April 8, 2024 • 38 mins
Colin defends Caitlin Clark's greatness despite losing in the National Championship game again and ending her college career without any titles. He tells you why he was right about Stefon Diggs and wrong about Doc Rivers. Plus, UCLA head coach Mick Cronin joins the show in studio to talk about Purdue big man Zach Edey ahead of tonight's National Championship
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh right, it is a Monday in Los Angeles, and
there is a lot to talk about. It's the hurt
wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Jmack is
back off VAK. It's great to have him in today.
Where Colin right, Where Colin was wrong? One hour from now.
Caitlin Clark sort of a lot of times athletes ride
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a wave to the beach. She was the wave, She
was the momentum and the inertia, and she sort of
carried all of us on this magical ride which ended
up short. But I mean, you were on vacation everywhere
you go. I was at an airport yesterday and the
first half I was waiting to get on the plane
and I looked around, and I walked around where I
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was sitting waiting to get on the plane. Everybody, whether
it was Fubo or whatever device it was, everybody was
watching that game. I've walked around during a World Series game.
I've walked around during a w NBA Finals game. Not
every TV's on, every TV was. I don't know what
the number will be, but every in the airport, the
whole airport in Chicago was watching it.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
The only time we turned on a TV during spring
break was to watch the Caitlin Clark LSU game pool side,
like twenty five people two TVs.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
It was crazy, like people.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Are obsessed and rightfully so. Yeah. Well, the better deeper
team South Carolina won yesterday. At one point they had
a thirty to nothing advantage in bench scoring. The better
team generally beats the iconic great star. I suspect night
Yukon the better team will beat the star Zach Edi
and Purdue. Caitlin Clark plays like Staph, but Steph got
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great players around him, Clay Kadi and Draymond. Her career
is more like Luca in Dallas. Is Kyrie enough a
remarkable score but having to carry a little too bit
much of the load against the truly great teams in
South Carolina is the Yukon or Pat Summitch Tennessee. Now
they're really really good.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
MJ.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Never forget this. The best basketball player many believe ever
could never get past Larry Bird and the Celtics, could
never get past Isaiah Thomas and the Pistons until he
got Phil Jackson, a great coach, maybe the greatest coach,
and he got Scottie Pippen, the greatest Robin ever in
the NBA. Lebron in Cleveland, the first iteration of Cleveland.
He got to the finals and got destroyed, swept by
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San Antonio. The better team, the better coach, the better
supporting cast. Individual greatness could be Tiger Woods or Serena
has no ceiling. You don't rely on others, maybe a
caddy or a coach, but it's about you. But Cristiano Ronaldi,
perhaps the greatest soccer talent of my life, with Portugal's talent,
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is not going to win a World Cup. Give him French,
French talent, Germany talent. Give him that level of talent
surrounding him. He probably has multiple World Cups. Do not doubt, however,
Caitlin Clark's remarkable talent. She has the qualities we love
with basketball stars. Scores quickly, scores a lot, real toughness,
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the vision, the ability to elevate others. But her career
at college ends like many icons do before they get
a Pippin'. Kobe's career was stalled, then he got pau Gasol.
The better team beats the icon without great supporting staff.
Caitlin Clark, though, the story here is bigger than that.
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She carried a lot of things over the last couple
of months, largely women's basketball, the state of Iowa's economy,
and my guess she will have an impact in the WNBA.
I doubt it's this significant, but she will have an
impact and certain people, men and women. Whatever it is,
you see it sometimes in movies in Hollywood, but that's
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often make believe, and this was very real. It is
almost a magic dust. Is it invincibility, relatability, connectability, or
just lots of ability, whatever it is, it was bigger
than basketball. Caitlin Clark sprinkled that dust over all of us.
And here's what they said after.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
There's not a regret in my mind of how things went.
I'll be able to sleep every night even though I
never won a national championship, And I think that's the
thing about everything I've done, is like there's so much
to be proud of. I don't sit in sulk about
the things that never happened. I just, you know, my
mom always taught me keep your head high, be proud
of everything that you accomplished. And you know, I think
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I'm still hungry for a lot more too.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
I want to personally think Katelyn Clark for lifting up
our sport. She carried a heavy low for our sport
and it just is not gonna stop here on the
collegiate tour. But when she is the number one pick
in a WNBA draft, she's gonna lift that league up
as well. So so Katelyn Clark, if you're out there,
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you are one of the goats of our games that
we appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
A lot of athletes, even great ones, ride the wave.
Caitlyn Clark was the wave, all right. I've been told
the Washington commanders right now, as of today, would choose
Jaden Daniels LSU quarterback as their top pick, and going
back and forth, I'm told they believe he's more consistent
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than Drake May. He is quicker, more mobile than Drake May.
An offensive coordinator at Cliff Kingsbury who will have some
say in this, has had multiple quarterbacks in his collegen
pro coaching career that play like him. Quarterbacks like Jaylen Daniels.
Jayden Daniels are important. They're very hyper mobile, right, and
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that matters a lot. Russell Wilson, Kyler, Murray, Lamar Jackson.
As you're trying to figure out the sophisticated NFL pocket
and all it asks, it gives you a couple of
years to pick up first downs and move the sticks
with your feet. Even Patrick Mahomes acknowledged the light didn't
truly go on until year three. But the ability to
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move Washington's got a bad offensive line, pick up first
downs with those feet as you're learning the game is important.
He is not perfectly sized. He's a bit spindily for
me six three, six, three and a half and two
ten and it is a bit of a concern. But
in the NFL you can't be paralyzed by per I
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remember listening to draft experts tell me that Justin Herbert
was just too mechanical. Yes, he is mechanical. That is
his one flaw he's a bit mechanical. He could be
more creative. He's also six five and a half two
thirty with a huge arm and can move. Draft him.
You know, when you get relationships, could be a girlfriend, boyfriend,
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marriage company. There's no perfect. Stop seeking it. Stop nitpicking.
Jayden Daniels is really good at Arizona State. He's better
at LSU. He gets better every year. You need a quarterback.
If you look at the top quarterback prospects coming out
of college, they had red flags. I mean, Josh Allen
was inaccurate. Patrick Mahomes was wild. He was one of
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those big twelve air raid quarterbacks and none before him
had worked. Justin Herbert was mechanical. Some were asking about
Lamar Jackson, is he an NFL quarterback? And these are
the top guys. Forget the third, fourth, and fifth round
gets the top guys. It's very rare when you get
a Matt Stafford and everybody's like, yeah, big arm, big arm,
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wins a lot, accurate and productive. Even Joe Burrow people
wonder can he push the ball down the field. He's
done just fine doing that that. His big issue now
is held so Aaron Rodgers. I'm reading part of e
O'Connor's new book, which comes out in September, on Aaron Rodgers.
One of the reasons he fell in the draft people
thought he was too arrogant. Yes, sometimes he is. He's
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also got a trophy, and that's what everybody's trying to
do here. So there's other things to consider. If you
have the number duo pick and you have a defensive
head coach in Washington, does defensive coaches hate turnovers? Jayden
Daniels doesn't turn the ball over. Last year he had
a ten to one touchdown to interception ratio. He does
not turn the ball over. The other thing to think about,
Washington's got a very weak offensive line. Well, pocket quarterbacks
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like a Jared Goff. You see how good he is
in Detroit with a good line, or in the Rams
when they had Andrew Whitworth. You saw him before Andrew
Whitworth arrived in Los Angeles and the on line was bad.
Jared Goff was ineffective, so bad old line, mobile quarterbacks matter,
TD interception ratio. Fantastic defensive coaches like that. The offensive
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coordinator has worked with several college quarterbacks that have had
this style and been effective. And again he just keeps
getting better. That is a real thing. So I'm told
right now today that is who Washington likes. It works
with his mobility, he doesn't turn the ball over, He's
coachable and keeps getting better. Right now, Washington, Jaden Daniels
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at too good stuff today. I tell you that Caitlin
Clark story is fun A lot of times. Selfishly, whenever
I watch sports, I think about how does it benefit
my show? Because I'm on the air for three hours
a day, fifteen hours a week, you can do the math.
I have to fill a lot of space. And one
of the things I've said, even though I don't necessarily
love it for the sport, if the NFL extends to
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eighteen weeks and a second by, it'll take me all
the way to NFL free agency seasonal end. I'll talk
about the Super Bowl. I'll take a week off, I'll
come back. There'll be eighteen NBA games left. It makes
my job easier. I hope women's basketball rides this momentum
and we can mix it in to our march topics.
I'm always looking for stuff outside of the NFL that
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moves the needle. It's why I love the PAC twelve
converging with the Big Ten. So I get USC Washington, Oregon,
UCLA along with Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan, Penn State. I
get all those brands in one conference. I get Texas,
Oklahoma in the SEC with Bama, Georgia, LSU in Florida.
I'm looking for big and the more topics can fill
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a show. So anybody that fights fun or fights momentum.
Caitlin Clark is great for sports, great for Iowa, great
for the WNBA, great for my business. So selfishly, it's
fantastic that we have this tsunami of TV ratings for
a sport that got him back in eighty three with
Cheryl Miller, and then it's always been, you know, from
a sports talk show, radio host, TV host, it's kind
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of disposable. You talk about it that I would love
to have ten segments, multiple leads in March April every
year on this sport. And the other thing about women's
basketball that men's college basketball over the last decade has lost.
It gives you chemistry, and it gives you continuity. It
gives you stories that are repeating. Remember, ninety percent of
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the money in Hollywood is remakes, Right, like this was
a remake. It's Iowa gets there and loses and the
LSU Angel Reese story. We all get caught up on
this on the wrong stuff. Angel Reese. She talked a
little trash, she got a little heat. She's gonna be great,
She's fine. But the bigger story was it was a
rematch in boxing, UFC, Hollywood Sports. We like rematches, you
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argue and fight them. But there were so many things
that worked. I hope this is what March and April
looked like. Both the men and women's college basketball programs
can be big toppings.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I mean, Colin, we talk about the industry a lot
and how it's changed significantly in the last thirty years.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Do you know how hard it is to get people
to turn on a television.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
In twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
You got TikTok YouTube streaming service. There's so many options
video games. Yet for Kitlin Clark, people are actively seeking
out the game, turning on a television.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
That says something. When by the way, the Yukon team,
some of these Yukon.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Players taking jabs the old w Yeah, they were getting
like two million viewers for the championship game when they
were undefeated like thirty nine and zero two three million viewers. Yeah,
Kaitlin Clark is pulling seven eight times that number. She
gets people to turn on a TV. We haven't seen
that in women's sports since ever.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Tiger Woods got me, along with the Sopranos, to change
how I viewed Sunday television, right, Like Tiger Woods move
people to Sunday. I would be out usually doing things
and I was like, Oh, it's two o'clock, Tiger's making
the turn. We got a there's very few athletes that
had Gretzky made hockey for a short time, like Cover
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of Sports, illustrated when it mattered, lead in the news
when it mattered bigger than basketball. Like, there are these
athletes and a lot of its greatness. But there's a
magic dust too. I mean, daytime television eroded. Oprah didn't
she grew. Whatever it is, is it invincibility, connectability, Rother
you know a lot of ability, whatever it is. I
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don't know what the IT factor is. Part of it
is obviously a great player, but there's a lot of
great players in the KD is a great player. He
doesn't move TV ratings. Steph Curry's a great player. He
does move TV ratings. So It's hard to explain what
it was. The first time I ever saw this in
my life, and I didn't know what TV ratings were.
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But when I was a kid, Muhammad Ali he was lyrical,
he had poems, he was his style, he was good looking.
It's just hard to explain what it is and people.
I mean, I've been trying to figure out kind of
what it is. But I've seen it happen about once
a decade. You get this magic dust sprinkled on a
sport and it's like, it's just join the wave, have
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fun and watching him.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
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Speaker 1 (14:18):
All Right, time for Colin Right, Colin wrong?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Here we go?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Where Colin was right?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I said, John Calipari always gets defensive and uncomfortable when
you question his vision on one and done. And so
he just bailed on a great program Kentucky to go
to Arkansas because he was uncomfortable with Kentucky, saying, uh, John,
we need a little more in March. It's not a
move I would have made. He's gonna make a bunch
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of money but I think people finally ask the question, Yeah,
it's recruiting, it's great, but you gotta deliver in March.
If you're the head coach of Kentucky, nobody cares how
rich the players get in the NBA. They want to
be enriched at Kentucky. And that's what he didn't do
the last four or five years. Where Colin was raw,
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I will say this for Luca and Kyrie, it's not
just about winning. The MAVs now are a top five
defensive rated team, and Kyrie has been a good teammate,
and I just didn't see it. I'd watched his career.
I saw how Boston worked, I saw how Brooklyn worked.
All I know right now Luca and Kyrie have the
highest net rating in the league. The only one better
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is Jokich and several teammates. So this is a big
surprise for me. They're better defensively, They're a lot of
fun to watch. They're offensively brilliant, a little bit like Phoenix,
but a better version where the offense is scintilating, but
you just don't know how it plays in later April,
May and June. But I was wrong where Colin was right.
Listen I've been saying this forever. Purists, you can't lean
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on him. Go big in sports talk Dallas Cowboys talk
the big brands. Women's college basketball, Iowa on a Friday night,
and that's a terrible TV night. Beat every college football
game except Michigan Ohio State. Lean into Stars is the
key to television. Stop with the purity. Stop. Caitland Clark's
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a star, Tiger's a star, the Cowboys are stars. You
can't talk enough about Caitlin Clark and Iowa and stars.
It's how in a fragmented world people are busy and distracted.
Caitland Clark galvanized the country where Colin was right well,
I said, I watched Yukon play three times in the
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regular season, and I said, I don't live for college basketball.
I'm a casual, but that is easily the best team
in college basketball. They are winning in the tournament by
twenty five a game, and these are the best teams,
and I think they'll win by about eight or nine tonight.
Dan Hurley on what he has built with the Huskies.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
Our identity is to be pretty relentless, and you know,
we might not break you for you know, eighteen minutes
twenty five minutes. You know, but at some point, if
what we're doing at both ends and on the backboard
is at a high level, it just becomes hard for
the other team to sustain it.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yep, and that's why I think they beat Perdue, a
very good and worthy Perdue team. Tonight, we'll say about
the seventy eight. Seventy feels about.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Right where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Doc rivers. The Bucks are still a number two seed,
but he's fifteen and seventeen as a head coach. I
thought it would take a while, but it would be
better than this because Doc rivers history is he's good
with older teams. He was good when he got KG
and Ray Allen, and he's always been good with veteran players.
Some coaches are Frank Vogel's good with Biggs, Mike D'Antoni
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good with pacing. It has not worked. I know that
he deflects criticism. I know his rotations get a lot
of criticism. But I did think, oh, this will work,
this will fit, and it really this is a strained
team that just doesn't look right. Where Colin was right.
I said this before the season, enduring it. Jalen Brunson's
the biggest basketball star and the best basketball star in
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New York since Patrick Ewing. I saw him play live Friday.
He's better. He's better than I thought. I love everything
about him. I love that he went to Villanova. I
love how tough he is. I love his resilience. He's
getting better. He scored forty three. The Knicks should not
be beating Milwaukee. They should not be. He's just a
tremendous player, and being a star is more than just
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about getting yours. People want to play with him when
he's on the floor. He jumps off a TV. He
jumps when you're there. He is this force of nature.
I know a lot of small guys don't lead teams
to titles, but I don't think he has to win
a title in New York to validate his greatness. Good
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for Jalen.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Brunson where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Stefan Diggs, we said it a year ago that Josh
Allen was tired of the drama. I'm a big fan,
Anna Stefon Diggs. I would take him. I think the
Texans got a good player, but they wiped out the
final three years in his contract to make him a
free agent after the season. And I think it's a
smart move. Listen in my life. For whatever reasons, I
don't know why, but wide receivers break the huddle first.
It's more of an individual position, and you know, sometimes
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they bring some drama. I can think two things at once.
I like the player. I like the player a lot.
I'm glad he's going to the Texans. I think he'll
make a difference. But we called this for the last
six months to a year. It just felt like it
was increasingly strained in Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
You know, defensive football coaches drive me nuts. The Patriots
signed a deal for a safety, Kyle Duggar, who's a
good player, for almost sixty million bucks. Defensive coaches stop
paying linebackers and safeties of fortune. Pay wide receivers, tackles,
quarterbacks and occasional running back. This is my issue with
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the Patriots. They hired somebody who has the same vision,
albeit a younger person, of Bill Belichick. The teams right
now that are growing and getting the most out of
draft picks, in my opinion, are offensive coaches. Safeties are fine.
They're fine, like a good safety. I'm not paying sixty
million for one. Where Colin was right where Colin was wrong.
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Speaker 1 (21:24):
Second time, we're bringing him on. We hope he's on
all the time. Mit cronin, UCLA basketball coach, two time
Conference Coach of the Year, you'd had about a streak
of twelve thirteen straight tournaments. You'd been in this thing forever.
It's been fun to watch, and my takeaway initially was
it's a bit diluted. I don't think it's terribly good
at the middle or bottom, but at the top it's
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really good. I had talked to Mark feu maybe on
or off the air a month ago, and he's like,
I don't want to play Perdue again. Are you surprised,
you know the Midwest? Well, yeah, there were questions about
are they toose Zach eye to pen and are they
athletic enough? Are you shock produced here?
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Oh no, not at all, because they you know, they've
go back again, you and I, you know, to our
era the Pistons had to go through losing to the Celtics.
The Bulls had to go through losing to the Pistons.
You know. So Purdue's been through some tough times and
they've all stayed together, and they have an elite coach
in Matt Painter, and they have the best player in
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the country. Yeah, so that it would have surprised me
if they would have lost because of what they've been through.
I think too many people say, well, they don't know
how to win, they were young. Give them a chance.
You understand, last year they started two freshmen guards. That's all.
You know, unless they're lottery picks, how are you going
to make the final four or two freshman guards.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
So EDI's size is significant, especially in college, but u
CON's actually a bigger team everywhere else. Yes, I kind
of feel like they'll hang around. But Hurley says this,
we're a lot. He's like, we may take us eighteen
twenty minutes. I read that we are all. I always
felt this way with Alabama and Saban. You could hang
for a half, but the velocity of athletes over the
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course of three hours, they wear you out. Who do
you like tonight?
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I mean I would be shocked if Purdue one. I
think Yukon's a distinctive favorite for a couple of reasons. One,
Klingon is the only guy that has a chance to
guard Eadie one on one and slow them down a
little exactly so you know, to me, the produced supporting
cast is relying upon the fact that you have to
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pay so much attention to Zach Edy that they make
open shots like there. You know their supporting cast isn't
what Yukon's is. I mean, you know, Caravan is a
unbelievable shot maker off screens. They have two guards. Do
you understand Yukon's two starting guards combined, Tristan Newton and
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Cam Spencer. Tonight will be there. I look this up
for US two hundred and ninety and ninety first college
game combined.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
What a huge edge two fifth year player, I mean exactly,
very Villanova feeling.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Yeah, and even more with the fifth year they're both
fifth year guys. You know they got every they just
got her in. Castle's a lottery pick, but he's not
a He's not like a down the road. He's gonna know.
He's a tough dude like that. You know his dad played.
I mean Castle's a real guy. He's a productive freshman.
Caravan's the glue guy though. So when your four man
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is an elite shooter, I mean, it just changes everything.
I mean it's new wave basketball right with that stretch
for they're just parts fit but clinging. I mean, if
he doesn't get in foul trouble, but they have Johnson,
I mean they're just the best team.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yes, I think top to it felt like South Carolina
yesterday we had a thirty nine bench advantage. You're talking
about different level.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I was saying, some athletes ride the wave. Caitlin Clark
felt like the wave is that.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I read a.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Story that Gino Oriama had seen her kind of passed
on her. It's okay, people developed, some people are great
at twelve. Some develop. We've seen that in all all
sorts of sports. When you watch Caitlyn Clark, there's a
guy who does this for a living. Get we know
she can shoot. What's the second thing you look at
and go, well, that's elite passing.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I was surprised. Obviously we're busy, so you don't have
much time, right, but it's like, what's what's going on?
You know with this girls player? At Iowa. Right, so
you turn it on and her passing is elite. I
don't know if she would have had not to disparage
anybody but her supporting cast. Would you know, God is
good Steph Curry's She's a college version of Steph Curry.
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She's not the best athlete, but she's the best shooter
and an elite passer. The question for me and that
I don't know this because I don't know the w
NBA as well, but I know they're twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty.
You know, will her Will she be able to get
all that done against better athletes, against more size? You know,
how how much will that translate? I mean that's the
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question going forward.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well, the one thing I do like about her, and
she's a playmaker. Like a lot of scorers, aren't. They're
just scores?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Right? She can really pass it?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
She can So I said this earlier. Life's about connections.
When I started a business three years ago, I leaned
on people. I knew if the Lakers took Brownie James
at fifty five. I called one NBA scout last week
and he said, listen, smart kid plays the right way.
Because of his physical scare he's got more. He's not
a playmaker, he's not wildly dynamic, but he's a good athlete.
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And the Lakers have no shooters. He said, So if
you could find a guy off the bench, take him
two years. Gross And he said, if Lebron is energized
his last three years, it's not the end of the world.
Your takeaway, I mean, you know, you saw him play.
Could he develop into a rotational NBA guy and hit jays?
Speaker 4 (26:43):
And I think in time for sure?
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yeah. The question is I would tell you I had
the advantage. I saw him let in high school obviously,
you know, with recruiting he played with a Maury Bailey
at Sierra Canyon who played you know, so I was
there a lot. I would tell you the whatever had
whatever went on with the heart situation. Yeah, I mean,
(27:06):
can you imagine how I mean, that's how hard that is. Yeah, well,
I'm just going to imagine. It wasn't like he was
able to run around, stay in shape. You know, he
probably had to shut it down for an extended period
of time he did to come into It's hard enough
as a freshman in college basketball in this era of
twenty you know, the fifth year guys, a lot of
them to come in as a freshman that had an
(27:27):
entire summer of training, Well, he had no summer, he
had no fall really, and then all of a sudden
he's back on the court. So he was a shell
of what I saw in high school. Right, So he's
what did you see in high school? Well, I think
he was quicker, faster, more athletics. So you know, I
think you know, sitting around for five months couldn't have helped. Course.
(27:49):
But he can shoot the ball. He's smart. He's a
very good kid. I've been around him.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Somebody told me he'll be great on a well run
organization because like his dad, he makes the right play.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Well, he's been trained there. Yeah, that's just habit for him.
You know that mean he grew up. You imagine growing
up sitting watching basketball games and your dad. Your dad's
Lebron James, but he's to you as your dad. But
he obviously he's talking about the right play all the time.
You know, the guy was, you know, the best passer.
You know, he's he's always made the right play. When
people say they knocked Lebron, well he should have shot
(28:20):
a bad shot. Why do he passes to the wide
open guy. Like people go on and say that stuff,
like because he guy's wide open, well we should have
you know, well, if the guy would have made it,
you wouldn't have been criticizing. So his dad's always been
around the right play. So legacy guys too, tend to
In the last fifteen years, a lot of legacy guys
have been maybe underrated. And now he didn't fly under
(28:44):
the radar like Steph Curry Okay, like his brother Okay
that you know he went to Davidson. His brother went
to Liberty. So the big advantage of if your your
parent was a good play because you've been taught the game.
A lot of legacy players now it's not taught. I
(29:05):
mean in recruiting, I try to search for him, Yeah,
because you know how they've grown up. Like I know
why I'm here. My dad was a great high school
coach and when the season was over, he was part
of the best organization in the Atlanta Braves for twenty years.
They won fourteen rings. Like those are the people I
walk home from school. Bobby Cox's in my house, you know,
so like I know the advantages I had growing up,
(29:27):
So it's a huge advantage when you can grow up
around that, because not only is Bronn he talks to
his dad. Who do you think his dad's friends are
other good players? Right? I mean, look who they're you know. Look,
so you're just you're so far advanced and you don't
even know it that by the time you're thirteen, how
much basketball you really know?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, you know, I for years and years I would
hear that, you know, if you grow up with money,
you won't have an edge. But I always felt basketball
has been a suburb sport for about fifteen years, and
that a lot of the good programs are well capitalized.
His programs, they're suburban schools with money.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Well, you know, we're in the era where money matters
now as well. But in high school. Look, high school
has changed so much. You know, there was an era
of you know out here, whether it was Fremont or Crenshaw,
you know, Compton Centennial, and now it's all private schools.
Same you know New York City, the Catholic League back then,
(30:23):
but even there were scholarship but the diocesis was so
big there there. But now they all go to prep schools.
You know, it's just the world of scholastic basketball. Has
really really changed.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, I'm going to ask you about Zach edy again.
So I'm I think sometimes we make a mistake, and
I'm guilty of this, that we forget these are young
people and everybody ages. It doesn't matter if it's actors.
You see it in comedy. There are late bloomers. Not
everybody is a John Stewart twenty. He's just clever. A
lot of these comedians hit at twenty eight to thirty.
(30:57):
And when I watched Zach Edie last year, I like,
then't move very well. I'm not sure he's a great
closer for his side. And then I started watching him
ended the Big Ten season, I'm like, God, he's a
way better player.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
And you've got a couple of those guys may Hawks. Yeah,
And it's what what is the click factor? Is it?
Because he was always big? What was the click factor?
And what do you think it is with him?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Well, big guys on a rule of thumb in basketball, okay,
and just life. You know, taller you are, it takes
you longer to be coordinated. Okay. Right, you know you
go watch you know Mick Cronin in seventh grade. I'm
the same size, right, you know, versus some other kid.
It's our arms and legs. It's just going to take
(31:41):
them time. It takes big guys longer for their coordination
to catch up to their size. And that's just and
that's been going on forever. So you know, Zach in
his case, I'm sure it's the same thing. It's just
taking time, it's taking hard work. Then in his case,
I think he said he worked, really worked on his
(32:02):
diet is conditioning. You know, Matt painters much more cut,
get much more Matt. Matt's a friend of mine. You know,
he wasn't going to get It's a great example, you
know for staying in school. You know, everybody now wants
to say, well this guy, everything's the microwave society, right,
you got to give people a chance to develop as
a player, that's right, you know, give him a chance.
I mean, you know, look what's happened. Now, he's going
(32:23):
to be a lottery pick maybe. I mean, I don't
know if you've looked. I mean, the boards have him
all the way up. I saw the one was at thirteen.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
May well I had him at seventeen.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Last time. There you go, well, well he was like
not drafted to fifty last year.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
No, I when I watched him, I thought he was slow,
and I didn't think for a size he was dominant
enough close. Now he's completely dominant up close.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Okay, look at Donovan Klingon, who's going to play tonight? Okay,
he could go probably going to go top five now. Right,
last year he came off the bench. They played at
Donald Snogo as a starter. So you got to get
but bigger guys your original question, Yeah, the longer, taller
you are. It's very rare that those kind of guys
are coordinated and polished as a younger player, very very rare.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, is you know the psychology of Zachi ed I
always you know, he was six ten in the eighth grade,
and I always had this feeling that some bigs were
a little socially awkward because they were bigger than their teachers,
and like Kareem was very shy. And you've you've seen,
like a guy that a lot of guards have had
big personalities, like they were the athlete, they were good looking,
(33:26):
the girls liked them, the guys and then you're seven
feet very rare, embiid huge personality. But it is interesting
when you recruit bigs, is it a different recruiting process
than a point guard.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Oh yeah, I think you're you're you named a few
shack Joe Embie's got you know, he's an alkoholing guy.
A lot of guys, I think it's easy to become
introverted because well, people just staring at you. I mean,
you know, imagine. I've been very fortunate to develop relationship
with Kareem Okay you being the coach at UCLA. I mean,
(34:02):
he's told me some things and shared with me some
things from his youth because I'm fascinated and I'm a
history guy. Now I know he's the best basketball player
I want to know about, you know, how it was
to be him? And it's just, you know what what
you go through with people just staring at you. How's
the you know, how's the weather up there? It's like
where you really did you come up with that? All
by yourself? I mean, can you imagine being that guy
that has to listen to that every time you get
(34:24):
in an elevator. So I think it causes some of
those kids to maybe go, uh, you know, become introspective
and quieter, which is not good for your basketball development,
for your athletic development. You need to be confident. You know,
you should. You can't have your shoulders slouch. So, you know,
I think again, as you get more comfortable with your
(34:44):
size and who you are as a person, and except
that you're just taller than everybody, and even though people
look at you because of that, do you become a
better player as you It translates.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I like what I hear Zach Edie and the mic
I like him. Oh yeah, he's got just enough attitude.
He's just enough of a smart alec that he's it's social.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
But who was he four years ago? You know? It
was really try you know, that's why you know, you know,
there's such a rush to try to a guy comes
into college, is he a pro or not? Well, hold on,
let everybody's not Lebron James. You know, let let a
guy develop. Let it. First of all, let a boy
become a man. Right when the boy becomes a man,
(35:26):
he's going to be a better player because he knows
not only does he know more about the game, he
knows more about rest, he knows more about what he
should be focusing on. But it's just you, you know, that's
the world we're in. With the microwave society.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
So John Calipari goes to Arkansas. It's obviously it's it's
a duke Carolina Kansas. You gotta win. You gotta win
pretty quickly. But you would inherit some good players. John
can recruit his butt off. What do you make of Uh?
Part of why I like SEC football is they're crazy.
(35:57):
Part of what makes Kentucky one of the top three jobs.
They're a little.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Nuts with Their fan base is second to none. Period.
Let's just you know, I grew up sixty miles from there. Tomorrow, Uh,
if they called me tomorrow be their coach. Yeah, I
turned left on sunset. Yeah. Yeah, we leave here. I'm
going to the Grand Havana Room in Beverly Hills with
your boss, Mark Silverman to watch the game tonight. That's
(36:22):
a good Yeah, I mean, you know, but seriously, it's
it's we talked about this last time. You know. The
jobs can be some of these jobs are the expectations
are so high, incredible that the magnitude of the job,
you can't feed the beast forever, you know, And when
you build the beast early and coach John did, he
(36:44):
had unbelievable success. And when you can't repeat that it's
it's really hard. It's just a hard existence. So my
you know, my guess would be that basically it was
just you know, time for change was his mind you know,
his mindset. I mean, I read something this morning, but
he's friends with the Tyson Chicken guy. I mean that's
(37:05):
all speculation. I mean, it's all speculation. But you do that.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Job is you have to give up chunks of your life.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
There you go, and that's pretty normal in our business.
That basically if you're going to be a college coach.
It's really hard for people outside of our business, for
former players or NBA guys, they can't understand it. Like
yesterday I had a zoom call, you know, an hour
and a half on a Sunday. Then I had one
of my players over because he's from Spain, and I
(37:33):
had to making birthday dinner because he's sitting there by
himself turning nineteen. Then I've already had a zoom call
before I drove here. You know, like it's just your
normal is the work all the time as a college
coats and everything else is secondary. That's just like so
those are the guys that tend to be successful in
our business. It's just your normal that your life is secondary.
(37:54):
But that job is really different than any other job.
It really is. I mean it's just is because of
the fan base and no pro sports.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
You get that Southern tribal passion. It was the last
region to get pro sports. Yeah, so college they don't
have it. College is bigger than pro.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Well, there is no pro in Kentucky. There are no
pro sports in the state of Kentucky now unless you
want to count the Red's Triple A team in Louisville.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, so's it's the show and has been.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
That's the other thing about Trude, you know, college about tradition.
It has been the only other basketball team in that
state that's ever played besides Kentucky or Louisville as the
Kentucky Colonels of the ABA.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
That was artist Gilmour or something like that. There was
Dan Isselt.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Yeah, I mean I was young man, I'm old. You're
not that much older than me. Great scene again, always
a pleasure. I appreciate you having.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Make Silverman pick it up. It's got a big budget.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh right, it is a Monday in Los Angeles, and
there is a lot to talk about. It's the hurt
wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Jmack is
back off VAK. It's great to have him in today.
Where Colin right, Where Colin was wrong? One hour from now.
Caitlin Clark sort of a lot of times athletes ride
(00:50):
a wave to the beach. She was the wave, She
was the momentum and the inertia, and she sort of
carried all of us on this magical ride which ended
up short. But I mean, you were on vacation everywhere
you go. I was at an airport yesterday and the
first half I was waiting to get on the plane
and I looked around, and I walked around where I
(01:12):
was sitting waiting to get on the plane. Everybody, whether
it was Fubo or whatever device it was, everybody was
watching that game. I've walked around during a World Series game.
I've walked around during a w NBA Finals game. Not
every TV's on, every TV was. I don't know what
the number will be, but every in the airport, the
whole airport in Chicago was watching it.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
The only time we turned on a TV during spring
break was to watch the Caitlin Clark LSU game pool side,
like twenty five people two TVs.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
It was crazy, like people.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Are obsessed and rightfully so. Yeah. Well, the better deeper
team South Carolina won yesterday. At one point they had
a thirty to nothing advantage in bench scoring. The better
team generally beats the iconic great star. I suspect night
Yukon the better team will beat the star Zach Edi
and Purdue. Caitlin Clark plays like Staph, but Steph got
(02:07):
great players around him, Clay Kadi and Draymond. Her career
is more like Luca in Dallas. Is Kyrie enough a
remarkable score but having to carry a little too bit
much of the load against the truly great teams in
South Carolina is the Yukon or Pat Summitch Tennessee. Now
they're really really good.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
MJ.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Never forget this. The best basketball player many believe ever
could never get past Larry Bird and the Celtics, could
never get past Isaiah Thomas and the Pistons until he
got Phil Jackson, a great coach, maybe the greatest coach,
and he got Scottie Pippen, the greatest Robin ever in
the NBA. Lebron in Cleveland, the first iteration of Cleveland.
He got to the finals and got destroyed, swept by
(02:50):
San Antonio. The better team, the better coach, the better
supporting cast. Individual greatness could be Tiger Woods or Serena
has no ceiling. You don't rely on others, maybe a
caddy or a coach, but it's about you. But Cristiano Ronaldi,
perhaps the greatest soccer talent of my life, with Portugal's talent,
(03:12):
is not going to win a World Cup. Give him French,
French talent, Germany talent. Give him that level of talent
surrounding him. He probably has multiple World Cups. Do not doubt, however,
Caitlin Clark's remarkable talent. She has the qualities we love
with basketball stars. Scores quickly, scores a lot, real toughness,
(03:33):
the vision, the ability to elevate others. But her career
at college ends like many icons do before they get
a Pippin'. Kobe's career was stalled, then he got pau Gasol.
The better team beats the icon without great supporting staff.
Caitlin Clark, though, the story here is bigger than that.
(03:54):
She carried a lot of things over the last couple
of months, largely women's basketball, the state of Iowa's economy,
and my guess she will have an impact in the WNBA.
I doubt it's this significant, but she will have an
impact and certain people, men and women. Whatever it is,
you see it sometimes in movies in Hollywood, but that's
(04:18):
often make believe, and this was very real. It is
almost a magic dust. Is it invincibility, relatability, connectability, or
just lots of ability, whatever it is, it was bigger
than basketball. Caitlin Clark sprinkled that dust over all of us.
And here's what they said after.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
There's not a regret in my mind of how things went.
I'll be able to sleep every night even though I
never won a national championship, And I think that's the
thing about everything I've done, is like there's so much
to be proud of. I don't sit in sulk about
the things that never happened. I just, you know, my
mom always taught me keep your head high, be proud
of everything that you accomplished. And you know, I think
(05:02):
I'm still hungry for a lot more too.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
I want to personally think Katelyn Clark for lifting up
our sport. She carried a heavy low for our sport
and it just is not gonna stop here on the
collegiate tour. But when she is the number one pick
in a WNBA draft, she's gonna lift that league up
as well. So so Katelyn Clark, if you're out there,
(05:28):
you are one of the goats of our games that
we appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
A lot of athletes, even great ones, ride the wave.
Caitlyn Clark was the wave, all right. I've been told
the Washington commanders right now, as of today, would choose
Jaden Daniels LSU quarterback as their top pick, and going
back and forth, I'm told they believe he's more consistent
(05:57):
than Drake May. He is quicker, more mobile than Drake May.
An offensive coordinator at Cliff Kingsbury who will have some
say in this, has had multiple quarterbacks in his collegen
pro coaching career that play like him. Quarterbacks like Jaylen Daniels.
Jayden Daniels are important. They're very hyper mobile, right, and
(06:17):
that matters a lot. Russell Wilson, Kyler, Murray, Lamar Jackson.
As you're trying to figure out the sophisticated NFL pocket
and all it asks, it gives you a couple of
years to pick up first downs and move the sticks
with your feet. Even Patrick Mahomes acknowledged the light didn't
truly go on until year three. But the ability to
(06:39):
move Washington's got a bad offensive line, pick up first
downs with those feet as you're learning the game is important.
He is not perfectly sized. He's a bit spindily for
me six three, six, three and a half and two
ten and it is a bit of a concern. But
in the NFL you can't be paralyzed by per I
(07:00):
remember listening to draft experts tell me that Justin Herbert
was just too mechanical. Yes, he is mechanical. That is
his one flaw he's a bit mechanical. He could be
more creative. He's also six five and a half two
thirty with a huge arm and can move. Draft him.
You know, when you get relationships, could be a girlfriend, boyfriend,
(07:21):
marriage company. There's no perfect. Stop seeking it. Stop nitpicking.
Jayden Daniels is really good at Arizona State. He's better
at LSU. He gets better every year. You need a quarterback.
If you look at the top quarterback prospects coming out
of college, they had red flags. I mean, Josh Allen
was inaccurate. Patrick Mahomes was wild. He was one of
(07:44):
those big twelve air raid quarterbacks and none before him
had worked. Justin Herbert was mechanical. Some were asking about
Lamar Jackson, is he an NFL quarterback? And these are
the top guys. Forget the third, fourth, and fifth round
gets the top guys. It's very rare when you get
a Matt Stafford and everybody's like, yeah, big arm, big arm,
(08:06):
wins a lot, accurate and productive. Even Joe Burrow people
wonder can he push the ball down the field. He's
done just fine doing that that. His big issue now
is held so Aaron Rodgers. I'm reading part of e
O'Connor's new book, which comes out in September, on Aaron Rodgers.
One of the reasons he fell in the draft people
thought he was too arrogant. Yes, sometimes he is. He's
(08:28):
also got a trophy, and that's what everybody's trying to
do here. So there's other things to consider. If you
have the number duo pick and you have a defensive
head coach in Washington, does defensive coaches hate turnovers? Jayden
Daniels doesn't turn the ball over. Last year he had
a ten to one touchdown to interception ratio. He does
not turn the ball over. The other thing to think about,
Washington's got a very weak offensive line. Well, pocket quarterbacks
(08:54):
like a Jared Goff. You see how good he is
in Detroit with a good line, or in the Rams
when they had Andrew Whitworth. You saw him before Andrew
Whitworth arrived in Los Angeles and the on line was bad.
Jared Goff was ineffective, so bad old line, mobile quarterbacks matter,
TD interception ratio. Fantastic defensive coaches like that. The offensive
(09:14):
coordinator has worked with several college quarterbacks that have had
this style and been effective. And again he just keeps
getting better. That is a real thing. So I'm told
right now today that is who Washington likes. It works
with his mobility, he doesn't turn the ball over, He's
coachable and keeps getting better. Right now, Washington, Jaden Daniels
(09:37):
at too good stuff today. I tell you that Caitlin
Clark story is fun A lot of times. Selfishly, whenever
I watch sports, I think about how does it benefit
my show? Because I'm on the air for three hours
a day, fifteen hours a week, you can do the math.
I have to fill a lot of space. And one
of the things I've said, even though I don't necessarily
love it for the sport, if the NFL extends to
(09:59):
eighteen weeks and a second by, it'll take me all
the way to NFL free agency seasonal end. I'll talk
about the Super Bowl. I'll take a week off, I'll
come back. There'll be eighteen NBA games left. It makes
my job easier. I hope women's basketball rides this momentum
and we can mix it in to our march topics.
I'm always looking for stuff outside of the NFL that
(10:20):
moves the needle. It's why I love the PAC twelve
converging with the Big Ten. So I get USC Washington, Oregon,
UCLA along with Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan, Penn State. I
get all those brands in one conference. I get Texas,
Oklahoma in the SEC with Bama, Georgia, LSU in Florida.
I'm looking for big and the more topics can fill
(10:43):
a show. So anybody that fights fun or fights momentum.
Caitlin Clark is great for sports, great for Iowa, great
for the WNBA, great for my business. So selfishly, it's
fantastic that we have this tsunami of TV ratings for
a sport that got him back in eighty three with
Cheryl Miller, and then it's always been, you know, from
a sports talk show, radio host, TV host, it's kind
(11:06):
of disposable. You talk about it that I would love
to have ten segments, multiple leads in March April every
year on this sport. And the other thing about women's
basketball that men's college basketball over the last decade has lost.
It gives you chemistry, and it gives you continuity. It
gives you stories that are repeating. Remember, ninety percent of
(11:30):
the money in Hollywood is remakes, Right, like this was
a remake. It's Iowa gets there and loses and the
LSU Angel Reese story. We all get caught up on
this on the wrong stuff. Angel Reese. She talked a
little trash, she got a little heat. She's gonna be great,
She's fine. But the bigger story was it was a
rematch in boxing, UFC, Hollywood Sports. We like rematches, you
(11:53):
argue and fight them. But there were so many things
that worked. I hope this is what March and April
looked like. Both the men and women's college basketball programs
can be big toppings.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I mean, Colin, we talk about the industry a lot
and how it's changed significantly in the last thirty years.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Do you know how hard it is to get people
to turn on a television.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
In twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
You got TikTok YouTube streaming service. There's so many options
video games. Yet for Kitlin Clark, people are actively seeking
out the game, turning on a television.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
That says something. When by the way, the Yukon team,
some of these Yukon.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Players taking jabs the old w Yeah, they were getting
like two million viewers for the championship game when they
were undefeated like thirty nine and zero two three million viewers. Yeah,
Kaitlin Clark is pulling seven eight times that number. She
gets people to turn on a TV. We haven't seen
that in women's sports since ever.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Tiger Woods got me, along with the Sopranos, to change
how I viewed Sunday television, right, Like Tiger Woods move
people to Sunday. I would be out usually doing things
and I was like, Oh, it's two o'clock, Tiger's making
the turn. We got a there's very few athletes that
had Gretzky made hockey for a short time, like Cover
(13:06):
of Sports, illustrated when it mattered, lead in the news
when it mattered bigger than basketball. Like, there are these
athletes and a lot of its greatness. But there's a
magic dust too. I mean, daytime television eroded. Oprah didn't
she grew. Whatever it is, is it invincibility, connectability, Rother
you know a lot of ability, whatever it is. I
(13:27):
don't know what the IT factor is. Part of it
is obviously a great player, but there's a lot of
great players in the KD is a great player. He
doesn't move TV ratings. Steph Curry's a great player. He
does move TV ratings. So It's hard to explain what
it was. The first time I ever saw this in
my life, and I didn't know what TV ratings were.
(13:47):
But when I was a kid, Muhammad Ali he was lyrical,
he had poems, he was his style, he was good looking.
It's just hard to explain what it is and people.
I mean, I've been trying to figure out kind of
what it is. But I've seen it happen about once
a decade. You get this magic dust sprinkled on a
sport and it's like, it's just join the wave, have
(14:08):
fun and watching him.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
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Speaker 1 (14:18):
All Right, time for Colin Right, Colin wrong?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Here we go?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Where Colin was right?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I said, John Calipari always gets defensive and uncomfortable when
you question his vision on one and done. And so
he just bailed on a great program Kentucky to go
to Arkansas because he was uncomfortable with Kentucky, saying, uh, John,
we need a little more in March. It's not a
move I would have made. He's gonna make a bunch
(14:43):
of money but I think people finally ask the question, Yeah,
it's recruiting, it's great, but you gotta deliver in March.
If you're the head coach of Kentucky, nobody cares how
rich the players get in the NBA. They want to
be enriched at Kentucky. And that's what he didn't do
the last four or five years. Where Colin was raw,
(15:05):
I will say this for Luca and Kyrie, it's not
just about winning. The MAVs now are a top five
defensive rated team, and Kyrie has been a good teammate,
and I just didn't see it. I'd watched his career.
I saw how Boston worked, I saw how Brooklyn worked.
All I know right now Luca and Kyrie have the
highest net rating in the league. The only one better
(15:27):
is Jokich and several teammates. So this is a big
surprise for me. They're better defensively, They're a lot of
fun to watch. They're offensively brilliant, a little bit like Phoenix,
but a better version where the offense is scintilating, but
you just don't know how it plays in later April,
May and June. But I was wrong where Colin was right.
Listen I've been saying this forever. Purists, you can't lean
(15:50):
on him. Go big in sports talk Dallas Cowboys talk
the big brands. Women's college basketball, Iowa on a Friday night,
and that's a terrible TV night. Beat every college football
game except Michigan Ohio State. Lean into Stars is the
key to television. Stop with the purity. Stop. Caitland Clark's
(16:13):
a star, Tiger's a star, the Cowboys are stars. You
can't talk enough about Caitlin Clark and Iowa and stars.
It's how in a fragmented world people are busy and distracted.
Caitland Clark galvanized the country where Colin was right well,
I said, I watched Yukon play three times in the
(16:36):
regular season, and I said, I don't live for college basketball.
I'm a casual, but that is easily the best team
in college basketball. They are winning in the tournament by
twenty five a game, and these are the best teams,
and I think they'll win by about eight or nine tonight.
Dan Hurley on what he has built with the Huskies.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
Our identity is to be pretty relentless, and you know,
we might not break you for you know, eighteen minutes
twenty five minutes. You know, but at some point, if
what we're doing at both ends and on the backboard
is at a high level, it just becomes hard for
the other team to sustain it.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yep, and that's why I think they beat Perdue, a
very good and worthy Perdue team. Tonight, we'll say about
the seventy eight. Seventy feels about.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Right where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Doc rivers. The Bucks are still a number two seed,
but he's fifteen and seventeen as a head coach. I
thought it would take a while, but it would be
better than this because Doc rivers history is he's good
with older teams. He was good when he got KG
and Ray Allen, and he's always been good with veteran players.
Some coaches are Frank Vogel's good with Biggs, Mike D'Antoni
(17:47):
good with pacing. It has not worked. I know that
he deflects criticism. I know his rotations get a lot
of criticism. But I did think, oh, this will work,
this will fit, and it really this is a strained
team that just doesn't look right. Where Colin was right.
I said this before the season, enduring it. Jalen Brunson's
the biggest basketball star and the best basketball star in
(18:09):
New York since Patrick Ewing. I saw him play live Friday.
He's better. He's better than I thought. I love everything
about him. I love that he went to Villanova. I
love how tough he is. I love his resilience. He's
getting better. He scored forty three. The Knicks should not
be beating Milwaukee. They should not be. He's just a
tremendous player, and being a star is more than just
(18:31):
about getting yours. People want to play with him when
he's on the floor. He jumps off a TV. He
jumps when you're there. He is this force of nature.
I know a lot of small guys don't lead teams
to titles, but I don't think he has to win
a title in New York to validate his greatness. Good
(18:52):
for Jalen.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Brunson where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Stefan Diggs, we said it a year ago that Josh
Allen was tired of the drama. I'm a big fan,
Anna Stefon Diggs. I would take him. I think the
Texans got a good player, but they wiped out the
final three years in his contract to make him a
free agent after the season. And I think it's a
smart move. Listen in my life. For whatever reasons, I
don't know why, but wide receivers break the huddle first.
It's more of an individual position, and you know, sometimes
(19:18):
they bring some drama. I can think two things at once.
I like the player. I like the player a lot.
I'm glad he's going to the Texans. I think he'll
make a difference. But we called this for the last
six months to a year. It just felt like it
was increasingly strained in Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
You know, defensive football coaches drive me nuts. The Patriots
signed a deal for a safety, Kyle Duggar, who's a
good player, for almost sixty million bucks. Defensive coaches stop
paying linebackers and safeties of fortune. Pay wide receivers, tackles,
quarterbacks and occasional running back. This is my issue with
(19:55):
the Patriots. They hired somebody who has the same vision,
albeit a younger person, of Bill Belichick. The teams right
now that are growing and getting the most out of
draft picks, in my opinion, are offensive coaches. Safeties are fine.
They're fine, like a good safety. I'm not paying sixty
million for one. Where Colin was right where Colin was wrong.
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Speaker 1 (21:24):
Second time, we're bringing him on. We hope he's on
all the time. Mit cronin, UCLA basketball coach, two time
Conference Coach of the Year, you'd had about a streak
of twelve thirteen straight tournaments. You'd been in this thing forever.
It's been fun to watch, and my takeaway initially was
it's a bit diluted. I don't think it's terribly good
at the middle or bottom, but at the top it's
(21:45):
really good. I had talked to Mark feu maybe on
or off the air a month ago, and he's like,
I don't want to play Perdue again. Are you surprised,
you know the Midwest? Well, yeah, there were questions about
are they toose Zach eye to pen and are they
athletic enough? Are you shock produced here?
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Oh no, not at all, because they you know, they've
go back again, you and I, you know, to our
era the Pistons had to go through losing to the Celtics.
The Bulls had to go through losing to the Pistons.
You know. So Purdue's been through some tough times and
they've all stayed together, and they have an elite coach
in Matt Painter, and they have the best player in
(22:24):
the country. Yeah, so that it would have surprised me
if they would have lost because of what they've been through.
I think too many people say, well, they don't know
how to win, they were young. Give them a chance.
You understand, last year they started two freshmen guards. That's all.
You know, unless they're lottery picks, how are you going
to make the final four or two freshman guards.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
So EDI's size is significant, especially in college, but u
CON's actually a bigger team everywhere else. Yes, I kind
of feel like they'll hang around. But Hurley says this,
we're a lot. He's like, we may take us eighteen
twenty minutes. I read that we are all. I always
felt this way with Alabama and Saban. You could hang
for a half, but the velocity of athletes over the
(23:06):
course of three hours, they wear you out. Who do
you like tonight?
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I mean I would be shocked if Purdue one. I
think Yukon's a distinctive favorite for a couple of reasons. One,
Klingon is the only guy that has a chance to
guard Eadie one on one and slow them down a
little exactly so you know, to me, the produced supporting
cast is relying upon the fact that you have to
(23:30):
pay so much attention to Zach Edy that they make
open shots like there. You know their supporting cast isn't
what Yukon's is. I mean, you know, Caravan is a
unbelievable shot maker off screens. They have two guards. Do
you understand Yukon's two starting guards combined, Tristan Newton and
(23:50):
Cam Spencer. Tonight will be there. I look this up
for US two hundred and ninety and ninety first college
game combined.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
What a huge edge two fifth year player, I mean exactly,
very Villanova feeling.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Yeah, and even more with the fifth year they're both
fifth year guys. You know they got every they just
got her in. Castle's a lottery pick, but he's not
a He's not like a down the road. He's gonna know.
He's a tough dude like that. You know his dad played.
I mean Castle's a real guy. He's a productive freshman.
Caravan's the glue guy though. So when your four man
(24:25):
is an elite shooter, I mean, it just changes everything.
I mean it's new wave basketball right with that stretch
for they're just parts fit but clinging. I mean, if
he doesn't get in foul trouble, but they have Johnson,
I mean they're just the best team.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yes, I think top to it felt like South Carolina
yesterday we had a thirty nine bench advantage. You're talking
about different level.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I was saying, some athletes ride the wave. Caitlin Clark
felt like the wave is that.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I read a.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Story that Gino Oriama had seen her kind of passed
on her. It's okay, people developed, some people are great
at twelve. Some develop. We've seen that in all all
sorts of sports. When you watch Caitlyn Clark, there's a
guy who does this for a living. Get we know
she can shoot. What's the second thing you look at
and go, well, that's elite passing.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I was surprised. Obviously we're busy, so you don't have
much time, right, but it's like, what's what's going on?
You know with this girls player? At Iowa. Right, so
you turn it on and her passing is elite. I
don't know if she would have had not to disparage
anybody but her supporting cast. Would you know, God is
good Steph Curry's She's a college version of Steph Curry.
(25:34):
She's not the best athlete, but she's the best shooter
and an elite passer. The question for me and that
I don't know this because I don't know the w
NBA as well, but I know they're twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty.
You know, will her Will she be able to get
all that done against better athletes, against more size? You know,
how how much will that translate? I mean that's the
(25:56):
question going forward.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well, the one thing I do like about her, and
she's a playmaker. Like a lot of scorers, aren't. They're
just scores?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Right? She can really pass it?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
She can So I said this earlier. Life's about connections.
When I started a business three years ago, I leaned
on people. I knew if the Lakers took Brownie James
at fifty five. I called one NBA scout last week
and he said, listen, smart kid plays the right way.
Because of his physical scare he's got more. He's not
a playmaker, he's not wildly dynamic, but he's a good athlete.
(26:26):
And the Lakers have no shooters. He said, So if
you could find a guy off the bench, take him
two years. Gross And he said, if Lebron is energized
his last three years, it's not the end of the world.
Your takeaway, I mean, you know, you saw him play.
Could he develop into a rotational NBA guy and hit jays?
Speaker 4 (26:43):
And I think in time for sure?
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yeah. The question is I would tell you I had
the advantage. I saw him let in high school obviously,
you know, with recruiting he played with a Maury Bailey
at Sierra Canyon who played you know, so I was
there a lot. I would tell you the whatever had
whatever went on with the heart situation. Yeah, I mean,
(27:06):
can you imagine how I mean, that's how hard that is. Yeah, well,
I'm just going to imagine. It wasn't like he was
able to run around, stay in shape. You know, he
probably had to shut it down for an extended period
of time he did to come into It's hard enough
as a freshman in college basketball in this era of
twenty you know, the fifth year guys, a lot of
them to come in as a freshman that had an
(27:27):
entire summer of training, Well, he had no summer, he
had no fall really, and then all of a sudden
he's back on the court. So he was a shell
of what I saw in high school. Right, So he's
what did you see in high school? Well, I think
he was quicker, faster, more athletics. So you know, I
think you know, sitting around for five months couldn't have helped. Course.
(27:49):
But he can shoot the ball. He's smart. He's a
very good kid. I've been around him.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Somebody told me he'll be great on a well run
organization because like his dad, he makes the right play.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Well, he's been trained there. Yeah, that's just habit for him.
You know that mean he grew up. You imagine growing
up sitting watching basketball games and your dad. Your dad's
Lebron James, but he's to you as your dad. But
he obviously he's talking about the right play all the time.
You know, the guy was, you know, the best passer.
You know, he's he's always made the right play. When
people say they knocked Lebron, well he should have shot
(28:20):
a bad shot. Why do he passes to the wide
open guy. Like people go on and say that stuff,
like because he guy's wide open, well we should have
you know, well, if the guy would have made it,
you wouldn't have been criticizing. So his dad's always been
around the right play. So legacy guys too, tend to
In the last fifteen years, a lot of legacy guys
have been maybe underrated. And now he didn't fly under
(28:44):
the radar like Steph Curry Okay, like his brother Okay
that you know he went to Davidson. His brother went
to Liberty. So the big advantage of if your your
parent was a good play because you've been taught the game.
A lot of legacy players now it's not taught. I
(29:05):
mean in recruiting, I try to search for him, Yeah,
because you know how they've grown up. Like I know
why I'm here. My dad was a great high school
coach and when the season was over, he was part
of the best organization in the Atlanta Braves for twenty years.
They won fourteen rings. Like those are the people I
walk home from school. Bobby Cox's in my house, you know,
so like I know the advantages I had growing up,
(29:27):
So it's a huge advantage when you can grow up
around that, because not only is Bronn he talks to
his dad. Who do you think his dad's friends are
other good players? Right? I mean, look who they're you know. Look,
so you're just you're so far advanced and you don't
even know it that by the time you're thirteen, how
much basketball you really know?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, you know, I for years and years I would
hear that, you know, if you grow up with money,
you won't have an edge. But I always felt basketball
has been a suburb sport for about fifteen years, and
that a lot of the good programs are well capitalized.
His programs, they're suburban schools with money.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Well, you know, we're in the era where money matters
now as well. But in high school. Look, high school
has changed so much. You know, there was an era
of you know out here, whether it was Fremont or Crenshaw,
you know, Compton Centennial, and now it's all private schools.
Same you know New York City, the Catholic League back then,
(30:23):
but even there were scholarship but the diocesis was so
big there there. But now they all go to prep schools.
You know, it's just the world of scholastic basketball. Has
really really changed.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, I'm going to ask you about Zach edy again.
So I'm I think sometimes we make a mistake, and
I'm guilty of this, that we forget these are young
people and everybody ages. It doesn't matter if it's actors.
You see it in comedy. There are late bloomers. Not
everybody is a John Stewart twenty. He's just clever. A
lot of these comedians hit at twenty eight to thirty.
(30:57):
And when I watched Zach Edie last year, I like,
then't move very well. I'm not sure he's a great
closer for his side. And then I started watching him
ended the Big Ten season, I'm like, God, he's a
way better player.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
And you've got a couple of those guys may Hawks. Yeah,
And it's what what is the click factor? Is it?
Because he was always big? What was the click factor?
And what do you think it is with him?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Well, big guys on a rule of thumb in basketball, okay,
and just life. You know, taller you are, it takes
you longer to be coordinated. Okay. Right, you know you
go watch you know Mick Cronin in seventh grade. I'm
the same size, right, you know, versus some other kid.
It's our arms and legs. It's just going to take
(31:41):
them time. It takes big guys longer for their coordination
to catch up to their size. And that's just and
that's been going on forever. So you know, Zach in
his case, I'm sure it's the same thing. It's just
taking time, it's taking hard work. Then in his case,
I think he said he worked, really worked on his
(32:02):
diet is conditioning. You know, Matt painters much more cut,
get much more Matt. Matt's a friend of mine. You know,
he wasn't going to get It's a great example, you
know for staying in school. You know, everybody now wants
to say, well this guy, everything's the microwave society, right,
you got to give people a chance to develop as
a player, that's right, you know, give him a chance.
I mean, you know, look what's happened. Now, he's going
(32:23):
to be a lottery pick maybe. I mean, I don't
know if you've looked. I mean, the boards have him
all the way up. I saw the one was at thirteen.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
May well I had him at seventeen.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Last time. There you go, well, well he was like
not drafted to fifty last year.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
No, I when I watched him, I thought he was slow,
and I didn't think for a size he was dominant
enough close. Now he's completely dominant up close.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Okay, look at Donovan Klingon, who's going to play tonight? Okay,
he could go probably going to go top five now. Right,
last year he came off the bench. They played at
Donald Snogo as a starter. So you got to get
but bigger guys your original question, Yeah, the longer, taller
you are. It's very rare that those kind of guys
are coordinated and polished as a younger player, very very rare.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, is you know the psychology of Zachi ed I
always you know, he was six ten in the eighth grade,
and I always had this feeling that some bigs were
a little socially awkward because they were bigger than their teachers,
and like Kareem was very shy. And you've you've seen,
like a guy that a lot of guards have had
big personalities, like they were the athlete, they were good looking,
(33:26):
the girls liked them, the guys and then you're seven
feet very rare, embiid huge personality. But it is interesting
when you recruit bigs, is it a different recruiting process
than a point guard.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Oh yeah, I think you're you're you named a few
shack Joe Embie's got you know, he's an alkoholing guy.
A lot of guys, I think it's easy to become
introverted because well, people just staring at you. I mean,
you know, imagine. I've been very fortunate to develop relationship
with Kareem Okay you being the coach at UCLA. I mean,
(34:02):
he's told me some things and shared with me some
things from his youth because I'm fascinated and I'm a
history guy. Now I know he's the best basketball player
I want to know about, you know, how it was
to be him? And it's just, you know what what
you go through with people just staring at you. How's
the you know, how's the weather up there? It's like
where you really did you come up with that? All
by yourself? I mean, can you imagine being that guy
that has to listen to that every time you get
(34:24):
in an elevator. So I think it causes some of
those kids to maybe go, uh, you know, become introspective
and quieter, which is not good for your basketball development,
for your athletic development. You need to be confident. You know,
you should. You can't have your shoulders slouch. So, you know,
I think again, as you get more comfortable with your
(34:44):
size and who you are as a person, and except
that you're just taller than everybody, and even though people
look at you because of that, do you become a
better player as you It translates.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I like what I hear Zach Edie and the mic
I like him. Oh yeah, he's got just enough attitude.
He's just enough of a smart alec that he's it's social.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
But who was he four years ago? You know? It
was really try you know, that's why you know, you know,
there's such a rush to try to a guy comes
into college, is he a pro or not? Well, hold on,
let everybody's not Lebron James. You know, let let a
guy develop. Let it. First of all, let a boy
become a man. Right when the boy becomes a man,
(35:26):
he's going to be a better player because he knows
not only does he know more about the game, he
knows more about rest, he knows more about what he
should be focusing on. But it's just you, you know, that's
the world we're in. With the microwave society.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
So John Calipari goes to Arkansas. It's obviously it's it's
a duke Carolina Kansas. You gotta win. You gotta win
pretty quickly. But you would inherit some good players. John
can recruit his butt off. What do you make of Uh?
Part of why I like SEC football is they're crazy.
(35:57):
Part of what makes Kentucky one of the top three jobs.
They're a little.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Nuts with Their fan base is second to none. Period.
Let's just you know, I grew up sixty miles from there. Tomorrow, Uh,
if they called me tomorrow be their coach. Yeah, I
turned left on sunset. Yeah. Yeah, we leave here. I'm
going to the Grand Havana Room in Beverly Hills with
your boss, Mark Silverman to watch the game tonight. That's
(36:22):
a good Yeah, I mean, you know, but seriously, it's
it's we talked about this last time. You know. The
jobs can be some of these jobs are the expectations
are so high, incredible that the magnitude of the job,
you can't feed the beast forever, you know, And when
you build the beast early and coach John did, he
(36:44):
had unbelievable success. And when you can't repeat that it's
it's really hard. It's just a hard existence. So my
you know, my guess would be that basically it was
just you know, time for change was his mind you know,
his mindset. I mean, I read something this morning, but
he's friends with the Tyson Chicken guy. I mean that's
(37:05):
all speculation. I mean, it's all speculation. But you do that.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Job is you have to give up chunks of your life.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
There you go, and that's pretty normal in our business.
That basically if you're going to be a college coach.
It's really hard for people outside of our business, for
former players or NBA guys, they can't understand it. Like
yesterday I had a zoom call, you know, an hour
and a half on a Sunday. Then I had one
of my players over because he's from Spain, and I
(37:33):
had to making birthday dinner because he's sitting there by
himself turning nineteen. Then I've already had a zoom call
before I drove here. You know, like it's just your
normal is the work all the time as a college
coats and everything else is secondary. That's just like so
those are the guys that tend to be successful in
our business. It's just your normal that your life is secondary.
(37:54):
But that job is really different than any other job.
It really is. I mean it's just is because of
the fan base and no pro sports.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
You get that Southern tribal passion. It was the last
region to get pro sports. Yeah, so college they don't
have it. College is bigger than pro.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Well, there is no pro in Kentucky. There are no
pro sports in the state of Kentucky now unless you
want to count the Red's Triple A team in Louisville.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, so's it's the show and has been.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
That's the other thing about Trude, you know, college about tradition.
It has been the only other basketball team in that
state that's ever played besides Kentucky or Louisville as the
Kentucky Colonels of the ABA.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
That was artist Gilmour or something like that. There was
Dan Isselt.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Yeah, I mean I was young man, I'm old. You're
not that much older than me. Great scene again, always
a pleasure. I appreciate you having.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Make Silverman pick it up. It's got a big budget.
You're buying tonight, endless stream of revenue at Fox. Everybody
knows that
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