3 & Out - Saquon & the Philadelphia Eagles Take Down the Commanders, Fugazi Friday, Stuckey joins the pod - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
Happy Fugazi Friday? Whereas my man big Dom says fugazi

(00:27):
And that's a little bit. What Washington's offense was tonight
was not good. But the Eagles Saquon Barkley, Nick Siriani
moved to eight and two, and uh, man, they got
a lot of firepower. Starts with Saquon. Though Saquon and
Vic FANGI are figuring out the Eagles their kicker could

(00:47):
make some kicks tonight might not have been close. We'll
dive into the game. You know, the Commanders. I have
a lot of respect for dan Quinn and what he's
done because I don't know if most of you, including myself,
could name any eyes on their defense, but they play
really hard offense. Obviously, we'll dive into Jaden. He looks,
he looks hurt, he doesn't. He doesn't look nearly as

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good as he did early in the season. Obviously, the
running element to his game is kind of non existent,
which is a problem for them, but big win for
the Eagles. Uh, We'll dive into some a couple other things. Obviously,
we got some big game Steelers Ravens Bill's Chiefs stuck,
you will join us, We'll do a little Fugazi Friday

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I should start here. Let's just go big picture on
the Birds. It was clear this offseason we are never
going to get an off season hard knocks like we
got with the Giants, but the moment that happened and

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it went viral of John Mora talking about Saquon Barkley.
I remember doing podcasts from Lake Tahoe because I think
I watched like it went on like a month vacation,
but I was still grinding, got to pay the bills
around here, and I remember watching that on the couch
up to Tahoe, thinking like, this is not going to
go well because the Eagles have so much going for them. Offensively,

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it's by far the best offensive line he's ever played with.
He has a running quarterback, so it's not like you
can just focus on him with some of these RPOs
and some of the looks they were gonna get. They
also have by far the best passing game he's ever
been associated with. They have an All Pro guy in
aj Brown. Obviously DeVante in a stud tight end like

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I just didn't see. Now. Obviously he had been injured
in the past. If he was healthy, he was going
to dominate, and I would say he's been even better
than I thought. I don't think it's crazy to say.
I'm not saying he's gonna win it. It's kind of
like the Heisman. It's difficult. You gotta have momentum on
your side. I mean, Lamar is having another fantastic season.

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I mean, Josh Allen is right there in terms of
the odds. And if he goes on and beats the
Chiefs and they compete to have the number one seed
and he keeps throwing up, you know, touchdowns, got to
play better than he did last week. People, we always
lean quarterbacks, right, It's all been my entire life far
young Manning, Brady Mahomes, Rogers. It's very, very difficult for

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the Barry Sanders and the Adrian Peterson's to win it.
They have to be spectacular and typically they need bad
quarterback years. It's why Christian McCaffrey had a very very
good chance last year because Lamar was a really good
player last year, but statistically he is dramatically better this year.
And then Christian kind of competed against his own teammate

(05:32):
in Purty. But this year, obviously the quarterbacks are having
better seasons. But you can't really dispute that Saguon Barkley
is an MVP player, right. I mean he's one of
the best players in the NFL. And in a game
like tonight. It's a good example that what I love
about football is you kind of definitely if you gamble,

(05:53):
you know this, when a game starts, you kind of
like ugh, you know, if you're on one side, you're like, ugh,
I got problem this game. If you like, if you
have an over under and you take the over, you're like,
I don't know, this looks weird. And there's a feel
you get in a game early on. Now, obviously random
things happening, like late in a game, maybe you get
an extra fourteen points with five minutes to go, but

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for the most part, you can feel out a game
early on. And it was clear, like this thing's gonna
be ugly. You know why Thursday night games later in
the season are a lot on guys. Right, this is
November fourteenth, so the Commanders had played ten games coming
in today their bys late. The Eagles had played nine. Like,
you've played a lot of football, you're tired. It's a

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crazy turnaround, I mean, an insane turnaround for these guys
to get ready in four days, so it's naturally gonna
be sloppy. And it was like, you know what tonight's
gonna be about. It's gonna be about two things, the
defensive line and really your front you could include the
linebackers as well, and the running game because you could
tell Jaden was way off, you know, and and Jalen

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like you can't really put too much in, Like Jalen
could have a couple awful drives and you just never know,
like at any moment, he can make a couple of
plays and all of a sudden, you look, he's got
like one hundred and sixty yards and two touchdowns. So
he can be a bizarre player that way. But it
was like he wasn't gonna throw for three hundred yards,
so it was gonna be a night on both sides.
Who can run the ball and what defensive line can dominate.

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And that's where Sakuan has taken the Eagles to another level.
I mean even before he busted off a couple of
his big runs for touchdowns and just for big plays
throughout the game. His six seven yard runs give them
a sense of life. Right, He'll make a guy missing
a hole, He'll do his Herbstreet said it tonight because
it was dead on, because he's called these games. He

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had a three sixty spin move like between the tackle
box where it was like, does he even quite know
what he's doing here? And he three sixty right into
a hole and then kind of broke a tackle and
got like five six yards and Herbstreet's like, that looks
like the Penn State guy. Well, guess what the Penn
Steak guy was. He was so damn good he got
drafted number two overall. And that's the guy we're getting.

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And let's face anyone who's followed Saquan's career, who is
listening to him talk on podcast or interviews, he's the
easiest guy, or one of them in the league to
root for. And it's awesome to see him kicking ass
and taking names. And the Eagles got an MVP candidate.
I'm not saying the guy's gonna win the MVP, but
that's the level of player he is for twenty seven

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million guaranteed, and he has taken this offense to a
completely noother level and has taken a ton of pressure
off the quarterback. And like tonight, like quarterback was fine,
didn't make any mistakes. Ranway need to hit a couple
of big plays, dumped it down a couple times that
it led to other big plays. Hit aj on a
couple slants hit Davonte like was fine, but he doesn't

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need to be the guy of a couple of years ago,
Like we need this guy to be the MVP. And
I think that's directly correlated with Saquan being behind him,
which is what's a great thing. And that's why the
Eagles to me, on offense right now feel dramatically more complete,
Like this is an offense. I was texting a couple
buddies to night, I'm like, this is a scary as team, man,

(09:12):
it really is. And this is why I picked him
to win the division. Too much talent and the other
thing that's coming to fruition for him. We talked about
ugly game, running game, defensive line. Well, what was everyone
like being critical about the Eagles Early on in the season,
It's like, where's Jalen Carter, Where's Nolan Smith? What the
hell's Jordan Davis? Is a guy four hunderd pounds? What's

(09:34):
going on? And then as the season is progressed, what's happening.
Jalen Carter is playing like one of the best interior
offensive line in the league. He looks like a fucking monster.
Nolan Smith. I feel like every time I watched the Eagles.
He gets a sack, he's in the backfield, He's making
shit happen. Jordan Davis tonight had a big play on
a short yardage where he drove the I don't know

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if it was a garter center back in you know,
into the backfield and created a tackle for loss. And
number fifty three is looking like an All Pro player. Obviously.
Now they've gotten Cooper dejan playing. We know how good CJ.
Gardner Johnson is the young corner Mitchell like, their defense
looks really good, and we'll dive into Washington. I mean

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they have some issues offensively, but the Eagles completely dominated.
I mean, at one point in time, the game was
twelve to ten, but it should have been nineteen to ten.
I mean their kicker missed an extra point and he
missed two field goals. I mean that game when it
was twenty six to ten really could have been, you know,
thirty two to ten. I mean, the Eagles had dominated
that game. They couldn't get points on the board. And

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credit to Dan Quinn, who a lot like Fangio. I
mean that those are two of the better defensive coaches
in the league. And listen, I'm biased because I had
a front row seat when Vic was at Stanford and
then the forty nine ers. I think he's elite. I
know people were down on him because when he was
a head coach or last year at Miami. Like, give
me a break, I will think Vic Fangio as my

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defensive coordinator any day of the week, twice on Sundays
and twice on a Thursday night football game. Now sometimes
it takes time and it looks dramatically better. And if
he can get Jalen Carter playing like Jalen Carter's playing,
and obviously the position coaches get credit, they're gonna be
really hard. And this is what I said, like listen,
I Sirianni, they're gonna have the you know, the worst

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head coach in all these playoff matches. If we all
had to choose tonight, who would you rather have, Dan
Quinn or Sirianni, We'd all choose dan Quinn. But it's
a pretty unique job. I mean, Vic Fangio makes like
five million dollars a year. Kellen Moore makes a shitload
of money. I don't know exactly how much he makes.
He makes a lot. Why because they are they're the

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head coaches of their unit, and Sirianni's just kind of
in charge of like firing up the troops, kicking it
with dom and like keeping guys with good vibes. And
right now it's hard to argue that it's kind of working.
And I think maybe it's last year, but they went
through that adversity. It was weird. It was ugly. You know,
even the night like ugly game. You're like, God, are

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the Eagles really gonna lose to Dan Quinn and Jaden
Daniels at home on Thursday night football? Because it kind
of and it's like they just kind of battle the
kind of battle. Then you looked up at the end,
it's like, hoy, they're kind of dominating them. And so,
you know, props of the Eagles, I mean, they got
this is people question, howie, this is why I support them.
I mean, they got a shitload of talent on their team,

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and they invested in the line of scrimmage. You know
who's taking the most heat right now in the NFL
in terms of GM Oh, there's a couple, but Ryan
Poles is right up there. Why offensive line? It's like, well,
you guys don't really no. He took a wide receiver
number nine, Like you should have taken an offensive lineman
right there. And you look at the Eagles like, guys
go down, next guy's up, pretty good player, And they

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just got really good players on the offensive defensive line.
Because in football, like most of your games are aren't
gonna be thirty eight to thirty five shootouts when your quarterba,
you know, playing his best football, it's gonna be these
ugly ass games. So can you dominate the line of scrimmage?
We can talk how football, the the pussification, how it's

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super soft, and obviously rules are a lot different than
they used to be. You know, it is a completely
different sport in terms. Jayden Daniel's got a roughing the
passer call tonight. Obviously, when you hit the quarterback in
the face, that's you know an automatic the guy the
defender like hit him in the shoulder pad, I don't
even think hit his face mask. So they're very quick
to throw flags. But at the line of scrimmage between

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offensive and defensive lines, it is still extremely physical. And
when you have better players than the opponent, that's where
you can separate. And that's where the Eagles are separating.
And listen, like, regardless of how much talent you have,
Like even Adam Peters would trade most of his players
for Eagle players. It's still football. The game's not played
on paper. The game this isn't fantasy, right, It's played

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on a grass field in South Philadelphia. And they were
right there. They were driving the field twelve to ten.
The Eagles offense was off. Sakuon was keeping a minute
just with like three and four yard drives. Jalen hadn't
made that many big plays. The kicker was missing. You're like, god,
the Eagles are just off. Even though he's like god,
they should be ahead. And dan Quinn goes forward on

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fourth and two, and at the time al michaels, in
fairness to him, I think it was so out of
the blue because who in that situation would have been
like a forty three or forty four yard field goal,
would have not kicked the field goal to take the
lead with eight minutes left. I always say this, the
game has to dictate your decisions. If it's thirty to

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twenty eight and you're down a couple, I get it,
like a field goal, they're gonna drive. We're not playing defense.
They had twelve fucking points, twelve twelve and he goes
for it when his quarterbacks not playing well. The Eagles
are dominating the line of scrimmage, dominating their offensive line.

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I was getting worked. They were getting blown up constantly, defenders,
all of them. And I'm not just talking Jalen Carter.
I'm talking Brandon Graham, Nolan Smith, sweat. They were causing
havoc and to go for it when it clearly they
were a little discombobulated. It's like, I don't know, I
just don't think you can do that. I know you

(15:20):
can't do that. Gruden went viral with the barstool guys
today saying, like, what that's fucking insanity, because I don't
care if you're a numbers guy, if you're not a
numbers guy, old school, new school. It's just this is football.
It's twelve to ten with eight minutes left. You have
a team that isn't as good as the other team,
yet you have an opportunity to win. Regardless of what happened.

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Your quarterback's playing like shit. It doesn't you could take
the lead, and he went for it and he didn't
even get closet. I don't get it. I don't I
haven't followed dan Quinn close enough this season to know
like his inclination in these moments. I thought so, Like,

(16:07):
there are certain guys like Sirianni and Dan Campbell, you know,
they always go for it. It kind of makes sense
this one. I guess dan Quinn's one of those guys too.
I thought that was reckless. I really did. In that
level of game when you can take the lead, when
you can take the lead, I don't understand it. It

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doesn't make sense to me. Not down twelve to ten,
And it completely backfired because then they got the ball
back a couple of plays later, hit got Art who fumbled,
but they got it, and then like two plays later,
Saquon scores, and then Jaden throws a pick, and then
Saquon scores again. It's like, well, we're down a lot.
I mean, what the fuck just happened? Well, that happened.

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You didn't kick the field goal, and you changed the
whole landscape of the game for reasons I don't know.
And I hate being critical of dan Quinn because I'm
watching the night going how is Washington gonna win ten games?
How is this possible? They're gonna have a banged up
quarterback for half the season. We'll dive into him in

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a second. I don't think if you could get a
random football fan, like someone that watches the NFL, that
they would have any chance to name three Commander defenders.
I don't think they'd have any chance. I think there's
a decent chance they couldn't name one. Now, if they're
really really like nerdy, geeky, maybe they'd get Bobby Wagner.

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But we were talking about it before we recorded, and
it's like, I think most people wouldn't even realize Bobby
Wagner was on Washington, but there wouldn't be like the
I don't want to script the kid's name, but Sanders Sill,
the corner who is an awesome young player. I mean,
he looks I'd want that guy. There's second round pick

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from Michigan. No one could name that guy. No one
could name some of their random players. And that's a
testament to Dan Quinn and how good of a jobb
he's done. I mean, both those two defensive coordinators, and
obviously Dan's the head coach as well, but like Vic
Fangio and Dan Quinn when it comes to defense, really
know what they're doing and are really really good teachers, motivators,

(18:17):
their shit works, right, and you see that. Obviously VIC
has better players and they're really starting to take off.
But you know, the overachieving that's going on in Washington,
even if you end up only winning ten games your
season kind of you know, it's a bad end of
the season. To me, it's an incredible accomplishment. Last, but

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not least is Jaden Daniels. You know, he was terrible tonight.
He really was. How many throws to night did he
drop back? And there'd be multiple guys on like crossing
routes and the ball would end up between the two
of them with defenders and everyone all four of like
the two receivers and the two defenders would all look

(18:57):
at each other and be like, what just happened there?
And that happened three or four times. It was like
is he injured? And then early in the game he'd
come over and they'd put the rap on his rib.
He clearly hasn't quite been the same since that panther injury,
because every game they play, I mean, they keep talking
about it, and then he's got some injury. I guess
now between his index finger and his pinky finger or

(19:21):
his web of his finger. He's just off. I mean,
he didn't look good and its Herbstree's Teddy looked like
a rookie and not a very good rookie. And they
are no matter how much they overachieve on defense, and
they definitely are, they got no chance to be good
teams if he's not. He doesn't need to be an A,
but he's probably got to be at minimum V plus

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because he has to be good enough for you not
to just double down on the run game to open
up the passing game. I mean, Terry's a good player,
but I don't think people are fearing Luke McCaffrey like
he's Jerry Rice two point zero so and Zach Hurtz
is somehow still kicking ass and taking names four to
thirty five years old. But you need him to be

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pretty pretty awesome to have a shot. I mean, the
reason we all thought they were really good early on
was because of how dynamic he was, and tonight like
doesn't quite look as fast anymore now. The Eagles their
team's speed on defense, I mean, they've been playing really fast,
but every time he tried to get to the edges,
whether it was Dean, whether it was one of the
pass rushers, whether it was fifty Bond, they were just

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kind of all over them. And that fourth down play,
which was kind of fucked up, he kind of second
guess it and he bobbles it. Then it looks like
there's a lane. It's like, well, I think if he's
Lamar Jackson two point zero, he might be able to
get there. And he doesn't quite put his foot in
the ground fast enough. Then all of a sudden it's
like ah, I didn't even get close, and he gets
to the sideline he gets destroyed. So obviously the first

(20:50):
half of the season couldn't have gone better, but tonight
was a night where you go, we just need to
take a break like this, this long bye. He needs it.
Just sitting the cold tub, sitting in the hot tubs,
sit you know, in the shower, in a bathtub, like
just chill. If I was Dan Quinn, I'd tell him
for the next three or four days, you ain't doing shit.
Just go relax, hang out with your girl, just get

(21:12):
off your feet, and anytime you need any ice, a
trainer will knock on your door and come to your
house and ice down whatever you need. Because this version
it's not really functional for them, like they can't play offense,
and today was and listen, it was hard, especially when
you're banged up Thursday night games. I think this kind
of extended mini by right where you get an extra

(21:34):
three days off, is gonna be big for him. But
they they like, you could miss the playoffs if that's
like any team in the league can beat if that's
what your offense is gonna look like. And that wasn't
the guy that we saw earlier on the seasons, which
I was kind of open to watch the night, but like,
I don't believe like he's he's injured. And you know
what's funny is I had a conversation with a buddy

(21:56):
in the league because you know, Caleb's a pretty hot
topic around the league and a lot going on right
I mean, they're just stories about do guys on his
team like them? You know, it's just it's gotten weird,
it really has. And he's like, you know, the one
thing that everyone talks around the league right now, what
makes the Caleb situation so polarizing is is Jaden bo

(22:17):
Nicks and Drake Drake May are just like dudes. Dudes
are loved in their locker room, so like, listen, it's
your rookie season. You're gonna have some ups and downs.
I'd say if you would have told any Commander fan
at the start of the season they would have got
the ten wins, that would be an enormous, enormous success.

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But the Eagles are now eight and two. I mean
they're feeling pretty good. Man, They're looking good. They're just
they're gonna be tough, they stay healthy. They got a
lot of dudes. I mean, they really do. Speaking on
this weekend, I mean it's just it's a pretty good weekend.
Remember two weeks ago, or not two weeks ago, but

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the week I went to the Red River, what week
was at like first week October, second week October. I
somehow went to the worst game of the weekend. But
it was Oklahoma Texas, it was Oregon, Ohio State, it
was Ole Miss LSU. It was just fantastic games. And
like you know, the NFL, sometimes you get like one

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good game starting Thursday night. I mean, that was a
fantastic Thursday night game. On paper, the game was a
little hit or miss. But Steelers Ravens, I mean it's
been the best rivalry in football for twenty years. Bill's Chiefs,
I would say has been one of the better rivalries
of the Mahomes era for sure. So I mean, if
you told me what's the final four in the AFC,

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I think it's a very very decent possibility that it's
these four teams. Right, So those two games, obviously there's
some injuries in terms of the Bills are dealing with.
You know, I don't think the Chiefs, like everyone, including myself,
like they're not gonna go un to feed, They're not
going to go to Fefe. But all of a sudden you
win this game. It's like, well fuck, why not. I mean,

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all of a sudden you're ten and ozer. It's like,
well they won ten, They've won sixteen straight games, like
what's seven more? So it's like it starts to becoming
a little more real. And I think the Steelers and Ravens,
you know, speaking of any I think what's so cool
about these four teams? If you get a chance. There
was just an incredible article on Steve Spagnola on the

(24:27):
Athletic It was it Honestly, it kind of brings you
to tears at times talking about I mean, it goes
over his whole career but it spends a lot of
time about his relationship with this group since he showed up,
you know, in twenty nineteen, from L J. Snead to
Chris Jones to Nick Bolten and just some different incidents

(24:47):
like I mean, all these guys, I mean they tell
him they love him, like when they hang up their phone,
like I love you. I mean, these guys consider this
guy a dad. And you read this article, you're like,
it's pretty easy to see the Chiefs kind of got
some special going on. I mean, honestly, it moves you
emotionally reading about there. There was a moment which Sneeze
brother got stabbed and killed. And I mean Steve Spagnol

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was the first guy called Chris Jones. The time they
it's it's it's powerful. But it's like it's pretty easy
to figure out why they're so good. And I think
the Bills got something special going on, and they've had
something special in the in the McDermott Allen era. But
even if you win this game for them, it's all
gonna be about you know, that's the thing about the Chiefs,

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and this is really what they've done to these other
two teams, you know, the Steelers the Bills in the
Ravens have been viewed as Super Bowl contenders these last
couple of years. The Steelers have not. And this is
the first year. Like, you win this game and all
of a sudden, it's like, well, are they gonna be
like the two or three seed? It's just gonna be
the first time since two thousand and six Tomlin wins
a playoff game. Is this team gonna be for real?

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Because unlike the Bills and the Ravens, they haven't had
the playoff success of recent But I think we all agree,
like TJ. Watt Championship Player, Cam Hayward Championship player, Mika
Fitzpatrick Championship level player, like their core guys on defense
or guys are like I'd be in the trenches with,

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Like those guys are guys like on the Bills, on
the Ravens, and on the Chiefs. In terms of like,
those guys are winners, even though I guess Cam Hayward has,
but you know, the other guys have not won playoff game.
So I'm really really excited, honestly the Sunday night game.
You know, the Bengals, if they don't win this game
against the Chargers, like they're just not making the playoffs.

(26:40):
It's just a little too little, too late. Even though
you watch them, you're like, God, they got Joe Burrow
playing the best football of his life. They got Jamar Chase,
who's just an incredible player. And this type game where
Harbad just kind of ends seasons and all of a
sudden you look up and Harbaugh wins twenty five to ten,
and it kind of ends, you know, not like legitimately

(27:01):
on Monday, Zach Taylor is fired, but it's kind of
everyone acknowledges, Yeah, it's probably over for him. Harbaugh has
gotten a lot of people fired over the years. That's
for damn sure. Okay, let's get in really quick before
we get out of here. Fugazi Friday. And this is
actually more of like, I just want to talk about
this guy in this situation. But most of you probably

(27:24):
don't fall like the radio industry that closely, and the
terrestrial radio business is in shambles, and people partly because
like their runs over right, it's completely changed, and it's
been like that the last three or four years. They
are not going to generate the revenue as they did

(27:45):
most of my life in the eighties. The nineties the
two thousands, when if you wanted advertise you went to them.
Audio wise, obviously podcasts and even video podcast it's just
changed the game. They're fucked. It's over. Which as someone
that worked in it, it was very very clear to
me one that, like how they generated their revenue. It

(28:08):
was based on a couple meters in a market, even
if the market had millions of people that represented it
was kind of like presidential polling. Uh, but that's how
I mean, some of these big stations did millions upon
millions upon millions of dollars in revenue based off like, yeah,
we got three people with meters, so our ratings are
through the roof. It's like, wait, you got three people

(28:30):
representing two million people and you're getting twenty percent share
of the radio market and you can now sell at
premium rate? How does this make any sense? But forever
there weren't any other options. Podcasts didn't exist, YouTube didn't exist,
all this none of this stuff existed. So it's like
they just got all the money. And if you had
a successful station music as well, I mean think about music,

(28:51):
and I could tell when I was in radio, it's
like there had been like five years My last year
in radio was sixteen but by now, right, you have
fifteen plus years of cars that are Bluetooth adaptable and
we listened everything on the phone, so they got no shot.
And radio has been firing people left and right, and
iHeart who were in business with I mean they're no different.

(29:14):
I mean, obviously they've adapted and changed and it's why
they're in business with podcasts. But in the Bay Area
CANBR which is a legendary station, and it's like for
those of you that live in the Northeast, it's like
the equivalent of WFAN. It is the powerhouse station in
the state of California. You can basically hear it from
the tip of California down to southern California all the

(29:37):
way to Lake Tahoe. It has an enormous signal. They
have their sports station, they have the Giants, they have
the Warriors, and they fired a couple guys, one John Lund,
who when I first got into the radio business after
leaving football, and just as a radio I've been a
radio connoisseur since I was very very young. I remember
listening to Loveline, which was a guy named doctor Drew

(30:01):
and Adam Carolla back in the nineties and they would
basically just have like porn stars, people call in about
their sex lives. It was so ahead of its time,
and it would be on from ten to midnight on
the West Coast and it was I mean, it was
the most incredible show I've ever heard in my life.
Obviously I love sports talk too, but even then it

(30:22):
didn't totally exist. Really took off, like when I was
in junior high with Jim Rome. I remember being in
college the first time I ever heard Colin when he
went to ESPN and sportstock really took off. But the
Sportstok radio station in San Francisco had the San Francsco Giants,
which you know, starting in the mid nineties got Barry
Bonds and obviously one World Series in the San Franco
forty nine. Ers and player podcasts now are so big

(30:46):
and it's cool, right you get to hear these players,
like I was watching Saint Brown his podcast on Instagram
talking about his teammate that shited his pants. It's just
stuff that you wouldn't get, you know, it didn't even exist,
and it's just funny. It's cool. There have always been
players that made the jump and back before podcast happened,
and Tom Tolbert, who was fired. He's one of the

(31:08):
most legendary radio hosts in the history of sports talk radio.
He basically retired from the NBA, where he played in
the NBA for a long time. He went to the
University of Arizona where he played for some legendary teams.
For Loud Olsen was teammates with Steve Kerr and he
played with Shack. He played for the Warriors when they
had like Chris Mullen and Tim Hardaway. And he became
a radio host like right after he was right after

(31:29):
he retired and for twenty eight years on one of
the biggest radio stations in America. He hosted drive Time
and within the last twenty he was their biggest star
by a mile. And today he gave up his last show.
But I think what made like, I just remember listening
to him. Honestly, seeing that made me think of my dad,
because I didn't get my dad's truck. My entire life

(31:50):
without KNBR being on, and especially in the afternoon it
was Tom Tolbert and a guy named Ralph Barbieri. And
you know, West Coast sports talk is a little different
than like when I lived in Philly. It's it's less aggressive,
and you know, I think what made Tom unique is
he was this former player that was like best friends
with Steve Kerr and Steve Young and Brent Jones and

(32:14):
Kyle Shanahan said today, like you were kind of the
Joe Rogan of sports talk. Like I would talk to you,
but I didn't feel like I was being interviewed. We
were just bullshitting, and you know, you see that die,
and it's just kind of sad, Like I was lucky enough,
and I'm very I'm not that religious, but I do
feel blessed that it just happened in my life that

(32:35):
when I got fired from radio because the Raiders were
mad at me, and I got forced into the podcasting space,
and it was early on I realized, like they're fucked,
and this is really something. And it's not like I
was some you know, on the forefront of some movement
like a bitcoin twenty years ago, going this is gonna
be something. I just kind of happened to me. And
in twenty sixteen, you're like God. And obviously they were

(32:56):
growing then, but they're nothing like they have been the
last four or five years. And I kind of I
got a big time head start and seeing these radio
guys go down that you know, we're a huge part.
I mean I used to after I left the other station,
I used to go on with Tom Tolbert and he
couldn't have been any cooler. And I hosted a ton
of shows with him and John Lunn, who was also
Great Papa's partner I worked with for years at ninety

(33:20):
five to seven The Game, and with him I saw
like how to be a pro, how to prepare, and
just also I think one thing I've learned from both
those guys is like to be successful in this medium,
I think there are a couple go to things that
you have to have and I think Tom definitely has
this and John does too. Is like you can't really
give a fuck, you know, you kind of just gotta

(33:41):
let it loose. And this is ultimately entertainment. And I
think it's why writers always had a hard time with
radio hosts, because like they always view themselves as journalists,
and that's true, like you're a journalist, you're a writer,
you're a reporter or whatever. Radio host is not a journalist.
Being a radio host is about being an entertainer and

(34:01):
being someone that they come to hang out with. And
I think about this sometimes too. It's like, did I
talk too much sports there? And there's always a balance,
but I mean tom Is, I mean on he'd have
to go on the Mount Rushmore of sports talk radio,
and it just it just kind of signals again like
I'm glad radio's dying. It's good for my business, but

(34:22):
it's also sad, and it just the station can br
you know, the Northeast, like Philadelphia and New York and Boston,
like their radio marks are still doing pretty strong and
doing pretty well. But out West it's done. It's it's
completely over, and maybe not officially today, but like these
places won't even exist in the next four or five years.

(34:44):
And like I said, as someone that grew up loving
and obviously it exists in different mediums now on podcasts again,
which is what I listened to, it just was like,
damn man, it's like their fugazi finally got caught up,
right and once the it happened, you know, and everyone
was at home and you could listen to every every way,

(35:05):
it just accelerated that tenfold and it's just fucking wiped
him out. And most of these people I don't care about.
And it's not like I even know Tom personally that well,
but it was like, damn, I mean, this was a
guy making big time coin for a long time, who
fucking moved the needle, who dominated, and he was just

(35:27):
he was your classic West Coaster, you know. He just
happened to be six ' ten and playing the NBA
for a decade. I mean, you could tune on the
show and he'd be having like shack on and they
played together in Orlando and they'd be telling stories about
like Dix in the shower after games. It was just
like you either got it or you don't. And some
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Speaker 1 (37:33):
Okay, we're hitting the home stretch here. Thanksgiving is right
around the corner. And Uh, It's like I say every week, Stucky,
I get sad when I look at the It's like
I saw Ole Miss. They've already played ten games. I'm like, Uh,
it's just we're too close. We are too close to
the ending. But that means we have more information we
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Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, it was nice to win a big game. Kentucky
hasn't won, man, They won a couple last year. But
the bars here were going crazy, like people one of
my wife's bars. They were. It was packed, so Tuesday night,
half to the brim, people were opening champagne bottles, spraying
all over each other. For a regular season game, it's

(38:39):
a it's different here for Kentucky basketball. It's the only
sport in the state that people really care about, especially
now the football team is not doing well. So yeah,
there's a lot of excitement. It's a different kind of team,
Like there's not it's not just take five freshmen that
we're getting ready to ship off to the NBA. It's

(39:00):
a well coached team. Even like in the press conferences
after the games, Mark Folk talking about like all the
adjustments that they make and you know what they were
doing with their ball screen defense and the second things
like that, that's refreshing.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
He's a former Kentucky player, right.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yes, something that cal just never did. He's he's really
highly endorsed by Patino. But he was at EU YU
and made you know, ran one of the best offenses
in the countries. So I think he's a really good coach.
So at the bare minimum, it's a team that I
don't think we'll get embarrassed to completely out coach in
the tournament, and they don't. I don't think they necessarily

(39:40):
have national title upside, but I think that they can
make a run, which will be exciting for Lexington. But yeah,
I agree with you It's very sad that we're already
at November fourteenth. Midway through November, it flies by. The
good thing is this weekend it's pretty good the NFL.

(40:00):
Last week it was pretty boring, just the games.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Afternoon games were terrible. Yeah, there's only.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah, the four Eastern games one for you have been
They've been badly lately. But this weekend we have some
pretty good games. I mean, Chargers, Bengals, Bill's Chiefs, Steelers, Ravens.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
So it looks like I could see the nine. I
could see nine or Seattle being entertaining too.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yeah, I think some Seahawks will be good too, especially
if Metcalf plays.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
I think you practice. I saw yesterday on Wednesday and Thursday,
but I bet he plays.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, I I like the forty nine are What scares
me is I'm I'm gonna bet Seattle if Metcalf plays,
it's a good spot for them. You know you're gonnaet.
They get the right tackle back, they should be fully
healthy on defense. They get two weeks to repair just
coming back across country. I expect, you know. I think
the buy is very valuable for the Seattle teams. They
have a new staff who I respect their head coach

(41:01):
McDonald and Grubb. So I think they'll have a really
good game plan here. It's kind of an all in effort.
What does scare me a bit is that the forty
Niners are very close to to like breaking out and
starting and we'll start to blow out some teams. I
don't honestly know if this is the spot, but like
they're eventually they're gonna start scoring in the red zone.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
They have owned They have owned this team with Gino Smith,
with Pete and now Ryan Groub. I mean they they
fucking destroyed Geno Smith. They're five and er against them.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah, no, that's true. But I mean the first time
they played Seattle's in a bad spot. I mean it
was a short week after a short week before that.
They had all kinds of injuries. They were missing four
defensive starters. You know, they're right tackle, so they should
be in better shape. And this version of Seattle isn't
the same defense at least schematically that Shanahan would just

(41:49):
rip up. But the forty Niners are close, like they're
gonna start scoring in the red zone there and then
this is usually when they turn it on. But they
just as right now they're just not doing all the
little things, which is which is preventing them from really
blowing anybody out. Like their special teams are really bad.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
No, they're terrible. I mean really bad.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
He made that kick because otherwise he's good. He was
getting cut.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I you know, I had the
Niners last week on Sunday. I know, but you can
feel it early with them when it's like, oh, something's
a little off. I I do think adding McCaffrey back
and he looks pretty good, and even his quotes like
I feel fine, ready to go, we didn't treat him
any different, you know. I that addition to go with Mason,

(42:37):
if you get him healthy, it's a pretty good one
two combination. Juwan Jennings being back as a game changer
for them. But yeah, some they've just been something's just
been a little off. One thing will be interesting against
Seattle is Bosa, who you know, looked like Lawrence Taylor
in that Seattle game. He had hurt in practice last week.
He had a hit pointer and even he said it
was like really really uncomfortable. He's never really had that

(42:59):
in before. And he was a little off in the
Tampa game. No, so I mean, if he's one hundred
cent healthy, he's just a menace for Seattle and for
whatever reason, Like you can watch games with Gino. This
year is a bad example because Gino's played just kind
of turned into a pumpkin against some good teams, like
look really bad in big spots against the Rams, against

(43:20):
the Bills, against the Niners. But you can watch him
and like, go, damn, Gina looks excellent, and then against
the Niners he looks like a guy that everyone used
to make fun of. So like if they get if
they get a capable quarterback, you know, DK just a problem.
I don't care. The Niners have good dbs, but that's
a tough cover. But if he plays shitty like he
did in that game at home on Thursday, like they

(43:40):
just have no shot, that they have no shot, and
that's great. I feel bad. Like I've been rooting for
Ryan Grubb for a while. They show some clips sometimes
when he's coaching, his hands go over his head. When
Gino does something dumb, it's like they're a team. We
talk about a lot of these teams about looking for
a quarterback this offseason, whether it's trading up in the
draft or doing something bold. Like to me, they're a

(44:02):
team to keep an eye on. I mean, their GM
sniffed around when he had Russell Wilson. Remember he tried
to trade him to the Browns for Josh Allen. Like
if you're like, oh damn, they've traded up to number
two to get cam Ward, which might be crazy or whatever,
but they're eventually going to do something bold.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Yeah, I agree. I think with this staff too, that
kind of would fit their their moo. But for this weekend, Yeah,
metcalf is he's paramount the Seahawks. The shot Without him
against I mean almost against it and against most teams,
but especially the Kaudy Uners, you need his you need
his explosiveness. He still leads the NFL and deep targets

(44:40):
and he's missed the past couple of games. And then
his ability to take the top off the defense opens
up everything else. Without him, Uh, it's it's a mess.
So that's certainly something to keep an eye on.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Well, let's just dive right into some of the main events.
I mean, like you said, we have some fantastic matchups
on paper today. I mean these are could be Super
Bowl defining matchups. Right when it comes to seedings. I
would just hit me. You know, if you were the Bills,
you would have been you would rather have the Chiefs
win that game in dramatic fashion, so there's still nine

(45:14):
to zero and they still have a buffer over you.
Then lose that game, and then you know, you lose
two straight games. All of a sudden, you have the
same record as the Buffalo Bills, and depending on what
happens with the Steelers, all of a sudden, you're looking
at the Chiefs. You've had this great season, you have
the same amount of losses. If you were to lose
in Buffalo as potentially Pittsburgh and obviously Buffalo, and it'd
be a problem. But now it's like, even if you

(45:36):
lose this game, like whatever, we still got a little buffer,
which actually is good for Buffalo, who needs to keep
winning for the seating. I think I told you last
week clearly, and I think everyone agrees that this team
is it's you. It's hard to be critical of them
because it's fucking remarks. When's the last time they lost? Christmas?
Christmas Eve? Yeah? And I think over fifteen they've won

(45:59):
fifty team straight games, right, including the playoffs, they've been
I heard Nick wright say this. They've been an underdog
in five of those you know, the Niners is a
good example. Obviously twice all those you know, the Bills
and the Ravens playoff games, and then in this game.
But like, I actually, in a weird way, don't view
it as disrespect. I don't think anyone thinks they're not

(46:20):
like some in the midst of their dynasty. They're just
a flawed great. Like they have some issues. They struggle
to score, and I think we all saw that coming
in the Buffalo game, or I mean in the Denver
game that like there's a pretty good spot for Denver.
Now I didn't think it would be that close, but they,
you know, great play at the end. My taking this
like I kind of just think, you know, are they

(46:42):
more likely to pull out this game and then lose
to Caroline or some crazy game, or they just inevitably
just gonna lose to a good team, right, because if
they lose to a good team, then I throw away
my theory of them losing to Carolina the following week, Right,
I bet you are with me on that. But like
this does feel like at Buffalo. I don't know, Buffalo

(47:02):
has played them well before, in the regular season. Yeah,
I can see them losing. So I mean, I don't
love minus two and a half, you know, Yeah, I
wish it was a little like one. But I don't know.
I just feel like, if you tell me Buffalo wins
this game like thirty to twenty, I think I think
that's pretty realistic. And I don't even think that's an

(47:23):
indictment on the Chiefs. I still like them to have
a very good chance to win Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Yeah. I had the Bill circle there for this game
to beat the Chiefs. But look, I bet the forty
nine ers minus one when we talk about that against
the Chiefs, and I would bet it again. I mean
that all that receivers got hurt in the beginning of
the game that closed minus two and a half. And
now you're talking with the Bills are minus I had

(47:48):
the forty nine Ers power to ahead of the Bills,
and the Bills are dealing with injuries ahead of time.
We know about the injuries now, which is very concerning
because I do think I mean, this Chiefs team that, uh,
they can't keep getting away with this. They've I mean
they've won six or seven one possession games they beat
you know, they beat the Bucks in overtime, you win

(48:09):
that coin toss, You beat the Broncos on a blocked field.
What is this the mac midweek action?

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Did you see the staff like them compared to the
I think it was like the seven pats that they threw,
you know, early November. Already have more close games than
that team did all season long.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Yeah, I mean you go back, and they've also benefited
from a ton of injuries. Like teams losing offensive linemen,
this forty nine is losing all their receivers. They played
the Bucks without Godwin and Evans. I mean, I could
go on and on and on.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
I do you think the forty nine ers are a
bad example though, because they fucking always beat them. They
beat them season.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
With you lose all your receivers and then what your
game plan was? That too? Like your game plan goes
out the window. They just had no chance. Where I
think that matters is that I think the Chiefs second
is very vulnerable and how many people are aware because
if you look at the numbers, they look really good,
but they lost the Jerry Snead in the offseason. Then

(49:09):
they lost Jalen Wattson, who's playing is one of the
best corners in the NFL, and his backup is terrible.
So your secondary, now, I think, is extremely vulnerable if
you play a competent fully healthy passing attack, which I
mean they haven't since Burrow Burrow tore him apart. I mean,

(49:33):
even the Falcons are moving the ball and then in
should have won and they had two starting offensive lineman
get hurt in the first half of that game, so
I think the second is very vulnerable. So I'm like
Josh Allen, this is the spot. But the problem is
the Bills aren't fully healthy. You have you're gonna be
without Coleman and I don't We're recording this on a Thursday.
I Kinkaid is trending toward not playing, and Amari Cooper

(49:57):
might not play, and if he does, is gonna have
a cast. And then you're starting right tackle. Spencer Brown's
dealing with swelling and he doesn't know if he's going
to go. And that's the key is that you have
to be able to protect. And the Bills have a
really good pass protecting unit up front, but if they
don't have the right tackle to drop up, this replacement
is pretty big. And then you don't have Kincaid you

(50:19):
don't have Cooper, you don't have Coleman. I mean, what
are we doing here? And this lins two and a
half and you're going up against the Chiefs who are
twelve one and one against the spread under Mahomes is
an underdog twelve one and one pretty remarkable. The only
loss of the enough, as you alluded to, was against
the Bills two years ago when the Bills were thick

(50:41):
minus two in Kansas City and one twenty four to twenty.
But I can't get here. I wanted to bet the Bills.
I think the Bills win if they're relatively healthy, but
I have to keep an eye on the injury report
because if they're not without if they're without Kincaid, Coleman,
Cooper and their right tackle, and the Chiefs run the

(51:01):
I think is legitimately and realistically improved. Uh, it's tough
to go against my Homes. Think two and a half here.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
That one the Cooper injury. Obviously, you know it's a
plug and play player who's really good and then he
hurts his wrists and just kind of been in my
A is not an ideal situation for them, righteah.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
And if he plays with a cast or I don't
than he can't catch Allen's rockets, Like I don't know
you it's tough. So I agree with you that if
the Bills win, I mean, if the Chiefs win, the
spot is next week Panthers off the by I.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Mean, do you get a number to be bigger than
the Jags at the lines right now? Plus four plus
thirteen on DraftKings, it is, right, the biggest line of
the year. Does that line eclipse that or not? Really?

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Chief probably not because it's in the year offense.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Could you see that being like eleven twelve?

Speaker 3 (51:58):
I mean the Chiefs. It's hard like the Chiefs, and
then it's like not an indoor Let's say Panthers are
coming off, but bye, I would make it. Yeah, some
are somewhere around Ken and I yeah a half eleven.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Okay, you've you've made me nervous on the Bills. The
injuries are a problem. Let's let's go to the other
heavyweight fight. You've topped me this over the years. This
is just primetime Tomlin at home as a dog. I mean,
they you know, you watch them last week, and really
since Russell's been there, they just can't really be argued.
There's just a new element to their passing game. He's

(52:33):
more willing to throw it to. I mean, George Pickens
has dominated since he's got in the game winner to
Mike Williams, who just showed up. They lose high Smith,
but they had just traded like that. I think that
Preston Smith trade for nothing. Actually, they gotta feel a
lot better about that coming into this week, right, And
you know, this game is just their records are kind

(52:55):
of whether they were both with zero and zero or
whether this was week seventeen and they were to know
each it doesn't matter. I mean, this thing is gonna
be a fucking war zone. I just how do you
not take the Steelers plus three in this spot? I mean,
the Ravens pass defense has been atrocious. The one thing
with the Steelers that Russell got there, their running backs
have looked really dynamic. I feel like since I don't

(53:17):
know if they're a little healthier, Na She's I think
played the best football of his career like these last
four weeks. Jalen clearly looks healthy, you know better than anyone.
It is hard. The one thing the Ravens do do
is play well against the run. But I would imagine
Russell's lollipops outside the numbers, like they're going to be
pretty aggressive. I don't know if it's quite Joe Burrow

(53:37):
and Jamar Chase, but throwing the ball as something that
they definitely feel more competent doing. This is a huge
game for Baltimore, right because if the Steelers win, and
essentially have they have two losses and they've beat you
and you got four, I'm obviously very confident that the
Ravens probably end up being the five seed. I guess
depending on what happens with the Chargers, it could be

(53:59):
the six, but it'd be a big spot because of
that that Raider game would really come back to bite
you in the ass. I think there's added motivation here
for Baltimore just given the record, let alone obviously the
opponent and your bit of rivalry. But I like the
Steelers plus a gay Honestly, I kind of like him
to win this game.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Yeah, I can't believe taking the points here. Toman is
a home dog in his career twenty six and one
against the spread, and if you look at this rivalry
since Harball arrived in Baltimore in two thousand and eight,
in this matchup when either team is favored by three

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or more, they have gone the favorite has gone two
eighteen and three against the spread. That's say one more time,
two wins, eighteen losses, and three pushes as a favorite
or three and more. That's a ten percent cover rate.

(55:01):
So underdogs of three or more in this matchup since
two thousand and eight of at least a field goal
eighteen two and three. Harball himself as a favorite of
three or more is oh ten and two is never
covered as a favorite of three or more. And if

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you look at this, how close this matchup has been.
They've played thirty two regular season games since Harball has arrived.
Twenty six have been decided by one possession, over half
by three or less. Over those thirty two games, they're
separated by twelve total points, average score nineteen point six

(55:48):
to nineteen point two. There's so much familiarity. Yeah, it's
it's insane. There's so much familiarity, there's so much hate.
It'll and just always finds a way to be close.
Lamar Jackson has also struggled against the Steelers more than
why do you think that is? Well, they have I

(56:10):
mean the number one. There's familiarity so like his speed
is not gonna shock them, you know. Shot Like that's
Lamar's record versus the NFC is so good. The Steelers
usually have a good defensive game plan. They also have
a really good defensive game plans for more mobile quarterbacks,
which you saw last week against Daniels, who didn't really

(56:31):
do much. He had his worst game of his career.
I mean the score won't show it, but he didn't
do much in that game. Lamar's one in three. He's
missed some games with injuries, but he's won in three
against the Steelers. Four touchdowns, seven interceptions, five fumbles, fifty
nine percent completion rate, sixty six passive rating, sacked twenty times.

(56:54):
So you also have those it's the high Smith that
we missed a bit, but they do have some depth there,
and you mentioned they added Smith, but his loss does
heard of it. But you have those edge rushers.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
He's good and really good at there. He might be
the best second rusher in the league, you know.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Yeah, so that's not immateial, but they yeah, they know
how to get after quarterbacks and they know how to
blitz mobile quarterbacks. So yeah, they just they seen the
Avamar's number. Now I will say so, I wouldn't blame
you for taking the points here, and I'm a Ravens fan.
I also like the under. I think this is too
high for raven Steelers game at like forty eight and

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a half forty nine. The Ravens offense is like it's
trending towards best of all time territory. But like I
just mentioned, Steelers know how to defend this offense, and
the Ravens they have the best run defense in the NFL.
That's like what the Steelers want to base everything off of.
And this the Ravens have major issues in the secondary,

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particularly at safety and on the back end defending in
the middle of the field. The Steelers don't throw over
the middle of the field like russ Is just there's
just nothing there. It's a void. You never had to
run the ball and then toss it down the sidelines.
It's not the most sustainable offense. They've been really good

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hitting those long deep shots, but that's not been the
Ravens weakness down the sidelines. But it's on the note
which does scare me a bit, is that Kyle Hamilton.
You don't know if he's gonna play. It's one of
the best defenders in the NFL. You can use him
at safety. They use them at edge, linebacker, slot corner,

(58:37):
so he would be missed. But I think that this
lot stak high stakes, a lot of familiarity. I think
this total is too high. Even with how well the
Ravens offense has played and how well the Steelers offense
is played of late, I think this game will probably
be in the low twenties. Like I'm going to say,

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like twenty three twenty somebody.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Well, Hamilton, who I think if as we're sitting here today,
I think it would be safe to assume he doesn't play.
Is that fair? Yeah, he's the second lead He's he's
our second leading tackler. And you could say, well, their
secondary is terrible. He makes a lot, but he clearly
plays near the line of scrimmage a lot, and it's

(59:22):
just an excellent player around the lot, you know. I mean,
he's an incredible open field tackler. He can shift essentially
into a linebacker, and he's essentially the second linebacker with
Roquan Smith a lot in the run game. So you
remove him, you know, Patrick Queen is now on the Steelers, right,
So I mean that was does that change their ability

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to stop the run against a team that has been
running the ball pretty effectively. Like that is at a
little you know advantage Steelers with with him out of
the game.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Yeah, it'll hurt, it aren't in multitude of ways just
not having him on the field. He's just such a playmaker,
like defending screens, rushing the passer on like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
He's just stu I mean, he's like a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Yeah, so that's that's certainly something the watch. But taking
the points just what you do in this matchup.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Do you think this is if Tomalin, if they win
this game, they just win this game, would you feel confidence,
say the Ravens are probably not going to win the division?
Or do you think it's still there's a lot of
football left to be played and you don't totally trust
Russ Or is that pretty big, insurmountable couple of games.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
No, I think that they they would sell sell a
pretty good shot. I mean the Steelers there, their schedule
now gets difficult. I mean they've they've played some clowns all.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Year, and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Like now they play all their division games now. So
you have the Bengals twice, the Ravens twice. You have
the Watson, which yeah, won't won't be easy rivalry game,
and then you're not on divisional games are against are
at Philly and home against the Chiefs, so.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
It's not the chief is Chiefs game the last game
of the season now second to last, which okay, so
the Chief's still playing Chiefs probably still playing for something
that cames on Netflix, by the way, and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
On Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Christmas. Yeah, so yeah, I don't think they're completely done.
They'll also get them back. They'll get the cheap they'll
get the don't get the Ravens, they'll get the the
Raves will get the Steeers at home later in the year,
the game before that Chiefs game. So yeah, they won't

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be completely done. This Steers schedule is brutal the rest
of the way.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Okay, I felt pretty good about this. I don't. Yeah,
I gotta be careful with these, but I got I
got pretty aggressive on a little afternoon parlay last Sunday,
and it was I felt pretty good about the Eagles
killing the Cowboys, you know, about about noon my time,
and I was looking at that Jets cardinal line. I'm like,
I'm just shortened the Jets. I don't know, like, I

(01:02:14):
didn't expect the Cardinals to look that good. I didn't
even Hell, you don't even know quite what you're gonna get.
Maybe they are just good this year. But I was like,
I'm just I'm gonna hammer Cardinals, Eagles's let's fucking roll.
And it was awesome. It was it felt good. No sweat,
no sweat. I mean, that's that's as good. Honestly, it's
not even it's fun once the money comes in. But

(01:02:34):
I do like a little action, you know about you know,
I like being on the edge of my seat. And
I was not lsu do that to me on Saturday night.
It's like it was over before I could even have
any fun. It just makes you mad. But I do
think the philosophy moving forward, if you're just like, unless
you're the let's say Panthers, Giants, this version of Cowboys,

(01:02:55):
there might be four or five teams that I would
just stay away, but basically anyone else if you're giving me,
like over a touchdown the Colts and not listen Anthony
Richson's back, Why couldn't Anthony Richdons and Jonathan Taylor? Why
doesn't Shane Sykein just steal the Malik Willis Green Bay
Packers Week two game plan and just go, these guys
are gonna have a combined thirty five carries and we're

(01:03:15):
gonna shove it down the Jets throat. I just don't
see how you don't hammer the Colts here in the spot, Like,
I'm just betting against the Jets, and I think if
you had done that, someone DM me said that he
did it in the preseason because they were favored in
like thirteen of the seventeen games or whatever, and he
put one hundred dollars on everyone in August and he's
up like seven hundred dollars. So it's like, I just think,

(01:03:38):
if you just take the logic, just bet against the Jets,
so you could argue that's one of my favorite bets
on the board is Colts plus four at the Jets.
Who I don't know if they went one, two, three
can coon, but they feel like you get down seven
to nothing. They got quit written all over them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Yeah. I actually I played the Jets last season, one
of the worst NFL bets I've ever made, and they
look like they credit but twenty six messed tackles that was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Their defense is objectively bad.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Right, Yeah, the defensive front is way worse the injuries
at linebacker. I think that the the change to Anthony Richardson,
who one of the most inaccurate quarterbacks I've ever seen,
is a positive for this particular matchup, and because the Colts.
If you look at the data, the Colts run game

(01:04:33):
is so much more efficient when Richardson is in the
game of quarterback compared to Flacco. Look at Tailor's efficiency numbers.
They go through the roof. Why, Well, you have a
quarterback you have to worry about that can run, not
the statue of Joe Flacco. So and that's how you
want to attack this jetscene. They can't stop the run.

(01:04:54):
And a November game when you're out of it, are
they really gonna like? It's probably be a lot more mistackles?
And you're right, where are they? Mentally? This is a
team that was expected to compete for a Super Bowl.
The missing piece was Aaron Rodgers, a healthy Aaron Rodgers.
Well that hasn't been the case. There's their defense is

(01:05:15):
falling apart. Robert Salad must be just sipping wine. Oh
my watching this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
I mean, sauce looks pretty bad. I mean the tackle,
but he fell off on Trey McBride was like, this
is supposed to be one hundred million dollar corner. I mean,
that's that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
It's all falling apart. So I and yeah, where that. Mentally,
there's no leadership, there's no direction, there's no identity on offense,
and now you're sitting at three and seven. You're essentially cooked, Like, yeah,

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do they show up here? I don't know. I expect
the Colts to show now. The one concern I have
with the Colts is Bernard Raymond, their starting left tackle,
who went out with an injury last week, and then
his backup came in, Gon Calvis and gave up a
sack strip that helped flip that game, sap strip bumble

(01:06:12):
that the Bills recovered. I think he's gonna miss so
he could have the Colts had other injuries in the offensive.
You got have three rookies starting on the offensive line
and a rookie quarterback or I mean basically rookie quarterback.
We started four games last year on the road.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Do you think that's part of why they're putting richardson back?
Is Like, obviously the running, but just if we have
bad offensive linemen, we need a guy that can move.
Flacco can't move at all.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Yeah, they've handled this whole thing terribly. Because I have
a lot of respect for Shane Stiking, but like last
week he said he doesn't know the future, then this
week he said, Anthony Richardson is our franchise quarterback and
is the future.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Like it's been, it's been weird. It's been weird.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
I don't know if like Ers is driving this bus,
which would make more sense, but because it doesn't seem
to have really his bus is kind of shaky.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Well do you agree? Once he tapped out and then
like Ryan Kelly and the guys, like I do think
they're it was out of their hands. Like I think
the guys were like this fucking bullshit, right, Yeah, give
him one game and it was clear like Flacco might
not really have and just go back to him. Would
you have put him played him against the Bills last week?
Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Yeah, I mean, I or just the way that they
handled there, like a week you know, Flacco is our guy.
I mean maybe they're just there trying to, you know,
squash all the questions in controversy. But yeah, we'll see
how Richardson responds like mentally with his his confidence and
how he looks. But the game plan here has to

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be the Jets run defense is legitimately terrible. We have
Taylor Richardson run, run, run and run some more. And
and just if this Jets defense is in quiitmo, then
the Colts are going to win this game out right
pretty easily just doing that. So yeah, I don't mind

(01:08:06):
the Colts here as well. My my favorite be my
favorite bet on the car for what it's where there
is Browns plus one. I think off the buy. You
you look, the NFL injuries have been so bad this year.
You know one team does no injuries that I can
trust this week. I shouldn't say I trust them, but
I know I trust Their injury situation is the Browns.

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Browns have no one on their injury report.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
They did trade aways at Aaria Smith j Okay, they're
all pro linebacker is on ir but their defense is
still pretty good. Will be healthy out of the by.
Their offensive line is fully healthy. Nick Chubb out of
the buy should be fully oppy. You can run on
the Saints. Janis going back to New Orleans. I think
he'll have He'll be given some crazy, weird speeches. They'll
have this team fired up. And the Saints just they're

(01:08:50):
they're not any good. I met them last week, talked
about it the CA new coach bump with the Riz.
But they were very lucky in that game. I don't
know how sustainable the offensive chucking deep to mvs's who
missed three field goals. They gave up five hundred yards
of offense.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
And looks like Ken Shamrock or something doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Amazing, it's amazing, Like I'm a big fan of him.
But I think it's a good spot for the Browns.
They say that no receivers, they'd no d backs left,
their defense is terrible. And then here's the thing. One
of the reasons I bet Car last week is that
I'm like, look, I know he has no receivers, like
legitimately it was it was MVS. And I don't I

(01:09:31):
forget who their second leading receiver was last week, like
non tight end or running back. But he's not gonna
under pressure. The Falcons can't get any pressure. Well that's different.
Now he is offensive line and he's going against Myles
garretting up against a rookie. The Browns are gonna bring
pressure they can get pressure, and then what what what's
car are gonna do? Like, and you're gonna rely on
nvs getting open down. You're not gonna have time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
To get you for him to just run on the team.
When I looked up at the box, it's all I'm
hit the bomb. I I honestly didn't wasn't sure who
it was.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
It's yeah, I mean that was that was amazing, But
I don't know how sustainable it is. I mean, it's
cars are a bad spot right now. His offensive line's hurt.
And then a lave's on I R. Shaheed is on
I for the year? Yeah, out for the year. Bove
means looked, okay, he's on I R. You're down to

(01:10:25):
Mason Tipton, who guy went to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Yale, never of him?

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
And then MBS and then this guy Jermaine Jackson and
doesn't have a catch. He's from Idaho, five to seven guy,
he might be starting, And then like Cedric Wilson, like
that's those are your receivers. That's the one of the
worst receiving corps I've ever seen in the NFL. So uh,

(01:10:56):
and then you're gonna be under pressure? Is your offensive
line isn't healthy, So I like, I like the Brown Skits.
But back to your point, I I think it's perfectly
fine to make the Jets prove that they care and
that they can win by margin er that will win
by more than a field goal.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
What's your take on the interim OC bump for Bears
five and a half hosting the Packers.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
There's the Bears and then there's the Raiders too. I
think the Raiders are gonna go super run heavy, even
though I don't think that'll work. So I don't mind
like betting.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Both interim ocs are getting you know, the Raiders are
getting over a touchdown and the Bears that's actually been
bet down. It was like six and a half now
it's five and a half. Uh, both of them. I
guess the Raiders on the road Miami coming off short week,
Raiders coming off of bye Bears just kind of a joke.
The Packers coming off of bye huh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
And Lafloy has been really good off the Bye Love
should be healthier. Road favorites off the buy historically have
been really good about sixty percent against the spread, but
this line was too high just on the surface, like
power numbers by like six, six and a half at Chicago,
Like that's super high. But do you want to back

(01:12:16):
the Bears. So that there's two new ocs this week,
I think both are conducive potentially to unders in. I
think the Raiders is gonna go super runny. That's what
Antwonop Pierce wants to do. It's like play defense, run
the ball, kickfield goals. So I assume that they want
to go even more run heavy, but they just can't
run the ball. They also have offensive line injuries. In

(01:12:38):
regards to the Bears, we saw I mean gets he
was terrible, but a lot of this passed to be
on Caleb. He's and the offensive line has had injuries.
That's something to watch that they could be without a
couple guys, so we'll have to keep an eye there.
But He's He's, Caleb has kind of lost the plot.
And if you look at I mean, you sacked nine

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times against the Paid, its team is not getting pressure
and part some of that was the offensive line, but
a lot of that was him holding the ball too
long and not taking the easy throw, and some of
that was the play design as well. So with their
new offensive coordinator, he was at Carolina last year and
when he took over, they went a bit slower. But

(01:13:22):
there's there's a there is like some element of surprise here.
Even though at the Packers. He saw him last year
at Carolina it didn't go well. It wasn't he wasn't
a great play caller. But I don't think it can
be much worse. The keys to watch here are one
and them barrass For what it's worth, they if they're
zero to ten straight up and against the spread. Over

(01:13:44):
their past ten meetings against the Packers, they haven't won
or covered one time, and they've been awful in the division.
Part of that is that they're just at a coaching
disadvantage every week.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
It's hard to do in these division games. I bet
if we just did a study on all the shitty
teams over the last ten games against divisional opponent, it's one.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
The only one that happens is uh, Broncos Chiefs. But
the Broncos obviously covered last week. But the Broncos, the
Chiefs have won like, man, when was the last time
the Chiefs beat the Broncos? Uh? I want to say, like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
You're saying the Broncos have lost to the Chiefs, like
fourteenth straight times or something.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Yeah, I think it's like ten years in a row.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Belichick against the Jets for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Yeah, So, I mean it's just stunning how much they've
gone to do the Bear. I think you do not
have to assume the Bears show up and care. It's
like a the division rival at home against the Packers.
But they've looked. I don't know what's going on there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
They got some they got some Jets vibes to them.
It's different, and it's not like they're old in quitting.
It just feels like they're young and kind of like
DJ Moore hates Caleb. They got some weird shit going on.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Yeah, there's rumors that some of the players want to
tale benched. There's their whole Dj More saga. The then
you have the Stevenson thing when he was taunting the crowd,
and everything is falling apart since that play. And then
they went out to Arizona, got their doors blown off.
They look like they quit. He would assume coming home

(01:15:15):
against the Patriots, but they would bounce back. No, they
look like they quit there too. There was no there
was nothing they didn't I mean, it was embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
So from gave Nate Davis a bunch of money last year.
He's been injured a bunch and it was like being
healthy scratches, they just cut them like that's your classic,
Like hey, we're showing people this is not tolerated clearly,
like he wasn't buying in. It's like, yeah, a little
too late there, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Yeah. And I also don't think that they like the
players like love Eberflus, But last week, I mean, that
was one of the most embarrassing efforts I've ever seen
from a team. They average two point four yards per play.
That's like, this isn't a good Patriots Stephen. They have
all kinds of injuries too. That's like like Kent State

(01:16:04):
with a fourth string quarterback on a rainy night and
you know, on the road in the MAC on a Wednesday,
like that two point four yards per play with all
those weapons that you have, I know you had offensive
line injuries nine sacks. I mean that is so the
line is just on the surface is too high. Like
I've had plenty of success over twenty years been in

(01:16:27):
the NFL, just bilows sell high. The general principle, you know,
these teams are never as bad as or as good
as they look, the NFL market tends to overreact to
these data points. But sometimes there are teams that it's
just like, yeah, bad vibes, like I couldn't bet the pack,
I couldn't lay six here on the road, just based

(01:16:47):
on where my numbers are. But yeah, there's just sometimes
there's his teams that you're better off staying away from.
There was many times in the past. It took me
a while to learn that there's many times in the past.
I used to lose a ton of money. Oh wea's
betting these bad Browns teams like the Freddy Kitchens and
then going back and that we're just disasters. But my

(01:17:09):
numbers would say to play them, and they just would
never still never cover. The Bears might just be in
a really bad spot and then if they get behind early,
that's when it could just get ugly. So I don't
think either offensive coordinator this week is going to provide
a huge bump, but I think both could. I think

(01:17:32):
the Bears defense will show up, so I don't mind
the under there. I think it'll be low scoring. The
Bears offense are now it is just broken, and then
you have a new play caller. How much are you
fixing in a week. The offensive line still has injuries,
Caleb still looks lost. You have all these guys run happy.

(01:17:54):
I I don't know. The Bears are nothing, but I
would bet the under if I had it at the game.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Like the Raiders plus seven jumped out to me. You
got them coming off of bye? You got Miami short week?
Are they as good as the team we just saw
on defense? I mean the Rams offense is a little
off right now. I mean they've scored one offensive touchdown
over the last couple of games. I mean one of
those touchdowns against Seattle was a pick six. But I
would just struggle betting on the Raiders. You know, It's like,

(01:18:24):
what you're going seven points? Like little boost. It's like
I just don't think I could do. It's just a
stay away, even though I feel that's the bet. You know,
Like I kind of like the Titans this week against Minnesota,
but it's like, I am I really doing this? I
have been on the Titans too many times.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
Yeah, it's like it's donning that this year, there's it's there,
there are I'm having my worst NFL season and forever
because there's some of these teams that I've been backing
in spots, and I do somebody to catch up to
how bad they owner. I mean, the Titans have covered
one game all year like this. This stuff just doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
If you watch him, they don't. They're not that bad.
You're like they should be able to could And.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
I mean, but I've never seen this many bad teams.
The teams that are just in disarray in a conference
in the AFC, which was so strong, Like the Tits
are disarrayed because what are they doing at the quarterback position?
Like they don't know? The Jags disarray.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Well, like do you think there's value there? You know,
getting almost two touchdowns? That's a insane line. They just
lost twelve to seventeen to Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Yeah, they lost. They lost twelve to seven. They should
have lost or twelve seven nothing. They should have lost
thirty nothing in that game. I mean, Darnold threw three
red zone picks. The Vikings had thirty first downs to
Jacksonville's ten. The yardage was four h two to one forty.
The Jags average three yards per play. It was ugly.
They just got really lucky.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
You see Doug after the game on Mac Jones' interception
where he's like.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Uh, yes, that was he looks checked out. This This
could be it for him. I mean the Buys coming
up too, that would be the time. I couldn't bet
the Jags here. No that the lines have been a
wagon in these spots, but I'm not laying thirteen and
a half. That's that's ridiculous that number. But but the Raiders, Jags, Titans, Jets, Browns, Patriots,

(01:20:23):
Colts all in some form or fashion, like what's going
on with the franchise right now, that's basically half the AFC.
So yeah, it would be Raiders are nothing, but it's
a stay away. The Titans. Yeah, I think the line
is a bit too high, but I can't play them
this week from matchup perspective because Will Levis against the

(01:20:48):
blitz and against pressure has been a disaster. He's the
lowest rated quarterback against the blitz and against pressure. Well,
the Vikings lead the NFL and pressure and blitz rate.
So him against Flores, how many mistakes is he gonna make? Now?
You could just have a Sam Donald Pumpkin game where
he's just matching Levis and they're just going pumpkin for pumpkin,

(01:21:10):
and then you'll have a shot. But I can't trust Levis,
Yeah against Flores and the blitz and the pressure, and
he's not gonna be able to rely on the run.
Like that's Tennessee's able to move the ball, but when
they can run on the rummy, you can't really run
on Minnesota. You gotta have a competent quarterback and you
gotta be able to deal with pressure to attack their secondary,
which is their weakness. The Titans don't have that, so

(01:21:31):
that's a pass. I actually don't mind betting the Rams
on the bounce back in New England. Sean McVay has
been superb on short breast and then one against the spread.
It's like a good bounce backspot for them if they're
getting embarrassed in a month and I know it's short
week across the country, but they're gonna get a ton
of pressure. I mean, Jared Verse, he's I mean the

(01:21:52):
fact that you gotta give Snead and the front office
crewd they keep finding this defensive lineman and they don't
have a ton of draft capital and they've been able
to hit on all of them. Yard versus leads the
NFL and pressure rate, Yeah, they're gonna be able to
get pressure on man, I think force them into mistakes,
and I don't think that the Patriots defense can slow
down the Rams. The Rams, like the fort Guns, are
eventually gonna start scoring in the red zone now that

(01:22:14):
they have cup Nikua and a fully and we have
a lot of data that says with this offense fully healthy,
they're really good. Last week, you get two of your
offensive linement back. It was a mass up front. They
just didn't spend I think more they got full game,
they got game reps. Still look better this week. It's
not a Patriots defense that gets pressure unless they're playing
the Bears. So I like the Rams to bounce back.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
But I wrote that game down as well. The Rams
defense is good. I mean you just watch team speed. Yeah,
they're they're physical, they tackle well. But for whatever reason
that that offense is just off. Okay, I get you

(01:22:58):
out of here on this. I looked at the College Sleigh.
I really had nothing. Any Is there a game that
you love on Saturday kind of a week week in
terms of you know, high level matchups if you remove
Georgia Tennessee, which honestly might not be great either. Carson
Beck looks like shit, and Nico's injured. Not that he's
been great either, but yeah, I don't know. I mean,

(01:23:20):
one thing I did see, I mean, these odds aren't
great relative to what you could have got five weeks ago,
but I don't think you would have placed this bet
five weeks ago is you can get Colorado to make
the playoffs, which obviously just have to win out and
win the Big Twelve Championship against against probably Yu. I
bet on them. I had a decent sized wager on Saturday,

(01:23:41):
so I was pretty dialed into that game. Obviously it
was a little nervous early, but in a weird way,
I was like, I feel pretty good this team can
I think they're pretty good, you know, especially relative to
the Big Twelve. Like their D line's good. Obviously offensively,
I mean everyone you know Shador and Travis Hunter, but
number fourteen, the wide receivers good. They're like a real team,

(01:24:01):
you know. I think people are still like if you
just watch them start to finish over the last three
or four weeks, I mean relatively Big twelve. Could would
they be beaten like Penn States and of course not,
you know, but can they beat BYU in a championship game?
If they get there? I kind of like their chance.
I think plus one to forty it's kind of tasty.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Yeah, the problem with Colorado and yeah, they're playing well.
They have arguably like two top five draft picks who
could say that on offense, and their other receivers are
really good. That they brought in the passing attack is awesome.
Their defense, you know, obviously have Travis Hunter. It's not
the most talented group, but they're really well coached. The
defensive coordinator, who you know, wasn't getting a lot of hype, Livingston,

(01:24:50):
He's done a tremendous job and if you look at
their numbers in the second half, the adjustice that he's
making are tremendous. And just from a schimat at last
week against Texas Tech, Texas Tech runs this you know,
modified air raid, which you never ever want to play

(01:25:15):
man to man against. I mean this goes back to
Leach and even before him, Like the way to beat
them is you would just you know, drop eight. The
Colorado plays man like and press most of the time,
like seventy five eighty percent of the time came out.

(01:25:38):
They were playing their man early Texas Tech was moving
the ball and Texas Tech went up in that game,
and you know they were trying to blitz. Some don't
want to blitz this Texas Tech team either. They had
justin quick and then they went more zone. The rest
of the game stopped blitzing, were able to get pressure,
and then Texas Tech couldn't really do anything. So they're

(01:25:58):
really well coached on the defensive. And then you got
Warren Sapp bringing some juice to that defensive line. He's
not fun fun to watch on the sidelines. The problem
with Colorado is they don't win any tiebreakers, so they
have to win out their schedule and conference is so bad,
like if they get any if they get any tiebreakers,
it's gonna come down to strength of like if they

(01:26:22):
end up time with Kansas State, they lost to Kansas State.
If it's with anyone else, it'll be sure. But they
went out there in if they went out there in now.
But the reason I bring that up is there's a
team that's playing probably better than anyone in the Big
twelve who I like this weekend, but I bet last weekend.
I've bet the weekend before. I bet them three straight weeks.
I bet him again. I bet him this week it's

(01:26:43):
Kansas I bet him. This weekend'st Peu. I think they
beat Ya. I've been hi plus three and a half.
I think they're still catching three. That's fine. And then
next week they host Colorado. I think there's a good
chance that Kansas beats them. That game will be really good.
It'll be a shootout the Kansas. This Kansas offense Early Dan,
their quarterback Jalen Dan, who was playing like at a

(01:27:06):
Lamar level right now over the past threeks's. He's fully healthy.
He looks like Lamar when he's playing like their offense,
it's it's humming right now. He's fully healthy. And this
is a Kansas team that's been the unluckiest team in
the country. The Uyu has been the luckiest. Like UA,
you should have lost last week they should have lost
to Oklahoma State and Oklahoma State in Utah should have
won at buy You aren't probably don't even going to bowls.

(01:27:29):
Kansas has been the unluckiest team. So if you look
at their record, you're like, why is this team getting
bet down to you know, plus three plus two and
a half. They're three and six on the year. Well,
they lost to Kansas State by two at Kansas State
on like a safety and they gave up a touchdown late.
They blew a late two touchdown lead with like three

(01:27:51):
minutes to go. At West Virginia, they lost that ridiculous
game to UNLB when there was a pick at the
end of the first half and then un scored a touchdown.
They had a pick six that cost him the game.
At Illinois, this this seems lost every game by two,
three one in like ridiculous fashion. They could easily few
other bounces. They could easily be in first place in
BYU have two or three losses. So this team and

(01:28:13):
they're super motivated to get to a ball. They're really
well coached Lance Laphold, so they're going to have a
major say in this. That would be my only concern
with Colorado. But I do think that if Colorado gets there,
I'm looking at the look headlines the next week, cod
It'll be like a I don't know, it'll be under

(01:28:34):
a field goal.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
You know It's funny is last week we went to
lunch and I was like, you know what, let's get
some midday cocktails on Saturday. So we went to a
We went to this bar right across the street and
they had all the TVs up and we go kind
of sit on this like area where there are couches
and like ten TVs up at this sports bar, and
these people sitting next to us are all wearing Iowa
State shit, And I was like, hey, can you turn

(01:28:56):
on the Colorado game? Then I look Arrowhead Kansas Iowa State,
and within ten minutes they were like I can just
hear them, like what the fuck? They were getting worked dominated.
Kansas look like a you know, a playoff team they made.
They made Iowa State look like cal Paly. It was.
It was pretty cool and I ended up watching a
decent amount of game because we're talking about they look good.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
Yeah. I was making jokes on Twitter that that's the
best offense that anyone in had.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
I wish they came back a little bit in that
game because I remember coming back to my house and
looking at the score and the final score is a
little closer. Do they have a kind of a chance
in the fourth quarter? We're not really no, I mean
they were down like it was like eight or something. Yeah, Uh,
Kansas to their defense is bad. So I mean Coylor
Oddison score did, but what's working in Kansas's favors? You
can run on them.

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
They do have too. They have two really good corners
like Kobe Bryant will be drafted in mellow dots and
but that's about it on their defense, so they're gonna
but their offenses it's it's humming. So I like them.
It's b Yu this week. That would be my only
concern with car. But I don't hate the bat because
I think if they played Uyu, which is the most

(01:30:06):
likely scenario, they're they're gonna beat b y U. B
Yu is they can't keep getting away with this. They're
the Chiefs. Although the Chiefs are like the team that
you trust to win, but b Yu, this is just
some of these games that they've won this year are
pretty crazy. And yeah, I would expect that game to

(01:30:27):
be basically at coin flip Colorado k Kansas, Like from
a line perspective, we'll be a really entertaining game to watch. Then, yeah,
you have you have four top four teams on the
road for the first that happens like once in the
past ten years. But the problem is they're like off
thirty point favorites. Yeah, that's probably my favorite of the

(01:30:51):
bunch of the lines that are still around San Jose State.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
If you want a game that likes you're a junkie.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
Yeah. Against Boise I think that line's too high. They're
catching two touchdowns. Bois has injuries on the offensive line.
They lost their green dot to an injuries on crutches
last week. At that safety, he's a really good player.
You can pass on Boise. Santase State can throw the
ball around Nick Nash. We want to talk about one
of the most I mean, no one talks about. Everyone

(01:31:19):
talks about gent Nick Nash. He's the nation's leading receiver.
Is a guy who can go for two hundred on
any night. He used to play quarterback at Santase State.
Now he's playing receiver. He's gonna get He's gonna play
in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
This kid is a player. I don't think Boise is
anyone who can cover him. They have another good receiver
to Santase State. They can put a scare into Boise
here at home catching two touchdown, I think that's too
many points. This Boise State teams getting everyone's best effort
every week. They're too inflated in the market. They have
offensive line injuries. Their defense can be thrown on. Santase

(01:31:51):
Steak can throw it. You want a CBS Sports neverck
seven Eastern four Pacific Nick, you want to watch two
of the best group of five players in the country,
Ashton genty at running back, Nick Nash that wide receiver,
Nations leading rusher versus Nations leading receiver. I think San
Jose State has enough juice to keep that within too touch.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
The Boise were to go down. What are the rules
does a non Power four team have to get in?
Like is just the highest ranked team or do you
have to be in the top twenty five? Like who
else would even be in the mix?

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
Yeah, it'd be the highest ranked non it's the highest
ranked group of five conference champion, So.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
So someone's guaranteed a spot.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
Yeah, so you can throw out the mac Like if
Pois loses this game but then wins them mount lest
they could still get it. But you also gotta have
tu lane if Tulane keeps winning and wins out Army,
so you know Army. If they lose the Notre Dame,
that shouldn't impact them to much. If they win the
rest of their games to win the AAC, you could
have an Army or two lane. And it comes down

(01:32:55):
to like who will be rated to hire Army or
two Lane or Boise. You're not gonna have anyone from
the mac Louisiana maybe with one loss, but.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
They so the committee would be rooting for Boise. With Gant,
it's an easy story to sell.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
Yeah. Or if it's like, uh, if an army was
undefeated army, you gotta put them in the armies underfeed
and they beat notre name next week. But uh, someone's
guaranteed it, and Boise is definitely the front runner.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
Okay, Stucky, Let's let's keep rolling. Enjoy the weekend. The
best part about recording this on Thursday, it means almost Friday.
Football is almost here for the weekend. So have a
good one. Talk to you soon, bro, have a weekend. Brother.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
I'll see you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
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