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October 15, 2025 • 62 mins

John answers all of your questions from the future of John Harbaugh in Baltimore, to Kansas City always getting calls, to why the sky is falling for the Eagles when they lose a game or two, but that's never the case for Buffalo, and much more in this episode's massive mailbag segment. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume, What is going on everybody? John middlecop three
and now podcasts. How are we doing? Hopefully everyone's doing well.
If you listen to the podcast last night, I said

(00:23):
there was gonna be a mailbag in the second half
of it. I don't know what happened. Technology screwed me.
Not my fault. I'm gonna point the finger at my
computer right now. Somehow it didn't get saved when I
transported the file. I didn't know it until I got
a text message like two in the morning, actually earlier
in that because my guy Adam, who's on the audio,
is in DC and he's up at the cracking I

(00:44):
mean he's up at like pulling grudin hours. So I
didn't see that text till like six in the morning
my time, and it was too late. But it is
a video version, so you can find it on the
YouTube page. Make sure you subscribe, Oh, leave a comment
like the video. You guys know the drill. But today
we'll just be a big mail bag at John Middlecoff.
At John Middlecoff is the Instagram talking a lot of
football talking anything that you hit me with. And we're

(01:05):
gonna do about an hour long podcast to just taking questions,
interacting with the people. This is the people show, this
Instagram DM show. Actually that's really what it is. So
if you guys listen on Collins Feed, make sure you
subscribe to three and out just so you never miss
a thing, because you never know. We're gonna have podcasts,
which is literally every day, and let's dive right in.

(01:27):
I feel like I'm going insane. People keep saying Jordan
Love makes poor decisions. Since Week ten of twenty twenty three,
he has fifty six touchdowns and sixteen interceptions as a
nineties football guy who grew up watching far don't you
find that criticism laughable? I and T's have been made

(01:47):
famous by the internet, who cares throw touchdowns and win games? Well,
I agree, I mean those numbers are better than if
you would have said what I don't even know who
had to put in context. But I don't think I
would have guessed his ratio is better than thirteen or
three to one, right, because what's sixteen times two is

(02:09):
thirty two is forty eight. So he has a better
interception touchdown ratio since he really started playing. Well, I mean,
I do think it's fair to start middle delate of
that season so you're cooking the books a little bit.
But you could argue early on in twenty twenty three
when he wasn't playing well, if I remember correctly, it
was before the bye, because I remember Gudikins that year
was like the bye must have been around like game

(02:31):
six or seven, because he's like, you know, he's got
about ten games left. We're gonna have to make a
tough decision this offseason. It's like, damn, But they were
kind of right because the contract situation and they've won
a lot of games with them. I think it's more
and I said this about bo Nix and him. Obviously
he's more accomplished than bo Nicks and he's won a
playoff game. It's the trust factor that the head coach,

(02:52):
who also happens to be the play caller, has in
the player. So I think it's more that. And listen,
I'm a Jordan love fan. I mean, he's my type
player with the traits, but the difference of like far
in the nineties that there was a little more wow
and pizzazz but behind his game, and maybe it's in

(03:13):
defense of Jordan what he's being asked and coach to do.
It's kind of forced him to be a little robotic,
But I do believe there is more. I don't know,
explosive playmaking in there, because like you said, he is
producing and the teams, I don't want to say in
a rut, but they definitely are. They have a lot

(03:34):
more than is being shown now. We saw early in
the season and when they're on they're really, really good.
But I'm still bullish on the Packers mail back question
that's from Burke, huge Ravens fan rough here. Do you
think there is any shot we turn this around when
Lamar and crew are healthier and make a second half

(03:57):
run our schedule lighting's up, but not sure if we
have Dug too big a bl and if you don't
make the playoffs? Is it time to part ways with
John Harbaugh? Let's start with the latter part of that question.
Not because I was thinking about this and John Harball
will come up in this next question. Uh, I think
if you're gonna replace and I said this last year

(04:19):
about Tomlin. You you know when the Eagles fired Andy Reid.
This is the only situation I've had intimate knowledge because
I was there and then I actually once Chip came
in a couple months later, I was gone, but I
saw it, and they're like, we're gonna fire Andy Reid.
But who'd they go after. They went after Bill O'Brien
who was at Penn State and declined he'd only been

(04:39):
there a year, and they went after Chip Kelly. So like,
clearly and I wasn't a part of the hiring process,
but they had they had a specific or couple specific
individuals that they went listen, if we're gonna if we're
gonna fire one of the most successful I think he
probably is I guess Sirianni now because the Super Bowl

(05:00):
actually two of them, but well one win, you know
what I mean, we better know who's replacing him. So
it's like, I'm gonna fire John Harbaugh because he had
a crappy season because there was a bunch of injuries.
Who am I replacing him with? Because I can't just
fire John Harbaugh and go on a search like I
can't do that because the chance is that you know

(05:22):
forever John Harbaugh. There's a lot of Aaron Glenn's, there's
a lot of Jonathan Gannon's, there's a lot of this
ain't working. And I think that complicates the situation because
you look one this. I'm gonna get into this topic
probably over the next couple of weeks. I think this
is gonna be one of the craziest offseasons in the
history of football. When you look at college football, I

(05:45):
mean Penn State in Florida and if they fired Norvelle
Florida State. These are type jobs that give you eighty
million dollar contracts. Again, don't know if it's true. It
was reported that Brian Callahian signed a three year, fifteen
million dollar deal. Dames Franklin just fired. He's making ten.
Kurtz Signetti's in Indiana making eight, So I do think

(06:06):
you know, Joe Brady, it's like, do you want the
Arizona Cardinal's job with no quarterback? Or do you want
to be the head coach at Florida. Here's a six year,
sixty million dollars and you're the boss. Now you can
be like, well, college football, I don't know, it's not
that bad. I'm watching these games on Saturday. It looks
pretty badass, and they're getting paid premiums. So I think
there's just a lot of moving parts, and I think

(06:29):
you cannot fire John Harbaugh unless you go this is
where my Mike Tomlin thing was last year. It's like, hey,
now's your time to take your swing on Ben Johnson.
Like you can just hire Ben Johnson. Now it's also risky,
but like no one would have faulted you for doing that,
and Mike would have got a fresh start wherever right helly,
he'd probably be at the Jets and they'd be winning.
But I just don't think you can fire him Willy

(06:50):
Neely and like, let's go up canvass the landscape? I
don't think you can do that. I think you guys
are in a little trouble. You'll definitely win some games
if Lamar comes back healthy. Uh, but you start four
games under, you have a stretch where you go like
six and two. Let's just say you go six and
two over your next eight games at one and five,
think about where your record is six wins plus one

(07:14):
seven two plus five is seven. You only get back
to five hundred. So it's just it's it's really really difficult,
and I'd be stunned, giving the way their defense playing
if they go on a six and two stretch. So
if you went five and three, you're still under five hundred,
because you would be what would that be five. If
you went five and three, you'd be six and eight

(07:38):
getting texts about the guy that just cleared out my tree.
My neighbor's tree fell, and I honestly made me feel
good about humanity. We had this they called microburst. I
think it was a tornado. His tree fell over my
fence through my fight. Bess, those fighters. Trees are tough.
None of them snapped into my backyard. And I was like,
I guess me and Maria, I'm like, I don't really know.

(07:59):
I guess. I just go over to his house and
it wasn't like my neighbor. It was behind me. So
I had to go like around the block. And I
got in my car once the storm kind of really
settled down to stop raining, and he was pulling up
to my house and I was like, you know what,
I just kind of put a smile on my face.
But now, granted, he was older gentleman who I think's
doing pretty well because he was teaching a class today.

(08:20):
He had to say he had to go to Tucson
to teach a commercial real estate class. He's wearing an
Augustant National hat, so he must be a I just
kind of scouted him really Briefly, I was like, this
guy might be pretty successful, but he was just a
high level guy. And it's just you know, I was like,
I bet knock on the door. Guy's going to argue
it's not his fault, make me pay. And it wasn't
like that at all. So it's like, why do I

(08:40):
always assume the negative when there's just a lot of
positivity out there? Question for the back, now that the
Titans have fired their coach, what would it take for
them to trade for someone like John Harbaugh that might
need a fresh start. I would say that if you're
the Titans, in what world would John Harbad be interested
in that job? So to me and this, I said

(09:02):
the same thing for Tom Then forever they're not leaving
the Ravens or the Steelers, you're gonna have to fire them, right.
Sean Payton was like, this sucks. I quit at the
end of the day. They're the Saints, right. When you
work for the Steelers, when you work for the Ravens,
when you work for the Eagles, you don't force a trade.
That's not the way you make them fire you because
the job, the infrastructure, the financial backing, it's all there.

(09:26):
You don't leave. So I have a hard time seeing
John Harbaugh get traded, I really do. I think he'd
be more likely double middle fingers, fire me and then
I'll go get the job. Assuming that Borganzi and Brinker,
it is kind of a weird setup. I had a
really close friend that almost joined up with them last year,

(09:47):
and he was comfortable with the setup. He likes Borgonzi
a lot. But I clicked on the day at the gym,
like that press conference from yesterday, and it's like the
president but who is a scout, has a scouting background
and understands the cap over the GM. It's just kind
of bizarre. So I actually have a buddy that works

(10:09):
for the staff that has been some dysfunctional other places
and said, this place is kind of crazy. And it's
not like I'm defending what just went on with Brian Callahan.
I've never met Brian Callahan and he clearly wasn't good.
I just don't think that John Harbaugh. It's like, yeah,
I'll just go to the Titans, you know, after working

(10:29):
with Ozzy, Steve Bushatti and Eric Tacosta. So I think
the other thing is Eric Acosta and John Harbaugh are
very very close friends. Now, this is a cold business,
and business is cold in general. You know your closest friends,
I don't care who you are. Things can change really
quick when job stability, financial stability, and money is on

(10:50):
the line. So I would never say never about a
firing for sure, But I trade to the Titans. I
can't see that. I don't see John Harbaugh unless he
just wants to go to a retirement area like being
interested in like the Arizona Cardinals. Okay, it's gonna work
for Michael Bidwell. I just here's the thing. What's make

(11:10):
these guys so crazy is John Harbaugh has made so
much money over the last decade plus, Like really, once
he hit a stride. I mean he's probably been making
ten plus million dollars for well over a decade. I
think he makes like fifteen to eighteen million dollars. Now,
John Harbball works like eighty hour weeks so for over
half the year, Like he does he have time to

(11:31):
spend that money if you want to do and even
if his wife is an aggressive spender, you can't blow
that type of money, especially like once your house is
paid off and stuff, like what are they really doing?
Like he's he could take a deep breath, but that's
not really how the harballs are wired. Who's got it
better than us? A lot of people beside the Ravens,
that's for sure. What are your thoughts on the UTEP

(11:52):
study suggesting that during the NFL playoffs, penalties against opposing
defenses of the Chiefs were significant, significantly more likely to
result in first downs, cover more yardage, and fall in
subjective categories like roughing the passer in past interference. Gotta
say it's frustrating to see Mahomes and Kelsey talk shit

(12:12):
to other players knowing they'll get the benefit of doubt. Yeah,
I mean, I don't think they think like that. I mean,
I hear what you're saying. I didn't see the study.
Obviously they've gotten some good breaks. I also think the
talent to get better breaks, right, I think the best
to always get the better breaks. You know, it works
like that business, You know, it definitely works like that

(12:34):
in sports, Like Michael Jordan gets more calls than most players,
So did Kobe Bryant, so does Lebron James. Warriors fans
have been bitching for Steph forever doesn't think he gets
enough calls. But like you know, Derek Jeter is gonna
get the benefit of the doubt on an outside pitch
called the ball not a strike kind of the way
the world works. So it's like they've kind of earned that.

(12:55):
It doesn't bother me. And I don't think they've won
Super Bowls or gone to the Super Bowl because of
the ref Have there been individual situations that were bs?
For sure? Do I think it's insane that Patrick Mahomes
when he goes out of bounds and then he cuts
it back on a run and the guy stops. That
shouldn't be allowed. That should be penalized. But like, yeah,
I mean I don't get caught up as much on

(13:15):
the on the referees. Uh again, I mean, if I'm
gambling on it, I'll freak out. But I just think
we could The referees have been bad in officials in
sports and umpires in baseball for the majority of my
adult life. And if you're just gonna go into a
game wanting to just hate those guys, you easily can,

(13:39):
and it just can really bother you. Like there's a
human element to sports, and these guys are their emotions
get involved, whether it's Kelsey and Mahomes or whether it's
the Warriors. I mean the amount of times I have
seen NBA players teed up for swearing. It's like, guys,
this is not a youth league pick up hoops here

(14:01):
that this is a billion dollar industry with a lot
of money on the line. We're not teaching life lessons here.
We're trying to win chips and make cash. And that's
always really bothered me. It's like, yeah, these are grown man,
They're gonna swear. Mailback question. I'd be curious to hear
how you think about growing your pod from a business standpoint.
How closely do you monitor the numbers engagement, video to video,

(14:23):
or even topic to topic. For example, Colin mentioned he's
looking at how every segment performs on the hurt. How much,
if at all, does the team around you influence, suggest
inform your upload, schedule, content topics, and strategy. Would you
ever want to manage a network of your own like
the volume or do you prefer just doing your own
thing on camera? H I would say two things that

(14:47):
I closely monitor that I do on a daily basis
is the content what I'm going to talk about, which
you're looking at the editor in chief here, So we
have a text thread. We got things flying around, different ideas,
different topics, and you know, I am not running a
TV show here, So you're not going to hear the
Dallas Cowboys leading my show seven eight months a year.

(15:11):
That's just not going to happen now. Luckily, because of
the medium I'm in, I don't necessarily need to. I
try to talk about things that I'm fired up on,
but I also understand the business. I've been doing this
for well over a decade in radio and podcasts, especially
now with the influence of YouTube. Like I'm not going
to lead three shows a week with the Jags, you know,
or the lead with the Titans. So I have a

(15:34):
pretty good idea of what works and what doesn't. I mean,
the numbers kind of speak for themselves. But then there
are things that happened, like I did a I talked
about Mark Sanchez, I think like a week ago, and
we cut a social video and it was massive. I mean,
it was as big of a social video as we've
ever done. And listen, I'm not that big. Like, I

(15:54):
understand the value of social videos and social content, whether
it's YouTube shorts, Instagram reels, you know, Twitter little blasts,
but that's that's not paying for my kid to go
to private school. It's not generating unless there's specific content
we do for a sponsor, Like, it's not making any money.
So but like when you see big numbers, you're like, oh,

(16:16):
people are into that, and we've been talking about that
for a while. Is like, and I'm a big proponent
of this. It's like, this show is not about the
x's and nose of football. I'm not diving deep on
the running strategy of the Arizona Cardinals, you know, second
down offense. I would go under like I that wouldn't work.

(16:39):
We couldn't build a business off that. But I also
like when things work and when they don't work. And
I understand, like why is Mark Sanchez story huge? Because
it's the story that everyone's going to have an opinion
on it. My wife, my college roommate, was texting me
about it. He had a pretty he's a mission Vieho
guy and actually kind of knows Mark. But it's just
like it's just kind of a universal story, and I
got to do a better job of in corporating, you know,

(17:01):
like when everyone and sometimes I push back of like
what is everyone talking about on social cause I think
that social media has been the downfall of a lot
of people that I would say fifteen twenty years ago
that I would have viewed as successful people in the media.
And I think it's rotted their brain and they don't
understand what's good and bad because they just live on
the apps. And I try not to, you know, as

(17:24):
counterproductive as that may sound. Given the business I'm in,
I'm adamant and I've I've become so numb to it.
I'm pretty good at separating, like, yeah, that doesn't even matter.
But I do think it's pretty clear when topics are
pretty hot and there's a you know, a human element
to that, people enjoy and people, you know, enjoy my

(17:44):
opinion on it. So it's like I can talk about
Patrick Mahone's performance or you know, a Max Crosby trade.
He didn't get traded. I'm just using hypothetical. He probably should,
but like till I'm blowing, if I can do that
with my eyes closed, like that's that's my bread and butter.
But I'm also a normal human being that just does
normal shit and has normal conversations about normal things. And

(18:05):
I got to do a better job about incorporating that
type stuff. And then obviously, you know the lifeblood of
what I do. Like you here a college coach was
a life blood of what you do. He's like recruiting, Well,
it's my partners, the advertisers. So I'm very very involved
in that with our sales team, with our group, and
I take it very very seriously. So I would say

(18:27):
the lifeblood of me is the content. I'm going to
talk about it on a weekly and obviously during season
it's a lot of game reaction. And you know it's
ray Lewish Monday through Friday. You pay me Monday through Saturday.
Sunday's are for free, like you kind of pay me
for the six months that aren't the NFL season. You know,
the season is just a reactionary. If you can't do

(18:50):
good stuff in the middle of October, you know, I
might as well just close up shop. But I would
say content and ads are bread and butter when it
comes to numbers, Like I don't spend too much time.
I obviously look and am dialed in, but I'm not
overly aggressive with that type stuff. You know, Colin does
a television show, so like segments on television, they get

(19:14):
people to stay around. It's a little different than this.
I would say, that's why wouldn't me and him do
a podcast. We'll just talk about whatever like going on
in the NFL. There's no rhyme or reason there were
games that we wouldn't hit in the in if we
were doing a television show that on podcasts doesn't matter
as long as it's interesting. And I would say my
one philosophy is that I just try to talk about

(19:37):
things that I'm interested in. I don't fake anything, Like
I'm not doing some of these TV shows where I
have to pretend to care. If I don't care, I
won't talk about it. I mean, it's just it's a
pretty easy formula for me. And as I've gotten older
that I just realize there are things I just don't
care about on a given day, Like I'm just not
gonna talk about it because I truly don't care. But
if I get enough people ask me about it, I'm like, Okay,

(19:58):
I didn't care that much. Jonathan Gannon slapping De Marcado.
But then that's a good, you know, a good example
of a lot of people are talking about it, people
are asking me about it. I'm like, okay, let's talk
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(21:52):
Regarding your Titans ran on Monday, I felt a bit
compelled to respond on behalf of the fan base. Firing
variable was a polar decision, but one that I had
that made some football. Since Will Levis had shown some
legit flashes in twenty three and Vrabel had gone six
to eighteen in his last twenty four with low skilled
buddies commanding a pitiful offense back then, it truly did

(22:16):
feel like change was needed. Callahan was certainly not an improvement,
and I look forward to the team getting the next
high right, But I can't be too bitter about wanting
to pivot to a younger offensive mind. All that said,
who do you see as the right fit? But this
is the thing with a bad organization, like John Harbaugh
has gone through bad times, Mike Tomlin. I know they

(22:39):
technically never had a losing records, but clearly he's had
some teams that weren't that good, right, And when you
know you have something good, you go, we're gonna stand
by you. And yeah, forced Mike Rabel to fire his coach.
Now I don't know I have all the behind the
scenes information. If he goes I'm not firing him, you go, yeah, okay,
we're gonna have issues. But the big reason everyone reported

(23:03):
that they fired him is like he wasn't super happy
all the time and inclusive, and like you said, he
was losing. It's a production based business. But you're not
doing better than that. Like look at the other guys
that he replaced, Mike Mullarkey, Like look at some of
the coaches in UH over the past decade that you've
had run your franchise. They're an embarrassment. And yeah, Mike

(23:28):
kid a rough skid and he had to go with
Will Levis. I mean, who loved Will Levis ran Carthin
will Evis stinks, but I hear you. I mean, it's
it's not as black and white, maybe as I made
it out to be, but it's pretty clear even when
it happened, and I think a lot of us that

(23:48):
aren't too close to the sun went that seems a
little crazy to me. You're gonna fire him for Brian
Callahan who wasn't even calling place. That's what I That
was my point. You hired him. You know, this is
Mike McDaniel's thing is he's not the play caller. So
at least when you're getting a play caller and you
hire him as your head coach, like Liam Cohen, you

(24:09):
know he's gonna call the plays because you've seen him
call the plays, like we didn't know if Mike or
Zach Taylor could call the place. With UCLA winning back
to back games, is it more of an indictment on
how bad de Shaun Foster was or is it just
the team playing well for the interim? If you google
Tim Skipper, who I worked with at President State for

(24:31):
two years, Tim Skipper is one of the best coaches
I've ever been around. His command of the players is elite.
Now not shocking. His dad decades in the NFL as
a coach, his brother decades in the NFL as a coach.
His brother is currently the running back coach for the
Buffalo Bills, James Cook. You ever heard of him doing

(24:54):
pretty well? And those guys have been around football their
entire life. Tim Skipper as a star middle linebacker at
Fresne State. His brother was a star running back at
Fresno State. Those guys are football men. And when you're
just a player and then you kind of get into
coaching and all of a sudden you're the head coach.
Tim Skipper has been an assistant coach from everywhere from

(25:15):
Sack State to Fresno State to the University of Florida.
He's seen it all NFL players from the first round
to the seventh round coordinators that are now in the NFL.
In college football head coaches, I mean, he played with
Lane Kiffen, worked for Pat Hill, worked for Jim mcklewain,
worked for Jeff Tedford, so his experience level. And then

(25:39):
last year he was because Tedford quit in the summer,
he got to be the head coach for a year
on a staff that he didn't hire any of them
and he just had to run it. And at one
point in time, I think they were like six and three,
or maybe they were five and three. They had some
injuries and they finished five hundred. But it's one it's
hard to win at Fresno State. He's getting this players poascht.
Tim Skippers has a lot more experience, Like he's seen

(26:02):
how to operate ten different type team meetings, good teams,
bad teams, in the middle teams, teams that need a boost,
knows how to run a practice. So the experience in
Deshaun Foster is like I think Deshaun said this like
he's like a third or four Skipper brother because his dad,
Tim Skipper's dad or maybe was Skipper's brother, coached him

(26:23):
at UCLA. I forget it might have been his brother.
But he knows the family really well, like Tim is
very tight with Deshan Foster. But in terms of who
can coach better, like, it's it's not even fair. There's
no way he could know how to do everything as
well as Tim Skipper. It's literally impossible. Doesn't mean if
he had been an assistant for ten more years couldn't

(26:44):
have figured it out and got that, but right, now
in twenty twenty five, it's not a fair fight. So
I think there's an experience level in coaching football that
can't be duplicated. It really can't. Some guys like Vrabel's
a good example. You know, Vrabel played for a long
time in the NFL, and the way he played in

(27:05):
the NFL was a lot like a coach, right. He
was working hand in hand with Belichick, from Romeo Crenell
to some of those guys. So his teaching as a player,
so by the time he gets into coaching in his
late thirties early forties, he had a unique background that way,
and he started at the bottom. He just went right
to Ale State, started working in the gutter and kind

(27:26):
of worked his way up position coach, defensive coordinator, like
it took a little while. Deshaun Foster like went from
first base to home plate pretty quick and clearly was
over his head. Do you think the Falcons are slowing
Pennock's growth by running almost their entire offense out of
the pistol. I like it as part of the offense,
but they used it the entire game. It came up

(27:46):
Monday night during the broadcast when Arlowski said they're mainly
doing it because Bijeon feels like he gets a lot
better vision. Thoughts, well, Bjeon's a better player. So if
Bijeon goes coach, I like being in the shot, or
I like being in the pistol because it allows me
to see more. Pennicks ain't Peyton. So if Penix goes, well, hey, coach,

(28:10):
I'd rather do this than that. You're going with Jon
Robinson and he busts eighty yard runs, He's gonna get
the benefit of doubt the end of the day. Production
based business, and the guy's produced at the highest level.
Who happens to be your best player. You gotta gotta
figure it out around him. Now over time, I think
you work with them both. But I have a hard

(28:31):
time arguing if Bijeon says I have better vision on
those plays, not doing those plays because he's so good.
It's like, okay, runs coming stop me. You probably won't.
In your opinion, why is losing in football so much
more gut wrenching than losing in other sports. Our teams
lose all the time in hockey, basketball, and baseball, and

(28:54):
we move on. But in football it is much more devastating.
In the scars of Super Bowl or playoff losses Linger forever.
There's only one game a week, baby. Football's greatest asset
is scarcity and in these other sports. In baseball, you
can have weeks where you literally play every day. You

(29:15):
play over and over and over and over. So just
by the nature of the sport, an individual game is devalue.
It's like when you you know, hear the you know,
one hundred and six to two game season. So if
you go on a ten game winning streak, it's like
winning one game in football. If you go on a
twenty game winning streak, it's like winning back to back

(29:37):
football games. In basketball, if you win ten straight games,
do the math, I mean, it's it's like winning two
games in football. So I think part of it is
the build up of a football game, you know it.
Let's face it, we all think it's pretty crazy to
play these Thursday night games because you basically don't get
to practice. Lebron James t tas having practice in the

(30:01):
regular season in a decade. In football, it's you know,
beside the Thursday night game, there is not a team
in the league that doesn't practice Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
Even when you have injuries. In the regular season, you
are practicing Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. The whole sport is built
around practicing way more than you're playing. It's what makes

(30:22):
the games like if you don't try hard in the games,
like they're the only fun part. I only made it
to high school football, but everything about football beside the
game kind of sucks, Like you got to be a sicko,
you know, like Peyton or you know, Jerry Rice or
some of these guys, Like I loved practice. Most guys

(30:43):
you meet, they're like, yeah, I just I knew I
needed it to get ready, But I love the games,
uh practice, especially back in the double days, you know,
Era You're like, I don't. I don't know if I
love just double days and one hundred and ten. That's
not really what I'm looking forward to. But you walk
out of the tunnel, whether it's a high school game,
where it's a college game, was it's an NFL game, Yeah,

(31:05):
I can't. I've never played in the NFL. I can't
imagine a lot of those guys. There's a little kid
there's also there's an anxiety behind it. There's a little
kid feeling behind it, and there's just nothing like that
feeling of making a play, making a block or whatever
in the sport in an actual game, and it's really
meaningfuls why scoring a touchdown is a really big deal.
Shooting a three point shot or hitting a home run,

(31:25):
like just isn't that big a deal. If you're a
good player, you have a defining moment in your scouting career.
Did you ever scout a guy you were high on
but everyone else said you were wrong? You know, for
a couple of years as the in house guy, I
had some ideas and takes. I don't know if they

(31:47):
really cared what they were. And then I only did truly,
you know. I went on the road some little schools.
They threw me a couple I would say slivers when
I was working in the office. And then my third
year I got the actual coach coast, which was the
PAC twelve the Mountain West Colorado. At the time, who
there would have been in the PAC twelve, But trying

(32:07):
to think utep, I had a pretty big area, I
would say twofold one. I'll never forget watching Trent Richardson
in college and everyone and again, no one will remember this,
no one will believe me, But I was like, I
don't think this guy's that good, and I remember hearing
people like, no, he's the best running back in the class.
I just remember thinking, but there was Andrew Sandejo that

(32:29):
played for a long time. My second year, I had
this this league called the UFL, and and yeah, I
just said, like this, Andrew Sendejo, guy could could play.
And Lewis Riddick, who was our pro director at the time,
kind of laughed at me. Andrew Sineo just went on
to have a ten year career. I do remember one
time Tyler Klutz, who wasn't even in the system for

(32:53):
the Eagles because he was like a two hundred and
twenty pound defensive end. He went to the UFL, he
became a full back. Then he went to the NFL.
He started for the Cowboys, and I remember in the
UFL when people were working him out and I looked
at Howie and I said, I will give up my
year's salary, which at the time was like forty five
thousand dollars if this guy makes it in the NFL.

(33:15):
And I'm pretty sure the Cowboys signed him like a
week later, and my cousin played with Tyler Klets at
Friston State. I just the guy changed positions and think
it was gonna work, and it kind of did. I
think he played for the Bears too, I mean he
played in the NFL for a minute. Charger fan, I
haven't given up on the season by any means, especially
with the guys coming back. I think we can at
least win a playoff game, maybe more. However, the future

(33:36):
am I biased? Thinking the Chargers have one of the
best five year outlooks in the AFC. Top five quarterback,
two all Pro tackles, assuming Slater comes back and plays
well again. When you have major injuries, I think you
never know. At this point in time, I would say
you got all that. That's pretty good, really good defense,
great coaches. Yeah, I would say I would feel pretty

(33:57):
good about my five year outlook. This year could be
pretty or miss. I mean they had to pull game
out of you know what to just beat the Dolphins,
and I just you're missing that many players. To me,
it's the two tackles and the running backs. Like it's
one thing to lose one of the two running back,
you lose both Nase and Hampton. You give Nagi ten

(34:17):
million dollars, you drafted Hampton the first round and Slater
and Alt are gone. I don't care who you are.
I know they're throwing it a lot more now. But
we know Jim Harmon wants to wants to call run plays.
I know he's out the play caller, but telling Greg
to do it. So yeah, man, I uh, I was impressed.
I would say this if they get somewhat healthy, you know,

(34:39):
Khalil Mack comes back, Joalt comes back, Hampton comes back.
Let's say they don't win the division, right, and I
doubt that. I doubt would be strong. But let's say
it's a fifty to fifty chance either the Chiefs or
Broncos probably more than that win the division, not the Chargers.
Would the Colts or the Steelers want to see the
Chargers in the first round? I don't know Saints fan

(35:02):
here from Tennessee. A lot of my family are Titans fans.
With the recent firing of Brian Callahan, it's hard not
to compare a short tenure in Tennessee to Mike Vrabels.
Both were first time head coaches, but they had completely
different results. As a Saints fan, I'm curious do you
see any patterns in Kellen Moore. That might hint at

(35:24):
whether he's more likely to be a Vrabel or a Callahan.
Well know, you know what's funny about Kellen Moore. He's
like a quarterback an athlete. Hell played in the NFL.
Yet I like him a lot, But sometimes I get
this when I'm not eating healthy kind of get that.
He does not have the Jimmy Garoppolo jaw line like me.

(35:44):
His face can get a little chubby. He does not.
If you just looked at him, you wouldn't think like
this guy's one of the great college quarterbacks of all time,
holds NCAA records. I had a front row seat to
him for a couple of years. Guy was a fucking baller.
I mean, I don't think I do believe this. Kellen
Moore is the most underappreciated college football player of the

(36:04):
last twenty five years. He was so good. And then obviously,
I mean he's five foot eleven, he's got a weak arm.
He dominated in college at Boise State, And I would
say this about Kellen Moore that's different from Brian Kellyan.
But you know, Rabol part of Rabel is I'm just
a badass ass kicker. I'm like a more accomplished Dan Campbell.

(36:28):
I'm the Dan Campbell on steroids, right, and like Kellen
Moore doesn't bring that to the table. But what he
does bring is he's been a play caller for a
long time for a lot of different players. He's called
plays for Dak, He's called plays for Justin Herbert, He's
called plays for Jalen Hurts. Brian Callahan never did. So
I'm watching them unlessen, their team's not that good. They

(36:50):
got a long way to go. Spencer Ratler's pretty good,
and their offense looks good. Well, who's the offensive architect
of the team, Kellen Moore, So I would feel pretty
good like my guy has a distinct skill. He can
call plays. I would say the same thing about the Cowboys,
Like Listen, it's gonna be on Jerry and the front
office to like nail some defensive players, especially the d

(37:14):
lyman in the draft over the next couple of years.
But one thing, Brian Callahan showing like Dak likes him,
and he's a good offensive play car. So think how
many like li'sten. What we say about Syrianny, well, Sirianni
is a great leader, Well yeah, because he had good
players like if he had a shitty GM instead of
Howie Roseman that leadership, Like, what's he doing next to
those wise? Well, I can't call him place. It's always

(37:35):
my knock on Syrian, What do you mean can't call Blaze?
He just can't do it? You mean cannot No, like
incapable of doing it. Brian Callahan, can Kellen Moore, can
Kelli Moore literally was his guy, and they've falling off
the cliffs as he left. People think I'm shitting on Sirianni.
Like I do respect him. It's a hard job, a
lot of pressure, but like he just incapable call him place.

(37:57):
It's one thing like John Harbaugh is like a sixty
four year old special teams coach, Like yeah, okay, I
get it. But sirian is like a forty four year
old offensive guy wide former wide receiver. As a twenty
seven year old Dolphins fan, I've witnessed nothing but mediocrity
for most of my life. The last time they won

(38:18):
a playoff game was in two thousand and I was
barely coherent. I need someone to explain to me how
Greer still has a job. He joined the organization as
a scout in two thousand and worked his way up
to GM in twenty sixteen after nine years of mediocre management.
It's baffling how a he's still here. In any other job,

(38:38):
he would have been fired long time ago. The organization
is the jambles, and now two is blaming everyone else
in the press conferences. That was incredible. I hate this organization.
The media is right. This team is soft, and it
starts at the top of the ross. The old man
can't even be cutthroat to fire the right people. I
think a lot of people believe that he has like
a you know, it's like I go back and forth

(39:00):
worth on this the old illuminati, but there is no
disputing that in Hollywood and some of these some of
these circles and like the music industry, that people get
dirt on you, and in politics it happens and they
blackmail you, and you have to do what they tell
you to do, right. And I a lot of people

(39:22):
on some dark Reddit streets which I'm sure you've read,
believe that Chris Greer has things on Steven Ross and
one of them is legitimately the the I almost said
Brian Callahan Brian Flores situation, like he has intimate knowledge
of him. Did he try to pay him one hundred
grand to lose games? Are their text messages that he
could release? Does he happen by the balls? Because if

(39:43):
he does, like Welcome to America, that's the way it works.
And he's got the owner because clearly he's not any good,
no clue what he's doing. And I would say this
organization just needs a complete nuke job. The problem is
Stephen Ross still hiring everybody. So it feels like Steven
Austin Woody Johnson are that Spider Man meme where they're
pointing at each other right now, which is crazy because

(40:05):
you can bind those two guys like they have so
much money. They're in New York and Miami. These should
be prominent NFL franchise. And I think the thing the
league benefits from the most that I'm recording this late
afternoon on on Tuesday. I think the Dodgers play the Brewers.
Baseball is very dependent on like the Yankees, the Red Sox,

(40:26):
the Cubs, the Dodgers. If it's like Tampa, Milwaukee, Seattle,
like they're gonna have problems basketball is the same way
they would gladly have Oklahoma City suck. So the Lakers,
and the Warriors and the Knicks and the Bulls could
be good. They would do. Football does not matter. It
could be the Lions versus the Bills. It could be
the Chiefs, you know, versus the Packers. The market share

(40:50):
doesn't have to be New York. It doesn't have to
be San Francisco. Chicago hasn't. They've had like two good
teams in our last twenty years. And that's where football
really benefits in this situation, because, yeah, I don't know
what else to say. There are a lot of big
market teams that are just not pulling their weight. Vikings
Fan here and I got a Lions related question. With

(41:14):
Jared Goff approaching ten years in the league, if you
were a Lion's front office, would you start to consider
drafting a quarterback the next few drafts and use the
Green Bay strategy in developing a quarterback. Let's see how
old Jared Goff is. Jared Goff is thirty one years old.

(41:36):
With the protection of the NFL all with quarterbacks, he
could have another five six years easy. Obviously their offensive
line is good. I think you're always in the business
of drafting and developing a quarterback. But if you're the
Lions and you are in this win now mode. I
don't think you would waste a first round pick on them.

(41:58):
But let's even go in the second round. Well, it's like,
what if I get a starting safety or defensive back
or defensive tackle or offensive guard. It's easy to talk
yourself out of it now. I think once you get
to like the fourth fifth round, I have no problem
drafting you know, a Kyle McCord, a Tanner McKee. Those
type guys, right, And I know some of them went
in different rounds. Kirk Cousins type. Yeah. I mean, I'm

(42:20):
not against it, but I think for the Lions in
their current situation, I would have a hard time taking
a quarterback. I don't know in the first three rounds.
Maybe you could justify it in the third round. Their
backups Kyle Allen, I mean, their backup's pretty If Kyle

(42:41):
Allen has to play, they'd be in trouble. But that's
kind of the Tom Moore thing. Peyton Mannon takes all
the reps. Well, why doesn't the backup take the reps?
Because if Peydon goes down, we're screwed, and we don't
practice screwed. I use the PG version on that on
the way, I just the adjective I used. Tom Moore
used the f worce to Gruden when he asked because

(43:01):
Peyton Many never didn't take a rep Yo John watching
since the start of last season, always tuned in for
each episode, was wondering your thoughts on how you maintain
a non biased look at teams throughout the season playoffs
after having worked in the NFL with certain organizations, you
secretly have a favorite team nobody knows or are you

(43:22):
like Rob Low wearing the NFL logo hat. Because this
is not a passion project for me and hasn't been
since I started in the podcast world. The only thing
that mattered is like I needed to do this to
feed my family that I didn't have at the time.
But it was like, this is gonna be my profession.
And I never understand how media doesn't understand the business

(43:46):
element of it. And luckily, like through getting fired in radio,
I had to do like kind of look in the mirror,
like I don't understand the way that business works enough
so I become pretty numb to it all obviously, Like
and the other thing is like I'm not in Collins
said this forever, Like I'm not in the right and
wrong business, Like I don't care if I'm wrong. I

(44:08):
just give my opinion at the time. If Kayleb Williams
becomes a superstar, it's like, yeah, I'll acknowledge it. I mean,
I don't care. I hope he does. I want more
quarterbacks and more players or more coaches to be awesome.
But the only thing that matters is the entertainment value
of what's going on and what my opinions are based

(44:29):
on the situations. I'm in the reaction business. Stories. I
don't create the stories, right, I mean, I've really I'm
not a story breaker. Even though your boy with the
Belichick and the scouts, you know, kind of created a firestorm.
But the only reason I did that is I was
reacting to a story that Pete Damil read on the
Monday night football game for North Carolina. Like, I'm not
into chasing around texting people for inside information. I do

(44:52):
not care. I'm reacting to stories that come out and
I get my opinion, and the more people enjoy that
and the entertain I don't care. You know, I if
you told me revenue would quadruple and listeners would five
x if I if I just talked about the Jags
every single day, I would wouldn't hesitate to start tomorrow.

(45:15):
This is like there's no the emotion in this business,
which can be sad like I miss some of that.
I grew up loving the forty nine ers, like I
still root for them, I guess, but if when they lose,
I don't really it's like whatever, h Now, I can
be emotionally moved like I felt for Fred Warner, like
I'm probably more emotionally moved from his injury than most

(45:36):
other injuries. But like when I have to talk about
it's like, yeah, I don't care like they forty nine
ers get mad at me for thinking like and I'm like, guys,
I'm not like I'm not an enemy here, but and
people get mad at me in the NFL. And the
one thing I, you know, say to whoever does get
mad at me, is like I put my name on

(45:57):
everything I say. You know, every single in the NFL, coaches, GMS, scouts,
they're talking shit about everyone constantly, but they never have
to put their name on it. Everything I say is
sourced John, you know. So I just this is a business,
and I think all of you guys can relate what
any industry you work in, you know, construction, the booze business,

(46:21):
the food business. As you get older and you know,
especially I'm pretty numbers and financially motivated, I guess that
I just become numb to it all. Now I'm still
into it, and I'm still emotionally moved by the sport
of football and the stories. But I can navigate it
pretty easy, I think without like I just I don't

(46:43):
have any bias or agenda to this. I will change
my opinion if new information comes out. I don't care
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(48:32):
Why aren't some teams discussing the same way they eventually
going best? Why aren't some teams discussed the same way
even though they are going through the same issues. The
Bills have lost two straight games with horrible offensive games.
The Eagles also are going through the same issues, but
for the Eagles it's Hert's fault offensive coordinator player. For

(48:53):
the Bills, it's they're gonna bounce back because they have
Josh Allen. I just feel there needs to be consistent
analysis on the team performances because Josh Allen's a way
better player than Justin Herbert or excuse me, Jalen hurts
when you're Patrick Mahomes and when you're Josh Allen and
Lamar Jackson and Burrow when he's healthy. They don't get
evaluated on a game to game basis. They're the elites.
They run the fucking league. I get this a lot.

(49:17):
It's like Steph Curry can have a zero for twelve
seven point game. They're not opening the shows the next
day like as Steph washed. It's not the way it works.
And I understand Jalen won the Super Bowl last year
and was awesome, but I think we all agree, like
he's not nearly close to the top guys on a
week to week basis in the regular season, has some

(49:37):
great playoff games, and we respect him. He's a super
Bowl champion for life, but like he ain't Josh Allen
and Howie Roseman would trade Jalen Hurts straight up for
Josh Allen yesterday. So it's like, we don't evaluate these
guys every snap they take. Now, if Josh Allen has
a god awful season, then that's another conversation. But he's

(49:59):
not gonna get discussed like he's Dak Prescott or Jalen
Hurts or Jared Goff. Those days are done. Why he's
a much better player? Can we all agree with that? Like?
Is that? Even? So? The reason Jalen gets discussed like
he gets discussed because he has these shitty performances all
the time, and unlike a lot of these guys is

(50:19):
he's like won a super Bowl. It's like, what is
going on? I think a lot of people would have
thought coming off the Super Bowl that Jalen would be
like an MVP candidate for the next several years, one
of the best players in the league, and he clearly
is not. So it's like, what are we what conversation? Oh,
he's fine, He's fine. How like he sure doesn't look fine.

(50:40):
Like it's it's in his resume based on the course
of like four years, there's a lot of ups and downs.
So yeah, like Jalen Hurts is a super Bowl Josh
Allens is not. What do you think would happen if
Josh Allen's on the Eagles these last four years? I'm
not discussing Josh Allen on a weekly basis. Every team

(51:01):
beside the Chiefs would take Josh Allen seven days a
week and seventy five times on Sunday. And we all
know this anyone with common sense. A lot of teams
would not want to trade for Jalen Hurts. And that's
not just the teams that have like Patrick Mahomes and
Lamar Jackson. The Chargers would laugh, would laugh. The Washington Commanders,

(51:22):
who are in their division, they wouldn't do that in
a million years. And again that's what makes the conversational.
That's why he's a polarizing player because I could say
that out loud. Can you imagine, like, yeah, the Washington
Commanders wouldn't trade Jayden Danis for Patrick Mahomes You're like,
what did you just say? Repeat that? But if I

(51:44):
said the Washington Commanders would not trade Jane Danis for
Jalen Hurts, but yeah, of course not, I wouldn't either.
I know we're in the trenches of the football season,
but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the Kawhi
Leonard and the Clipper situation that the NBA seems to
have brushed on the rug. How do you think the
NFL would respond to the Caps are convention versus the
NBA seemingly trying to cover it up. Uh. I think

(52:10):
the NBA situation doesn't parallel the NFL because one individual
player like Kawhi, he's like your quarterback, and then your
five next best players, they're so much more powerful. I
think it's pretty clear. Like I've listened to a decent
amount of Pablo went on my guy Ethan Strauss's podcast,

(52:31):
and I've seen some clips as he's continued to investigate it,
Like you would have to be really, really naive to
think a lot of shady shit didn't go down, and
maybe it could have been his uncle running point on it,
and Kawhi wasn't like, didn't have intimate knowledge of it all,
but money was getting funneled to them one way or
the other. I think part of the reason is a

(52:55):
lot of stuff like this happens in the NBA and
one guy is treated like there you know, we say
quarterback is the most famous. Like I think these NBA
stars when it comes to their financial mechanisms surrounding them,
they're like many Amazons and many Googles, like the business

(53:15):
of Lebron the business and stuff core. The Kawhi plays
like one game a month, and look at how they've
treated them. But do I believe they did shady stuff?
Of course they do. But I think part of the
problem is, are we gonna start looking at everybody like
a Joe Lacup. Could we take a peek at some
of the stuff you've done over the years with that

(53:37):
silicon valley in your backyard? How you funneled everybody money
or have you? I don't know. Can we take a
look the nick? I mean, Jalen Brunson just took a
huge pay cut a year ago, a massive pay cut.
Were their promises made? And I don't even care? It
doesn't bother me. Here's the other thing, Well, the Kawhi

(53:58):
story is clearly, you'd have to be pretty naive to
not go like, they're pretty big red flag. They never won,
they never did anything because they got into business. You know.
It's one thing I think this would be a bigger
story if this was Joannis, if this was Jokic, if
this was Steph, if this was Lebron, It's like, hey, guys,

(54:19):
you're kicking our ass. You got the best player. It's like,
I wouldn't even want Kawhi. How many gms would be
like would you want to be in business with Kwai? No?
Have them give them aspirations or invitations or whatever. That
fuck that company's called funnel him and we don't care
because when we play you usually he's in street close

(54:40):
with some injury ice in his knee that only he
knows about because he doesn't talk to anybody. What an
awful business partner. I think about this all the time, Like,
do you know how good the Chiefs have it? They're
in business with Patrick Mahomes, you know, great of a
business partner it is for them, how easy it is
to deal with them, Like that's who you want to be,
you know, awesome it is for the Warriors to be
in business with Steph Curry. It doesn't the Yankees with

(55:02):
Aaron Judge, Like, if I'm gonna pay or show heyo Tani.
If I'm gonna pay premiums and go above and beyond it,
you shady shit. I want all the returns. It's sports.
You know We're not guaranteed to win anything on a
yearly basis. Right. Besides, if I'm paying, like I have
a minimum standard, like we should be in the playoffs.
But like, how good of a business partner are you?

(55:24):
Do you maintain your stardom? Do you play a lot?
Do you move the needle? Do you generate me a
lot of money? And I just don't think you can
say that about Kawhi. I think Kawhi has run him
and Uncle Dennis over these last five years. And listen
when he's on. He's a fantastic player and his resume
speaks for itself. But holy shit, I can't think of
a guy with his talent. I'd rather be in business

(55:45):
with less. I mean, what a pain. And now you
bring this because you have to do this stuff to
get get in business. But I think we all agree
that something happened. Would you call it? Mike Zimmer to
replace Eberflus didn't. Didn't Zimmer get fired last year with McCarthy,
I don't think. It kind of feels like Zimmer's just retired.

(56:05):
I had a buddy who was on zimmer staff years ago,
said he didn't like him, thought he was a raging
ahle that Zimmer used to be on tender. You know,
Zimmer's wife died of cancer like a decade ago, and
then he started dating around like younger chicks and he
was on the internet apps. Question looks like Glenn is

(56:26):
in over his head. We're gonna have a top pick
in a decent quarterback class. I think it's just important
to have a competent head coach in place, otherwise the
quarterback pick will be a waste. I don't want the
Jets to be like the Titans, firing everyone every year.
If Glenn doesn't show signs of improvement, I hope we
get a veteran coach like Stefanski. I think Glenn's getting

(56:49):
several years former Jet It was a big deal hiring him.
I said this at the time, like people thought the
res flirtation and Rex was really interested with the job
would have been crazy. I actually think there's no way
they would be this battle Rex Ryan. I just do
not believe it. Now, you could argue a ceiling, what's

(57:10):
Aaron Glenn's ceiling? Rex knew what he was doing. I
do think looking back, like if I was the Jets,
I just would have given Rex like a three year contract,
just be like, guess in the right direction. Why do
you hate Brandon Saley the way you talk about the
way you talk about him, he should be coaching pee
wee games. I'm not saying Buddy Ryan. I'm not saying

(57:31):
he's Buddy Ryan. But he did coach the Rams, who
number one defense in twenty twenty. There's no bigger fugazi
than football in twenty twenty. I mean, you could argue,
depending on where you live, it's one of the great
fugazis of all time, but non football. But football wise,
come on, in California, couldn't have fucking a soul in
the building, empty stadiums. It was a joke Brandon Staley.

(57:55):
Growing up in California, I can sniff out a fraud
pretty well. Our politicians the biggest clowns in the history
of America. And to me, when I watched Brandon Staley
talk to the media, I went, this guy is gotta
be one of the biggest frauds of all time. And
then I had friends who worked with him at different
places and said, he's the biggest know at all I've
ever been around. Last year, Kyle Shanahan couldn't. First off,

(58:18):
he deserves criticism for hiring in the first place. Kyle,
I know you don't have my number, but if you did,
text me, I could have told you that's moronic. By
like Game three, couldn't stand him because he'd lookout pregame
and Brandon Staley's talking to all the media members. He
is just your classic brown noser trying to play the game.
Look at the Saints this year. They are atrocious on defense,

(58:39):
and I get it. Kellen Moore felt a little obligated.
Staley threw him a bone after State after you know,
he was fired by the Cowboy, so he took care
of him in this situation. That's listen, that's kind of
the way business works. He stinks. I think he's an
awful coach, I really do, and I think you or
I would have had a decent chance in two thousand

(59:00):
twenty the Fugazi season to coach Aaron Donald in his
prime in Jalen Ramsey in a league where all these
other teams couldn't practice. I mean, it was a joke.
So if that's your claim to fame, and then I
watch you speak, it's like it's just I can disagree
with Andrew Berry and the way he views football. He

(59:21):
views football like a bunch of widgets. I can disagree
with that, But when I watch Andrew Berry talk, I
don't view him as like a fraud. Let's go we
have Philosophically, I'm different than Andrew Berry, and I understand Tomlin,
you know, sticking up for the integrity of the business.
But like I respect Andrew Berry, I respect most people

(59:42):
in this profession. Until I hear this. If I've worked
with you and I think you're a fraud, I mean
I can't stand you. But like I have pretty good
sources in the NFL, and when I hear things for
me to go in and a guy like I feel
pretty confident. I feel pretty confident. Like when Colin over
the years has gone in on guys players like he's

(01:00:03):
getting pretty high level people reiterating these thoughts to him
that work in the leagues. So it's like some of
my thoughts, like they come out of my mouth, but
they are constructed based on other people's information that I
trust from a professional standpoint to the highest degree. So

(01:00:26):
I just think he's an all time fraudulent coach who's
just scamming different teams out of millions of dollars. It's funny,
you know, you turn on First Take, or you turn
on some of these shows, they just shit on players.
If you play in the league and maybe this, like
you turn on Shannon Sharp and Ocho Sinko, they will
just ship on players. I respect players, man, It is

(01:00:48):
so hard to make it to the NFL. It is
so hard to do it unlessen No one wants to fumble.
So it's not too as Faulty has a weak arm.
He's got a weak arms. That's not being critical, it's
just a fact. But I respect how like he's He's
dramatically I would say increased the way that I view
him over the last couple of years. Have a lot
of respect for stuff. One'te of him is my quarterback,

(01:01:08):
but I respect him. There are a lot of coaches
I think that, and scouts too. You hear stories like
these guys are these got are scam artists in any
business where there is a ton of money on the line,
a ton of the amount of money this off season
between the NFL and college that is going to be
available is probably going to be historic, and that includes coordinators,

(01:01:33):
so you start getting huge sums of cash. Not everyone
that gravitates to it is the Hardbob Brothers, Mike Tomlin,
Andy Reid, and Pete Carroll. It's a lot of guys
that have no business being anywhere close to it. But
they're just they're frauds and they're politicians. It's like they're

(01:01:53):
a fake human. It's like, I don't believe they're real.
Well done that. That's a good way to have a
great day. Talked to everyone, soon, see you later the
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