August 1, 2024 • 54 mins
Colin reflects on the USA men’s and women's teams being more self-aware and selective of their players. Drafting a quarterback in the first round breeds a higher chance for failure than success. WNBA has a new competitor on the horizon as a new basketball league starts next year changing the focus on stars rather than the league, and Colin brings you his Over/Unders for the upcoming NFL season! Plus, Chris Broussard joins the show to talk all things USA men’s basketball
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
All Right, here we go live in Los Angeles. It's
the Herd wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
One hour from now, Jmack and I do our over unders.
Five teams for both of us we think are better
than the projected wind total we may be giving away.
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Let us today lots of it, and then five teams
we think are overvalued. It's our over under segment. It's
a one time only. It's happens in one hour from now.
I got my I got my gum my new dynamite
gum I take. I got a lot of energy. J Mack,
I'm ready to go to them. Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, instead of watching the Olympics last night, I was
digging into over unders.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
We got we got some winners for sure, and some
other ones I'm not so sure.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
But yeah, we're doing five each and after about three,
come on, I'm crossing my fingers on a couple. But
I want to make it challenging. We're not about being right,
We're about making it interesting. So we have ten total teams,
and you know, Vegas doesn't make ten mistakes. That's a
third of the league. But we'll have some fun with it.
So the United States States beats South Sudan yesterday, and
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what was interesting is Joel Embiid did not play, and
South Sudan's best player was a center, and supposedly our
best center did not play. So it's like been an
awakening for Joel Embiid, except a bad one is that
everybody at the Olympics has to qualify the Olympics, you know,
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except basketball players men's and women's. Caitlin Clark apparently wasn't
good enough. Joel Mbiid should have been the first team center.
And then by the second exhibition game you realized Bam
out to buy you and Anthony Davis not only fit better,
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are they better. I mean that's how you select the
men's and women's team. It's subjective. I hope this person fits.
Jalen Brown, MVP of the Finals, No thanks, Derek White,
fourth best player for the Celtics. You bet. Tatum's great.
Doesn't get a minute in some games, but Embiid not
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playing to me is a sign the league is finally
getting it on a world global stage. He doesn't fit
and in Philadelphia and here he can clog up the offense. Now,
some of this is and he's got some really really
good skills for his size, but the NBA media tends
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to annoyed stars superstars before they really are. Jah Moran's
a great example. He's a tiny, tiny, thin player, like
go under one hundred and eighty five pounds. He's small,
so what's that mean? You better be able to shoot?
He can't. His best three point percentage hear is thirty
four percent. Gets hurt a lot. He's immature. I understand
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that players come into the league early, so I'm not
going to bang on him too much for that. But
the reality is I was told he was going to
take over the league. He can't take over his division,
forget his conference. Derek Rose, I was told for a year,
Derek Rose, this is the future again. Tiny player that
can't shoot. His career three point shooting is thirty two percent.
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In Chicago it was thirty. This is not the seventies
and eighties where slam dunks define you. You got if
you're under six ' five. In this league, you either
have to be unbelievable defender, distributor, or you gotta shoot.
Joe LMB doesn't defend like Anthony Davis. He's not nearly
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as athletic, doesn't run the floor like Yannis. He doesn't
have the layers and the dexterity and the shooting and
passing of Jokic, And although he has some qualities of shack,
he doesn't dominate and win like him. We are seeing
an awakening people finally acknowledging he clogs up it. We've
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always blamed the coaches and his teammates in Philadelphia, but
now we have Spolstra and Steve Kerr and Lebron and
Stephan Ad and it doesn't work. He's been annoyted to
something he's not. He's really talented and productive, but the
regular season, he's a big body. People don't even want
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to take charges in the regular season. They get out
of the way. Lots of easy baskets and his size
and his ability eight feet into scores, going to get
points and rebounds. But right now he's a thirty year
old with a mountain of injuries who has yet to
prove he doesn't get in the way with other great
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players and he doesn't necessarily elevate others. The Sixers, as
they've built around him, have yet to win a second
round playoff series in the East, which is like the
Big Twelve of college football in the East. He can't
win a second round playoff series, and that's been eight years.
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Young Celtics, dysfunctional, Knicks, Pacers rebuilding, Lebron leaves Miami, Kawhi
leaves Toronto. The East has been wide open for almost
a decade, and he can't win a second round playoff series.
What you're seeing is what he is productive. But basketball
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in the Olympics is something you don't have to qualify
for or it's subjective and people are influenced by popularity
and production. This, to me is what the critics of
enbeat have been saying, and there's not many look at him.
With one coach in Philly or another teammate in Philly
or now the world's best players, he gets in the way.
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So people draft their quarterbacks in the first round. And
you know this, I'm not telling you anything. When you
draft a quarterback in the first round, there's a much
greater chance he misses then becomes Lamar Jackson or Josh
Allen or Mahomes, much greater chance. You go to the
last decade, it has been I think thirty two quarterbacks
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drafted in the first round. There's been seven stars and
seventeen misses. Drake May sounds like it's not going well
in New England. According to Michael Hawley, somebody I know
trust and respect. He said, I went to recent practices.
I wanted him to be Justin her Herbert and Josh
Allen because those were the comps. But what I saw
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was the ghost of Matt Jones. He could couldn't do
anything right. Sorry to laugh. There's another story that Joe Milton,
he was the quarterback fun to watch from Tennessee. Six round,
they drafted two quarterbacks. That Milton has a wow factor, big,
stronger arm than May, more athletic than May. And everybody's
looking thinking is the sixth round guy better than the
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first round guy? But part of it is this take
out the Randy Moss years three years. Even with Brady, Gronken,
Edelman and no Moss, New England was never an offensive culture.
It was briefly with Randy Moss, but it was a
do your job sacrifice for the team, even paycheck. It
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was never an organization of offensive creativity abundance. Joy that's
Kansas City, that's San Francisco, that's the Rams. Sometimes it's Philadelphia,
it's not New England. Here's a prime example. With the
greatest quarterback in the history of the sport. They went
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to nine Super Bowls in New England. Do you know
how many touchdowns they scored in nine first quarters? None?
In fact, in nine Super Bowls with Brady, with Tom Brady,
they scored total three points in the first quarter. Why
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because they were always a play it safe, don't make mistakes,
hyper efficiency, will outsmart and out coach them. Again, the
Randy Moss ears briefly were different. So Drake may comes
into an organization they don't know offense is a defensive culture.
And they hired girod Mayo, who's Belichick mantras terms belief system.
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So this was always going to be the toughest lift
for any of these quarterbacks. I said, whoever Minnesota gets
JJ McCarthy is bound to succeed. Great offensive head coroach,
great left tackle, a superstar receiver, good running backs, capable
old line. JJ McCarthy would have to stink to not
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be eventually pretty successful. And whoever goes to New England
will struggle. I mean, PFF ranks New England's wide receiving
corps all Belichick drafted as thirty second, PFF ranks their
running back group all Belichick drafted as twenty fifth, their
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offensive line as twenty eight. What does that tell you
that the sixth round quarterback Joe Milton is going to
probably win the job because he's the athlete. He's the bigger, stronger, faster,
more dynamic athlete, and they don't have any wide receiver
tied end at running back. So when I read this story,
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my take is yet Joe Milton will make plays. Listen,
Kirk Cousins in RG three back in twenty twelve, got
drafted by Washington and they figured out by year two
Cousins is the guy. I think that's what we're looking
at now. I don't think I'm overreacting. I think when
you look at the historical culture of New England. And
then they basically hire Belichick's favorite guy. And Belichick's guy
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is a defensive guy, and defensive coaches see the world
from a don't make mistakes, efficient run the ball when
you have a lead, eat up the clock. That kind
of mantrak could work with a Josh Allen level player.
But Josh is a playmaker. He can overcome some of
that conservative coaching.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
C J.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Strouds got a conservative coach. CJ. Stroud's talented enough to
overcome that. But Drake May at his best was a project.
Everybody knew that bad feet, not refined, miss easy throws,
got some Herbert qualities. There's no question. I leaned on
my NFL execs. What do you see? They said, there's
a little Herbert, big tall, good arm, pretty smart kid.
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But when you enter a defensive culture where they just
hired another defensive coach, they have no playmakers. Don't be
shocked if Joe Milton wins this job or gets a
lot of snaps this year. So J mack I saw
another story with the Jets, Another story with a Jets. Yeah,
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I hope they're good because they become a content factory
for US but I a little disappointing the news. I'm here.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Well, come week one again San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Nobody's gonna remember the argument between Rogers and Garrett Wilson
or the Egypt trip.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
All that stuff goes out the window.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
It's fun off season fodder though. And you don't get
your yucks. That's a word, right, toys.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Man?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
That gumised right? Turned around the show. I've got such
great energy today. I don't even they're not even a sponsor.
What am I doing? I gotta stop talking, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I I quit coffee earlier this year, remember, and I've
started started to want to go back to it recently.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Don't you get that energy? Because I need to match
your energy.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Don't you like coffee though? Don't you like?
Speaker 6 (12:20):
I love it?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
But I don't.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
I don't like the coffee. I like the white chocolate mocha.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
You know, Oh that's awful. Sugar drink. Those are care
They're bad for you. Yeah, I just like this. I
like the smell of coffee.
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Speaker 1 (12:57):
Your area off of the hour fifteen minutes from now
are over unders a one time showing five teams we
think are better than projections, five teams we believe are worse.
Fifteen minutes from now, Diana Russini stops by top of
the hour as well, the latest of the NFL camps.
So Sean Payton used to work at Fox, great turnaround
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artist in New Orleans. Now with Denver first year inherits
Russell Wilson. He makes Russell Wilson about as good, in
my opinion, as you're gonna make Russell Wilson. At this point,
the defense is awful. That's not Sean's issue. He didn't
draft it. The organization gave up big draft capital to
get Russell Wilson, so he inherited. I've said this before.
When I heard that Sean Payton took the job, my
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take was wait one year and take the Chargers job.
Brandon Staley's not gonna last. But Harbaugh got that. He
took a lot of money, and so I think Denver
is not a turnaround job, like it's gonna take some time.
And the Russell Peyton thing I never thought was gonna work.
They're just totally different people. Sean Payton is intense, in
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your face, matter of fact, like him or not authentic.
Russell's different, more protective, more optimistic. He's just a different cat,
not a bad, just different. It was never gonna work.
And so now he gets bow Nicks. This is his quarterback.
And before the draft I had projected I think of
all the quarterbacks that match what Denver needs and what
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Sean needs and will be available, I would take bow Knicks.
I think he's got some Drew Brees Teddy Bridgewater qualities
and Sean was good with both. And so here's so
far at camp boon Nicks is now looks like he's
pulling away from Zach Wilson, Jarrett Stidham. Here is Sean
and what he sees.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
I mean, we'll see the tape and evaluated, but I
thought overall pretty well. I mean, you know there are
clips plays where you're going to look at and correct,
and then there's others where you're going to say, hey,
he ran with the ones and progress.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
So here's one of the things I've learned in life.
If you have a strong personality Sean Peyton, Jim Harbaugh,
people are gonna give you. You get no patience. I mean,
it's insane. Harbaugh took over Michigan. The first year, he
doubled the wind total, but he was doing recruiting trips
in Rome. He was sleeping over at recruits house. He
had a big personality, defiant and I mean by year three,
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people were bailing on Jim Harbaugh. Idiotic, like he can't
coach Sean Payton. Literally, the Saints were the worst franchise
in the league. In fact, I'd argue, along with the Clippers,
they were the worst franchise in America maybe North America
for like twenty five years. And literally he turned him
around very quickly. He knows what he's doing. But Harbon,
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Michigan was not a one year turnaround. It took them years,
probably six years until they had like an sec level roster.
And Denver's not a quick turnaround. They gave up draft picks,
salary cap. It's a mess, and so first year, he
got Russell as good as he's gonna get. I think
you saw Russell as good as he's gonna get. He
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was able to move him. And now they start over
and bo Nix isn't going to turn the world on
fire as a rookie in a division with Herbert and Mahomes.
But here's what's interesting. One of the I saw him
play live twice bo Nicks, and I liked him. It's
very good in both games, made no mistakes, super accurate.
What I like about him is he has sixty one
college starts. But you know, I was thinking about it
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this morning. Does it matter? So Trey Lance, arguably or inarguably,
Trey Lance did not have enough college starts. The Niners
wanted a more polished, refined quarterback with a currently great roster.
They just didn't have the patience for him, so they
got rid of him. But the twenty twenty two draft
was a mixed bag, brought purty forty six starts. Clearly
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that helped him because the Niners again have a super
Bowl roster. They just lost patience with Trey Lance. They're like, hey, listen,
we're not interested in a three year bill. You got
to be good now. Perdy was good now because of
all the college starts. But Kenny Pickett had like forty
nine college starts, couldn't play. Desmond Ritter same class had
forty nine college starts. Didn't matter, couldn't play. I mean
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before bow Knicks, Colt McCoy had the most college starts.
It didn't matter. Not a franchise guy. So the idea
that all these college starts matter. Kyler Murray had seventeen,
he can play. Daniel Jones same draft had thirty six.
Camp Joe Burrow only had twenty eight. Doesn't matter, he
can play. So the bottom line is talent is the
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most important thing. Here's what I do believe a large
number of starts gives you. If you view general managers
as detectives, their job is evidence before a draft. They
want your they want your character, they want your injuries,
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they want your bad habits. General managers in the NFL
view them as detectives. The more evidence equals the stronger
case for any detective, even a GM playing a detective.
So you have a stronger case for your quarterback that
you sell to the owner and the coach. Yeah, Maholmes
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had a lot of snaps in the Big twelve, made
a lot of mistakes through picks, but at some point
Brett Veach says that workouts. We got a lot of
evidence here that the guy's unbelievable. And so with bow
Nick sixty one starts, you have a lot of evidence.
Doesn't have a big arm, a little small, but super accurate.
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If you dial up a play, he'll get the ball there.
And he does have some mobility. He moves a little
better like Zach Wilson. He can move a little bit.
He's athletic, he's tough. He took some hits at Auburn
and Oregon. So you've got a lot of evidence. But
I will say this to me with bow Knicks, and
this this was with Trey Lance. Kyle Shanahan just lost patience.
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We don't know what Trey Lance could become. He just
lost patience because the roster was so great. What also
helps bo Nicks is that Sean Peyton doesn't have a
great roster, and so you can't say, well, I mean,
look at the roster. So bo Nicks comes into a
situation where Sean has already bailed on a Super Bowl
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winning quarterback. He is been pitching to his staff. This
is the guy. So Sean Payton's gonna have at least
two years of patience with bo Nicks. That's why I
think one of the reasons it will work is not
the college starts, but Sean Payton by year three he's
safe now, but by year three, after this year, he
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got to put up some wins and so he can't
bail on another quarterback. So he already sold to the organization.
We're not winning big with Russ. Let's get rid of him,
and Sean has the leverage and power to do that.
You can't do it with a second quarterback. You're gonna
start losing the GM, the coach, the owner, You're gonna
lose the owners, You're gonna lose people upstairs. So I
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think one thing Boonicks has going for him is patience.
Sean Payton, who's not an overly patient guy, will exhibit
patience here with bo Nicks, and that will be his
greatest ally. He doesn't throw a great deep ball, never will.
You're never gonna run around like Lamar. You're never gonna
be big now about the same size as Colt McCoy.
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But I think he's got I think he's a better player.
I think he's more mobile, more athletic. But I think
a lot of these things when you're not a superstar talent,
you can't be difficult and hard to coach, and you
can't make a lot of mistakes. Bonix doesn't. He's not difficult.
Dad was a coach and he doesn't make a ton
of mistakes. You can make those when you're Lamar Josh Mahomes.
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You can make mistakes and throw picks because we're all
going wow. So a lot of this stuff with quarterbacks
is how long. I mean, Daniel Jones would not be
in New York if not for the mar The Marra
family told the GM and the coach. I see some
Eli manning. So this stuff is not just he can
play or he can't. It's not really about your college stars.
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How patient is the coach's what's the runway? What's the
owner think? What's your timetable? And I think Bonix isn't
talented enough to be difficult or be on a very
short leash. He needs two full years maybe three, to
show you once the once the roster gets better, I
can win games. I can win games. But I don't
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think he's gonna burst through and if that was the situe,
if he had the Niners roster, he'd win more games,
but they'd be much less patient. That's the reality of
this league, all right. So top of the hour, you
know what we're doing over unders. There's also a story
in women's basketball today which is fascinating. Remember what the
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live tour did the PGA. The PGA players felt like,
we're not paid enough, and that enabled the inefficiencies. With
the PGA enabled to live to her to go, guys
will pay a bigger purses and all the stars, most
of the stars left the PGA. You see this new
uh women's basketball league called the Unrivaled Basketball League, started
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by two former WNBA players.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
And they're paying Page Buckers a bunch of money. Right,
She's like some small ownership stake to Yukon.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
She's going to make more for the Unrivaled Basketball League,
significantly more than Caitlin Clark's going to make for the WNBA.
So it started by Brianna Stewart and uh Nafisia Collier.
So the w NBA players, huh, this is how it
started with PGA disrupts.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
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Speaker 1 (23:31):
You should take these as the Bible ten for ten Okay,
Colbert's got it all right. It's our version of over under.
So they're called future bets. At Vegas Draft Kings, the
big companies say, hey, here's a number, like, for instance,
nine and a half, and DraftKings is you have to pick.
Do you think your team will win over that number
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or under that number? So it's over unders. It's one
of my favorite things about I love betting these. They're
really fun in college football where you've got three hundred
or one hundred and thirty teams to pick from. But
we got thirty two, So you ready to go? Yeah, yeah,
all right. My first over the Texans over nine and
a half. Listen, it's a good roster and they just
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got better. Stefan Diggs, Joe Mixon, Daniil Hunter, those are
really nice players. I just can't see this team in
this division going eight to nine and nine and eight.
I think they have a rising star in coaching? Is CJ.
Stroud gonna get better?
Speaker 8 (24:28):
Well?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Didn't Joe Burrow get better in his second third year?
Like he'll be better even if it's granually better. Again,
I just like everything except ownership with this team. I
think three straight years they've gotten everything right in personnel,
where New England three straight years has gotten everything wrong.
It may only be a ten to sevent team, but
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I just don't see it as a five hundred team.
I think they're too talented and have too much good
leadership from GM to coach to quarterback coordinator. Those guys
are all They're just gonna outsmart their way to at
least ten wins. That's my first Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Okay, I didn't know we were doing it like this
producer's let me know.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
My first over is Texans over nine and a half
as well, So I don't know if that's good or
bad to start, but Colin, they won ten games last
year and Stroud missed two because he got knocked out
of the Jets game.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Okay, Like, how are they nine and a half?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I don't understand what I'm missing here is everybody gonna
be betting the Texans and maybe there's some regression coming.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I think the division is better. Anthony Richardson should placer
mentally that.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I don't know if he's good, Like we don't think
the Titans are that much better Jags.
Speaker 8 (25:34):
I don't know. I have this.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
The Texans are favored in their first six games, so
they have some newness.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Five new starters on defense.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
So when you're working out the kinks early, it's against
teams you should be. Now they'll need that because the
back half of the schedule is tough, and I think
they're fine to get over ten. I think they're a
ten to eleven win team. I mean, Diggs, Nico Collins,
take Dell is a great team man.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
All Right, here's my first under Titans under six and
a half. There is evidence in the last eight starts
with Mike Rabel, will Levis is not an NFL starter,
fifty seven percent completion percentage, seventy seven passer rating. Now,
I didn't have much to work with, but Rabel's a
good coach. The division I think is going to be better.
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I think Houston, Jacksonville and the Colts will be better.
I liked all three of their drafts. So I look
at their schedule. They open at Chicago and then with
Aaron Rodgers, and they open the Jets will have just
lost to the Niners. So their home opener looks like
an L, and their opener looks like an L. And
once Will Levis is zero and two, the Wolves are out.
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I'll take Tennessee under six and a half.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Okay, my first under is uh, let's say the New
England Patriots under.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Four and a half.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I thought about that.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
That's my favorite under so Colin.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
They're underdogs in every game on the schedule, and if
you look at the lines, it's not even like one
or two. The majority of their games they're over an
underdog field goal by my field goal, meaning like the
market doesn't trust these guys at all. New quarterback, new OC,
new head coach. We're already seeing defensive injuries to bar Moore,
issue with Judahon. I don't like the Patriots at all.
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This could be two or three win team.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
My next over Denver five and a half. I've said
this over and over. First of all, they got rid
of Jerry Judy and Russell Wilson. I'll argue the locker
room will be better. Secondly, the offense wasn't the issue.
They drafted another receiver, Mims ends up being very good.
They won eight games last year. I do not think
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their roster is as bad as everybody says. PFF has
a top ten offensive line. Bow Nicks is accurate, smart
and coachable. He'll move the chains. I don't think he'll pop,
but he'll move the chains. And again, the Raiders could
be the worst team in the league. I just cannot
see this team going five and twelve. I can see
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him going seven and ten. I can see them not
going five hundred. But the bar is so low five
and a half. The defense, by the way, they paid
attention to that as much as they could in the draft.
I think they're a seven to eight win team.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
All right, I'll go Panthers over five and a half wins. Now,
this was four and a half and it was bet
up to five and a half Collins, So somebody out
there really loves Carolina. How about this stat Last year
they went two and fifteen. They did not lead in
the fourth quarter at all. Last season, both wins were
on the final play of the game. This is a
team that nobody wants to touch. And you know how
we feel sometimes when absolutely nobody wants any part of
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a team. Give it to me, easy schedule. I like
Dave Canalis to help Bryce Young get better. I like
the Panthers over five and a half.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I'm gonna take the Chiefs under eleven and a half
with Harbaugh in the division with Herbert, you're gonna lose
one of those games. They lost Leagerius Snead their top
corner Harrison, butkerk comments, Rashi Rice Legal troubles. This is
still a wide receiver corps that I would never trust.
This was a bad team in the middle of the
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seas Week fourteen. Again. They'll be fine eventually, but they're
aging at key spots. Like Travis Kelce the divisions better.
I see him as an eleven and sixteen, ten and seven,
but I do not see them as a top of
the AFC twelve or thirteen win teams spicy.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
I will go under nine and a half on the
Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Just too much newness on the defense and Colin I
love to look at schedule.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Who's gonna bet over unders?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
The final six games of the season for the Dolphins
are tougher than anyone else in the league. Has three
cold weather games and the other ones are just brutal opponents.
So if they're not at like seven wins heading into December,
just forget about it.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
So I like the Dolphins going under nine and a half.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
My next over Minnesota over six and a half. They
won seven games last year with four different quarterbacks. They
have too much talent on offense, and this is a division.
Lions and Packers are not great defensive teams. Bears could
be good, but they're gonna face if you look at
their schedule, some average defenses. Under Kevin O'Connell the head coach,
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the tall Sean McVay, they have the number three passing
offense and they've done this with a lot of different guys.
Donald won't be spectacular, but he'll move the chains. Left tackle,
running back, O line, receiver, tight end. Head coach way
above average. The NFC does not have a lot of stifling,
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dominant defenses. I'm taking this team to be a round
five hundred seven eight nine wins over six and a half.
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I don't have much to add Outlet's just say one
name that jumps out. Their running back situation last year
was just horrendous. They couldn't do anything. I think O'Connell
upgraded that. I like the weapons.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Vikings over six and a half.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Okay, so we both agree with the Viking. Yeah, under
Raiders under six and a half. A mess at quarterback.
They're the only team in the league that doesn't have
their next quarterback. Aiden O'Connell can't move. He's a pocket guy.
Antonio Pierce got the job because in interim position, the
team played really hard, but the defense could regress. They're
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incredibly dependent on Max Crosby, who's amazing, but they need help.
I just don't think it's a very good football team.
I think as harbought. I mean, look at the division.
Andy Reid twice, Sean Payton twice, Jim Harbaugh twice, Antonio
Piers never been a head coach. I think they're a
five or a six win team. I'll take the under
six and a half Raiders.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I got under as well.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I wonder is Crosby and DeVante Adams on this team
in December or that they get shipped at the deadline.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
It's his team's awful.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
This team has no identity, Like I don't even know
who the face of the team is.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
They're just not good. I think the Raiders are a disaster.
I'm with you under six and a half.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Wow, we agree in both My next over Falcons over
nine and a half. Part of this is the division's
a mess. I like Atlanta Kirk Cousins a massive upgrade
over Desmond Ritterer and Taylor Heineke. The O lines top
six according to PFF, and they've got really nice pieces
they couldn't use like Bjeon Robinson, Drake London, Kyle Pitts.
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Just can't get a ball the last couple of years
to those guys. Now those guys are gonna explode. I
think this is potentially a big over, getting close to
the over by Thanksgiving. I think this team could win
twelve games. Wow.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I will go Eagles over as my next and that's
my best bet for an over. Philadelphia Eagles over ten
and a half division vary Suss.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
I think, like you said, the Cowboys fading.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
I think this could be sneaky, the best offense in
the NFC. I know we like Lions and Packers and Rams,
but I'm just this Saquon Barkley edition. We could be
under selling it, Colin. I love the Eagles over ten
and a half.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Okay, this isn't a strong play, but I'll take Cowboys
under ten and a half. I think they're about a
ten to seven team, incredibly reliant on CD Lamb. I
like Tony Palmer gone, I like Michael Gallup gone, I
like Tyron Smith gone. No free agent acquisitions. Don't think
they have any impact players from the draft. They didn't.
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They're getting old. They're still rebuilding the offensive line. Dak
when he throws forty or more times, has a losing record.
This team has one of the weaker running back rooms.
I think Dallas is okay, but I do not see
them as an eleven win team. At best ten or nine.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I'll go Pittsburgh Steelers. We never finished under five hundred.
Give me the under eight.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
And a half for Mike Tomlin. I'm sorry Pittsburgh fans,
hey man, I'm back to you guys. Last year, Canny
pick Att disappointed me. I don't love anything about this
offense this year, I think they're an under eight and
a half win team.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
All right. One of my stronger overs Rams over eight
and a half, Sean McVay has won nine plus games
in six of the seven seasons. Puka Nakua now gives
them a great receiving corps. They bolstered their defense at
corner with Tredevius White, Darius Williams, Blake Coreham. Now they've
got a star running back. This team defensively in their
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front is young, but really really talented. McVeigh maybe the
second best coach in the league. Stafford on any Sunday
is as good as any quarterback in the league. I'm
sorry over eight and a half, this is an easy one.
I see them as a ten eleven win team.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I feel the same way about that New York Jets
over nine and a half smash that.
Speaker 8 (34:07):
I mean, hammer it.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
They're winning the division, Rogers, healthy offensive line, incredible defense,
elite colin.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
My second best over bet on the board Jets over
nine and a half.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Finally, my under, it'll be close. Don't feel really strongly
like I said about the Cowboys, but Niners under eleven
and a half. They've become incredibly dependent Christian McCaffrey. They've
had a very noisy off season. By the way, Kyle
Shanahan has been held under eleven wins in four of
a seven seasons. He's got a losing record without Christian McCaffrey.
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Like I love Kyle Shanahan, but they're very much about
Christian and I think he's had a lot of carries
the last several years. So I think this is a
good team. I would not be shocked if they made
a move at the trade deadline. I think there are
certain limitations bad weather games for Brock Purdy. We saw
that when it was a little rainy in Cleveland. I
think they're a good football team ten or eleven. I
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do not see over eleven and a half. So I'll
take the Niners under eleven and a half.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I have the Niners winning the Super Bowl, but also
under eleven and a half wins.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
It's nothing about it. I don't think the team got worse.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I'm kind of weak, right.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
It's just this is a marathon, not a sprint like
we were close last year. We're gonna make it again,
and if you look at the schedule, it is difficult
with the arrest differential. Whereas they're playing on like a
Monday night, then they got to play Sunday again. The
league really screwed them schedule wise. Warren Sharp has dug
into this and got the numbers. But so I'll go
under on the Niners.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Now, Warren's right about that. When you start getting to
week twelve, thirteen, fourteen, if you don't rest enough, it's
an issue. So there are the herds of favorite NFL futures.
We agree on Texans. We agree on the Texans. We
agree on the under with the Niners. Vikings over yep,
we agree. So we've got some agreements there. These are fives.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
You don't have Patriots.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Interesting. I thought that was I strongly consider the Patriots.
I mean, are it came down to the Patriots or
the Cowboys. But I just think to myself, God, can't
you win five games? It's hard to be four and thirteen.
I mean, you have to be atrocious everywhere. One more Heard.
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live or on demand whenever you like. Very interesting story
with women's basketball. U con star Paige Becker's inks an
nil deal with Unrivaled Basketball League, per a report. So
she's gonna make more money with this new basketball league
two hundred and fifty thousand than Caitlin Clark makes in
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the WNBA. So I preached when you get momentum, when
you get a moment you better take advantage of it.
You better put her in the Olympics, you better ride.
She's Taylor Swift and sneakers. There may not be another
tour like Taylor Swift forever. Ticketmaster, you better be ready,
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and they weren't. So what is this saying? This new league,
it's created by WNBA stars like Breonna Stewart, one of
the better players in the league. It's saying, translation, treat
us better. Brianna Stewart. Her quote when they created this
league was for years women have relied heavily on off
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court sponsorships for a majority of their income. With Unrivaled,
we're prioritizing our stars and ensuring their on court performance
is reflected in their pay. Very say Live golf. Michelson complained,
you started hearing golfers complain about where's all the money going.
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Why are we not respected? Why are stars not taken
care of? You've seen this with all Bellatar with the UFC,
this is where rivals happened, the ABA, with the NBA,
that's where it comes from. Take care of your stars.
They move to a different you know, platformer league. So
you don't get You're not gonna get another Caitlin Clark.
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You're not getting another one. So you get her in
the All Star Game, the three point shooting contest, the Olympics.
We all know she's good enough to be on the
Olympic team. The other last gamers two ago they played Japan.
Japan didn't have a player taller than six to one.
I mean, it was insane. It was it was jv
against the varsity. It was like, you couldn't have Kitlin
Clark eight minutes it would have helped. And and by
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the way, to that point, of the six women's Olympic
basketball games, the least attended Olympic game was a USA
vers Japan, The most dominant dynasty in Olympic history was
the least attended. Why Caitlin Clark wasn't there, didn't she
wasn't going to be a distraction it's a distraction. She's not.
So this is the WNBA. They're they're you know, they're
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still playing classic rock and you got Taylor Swift on
your hands. What are you doing? But I mean Diana
Tarassi at one point went overseas for a year. She
went overseas for a year to play one of their stars.
So when it comes to WNBA, the Caitlin Clark early
schedule was awful. They didn't pay for her to get
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into the three point shooting contest. They didn't put her
on the Olympic team. You get one Bryce Harper, a
high school kid good enough to play in the majors,
Like you get one Tiger Woods. We've hurt for twenty years. Oh,
this guy's going to be the next Rory mcor No, No, no,
one Tiger Woods. There's not going to be another tour
in America like Taylor Swift for twenty years. So this
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is what live Golf was. You gotta take care of
your stars. Phil Mickelson complained about it for years. That's
one of the reasons I supported Live Golf. What's the
loyalty to the PGA. They don't control the Masters all
the tournament. I like watching aren't controlled by the PGA, USGA,
you know, Saint Andrews, the British Open just san J Mack,
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keep your eye on this, this unrivaled league. This is
star wnb A players saying you're not taking care of us.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Interesting take. I'm reading about the league now. So it's
a three on three basketball league.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Paying more than WNBA.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Do you remember when Ice Cubes League, let's.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Say AM's three three ball or something. Yeah, Big three, Yeah,
Big three.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
They invited Caitlin Clark to play, and we're gonna pay
her money and she said no. I mean, I'm not
saying that this idea came out of that, but I
wonder if they saw the money being offered to Kate
Clark by Ice.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
C well, the Ice Cube League. One of the fundamental
issues is the NBA does pay it stars. Yeah, so
I mean, why would you in the NBA go there.
Because the NFL pays it stars, Baseball pays it stars,
Hockey pays it stars. The w NBA does not.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Well, that's because I think the NBA owns them and
basically was like, the WNBA is a losing product financially
for the NBA for years.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
But they've set up a structure financially where they don't
even pay their stars.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
Well, i mean, how much can you pay them when.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
The league's losing money every year?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Well, it was for a while, a lot, a lot
when it's subsidized by somebody else. Yeah, I'm sure the
NBA by the way, even you know you w NBA
was subsidized. You got to pay your stars or your
stars will leave. It's like the movie business.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
You pay Okay, where were they going to go?
Speaker 8 (41:22):
Okay, you want to go play?
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Well, now they go over seas, goes to Russia?
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Had that work out?
Speaker 8 (41:27):
Like?
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Well, you know, but that was I mean, the bottom
line is, where are you going to go overseas? The
only way for the w NBA to succeed, the only
way was to maintain your stars.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Well, the only way is to make money on them.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
No, that's not true. A lot of companies sell not profitable.
That's not true.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Okay for how long though?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Well, I'm saying the Athletic sold for four hundred million.
It loses forty million a year. It's still losing forty
million years it's viable because they have a no, they
still lose his money. It's sold and it's viable because
it has top riders. They they take care of their
top writers.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
So WNBA has been around twenty years now, Yeah, twenty
is and they were.
Speaker 8 (42:05):
Losing money every year.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
Who's gonna put more money into that?
Speaker 1 (42:08):
It's not it's subsidized.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Yeah, exactly. The NBA saying, hey, well they're not a
little bit. Well we're not putting a lot, we're not
paying whoelse.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Well that's why I continually say, when you do get
a Caitlin Clark, ye, now, don't slow build it. You
put her into everything. You pay her whatever you're got
to pay to get her. In the three point shooting contest,
there is no no. The answers, yes, there is no no.
What do I have to pay to make you play?
Everybody's got a number, including Caitlin Clark. I need rest
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four million, I need Rest six. I don't need rest
our three.
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Speaker 1 (42:49):
First things first, I was just talking to Chris Brusard
off the air about Team USA and he started talking.
I said, stop, stop, stop, save this for the air.
So you're telling me you are torn, You're torn with
Team USA. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 9 (43:09):
Yeah, and it's not about any individual player we'll get
in the Tatum and nbat, I guess. But I'm torn
for this reason. I want us to win, of course,
win the gold medal, but when we blow everybody out,
I'm not that interested.
Speaker 8 (43:24):
Like I want close games, I want.
Speaker 9 (43:27):
Some nail biers, I want some drama, or I'm not
really interested when we're winning by twenty six and forty.
We haven't won by forty yet, but you know, I
just am not interested. So that's why I'm torn. I
look forward to every game. I'm excited. Oh, they gotta
face Jokic.
Speaker 8 (43:43):
Oh.
Speaker 9 (43:44):
South Sudan played them tough in the exhibition, and then
they blow them out and it's like, I'm not really
interested come second half. So that's why I'm torn. I
want close games, but I want us to win.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
If i'm you know, the Tatum thing is funny, so
that this is at about me. I'm not trying to
be a psychologist here, but I do believe Brad Stevens,
the GM of the Celtics, has told us what he
thinks of Tatum as a general manager. And it and
I'll and I'll and I'll lay this out for you, Chris.
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It was it's okay in the eyes of Brad Stevens
if Jalen Brown takes over some late game situations because
Jalen's great. It was when Marcus Smart took the ball
out of his hands too late that Brad went time out, Okay,
we got to get Marcus out of here. And that
and I think Brad realized when you put him in
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big situations, either with or against other alphas, at times
he shrinks. And when I watch him in this group,
there are times he's on the floor, I can't notice
him there. I mean again, he's B plus at everything,
ball handling, defense A minus to B plus and everything.
But I do think Brad Stevens is acknowledging and telling
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us what he thinks of him. He really likes him,
he may not always love him in big spots, and
that he's collaborative more than a killer, the more than
I'm gonna grab you by the throat. Jalen Brown's less talented.
He is that. And I think I watched Tatum and
this is confirming what I believed about him for about
four years. What say you on Tatum?
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Now?
Speaker 9 (45:25):
I feel like Tatum for I don't know why necessarily,
but this dude, I think he's judged unfairly.
Speaker 8 (45:34):
I think he is over scrutinized.
Speaker 9 (45:37):
Now, I got while Lebron was over scrutinized because he's
one of the best players we've ever seen, if not
the best.
Speaker 8 (45:43):
But Tatum is not in that class.
Speaker 9 (45:46):
And yet I feel like everybody holds him to that standard.
I mean, yes, he like most even great players, he
has had his bad moments in the playoffs or even
in the finals Larry Bird and Magic Johnson and I
could go on and on and on.
Speaker 8 (46:03):
But he's also had huge playoff games.
Speaker 9 (46:06):
You remember a few years ago they go to Milwaukee
down three to two and he puts up forty some
odd points against Philadelphia. What he got fifty points or
something in a in a critical playoff game a couple
of years ago, and then even in the close out
game this year.
Speaker 8 (46:23):
Now I get it.
Speaker 9 (46:24):
The first three games, which obviously set the tone for
the series, Jalen Brown played better, but in the close
out game they failed to close him out. In Game four,
Jalen Brown was like six with twenty two something like that,
and Jason Tatum was the Great had the great game,
and Tatum obviously led them his points, rebounds, and assists
throughout the finals. So I just think that he is
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overly scrutinized. I'm not holding anything in Team USA against him, remember,
because people that might say he shrinks, you know, he's
with other alphas and he can't play with Team USA.
Speaker 8 (46:58):
Remember in twenty twenty, he was a second leading scorer.
Speaker 9 (47:03):
It was Kevin Durant averaging twenty points, I believe, and
Tatum averaged fifteen. They had Damian Lillard on that team,
Devin Booker bam out of Bayu, and Tatum was the
second guy. In the gold medal game, he drops nineteen points,
second to Durant against France, and that was a close game.
And so I just think for whatever reason, people are
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looking for the negatives with Tatum, and in a sense,
it's good for him if he can look at it
the right way, because it's motivation. You are fortunate when
you have just won a championship and yet you are
you still have a chip on your shoulder, you still
are motivated to win more. That's a blessing because you
avoid complacency. So at the end of the day, I
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think Tatum, this will fuel him to be even better
next year.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Okay, Joe LMBI. So he's not the defender of ad
he's not the shooter and passer of Jokic. He's not
as athletic as Yiannis. He's not as dominant. He has
some shock similarities. He doesn't win the Eastern Conference. Since
Lebron left, it has been wide open, wide open. He
can't win a second round playoff series. They fired coaches,
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They've gotten rid of teammates. Is this an awakening? Is
this a He's a thirty year old with a lot
of injuries that doesn't elevate teammates. It's happened before where
we keep being told somebody Carmelo Anthony, is this this this?
And then by the time they're thirty thirty one, we're like, no,
they're kind of this this this. It kind of feels
like that with him. B does it not?
Speaker 9 (48:34):
Yeah, And everybody, understandably so, is focused on Tatum in
these Olympics. MB's the guy that's really taking the big
l In my view, he looks bad. He looks like
he's in the way, he looks like he's out of place,
he looks like he doesn't know what to do or
is ineffective if the offense isn't built around him, and
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it in, Colin, people have jumped on me because I'm
so adamant about him at time, like a reasonable amount
of the time, go down low, big guy. But now
you're seeing how bad it is because you are surrounded
by four outstanding perimeter players at all times, and here's
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the seven foot three hundred pounder who wants to be
out on the perimeter two and he's just getting in
everybody's way. And so when they take him out, all
of a sudden, everything's flowing much better with Bam or with.
Speaker 8 (49:29):
Ad and so Joel Embiid.
Speaker 9 (49:32):
Right now, Colin, you said it, it's an awakening, was
the term you use. I'll say this, he is beginning
what will be the toughest, most scrutinized stretch of his
NBA career, because there are no more excuses for a
guy that's won an MVP and never, to your point one,
a second round playoff series.
Speaker 8 (49:54):
He has really gotten been free of a lot of.
Speaker 9 (49:58):
The criticism, all right, because he's always injured or even
if he's playing in the playoffs, we know how banged
up he is, or you had James harden New we
know will disappear in big games at times. Or you're
blame Ben Simmons right because he wouldn't shoot the layup,
Or you're blame Doc Rivers because of his playoffs struggles.
Speaker 8 (50:17):
Enough, I'm looking at Joe lmbid.
Speaker 9 (50:20):
Now you got Paul George coming in, you got Tyres,
Maxius Sinding.
Speaker 8 (50:25):
Nick Nurse is a championship coach.
Speaker 9 (50:27):
If you don't get it done, I'm pointing the fingers
at you, big fella.
Speaker 8 (50:31):
I don't care if you're hurt. I don't care if.
Speaker 9 (50:33):
You're seventy percent of yourself in the playoffs. At some
point you have to show up and get it done.
Speaker 8 (50:38):
And so yeah, right now, starting.
Speaker 9 (50:40):
Now, I think people are looking at it like, oh my,
and now he's gonna get scrutinized until he can deliver
a championship.
Speaker 8 (50:47):
And that's what happens to the great ones.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yeah, yeah, are you finally? It's really interesting. I mean
there's been players like Bam Autebayouho's been excellent, Kevin Durant
when he's healthy can be excellent. We all know that stuff,
the very good players. But when I watch this, these
are our best players. And I think to myself, is
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Lebron James the best domestic player in the NBA? Still,
I'm not Santy's Jokis, I'm not Santy's athletic as Giannis.
He may not be as good as Wemby by the
trade deadline, but it is Lebron James this morning the
best American basketball player right now at thirty nine, in
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his twenty second year. Because that's what my eyes tell me.
Speaker 8 (51:34):
Well, I do agree.
Speaker 9 (51:35):
He's the best player on Team USA, like in these Olympics.
On this team, you see, he's the alpha. Everybody's deferring
to him. He's making everything happen, even defensively a lot.
Speaker 8 (51:46):
So he's the best player right now in this team.
Speaker 9 (51:49):
But here's why, Colin, and here's why I would say,
come next season in the NBA, he won't be the
best American player.
Speaker 8 (51:57):
And he wasn't the best American player last year.
Speaker 9 (52:00):
Because this is what six games and if you include
the exhibition's ten games, So for a six to ten
game stretch, no back to backs, yeah, plenty of rest.
Speaker 8 (52:12):
I only have to play twenty five minutes.
Speaker 9 (52:15):
When I got such great I got great teammates with
me right when I'm on the floor and when I
go to the bitch, I got great players on the floor.
Speaker 8 (52:22):
We don't lose the lead. So this is perfect for Lebron.
Speaker 9 (52:26):
When Lebron retires, when Kobe retired, when Jordan retired, it
wasn't that they couldn't go out on any given night
and kind of rekindle the.
Speaker 8 (52:36):
Magic, or even for any stretch of games.
Speaker 9 (52:39):
You just can't do it over the course of five months,
six months, eighty two games plus playoffs, you can't.
Speaker 8 (52:46):
So this is perfect.
Speaker 9 (52:48):
And yeah, in this little stretch, Lebron can be the
best player. But eighty games and then the playoffs he
won't because look at his defense. Look out energize he
is defensively, he can't do that over eighty games, but
he can do it over six at thirty nine. So
I think that's the explanation. I do think a lot
of people are baffled, like, oh my gosh, is Lebron
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still the best play in the world. But I think
this is a clear explanation that, yeah, this small measure
of games, he can go get it done. But eighty games,
one hundred games with the playoffs, no.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
Chris Brussard and by the way, Chris just finished this week.
He fit, he and his family, his wife finished Sopranos
and he was puzzled by the ending. And so if
you want to go on the social team for first
things first, very funny. You know what you know? I
respect it because Chris Brussard doesn't rush to the theater. He
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doesn't rush to the TV, by the way. That's by
the way. He doesn't when there's a new iPhone, he
doesn't rush. He takes his time. In fact, Chris is
announcing later that he's going to break down Game of
Thrones in two years. That's what I respect.
Speaker 8 (54:00):
Probably five years, five years.
Speaker 9 (54:04):
I just finished the Wire before the Sopranos.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
I haven't finished.
Speaker 8 (54:09):
I don't know what's next.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Continue, bro, all right,
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One hour from now, Jmack and I do our over unders.
Five teams for both of us we think are better
than the projected wind total we may be giving away.
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we think are overvalued. It's our over under segment. It's
a one time only. It's happens in one hour from now.
I got my I got my gum my new dynamite
gum I take. I got a lot of energy. J Mack,
I'm ready to go to them. Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, instead of watching the Olympics last night, I was
digging into over unders.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
We got we got some winners for sure, and some
other ones I'm not so sure.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
But yeah, we're doing five each and after about three,
come on, I'm crossing my fingers on a couple. But
I want to make it challenging. We're not about being right,
We're about making it interesting. So we have ten total teams,
and you know, Vegas doesn't make ten mistakes. That's a
third of the league. But we'll have some fun with it.
So the United States States beats South Sudan yesterday, and
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what was interesting is Joel Embiid did not play, and
South Sudan's best player was a center, and supposedly our
best center did not play. So it's like been an
awakening for Joel Embiid, except a bad one is that
everybody at the Olympics has to qualify the Olympics, you know,
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except basketball players men's and women's. Caitlin Clark apparently wasn't
good enough. Joel Mbiid should have been the first team center.
And then by the second exhibition game you realized Bam
out to buy you and Anthony Davis not only fit better,
(02:21):
are they better. I mean that's how you select the
men's and women's team. It's subjective. I hope this person fits.
Jalen Brown, MVP of the Finals, No thanks, Derek White,
fourth best player for the Celtics. You bet. Tatum's great.
Doesn't get a minute in some games, but Embiid not
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playing to me is a sign the league is finally
getting it on a world global stage. He doesn't fit
and in Philadelphia and here he can clog up the offense. Now,
some of this is and he's got some really really
good skills for his size, but the NBA media tends
(03:03):
to annoyed stars superstars before they really are. Jah Moran's
a great example. He's a tiny, tiny, thin player, like
go under one hundred and eighty five pounds. He's small,
so what's that mean? You better be able to shoot?
He can't. His best three point percentage hear is thirty
four percent. Gets hurt a lot. He's immature. I understand
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that players come into the league early, so I'm not
going to bang on him too much for that. But
the reality is I was told he was going to
take over the league. He can't take over his division,
forget his conference. Derek Rose, I was told for a year,
Derek Rose, this is the future again. Tiny player that
can't shoot. His career three point shooting is thirty two percent.
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In Chicago it was thirty. This is not the seventies
and eighties where slam dunks define you. You got if
you're under six ' five. In this league, you either
have to be unbelievable defender, distributor, or you gotta shoot.
Joe LMB doesn't defend like Anthony Davis. He's not nearly
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as athletic, doesn't run the floor like Yannis. He doesn't
have the layers and the dexterity and the shooting and
passing of Jokic, And although he has some qualities of shack,
he doesn't dominate and win like him. We are seeing
an awakening people finally acknowledging he clogs up it. We've
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always blamed the coaches and his teammates in Philadelphia, but
now we have Spolstra and Steve Kerr and Lebron and
Stephan Ad and it doesn't work. He's been annoyted to
something he's not. He's really talented and productive, but the
regular season, he's a big body. People don't even want
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to take charges in the regular season. They get out
of the way. Lots of easy baskets and his size
and his ability eight feet into scores, going to get
points and rebounds. But right now he's a thirty year
old with a mountain of injuries who has yet to
prove he doesn't get in the way with other great
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players and he doesn't necessarily elevate others. The Sixers, as
they've built around him, have yet to win a second
round playoff series in the East, which is like the
Big Twelve of college football in the East. He can't
win a second round playoff series, and that's been eight years.
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Young Celtics, dysfunctional, Knicks, Pacers rebuilding, Lebron leaves Miami, Kawhi
leaves Toronto. The East has been wide open for almost
a decade, and he can't win a second round playoff series.
What you're seeing is what he is productive. But basketball
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in the Olympics is something you don't have to qualify
for or it's subjective and people are influenced by popularity
and production. This, to me is what the critics of
enbeat have been saying, and there's not many look at him.
With one coach in Philly or another teammate in Philly
or now the world's best players, he gets in the way.
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So people draft their quarterbacks in the first round. And
you know this, I'm not telling you anything. When you
draft a quarterback in the first round, there's a much
greater chance he misses then becomes Lamar Jackson or Josh
Allen or Mahomes, much greater chance. You go to the
last decade, it has been I think thirty two quarterbacks
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drafted in the first round. There's been seven stars and
seventeen misses. Drake May sounds like it's not going well
in New England. According to Michael Hawley, somebody I know
trust and respect. He said, I went to recent practices.
I wanted him to be Justin her Herbert and Josh
Allen because those were the comps. But what I saw
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was the ghost of Matt Jones. He could couldn't do
anything right. Sorry to laugh. There's another story that Joe Milton,
he was the quarterback fun to watch from Tennessee. Six round,
they drafted two quarterbacks. That Milton has a wow factor, big,
stronger arm than May, more athletic than May. And everybody's
looking thinking is the sixth round guy better than the
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first round guy? But part of it is this take
out the Randy Moss years three years. Even with Brady, Gronken,
Edelman and no Moss, New England was never an offensive culture.
It was briefly with Randy Moss, but it was a
do your job sacrifice for the team, even paycheck. It
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was never an organization of offensive creativity abundance. Joy that's
Kansas City, that's San Francisco, that's the Rams. Sometimes it's Philadelphia,
it's not New England. Here's a prime example. With the
greatest quarterback in the history of the sport. They went
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to nine Super Bowls in New England. Do you know
how many touchdowns they scored in nine first quarters? None?
In fact, in nine Super Bowls with Brady, with Tom Brady,
they scored total three points in the first quarter. Why
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because they were always a play it safe, don't make mistakes,
hyper efficiency, will outsmart and out coach them. Again, the
Randy Moss ears briefly were different. So Drake may comes
into an organization they don't know offense is a defensive culture.
And they hired girod Mayo, who's Belichick mantras terms belief system.
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So this was always going to be the toughest lift
for any of these quarterbacks. I said, whoever Minnesota gets
JJ McCarthy is bound to succeed. Great offensive head coroach,
great left tackle, a superstar receiver, good running backs, capable
old line. JJ McCarthy would have to stink to not
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be eventually pretty successful. And whoever goes to New England
will struggle. I mean, PFF ranks New England's wide receiving
corps all Belichick drafted as thirty second, PFF ranks their
running back group all Belichick drafted as twenty fifth, their
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offensive line as twenty eight. What does that tell you
that the sixth round quarterback Joe Milton is going to
probably win the job because he's the athlete. He's the bigger, stronger, faster,
more dynamic athlete, and they don't have any wide receiver
tied end at running back. So when I read this story,
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my take is yet Joe Milton will make plays. Listen,
Kirk Cousins in RG three back in twenty twelve, got
drafted by Washington and they figured out by year two
Cousins is the guy. I think that's what we're looking
at now. I don't think I'm overreacting. I think when
you look at the historical culture of New England. And
then they basically hire Belichick's favorite guy. And Belichick's guy
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is a defensive guy, and defensive coaches see the world
from a don't make mistakes, efficient run the ball when
you have a lead, eat up the clock. That kind
of mantrak could work with a Josh Allen level player.
But Josh is a playmaker. He can overcome some of
that conservative coaching.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
C J.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Strouds got a conservative coach. CJ. Stroud's talented enough to
overcome that. But Drake May at his best was a project.
Everybody knew that bad feet, not refined, miss easy throws,
got some Herbert qualities. There's no question. I leaned on
my NFL execs. What do you see? They said, there's
a little Herbert, big tall, good arm, pretty smart kid.
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But when you enter a defensive culture where they just
hired another defensive coach, they have no playmakers. Don't be
shocked if Joe Milton wins this job or gets a
lot of snaps this year. So J mack I saw
another story with the Jets, Another story with a Jets. Yeah,
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I hope they're good because they become a content factory
for US but I a little disappointing the news. I'm here.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Well, come week one again San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Nobody's gonna remember the argument between Rogers and Garrett Wilson
or the Egypt trip.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
All that stuff goes out the window.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
It's fun off season fodder though. And you don't get
your yucks. That's a word, right, toys.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Man?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
That gumised right? Turned around the show. I've got such
great energy today. I don't even they're not even a sponsor.
What am I doing? I gotta stop talking, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I I quit coffee earlier this year, remember, and I've
started started to want to go back to it recently.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Don't you get that energy? Because I need to match
your energy.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Don't you like coffee though? Don't you like?
Speaker 6 (12:20):
I love it?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
But I don't.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
I don't like the coffee. I like the white chocolate mocha.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
You know, Oh that's awful. Sugar drink. Those are care
They're bad for you. Yeah, I just like this. I
like the smell of coffee.
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Speaker 1 (12:57):
Your area off of the hour fifteen minutes from now
are over unders a one time showing five teams we
think are better than projections, five teams we believe are worse.
Fifteen minutes from now, Diana Russini stops by top of
the hour as well, the latest of the NFL camps.
So Sean Payton used to work at Fox, great turnaround
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artist in New Orleans. Now with Denver first year inherits
Russell Wilson. He makes Russell Wilson about as good, in
my opinion, as you're gonna make Russell Wilson. At this point,
the defense is awful. That's not Sean's issue. He didn't
draft it. The organization gave up big draft capital to
get Russell Wilson, so he inherited. I've said this before.
When I heard that Sean Payton took the job, my
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take was wait one year and take the Chargers job.
Brandon Staley's not gonna last. But Harbaugh got that. He
took a lot of money, and so I think Denver
is not a turnaround job, like it's gonna take some time.
And the Russell Peyton thing I never thought was gonna work.
They're just totally different people. Sean Payton is intense, in
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your face, matter of fact, like him or not authentic.
Russell's different, more protective, more optimistic. He's just a different cat,
not a bad, just different. It was never gonna work.
And so now he gets bow Nicks. This is his quarterback.
And before the draft I had projected I think of
all the quarterbacks that match what Denver needs and what
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Sean needs and will be available, I would take bow Knicks.
I think he's got some Drew Brees Teddy Bridgewater qualities
and Sean was good with both. And so here's so
far at camp boon Nicks is now looks like he's
pulling away from Zach Wilson, Jarrett Stidham. Here is Sean
and what he sees.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
I mean, we'll see the tape and evaluated, but I
thought overall pretty well. I mean, you know there are
clips plays where you're going to look at and correct,
and then there's others where you're going to say, hey,
he ran with the ones and progress.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
So here's one of the things I've learned in life.
If you have a strong personality Sean Peyton, Jim Harbaugh,
people are gonna give you. You get no patience. I mean,
it's insane. Harbaugh took over Michigan. The first year, he
doubled the wind total, but he was doing recruiting trips
in Rome. He was sleeping over at recruits house. He
had a big personality, defiant and I mean by year three,
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people were bailing on Jim Harbaugh. Idiotic, like he can't
coach Sean Payton. Literally, the Saints were the worst franchise
in the league. In fact, I'd argue, along with the Clippers,
they were the worst franchise in America maybe North America
for like twenty five years. And literally he turned him
around very quickly. He knows what he's doing. But Harbon,
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Michigan was not a one year turnaround. It took them years,
probably six years until they had like an sec level roster.
And Denver's not a quick turnaround. They gave up draft picks,
salary cap. It's a mess, and so first year, he
got Russell as good as he's gonna get. I think
you saw Russell as good as he's gonna get. He
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was able to move him. And now they start over
and bo Nix isn't going to turn the world on
fire as a rookie in a division with Herbert and Mahomes.
But here's what's interesting. One of the I saw him
play live twice bo Nicks, and I liked him. It's
very good in both games, made no mistakes, super accurate.
What I like about him is he has sixty one
college starts. But you know, I was thinking about it
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this morning. Does it matter? So Trey Lance, arguably or inarguably,
Trey Lance did not have enough college starts. The Niners
wanted a more polished, refined quarterback with a currently great roster.
They just didn't have the patience for him, so they
got rid of him. But the twenty twenty two draft
was a mixed bag, brought purty forty six starts. Clearly
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that helped him because the Niners again have a super
Bowl roster. They just lost patience with Trey Lance. They're like, hey, listen,
we're not interested in a three year bill. You got
to be good now. Perdy was good now because of
all the college starts. But Kenny Pickett had like forty
nine college starts, couldn't play. Desmond Ritter same class had
forty nine college starts. Didn't matter, couldn't play. I mean
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before bow Knicks, Colt McCoy had the most college starts.
It didn't matter. Not a franchise guy. So the idea
that all these college starts matter. Kyler Murray had seventeen,
he can play. Daniel Jones same draft had thirty six.
Camp Joe Burrow only had twenty eight. Doesn't matter, he
can play. So the bottom line is talent is the
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most important thing. Here's what I do believe a large
number of starts gives you. If you view general managers
as detectives, their job is evidence before a draft. They
want your they want your character, they want your injuries,
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they want your bad habits. General managers in the NFL
view them as detectives. The more evidence equals the stronger
case for any detective, even a GM playing a detective.
So you have a stronger case for your quarterback that
you sell to the owner and the coach. Yeah, Maholmes
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had a lot of snaps in the Big twelve, made
a lot of mistakes through picks, but at some point
Brett Veach says that workouts. We got a lot of
evidence here that the guy's unbelievable. And so with bow
Nick sixty one starts, you have a lot of evidence.
Doesn't have a big arm, a little small, but super accurate.
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If you dial up a play, he'll get the ball there.
And he does have some mobility. He moves a little
better like Zach Wilson. He can move a little bit.
He's athletic, he's tough. He took some hits at Auburn
and Oregon. So you've got a lot of evidence. But
I will say this to me with bow Knicks, and
this this was with Trey Lance. Kyle Shanahan just lost patience.
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We don't know what Trey Lance could become. He just
lost patience because the roster was so great. What also
helps bo Nicks is that Sean Peyton doesn't have a
great roster, and so you can't say, well, I mean,
look at the roster. So bo Nicks comes into a
situation where Sean has already bailed on a Super Bowl
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winning quarterback. He is been pitching to his staff. This
is the guy. So Sean Payton's gonna have at least
two years of patience with bo Nicks. That's why I
think one of the reasons it will work is not
the college starts, but Sean Payton by year three he's
safe now, but by year three, after this year, he
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got to put up some wins and so he can't
bail on another quarterback. So he already sold to the organization.
We're not winning big with Russ. Let's get rid of him,
and Sean has the leverage and power to do that.
You can't do it with a second quarterback. You're gonna
start losing the GM, the coach, the owner, You're gonna
lose the owners, You're gonna lose people upstairs. So I
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think one thing Boonicks has going for him is patience.
Sean Payton, who's not an overly patient guy, will exhibit
patience here with bo Nicks, and that will be his
greatest ally. He doesn't throw a great deep ball, never will.
You're never gonna run around like Lamar. You're never gonna
be big now about the same size as Colt McCoy.
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But I think he's got I think he's a better player.
I think he's more mobile, more athletic. But I think
a lot of these things when you're not a superstar talent,
you can't be difficult and hard to coach, and you
can't make a lot of mistakes. Bonix doesn't. He's not difficult.
Dad was a coach and he doesn't make a ton
of mistakes. You can make those when you're Lamar Josh Mahomes.
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You can make mistakes and throw picks because we're all
going wow. So a lot of this stuff with quarterbacks
is how long. I mean, Daniel Jones would not be
in New York if not for the mar The Marra
family told the GM and the coach. I see some
Eli manning. So this stuff is not just he can
play or he can't. It's not really about your college stars.
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How patient is the coach's what's the runway? What's the
owner think? What's your timetable? And I think Bonix isn't
talented enough to be difficult or be on a very
short leash. He needs two full years maybe three, to
show you once the once the roster gets better, I
can win games. I can win games. But I don't
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think he's gonna burst through and if that was the situe,
if he had the Niners roster, he'd win more games,
but they'd be much less patient. That's the reality of
this league, all right. So top of the hour, you
know what we're doing over unders. There's also a story
in women's basketball today which is fascinating. Remember what the
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live tour did the PGA. The PGA players felt like,
we're not paid enough, and that enabled the inefficiencies. With
the PGA enabled to live to her to go, guys
will pay a bigger purses and all the stars, most
of the stars left the PGA. You see this new
uh women's basketball league called the Unrivaled Basketball League, started
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by two former WNBA players.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
And they're paying Page Buckers a bunch of money. Right,
She's like some small ownership stake to Yukon.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
She's going to make more for the Unrivaled Basketball League,
significantly more than Caitlin Clark's going to make for the WNBA.
So it started by Brianna Stewart and uh Nafisia Collier.
So the w NBA players, huh, this is how it
started with PGA disrupts.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I consider myself a die.
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Speaker 1 (23:31):
You should take these as the Bible ten for ten Okay,
Colbert's got it all right. It's our version of over under.
So they're called future bets. At Vegas Draft Kings, the
big companies say, hey, here's a number, like, for instance,
nine and a half, and DraftKings is you have to pick.
Do you think your team will win over that number
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or under that number? So it's over unders. It's one
of my favorite things about I love betting these. They're
really fun in college football where you've got three hundred
or one hundred and thirty teams to pick from. But
we got thirty two, So you ready to go? Yeah, yeah,
all right. My first over the Texans over nine and
a half. Listen, it's a good roster and they just
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got better. Stefan Diggs, Joe Mixon, Daniil Hunter, those are
really nice players. I just can't see this team in
this division going eight to nine and nine and eight.
I think they have a rising star in coaching? Is CJ.
Stroud gonna get better?
Speaker 8 (24:28):
Well?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Didn't Joe Burrow get better in his second third year?
Like he'll be better even if it's granually better. Again,
I just like everything except ownership with this team. I
think three straight years they've gotten everything right in personnel,
where New England three straight years has gotten everything wrong.
It may only be a ten to sevent team, but
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I just don't see it as a five hundred team.
I think they're too talented and have too much good
leadership from GM to coach to quarterback coordinator. Those guys
are all They're just gonna outsmart their way to at
least ten wins. That's my first Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Okay, I didn't know we were doing it like this
producer's let me know.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
My first over is Texans over nine and a half
as well, So I don't know if that's good or
bad to start, but Colin, they won ten games last
year and Stroud missed two because he got knocked out
of the Jets game.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Okay, Like, how are they nine and a half?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I don't understand what I'm missing here is everybody gonna
be betting the Texans and maybe there's some regression coming.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I think the division is better. Anthony Richardson should placer
mentally that.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I don't know if he's good, Like we don't think
the Titans are that much better Jags.
Speaker 8 (25:34):
I don't know. I have this.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
The Texans are favored in their first six games, so
they have some newness.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Five new starters on defense.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
So when you're working out the kinks early, it's against
teams you should be. Now they'll need that because the
back half of the schedule is tough, and I think
they're fine to get over ten. I think they're a
ten to eleven win team. I mean, Diggs, Nico Collins,
take Dell is a great team man.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
All Right, here's my first under Titans under six and
a half. There is evidence in the last eight starts
with Mike Rabel, will Levis is not an NFL starter,
fifty seven percent completion percentage, seventy seven passer rating. Now,
I didn't have much to work with, but Rabel's a
good coach. The division I think is going to be better.
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I think Houston, Jacksonville and the Colts will be better.
I liked all three of their drafts. So I look
at their schedule. They open at Chicago and then with
Aaron Rodgers, and they open the Jets will have just
lost to the Niners. So their home opener looks like
an L, and their opener looks like an L. And
once Will Levis is zero and two, the Wolves are out.
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I'll take Tennessee under six and a half.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Okay, my first under is uh, let's say the New
England Patriots under.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Four and a half.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I thought about that.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
That's my favorite under so Colin.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
They're underdogs in every game on the schedule, and if
you look at the lines, it's not even like one
or two. The majority of their games they're over an
underdog field goal by my field goal, meaning like the
market doesn't trust these guys at all. New quarterback, new OC,
new head coach. We're already seeing defensive injuries to bar Moore,
issue with Judahon. I don't like the Patriots at all.
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This could be two or three win team.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
My next over Denver five and a half. I've said
this over and over. First of all, they got rid
of Jerry Judy and Russell Wilson. I'll argue the locker
room will be better. Secondly, the offense wasn't the issue.
They drafted another receiver, Mims ends up being very good.
They won eight games last year. I do not think
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their roster is as bad as everybody says. PFF has
a top ten offensive line. Bow Nicks is accurate, smart
and coachable. He'll move the chains. I don't think he'll pop,
but he'll move the chains. And again, the Raiders could
be the worst team in the league. I just cannot
see this team going five and twelve. I can see
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him going seven and ten. I can see them not
going five hundred. But the bar is so low five
and a half. The defense, by the way, they paid
attention to that as much as they could in the draft.
I think they're a seven to eight win team.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
All right, I'll go Panthers over five and a half wins. Now,
this was four and a half and it was bet
up to five and a half Collins, So somebody out
there really loves Carolina. How about this stat Last year
they went two and fifteen. They did not lead in
the fourth quarter at all. Last season, both wins were
on the final play of the game. This is a
team that nobody wants to touch. And you know how
we feel sometimes when absolutely nobody wants any part of
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a team. Give it to me, easy schedule. I like
Dave Canalis to help Bryce Young get better. I like
the Panthers over five and a half.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I'm gonna take the Chiefs under eleven and a half
with Harbaugh in the division with Herbert, you're gonna lose
one of those games. They lost Leagerius Snead their top
corner Harrison, butkerk comments, Rashi Rice Legal troubles. This is
still a wide receiver corps that I would never trust.
This was a bad team in the middle of the
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seas Week fourteen. Again. They'll be fine eventually, but they're
aging at key spots. Like Travis Kelce the divisions better.
I see him as an eleven and sixteen, ten and seven,
but I do not see them as a top of
the AFC twelve or thirteen win teams spicy.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
I will go under nine and a half on the
Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Just too much newness on the defense and Colin I
love to look at schedule.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Who's gonna bet over unders?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
The final six games of the season for the Dolphins
are tougher than anyone else in the league. Has three
cold weather games and the other ones are just brutal opponents.
So if they're not at like seven wins heading into December,
just forget about it.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
So I like the Dolphins going under nine and a half.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
My next over Minnesota over six and a half. They
won seven games last year with four different quarterbacks. They
have too much talent on offense, and this is a division.
Lions and Packers are not great defensive teams. Bears could
be good, but they're gonna face if you look at
their schedule, some average defenses. Under Kevin O'Connell the head coach,
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the tall Sean McVay, they have the number three passing
offense and they've done this with a lot of different guys.
Donald won't be spectacular, but he'll move the chains. Left tackle,
running back, O line, receiver, tight end. Head coach way
above average. The NFC does not have a lot of stifling,
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dominant defenses. I'm taking this team to be a round
five hundred seven eight nine wins over six and a half.
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I don't have much to add Outlet's just say one
name that jumps out. Their running back situation last year
was just horrendous. They couldn't do anything. I think O'Connell
upgraded that. I like the weapons.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Vikings over six and a half.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Okay, so we both agree with the Viking. Yeah, under
Raiders under six and a half. A mess at quarterback.
They're the only team in the league that doesn't have
their next quarterback. Aiden O'Connell can't move. He's a pocket guy.
Antonio Pierce got the job because in interim position, the
team played really hard, but the defense could regress. They're
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incredibly dependent on Max Crosby, who's amazing, but they need help.
I just don't think it's a very good football team.
I think as harbought. I mean, look at the division.
Andy Reid twice, Sean Payton twice, Jim Harbaugh twice, Antonio
Piers never been a head coach. I think they're a
five or a six win team. I'll take the under
six and a half Raiders.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I got under as well.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I wonder is Crosby and DeVante Adams on this team
in December or that they get shipped at the deadline.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
It's his team's awful.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
This team has no identity, Like I don't even know
who the face of the team is.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
They're just not good. I think the Raiders are a disaster.
I'm with you under six and a half.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Wow, we agree in both My next over Falcons over
nine and a half. Part of this is the division's
a mess. I like Atlanta Kirk Cousins a massive upgrade
over Desmond Ritterer and Taylor Heineke. The O lines top
six according to PFF, and they've got really nice pieces
they couldn't use like Bjeon Robinson, Drake London, Kyle Pitts.
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Just can't get a ball the last couple of years
to those guys. Now those guys are gonna explode. I
think this is potentially a big over, getting close to
the over by Thanksgiving. I think this team could win
twelve games. Wow.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I will go Eagles over as my next and that's
my best bet for an over. Philadelphia Eagles over ten
and a half division vary Suss.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
I think, like you said, the Cowboys fading.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
I think this could be sneaky, the best offense in
the NFC. I know we like Lions and Packers and Rams,
but I'm just this Saquon Barkley edition. We could be
under selling it, Colin. I love the Eagles over ten
and a half.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Okay, this isn't a strong play, but I'll take Cowboys
under ten and a half. I think they're about a
ten to seven team, incredibly reliant on CD Lamb. I
like Tony Palmer gone, I like Michael Gallup gone, I
like Tyron Smith gone. No free agent acquisitions. Don't think
they have any impact players from the draft. They didn't.
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They're getting old. They're still rebuilding the offensive line. Dak
when he throws forty or more times, has a losing record.
This team has one of the weaker running back rooms.
I think Dallas is okay, but I do not see
them as an eleven win team. At best ten or nine.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I'll go Pittsburgh Steelers. We never finished under five hundred.
Give me the under eight.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
And a half for Mike Tomlin. I'm sorry Pittsburgh fans,
hey man, I'm back to you guys. Last year, Canny
pick Att disappointed me. I don't love anything about this
offense this year, I think they're an under eight and
a half win team.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
All right. One of my stronger overs Rams over eight
and a half, Sean McVay has won nine plus games
in six of the seven seasons. Puka Nakua now gives
them a great receiving corps. They bolstered their defense at
corner with Tredevius White, Darius Williams, Blake Coreham. Now they've
got a star running back. This team defensively in their
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front is young, but really really talented. McVeigh maybe the
second best coach in the league. Stafford on any Sunday
is as good as any quarterback in the league. I'm
sorry over eight and a half, this is an easy one.
I see them as a ten eleven win team.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I feel the same way about that New York Jets
over nine and a half smash that.
Speaker 8 (34:07):
I mean, hammer it.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
They're winning the division, Rogers, healthy offensive line, incredible defense,
elite colin.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
My second best over bet on the board Jets over
nine and a half.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Finally, my under, it'll be close. Don't feel really strongly
like I said about the Cowboys, but Niners under eleven
and a half. They've become incredibly dependent Christian McCaffrey. They've
had a very noisy off season. By the way, Kyle
Shanahan has been held under eleven wins in four of
a seven seasons. He's got a losing record without Christian McCaffrey.
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Like I love Kyle Shanahan, but they're very much about
Christian and I think he's had a lot of carries
the last several years. So I think this is a
good team. I would not be shocked if they made
a move at the trade deadline. I think there are
certain limitations bad weather games for Brock Purdy. We saw
that when it was a little rainy in Cleveland. I
think they're a good football team ten or eleven. I
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do not see over eleven and a half. So I'll
take the Niners under eleven and a half.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I have the Niners winning the Super Bowl, but also
under eleven and a half wins.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
It's nothing about it. I don't think the team got worse.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I'm kind of weak, right.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
It's just this is a marathon, not a sprint like
we were close last year. We're gonna make it again,
and if you look at the schedule, it is difficult
with the arrest differential. Whereas they're playing on like a
Monday night, then they got to play Sunday again. The
league really screwed them schedule wise. Warren Sharp has dug
into this and got the numbers. But so I'll go
under on the Niners.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Now, Warren's right about that. When you start getting to
week twelve, thirteen, fourteen, if you don't rest enough, it's
an issue. So there are the herds of favorite NFL futures.
We agree on Texans. We agree on the Texans. We
agree on the under with the Niners. Vikings over yep,
we agree. So we've got some agreements there. These are fives.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
You don't have Patriots.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Interesting. I thought that was I strongly consider the Patriots.
I mean, are it came down to the Patriots or
the Cowboys. But I just think to myself, God, can't
you win five games? It's hard to be four and thirteen.
I mean, you have to be atrocious everywhere. One more Heard.
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live or on demand whenever you like. Very interesting story
with women's basketball. U con star Paige Becker's inks an
nil deal with Unrivaled Basketball League, per a report. So
she's gonna make more money with this new basketball league
two hundred and fifty thousand than Caitlin Clark makes in
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the WNBA. So I preached when you get momentum, when
you get a moment you better take advantage of it.
You better put her in the Olympics, you better ride.
She's Taylor Swift and sneakers. There may not be another
tour like Taylor Swift forever. Ticketmaster, you better be ready,
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and they weren't. So what is this saying? This new league,
it's created by WNBA stars like Breonna Stewart, one of
the better players in the league. It's saying, translation, treat
us better. Brianna Stewart. Her quote when they created this
league was for years women have relied heavily on off
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court sponsorships for a majority of their income. With Unrivaled,
we're prioritizing our stars and ensuring their on court performance
is reflected in their pay. Very say Live golf. Michelson complained,
you started hearing golfers complain about where's all the money going.
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Why are we not respected? Why are stars not taken
care of? You've seen this with all Bellatar with the UFC,
this is where rivals happened, the ABA, with the NBA,
that's where it comes from. Take care of your stars.
They move to a different you know, platformer league. So
you don't get You're not gonna get another Caitlin Clark.
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You're not getting another one. So you get her in
the All Star Game, the three point shooting contest, the Olympics.
We all know she's good enough to be on the
Olympic team. The other last gamers two ago they played Japan.
Japan didn't have a player taller than six to one.
I mean, it was insane. It was it was jv
against the varsity. It was like, you couldn't have Kitlin
Clark eight minutes it would have helped. And and by
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the way, to that point, of the six women's Olympic
basketball games, the least attended Olympic game was a USA
vers Japan, The most dominant dynasty in Olympic history was
the least attended. Why Caitlin Clark wasn't there, didn't she
wasn't going to be a distraction it's a distraction. She's not.
So this is the WNBA. They're they're you know, they're
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still playing classic rock and you got Taylor Swift on
your hands. What are you doing? But I mean Diana
Tarassi at one point went overseas for a year. She
went overseas for a year to play one of their stars.
So when it comes to WNBA, the Caitlin Clark early
schedule was awful. They didn't pay for her to get
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into the three point shooting contest. They didn't put her
on the Olympic team. You get one Bryce Harper, a
high school kid good enough to play in the majors,
Like you get one Tiger Woods. We've hurt for twenty years. Oh,
this guy's going to be the next Rory mcor No, No, no,
one Tiger Woods. There's not going to be another tour
in America like Taylor Swift for twenty years. So this
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is what live Golf was. You gotta take care of
your stars. Phil Mickelson complained about it for years. That's
one of the reasons I supported Live Golf. What's the
loyalty to the PGA. They don't control the Masters all
the tournament. I like watching aren't controlled by the PGA, USGA,
you know, Saint Andrews, the British Open just san J Mack,
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keep your eye on this, this unrivaled league. This is
star wnb A players saying you're not taking care of us.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Interesting take. I'm reading about the league now. So it's
a three on three basketball league.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Paying more than WNBA.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Do you remember when Ice Cubes League, let's.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Say AM's three three ball or something. Yeah, Big three, Yeah,
Big three.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
They invited Caitlin Clark to play, and we're gonna pay
her money and she said no. I mean, I'm not
saying that this idea came out of that, but I
wonder if they saw the money being offered to Kate
Clark by Ice.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
C well, the Ice Cube League. One of the fundamental
issues is the NBA does pay it stars. Yeah, so
I mean, why would you in the NBA go there.
Because the NFL pays it stars, Baseball pays it stars,
Hockey pays it stars. The w NBA does not.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Well, that's because I think the NBA owns them and
basically was like, the WNBA is a losing product financially
for the NBA for years.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
But they've set up a structure financially where they don't
even pay their stars.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
Well, i mean, how much can you pay them when.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
The league's losing money every year?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Well, it was for a while, a lot, a lot
when it's subsidized by somebody else. Yeah, I'm sure the
NBA by the way, even you know you w NBA
was subsidized. You got to pay your stars or your
stars will leave. It's like the movie business.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
You pay Okay, where were they going to go?
Speaker 8 (41:22):
Okay, you want to go play?
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Well, now they go over seas, goes to Russia?
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Had that work out?
Speaker 8 (41:27):
Like?
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Well, you know, but that was I mean, the bottom
line is, where are you going to go overseas? The
only way for the w NBA to succeed, the only
way was to maintain your stars.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Well, the only way is to make money on them.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
No, that's not true. A lot of companies sell not profitable.
That's not true.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Okay for how long though?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Well, I'm saying the Athletic sold for four hundred million.
It loses forty million a year. It's still losing forty
million years it's viable because they have a no, they
still lose his money. It's sold and it's viable because
it has top riders. They they take care of their
top writers.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
So WNBA has been around twenty years now, Yeah, twenty
is and they were.
Speaker 8 (42:05):
Losing money every year.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
Who's gonna put more money into that?
Speaker 1 (42:08):
It's not it's subsidized.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Yeah, exactly. The NBA saying, hey, well they're not a
little bit. Well we're not putting a lot, we're not
paying whoelse.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Well that's why I continually say, when you do get
a Caitlin Clark, ye, now, don't slow build it. You
put her into everything. You pay her whatever you're got
to pay to get her. In the three point shooting contest,
there is no no. The answers, yes, there is no no.
What do I have to pay to make you play?
Everybody's got a number, including Caitlin Clark. I need rest
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four million, I need Rest six. I don't need rest
our three.
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Speaker 1 (42:49):
First things first, I was just talking to Chris Brusard
off the air about Team USA and he started talking.
I said, stop, stop, stop, save this for the air.
So you're telling me you are torn, You're torn with
Team USA. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 9 (43:09):
Yeah, and it's not about any individual player we'll get
in the Tatum and nbat, I guess. But I'm torn
for this reason. I want us to win, of course,
win the gold medal, but when we blow everybody out,
I'm not that interested.
Speaker 8 (43:24):
Like I want close games, I want.
Speaker 9 (43:27):
Some nail biers, I want some drama, or I'm not
really interested when we're winning by twenty six and forty.
We haven't won by forty yet, but you know, I
just am not interested. So that's why I'm torn. I
look forward to every game. I'm excited. Oh, they gotta
face Jokic.
Speaker 8 (43:43):
Oh.
Speaker 9 (43:44):
South Sudan played them tough in the exhibition, and then
they blow them out and it's like, I'm not really
interested come second half. So that's why I'm torn. I
want close games, but I want us to win.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
If i'm you know, the Tatum thing is funny, so
that this is at about me. I'm not trying to
be a psychologist here, but I do believe Brad Stevens,
the GM of the Celtics, has told us what he
thinks of Tatum as a general manager. And it and
I'll and I'll and I'll lay this out for you, Chris.
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It was it's okay in the eyes of Brad Stevens
if Jalen Brown takes over some late game situations because
Jalen's great. It was when Marcus Smart took the ball
out of his hands too late that Brad went time out, Okay,
we got to get Marcus out of here. And that
and I think Brad realized when you put him in
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big situations, either with or against other alphas, at times
he shrinks. And when I watch him in this group,
there are times he's on the floor, I can't notice
him there. I mean again, he's B plus at everything,
ball handling, defense A minus to B plus and everything.
But I do think Brad Stevens is acknowledging and telling
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us what he thinks of him. He really likes him,
he may not always love him in big spots, and
that he's collaborative more than a killer, the more than
I'm gonna grab you by the throat. Jalen Brown's less talented.
He is that. And I think I watched Tatum and
this is confirming what I believed about him for about
four years. What say you on Tatum?
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Now?
Speaker 9 (45:25):
I feel like Tatum for I don't know why necessarily,
but this dude, I think he's judged unfairly.
Speaker 8 (45:34):
I think he is over scrutinized.
Speaker 9 (45:37):
Now, I got while Lebron was over scrutinized because he's
one of the best players we've ever seen, if not
the best.
Speaker 8 (45:43):
But Tatum is not in that class.
Speaker 9 (45:46):
And yet I feel like everybody holds him to that standard.
I mean, yes, he like most even great players, he
has had his bad moments in the playoffs or even
in the finals Larry Bird and Magic Johnson and I
could go on and on and on.
Speaker 8 (46:03):
But he's also had huge playoff games.
Speaker 9 (46:06):
You remember a few years ago they go to Milwaukee
down three to two and he puts up forty some
odd points against Philadelphia. What he got fifty points or
something in a in a critical playoff game a couple
of years ago, and then even in the close out
game this year.
Speaker 8 (46:23):
Now I get it.
Speaker 9 (46:24):
The first three games, which obviously set the tone for
the series, Jalen Brown played better, but in the close
out game they failed to close him out. In Game four,
Jalen Brown was like six with twenty two something like that,
and Jason Tatum was the Great had the great game,
and Tatum obviously led them his points, rebounds, and assists
throughout the finals. So I just think that he is
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overly scrutinized. I'm not holding anything in Team USA against him, remember,
because people that might say he shrinks, you know, he's
with other alphas and he can't play with Team USA.
Speaker 8 (46:58):
Remember in twenty twenty, he was a second leading scorer.
Speaker 9 (47:03):
It was Kevin Durant averaging twenty points, I believe, and
Tatum averaged fifteen. They had Damian Lillard on that team,
Devin Booker bam out of Bayu, and Tatum was the
second guy. In the gold medal game, he drops nineteen points,
second to Durant against France, and that was a close game.
And so I just think for whatever reason, people are
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looking for the negatives with Tatum, and in a sense,
it's good for him if he can look at it
the right way, because it's motivation. You are fortunate when
you have just won a championship and yet you are
you still have a chip on your shoulder, you still
are motivated to win more. That's a blessing because you
avoid complacency. So at the end of the day, I
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think Tatum, this will fuel him to be even better
next year.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Okay, Joe LMBI. So he's not the defender of ad
he's not the shooter and passer of Jokic. He's not
as athletic as Yiannis. He's not as dominant. He has
some shock similarities. He doesn't win the Eastern Conference. Since
Lebron left, it has been wide open, wide open. He
can't win a second round playoff series. They fired coaches,
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They've gotten rid of teammates. Is this an awakening? Is
this a He's a thirty year old with a lot
of injuries that doesn't elevate teammates. It's happened before where
we keep being told somebody Carmelo Anthony, is this this this?
And then by the time they're thirty thirty one, we're like, no,
they're kind of this this this. It kind of feels
like that with him. B does it not?
Speaker 9 (48:34):
Yeah, And everybody, understandably so, is focused on Tatum in
these Olympics. MB's the guy that's really taking the big
l In my view, he looks bad. He looks like
he's in the way, he looks like he's out of place,
he looks like he doesn't know what to do or
is ineffective if the offense isn't built around him, and
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it in, Colin, people have jumped on me because I'm
so adamant about him at time, like a reasonable amount
of the time, go down low, big guy. But now
you're seeing how bad it is because you are surrounded
by four outstanding perimeter players at all times, and here's
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the seven foot three hundred pounder who wants to be
out on the perimeter two and he's just getting in
everybody's way. And so when they take him out, all
of a sudden, everything's flowing much better with Bam or with.
Speaker 8 (49:29):
Ad and so Joel Embiid.
Speaker 9 (49:32):
Right now, Colin, you said it, it's an awakening, was
the term you use. I'll say this, he is beginning
what will be the toughest, most scrutinized stretch of his
NBA career, because there are no more excuses for a
guy that's won an MVP and never, to your point one,
a second round playoff series.
Speaker 8 (49:54):
He has really gotten been free of a lot of.
Speaker 9 (49:58):
The criticism, all right, because he's always injured or even
if he's playing in the playoffs, we know how banged
up he is, or you had James harden New we
know will disappear in big games at times. Or you're
blame Ben Simmons right because he wouldn't shoot the layup,
Or you're blame Doc Rivers because of his playoffs struggles.
Speaker 8 (50:17):
Enough, I'm looking at Joe lmbid.
Speaker 9 (50:20):
Now you got Paul George coming in, you got Tyres,
Maxius Sinding.
Speaker 8 (50:25):
Nick Nurse is a championship coach.
Speaker 9 (50:27):
If you don't get it done, I'm pointing the fingers
at you, big fella.
Speaker 8 (50:31):
I don't care if you're hurt. I don't care if.
Speaker 9 (50:33):
You're seventy percent of yourself in the playoffs. At some
point you have to show up and get it done.
Speaker 8 (50:38):
And so yeah, right now, starting.
Speaker 9 (50:40):
Now, I think people are looking at it like, oh my,
and now he's gonna get scrutinized until he can deliver
a championship.
Speaker 8 (50:47):
And that's what happens to the great ones.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yeah, yeah, are you finally? It's really interesting. I mean
there's been players like Bam Autebayouho's been excellent, Kevin Durant
when he's healthy can be excellent. We all know that stuff,
the very good players. But when I watch this, these
are our best players. And I think to myself, is
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Lebron James the best domestic player in the NBA? Still,
I'm not Santy's Jokis, I'm not Santy's athletic as Giannis.
He may not be as good as Wemby by the
trade deadline, but it is Lebron James this morning the
best American basketball player right now at thirty nine, in
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his twenty second year. Because that's what my eyes tell me.
Speaker 8 (51:34):
Well, I do agree.
Speaker 9 (51:35):
He's the best player on Team USA, like in these Olympics.
On this team, you see, he's the alpha. Everybody's deferring
to him. He's making everything happen, even defensively a lot.
Speaker 8 (51:46):
So he's the best player right now in this team.
Speaker 9 (51:49):
But here's why, Colin, and here's why I would say,
come next season in the NBA, he won't be the
best American player.
Speaker 8 (51:57):
And he wasn't the best American player last year.
Speaker 9 (52:00):
Because this is what six games and if you include
the exhibition's ten games, So for a six to ten
game stretch, no back to backs, yeah, plenty of rest.
Speaker 8 (52:12):
I only have to play twenty five minutes.
Speaker 9 (52:15):
When I got such great I got great teammates with
me right when I'm on the floor and when I
go to the bitch, I got great players on the floor.
Speaker 8 (52:22):
We don't lose the lead. So this is perfect for Lebron.
Speaker 9 (52:26):
When Lebron retires, when Kobe retired, when Jordan retired, it
wasn't that they couldn't go out on any given night
and kind of rekindle the.
Speaker 8 (52:36):
Magic, or even for any stretch of games.
Speaker 9 (52:39):
You just can't do it over the course of five months,
six months, eighty two games plus playoffs, you can't.
Speaker 8 (52:46):
So this is perfect.
Speaker 9 (52:48):
And yeah, in this little stretch, Lebron can be the
best player. But eighty games and then the playoffs he
won't because look at his defense. Look out energize he
is defensively, he can't do that over eighty games, but
he can do it over six at thirty nine. So
I think that's the explanation. I do think a lot
of people are baffled, like, oh my gosh, is Lebron
(53:10):
still the best play in the world. But I think
this is a clear explanation that, yeah, this small measure
of games, he can go get it done. But eighty games,
one hundred games with the playoffs, no.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
Chris Brussard and by the way, Chris just finished this week.
He fit, he and his family, his wife finished Sopranos
and he was puzzled by the ending. And so if
you want to go on the social team for first
things first, very funny. You know what you know? I
respect it because Chris Brussard doesn't rush to the theater. He
(53:44):
doesn't rush to the TV, by the way. That's by
the way. He doesn't when there's a new iPhone, he
doesn't rush. He takes his time. In fact, Chris is
announcing later that he's going to break down Game of
Thrones in two years. That's what I respect.
Speaker 8 (54:00):
Probably five years, five years.
Speaker 9 (54:04):
I just finished the Wire before the Sopranos.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
I haven't finished.
Speaker 8 (54:09):
I don't know what's next.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Continue, bro, all right,
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