September 10, 2024 • 34 mins
Colin has bad news for the Jets after they got dominated by the 49ers in Aaron Rodgers' first full game with New York following last season's Achilles injury. He ranks the top 10 NFL teams after week 1. Super Bowl MVP Julian Edelman joins the show in studio to discuss 49ers QB Brock Purdy and what makes him special despite being the last pick in the draft
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
All right, it's the morning after for Jet fans live
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Julian Edelman stops by today. Nick Wright our Herd hierarchy
Top ten teams in the NFL one hour from now,
Jets will not be in the top ten. I know
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I got pushedback last week because I didn't have them in.
They're definitely not getting in well, j Mac time of
possession now, the Jets had the ball twenty one minutes.
In Aaron Rodgers' entire career. That is his lowest time
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of possession. Oh okay, that includes his first year starting. Hey,
I detect some glee in your voice over the Jets
getting dismembered.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Have a show, Colin, have a show.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So this Aaron Rodgers, this one, this isn't baseball. I
don't care about years ago. This one is forty off
an achilles surgery. He is not mobile. He doesn't leave
a three to four foot radius. He is closer to
Kirk Cousins than Patrick Mahomes athletically. Right now, he has
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a below average offensive coordinator. They have no tight end
production at all. He's prickly and they have one elite receiver.
Cross your fingers. He's never hurt. But the rolling mobile
athletic Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay, that's over. That's high
school juco cal green Bay in his prime, that's over.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
He didn't move much his last year in Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
This Jets offense, let's just talk, offense, is the third
most explosive in their division. I'll give them the edge
over New England. But they don't have a Josh Allen.
They don't have a Tyreek Hill, Jayden Wall the other side,
Mike McDaniel as a coach. It's the third best offense
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in their division, and it's an offensive lead. The Jets
scored thirteen points. They had one legitimate drive. The other
touchdown was on a free pass, which I'm told last
night Aaron's the best quarterback ever at the free pass.
I've got my theories. Why you know, there's nothing to lose.
He hates throwing interceptions. Let's throw it down field aggressively.
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But I guess the good news is now it's a
Will Levis, bow Nicks, Jacoby Broussette, Sam Darnold on deck
and Aaron.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I mean again, it can be pretty.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
He can still sling it with time, but the structure
around him is so weak. You have a defensive head
coach who looked over matched last night. I mean, San
Francisco did whatever it wanted to. You have an offensive
coordinator who's completely over his head. You have a so
so offensive line. It appears to be okay, and again
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one great wide receiver. You know, the Jets bought in
Aaron to be the savior, but he that's not his personality.
He wasn't a savior in Green Bay. What was he saving?
They were great the last year of Brett Farb. He
wasn't saving anything. That's not his personality. Saviors are people
that put things on their shoulders and Aaron's aloof He's
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already eye rolling his two best friends on the team,
Nat Hackett All and LAZARREDI I rolled both last night.
He's not a savior. Now, it should be noted he's
never been great recently in Week one. His last four
Week one games, he's been atrocious, completing under sixty percent
of his throws a passer rating of sixty. He's a
bad Week one quarterback. And my guess is he is
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one of the more distracted off season quarterbacks, so he
does not come to camp as focused as you know
Brady in his prime or Manning in his prime, or
Mahomes in his prime. But I don't see anything. I mean,
I've watched football since last Thursday. I saw Kansas City's
offense in Baltimore, in Philadelphia and Green Bay, and I'm
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watching Dallas and I'm watching San Francisco. I don't see
depth of playmakers. I don't see an elusive quarterback. I
don't see brilliant schemes, unbelievable play calling.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I don't see it. I don't.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
This is not close to a top ten offense. And
this Eran again, this Eran isn't the Aaron you remember fondly,
or the one in Ian O'Connor's book. This is old
forty offa surgery, one elite receiver, below average play caller
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Here he was after the mess.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
We expect to greatness when we step on field. There
were moments, for sure. The moments have felt really good,
but not sustained. I think a lot of stuff's correctable,
which is great for coaches. It's frustrating for players because
we know how close we were slash are. This is
a tough opener for us, job of wise and schedule wise,
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but no excuses. We gotta play better. I gotta play better.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
There's the other quarterback, brock Party, who, by the way,
as a starter is eighteen and four with a passer
rating of one thirteen. J Mack loves him. I'm okay
with him, but he does. And last night was another example.
He stays on script and he executes this offensive roster.
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It's insane. It's I don't it's stacked. I mean, tight
end's good, the backup running back's good, the left tackle's
the best ever Debo Jennings, Are you kittle the other
tight end? They didn't even have their best offensive player
last night. He doesn't need more horsepower. It's provided at
left tackle, at running back, one, at running back two
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from the head coach Brandon Aiyuk Deebo Samuel George Kittle.
He doesn't need more horsepower. You can argue it's the jockey,
or it's the horse. All I know is a horse.
San Francisco's offense is Seattle slew, meet secretariat, meet sea biscuit.
It's pro bowlers everywhere. So what do I need more
horsepower for? The Patriots built a dynasty on do your job,
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and that is exactly what brock Purty does. He does
his job the read accurate, throw it to the right place,
get it to the There is no pr guy behind
the scenes talking to Shanahan and John Lynch saying we
need a new campaign. Let Purty cook. He's not interested.
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He's more prep cook than chef. Back read, distribute, playmakers
do the rest. He's the classic postman. He delivers the
gifts on time. You can give him the credit, you
can give the players the credit. But I will say this,
I think he's literally the perfect quarterback for Kyle Shanahan.
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Remember they not anybody can do this. Let's be fair.
They wanted Trey Lams to do this. That's why they
gave up so much draft capital. They wanted somebody else
to do it, and he couldn't. And brock Perty does.
And I love watching San Francisco's offense with brock Perty.
He didn't have a ton of horsepower, didn't have a
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huge arm. He moves okay, not great. He's not Lamar
Kyler Josh Allen, but that's okay. He doesn't add lib
out of the play. Let's be honest. When you watch
San Francisco and you can watch their second running back
look like a top five running back in the league,
A lot of this is Shanahan. You know. I always
said this offense is Shanahan and Christian McCaffrey. After last night,
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it feels more Shanahan than Christian McCaffrey. So not anybody
can do this. Brock Purty does. It's just symphonic. It's beautiful,
it's fun to watch. And here was Kyle Shanahan on
his great always throwing to the right spot, doing the
right thing, reading the right target. Quarterback brock Purty.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
He seemed very very good. I mean there was many
plays that he left out there. I thought he made
some big time plays. I mean they're towards the end,
you know, and got a little conservative, just thought that
we had the game and wanted to focus on winning
the game, so we didn't have him do a lot
there at the end. And he was very smart with
the ball and made sure that there's chance for them
to get back in the game.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Brock Purdy is always smart with the ball. We had
Tom Brady on a couple of weeks ago and we
asked him what is the secret sauce for young quarterbacks?
And Tom said, it's all above the shoulders. See it,
read it, let it rip execute. We spend so much
time on size and moving and horsepower. And yeah, I
watched Brock Purty. This is the most fun I can
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have watching NFL football is watching the Niners offense. Would
it be better if he was six six and wildly
athletic and not nearly as I mean reliably accurate deep
shots down the field that were incomplete? I mean, when
I watch this, it's like that's how football should be played.
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And it feels like, not only is Purty lucky to
have Shanahan as his first coach, but Shanahan feels like
he's lucky to have brock Purdy incredibly coachable, always throws
it to the right place, always on time, nicely packaged,
perfect for the makers to execute after they get the ball. So,
but the bigger issue for the Jets, it's not just
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Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Again.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
The schedule gets really weak now, so that should mean
they won't need Aaron to do a lot of lifting.
But can I ask a question Robert saw as a
defensive coach? What was that defensively? I'll try to explain
it and then unwrap what I watched with the Jets
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defense last night. Coming up next, Herd Hierarchy forty five
minutes from now.
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All right, here we go. My takeaway on the Herd Hierarchy.
There are two teams in this league that I think
are really good. I'm not sure there's a third. I'm
not sure. I think we have two really good teams
in this league, and i'll bunch of uneven lobsided teams
and bad quarterback play. Here we go, heard Hierarchy, Tim,
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Now go the top ten.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
NFL teams according to College Number.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Ten listen, Baker Mayfield was fantastic. Tampa scored on seven
of eight drives. Baker was twenty four of thirty and
totally comfortable. And that's against Dan Quinn, who's regarded as
a pretty sharp defensive mind. Evans and Godwin thirteen of
fourteen one hundred and forty four yards when targeted. I
don't think Tampa is a great team, but Baker looked
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like the MVP of the league. Bucks at ten, number nine, Listen,
they were in big trouble for a while, but I
know what Miami is and what they are. On a
very distracted day because of that unfortunate Tyreek Hill situation,
they outscored the Jaguars when it mattered thirteen nothing in
the second half. The only team in the league to
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have multiple one hundred yard receivers. Listen, they're not even team.
It's all about the brain and McDaniel, the speed on
the outside in Tua. But right now in the NFL,
that's a top ten team. I like Miami at number nine,
number eight Chargers. Again, they have an identity more rushing
yards than passing yards. Physical play. I thought Joe alt
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for a rookie was unbelievable. Did not allow a single
pressure eleven snaps against Max Crosby. So they are a
at tackle, a at rush end, a at quarterback, and
a at coach.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
They have an identity.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Ninety percent of this league this morning doesn't have an identity.
Chargers at eight, number seven. Maybe it's low the Texans.
They're still young, and that was a tough road game,
but they didn't have any turnovers. C J. Stroud played clean.
They had four hundred and seventeen total yards. You know,
I'm I'm about a week from putting them at number three.
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If they go home and hammer the Bears, I think
I may move the Texans to number three. I'm not
quite ready, but good God, Stefon Diggs comes in touchdowns.
Joe Mixon bang. I cannot believe how quickly they have
built this roster up. I'm a semi believer. If they
hammer the Bears, I think I'm putting them at three
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right now. I've got them at seven, number six, and
it's just experience. Why I have the Ravens at six
because I worry about Baltimore's offensive line. Three new starters,
But you know, what. They didn't even play that well,
and they almost beat Kansas City at Arrowhead. I just
love the players and the things I love about Baltimore.
I truly love the owner, the coach, Lamar Stanley, the toughness. Listen,
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if you can go toe to toe with what appears
to be an excellent, better than last year Chiefs team
and lose by an inch and a half, you're pretty
damn good. Ravens at six, number five, But I'll give
the Cowboys credit. I turned the fourth quarter off. Sorry Fox,
Sorry Tom. It was a blowout. I mean, they got
so many pressures onto Shan Watson. Now some of that
is the offensive line. Cleveland was a mess, like the
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Rams was. It was using backups. So I don't want
to go too crazy on Dallas. I stall thought situationally
on that sixty six yard field goal.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
It's Dallas and it was a.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Banged up team. But I'm gonna give them credit. I
know it's September, I know it's hype, but I'll put
the Cowboys at five.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Number four.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
The Lions played poorly in one. That's the sign of
a good team. Their defense allowed three hundred and four
passing yards, but some of that is McVeigh, Stafford, Cooper Cup.
That's what the Rams do. But but I did think
many of the completions and throws were great plays by Stafford,
not bad defense. It wasn't like the Jets last night
where guys were wide open all over the field. Stafford
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made amazing throws and the offensive line right where it
should be. With PFF is number one again, I think
this is a power team, not a pretty team. They
got a little cute and pretty against the Rams. I
think they should be running the football forty five times
a game. Number three, it's weird. I think it's the Eagles,
and I don't know if they're good. They're bad defensively.
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Now some of that's Green Bay's great offensively, but let's
be honest. AJ Brown and Devonte Smith seventy five yards
plus rushing Saquon Barkley over one hundred yards. Jalen hurts
they got nothing but weapons offensively, and this is an
offensive league. Well, their defense isn't good. Well, the Jets
defense was atrocious last night, and that's supposed to be
a good one. The Ravens defense is supposed to be
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a good defense. Kansas City did whatever they wanted I mean,
you keep telling me about all these great defenses, doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
At the end of the year, it's all offenses.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
All I see with Philadelphia is playmakers everywhere all over
the field. So even though Jalen Hurts had some turnovers,
there were a machine. I think green Bay could get
to the Super Bowl and green Bay couldn't stop them.
Number two San Francisco eight straight scoring drives against the Jets.
I could put them at number one, but I have
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so much respect to be able to beat the Ravens.
I'm not going to it is the Jets. I think
what's amazing is an undrafted running back. You got a
tight end from Harvard, a seventh round receiver, a seventh
round quarterback, didn't have Christian McCaffrey, and they did whatever
they wanted to everything interior, running, outside running, jet sweep stream,
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everything they wanted to do they did. All those first
rounders on defense for the Jets pushed all over the
field by six and seven rounders.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Number one, I'll give it.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
To Kansas City seven yards of play against the Ravens defense.
And again I'll go back to this, who really plays
great defense in the league. If you're great situationally, then
you're great.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
In the NFL.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Dallas had a great pass rush against Cleveland's backup all line.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I think the bottom line is Xavier Worthy touched the
ball three times and had two touchdowns. That had to
be encouraging Hollywood Brown's coming back. I think we have
I'll say it again, I think we have two great
teams in the league. After that, Baltimore and Philadelphia Detroit
are flawed teams. Philadelphia and Detroit's back end defense didn't
very good and Baltimore's online concerns if they didn't have
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Lamar Jackson. I don't know what I think, but they do,
so they'll get away with an average offensive line. Boy,
I saw some bad quarterback play this weekend, but not
with Mahomes and brock Perty.
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that during the break. He's been a great, seamless fit.
So a lot, a lot of what I look at
from a football team is a simple question, what are
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you new? England came out really physical against Cincinnati, so
they've defined what they want to be. I watched the
Jets last night. I don't know what they are like.
I don't they get no tight end production. They don't
love their oc Aaron. Now, Julian doesn't move, He's Kirk Cousins.
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He's sitting back, he not moving around. That's the new erin.
I guess there's hope. But I mean, you had some
probably game ones of the year. Do you kind of
look at the Jets and go, hey, it's Week one,
they'll be fine, or do you see things that you
wonder if that's just what they are.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
You know, I pumped the brake with the whole Jets
game last night. We got to put it into reality.
They played the defending NFC championship team against the forty
nine Ers, a team that has continuity, that's played with
each other for multiple years. Now, we can't just expect
the Jets, who were a seven win seat seven win
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team last year, to go out there and compete with
like one of the best teams in the league. Now.
Week one is always a little tricky. There's things that happen,
you don't understand, you don't prepare for, you over prepare
for certain things that don't happen. And Aaron Rodgers is
coming off an Achilles injury, so like that he hasn't
played with that team in a long time. You know,
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I think this could be used as a good thing
for the Jets if they take this as a measuring
stick game, like, hey, guys, we just played a championship team,
which you heard him in the postgame talk about that
and say we need to, you know, step up that
urgency in the building. Everywhere everywhere, everywhere, and then they
also could use it for you know, they got they
got gashed by a Kyle Shanahan offense, who who runs
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that same exact offense Miami. They play them twice a year,
so they got a little jump start for Miami. You
could take that, and then also like we don't that
that offense has so much catching up to do. I mean,
Breece Hall is still there. Wilson's a really good target,
and Aaron Rodgers he's smart enough to learn what he
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has to do to be productive. That was his first
game with live action bullets, So like I'm pumping the
brakes on the whole thing. He could still throw the ball.
You can see he can still throw the ball. So
once they start figuring out like everyone who their team is,
everyone may not. You said that there's a few teams
that have certain identities. Yeah, they're they're trying to be
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that identity and at worked this week. They still have
to develop that for the next two three weeks. You
know that. It's it's not like we're not like pushing
panic button on the Jets.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
So you were a seventh round pick from Kent State.
Brock Purty's a seventh round pick. And when you're a
seventh round pick, you're usually not a four to three
guy or not a six or four guy. But there
is a determination that comes with later round picks. I mean,
last night the Niners had an undrafted running back, a
seventh round quarterback, a seventh round receiver. Do you ever
look at like with a Brock party, did you look
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at Being a seventh rounder is a bit of an
advantage because expectations are so low. You're like in the
shadows of the building. I mean, I look at Brock pretty,
there's no pressure like I mean, you watch these Caleb
Williams and then it's Jade and Daniels. We're already banging
on him after a week one. Pretty to me looks
so comfortable with what he is. But that's just when
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I see a quarterback, I see a kid at not
nervous feet makes the right read. He's a cerebral kid
obviously to pick it up, I mean, what do you
see do you see do you see a guy that's
going to be limited eventually? Or are we looking at
the best seventh round quarterback ever taken?
Speaker 6 (22:00):
He could be looking at the best seventh round quarterback
we've ever taken in the league. And for the sheer
fact that he is always improving. So if he struggled
some last week with a certain throw, you see him
go after it the next week and he makes that throw.
He still fits the ball in tight windows. And he's
gonna grow more when like the playmakers start disin appear,
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you know, because in the next two or three years,
he's gonna he's gonna lose a kiddle, he's gonna lose
a debo, and that's when you'll see his growth. You're
not gonna see it right now. He's a really great
game day operator who delivers the football where it needs
to be. He knows how to identify the defense, he
knows how to call out the protection. And those are
huge things for a quarterback to do. If if you
get like three of those things or two of those
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things done, then you could start using your football athleticism.
You could start learning the game. You know. It's all
these people that like rag On brock Purdy for being
a game manager, Like that's that's your job as a quarterback.
You are the game manager. Like you go out, you
call the play, you touch the you touch the ball
every play and so you have the mercy of the
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team in your hands at every single play that you
have that you touch the ball. So, like, why wouldn't
you want a guy that's gonna make great decisions, that
can see the defense, that can communicate the play, that
can see who matchups, Like, that's that's what you want
at the quarterback position. I think brock Perty's doing a
great job. I hope he continues to keep it going.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
So it's crazy to me, the Chargers didn't win football
games unless they score twenty four points or more. Sunday
they score they only score twenty two and they win decisively.
Described me, or explain to me how a coach can
come in with the same players and they are significantly
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more physical. It's the same guys now in their first
two picks were offensive guys. What does Harbaugh do at
every stop? I mean, tell me a coach you had,
like to me, offens, choreography, an efficiency. Defense is a
lot of physicality and willing to be violent.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Yeah, willing to.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Test your soul. I mean I watched the Chargers. I'm like,
it's the same guys. That defense was just different.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
You could argue they have a worse team. This year
like talently. Oh yeah, yeah, you know, and it goes
down to how they practice, how they prepare. And you
could I sat down with Harrorball once when you know
I was coming, I was in free agency, and you
could just see this guy had a different like tune
to him, like he just lived, breathe died football. And
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when you have a guy like that, I know for
a fact those guys practice hard. I know their practices
are probably mentally grueling. I know he has this whole
stick where he's like, oh, the fun guy. But I
guarantee behind closed doors, he'll get up in you if
you need it, if the team needs it. And and
that's what's being shown on the game field. A tough
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team that practice is hard, that prepared, that has the
discipline to do what it takes to win a game,
not put up numbers or make headlines, doing what it
takes to win that specific game. That's what Harball does. Well.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, I got to ask you about the Patriots. We
had talked about it during the week, and I'm like, listen,
T Higgins has gone, Boyd is gone, Mixing's gone. Those
are elite players. I'm like, I don't know what I'm
gonna get one of the It was a corner game
for me. It wasn't the game I watched primarily. The
one thing that was obvious was how physical they were.
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The tackling was good. I mean, is it a one off?
What did you take from that team?
Speaker 6 (25:41):
You know, with a game that the Patriots played and
to come out on Week one and have a big
victory against the team they probably should have lost to.
It's great for that building because that coaching staff drawed Mayo,
everything that this this staff has been preaching to the
team and or organized team activities, mini camps, training camp,
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everything that they've been preaching just showed that it worked right.
So if they continue to play, messaging work, the messaging work.
So that's how you get guys to buy in. That's
how you get your confidence to grow bigger. That's how
you get guys to come in a little earlier. Because
everything that they work hard on, they got some production
out of it. They got they got a little taste
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of what what it tastes like to win and be
one and oh so you know, going into this second
week against Seattle, Seattle's got to come across the country. Yep,
you know, they got a new head coach the Patriots.
If they play the game the way they played last week,
they'll win. They'll win this week. They'll be two and oh,
you know, mistake free, get a couple turnovers when the
when the special teams battle, win on third down. They
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did every single one of those things. It looked like
a stereotypical Bill Belichick type game. You know, with the
messaging from Drawd Mayo, which is is ironic that you
know also with Seattle that these two teams have different coaches,
but it seems like they have this philosophies of the
coaches before with a person that can communicated differently.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, so Bill Belichick's on Instagram? Are you following him?
Speaker 6 (27:08):
I think I am following coach.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I will say, Bill's got a wealth of information and
knowledge and wisdom. I think, you know, I don't blame him.
He's like Ryan Seacrest. Somebody told me today he's like
got nine jobs and good for him. But I but
I will say, when I see him, he's he's he's
kind of disconnected from coaching briefly. And I and I
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said this when I work with Sean Payton. Bill's got
too much wisdom.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
To do what we do. Like, there's too much there
he has to give.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
If I just said, where will he because he's gonna
give it, He's gonna send his resume out again. Do
you think he's kind of a Northeast guy? It'll be
in like like, for instance, Jets comes open, you think
he would stay? Would he take it? Does he feel
like to you there's like five jobs he would take?
Or is the league open to him?
Speaker 6 (28:01):
I think the situation has to be right. Northeast probably helps.
He's got family there. Yeah, that's where all the family's at.
You know. The real enticing one it to me is
is if the New York Giants open up. And I'm
not calling for anyone's job. I love day ball. Day
ball is my favor, but you know the fate of
what they've put on the field, Daniel Jones, you know,
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and then you're gonna go down with that ship. And
so if that opens up, I remember vividly anytime we
played in New York or we played the Giants, you
could just see a little like jingle in Belichick's spirit
because he loved talking about those old Giants teams and
he loved talking about that organization. You know, you could
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tell that he loved the New York Football Giants and
with everything that he exemplified from the old footage of
when he was the DC at you know, the Giants
playing against that West Coast, same kind of te trap
play the Niners ran that everyone runs like. He would
bring up these old Giants. He just loves the Giants.
So I think that would be, you know, probably the
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place he would want to go to. But depending on
other situations, I mean, he's gonna he's gonna probably want
to go somewhere where he doesn't have to, you know,
rebuild something completely. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Well, I mean in affairs, he does see the value
of quarterback.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
He does.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I mean I think that's like I mean, I bet
that's why Harball went to the Chargers. You get Herbert. Yeah,
that's why it's a great gig. Cowboys, Dak Prescott. Although
I will tell you I want to talk Dallas. I
will tell you is that people bang on Mike McCarthy
and I've been critical. And because it's the Cowboys job, Julian,
it's on TV, so any clock snaffoo, any situational mistake.
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I mean, I remember when Andy Reid was in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Oh yeah, was getting crushed. And I'm like, if he's
in Jackson Build, nobody watches the games.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I watched Dallas. I thought they'd looked spectacularly well coached.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
They did, and they I always do they. I mean
the regular season, they look great. And I went on
the pregame show, I went on Fox Kickoff and said,
you know, I'm not worried about Dak Prescott this this week.
I'm not worried about Dak Prescott in Week thirteen. I'm
worried about Dak Prescott in December and December and January.
That's when you really want to see if all the
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the investment of everything they did in the off season
during this that's when it matters, you know, because going
twelve and four and getting knocked out in the first
round again, like, that's not what we're looking for. So,
you know, Dallas, Dak Prescott's a really good football player.
We all know that Ceedee Lamb looked like he didn't
miss a.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Beat, didn't he And they, to their credit, they got
the ball to CD Lamb and they.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
Got the ball to ceed Lamb. Mike McCarthy, I mean,
he's a great football coach. He got a Super Bowl.
But like you're also, like you just said, we're playing
and every game is on TV. I mean we talked
about Dallas on this show all off season, and that's
how it's always going to be, you know. So the
expectations are always extremely high, which they make those expectations high.
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And so if you know it, if it goes sour
or if it goes it goes in the wrong direction.
This this playoffs, I could see them making a move. Yeah,
and it's not like they're they're firing them. It's just
they're not renewing the contract. So it makes everyone look
all right.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, when you were in the league, I'll wrap it
up this. When you were in the league, New England
didn't do a lot of splashy acquisitions and free agency.
It was draft developed. They'd find like a B player
that was a good fit. They'd go to Cleveland find
a linebacker. But it's interesting because Baker had a reputation
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Baker Mayfield, and then he goes to Tampa and it's
like he's grown up, he's changed, and it's like he
drove me nuts in Cleveland. Now he's one of my
favorite quarterbacks. In your experience, in the NFL, It's like
he's had a little bit of a personality makeover.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
He's grown up.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Did you see that happen a lot where a guy
comes in and he gets money, he's immature, and then
his next stop it's like, oh, he's a grown up?
Or are you what you are? I mean, go to
your career like Matt Slater was mature the first day,
walked into the building.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah. I mean, there's just guys. But in terms of
most of the guys you played with, they are what
they are or are there some Baker Mayfield where it's
like wow, I'm humbled and they really change and become
much better leaders and more adult.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
Yeah yeah, I don't have a specific example of that,
but it does happen. I mean, you look at rich
Gannon early in his career, he wasn't anything, and then
he goes to the Raiders and becomes MVP MVP and
was like one of the first change your arm trajectory
type quarterbacks. Like you know, sometimes these guys get little
taste a second life when they get a change the environment.
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And Baker Mayfield has done that, and you know what
a perfect situation for him. I heard you talking about,
you know, he doesn't have the expectations following Tom Brady,
but also going into a team that has continuity for
like the last eight years. I mean they had the
same tea. You know, they have one of the best
tackles in the leagues with Wurfs. They got Godwin and
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Evans who are like really good football players. So like,
you know, that's a perfect thing. But you know, I
don't have any specific examples. Uh, you know, we we
pretty much had a lot of good dudes in our
locker room. Like if and if you weren't, you weren't there.
And that's just how it was in New England. But
you know another team that does that, I think that
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had that get that always has a pretty tight locker
room that I was just so impressed with was the
San Francisco forty nine ers. Like this Mason kid, undrafted
guy comes and it's not just Kyle Shanahan that we
got to give our credit to. It's got to be
John Lynch. It's gotta be the York family because that
whole that that trifecta that they have, like to be
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able to find a rock Purty, to be able to
have a running back, come in and and do what
he did the Mason one hundred and forty yards against
a really good defense. Like that's continuity and that that
comes from the trifectas.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
So yeah, you know, San Francisco does a better job
of getting Kittles a fest rounder, of getting production.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
And then making a splash with Williams. Hey, hey we
need to we need to address something. Let's get Williams. Yeah,
I mean that.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
That's that.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
You got to tip your cap to everyone over there,
and they got to get it done this year. So
there's no more, you know, let's get it done boys.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
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Top ten teams in the NFL one hour from now,
Jets will not be in the top ten. I know
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I got pushedback last week because I didn't have them in.
They're definitely not getting in well, j Mac time of
possession now, the Jets had the ball twenty one minutes.
In Aaron Rodgers' entire career. That is his lowest time
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of possession. Oh okay, that includes his first year starting. Hey,
I detect some glee in your voice over the Jets
getting dismembered.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Have a show, Colin, have a show.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So this Aaron Rodgers, this one, this isn't baseball. I
don't care about years ago. This one is forty off
an achilles surgery. He is not mobile. He doesn't leave
a three to four foot radius. He is closer to
Kirk Cousins than Patrick Mahomes athletically. Right now, he has
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a below average offensive coordinator. They have no tight end
production at all. He's prickly and they have one elite receiver.
Cross your fingers. He's never hurt. But the rolling mobile
athletic Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay, that's over. That's high
school juco cal green Bay in his prime, that's over.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
He didn't move much his last year in Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
This Jets offense, let's just talk, offense, is the third
most explosive in their division. I'll give them the edge
over New England. But they don't have a Josh Allen.
They don't have a Tyreek Hill, Jayden Wall the other side,
Mike McDaniel as a coach. It's the third best offense
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in their division, and it's an offensive lead. The Jets
scored thirteen points. They had one legitimate drive. The other
touchdown was on a free pass, which I'm told last
night Aaron's the best quarterback ever at the free pass.
I've got my theories. Why you know, there's nothing to lose.
He hates throwing interceptions. Let's throw it down field aggressively.
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But I guess the good news is now it's a
Will Levis, bow Nicks, Jacoby Broussette, Sam Darnold on deck
and Aaron.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I mean again, it can be pretty.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
He can still sling it with time, but the structure
around him is so weak. You have a defensive head
coach who looked over matched last night. I mean, San
Francisco did whatever it wanted to. You have an offensive
coordinator who's completely over his head. You have a so
so offensive line. It appears to be okay, and again
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one great wide receiver. You know, the Jets bought in
Aaron to be the savior, but he that's not his personality.
He wasn't a savior in Green Bay. What was he saving?
They were great the last year of Brett Farb. He
wasn't saving anything. That's not his personality. Saviors are people
that put things on their shoulders and Aaron's aloof He's
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already eye rolling his two best friends on the team,
Nat Hackett All and LAZARREDI I rolled both last night.
He's not a savior. Now, it should be noted he's
never been great recently in Week one. His last four
Week one games, he's been atrocious, completing under sixty percent
of his throws a passer rating of sixty. He's a
bad Week one quarterback. And my guess is he is
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one of the more distracted off season quarterbacks, so he
does not come to camp as focused as you know
Brady in his prime or Manning in his prime, or
Mahomes in his prime. But I don't see anything. I mean,
I've watched football since last Thursday. I saw Kansas City's
offense in Baltimore, in Philadelphia and Green Bay, and I'm
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watching Dallas and I'm watching San Francisco. I don't see
depth of playmakers. I don't see an elusive quarterback. I
don't see brilliant schemes, unbelievable play calling.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I don't see it. I don't.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
This is not close to a top ten offense. And
this Eran again, this Eran isn't the Aaron you remember fondly,
or the one in Ian O'Connor's book. This is old
forty offa surgery, one elite receiver, below average play caller
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Here he was after the mess.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
We expect to greatness when we step on field. There
were moments, for sure. The moments have felt really good,
but not sustained. I think a lot of stuff's correctable,
which is great for coaches. It's frustrating for players because
we know how close we were slash are. This is
a tough opener for us, job of wise and schedule wise,
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but no excuses. We gotta play better. I gotta play better.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
There's the other quarterback, brock Party, who, by the way,
as a starter is eighteen and four with a passer
rating of one thirteen. J Mack loves him. I'm okay
with him, but he does. And last night was another example.
He stays on script and he executes this offensive roster.
(06:03):
It's insane. It's I don't it's stacked. I mean, tight
end's good, the backup running back's good, the left tackle's
the best ever Debo Jennings, Are you kittle the other
tight end? They didn't even have their best offensive player
last night. He doesn't need more horsepower. It's provided at
left tackle, at running back, one, at running back two
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from the head coach Brandon Aiyuk Deebo Samuel George Kittle.
He doesn't need more horsepower. You can argue it's the jockey,
or it's the horse. All I know is a horse.
San Francisco's offense is Seattle slew, meet secretariat, meet sea biscuit.
It's pro bowlers everywhere. So what do I need more
horsepower for? The Patriots built a dynasty on do your job,
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and that is exactly what brock Purty does. He does
his job the read accurate, throw it to the right place,
get it to the There is no pr guy behind
the scenes talking to Shanahan and John Lynch saying we
need a new campaign. Let Purty cook. He's not interested.
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He's more prep cook than chef. Back read, distribute, playmakers
do the rest. He's the classic postman. He delivers the
gifts on time. You can give him the credit, you
can give the players the credit. But I will say this,
I think he's literally the perfect quarterback for Kyle Shanahan.
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Remember they not anybody can do this. Let's be fair.
They wanted Trey Lams to do this. That's why they
gave up so much draft capital. They wanted somebody else
to do it, and he couldn't. And brock Perty does.
And I love watching San Francisco's offense with brock Perty.
He didn't have a ton of horsepower, didn't have a
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huge arm. He moves okay, not great. He's not Lamar
Kyler Josh Allen, but that's okay. He doesn't add lib
out of the play. Let's be honest. When you watch
San Francisco and you can watch their second running back
look like a top five running back in the league,
A lot of this is Shanahan. You know. I always
said this offense is Shanahan and Christian McCaffrey. After last night,
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it feels more Shanahan than Christian McCaffrey. So not anybody
can do this. Brock Purty does. It's just symphonic. It's beautiful,
it's fun to watch. And here was Kyle Shanahan on
his great always throwing to the right spot, doing the
right thing, reading the right target. Quarterback brock Purty.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
He seemed very very good. I mean there was many
plays that he left out there. I thought he made
some big time plays. I mean they're towards the end,
you know, and got a little conservative, just thought that
we had the game and wanted to focus on winning
the game, so we didn't have him do a lot
there at the end. And he was very smart with
the ball and made sure that there's chance for them
to get back in the game.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Brock Purdy is always smart with the ball. We had
Tom Brady on a couple of weeks ago and we
asked him what is the secret sauce for young quarterbacks?
And Tom said, it's all above the shoulders. See it,
read it, let it rip execute. We spend so much
time on size and moving and horsepower. And yeah, I
watched Brock Purty. This is the most fun I can
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have watching NFL football is watching the Niners offense. Would
it be better if he was six six and wildly
athletic and not nearly as I mean reliably accurate deep
shots down the field that were incomplete? I mean, when
I watch this, it's like that's how football should be played.
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And it feels like, not only is Purty lucky to
have Shanahan as his first coach, but Shanahan feels like
he's lucky to have brock Purdy incredibly coachable, always throws
it to the right place, always on time, nicely packaged,
perfect for the makers to execute after they get the ball. So,
but the bigger issue for the Jets, it's not just
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Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Again.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
The schedule gets really weak now, so that should mean
they won't need Aaron to do a lot of lifting.
But can I ask a question Robert saw as a
defensive coach? What was that defensively? I'll try to explain
it and then unwrap what I watched with the Jets
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defense last night. Coming up next, Herd Hierarchy forty five
minutes from now.
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Speaker 1 (10:45):
All right, here we go. My takeaway on the Herd Hierarchy.
There are two teams in this league that I think
are really good. I'm not sure there's a third. I'm
not sure. I think we have two really good teams
in this league, and i'll bunch of uneven lobsided teams
and bad quarterback play. Here we go, heard Hierarchy, Tim,
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Now go the top ten.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
NFL teams according to College Number.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Ten listen, Baker Mayfield was fantastic. Tampa scored on seven
of eight drives. Baker was twenty four of thirty and
totally comfortable. And that's against Dan Quinn, who's regarded as
a pretty sharp defensive mind. Evans and Godwin thirteen of
fourteen one hundred and forty four yards when targeted. I
don't think Tampa is a great team, but Baker looked
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like the MVP of the league. Bucks at ten, number nine, Listen,
they were in big trouble for a while, but I
know what Miami is and what they are. On a
very distracted day because of that unfortunate Tyreek Hill situation,
they outscored the Jaguars when it mattered thirteen nothing in
the second half. The only team in the league to
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have multiple one hundred yard receivers. Listen, they're not even team.
It's all about the brain and McDaniel, the speed on
the outside in Tua. But right now in the NFL,
that's a top ten team. I like Miami at number nine,
number eight Chargers. Again, they have an identity more rushing
yards than passing yards. Physical play. I thought Joe alt
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for a rookie was unbelievable. Did not allow a single
pressure eleven snaps against Max Crosby. So they are a
at tackle, a at rush end, a at quarterback, and
a at coach.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
They have an identity.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Ninety percent of this league this morning doesn't have an identity.
Chargers at eight, number seven. Maybe it's low the Texans.
They're still young, and that was a tough road game,
but they didn't have any turnovers. C J. Stroud played clean.
They had four hundred and seventeen total yards. You know,
I'm I'm about a week from putting them at number three.
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If they go home and hammer the Bears, I think
I may move the Texans to number three. I'm not
quite ready, but good God, Stefon Diggs comes in touchdowns.
Joe Mixon bang. I cannot believe how quickly they have
built this roster up. I'm a semi believer. If they
hammer the Bears, I think I'm putting them at three
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right now. I've got them at seven, number six, and
it's just experience. Why I have the Ravens at six
because I worry about Baltimore's offensive line. Three new starters,
But you know, what. They didn't even play that well,
and they almost beat Kansas City at Arrowhead. I just
love the players and the things I love about Baltimore.
I truly love the owner, the coach, Lamar Stanley, the toughness. Listen,
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if you can go toe to toe with what appears
to be an excellent, better than last year Chiefs team
and lose by an inch and a half, you're pretty
damn good. Ravens at six, number five, But I'll give
the Cowboys credit. I turned the fourth quarter off. Sorry Fox,
Sorry Tom. It was a blowout. I mean, they got
so many pressures onto Shan Watson. Now some of that
is the offensive line. Cleveland was a mess, like the
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Rams was. It was using backups. So I don't want
to go too crazy on Dallas. I stall thought situationally
on that sixty six yard field goal.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
It's Dallas and it was a.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Banged up team. But I'm gonna give them credit. I
know it's September, I know it's hype, but I'll put
the Cowboys at five.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Number four.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
The Lions played poorly in one. That's the sign of
a good team. Their defense allowed three hundred and four
passing yards, but some of that is McVeigh, Stafford, Cooper Cup.
That's what the Rams do. But but I did think
many of the completions and throws were great plays by Stafford,
not bad defense. It wasn't like the Jets last night
where guys were wide open all over the field. Stafford
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made amazing throws and the offensive line right where it
should be. With PFF is number one again, I think
this is a power team, not a pretty team. They
got a little cute and pretty against the Rams. I
think they should be running the football forty five times
a game. Number three, it's weird. I think it's the Eagles,
and I don't know if they're good. They're bad defensively.
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Now some of that's Green Bay's great offensively, but let's
be honest. AJ Brown and Devonte Smith seventy five yards
plus rushing Saquon Barkley over one hundred yards. Jalen hurts
they got nothing but weapons offensively, and this is an
offensive league. Well, their defense isn't good. Well, the Jets
defense was atrocious last night, and that's supposed to be
a good one. The Ravens defense is supposed to be
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a good defense. Kansas City did whatever they wanted I mean,
you keep telling me about all these great defenses, doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
At the end of the year, it's all offenses.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
All I see with Philadelphia is playmakers everywhere all over
the field. So even though Jalen Hurts had some turnovers,
there were a machine. I think green Bay could get
to the Super Bowl and green Bay couldn't stop them.
Number two San Francisco eight straight scoring drives against the Jets.
I could put them at number one, but I have
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so much respect to be able to beat the Ravens.
I'm not going to it is the Jets. I think
what's amazing is an undrafted running back. You got a
tight end from Harvard, a seventh round receiver, a seventh
round quarterback, didn't have Christian McCaffrey, and they did whatever
they wanted to everything interior, running, outside running, jet sweep stream,
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everything they wanted to do they did. All those first
rounders on defense for the Jets pushed all over the
field by six and seven rounders.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Number one, I'll give it.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
To Kansas City seven yards of play against the Ravens defense.
And again I'll go back to this, who really plays
great defense in the league. If you're great situationally, then
you're great.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
In the NFL.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Dallas had a great pass rush against Cleveland's backup all line.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I think the bottom line is Xavier Worthy touched the
ball three times and had two touchdowns. That had to
be encouraging Hollywood Brown's coming back. I think we have
I'll say it again, I think we have two great
teams in the league. After that, Baltimore and Philadelphia Detroit
are flawed teams. Philadelphia and Detroit's back end defense didn't
very good and Baltimore's online concerns if they didn't have
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Lamar Jackson. I don't know what I think, but they do,
so they'll get away with an average offensive line. Boy,
I saw some bad quarterback play this weekend, but not
with Mahomes and brock Perty.
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Jillian Edelman twelve NFL seasons. He's got that podcast Games
with Names. Every episode every Tuesday, a new episode. He's
also on Fox NFL Kickoff. We were just talking about
that during the break. He's been a great, seamless fit.
So a lot, a lot of what I look at
from a football team is a simple question, what are
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you new? England came out really physical against Cincinnati, so
they've defined what they want to be. I watched the
Jets last night. I don't know what they are like.
I don't they get no tight end production. They don't
love their oc Aaron. Now, Julian doesn't move, He's Kirk Cousins.
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He's sitting back, he not moving around. That's the new erin.
I guess there's hope. But I mean, you had some
probably game ones of the year. Do you kind of
look at the Jets and go, hey, it's Week one,
they'll be fine, or do you see things that you
wonder if that's just what they are.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
You know, I pumped the brake with the whole Jets
game last night. We got to put it into reality.
They played the defending NFC championship team against the forty
nine Ers, a team that has continuity, that's played with
each other for multiple years. Now, we can't just expect
the Jets, who were a seven win seat seven win
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team last year, to go out there and compete with
like one of the best teams in the league. Now.
Week one is always a little tricky. There's things that happen,
you don't understand, you don't prepare for, you over prepare
for certain things that don't happen. And Aaron Rodgers is
coming off an Achilles injury, so like that he hasn't
played with that team in a long time. You know,
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I think this could be used as a good thing
for the Jets if they take this as a measuring
stick game, like, hey, guys, we just played a championship team,
which you heard him in the postgame talk about that
and say we need to, you know, step up that
urgency in the building. Everywhere everywhere, everywhere, and then they
also could use it for you know, they got they
got gashed by a Kyle Shanahan offense, who who runs
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that same exact offense Miami. They play them twice a year,
so they got a little jump start for Miami. You
could take that, and then also like we don't that
that offense has so much catching up to do. I mean,
Breece Hall is still there. Wilson's a really good target,
and Aaron Rodgers he's smart enough to learn what he
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has to do to be productive. That was his first
game with live action bullets, So like I'm pumping the
brakes on the whole thing. He could still throw the ball.
You can see he can still throw the ball. So
once they start figuring out like everyone who their team is,
everyone may not. You said that there's a few teams
that have certain identities. Yeah, they're they're trying to be
(20:50):
that identity and at worked this week. They still have
to develop that for the next two three weeks. You
know that. It's it's not like we're not like pushing
panic button on the Jets.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
So you were a seventh round pick from Kent State.
Brock Purty's a seventh round pick. And when you're a
seventh round pick, you're usually not a four to three
guy or not a six or four guy. But there
is a determination that comes with later round picks. I mean,
last night the Niners had an undrafted running back, a
seventh round quarterback, a seventh round receiver. Do you ever
look at like with a Brock party, did you look
(21:21):
at Being a seventh rounder is a bit of an
advantage because expectations are so low. You're like in the
shadows of the building. I mean, I look at Brock pretty,
there's no pressure like I mean, you watch these Caleb
Williams and then it's Jade and Daniels. We're already banging
on him after a week one. Pretty to me looks
so comfortable with what he is. But that's just when
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I see a quarterback, I see a kid at not
nervous feet makes the right read. He's a cerebral kid
obviously to pick it up, I mean, what do you
see do you see do you see a guy that's
going to be limited eventually? Or are we looking at
the best seventh round quarterback ever taken?
Speaker 6 (22:00):
He could be looking at the best seventh round quarterback
we've ever taken in the league. And for the sheer
fact that he is always improving. So if he struggled
some last week with a certain throw, you see him
go after it the next week and he makes that throw.
He still fits the ball in tight windows. And he's
gonna grow more when like the playmakers start disin appear,
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you know, because in the next two or three years,
he's gonna he's gonna lose a kiddle, he's gonna lose
a debo, and that's when you'll see his growth. You're
not gonna see it right now. He's a really great
game day operator who delivers the football where it needs
to be. He knows how to identify the defense, he
knows how to call out the protection. And those are
huge things for a quarterback to do. If if you
get like three of those things or two of those
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things done, then you could start using your football athleticism.
You could start learning the game. You know. It's all
these people that like rag On brock Purdy for being
a game manager, Like that's that's your job as a quarterback.
You are the game manager. Like you go out, you
call the play, you touch the you touch the ball
every play and so you have the mercy of the
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team in your hands at every single play that you
have that you touch the ball. So, like, why wouldn't
you want a guy that's gonna make great decisions, that
can see the defense, that can communicate the play, that
can see who matchups, Like, that's that's what you want
at the quarterback position. I think brock Perty's doing a
great job. I hope he continues to keep it going.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
So it's crazy to me, the Chargers didn't win football
games unless they score twenty four points or more. Sunday
they score they only score twenty two and they win decisively.
Described me, or explain to me how a coach can
come in with the same players and they are significantly
(23:49):
more physical. It's the same guys now in their first
two picks were offensive guys. What does Harbaugh do at
every stop? I mean, tell me a coach you had,
like to me, offens, choreography, an efficiency. Defense is a
lot of physicality and willing to be violent.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Yeah, willing to.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Test your soul. I mean I watched the Chargers. I'm like,
it's the same guys. That defense was just different.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
You could argue they have a worse team. This year
like talently. Oh yeah, yeah, you know, and it goes
down to how they practice, how they prepare. And you
could I sat down with Harrorball once when you know
I was coming, I was in free agency, and you
could just see this guy had a different like tune
to him, like he just lived, breathe died football. And
(24:36):
when you have a guy like that, I know for
a fact those guys practice hard. I know their practices
are probably mentally grueling. I know he has this whole
stick where he's like, oh, the fun guy. But I
guarantee behind closed doors, he'll get up in you if
you need it, if the team needs it. And and
that's what's being shown on the game field. A tough
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team that practice is hard, that prepared, that has the
discipline to do what it takes to win a game,
not put up numbers or make headlines, doing what it
takes to win that specific game. That's what Harball does. Well.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, I got to ask you about the Patriots. We
had talked about it during the week, and I'm like, listen,
T Higgins has gone, Boyd is gone, Mixing's gone. Those
are elite players. I'm like, I don't know what I'm
gonna get one of the It was a corner game
for me. It wasn't the game I watched primarily. The
one thing that was obvious was how physical they were.
(25:34):
The tackling was good. I mean, is it a one off?
What did you take from that team?
Speaker 6 (25:41):
You know, with a game that the Patriots played and
to come out on Week one and have a big
victory against the team they probably should have lost to.
It's great for that building because that coaching staff drawed Mayo,
everything that this this staff has been preaching to the
team and or organized team activities, mini camps, training camp,
(26:03):
everything that they've been preaching just showed that it worked right.
So if they continue to play, messaging work, the messaging work.
So that's how you get guys to buy in. That's
how you get your confidence to grow bigger. That's how
you get guys to come in a little earlier. Because
everything that they work hard on, they got some production
out of it. They got they got a little taste
(26:23):
of what what it tastes like to win and be
one and oh so you know, going into this second
week against Seattle, Seattle's got to come across the country. Yep,
you know, they got a new head coach the Patriots.
If they play the game the way they played last week,
they'll win. They'll win this week. They'll be two and oh,
you know, mistake free, get a couple turnovers when the
when the special teams battle, win on third down. They
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did every single one of those things. It looked like
a stereotypical Bill Belichick type game. You know, with the
messaging from Drawd Mayo, which is is ironic that you
know also with Seattle that these two teams have different coaches,
but it seems like they have this philosophies of the
coaches before with a person that can communicated differently.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, so Bill Belichick's on Instagram? Are you following him?
Speaker 6 (27:08):
I think I am following coach.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I will say, Bill's got a wealth of information and
knowledge and wisdom. I think, you know, I don't blame him.
He's like Ryan Seacrest. Somebody told me today he's like
got nine jobs and good for him. But I but
I will say, when I see him, he's he's he's
kind of disconnected from coaching briefly. And I and I
(27:32):
said this when I work with Sean Payton. Bill's got
too much wisdom.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
To do what we do. Like, there's too much there
he has to give.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
If I just said, where will he because he's gonna
give it, He's gonna send his resume out again. Do
you think he's kind of a Northeast guy? It'll be
in like like, for instance, Jets comes open, you think
he would stay? Would he take it? Does he feel
like to you there's like five jobs he would take?
Or is the league open to him?
Speaker 6 (28:01):
I think the situation has to be right. Northeast probably helps.
He's got family there. Yeah, that's where all the family's at.
You know. The real enticing one it to me is
is if the New York Giants open up. And I'm
not calling for anyone's job. I love day ball. Day
ball is my favor, but you know the fate of
what they've put on the field, Daniel Jones, you know,
(28:23):
and then you're gonna go down with that ship. And
so if that opens up, I remember vividly anytime we
played in New York or we played the Giants, you
could just see a little like jingle in Belichick's spirit
because he loved talking about those old Giants teams and
he loved talking about that organization. You know, you could
(28:44):
tell that he loved the New York Football Giants and
with everything that he exemplified from the old footage of
when he was the DC at you know, the Giants
playing against that West Coast, same kind of te trap
play the Niners ran that everyone runs like. He would
bring up these old Giants. He just loves the Giants.
So I think that would be, you know, probably the
(29:07):
place he would want to go to. But depending on
other situations, I mean, he's gonna he's gonna probably want
to go somewhere where he doesn't have to, you know,
rebuild something completely. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Well, I mean in affairs, he does see the value
of quarterback.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
He does.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I mean I think that's like I mean, I bet
that's why Harball went to the Chargers. You get Herbert. Yeah,
that's why it's a great gig. Cowboys, Dak Prescott. Although
I will tell you I want to talk Dallas. I
will tell you is that people bang on Mike McCarthy
and I've been critical. And because it's the Cowboys job, Julian,
it's on TV, so any clock snaffoo, any situational mistake.
(29:47):
I mean, I remember when Andy Reid was in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Oh yeah, was getting crushed. And I'm like, if he's
in Jackson Build, nobody watches the games.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I watched Dallas. I thought they'd looked spectacularly well coached.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
They did, and they I always do they. I mean
the regular season, they look great. And I went on
the pregame show, I went on Fox Kickoff and said,
you know, I'm not worried about Dak Prescott this this week.
I'm not worried about Dak Prescott in Week thirteen. I'm
worried about Dak Prescott in December and December and January.
That's when you really want to see if all the
(30:19):
the investment of everything they did in the off season
during this that's when it matters, you know, because going
twelve and four and getting knocked out in the first
round again, like, that's not what we're looking for. So,
you know, Dallas, Dak Prescott's a really good football player.
We all know that Ceedee Lamb looked like he didn't
miss a.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Beat, didn't he And they, to their credit, they got
the ball to CD Lamb and they.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
Got the ball to ceed Lamb. Mike McCarthy, I mean,
he's a great football coach. He got a Super Bowl.
But like you're also, like you just said, we're playing
and every game is on TV. I mean we talked
about Dallas on this show all off season, and that's
how it's always going to be, you know. So the
expectations are always extremely high, which they make those expectations high.
(31:07):
And so if you know it, if it goes sour
or if it goes it goes in the wrong direction.
This this playoffs, I could see them making a move. Yeah,
and it's not like they're they're firing them. It's just
they're not renewing the contract. So it makes everyone look
all right.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, when you were in the league, I'll wrap it
up this. When you were in the league, New England
didn't do a lot of splashy acquisitions and free agency.
It was draft developed. They'd find like a B player
that was a good fit. They'd go to Cleveland find
a linebacker. But it's interesting because Baker had a reputation
(31:42):
Baker Mayfield, and then he goes to Tampa and it's
like he's grown up, he's changed, and it's like he
drove me nuts in Cleveland. Now he's one of my
favorite quarterbacks. In your experience, in the NFL, It's like
he's had a little bit of a personality makeover.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
He's grown up.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Did you see that happen a lot where a guy
comes in and he gets money, he's immature, and then
his next stop it's like, oh, he's a grown up?
Or are you what you are? I mean, go to
your career like Matt Slater was mature the first day,
walked into the building.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah. I mean, there's just guys. But in terms of
most of the guys you played with, they are what
they are or are there some Baker Mayfield where it's
like wow, I'm humbled and they really change and become
much better leaders and more adult.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
Yeah yeah, I don't have a specific example of that,
but it does happen. I mean, you look at rich
Gannon early in his career, he wasn't anything, and then
he goes to the Raiders and becomes MVP MVP and
was like one of the first change your arm trajectory
type quarterbacks. Like you know, sometimes these guys get little
taste a second life when they get a change the environment.
(32:54):
And Baker Mayfield has done that, and you know what
a perfect situation for him. I heard you talking about,
you know, he doesn't have the expectations following Tom Brady,
but also going into a team that has continuity for
like the last eight years. I mean they had the
same tea. You know, they have one of the best
tackles in the leagues with Wurfs. They got Godwin and
(33:14):
Evans who are like really good football players. So like,
you know, that's a perfect thing. But you know, I
don't have any specific examples. Uh, you know, we we
pretty much had a lot of good dudes in our
locker room. Like if and if you weren't, you weren't there.
And that's just how it was in New England. But
you know another team that does that, I think that
(33:36):
had that get that always has a pretty tight locker
room that I was just so impressed with was the
San Francisco forty nine ers. Like this Mason kid, undrafted
guy comes and it's not just Kyle Shanahan that we
got to give our credit to. It's got to be
John Lynch. It's gotta be the York family because that
whole that that trifecta that they have, like to be
(33:57):
able to find a rock Purty, to be able to
have a running back, come in and and do what
he did the Mason one hundred and forty yards against
a really good defense. Like that's continuity and that that
comes from the trifectas.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
So yeah, you know, San Francisco does a better job
of getting Kittles a fest rounder, of getting production.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
And then making a splash with Williams. Hey, hey we
need to we need to address something. Let's get Williams. Yeah,
I mean that.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
That's that.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
You got to tip your cap to everyone over there,
and they got to get it done this year. So
there's no more, you know, let's get it done boys.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
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Speaker 3 (34:36):
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