3 & Out - Reaction to Sam Darnold & Seahawks DOMINATING Commanders on SNF + NFL Week 9

Former NFL scout John Middlekauff is reacting LIVE immediately following the Week 9 Sunday Night Football matchup between Sam Darnold & the Seattle Seahawks vs. Jayden Daniels & the Washington Commanders. John kicks off by reacting to Commanders QB Jayden Daniels arm injury suffered late in the 4th quarter in a loss to Sam Darnold & the Seahawks. John then gives flowers to Seahawks general manager John Schnieder for putting together an elite team.

John then reacts to Josh Allen and Buffalo Bills win vs. Patrick Mahomes & the Kansas City Chiefs. Next, John reacts to the Minnesota Vikings win vs. the Detroit Lions and their young QB JJ McCarthy's performance. Following that, John reacts to the Pittsburgh Steelers "must-win" game vs. the Indianapolis Colts and the defense's performance. Next, John reacts to Chicago Bears QB Caleb Williams performance vs. the Cincinnati Bengals & debates if the Green Bay Packers are a serious team after their loss to the Carolina Panthers. John also offers some quick thoughts on the Denver Broncos win vs. the Houston Texans.

John then reacts to a crazy College Football Week 10 slate, including USC's win vs. Nebraska and Oklahoma's win over Tennessee. John then explains why he believes that Arizona State head coach Kenny Dillingham should be a hot candidate for head coach openings. John then reacts to Miami QB Carson Beck's press conference, and wraps up by previewing the Sunday Night Football matchup between the Arizona Cardinals vs. Dak Prescott & the Dallas Cowboys. 

04:15 - Seahawks-Commanders

18:43 - Seattle Seahawks GM John Schnieder

26:40 - Chiefs-Bills

31:13 - Vikings-Lions

32:51 - Colts-Steelers

36:26 - Bears-Bengals

40:17 - Panthers-Packers

43:35 - Broncos-Texans

45:14 - CFB Week 10

49:14 - Arizona State head coach Kenny Dillingham

52:42 - Miami QB Carson Beck

55:05 - Hard Rock Bet MNF: Cardinals-Cowboys

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
What is going on everybody? Hopefully everyone's enjoying November. And
if you're Sam Darnald, you probably have a massive smile
in your face because everyone now considers you an awesome player.
And if you're Jade and Daniels. While I'm recording this,
I don't have any new information. You're probably in some
pain because your elbow was pointing the wrong way. So

(00:37):
Jaden Daniels gets injured, Seattle rolls Donald's contract, and John
Schneider the job he's done. Will dive into that. A
lot of other stuff going on in the NFL, from
JJ McCarthy game winning pass through a couple of touchdowns
to Green Bay what was that? Lions get worked, The

(00:59):
Chiefs lose again to the Bills, So we'll fly around
the NFL. I obviously record a podcast with Colin as
well on right after the Chiefs Bills game, and yeah,
we'll talk a little college football to go along to
finish it out. But other than that, you guys know

(01:21):
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Today I'm excited, Well, actually I'm not because we just
saw a devastating injury and that was that was pretty devastating.
I'm excited because it was a great day in a
much more entertaining day of NFL football than last week.
In the last it feels like the last couple weeks.
Maybe it was just we had better matchups regardless, start

(02:59):
to finish, much more entertaining game. I do want to
start with the way that thing essentially ended, and it
was with Jaden Daniels elbow pointing the other way. Not
a doctor, just a state school kid with a couple
meaningless degrees in my closet. But I've been around football
long enough to know that wasn't good and that probably

(03:20):
hurt a lot, and that really sucks. But they are
gonna be people, I'm sure over the next twenty four hours.
And if you're listening to this, maybe if you've heard
on other shows or television shows, what was dan Quinn
doing still having Jaden Daniels in the game. They're down
thirty eight to seven for those of you that aren't
math majors. You could have three touchdowns and three extra points.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
And still be down a touchdown. So it was the
fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
They were not coming back. They had no chance. Why
is he in the game? I would say one thing
the NFL consistently does unlike basketball, where when you're getting
blown out, you don't put your star orders back in
the game. When they come out in the third quarter
for the fourth quarter, they sit, You play your scrubs,
and you play out the game. Baseball is a great example.

(04:09):
Obviously in the playoffs, the leverage of the of the pitchers,
you're quick to go to the bullpen. But even in
the regular season, regardless of the time of the year,
if I have a pitcher who is just getting shelled
and we're down seven, eight, nine, ten runs, I'm yanking
him out. We don't just let him sit in there
and take in the misery, regardless of my situation with injuries.

(04:34):
Once there's a certain amount of runs on the board.
That's not really the way football works. Because even the
drive before when they were up thirty eight to seven,
I thought to myself, I wonder if they're gonna yank
Sam Darnold out of this game, and the.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Answer is they did not.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
I personally would have the backup in That's not really
how football coaches think. Even if when something catastrophic happens,
like potentially with Jaden Daniels tonight, which ca it can't
really be catastrophic because it's not a lower body injury
and it's not his throwing arm. So even if it is,
you know, he misses the rest of the season, you

(05:11):
would have chose that body part over the right arm
or either leg for a quote unquote major injury. But
it's gonna come up constantly wise in the game. And
the answer is because they're just always in the game.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Now.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I'm also of the new school belief is do we
just always have to do something because that's the way
we've always done it, And the answer should always be
hell no, we should always look to change. But in football,
it is very, very difficult for the starter to get
pulled in these games.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
I e.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Seattle, who just had their starting quarterback in who's dominating
the league right now, in a game that they were
up you know, three almost four scores, So I'm gonna
give them, I guess technically four scores. If you're not
counting extra points. I'm gonna give them some grace and
under standing of why they're doing it. That being said,

(06:03):
it's awful and Washington is having one of the worst
seasons coming off a great season I can ever remember.
I mean, their team just looks hideous, and it's one thing.
It's like, oh, they've had a lot of injuries. They've
had some, but their defense just looks legitimately slow and
big picture, maybe it helps, especially if Jaden can't play,

(06:23):
to end up going five wins, because this is not
the NBA. They're not trying to lose any of these games.
They are three and six and they're literally doing everything possible,
working ninety hour weeks as a coaching staff, players busting
their ass to try to win games, so that all
their effort like that, they're not trying to have this record.
But like you watch their team, they're the oldest in

(06:45):
the NFL. Now to me that when you say that
out loud, like what's their average is thirty seven, It's
it's not that different, you know, the oldest team from
the youngest team. All these guys are between twenty five
and twenty seven on the averages. But regardless they fall
under the category of oldest team in the NFL. But
they have to get a better defense, and they got

(07:05):
to find a way to keep Jadan Daniels healthy. It's
pretty simple now. The one thing with Jayden that you
would say is, like you watch Sam Darnold's resurrection, his
style is pretty easy to see why it works. Right,
He's a pocket quarterback who has mobility. He's a very
modern pocket quarterback.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
He's a guy that can move, but he wants to throw.
But he doesn't put himself in that many compromising situations.
And the way that you run an offense for Jayden Daniels,
whether you're up thirty eight to seven or the games
tied at twenty, he is going to be in situations,
even though he's proven last year to be an excellent
pocket passer because of his legs being a huge threat,

(07:45):
like he gets in some compromise situations. What happened to
night It was on a ball that he was running
with and a linebacker did what slammed his asid into
the ground. Why is the NFL and those guys are
all fast, physical and violent on the other side of
the field, a specially Seattle. So I just I'm not
going to crush them for having them in the game.

(08:05):
It's just part of the way the league works, especially
at the quarterback position. It's very rare that they get
pulled in those situations, even though we can all agree
it's kind of stupid and we should change. But man,
this season, I think now, if you're just hoping best cases,
you just keep losing games and you get a really

(08:26):
high pick and you're able to draft impact players. Maybe
you get a top six to seven pick and all
of a sudden you get one of the best pass
rushers in the draft you does really need. And maybe
with your second round pick you take another defensive player,
and then immediately your defense is faster and more physical.
Because ultimately, offensively, I think you're gonna be fine with

(08:49):
the play caller, the quarterback being able to find guys
on your offense, you know, in terms of drafting and
low price free.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Agents like that, that's the least of my work.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
But defensively, like, yeah, the exes and the o's matter.
But do you think Seattle's good on defense just because
Mike McDonald is a schematic genius?

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Pretty sure? I look around.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
It's like they got dudes, they got multiple guys on
the defensive lines, like I want that.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
I was just talking before we hit record.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
I'm like, Leonard Williams looks like Trent Williams play a
defensive line running around when he was thirty years old.
I mean that, you talk about a physical freak all
their dbs and I want to transition into that. The
craziest part about the Sam Donald contract is in the NFL,

(09:39):
like a guy that could be a pro bowler at
quarterback does not hit free agency when they're at a
point to get a multi year contract, right like Sam
Donald last year or Daniel Jones this year. There are
the guys that are bridge quarterbacks who resurrect their career,
But most guys that get one hundred and one hundred

(10:00):
and fifty two hundred million dollar contract at quarterback are
guys that are on teams that drafted them.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Now we can.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Agree to disagree for the non Mahomes Allen Lamar Jackson
kind of that kind of crew. Everyone else we hotly
debate their contract. Jordan Love, Dak Prescott, Brock Purdy. You
just go around the league, right, Jalen Hurts, you name it.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
We're all argue.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
But that team has drafted that player. They know him
really well and they want to keep him to what
you name it. It's pretty rare that a guy like
kirk Cousins is on the free agent market and the
Atlanta Falcons gave him four years, one hundred and eighty
million dollars and one hundred million technically ninety million dollars guaranteed.
But because he was on the roster again, he's gonna
have two years, one hundred million dollar contract from the

(10:49):
Atlanta Falcons. That's what kirk.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Cousins has got.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
One hundred million dollars in two years from them. So
that was kind of of a guy that you think.
Now it turns out he was shot the Achilles. He's
never been the same and it'll never be the same.
His career was over, but they thought like this guy
could be a fringe Pro Bowl guy. That was the
going rate. Yet, Sam Donald, the stink of those last
two games was so bad. It's like, yeah, you had
two bad games. One was horrendous against the Lions. The Rams,

(11:16):
a lot of things went wrong kind of got pinned
on him. I had no problem putting the Lions game
on him. I've seen Peyton Manning throw a bunch of
picks in a playoff game against New England. Like, I've
seen Tom Brady have a bad playoff game. We've seen
Aaron Rodgers shit the bed in playoff moments, right, We've
seen it all over the league. Happen to a lot
of guys. Welcome to the NFL. So and I'm not

(11:37):
saying Sam Donald is Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, or Tom
Brady by any means, but my point is because his
sample size was just last season, everyone was like, see,
that's actually what he is. Everything that we saw for
the majority of the season, outlier the last two games,
that's Sam Darnal. And then I've watched Sam Donald this
year just look like the Sam Donald that we saw

(11:58):
last year. And maybe he's just a good player. But
Sam Donald's got a three year contract for one hundred
million dollars and fifty five million dollars guaranteed. That is
that is insane. I mean, think about the wide receivers
in the NFL, Brandon Aiyuk, Terry mcclaurin, you start T Higgins.
All these guys went healthy, really good players. But a quarterback,

(12:22):
which we know is infinitely more important than any other
position on offense, left tackle, wide receiver, and these guys
are making thirty thirty five million dollars all over the league.
Yet if you get a good quarterback, whether that's a
rookie or whether that's a fifteenth year guy, if he's
playing at a Pro Bowl level, your team is a
lock to win double dig games. It's borderline impossible. Joe
Burrow last year had to have one of the worst

(12:44):
defenses we've ever seen, and he still got him in
nine wins, right because he was that good and his
defense couldn't stop mir or you. So when you look
at the Sam Donald contract, it is a chance in
just true free agency. When you factor in the position quarterback,
which is so much more more important than every other position,
it's got to go down early on through half of sea.

(13:05):
He's like one of the more impressive contracts you'll ever see,
and kind of crazy looking back, is like, how is
his market not better? Like if everyone knew Sam Donald
was going to be this good, how many teams that
didn't sniff around on him would have been all over
the guy? How would you even argue that that's not
a good idea?

Speaker 1 (13:23):
And it also shows.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
You is Sam Donald with chaotic poorly coached organizations, the Jets, Carolina,
everyone laughed at him. Then he got with stable organizations
with good offensive coordinators, the Niners, Kyle, the Vikings, Kevin O'Connell,
and now Seattle and a Kubiak and Mike McDonald and

(13:45):
look for the last two and a half years, all
everyone has said that has been around Sam Donald, Niners,
Vikings and now Seattle is just like, this guy's a stut.
What is going on here? How did everyone fuck this up?
And it's just as a fan of football, and obviously
as a West Coast used to be the Pac twelve,

(14:07):
I always kind of pull for those guys from those programs.
Sales have been an easy guy to pull for because
of how much everyone liked the guy. I was on
me and Colin got into a conversation tonight. He thought,
you know, he's clearly a Stafford guy. Could Stafford jump
Rogers if he wins another Super Bowl and like the
all time pantheon, I think it would be hard. I mean,

(14:30):
I truly believe Rogers, like ten year run with the Packers,
one of the best players I've ever seen any sport.
Stafford's damn good. But even if he wins one more
Super Bowl than Aaron. I think Aaron's career was better.
Now there are variables.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
That come into play.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
What if the Matt Stafford, drafted out of Georgia six
foot two and a half, two hundred and thirty pounds,
rocket arm, smart, high character, tough motherfucker gets drafted by
the Packers, what's his career look like? Each part of football, right,
so much of it is out of our control. Yet
in so many other aspects of life, like if you

(15:07):
don't like where you work, you can't quit, you can
go do something else. If you don't like your girlfriend
or she doesn't like you, or your wife or whatever,
like you guys can break up.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
You guys can get.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
A fresh start, you can go meet someone else, you
can go find another job. But as a quarterback, when
I get drafted, like especially if I'm a really good prospect,
I get drafted allions right, And the best thing that
ever happened to Aaron Rodgers was Mike Nolan in the
forty nine Ers chose Alex Smith and not Aaron Rodgers.
And then Aaron Rodgers ended up with the Green Bay Packers,

(15:40):
and twenty plus years later he's known as one of
the greatest players of all time changed the course of
his life. Where Matt Stafford was with the biggest joke
franchise probably like in modern day NFL history, some of
these other franchises recently have thrown their hat in the ring,
but like that version of the Lions was a joke,
say it all the time. Best two players franchise history
both quit at thirty Barry Sanders, Calvin Johnson.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
I'm done.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
It's one thing one guy happens. Patrick Willis quit early.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Listen. Sometimes you just.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
You're injured, you're over it, you're rich, you're just team sucks.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
You just had enough two guys.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
It's kind of a trend. So I just think Sam
Donald it might. But ultimately the thing with Stafford is,
like you see him in LA there is no disputing
if he had had a Sean McVay his entire career,
probably talking about him as one of the great players
of all time. I don't even think that's really debatable. Now,
Sam Donald's lucky, like he didn't change get the right

(16:32):
guy at thirty six. This isn't Rich Gannon, who I
think resurrected his career like mid to late thirties, right,
I think like thirty three ish he got with Gruden
Al Davis and the Raiders had like the great three
or four year run of his career, won.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
An NFL MVP.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
I bet he's always said I'm sure he said this publicly.
Imagine if that would have happened to me at twenty six, right,
Imagine if I would have got that shot at twenty
four to twenty five years old. Sam Donald's luck he
gets it at what twenty seven, twenty eight with a
real organization, with a real plan, with a real coach

(17:08):
and a superstar GM. Now, I just want to give
this guy. We spent a lot of time and I'm
guilty of this, you know, giving coaches reach around telling
them how great they are, and you know how big
of an impact they have. Sometimes gms fly under the
radar a little bit, not name Howie Roseman who makes
a trade every other week. I think the run John
Schneider's on is underappreciated right now. Obviously the Sam Darnold

(17:32):
for Gino Smith swap out speaks for himself. That's a
that's a home run, you know into the third level
like that, that's a bomb. But there was a play
tonight where Leonard Williams was just chasing, just chasing. I
think he ended up kind of you know, making probably
like half a tackle.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Other guys were in on it, but you just saw
him move.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
And I was thinking, once upon a time when I
was doing local radio, the big argument was like who
should the Raiders take a Marii Cooper or Leonard Williams.
And Reggie McKenzie, the general manager at the time, ended
up going with Amary Cooper, which looked really smart for
a long period of time. And the reason they didn't
was because Leonard Williams's shoulder in the pre draft process

(18:15):
a lot of question marks.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Would he need surgery? Would he not?

Speaker 2 (18:18):
One guy goes to the Jets, the other guy goes
to like the up and coming Raiders at the time.
Who Derek Carr Michael Crabtree has just a great start
to his career. I think, like two months ago, Mark
Cooper just quit, just retired, just over football. I'm watching
Leonard Williams a decade later, still play like he's trying

(18:39):
to earn a contract. Guy looks like a monster. John
Schneider traded a second round pick for Leonard Williams at
twenty nine years old, that takes balls, but not only
does that move take balls to make I mean older
player for pick forty seven, Like we know he's pretty good,
but that's that's pretty risky. Leonard Williams looks like one

(18:59):
of the best vsive lineman in the league.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
That trade looks genius.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
And then you just look around like Jackson Smith. He
I think he ended up I don't know how many
yards he ended up with, but I'm pretty sure this
season he is over a one thousand yards and.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Eight nineteen. I don't think this is updated.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Maybe he's not over a thousand yards yet he was
like seventy yards short during that game. He had another
one hundred yard game, which breaks the Seattle record for
most one hundred yard games in a season.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
He looks like Jerry Rice and you picked him at
pick twenty.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
And this is where if I am Jason Light when
I went into this draft, like on the fence about him,
I'm like, well, if I think this guy is like
Jackson Smith, I take this.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Guy at four.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Let alone pick you know twenty one. So I just
think Jackson Smith here's the thing he punted on DK
this offseason, who is probably one of his best draft
picks of his career, second round guy, twenty seven touchdowns
through three years. I mean, there is no disputing DK's
a hit, and then is able to trade him for

(20:08):
his third contract for a second rounder to basically feature
a guy who's just better and more consistent and less
of a boom er bus guy. And then there are
a ton of other guys, both running backs, Kenneth Walker,
charbona good players. You saw a royal catch touchdown tonight,
ton of dudes on defense that he's either drafted or
acquired with trades. But the most impressive thing he did.

(20:32):
Because so much of what we talk about defining an
NFL general manager is the draft, the draft, the draft,
the draft. And I'm guilty of this too. It's the
thing that we put the most pressure on a GM
to do crush the draft. That job is so much
bigger than that. I mean, how many moves is Howie
Roseman made since like September one, He's constantly making little trades,

(20:56):
I mean constantly, right, And as a GM, that's a
huge part of your job. Free agency, making trades, Leonard
Williams signing Sam Darnold, getting rid of Gino, all that
falls on you. But the most important thing you can do,
not on the field and probably ever in your career
is to hire the coach. And when John originally got hired,

(21:16):
and he told this story, like Pete Carroll essentially hired
John Schneider, Well, once they fired Pete, it was John's
job to fire or hire the next head coach. And
I think it's easy for any coach or excuse me,
any general manager to lean on an offensive guy. No,
we got Geno, Well, we're gonna need to find another quarterback,

(21:38):
and we want to find a young offensive guy. Look
at my division, I see Sean McVeigh and Kyle Shanahan,
who a big reason Pete got fired is because of
those two guys. So if I would have done everything
possible to like force feed an offensive guy, wouldn't have
blamed him. But he's like, you know what, I'm just
gonna take the best coach available. And Mike McDonald does

(22:00):
a stud and that coaching. I mean last year they tried.
They went with Ryan Grubb, who's at Alabama and gonna
probably be one of, if not the coordinators of the year,
and it just didn't work out. He'd never been an
NFL guy, and they sent him back to Alabama essentially,
and they hired Kubiak, who looks like one of the
best coordinators in the NFL right now. So you have

(22:20):
a head coach who's the defensive coordinator, who's elite at
his job, and you got Kubiak, who clearly is a
pretty high end offensive coordinator who I don't know is
just learned from Mike Shanahan, Gary Kubiak and Kyle Shanahan,
so kind of knows what he's doing. And I'm just
the Seattle Seahawks man. The NFC West at the top
is just really good. You know, it's technically a three

(22:42):
horse race right now, with the forty nine ers the
Rams in Seattle, having the forty nine ers beat Seattle
in the Rams. The forty nine ers have too many
injuries today. It looks like they lost their first round pick,
Michael Williams, the big kind of hybrid defensive lineman from
joy Or just to an ACL. So that would mean
they lost Fred Warner to a broken foot, They lost

(23:05):
Nick Bosa to an ACL, and they lost their first
round pick pass rusher, slash run defender to ACL. You
just they're at the point now you just don't overcome
that now, I still think the forty nine ers with
their schedule, can get to nine to ten wins and
be the seventh seed. But I think the Rams in Seattle,
and they play the Rams this week, and you know,

(23:25):
the forty nine ers are gonna have no business beating
them with the roster they're rolling out now. Mac Jones
has done a commendable job, and it's it's been a
coaching clinic by Kyle Shanahan and Robert sal to be
at six and three with the roster they're rolling out.
I mean, look at the Giants, who essentially had the
same thing. A bunch of injured guys, young guy quarterback,
random guys playing wide receiver and can't function at all.

(23:47):
So it's been commendable.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
But I I.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Just think Seattle and the Rams, and honestly, I might
put my money on Seattle. They feel a little bit
more explosive just as a team now are obviously pretty good,
but Seattle five to one. I always thought preseason felt
like something was off about those odds, something was really
off that they've been winning double digit games. If Sam

(24:12):
Darnald and a lot of it was the unknown at quarterback,
well you watch him.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
I mean, he's.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
I mean, like, who are the Pro Bowl guys in
the NFC? Baker, Jalen Hurts is having a good year,
Stafford Donald. This is the level we're talking that the
quarterback play in the NFC. When you when you look
at the guys that are gonna make the playoffs, Baker Mayfield,
Jalen Hurts, Matt Stafford, Sam Donald, mac Jones, Brock Purty

(24:41):
like it's who am I leaving out? Jordan Love, Jared
Goff gotta be a good quarterback. So it might not
be Mahomes and Josh Allen like the all time great
Hall of Famers, but it's it's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
So congrats to Seattle. Okay.

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Speaker 1 (26:51):
Overarching theme.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
To me, it can't truly be a rivalry until one
team wins one of the men eating full games. And
this does have a chance to be a great NFL rivalry, right,
But I think we have seen matchups definitely. I'll just
go in my life, like when you close your eyes,
do you think Michael Jordan, like, who were his rivals?
You would say, like, oh, Patrick Ewings Knicks and Reggie

(27:17):
Miller's Pacers. Well, last time I checked, whenever they would
play those teams, Michael's team would win. So it's like, yeah,
the games were really good and it was entertaining, but
we act like this was a back and forth situation.
It was like, no, it was kind of one sided, right,
Like people like Tiger and Phil. No, Phil never be Tiger, Like,

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whenever they were matched up, Tiger dominated him. Now, they
both had a lot of individual success separate from each other,
but whenever it mattered and they were both in the mix,
Tiger won, so they were contemporaries. They both stacked up
crazy accomplishments, obviously Tiger more than one of the other,
and made a lot of money, but they were not rivals.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Part of Tiger's mystique. He didn't have a rival.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
That's what made Tom Brady pretty interesting, is like, it's
gonna be Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Well, trust me
as someone that loved Peyton Manning and junior high and
early on in college, it was a one sided thing.
The Patriots owned Peyton Manning and the Colts they couldn't
beat him until two thousand and six, and that's when
it officially became a rivalry.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
It's like the.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yankees Red Sox. It's a great rivalry, but it felt
pretty one sided. It felt like, yeah, the Yankees always
won championships and the Red Sox never did until two
thousand and four. And I think sometimes you need a
moment to happen when it has to happen in January.
And there's no disputing that the Bills have played the
Chiefs really well, and this matchup through nine games over

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the last six years or whatever has been very entertaining
to watch. But when We've beat you five times and
they're all regular season games, and you've beat us four
times and they're all in the playoffs. It's hard to
put much validity in those five wins because today I
thought the Bills kind of worked the Chiefs. They dominated

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that game.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
They were in complete.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Control, They were up two scores in the fourth quarter.
It took a fourth and seventeen, which, of course Andy
has a play to get a guy wide open on
a fourth and fucking seventeen, But it took that to
even get them to be a one score game late
in the fourth quarter, like the Chiefs kind of got manhandled,
which again they would say this happened to was before
the regular season. We have lost these guys literally, I

(29:27):
think five straight years. But is there any person that
would bet on the Bills to beat them in the
playoffs now? Hopefully, just as a lover of sports and
as a lover of legacies and just the how we
talk about these guys in historical contexts, I want this
to be meaningful and I want Josh and the Bills

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to take them down. But they have to for this
game to actually mean something, because right now, it's like, Okay,
they beat them, again in the regular season. We've seen
that song and dance.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
And over and over again.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
And listen, if the Bills played the Chiefs like they
do all these other teams, they would never lose, They
would never lose a game. But I just a couple
weeks ago, we watched the Bills playing the Falcons, Like,
what's going on? Well, if they played this Chiefs game
against the Atlanta Falcons, they win by twenty points, So
clearly the Bills can get up for Kansas City. But

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and they needed this game because the Patriots had won
all of a sudden, It's like we don't have a
lead where we'd be down a game and they've already
beat us. We'd be talking like what is going on
with the Bills?

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Today was big for them.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
You gain some momentum, you know, Kansas City. Now you
get a bye week, you're five, and you know five
and four, it's out the end of the world by
any means, but uh, it's gonna be really difficult to
win the division. But at the end of the day,
like you're not afraid to go on the road and
you know, be a six seed, but if you're the Bills,
like you're gonna have to get the monkey off your
back if you ever want to be taken seriously as

(30:59):
like the team that we want you to be, like
a super Bowl contender, Like you're a super Bowl contender
because you're always good and have a lot of wins.
But whenever you play this team when it matters, it
doesn't go your way. As I'm rooting for that to happen.
I want to see their Peyton Manning No. Six come
back against Kansas City. It's what would make this create

(31:21):
a rivalry because right now there's just there isn't one.
There's a regular season winning streak, which which is cool
and impressive to watch.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
A couple other things.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
I want to give some game balls out, I mean
some some of the defensive performances today. I can imagine
that Brian Flores on Wednesday night or Wednesday when he
got in front of his defensive unit and kind of
gave out the game plan preached all week and then
obviously the night before the game Saturday night, when he
probably gives it, gives like an impassioned thought on the

(31:51):
game before everyone breaks to go to bed. We got
to win this game. We can't put this on the
offense or this young quarterback. We need to step our
shit up and we're gonna play the game that we
played last year all the time and kick asden take names,
and they brought it from the jump. Now it turns
out JJ made some of the best plays of his career.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Obviously his career is pretty short.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
But multiple nice touchdown passes. The one to Jefferson first
TV of the game was fantastic. His touchdown run was nice.
I mean, obviously he's a good athlete and he had
the game winning pass, but the defensive effort and the
energy you could see Flores on the sideline like this
was this was a line in the sand game, like

(32:36):
we got a show. We lose this game, our season's over.
It's just pack it in. Let's just keep fighting for pride.
But we're not going to the playoffs, Like we're not
going anywhere. And they came out on the road against
the Lions, who coming into this game I would have said,
it's definitely a Super Bowl contender and kind of dominated them.

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I mean, really did took it to him on the road.
Flores and JJ McCarthy, they definitely deserve some game balls.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
I would say.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
The other guy is he's taken a lot of heat,
and you know Mike Tomlin takes a lot of heat too,
But like when it ever comes to scheme, people like, well,
Mike's just delegating Terrell Austin. We could have just elevated Flores.
There was a moment and I mentioned this to Colin.
The culture up seven to nothing and they're driving. It's

(33:30):
like fourteen plays. I think they had like ten plays
to gain like twenty yards. The drive was taken forever,
but they were just like, they'll probably kick a field
goal here. They have complete control of this game. It'll
be ten to nothing, and it don't feel like the
Steelers season is is gonna about to take a turn
for the worst. And it was the moment where you're like,
they're gonna lose this game, and all of a sudden,

(33:52):
this is when the Ravens really make their charge the
next couple weeks and we look up and the Steelers
just completely fell apart.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
And then TJ.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Will comes around the left edge and sacks the quarterback,
force the fumble and they get it and the Steelers
never look back. And I can't imagine Tomlin, Terrell Austin, Heyward, TJ.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Watt.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
This was it man, this was a kitchen sink game
for your defense that you're playing this offense that is
that looks like the ninety nine Rams. I mean, they're
just scoring at will, they're punting at a historically low clip,
they're running back. Looks like he's on a pace to
like match LT for the greatest fantasy performance of all time,
and like twenty eight touchdowns. It's like you're just really

(34:37):
about to get worked at home by Daniel Jones and
the Colts.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
And TJ.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Watt said, not so fast, my friend. And when I
pay guy one hundred million dollars a year the team captain,
sometimes I need you to just put my team, put
my organization on your back and say fuck it. We
might go down, but I'm gonna do something about this
if we do go down. And even JJ Watt, who
calls a ton of Steeler games, it's like, sometimes just
need your best player to make a play.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
And TJ didn't. It completely flip the game. And then
the entire unit started to dominate. I think you know
high Smith.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Had multiple multiple sacks. Uh Cam Hayward was flying around.
They had I think they sacked them five times. They
hit him a couple other times. They had a multiple
picks that caused multiple fumbles. I think they had five turnovers.
And it was just on like Donkey Kong, and they
were coming at him from every angle and they were
hitting Daniel Jones over and over and over again. And

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the reason the Steelers have lost the last couple of
weeks is because their pass rush has been non existent.
It really had. It's one thing on a Thursday night game.
It's another thing on a long, you know, ten day break.
They didn't have a sack of Jordan Love and they
started destroying him today and their best players at the

(35:53):
tone And sometimes sports isn't that complicated. Like whoever I'm
paying the most, I'm just in desperate need for him
to do something like you watch the Warriors sometimes like
shit's hitting the fan, Like hey Steph, just just figure
it out, heyo, Tani, Like I just need to hit
a couple of bombs today. We are struggling, you know,
And it happens all the time in other sports. It
happens all the time in football. And the Steelers were

(36:16):
their backs were against the wall, and TJ. Watt made sure,
honestly he was. He was the catalyst to get him going.
And offensively then that he doesn't have to do much.
And Rodgers has been a good, good player.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
For him, he has not. It's been the defense.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
And then the defense came to play today and made
plays after play after play.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
I would say, you know, I gave JJ a one.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
I would say this for Caleb sometimes the same thing
with JJ, Like I I can live with crappy plays,
you know, Caleb, sometimes it's this first read is not there.
He starts scrambling around and it just becomes like a
chaotic play that turns out to be nothing. If you're
gonna give me explosive down the field plays, touch down passes,
touchdown runs. He caught a touchdown today. It's like, I

(37:04):
can live with negatives if you're giving me a lot
of positives. I don't mind an interception in a game
if you average three touchdowns. You know, I just can't
live with no touchdowns. In turnovers, right, Patrick Mahomes, I
can't have you know, late second half turnovers that those
kill you. You can't overcome them, right and listen, he's he's

(37:26):
not an uncriticizable player. Like he made a pass today
that put his team in a compromised situation. He threw
it up way down the field to a really fast guy,
but triple coverage and it was a pick. It was
a devastating blow to their hopes of, you know, winning
that game. And you know, Kayleb Williams did not turn
the ball over day, but he also just made some

(37:47):
explosive plays. He does some things that make you scratch
your head. But there was a moment today where it's like, Okay,
we're playing the Bengals and it's your classic. We're gonna
need to score thirty five or forty points and can
we do it? And Ben Jonson and in his bag.
But Ben Johnson's been in his bag in some of
these games that they've lost. Today that wasn't the case.
So got to give a game ball to that offense

(38:08):
because they came through with some enormous plays. I mean,
a stat this pretty mind blowing. Is no team since
nineteen ninety six, pretty sure it was the ninety six
Giants has lost back to back games was scoring thirty
eight or more points. I mean, in the NFL, that's

(38:29):
that makes sense. It's pretty hard. I would bet if
we did a study of the last twenty years, if
you just score thirty eight points at what clip? Do
you win ninety five percent of games? I mean, on average,
how often does a team score thirty nine points right?

(38:50):
One percent of the time. I mean, you're winning games
such a high clip, and you watch today, it's like
they couldn't stop us soul And even when they scored
to take the lead late in the game, I went,
they left too much time on the clip and a
couple of plays later Lovelands going like seventy yards for
a touchdown, which was just.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Sometimes you need teams.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Like the Bengals that are just awesome watches. And I
don't even blame you know, some of these players in
the locker room after the game or being asked about
how crappy the defense is, like.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
What is Jabar Chase supposed to say?

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah, we just gotta keep up, keep working on our fundamentals,
just keep hammering home the scheme, keep up, keep working
hard in practice.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
We're pros. It's real, like they're terrible. I never have
a problem, you know.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
I bet the running back who also had like just
get off the fucking field was literally a quote, No Brown,
He's gonna get people like you can't you can't say
what like this happened back It happens one time. Keep
your mouth shot, Okay, happens back to back weeks. You
get an on side kick. Anytime you get an on

(39:57):
side kick and then score touchdown and still lose the game.
I saw I don't even know who it was, but
some big Bears fan online. So that went potentially from
the worst Bears loss of my entire life to one
of the most exhilarating wins in ninety seconds. I'm telling you,

(40:19):
today was if last week was a pretty big downer,
today was a pretty big upper.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
That was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Talk about a downer though I wasn't super locked into
this game. One it's Packers Panthers, doesn't exactly do it
for me. Two, I just assumed the Packers would win
even if they weren't super dialed in, like twenty three
to fifteen or something, and just win the game.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
And he kept looking up.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
It's like thirteen to six, thirteen to six. I remember
the halftime. I'm checking kind of the stat line. I'm like, God,
they're zero for four in the red zone, but they're
moving the ball.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
It will like what is going on? And all of
a sudden, the longer.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Win it's like this kind of has it's a little
different the way we got there, but kind of the
Browns packer game, it's like this is starting to feel weird.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Something's a little off here.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
And then you look up in the dust settles and
they lose the game. Now, the difference between the Browns
and the Panthers is like, Panthers are five and four,
so Browns are gonna win three games all season long.
The Panthers probably end up eight or nine wins like that.
They are respectable football team. But when you're playing the
Panthers at home and your coach comes out, which I
do respect, Like I don't think most coaches unless you

(41:36):
have little kids, which I would imagine Lafloor does's like
super dialed in for Halloween. Listen, I don't even like
Halloween really, right. I see some of like my friends
that I went to high school or college with, or
some of my wife's friends online, It's like I don't
have much in common with the person. Maybe I got
a change. I'm about to have a kid. I get
it's their super Bowl, so maybe I'll be wearing costumes.
But I haven't worn costumes. I never even did, Like.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
In high school. I never cared. But again, I'm not
one to judge.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
If you're wearing costumes, I'd probably be a huge hypocrite.
I'll be wearing costumes for the next decade with my children.
But if you're gonna go to the floor and say
you don't, I think he was literally asked what you know,
what you excited for Halloween, and he gave the answer like,
I don't give a shit about Halloween. I'm trying to
win a football game. If you're gonna be tough football guy,

(42:24):
you then gotta win the game, and you can't lose
the game. Especially when you look back, you're like, well
the Lions just lost. We'd be in the driver's seat
to win this division. It's like we just lost to
the Panthers. We tied the Cowboys. So every time that
I and I have a guy with a future just
Super Bowl appearance for the Packers, I do not feel good.
He can't trust him, he can't trust them. And then

(42:46):
on top of that, you lose Tucker Kraft, who is.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I don't even know how old he is.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
My guest would be twenty four to twenty five. Gotta
be at his age range. One of the best players
in the league. Definitely one of the best up and
coming players in the league. So if he tore acl
that that is a that's a devastating loss. Now, they
did get a couple of weeks ago Watson backs of
their wide receiver rooms a little deeper, but Tucker Craft
is his chemistry with with the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
It's just been so awesome. So that's just I just
don't think you're sleeping much. I really don't. I don't
know if you're the Packers, like how you how you sleep?
You know, I don't.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
And sometimes there are those games like that's one of
those that it's like, I just you're not gonna feel
good about this till, like you Wednesday. It's gonna be
a miserable office. I've been in some miserable offices over
the years. You know, for a couple of days after
a bad loss, that one will be up there.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
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Speaker 1 (44:20):
Maybe not, but.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
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get out of here. I me and Colin talked a
lot about the Denver Houston game. I guess my only
quick thoughts on that is bo Knicks can look just
horrendous for just such long stretches and then can make
one throw. You're like, ah, looks really good. So they
gotta find a way if they because now we're at

(45:55):
the point where, especially if they beat the Raiders on
Thursday night, the eight and two, the Broncos are gonna
end up with thirteen or fourteen wins, pretty good chance
they end up winning the division.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
So it's all gonna be.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
About like how far are you gonna go in the playoffs.
You cannot go far in the playoffs with your quarterback
being this inconsistent, And I do think they have to
find a way. And I know he hit a couple
of big passes today to just be more consistent in
the passing game, in the short intermediate game, and he
makes some throws where you're like, that is just horrendous.
But I will say this about bo Nicks. You saw

(46:29):
it today with JJ, you saw it with Caleb. These
guys show them some metal toughness. And in the Houston
Texans defense is no joke. That unit is legit. Will
Anderson's probably one of my favorite young players in the league.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
He is a badass.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
But some of these guys he's missing are wide open.
They're not all blanketed like dionn or revis Or in
their hip pocket. I mean, some of these guys are open.
If you can just complete the ball. You gotta find
a way to complete the ball because the Broncos are
just pulling game out of you know what. But hey,
you look up. If we saw last year the Chiefs
one fifteen, about thirteen of them were had no business winning,

(47:08):
and all of a sudden they're in the Super Bowl.
So any means necessary. Okay, a couple quick things on college. Uh,
the night's late last night was awesome, and I miss
more traditional matchups in theory. Look I missed the PAC twelve.
I missed the Big Twelve with Oklahoma and Texas, right,

(47:31):
I missed some of the sanctity of what the Big
Ten used to look like before Maryland and Rutgers and
some of these teams joined Nebraska. But it is what
it is and we're never going back. So when you
turn on USC at Nebraska or Oklahoma at Tennessee, I
googled it, I'm like, uh, what your Tennessee go into

(47:52):
the SEC. They were an original member. They originally started
like the Southern Conference back in like either the late
eighteen hundred or the early nineteen hundreds. And when I
think of Oklahoma, I think of them playing Texas, Texas
A and m pre SEC, you know, up through the
Kansas States, the the you know, the.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Kind of that region.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
And now they're playing Ole Miss in Tennessee and Bama
and LSU and Georgia and these matchups are awesome. So
we do get better matchups than we used to get.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
So I just embrace it. And I was glued.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
I thought the Oklahoma Tennessee game not the best played
offensive game you'll ever see. I mean, the Tennessee quarterback
was getting obliterated by Oakland's. Oklahoma's defense through a ton
of interceptions. I mean it was all over the map
and they were still right in that game. John Mattier
did not play well for periods of time in that game,

(48:52):
made some big plays late, but that atmosphere was awesome. Oklahoma, now,
you know, got to be feeling pretty good about themselves.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Their defense is real. I mean they got dudes.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Even lank Kiffit said last week they might have one
of the best players in the country on that defense.
The pass rush is awesome. All their linebackers fly around,
dbs make plays on the ball. It was just a
very very entertaining game to watch. And then Nebraska and
USC it was like one big topic right now is

(49:23):
like LSU's governor came out and I think, you know,
people are trying to push to the Pete Damils of
the world, like we're gonna change the way we write
these contracts. I doubt it because it's like, Okay, if
you want me to come to LSU, or you want
me to come to Penn State, Like if I'm Matt Ruhle, well,
I have a job and they like me and they

(49:45):
will keep paying me to come. So if you to
get me to come, You're gonna have to incentivize me
to come. That's been a huge part of these buyouts. Right,
It's like, why did Lincoln Riley or Brian Kelly or
some of these guys both Fisher's contract look like they
look because those guys are at Oklahoma, Notre Dame Florida State.

(50:08):
Lane Kiffin does not need to leave Ole miss Right.
Matt Ruhle, Nebraska just gave him a two year, like
thirty million dollar extension. He doesn't need to leave. So
it's like, okay, No, It's the most powerful thing you'll
ever be told in your entire life, from when you're
a little kid to when you start dating girls to
when you try to do business deals. No, not interested

(50:32):
if you really want whatever the other person has to sell,
whether that's you know, trying to get a date, trying
to get a job, right, try to you know, talk
to your children. No drives you nuts. And that creates
a lot of these markets that go nuts. Is because
those people whoever you're courting to be your coach, their

(50:54):
first statement is often no, not interested, even if they are,
and it's going to be fascinating.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Everyone keeps talking about the biots are dead. Biots are dead.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
We'll see because a lot of these guys do not
need to leave their job.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Let's use this as an example.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Kenny Dillingham here at Arizona State, the program he took
over from HERM Edwards. Some of these articles that are
coming out about Brian Kelly that he does not know
the names of some of his players. I know for
a fact HERM. Edwards didn't know the name of a
lot of his players. The program was an embarrassment, it
was a joke. It was I'd argue, untouchable. If you

(51:34):
were a coach with any options, ASU would be the
last job you would want. And it's not like Kenny
Dillingham had that many options. He wanted to become a
head coach. He else is from here. He went to
Chaperol High School, he went to Arizona State and started
his coaching career. That obviously sended him to bringing him
back in his mid to early thirties to be the
head coach. Well, you know, we talk a lot about

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like some of these jobs. Can you hire a guy
without experience at the highest level in the Power four
When you take a guy from a smaller school, it's
a huge jump, and there really isn't parallels to when
you're coaching in twenty twenty five at Boise State, at Tulane,
at San Diego State, as there would be at LSU
or Penn State.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Beside football plays.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
And the sport played within the confines of a football field,
and the amount of guys you could have on a
team and on the field at one time, the business
of paying coaches, of keeping players, and then out that
none of it translates hiring a general manager and his
entire staff. So I would always try to find a
guy from a Power four conference, even if obviously Arizona

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State doesn't have that much in common with LSU football.
This guy has still been playing people. Last year he
made the playoffs. What Kenny Dillingham has done is really remarkable.
And yesterday he beat Matt Campbell, who most people have
said is like one of the top candidates for like
seven straight years, for the second straight year. But this
time he did it without his starting quarterback and his

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best NFL prospect the wide receiver and a starting quarterback
ran for like almost two hundred and fifty yards because
a couple of weeks ago when he had to start
the backup who had to start against Iowa State. He
realized he can't throw, but he can run. So we
changed the entire offense around this guy to run the ball,
and it worked.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
In Arizona State won.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
So I'm watching a young, energetic guy who's passionate, who cares,
who took a shit sandwich and turned into a pretty
good chicken salad on a soured oh bun.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
That's gonna work. Now.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Is Kenny Dillingham gonna leave Arizona State?

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Maybe not. I played golf with the guy a couple
weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
He's a big booster who said he lives on the
same street as his sisters and his parents are right
down the street. Like it's very family friendly, great place
to live. But I know this, if I'm Penn State,
if I'm LSU, if I'm Florida, I'm all over this
guy because he's proving he can win at the power four,
so the expectation is pretty high. He's playing other NFL players,

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other coaches that are making a ton, other rosters that
have a lot of money, and he's beating them. He'd
beat Texas Tech earlier this year. They have a twenty
eight million dollars roster, So I just don't understand why,
you know, I understand why.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Lan Kiff is the top candidate.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
I could make the argument this guy should be number
two beside the non like Urban Meyer Nick Saban, Like
would I rather have if I'm LSU, Penn State or Florida?
Would I seriously rather have Kenny Dillingham or John Gruden?

Speaker 1 (54:31):
What are we talking about? Are we serious?

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Are we having a real conversation? And the answer would
be no. And last, but not least, Carson Beck. I
don't think there's any guy that to start the season
went WHOA, Maybe we were wrong, Maybe he's not that bad.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
In the first couple of weeks, like got Carson Beck
looks pretty good.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
And Miami was most would consider the top team in
the country. And Carson Beck look like an NFL player. Again,
maybe not the first overall pick, but a guy you
could take in the third round. Were last year I
thought he was an undraftable player. And then he lost
the game against Louisville and he immediately threw his wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Under the bus for running the wrong route.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Then a couple weeks later he loses another game to
SMU and more than likely knocks Miami out of the playoffs,
and he immediately throws the offensive coordinator under the bus
by saying that I don't call the plays. My job
is to just execute them. What the defense did was
pretty simple all game long. I don't think there's a

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guy in the country who, without getting in any trouble,
not being arrested, doing anything shady off the field, got
taken clearly off more.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Draft boards than last night.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Carson back maybe after the one time, like, hey, emotions
are high, new team, say something stupid, you're young, we
all regret it happens twice the month.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Give me a break.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Wouldn't touch this guy with a ten football regardless of
what you think about him as a player, if we're
just in agreement, like, yeah, he could be on an
NFL roster next year, he could be a backup quarterback
for five years, right, Okay, I don't want a guy
who's not a starter, who will throw the quarterback or
throw a wide receiver or throw a coach under the bus,
like that's his first inclination. Which again, sometimes when you

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say it's on me or my responsibility or I screwed up,
you don't even mean it.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
It's just what you say.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
It's like it's like the fakest thing that we all
agree with, Like, yeah, it's not even your fault, but
we get it.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
He can't even do that.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
He couldn't just back, yeah, we screwed up. He can
you can even say we screwed up. No, he's bat Yeah,
it's not my fault. Coach wide receiver, Like that's that's
the one position where it's like, throw his name tag
into the trash because that guy's taking himself immediately off
draft boards, just in press conferences alone. Have a great night, audios,

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and uh let's have a week. Oh yeah, before we
get out of here, I and I do got to
tell you about my friends at hard Rock bet Monday
Night Football, which we'll dive into in our reaction to
Cardinals Cowboys, because I think we'll probably learn more with
with Troy talking about Kyler, like the Kyler Murray just

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get benched, because that's kind of what we all think
just happened. And I'm sure it'll be talked about tomorrow,
which I think we all believe that's the case, but
we'll find out tomorrow. Jacoby Brissett is the starter, and
when he started, it's pretty clear. The Cardinals have been
pretty good. They easily could have beat the Colts a
couple weeks ago. They probably should have beat the Green

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Bay Packers. Like, he's played well and the Cowboys defense
is not good, So you're giving me a field goal
for Jacoby Brissett to go on the road with the Cardinals.
I know Dak and the Cowboys offense is good, but
I think I could see this being like a one
point game and Jacoby throwing multiple touchdowns. So give me

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the Cardinals plus three tomorrow in Dallas. The volume mm
hmm