August 7, 2024 • 27 mins
Colin explains why despite the high expectations Bears QB Caleb Williams won't become the latest first round pick to bust in the NFL. He discusses an ESPN report about rifts inside the Eagles and why he saw this coming with head coach Nick Sirianni. Plus Rachel Nichols reports live from Paris to share what it has been like to cover the dominance of the men's basketball team at the Olympics
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
So hard Knocks this different version. We've already seen the
New York Giants hard knocks not great for the team.
Now it's the Chicago Bears hard knocks, and it was
interesting last night. They're much more interesting than the Giants
because they have better players and a rookie sensation at
quarterback Caleb Williams, So this will be much more interesting.
The most interesting part last night was Nick Saban talking
about Eberflus and he's talking about Caleb Williams and his
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concern about his rookie season and Caleb.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Overall, here's my figury on why NSL quarterbacks they are
at such a dramatic right to me, expectations are killer.
This kid, you got, this kid's got so much media,
so much hype, so much expectation on doing well, and
he has to develop so quickly to meet the expectations
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that everybody has for it's almost impossible.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I think it's a really, really good point and that
caleb expectations are be good now. And the truth is
Patrick Mahomes admitted he could read a defense in year three,
but he was winning in year two because he had
the best offensive coach arguably along with Bill Walsh, in
the history of the sport. But Mahomes smart kid, cognitively
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sees it, throws it, lets it rip. Smart kid, year three.
I can read a defense year three. Kenny Pickett done,
They're done, And I'll get to picket in a second.
But I want you to think about it this way.
So in the last decade, I think we've had thirty
two first round quarterbacks. Seven had become stars. Is that
actually a lot? Think of any industry in the country, anything,
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how many great anything are there. There was an article
a couple of days ago, and this is something that
I've talked to my I have a podcast company, and
so these numbers within the podcast industry are true. And
it's been the discussion for the last two years for
people that have podcasting companies or iHeart people that developed
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these big you know, podcasting empires. One percent of podcasts,
one percent everybody's got a podcast. One percent have just
over ten thousand listens a podcasts, which is not a
lot in a country at three hundred and fifty million,
just ten thousand only one percent and most ninety percent
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don't even have two thousand. So how many musical stars
emerge on an annual bases in the country? And I
mean stars Phil and Arena? When to the last movie
star in America? I know Tom Cruise could fill a theater.
Who else can? Honestly, I'm more likely to go to
watch a Christopher Nolan film than I am a movie
star because I trust him more than the star Spielberg
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Christopher Nolan. I'd argue those two directors get me to
a theater after Tom Cruise, I'm not sure who does.
So seven of thirty two quarterbacks are stars sounds alarmingly low.
Are there seven great coaches in the last decade? Are
there seven great pass rushers go to any industry? Seven
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out of thirty two stars? Is that that low? I
mean think about college football Saban's industry. How many great
star coaches are there. Saban's gone, Urban's gone, Chris Peterson's gone,
Harbaugh's gone. Are there seven? They can recruit, They know
their side of the ball. They compete for Natty's or
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their seven. There's one hundred and thirty two programs, maybe
more now. So if you consider it bad coaches, gms
over their skis, impulsive owners, relentless media, and big markets,
it's hard. I mean there's only one team in the
entire league, one team that we look at and go, yeah,
they always get quarterback, right, the Packers, and they with
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their last few draft them or acquire them and then
make them sit for years, like Aaron Rodgers sat for
three years. Jordan Love sat for three years, so they
slow bake them. There's no microwave in Green Bay. Everything's
a slow roast and it works. That points to what
Saban's referring to is that the expectations are high. They
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weren't for Aaron Rodgers you had Farv. They weren't for
Jordan Love, you had Aaron Rodgers. So the one team
that does it right, there's no expectations. The expectation as
you're gonna sit for a while. So I just you know,
prime example, one thing we can all definitively say on quarterbacks,
this is not arguable. They're overdrafted because they're so important
in the NFL, they're overdrafted. Don't give you an example.
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Kenny Pickett. So that was a bad quarterback year. There
was a kid from Liberty and then there was Kenny Pickett.
So I called two gms, these are these are really
good gms, like super Bowl gms. And one of them
said we have a mid third round and one of
them said, like late second, top third round. The Steelers
needed a quarterback. He was a local kid. What do
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you can do? So, I mean Big Ben was very
sensitive about Mason Rudolph for years, and so they were
very reticent to draft the quarterback. So they got trapped
and they went with Kenny Pickett. So that's that's part
of it. The other thing is, I know we have
somebody running for president that likes to screen fake news
whenever it doesn't like compliment him. But the media is
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mostly right when it comes to star quarterbacks. Matt Stafford
was going to be a star, John Elway Andrew Luck
and I'm not talking like Peyton Manning. If you go
look at the NFL where we're like, oh yeah, Bryce
Young wasn't thought of as that. Bryce Young was like,
he's kind of small. We didn't think Herbert mechanical too
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gets hurt. But like Joe Burrow was being compared to
Tom Brady. I can remember coming on this show, Joey
Taylor was here and I was like, what are they
doing to this kid? You can't compare people to Joe Montana. Well,
when he's healthy, he looks like Joe Montana. So and
if you look at the history of when the media goes,
when you start getting thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year old kids
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being talked about as the chosen one, the media is
almost always right. Bryce Harper. I mean, he's going through right,
and he had a at least one hit I saw
last night, but he's just now having the longest slump
of his life. He didn't have it for a long time.
Bryce Harper, Messy lebron serena Tiger Tiger eleven years old
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with IG. Nobody knew about it, but he already had
signed with IMG. IMG just kept it quiet. Eleven years old.
So when the media goes, yeah, that guy's going to
be great. Andrew Luck would still be great today. The
organization was such a mess they couldn't surround it with protection,
and so literally he almost died. So Caleb Williams is
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in that class of when people start saying there's some
Patrick Mahomes here, Joe Burrow, there's some Joe Montana here,
generally we're not talking. I mean, even Trevor Lawrence got
good pub It's not like this. We weren't saying Trevor
Lawrence is like John Elway. We were saying, this kid's
clearly the number one quarterback of the year. So my
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take is Nick is right. But if you really on
a macro level, think in the last decade we've developed
seven star quarterbacks seven and right now in the league
we have I mean, look around the league. If you
count young and old. Stafford obviously was drafted before the
last decade, we got about eleven eleven, twelve star quarterbacks
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in the league. I'm sorry, Jared goff is a he's
a really, really good quarterback. He may be at the
bottom end of that star thing, but he's a star quarterback.
Maybe that's more than we think. Not twelve actors get
me to a theater, I'll say you that.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
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Speaker 1 (08:29):
Welcome in hour two. It's a Wednesday live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day,
Jay Mac. We were talking about this with Hard Knocks.
So the new Hard Knocks has the Bears. The first
Hard Knocks was a Giants And there are moments in
life that you just have to be prepared for. And
when John Mara came in and Joe Shane the general manager,
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and asked him about Saquon Barkley, and you have those
cameras and it's like, dude, if your owner comes in,
you got to have answers. If I meet once a
year with Lachlan Murdock at Fox, I'm buttoned up. Okay,
I'm not just hey, I'm an art cocktail. You go
to dinner with a boss, look them in the eye.
If you have a message, make sure you listen. Like
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there are these moments that are just more important than
other moments, right, And they always say for the quarterback,
it's that Wednesday press conference. They have the bank behind you,
you have Philadelphia Eagles century bank. You don't have that
in the locker room. You have a four million dollar
sponsor behind you, maybe the biggest sponsor, a bank that
the organization has, that the owner has his favorite sponsor.
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He takes that bank ceo to dinner a couple of
times that bank ceo gets access to the locker room
occasionally that Wednesday press or. You're representing not just you,
the bank, the team, the owner, the whole thing. And
these dummies out there that argue, eh, just go with
your hat backwards, spitball and start fires. It's not it.
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And this comes from general managers I've talked to. Baker
Mayfield was good enough. They moved about of Cleveland because
he kept starting fires. It wasn't because he couldn't play.
They didn't decide they didn't sign Deshan Watson to do
a terrible guaranteed contract because they wanted to. It was
the Wednesday presser and the fires starting. And so when
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you're a coach, think about this. I want you to
think about this. So you're a football coach and you
just got an NFL head job, best jobs in the
world in sports, NFL head coach, thirty two of them.
And you have a day as you fly the owner's
private jet to that city. You've got a day. You
tell your wife, let's start looking for homes and schools.
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And you sit there and you make some calls for
staff building. But you you got to prepare speech. Now,
it's only going to be about five minute speech. Seven
minute speech. Then you'll take questions. But it does matter.
That is one of those moments in life, like meeting
the CEO at your company twice year. Have your crap
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buttoned up, don't be a moron. So when Sean mcvay's
press conference, he was thirty years old. I mean, it's
hard to find thirty year olds on staffs. It's hard
to find a thirty year old college coach, not with
the richest owner in the NFL. Stan Cronkey, Remember Sean
mcvay's opening press conference.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Our character will be the foundation, and it'll be the
glue that holds us together as an organization. We're gonna
be committed to our process and we're gonna be committed
to a standard of performance, and those things are gonna
be focused on daily improvement and daily excellence, and that's
what's gonna help guide us on our journey to try
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to achieve a world championship and bring it to this
great city of Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
No teleprompter, totally precise and buttoned up. And that's what
his teams are. Now. I did make fun of Dan
Campbell's presser, but he had a plan and his team
has become exactly what Dan Campbell promised is it would be.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
We're gonna kick you in the teeth, all right, and
when you punch us back, we're gonna smile at you.
And when you knock us down, we're gonna get up.
And on the way up, we're gonna buy a kneecap off,
all right, and we're gonna stand up, and then it's
gonna take two more shots to knock us down, all right.
And on the way up, we're gonna take your other
kneecap and we're gonna get up, and then it's gonna
take three shots to get us down, and when we do,
we're gonna take another hank out of you before before
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long where they're gonna be the last one standing.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
A little over the top, but that is precisely what
the Lions are. One of the most relentless physical teams
in the league. They'll draft the linebacker in a running
back first round. They don't care. They don't care. They're
doing it their way, their ways winning. But I was
critical of Nick Seriani because when he got the job,
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I called to sources. They said, not ready. A story
emerges today from ESPN with multiple sources he and Jalen Hurts.
Jalen Hurts does not respect his ex's and o's what
I was told, and he's losing respect and they don't
get along, and he not well liked, and we've watched
him yell at fans, but remember his opening press conference.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
Next thing that's very important to me is that we
build a smart football team. That we have a smart
football team here, and I know we have the people
in place to do that. The first part of that,
the first part of being smart is knowing.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
What to do. We're gonna we're gonna know.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
We're gonna have systems in place that are easier to learn.
All right, complicated to the defense or offense that they're
going against, or the special teams group they're going against,
but easy for us to learn. Because when we can
put that, because when we can learn our system and
we can get good at our system, then our talent
can take over.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Okay, now I'm exhausted. I don't know what the hell
that is. Makes jd Vance sound like Shakespeare. I can't
take it.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
What is going on?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And that's what the team is. When he lost his
two coordinators, what the hell am I watching? What do
they do well? It matters, knuckleheads. You're gonna have moments
in your life when you got to nail it, when
you got to hit it, when you've got to be great.
There's not a lot of them, thank god, but those
opening press conferences Sean McVay, Demko Ryans, You're like, I
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am got button up. I mean, I'm in TV. I
can talk all day long. That's what I do. I
don't have a teleprompter, but this is what I'm trained for.
Coaches aren't trained for that. And I'm not saying everybody
that's slick behind a mic makes a great coach. But
the story that emerges today is a little over his head,
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a little overwhelmed. Jalen Hurts doesn't like being alone with him,
just saying same thing I say about Wesday Wednesday press
conferences for quarterbacks, especially young ones. You got that seven
million dollars a year bank sponsorship sign behind you. It's
the one press conference of the week that Fox and
ESPN we all run because half the time the locker
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room stuff you can't make it out. The audio is terrible.
But that Wednesday one, that's the one everybody uses. Look
the part, be the part, speak the part, look into
the camera, be smart, don't be argumentative, diffuse, not ignite
saying I know you think I'm a mean guy. But
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it's this story, this, this, this is what I heard
when he got hired. And then I watched the presser
and I'm like, this guy's doesn't know where he's going.
Now you're finding out some of this stuff is like real,
and Jalen Hurts is spawning it. Jalen Hurts, who comes
from I mean, Jalen Hurts comes from Nick Saban and
Lincoln Riley, who can control a press conference. Nobody can.
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He drolls a press conference like mcshabd, like he and
McVeigh at a different standard. Tomlin's great too, by the way,
but Lincoln Riley can get a little snippy, but he
can control press conference. Then you move into that, you
can't blame Jalen Hurts for going what's going on here?
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Speaker 1 (16:54):
Rachel Nichols, she is in Paris for the Olympics. What
a plumber, Simon is? What a great I mean? God Lord,
we're out here banging around.
Speaker 8 (17:06):
I can bring you back up, but again, I can
bring you back some wine. When are we talking here? Colin?
What do you mean mean to do?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
That is great? I was saying earlier that I thought
this was the competition was great, but the intensity, the
focus of our American players, it's been impressive, Like right,
like the games weren't supposed to be this ugly, were they.
Speaker 8 (17:29):
Yeah. I mean, look again, they haven't played. We'll see
a lot from what happens against Serbia. That's one of
the big lights that they're playing in the biggest stage
in the Metal Round where it counts it and maybe
that'll be a tougher, massive matchup. I would expect it
to be. But yeah, absolutely, the way this team has
drilled down, the way particularly Lebron James has drilled down,
we expected it from him just because he's been exceptional
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and everything he does we've seen him play this past year.
We knew that being thirty nine years old was not
exactly a hindrance the way it would be for other players.
You know, there's the country song that goes, I'm not
as good as I once was, but I'm as good
once as I ever was. And I think that that's
true of Lebron these days for sure, is that when
he wants to, when he knows it's the moment to
turn it on, he can do everything he has always
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been able to do. He has the full package available
to him, not all the time anymore, but enough of
the time. And this is one of those times. If
you put him under true serum, would he say that
he thinks this is his last chance to win a
title on a major stage of anything.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (18:28):
Maybe he believes he can do that with the Lakers
in the next couple of years, but he knows he
has the chance to do it right now. You are
seeing that focus that is translated from the rep to
the rest of the team from day one. I just
spent the afternoon today Colin with Grant Hill and he said,
from the day they started practice in Las Vegas, it
has Lebron who's been setting the tone for everyone saying
this is serious. We have to dominate, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I think it's fitting and it makes me happy that
Kad becomes the all time leading score because he's made
some choices in his career I didn't love in terms
of where he's playing. Sometimes he's been great, sometimes not.
It didn't fit as well. But if his career ended
after these Olympics and you said, you know, the all
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time leading scorer is on the Olympics, it's Kevin Durant,
players would go, yeah, yeah, it's Kevin Durant. I think
it means a lot for him. I don't know how
he thinks of it, but how is it viewed by
the players.
Speaker 8 (19:23):
I think it means a tremendous amount to Kevin and
I think you're dead on as usual with his whole
career has been super incredibly impressive. I mean time condenses things,
and when we look back twenty years from now that
the numbers Kevin Durant will have put up at the
titles he won, at the gold medals he won, I
think that his whole resume is going to create a
different feeling than some people have about him right now
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in the middle of it, in the talk show era,
in this moment, but the gold medals are an important
part of it. Being the leading all time US score
is a part of it. And I think to have
a guy who maybe hasn't everything worked out to the
full extent his talent might have allowed, and every thing
worked out quite to see it hoped in different cities
to be able to do this, to have this go right.
It's so important for him and just really a statement
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to how his game translates. He is better than everyone
else on the court when he is on the court
in an international play. It is true on this amazing, elite,
incredible team, and it is true globally, and it is
a sight to see.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
You know, this is and I know this is hard,
this is kind of speculation, but generally in the Olympics,
you'll have relationships that are formed that you know, guys
just past each other in the night. I mean, yeah,
you don't even have time after games, Rachel, as you
cover the NBA forever you're on a plane, you don't
have time for dinner together. Like it's all off season stuff.
But I have this feeling with this Olympic team. Have
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there been a couple of relationships where you're like, I mean,
you're over there, like that's interesting. They're they're like friends.
Speaker 8 (20:50):
Yeah, No, I mean I think it's going to be
very interesting. These guys are playing each with each other,
so they get to see how they mesh and fit
for a possible alliance down the road. As free agency
together in the NBA, they're spending time together, they see
who they want to hang out with. I keep an
eye on Devin Booker and who he's talking to because
he's working out with Jason Tatum a lot. He's hanging
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out with bam Adebayo a lot. He's such a connector.
He's a laid back, easygoing personality. Guys like him He's
just a cool guy to hang around with. He loves cars.
I mean, he's just got a lot of fun interest
to talk about with other players. He plays video games,
and I would just keep an eye on him and
who you see him talking to on the bench and
things like that, because who knows that could be a
prelude to down the road in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Anthony Edwards his game is great. It's a sending not
always perfectly refined, but that's okay. He came into this
league as like twenty year old kid. Kind of take
me to with all these aging stars. You get to
be at practice, you get to see all this stuff.
How's Anthony Edwards? How's ant fit into all this stuff?
Speaker 8 (21:53):
I mean he lights up every room he's in, right,
I mean it's incredible what we see, you know, and
I see when I'm talking to the locker room, what
you guys see on t BE. You know, that's real
in the room and in a constellation of stars like
they have on Team USA, to be the one lighting
up the room is pretty exceptional. His confidence remains so
high even in this group. You know, we saw it
during the playoffs. We saw the talk he was talking
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with Minnesota, and you thought maybe when he got around
this group of guys, some of that would be toned down.
We saw right away in trading camp it wasn't what
he declared himself the number one option. And when I
was talking to Steve Kerr about this Serbia game, he said, look,
we have appropriate fear of Serbia. Every single guy on
our team would probably tell you, and he's talking about
even Lebron James or Kevin Durant or Steph Curry would
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tell you that Nikolie Jokic is the best basketball player
on Earth right now. And I said, would Anthony Edwards
say that? And he said no, no, he would not.
So Anthony's confidence is not build even a little bit.
And I think he's doing so well here in this
environment because he's a sponge. The thing about Aunt is,
and you've seen this so much Colin, is that he
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has all of the bravado, but he's also willing to
learn and acknowledge who his heroes are and who might
be better than him. And he's just got a great
sense of how it all fits together. And I think
he's going to come out of this and even better
player than we saw him go into it.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Finally, I know you're in Paris, which is amazing. You
always get the plumb assignment. JJ. Reddick has now filled
out the staff. I thought it was a pretty good
I thought it was a pretty good staff. Your thoughts
are pretty good, right, Yeah, I agree, I thought it
was good. Nate McMillan is on the stoe.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
No, I think I think. Look, i think Statty Brooks
is underrated. So I'm thrilled to see him back sort
of doing this kind of thing in this bright environment.
Nate McMillan, you know, parted ways under circumstances that had
with the Hawks that had more to do with the
personality conflict than almost anything else. So there's a lot
of factors here that ended these two guys where they
are to be the lead assistance on Reddick's staff. And
I think they're going to be a great fit in
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LA because they can talk to JJ about some of
the really big picture of things like how you manage
minutes or how you manage certain situations that JJ hasn't
been in. But they can also talk to him about
the really simple little thing like hey, this is the
best time to have a meeting pregame. Because JJ has
never had to think about that or play that out before.
There's so many little funny things about being a head
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coach that if you've just never done them before, that
they've become bigger obstacles than they should have to be.
So the fact that he's got these really experienced guys
at his side, I think we're going to make a
big difference. I love them bringing Lindsay Harding in. I
think she's going to be a real bright light and
fresh voice on this staff and can obviously help them
with development, having come from the G League and having
been the G League Coach of the Year. So I
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think that they are making smart, smart moves all the
way up and down with his coaching staff. It's still
going to have to come down to what happens when
the games start and when Lebron James and Anthony Edwards
look across the court at JJ. Do they have confidence
that he knows what he's doing? Do they want to
do what he wants to do or is it like
what you were just talking about in the story before
I came on, or they like h I don't know.
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I'm not sure I have confidence in all of his burbiage.
I'm not sure to have confidence on all the plays
that he's putting together. So I think that is what's
going to make the difference in the end. Having the
right people around you should help with that difference. But
it's not going to be the.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Mazing great canja? You look happy and joyful? I will
say that four or five days ago because my daughter
speaks a little French and she went to the Olympics. Ye,
four or five days ago, I downloaded Duo Lingo app
and I started taking French lessons for forty five minutes
every day. Don't ask me a question. I'm it's very
ugly right now. But maybe because of your history of
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going overseas, we could have a conversation some point over
a coffee and I could jes sweet Colin, you know
maybe I cannot know.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
We'll work it out. Well, you have to The next
Olympics is in Italy, so maybe you should switch to Italian.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I'm just saying, just saying, great seeing you. Nice job
as all was all right? All right, Rachel Nichols. I thought,
Jay Mac I told you that? Did I tell you that?
Last night?
Speaker 8 (25:52):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I download a dual link. My daughter speaks a little French,
and I thought, will that be a nice present for
my daughter? But I couldn't hold a secret. I could
never hold a secret, so I told my so, I
think I'm on day five or six of I do
forty five minutes when I wake up every morning on
doing that's intense. Have you tried just you know, with
the FaceTime?
Speaker 6 (26:08):
You know?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I mean, I gotta admit I like, I literally have
to write down certain things and memorize them because I
get very impatient. So I've gone five or six days.
I've done it this morning. We went out last night,
so I didn't have you know, So, uh, which language
do you think sounds cool on women? The British accent?
Speaker 5 (26:27):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Oh, what do.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
You think you think that sounds attractive? I think it's
so hot on women. I don't know you're saying when
women speak obviously, yeah, yeah, I think I think also
women speaking French is just so nice, like restaurants. My
son speaks a little German, but it sounds so hard,
it's like you have phlegm. But women that speak have
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a British accent, Australian accent, or as French mal sold
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
So hard Knocks this different version. We've already seen the
New York Giants hard knocks not great for the team.
Now it's the Chicago Bears hard knocks, and it was
interesting last night. They're much more interesting than the Giants
because they have better players and a rookie sensation at
quarterback Caleb Williams, So this will be much more interesting.
The most interesting part last night was Nick Saban talking
about Eberflus and he's talking about Caleb Williams and his
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concern about his rookie season and Caleb.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Overall, here's my figury on why NSL quarterbacks they are
at such a dramatic right to me, expectations are killer.
This kid, you got, this kid's got so much media,
so much hype, so much expectation on doing well, and
he has to develop so quickly to meet the expectations
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that everybody has for it's almost impossible.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I think it's a really, really good point and that
caleb expectations are be good now. And the truth is
Patrick Mahomes admitted he could read a defense in year three,
but he was winning in year two because he had
the best offensive coach arguably along with Bill Walsh, in
the history of the sport. But Mahomes smart kid, cognitively
(01:41):
sees it, throws it, lets it rip. Smart kid, year three.
I can read a defense year three. Kenny Pickett done,
They're done, And I'll get to picket in a second.
But I want you to think about it this way.
So in the last decade, I think we've had thirty
two first round quarterbacks. Seven had become stars. Is that
actually a lot? Think of any industry in the country, anything,
(02:08):
how many great anything are there. There was an article
a couple of days ago, and this is something that
I've talked to my I have a podcast company, and
so these numbers within the podcast industry are true. And
it's been the discussion for the last two years for
people that have podcasting companies or iHeart people that developed
(02:31):
these big you know, podcasting empires. One percent of podcasts,
one percent everybody's got a podcast. One percent have just
over ten thousand listens a podcasts, which is not a
lot in a country at three hundred and fifty million,
just ten thousand only one percent and most ninety percent
(02:54):
don't even have two thousand. So how many musical stars
emerge on an annual bases in the country? And I
mean stars Phil and Arena? When to the last movie
star in America? I know Tom Cruise could fill a theater.
Who else can? Honestly, I'm more likely to go to
watch a Christopher Nolan film than I am a movie
star because I trust him more than the star Spielberg
(03:18):
Christopher Nolan. I'd argue those two directors get me to
a theater after Tom Cruise, I'm not sure who does.
So seven of thirty two quarterbacks are stars sounds alarmingly low.
Are there seven great coaches in the last decade? Are
there seven great pass rushers go to any industry? Seven
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out of thirty two stars? Is that that low? I
mean think about college football Saban's industry. How many great
star coaches are there. Saban's gone, Urban's gone, Chris Peterson's gone,
Harbaugh's gone. Are there seven? They can recruit, They know
their side of the ball. They compete for Natty's or
(04:03):
their seven. There's one hundred and thirty two programs, maybe
more now. So if you consider it bad coaches, gms
over their skis, impulsive owners, relentless media, and big markets,
it's hard. I mean there's only one team in the
entire league, one team that we look at and go, yeah,
they always get quarterback, right, the Packers, and they with
(04:28):
their last few draft them or acquire them and then
make them sit for years, like Aaron Rodgers sat for
three years. Jordan Love sat for three years, so they
slow bake them. There's no microwave in Green Bay. Everything's
a slow roast and it works. That points to what
Saban's referring to is that the expectations are high. They
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weren't for Aaron Rodgers you had Farv. They weren't for
Jordan Love, you had Aaron Rodgers. So the one team
that does it right, there's no expectations. The expectation as
you're gonna sit for a while. So I just you know,
prime example, one thing we can all definitively say on quarterbacks,
this is not arguable. They're overdrafted because they're so important
in the NFL, they're overdrafted. Don't give you an example.
(05:10):
Kenny Pickett. So that was a bad quarterback year. There
was a kid from Liberty and then there was Kenny Pickett.
So I called two gms, these are these are really
good gms, like super Bowl gms. And one of them
said we have a mid third round and one of
them said, like late second, top third round. The Steelers
needed a quarterback. He was a local kid. What do
(05:32):
you can do? So, I mean Big Ben was very
sensitive about Mason Rudolph for years, and so they were
very reticent to draft the quarterback. So they got trapped
and they went with Kenny Pickett. So that's that's part
of it. The other thing is, I know we have
somebody running for president that likes to screen fake news
whenever it doesn't like compliment him. But the media is
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mostly right when it comes to star quarterbacks. Matt Stafford
was going to be a star, John Elway Andrew Luck
and I'm not talking like Peyton Manning. If you go
look at the NFL where we're like, oh yeah, Bryce
Young wasn't thought of as that. Bryce Young was like,
he's kind of small. We didn't think Herbert mechanical too
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gets hurt. But like Joe Burrow was being compared to
Tom Brady. I can remember coming on this show, Joey
Taylor was here and I was like, what are they
doing to this kid? You can't compare people to Joe Montana. Well,
when he's healthy, he looks like Joe Montana. So and
if you look at the history of when the media goes,
when you start getting thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year old kids
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being talked about as the chosen one, the media is
almost always right. Bryce Harper. I mean, he's going through right,
and he had a at least one hit I saw
last night, but he's just now having the longest slump
of his life. He didn't have it for a long time.
Bryce Harper, Messy lebron serena Tiger Tiger eleven years old
(07:00):
with IG. Nobody knew about it, but he already had
signed with IMG. IMG just kept it quiet. Eleven years old.
So when the media goes, yeah, that guy's going to
be great. Andrew Luck would still be great today. The
organization was such a mess they couldn't surround it with protection,
and so literally he almost died. So Caleb Williams is
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in that class of when people start saying there's some
Patrick Mahomes here, Joe Burrow, there's some Joe Montana here,
generally we're not talking. I mean, even Trevor Lawrence got
good pub It's not like this. We weren't saying Trevor
Lawrence is like John Elway. We were saying, this kid's
clearly the number one quarterback of the year. So my
(07:44):
take is Nick is right. But if you really on
a macro level, think in the last decade we've developed
seven star quarterbacks seven and right now in the league
we have I mean, look around the league. If you
count young and old. Stafford obviously was drafted before the
last decade, we got about eleven eleven, twelve star quarterbacks
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in the league. I'm sorry, Jared goff is a he's
a really, really good quarterback. He may be at the
bottom end of that star thing, but he's a star quarterback.
Maybe that's more than we think. Not twelve actors get
me to a theater, I'll say you that.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
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Speaker 1 (08:29):
Welcome in hour two. It's a Wednesday live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day,
Jay Mac. We were talking about this with Hard Knocks.
So the new Hard Knocks has the Bears. The first
Hard Knocks was a Giants And there are moments in
life that you just have to be prepared for. And
when John Mara came in and Joe Shane the general manager,
(08:52):
and asked him about Saquon Barkley, and you have those
cameras and it's like, dude, if your owner comes in,
you got to have answers. If I meet once a
year with Lachlan Murdock at Fox, I'm buttoned up. Okay,
I'm not just hey, I'm an art cocktail. You go
to dinner with a boss, look them in the eye.
If you have a message, make sure you listen. Like
(09:13):
there are these moments that are just more important than
other moments, right, And they always say for the quarterback,
it's that Wednesday press conference. They have the bank behind you,
you have Philadelphia Eagles century bank. You don't have that
in the locker room. You have a four million dollar
sponsor behind you, maybe the biggest sponsor, a bank that
the organization has, that the owner has his favorite sponsor.
(09:36):
He takes that bank ceo to dinner a couple of
times that bank ceo gets access to the locker room
occasionally that Wednesday press or. You're representing not just you,
the bank, the team, the owner, the whole thing. And
these dummies out there that argue, eh, just go with
your hat backwards, spitball and start fires. It's not it.
(09:58):
And this comes from general managers I've talked to. Baker
Mayfield was good enough. They moved about of Cleveland because
he kept starting fires. It wasn't because he couldn't play.
They didn't decide they didn't sign Deshan Watson to do
a terrible guaranteed contract because they wanted to. It was
the Wednesday presser and the fires starting. And so when
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you're a coach, think about this. I want you to
think about this. So you're a football coach and you
just got an NFL head job, best jobs in the
world in sports, NFL head coach, thirty two of them.
And you have a day as you fly the owner's
private jet to that city. You've got a day. You
tell your wife, let's start looking for homes and schools.
(10:40):
And you sit there and you make some calls for
staff building. But you you got to prepare speech. Now,
it's only going to be about five minute speech. Seven
minute speech. Then you'll take questions. But it does matter.
That is one of those moments in life, like meeting
the CEO at your company twice year. Have your crap
(11:01):
buttoned up, don't be a moron. So when Sean mcvay's
press conference, he was thirty years old. I mean, it's
hard to find thirty year olds on staffs. It's hard
to find a thirty year old college coach, not with
the richest owner in the NFL. Stan Cronkey, Remember Sean
mcvay's opening press conference.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Our character will be the foundation, and it'll be the
glue that holds us together as an organization. We're gonna
be committed to our process and we're gonna be committed
to a standard of performance, and those things are gonna
be focused on daily improvement and daily excellence, and that's
what's gonna help guide us on our journey to try
(11:43):
to achieve a world championship and bring it to this
great city of Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
No teleprompter, totally precise and buttoned up. And that's what
his teams are. Now. I did make fun of Dan
Campbell's presser, but he had a plan and his team
has become exactly what Dan Campbell promised is it would be.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
We're gonna kick you in the teeth, all right, and
when you punch us back, we're gonna smile at you.
And when you knock us down, we're gonna get up.
And on the way up, we're gonna buy a kneecap off,
all right, and we're gonna stand up, and then it's
gonna take two more shots to knock us down, all right.
And on the way up, we're gonna take your other
kneecap and we're gonna get up, and then it's gonna
take three shots to get us down, and when we do,
we're gonna take another hank out of you before before
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long where they're gonna be the last one standing.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
A little over the top, but that is precisely what
the Lions are. One of the most relentless physical teams
in the league. They'll draft the linebacker in a running
back first round. They don't care. They don't care. They're
doing it their way, their ways winning. But I was
critical of Nick Seriani because when he got the job,
(12:58):
I called to sources. They said, not ready. A story
emerges today from ESPN with multiple sources he and Jalen Hurts.
Jalen Hurts does not respect his ex's and o's what
I was told, and he's losing respect and they don't
get along, and he not well liked, and we've watched
him yell at fans, but remember his opening press conference.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
Next thing that's very important to me is that we
build a smart football team. That we have a smart
football team here, and I know we have the people
in place to do that. The first part of that,
the first part of being smart is knowing.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
What to do. We're gonna we're gonna know.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
We're gonna have systems in place that are easier to learn.
All right, complicated to the defense or offense that they're
going against, or the special teams group they're going against,
but easy for us to learn. Because when we can
put that, because when we can learn our system and
we can get good at our system, then our talent
can take over.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Okay, now I'm exhausted. I don't know what the hell
that is. Makes jd Vance sound like Shakespeare. I can't
take it.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
What is going on?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And that's what the team is. When he lost his
two coordinators, what the hell am I watching? What do
they do well? It matters, knuckleheads. You're gonna have moments
in your life when you got to nail it, when
you got to hit it, when you've got to be great.
There's not a lot of them, thank god, but those
opening press conferences Sean McVay, Demko Ryans, You're like, I
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am got button up. I mean, I'm in TV. I
can talk all day long. That's what I do. I
don't have a teleprompter, but this is what I'm trained for.
Coaches aren't trained for that. And I'm not saying everybody
that's slick behind a mic makes a great coach. But
the story that emerges today is a little over his head,
(14:55):
a little overwhelmed. Jalen Hurts doesn't like being alone with him,
just saying same thing I say about Wesday Wednesday press
conferences for quarterbacks, especially young ones. You got that seven
million dollars a year bank sponsorship sign behind you. It's
the one press conference of the week that Fox and
ESPN we all run because half the time the locker
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room stuff you can't make it out. The audio is terrible.
But that Wednesday one, that's the one everybody uses. Look
the part, be the part, speak the part, look into
the camera, be smart, don't be argumentative, diffuse, not ignite
saying I know you think I'm a mean guy. But
(15:37):
it's this story, this, this, this is what I heard
when he got hired. And then I watched the presser
and I'm like, this guy's doesn't know where he's going.
Now you're finding out some of this stuff is like real,
and Jalen Hurts is spawning it. Jalen Hurts, who comes
from I mean, Jalen Hurts comes from Nick Saban and
Lincoln Riley, who can control a press conference. Nobody can.
(16:00):
He drolls a press conference like mcshabd, like he and
McVeigh at a different standard. Tomlin's great too, by the way,
but Lincoln Riley can get a little snippy, but he
can control press conference. Then you move into that, you
can't blame Jalen Hurts for going what's going on here?
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Speaker 1 (16:54):
Rachel Nichols, she is in Paris for the Olympics. What
a plumber, Simon is? What a great I mean? God Lord,
we're out here banging around.
Speaker 8 (17:06):
I can bring you back up, but again, I can
bring you back some wine. When are we talking here? Colin?
What do you mean mean to do?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
That is great? I was saying earlier that I thought
this was the competition was great, but the intensity, the
focus of our American players, it's been impressive, Like right,
like the games weren't supposed to be this ugly, were they.
Speaker 8 (17:29):
Yeah. I mean, look again, they haven't played. We'll see
a lot from what happens against Serbia. That's one of
the big lights that they're playing in the biggest stage
in the Metal Round where it counts it and maybe
that'll be a tougher, massive matchup. I would expect it
to be. But yeah, absolutely, the way this team has
drilled down, the way particularly Lebron James has drilled down,
we expected it from him just because he's been exceptional
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and everything he does we've seen him play this past year.
We knew that being thirty nine years old was not
exactly a hindrance the way it would be for other players.
You know, there's the country song that goes, I'm not
as good as I once was, but I'm as good
once as I ever was. And I think that that's
true of Lebron these days for sure, is that when
he wants to, when he knows it's the moment to
turn it on, he can do everything he has always
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been able to do. He has the full package available
to him, not all the time anymore, but enough of
the time. And this is one of those times. If
you put him under true serum, would he say that
he thinks this is his last chance to win a
title on a major stage of anything.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (18:28):
Maybe he believes he can do that with the Lakers
in the next couple of years, but he knows he
has the chance to do it right now. You are
seeing that focus that is translated from the rep to
the rest of the team from day one. I just
spent the afternoon today Colin with Grant Hill and he said,
from the day they started practice in Las Vegas, it
has Lebron who's been setting the tone for everyone saying
this is serious. We have to dominate, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I think it's fitting and it makes me happy that
Kad becomes the all time leading score because he's made
some choices in his career I didn't love in terms
of where he's playing. Sometimes he's been great, sometimes not.
It didn't fit as well. But if his career ended
after these Olympics and you said, you know, the all
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time leading scorer is on the Olympics, it's Kevin Durant,
players would go, yeah, yeah, it's Kevin Durant. I think
it means a lot for him. I don't know how
he thinks of it, but how is it viewed by
the players.
Speaker 8 (19:23):
I think it means a tremendous amount to Kevin and
I think you're dead on as usual with his whole
career has been super incredibly impressive. I mean time condenses things,
and when we look back twenty years from now that
the numbers Kevin Durant will have put up at the
titles he won, at the gold medals he won, I
think that his whole resume is going to create a
different feeling than some people have about him right now
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in the middle of it, in the talk show era,
in this moment, but the gold medals are an important
part of it. Being the leading all time US score
is a part of it. And I think to have
a guy who maybe hasn't everything worked out to the
full extent his talent might have allowed, and every thing
worked out quite to see it hoped in different cities
to be able to do this, to have this go right.
It's so important for him and just really a statement
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to how his game translates. He is better than everyone
else on the court when he is on the court
in an international play. It is true on this amazing, elite,
incredible team, and it is true globally, and it is
a sight to see.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
You know, this is and I know this is hard,
this is kind of speculation, but generally in the Olympics,
you'll have relationships that are formed that you know, guys
just past each other in the night. I mean, yeah,
you don't even have time after games, Rachel, as you
cover the NBA forever you're on a plane, you don't
have time for dinner together. Like it's all off season stuff.
But I have this feeling with this Olympic team. Have
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there been a couple of relationships where you're like, I mean,
you're over there, like that's interesting. They're they're like friends.
Speaker 8 (20:50):
Yeah, No, I mean I think it's going to be
very interesting. These guys are playing each with each other,
so they get to see how they mesh and fit
for a possible alliance down the road. As free agency
together in the NBA, they're spending time together, they see
who they want to hang out with. I keep an
eye on Devin Booker and who he's talking to because
he's working out with Jason Tatum a lot. He's hanging
(21:10):
out with bam Adebayo a lot. He's such a connector.
He's a laid back, easygoing personality. Guys like him He's
just a cool guy to hang around with. He loves cars.
I mean, he's just got a lot of fun interest
to talk about with other players. He plays video games,
and I would just keep an eye on him and
who you see him talking to on the bench and
things like that, because who knows that could be a
prelude to down the road in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Anthony Edwards his game is great. It's a sending not
always perfectly refined, but that's okay. He came into this
league as like twenty year old kid. Kind of take
me to with all these aging stars. You get to
be at practice, you get to see all this stuff.
How's Anthony Edwards? How's ant fit into all this stuff?
Speaker 8 (21:53):
I mean he lights up every room he's in, right,
I mean it's incredible what we see, you know, and
I see when I'm talking to the locker room, what
you guys see on t BE. You know, that's real
in the room and in a constellation of stars like
they have on Team USA, to be the one lighting
up the room is pretty exceptional. His confidence remains so
high even in this group. You know, we saw it
during the playoffs. We saw the talk he was talking
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with Minnesota, and you thought maybe when he got around
this group of guys, some of that would be toned down.
We saw right away in trading camp it wasn't what
he declared himself the number one option. And when I
was talking to Steve Kerr about this Serbia game, he said, look,
we have appropriate fear of Serbia. Every single guy on
our team would probably tell you, and he's talking about
even Lebron James or Kevin Durant or Steph Curry would
(22:34):
tell you that Nikolie Jokic is the best basketball player
on Earth right now. And I said, would Anthony Edwards
say that? And he said no, no, he would not.
So Anthony's confidence is not build even a little bit.
And I think he's doing so well here in this
environment because he's a sponge. The thing about Aunt is,
and you've seen this so much Colin, is that he
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has all of the bravado, but he's also willing to
learn and acknowledge who his heroes are and who might
be better than him. And he's just got a great
sense of how it all fits together. And I think
he's going to come out of this and even better
player than we saw him go into it.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Finally, I know you're in Paris, which is amazing. You
always get the plumb assignment. JJ. Reddick has now filled
out the staff. I thought it was a pretty good
I thought it was a pretty good staff. Your thoughts
are pretty good, right, Yeah, I agree, I thought it
was good. Nate McMillan is on the stoe.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
No, I think I think. Look, i think Statty Brooks
is underrated. So I'm thrilled to see him back sort
of doing this kind of thing in this bright environment.
Nate McMillan, you know, parted ways under circumstances that had
with the Hawks that had more to do with the
personality conflict than almost anything else. So there's a lot
of factors here that ended these two guys where they
are to be the lead assistance on Reddick's staff. And
I think they're going to be a great fit in
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LA because they can talk to JJ about some of
the really big picture of things like how you manage
minutes or how you manage certain situations that JJ hasn't
been in. But they can also talk to him about
the really simple little thing like hey, this is the
best time to have a meeting pregame. Because JJ has
never had to think about that or play that out before.
There's so many little funny things about being a head
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coach that if you've just never done them before, that
they've become bigger obstacles than they should have to be.
So the fact that he's got these really experienced guys
at his side, I think we're going to make a
big difference. I love them bringing Lindsay Harding in. I
think she's going to be a real bright light and
fresh voice on this staff and can obviously help them
with development, having come from the G League and having
been the G League Coach of the Year. So I
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think that they are making smart, smart moves all the
way up and down with his coaching staff. It's still
going to have to come down to what happens when
the games start and when Lebron James and Anthony Edwards
look across the court at JJ. Do they have confidence
that he knows what he's doing? Do they want to
do what he wants to do or is it like
what you were just talking about in the story before
I came on, or they like h I don't know.
(24:51):
I'm not sure I have confidence in all of his burbiage.
I'm not sure to have confidence on all the plays
that he's putting together. So I think that is what's
going to make the difference in the end. Having the
right people around you should help with that difference. But
it's not going to be the.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Mazing great canja? You look happy and joyful? I will
say that four or five days ago because my daughter
speaks a little French and she went to the Olympics. Ye,
four or five days ago, I downloaded Duo Lingo app
and I started taking French lessons for forty five minutes
every day. Don't ask me a question. I'm it's very
ugly right now. But maybe because of your history of
(25:26):
going overseas, we could have a conversation some point over
a coffee and I could jes sweet Colin, you know
maybe I cannot know.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
We'll work it out. Well, you have to The next
Olympics is in Italy, so maybe you should switch to Italian.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I'm just saying, just saying, great seeing you. Nice job
as all was all right? All right, Rachel Nichols. I thought,
Jay Mac I told you that? Did I tell you that?
Last night?
Speaker 8 (25:52):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I download a dual link. My daughter speaks a little French,
and I thought, will that be a nice present for
my daughter? But I couldn't hold a secret. I could
never hold a secret, so I told my so, I
think I'm on day five or six of I do
forty five minutes when I wake up every morning on
doing that's intense. Have you tried just you know, with
the FaceTime?
Speaker 6 (26:08):
You know?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I mean, I gotta admit I like, I literally have
to write down certain things and memorize them because I
get very impatient. So I've gone five or six days.
I've done it this morning. We went out last night,
so I didn't have you know, So, uh, which language
do you think sounds cool on women? The British accent?
Speaker 5 (26:27):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Oh, what do.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
You think you think that sounds attractive? I think it's
so hot on women. I don't know you're saying when
women speak obviously, yeah, yeah, I think I think also
women speaking French is just so nice, like restaurants. My
son speaks a little German, but it sounds so hard,
it's like you have phlegm. But women that speak have
(26:54):
a British accent, Australian accent, or as French mal sold
sold
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