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So Jmack, the Brandon iut Niners thing is interesting. I'm
going to start the show today with choices. Life is
about choices. Right fork in the road, you can go left,
you can go right. We'll have choices on who we
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vote for, what team we go to, what company we
work for what we do with our kids. Life's about choices, right,
So let's start today Brandon I Yuke. According to stories,
the Niners are just about fed up with Brandon I
you and how he's acting at practice. So Brandon I
Yuke will never play in his career if he leaves
San Francisco with a better offensive coach. Mike Tomlin is
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not a better better coach at getting receivers open. He'll
never have more moderate weather, may never have a better roster,
may never win seventy two percent of his games. He
could go to worse weather, a tougher conference, a worst roster,
shakier ownership, don't have the same head, coach, double team
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now on every possession. It's a choice. San Francisco would
likely pay him twenty three million a year. He wants
twenty six and a half. DeVante Adams made that choice
from a Hall of Fame quarterback continuity winning every Sunday
to the Raiders the opposite in all of them, Tyreek Hill.
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Remember when he mattered in January and February. Hey, but
he got the bag. But he's irrelevant when it matters now.
He watches the games like all of us on television.
San Francisco, in my opinion, is a top two or
three place in the NFL for a receiver currently. Why Well,
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the play action games always available because they always have
a strong running game, So safeties can't cheat, linebackers can't cheap.
Always have a good running game. Also, you have a
brilliant offensive coach who schemes people open. You ever watch
the Rams and wonder how the hell is Cooper Cup
so wide open? You ever watch the Niners and think
viy is George Kittle so wide open? Is he a burner?
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That's what offensive coaches do. Defensive coaches don't. Also, let's
be honest, the Niners and Iyuk is part of this.
But last year the Steelers were twenty six in the NFL.
Now think about this, twenty sixth in the National Football League.
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In big plays, San Francisco was one. Do you think
that's all just roster or do you think the coaches
have something to do with it? Also, offensive coaches like
McVeigh Andy Reid usually rebuild shaky offensive lines faster or
running games faster. Has Tomlin figured out how to create
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a run game in the last five years, because that's
the rumor where he's going Pittsburgh. Also with Kyle Shanahan,
you often are playing in games where you lead late.
You may take some reps off. You're gonna get big
guaranteed money in both. But it is built for wide receivers,
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scheming people open, brilliant head coach, not totally dependent on you.
A big run game for play action. It is a choice,
but hey, go make five million more and live in
Cleveland and try to sell that nine million dollar mansion.
Ask Lebron in San Francisco. You can sell that eight
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million dollar house in about fifteen minutes. That's all choices.
I don't begrudge either. But is your agent telling you,
and are the smart people around you telling you? You
think it's a coincidence that Pouka Nakua has a fifth
round pick is a home run with Sean mcvahan the Rams,
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or George Kittle and Jennings for the Niners, as fifth
and six round picks are incredibly formidable. It's what offensive
coaches do, offensive schemes do. Brandon, I, you can make
four million dollars elsewhere, Go get the bag. I think
this is just about as good a place for a
receiver to be Yesterday Scott Pioli, five time Executive of
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the Year in the NFL, talked about the IUT dilemma
for the Niners.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
You have to look at your roster offer and say, Okay,
how much are we going to put into this entire
quarterback room, into this entire wide receiver room? And this
becomes very complicated. I go went way back to the
early Patriot times. We had a different but similar situation
like this with a wide receiver that we loved by
the name of Dion Branch, and he was coming off
of a season where he won the Super Bowl MVP.
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He still had time left in his contract, but he
wants to get paid. He wanted that second contract. We
were in a place where we were paying some other
people different but similar, and it unfortunately didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Oh it did for the Patriots. They won multiple Super
Bowls without Dion Branch. Dion I think went to Maybec
or ended up there and it didn't work out. The
same College football injects twenty five wide receivers annually into
the NFL, five or six, eight or nine stars annually.
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The Niners will be fine better this year with Ayuk,
but probably fine by late this season or early next.
I don't necessarily guarantee any success for Ayuk. He could
become DeVante Adams or Tyreek Hill, a little richer but
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far less relevant when the games matter. So I saw
The Athletic, a subscription model for sports writers. I subscribed
to it and read it regularly. Mostly agree today disagree.
There's an article today. The headline is can the Cowboys
afford to pay Dak in the NFL's broken quarterback economy?
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And the premise of the article is Tua with the
Miami Dolphins and Jordan Love signed their mega deals and
Mahome ranks only eleventh in annual salary. That says the
article is the problem. I disagree. There's a lot of
different ways to make money. Real estate, pensions, equity, a business,
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stock market. There's a lot of different ways. Same with quarterbacks.
I think the more gifted quarterbacks who are really smart,
take a little less, get surrounded by better players, win more,
and then you're Tom Brady. You retire and a TV
network gives you thirty million dollars a year, not because
you're handsome, but because you won more. Go ask Drew Brees.
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He took the bag for a couple of years. In
New Orleans with Sean Payton and lost. Then he took
much less restructure his deal to help the roster won
a Super Bowl. He's now iconic and won't have to
worry about money the rest of his life. Brady took
cuts because he had confidence in himself and the organization
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to surround it with championship level players. Travis Kelcey and
Mahomes have structured team friendly deals. You think Taylor Swift
is dating a Carolina Panther tight end. Mahomes makes over
forty five million dollars in Kansas City with endorsements. You
think he makes that as a five hundred quarterback or
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slightly better. Winning is the thing in football. In baseball,
it's about lore and history. You can't listen to sports
radio without a Cofax or a Mickey Mantle reference. Basketball's
artistic aesthetic and optics. B football is about winning, win games,
talk later. Kirk Cousins has made his decision a choice
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to always take the most money. Okay, but he's not
that relevant rich, But what's his post football career if
he wants one? Tua, with his injury history, I totally
understand Tua saying, hey, I'm not Josh Allen. Physically, I'm
not that big and strong. I'm taking the money that
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I get. But I think for a Manning or a Breeze,
or a Brady or a Mahomes, I think the truly
gifted guys. Now I'll take a little less. I have
a chance to win on an annual basis a lot
of cabbage. Again, there's a lot of different ways, and
people make a lot of choices. You and your family
may make choices. You may say, hey, I'm willing to
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move to Philadelphia. I don't necessarily want to live in
a big city or buy one, but I just got
double the salary. Many people don't want to live in
New York, but they go there for the job. We
all make choices, right, A little less quality of life,
a little more income, or vice versa. Quarterbacks can do
the same. Dak Prescott's got a quote when talking about
his contract negotiations. He said, quote, I've said it before,
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I have an obligation to the NFL and other quarterbacks
when it comes to getting paid. Tom Brady never talked
about that. Tom Brady simply talked about winning Super Bowls.
Dack's making a choice and talking about things I don't
give a crap about Brady talked about stuff. I do, trophies,
Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, Drew Brees, lots of quarterbacks, Patrick Mahomes, Kelsey.
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They get the bigger picture, the long game. It's not
the only game to play, though. I get to a
take in the bag. Jalen Hurts, smaller quarterback Saban moved
off him, had his critics second round. He's probably like,
give me mine. I do not begrudge that. But the
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great quarterbacks who have the size, don't get hurt, have
the confidence. Generally, they don't have to be the highest
paid quarterback. They'll get it later. They'll get it in shoes,
they'll get it in endorsements, they'll get it in TV,
on tracks. Because football is about winning. It's not about
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talking about baseball cards in the sixties, romanticizing Bob Gibson
or sweet Jumper, nice crossover double us and the better roster.
A good quarterback has the mary wins. So I don't
think Mahomes is losing a second of sleep. Go look
at his trophy room. It's choices, all right, Jay Mac,
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I am. I'm all fired up today. I'm going to
Chicago for the weekend, the air shows in town. I'm
gonna bring my gun show to the air show. I
may even slip a tank top that's outdoors. Yes, put
that on the gram or TikTok, and numbers are going
to bed. I like the fact that you have gotten
me to say just as a joke the Graham around
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the house. I appreciate you're starting to say that. So
your daughter now thinks you're cool and a little cooler. Yeah,
Mark Sanchez joining us in one hour from now. We've
got a lot of stuff on the daka. NFL weekend
gonna be big, all the preseason games, and there's a
lot of quarterback Josh Allen I saw this morning's gonna play.
Got some guys gonna play this weekend.
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All Right, you're now entering the Noble Zone sponsored by
Incredible Great Race. So Stefan Diggs left the Buffalo Bills.
And there's this sense over the last several years, true
or not, that mahomes the best quarterback in the league.
And I think that Josh Allen's the only quarterback physically
that can do most of the stuff he can do.
I think Matt Stafford's got the same arm talent, but
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is not as young, doesn't move as well. Joe Burrow's
very good, but he's hurt a lot. But the difference is,
and this is what separates Brady and Mahomes from a
lot of other guys, is they led the receivers. They
were the offense, regardless of teammates. Brady won super Bowls
pre Moss, post Moss, his best receiver, even his best tandem,
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arguably Moss and Wes Welker, the best tandem he ever had.
He won't getting super Bowls. He was actually better pre
and post Edelman and Gronk at the end, Dean Branch
in the beginning. And so Josh Allen has lost Stefan Diggs.
Stefan Diggs is basically worth maybe half a win a
year and half a point a game. So I was
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looking this morning at Josh Allen's career with Stefan Diggs
and without him, and without him, they averaged nineteen a game,
one game above five hundred fifteen and fourteen. Now, some
of that is Josh Allen was a younger quarterback and
as he developed, Stefan Diggs was there for the ride.
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But there is no question that his passer rating is
sub eighty as Mahomes without Tyreek Hill won back to
back Super Bowls. So if Josh Allen is the closest thing,
many in the league don't think it's Josh Allen. They
think it's Lamar or Joe Burrow. Burrow's gone to Arrowhead
and one. But if Josh Allen is two in this league,
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then you can't be dependent on a really, really good receiver.
Stefan Diggs is really really good. He's not to meet
DeVante Adams, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson. Don't think he's quite
as talented as Brandon Ayuk. So this will be very interesting.
There's a lot of drama. He's worth maybe a half
a point a game. I still think the Bills win
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the division and win playoff games. But if you're the
number one challenger for Patrick Mahomes, Stefan Diggs is a
non factor right this past year, the great quarterbacks win
and get to Super Bowls with imperfect rosters. Burrow got
to a super Bowl with a bad offensive line, bad
not average bad. Right now this morning, according to PFF,
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Josh Allen has the eight best offensive line. He's got
a stable, winning head coach, good front office, solid ownership,
above average defense, an excellent young tight end, and a
running back cook who looks like he could be an
a guy that's a Super Bowl roster if you're the guy,
that's a minimum getting to the AFC Championship. If you're
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the guy. But the standard's been set by Mahomes, it
doesn't matter who the receivers are. It literally doesn't matter.
Sky Moore a couple of years ago was making plays
in the Super Bowl. Rashi Rice last year was making
him this year is going to be a rookie from
the Big twelve. So if you're the two, there's no
step back. Steman Diggs is good, Brady post Moss stack
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trophies here is. Josh asked if he'll miss him.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Steph's a great player and what he brought to this
team was was special. So miss is. I don't know
if i'd say miss You know, he was a guy
that was reliable. You can you can look too. He's
gonna have the juice each and every day. I'm sure
he's bringing over there in Houston, so definitely, Yeah, you
can't say that you don't miss that. But I am
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very happy with what we got going on here and
how hard the guys have been working.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I think it was eight of the top ten receivers
last year in the league Ford didn't make the playoffs
for didn't win a playoff game, and was thereabouts like that.
The quarterback leads the team. Burrow had to use t
Higgins at one point in his career. Stafford's had Cooper
Cup gone. Quarterback leads not wide receivers. Yeah, eight the
ten best receivers last year in the NFL, the big
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yardage guys. Ford didn't make the playoffs, four lost a
playoff game. Stefan Digglos moved. Shouldn't make an impact, should
not make an impact. It really shouldn't. Tight End and
running back in on line better than last year. Coach
GM stable, defense better than average.
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Speaker 1 (17:38):
Well, I'm excited for this weekend. First time I'm gonna
see some of these young quarterbacks. And I'm also going
to see an old friend, Sam Darnold and Minnesota. I
bumped into him name drop at the Christian McCaffrey wedding
and he looked great. He was in shape, cut up
just like Sammy was put. Greg Olsen was there, Jonathan Stewart,
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Keekley and you know, just one of the guys, very
very well liked guy, the bow Nicks, Michael Pennis. There
are a lot of stuff this weekend. Jordan Palmer, founder
a Quarterback Summit, by the way, launching a new nutrition company,
thread Performance, designed for young athletes. So maybe it's it's,
you know, it's the usc thing. It's that I like him,
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It's that I think he just didn't get a shot.
It's like, okay, now he's got a left tackle and
a really smart coach and two really good receivers and
not a great defensive division. Am I being irrational with
Sam Donald? Or do you see something potentially Jordan here?
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Nah? Full full disclosure here, I've been drinking Sam Donald
kool aid since I met him when he was fourteen.
But there are some some just truths here to what
you're saying. And I know you go way back with
Sam too, But I think with players like Sam and
I'll put him in the category of guys who are
upper chelon talent. He's the third pick in the draft,
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not because he got lucky, but because his talent justified that.
I've been around him a long time, spent a lot
of time with him this offseason. Never seen him cut
a corner, never once, as he showed up late, left early,
got a bail, got something this weekend, Gotta go to
Vegas with my body. He's just never cut a corner.
Great head on his shoulders, smart, great family, settled, just
mature players like that. I always tell them there will
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be a time in a place where all you have
to do is play to the best of your abilities,
not above it, and you'll be in every game with
a chance to make a run at the end, which
is honestly all you can ask for. I've been waiting
for this. I was hoping it was the Jets, and
it just wasn't. That was just an impossible situation to
have success, and I thought it might be Carolina. Then
he got a new coordinator, Ben mcindo. It just wasn't
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that in Carolina. But this last season, getting to sit
Watchbrock Perdy play, soak up everything that Kyle Shanahan has.
One of the things about the San Francisco forty nine ers,
their best players on their team are also the most
bought end players on their team. Sam hadn't been around winners.
They weren't winning at a see like that. They didn't
win the Jets, they didn't win in Carolina. He got
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a chance this last year to essentially red shirt and
just be around a winning culture and now go and
be the starting quarterback in another winning culture that's on
the rise. And I'm bullish and I think Sam is
set up for a comeback Player of the Year type
of season and the personnel to play calling in the
situation around him.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
So bow Knicks and JJ McCarthy both third on the
depth chart. But you just installing stuff. I don't take
much from it. The veteran guys like a Stidham, He's
just been around. He knows the offense, so I don't
take a ton from it. Bow Knicks is more interesting
because I do believe in the case of bow Knicks,
you don't have a Sam Darnold. There a guy that
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could really win ten twelve games. In my opinion, Bow's
got to cook it pretty quick. They got the Oregon
receiver Mems Courtland Sutton. I like their backs. Left tackles
good like Sean I and he has an offensive coach, Jordan.
A lot of these young guys have defensive coaches. These rookies,
it's harder. I like bone Knicks. What's realistic for me
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on bon Knicks not much of a defense. He's gonna
have to win some high scoring games. What's realistic to
expect from him?
Speaker 6 (21:14):
Well, I think it depends on when bon Nicks enters
the game. I think Jarrett Stidham is one of the
most underrated quarterbacks in football right now, if you think
about it. Very limited playing time Jarrett was in New England.
He backed up Tom and really as a fourth round
pick rookie, he was the two in New England, and
that was I think Brady's like fourteenth ye or something
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like that in the system with Josh Nathaniels. And for
him to go from Gus Melson's offense to speaking fluent
New England Patriots elite level offense, that growth in that year,
just them trusting him to be the two said a
lot to me. And then when he did finally get
to play two seasons ago, at the end of the
year in Vegas, he torched Kansas City. I think he
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had over three hundred something yards all purpose, and he
towards San Francisco and played great in both of those games.
And so I know that that Sean McVay does not
sit here and go we got some like Bridge guy,
and let's hurry up and get bo Nicks out there.
I don't think they need to rush bow Knicks out there.
I think Jared Sidam is going to play a high
level win. Bo's number is called, though. My expectations for
him are really high, partly because of how much football
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he's played in college, right, played more starts than anybody.
But the second part of this is his context. He
has more experience of what it takes to play via
franchise quarterback. Then say JJ McCarthy. JJ McCarty's only won
and every game he's been in they were going to
run the ball for three hundred yards and they were favored.
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And basically every game bo Knicks played on some bad
Auburn teams and was booed out of the building and
had pressure and people turning on him. He has that experience,
and then he has the experience to lighten it up
at Oregon for two years. So I think bo Nicks,
you know, married, just settled. He's an adult stepping in
when bo Nick's numbers called. My expectations are high because
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of yes, his tent and his ability in the play caller,
but his experience of what it actually takes to succeed
in the league. I think he's got as much as
you can have being a rookie and never actually having
a start.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
So I think Washington the Commanders are my Houston Texans
from a year ago. We kind of roll our eyes.
What a mass not well run, not smartly owned. But
here's what I like. It's like being part of a
great recruiting class in college. Jaden Daniels comes in, everybody's
new owner. GM coach, coordinate draft class, and it's like
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this new wave of guys and everybody's equal. There's no
executive in the corner room. That's you know a little
tribal and he's got territory. Everybody's new. I think they're
going to be Houston. I think they're going to shock people.
What say you on Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
I see all the same riding on the wall. And
I think when you're around this league, as long as
I've been around this league, it's great to have. You know,
you talk a lot about having an offensive coach, right,
and I think that's that's helpful, and that's that's that's beneficial.
He doesn't have that there, but you know, having great
skill positions is helpful. You want to sustain success in
the NFL, you need a great owner. This this league
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is about ownership and great decision making and they've got that.
These guys were there last year. They got to sit, watch, learn,
and I think it starts with ownership. And you could
make a case that they have the thirty second best
owner two years ago. Yeah, and now they've got, you know,
somebody who's in the top group and they'll prove that
over time. But I totally agree everything's new. You don't
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have to, you know, have a conversation with one person,
but then make sure the other person didn't hear it.
It's a blank slate for everybody, and there's no pressure
that that fan base isn't expecting a super Bowl this year,
and Jaden gets to come in kind of quietly and
just get better and learn how to play. But it's
specifically to Jaden's hit his skill set. It's the skill
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set that's set up for success early. Look, a rookie
quarterback is not going to come into the league and
just week one see every pressure coming. Understand every outlet,
have every nuance of the game. What you do need
to do is you need to be mobile enough to
get out of a bad situation, which Jayden is significantly
more mobile than c J. Stroud, And then you've got
to be able to take the shots and take advantage
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of big plays when they present themselves.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
CJ.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Stroud did that last year at an A plus level,
and I think that's a big part of Jayden's game too.
Those are great deep ball. He's mobile enough to get
out of a bad situation, and I think the intelligence level,
how smart and his study habits that Jayden has are
commiserate with CJ. Stroud, which you know, just prove you
can't come into the league and play the way that
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CJ did and play the way I think Jaden's gonna
play if you are not very, very intelligent with great
study habits where you can retain this level of information.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Jordan Palmer new company Thread Performance, designed for young athletes
developing bodies. Finally, I think Caleb Williams is a very
good prospect. I do think you have to acknowledge at
times he was moody. You could see it in the sidelines.
He's a highly emotional player. It's not the end of
the world. It's just something I saw. I didn't see
that with Andrew Luck, but did. There are times he's
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really emotional, good bad. I like passionate people. That's not
much of a criticism. But when you're the centerpiece of
a college offense and you go to the NFL with
a good, not great, old line, you can get humbled
very quickly. Any anything I would see in the first
couple of weeks that would concern you was, I mean,
if you break these guys down, is there anything you're
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like that worries me a little bit that he can
be a little erratic to me, little erratic on accuracy.
I don't think he's a ten out of a ten prospect,
but he's very good. What do you expect.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
I am anticipating no hiccups for Keileb Williams. I think
he's going to light it up right away. I think
what I happened last year is he was forced to
play football with a bunch of college kids one more year.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
I think he was.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Ready last year, and I think he might have been
the number one pick last year. And I think most
people would agree that he'd be the number one pick
last year. It's like you know when somebody holds their
kid back in eighth grade, right, there's statistics and data
that supports this. When you hold somebody back and they
just straight repeat eighth grade again, their attention goes down,
they get in trouble, they kind of act up a
little bit more. It's because they're bored, yeah, and they're
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not being pushed, and they've already heard this before and
they've already learned this information. And I think that's what
happened last year, where he got bored. And I'm not
saying that they didn't go undefeated. He did not win
the national title. Right. I think he played great last
season with what was around him, but I think another
year of college football, the expectations were unrealistic.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Right.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
It was national title in back to back Heismans, And
I think he's going to be pushed and he's not
going to come in It's not going to be easy.
And I think last year it was easy to sustain
the level of success that he did that got him
a Heisman and got him the number one pick. This
is not going to be easy. He's going to be
pushed every week to learn and grow. He's not going
to be able to make this mistake twice. And if
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he does any stuff in the Chicago market, which I've
played in, if he does any stuff that's just kind
of silly in the Chicago market, it's going to be
exacerbated and it's going to feel a lot bigger. I
don't see any of that coming. I think he's going
to play well early and I just think that he's grown.
He's going to be pushed so much that you're not
going to see any of the stuff that I would
attribute to boredom as opposed to I would attribute to character.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
That's such a good smart take in J mack. Hohs Jmack.
You could deliver those kind of takes once in a while.
That was really smart. That whole thing about you. You
hold a kid back and they get bored, they get
in more trouble. I don't know Jordan or Jordan gets
this stuff. He didn't know that question was coming.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
That was good.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Okay, uh Quarterback Summit, Say hi to your brother. You
keep crushing. He's got a new nutrition company, Thread Performance.
Is there a website or something I can go to?
Speaker 6 (28:47):
How do I know?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
How do I find out about that?
Speaker 6 (28:49):
Yeah, we're launching presale next week thread Performance, believe it
or not, calling there's a million supplements out there. There's
nothing designed for athletes going through puberty exactly what their
bodies need. I've partnered with some of the best people
in the business US and we're launching presale next week
and yeah, bread Performance dot Com and we're going to
really kind of change the way. This is the you know,
I trained guys. They have a private trainer, they go
(29:10):
to the personal coach, they go to the camps. Nutrition
is the biggest whiff that parents are making and so
we wanted to solve that problem and working on this
for two years and excited for a launch next week.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I love having you on the show, Jordan. I'm fired
up for this weekend. I want to watch these young guys.
Great seeing you man.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
I can't wait, Man, are you kidding me? Football's here.
I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I can't wait either,