April 28, 2025 • 35 mins
John opens the week talking about the Browns draft and how they are going to handle drafting multiple QB's when the season starts and what the thought the process was to draft both QB's. He also discusses the look on the front office staff's face after drafting Sanders. Next, John talks about the prank call that went viral on Day 1 of the draft and how it ended up being a son of an Atlanta Falcons coach. Later, John reacts to the interview that Bill belichick did with CBS and the awkwardness that took place with his girlfriend acting like his PR staff.
4:40 - What are the Browns doing
15:00 - Prank call
23:51 - Belichick's interview on CBS
30:13 - College football conferences
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
Hopefully everyone is having a great day, a great morning,
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a great afternoon, wherever you may be. And today we're
gonna talk some football. I just recorded a bunch of
stuff with Colin, so I will try to talk about
things we didn't touch on. I do want to reiterate
a theory I have when it comes to the Cleveland Browns,
Jimmy Haslam and Shador Sanders, the prank call. I have
(00:42):
a couple thoughts on that Belichick interview, which if you
haven't seen Belichick's interview on CBS Good Morning on Sunday,
it's quite the ride with his new lady friend Jordan,
and then a couple other football things here and there
from the draft. So we will have con ten all
week reacting to the draft stories as it all kind
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there's a lot going on, and I didn't do anything
on Saturday. Partly I just needed a breather. You know,
mel Kiper was was fuman. I'm pro mel Kiper, but
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I do think he was clearly I don't know why
he was so angry, and uh, you know Lewis Riddick
and Rhys Davis and they were going back and forth
and it was like, God, you got to be exhausted.
I was exhausted from the story. I need to take
twenty four hours off, so me and Colin touched on it.
I've had some time to think about it, and I'm
gonna rehash the theory that I just told Coward. So
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if you already heard it, sorry, and if you haven't,
this is my theory because I don't think it's that complicated,
because it doesn't make much sense to take multiple quarterbacks
in a draft, especially in the third and the fifth round.
That's that's unheard of. You know, you go back to
RG three and Cousins. It was because Kyle Shanahan and
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Mike Shanahan did not want RG three. Kyle Shanahan was
trying to convince them to trade back and take Cousins early.
He's talked about this. This was a situation where I
think I just read something that the Cleveland Browns had
flown out and it never got out. And met with
Jimmy Haslam, with the coach, with the GM with Dylan Gabriel,
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they liked him a lot. Now I don't even necessarily
agree with their assessment. I think drafting Dylan Gable in
the third round is a little rich for my taste. Right.
It's like paying a million dollars for seven hundred thousand
dollars home now value in the eye of the beholder
on draft day. We can argue that till we're blue
in the face. I don't think he was going in
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the third round. I actually feel pretty confident now you
can always make the argument, how do you know, I've
been doing this long enough? Pretty good idea there was
a reason the Will Howard's, the Riley Leonards, the Quinn
you weres like you didn't need to take those guys
in the third or fourth round. You knew they were
gonna be there in the sixth or seventh. I do
think Dylan Gabriel at the latest, I mean, I think
he could have got him in the fifth. But whatever.
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My thought is this as Shador standards starts to drop.
When you work with someone long enough. It's like when
you're growing up and you live with your mom, your dad,
your brothers. You really know them well right, you know
what sets them off, you know what buttons to push
to piss them off. You know when it's like, Okay,
I better I gotta be especially if you have an
older brother or an older sister, like, Okay, I'm gonna
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I'm gonna avoid this issue. I know my dad really
values this, even though my mom doesn't care. And so
you just kind of work the room a little bit, right. Definitely,
if you've been in a company and you've worked with someone,
you've worked for someone, you get a pretty good feel
for their demands, what they're into, what if they are
an overbearing boss, what they will force you to do,
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and you kind of know how to play them a
little bit. I don't mean like nefariously, but just like
to settle everything down. Once the door Sanders starts dropping,
Andrew Berry and Stefanski aren't them. They know that Jimmy
HASLM is gonna be interested. Why because Jimmy Haslam has
forced several quarterbacks on them that they did not want,
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and they clearly in this draft want to do and Gabriel.
So once he starts plummeting, they go maybe texting to
each other, maybe talking their office, close the door, like
maybe we should draft this guy a little bit higher
than ideally we want to. So we just get a
quarterback in our draft class and then Shadoor will go
some picks later, and we don't have to force this
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upon us because Shador Sanders. When I think Kevin Stefanski got,
I don't think an idea will fit. I actually think
Shador's playing style is a lot like Deshaun Watson. Now,
I think Deshaun was a better college player and a
better prospect than Shadoor, but I think there are some
similarities well in Kevin Stefanski's offense. And this is the
Kyle Shanahan thing. They don't really into freelancing, right that
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they're in to do exactly what I tell you, we
can argue to we're blow in the face. That's how
they want to play. It's why they like guys like
Kirk Cousins and Brock Purdy and Joe Flacco and Dylan Gabriel.
He will get rid of the ball quick and go
exactly where you want to go with him. Now, can't
he see that guy's kind of short. We'll find out,
but I think they did that hopefully like Okay, this
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will shut the owner up. The problem is is that
Shador kept dropping, so it's like, wait, didn't know one
picked him in the fourth and then he's still there
in the fifth. Now it gets to a spot where
the owner tells you we're taken them. And when you
watch the reaction of those guys in the draft room,
and I know they push back against this bullshit that
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you could see in Stefanski's eyes he wanted no part
of that. Andrew Barry did not want to make that pick.
And then when they discussed it in the press conference,
it was clear like this was not their doing. And
we have a long enough history to now know this
owner forces them to do things they don't want to do.
I think Andrew Berry and I think Kevin Stefanski are
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good at their job. Now I don't have to agree
with their quarterback evaluation because I think Shador Sanders is
a better NFL prospect than Dylan Gabriel. They clearly did not.
And it makes no sense to take a guy in
the third and then another in the fifth. Because Michael
Lombardi used to talk about this for a long time,
the NFL practices are math equations. You don't get an
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unlimited amount of places. This is basketball where it's like,
well just run it again. Eventually, you can only run
so many plays with your players, especially now because of
the rules. So in a practice, and I'm just gonna
pick some up even numbers to make things even. Let's
say during a team period, we will have thirty reps
of ones versus ones, twos, verse twos, threes verse threes.
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Well we're not. We don't spread those equally, right. I
give more reps to my better players, especially once the
pads come on in training camp. So when I got
pads on my ones, and I've been to a lot
of practice, and every coach does it a little bit differently,
get seventy percent of the reps. Then the twos come
in and get the next twenty percent of the reps,
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and then the threes get let's say ten to five
percent of the reps. Now it might change on a
given day, but it is disproportionately weighted to starters, backups,
and threes. And the thing is like at tight end,
if I'm George Kittle, I'm like, hey, coach, I need
a blow. I'm exhausted. It's like, hey, take this. Take
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the next ten plays off. So the ones, the twos,
in the threes, he just sits on the sideline and
the other tight ends rotate with the ones, rotate with
the twos, rotates with the threes. I can do that
at wide receiver. I can do that at running back.
I can do that at all the other skill positions. Right,
I cannot do that at quarterback. Quarterbacks aren't coming in
and out. They stay with the unit. Now with the threes,
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you can rotate the threes, or you can rotate a
guy with the twos. I guess. But like if you
are the twos quarterback, you get those reps. It's why
you see when there's a competition for the backup job.
They usually rotate them through training camp, but over the time,
like one guy ends up getting more reps what you
would have given going into training camp. Obviously, Joe Flacco
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is gonna get the ones and just based on his experience,
and I don't think this guy's any good. He's gonna
start with the twos. That's gonna be Kenny Pickett. So
you're gonna have two guys rotating with the threes. You're
just not gonna get at that many plays. So it
doesn't make any sense. I've seen a lot of people
try to justify It's like just keep throwing darts at
the dartboard, and I agree with most positions. It is
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just very difficult to take multiple quarterbacks in a draft
and get a feel for either one throughout practices, So
you can't convince me. And other people have written about
this in The Athletic that this wasn't the owner, and
anytime the owner, I'm all for the owner having opinions.
It's his team, but when he's forcing you to take players,
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and this feels like it's like this is out of
Shador's control. But I just think it's a weird spot
and the other thing, and I mentioned this to Colin
is coaches in front office people sometimes disagree, right I
like a player that you don't like, or vice versa,
and sometimes we just agree to disagree and we take
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the player. And if the coach doesn't like the player
the front off drafted, he can manipulate how many reps
that guy gets at practice, how much energy and effort
I put into them, right, especially when you're talking mid
to late round picks. And if the coaching staff, if
the head coach, especially if the front office as well,
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is not on board, they will not care because part
of and this is the cool part about like being
Jalen Milroe. Listen, I thought he's a pretty big wildcard,
pretty risky pick. But here's what I know. John Schneider
and Mike McDonald all in on him. Think about Mike
was around Lamar for years. Think about what made John
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Schneider a legend. He pounded the table for Russell Wilson,
So those guys believe in mobile quarterbacks. You know, Russell
was a better thrower than Lamar right away, just in
terms of accuracy. Lamar obviously became a much better player
over the course the last four or five years. But
when people support you, and this is no different than
any industry, when you work at a place where the
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guy that high hired you or the guy that runs
the company believes in you want you there, it's much
easier to succeed as a player, just like as any
normal employee. You can start sensing like, do these guys
even want me here? How often have we heard over
the years, older veteran guys, just players throughout the history
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of the league, to be like, yeah, I was out
of place. The coach in the gym didn't like me,
but they just didn't want me there, And I knew
it was destined to fail early on. Happens all the time,
will continue to happen. It's happened historically in the league.
So I think this is a very clunky, weird, bizarre spot.
And while in theory I get like, I'll just throw
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darts at a dartboard accumulate as many players as you can. Well, yeah,
it's easy to rotate slot corners in and out. It's
easy like, oh, this slot receiver gets these reps. It's
not really how quarterback works. You kind of got to
get a cohesion with the unit you're repping with just
very bizarre situation there, And obviously the prank call situation
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is something that's gone pretty viral. Embarrassing. Look for the
kid who you know, stuck his tail between his legs
with his apology posts. Something calls them bad. Look for
jeff Olbrick. I also think some of the reaction, like
Jeff Olbrick should be suspended. It's like I don't even
necessarily believe the Atlanta Falcons. Of course this was the
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Atlanta Falcons, Like, of course this stink is on Atlanta.
What just a poorly run operation, but like it was
his child. And I've been a college kidd and done
dumb things. My senior year in college the fall of
two thousand and seven, I actually I don't really talk
about this ever, because I was a business intern for
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the Kansas City Chiefs. So from basically middle to late
August till the middle of December, I moved to Kansas City.
My dad had like a friend that he went to
college with who knew a guy whose kid had rented
us a room for like three hundred bucks, lived in Overland,
Kansas and works for the Chiefs. And I worked in sales,
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So I tried to help the guy, like, you know,
sell things in the stadium in terms of signage, just
tried to do a bunch of stuff in sales. It's
not what I wanted to do, but it was the
only way I get into the NFL. I had mailed
at the time. It was hard to get emails in
seven so I had mailed like every team in the
(14:31):
NFL and a lot of college teams asking if they
had any sort of internship in football, and I still
have them in my closet. A bunch of people emailed
you or mailed me back, the Giants, the Packers, the Bears,
these like generic like thanks for your interest, we got nothing,
and the chiefs for the one team that were like, yeah,
you can come work for us. I was like, I'm
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gonna work in the NFL. It was an unpaid job
in sales in a cubicle with like fifty other interns.
But I also utilized that time to meet people on HERM.
Edward's staff, and early on in the season before they
really started to suck, I would go up a couple
nights during the week and try to help him out
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with like miscellaneous bullshit. Basically his like head of I
guess he would have been like the head of football
administration or something. He interviewed me to her, he was cool.
He kind of got my really the ball rolling of
what I aspired to do after that. And they used
to have these booklets and basically it had every number
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of every human in the NFL. Because cell phones, while
they existed in oh seven, most people in any industry
in your office had a hard line, and if I
wanted to get a hold of the CEO of Microsoft
or Jerry Jones, he had a number directly to his
office that was separate of a cell phone. And this
booklet had every number in the league, from gms to
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coaches to owners, obviously all the famous speed not players
or anything, but everyone that had an office in the league. Well,
when I went back to Cal Pauli, because I still
had spring and I guess winter and spring were on
the quarter system. I went back and live with my buddies,
still in a couple couple quarters of just I basically
had like one class remaining. I was partying, hanging, doing nothing,
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doing whatever I wanted to do. And I think one
late night I bust out the book. We probably had
a few too many and I was like, uh, you
guys want to call Belichick again? This is I forget that.
I actually had forgotten about this until my buddy Trent
had told me a couple of years ago about this situation.
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And I'm pretty sure two guys, and again, this could
have been Pacific standard time midnight on like a Saturday,
so people wouldn't even have been in the office. We
definitely called Belichick and Jerry Jones and you would get like,
especially you know whatever the number was, Extension two one
nine or Extension seventeen, and'd be like this Jerry Jones
office or this Belichick. It was incredible. We're all laughing
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on stuff. So I think, listen, kids do dumb shit. Now.
I didn't get anyone on the horn. I don't even
think we left. We hung up. You know when it
would be like, babe, we just hang up. But everyone
the overreaction is it stupid? Is it a kid being
a fucking asshole? Yes? From what I've saw that it.
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Chador was not the only guy that this. This happened
to countless players. So was it all these guys somehow
they got hacked. I have never heard of someone's kid
getting access to numbers and then wearing these guys out.
But I do understand a situation where if you give
a twenty one year old who's fifteen course lights at
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The other thing is Belichick. The video or the interview
he did today was with CBS Morning News. First I
saw it as Portnoy head record and said, this is
the most bizarre, awkward interview I've ever seen, and then
it goes completely viral of him and his young girlfriend
who basically is acting as his PR manager, who's chiming in.
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It's really really uncomfortable and part of being a college
head coach, which is a lot different than an NFL
head coach. Even with the nil and buying players, there
is still an element of selling yourself. In the NFL,
I don't need to sell shit. I sell by what
I pay you and do you want to win or loose?
And that is historically how it's operated in college. It's changed,
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but like the reason Saban in Kirby and Ohio State
and Michigan always got the best players all my life,
just because you couldn't pay guys above the table, you
can still pay guys below the table. You still have
to recruit their parents the players. Stuff still matters, and
your personality, Like look at the top head coaches in
college football have big personalities, and it matters. Sitting in
living rooms and I'm watching Belichick thinking like this is
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a little bizarre and I don't know how good North
Carolina is going to be this year. No clue know
nothing about their roster beside they just signed this kid
from South Alabama who was like a mobile dual threat quarterback,
which feels a little bit weird, but we'll see how
that operates in Belichick's offense, which I'm not even quite
sure what it is, but we'll find out what it
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is pretty quickly. I just watched that video and I
thought to myself, of, like, Belichick's never working in the
NFL again. I don't think anyone's hiring this guy. And
I think this situation with his girlfriend, like most owners
in the NFL have probably seven girlfriends. No one judges you.
Robert Kraft's wife died and he had like a thirty
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year old on his arm the next day. So it's like,
it's not like the NFL is some moral police when
it comes to the age gap of who you're allowed
to date. Nobody cares. But it's one thing when you
hear about it, and it's another thing to see it
in that environment. And Belichick gave this interview like he
had just lost to the Kansasity Chiefs and they're onto Cincinnati,
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and it's like, I don't know if you can really
act like that in these settings, in the position you're
now in with this girl on the side, who I
don't blame her, she's you know, she can say whatever
she wants. Would she be dating this seventy three year
old if he was a plumber? Of course not. It
helps when you go, this guy's worth probably one hundred
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plus million dollars. Let's call a spade a spade. And look,
there's nothing wrong with that. It's her prerogative. She can
bang whoever she wants to. But when you see that
version on CBS, you like, this is rough man, This
is rough for your current job. And I'm a Belichick fan.
I think he's the best coach I've ever seen. And
some of the stuff that people crush him for, none
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of it matters. In the pros, it's a very black
and white league. You win or you lose. You win
or do you lose? Nothing else really matters. Belichick had
a guy who murdered someone down the road from his house.
It's like, yeah, well kind of, We'll move on and
we'll win three more Super Bowls. That's the NFL for you.
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In a nutshell, The Baltimore Ravens. I've talked about this
over and over, like as polarizing ador. He honestly overshadowed
some of these red flag guys that were drafted in
the first and second round. Major red flag guys know
if the guy gets ten sacks, no one will give
a shit beside a couple of big j's on Twitter
that no one will listen to. And like the reason
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the Ravens think about this, the Ravens drafted a kicker
in the sixth round. They have no clue if Tucker
is Deshaun Watson two point zero. And let's face it,
if Justin Tucker had got covery rears, kids a handy
in a massage star fourth therapist a couple times, no
one in the NFL would care. If you don't think
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most people in the NFL haven't experienced something like that,
People in society haven't. Like a lot of you would
be throwing stone out a glass house. Listen, I'm not
gonna get up here in my ie horse snack like
you know you haven't been to a massage therapist over
the years. The reason Deshaun Watson was so I would
say bizarre in such a toxic situation is like, bro,
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were you addicted to this? Was this an addiction for you?
That's weird, especially when you're like a good looking quarterback
who's really rich. Shouldn't need a bunch of handies at
the local massage therapist, right, And the Tucker thing is
feels like it's in a similar vein. But the reason
they drafted a kicker, and more than likely Justin Tucker
won't be on their team this year is because he
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can't kick anymore. His career is winding down. He's not good.
If he was still wildly considered one of the greatest
kickers of all time in the prime of his career,
they would overlook it. It's why Belichick all those years
it was like doing some weird shit. When he comes
out of that Nantucket house with his shirt off, probably
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not sleeping with a fifty year old, don't blame him.
Their like he's got options, right, Everyone's like, wow, he's
Bill Belichick. Six rings. You start struggling people like, when
you're a sales guy and you're the number one sales
guy in your company, you can do whatever you want.
They're probably not gonna get rid of you. Mister Quota's
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four quarters in a row see o that goes. And
I just think sometimes people get on their high horse
about stuff and football. It's like, if they think you
can play, you're gonna be on the squad. If they
don't think you can play, you won't be well, they'll
overlook you. And uh. The argument that we've had for
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a long time, which I do think is like kind
of jump the shark about the conferences and the where
the best players are. And we argued forever about the
uh who should be in the playoffs? And I understand,
just because you have a lot of guys drafted doesn't
mean you're a great team. But it's pretty clear watching
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Ole Miss right or Alabama that even in years where
they underachieve, they're way better than SMU. And looking back
at the College Football Playoff when everyone argued SMU deserves it,
how many guys at SMU just have drafted? The SEC Again,
for I don't know, the one hundredth year in a
row had more players than any conference drafted. If you
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combined the ACC and the Big twelve, they don't even
equal the SEC and they only eclipse the Big Ten
by a couple of players. I feel stronger and stronger
about this take and thought by the day, definitely by
the year. This is only going to continue to consolidate.
And I'm not pro like what has happened to college football.
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I did not want the Pac twelve to disappear. I
was not rooting for that. I love the Pac twelve.
I wish it still existed. I loved watching Oregon State
try to upset USC. I loved watching Washington State try
to take down on Kaylin Dubor when he had a
loaded team. That was cool. Those days are over. Those
programs are now essentially D one double A. Fresno State
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got my start in football. It'll be D one Double
A or D two here really quick. These programs that
aren't not only Power four were headed to the power too.
That's where we're going. Miami, Florida State, North carol They
already want out of the ACC. So the lucrative programs
in the third best conference one out. They don't want
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it to exist. And listen, I respect the Big Twelve
in terms of basketball. At football, it's a terrible conference.
It really it's a it's it is much closer the
Big Twelve. And I'm not some shit talker. I loved
Arizona and Arizona State when they were in the Pac Twelve.
But watching those two programs, especially Arizona State this year,
play in the Big Twelve, it's just not a very
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good football conference. They lost their two best programs, Texas
and Oklahoma. The Big Twelve is closer to the Mountain
West than it is the Big Ten enter the SEC. Honestly,
I don't even think it's that close. So like the argument,
and this is where college football is going to become
pretty fascinating. A lot of people have wondered quin Yours.
Did Quinn Yours make a mistake. It was obvious when
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he chose to come out in the NFL that he
could have made more money staying in college. He knew
that when he made the decision, because we all knew.
It's like, Quinn, you're not going to go in the
first two days of the draft, and we know the
going rate when we see Carson Beck making a couple
million dollars, like, you can still make millions of dollars now.
I could also understand being a twenty one year old
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kid like I don't want to go to class anymore.
I don't want to stay on campus. I don't want
people to view me like Tyler Shuck. I'm just here
for the long haul. I do think though, you'll look
back if the NFL career does not go well. It
is hard in the real world, really really difficult, very
difficult to make millions of dollars. And if you're out
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of the NFL, like a lot of players are in
under three years, the amount of money that you will accumulate,
especially if you only play on the couple practice squads
and then you barely even get a year and you're
out of the league, you will never be able to
recoup that money. Now, maybe go on to a successful career,
but it's more than likely gonna take you some time
(29:23):
to build up your career to even make big time
money for a decade, two decades, Like, it's gonna take
a while, and I think it's gonna be a conversation
moving forward. Like Carson Beck went to Miami, he was
in the same situation. He easily could have come out.
He would have been drafted just like all these other
guys in the sixth, seventh round. Instead he's like, I'm
gonna cash in. I think it's crazy, Like I wouldn't
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give millions of dollars to Carson Beck or Queen Viewers.
But I'm not running these programs, and these programs are
proving they will do it now. I also think this argument,
like that's out there on the internet, the guys, if
they don't get drafted where they want to go, should
be able to come back to college. Like, No, I
don't agree with that, but maybe we should lengthen the time.
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I'd have no problem with going up to like free
Like you're allowed to go to the Combine and through
basically free agency to start a free agency March fifteenth,
that's the date, and you're able to test the waters.
You know, the NBA has done this for a long time,
go to the Combine and if you want to back up.
I even think the NFL in college has tried to
institute that. But I think more guys should utilize that.
And if you want to stay, Hey, this is going
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right now. I do think it's a little complicated with
the transfer portal and everything, but that's a lot of
money to pass up. It really is. But I also
understand as someone I could count on two hands the
things I've learned in class in college. Not even I
don't think I learned anything in a classroom in college,
not one thing, And college really benefited my life. Everything
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I learned was outside of the classroom, meeting new people,
trying to date women that I didn't grow up with,
like doing stuff for professionally when you know nobody, trying
to kind of forge your path. Like everything I learned
in my four five four years in a couple of
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quarters at cal Pauly was outside of a classroom. So
I understand these guys going this is stupid. I agree
with you. Unless you're gonna become a doctor or an engineer,
most things you're gonna learn in this classroom will not
benefit you as you age professionally at all. But like,
I know people that are just ready for the next
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challenge and ready for the next thing. And I can't
imagine it's easier for me at forty years old to
value money and understand like and be able to look
at things from a twenty thousand foot view than it
is for a young guy who's just been making I
bet Queen yours made millions of dollars in the last
couple of years, so because I'll just make more and
(31:53):
he'll look back maybe in five years of Like, God,
I should have just transferred A and M. I'm just
picking random schools, but he clearly would have had options,
and it's going to be fascinating to watch how this
plays out, like if these got and part of it
is this. You know, Shador made a lot of money
in branding because he was a really famous college player.
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Same with Quinn eyrs really famous college player. That brand
changes dramatically. If you're not good in the NFL, no
one cares. I've always hated athletes that try to start
brands that basically are just copying, like Michael Jordan or
Tiger Woods or some of these guys. Like the biggest
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brands in my life when it comes to athletes are
based on guys who are fucking legends, champions, the greatest
players of all time. I mean, the greatest athlete brand
not even close, is Michael Jordan, also known for one
of the greatest champions in the history of society. I
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don't even know what TB twelve is, but when you
say TV twelve, everyone knows it. Why because he's got
seven Super Bowls. Tiger Woods literally changed the way business
professionals wore collared shirts to work and changed an entire industry.
The polo industry because he was winning majors every single year.
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Part of your brand has to be greatness, right Patrick.
You can build a brand in brands behind Patrick Mahomes
why he wins NonStop. The NBA is full of these
guys whose brand like what are you doing? You know
this ain't gonna work, and usually it does. Now I'm
not saying like I kind of say, I feel like
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you're just being a hater talking reality, And I think
these guys are gonna look back like, did I make
a mistake? Now? I don't Shadore. I'm sure thought even
if he fell, was gonna be a second round pick. Everyone,
every single human knew that quinn Ewers was not gonna
get drafted very high. Honestly, I'm a little surprised he
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got drafted at all. He could have stayed chose not to,
and I wonder if he's going to be used as an
example moving forward the difference. You know, Basically, they came
to a fork in the road, him and Carson Beck.
They were in two separate cars, driving right next to
each other. Carson Beck went, I'm gonna cash into ching.
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Quinn Ewer said, I can never look at another professor
who even knows if he was going to class. I've
talked to some of you young guys. Half your classes
are online. I would have died for an online class
when I was in college. He's like, I'm going pro.
And then you get drafted late and you only make
one hundred grand, which is incredible for ninety nine point
nine percent of you know, twenty twenty one, twenty two
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year olds. But when you've been used to making millions
of dollars, it has to be like, damn, did I
make the right decision. The volume
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
Hopefully everyone is having a great day, a great morning,
(00:22):
a great afternoon, wherever you may be. And today we're
gonna talk some football. I just recorded a bunch of
stuff with Colin, so I will try to talk about
things we didn't touch on. I do want to reiterate
a theory I have when it comes to the Cleveland Browns,
Jimmy Haslam and Shador Sanders, the prank call. I have
(00:42):
a couple thoughts on that Belichick interview, which if you
haven't seen Belichick's interview on CBS Good Morning on Sunday,
it's quite the ride with his new lady friend Jordan,
and then a couple other football things here and there
from the draft. So we will have con ten all
week reacting to the draft stories as it all kind
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there's a lot going on, and I didn't do anything
on Saturday. Partly I just needed a breather. You know,
mel Kiper was was fuman. I'm pro mel Kiper, but
(02:52):
I do think he was clearly I don't know why
he was so angry, and uh, you know Lewis Riddick
and Rhys Davis and they were going back and forth
and it was like, God, you got to be exhausted.
I was exhausted from the story. I need to take
twenty four hours off, so me and Colin touched on it.
I've had some time to think about it, and I'm
gonna rehash the theory that I just told Coward. So
(03:13):
if you already heard it, sorry, and if you haven't,
this is my theory because I don't think it's that complicated,
because it doesn't make much sense to take multiple quarterbacks
in a draft, especially in the third and the fifth round.
That's that's unheard of. You know, you go back to
RG three and Cousins. It was because Kyle Shanahan and
(03:33):
Mike Shanahan did not want RG three. Kyle Shanahan was
trying to convince them to trade back and take Cousins early.
He's talked about this. This was a situation where I
think I just read something that the Cleveland Browns had
flown out and it never got out. And met with
Jimmy Haslam, with the coach, with the GM with Dylan Gabriel,
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they liked him a lot. Now I don't even necessarily
agree with their assessment. I think drafting Dylan Gable in
the third round is a little rich for my taste. Right.
It's like paying a million dollars for seven hundred thousand
dollars home now value in the eye of the beholder
on draft day. We can argue that till we're blue
in the face. I don't think he was going in
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the third round. I actually feel pretty confident now you
can always make the argument, how do you know, I've
been doing this long enough? Pretty good idea there was
a reason the Will Howard's, the Riley Leonards, the Quinn
you weres like you didn't need to take those guys
in the third or fourth round. You knew they were
gonna be there in the sixth or seventh. I do
think Dylan Gabriel at the latest, I mean, I think
he could have got him in the fifth. But whatever.
(04:37):
My thought is this as Shador standards starts to drop.
When you work with someone long enough. It's like when
you're growing up and you live with your mom, your dad,
your brothers. You really know them well right, you know
what sets them off, you know what buttons to push
to piss them off. You know when it's like, Okay,
I better I gotta be especially if you have an
older brother or an older sister, like, Okay, I'm gonna
(05:00):
I'm gonna avoid this issue. I know my dad really
values this, even though my mom doesn't care. And so
you just kind of work the room a little bit, right. Definitely,
if you've been in a company and you've worked with someone,
you've worked for someone, you get a pretty good feel
for their demands, what they're into, what if they are
an overbearing boss, what they will force you to do,
(05:23):
and you kind of know how to play them a
little bit. I don't mean like nefariously, but just like
to settle everything down. Once the door Sanders starts dropping,
Andrew Berry and Stefanski aren't them. They know that Jimmy
HASLM is gonna be interested. Why because Jimmy Haslam has
forced several quarterbacks on them that they did not want,
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and they clearly in this draft want to do and Gabriel.
So once he starts plummeting, they go maybe texting to
each other, maybe talking their office, close the door, like
maybe we should draft this guy a little bit higher
than ideally we want to. So we just get a
quarterback in our draft class and then Shadoor will go
some picks later, and we don't have to force this
(06:05):
upon us because Shador Sanders. When I think Kevin Stefanski got,
I don't think an idea will fit. I actually think
Shador's playing style is a lot like Deshaun Watson. Now,
I think Deshaun was a better college player and a
better prospect than Shadoor, but I think there are some
similarities well in Kevin Stefanski's offense. And this is the
Kyle Shanahan thing. They don't really into freelancing, right that
(06:28):
they're in to do exactly what I tell you, we
can argue to we're blow in the face. That's how
they want to play. It's why they like guys like
Kirk Cousins and Brock Purdy and Joe Flacco and Dylan Gabriel.
He will get rid of the ball quick and go
exactly where you want to go with him. Now, can't
he see that guy's kind of short. We'll find out,
but I think they did that hopefully like Okay, this
(06:50):
will shut the owner up. The problem is is that
Shador kept dropping, so it's like, wait, didn't know one
picked him in the fourth and then he's still there
in the fifth. Now it gets to a spot where
the owner tells you we're taken them. And when you
watch the reaction of those guys in the draft room,
and I know they push back against this bullshit that
(07:12):
you could see in Stefanski's eyes he wanted no part
of that. Andrew Barry did not want to make that pick.
And then when they discussed it in the press conference,
it was clear like this was not their doing. And
we have a long enough history to now know this
owner forces them to do things they don't want to do.
I think Andrew Berry and I think Kevin Stefanski are
(07:34):
good at their job. Now I don't have to agree
with their quarterback evaluation because I think Shador Sanders is
a better NFL prospect than Dylan Gabriel. They clearly did not.
And it makes no sense to take a guy in
the third and then another in the fifth. Because Michael
Lombardi used to talk about this for a long time,
the NFL practices are math equations. You don't get an
(07:58):
unlimited amount of places. This is basketball where it's like,
well just run it again. Eventually, you can only run
so many plays with your players, especially now because of
the rules. So in a practice, and I'm just gonna
pick some up even numbers to make things even. Let's
say during a team period, we will have thirty reps
of ones versus ones, twos, verse twos, threes verse threes.
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Well we're not. We don't spread those equally, right. I
give more reps to my better players, especially once the
pads come on in training camp. So when I got
pads on my ones, and I've been to a lot
of practice, and every coach does it a little bit differently,
get seventy percent of the reps. Then the twos come
in and get the next twenty percent of the reps,
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and then the threes get let's say ten to five
percent of the reps. Now it might change on a
given day, but it is disproportionately weighted to starters, backups,
and threes. And the thing is like at tight end,
if I'm George Kittle, I'm like, hey, coach, I need
a blow. I'm exhausted. It's like, hey, take this. Take
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the next ten plays off. So the ones, the twos,
in the threes, he just sits on the sideline and
the other tight ends rotate with the ones, rotate with
the twos, rotates with the threes. I can do that
at wide receiver. I can do that at running back.
I can do that at all the other skill positions. Right,
I cannot do that at quarterback. Quarterbacks aren't coming in
and out. They stay with the unit. Now with the threes,
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you can rotate the threes, or you can rotate a
guy with the twos. I guess. But like if you
are the twos quarterback, you get those reps. It's why
you see when there's a competition for the backup job.
They usually rotate them through training camp, but over the time,
like one guy ends up getting more reps what you
would have given going into training camp. Obviously, Joe Flacco
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is gonna get the ones and just based on his experience,
and I don't think this guy's any good. He's gonna
start with the twos. That's gonna be Kenny Pickett. So
you're gonna have two guys rotating with the threes. You're
just not gonna get at that many plays. So it
doesn't make any sense. I've seen a lot of people
try to justify It's like just keep throwing darts at
the dartboard, and I agree with most positions. It is
(10:11):
just very difficult to take multiple quarterbacks in a draft
and get a feel for either one throughout practices, So
you can't convince me. And other people have written about
this in The Athletic that this wasn't the owner, and
anytime the owner, I'm all for the owner having opinions.
It's his team, but when he's forcing you to take players,
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and this feels like it's like this is out of
Shador's control. But I just think it's a weird spot
and the other thing, and I mentioned this to Colin
is coaches in front office people sometimes disagree, right I
like a player that you don't like, or vice versa,
and sometimes we just agree to disagree and we take
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the player. And if the coach doesn't like the player
the front off drafted, he can manipulate how many reps
that guy gets at practice, how much energy and effort
I put into them, right, especially when you're talking mid
to late round picks. And if the coaching staff, if
the head coach, especially if the front office as well,
(11:16):
is not on board, they will not care because part
of and this is the cool part about like being
Jalen Milroe. Listen, I thought he's a pretty big wildcard,
pretty risky pick. But here's what I know. John Schneider
and Mike McDonald all in on him. Think about Mike
was around Lamar for years. Think about what made John
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Schneider a legend. He pounded the table for Russell Wilson,
So those guys believe in mobile quarterbacks. You know, Russell
was a better thrower than Lamar right away, just in
terms of accuracy. Lamar obviously became a much better player
over the course the last four or five years. But
when people support you, and this is no different than
any industry, when you work at a place where the
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guy that high hired you or the guy that runs
the company believes in you want you there, it's much
easier to succeed as a player, just like as any
normal employee. You can start sensing like, do these guys
even want me here? How often have we heard over
the years, older veteran guys, just players throughout the history
(12:20):
of the league, to be like, yeah, I was out
of place. The coach in the gym didn't like me,
but they just didn't want me there, And I knew
it was destined to fail early on. Happens all the time,
will continue to happen. It's happened historically in the league.
So I think this is a very clunky, weird, bizarre spot.
And while in theory I get like, I'll just throw
(12:42):
darts at a dartboard accumulate as many players as you can. Well, yeah,
it's easy to rotate slot corners in and out. It's
easy like, oh, this slot receiver gets these reps. It's
not really how quarterback works. You kind of got to
get a cohesion with the unit you're repping with just
very bizarre situation there, And obviously the prank call situation
(13:06):
is something that's gone pretty viral. Embarrassing. Look for the
kid who you know, stuck his tail between his legs
with his apology posts. Something calls them bad. Look for
jeff Olbrick. I also think some of the reaction, like
Jeff Olbrick should be suspended. It's like I don't even
necessarily believe the Atlanta Falcons. Of course this was the
(13:27):
Atlanta Falcons, Like, of course this stink is on Atlanta.
What just a poorly run operation, but like it was
his child. And I've been a college kidd and done
dumb things. My senior year in college the fall of
two thousand and seven, I actually I don't really talk
about this ever, because I was a business intern for
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the Kansas City Chiefs. So from basically middle to late
August till the middle of December, I moved to Kansas City.
My dad had like a friend that he went to
college with who knew a guy whose kid had rented
us a room for like three hundred bucks, lived in Overland,
Kansas and works for the Chiefs. And I worked in sales,
(14:11):
So I tried to help the guy, like, you know,
sell things in the stadium in terms of signage, just
tried to do a bunch of stuff in sales. It's
not what I wanted to do, but it was the
only way I get into the NFL. I had mailed
at the time. It was hard to get emails in
seven so I had mailed like every team in the
(14:31):
NFL and a lot of college teams asking if they
had any sort of internship in football, and I still
have them in my closet. A bunch of people emailed
you or mailed me back, the Giants, the Packers, the Bears,
these like generic like thanks for your interest, we got nothing,
and the chiefs for the one team that were like, yeah,
you can come work for us. I was like, I'm
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gonna work in the NFL. It was an unpaid job
in sales in a cubicle with like fifty other interns.
But I also utilized that time to meet people on HERM.
Edward's staff, and early on in the season before they
really started to suck, I would go up a couple
nights during the week and try to help him out
(15:14):
with like miscellaneous bullshit. Basically his like head of I
guess he would have been like the head of football
administration or something. He interviewed me to her, he was cool.
He kind of got my really the ball rolling of
what I aspired to do after that. And they used
to have these booklets and basically it had every number
(15:34):
of every human in the NFL. Because cell phones, while
they existed in oh seven, most people in any industry
in your office had a hard line, and if I
wanted to get a hold of the CEO of Microsoft
or Jerry Jones, he had a number directly to his
office that was separate of a cell phone. And this
booklet had every number in the league, from gms to
(15:57):
coaches to owners, obviously all the famous speed not players
or anything, but everyone that had an office in the league. Well,
when I went back to Cal Pauli, because I still
had spring and I guess winter and spring were on
the quarter system. I went back and live with my buddies,
still in a couple couple quarters of just I basically
had like one class remaining. I was partying, hanging, doing nothing,
(16:21):
doing whatever I wanted to do. And I think one
late night I bust out the book. We probably had
a few too many and I was like, uh, you
guys want to call Belichick again? This is I forget that.
I actually had forgotten about this until my buddy Trent
had told me a couple of years ago about this situation.
(16:41):
And I'm pretty sure two guys, and again, this could
have been Pacific standard time midnight on like a Saturday,
so people wouldn't even have been in the office. We
definitely called Belichick and Jerry Jones and you would get like,
especially you know whatever the number was, Extension two one
nine or Extension seventeen, and'd be like this Jerry Jones
office or this Belichick. It was incredible. We're all laughing
(17:04):
on stuff. So I think, listen, kids do dumb shit. Now.
I didn't get anyone on the horn. I don't even
think we left. We hung up. You know when it
would be like, babe, we just hang up. But everyone
the overreaction is it stupid? Is it a kid being
a fucking asshole? Yes? From what I've saw that it.
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Chador was not the only guy that this. This happened
to countless players. So was it all these guys somehow
they got hacked. I have never heard of someone's kid
getting access to numbers and then wearing these guys out.
But I do understand a situation where if you give
a twenty one year old who's fifteen course lights at
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The other thing is Belichick. The video or the interview
he did today was with CBS Morning News. First I
saw it as Portnoy head record and said, this is
the most bizarre, awkward interview I've ever seen, and then
it goes completely viral of him and his young girlfriend
who basically is acting as his PR manager, who's chiming in.
(20:12):
It's really really uncomfortable and part of being a college
head coach, which is a lot different than an NFL
head coach. Even with the nil and buying players, there
is still an element of selling yourself. In the NFL,
I don't need to sell shit. I sell by what
I pay you and do you want to win or loose?
And that is historically how it's operated in college. It's changed,
(20:36):
but like the reason Saban in Kirby and Ohio State
and Michigan always got the best players all my life,
just because you couldn't pay guys above the table, you
can still pay guys below the table. You still have
to recruit their parents the players. Stuff still matters, and
your personality, Like look at the top head coaches in
college football have big personalities, and it matters. Sitting in
living rooms and I'm watching Belichick thinking like this is
(21:00):
a little bizarre and I don't know how good North
Carolina is going to be this year. No clue know
nothing about their roster beside they just signed this kid
from South Alabama who was like a mobile dual threat quarterback,
which feels a little bit weird, but we'll see how
that operates in Belichick's offense, which I'm not even quite
sure what it is, but we'll find out what it
(21:20):
is pretty quickly. I just watched that video and I
thought to myself, of, like, Belichick's never working in the
NFL again. I don't think anyone's hiring this guy. And
I think this situation with his girlfriend, like most owners
in the NFL have probably seven girlfriends. No one judges you.
Robert Kraft's wife died and he had like a thirty
(21:41):
year old on his arm the next day. So it's like,
it's not like the NFL is some moral police when
it comes to the age gap of who you're allowed
to date. Nobody cares. But it's one thing when you
hear about it, and it's another thing to see it
in that environment. And Belichick gave this interview like he
had just lost to the Kansasity Chiefs and they're onto Cincinnati,
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and it's like, I don't know if you can really
act like that in these settings, in the position you're
now in with this girl on the side, who I
don't blame her, she's you know, she can say whatever
she wants. Would she be dating this seventy three year
old if he was a plumber? Of course not. It
helps when you go, this guy's worth probably one hundred
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plus million dollars. Let's call a spade a spade. And look,
there's nothing wrong with that. It's her prerogative. She can
bang whoever she wants to. But when you see that
version on CBS, you like, this is rough man, This
is rough for your current job. And I'm a Belichick fan.
I think he's the best coach I've ever seen. And
some of the stuff that people crush him for, none
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of it matters. In the pros, it's a very black
and white league. You win or you lose. You win
or do you lose? Nothing else really matters. Belichick had
a guy who murdered someone down the road from his house.
It's like, yeah, well kind of, We'll move on and
we'll win three more Super Bowls. That's the NFL for you.
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In a nutshell, The Baltimore Ravens. I've talked about this
over and over, like as polarizing ador. He honestly overshadowed
some of these red flag guys that were drafted in
the first and second round. Major red flag guys know
if the guy gets ten sacks, no one will give
a shit beside a couple of big j's on Twitter
that no one will listen to. And like the reason
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the Ravens think about this, the Ravens drafted a kicker
in the sixth round. They have no clue if Tucker
is Deshaun Watson two point zero. And let's face it,
if Justin Tucker had got covery rears, kids a handy
in a massage star fourth therapist a couple times, no
one in the NFL would care. If you don't think
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most people in the NFL haven't experienced something like that,
People in society haven't. Like a lot of you would
be throwing stone out a glass house. Listen, I'm not
gonna get up here in my ie horse snack like
you know you haven't been to a massage therapist over
the years. The reason Deshaun Watson was so I would
say bizarre in such a toxic situation is like, bro,
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were you addicted to this? Was this an addiction for you?
That's weird, especially when you're like a good looking quarterback
who's really rich. Shouldn't need a bunch of handies at
the local massage therapist, right, And the Tucker thing is
feels like it's in a similar vein. But the reason
they drafted a kicker, and more than likely Justin Tucker
won't be on their team this year is because he
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can't kick anymore. His career is winding down. He's not good.
If he was still wildly considered one of the greatest
kickers of all time in the prime of his career,
they would overlook it. It's why Belichick all those years
it was like doing some weird shit. When he comes
out of that Nantucket house with his shirt off, probably
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not sleeping with a fifty year old, don't blame him.
Their like he's got options, right, Everyone's like, wow, he's
Bill Belichick. Six rings. You start struggling people like, when
you're a sales guy and you're the number one sales
guy in your company, you can do whatever you want.
They're probably not gonna get rid of you. Mister Quota's
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four quarters in a row see o that goes. And
I just think sometimes people get on their high horse
about stuff and football. It's like, if they think you
can play, you're gonna be on the squad. If they
don't think you can play, you won't be well, they'll
overlook you. And uh. The argument that we've had for
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a long time, which I do think is like kind
of jump the shark about the conferences and the where
the best players are. And we argued forever about the
uh who should be in the playoffs? And I understand,
just because you have a lot of guys drafted doesn't
mean you're a great team. But it's pretty clear watching
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Ole Miss right or Alabama that even in years where
they underachieve, they're way better than SMU. And looking back
at the College Football Playoff when everyone argued SMU deserves it,
how many guys at SMU just have drafted? The SEC Again,
for I don't know, the one hundredth year in a
row had more players than any conference drafted. If you
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combined the ACC and the Big twelve, they don't even
equal the SEC and they only eclipse the Big Ten
by a couple of players. I feel stronger and stronger
about this take and thought by the day, definitely by
the year. This is only going to continue to consolidate.
And I'm not pro like what has happened to college football.
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I did not want the Pac twelve to disappear. I
was not rooting for that. I love the Pac twelve.
I wish it still existed. I loved watching Oregon State
try to upset USC. I loved watching Washington State try
to take down on Kaylin Dubor when he had a
loaded team. That was cool. Those days are over. Those
programs are now essentially D one double A. Fresno State
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got my start in football. It'll be D one Double
A or D two here really quick. These programs that
aren't not only Power four were headed to the power too.
That's where we're going. Miami, Florida State, North carol They
already want out of the ACC. So the lucrative programs
in the third best conference one out. They don't want
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it to exist. And listen, I respect the Big Twelve
in terms of basketball. At football, it's a terrible conference.
It really it's a it's it is much closer the
Big Twelve. And I'm not some shit talker. I loved
Arizona and Arizona State when they were in the Pac Twelve.
But watching those two programs, especially Arizona State this year,
play in the Big Twelve, it's just not a very
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good football conference. They lost their two best programs, Texas
and Oklahoma. The Big Twelve is closer to the Mountain
West than it is the Big Ten enter the SEC. Honestly,
I don't even think it's that close. So like the argument,
and this is where college football is going to become
pretty fascinating. A lot of people have wondered quin Yours.
Did Quinn Yours make a mistake. It was obvious when
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he chose to come out in the NFL that he
could have made more money staying in college. He knew
that when he made the decision, because we all knew.
It's like, Quinn, you're not going to go in the
first two days of the draft, and we know the
going rate when we see Carson Beck making a couple
million dollars, like, you can still make millions of dollars now.
I could also understand being a twenty one year old
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kid like I don't want to go to class anymore.
I don't want to stay on campus. I don't want
people to view me like Tyler Shuck. I'm just here
for the long haul. I do think though, you'll look
back if the NFL career does not go well. It
is hard in the real world, really really difficult, very
difficult to make millions of dollars. And if you're out
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of the NFL, like a lot of players are in
under three years, the amount of money that you will accumulate,
especially if you only play on the couple practice squads
and then you barely even get a year and you're
out of the league, you will never be able to
recoup that money. Now, maybe go on to a successful career,
but it's more than likely gonna take you some time
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to build up your career to even make big time
money for a decade, two decades, Like, it's gonna take
a while, and I think it's gonna be a conversation
moving forward. Like Carson Beck went to Miami, he was
in the same situation. He easily could have come out.
He would have been drafted just like all these other
guys in the sixth, seventh round. Instead he's like, I'm
gonna cash in. I think it's crazy, Like I wouldn't
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give millions of dollars to Carson Beck or Queen Viewers.
But I'm not running these programs, and these programs are
proving they will do it now. I also think this argument,
like that's out there on the internet, the guys, if
they don't get drafted where they want to go, should
be able to come back to college. Like, No, I
don't agree with that, but maybe we should lengthen the time.
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I'd have no problem with going up to like free
Like you're allowed to go to the Combine and through
basically free agency to start a free agency March fifteenth,
that's the date, and you're able to test the waters.
You know, the NBA has done this for a long time,
go to the Combine and if you want to back up.
I even think the NFL in college has tried to
institute that. But I think more guys should utilize that.
And if you want to stay, Hey, this is going
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right now. I do think it's a little complicated with
the transfer portal and everything, but that's a lot of
money to pass up. It really is. But I also
understand as someone I could count on two hands the
things I've learned in class in college. Not even I
don't think I learned anything in a classroom in college,
not one thing, And college really benefited my life. Everything
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I learned was outside of the classroom, meeting new people,
trying to date women that I didn't grow up with,
like doing stuff for professionally when you know nobody, trying
to kind of forge your path. Like everything I learned
in my four five four years in a couple of
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quarters at cal Pauly was outside of a classroom. So
I understand these guys going this is stupid. I agree
with you. Unless you're gonna become a doctor or an engineer,
most things you're gonna learn in this classroom will not
benefit you as you age professionally at all. But like,
I know people that are just ready for the next
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challenge and ready for the next thing. And I can't
imagine it's easier for me at forty years old to
value money and understand like and be able to look
at things from a twenty thousand foot view than it
is for a young guy who's just been making I
bet Queen yours made millions of dollars in the last
couple of years, so because I'll just make more and
(31:53):
he'll look back maybe in five years of Like, God,
I should have just transferred A and M. I'm just
picking random schools, but he clearly would have had options,
and it's going to be fascinating to watch how this
plays out, like if these got and part of it
is this. You know, Shador made a lot of money
in branding because he was a really famous college player.
(32:16):
Same with Quinn eyrs really famous college player. That brand
changes dramatically. If you're not good in the NFL, no
one cares. I've always hated athletes that try to start
brands that basically are just copying, like Michael Jordan or
Tiger Woods or some of these guys. Like the biggest
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brands in my life when it comes to athletes are
based on guys who are fucking legends, champions, the greatest
players of all time. I mean, the greatest athlete brand
not even close, is Michael Jordan, also known for one
of the greatest champions in the history of society. I
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don't even know what TB twelve is, but when you
say TV twelve, everyone knows it. Why because he's got
seven Super Bowls. Tiger Woods literally changed the way business
professionals wore collared shirts to work and changed an entire industry.
The polo industry because he was winning majors every single year.
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Part of your brand has to be greatness, right Patrick.
You can build a brand in brands behind Patrick Mahomes
why he wins NonStop. The NBA is full of these
guys whose brand like what are you doing? You know
this ain't gonna work, and usually it does. Now I'm
not saying like I kind of say, I feel like
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you're just being a hater talking reality, And I think
these guys are gonna look back like, did I make
a mistake? Now? I don't Shadore. I'm sure thought even
if he fell, was gonna be a second round pick. Everyone,
every single human knew that quinn Ewers was not gonna
get drafted very high. Honestly, I'm a little surprised he
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got drafted at all. He could have stayed chose not to,
and I wonder if he's going to be used as an
example moving forward the difference. You know, Basically, they came
to a fork in the road, him and Carson Beck.
They were in two separate cars, driving right next to
each other. Carson Beck went, I'm gonna cash into ching.
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Quinn Ewer said, I can never look at another professor
who even knows if he was going to class. I've
talked to some of you young guys. Half your classes
are online. I would have died for an online class
when I was in college. He's like, I'm going pro.
And then you get drafted late and you only make
one hundred grand, which is incredible for ninety nine point
nine percent of you know, twenty twenty one, twenty two
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year olds. But when you've been used to making millions
of dollars, it has to be like, damn, did I
make the right decision. The volume
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