Daniel Cormier and Din Thomas ARE BACK with another special edition of DC's 3 Rounds, and the guys are here to talk about all the major headlines surrounding the biggest names in the UFC and MMA. Jon Jones announced his retirement two weeks ago but is now BACK in the testing pool, and Din IS NOT HAVING IT! Cormier and Thomas break down what that means for Tom Aspinall's next fight and why the behavior is similar to Conor McGregor. DC and Din also talk what's next for Alex Pereira at light heavyweight and why a rematch with Magomed Ankalaev is the fight to make. And get the guys' thoughts on Sean Strickland's public beef with Dan Henderson and what Sean needs to do to get back his UFC title. #Volume
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Speaker 4 (02:05):
I hate him.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Last week body shot, body shot, body shot. I ate
his ass up, but he came back. Dean Thomas back
for another fight. D I mean you came back?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Hey, I'm back, Baby, I can't.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I might.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I might have went down for a little bit, but
I'm back for the rematch.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Man, bring it then, go let me tell you something
this dude right here Dean, and thank you guys all
for watching. Dean came prepared to fight last week, but
as you guys know, I'm always ready to go three
rounds with Dean Thomas, Chris Widman, you, Dominic Cruz. It
don't matter who steps up to the player, who steps
in this octagon with me. When there's talking, the boy
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DC is ready for a fight.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
So let's go.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I'm experience round one Dean. John Jones retired a couple
of weeks ago, said he was done, no longer is
he ready to fight in the UFC. But then on
July fourth, a tweet comes out, I have just re
entered the uside of testing pool, figuring we keep everyone's
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options open.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
What was your initial thought when you heard that from
John Jones.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
My initial thought when I heard that was this dude
just love attention.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
He love attention. He's just trying to keep his name
out there. He love attention.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
He like dangling his status over our head, and I
hate it. I'm gonna tell you right now, man, I
don't give a fuck if John Jones ever fights again.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Man. He's the greatest to ever do it. For sure,
he's great, He's super great. But I don't care if
he ever fights again. Just sit off and rode up
until Sunday. You know it was Sun said you don't
I care about I care about Illiotdaporia, Dustin Poirier, the
dudes that's out there putting a life on the line
for us. I care about those dudes. John Jones, I
don't care if he fights again.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Okay, So my initial thought was why why?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
So I figured he was trolling. I thought he was trolling.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I thought he was messing with the kind of giving
him a hard time because he knew how much they
wanted him to fight Tom aspinall. But then he didn't,
and he says, you know what, this don't mean.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Enough to me. I'm done.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
My biggest issue is why are you playing with people's emotions?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
It seemed like that's something he's been doing quite a
bit lately.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Now, I will say this, Dean, we have not seen
John Jones fight often, and I don't like you put
me in a very uncomfortable position because you say stuff
like you don't care I fights again. I don't want
to be the guy. You don't make me be the
guy that's like, well, we need John Jones. You try
to do this shit to me on purpose.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
No, no, you could agree with me on this. I
mean you said it. I've read the news lines. Man,
you said it you wanted to see him.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Fight at the White House.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, that would be kind of cool, right if we
need an American to go to fight at the White House. Yeah,
John Jones is the guy, probably, But man, I just
don't like when these dudes we spent a year and
a half talking about him not fighting a year and
a half.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I'm like, Yo, just wride off, dog.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
You had a great career, you had two great Hall
of Fame careers, just right off into the sunset.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Stop playing with our emotions. Man, I'm tired of it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Hey, you know so John Jones had the two o
five pound career that was Hall of Fame. John Jones
had a heavyweight career where he's champ, defended the belt.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
John Jones is like the last person we saw that
had two careers that were Hall of Fame where it
was Barry Bonds. Barry Bonds and Pittsburgh was a Hall
of Famer. Barry Bonds in San Francisco was a Hall
of Famer. But he's not in the Hall of Fame.
So my question to you is, when he walked away,
John Jones, he comes back, does he get I mean,
he gets into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Right, Barry Bonds is.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Not in the Hall of Fame because of all the
drug stuff. John Jones is going into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Right, He's going into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I mean, I know it's sad, it's hard to say that,
but he's going into the.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Hall of fame. I know he's got so many different.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Transgressions, the drug stuff, his personal life is all like
you know, I mean, obviously you don't want to roll
use him as a role model for your kids. Yeah,
but what he's done inside the octagon is definitely hall
of fame worthy.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
You could never take that away from him. He's hall
of Fame worthy.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But I'm not telling my son to look up to
him as a role model put it.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, but so so Dean.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You said you don't care if he fights again, But
you're telling me that if if Tom Aspinall and John
Jones comes back, because here's the deal. If John Jones
says I'm fighting again, it has to be Tom Aspinall.
How in the world can you say, I'm not really
buying into that. Is it just because he's been gone
so long that.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
You just push it out out of your mind?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Hasn't become like Conny McGregor's become like con McGregor.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
It's Connor McGregor saying.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Now, if John Jones came back signed on the dotted
line that he was fighting Tom aspinall, yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I'd be excited for it. I'd be in the front
row to watch it.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
But the fact that he's dangling his carrot over our
head about fighting it completely is despicable. Like, just leave, man,
just leave it, Like, I mean, do you is it
really for attention?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Does he need attention that bad?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It feels like it feels like that, right if he
was kind of both do that every big moment. They
kind of attached themselves to the story to try to
make sure that their name stays relevant.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
And I agree, I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I don't love that so much when guys do that
when the story should be about to active fighters. But
if he decides he wants to fight, sure, I don't
think he has to have an option but to fight
that guy. Though he said it's good to be the
hunter now and not the hunted, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
It changes anything.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
He's still the champion, right he walked away.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
With a bill, He's still the champion.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
He walked away, I mean, and you can't take away
what he's done in his career. It's Hall of Fame worthy.
John Jones is the greatest ever. But make a decision
and leave it at that.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah, make a decision. Leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Don't keep rolling around playing with our emotions and the
fans emotions because you know they want to see you fight.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
So yeah, either fight or you hit the door.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Dean, and I actually agree, even though I just said
it much nicer.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Than my man Dean Thomas.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
All Right, Dean, Alex Perrera just turned thirty eight years old.
Alex Purra has been a world win of a fighter
in the UFC. He's been an amazing ambassador for the UFC,
has been the most active champion for the UFC. Ultimately,
though he just lost his championship and as you age
it gets a little more difficult to keep up what
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he was doing in terms of performances. So my question
to you, Deane is is it too late for Alex
or can Alex Perrera at this age still recapture what
made him such a lightning bolt of energy and positivity
in mixed martial arts.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
There's no one in mma harder on older fighters than
I am. I've said it about Kamara Ousman and all
these other guys as they get older, I've said it's
too late for him. But I think Alex Paheeda is
the exception in this case for a couple of different reasons.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
First Off, I.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Think he's got a style that limits or that actually
helps him in terms of his age. He doesn't move
his feet a lot, he doesn't wrestle a lot, and
he's just got power. The guy has running into so
he's not putting a lot of wear and tear on
his body and training probably and he definitely doesn't put
a lot of wear and tear on his body during fights. Secondly,
he is in top three worst divisions in the UFC,
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top three worst divisions in the UFC really, which means
which means.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
That all he's gotta do is probably not even fight again.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
He could he should probably get in the media rematch
because there's no one else in the division really that
warrants a rematch or fight against Magematic and Coliath.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
So what are the top what are the worst divisions
in the UFCD Light heavyweight So.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I'd tall light heavyweight is the is the three is
the number three, then I would say heavyweight, and then
I would say Women's bandonm weight.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Really you think those are the three worst divisions? Kill
Harrison is the champ there.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And I mean she came in and just beat everybody
up and seconds, So I mean, I mean it's the worst.
It's the three worst divisions in the UFC, right, Heavyweight,
heavyweight and Women's bandon weight. So Alex Maheta at thirty
eight can still go out there and win a championship
and still defend it probably three more times.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So my thing with Alex Feerra's right, I don't understand
how a guy who had such a long kickboxing career
doesn't carry more of the damage that you sustain in
that type of environment, especially when it's all striking. Right,
Alex Ferrera was a world champion kickboxer, and he doesn't.
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Bro when you met when I met Showgun and I
met No Gerra, those guys they were walking like they
had the longest careers of all time.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Them dudes are like in there or they were in
their early thirties, bro Jose, all those like thirty four
years old. But he like he carries the years of competition.
It doesn't seem like Para has that.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
I don't understand and either.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Honestly, I saw Minetoe at the fights a couple of
weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
He's my age. He looked like he was in his
early hundred. Yeah. I was like, how's this dude? How
is this dude my age? I mean he was. He
gave me a little deadfish handshake.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
He looked hard, hard careers and hard training and hard
spar Remember the stories that we were to hear about
those guys back in the day, and I had I
trained with that guy when he was younger. Those were
some hard training sessions and those take a toll on him.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Pray hasn't seemed to have that now.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
He got knocked out bad versus at a sign that
was a that one is very damaging.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
But outside of that, right, even the Unclaiath fight, he
didn't take that much damage.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
He got controlled.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
But my question to you is this right, does he
get an immediate rematch or does he want the media rematch?
Because how much better can he fight against Uncle Elijav.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Than he did the last one? Because Uncliab never took
him down?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I know, and you're right about that. I mean, that's
kind of the the big question and he do something different.
I'm not sure he can do anything different, but I
do think that maybe he's just he's always one punch
away from changing the course of the fight. So that's
why I think that if you give him another twenty
five minutes against an Calive, he might find that punch.
And I think that's his best chance of winning that
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fight is to be able to find that punch. I
think he should get an immediate rematch because I don't
trust as much as I like Khalil Rowntree.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
As dangerous says he is.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
That abysmo performance he had in where was it uh
in Iserbaijan against Jamal Hill that did that despicable performance.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I mean he won the fight, but I thought it
was a terrible performance for ABC.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I thought, when you go out there you get a
this they play college football at that time, you're supposed
to go out there and show out.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I think dominated he dominated Jamal Hill.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
You gotta you gotta, you gotta do a little more.
So I don't think he deserves the shot at the title.
I say give it to alex Pahea.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, give for her another opportunity or help put Uri
in there, and maybe Yuri gets past Unclejab with Perrera.
I believe, even at thirty eight, is still very, very
valuable to this weight division.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Experience.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Round three D Sean.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Strickland is a lightning rod for information. So now he's
kind of getting into it with Dan Henderson, a great
legend from mixed martial arts history. He said, you know,
he got in a little argument matches with some of
the guys that thought he was going too hard. Dan
talking about practice. He said, then he would go online
and talk shit about him, and he did it a
little bit too much. It just more socially. I didn't
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care what happened in the room. When you send it
out to everybody to hear all that shit, it's disrespectful
for your training partners, guys that are in there training
with you to help you out as well.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
He just did it to in times. I warned him
a bunch. Finally, I said, hey, dude, you're done. You've
got to go.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Seawan replied on the Overdogs Instagram page, he said, none
of it's true. I was Dan's main training partner for
his last he retired. The fight team fell off, and
when it was time to renew my membership I left,
But he is correct. I would make fun of the
fight team constantly. They would do yoga and skip sparring,
laugh all about I'm talking Keith Barry, I'm talking about you.
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Funny thing is we're both at extreme culture now and
we spar regularly. What do you make of all this
with Sean Strickland.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I think it's depressing.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Actually, really, I really do think it's depressing to hear
Sean Strickland tough like this, because the stories you hear
about Sean Strickland from every high level guy that I
noticed ever worked with him said that he's like the
best guy in the room.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
And I believe that he could possibly be.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
The best one hundred and eighty five pound fighter in
the world right now.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
If he put his energy into actually fighting in the fight.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Sean. I gotta say this, I gotta say this. I
gotta say this. I like Sean Strickland. I think he's
I think he's an amazing fighter.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
But after watching the Last Drinkers fight, I cannot allow
you to sit up on this and say he's the
best one eighty five.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
That's my point list, that's my point.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
No, I'm not doing that I'm not doing it.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
If he put the same amount of energy that he
does on fighting YouTubers and have him be with other people,
If you put that energy into fighting the top contenders
in the big fights, he would be winning.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
But he doesn't get that.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
But he still fights hard, but that Drake has just
shut him down completely last time.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Look, I don't like I don't like gym stories getting
out like that.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
There's one of the oldest rules in all of mixed
martial arts, and I don't even know where it started.
They have some things that are said time and time
again that just don't make sense, Like to be the man,
you gotta beat the man. If you win a belt,
you gotta defend it to be a champion. All that
is nonsense. Once you get that belt, you're a chance.
You don't have to beat the man to be the man.
That was Rick Flair, that was in professional wrestling.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Shit don't matter.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
But when the band somebody said, what happens in the
gym stays in the gym, that's true because you see
people getting knocked out, you see some bad stuff inside
of a gym that you don't want to let the
world know because you want to protect your training partners.
So I gotta agree with Hiders here. I also saw
Sean Strickland getting to a fight with a guy that
choked out one of his teammates in the UH in
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A in the smallest shot that was tough enough. Chris
Curtis was involved, too, mean, when is it enough?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
It's enough? It's I mean, that's my point.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
If he would take that energy, if he had that
energy against DDP in the in the fight with DDP,
he still had a belt.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
That's why I'm saying, I'm it's depressing.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
It's just the fact that he's so in the weeds
right now he can't see the big picture. Because when
his career is over, he's gonna look back and go, damn,
like he can't see it right now, your knucklehead. And
I'm sure Eric Nixon tells him all the time, Hey man,
you gotta focus on your career, focus on doing the
right things, because you let these dudes beat you and
you better than them.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
It's just it felt like last fight was the first
time I saw him and Eric not on the same page.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Because for everything that Sean was, Sean and I have
had some great moments. I interview him every time he fights.
We've had some great.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Moments, all my stealing from Walmart and all kind of.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Stuff, but like he is, he usually is pretty locked
in in those regards. But last time was the first
time I felt like him and Eric weren't on the
same page in that fight. I don't like seeing pros
going into fights, especially the UFC caliber guys world champions,
fighting with guys on the smaller level because they beat
a team. I don't know what happened in that situation,
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but you, as an elite mixed martial artist, especially a
UFC champion, you gotta be the guy that takes the
high role because we always have to.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Take the high role. I'm constantly getting disrespected.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
I know, man, that used to bother me DC. I
ain't gonna lie to you, man. I know you, my dog.
I know we go on here, we go back and forth,
but you my dog.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Man, and I feel disrespected when people forget how good
you were and how much of us, how much of
an imprint you have on the game. I'm disrespected by that,
And you're right, Sean Strickler needed to take the high road.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
On that and just let it go because he's supposed
to be the man.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
When you saw that, what are you thinking? Like, those
guys are fighting in the occoland would have got it
just saw you gotta at least respect the guy enough to.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Floor that he just thought a fight exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
But I'm but for me, I'm more thir thinking like, dude,
where was that guy in the third round against Drinkus
while you just jabbing against Dracus.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Yeah, you throwing big right hands on the dude who
just had a fight.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Well, you gotta be careful, right, You gotta be careful.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Sometimes whenever you are the biggest, baddest, right because he
does fight with YouTubers and he does beat up on
professional mixed martsh lardist, you gotta be very careful when
you meet that match that you're ready to step up
to the challenge. I think Sean Strickland is a tremendous fighter.
I think he's got a real living in a little
bit though, because it seems to be going off the rails.
I mean, hell, go back and watch the interview he
did with Laura Sanko.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
That was uncomfortable. Let's get it together, Sean Strickland.
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Speaker 2 (20:10):
Now for my final thought, guys, you have see Chicago.
Homsat Jamaiah is supposed to fight Drakes duplus C. Not
even a month ago there were rumors that Hamasat Jamaiah
was injured, that he was not going to be in Chicago.
Guess what he's going to Chicago. I saw him training
with coach Calavina in the garage down in Los Angeles.
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And if you're training with that man, there is nothing
wrong with you. Because the way that he pushes his athletes,
the way that he works him to exhaustion, the way
that he really does test you mentally physically, that means
you cannot be injured. And if Hamsat Jamaia was to
have any issue with Drakens du plus C as we
saw with Gilbert Burnsa Kamora Huzman, it would be the
longer fight in the cardial There's a guy that can
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get him ready.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
It is coach Cal.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
It seems like he's doing all the right things. But
hold on a minute. You do not look past DDP.
Time and time again, people want to disrespect this young man.
He is a dominant champion and he intends to get
the job done again at UFC three nineteen down in
chicag I can't wait. I was so bummed when I
heard that that fight may be canceled. But now that
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I know Chamaiah's here, Chamaiah's in the United States, it's
all systems go, and there's nothing better in terms of
that thought to me as a guy that gets sitting
next to the octagon. Boy, it's gonna be good. I
cannot wait to USC three nineteen. Dan, Thank you again
for coming on, bro. I love challenging, I love going
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back and forth with you. It's amazing. I love I
love this concept, and I love having you on the show.
Thank you, Dino, my man.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Always You're the man.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
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Speaker 4 (02:05):
I hate him.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Last week body shot, body shot, body shot. I ate
his ass up, but he came back. Dean Thomas back
for another fight. D I mean you came back?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Hey, I'm back, Baby, I can't.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I might.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I might have went down for a little bit, but
I'm back for the rematch.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Man, bring it then, go let me tell you something
this dude right here Dean, and thank you guys all
for watching. Dean came prepared to fight last week, but
as you guys know, I'm always ready to go three
rounds with Dean Thomas, Chris Widman, you, Dominic Cruz. It
don't matter who steps up to the player, who steps
in this octagon with me. When there's talking, the boy
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DC is ready for a fight.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
So let's go.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I'm experience round one Dean. John Jones retired a couple
of weeks ago, said he was done, no longer is
he ready to fight in the UFC. But then on
July fourth, a tweet comes out, I have just re
entered the uside of testing pool, figuring we keep everyone's
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options open.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
What was your initial thought when you heard that from
John Jones.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
My initial thought when I heard that was this dude
just love attention.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
He love attention. He's just trying to keep his name
out there. He love attention.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
He like dangling his status over our head, and I
hate it. I'm gonna tell you right now, man, I
don't give a fuck if John Jones ever fights again.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Man. He's the greatest to ever do it. For sure,
he's great, He's super great. But I don't care if
he ever fights again. Just sit off and rode up
until Sunday. You know it was Sun said you don't
I care about I care about Illiotdaporia, Dustin Poirier, the
dudes that's out there putting a life on the line
for us. I care about those dudes. John Jones, I
don't care if he fights again.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Okay, So my initial thought was why why?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
So I figured he was trolling. I thought he was trolling.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I thought he was messing with the kind of giving
him a hard time because he knew how much they
wanted him to fight Tom aspinall. But then he didn't,
and he says, you know what, this don't mean.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Enough to me. I'm done.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
My biggest issue is why are you playing with people's emotions?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
It seemed like that's something he's been doing quite a
bit lately.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Now, I will say this, Dean, we have not seen
John Jones fight often, and I don't like you put
me in a very uncomfortable position because you say stuff
like you don't care I fights again. I don't want
to be the guy. You don't make me be the
guy that's like, well, we need John Jones. You try
to do this shit to me on purpose.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
No, no, you could agree with me on this. I
mean you said it. I've read the news lines. Man,
you said it you wanted to see him.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Fight at the White House.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, that would be kind of cool, right if we
need an American to go to fight at the White House. Yeah,
John Jones is the guy, probably, But man, I just
don't like when these dudes we spent a year and
a half talking about him not fighting a year and
a half.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I'm like, Yo, just wride off, dog.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
You had a great career, you had two great Hall
of Fame careers, just right off into the sunset.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Stop playing with our emotions. Man, I'm tired of it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Hey, you know so John Jones had the two o
five pound career that was Hall of Fame. John Jones
had a heavyweight career where he's champ, defended the belt.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
John Jones is like the last person we saw that
had two careers that were Hall of Fame where it
was Barry Bonds. Barry Bonds and Pittsburgh was a Hall
of Famer. Barry Bonds in San Francisco was a Hall
of Famer. But he's not in the Hall of Fame.
So my question to you is, when he walked away,
John Jones, he comes back, does he get I mean,
he gets into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Right, Barry Bonds is.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Not in the Hall of Fame because of all the
drug stuff. John Jones is going into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Right, He's going into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I mean, I know it's sad, it's hard to say that,
but he's going into the.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Hall of fame. I know he's got so many different.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Transgressions, the drug stuff, his personal life is all like
you know, I mean, obviously you don't want to roll
use him as a role model for your kids. Yeah,
but what he's done inside the octagon is definitely hall
of fame worthy.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
You could never take that away from him. He's hall
of Fame worthy.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But I'm not telling my son to look up to
him as a role model put it.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, but so so Dean.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You said you don't care if he fights again, But
you're telling me that if if Tom Aspinall and John
Jones comes back, because here's the deal. If John Jones
says I'm fighting again, it has to be Tom Aspinall.
How in the world can you say, I'm not really
buying into that. Is it just because he's been gone
so long that.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
You just push it out out of your mind?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Hasn't become like Conny McGregor's become like con McGregor.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
It's Connor McGregor saying.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Now, if John Jones came back signed on the dotted
line that he was fighting Tom aspinall, yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I'd be excited for it. I'd be in the front
row to watch it.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
But the fact that he's dangling his carrot over our
head about fighting it completely is despicable. Like, just leave, man,
just leave it, Like, I mean, do you is it
really for attention?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Does he need attention that bad?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It feels like it feels like that, right if he
was kind of both do that every big moment. They
kind of attached themselves to the story to try to
make sure that their name stays relevant.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
And I agree, I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I don't love that so much when guys do that
when the story should be about to active fighters. But
if he decides he wants to fight, sure, I don't
think he has to have an option but to fight
that guy. Though he said it's good to be the
hunter now and not the hunted, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
It changes anything.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
He's still the champion, right he walked away.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
With a bill, He's still the champion.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
He walked away, I mean, and you can't take away
what he's done in his career. It's Hall of Fame worthy.
John Jones is the greatest ever. But make a decision
and leave it at that.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah, make a decision. Leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Don't keep rolling around playing with our emotions and the
fans emotions because you know they want to see you fight.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
So yeah, either fight or you hit the door.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Dean, and I actually agree, even though I just said
it much nicer.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Than my man Dean Thomas.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
All Right, Dean, Alex Perrera just turned thirty eight years old.
Alex Purra has been a world win of a fighter
in the UFC. He's been an amazing ambassador for the UFC,
has been the most active champion for the UFC. Ultimately,
though he just lost his championship and as you age
it gets a little more difficult to keep up what
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he was doing in terms of performances. So my question
to you, Deane is is it too late for Alex
or can Alex Perrera at this age still recapture what
made him such a lightning bolt of energy and positivity
in mixed martial arts.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
There's no one in mma harder on older fighters than
I am. I've said it about Kamara Ousman and all
these other guys as they get older, I've said it's
too late for him. But I think Alex Paheeda is
the exception in this case for a couple of different reasons.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
First Off, I.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Think he's got a style that limits or that actually
helps him in terms of his age. He doesn't move
his feet a lot, he doesn't wrestle a lot, and
he's just got power. The guy has running into so
he's not putting a lot of wear and tear on
his body and training probably and he definitely doesn't put
a lot of wear and tear on his body during fights. Secondly,
he is in top three worst divisions in the UFC,
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top three worst divisions in the UFC really, which means
which means.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
That all he's gotta do is probably not even fight again.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
He could he should probably get in the media rematch
because there's no one else in the division really that
warrants a rematch or fight against Magematic and Coliath.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
So what are the top what are the worst divisions
in the UFCD Light heavyweight So.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I'd tall light heavyweight is the is the three is
the number three, then I would say heavyweight, and then
I would say Women's bandonm weight.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Really you think those are the three worst divisions? Kill
Harrison is the champ there.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And I mean she came in and just beat everybody
up and seconds, So I mean, I mean it's the worst.
It's the three worst divisions in the UFC, right, Heavyweight,
heavyweight and Women's bandon weight. So Alex Maheta at thirty
eight can still go out there and win a championship
and still defend it probably three more times.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So my thing with Alex Feerra's right, I don't understand
how a guy who had such a long kickboxing career
doesn't carry more of the damage that you sustain in
that type of environment, especially when it's all striking. Right,
Alex Ferrera was a world champion kickboxer, and he doesn't.
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Bro when you met when I met Showgun and I
met No Gerra, those guys they were walking like they
had the longest careers of all time.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Them dudes are like in there or they were in
their early thirties, bro Jose, all those like thirty four
years old. But he like he carries the years of competition.
It doesn't seem like Para has that.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
I don't understand and either.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Honestly, I saw Minetoe at the fights a couple of
weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
He's my age. He looked like he was in his
early hundred. Yeah. I was like, how's this dude? How
is this dude my age? I mean he was. He
gave me a little deadfish handshake.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
He looked hard, hard careers and hard training and hard
spar Remember the stories that we were to hear about
those guys back in the day, and I had I
trained with that guy when he was younger. Those were
some hard training sessions and those take a toll on him.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Pray hasn't seemed to have that now.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
He got knocked out bad versus at a sign that
was a that one is very damaging.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
But outside of that, right, even the Unclaiath fight, he
didn't take that much damage.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
He got controlled.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
But my question to you is this right, does he
get an immediate rematch or does he want the media rematch?
Because how much better can he fight against Uncle Elijav.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Than he did the last one? Because Uncliab never took
him down?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I know, and you're right about that. I mean, that's
kind of the the big question and he do something different.
I'm not sure he can do anything different, but I
do think that maybe he's just he's always one punch
away from changing the course of the fight. So that's
why I think that if you give him another twenty
five minutes against an Calive, he might find that punch.
And I think that's his best chance of winning that
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fight is to be able to find that punch. I
think he should get an immediate rematch because I don't
trust as much as I like Khalil Rowntree.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
As dangerous says he is.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
That abysmo performance he had in where was it uh
in Iserbaijan against Jamal Hill that did that despicable performance.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I mean he won the fight, but I thought it
was a terrible performance for ABC.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I thought, when you go out there you get a
this they play college football at that time, you're supposed
to go out there and show out.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I think dominated he dominated Jamal Hill.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
You gotta you gotta, you gotta do a little more.
So I don't think he deserves the shot at the title.
I say give it to alex Pahea.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, give for her another opportunity or help put Uri
in there, and maybe Yuri gets past Unclejab with Perrera.
I believe, even at thirty eight, is still very, very
valuable to this weight division.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Experience.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Round three D Sean.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Strickland is a lightning rod for information. So now he's
kind of getting into it with Dan Henderson, a great
legend from mixed martial arts history. He said, you know,
he got in a little argument matches with some of
the guys that thought he was going too hard. Dan
talking about practice. He said, then he would go online
and talk shit about him, and he did it a
little bit too much. It just more socially. I didn't
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care what happened in the room. When you send it
out to everybody to hear all that shit, it's disrespectful
for your training partners, guys that are in there training
with you to help you out as well.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
He just did it to in times. I warned him
a bunch. Finally, I said, hey, dude, you're done. You've
got to go.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Seawan replied on the Overdogs Instagram page, he said, none
of it's true. I was Dan's main training partner for
his last he retired. The fight team fell off, and
when it was time to renew my membership I left,
But he is correct. I would make fun of the
fight team constantly. They would do yoga and skip sparring,
laugh all about I'm talking Keith Barry, I'm talking about you.
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Funny thing is we're both at extreme culture now and
we spar regularly. What do you make of all this
with Sean Strickland.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I think it's depressing.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Actually, really, I really do think it's depressing to hear
Sean Strickland tough like this, because the stories you hear
about Sean Strickland from every high level guy that I
noticed ever worked with him said that he's like the
best guy in the room.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
And I believe that he could possibly be.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
The best one hundred and eighty five pound fighter in
the world right now.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
If he put his energy into actually fighting in the fight.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Sean. I gotta say this, I gotta say this. I
gotta say this. I like Sean Strickland. I think he's
I think he's an amazing fighter.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
But after watching the Last Drinkers fight, I cannot allow
you to sit up on this and say he's the
best one eighty five.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
That's my point list, that's my point.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
No, I'm not doing that I'm not doing it.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
If he put the same amount of energy that he
does on fighting YouTubers and have him be with other people,
If you put that energy into fighting the top contenders
in the big fights, he would be winning.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
But he doesn't get that.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
But he still fights hard, but that Drake has just
shut him down completely last time.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Look, I don't like I don't like gym stories getting
out like that.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
There's one of the oldest rules in all of mixed
martial arts, and I don't even know where it started.
They have some things that are said time and time
again that just don't make sense, Like to be the man,
you gotta beat the man. If you win a belt,
you gotta defend it to be a champion. All that
is nonsense. Once you get that belt, you're a chance.
You don't have to beat the man to be the man.
That was Rick Flair, that was in professional wrestling.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Shit don't matter.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
But when the band somebody said, what happens in the
gym stays in the gym, that's true because you see
people getting knocked out, you see some bad stuff inside
of a gym that you don't want to let the
world know because you want to protect your training partners.
So I gotta agree with Hiders here. I also saw
Sean Strickland getting to a fight with a guy that
choked out one of his teammates in the UH in
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A in the smallest shot that was tough enough. Chris
Curtis was involved, too, mean, when is it enough?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
It's enough? It's I mean, that's my point.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
If he would take that energy, if he had that
energy against DDP in the in the fight with DDP,
he still had a belt.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
That's why I'm saying, I'm it's depressing.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
It's just the fact that he's so in the weeds
right now he can't see the big picture. Because when
his career is over, he's gonna look back and go, damn,
like he can't see it right now, your knucklehead. And
I'm sure Eric Nixon tells him all the time, Hey man,
you gotta focus on your career, focus on doing the
right things, because you let these dudes beat you and
you better than them.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
It's just it felt like last fight was the first
time I saw him and Eric not on the same page.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Because for everything that Sean was, Sean and I have
had some great moments. I interview him every time he fights.
We've had some great.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Moments, all my stealing from Walmart and all kind of.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Stuff, but like he is, he usually is pretty locked
in in those regards. But last time was the first
time I felt like him and Eric weren't on the
same page in that fight. I don't like seeing pros
going into fights, especially the UFC caliber guys world champions,
fighting with guys on the smaller level because they beat
a team. I don't know what happened in that situation,
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but you, as an elite mixed martial artist, especially a
UFC champion, you gotta be the guy that takes the
high role because we always have to.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Take the high role. I'm constantly getting disrespected.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
I know, man, that used to bother me DC. I
ain't gonna lie to you, man. I know you, my dog.
I know we go on here, we go back and forth,
but you my dog.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Man, and I feel disrespected when people forget how good
you were and how much of us, how much of
an imprint you have on the game. I'm disrespected by that,
And you're right, Sean Strickler needed to take the high road.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
On that and just let it go because he's supposed
to be the man.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
When you saw that, what are you thinking? Like, those
guys are fighting in the occoland would have got it
just saw you gotta at least respect the guy enough to.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Floor that he just thought a fight exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
But I'm but for me, I'm more thir thinking like, dude,
where was that guy in the third round against Drinkus
while you just jabbing against Dracus.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Yeah, you throwing big right hands on the dude who
just had a fight.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Well, you gotta be careful, right, You gotta be careful.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Sometimes whenever you are the biggest, baddest, right because he
does fight with YouTubers and he does beat up on
professional mixed martsh lardist, you gotta be very careful when
you meet that match that you're ready to step up
to the challenge. I think Sean Strickland is a tremendous fighter.
I think he's got a real living in a little
bit though, because it seems to be going off the rails.
I mean, hell, go back and watch the interview he
did with Laura Sanko.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
That was uncomfortable. Let's get it together, Sean Strickland.
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Speaker 2 (20:10):
Now for my final thought, guys, you have see Chicago.
Homsat Jamaiah is supposed to fight Drakes duplus C. Not
even a month ago there were rumors that Hamasat Jamaiah
was injured, that he was not going to be in Chicago.
Guess what he's going to Chicago. I saw him training
with coach Calavina in the garage down in Los Angeles.
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And if you're training with that man, there is nothing
wrong with you. Because the way that he pushes his athletes,
the way that he works him to exhaustion, the way
that he really does test you mentally physically, that means
you cannot be injured. And if Hamsat Jamaia was to
have any issue with Drakens du plus C as we
saw with Gilbert Burnsa Kamora Huzman, it would be the
longer fight in the cardial There's a guy that can
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get him ready.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
It is coach Cal.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
It seems like he's doing all the right things. But
hold on a minute. You do not look past DDP.
Time and time again, people want to disrespect this young man.
He is a dominant champion and he intends to get
the job done again at UFC three nineteen down in
chicag I can't wait. I was so bummed when I
heard that that fight may be canceled. But now that
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I know Chamaiah's here, Chamaiah's in the United States, it's
all systems go, and there's nothing better in terms of
that thought to me as a guy that gets sitting
next to the octagon. Boy, it's gonna be good. I
cannot wait to USC three nineteen. Dan, Thank you again
for coming on, bro. I love challenging, I love going
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back and forth with you. It's amazing. I love I
love this concept, and I love having you on the show.
Thank you, Dino, my man.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Always You're the man.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Guys, Until next time, like subscribe and tell your friends
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I'm doing things like three rounds, check ins and so
much more every single week until next.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Time, Peace.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Hey and also been asking got his lung time transplants, guys,
So he's on the mend. I hope to have an
update for you guys next week on the Bend. But
I spoke to Amy recently and they were very happy
and thankful for all the love and support you guys
have given them, and also for the people and the
families that donated the lungs that are now allowing Bend
(22:19):
to start his road to recover. So again, until next time, Peace,
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