June 14, 2024 • 48 mins
Jason McIntyre fills in for Colin reacting to the Jaguars signing QB Trevor Lawrence to a massive contract extension and why this makes perfect sense. He defends Caitlin Clark from constant criticism and getting pulled into political debates. Plus, NBA reporter Ric Bucher joins the show in studio to preview a potential closeout game 4 of the NBA Finals
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Welcome to the Herd, Ladies and gentlemen. It's a beautiful
Friday out here in Los Angeles. It's me Jason McIntyre
in for vacation in Colin Coward. Nobody takes as much
vacation as Colin Coward does. I'm joined today by Alex Curry.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Alex, great to see you, Great to see Colin deserves it,
though you can't give him that much slack you told
me last time we did this.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
We're like, man, I'm.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Exhausted after three hours.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
How do you do there?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Hours? That guy take some time. He is a machine.
I don't know how he doesn't. Colin cowherd one and only,
but Alex, last time you were here your birthday. I'm
sure that celebration is great. What do you got this weekend,
you're celebrating anything special Fathersday?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Come on, your dad, you should know about right.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Thanks for reminding me.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Yeah, one of my sisters just had her first baby,
so we'll be celebrating not only like my dad's Father's Day,
my husband's dad's Father's Day and then a.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
New father and the family. Yeah, it's a also of
great really Father's Day to you. Thank you very much,
I am my dad. Uh huh. Great sports weekend, lots
of awesome night. Yeah tonight. Well, okay, we'll get to
that in a bit.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
You're not feeling too We're.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Gonna start with the big news, obviously, the huge news
in the NFL. Trevor Lawrence, the awesome quarterback. Can I
call him?
Speaker 6 (01:38):
Underrated?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Underrated quarterback of the Jacksonville Jaguars. He's signed a massive
new deal. I see, five years, two hundred and seventy
five million dollars. The numbers are staggering. Two hundred million guaranteed.
For signing the contract, he got thirty seven and a
half million dollars, so we know Trevor Lawrence will spend
the weekend just swimming in bathtubs full of money. It's
awesome to be Trevor Lawrence, right, and you guys know
(02:01):
how this goes half the audience out there. Oh, they
overpaid Trevor Lawrence, Jay Mack, Come on, this guy hasn't
done anything. Three years in the league. He has one
playoff win. He's got the most turnovers of any quarterback
in the league since he was drafted. And I was
texting with one of the producers last night about one
of my big issues right now around the NFL is
(02:23):
how we talk about quarterbacks. And you know, we're in
an engagement economy. People, that's what we are right now.
You need to stay engaged. I need you watching ten
minutes of every chunk and online everybody. You got to
put out instagrammables, shareable content that can keep you scrolling.
And one of the most popular things to do now
is these blind quarterback resumes. Yes we do them on
(02:44):
the show. Yes, I hate them. I'm allowed to where
we cherry pick stats to fit our narrative. And folks,
there's one out there that is a whopper. Jay have
you seen the one on Trevor Lawrence versus Daniel Jones.
It's crazy, they're like the same guy, and I just
I feel like it's lowest common denominator. Nonsense. We do
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this a lot online and now the smart people can
see through it and see, oh WHOA Pro Football Focus
shows that, damn, Trevor Lawrence is already one of the
best deep ball passers in the NFL over the last
three years. Well that's why they got him, Christian Kirk.
They looked at the analytics and said, oh, well, Trevor
Lawrence can chuck it deep. He's got great deep ball accuracy,
great window placement. Yeah, he's had turnovers. You know what happens.
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Peyton Manning struggled early in his career, John Elway, go
look up his numbers, early quarterback struggle. It's a young
kid in his first three years. And truthfully, if you
want to toss out his rookie year or Urban Meyer
was a disaster and gone before Christmas, well that's okay,
I'll understand that. And then you dig in deeper into
the numbers, and nobody wants to dig in. Right, We're
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in like a bit of a lazy time here in
America for sports fans. Just give me the obvious numbers.
Nobody wants to dig deep, drill down, spend a few
minutes to like get smarter, because, oh, would you look
at that Trevor Lawrence in year two, midway through the season,
something clicked and he finishes on a hot street. Five
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straight wins, They get to the playoffs, they win a game,
the great comeback against the Chargers that they lose to
the Chiefs. No harm in that. Okay, what happened in
year three? Trevor Lawrence comes out of the gate on
fire eight and three to start the season. So look
at that end of year two, first half of year three,
and look at this sample size. Ladies and gentlemen, thirteen
and three record awesome numbers. Now, I know the touchdown passes,
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you'd like to see them higher. Some of that is, hey,
you take what the defense gives you. He's got a
good running back in Travis Etn. But that is a
full year sample of Trevor Lawrence. I know the three
year body of work is not great. And I know
there's people yelling at the TV and radio right now, Jay, Hey, hey,
I'd take CJ. Stroud over Trevor Lawrence. Okay, so you
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have one good year of CJ. Stroud. Yes, he was phenomenal,
outstanding rookie year. Hit the ground running. Looks like he's
got a new offensive coordinator who was outstanding last year.
Head coach, everything was great Jay Jordan Love. Yes, an
eight game sample size of Jordan Love was outstanding.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Very.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Praiseworthy stuff from Jordan Love. And you guys want to
act like, oh, well, I'd take those guys over Trevor Lawrence. Folks.
Trevor Lawrence has shown us over a longer period of
time when he was dominant in college, when he was
very good for a good year, and then he had
the high ankle spraining on Monday Night football last year
against the Niners. I think he had a concussion, and
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the numbers went off a cliff and the team fell
out of contention. The wheels came off, Folks, the Jags
did this smart thing here early. I know we're going
to show the graphic here of who what quarterbacks are
making an average amount per year, And now Trevor Lawrence
is tied with Joe Burrow at fifty five million a year,
And yes, does that look quote unquote bad. Sure, but
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this is where the numbers are a little fuzzy. Lawrence's
new deal doesn't kick in until twenty twenty six, so
he's not made fifty five million this year. He's not
making fifty five million next year. I opened our morning
meeting this morning with, well, this is great. They signed
him early. The money doesn't kick in till twenty twenty six.
The Jag super Bowl window it's still there, wide open,
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and the great producer Ryan Music looks at me and laughs.
Now he's a big Burrow guy. He's laughing at me.
Super Bowl window, come up? Can I get to the
second round of the playoffs? And I get that, but
the deal that they have for Lawrence doesn't kick in
for two more years. They do have a runway here,
and I know the division got better where the Jacksonville
Jaguars with Trevor Lawrence should be in contention in a tough,
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rugged AFC. I love everything about this deal. I think Lawrence.
I don't know if he's gonna live up to number
one billing and win multiple super Bowls, but he's a
damn good quarterback and the Jags did a darn good thing.
Now I'm gonna turn my attention to a topic that
you guys are probably gonna hate. I have in my
notes here this morning, as I was in the dressing room,
the next story is a doozy and you guys aren't
(06:57):
gonna like this, but it's about Caitlin Clark and some
thing that happened yesterday. And know it does not involve
Caitlin Clark's Indiana Fever winning against whoever they played. I
honestly don't know the opponent. She did not have a
great game. She had like seven points, seven turnovers. Doesn't matter.
Fever won. They're on track, maybe get in the playoffs.
But anytime Caitlin Clark does not have a great game,
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it gives fodder for the internet dopes to say, oh,
she's not Olympic worthy. She had seven points, Like, just stop.
But what the real interesting story with Caitlin Clark is
is what happened before the game. So she met with
the media, okay, and the media has now expanded from
let's not talk about chartered flights and promotion for the
(07:38):
league and Indiana Fever. We've kind of been through that,
let's not talk about the Olympics. And a reporter tried
to pin Caitlin Clark down on a difficult question of
the culture wars currently happening online. Yeah, we're going there.
So Caitlin Clark was asked about people using her name
to promote agendas, and here's what she said.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
God said, like basketball is my job.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Like everything on the outside, I can't control that, So
I'm not going to spend time thinking about that, you know,
Kay up and talk about what they want to talk about.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
I'm seeing conversations about, you know, whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
But I think for myself, like, you know, I'm just
here to play basketball.
Speaker 7 (08:17):
I'm here to have fun.
Speaker 8 (08:18):
I'm trying to help our team line.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Oh yeah, it's a tough one for Kaitlin Clark. Now,
she was asked about it again later and she had
an answer, but she wasn't thrilled with how people are
using her name. And listen, I think Caitlin Clark's handling
this great. Okay, we're talking about a twenty two year
old rookie. Hey, Caitlin Clark, thanks forgetting us the charter
flights that's out, Sandy. Thanks for selling out Arena's coast
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to coast and shining a huge spotlight on this league.
Thanks for promoting women's basketball. And oh, by the way,
thanks for dealing with a target on your back every night.
You come out great. We know you're struggling to, you know,
solve defenses in the WNBA that are all geared to
stop you. But do you think you could solve racism
in America? Because that's what it feels like. They're asking
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Caitlin Clark, Hey, can you solve these culture wars? They're
gross and disgusting. And I would say, largely on this show,
we have not waded into that. We're kind of mostly
focusing on Caitlin Clark at some of the basketball aspects
and uh, you know, the awesome stuff she's done for
the league, and yeah, we'll talk about the cheap shots
and the fouls and the threes, but we're not wading
(09:22):
into this culture war stuff. And there's just really no win. Okay,
surely you guys remember Michael Jordan. He was asked about
it once. He once his star Rose and he was
winning chips. They're asking Michael Jordan about his political Hey,
are you gonna stump for this candidate in North Carolina?
You know where you're from. And of course Michael Jordan
allegedly uttered the great line Republicans by sneakers too, But
(09:44):
he was not a twenty two year old rookie. Okay,
Tiger Woods, you guys, remember when Tiger Woods was ascending.
Oh yeah, one side starts propping up Tiger Woods. The
other side hates Tiger Woods because that's that's what we've done.
Now in America, you either are with us or you're
against us. There's no in the middle. I'm in the middle.
I don't I don't really care. I don't want to
be on your side or your side. I'll be on
my side. I'll be fine. But Tiger didn't take the bait.
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Tom Brady, if you guys famously remember once he's got
the Dynasty rolling and they see a certain red hat
in his locker. Tom, what's going on here? Brady was like,
kind of damn it, I screwed up? How'd I get in?
And he navigated the waters definitely stayed right down the middle. Okay,
and Patrick Mahomes this off season had his dopey kicker
(10:28):
make all these comments at a commencement address, and you know,
everybody's like, Pat, Pat, you got.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
A way in.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
We need your take. Pat, where are you are you
gonna defend us? You know Taylor Swift's on our side. Pat,
are you gonna come to the Patrick Mahomes is like,
I don't talk to that guy off season comes, I
don't talk to him. That was basically it. Patrick Mahomes
avoided it. So you're telling me these veterans, these guys
in their late twenties, whether it was Jordan Tiger Brady,
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I think Brady was in his thirties when it happened
that and Mahomes in his late twenties. They're avoiding the topic.
But we now expect Caitlin Clark to weigh in and
save and solve racism in America and misogyny and all
that other stuff. You think a twenty two year old
rookie Caitlin Clark's out here to hoop. She's trying to
get better. She's trying to solve the defenses that are
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all bottling her up and have one focus. I think
it was one of the stars in the league. Kelsey
Plumb was like, listen, we're playing Katelin Crunk. We just
want to chop the head off, and everything else is fine.
Everyone's geared to stop Caitlin Clark. She's trying to worry
about hoops and now she's getting asked about being propped
up in disgusting online culture wars. Are you kidding me?
I should chide the reporter and call them out for
(11:35):
even going year. But that's where we are now, right.
The Olympics is yesterday's news. I had a great Olympic
take I used on my podcast this week. I was
gonna rejiggerate and kind of fire this week. And now
we're on from the Olympics to now culture battles which
have been fought by a lot of male athletes. And
I don't know, guys, I was going through looking for
a female athlete who had to deal with this so
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early in her career, and I can't find. This is
uncharted territory, which is I guess how Kitlin Clark likes it.
But I do applaud her answer and listen, she doesn't
need my advice. I mean, she's got sneaker deals, She's
got a lot going on. I would say stay in
that middle. That's where the smart people are. You guys
have heard the great saying. Listen. If your thoughts and
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political insights all align with your neighbors, you're not a
clear thinker. If they all align with all of your friends,
you don't disagree with anything, you're not a clear thinker.
You need to be an independent thinker and I think
I believe Kitlin Clark is probably in that group where
she's not going to get sucked into this nonsense. And
I don't know, Alex. I'm a little worried for Kaitlin Clark.
(12:40):
She ads, it's a big burden to bear for a
twenty two year old rookie, But.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Can we just acknowledge how well she has handled the
weight of the world in every possibility. I mean, she
went straight from March madness, right into the WNBA draft,
right into the WNBA to then dealing with this criticism
that I don't think anybody could have anticipated. We knew
(13:06):
that she was going to alter and change the game
for women's basketball, and we've seen that as we have.
We are talking about her every single day.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Every week.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
It's a new topic of Caitlyn Clark in what she
has not only done for the game, or what she
hasn't done, or what she's getting taken taken away. But
as you mentioned, she's twenty two years old and a rookie.
She hasn't even had a moment to breathe, from college
to the pros to just getting hounded with everything, and
as you've heard her say, she's handling it with so
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much grace that I'm just here to play.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I respect all the other players in this league.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Everybody in this league, no matter how you look, no
matter what you do, deserves the same amount of respect.
And that's the route she's taking, and that's the route
she should stick to unless something significant happens where you
need to take a stand on it. For Caitlyn Clark,
but with everything she has been through just in these
couple of months, it's you have to applaud how while
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she's handled it.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And I know some people are gonna hit me up.
I will not be looking at my phone during the broadcast.
I gotta be locked in, folks. But a lot of people, Jason,
when Kevin Durant said he just wanted to hoop Jay, Hey,
you were like, he's not a leader. Well no, no, no, no,
that's different. Caitlin Clark is a leader of her team.
Kevin duri didn't want to be leader. Absconded. Sorry KD
to come after you again. Anyways, coming up next, everyone
(14:23):
has been freaking out about Aaron Rodgers's unexcused absence from
my jets. I kind of need to take a deep breath.
We're going to dive into that next year on The Herd.
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Speaker 3 (14:41):
App Back here on the Herd. I feel like every
time I'm in for Colin Cowherd, the New York Jets
pop up.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Folks.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
It's not by design. The staff knows I'm a big
Jets guy and I'm kind of passionate for the team.
I just I just can't even with Aaron Rodgers anymore.
You know, have you ever had a name who was
just a business and you just can't deal with him
to the point where if you walk out your door
to like pick up the garbage and that guy walks
out to pick up his garbage, or just wait another like,
(15:10):
you know, two minutes scroll on your phone just to
avoid the guy. And I feel like that's happening with
Aaron Rodgers and the Jets and me right now. I'm
just I'm at the point. I'm at my breaking point. Honestly.
Everywhere I go. I got a buddy who lives up
the street and he's a Packers fan. He's like, how's
your boy? Aaron Rodgers doing, you know, pointing and laughing.
And you guys know, I used to work at a
celebrity magazine where it was one of these glossies and
(15:33):
we would get all this news. It was a great job,
you know, yeah, get interview. I got to like interview
Jessica Awl. But it was a great job. But PR
one oh one was a massive thing at this job.
Anytime they knew there was trouble ahead, they would they
would find a second story to kind of change the
narrative quickly. We're seeing Elon Musk, this is happening with
him right now. He's in court all week, and then
all of a sudden, Hey, guess what your like's are
(15:55):
private now on Twitter or ex or whatever they call it.
It's like you just want to change the narrative. Well,
the Jets bungled botched this Aaron Rodgers disaster this week
so badly, and I think a lot of it, unfortunately
falls on Robert Salah who comes out and calls it
like an unexcused absence. What he could have said like
seventy four other things to describe why Rogers isn't there
(16:16):
this week. So obviously, you know we have the sound,
we're going to start here. Back in January, Aaron Rodgers
wanted to keep it football, just the football, and here
he is back in January calling out the organization.
Speaker 9 (16:29):
Everything that we do.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Has to have a purpose too.
Speaker 9 (16:33):
When you step in the building, there's intentionality with everything
that you do. And it's not a half the time thing.
It's not a sometimes thing, it's not most of the
time thing. It's an every time thing. If you want
to be a winning organization, then to put you some
position to win championships and be competitive, everything that you
do matters, and that has nothing to do with winning
needs to get out of the building.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Okay, So Aaron Rodgers has been around all off season.
He's been at every thing. You know, he hasn't missed anything,
and now here we go. Mini can't mandatory. Rogers is
a no show because he has something that is still
not out there. I joked that maybe it was another
Darkness retreat all the Rogers fans online. No, he said
he's not doing that again. So maybe he's at some
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political event. I don't I don't know where he is.
I find heart believe cow Hurt said he's vacationing somewhere.
Who knows Robert Salah at the podium this week sounded awful.
Explaining Rogers's absence, Tyra said.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
He had only found out that morning. Is there any
reason why I was the communicated to him before or.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
No, It's it's a one on one conversation. That's not
something the team needed to know about. Aaron and I
are on the exact same page. There's no issue between
Aaron or his teammates for that matter. So, like I said,
we addressed it yesterday. It's not it's it's more of
an issue for everyone outside the building than it is inside.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Not a problem. I mean Todd Rod Taylor of the
backup just showed up and was like, hey, you're starting today, Bro,
Aaron's out. Okay, sure, I'll take first team reps. But
this just goes into the dysfunction of the franchise. I mean, folks,
you guys know I was born in New York. I'm
a Jets fan. I lived through the lean years, one win,
a quarterback shuffle, the Sam Darnold train wreck, Seeing Ghosts,
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Adam Gaze. I could go on down the list. It's
been ugly, longest play longest drought without a playoff appearance.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
My Jets.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I don't know where this ends. I don't Maybe Aaron
Rodgers shows up and it's koumbai a no big deal.
But here's the thing, Sala said, no teammates have issues. Well,
Sauce Gardner, the best player on the defense, or Quinnen Williams, whatever.
Sauce Gardner came out and he's angry, and he put
out a tweet or an X or whatever it's called.
You know, are you guys really making a big deal
out of this because he missed two days of practice?
(18:55):
We Sauce my guy. I'm a Sauce Gardner fan. You know,
I know. I said you could maybe trade him for
a poo poo platter of massive picks. I digress Sauce.
Aaron Rodgers has said let's keep it football in the building,
And now when it's football time, Aaron's not in the building.
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I don't know how you can chalk this up as nothing.
It's gotta be something, even if it's a couple day brushfire.
It's the latest in a string of pr disasters for
Robert Sala and the Jets, and I'm hopeful that Rogers
shows up. It's kombaiya. The schedule is easy. The offensive
line holds up and next thing you know, it's twelve
and five and the Jets are in the playoffs winning
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the division that is in play, and I will be
betting the Jets to win the division. You can scoff
if you want the division's theirs, assuming Rogers can stay
healthy and upright and you know, locked in on football.
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Speaker 3 (20:57):
Listen. Man, Yeah, I came on here and picked the MAVs.
It wasn't a confident pick. I said I'd be careful
betting on the MAVs. I had the MAVs earlier in
the playoffs. I didn't love them in the finals. But
what Boston has done putting Dallas in a body bag
is I think gonna kind of shape the NBA going
forward for the next couple of years, similarly to how
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the twenty fifteen Warriors totally changed the game. And remember,
people hate change. People are so dismissive of it when
those twenty fifteen Warriors hit the scene. The Splash Brothers.
They had a couple first round, flame out second round
I think as well, and then they just tore through everybody.
And I will never forget. This is what my disdain
(21:38):
for Barclay, sorry, Chuck and Shack and that inside the
NBA show started. I know everybody loves it, it's a
fine show, but in twenty fifteen, in those playoffs, they
were like, oh, these jump shooting, soft kids, they're not
all that, They're nothing special. They can't handle and Memphis
went up to one, and then of course the Warriors
just wipe them off the map in a heartbeat. There's
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so much disdain for that Warriors team. I felt similarly
that's what we've been seeing with these Golden With these
Boston Celtics, people just aren't really respecting what they've done.
And I know people don't want to hear it. I'm sorry,
Larry Bird. Celtics in the eighties never did what these
Boston Celtics are doing. I mean they're dominating in the
(22:21):
postseason now, fifteen and two, this is an incredible run.
The regular season numbers, people forget they won the East
by fourteen games. Fourteen I know, I know there were
injuries and Yannis and the Dame was new and the
Sixers imploded because Embiid got hurt. Like, sure, we can
make all these excuses, we can go on down the list. Hey,
(22:42):
you know who else they made excuses for the twenty
fifteen Warriors in the finals against the Caves, Kevin Love
was out busted shoulder, and Kyrie got hurt in Game one,
So it was basically the Warriors against Lebron and a
bunch of dudes, and the Warriors win the series. But
it was like, wow, well they beat a bunch of
beat up cabs Cabs team, and I just I look
at the Celtics. I'm like, okay, sure, Donovan Mitchell was out, Yeah,
(23:05):
and Hi May Howkas and Jimmy Butler and miss the
Miami's hears and Haliburton Missic. I get it.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
It's fine.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Dallas is healthy. Dallas just took down Minnesota pretty easily. Well,
I was just hearing ten days ago was a stan
Van Gundy tho, just the best backcourt in NBA history.
They can't get to a hundred points in the finals
against the Celtics. These Boston Celtics are built different. And
when I say that I got a shot chart for
you from Game three in the Finals, that's just staggering.
(23:33):
This is the new NBA, folks, analytics of one. I
don't care what you think about numbers. You hate them.
The analytics are overrated. The analytics have won. Look at
Boston in Game three. Look at this six mid range shots.
The mid range shot officially dead. Boston and Joe Mizzoula
have said we're gonna do it our way. We're gonna
shoot threes and suffit the rim only in the paate
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or threes, and it works. Dallas can't stop it, and
Dallas at the other end of the court cannot handle this.
Boston defense very switchable. I know you guys are resistant
to change. And the analytics have tuned people out, and
you got all these Jabbroni's online. I can't watch the
NBA so many threes. The numbers don't lie. Boston is
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on the verge of a sweep. The only two games
they blew in the playoffs, one of them against Miami.
Miami had an unbelievable like they made like twenty four
to three pointers and the other one similar situation Cleveland
just got unbelievably hot from deep. Other than that, Boston
has steamrolled the East. I'm talking steamrolled, and they're steamrolling
the MAVs and the great Luca Dnca, who, for my money,
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best player in the league. I know our next guest
here in a second is gonna probably laugh at that,
and that's fine. I get it. Lucas had a rough series.
He's got to do some maturing. But the way these
Celtics are built is pretty impressive. And I will I'll
close with this, uh coward spent a lot of time
this season. It's the European takeover. International old guys run
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the NBA at the top. They they've had a good run,
Giannis Jokic, Luca. You look at the Celtics starting lineup,
four Americans and Al Horford and then coming off the
bench Porzingis, who's been hurt for much of this run.
Let's not declare the American way of basketball dead just yet.
And with that, I want to welcome in Fox Sports
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NBA analyst Eric bucher Rick's got a big smile on
his face, very excited to just we have some good
back and forth. During the pandemic. We had some we
did some videos for Fox Sports.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Yes we did.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Did what viral arguing Damian Lillard. So Rick and I
love some sparring, but I don't know Game four tonight
do the Mavericks steel one? Do you even care? Or
are you onto the offseasons?
Speaker 7 (25:48):
I care because for some of the reasons that you've stated,
like where do we put this Boston Celtics team and
a sweep in the finals. When was the last time
a Western Conference team was swept? I want to say
it was Detroit. I mean, we're going back, We're going
back prior to win. I've never covered in NBA finals
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where a Western Conference team was swept.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
It's a great point.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
So again, but what does that mean?
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Does that automatically anoint a team as being an all
time great as you are suggesting, and and I can't
go there. Look, have we underestimated the Boston Celtics? Have
we not given them?
Speaker 6 (26:27):
They're just due? I would say that that is fair.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
But I'm not going to look at the regular season
record or the margin of victory, or the net rating
or any of those things and say this is an
all time great team.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
I would not be surprised if this is the.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
One and only championship this group wins because I think
that they are I think they're a really good team.
I think they are a very well built team. But
I also believe that they are taking advantage of a
league that is in transition. That we've got the old
guard of Steph Curry and Lebron James and some of
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the established great teams and players on their way out,
and now we are looking for who's going to be
the next great team. And we thought Denver was going
to be dynastic. And I'm not discounting that Denver could
get back into the mix and win another one. But
I think what we have right now is we're going
to test the popularity of the NBA when there is parody,
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because I believe that right now we have five, six,
seven teams that could make a case that they are
title contenders going into next season.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
So let me drill down a little on the Celtics
greatness And is it because the numbers say they're great
and historically right, the eye test says something sort of otherwise.
So is it more of an eye test not believing
or is there something else?
Speaker 6 (27:53):
I would say that there's a combination.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Number One, the Eastern Conference was not a good conference
this year. You had two teams that were outright tanking, right,
I mean, the two worst teams in the league. And
if you look at the difference between top teams, the
Western Conference was loaded in terms of having more teams
with winning records, more teams with fifty that won fifty.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Games across the board.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
So Boston was the best team in the Eastern Conference.
That's inflated the numbers. But I still look at the
way they're composed, like as of right now, if they
don't have Drew Holliday, right, if they don't have Christaps
porzingis even for the just the two games, I'm not
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sure we're here looking at a potential sweep. So do
they have that nucleus? Do they have that championship caliber nucleus.
I'm sure there's some people out there that are immediately
to go, well, Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum deserve to
be in the category of the Kobe's and the Shacks,
and no.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Really people going there.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Well, I would not be surprised if there's a sweep.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
There's good.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
Of course the people are gonna go there. Of course
they're going to go there.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
There and to me, it's like Drew Holliday and and
they they've been. They remind me of the two thousand
and four Detroit Pistons when they beat the Great Lakers
team in terms of they had a collection of really,
really good players whose pieces all fit, and they were
willing to share the load and defensively.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
They were great in a multitude of ways.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Who would I don't even was Rip Hamilton on that team?
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Hamilton was on that team.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
Kayshawn Prince was on that team, Bill Rashid Wallace, Ben Wallace,
and Chauncey Billups.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Chauncey Billups was better than anybody on that team. I mean,
Tatum's a three time first team All NBA guy.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Ah, okay, but how much? How much better? My point is?
Speaker 7 (29:46):
The point is, My point is that they were It
was the sum of their parts that made them great. Like,
is Jason Tatum an all time great player? Do you
put me in that category? Were still debating whether he's
the best player on the.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Team twenty seven, twenty eight, that he's not gonna he's.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
Gonna have a phenomenal Careerah, is he gonna win multiple champs?
Speaker 6 (30:07):
He might not even be finals MVP.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
He will. I think he's probably Brown, right.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Now, the odds are that Brown the Brown's gonna be MVP.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
This fits the narrative of the twenty fifteen Warriors. See,
I know, you know what, I'm so glad you brought
that up, because you don't one finals of that. That
was Andrea Gudal. That was Andre his defense on Lebron.
It was and defense. Lebron still went.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Off and the one the one thing that look and
I live in the Bay Area, so I've had to
live with this. If they don't get Kevin Durant, they're
not a dynasty. They don't get Kevin Durant. They don't
win back to back championships and three out of in
four years, they don't do all that they did. So
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if you're comparing the Boston Celtics to that twenty fifteen
Golden State Warriors team, are they going to become dynastic
without a the insertion of a Kevin Durant type player?
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Can they?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
As is?
Speaker 7 (31:05):
And and keep in mind that the way the NBA
salary cap is now structured, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
It is so punitive.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
I mean, it's it's almost impossible unless you just you
want to give away your money. It's impossible to keep
a great team together. It's so like the amount of
tax that you pay just keeping it together is extraordinary.
And the Boston Celtics, if they want to keep this
group together.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Well they do that. They have one more year for sure,
and then Tatum's salary skyrockets. Yes, Drew Holliday's kind of
getting in his mid thirty but he's essentially like Draymond
green Ish without the noise and cheap shots and punches
and all that, right, I mean he guard anybody he's been.
Speaker 7 (31:50):
Drew Holliday has been indispensable. I mean, he's not gonna
win MVP, but man, if you had a most indispensable
player what Drew Holliday has done. Because I look Game three,
Drew Holliday's not there to calm the waters, to say, hey,
don't worry.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
We're down by one. I got Kyrie Irving.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
I'll go and get Derek White and open three like
we're we're going to be okay. Right, If you don't
have that, I'm not sure we're looking at a three
to zero series.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I would largely agree. One more thing on the side
of the stoves, did you hear that I agree, We
do agree. We agree.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Sometimes often doesn't that agree?
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Sometimes write it down, remember.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Exactly, here's my thing. So we're watching a Celtics team
that's switchable on the perimeter. Defensively, they're not doubling. Luca
Yuka keeps driving into the lane and he's like, shucks,
I can't get over this length.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
PJ.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Washington is not opening. They don't really have much. How
many teams around the league are gonna look at the
way the Celtics are built similarly to those Warriors and
be like, we need three point shooting, we need wings.
Remember when the Warriors will go to the death line
up with Draymond at the five and it was like
oh my, and then they you know, it was like
jump to light speed with Kevin de I just wonder
like the guy I look at I kept talking about
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carl Anton Towns, Timberwolves move off him. I almost feel
he's a Horford Porzingis type at the five, and a
guy like Rudy Gobert has less value and you saw
his less value against the Mass. Do teams start to
shape in the way Boston has. We want to play
five out, Derek Lively, you were nice, it didn't really
work in the series.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
Yeah, there is something to that, for sure, and I
think teams have been trying to do that. It's just
Boston has perfected the art of what they've put together,
and they've done it at a time where all these
guys are in age where you can kind of grow
from it.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
So yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Having five attacking players on the floor, Iman, Honestly, it
is what the Warriors death lineup was. Multiple playmakers, multiple
dribble drivers, multiple shooters. The Boston Celtics have just have
a new iteration that. So yeah, but but everybody's looking. Look,
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the Dallas Mavericks are looking for more three and D
quality wing defenders and a stretch four in the in
the guise of christophs porzingis Yeah, that's it's what you
have to have, and it's the one thing that they
don't have.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Maxi Kleieber looks terrified to be on the stage.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Yeah, and linked look, you, this is.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
What happens in the finals.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
It goes to your role players, like your your stars
basically ex each other out, and then it goes down
to the five, six, seven spots in your rotation and
who's going to win those battles. Who's going to make
a contribution. Yeah, and the Boston Celtics guys have done that.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
All right, let's move to the Lakers. I think we're
contractually obligated to talk Lakers every single time you're on
the show. So Dan Hurley was on with Cowherd yesterday.
Here's what he had to say about the Lakers coaching
surgeon his interview.
Speaker 12 (34:55):
We had some text messages and you know, he you know,
incredible uh you know, message from him over the course
of the weekend just just uh, you know, talking about
talking about basketball and and and some different things and
and letting me know you know that uh, you know
that that if he was there in LA, then I'd
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have his support and uh just like think about that
man like that.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
That blew my mind.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I'm a little distracted by the Batman thing on his desk. Anyway.
So Lebron was texting with Danny Hurley over the weekend
and dropped to if I'm with the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Yeah, No, I'm not buying. I'm not buying.
Speaker 7 (35:37):
I'm not buying into that. I've never bought into the
idea that he's leaving LA. I do think he will
continue and He's very good at this, maintaining his leverage
by making you guess, by making you wonder and look,
if the Lakers don't find a way to acquire Bronnie James,
then yeah, I then then that.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Opens the door.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
But I have no reason that Bronny's already working out
at the Lakers facility.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
You saw that, Yeah, what what are we?
Speaker 5 (36:02):
And and it was it was the Lakers are intrigued
by his athleticism, the workout come on what I like,
what are we trying to do? What are we really
trying to do? Are we trying to pretend that this
is like this is not about.
Speaker 7 (36:15):
Lebron wants to play with his son and we want
the Lakers want Lebron to stay in a Lakers uniform.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
Question, so if we're going to acquire Browny one way
or the other?
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Like what what what is this this idea that like they.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
They're scouting him and like we got to determine whether
we want him or not? Just can we stop the foolishness?
Speaker 7 (36:33):
So it is so, but I know, but we as media,
when we try to do that with a straight face,
we make ourselves look like jackasses, Like what are we doing?
Speaker 6 (36:42):
What are we doing. What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Do you have to you want to call anyone out?
Go ahead, let's people.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
Anybody who hit dog hollers.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
Anybody who may respond to that knows that they're the
ones that I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
In reality, though, there is a city where I don't know,
Utah Jazz Boss is it?
Speaker 6 (37:03):
Whoever?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
In the second round, like we're just gonna grab Ronnie
James and and mess with the Lakers. Lakers are kind
of powerless unless they take them at seventeen, which would
be foolish. They already blew their first round pick last year.
Who did nothing? I mean the guy they drafted after him,
ha may hawk Is I think came right after who
Chafino had like a really good season with Miami. Rotational guy,
so you liked. The Lakers are backed into drafting Bronni.
Speaker 7 (37:26):
I don't know if they draft him or they just
signed him as an as as a free agent, Like
he doesn't get drafted. I don't know how much it
means to Bronni or Lebron that he gets drafted. He's
not gonna get drafted in the first round. No, they
would be a second round pick and and second round
pick now in the NBA draft is second day. I
think there's almost more cachet if you were an undrafted
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player and they sign you and then they can sign
you to whatever they want.
Speaker 6 (37:52):
They're not they're not restrained by the salary cap rules.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
So I I it.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
But all of this this is really dependent on like
what is Lebron and Bronnie want? How what what do
they want this to look like?
Speaker 3 (38:06):
And that's really the only question that we have we
have left here, and well, wait, we don't have the
coach solved. Formality. Reddick is the guy that Redick gonna
automatically get.
Speaker 7 (38:17):
It feels like he is by default this is well,
this is what this is, this is how this is unfolded.
So they were trying to put together Reddick was at
was their target, and but they wanted.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
To put together a staff that would work with him.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
As it was been described to me, they like the
way that JJ thinks that he's an out of the
box thinker, and obviously his relationship with Lebron, But for
the same reason, they're not sure that that's gonna.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Work as the head coach of the Lakers with this roster.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
So they want some guys on the bench that have
done this before, that can kind of help him with
the the basics of being a head coach. An NBA
head coach, they couldn't get those From what I understand,
they were having difficulty signing, of finding those guys or
getting those guys to agree to come in, like a
James Barrego come in and be an assistant coach for
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j Jos. He's like yeah, He's like, I'm not. And
especially for the way that the Lakers pay their assistance,
which is not a whole lot, it wasn't very attractive.
So they were talking to a certain reporter who's very
close to the Hurleyes asking are we missing anybody? Are like,
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is there somebody that were not thinking of? And they
were told, well, you know, Dan Hurley hasn't signed his
deal with Yukon And they were like, we didn't even
know he was available, We didn't even think.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
He was that was possible.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
Do you think he would consider Well, I'll find out.
Speaker 7 (39:52):
So that was the connection that was made, and Hurley's
looking at it thinking, well, okay, if you give me
a generational type deal, if I'm gonna got you. The
Lakers are capable, an NBA team is capable of paying
me far more than Yukon's limited.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
I mean Yukon, if.
Speaker 7 (40:11):
They're they're not gonna get the deal that's on the
table the six years forty eight.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
He's gonna go above that.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
They're gonna find that he's gonna end up getting more
as a result, he's gonna get paid like Bill self,
he's gonna get ten a year. But that's really that's
almost beyond the resources of Yukon to do that. They're
doing it because now now they have held to right
the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (40:31):
This is my issue.
Speaker 7 (40:32):
I'm not convinced that Dan Hurley would have worked in
the NBA. Look you watch Tate. None of their players
dribble the ball more than three times. Nobody stands for
more than a second or two. I don't know how
you get enough NBA players to run his system. And
it's in the NBA. As a head coach, you don't
come in.
Speaker 6 (40:51):
With a system.
Speaker 7 (40:52):
You look at your personnel and go what system do
I run to fit this right? Maybe Dan can do it,
but he's never had to, so I don't know if
he can. And then there's the like how he treats
referee like there's a lot of adjustments to be made there.
But if you're the Lakers and you decide Dan Hurley
is the guy that we want, then you make a
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deal that he can't refuse.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
So he should have gone to like seventy five mil,
a hundred mil.
Speaker 7 (41:18):
Yes, whatever it takes, but seventy million. He's gonna get
sixty million from Yukon. Why I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm
gonna move across the country. I'm gonna upset my wife,
who doesn't want to leave the East Coast. I'm gonna
have to put up with all of the cooks in
the kitchen with the Lakers. I'm probably not gonna win.
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Like I'm gonna put up with all of these things
for an extra ten million.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Now.
Speaker 7 (41:44):
You give me a hundred million, you give me a
hundred million, I can't refuse that.
Speaker 6 (41:48):
I have to take. Well, that's my point.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
So if you believe that Dan Hurley is the answer.
Speaker 6 (41:55):
Then go get Dan Hurley.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
Don't like you think we can get him on the cheek.
You're the Lakers, You're the Los Angeles Lake.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
You would have been the sixth highest paid coach in
the league. He had to coach one damn game at
this pro level.
Speaker 7 (42:08):
He you know what eleven the the eleven mil or
whatever you would have made is about at the average.
I know everybody keeps putting it like he'd be six
or the top five, top ten, whatever.
Speaker 6 (42:19):
It's about the when you take all of.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
The salaries, it's about average.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
So I would say your best argument is the hey, JJ,
not like Hurley, you're a coach, here's the staff we're
going to give you. Like I don't love that idea.
Speaker 7 (42:31):
No, that that the reasons, that's one of the reasons.
Another reason not only are you not paying me, but
you know what we're We're gonna have a say. And
in terms of who's going to be on your I
don't like Dan. Dan's like, okay, I get to pick
my coaches like I'm treated like royalty in Yukon, like
the entire state is in love.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
With loves you.
Speaker 6 (42:52):
I can win.
Speaker 7 (42:54):
And and here's the other part, like his his ability
to get a shot at another NBA job is not
hurt in any way by staying at Yukon. Somebody will
come after him again, probably on the East Coast. Who
knows Nicks nets somewhere that's more convenient he's gonna have
that opportunity.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
You mentioned hurly whining. I forgot about Luca's whining in
Game three. It disappointed me. I'm a big Luca guy,
So Lucas said yesterday, sometimes I don't show it the
right way. At the end of the day, I really
want to win. I got to do a better job
showing it a different way. The floor's years rack.
Speaker 7 (43:30):
So this is I thought that MAVs would win because
because Luca has won championships before, which I could not
say about the Boston Celtics. They've they've been choke artists
in the postseason, and Luca has demonstrated since he was
a teenager, I can win championships. Now, the difference is
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the euro and what I did not consider. The EuroLeague
is not as long, the playoffs are not as long.
The athleticis like, he's never faced this kind of grind
to win a championship. But all that said, look at
how Kyrie has dealt with the referees. Look at how
Drew Holliday has dealt with the referees. Look at how
every other great player in this series has dealt with
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the referees. These are the best referees in the NBA,
and Luca is dismissive and challenging every single call and
mocking them. Now, if you're looking for fifty to fifty calls,
which I could make a case both of the last
two fouls could have gone the other way and we
would be having a conversation about there goes Jalen Brown again,
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recklessly driving, losing the ball, get fouling, et cetera, et cetera.
But these are fifty to fifty calls and he's been
hammering the referees all game long.
Speaker 5 (44:46):
Do you think you're gonna get the benefit of the doubt, like,
be smarter about what you're facing.
Speaker 7 (44:52):
And he hasn't been that, and I'm sure he's gonna
learn that lesson. We've seen him in this playoffs. There
was one game I forget which one it was where
he was so so nice to the referees.
Speaker 6 (45:01):
And you know what, he had a really good question.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
I think it was a game after he got a
technical member and it was a big story. Okay, maybe
he's putting his tap, he's patting them on the back.
He's like he's clapping when they got good calls. Look, gay, Luca,
I'm gonna try to defend a lot. I think there's
a lot of stuff to crush. The one you said,
look at how Kyrie and Drew Holliday of him traded
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if they're in their thirties, their veterans. Lucas till a
young guy.
Speaker 7 (45:27):
But but that's but that's not how we thought of
him coming in here. We've always talked about his game
and his approach and his understanding of the game, being
wiser than his years. Right, Yeah, he's only twenty five
years old. He's acted like a twenty year old in
the in this series, which has surprised me. I think
the reason, and I give credit to the Boston Celtics.
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They have made this game more difficult, difficult on him
than than he's than anything that he's ever faced. He's
mentally and physically fatigued. He cannot impact the game the
way he's used to impacting it, and that has him
frustrated to a level where he's acting out.
Speaker 6 (46:06):
I get all of it.
Speaker 7 (46:07):
But if you're asking me why the MAVs are where
they are or whether he's blown this chance to win
a championship, I would say no, he's been exposed as
not being an NBA championship caliber player. Yet he's got
to get in better shape, he's got to play better
d and he's got to understand how you treat referees
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in order to get a good whistle. They're human nature,
and you're talking about the best NBA, the best referees
that the NBA has, and he's mocking them.
Speaker 6 (46:42):
What do you expect?
Speaker 7 (46:43):
You're not like chances are any fifty to fifty call
is not going to go your way.
Speaker 6 (46:49):
And that's what he that's the position he's putting.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
So we'll wrap up with Caitlin Clark. I'm sorry. I
know some people are out on the Caitlin Clark story,
but it keeps getting more interesting. Yesterday before a game
in which later played poorly, and the media is basically
asking her to solve racism in this country with hey,
are you gonna step up and help out the rest.
Speaker 6 (47:08):
Of the league.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
They're headhunting you, but can you kind of defend them
in these culture wars on social media? I thought Clark
handle did great. I see you've got a grin, go ahead, Ray,
come on.
Speaker 6 (47:18):
So I just laughed.
Speaker 7 (47:20):
The reporter says, I know, you just want to focus
on basketball, and then asks the.
Speaker 10 (47:25):
Question that has nothing to do with basketball, like the
audacity of I know you don't want to talk about this,
but I'm going to ask you to talk about this.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
I look, look, there's no way to treat her fairly.
Speaker 7 (47:39):
The only people that are treating her fairly are the
WNBA players because you're coming in and everybody has said
you are all that. And if I'm a WNBA player
and everybody's saying you're gonna take over this league, I've
already been here. I've already been playing like you're gonna
have to show me and I'm and this is how
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she's being treated by NBA w NBA players. Is is
no different than any great player coming into the league.
They all get tested, and particularly when they're a skilled
player and they're not very strong, what are you gonna do.
You're gonna be physical with them. That's that's just the
nature of the game. It's not headhunting or any of that. So, look,
(48:21):
we can't treat her fairly because we've never had a
player that's had her popularity coming into the league, and
so it's it's they're going to be missteps figuring out
as they.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Go, and like Lebron didn't wait into social issues when
he was twenty two.
Speaker 7 (48:38):
Michael, nor were we asking him, Yeah, but now we
ask him all the time, and that even that's not fair, Like, yeah,
it's not great.
Speaker 6 (48:48):
The media's fault, yeah, media, not us. The media, that media.
You blame all of us. We're all guilty.
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This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Welcome to the Herd, Ladies and gentlemen. It's a beautiful
Friday out here in Los Angeles. It's me Jason McIntyre
in for vacation in Colin Coward. Nobody takes as much
vacation as Colin Coward does. I'm joined today by Alex Curry.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Alex, great to see you, Great to see Colin deserves it,
though you can't give him that much slack you told
me last time we did this.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
We're like, man, I'm.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Exhausted after three hours.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
How do you do there?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Hours? That guy take some time. He is a machine.
I don't know how he doesn't. Colin cowherd one and only,
but Alex, last time you were here your birthday. I'm
sure that celebration is great. What do you got this weekend,
you're celebrating anything special Fathersday?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Come on, your dad, you should know about right.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Thanks for reminding me.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Yeah, one of my sisters just had her first baby,
so we'll be celebrating not only like my dad's Father's Day,
my husband's dad's Father's Day and then a.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
New father and the family. Yeah, it's a also of
great really Father's Day to you. Thank you very much,
I am my dad. Uh huh. Great sports weekend, lots
of awesome night. Yeah tonight. Well, okay, we'll get to
that in a bit.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
You're not feeling too We're.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Gonna start with the big news, obviously, the huge news
in the NFL. Trevor Lawrence, the awesome quarterback. Can I
call him?
Speaker 6 (01:38):
Underrated?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Underrated quarterback of the Jacksonville Jaguars. He's signed a massive
new deal. I see, five years, two hundred and seventy
five million dollars. The numbers are staggering. Two hundred million guaranteed.
For signing the contract, he got thirty seven and a
half million dollars, so we know Trevor Lawrence will spend
the weekend just swimming in bathtubs full of money. It's
awesome to be Trevor Lawrence, right, and you guys know
(02:01):
how this goes half the audience out there. Oh, they
overpaid Trevor Lawrence, Jay Mack, Come on, this guy hasn't
done anything. Three years in the league. He has one
playoff win. He's got the most turnovers of any quarterback
in the league since he was drafted. And I was
texting with one of the producers last night about one
of my big issues right now around the NFL is
(02:23):
how we talk about quarterbacks. And you know, we're in
an engagement economy. People, that's what we are right now.
You need to stay engaged. I need you watching ten
minutes of every chunk and online everybody. You got to
put out instagrammables, shareable content that can keep you scrolling.
And one of the most popular things to do now
is these blind quarterback resumes. Yes we do them on
(02:44):
the show. Yes, I hate them. I'm allowed to where
we cherry pick stats to fit our narrative. And folks,
there's one out there that is a whopper. Jay have
you seen the one on Trevor Lawrence versus Daniel Jones.
It's crazy, they're like the same guy, and I just
I feel like it's lowest common denominator. Nonsense. We do
(03:05):
this a lot online and now the smart people can
see through it and see, oh WHOA Pro Football Focus
shows that, damn, Trevor Lawrence is already one of the
best deep ball passers in the NFL over the last
three years. Well that's why they got him, Christian Kirk.
They looked at the analytics and said, oh, well, Trevor
Lawrence can chuck it deep. He's got great deep ball accuracy,
great window placement. Yeah, he's had turnovers. You know what happens.
(03:28):
Peyton Manning struggled early in his career, John Elway, go
look up his numbers, early quarterback struggle. It's a young
kid in his first three years. And truthfully, if you
want to toss out his rookie year or Urban Meyer
was a disaster and gone before Christmas, well that's okay,
I'll understand that. And then you dig in deeper into
the numbers, and nobody wants to dig in. Right, We're
(03:49):
in like a bit of a lazy time here in
America for sports fans. Just give me the obvious numbers.
Nobody wants to dig deep, drill down, spend a few
minutes to like get smarter, because, oh, would you look
at that Trevor Lawrence in year two, midway through the season,
something clicked and he finishes on a hot street. Five
(04:09):
straight wins, They get to the playoffs, they win a game,
the great comeback against the Chargers that they lose to
the Chiefs. No harm in that. Okay, what happened in
year three? Trevor Lawrence comes out of the gate on
fire eight and three to start the season. So look
at that end of year two, first half of year three,
and look at this sample size. Ladies and gentlemen, thirteen
and three record awesome numbers. Now, I know the touchdown passes,
(04:32):
you'd like to see them higher. Some of that is, hey,
you take what the defense gives you. He's got a
good running back in Travis Etn. But that is a
full year sample of Trevor Lawrence. I know the three
year body of work is not great. And I know
there's people yelling at the TV and radio right now, Jay, Hey, hey,
I'd take CJ. Stroud over Trevor Lawrence. Okay, so you
(04:52):
have one good year of CJ. Stroud. Yes, he was phenomenal,
outstanding rookie year. Hit the ground running. Looks like he's
got a new offensive coordinator who was outstanding last year.
Head coach, everything was great Jay Jordan Love. Yes, an
eight game sample size of Jordan Love was outstanding.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Very.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Praiseworthy stuff from Jordan Love. And you guys want to
act like, oh, well, I'd take those guys over Trevor Lawrence. Folks.
Trevor Lawrence has shown us over a longer period of
time when he was dominant in college, when he was
very good for a good year, and then he had
the high ankle spraining on Monday Night football last year
against the Niners. I think he had a concussion, and
(05:32):
the numbers went off a cliff and the team fell
out of contention. The wheels came off, Folks, the Jags
did this smart thing here early. I know we're going
to show the graphic here of who what quarterbacks are
making an average amount per year, And now Trevor Lawrence
is tied with Joe Burrow at fifty five million a year,
And yes, does that look quote unquote bad. Sure, but
(05:53):
this is where the numbers are a little fuzzy. Lawrence's
new deal doesn't kick in until twenty twenty six, so
he's not made fifty five million this year. He's not
making fifty five million next year. I opened our morning
meeting this morning with, well, this is great. They signed
him early. The money doesn't kick in till twenty twenty six.
The Jag super Bowl window it's still there, wide open,
(06:15):
and the great producer Ryan Music looks at me and laughs.
Now he's a big Burrow guy. He's laughing at me.
Super Bowl window, come up? Can I get to the
second round of the playoffs? And I get that, but
the deal that they have for Lawrence doesn't kick in
for two more years. They do have a runway here,
and I know the division got better where the Jacksonville
Jaguars with Trevor Lawrence should be in contention in a tough,
(06:37):
rugged AFC. I love everything about this deal. I think Lawrence.
I don't know if he's gonna live up to number
one billing and win multiple super Bowls, but he's a
damn good quarterback and the Jags did a darn good thing.
Now I'm gonna turn my attention to a topic that
you guys are probably gonna hate. I have in my
notes here this morning, as I was in the dressing room,
the next story is a doozy and you guys aren't
(06:57):
gonna like this, but it's about Caitlin Clark and some
thing that happened yesterday. And know it does not involve
Caitlin Clark's Indiana Fever winning against whoever they played. I
honestly don't know the opponent. She did not have a
great game. She had like seven points, seven turnovers. Doesn't matter.
Fever won. They're on track, maybe get in the playoffs.
But anytime Caitlin Clark does not have a great game,
(07:18):
it gives fodder for the internet dopes to say, oh,
she's not Olympic worthy. She had seven points, Like, just stop.
But what the real interesting story with Caitlin Clark is
is what happened before the game. So she met with
the media, okay, and the media has now expanded from
let's not talk about chartered flights and promotion for the
(07:38):
league and Indiana Fever. We've kind of been through that,
let's not talk about the Olympics. And a reporter tried
to pin Caitlin Clark down on a difficult question of
the culture wars currently happening online. Yeah, we're going there.
So Caitlin Clark was asked about people using her name
to promote agendas, and here's what she said.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
God said, like basketball is my job.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Like everything on the outside, I can't control that, So
I'm not going to spend time thinking about that, you know,
Kay up and talk about what they want to talk about.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
I'm seeing conversations about, you know, whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
But I think for myself, like, you know, I'm just
here to play basketball.
Speaker 7 (08:17):
I'm here to have fun.
Speaker 8 (08:18):
I'm trying to help our team line.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Oh yeah, it's a tough one for Kaitlin Clark. Now,
she was asked about it again later and she had
an answer, but she wasn't thrilled with how people are
using her name. And listen, I think Caitlin Clark's handling
this great. Okay, we're talking about a twenty two year
old rookie. Hey, Caitlin Clark, thanks forgetting us the charter
flights that's out, Sandy. Thanks for selling out Arena's coast
(08:40):
to coast and shining a huge spotlight on this league.
Thanks for promoting women's basketball. And oh, by the way,
thanks for dealing with a target on your back every night.
You come out great. We know you're struggling to, you know,
solve defenses in the WNBA that are all geared to
stop you. But do you think you could solve racism
in America? Because that's what it feels like. They're asking
(09:01):
Caitlin Clark, Hey, can you solve these culture wars? They're
gross and disgusting. And I would say, largely on this show,
we have not waded into that. We're kind of mostly
focusing on Caitlin Clark at some of the basketball aspects
and uh, you know, the awesome stuff she's done for
the league, and yeah, we'll talk about the cheap shots
and the fouls and the threes, but we're not wading
(09:22):
into this culture war stuff. And there's just really no win. Okay,
surely you guys remember Michael Jordan. He was asked about
it once. He once his star Rose and he was
winning chips. They're asking Michael Jordan about his political Hey,
are you gonna stump for this candidate in North Carolina?
You know where you're from. And of course Michael Jordan
allegedly uttered the great line Republicans by sneakers too, But
(09:44):
he was not a twenty two year old rookie. Okay,
Tiger Woods, you guys, remember when Tiger Woods was ascending.
Oh yeah, one side starts propping up Tiger Woods. The
other side hates Tiger Woods because that's that's what we've done.
Now in America, you either are with us or you're
against us. There's no in the middle. I'm in the middle.
I don't I don't really care. I don't want to
be on your side or your side. I'll be on
my side. I'll be fine. But Tiger didn't take the bait.
(10:06):
Tom Brady, if you guys famously remember once he's got
the Dynasty rolling and they see a certain red hat
in his locker. Tom, what's going on here? Brady was like,
kind of damn it, I screwed up? How'd I get in?
And he navigated the waters definitely stayed right down the middle. Okay,
and Patrick Mahomes this off season had his dopey kicker
(10:28):
make all these comments at a commencement address, and you know,
everybody's like, Pat, Pat, you got.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
A way in.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
We need your take. Pat, where are you are you
gonna defend us? You know Taylor Swift's on our side. Pat,
are you gonna come to the Patrick Mahomes is like,
I don't talk to that guy off season comes, I
don't talk to him. That was basically it. Patrick Mahomes
avoided it. So you're telling me these veterans, these guys
in their late twenties, whether it was Jordan Tiger Brady,
(10:53):
I think Brady was in his thirties when it happened
that and Mahomes in his late twenties. They're avoiding the topic.
But we now expect Caitlin Clark to weigh in and
save and solve racism in America and misogyny and all
that other stuff. You think a twenty two year old
rookie Caitlin Clark's out here to hoop. She's trying to
get better. She's trying to solve the defenses that are
(11:13):
all bottling her up and have one focus. I think
it was one of the stars in the league. Kelsey
Plumb was like, listen, we're playing Katelin Crunk. We just
want to chop the head off, and everything else is fine.
Everyone's geared to stop Caitlin Clark. She's trying to worry
about hoops and now she's getting asked about being propped
up in disgusting online culture wars. Are you kidding me?
I should chide the reporter and call them out for
(11:35):
even going year. But that's where we are now, right.
The Olympics is yesterday's news. I had a great Olympic
take I used on my podcast this week. I was
gonna rejiggerate and kind of fire this week. And now
we're on from the Olympics to now culture battles which
have been fought by a lot of male athletes. And
I don't know, guys, I was going through looking for
a female athlete who had to deal with this so
(11:58):
early in her career, and I can't find. This is
uncharted territory, which is I guess how Kitlin Clark likes it.
But I do applaud her answer and listen, she doesn't
need my advice. I mean, she's got sneaker deals, She's
got a lot going on. I would say stay in
that middle. That's where the smart people are. You guys
have heard the great saying. Listen. If your thoughts and
(12:18):
political insights all align with your neighbors, you're not a
clear thinker. If they all align with all of your friends,
you don't disagree with anything, you're not a clear thinker.
You need to be an independent thinker and I think
I believe Kitlin Clark is probably in that group where
she's not going to get sucked into this nonsense. And
I don't know, Alex. I'm a little worried for Kaitlin Clark.
(12:40):
She ads, it's a big burden to bear for a
twenty two year old rookie, But.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Can we just acknowledge how well she has handled the
weight of the world in every possibility. I mean, she
went straight from March madness, right into the WNBA draft,
right into the WNBA to then dealing with this criticism
that I don't think anybody could have anticipated. We knew
(13:06):
that she was going to alter and change the game
for women's basketball, and we've seen that as we have.
We are talking about her every single day.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Every week.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
It's a new topic of Caitlyn Clark in what she
has not only done for the game, or what she
hasn't done, or what she's getting taken taken away. But
as you mentioned, she's twenty two years old and a rookie.
She hasn't even had a moment to breathe, from college
to the pros to just getting hounded with everything, and
as you've heard her say, she's handling it with so
(13:36):
much grace that I'm just here to play.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I respect all the other players in this league.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Everybody in this league, no matter how you look, no
matter what you do, deserves the same amount of respect.
And that's the route she's taking, and that's the route
she should stick to unless something significant happens where you
need to take a stand on it. For Caitlyn Clark,
but with everything she has been through just in these
couple of months, it's you have to applaud how while
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she's handled it.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And I know some people are gonna hit me up.
I will not be looking at my phone during the broadcast.
I gotta be locked in, folks. But a lot of people, Jason,
when Kevin Durant said he just wanted to hoop Jay, Hey,
you were like, he's not a leader. Well no, no, no, no,
that's different. Caitlin Clark is a leader of her team.
Kevin duri didn't want to be leader. Absconded. Sorry KD
to come after you again. Anyways, coming up next, everyone
(14:23):
has been freaking out about Aaron Rodgers's unexcused absence from
my jets. I kind of need to take a deep breath.
We're going to dive into that next year on The Herd.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
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Speaker 3 (14:41):
App Back here on the Herd. I feel like every
time I'm in for Colin Cowherd, the New York Jets
pop up.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Folks.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
It's not by design. The staff knows I'm a big
Jets guy and I'm kind of passionate for the team.
I just I just can't even with Aaron Rodgers anymore.
You know, have you ever had a name who was
just a business and you just can't deal with him
to the point where if you walk out your door
to like pick up the garbage and that guy walks
out to pick up his garbage, or just wait another like,
(15:10):
you know, two minutes scroll on your phone just to
avoid the guy. And I feel like that's happening with
Aaron Rodgers and the Jets and me right now. I'm
just I'm at the point. I'm at my breaking point. Honestly.
Everywhere I go. I got a buddy who lives up
the street and he's a Packers fan. He's like, how's
your boy? Aaron Rodgers doing, you know, pointing and laughing.
And you guys know, I used to work at a
celebrity magazine where it was one of these glossies and
(15:33):
we would get all this news. It was a great job,
you know, yeah, get interview. I got to like interview
Jessica Awl. But it was a great job. But PR
one oh one was a massive thing at this job.
Anytime they knew there was trouble ahead, they would they
would find a second story to kind of change the
narrative quickly. We're seeing Elon Musk, this is happening with
him right now. He's in court all week, and then
all of a sudden, Hey, guess what your like's are
(15:55):
private now on Twitter or ex or whatever they call it.
It's like you just want to change the narrative. Well,
the Jets bungled botched this Aaron Rodgers disaster this week
so badly, and I think a lot of it, unfortunately
falls on Robert Salah who comes out and calls it
like an unexcused absence. What he could have said like
seventy four other things to describe why Rogers isn't there
(16:16):
this week. So obviously, you know we have the sound,
we're going to start here. Back in January, Aaron Rodgers
wanted to keep it football, just the football, and here
he is back in January calling out the organization.
Speaker 9 (16:29):
Everything that we do.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Has to have a purpose too.
Speaker 9 (16:33):
When you step in the building, there's intentionality with everything
that you do. And it's not a half the time thing.
It's not a sometimes thing, it's not most of the
time thing. It's an every time thing. If you want
to be a winning organization, then to put you some
position to win championships and be competitive, everything that you
do matters, and that has nothing to do with winning
needs to get out of the building.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Okay, So Aaron Rodgers has been around all off season.
He's been at every thing. You know, he hasn't missed anything,
and now here we go. Mini can't mandatory. Rogers is
a no show because he has something that is still
not out there. I joked that maybe it was another
Darkness retreat all the Rogers fans online. No, he said
he's not doing that again. So maybe he's at some
(17:19):
political event. I don't I don't know where he is.
I find heart believe cow Hurt said he's vacationing somewhere.
Who knows Robert Salah at the podium this week sounded awful.
Explaining Rogers's absence, Tyra said.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
He had only found out that morning. Is there any
reason why I was the communicated to him before or.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
No, It's it's a one on one conversation. That's not
something the team needed to know about. Aaron and I
are on the exact same page. There's no issue between
Aaron or his teammates for that matter. So, like I said,
we addressed it yesterday. It's not it's it's more of
an issue for everyone outside the building than it is inside.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Not a problem. I mean Todd Rod Taylor of the
backup just showed up and was like, hey, you're starting today, Bro,
Aaron's out. Okay, sure, I'll take first team reps. But
this just goes into the dysfunction of the franchise. I mean, folks,
you guys know I was born in New York. I'm
a Jets fan. I lived through the lean years, one win,
a quarterback shuffle, the Sam Darnold train wreck, Seeing Ghosts,
(18:23):
Adam Gaze. I could go on down the list. It's
been ugly, longest play longest drought without a playoff appearance.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
My Jets.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I don't know where this ends. I don't Maybe Aaron
Rodgers shows up and it's koumbai a no big deal.
But here's the thing, Sala said, no teammates have issues. Well,
Sauce Gardner, the best player on the defense, or Quinnen Williams, whatever.
Sauce Gardner came out and he's angry, and he put
out a tweet or an X or whatever it's called.
You know, are you guys really making a big deal
out of this because he missed two days of practice?
(18:55):
We Sauce my guy. I'm a Sauce Gardner fan. You know,
I know. I said you could maybe trade him for
a poo poo platter of massive picks. I digress Sauce.
Aaron Rodgers has said let's keep it football in the building,
And now when it's football time, Aaron's not in the building.
(19:16):
I don't know how you can chalk this up as nothing.
It's gotta be something, even if it's a couple day brushfire.
It's the latest in a string of pr disasters for
Robert Sala and the Jets, and I'm hopeful that Rogers
shows up. It's kombaiya. The schedule is easy. The offensive
line holds up and next thing you know, it's twelve
and five and the Jets are in the playoffs winning
(19:38):
the division that is in play, and I will be
betting the Jets to win the division. You can scoff
if you want the division's theirs, assuming Rogers can stay
healthy and upright and you know, locked in on football.
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Speaker 3 (20:57):
Listen. Man, Yeah, I came on here and picked the MAVs.
It wasn't a confident pick. I said I'd be careful
betting on the MAVs. I had the MAVs earlier in
the playoffs. I didn't love them in the finals. But
what Boston has done putting Dallas in a body bag
is I think gonna kind of shape the NBA going
forward for the next couple of years, similarly to how
(21:18):
the twenty fifteen Warriors totally changed the game. And remember,
people hate change. People are so dismissive of it when
those twenty fifteen Warriors hit the scene. The Splash Brothers.
They had a couple first round, flame out second round
I think as well, and then they just tore through everybody.
And I will never forget. This is what my disdain
(21:38):
for Barclay, sorry, Chuck and Shack and that inside the
NBA show started. I know everybody loves it, it's a
fine show, but in twenty fifteen, in those playoffs, they
were like, oh, these jump shooting, soft kids, they're not
all that, They're nothing special. They can't handle and Memphis
went up to one, and then of course the Warriors
just wipe them off the map in a heartbeat. There's
(22:00):
so much disdain for that Warriors team. I felt similarly
that's what we've been seeing with these Golden With these
Boston Celtics, people just aren't really respecting what they've done.
And I know people don't want to hear it. I'm sorry,
Larry Bird. Celtics in the eighties never did what these
Boston Celtics are doing. I mean they're dominating in the
(22:21):
postseason now, fifteen and two, this is an incredible run.
The regular season numbers, people forget they won the East
by fourteen games. Fourteen I know, I know there were
injuries and Yannis and the Dame was new and the
Sixers imploded because Embiid got hurt. Like, sure, we can
make all these excuses, we can go on down the list. Hey,
(22:42):
you know who else they made excuses for the twenty
fifteen Warriors in the finals against the Caves, Kevin Love
was out busted shoulder, and Kyrie got hurt in Game one,
So it was basically the Warriors against Lebron and a
bunch of dudes, and the Warriors win the series. But
it was like, wow, well they beat a bunch of
beat up cabs Cabs team, and I just I look
at the Celtics. I'm like, okay, sure, Donovan Mitchell was out, Yeah,
(23:05):
and Hi May Howkas and Jimmy Butler and miss the
Miami's hears and Haliburton Missic. I get it.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
It's fine.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Dallas is healthy. Dallas just took down Minnesota pretty easily. Well,
I was just hearing ten days ago was a stan
Van Gundy tho, just the best backcourt in NBA history.
They can't get to a hundred points in the finals
against the Celtics. These Boston Celtics are built different. And
when I say that I got a shot chart for
you from Game three in the Finals, that's just staggering.
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This is the new NBA, folks, analytics of one. I
don't care what you think about numbers. You hate them.
The analytics are overrated. The analytics have won. Look at
Boston in Game three. Look at this six mid range shots.
The mid range shot officially dead. Boston and Joe Mizzoula
have said we're gonna do it our way. We're gonna
shoot threes and suffit the rim only in the paate
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or threes, and it works. Dallas can't stop it, and
Dallas at the other end of the court cannot handle this.
Boston defense very switchable. I know you guys are resistant
to change. And the analytics have tuned people out, and
you got all these Jabbroni's online. I can't watch the
NBA so many threes. The numbers don't lie. Boston is
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on the verge of a sweep. The only two games
they blew in the playoffs, one of them against Miami.
Miami had an unbelievable like they made like twenty four
to three pointers and the other one similar situation Cleveland
just got unbelievably hot from deep. Other than that, Boston
has steamrolled the East. I'm talking steamrolled, and they're steamrolling
the MAVs and the great Luca Dnca, who, for my money,
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best player in the league. I know our next guest
here in a second is gonna probably laugh at that,
and that's fine. I get it. Lucas had a rough series.
He's got to do some maturing. But the way these
Celtics are built is pretty impressive. And I will I'll
close with this, uh coward spent a lot of time
this season. It's the European takeover. International old guys run
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the NBA at the top. They they've had a good run,
Giannis Jokic, Luca. You look at the Celtics starting lineup,
four Americans and Al Horford and then coming off the
bench Porzingis, who's been hurt for much of this run.
Let's not declare the American way of basketball dead just yet.
And with that, I want to welcome in Fox Sports
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NBA analyst Eric bucher Rick's got a big smile on
his face, very excited to just we have some good
back and forth. During the pandemic. We had some we
did some videos for Fox Sports.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Yes we did.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Did what viral arguing Damian Lillard. So Rick and I
love some sparring, but I don't know Game four tonight
do the Mavericks steel one? Do you even care? Or
are you onto the offseasons?
Speaker 7 (25:48):
I care because for some of the reasons that you've stated,
like where do we put this Boston Celtics team and
a sweep in the finals. When was the last time
a Western Conference team was swept? I want to say
it was Detroit. I mean, we're going back, We're going
back prior to win. I've never covered in NBA finals
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where a Western Conference team was swept.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
It's a great point.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
So again, but what does that mean?
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Does that automatically anoint a team as being an all
time great as you are suggesting, and and I can't
go there. Look, have we underestimated the Boston Celtics? Have
we not given them?
Speaker 6 (26:27):
They're just due? I would say that that is fair.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
But I'm not going to look at the regular season
record or the margin of victory, or the net rating
or any of those things and say this is an
all time great team.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
I would not be surprised if this is the.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
One and only championship this group wins because I think
that they are I think they're a really good team.
I think they are a very well built team. But
I also believe that they are taking advantage of a
league that is in transition. That we've got the old
guard of Steph Curry and Lebron James and some of
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the established great teams and players on their way out,
and now we are looking for who's going to be
the next great team. And we thought Denver was going
to be dynastic. And I'm not discounting that Denver could
get back into the mix and win another one. But
I think what we have right now is we're going
to test the popularity of the NBA when there is parody,
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because I believe that right now we have five, six,
seven teams that could make a case that they are
title contenders going into next season.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
So let me drill down a little on the Celtics
greatness And is it because the numbers say they're great
and historically right, the eye test says something sort of otherwise.
So is it more of an eye test not believing
or is there something else?
Speaker 6 (27:53):
I would say that there's a combination.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Number One, the Eastern Conference was not a good conference
this year. You had two teams that were outright tanking, right,
I mean, the two worst teams in the league. And
if you look at the difference between top teams, the
Western Conference was loaded in terms of having more teams
with winning records, more teams with fifty that won fifty.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Games across the board.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
So Boston was the best team in the Eastern Conference.
That's inflated the numbers. But I still look at the
way they're composed, like as of right now, if they
don't have Drew Holliday, right, if they don't have Christaps
porzingis even for the just the two games, I'm not
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sure we're here looking at a potential sweep. So do
they have that nucleus? Do they have that championship caliber nucleus.
I'm sure there's some people out there that are immediately
to go, well, Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum deserve to
be in the category of the Kobe's and the Shacks,
and no.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Really people going there.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Well, I would not be surprised if there's a sweep.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
There's good.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
Of course the people are gonna go there. Of course
they're going to go there.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
There and to me, it's like Drew Holliday and and
they they've been. They remind me of the two thousand
and four Detroit Pistons when they beat the Great Lakers
team in terms of they had a collection of really,
really good players whose pieces all fit, and they were
willing to share the load and defensively.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
They were great in a multitude of ways.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Who would I don't even was Rip Hamilton on that team?
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Hamilton was on that team.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
Kayshawn Prince was on that team, Bill Rashid Wallace, Ben Wallace,
and Chauncey Billups.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Chauncey Billups was better than anybody on that team. I mean,
Tatum's a three time first team All NBA guy.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Ah, okay, but how much? How much better? My point is?
Speaker 7 (29:46):
The point is, My point is that they were It
was the sum of their parts that made them great. Like,
is Jason Tatum an all time great player? Do you
put me in that category? Were still debating whether he's
the best player on the.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Team twenty seven, twenty eight, that he's not gonna he's.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
Gonna have a phenomenal Careerah, is he gonna win multiple champs?
Speaker 6 (30:07):
He might not even be finals MVP.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
He will. I think he's probably Brown, right.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Now, the odds are that Brown the Brown's gonna be MVP.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
This fits the narrative of the twenty fifteen Warriors. See,
I know, you know what, I'm so glad you brought
that up, because you don't one finals of that. That
was Andrea Gudal. That was Andre his defense on Lebron.
It was and defense. Lebron still went.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Off and the one the one thing that look and
I live in the Bay Area, so I've had to
live with this. If they don't get Kevin Durant, they're
not a dynasty. They don't get Kevin Durant. They don't
win back to back championships and three out of in
four years, they don't do all that they did. So
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if you're comparing the Boston Celtics to that twenty fifteen
Golden State Warriors team, are they going to become dynastic
without a the insertion of a Kevin Durant type player?
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Can they?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
As is?
Speaker 7 (31:05):
And and keep in mind that the way the NBA
salary cap is now structured, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
It is so punitive.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
I mean, it's it's almost impossible unless you just you
want to give away your money. It's impossible to keep
a great team together. It's so like the amount of
tax that you pay just keeping it together is extraordinary.
And the Boston Celtics, if they want to keep this
group together.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Well they do that. They have one more year for sure,
and then Tatum's salary skyrockets. Yes, Drew Holliday's kind of
getting in his mid thirty but he's essentially like Draymond
green Ish without the noise and cheap shots and punches
and all that, right, I mean he guard anybody he's been.
Speaker 7 (31:50):
Drew Holliday has been indispensable. I mean, he's not gonna
win MVP, but man, if you had a most indispensable
player what Drew Holliday has done. Because I look Game three,
Drew Holliday's not there to calm the waters, to say, hey,
don't worry.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
We're down by one. I got Kyrie Irving.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
I'll go and get Derek White and open three like
we're we're going to be okay. Right, If you don't
have that, I'm not sure we're looking at a three
to zero series.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I would largely agree. One more thing on the side
of the stoves, did you hear that I agree, We
do agree. We agree.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Sometimes often doesn't that agree?
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Sometimes write it down, remember.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Exactly, here's my thing. So we're watching a Celtics team
that's switchable on the perimeter. Defensively, they're not doubling. Luca
Yuka keeps driving into the lane and he's like, shucks,
I can't get over this length.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
PJ.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Washington is not opening. They don't really have much. How
many teams around the league are gonna look at the
way the Celtics are built similarly to those Warriors and
be like, we need three point shooting, we need wings.
Remember when the Warriors will go to the death line
up with Draymond at the five and it was like
oh my, and then they you know, it was like
jump to light speed with Kevin de I just wonder
like the guy I look at I kept talking about
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carl Anton Towns, Timberwolves move off him. I almost feel
he's a Horford Porzingis type at the five, and a
guy like Rudy Gobert has less value and you saw
his less value against the Mass. Do teams start to
shape in the way Boston has. We want to play
five out, Derek Lively, you were nice, it didn't really
work in the series.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
Yeah, there is something to that, for sure, and I
think teams have been trying to do that. It's just
Boston has perfected the art of what they've put together,
and they've done it at a time where all these
guys are in age where you can kind of grow
from it.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
So yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Having five attacking players on the floor, Iman, Honestly, it
is what the Warriors death lineup was. Multiple playmakers, multiple
dribble drivers, multiple shooters. The Boston Celtics have just have
a new iteration that. So yeah, but but everybody's looking. Look,
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the Dallas Mavericks are looking for more three and D
quality wing defenders and a stretch four in the in
the guise of christophs porzingis Yeah, that's it's what you
have to have, and it's the one thing that they
don't have.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Maxi Kleieber looks terrified to be on the stage.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Yeah, and linked look, you, this is.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
What happens in the finals.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
It goes to your role players, like your your stars
basically ex each other out, and then it goes down
to the five, six, seven spots in your rotation and
who's going to win those battles. Who's going to make
a contribution. Yeah, and the Boston Celtics guys have done that.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
All right, let's move to the Lakers. I think we're
contractually obligated to talk Lakers every single time you're on
the show. So Dan Hurley was on with Cowherd yesterday.
Here's what he had to say about the Lakers coaching
surgeon his interview.
Speaker 12 (34:55):
We had some text messages and you know, he you know,
incredible uh you know, message from him over the course
of the weekend just just uh, you know, talking about
talking about basketball and and and some different things and
and letting me know you know that uh, you know
that that if he was there in LA, then I'd
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have his support and uh just like think about that
man like that.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
That blew my mind.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I'm a little distracted by the Batman thing on his desk. Anyway.
So Lebron was texting with Danny Hurley over the weekend
and dropped to if I'm with the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Yeah, No, I'm not buying. I'm not buying.
Speaker 7 (35:37):
I'm not buying into that. I've never bought into the
idea that he's leaving LA. I do think he will
continue and He's very good at this, maintaining his leverage
by making you guess, by making you wonder and look,
if the Lakers don't find a way to acquire Bronnie James,
then yeah, I then then that.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Opens the door.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
But I have no reason that Bronny's already working out
at the Lakers facility.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
You saw that, Yeah, what what are we?
Speaker 5 (36:02):
And and it was it was the Lakers are intrigued
by his athleticism, the workout come on what I like,
what are we trying to do? What are we really
trying to do? Are we trying to pretend that this
is like this is not about.
Speaker 7 (36:15):
Lebron wants to play with his son and we want
the Lakers want Lebron to stay in a Lakers uniform.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
Question, so if we're going to acquire Browny one way
or the other?
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Like what what what is this this idea that like they.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
They're scouting him and like we got to determine whether
we want him or not? Just can we stop the foolishness?
Speaker 7 (36:33):
So it is so, but I know, but we as media,
when we try to do that with a straight face,
we make ourselves look like jackasses, Like what are we doing?
Speaker 6 (36:42):
What are we doing. What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Do you have to you want to call anyone out?
Go ahead, let's people.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
Anybody who hit dog hollers.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
Anybody who may respond to that knows that they're the
ones that I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
In reality, though, there is a city where I don't know,
Utah Jazz Boss is it?
Speaker 6 (37:03):
Whoever?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
In the second round, like we're just gonna grab Ronnie
James and and mess with the Lakers. Lakers are kind
of powerless unless they take them at seventeen, which would
be foolish. They already blew their first round pick last year.
Who did nothing? I mean the guy they drafted after him,
ha may hawk Is I think came right after who
Chafino had like a really good season with Miami. Rotational guy,
so you liked. The Lakers are backed into drafting Bronni.
Speaker 7 (37:26):
I don't know if they draft him or they just
signed him as an as as a free agent, Like
he doesn't get drafted. I don't know how much it
means to Bronni or Lebron that he gets drafted. He's
not gonna get drafted in the first round. No, they
would be a second round pick and and second round
pick now in the NBA draft is second day. I
think there's almost more cachet if you were an undrafted
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player and they sign you and then they can sign
you to whatever they want.
Speaker 6 (37:52):
They're not they're not restrained by the salary cap rules.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
So I I it.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
But all of this this is really dependent on like
what is Lebron and Bronnie want? How what what do
they want this to look like?
Speaker 3 (38:06):
And that's really the only question that we have we
have left here, and well, wait, we don't have the
coach solved. Formality. Reddick is the guy that Redick gonna
automatically get.
Speaker 7 (38:17):
It feels like he is by default this is well,
this is what this is, this is how this is unfolded.
So they were trying to put together Reddick was at
was their target, and but they wanted.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
To put together a staff that would work with him.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
As it was been described to me, they like the
way that JJ thinks that he's an out of the
box thinker, and obviously his relationship with Lebron, But for
the same reason, they're not sure that that's gonna.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Work as the head coach of the Lakers with this roster.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
So they want some guys on the bench that have
done this before, that can kind of help him with
the the basics of being a head coach. An NBA
head coach, they couldn't get those From what I understand,
they were having difficulty signing, of finding those guys or
getting those guys to agree to come in, like a
James Barrego come in and be an assistant coach for
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j Jos. He's like yeah, He's like, I'm not. And
especially for the way that the Lakers pay their assistance,
which is not a whole lot, it wasn't very attractive.
So they were talking to a certain reporter who's very
close to the Hurleyes asking are we missing anybody? Are like,
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is there somebody that were not thinking of? And they
were told, well, you know, Dan Hurley hasn't signed his
deal with Yukon And they were like, we didn't even
know he was available, We didn't even think.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
He was that was possible.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
Do you think he would consider Well, I'll find out.
Speaker 7 (39:52):
So that was the connection that was made, and Hurley's
looking at it thinking, well, okay, if you give me
a generational type deal, if I'm gonna got you. The
Lakers are capable, an NBA team is capable of paying
me far more than Yukon's limited.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
I mean Yukon, if.
Speaker 7 (40:11):
They're they're not gonna get the deal that's on the
table the six years forty eight.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
He's gonna go above that.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
They're gonna find that he's gonna end up getting more
as a result, he's gonna get paid like Bill self,
he's gonna get ten a year. But that's really that's
almost beyond the resources of Yukon to do that. They're
doing it because now now they have held to right
the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (40:31):
This is my issue.
Speaker 7 (40:32):
I'm not convinced that Dan Hurley would have worked in
the NBA. Look you watch Tate. None of their players
dribble the ball more than three times. Nobody stands for
more than a second or two. I don't know how
you get enough NBA players to run his system. And
it's in the NBA. As a head coach, you don't
come in.
Speaker 6 (40:51):
With a system.
Speaker 7 (40:52):
You look at your personnel and go what system do
I run to fit this right? Maybe Dan can do it,
but he's never had to, so I don't know if
he can. And then there's the like how he treats
referee like there's a lot of adjustments to be made there.
But if you're the Lakers and you decide Dan Hurley
is the guy that we want, then you make a
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deal that he can't refuse.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
So he should have gone to like seventy five mil,
a hundred mil.
Speaker 7 (41:18):
Yes, whatever it takes, but seventy million. He's gonna get
sixty million from Yukon. Why I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm
gonna move across the country. I'm gonna upset my wife,
who doesn't want to leave the East Coast. I'm gonna
have to put up with all of the cooks in
the kitchen with the Lakers. I'm probably not gonna win.
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Like I'm gonna put up with all of these things
for an extra ten million.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Now.
Speaker 7 (41:44):
You give me a hundred million, you give me a
hundred million, I can't refuse that.
Speaker 6 (41:48):
I have to take. Well, that's my point.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
So if you believe that Dan Hurley is the answer.
Speaker 6 (41:55):
Then go get Dan Hurley.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
Don't like you think we can get him on the cheek.
You're the Lakers, You're the Los Angeles Lake.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
You would have been the sixth highest paid coach in
the league. He had to coach one damn game at
this pro level.
Speaker 7 (42:08):
He you know what eleven the the eleven mil or
whatever you would have made is about at the average.
I know everybody keeps putting it like he'd be six
or the top five, top ten, whatever.
Speaker 6 (42:19):
It's about the when you take all of.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
The salaries, it's about average.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
So I would say your best argument is the hey, JJ,
not like Hurley, you're a coach, here's the staff we're
going to give you. Like I don't love that idea.
Speaker 7 (42:31):
No, that that the reasons, that's one of the reasons.
Another reason not only are you not paying me, but
you know what we're We're gonna have a say. And
in terms of who's going to be on your I
don't like Dan. Dan's like, okay, I get to pick
my coaches like I'm treated like royalty in Yukon, like
the entire state is in love.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
With loves you.
Speaker 6 (42:52):
I can win.
Speaker 7 (42:54):
And and here's the other part, like his his ability
to get a shot at another NBA job is not
hurt in any way by staying at Yukon. Somebody will
come after him again, probably on the East Coast. Who
knows Nicks nets somewhere that's more convenient he's gonna have
that opportunity.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
You mentioned hurly whining. I forgot about Luca's whining in
Game three. It disappointed me. I'm a big Luca guy,
So Lucas said yesterday, sometimes I don't show it the
right way. At the end of the day, I really
want to win. I got to do a better job
showing it a different way. The floor's years rack.
Speaker 7 (43:30):
So this is I thought that MAVs would win because
because Luca has won championships before, which I could not
say about the Boston Celtics. They've they've been choke artists
in the postseason, and Luca has demonstrated since he was
a teenager, I can win championships. Now, the difference is
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the euro and what I did not consider. The EuroLeague
is not as long, the playoffs are not as long.
The athleticis like, he's never faced this kind of grind
to win a championship. But all that said, look at
how Kyrie has dealt with the referees. Look at how
Drew Holliday has dealt with the referees. Look at how
every other great player in this series has dealt with
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the referees. These are the best referees in the NBA,
and Luca is dismissive and challenging every single call and
mocking them. Now, if you're looking for fifty to fifty calls,
which I could make a case both of the last
two fouls could have gone the other way and we
would be having a conversation about there goes Jalen Brown again,
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recklessly driving, losing the ball, get fouling, et cetera, et cetera.
But these are fifty to fifty calls and he's been
hammering the referees all game long.
Speaker 5 (44:46):
Do you think you're gonna get the benefit of the doubt, like,
be smarter about what you're facing.
Speaker 7 (44:52):
And he hasn't been that, and I'm sure he's gonna
learn that lesson. We've seen him in this playoffs. There
was one game I forget which one it was where
he was so so nice to the referees.
Speaker 6 (45:01):
And you know what, he had a really good question.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
I think it was a game after he got a
technical member and it was a big story. Okay, maybe
he's putting his tap, he's patting them on the back.
He's like he's clapping when they got good calls. Look, gay, Luca,
I'm gonna try to defend a lot. I think there's
a lot of stuff to crush. The one you said,
look at how Kyrie and Drew Holliday of him traded
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if they're in their thirties, their veterans. Lucas till a
young guy.
Speaker 7 (45:27):
But but that's but that's not how we thought of
him coming in here. We've always talked about his game
and his approach and his understanding of the game, being
wiser than his years. Right, Yeah, he's only twenty five
years old. He's acted like a twenty year old in
the in this series, which has surprised me. I think
the reason, and I give credit to the Boston Celtics.
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They have made this game more difficult, difficult on him
than than he's than anything that he's ever faced. He's
mentally and physically fatigued. He cannot impact the game the
way he's used to impacting it, and that has him
frustrated to a level where he's acting out.
Speaker 6 (46:06):
I get all of it.
Speaker 7 (46:07):
But if you're asking me why the MAVs are where
they are or whether he's blown this chance to win
a championship, I would say no, he's been exposed as
not being an NBA championship caliber player. Yet he's got
to get in better shape, he's got to play better
d and he's got to understand how you treat referees
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in order to get a good whistle. They're human nature,
and you're talking about the best NBA, the best referees
that the NBA has, and he's mocking them.
Speaker 6 (46:42):
What do you expect?
Speaker 7 (46:43):
You're not like chances are any fifty to fifty call
is not going to go your way.
Speaker 6 (46:49):
And that's what he that's the position he's putting.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
So we'll wrap up with Caitlin Clark. I'm sorry. I
know some people are out on the Caitlin Clark story,
but it keeps getting more interesting. Yesterday before a game
in which later played poorly, and the media is basically
asking her to solve racism in this country with hey,
are you gonna step up and help out the rest.
Speaker 6 (47:08):
Of the league.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
They're headhunting you, but can you kind of defend them
in these culture wars on social media? I thought Clark
handle did great. I see you've got a grin, go ahead, Ray,
come on.
Speaker 6 (47:18):
So I just laughed.
Speaker 7 (47:20):
The reporter says, I know, you just want to focus
on basketball, and then asks the.
Speaker 10 (47:25):
Question that has nothing to do with basketball, like the
audacity of I know you don't want to talk about this,
but I'm going to ask you to talk about this.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
I look, look, there's no way to treat her fairly.
Speaker 7 (47:39):
The only people that are treating her fairly are the
WNBA players because you're coming in and everybody has said
you are all that. And if I'm a WNBA player
and everybody's saying you're gonna take over this league, I've
already been here. I've already been playing like you're gonna
have to show me and I'm and this is how
(47:59):
she's being treated by NBA w NBA players. Is is
no different than any great player coming into the league.
They all get tested, and particularly when they're a skilled
player and they're not very strong, what are you gonna do.
You're gonna be physical with them. That's that's just the
nature of the game. It's not headhunting or any of that. So, look,
(48:21):
we can't treat her fairly because we've never had a
player that's had her popularity coming into the league, and
so it's it's they're going to be missteps figuring out
as they.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Go, and like Lebron didn't wait into social issues when
he was twenty two.
Speaker 7 (48:38):
Michael, nor were we asking him, Yeah, but now we
ask him all the time, and that even that's not fair, Like, yeah,
it's not great.
Speaker 6 (48:48):
The media's fault, yeah, media, not us. The media, that media.
You blame all of us. We're all guilty.
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