November 30, 2018 • 40 mins
After the Cowboys big win Colin thinks Dak Prescott is simply a better version of Tim Tebow who can only win when the defense and running game are playing great. He thinks people are using irrelevant stats in the new pass happy NFL to justify poor quarterback play. Plus, Super Bowl Champion James Harrison comes in studio and talks about the Cowboys impressive defense that shut down the Saints Thursday night
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Radio FS one One hour from now Blazing five, rebounding
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a great NFL weekend which started last night. Joey Taylor
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is here. That was great highest rated Thursday night football
game in the history at Thursday night football games. By
the way, New Orleans got a sixty local rating, which
means that's the best football market in America. New Orleans.
They don't feel good about themselves this morning, though, right
but said yesterday, biggest game of Dak's life, biggest game
for the year of the Cowboys. I want to start
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with this. Let's give credit where credit is due. The
Cowboys right now don't just have two great young linebackers
in Layton Vanderesh and Jalen Smith. Layton Manneresh the best
linebacker in football. He's Brian Urlacker. You didn't watch him
in college. He's Brian Urlacker. He's the best linebacker in football.
And they may and they have the best tandem linebackers.
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I mean, Drew Brees had never gone old for four
to start a game. Drew Brees got shut out in
the first half. Drew Brees could only have the ball
for twenty three minutes. Let's give the Cowboys defensive front seven,
which we told you early last year when they beat
San Francisco, I said, this front seven's good. Now they've
dated Layton vander Actual, they've batted him. Jaylen Smith is
now healthy at front seven is out of this world good.
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And that's no big surprise. We all knew it was good.
We've been saying that on this show for two years.
It's now really good because they have the best young
linebacker in football. And I would argue he's the best
linebacker in football. But let me just tell you something.
This is starting to look like Tim Tebow and the Broncos. Folks,
there's one way to win for Dallas. It's got to
be low scoring, gotta be at home. The defense has
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to be great. You gotta make your field goals. This
is starting to feel like the Tebow. This is starting
to feel like the Tebow Broncos. And by the way,
before you pushed back on that, you remember how crazy
everybody went with Tebow. You all convinced me, or you
try to convince me, that Tebow thing was gonna last forever.
And I kept saying, Saturday Night Live was doing skits
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on it, like they don't even like sports, Like you
had to win one way like Tebow, would you know?
And I'll tell you the similarities here. By the way,
Dak doesn't throw downfield. Dak needs a great running game.
Dak has no pocket awareness like Tebow. Dak leads the
NFL in percentage of dropbacks that he's sacked. Tebo led
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that too. By the way, there's a fumble issue. Tebo
had a major fumble issue. He led the NFL in
fumbles for a quarterback. Dak leads the FELL in fumbles
for a quarterback. That is not a small thing. He
doesn't throw many picks because he doesn't throw the ball
down the field either to Tebow. I'm saying a lot
of the similarities. It was Week nine Denver and Tebow.
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They had a great defense, they made their field goals,
they had a good schedule, and it was, Oh, it
looked really really glad. I was like, oh my god.
By the way, what did I call Dak when he
came out of college. I said, he's a better version
of Tebow. That's why I called him out of college.
And everybody went crazy when they were winning, and it
literally I used to work at ESPN. It took over
the world. The Tebow games would get three times as
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many clicks and reads as even like the Cowboy games,
even like the Patriots Steeler games. This is a better version,
a better offensive version. They had a DeMars Thomas, now
they have Himari Cooper and Dallas. By the way, Troikman
talked about the fumble issue. It is now just part
of Dak's reality. He fumbles a lot. Here, the ball
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is out, Prescott cannot get on it. I tell you,
that's one thing we have seen way too much of
from Dak Prescott this year, is him putting the ball
on the ground. He's had ten fumbles this season. Prescott,
flag is down, Paul is out. This is Prescott and
I talked about it. You've got to be more secure
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with the ball when you have it in your hands
in these situations, when you're giving up points at the
ball's loots. That was Tebow's issue. A lot of underneath throws,
didn't throw downfield, wasn't accurate, fumbled a lot terrible pocket
presence where he got sacked an inordinate amount of times
because he couldn't see the pressure. And by the way,
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Tebow was a first round pick. Dak was a fourth
round pick. I watched Dak in college and I kept
staying on and on. I'm like, he's a better Tebow.
We're seeing now everybody's got film on him. Tebow needed
a great defense. Tebow needed to be at home. Tebow
needed to have his field goalkicker. Tebow needed the rushing.
By the way, and I know the Cowboys will winning.
You're freaking out, But I saw Mark Sanchez win for
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two years like this. I saw Blake Bortles win last
year like this. I saw Tebo going a six game
winning streak like this. This looks a lot like the
Denver Broncos, where they got the one receiver that Tebo
could rely on. They have a great defense, a nice
running game, a kicker. The game's got to be close.
Dallas has become a team that can only win one way.
The game's got to be at home. They got to
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be closed. I mean, they did win in Philadelphia, but
they've got to be played a certain way. Zeke has
to have a big day, a big day, field goal
kicker gotta make their kicks. You can't get in the thirties.
And by the way, Greg Kosell talked about this yesterday
on the show This Is and he brings up a
very interesting point here. They're an execution run game. So
it's not a lot of misdirection deception. You know, it's
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not yet sweep, but it's it's basically, let's flying up
and run the ball with a really good back and
it's a very basic pass game that by NFL standards
is somewhat remedial in elementary. But that's what their offense is.
And they played to their defense and they played to
their run game. So the question is can their defense
be good enough to hold the highest scoring team in
the league. Let's say under thirty, which the Cowboys have
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not given up in any game, and can their offense
put up enough points if they don't get you know,
twenty yard passes that become ninety yard touchdowns. Remedial that's
what the That's what Tebow's offense was. It was remedial.
Now again you can go on winning streaks. Tebow won
a playoff game. Dallas could be at home and win
a playoff game if they win the division. I'm not
saying that, but pen to paper, Dak is about the
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eighteenth to twenty second best quarterback in the league. And
he's about as I said yesterday, I said, if he
won this game, he's getting one hundred and ten million
dollars for all the praise we're heaping on the Cowboys defense,
Dallas didn't score in the second half. The score a
point at home, and that Saints defense was worn out
at the end. They were on the field for thirty
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seven minutes. They still couldn't get me. They couldn't get
in the end zone. You looked at the twenty second
best quarterback in the NFL. You're gonna pay I one
hundred and ten million dollars. People keep telling me, oh,
the future is brighton Dallas, and I'm like, no, know,
the future in Dallas is gonna be hard and confusing because,
by the way, DeMarcus Lawrence, he's on a franchise tag Bra.
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You got paying big money Zeke coming up, big money
Byron Jones corner. Guy's outstanding, big money Amari Cooper this
year big money. You pay one hundred and ten million
dollars to Dak Prescott. You are not going to be
able to resign some of these guys you need. The
future is now. It is now. John Elway did not
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buy into the tebow stick. He went out and got
Peyton Manning. He's like, I don't buy into this stuff.
Remember Mark Sanchez won for two years this way, Bartle's
almost got to the super Bowl. Last year. This way. Tebow,
who's not an NFL quarter by better baseball player than
football player, won six straight games to beat the Steelers
at home in the playoffs. This way. That's all I'm saying.
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This is a remedial offense. And when it and for
the record, this morning, I know you all hate me.
Oh that was great. It was great. If Graham's bumble
a ball and Tbow beat the Steelers he was unbelievable.
It was crazy. You think the future is great, the
future is now. I mean, this morning, I wrote down,
I was sitting to myself. Even the Cowboys, by the way,
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last night sent out Zeke and vander Esh in the
postgame interview. They knew who won the game, who was
a running back and the linebacker. I thought to myself,
who are the most important Cowboys right now? I think
vander Esh has changed the defense. He is the best
linebacker in football. He is er lacker for the Bears.
I think Zeke's number two. I think DeMarcus Lawrence. You
tell me who was more valuable last night, Dak thrown
underneath Routes or DeMarcus Lawrence in Drew Brees's jock all
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night left tackle Tyron Smith, linebacker Jalen Smith, Jason Garrett.
I think Dak's about seven or eight. Rod Marinelli with
a young defense, very valuable, eighth, the most important Cowboy.
I'd put Dak seven one hundred ten million bucks. I mean,
you better get a home, you better get a discount, Dallas,
because you tell me the future is bright, and now
the future is confusing with Tebow, it was confusing with
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Mark's aches, you're like, it's confusing. And with Blake Bortles,
Jacksonville struggled with we don't think he's that good, he's
totally limited, but we gotta pay him. What are we
gonna do? The future's bright when you've got Jared Goff
and Patrick Mahomes. That's when the future's bright. The future
is bright when you have Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson
and Deshaun Watson. But when you're winning this way Sanchez, Tebow,
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Dak Bortles, the future is not bright. The future is
confusing as heck because you've got to now pay a
guy twenty million plus a year. Don't kid yourself. Fumbles
doesn't look downfield, get sacked constantly, has some nice mobility,
but again there's limitations on that. Do you think I
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hate the Cowboys? I die? It was gray, it was fun.
I work at Fox. It's the highest red and Thursday
night game ever. But you know, this is what we
said yesterday. We said, if they win, Dak Prescott's agent
is walking into Jerry and saying, I want twenty five
million twenty eight. What do you say Now they're gonna
win their division again? Is it a bigger win for
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the Cowboys are for Dak Prescott. I would say, Dad,
I think Dak it has a big win for Dak
last night, Dallas. Still you think Dalla's gonna go on
the road in Chicago and win. Dala's gonna go on
to New Orleans and win. Dalla's gonna go to the RAM.
I mean, there's so much I like about this Cowboy team.
But that future is bright thing, No, no, no, it's
bright with Goff and Mahomesshaun Watson, Lucke, Russell Wilson wins.
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That's the future is bright. Okay, future is darn confusing.
When you have to pay Blake Bortles twenty million a year,
that's when it gets tough. One more Herd. The Herd
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on demand whenever you like. There are certain things you
can brag about in life, and there are certain things
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you can't brag about. If you're advertising a car, you
can't say in your advertisement we have power steering yad hope.
So otherwise you're a tank. You can't if if you're
one of these Samsung, Apple phones. We have a camera
on our phone. I would think so unless you're ninety,
everybody has a camera on their phone. You can no
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longer with a hotel say we have free Wi Fi.
Yeah yeah, you can't. If you drive by a hotel.
You ever drive by a motel and it says free HBO,
Do not go to that hotel. That hotel they gut
deer in the shower, like, stay away from that hotel.
You can't brag about those things. Here's another thing you
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can't brag about anymore in football. My quarterback get completed
like sixteen straight throws. Who cares? Are you watching the
games anymore? Last night I went to Twitter and I said,
that's a liability. Cowboys should have shown this thing up
an hour and a half ago. Good God. The defense
is unbelieve It's so best defensive effort I've seen by
a team all year. Cowboys front seven is the best
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in football. It's better than the Bears. It's better than
the Steelers, it's better than the Chargers, it's better than
the Texans. That's the best front seven in football. And
at home. Drew Brees had the ball for about seven
minutes in the first half it and that's it, and
people are like, oh, oh, but he completed seventeen straight throws.
Who last week, Philip Rivers was like, twenty five verse
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verse twenty five. I mean, what does it mean? Yes,
seventeen straight completions. Fantastic. He's been sacked more than any quarterback,
he's fumbled more than any quarterback, and he doesn't throw
the ball down the field. Let me give you some
examples here. A couple of weeks ago, I heard this
about Marcus Mariota. Marcus Mariota, everybody says, oh my god,
he completed ninety six second best in NFL history, nineteen
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straight completions, ninety six percent completion percentage. They lost by seventeen.
Aaron Rodgers his touchdown to interception ratio twenty to one,
best of his career. They're owing six on the road.
He's never played worse. Everybody now is setting records. Carson
Wentz is having his best statistical year ever. Two eighty
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a game, seventy percent completion, seven point seven yards are
all best. Philadelphia's twenty third and points a game. Eli
Manning is a shot fighter. He's having his best statistical year.
By the way, do you know Ryan Tannehill's passer rating
right now is better than any Hall of Fame quarterback.
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Ryan Tannehill, you can't listen. Even five years ago, I
would have been blown away by sixty eight percent completion
percentage Tannehill. ELI. Whence these guys are putting up ELI
are putting up huge numbers? Everybody is. You can't brag
about having Wi Fi in your hotel, or a camera
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on your phone, or power steering, like those aren't things
to brag about anymore. Here's what I look at. If
your team is average, can you carry it? If your
defense is average, can you carry it? If your field
goal kicker goes swirl and missus four kicks, can you win?
That's the guys I'm looking for. That's the guys you
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want to pay one hundred and twenty five million too.
Other than that, if you're not gonna if that's not
your quarterback, I'll pay my pass rusher that, I'll pay
my running back, my left tackle that, but I'm not
paying a quarterback. You gotta get out. You got to
get past this. Dak completed seventeen straight means nothing to me.
I mean it's something. At least you control the ball
from from where I sit to where Joy's at, because
that was about eighty percent of his completions last night,
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by eight yards. But the world has changed. Every camera's
got a phone, and every car's got power steering, and
every hotel has free Wi Fi. And Ryan Tannehill right now, statistically,
this year is better than Joe Montana and Troy Aikman
and Tom Brady. I mean, come off, settled down. Be
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one and the iHeart Radio app Our next guest made
a bet with Jason Whitlock yesterday, and I would I
would have made the same bet because I thought New
Orleans would win by about ten last night. Vegas thought
it was going to be a seven point win for
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the Saints. This was on speak for yourself, James, I'm
gonna bet you straight up, Cowboys are going to win
this game. You set the stakes. I feel like, um,
I need to help you out how you feel about ten?
Anytime phuss up? That mean, anytime I asked for him,
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you give me. And with that we bring in the
multiple time Pro bowler, two time Super Bowl Champ, Defensive
Player of the Year, all time sack leader in the
history of the Pittsburgh's Dealers James Harrison. So I said
to start my show, and I know I'm gonna get
a ton of pushback. This looks there's a lot of
Tebow Denver here. One star receiver, need a running game,
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Matt Prater's hitting field goals, you win close, lower scoring
games at home, and my nuts on that it feels
a little dak in the I don't, Yeah, I don't.
I don't feel like your nuts on it. Um. I
mean you got to look at it. He went went
twenty four of twenty eight and still only had two
hundred and forty fifty yards and the only one by
three points. They scored a total of thirteen. The real
thing of this is the defense. The defense went out
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there and held them to one hundred and seventy six yards. Wow,
like you held Drew Brees and the Saints to one
hundred and seventy six yards ten points. They shouldn't even
got ten points. You got Gregory, who's the best Saints
player on the team at that time, you know, and
he's giving them every opportunity they can to try and
you know, extend plays and stretched down, stretched down the
field from penalties. So, um, I don't. I don't think
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you're wrong in that, you know, in that analogy. You know, James,
it's interesting, Joy and I just talked about this, you guys.
A confident football player is a better football player, definitely,
And even great athletes like a Rod, great golfers can
can get the yips, they can lose confidence. I do
think I watched Dallas and those linebackers last night and
it was like if I if I went to bed
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last night after what I did, I would wake up
the next morning thinking I'm as good as any defense.
I mean, I kind of feel like the game meant
it's it's a difference maker game. If Dallas's defense is young, anyway,
do they wake up this morning thinking we're it, We're
the best defense and this they definitely wake up with
a lot more confidence. I don't. I don't think you
come into the we're it, but now you're like, hey,
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we're in that argument. We are, you know, one of
the best. You know, we went out there and did
something that no other team has done this year. So
it is something that gives you a lot of confidence
and that's something that you can definitely build on a
swag that you walk with now that you're going to
you know each day and you're trying to build off
of that performance. You know, each day you're trying to
get better. So it is definitely something that can you know,
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lead that that defense into one of the higher tier
defenses this year easily. What do you make of Layton Vanderesh,
the kid that played at eight man football in Idaho.
He reminds me of a rule like her. He played
lights out. Um, yeah, like I said, the whole defense
played lights out really, but for him to be a
rookie and be in that situation and I mean he
was like you know, leg in leg right there with
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the running back of mar and it was like he
couldn't get away from and everything was short tackles, every
every every pass was contested everyone everyone, you know, it
was it was catching tackle, it was no run after
the catch U defense that that was just it. It
was just absolutely dominant performance by the defense. Do you
give credit to Rod and Marion Nelly the coach, or
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do you is this just Dallas has athletes everywhere. Byron Jones,
by the way, is a really good corner. He's emerged.
That's a really good corner. Is it athletes? Is it coaching?
What is it combination? Um, you have you have to
have somebody that can go out there and play the game, obviously,
but you know, everybody that is in the league right now,
it's you know, they're they're going to be an athlete.
They didn't get there by chance. So now you add
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into the you know, the coaching factor and the fact
that they went out there and they played together, you know,
for sixty minutes. Each guy did his job. You know,
if you were there to make the tackle, they made
the tackle. If you were supposed to contest that catch,
they contested the catch. You know. Um, you look at
the other side, you look at look at Eli Apple,
and you could see like each catch, it was just
dragging on him. As they kept throwing at him and
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they kept catching and looking at you could see you
could see as the cameras it's just a dull look
in his eyes. He's not talking to anyone. It's just
a blank stare and that's just eating at him. And
that's one of those things where you say his confidence
each catch is tearing him down. It's wearing on him,
and that's something that you know they picked on at
the beginning of the game, and you know it worked
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for him. You know, I was saying I listed earlier,
I said, and I didn't buy into Dack when he
came in the league. I said, he's a better Tebow
and then he blew me away his rookie year. And
I'm like, well, I'm wrong because the guy's putting up
gigantic numbers. But I said last night, if I put
the eight Cowboys that mattered, you know, I have Dac
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about seven. And that's how I felt with Tebow. Tebow
got all the credit from the press, but it was
Matt Prador, the kicker, the pass rusher, the receiving corps,
they head coach. Well, how important is Dac to the Cowboys?
To you, to to me? Dak is a is a manager.
He's not He's not someone that's going to go out
there and win you a game. I wouldn't put him
the high on that list. I would put the defensive
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coordinator above that, and I'll put Jason Garrett at the
bottom of that list. Actually, but that's just my personal feelings. Um,
I don't I don't uh like I say, right, now
it's the defense. You take away the defense, and that's
a fage football. It's very at best at best, and
it's a totally different, you know, turnout than a thirteen
to teen game. I want to I want to segue
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to a team. The Steelers play the Chargers this weekend.
It's a late night game. It'll be the most watched
probably Sunday game, right, one of the big TV games. Right.
And I've always been a supporter of Ben, but I've
always felt Aaron Rodgers, Ben and Cam Newton I get
law drama. They're dramatic personalities. They have big quotes. Sometimes
they finger point a little bit, but they're great. They're
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Hall of Fame level guys. So big Ben this week
throws a pick, bad pick, kind of points to Antonio Brown,
then comes out and says, I deserve the right to
an opinion. You are. You're going to be tied to
the Steelers for the rest of your life. All time
sack leader, defensive player of the Year, Super Bowls, in
the locker room, you've been there. How has Ben viewed?
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Everyone gets along? You know? Um? For for me, I
can't tell you how other individuals view someone because I
have I have. I had a great relationship with Ben
you did, yeah, yeah, me and being talked on the concert,
I was probably uh one of the as an offensive player.
He's probably one of the people that I talked to
the most, except for Antonio Brown because he was my
locker mate. Um so, as far as me, I had
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a good relationship with men. You know, So I can't
see why do you think yours was so good? Well?
I was. I guess I was there with him longer,
you know, when you came in, I was, you know,
I was already there. Obviously respected him, Yeah, yeah, I
respected him too. But I think it's just familiarity, you know.
You you you hang with him like like when he
first came in, like would go out and it'd be
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twenty of us out and banish right there with us,
you know, having a good time. Yeah. So I think
that's you know that along the years And just do
you think he has the right to a strong opinion?
Are you bothered when he calls out a receiver? I
think that's where you got six and one hand, half
a dozen the other because it could it could turn
it to something to where now ere everybody wants to
publicly cast someone out. I have no problem with you
calling someone out behind closed doors straight to them without
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having to go to the media with it, because now
it looks like like you said, like your finger point
and you're saying you this, you that. But at the
same time Ben has stepped on that podium and said,
you know what, that's on me. That's my fault I had.
The only thing I would have an issue is that
you're doing it in front of the media and it
looks like your finger pointing now instead of going behind
closed doors and saying, hey, next time, why don't you
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cut this right a little shallower, or hey, you gotta
do this, or you gotta do that. I just don't
like it, you know, being out in front of the media. James,
people freaked out, Rams Chiefs a thousand points. Everybody said
defense doesn't matter. And I'm watching that game last night
and I'm thinking, post Thanksgiving, Bear's gonna make the playoffs,
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Cowboy's gonna make the playoffs. I'm seeing a lot of
defenses making the playoffs in the NFC. Minnesota's probably gonna
make the playoffs. That's real defense. Like there is something
weird like Thanksgiving hits and is it because the defenses
catch up to the offense. I think it's a combination.
Like you said, you've been seeing the same thing for
a long time, and now a big thing I believe
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is you're getting into December football. You're getting into different weather,
especially for outside games. Now, those high flying you know
forty sixty you know times passing the ball is not
going to work. When the ball is you know it's cold,
it don't fly as well. So now you got to
get into doing a combination of running and passing. And
now the defense you're playing on grass, that that maybe
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a little bit muddy. Footing is a little different. And
like you say, the wear and tear of a season,
you know what, guys are actually doing what they need
to do to take care of their body. This is
an interesting point. Dallas is actually really healthy right now.
You know, people are forgetting this. Dallas is a very
healthy football team. You look around the NFL. There are
Eric Barry just came back to the Chiefs. It's like, okay,
that's a real player. Are you getting healthy at the
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right time? Are you rise and are you ascending into
December instead of being that team that you know you're
a flying high through September October, and now you know what,
it's starting to wear on you. You're starting to you're
not you didn't do the things at the beginning of
the year to take care of yourself, and now you're
downhill slide and you're barely winning games instead of that
team that's you know, coming into December. And now all
of a sudden, Oh my god, these guys are taken off.
You know, they're ready to go and do some things now.
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Great seeing you, man, you too? What's up everybody? John
Middlecop the Three and Out podcast on Colin Cowards Podcast Network.
If you like Colin show, you'll love mine. I talk
off football. You know, we're talking Dallas Cowboys, who've got
one of the biggest wins of the year tonight against
the New Orleans Saints. The Bears are in trouble, their
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just functional change, ineffective. Don't change good. Don't don't think
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the room something's working. Just just just just don't get
in the way. Lebron's always had an identity. Every team
that Lebron's won a championship with has had one identity.
In Miami, in Cleveland, Lebron dominates the ball, either scores
himself or as he's driving, dishes out to a variety
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several good shooters. But the Lakers, hey, well, I gotta
do some new things here with this Lebron guy. We're
gonna tweak his game. He's gonna play off the ball
and he's Gabe No. Last night, Lebron dominates the ball
in the first quarter, Lakers take a huge lead over
the Pacers, and then Lebron sits back and lets the
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other guys generate the offense. Oh it didn't work. And
then Lebron James in the fourth quarter says, okay, let
me take go over the ball again and dominate the game.
And this sound up is what happened. Leavin point lead
a buffet here and it's definitely over Lebron shooting the
three here, size of his step it back. Lakers are
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gonna win today. They're gonna stop this little LUSI striek
and Lebron's got thirty seven. That's a difficult shot to compost.
Consistent la Lebron scored or assisted on the Lakers' final
fifteen points. Okay, this is the way it works. Can
we stop pretending? Yeah, let's get Lebron off the ball,
Let's get others involved. I don't know, we have an
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identity here. This is a movie trilogy with an identity.
This is the third part. Give Lebron the ball, acquire
a bunch of shooters on the wing, and he'll drive
and score. He'll do the freight train thing, or if
he drives doubled passes out to a ray Allen Kyrie, Irving,
Kevin Love, Chris Boss, Shane Battier, Mike Miller. We got
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a thing going on, and even Lebron now is kind
of struggling to figure out exactly what he should do here.
He was after That's the challenging things i've him, you know,
kind of bowing with um, you know, since the season
is started. How much do I, you know, defer and
allow you know, some of our young guys that kind
of try to figure out and how much do I
try to take over games? But I'm available anytime. You know,
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we need a play to be made. Yeah, that because
that's what you do, you make plays. They have no
elite shooters. It's why I like the Bradley Beale move
to the Lakers. But I'm told they're not going to
do it. I'm told they want Durant, I'm told they
want Anthony Davis. But they've got no identity. They've got
seven eight athletic guys. That's good, but that's not that's
not what works for Lebron. Lebron ball. Lebron dominates. Lebron
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dishes when stopped to a variety of shooters. Bradley Beale
would start to give him the identity that's won. As
Chris Bruce Hardy yesterday said, we were talking about this
Lebron off the ball thing. Is it even a thing?
Here's Bruce hard they're better with Lebron on the ball.
I know he's talked about he wanted to be off
the ball. This might sound ridiculous. He's not Lebron off
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the ball. He doesn't really know how to play that
well off the ball. But generally he's standing around and
you know, he just consistently he's not great off the ball.
He's better with the ball in his hands, and you're right.
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Let me shift to this for the last Let me
think about this about four years, one year at the
other place, last three here I have been saying, yeah,
McCarthy and Rodgers don't like each other, and the Green
Bay media would push back, what does that national guy
know an NFL media clickbait hot take. Well, well, well, well, well,
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welcome in boys, girls, thanks for coming to my side.
It is now official that don't like each other. I
didn't like each other four years ago. According to a
report in Sports Illustrated, Kaylin Kaylor wrote Rogers Rogers has
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the approval to change plays called by McCarthy as he
sees fit. Sometimes Rogers takes advantage of that. Several sources
familiar with the inner workings of the Packers say it
is devolved into a competition who can call the better
play and both want credit now for when things go right. Okay,
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this has been a simmering divorce for years. I got
good sources on this. Multiple players who have played for
the organization, many of whom I don't bring on the air. Here,
Rag Jennings has been honest about it. I got three
other guys also. Aaron Rodgers leads the NFL by a
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country mile in throwaways. Remember that we were talking about
that joy a couple of weeks ago. I said, throwaways.
It's one thing. If Aaron had been hurt all season,
he's not been hurt the last three weeks. Case he's fine.
He leads the NFL and throwaways. And here's what a
throwaway it is. A throwaway is occasionally I'm under massive dress.
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I get that. I mean Jared Goff, Alex Smith, Brady,
they have twenty throwaways, he's got fifty. Here's what a
throwaway is. It's you're grabbing a piece of paper and going,
this is the crap you gave me. Watch Aaron Rodgers,
watch him on the sideline. When you have double the
league throwaways. And by the way, you now have a
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good running back. You now have a go to receiver.
You have a pretty good second receiver, a rookie. Your
offensive line is better than average, it's not a terrible
offensive line. You have a go to wide receiver. You
have a veteran head coach, when you lead by double
the NFL in throwaways, that is showing disgust and an
animus towards the guy in the sidelines. So all I'd
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like to say on this is that, a it's nice
that everybody now is acknowledging what we've been on for
four years. It wasn't a hot take, it wasn't clickbait.
Then don't like each other. They never one's at Milwaukee
cop One's the la cool aloof guy. They were never
a perfect fit. But I heard grumblings four years ago
that Rogers kind of rolled his eyes at McCarthy. But
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here's the other thing I want to throw at Hill.
There is this feeling now, so I want to be
ahead of this as well was ahead of that. I
want to be ahead of this that if Rogers gets
a clever, young, precise, intricate, innovative young coach, this will
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all go away. It will not because then that McVeigh
or Matt Nagee will get too much of the credit.
What's happening with Rogers and McCarthy is not an innovative struggle.
It is a power struggle. Aaron likes power, Aaron wants
to do what Aaron wants to do, and he's gifted.
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But even Troy Aikman was coachable. Troy Aikman wasn't tough
to coach. Terry Bradshaw wasn't tough to coach. Tom Brady's
not tough to coach. Andrew Look's not tough to coach.
Russell Wilson's not tough to coach. Joe Montana was not
tough to coach. Aaron's tough to coach. So this idea,
now that's permeating that. You know, if you just give
him the next Sean McVeigh, the next Matt Naggie, if
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you just give him one of those gurus, will all
go away? No won't. Well, people want to see that
because Aaron Rodgers is so talented, right, and they want
to see his remaining years at his prime utilize properly.
But remember, as Greg Kochel's always told us, he's an
ad libber. This is what he is. He's an ad
liber So if you give him McVeagh or Nagie or McCarthy,
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he's got to work within that system. Do you think
he wants some young thirty three year old to come
in and get all the headlines. This is the gut
Aaron likes power, Aaron likes control, ends an ad liber
and errand's difficult to get along with. Gifted Yes, amazing, yes,
but four for four those are all true. One more Herd.
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do the college games. I'm just gonna tell you who
it's called spoiler alert, and so turn away if you
don't want to know what happens. I don't want to
give away the ending for those of you who want to,
you know, fulfill your obligation to support your team. So
spoiler alert right now, warning, Colin is about to reveal
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the outcomes of the biggest college football games this week.
If you don't want to know exactly what's going to happen,
turn away now, all right? SEC Championship Georgiabama. I keep
hearing all these arguments, Oh what if Georgia beats Alabama?
When Georgia beats Alabama, will Bama and Georgia both get in?
They won't. Bama's got the better coach, the better quarterback,
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the better roster, the better big game experience. Listen to
Alabama's won four straight of these games against Georgia, and
in three of them Georgia had a chance to win
and kind of choked it away. Bama's beating people by
thirty five points a game. That's there's nobody in the
country close to that. Their quarterback two has got thirty
six ts in topex Alabama doesn't make mistake. I'd be
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one thing if they were flashy and turnover prone. Alabama's
the better team. They're the better defense, the better quarterback,
the better coach. Turn away spoiler alert. Alabama wins thirty
five twenty three Big Twelve Championship. Oklahoma wants to exact
some revenge on Texas. Oddsmakers think this is going to
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be close. I don't. First of all, Oklahoma leads the
nation not only in points but yards by a ton.
Even in their loss by the way to the Long
Horns the first time Pavd's over nine yards a play,
so it's not like Texas slowed them down. Now, three
of the last four Sooner games have been close, but
again I feel like because of the previous result, I
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get into emotional edge with Oklahoma. Spoiler alert forty seven
thirty three. I think it's more of a blowout than
the experts think. Let's go to the Big Ten. Everybody
now loves Ohio State. Everybody's down on Michigan. It's Ohio
State and Northwestern's a Northwestern could not win an out
of conference game before the Big Ten play. They're a
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very limited football team. Ohio State, by the way, his
second most yards in everybody in college football except Oklahoma,
so you know, the buck Geys put points up. I
do like their quarterback, Dwayne Haskins. He has really emerged.
I think he got to put him as the second
or third best quarterback in college football if he decides
to come out after the kid at Oregon Justin Herbert
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and Will Greered Oklahoma. I think. I think Dwayne Haskins
he broke Drew Brees Big Ten record for passing yards
and TV's in a single season, and they and the
offense has been cooking against Michigan and cooking against Maryland.
So he's getting better as the season progresses. Spoiler alert,
Ohio State wins by a couple of touchdowns thirty seventeen.
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All right, there's a lot of people a couple of
weeks ago, Rams Chiefs money up football. Everybody's oh my god,
nobody plays defense. It was a lot like a miss
old school football, old school football get off by law.
Nobody tackles anymore. My takeaway was it was great. It's fun.
Everybody in the world was talking about that game. I
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drove through my neighborhood that day, and I can see
when I drive through my neighborhood, I can see in
the houses, you know, because we're on a hill a
little bit. Everybody had the Rams Chiefs game on. Everybody
knew it was gonna be good. It was good. It
over delivered. It was unbelievable. But if you're one of
those cranky people ain't want leather helmets and good defenses,
then you gotta like the Cowboys. Do you like Cowboys?
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The Cowboys? The Bears are too clever to be old school,
the Steelers throw too much to be old school, and
the Ravens have a running quarterback that's not old school.
Cowboys are old school. I mean they have they rely
over elmingly on running back, and not just a bunch
of running backs. It's old school football. We've got a
bell cow twenty eight carry a game running back that
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is very nineteen eighties. That is very nineteen sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties.
They don't have a bunch of them like the Patriots,
or a bunch of them like the Eagles. No, they
got one great running back. They don't even have a
good backup running back. They also have a dominating front
seven with rangy linebackers who sometimes should be penalized for
their hits and are not penalized like they're over the top,
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like Layton vanderash Jalen Smith last night had a shot
their borderline, you know, little dirty linebackers. And by the way,
they have a quarterback you know who doesn't take a
lot of chances, pretty safe under two hundred yards a game.
I mean, this is very nineteen seventy nine, nineteen eighty nine,
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nineteen ninety nine football. They have a quarterback under two
hundred yards. They have a defense its front seven which
is aggressive almost to the point of penalty. They have
an owner front and center. Now a lot of those
owners just hide as front and center owner. And they've
got a singularly one running back led offense. So for
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cranky old school guy, this is what this is what
football was ten years ago and that's what Dallas looks like.
I think they look a little too much like Denver
and Tebow. But this is this is what the Cowboys are.
They're very old school. Yeah. Here's the NFC playoff picture,
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and it feels to me anyway, very two tiered. So
the current division leaders Rams, Saints, Bears, Cowboys. Wild card
teams would be Vikings and Redskins and the Seahawks, Panthers, Eagles, Packers.
Here's what it feels like to me. The NFC is
the first tier Ram Saints, the second tier limited offense
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is great defenses, Cowboys, Bears, and the third tiers everybody else.
That's what it feels like to me. Despite what happened
last night, I don't think of those two teams played,
that's what the game would look like. I feel the
Rams and the Saints can win a bunch of ways.
I feel the Cowboys and the Bears, and I like
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the Bears better than the Cowboys because I like Trubisky
better than Dak. I think the Bears and the Cowboys
have to sort of play one way to win, but
Chicago could kind of go to a second way, but
not a third or a fourth way. They got to
keep the score mostly low. And then I think the
other teams are I just I just died. It's really
hard for me to see Philadelphia, Washington, Minnesota, Carolina, Seattle.
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I just think they have limitations. So it's a three
tier NFC, Rams, Saints, Cowboys, Bears, and then everybody else.
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the way, New Orleans got a sixty local rating, which
means that's the best football market in America. New Orleans.
They don't feel good about themselves this morning, though, right
but said yesterday, biggest game of Dak's life, biggest game
for the year of the Cowboys. I want to start
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with this. Let's give credit where credit is due. The
Cowboys right now don't just have two great young linebackers
in Layton Vanderesh and Jalen Smith. Layton Manneresh the best
linebacker in football. He's Brian Urlacker. You didn't watch him
in college. He's Brian Urlacker. He's the best linebacker in football.
And they may and they have the best tandem linebackers.
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I mean, Drew Brees had never gone old for four
to start a game. Drew Brees got shut out in
the first half. Drew Brees could only have the ball
for twenty three minutes. Let's give the Cowboys defensive front seven,
which we told you early last year when they beat
San Francisco, I said, this front seven's good. Now they've
dated Layton vander Actual, they've batted him. Jaylen Smith is
now healthy at front seven is out of this world good.
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And that's no big surprise. We all knew it was good.
We've been saying that on this show for two years.
It's now really good because they have the best young
linebacker in football. And I would argue he's the best
linebacker in football. But let me just tell you something.
This is starting to look like Tim Tebow and the Broncos. Folks,
there's one way to win for Dallas. It's got to
be low scoring, gotta be at home. The defense has
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to be great. You gotta make your field goals. This
is starting to feel like the Tebow. This is starting
to feel like the Tebow Broncos. And by the way,
before you pushed back on that, you remember how crazy
everybody went with Tebow. You all convinced me, or you
try to convince me, that Tebow thing was gonna last forever.
And I kept saying, Saturday Night Live was doing skits
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on it, like they don't even like sports, Like you
had to win one way like Tebow, would you know?
And I'll tell you the similarities here. By the way,
Dak doesn't throw downfield. Dak needs a great running game.
Dak has no pocket awareness like Tebow. Dak leads the
NFL in percentage of dropbacks that he's sacked. Tebo led
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that too. By the way, there's a fumble issue. Tebo
had a major fumble issue. He led the NFL in
fumbles for a quarterback. Dak leads the FELL in fumbles
for a quarterback. That is not a small thing. He
doesn't throw many picks because he doesn't throw the ball
down the field either to Tebow. I'm saying a lot
of the similarities. It was Week nine Denver and Tebow.
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They had a great defense, they made their field goals,
they had a good schedule, and it was, Oh, it
looked really really glad. I was like, oh my god.
By the way, what did I call Dak when he
came out of college. I said, he's a better version
of Tebow. That's why I called him out of college.
And everybody went crazy when they were winning, and it
literally I used to work at ESPN. It took over
the world. The Tebow games would get three times as
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many clicks and reads as even like the Cowboy games,
even like the Patriots Steeler games. This is a better version,
a better offensive version. They had a DeMars Thomas, now
they have Himari Cooper and Dallas. By the way, Troikman
talked about the fumble issue. It is now just part
of Dak's reality. He fumbles a lot. Here, the ball
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is out, Prescott cannot get on it. I tell you,
that's one thing we have seen way too much of
from Dak Prescott this year, is him putting the ball
on the ground. He's had ten fumbles this season. Prescott,
flag is down, Paul is out. This is Prescott and
I talked about it. You've got to be more secure
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with the ball when you have it in your hands
in these situations, when you're giving up points at the
ball's loots. That was Tebow's issue. A lot of underneath throws,
didn't throw downfield, wasn't accurate, fumbled a lot terrible pocket
presence where he got sacked an inordinate amount of times
because he couldn't see the pressure. And by the way,
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Tebow was a first round pick. Dak was a fourth
round pick. I watched Dak in college and I kept
staying on and on. I'm like, he's a better Tebow.
We're seeing now everybody's got film on him. Tebow needed
a great defense. Tebow needed to be at home. Tebow
needed to have his field goalkicker. Tebow needed the rushing.
By the way, and I know the Cowboys will winning.
You're freaking out, But I saw Mark Sanchez win for
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two years like this. I saw Blake Bortles win last
year like this. I saw Tebo going a six game
winning streak like this. This looks a lot like the
Denver Broncos, where they got the one receiver that Tebo
could rely on. They have a great defense, a nice
running game, a kicker. The game's got to be close.
Dallas has become a team that can only win one way.
The game's got to be at home. They got to
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be closed. I mean, they did win in Philadelphia, but
they've got to be played a certain way. Zeke has
to have a big day, a big day, field goal
kicker gotta make their kicks. You can't get in the thirties.
And by the way, Greg Kosell talked about this yesterday
on the show This Is and he brings up a
very interesting point here. They're an execution run game. So
it's not a lot of misdirection deception. You know, it's
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not yet sweep, but it's it's basically, let's flying up
and run the ball with a really good back and
it's a very basic pass game that by NFL standards
is somewhat remedial in elementary. But that's what their offense is.
And they played to their defense and they played to
their run game. So the question is can their defense
be good enough to hold the highest scoring team in
the league. Let's say under thirty, which the Cowboys have
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not given up in any game, and can their offense
put up enough points if they don't get you know,
twenty yard passes that become ninety yard touchdowns. Remedial that's
what the That's what Tebow's offense was. It was remedial.
Now again you can go on winning streaks. Tebow won
a playoff game. Dallas could be at home and win
a playoff game if they win the division. I'm not
saying that, but pen to paper, Dak is about the
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eighteenth to twenty second best quarterback in the league. And
he's about as I said yesterday, I said, if he
won this game, he's getting one hundred and ten million
dollars for all the praise we're heaping on the Cowboys defense,
Dallas didn't score in the second half. The score a
point at home, and that Saints defense was worn out
at the end. They were on the field for thirty
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seven minutes. They still couldn't get me. They couldn't get
in the end zone. You looked at the twenty second
best quarterback in the NFL. You're gonna pay I one
hundred and ten million dollars. People keep telling me, oh,
the future is brighton Dallas, and I'm like, no, know,
the future in Dallas is gonna be hard and confusing because,
by the way, DeMarcus Lawrence, he's on a franchise tag Bra.
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You got paying big money Zeke coming up, big money
Byron Jones corner. Guy's outstanding, big money Amari Cooper this
year big money. You pay one hundred and ten million
dollars to Dak Prescott. You are not going to be
able to resign some of these guys you need. The
future is now. It is now. John Elway did not
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buy into the tebow stick. He went out and got
Peyton Manning. He's like, I don't buy into this stuff.
Remember Mark Sanchez won for two years this way, Bartle's
almost got to the super Bowl. Last year. This way. Tebow,
who's not an NFL quarter by better baseball player than
football player, won six straight games to beat the Steelers
at home in the playoffs. This way. That's all I'm saying.
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This is a remedial offense. And when it and for
the record, this morning, I know you all hate me.
Oh that was great. It was great. If Graham's bumble
a ball and Tbow beat the Steelers he was unbelievable.
It was crazy. You think the future is great, the
future is now. I mean, this morning, I wrote down,
I was sitting to myself. Even the Cowboys, by the way,
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last night sent out Zeke and vander Esh in the
postgame interview. They knew who won the game, who was
a running back and the linebacker. I thought to myself,
who are the most important Cowboys right now? I think
vander Esh has changed the defense. He is the best
linebacker in football. He is er lacker for the Bears.
I think Zeke's number two. I think DeMarcus Lawrence. You
tell me who was more valuable last night, Dak thrown
underneath Routes or DeMarcus Lawrence in Drew Brees's jock all
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night left tackle Tyron Smith, linebacker Jalen Smith, Jason Garrett.
I think Dak's about seven or eight. Rod Marinelli with
a young defense, very valuable, eighth, the most important Cowboy.
I'd put Dak seven one hundred ten million bucks. I mean,
you better get a home, you better get a discount, Dallas,
because you tell me the future is bright, and now
the future is confusing with Tebow, it was confusing with
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Mark's aches, you're like, it's confusing. And with Blake Bortles,
Jacksonville struggled with we don't think he's that good, he's
totally limited, but we gotta pay him. What are we
gonna do? The future's bright when you've got Jared Goff
and Patrick Mahomes. That's when the future's bright. The future
is bright when you have Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson
and Deshaun Watson. But when you're winning this way Sanchez, Tebow,
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Dak Bortles, the future is not bright. The future is
confusing as heck because you've got to now pay a
guy twenty million plus a year. Don't kid yourself. Fumbles
doesn't look downfield, get sacked constantly, has some nice mobility,
but again there's limitations on that. Do you think I
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hate the Cowboys? I die? It was gray, it was fun.
I work at Fox. It's the highest red and Thursday
night game ever. But you know, this is what we
said yesterday. We said, if they win, Dak Prescott's agent
is walking into Jerry and saying, I want twenty five
million twenty eight. What do you say Now they're gonna
win their division again? Is it a bigger win for
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the Cowboys are for Dak Prescott. I would say, Dad,
I think Dak it has a big win for Dak
last night, Dallas. Still you think Dalla's gonna go on
the road in Chicago and win. Dala's gonna go on
to New Orleans and win. Dalla's gonna go to the RAM.
I mean, there's so much I like about this Cowboy team.
But that future is bright thing, No, no, no, it's
bright with Goff and Mahomesshaun Watson, Lucke, Russell Wilson wins.
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That's the future is bright. Okay, future is darn confusing.
When you have to pay Blake Bortles twenty million a year,
that's when it gets tough. One more Herd. The Herd
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on demand whenever you like. There are certain things you
can brag about in life, and there are certain things
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you can't brag about. If you're advertising a car, you
can't say in your advertisement we have power steering yad hope.
So otherwise you're a tank. You can't if if you're
one of these Samsung, Apple phones. We have a camera
on our phone. I would think so unless you're ninety,
everybody has a camera on their phone. You can no
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longer with a hotel say we have free Wi Fi.
Yeah yeah, you can't. If you drive by a hotel.
You ever drive by a motel and it says free HBO,
Do not go to that hotel. That hotel they gut
deer in the shower, like, stay away from that hotel.
You can't brag about those things. Here's another thing you
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can't brag about anymore in football. My quarterback get completed
like sixteen straight throws. Who cares? Are you watching the
games anymore? Last night I went to Twitter and I said,
that's a liability. Cowboys should have shown this thing up
an hour and a half ago. Good God. The defense
is unbelieve It's so best defensive effort I've seen by
a team all year. Cowboys front seven is the best
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in football. It's better than the Bears. It's better than
the Steelers, it's better than the Chargers, it's better than
the Texans. That's the best front seven in football. And
at home. Drew Brees had the ball for about seven
minutes in the first half it and that's it, and
people are like, oh, oh, but he completed seventeen straight throws.
Who last week, Philip Rivers was like, twenty five verse
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verse twenty five. I mean, what does it mean? Yes,
seventeen straight completions. Fantastic. He's been sacked more than any quarterback,
he's fumbled more than any quarterback, and he doesn't throw
the ball down the field. Let me give you some
examples here. A couple of weeks ago, I heard this
about Marcus Mariota. Marcus Mariota, everybody says, oh my god,
he completed ninety six second best in NFL history, nineteen
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straight completions, ninety six percent completion percentage. They lost by seventeen.
Aaron Rodgers his touchdown to interception ratio twenty to one,
best of his career. They're owing six on the road.
He's never played worse. Everybody now is setting records. Carson
Wentz is having his best statistical year ever. Two eighty
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a game, seventy percent completion, seven point seven yards are
all best. Philadelphia's twenty third and points a game. Eli
Manning is a shot fighter. He's having his best statistical year.
By the way, do you know Ryan Tannehill's passer rating
right now is better than any Hall of Fame quarterback.
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Ryan Tannehill, you can't listen. Even five years ago, I
would have been blown away by sixty eight percent completion
percentage Tannehill. ELI. Whence these guys are putting up ELI
are putting up huge numbers? Everybody is. You can't brag
about having Wi Fi in your hotel, or a camera
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on your phone, or power steering, like those aren't things
to brag about anymore. Here's what I look at. If
your team is average, can you carry it? If your
defense is average, can you carry it? If your field
goal kicker goes swirl and missus four kicks, can you win?
That's the guys I'm looking for. That's the guys you
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want to pay one hundred and twenty five million too.
Other than that, if you're not gonna if that's not
your quarterback, I'll pay my pass rusher that, I'll pay
my running back, my left tackle that, but I'm not
paying a quarterback. You gotta get out. You got to
get past this. Dak completed seventeen straight means nothing to me.
I mean it's something. At least you control the ball
from from where I sit to where Joy's at, because
that was about eighty percent of his completions last night,
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by eight yards. But the world has changed. Every camera's
got a phone, and every car's got power steering, and
every hotel has free Wi Fi. And Ryan Tannehill right now, statistically,
this year is better than Joe Montana and Troy Aikman
and Tom Brady. I mean, come off, settled down. Be
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one and the iHeart Radio app Our next guest made
a bet with Jason Whitlock yesterday, and I would I
would have made the same bet because I thought New
Orleans would win by about ten last night. Vegas thought
it was going to be a seven point win for
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the Saints. This was on speak for yourself, James, I'm
gonna bet you straight up, Cowboys are going to win
this game. You set the stakes. I feel like, um,
I need to help you out how you feel about ten?
Anytime phuss up? That mean, anytime I asked for him,
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you give me. And with that we bring in the
multiple time Pro bowler, two time Super Bowl Champ, Defensive
Player of the Year, all time sack leader in the
history of the Pittsburgh's Dealers James Harrison. So I said
to start my show, and I know I'm gonna get
a ton of pushback. This looks there's a lot of
Tebow Denver here. One star receiver, need a running game,
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Matt Prater's hitting field goals, you win close, lower scoring
games at home, and my nuts on that it feels
a little dak in the I don't, Yeah, I don't.
I don't feel like your nuts on it. Um. I
mean you got to look at it. He went went
twenty four of twenty eight and still only had two
hundred and forty fifty yards and the only one by
three points. They scored a total of thirteen. The real
thing of this is the defense. The defense went out
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there and held them to one hundred and seventy six yards. Wow,
like you held Drew Brees and the Saints to one
hundred and seventy six yards ten points. They shouldn't even
got ten points. You got Gregory, who's the best Saints
player on the team at that time, you know, and
he's giving them every opportunity they can to try and
you know, extend plays and stretched down, stretched down the
field from penalties. So, um, I don't. I don't think
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you're wrong in that, you know, in that analogy. You know, James,
it's interesting, Joy and I just talked about this, you guys.
A confident football player is a better football player, definitely,
And even great athletes like a Rod, great golfers can
can get the yips, they can lose confidence. I do
think I watched Dallas and those linebackers last night and
it was like if I if I went to bed
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last night after what I did, I would wake up
the next morning thinking I'm as good as any defense.
I mean, I kind of feel like the game meant
it's it's a difference maker game. If Dallas's defense is young, anyway,
do they wake up this morning thinking we're it, We're
the best defense and this they definitely wake up with
a lot more confidence. I don't. I don't think you
come into the we're it, but now you're like, hey,
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we're in that argument. We are, you know, one of
the best. You know, we went out there and did
something that no other team has done this year. So
it is something that gives you a lot of confidence
and that's something that you can definitely build on a
swag that you walk with now that you're going to
you know each day and you're trying to build off
of that performance. You know, each day you're trying to
get better. So it is definitely something that can you know,
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lead that that defense into one of the higher tier
defenses this year easily. What do you make of Layton Vanderesh,
the kid that played at eight man football in Idaho.
He reminds me of a rule like her. He played
lights out. Um, yeah, like I said, the whole defense
played lights out really, but for him to be a
rookie and be in that situation and I mean he
was like you know, leg in leg right there with
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the running back of mar and it was like he
couldn't get away from and everything was short tackles, every
every every pass was contested everyone everyone, you know, it
was it was catching tackle, it was no run after
the catch U defense that that was just it. It
was just absolutely dominant performance by the defense. Do you
give credit to Rod and Marion Nelly the coach, or
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do you is this just Dallas has athletes everywhere. Byron Jones,
by the way, is a really good corner. He's emerged.
That's a really good corner. Is it athletes? Is it coaching?
What is it combination? Um, you have you have to
have somebody that can go out there and play the game, obviously,
but you know, everybody that is in the league right now,
it's you know, they're they're going to be an athlete.
They didn't get there by chance. So now you add
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into the you know, the coaching factor and the fact
that they went out there and they played together, you know,
for sixty minutes. Each guy did his job. You know,
if you were there to make the tackle, they made
the tackle. If you were supposed to contest that catch,
they contested the catch. You know. Um, you look at
the other side, you look at look at Eli Apple,
and you could see like each catch, it was just
dragging on him. As they kept throwing at him and
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they kept catching and looking at you could see you
could see as the cameras it's just a dull look
in his eyes. He's not talking to anyone. It's just
a blank stare and that's just eating at him. And
that's one of those things where you say his confidence
each catch is tearing him down. It's wearing on him,
and that's something that you know they picked on at
the beginning of the game, and you know it worked
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for him. You know, I was saying I listed earlier,
I said, and I didn't buy into Dack when he
came in the league. I said, he's a better Tebow
and then he blew me away his rookie year. And
I'm like, well, I'm wrong because the guy's putting up
gigantic numbers. But I said last night, if I put
the eight Cowboys that mattered, you know, I have Dac
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about seven. And that's how I felt with Tebow. Tebow
got all the credit from the press, but it was
Matt Prador, the kicker, the pass rusher, the receiving corps,
they head coach. Well, how important is Dac to the Cowboys?
To you, to to me? Dak is a is a manager.
He's not He's not someone that's going to go out
there and win you a game. I wouldn't put him
the high on that list. I would put the defensive
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coordinator above that, and I'll put Jason Garrett at the
bottom of that list. Actually, but that's just my personal feelings. Um,
I don't I don't uh like I say, right, now
it's the defense. You take away the defense, and that's
a fage football. It's very at best at best, and
it's a totally different, you know, turnout than a thirteen
to teen game. I want to I want to segue
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to a team. The Steelers play the Chargers this weekend.
It's a late night game. It'll be the most watched
probably Sunday game, right, one of the big TV games. Right.
And I've always been a supporter of Ben, but I've
always felt Aaron Rodgers, Ben and Cam Newton I get
law drama. They're dramatic personalities. They have big quotes. Sometimes
they finger point a little bit, but they're great. They're
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Hall of Fame level guys. So big Ben this week
throws a pick, bad pick, kind of points to Antonio Brown,
then comes out and says, I deserve the right to
an opinion. You are. You're going to be tied to
the Steelers for the rest of your life. All time
sack leader, defensive player of the Year, Super Bowls, in
the locker room, you've been there. How has Ben viewed?
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Everyone gets along? You know? Um? For for me, I
can't tell you how other individuals view someone because I
have I have. I had a great relationship with Ben
you did, yeah, yeah, me and being talked on the concert,
I was probably uh one of the as an offensive player.
He's probably one of the people that I talked to
the most, except for Antonio Brown because he was my
locker mate. Um so, as far as me, I had
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a good relationship with men. You know, So I can't
see why do you think yours was so good? Well?
I was. I guess I was there with him longer,
you know, when you came in, I was, you know,
I was already there. Obviously respected him, Yeah, yeah, I
respected him too. But I think it's just familiarity, you know.
You you you hang with him like like when he
first came in, like would go out and it'd be
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twenty of us out and banish right there with us,
you know, having a good time. Yeah. So I think
that's you know that along the years And just do
you think he has the right to a strong opinion?
Are you bothered when he calls out a receiver? I
think that's where you got six and one hand, half
a dozen the other because it could it could turn
it to something to where now ere everybody wants to
publicly cast someone out. I have no problem with you
calling someone out behind closed doors straight to them without
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having to go to the media with it, because now
it looks like like you said, like your finger point
and you're saying you this, you that. But at the
same time Ben has stepped on that podium and said,
you know what, that's on me. That's my fault I had.
The only thing I would have an issue is that
you're doing it in front of the media and it
looks like your finger pointing now instead of going behind
closed doors and saying, hey, next time, why don't you
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cut this right a little shallower, or hey, you gotta
do this, or you gotta do that. I just don't
like it, you know, being out in front of the media. James,
people freaked out, Rams Chiefs a thousand points. Everybody said
defense doesn't matter. And I'm watching that game last night
and I'm thinking, post Thanksgiving, Bear's gonna make the playoffs,
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Cowboy's gonna make the playoffs. I'm seeing a lot of
defenses making the playoffs in the NFC. Minnesota's probably gonna
make the playoffs. That's real defense. Like there is something
weird like Thanksgiving hits and is it because the defenses
catch up to the offense. I think it's a combination.
Like you said, you've been seeing the same thing for
a long time, and now a big thing I believe
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is you're getting into December football. You're getting into different weather,
especially for outside games. Now, those high flying you know
forty sixty you know times passing the ball is not
going to work. When the ball is you know it's cold,
it don't fly as well. So now you got to
get into doing a combination of running and passing. And
now the defense you're playing on grass, that that maybe
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a little bit muddy. Footing is a little different. And
like you say, the wear and tear of a season,
you know what, guys are actually doing what they need
to do to take care of their body. This is
an interesting point. Dallas is actually really healthy right now.
You know, people are forgetting this. Dallas is a very
healthy football team. You look around the NFL. There are
Eric Barry just came back to the Chiefs. It's like, okay,
that's a real player. Are you getting healthy at the
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right time? Are you rise and are you ascending into
December instead of being that team that you know you're
a flying high through September October, and now you know what,
it's starting to wear on you. You're starting to you're
not you didn't do the things at the beginning of
the year to take care of yourself, and now you're
downhill slide and you're barely winning games instead of that
team that's you know, coming into December. And now all
of a sudden, Oh my god, these guys are taken off.
You know, they're ready to go and do some things now.
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Great seeing you, man, you too? What's up everybody? John
Middlecop the Three and Out podcast on Colin Cowards Podcast Network.
If you like Colin show, you'll love mine. I talk
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the New Orleans Saints. The Bears are in trouble, their
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the room something's working. Just just just just don't get
in the way. Lebron's always had an identity. Every team
that Lebron's won a championship with has had one identity.
In Miami, in Cleveland, Lebron dominates the ball, either scores
himself or as he's driving, dishes out to a variety
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several good shooters. But the Lakers, hey, well, I gotta
do some new things here with this Lebron guy. We're
gonna tweak his game. He's gonna play off the ball
and he's Gabe No. Last night, Lebron dominates the ball
in the first quarter, Lakers take a huge lead over
the Pacers, and then Lebron sits back and lets the
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other guys generate the offense. Oh it didn't work. And
then Lebron James in the fourth quarter says, okay, let
me take go over the ball again and dominate the game.
And this sound up is what happened. Leavin point lead
a buffet here and it's definitely over Lebron shooting the
three here, size of his step it back. Lakers are
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gonna win today. They're gonna stop this little LUSI striek
and Lebron's got thirty seven. That's a difficult shot to compost.
Consistent la Lebron scored or assisted on the Lakers' final
fifteen points. Okay, this is the way it works. Can
we stop pretending? Yeah, let's get Lebron off the ball,
Let's get others involved. I don't know, we have an
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identity here. This is a movie trilogy with an identity.
This is the third part. Give Lebron the ball, acquire
a bunch of shooters on the wing, and he'll drive
and score. He'll do the freight train thing, or if
he drives doubled passes out to a ray Allen Kyrie, Irving,
Kevin Love, Chris Boss, Shane Battier, Mike Miller. We got
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a thing going on, and even Lebron now is kind
of struggling to figure out exactly what he should do here.
He was after That's the challenging things i've him, you know,
kind of bowing with um, you know, since the season
is started. How much do I, you know, defer and
allow you know, some of our young guys that kind
of try to figure out and how much do I
try to take over games? But I'm available anytime. You know,
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we need a play to be made. Yeah, that because
that's what you do, you make plays. They have no
elite shooters. It's why I like the Bradley Beale move
to the Lakers. But I'm told they're not going to
do it. I'm told they want Durant, I'm told they
want Anthony Davis. But they've got no identity. They've got
seven eight athletic guys. That's good, but that's not that's
not what works for Lebron. Lebron ball. Lebron dominates. Lebron
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dishes when stopped to a variety of shooters. Bradley Beale
would start to give him the identity that's won. As
Chris Bruce Hardy yesterday said, we were talking about this
Lebron off the ball thing. Is it even a thing?
Here's Bruce hard they're better with Lebron on the ball.
I know he's talked about he wanted to be off
the ball. This might sound ridiculous. He's not Lebron off
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the ball. He doesn't really know how to play that
well off the ball. But generally he's standing around and
you know, he just consistently he's not great off the ball.
He's better with the ball in his hands, and you're right.
Your game is your game. Be sure to catch live
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Let me shift to this for the last Let me
think about this about four years, one year at the
other place, last three here I have been saying, yeah,
McCarthy and Rodgers don't like each other, and the Green
Bay media would push back, what does that national guy
know an NFL media clickbait hot take. Well, well, well, well, well,
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welcome in boys, girls, thanks for coming to my side.
It is now official that don't like each other. I
didn't like each other four years ago. According to a
report in Sports Illustrated, Kaylin Kaylor wrote Rogers Rogers has
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the approval to change plays called by McCarthy as he
sees fit. Sometimes Rogers takes advantage of that. Several sources
familiar with the inner workings of the Packers say it
is devolved into a competition who can call the better
play and both want credit now for when things go right. Okay,
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this has been a simmering divorce for years. I got
good sources on this. Multiple players who have played for
the organization, many of whom I don't bring on the air. Here,
Rag Jennings has been honest about it. I got three
other guys also. Aaron Rodgers leads the NFL by a
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country mile in throwaways. Remember that we were talking about
that joy a couple of weeks ago. I said, throwaways.
It's one thing. If Aaron had been hurt all season,
he's not been hurt the last three weeks. Case he's fine.
He leads the NFL and throwaways. And here's what a
throwaway it is. A throwaway is occasionally I'm under massive dress.
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I get that. I mean Jared Goff, Alex Smith, Brady,
they have twenty throwaways, he's got fifty. Here's what a
throwaway is. It's you're grabbing a piece of paper and going,
this is the crap you gave me. Watch Aaron Rodgers,
watch him on the sideline. When you have double the
league throwaways. And by the way, you now have a
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good running back. You now have a go to receiver.
You have a pretty good second receiver, a rookie. Your
offensive line is better than average, it's not a terrible
offensive line. You have a go to wide receiver. You
have a veteran head coach, when you lead by double
the NFL in throwaways, that is showing disgust and an
animus towards the guy in the sidelines. So all I'd
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like to say on this is that, a it's nice
that everybody now is acknowledging what we've been on for
four years. It wasn't a hot take, it wasn't clickbait.
Then don't like each other. They never one's at Milwaukee
cop One's the la cool aloof guy. They were never
a perfect fit. But I heard grumblings four years ago
that Rogers kind of rolled his eyes at McCarthy. But
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here's the other thing I want to throw at Hill.
There is this feeling now, so I want to be
ahead of this as well was ahead of that. I
want to be ahead of this that if Rogers gets
a clever, young, precise, intricate, innovative young coach, this will
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all go away. It will not because then that McVeigh
or Matt Nagee will get too much of the credit.
What's happening with Rogers and McCarthy is not an innovative struggle.
It is a power struggle. Aaron likes power, Aaron wants
to do what Aaron wants to do, and he's gifted.
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But even Troy Aikman was coachable. Troy Aikman wasn't tough
to coach. Terry Bradshaw wasn't tough to coach. Tom Brady's
not tough to coach. Andrew Look's not tough to coach.
Russell Wilson's not tough to coach. Joe Montana was not
tough to coach. Aaron's tough to coach. So this idea,
now that's permeating that. You know, if you just give
him the next Sean McVeigh, the next Matt Naggie, if
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you just give him one of those gurus, will all
go away? No won't. Well, people want to see that
because Aaron Rodgers is so talented, right, and they want
to see his remaining years at his prime utilize properly.
But remember, as Greg Kochel's always told us, he's an
ad libber. This is what he is. He's an ad
liber So if you give him McVeagh or Nagie or McCarthy,
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he's got to work within that system. Do you think
he wants some young thirty three year old to come
in and get all the headlines. This is the gut
Aaron likes power, Aaron likes control, ends an ad liber
and errand's difficult to get along with. Gifted Yes, amazing, yes,
but four for four those are all true. One more Herd.
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live or on demand whenever you like. Let me just
do the college games. I'm just gonna tell you who
it's called spoiler alert, and so turn away if you
don't want to know what happens. I don't want to
give away the ending for those of you who want to,
you know, fulfill your obligation to support your team. So
spoiler alert right now, warning, Colin is about to reveal
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the outcomes of the biggest college football games this week.
If you don't want to know exactly what's going to happen,
turn away now, all right? SEC Championship Georgiabama. I keep
hearing all these arguments, Oh what if Georgia beats Alabama?
When Georgia beats Alabama, will Bama and Georgia both get in?
They won't. Bama's got the better coach, the better quarterback,
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the better roster, the better big game experience. Listen to
Alabama's won four straight of these games against Georgia, and
in three of them Georgia had a chance to win
and kind of choked it away. Bama's beating people by
thirty five points a game. That's there's nobody in the
country close to that. Their quarterback two has got thirty
six ts in topex Alabama doesn't make mistake. I'd be
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one thing if they were flashy and turnover prone. Alabama's
the better team. They're the better defense, the better quarterback,
the better coach. Turn away spoiler alert. Alabama wins thirty
five twenty three Big Twelve Championship. Oklahoma wants to exact
some revenge on Texas. Oddsmakers think this is going to
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be close. I don't. First of all, Oklahoma leads the
nation not only in points but yards by a ton.
Even in their loss by the way to the Long
Horns the first time Pavd's over nine yards a play,
so it's not like Texas slowed them down. Now, three
of the last four Sooner games have been close, but
again I feel like because of the previous result, I
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get into emotional edge with Oklahoma. Spoiler alert forty seven
thirty three. I think it's more of a blowout than
the experts think. Let's go to the Big Ten. Everybody
now loves Ohio State. Everybody's down on Michigan. It's Ohio
State and Northwestern's a Northwestern could not win an out
of conference game before the Big Ten play. They're a
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very limited football team. Ohio State, by the way, his
second most yards in everybody in college football except Oklahoma,
so you know, the buck Geys put points up. I
do like their quarterback, Dwayne Haskins. He has really emerged.
I think he got to put him as the second
or third best quarterback in college football if he decides
to come out after the kid at Oregon Justin Herbert
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and Will Greered Oklahoma. I think. I think Dwayne Haskins
he broke Drew Brees Big Ten record for passing yards
and TV's in a single season, and they and the
offense has been cooking against Michigan and cooking against Maryland.
So he's getting better as the season progresses. Spoiler alert,
Ohio State wins by a couple of touchdowns thirty seventeen.
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All right, there's a lot of people a couple of
weeks ago, Rams Chiefs money up football. Everybody's oh my god,
nobody plays defense. It was a lot like a miss
old school football, old school football get off by law.
Nobody tackles anymore. My takeaway was it was great. It's fun.
Everybody in the world was talking about that game. I
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drove through my neighborhood that day, and I can see
when I drive through my neighborhood, I can see in
the houses, you know, because we're on a hill a
little bit. Everybody had the Rams Chiefs game on. Everybody
knew it was gonna be good. It was good. It
over delivered. It was unbelievable. But if you're one of
those cranky people ain't want leather helmets and good defenses,
then you gotta like the Cowboys. Do you like Cowboys?
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The Cowboys? The Bears are too clever to be old school,
the Steelers throw too much to be old school, and
the Ravens have a running quarterback that's not old school.
Cowboys are old school. I mean they have they rely
over elmingly on running back, and not just a bunch
of running backs. It's old school football. We've got a
bell cow twenty eight carry a game running back that
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is very nineteen eighties. That is very nineteen sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties.
They don't have a bunch of them like the Patriots,
or a bunch of them like the Eagles. No, they
got one great running back. They don't even have a
good backup running back. They also have a dominating front
seven with rangy linebackers who sometimes should be penalized for
their hits and are not penalized like they're over the top,
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like Layton vanderash Jalen Smith last night had a shot
their borderline, you know, little dirty linebackers. And by the way,
they have a quarterback you know who doesn't take a
lot of chances, pretty safe under two hundred yards a game.
I mean, this is very nineteen seventy nine, nineteen eighty nine,
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nineteen ninety nine football. They have a quarterback under two
hundred yards. They have a defense its front seven which
is aggressive almost to the point of penalty. They have
an owner front and center. Now a lot of those
owners just hide as front and center owner. And they've
got a singularly one running back led offense. So for
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cranky old school guy, this is what this is what
football was ten years ago and that's what Dallas looks like.
I think they look a little too much like Denver
and Tebow. But this is this is what the Cowboys are.
They're very old school. Yeah. Here's the NFC playoff picture,
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and it feels to me anyway, very two tiered. So
the current division leaders Rams, Saints, Bears, Cowboys. Wild card
teams would be Vikings and Redskins and the Seahawks, Panthers, Eagles, Packers.
Here's what it feels like to me. The NFC is
the first tier Ram Saints, the second tier limited offense
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is great defenses, Cowboys, Bears, and the third tiers everybody else.
That's what it feels like to me. Despite what happened
last night, I don't think of those two teams played,
that's what the game would look like. I feel the
Rams and the Saints can win a bunch of ways.
I feel the Cowboys and the Bears, and I like
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the Bears better than the Cowboys because I like Trubisky
better than Dak. I think the Bears and the Cowboys
have to sort of play one way to win, but
Chicago could kind of go to a second way, but
not a third or a fourth way. They got to
keep the score mostly low. And then I think the
other teams are I just I just died. It's really
hard for me to see Philadelphia, Washington, Minnesota, Carolina, Seattle.
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I just think they have limitations. So it's a three
tier NFC, Rams, Saints, Cowboys, Bears, and then everybody else.
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