3 & Out - Week 13 Reaction: Josh Allen & Saquon top MVP candidates, 49ers are DONE, Rodgers' Future

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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a good turkey soup. It's one of those holidays where
you just eat this stuff mixed with different dishes, ham
and eggs, never ends. Uh, But it's over now. We
gotta we gotta get a full body clip this week.
Kind of like the forty nine ers who just got

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destroyed by the Bills, who I think you see a
Super Bowl contender and a team headed to the toilet
because their season looks bad, awful and over. So does
Christian McCaffrey, who got hurt and who knows we'll see
him again this year next year? Who knows? So? Not

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good times to be on the forty nine ers. Josh
Allen dominates Bills Purty as issues, so we'll dive into
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guess most people would consider me a forty nine Ers fan.
I think my fandom is a lot different at forty
years old than it definitely was when I was growing up. Also,
given what I do like, I would take a great story,
a great podcast, more people listening that. That to me

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is way more important than the forty nine ers winning
and losing. Though I want them to win, I was
excited to watch them try to make it back to
the super Bowl. But this season, and most people in
my life, my fiance, to most of my friends, to
most people I'm on text chains with from California are

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massive forty nine er fans. And this season, like officially tonight,
with the Buffalo Bills put the I mean, the Packers
really started it, like they started kicking the forty nine
ers when they were down, and it felt like the
the Buffalo Bills came off the top rope gave them
like the people's elbow, and then they climbed back to

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the top rope and they did it again, and then
they were like, one more time, We'll just climb back
and we'll jump on you. And it was tough to watch.
It reminded me a little bit of especially tonight, because
you were just by the time that I had finished
recording with Colin, I had gone out to the living
room where the game was on, there was like five
minutes left in the first quarter. I look at Maria,

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I'm like, how do they look. She's like, actually, they
looked pretty good. It's three nothing, Christian's already broken off
a big run. They look like they have some life.
And then within the next ten to fifteen minutes. The
game completely flipped Christian McCaffrey's season, and I think career
now are fair to be in question. We'll give to
that in a minute, but I feel like the forty

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nine ers are a lot like Mike Tyson, the guy
we witnessed on Netflix fighting one of the Paul Brothers,
where the reason we all watched at least anyone of age,
Like I miss Mike Tyson in the eighties, in the
prime prime, but like Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, some of
the mid nineties craziness were I don't think Iron Mike
was still the same, but he was still pretty good.

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And you're just hoping, like Kenny, just can we just
see one right and knock this motherfucker into oblivion? And
then you realize immediately you're like, yeah, this guy's like
fifty eight years old, can barely move. Honestly, He's more
likely to have a heart attack or get sick in
the ring than he is to connect with a powerful right.
And that's what I feel like when I'm watching the

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forty nine ers, I'm hoping I can get some version
of this team that I've watched the last several years
that wasn't just a contender. I mean they were clearly
one of the best teams in the league. They could
beat you anyway. As Collins were said tonight, like I've
seen this team go into Bay and frigid conditions and
win a freaking night playoff game as a big underdog,

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and now you watch them in this snow game, they
look completely overmatched. Now clearly this is the season from hell.
Like Mike Tyson is fifty eight years old, who's had
a million injuries, who struggled to train because he got sick,
like it was kind of understandable. Somewhat is understandable. You
got Nick Boson Trent Williams, two of the best players
in the league nowhere to be found. You have Christian

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McCaffery whose season begins with double achilles tendonitis, and now
he goes down, immediately takes himself out of the game.
They claim it's a knee. You know, this thing going
viral on the internet made it look like an achilles
regardless what it is. I feel pretty comfortable saying his
season is over and dependent on the severity of this

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that we get over the next twenty four to forty
eight hours like, what's his career going to look like
moving forward? Because I thought this whole season, like just
play the achilles is gonna rip. It's gonna rip. We
see it all the time because you get all these
other injuries because you're overcompensating. It happens time and time
again before the actual injury happens. And then you see

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tonight and I don't think we're seeing him the rest
of the season, And I think the question mark is
can he ever get back to that twenty three guy?
And if he can't, it's a problem for the forty
nine ers. They just extended and guaranteed him a lot
of money. They gave Brandon Ayuk a lot of money.
He had his knee shattered. Trent Williams, who is legitimately
injured right now, Like it's not just a problem that

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he's injured, Like he's a problem for the forty nine
ers because he's a star left tackle and he's thirty five,
thirty six years old, Like they need to find his replacement.
But organizationally, philosophically, the way they build the team, they
don't even believe in fucking offensive lineman. They take wide
receivers in dbs Kyle's like, will does out scheme you

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well as you saw tonight, you can't just outscheme everyone forever.
The NFL, more than college, is about the ex's in
the os. But you still need some Jimmy's and the Joe's.
And you're watching this team be a shell of himself,
get to live and crap kicked out of him week
in week out, like super Bowl hangover. It's not a
super Bowl hangover. It's just this team fell apart. They

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just came apart at the seams, all their best players,
their body stopped working, they got injured. But if Christian
McCaffrey's body's gonna stop working, Like, that's a problem for
the forty nine ers when they give Brandon Ayuk one
hundred million dollar contract and his leg get shatters, Like,
what are you gonna do? Depend on Ricky Piersall who
got fucking shot the week before the season. The doctor

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said ninety nine out of one hundred people that are
in that situation die. Tarvarius Ward, I mean, just the
situation from hell with his daughter. There's just I don't
even know what to say. I'm at a loss, but
I expect this team to lose moving forward, which at
this point it does not listen. The best part about

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the NFL and the best part about the sport of football.
Anyone can win whenever. It's why the game is dominating
our lives. When it comes to dedicating time NBA ratings
in the tank Baseball, no one watches a pitch till
the playoffs, and if it's not Yankees Dodgers in the
World Series, those ratings aren't that high. We consume football

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because we know every single game, college or pro, anyone
can win. You're getting everyone's best effort. But at this
point in time, like the forty nine, ers are better
losing out because winning seven or eight games when you're
not going to the playoffs does you no good. There
is a big difference of having the eighth or ninth
pick in the draft than having the fifteenth or sixteenth,

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because it's not just the first round, it's literally every round.
And sometimes when your season just falls apart and you
still have some pieces like there are still some unknown
like it, can Trent be healthy? Is he going to
be at a high level moving forward? At his age?
You know you got to get Bosa healthy. Who knows.
With McCaffrey, I think we got major question marks. You
didn't just tear his ACL like it was a major

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multiple ligament injury, so can he come back? Like obviously
there are question marks there, but maybe this draft. You know,
if you have top ten picks in every round, you
know you can turn it around fast in the NFL.
But this season is an utter disaster. I mean, at
this point in time, it's kind of an embarrassment. But
one variable that has to change because in football, like

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in life, like in any industry that you or I
work in, you have to be fluid. You can't get
stuck with an idea that you had a year ago
or two years ago and get new information and not
pivot right. You can love a stock one year and
three years later you want no part of it. And
I've always said brock Perty is a good player. He

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really is. He's a good player. But you, Josh Allen,
is what a max quarterback looks like. That is what
a guy looks like that you are willing to give
fifty sixty million dollars a year and have no hesitation
when you give one of the biggest contracts in the NFL.
And obviously he's a freaks freak he is I think

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one of the most talented players in the history of
the NFL. And he's in this bucket with a couple
other guys that are max players you don't even hesitate.
Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert and those
are guys and Joe Burrow that you just pay premiums

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and you don't even think. You never second guess it
because you never have to. With those guys, even with
their bad games, they are the type guys you want
anytime that you are thinking about giving a guy fifty
or sixty million, and you have to question, like, I
don't think my guy's as good as those guys until

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I absolutely have to and impressed I'm not doing it.
And with Brock Purdy at this point in time, and
again this isn't he's a fine player, right. I think
he's better than a lot of the media talks about him.
And he's probably not as good as the way that
Kyle and internally they hyped him up to be. But
he's a guy that can, I would say, funnel in

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and out of somewhere between the seventh eighth best guy
and fifteen sixteenth, and over the course of a season.
His last couple of seasons, you know, fell in somewhere
in that range. But I can't pay this guy like
I pay Josh Allen, like I pay Patrick Mahomes, like
I pay Lamar Jackson. If I do that, I'm going

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to have problems. That doesn't mean he's not a player
that I don't want as my starting quarterback. He can't
grip a ball at inclement weather. I play in the
Bay Area, we don't play a lot of games like that,
So that's a variable we don't have. Like in Buffalo,
he wouldn't even be an option at quarterback, you know,
in Green Bay, in some of the Kansas City couldn't

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play there, right, But in San Francisco we have a shot.
We play eight nine home games there. We play every
year in La in a dome, Arizona in a dome U.
It's a controlled environment for the most most you know
of the time. But just watch the game like it's
not being a hater either, And I feel like I'm

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on the side now of all these other people. I
think brock Perty is a good player. The version I've
seen the last couple of weeks, I mean obviously gives
you pause. But the forty nine ers are a fucking
disaster from a coaching standpoint. With Kyle Shanahan, the defensive
coordinator is a guy ninety nine percent of football fans
wouldn't be able to point out of the lineup. I
don't think he would have been on the defensive coordinator

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given the stakes that were on the line for this franchise,
probably of any other team. But Kyle kind of had
to fire Steve Wilks last year despite going to the
Super Bowl because Fred Warner and Nick Bosta didn't think
he knew what he was doing and they weren't wrong,
and then his options at defensive coordinator were kind of limited.
It wasn't a great field. So like, do you get
a new defensive coordinator, you're basically your fourth one in

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four years. Weird spot, you, you know. Compare that to
the Buffalo Bills, who Josh Allen makes up for a
lot of things, right, I mean, let's just face it,
when you have a player that's that good, even when
you have other issues going on, you just ride them
like Secretariat. And I've been beating this drum for a

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long time. If my quarterback does not have traits that
resemble some of that you would have to fire me
before I sign up for two hundred plus million dollars
on a quarterback, because I'm basically just signing up to loose.
I have been one of the harshest critics every time
I see these NBA players, it's like, wait, they just
gave who two hundred million dollars? Is that guy even

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the top fifteen player in the league. No, but he
could be. Maybe it's like they're gonna lose. I mean
you just see it time and time again, and football
you to not be like that. And it kind of
became that like, yeah, two was good, but you're fantom
how much Trevor Lawrence t you're fandom how much? Like
that's crazy. There are four or five guys that you

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that deserve it, that are worth it. Any other guy
you're playing with fire. You're seriously playing with fire. Jalen
Hirts was playing with fire. You had Saquon Barkley, who
might win the MVP looks a lot better. So I
just think, man, you gotta be very, very very careful.
And the forty nine ers are going into the toilet,

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while I think it's fair to say the Buffalo Bills
are now he and They've been this for the last
couple of years, but a serious Super Bowl contender, and
their organization deserves a lot of credit. You know, they
made an offensive coordinator movie a year ago with Joe Brady,
who they look for. Just much better running the football.

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The emergence of James Cook, the rookie from Kentucky Davis.
They have a physical element to them. Right before a
couple of years ago, just felt like they had to
chuck it all around the yard, which works a lot
of the time, but a little like the Aaron Rodgers
McCarthy Packers, it helps a lot when you have a
running element. When I was with the Eagles and they

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won the Super Bowl, they played us in the first round.
I'm pretty sure James Starks went for like one hundred
and forty yards. Like having a guy that you can
hand the ball off to in colder weather game, especially
in January, helps And now the Bills, in my opinion, besides,
like the Lions and the Eagles are playing as well
as anybody in the NFL, the Chiefs have a better record.
We saw the Bills thoroughly outplay them, and the Chiefs

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somehow are gonna go like fifteen to two, but don't
even look that good. I did write down the schedules
of can Buffalo get the number one overall seat, because
I know Kansas City went in there and beat them.
I know a lot of these people really really well
with the Chiefs. They all think Josh Allen is as
good as it gets and is as good of a

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player as they've competed against, now just in the regular season,
but in the biggest games of their dynasty, and I
think most would tell you he's the best player we've
played against. And you look at the Bills. They're ten
and two in the Chiefs are eleven to one. Here
are the Bills. They both have five games left. The
Bills play the Rams this upcoming week in LA. Now,

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the Bills didn't have to travel this week, the Rams
coming from New Orleans, so I don't want to say advantage,
but you just get a little like they got to
come back. They're probably in the air as I'm recording
this podcast. Then they go to the Lions, which obviously
the Lions have a million injuries right now, but they
are going to get the benefit because Detroit plays on Thursday.

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They're gonna get a mini buy. So that's gonna be
double advantage Detroit games at home, and we're coming off
the bye, which is going to be a really really
hard game for Detroit given their injuries against the Green
Bay Packers. So who knows, they could be coming off
a loss and having this all time great season, could
be desperate, you know, to try to maintain their number
one overall seed. Last three games for the Bills are

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a joke. They play the Patriots twice in the Jets,
all at home. So I think it's realistic to say
the Bills can go four and one in these last
five games. It's not out of the realm possibility to
go five and oh. But I do think it's fair
like not being overly aggressive to go Yeah, I can
see four and one. And if you go four and one,

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that puts them at fourteen and three. And to have
the same record with Kansas City, which you know, to
get the number one overall seed you have to have
the same record. You need them to go three and
two down the stretch. Now, next Sunday night is a
fantastic game Kansas City hosting the Chargers. That is sign
me the fuck up for that one. So that's gonna

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be a really hard game. I think that is fair
to say, and I'm I am an Andy Reid Brett
Veach guy, but that's a losable game, right And I
think Chiefs fans would say, the way we're playing, I mean,
we could lose to anybody. Then you go to Cleveland,
which is just a weird spot. If Cleveland, I'm still trying,
there's a tough out. They get the Texans at home,

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who are not a good team but kind of like
a shittier version of the Chiefs at Pittsburgh, which is
gonna be hard, and then hosting the Broncos, so it's
just a tough little stretch. I do think three and
two would be on the table, and then you would
have both teams at fourteen and three, which assuming I

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guess Pittsburgh they have three losses because they lost to Cleveland,
would have to run the table as well. And you know,
if you go four and one, they would not have
So you'd basically have these two teams competing for the
number one overall seat. I think right now, if I
was a betting man as we sit here on December one,
I would bet on the Bills having the number one
overall seat. The way they're playing the momentum they have

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and if the Chiefs, the Chiefs lose to the Chargers,
I think it's very very much on the table, and
it advantage Bills for sure, But I think we're gonna
have a really really good, fun end of the year.
And listen, I think now the NBA races is between
two people. I think it's Josh Allen and Saquon Barkley.
And I listen, I think Josh Allen is a deserved

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MVP candidate and how good of a player he is
and what he's done to this franchise, he deserves to
have an MVP on his resume. What Saquon is doing
is just stupid. Like you watch him and it's easy
like last year with Lamar, this year with Josh Lamar
for a large portion of this season, Mahomes in years past,

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Brady and Manning. At times, it's so easy to give
to the quarterback. It's just our default move. It's what
was so awesome this year about college football is like
we didn't even have to pretend, like just give it
to the quarterback. There wasn't even a quarterback that deserved it.
So it's basically Travis Hunter is getting it. One, he's
a deserving candidate, but two, he doesn't even need to
compete with any of these guys. And in the NFL,

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you're always gonna have a couple of quarterbacks having great seasons.
But what Saquon's done to the Eagles is just I'd
be with them splitting it. I really would. We've seen
it in the past. We have seen Peyton Manning split
it with Eddie George. We have seen Brett Faarr split
it with Barry Sanders. So I'm cool with that. Now

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now that I said Eddie George and Peyton Manning, it
doesn't even sound right that he split it with Eddie George.
Let me just look this up really quick because I'm
saying it out loud. It's like, hey, George win the MVP.
I don't know if he did who Peyton Manning split
his he split his MVP? Was he split it with somebody? Maybe? Oh,
Steve mcdair. Maybe he definitely split it those two quarterbacks.

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That's a bad argument, but I would go I'd go
Barry Sanders and Brett FARRV. That's what this feels like
a little bit to me, And honestly, that's a pretty
good comp given that I think Josh Allen's comp is
far V in h you know, he's more far than Lway,
though I didn't really see Elway in the eighties, who
I think had some FARV in him. But what a

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Speaker 1 (23:35):
Speaking of Saquon Barkley, you know, once the season happens,
we spend so much time dissecting week by week. Right,
Kirk Cousins throws four interceptions and everybody, and I promise
you everybody is gonna shit on him tomorrow and rightfully so.
I mean, you get paid one hundred million dollars, you
throw four picks a pick six, just an atrocious game.

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You could be a better player, right, you could be
I don't know you name it and throw four interceptions
and we're gonna make funny. You're a highly paid guy
expected to lead a team to the playoffs playing another
playoff team at home and get embarrassed like that, you're
gonna get crushed. But like, should Kirk Cousins be on

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the Falcons because their season they're now six and six,
they look like crap? I mean, they really do. They're
gonna win the division? You would think. I know, Tampa
is also six and six, but Baker's banged up right now,
and the Falcons have beat them twice, so I would

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still bet on Atlanta winning the division. But why did
they sign a quarterback and then draft another guy at
pick eight? It never made any sense. It's because when
they signed Kirk Cousins in the middle of March, they
had no intention on drafting Michael Pennix, and then over

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the course of the next three or four weeks they
fell in love with them. And now this week all
you're gonna hear is like, should they just start Michael Pennix?
And I think we'll look back if this team ends
up winning nine games and gets their ass kicked in
the first round of the playoffs. Like, why didn't Michael
Penix just play this year? Couldn't you have won eight
or nine games with him and been much more equipped?

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And then not have used that money on Kirk Cousins,
who was reported by Jeremy Fowler that if it does
not go well this was a couple of days ago,
they will trade him. It's like, why are you acting
like you have that much leverage. Cousins has a no
trade clause. He makes a shitload of money, and his
trade value now is diminishing by the week. And he's

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a thirty six thirty seven year old guy with a
previous major injury, whose skill set is probably trending down.
We'll trade him to who for what? Like who thinks
he has much value? So I just think and it's like,
if you have to eat some money to facilitate a trade,
you're just wasting two years of the Penix contract. That's

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what bad organizations do. They got cocky, Uh, they didn't
have a plan, and now they have this situation. I
never understood anyone that defended them, because anyone that worked
in a front office could have told you, like you
would have known Pennox was gonna be there at eight
during the fall, but their coaches didn't get involved till

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after free agency, and then they fell for the guy.
And that's what happens when you have all these moving
parts and no one knows what they're doing yet. Look
at Philadelphia, we talked about Saquon Barkley being an MVP candidate.
He has resurrected Jalen's career because let's face that. For
last year, we're like, it's Jalen, this situation, all this money,
they got problems. Now it's like, Jalen, you just got

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a chill man, like, I'll help carry you. Make some
throws to aj makeup throws to God or and we'll
kick some ass. Well, the Saquon move didn't happen today.
It didn't happen three weeks ago. It happened in March
when any team could have had him for you know,
the Eagles gave him twenty seven million dollars guaranteed. What

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if some other team in the league gave him thirty
five thirty eight. That's not He's not turning that down.
Zach Bond, who is going to be an All Pro linebacker,
signing Vic Fangio, Signing that guy and turning him into
an impact player. Knowing in the draft that you could
sit there and get Quinnion Mitchell, who has been one

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of the best corners in the draft and then trade
up to get Cooper dejen. So last year their secondary
was a joke and Jalen was falling apart because it's
just their offense was out of whack. Well, then what
happens this year? Their secondary is dramatically better. Why young
star corner, awesome slot corner who slammed Derrick Henry on

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the ground, a running back to take a ton of
pressure off the highly paid quarterback and make life easier
on everybody if that happened in March. So while the
Eagles had a plan, the Falcons are just flying blind.
Look at the Minnesota Vikings, who are ten and two.
Not in a million years, And I was rooting for

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Sam Donald. If you told me this year went well,
what would their record be on December first and you
were saying, hey, it's going well, twelve games in the season,
I'd be like at seven and five, eight and four
would feel really bold if you said ten and two,
and Donald's on pace for well over thirty touchdowns and

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they are right there competing for the number one overall seed.
Look around the league, some of these teams with quarterback issues.
The Raiders quarterback situation is an all time joke. I mean,
it's a complete embarrassment. They could have signed Sam Donald.
They gave Gardner Minshew. I think fifteen million dollars. Sam

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Donald is dramatically better. Obviously it Minshe was injured now
and out for the season, but it is not even
comparable between the two individuals when they play quarterback. And
you look right now at Minnesota. Their season was made
not during the season. It was made well before the
draft because they already knew they liked JJ McCarthy. We

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had been hearing about that since the fall, but they
also knew, like, we don't plan on playing this guy,
and who knows, depending on how the draft, we don't
control it, maybe we don't get them. We're going to
get a guy that isn't free, but we're not breaking
the bank for and who we think we can compete with,
and they're competing where you look at the Bears and

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you go, guys, this coaching staff is a joke. You
cannot keep Matt Eberflus. It makes no sense. They're like,
I'm telling you we like them. We think his new hairdow,
his new beard style, his late wins against complet deletely
irrelevant teams who were out of the playoff mix are

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enough to keep them. And then by Thanksgiving, his offensive coordinator,
his defensive coordinator, which was him and him were fired.
So we didn't even basically bade it till twenty four
hours after Thanksgiving the Bears had already fired their offensive coordinator,
their defensive coordinator, and their head coach. These shitty organizations, man,

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we make such a big deal in season like sometimes
like listen the forty nine ers season unraveled when literally
everyone got hurt. There's nothing like no one can foresee
that coming. But when you have coaching malpractice in coaching situations,
that's on the organization and they stuck by him and

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honestly for him. The stories that came out today going
in the locker room after that moment on Thanksgiving of
not calling the time out when Caleb gets sacked, which
is gross negligence. You could say fired for cause after
that moment to then go into the locker room and
try to say adversity, this will make us tougher. Guys.

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Sometimes you gotta climb through the mud. You gotta live
in the shit to make it to the mansion and
live at the top of the hill. And Jalen Johnson
just cuts him off and starts lighting him up like
a Christmas tree. Any human being who has ever worked
in an environment with and listen, you try to be professional,

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but whoever is your superior, your manager, your boss. After
a while, you go, this guy's a buffoon, even if
he's a nice guy and means well, You're like, at
the end of the day, our job in football is
the win or lose. Our job in business is to
make money. And you start not having success and you go, well, like,

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I'm doing everything I can. I think it's working, and
this guy is holding us back. Every human being has
a breaking point. I don't care how professional you are.
I don't care be a pro you know, handle it
the right way, be mature about it. There comes a
point in time in all of our lives where you
draw a line in the sand and you say not today,

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this ends today. So for Jalen Johnson to light him
up and basically destroy him for that second and like,
we're not having this new Rockney, Everything's gonna be all right.
We'll keep swinging conversation anymore. Those days are done. Props
to him now. It should have happened a couple weeks ago.
It feels like that was the straw that broke the

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camel's back. But I've been saying this forever and I
will continue to beat this drum. If Kevin Warren is
the guy leading your search, and by all accounts by
reporting this morning, it is going to be him, and
Ryan Poles will assist him. You got no shot, absolutely none,
because no coach worth their salt is going to answer

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to Kevin Warren. It's not gonna happen. It never will happen.
And if I was a Bears fan, this is the
helpless part about doing this and loving a team, is
that if the owner can do whatever the owner wants
to do, and for whatever reason, I don't know if
you know Kevin Warren has nudes on the mccaskeys, I

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don't know what he does, but they have basically entrusted
him with the keys to the entire organization that if
the Chicago Bears went up for sale, I mean, I
think it's fair to say inflation six to seven billion.
I mean, they got to be one of the most
valuable properties in all of professional sports in America. And

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to watch this guy who has accomplished in terms of
football like you want to run point on the stadium.
You want to deal with that stuff? PSLs? What flavor
hot dogs you want at the kiosk, whether we're gonna
go with pepsi or coke? You know who get what?
Beers get the handles? You know what do our seats

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to our PSL holders? Do we get USB outlets? Have
at it? Man fucking attack. But when it comes to
hiring a coach and setting the tone, there was a
there was an article. There were a couple articles that
I read this week, and one thing that I saw
in the Athletic really jumped out to me. Let me
pull it up really quick, because it just hit me.

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I was like, I can't believe that this is in there.
It said. After the loss to the Patriots, meetings at
Hallis Hall grew tense. Some team leaders even floated the
idea of benching Williams. That's when Waldron got fired. Two
days later, Waldron was fired. A team source said that

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Warren wanted changes. A team source said that Warren wanted changes.
If I was a Bears fan and I read that line,
even if I knew it was true, and it was clear,
we all kind of felt that this guy was in charge.
Which to me it was obvious during Hard Knocks when

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Ryan Poles had to give him the details of DJ
Morris contract, I was floored. Usually when you see this
stuff like Howie Roseman would give Jeffrey Lurry the details,
you know, Perogue and John Lynch would give Jed Yorke
the details, Like that's the hierarchy of the way it

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goes right. Let's need McVeigh talked to Kronky to give
him the details. That's fucking insane. I just I cannot
get over that they are letting this guy run the organization.
And as just a fan of football and the Bears
clearly have a lot of talent, I enjoy watching Caleb
like he's a fun player. These last couple of weeks

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with Thomas Brown has been enjoyable, even for as shitty
as they looked in the first half, Like he started
gaining some life in that second half like that, that
was an enjoyable moment. And I think, if you're a
Bears fan, like, if this Thomas Brown thing goes right,
like it wouldn't even be the craziest thing if they
hired him. Clearly, Caleb and the offense looks a lot
better if guys like him former player, I wouldn't do it,

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but nothing against the guy. Just I think the forty
nine Ers played the Bears next week, so I kind
of like the Bears in the interim coach boost the
Jets today. Aaron was asked after the game. They were
up twenty one to seven and driving to potentially make
it like a three score game. Are the Jets gonna
blow this team out like forty five to ten. Seattle's

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just got a huge win at Arizona. You know, the
Niners were playing the Bills. Their season is probably over.
Arizona had or was losing to Minnesota right falling apart,
and the Rams had an away game, So you're like this,
Seattle's gonna blow this and just be six and six
with these other teams. And then all of a sudden,
Aaron threw that pick six and the rest history. And

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when you watch Aaron play, I'm not going to beat
a dead horse. He clearly isn't the same guy. Of
course he's not. He's forty years old coming off in Achilles,
but he is so inaccurate. That's the thing that jumps
out to me. He's always been able to place a
ball like Greg Maddox as a pitcher, except if he

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was Greg Maddox, he would also throw ninety seven miles
an hour. But Greg Maddox could spot pitches, and that
was Aaron Rodgers, except he threw such hard fastballs exactly
where he wanted them to go. And now you watch him,
I don't feel like he knows where the ball is going.
And whether that's his confidence is lost, whether that's just

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his touch lost, whether that's just a combination of everything,
just a guy getting old. But we're watching a guy
be a shell of his former self and he's all
always been a little bit weird in quirky. So when
he's asked after the game about his struggles and he
says there are eleven guys on offense, It's like, yeah, guys,

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I mean, this is the Aaron Rodgers experience. He's not
exactly mister foxhole when shit hits the fan. He's also
a mercenary. He barely fucking knows these guys. I think
he gives a shit about this coaching staff, right. I
think even when he got weird in Green Bay, those
were still his guys and there was a lot of

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equity built up. This is the problem and you see
it in college sports. You see it in the NBA
all the time. Sometimes you see it in baseball. When
you get this mercenary mode of just go wherever I
can for the most money and best for myself, you
don't actually give a shit about the team. And in football,
like the teammates kind of matter, and you can fake

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it a little bit, especially in the public, but like
your actions speak louder than words. And you're watching a
guy and listen, he's tough, he's getting pepper and he
keeps getting up, but like, does he really care about
the Jets? Not at all? And now that his game's lost.
I told Colin this earlier today, I feel pretty confident

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he's not going to play next year because if you
were doing something, he's amassed a ton of money. He's
made hundreds of millions of dollars. Now, there is no
other job that I think he's on the hook for
like thirty five thirty eight million dollars next year. There
is no job in America that would pay Aaron Rodgers
in twenty twenty five that type money. No, there's no

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role he could take that's like what fortune five hundred
CEOs make. I mean these athletes making this type coin.
I mean, it's the greatest job in the history of America.
When it comes to being a WUT two employee, it
does not get any better, absolutely does not, because, unlike
the CEO of one of these Fortune five hundred companies
making twenty thirty forty million dollars, when they failed, they

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get fucking fired. He gets fired first. When you're a player,
everyone around you, you are the last to go. But
I have a hard time seeing it, man, I really
he can't run away. He looks miserable. This team sucks,
this franchise is awful. Do you want to hurt your legacy?
Like ultimately with Tom, he had made the playoffs a

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couple of years and he tried to eke out one
more year and he just said, yeah, it's probably a mistake.
I think if Tom could do it all over again,
he would not play that last season. I think Aaron
was so motivated because of the injury, and I totally understand.
But then he gets the opportunity he has to watch
himself on film. He looks terrible, and I've heard some
people say, well, look at his statistics compared to you

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can't box score scout Aaron Rodgers this year, because if
you have been watching him his entire career and you
watch him right now, you go, who the hell is
this guy? It's a forty year old guy that's over
the hill. I also think some and I saw Richard
Sherman go on this rant a couple weeks ago about
Moody who actually miss kicks, and I too about how

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kickers get treated so much differently, right any other player
on the team you get, you get screamed at twenty
four seven, three sixty five, by your head coach, by
your position coach, by your coordinator, by your teammates, by
the fans, like everyone's in your ass constantly, not literally,
but just always right screaming at you, on top of you,

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just motivating you, a pushing you. Just it's an intense environment.
Sometimes I miss the environment of football just constantly keeps
you on your toes. I just like everyone being on edge.
I think there's a health element to that, to getting
the best out of everybody. Some people can't handle it.
It's hard, say hell, it broke me at times, Like

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it's an intense environment, but it really helps you laser
focus on stuff. And I think you know part of
any success I've had in podcasting or radio, like, I
kind of keep that mindset of just always kind of
being on edge, because in football that's just kind of
the way the building is always. Yet with kickers, we
treat them sometimes like they're toddlers or like five year olds. Well,

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it's like, be easy to little Jimmy over there, he
didn't mean to do it. Or like your dog, he
didn't mean to pee on the rug. Be nice to him,
don't yell at him. It's like, listen, Justin Tucker has
had a legendary career, legendary, but so have a lot
of players. And then they get thirty four, thirty five,
thirty six years old and they're at dtackle or guard

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or corner, and then they start sucking. You know what
happens to those guys. They get benched, they get cut.
It happens every single year on like half the teams
in the league, a big name guy whose play completely
falls off and they get replaced during the season, it
happens or phased out. And Yet with a kicker, I'm

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watching Justin Tucker miss longfield goal after long field goal,
or his entire career, I never felt like a that
I've ever watched. You could roll out and it could
be forty eight, fifty two, fifty six, sixty. It's like
this thing is between the uprights, and now when they
roll him out, you just go, this guy's gonna miss.
This guy is not gonna hit it now. Adam Viniterry

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was kind of like that toward the end of his
It just starts going. And I don't pretend to be
some kicker officionado or like totally understanding when it goes
when it doesn't go, because we see guys go through
rough spells. But this guy's had a bad season. He
is one of the greatest kickers in the history of
the league. But after today he is eight of sixteen,

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so fifty percent on kicks over forty yards. You cannot
trust him on long kicks. And this is the NFL,
this is in college. You're not gonna blow out most teams.
They would have had a field goal plus lead in
the game if he had just made multiple field goals.
But he can't do it right. It's fourteen to twelve.

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He missed a field goal that would have made a
fifteen to then he missed another one that would have
made it eighteen to fourteen, it does, and not one person,
not a person in the stadium, not a person on
the couch, that after he missed the first one and
the extra point, thought that third one had a chance
of going in, and of course it missed. And then
John Harbaughs giving him kisses and hugs and saying we

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support them. You would not say that to other people.
You make changes all the time with other personnel, move
offensive linemen around, help the Ravens. The game opens up
made me nervous because I like the Ravens in this game,
and I was telling everyone I know bet the Ravens
because run defense. I just thought that it was a
good match for the Ravens. Turns out I was wrong.

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And then what happens early in the game. Kyle Hamilton,
who kind of plays as like more of this hybrid linebacker,
which is a huge reason they're so dominant against the run.
Their pass defense has been so shitty. They moved him
way back to basically free safety. They're like, we want
him helping out on the back end, so they're constantly
making changes. You're just gonna keep rolling out justin Tucker
to keep missing field goals. I do think kicking is

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a lot like golf, and when it goes like especially
in the middle of a season, which is like the
middle of a round, there is no fixing it. Like,
this is not a fixable problem. And we've seen enough
teams that have a kicker that gets injured and bring
in another guy and have no problem making kicks, So
this is a solvable problem. There are countless guys you

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could call up and that could make those field goals
and could be the difference in winning and losing a game.
We can talk a little college football before we get
out of here. I do want to hit this the
flag planning and the people freaking out. I saw so

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many people in the media acting like the kids that
won the game, and for whatever reason this weekend in
rivalry Week, most of the teams that won were road
teams Arizona State, North Carolina State, obviously Michigan, and they

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wanted to plant the flag on the That's probably the
reason you plant the flag, right, is plant your flag
on the opposing team's fifty yard line where their logo
is now. Newsflash, if it's a turf field, which most are,
you're not going to be able to plant a flag.

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You would need like a sledgehammer, a nail gun. You
would need some sort of equipment to make that team
thing stick. So it's really just a symbolic throwing the
flag into the turf and getting stuffed every time. It
really drove me nuts for everyone acting like and Joe
Klatt and Gus Johnson basically acted like Michigan burned down

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someone's house. It's not that serious one And to you
get sixty minutes to beat the other team. This is
not a diddy party. Everyone's consenting to this. And when
they bend you over for sixty minutes in a football game,
in a rivalry game of this magnitude, with all these
big programs, they don't get to just make fun of

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you and do whatever they want for those sixty minutes.
They get the next year to give it to you
over and over and over again, and you just have
to take it. I thought Ohio State thoroughly embarrassed themselves.
Now I'm a human, I understand if I'm a player
and I'm pissed off. I just don't think you get
to go up and start shoving people. Just go to

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the locker room. It makes you look way worse. Obviously,
the video of Ryan Day doing nothing makes it look
even that much worse. But I'm sorry, Like, this is
not your parents' bedroom. You don't get to just fight
for this space. Like, give me a fucking break. If

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you get your ass kicked, you lose one of these
rivalry games, take your helmet off, go to the locker room,
and go solk and pray to god it doesn't get
that ugly for the next three hundred and sixty five days,
because this is college and there are gonna be a
lot of college kids in your dms talking a lot
of shit, starting with the players. So I thought this
notion of all these media people acting like these teams

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playing the flag were like criminals, and this cannot happen.
These people need to be suspended, and obviously there's gonna
be some legislation regulation people getting in trouble. I'm sure
is gonna happen. Give me a fucking break. I thought
the only people that looked like buffoons were the teams
that lost the game. One thing that is cool, and
I think this is why college football is taking a

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jump this season. It's more popular now than it's ever been,
highest ratings by a mile forever. When you turned on
the best teams you knew who was gonna win. You
had one or two upsets throughout the season, but for
the most part, like it was, it was pretty shocky.

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The same teams won over and over and over again.
And now with the transfer portal, which obviously has its issues,
all these seasons end anyone that is kind of sweet
on a team that sucks. I have seen so many
people like this guy's under the transfer portal. This guy's
under the transfer portal, this guy's out of the transfer portal.

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And part of that is anyone who's good whose teams suck,
their dms are filled with other programs. So it's like
those guys aren't entering it blind. They have an idea
who wants them and what their value is, which again
I'm a capitalist, whatever, but I do believe that it's
made college football more enjoyable. Anything can happen. Now. Ryan

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Day would lose to Michigan no matter what. The transfer
portal has nothing to do with him losing to Michigan.
He just is has no shot to out tough them,
and me and Colin went into depth on that. Not
shocked at all. Born on third base now somehow back
at second looking at first ads Chip Kelly, who runs
a pretty soft offense. Of course, he tries to run

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it right up the middle on Michigan that's where the
strength is and then he I mean, that's one of
the most embarrassing losses in the history of college football.
But on any given game, anything can happen, and that
used to not be the case. And that's why this
playoff is gonna be so successful because you have no
clue who's gonna win, absolutely none. Assuming Oregon beats Penn State,

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I think we would all say Oregon's the best team.
That's who I think should win the national championship. But
I wouldn't feel that confident betting on it. I actually
think there's gonna be a lot of value on the
teams like six through ten if you can get them
ten to fifteen to one, because this fucking thing's gonna
be wide open, bananas. Georgia went into seventy five overtimes

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against Georgia Tech. Now you could argue its rivalry games
and things gets weird, and that is true, But I
think part of it is there's not that big of
a talent gap than all these teams because all these
players the moment I'm not starting the moment. I have
to rotate the moment. I'm not just the star of
the team, and all the assistant coaches, all the trainers,

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the athletic department and people running the NIL aren't on
their knees constantly for me like I'm like to see you.
I'll go somewhere. That is because I think every turn
and every door that I open or go to is
gonna be better. And that's not always the case, but
that has currently happening. So you watch college football, it's
basically turned into the NFL. Like when you watch the NFL,

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the Raiders can't beat the Chiefs. As Antonio Pierce said,
it's the worst team playing the best team. And as
that game was going on, you're not really that shocked
with game they could win. Honestly, I thought they were
gonna win. And that's it happens all day to day.
You know, you go into some of these games. Now
it doesn't always play out that way, but you're never
shocked when another team of an underdogs. Why this spreads

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in the NFL aren't that big, That's why would you
get above a touchdown spread? That's massive, right, But in
college football that a seven point spread is like the
equivalents like eighteen to twenty points, and we see these
big dogs win all the time. So I think, however,
we have gotten here, which will probably sucks for the
people working in it because it's tough to figure out

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and corral and maintain and just everyone thinks they have
the new idea and it's just all over the place.
But it's made for a better product. I don't even
think that's arguable. It is more entertaining because it's that
much more chaotic on a weekly basis and has to
be a perfect time given that we now have a

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twelve team playoff, so we will be back all week
talkings of football. Hopefully everyone had a good Thanksgiving and
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