December 10, 2024 • 37 mins
Colin celebrates another remarkable performance from Joe Burrow and Ja'Marr Chase and questions if the Bengals will ever maximize their abilities to win a Super Bowl with these all-time great players. He unveils the latest Herd Hierarchy ranking the top 10 NFL teams after week 14. Plus, Hall of Famer Michael Irvin joins the show to dispel rumors about Miami QB Cam Ward and give his thoughts on the Eagles drama between QB Jalen Hurts and WR AJ Brown
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Here we go on to Tuesday. Loaded up in redneed
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for making us part of your day. One hour from now,
Nick Wright and our Herd Hierarchy to playmaker Michael Irvin
stops by. You know you and I have I think Jack.
We both are football first guys. We like the NBA,
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you love college basketball. Both of us like soccer. I'm
a UFC guy as well. I'm I'm moving back to
baseball because of the moves in the last couple of years.
I'm not The baseball playoffs were hard to turn off.
But I was watching last night's game and it felt different.
Cowboys Bengals. Bengals went on to win than most games.
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And I'll tell you why. The reason we watch football
is because we care about the outcomes, and it's not
that way for a lot of sports. In the NBA.
The bottom of the NBA is so large, you end
up watching games sometimes because you just want to watch
like an individual star or two. You don't really care
about who wins the game. And I've been saying this
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all season where the NFL's got to be careful. It's
become so quarterback centric and the rules are so quarterback friendly.
If you don't have a great quarterback, you have not
so you don't want to become the NBA. You want
to care about the outcomes. And last night felt like
an NBA game. All I care about was Joe Burrow
and Jamar Chase. That's the only reason I watched that game.
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And that's what I worry about. The NFL bought it
is getting large. There's like eleven teams that are hard
to watch. Burrow thirty three or forty four, He's absolutely brilliant.
Jamar Chase fourteen catches, game winner, probably the second best
receiver in the entire world. These are all time greats,
but they are stuck in a shaky organization that frankly
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has suboptimal ownership and a front office. They're the opposite
of the Eagles. They don't take any risks. Now, it's
not the first time ever a great quarterback has been
stuck with a franchise that can't deliver for him. Andrew Luck,
Carson Palmer, same ownership in Cincinnati, Matt Stafford, Joe Burrow
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is similar. There is no arguing. This is why you
have to contextualized championships. The fact that he got a
bad offensive line and allows the linebacking corps. I mean
that team. It's almost impossible to get a bad O
line to a conference championship. He got to within a
play of winning the Super Bowl. The guy is absolutely incredible.
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But I'm watching him last night and I felt like
I'm watching an NBA game. I'm just watching this for
Burrow and Chase because I think Jamar Chase is a
top ten wide receiver talent of my life. I think
he's that good. I'm not saying he's Jerry Rice. He's
an all timer. I remember when he came out of college.
They're like, he's not that fast. I don't know, nobody
catches him. And Burrow what do you want to say
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he's the one guy that will go into Arrowhead Stadium?
And I think gives Andy Reid and Steve Spagnola nightmares.
So so much about life, especially for young people, is
where you land. Mahomes got a great owner and a
great coach. Josh Allen got a good owner and a
good coach. And that's the difference between a conference championship
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and trophies and so like they say in real estate, location, location, location,
And that's why I always say you have to context
your LIZE championships. Dan Marino had a great coach, never
a great defense, doesn't avity. He got to the Super
Bowl once, and that's why I say about John John
Elway's probably the greatest prospect to ever enter the league
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in terms of town. I mean it was number one.
There was no question. John Elway got to Super Bowls
and got humiliated. He got beat by forty five thirty
two nineteen points. John Elway His was, yeah, he's a
talented loser in the big games. Then he got an
all time coach Mike Shanahan and Terrell Davis back to
back Super Bowls, retires and he's a legend. I mean
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even now you just say the word Elway. It's like
Peley Elway, like everybody gets it means great. It wasn't
that for a long time. He needed the right coach.
So to me, I look at Joe Burrow and I
saw a stat this morning, and this what he sums
it up. Burrow. Here's quarterbacks that have led the league
in passing touchdowns on teams with losing records in the
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past fifty years. Joe Montana, Drew Brees and Joe Burrow.
And you know, Montana was fortunate he had the ownership,
he got the coach, but he didn't always work that way.
And this is not a friend him against Zach Taylor.
But I'm just watching Burrow last night and Jamar Chase
fourteen catches game winning touchdowns. Here's Burrow after talking about
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his superstar receiver.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
He's he's a special player. He continues to make plays
after the catch, for the catch, anyway that you get
in the ball.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
He makes plays.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
He deserves all. He's gonna get more.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Hasn't been paid yet. I'm not sure what they're waiting for.
But because they're not gonna pay t Higgins and they've
already let safeties and Joe Mixon go, I don't know
what they're waiting for. I think he'd have a contract
in Philadelphia already. Crazy me, I think he'd have one.
So the Chicago Bears, according to a popular former radio
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host now podcaster Dan McNeil, they're down to four head
coaching candidates. These are the names you're hearing, Ben Johnson,
Brian Floores, Joe brad and Mike Rable. So now I
believe that some jobs, and I'm not just talking football,
some jobs are too big for first timers. You can't
go from intern to chief resident at a hospital. You
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can't go from city controller to President of the United
States as too much and there's just too many potholes
and obstacles for Joe Brady or Ben Johnson. This is
not the job. This is not the job for those
two guys. It's too big as too many moving parts,
too much dysfunction the two guys. Let's first talk Brian
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Flores because he's very interesting, been a head coach, tremendous
defensive resume, learned under the school of Belichick. Has been
in a dysfunctional organization. He created some of it and
he failed, but he created a culture and a defense
very quickly. Now he's intense. He didn't get along with Tua.
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He's acknowledged it, he's been reflective. I wouldn't make him
my first choice, but I've said all year Brian Flores
deserves a head coaching job. He's just too damn good
at defense. And he's also been willing. He's not a
stubborn guy. He has gone to the podium and said, hey, man,
I wish I could do the do a thing differently.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And I know.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Internet trolls want you to believe that they're perfect, but
most of us make mistakes in our life all the time.
Nick Saban was just talking about this the other day
on TV when he took the Dolphins job, and he
had a couple of funny lines that you just you
make mistakes, you make choices if you're aggressive, and Brian
Flores is a hyper aggressive guy. But he deserves a
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second job. He is a really good coach. He would
be my one a but my one would be Mike
Frabel because he's been a head coach for six years.
He's been part of a dynasty, he got to a
conference championship with Ryan Tannehill, and most of all, he
is a culture changer. And I talked about this yesterday.
If you look at organizations that were really a messy,
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like the Chargers with Brandon Staley, the Lions forever, it
wasn't just guys who were schemers, it was culture changers.
Jim Harbaugh has changed the way we think about the Chargers,
Dan Campbell, the Biding kneecap stuff. He's not a scheme expert.
What he is is a culture changer, and I think
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that matters. When Green Bay was looking for a coach,
I'll never forget this. I got to call it on
Matt Lafleur and I called around and I said, what
do you know about Matt Lafleur And the question was, well, mcveay,
Shanahan and Lafleur are tight. Mcvey's the culture guy. Hanson
walks into a big, big lot of confidence. He's the
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culture changer. And he did that for the Rams literally
in two weeks. Whereas Lafleur was really good with schemes,
could develop into a big presence. But Green Bay wasn't
a mess. Green Bay wins, they draft and developed well.
What they needed is somebody to get along with Aaron
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Rodgers and somebody that with their draft and development program,
and they're smart, mostly frugal free agent signings. They didn't
need somebody to blow it up. Aaron and McCarthy didn't
get along. Laflora gets along with everybody in the league,
and so it's different. Oregonists San Francisco when they hired
Kyle Shannan, they had good ownership, they had some good players.
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They needed a scheme expert. So not every team needs
the same thing. Vrabel's my choice in Chicago. He's a
culture guy. He's had dysfunction in Tennessee. But I gotta
tell you, Brian Floores is a strong one a to
me because I watched them go to Miami. He may
have messed up to two a thing, and defensive coaches
aren't always great in the offensive rooms. But I think
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Rabel's to play here, and I think it's an easy one.
And also, the Bears could have had Jim Harball, who
won one of the job and passed on him. This
organization could have already solved their cultural issues and they passed.
Don't pass again. All right, we got a lot of
stuff going on. Nick Wright heard hierarchy Philadelphia Eagles, you're
(10:19):
already getting now, Philadelphia sports radio creates more controversies than
any sports radio in the country. They already got players
for the Eagles squawking and talking and disrupting.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Kind of self inflicted by Graham. He just popped off, Hey,
let me go. Can I go back to the Bears
for suck? So we're hearing a lot of Belichick stuff
this morning. I don't know who the Chicago guy is
who's reporting this stuff. You said he's credible. How are
the Bears not considering Bill Belichick?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
What is that about? Because I think Belichick. I think
Belichick's interest in Carolina tells you where his head's at
is That now it's about his legacy and his kids.
Also builds a lifetime AFC guy. You know he the Giants,
that's a long time ago. It was the Jets, no
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thank you, it was the Browns, it was the Patriots.
I don't think he fits in Chicago, and I think
there are different stages people are in their life. I
think when Andy Reid went to Kansas City, he's in
his fifties and he wanted to prove Philadelphia made a mistake.
Bill doesn't need to prove anything at the NFL level.
He's got the vote, the rings, the house, Nantucket, the
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new girlfriend. He didn't need to prove anything. College is
about legacy, and I think that's a different state. Harbaugh,
by the way, he left that NFL stone unturned. He
got to a Super Bowl, did not get along with
Trent ball Key, but the forty nine ers in the
front office. So he wanted to prove, Hey, give me
an organization where I can bring all my guys in
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and all win. You a ring that has a legitimate quarterback.
So Harball had something to prove because day one in
San Francisco, he and Trent Bulky battled. He's like, no, no,
I want all my guys and so they allowed that.
So I don't think Bill has anything to prove.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I get that, But Colin, would I hear somebody and
again I don't know who this guy is reporting this,
but this idea that Joe Brady is on the Bear's
list and Bill Belichick is not.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I hear that. I'm out. I'm out on the forget
the future, Colin, They're not going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Joe Brady.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Come on, well, I said, I don't think Brady or
Ben Johnson they are not equipped to deal with this.
There's also now a reported rift between Ryan Poles the GM,
who I think is pretty good. I like him. I
think Ryan Poles is pretty good. I think he missed
on the Chase Claypool thing, but everybody misses on receivers. Okay,
it's a position with a lot of drama and personality.
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I think Poles is pretty pretty darn good. I like him,
and I actually think the offensive line choices I like too.
I don't think this staff was equipped to make those
young players better. But now Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles
their story. They don't get along enough. You watched at
the press conference, Yeah, it was tense and weird.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Instantly the next morning was like, what's going on there
behind the scenes?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Now pretty I think there are different times to hire
different people. To me, Vrabel is the clear choice for Chicago.
Those names, yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
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No Go the top ten NFL teams according to College
Number ten.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I don't think the Rams could duplicate that effort again
this season, but Matt Stafford, Sean McVay, Kyron Williams, Cooper Cup,
Puka Nakua, Rob Havenstein. I mean they've got pieces here.
They've got five or six really top of the chart pieces.
And when Matt Stafford has time to throw, and they
didn't allow a sack against Buffalo, he is beautiful. He's
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what Aaron Rodgers wishes he still was. When you give
Stafford time to throw, he's in that Borough class. It
is just different. Rams at ten, number nine, you know,
the Seahawks look at Baltimore's defense. Since Seattle hired their
coordinator as head coach, held in three of their last
four games, they've held offenses under twenty points. And Gino Smith,
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you know, he's second in the league in completions to
Joe Burrow. But they're on a four game winning streak
since the buye. I think John Snyder has put together
the last couple of years excellent drafts, and I don't
think there are a lot of holes in this roster.
I don't think they're special at quarterback, but they're certainly
good enough I think to make the playoffs and potentially
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win a playoff game. Seattle at nine, number eight Steelers
George Pickens absence really was impactful. They really needed but
Russell Wilson six and one as a starter. Here's what
I like. They're four to zero against teams with winning records,
so they tend. It's Mike Tomlin's history is he is
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a great underdog coach. Now they got the Eagles coming
up at Philly, at the Ravens and the Chiefs, so
we're gonna find out contender for tender in the next
three weeks. Number seven, the Ravens. Listen, they have five
losses by a combined twenty two points. They're they're losing
the teams like you know, the Chiefs. Number one total offense,
number two rushing offense. Listen, they get penalized way too much.
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That is a problem and their past defense what I
don't like about this team. They're like a baseball team
with a bad bullpen. They can outplay and lose. This
team can outplay you, but on the back end they
are leaking so much oil that they can lose games
they should win. So I think Baltimore is out of
the Super Bowl bubble with a back end of their defense.
Number six, you keep waiting for the Minnesota bubble to
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burst and They're on a six game winning streak, seven
to one in one score games. You know who else
is good at one score games? Kansas City, really good
coaches and good quarterbacks are good in one score game.
Sam Darnold in the last month eleven touchdowns, no picks.
There was an aspiring young sportscaster years ago that said
he was going to be a great player. Hey it
took a while. Hey all I know is this Minnesota's
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really good? Are they great? I don't know. Number five
the Packers are closer to great now. I think they're
a year away. They are like Detroit last year. They're
really young, but they become a power run team behind
Josh Jacobs, so they are taking a lot of the
responsibility from Jordan Love, who can be at tad reckless
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despite being an excellent talent. So they are now kind
of a power running team. And for years and years
with Aaron Rodgers, we were always like, they don't have
much of a run game. Oh they got it now,
Josh Jacobs, they got it now. Green Bay at five.
Number four, Buffalo super talented, but they beat themselves Rams.
They had a block pont nine guys on the field.
They're two and three against winning record teams. Why because
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you got to have it buttoned up against winning record
and winning teams. Now they're not allowing sacks anymore. And
the Rams had a good defensive front. That's why Josh
putting up these numbers. I like their roster, I like
their momentum, but I don't trust them in big games.
And the Rams are an inferior team to the Bills.
And the Rams blocked a punt and the Rams didn't
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waste a time out at the goal line. So Buffalo's great,
and I do my final four teams I think are
super Bowl teams, but they really concern me in close games.
Number three Philadelphia, so do they, Nick Siriani. Now we've
got aj Brown and Jalen Hurts don't get along. But
clearly since the bye, the coaching staff has been very intentional.
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They become a run team over a pass team. Clearly
Saquon Barkley is leading them. It's got a Christian McCaffrey
niners Field like they like the quarterback, don't love him.
So I think it's a very very good team. I
think they have the best roster in the league, slightly
better than Detroit. But I've got my issues in tight
spots with the coach and the quarterback. Number two Kansas City,
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first team in NFL history. They have three plus kickers
with game winning field goals as time expired in a
single Listen. They're ten to zero in games decided buy
seven or less. And you can keep telling me it's luck.
It's not luck. It's their brand, it's their business model.
They're such a complex team because of the best third
down team of the sport, and yet they're only averaging
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five yards of play, which is the worst in the
Mahomes era. So they're not as explosive. They're not gonna
give you the total yards. They're not gonna blow you away.
But they've never been better than I'm third down. So
that's the complexity of this dynasty. It's got a Patriots feel.
You don't feel they have the best roster, but they
have the best coach, the best quarterback, and like Michael Jordan,
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when you need a bucket, that's the team you want.
KC at two, number one buy an inch Detroit.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Since Week nine to twenty twenty two, they're thirty four
and nine, half of them blowouts. They have the number
one scoring offense, and the number one offensive line. They're
the one team I think could make Mahomes sit on
the sidelines and watch a game. I trust Mahome to
beat everybody in this league. Detroit has the personnel to
say we're gonna play keep away and have a nine
minute drive. So that's the kind of personnel they have.
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And the other thing is about Detroit is Aiden Hutchinson
got hurt, hasn't hurt the defense.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I think a lot of that is because they lead
and so their defense knows what's coming. Right. They're not
in a lot of close games, so the defense can
pin their ears back and go for the pass rush.
But I have them as by an inch as a
number one team.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
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Speaker 1 (19:32):
The playmaker, he is ready to go.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
You're crazy college college man. He's funny. I'm just sorry.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Listen, you gotta got a lot of connections. You're giving
a commencement speech at Miami. I am now Dure is
gonna go number one in the draft?
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Yes, yes, I love Shador and he and he deserves
to be number one. He's a hell of a quarterback,
but Cam Wore deserves to be number one.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Two lot of backyard football. There there was talk that
maybe his personality cams and the cam.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
What, there's what.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
There are people that are saying he's edgy and he's
not for everybody.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Listen, you know what. This re trips me out, man,
every time.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
We get to this place, all these other things start
falling off people's lips.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
You know what I'm saying. This man right here, this man.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Has done a hell of a job showing you that
he has the ability to do with he whatever you
need him to do in any situation. Big arm, big player, poised.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
You see it.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
You see some Patrick Mahome's stuff in him too. Nobody
ever says that. Nobody ever says that I see it
in him also. And now all of this stuff is
starting to come out. I don't know about who's saying
all this stuff. I spent every week with them. Okay,
So so if a man's opinion, it's only as good
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as his knowledge based on the subject. Take ye, what
I say to the over, what they say to the couse.
They are just running the radio, that's all. They don't
know what they're talking about. This dude's a great dude,
a great leader, a great leader.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
You're edgy, so you may like edgy? H edg?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Edg edgy? What is edgy? What is edgy?
Speaker 5 (21:28):
First of all, in order to be edgy, somebody had
to put the line at edge and said, if you go.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Over this, U edgy?
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Who the hell put the line out of edge to
say I'm edgy and you not.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I'm not into these.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Things, man, I am not bound or strapped with these
things that the world gets strapped with. I heard somebody
say that Cam Warwick was being greeted in the portal, right, greed,
let me listen.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
In order for somebody to be greeted, that means someone
else has set a line on what he is worth.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
So what they're really.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Saying, these anonymous sources, what they're really saying, is, oh,
we we thought he was worth.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
This, but he came in all shit, did it? I
ingreed it?
Speaker 5 (22:18):
And he wanted this really, but he showed you this
year that he was that that he was asking for.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
The man is a heis trophy fire.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I don't traffic in rumors, but I have a source
told me he's an edgy kid. Some may be put
off by that edgy but like to your point, what
does that mean?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
And it takes imitation to m until you got some issue.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
This is why And I was just saying this to
these guys, this is why I love these top quarterbacks.
A lot of times we wonder, yeah, you have physical
skill sets, you can play the game, but can you
be Can you be in the game when the game
as big as I don't know what, and still play
at the level that you played the game when the
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game wasn't that big. It's can you play a certain
way all the time, no matter what. And I'm gonna
tell you the best thing about a Shador Sanders in
a cam Ward Sador because.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
He's Deon Sun. He's going around it all his life.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
But Cam because he's at Miami and all of this
noise right now, all of this vibration, the mess right
now is because of what he's done at Miami. So
I'm telling you these two guys, because of where they.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Come from is what I like to call. They already
pressure cooked for the NFL.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
If you know what I'm saying, press cooker, and they
know how to perform. And when people go in pressure
cookers and know how to perform. People that don't know
starts saying, ooh, he's too edgy.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
That's what I'm talking about. I am. I am glad
case closed. Then you sold me. I just bring stuff
I here. I don't traffic and nonsense.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Okay, I appreciate you not trafficing and nonsense. I said. See,
that's what I talk about right there. Now that's a
gift right there.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Colin put that thing in the ether and disclaimed it
at the same damn time.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I love you, buddy, special buddy.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Okay, how about this? Okay, You see I never looked
at you as a diva. I looked at you. My
take was you and ak Bananama were the heart of it.
And by the way, you wanted the damn ball, right okay,
and you were one of the only guys in your
ear that was like all over the middle and take shops.
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I don't care, so that doesn't bother me. What bothers me?
And I also think receivers want the ball. That doesn't
It doesn't bother me, right.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I got a.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Little issue with the Eagles with a quarterback that's not Aikman,
and they've said, listen, we're a Barkley led team. We're
not gonna give you fourteen targets like Jamar Chase. We're
gonna give you seven. And they're winning, Mike, They've won
like nine ten in a row. I don't love what
aj Brown's doing here. If the stories are true from
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Brandon Graham where he and Jalen Hurts. Okay, here's here's
the Brandon Graham sound. I want you to listen to
Brandon Graham.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I don't know the whole story, but I know that
one is trying to and I mean, I love it
to be a little better with how he responds to things.
And they was friends before this. It's like, man, but
things have changed, and I understand that because life happens.
But we gotta it's the business side that we have
to make sure that we don't let the personal get
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in the way of the business. And that's where we
gotta do better as right now because we know it's
everybody's saying with some some things, but we need to
be able to talk talk things out as men.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Okay, So so it does again, I understand some noise.
I forever defended Stefon Diggs, but I I do think
that it's very intentional. Michael the staff of the Eagles
think Saquon's how they're going to roll. That's their dep
run team first, right. You tell me, is AJ have
a point?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Well, well, everybody has a point.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
But just because you have a point doesn't mean it's
time to deliver it anywhere into everybody.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
AJ has a point.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
There are things that are going on within the passing
game that that they that they need to work on
and they need to fix. And here's my thing, here's
my thing, here's my thing. We have to look deeper
into this. Why would Aj say this to us? Looked
a little calculating even the drop, like he knew he
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was going to do this if this continued, said to
the media. Now, I talked about this yesterday. I said,
I wonder who's he talking about? Is he talking to
the quarterback or is he talking at the head coach?
And maybe are the play caller Kellen Moore? You guys
got to call some plays to get me some passes
or here or is it is inefficient? And if it's
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shit at the quarterback? You see what I mean? Who
is he talking about?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Now?
Speaker 5 (27:24):
This just told me who he was talking about. This
just told me so obviously there's one in eleven that
they have a problem. But the other problem that comes
with that. If he is talking about it now on TV,
do A J.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Brown think?
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Does he think, oh, it's one plus his coach because
I'm not even getting a call. And I understand from
that perspective. Do you watch your Mark Chase last night?
They were throwing him smoke routes. It takes nothing to
throw a smoke route. Nothing that means you. You just
run a little and I'm just stand there. I'm gonna
throw you the ball. You go run with it. Three
either throw one or two or those whenever he has
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man and man coverage out there to start the game,
to get him involved, I'm right on. I'm with him
on what he's saying about that get me in the
game so I can use my energy to help you
instead of using that energy against you.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Brady used to say that Tom liked to get his
receivers going so right in the game.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Right, try try to do that with you, right, yes,
and Troy, But Troy did that with me. But if
Troy didn't, I would never do this. After we get
a win, I don't mind. I want you to want
the ball. I'd rather have you want the ball than
not want the ball. I'd rather push pull you.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Back, said God Dag, kick that damn ball.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
You see what the man, rather pull you back. I
want all of that, but I want you to know
when and how to put that out. This is the
reason I say ten and one last year then went
one and six.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Something fell apart in that locker room. Something fell apart.
We were want with your.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
One week past that moment? Why are you bringing this
back up? Which brings back up, which opens back up
the case for everybody to bring back that stuff, and
now you gotta deal with it all over again. When
you're coming off a big win like that, It's just
not the time. I love great fighters, but I love
when you know who and when to fight, and that
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wasn't the time.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Very well done.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Chicago Bears are dysfunctional. Now, I would argue that if
you're a dysfunctional franchise, and not all teams are dysfunctional,
that need a coach. Kansas City wasn't dysfunctional. They wanted
Andy Reid, but they were a well run, well done organization.
They just wanted a better coach. Detroit needed a culture changer.
Chargers needed a culture changer. Bears need a culture changer.
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I think Rabel and Brian Flores are my two choices.
Is there somebody out there you like?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Well?
Speaker 5 (29:46):
I always say, now is this has to be depending
on what I see the rest of this year with
Caleb Williams in the next four games, five games, whatever
we have left, and in the office coordinator right now
to the air Summers Brown. Because if I see any
kind of real progress and something, I said, oh, let
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me write this out. Because a few games he looked
pretty good and then he, you know, had a little
slipping from myke Caleb.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
So so if I see that, then I got some leeway.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Because I can go look at the Rabels and all
of these guys and get that stability and have some
form of stability with my young quarterback at least the
same system. So we can see growth from year one
to year two. That's the biggest growth you got in
the NFL. I don't necessarily want to start him back
over with year one again and a whole new.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Offense with a whole new system.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
So if I see great growth in these next few weeks,
then I can do a defensive coach. I can go
in that route to give you that stability. But if
I don't, then I'm going to go an offensive coach
so I can give him the total power over the
organization because he and the offensive coach are connected and
their success shall be connected, and they'll have a different
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approach to that game.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So you the best coach you ever had is one
of the few coaches in the history of football that
was great at college and is a pro coach, Jimmy Johnson.
As you know, it's usually an either or situation. Some
guys can't recruit, some guys aren't good enough scheme. Jimmy
was good at both. He knew the personnel side, he
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knew the scheme side. So Belichick, now he's got a
new man. He's got a young girlfriend, he's got a
son coaching at Washington that he wants to be a coach.
Does he really want a coach or is it about
getting his son the job? Would you hire and what
do you expect? What do you make of this story?
Speaker 5 (31:45):
There's no doubt coach wants to coach, you know what
I mean, and can coach and one of the greatest
coaches of all time. And no one can ever take
that from coach. But you know that The current landscape
of college football is a lot different than when Jimmy
was in college. You know, so much different right then.
You know, Jimmy can really use the hammer to keep
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you in line.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Now, guy's leaving a minute.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
You can't what man? I mean, you leave it a
minute and you come down on these guys so tough
and hard. Guys's good in the portal. There is no
problem with you'll be playing next year. You'll be playing.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
When we were in school that you can you're not
going anywhere. And if you're not here, you're not anywhere.
So if you're not here, you're back at the ghetto. Coach,
I'm gonna do whatever you tell me. I'm not going
about the ghetto. You see what I mean is different
now in these guys getting paid. I just don't know
if coach has the time to counsel. And that's what
it's going to take. That's what make Dion so great
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in college. He's really a mentor coach. Coach is a
coach that has forced the mentor. And you know, a
mentor coaching that this is his this is his world.
But a coach forced the mentor because you got to
go and mentor those guys out of the porter before
you even mentor them, own the team and all of
these things. Man, it's it's a lot. It's a lot
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dealing with kids in there, and I just think it's
it's it's yeah, that's not what coach want to be doing.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
He wants to coach football.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Finally, let's let's go back to something we discussed now.
I think Dion has been successful for a lot of reasons.
Colorado's a bottom ten to fifteen job in the sport.
He's made them relevant. He's putting guys in the pros.
They may have the top two draft picks. He's made
them cool. There's a lot of wins here. I didn't
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know how it would work. My take was, we talked
Colorado with Dion. I think he's been committed. I think
he's been tremendous. I watched the Cowboys give away another
game last night on some coaching snaffoos on the block punt,
I just want to say, I'm gonna ask the question,
you are friends with important people. Do you believe because
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you have said Dion would be interested, Jerry is more
loyal then people give him credit for if Dallas wins out.
Are we sure Mike McCarthy's gone. Jerry's loyal?
Speaker 5 (34:19):
He is, he is, And I very Troy recently talking
about it and saying, you know, Mike McCarthy, you's not
sure Mike McCarthy will be gone, And Jerry is loyal
and and that's one of the best things I love
about him, trust me, trust me, that's one of the
best things that I love about him.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
That he is loyal, giving loyal to a fault, loyal
to a fault, and you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
But but you know, you you look at what I'm
talking about here, at what if you can find another
good receiver, you can put him in this mix, and
you see what red.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
What Rams are doing.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
What the Rams just did to a top ten like
the Bills because they got that Cooper Pooka Pooka Cooper
thing going, you know, to number one regions good and well, well,
let me tell you, when you have those two number
one receivers, you can have an average back or he
go out and still get real good traction because coverage
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is going to have to back the hell up.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Nobody can cheat.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
We you just.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Talked about the Philadelphia Eagles, and you gave it all
to Saquon Barklay. But take them to beasts off the
can en, take take a b out, and you take
Devontae Smith out and watch all them safeties drop down
in that box, and you see Saquon gonna be doing
the same thing he was doing in New York.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Let's be real here, ya ya, y'all. You see how
this thing works. You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
These things have to work together. You can't separate them
like that. So yeah, Dallas can have the shot if
they can find another number one.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Receiver right now.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
But you gotta bring and you gotta The problem is
if you keep Mike McCarthy, then you gotta go get
me somebody that's so tough at well, somebody else to
give me hope that these things can be different. Nobody's
saying Mike McCarthy is not a good coach. I'm just
saying it dampens the hope when we do this again.
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After seeing the results over the last ten four years.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Hope's hopes everything.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Hope would dictate effort from everybody. I always say that
hope dictates effort. Give me a little hope, you'll get
a little effort.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
You know what, That's a great way to put it.
And I am glad that you clear the air with
these unsubstantiated reward rumors.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
That we won't be using.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
That we will not be a part of that clickbait mess.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
We would not, We would not be a part of that.
I appreciate you giving me the room to clear it.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I do the great playmaker Michael Irvin always welcome on
the show, and he's getting ready for that commencement speed
in Miami.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Oh yeah, I get ready for that. I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Oh, You're gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
You believe that I get to do it.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I do believe that because if you look at your life,
it has not been linear. It has had turbulence right, right.
But by the way, you don't love turbulence, but you've
encounter it, right, and you've overcome it.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
And it's part of all of our journeys. It's part
of all of our journeys. So and since we all
got to go in them, let's go in them and
learn something to figure out what to do when we
come out of them and where to go to.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
That's what we do.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
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stops by. You know you and I have I think Jack.
We both are football first guys. We like the NBA,
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you love college basketball. Both of us like soccer. I'm
a UFC guy as well. I'm I'm moving back to
baseball because of the moves in the last couple of years.
I'm not The baseball playoffs were hard to turn off.
But I was watching last night's game and it felt different.
Cowboys Bengals. Bengals went on to win than most games.
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And I'll tell you why. The reason we watch football
is because we care about the outcomes, and it's not
that way for a lot of sports. In the NBA.
The bottom of the NBA is so large, you end
up watching games sometimes because you just want to watch
like an individual star or two. You don't really care
about who wins the game. And I've been saying this
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all season where the NFL's got to be careful. It's
become so quarterback centric and the rules are so quarterback friendly.
If you don't have a great quarterback, you have not
so you don't want to become the NBA. You want
to care about the outcomes. And last night felt like
an NBA game. All I care about was Joe Burrow
and Jamar Chase. That's the only reason I watched that game.
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And that's what I worry about. The NFL bought it
is getting large. There's like eleven teams that are hard
to watch. Burrow thirty three or forty four, He's absolutely brilliant.
Jamar Chase fourteen catches, game winner, probably the second best
receiver in the entire world. These are all time greats,
but they are stuck in a shaky organization that frankly
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has suboptimal ownership and a front office. They're the opposite
of the Eagles. They don't take any risks. Now, it's
not the first time ever a great quarterback has been
stuck with a franchise that can't deliver for him. Andrew Luck,
Carson Palmer, same ownership in Cincinnati, Matt Stafford, Joe Burrow
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is similar. There is no arguing. This is why you
have to contextualized championships. The fact that he got a
bad offensive line and allows the linebacking corps. I mean
that team. It's almost impossible to get a bad O
line to a conference championship. He got to within a
play of winning the Super Bowl. The guy is absolutely incredible.
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But I'm watching him last night and I felt like
I'm watching an NBA game. I'm just watching this for
Burrow and Chase because I think Jamar Chase is a
top ten wide receiver talent of my life. I think
he's that good. I'm not saying he's Jerry Rice. He's
an all timer. I remember when he came out of college.
They're like, he's not that fast. I don't know, nobody
catches him. And Burrow what do you want to say
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he's the one guy that will go into Arrowhead Stadium?
And I think gives Andy Reid and Steve Spagnola nightmares.
So so much about life, especially for young people, is
where you land. Mahomes got a great owner and a
great coach. Josh Allen got a good owner and a
good coach. And that's the difference between a conference championship
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and trophies and so like they say in real estate, location, location, location,
And that's why I always say you have to context
your LIZE championships. Dan Marino had a great coach, never
a great defense, doesn't avity. He got to the Super
Bowl once, and that's why I say about John John
Elway's probably the greatest prospect to ever enter the league
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in terms of town. I mean it was number one.
There was no question. John Elway got to Super Bowls
and got humiliated. He got beat by forty five thirty
two nineteen points. John Elway His was, yeah, he's a
talented loser in the big games. Then he got an
all time coach Mike Shanahan and Terrell Davis back to
back Super Bowls, retires and he's a legend. I mean
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even now you just say the word Elway. It's like
Peley Elway, like everybody gets it means great. It wasn't
that for a long time. He needed the right coach.
So to me, I look at Joe Burrow and I
saw a stat this morning, and this what he sums
it up. Burrow. Here's quarterbacks that have led the league
in passing touchdowns on teams with losing records in the
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past fifty years. Joe Montana, Drew Brees and Joe Burrow.
And you know, Montana was fortunate he had the ownership,
he got the coach, but he didn't always work that way.
And this is not a friend him against Zach Taylor.
But I'm just watching Burrow last night and Jamar Chase
fourteen catches game winning touchdowns. Here's Burrow after talking about
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his superstar receiver.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
He's he's a special player. He continues to make plays
after the catch, for the catch, anyway that you get
in the ball.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
He makes plays.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
He deserves all. He's gonna get more.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Hasn't been paid yet. I'm not sure what they're waiting for.
But because they're not gonna pay t Higgins and they've
already let safeties and Joe Mixon go, I don't know
what they're waiting for. I think he'd have a contract
in Philadelphia already. Crazy me, I think he'd have one.
So the Chicago Bears, according to a popular former radio
(05:48):
host now podcaster Dan McNeil, they're down to four head
coaching candidates. These are the names you're hearing, Ben Johnson,
Brian Floores, Joe brad and Mike Rable. So now I
believe that some jobs, and I'm not just talking football,
some jobs are too big for first timers. You can't
go from intern to chief resident at a hospital. You
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can't go from city controller to President of the United
States as too much and there's just too many potholes
and obstacles for Joe Brady or Ben Johnson. This is
not the job. This is not the job for those
two guys. It's too big as too many moving parts,
too much dysfunction the two guys. Let's first talk Brian
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Flores because he's very interesting, been a head coach, tremendous
defensive resume, learned under the school of Belichick. Has been
in a dysfunctional organization. He created some of it and
he failed, but he created a culture and a defense
very quickly. Now he's intense. He didn't get along with Tua.
(06:54):
He's acknowledged it, he's been reflective. I wouldn't make him
my first choice, but I've said all year Brian Flores
deserves a head coaching job. He's just too damn good
at defense. And he's also been willing. He's not a
stubborn guy. He has gone to the podium and said, hey, man,
I wish I could do the do a thing differently.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And I know.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Internet trolls want you to believe that they're perfect, but
most of us make mistakes in our life all the time.
Nick Saban was just talking about this the other day
on TV when he took the Dolphins job, and he
had a couple of funny lines that you just you
make mistakes, you make choices if you're aggressive, and Brian
Flores is a hyper aggressive guy. But he deserves a
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second job. He is a really good coach. He would
be my one a but my one would be Mike
Frabel because he's been a head coach for six years.
He's been part of a dynasty, he got to a
conference championship with Ryan Tannehill, and most of all, he
is a culture changer. And I talked about this yesterday.
If you look at organizations that were really a messy,
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like the Chargers with Brandon Staley, the Lions forever, it
wasn't just guys who were schemers, it was culture changers.
Jim Harbaugh has changed the way we think about the Chargers,
Dan Campbell, the Biding kneecap stuff. He's not a scheme expert.
What he is is a culture changer, and I think
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that matters. When Green Bay was looking for a coach,
I'll never forget this. I got to call it on
Matt Lafleur and I called around and I said, what
do you know about Matt Lafleur And the question was, well, mcveay,
Shanahan and Lafleur are tight. Mcvey's the culture guy. Hanson
walks into a big, big lot of confidence. He's the
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culture changer. And he did that for the Rams literally
in two weeks. Whereas Lafleur was really good with schemes,
could develop into a big presence. But Green Bay wasn't
a mess. Green Bay wins, they draft and developed well.
What they needed is somebody to get along with Aaron
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Rodgers and somebody that with their draft and development program,
and they're smart, mostly frugal free agent signings. They didn't
need somebody to blow it up. Aaron and McCarthy didn't
get along. Laflora gets along with everybody in the league,
and so it's different. Oregonists San Francisco when they hired
Kyle Shannan, they had good ownership, they had some good players.
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They needed a scheme expert. So not every team needs
the same thing. Vrabel's my choice in Chicago. He's a
culture guy. He's had dysfunction in Tennessee. But I gotta
tell you, Brian Floores is a strong one a to
me because I watched them go to Miami. He may
have messed up to two a thing, and defensive coaches
aren't always great in the offensive rooms. But I think
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Rabel's to play here, and I think it's an easy one.
And also, the Bears could have had Jim Harball, who
won one of the job and passed on him. This
organization could have already solved their cultural issues and they passed.
Don't pass again. All right, we got a lot of
stuff going on. Nick Wright heard hierarchy Philadelphia Eagles, you're
(10:19):
already getting now, Philadelphia sports radio creates more controversies than
any sports radio in the country. They already got players
for the Eagles squawking and talking and disrupting.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Kind of self inflicted by Graham. He just popped off, Hey,
let me go. Can I go back to the Bears
for suck? So we're hearing a lot of Belichick stuff
this morning. I don't know who the Chicago guy is
who's reporting this stuff. You said he's credible. How are
the Bears not considering Bill Belichick?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
What is that about? Because I think Belichick. I think
Belichick's interest in Carolina tells you where his head's at
is That now it's about his legacy and his kids.
Also builds a lifetime AFC guy. You know he the Giants,
that's a long time ago. It was the Jets, no
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thank you, it was the Browns, it was the Patriots.
I don't think he fits in Chicago, and I think
there are different stages people are in their life. I
think when Andy Reid went to Kansas City, he's in
his fifties and he wanted to prove Philadelphia made a mistake.
Bill doesn't need to prove anything at the NFL level.
He's got the vote, the rings, the house, Nantucket, the
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new girlfriend. He didn't need to prove anything. College is
about legacy, and I think that's a different state. Harbaugh,
by the way, he left that NFL stone unturned. He
got to a Super Bowl, did not get along with
Trent ball Key, but the forty nine ers in the
front office. So he wanted to prove, Hey, give me
an organization where I can bring all my guys in
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and all win. You a ring that has a legitimate quarterback.
So Harball had something to prove because day one in
San Francisco, he and Trent Bulky battled. He's like, no, no,
I want all my guys and so they allowed that.
So I don't think Bill has anything to prove.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I get that, But Colin, would I hear somebody and
again I don't know who this guy is reporting this,
but this idea that Joe Brady is on the Bear's
list and Bill Belichick is not.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I hear that. I'm out. I'm out on the forget
the future, Colin, They're not going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Joe Brady.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Come on, well, I said, I don't think Brady or
Ben Johnson they are not equipped to deal with this.
There's also now a reported rift between Ryan Poles the GM,
who I think is pretty good. I like him. I
think Ryan Poles is pretty good. I think he missed
on the Chase Claypool thing, but everybody misses on receivers. Okay,
it's a position with a lot of drama and personality.
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I think Poles is pretty pretty darn good. I like him,
and I actually think the offensive line choices I like too.
I don't think this staff was equipped to make those
young players better. But now Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles
their story. They don't get along enough. You watched at
the press conference, Yeah, it was tense and weird.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Instantly the next morning was like, what's going on there
behind the scenes?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Now pretty I think there are different times to hire
different people. To me, Vrabel is the clear choice for Chicago.
Those names, yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
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No Go the top ten NFL teams according to College
Number ten.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I don't think the Rams could duplicate that effort again
this season, but Matt Stafford, Sean McVay, Kyron Williams, Cooper Cup,
Puka Nakua, Rob Havenstein. I mean they've got pieces here.
They've got five or six really top of the chart pieces.
And when Matt Stafford has time to throw, and they
didn't allow a sack against Buffalo, he is beautiful. He's
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what Aaron Rodgers wishes he still was. When you give
Stafford time to throw, he's in that Borough class. It
is just different. Rams at ten, number nine, you know,
the Seahawks look at Baltimore's defense. Since Seattle hired their
coordinator as head coach, held in three of their last
four games, they've held offenses under twenty points. And Gino Smith,
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you know, he's second in the league in completions to
Joe Burrow. But they're on a four game winning streak
since the buye. I think John Snyder has put together
the last couple of years excellent drafts, and I don't
think there are a lot of holes in this roster.
I don't think they're special at quarterback, but they're certainly
good enough I think to make the playoffs and potentially
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win a playoff game. Seattle at nine, number eight Steelers
George Pickens absence really was impactful. They really needed but
Russell Wilson six and one as a starter. Here's what
I like. They're four to zero against teams with winning records,
so they tend. It's Mike Tomlin's history is he is
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a great underdog coach. Now they got the Eagles coming
up at Philly, at the Ravens and the Chiefs, so
we're gonna find out contender for tender in the next
three weeks. Number seven, the Ravens. Listen, they have five
losses by a combined twenty two points. They're they're losing
the teams like you know, the Chiefs. Number one total offense,
number two rushing offense. Listen, they get penalized way too much.
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That is a problem and their past defense what I
don't like about this team. They're like a baseball team
with a bad bullpen. They can outplay and lose. This
team can outplay you, but on the back end they
are leaking so much oil that they can lose games
they should win. So I think Baltimore is out of
the Super Bowl bubble with a back end of their defense.
Number six, you keep waiting for the Minnesota bubble to
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burst and They're on a six game winning streak, seven
to one in one score games. You know who else
is good at one score games? Kansas City, really good
coaches and good quarterbacks are good in one score game.
Sam Darnold in the last month eleven touchdowns, no picks.
There was an aspiring young sportscaster years ago that said
he was going to be a great player. Hey it
took a while. Hey all I know is this Minnesota's
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really good? Are they great? I don't know. Number five
the Packers are closer to great now. I think they're
a year away. They are like Detroit last year. They're
really young, but they become a power run team behind
Josh Jacobs, so they are taking a lot of the
responsibility from Jordan Love, who can be at tad reckless
(16:28):
despite being an excellent talent. So they are now kind
of a power running team. And for years and years
with Aaron Rodgers, we were always like, they don't have
much of a run game. Oh they got it now,
Josh Jacobs, they got it now. Green Bay at five.
Number four, Buffalo super talented, but they beat themselves Rams.
They had a block pont nine guys on the field.
They're two and three against winning record teams. Why because
(16:51):
you got to have it buttoned up against winning record
and winning teams. Now they're not allowing sacks anymore. And
the Rams had a good defensive front. That's why Josh
putting up these numbers. I like their roster, I like
their momentum, but I don't trust them in big games.
And the Rams are an inferior team to the Bills.
And the Rams blocked a punt and the Rams didn't
(17:12):
waste a time out at the goal line. So Buffalo's great,
and I do my final four teams I think are
super Bowl teams, but they really concern me in close games.
Number three Philadelphia, so do they, Nick Siriani. Now we've
got aj Brown and Jalen Hurts don't get along. But
clearly since the bye, the coaching staff has been very intentional.
(17:32):
They become a run team over a pass team. Clearly
Saquon Barkley is leading them. It's got a Christian McCaffrey
niners Field like they like the quarterback, don't love him.
So I think it's a very very good team. I
think they have the best roster in the league, slightly
better than Detroit. But I've got my issues in tight
spots with the coach and the quarterback. Number two Kansas City,
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first team in NFL history. They have three plus kickers
with game winning field goals as time expired in a
single Listen. They're ten to zero in games decided buy
seven or less. And you can keep telling me it's luck.
It's not luck. It's their brand, it's their business model.
They're such a complex team because of the best third
down team of the sport, and yet they're only averaging
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five yards of play, which is the worst in the
Mahomes era. So they're not as explosive. They're not gonna
give you the total yards. They're not gonna blow you away.
But they've never been better than I'm third down. So
that's the complexity of this dynasty. It's got a Patriots feel.
You don't feel they have the best roster, but they
have the best coach, the best quarterback, and like Michael Jordan,
(18:39):
when you need a bucket, that's the team you want.
KC at two, number one buy an inch Detroit.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Since Week nine to twenty twenty two, they're thirty four
and nine, half of them blowouts. They have the number
one scoring offense, and the number one offensive line. They're
the one team I think could make Mahomes sit on
the sidelines and watch a game. I trust Mahome to
beat everybody in this league. Detroit has the personnel to
say we're gonna play keep away and have a nine
minute drive. So that's the kind of personnel they have.
(19:08):
And the other thing is about Detroit is Aiden Hutchinson
got hurt, hasn't hurt the defense.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I think a lot of that is because they lead
and so their defense knows what's coming. Right. They're not
in a lot of close games, so the defense can
pin their ears back and go for the pass rush.
But I have them as by an inch as a
number one team.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
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Speaker 1 (19:32):
The playmaker, he is ready to go.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
You're crazy college college man. He's funny. I'm just sorry.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Listen, you gotta got a lot of connections. You're giving
a commencement speech at Miami. I am now Dure is
gonna go number one in the draft?
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Yes, yes, I love Shador and he and he deserves
to be number one. He's a hell of a quarterback,
but Cam Wore deserves to be number one.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Two lot of backyard football. There there was talk that
maybe his personality cams and the cam.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
What, there's what.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
There are people that are saying he's edgy and he's
not for everybody.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Listen, you know what. This re trips me out, man,
every time.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
We get to this place, all these other things start
falling off people's lips.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
You know what I'm saying. This man right here, this man.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Has done a hell of a job showing you that
he has the ability to do with he whatever you
need him to do in any situation. Big arm, big player, poised.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
You see it.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
You see some Patrick Mahome's stuff in him too. Nobody
ever says that. Nobody ever says that I see it
in him also. And now all of this stuff is
starting to come out. I don't know about who's saying
all this stuff. I spent every week with them. Okay,
So so if a man's opinion, it's only as good
(21:04):
as his knowledge based on the subject. Take ye, what
I say to the over, what they say to the couse.
They are just running the radio, that's all. They don't
know what they're talking about. This dude's a great dude,
a great leader, a great leader.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
You're edgy, so you may like edgy? H edg?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Edg edgy? What is edgy? What is edgy?
Speaker 5 (21:28):
First of all, in order to be edgy, somebody had
to put the line at edge and said, if you go.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Over this, U edgy?
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Who the hell put the line out of edge to
say I'm edgy and you not.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I'm not into these.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Things, man, I am not bound or strapped with these
things that the world gets strapped with. I heard somebody
say that Cam Warwick was being greeted in the portal, right, greed,
let me listen.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
In order for somebody to be greeted, that means someone
else has set a line on what he is worth.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
So what they're really.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Saying, these anonymous sources, what they're really saying, is, oh,
we we thought he was worth.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
This, but he came in all shit, did it? I
ingreed it?
Speaker 5 (22:18):
And he wanted this really, but he showed you this
year that he was that that he was asking for.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
The man is a heis trophy fire.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I don't traffic in rumors, but I have a source
told me he's an edgy kid. Some may be put
off by that edgy but like to your point, what
does that mean?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
And it takes imitation to m until you got some issue.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
This is why And I was just saying this to
these guys, this is why I love these top quarterbacks.
A lot of times we wonder, yeah, you have physical
skill sets, you can play the game, but can you
be Can you be in the game when the game
as big as I don't know what, and still play
at the level that you played the game when the
(23:08):
game wasn't that big. It's can you play a certain
way all the time, no matter what. And I'm gonna
tell you the best thing about a Shador Sanders in
a cam Ward Sador because.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
He's Deon Sun. He's going around it all his life.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
But Cam because he's at Miami and all of this
noise right now, all of this vibration, the mess right
now is because of what he's done at Miami. So
I'm telling you these two guys, because of where they.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Come from is what I like to call. They already
pressure cooked for the NFL.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
If you know what I'm saying, press cooker, and they
know how to perform. And when people go in pressure
cookers and know how to perform. People that don't know
starts saying, ooh, he's too edgy.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
That's what I'm talking about. I am. I am glad
case closed. Then you sold me. I just bring stuff
I here. I don't traffic and nonsense.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Okay, I appreciate you not trafficing and nonsense. I said. See,
that's what I talk about right there. Now that's a
gift right there.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Colin put that thing in the ether and disclaimed it
at the same damn time.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I love you, buddy, special buddy.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Okay, how about this? Okay, You see I never looked
at you as a diva. I looked at you. My
take was you and ak Bananama were the heart of it.
And by the way, you wanted the damn ball, right okay,
and you were one of the only guys in your
ear that was like all over the middle and take shops.
(24:54):
I don't care, so that doesn't bother me. What bothers me?
And I also think receivers want the ball. That doesn't
It doesn't bother me, right.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I got a.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Little issue with the Eagles with a quarterback that's not Aikman,
and they've said, listen, we're a Barkley led team. We're
not gonna give you fourteen targets like Jamar Chase. We're
gonna give you seven. And they're winning, Mike, They've won
like nine ten in a row. I don't love what
aj Brown's doing here. If the stories are true from
(25:24):
Brandon Graham where he and Jalen Hurts. Okay, here's here's
the Brandon Graham sound. I want you to listen to
Brandon Graham.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I don't know the whole story, but I know that
one is trying to and I mean, I love it
to be a little better with how he responds to things.
And they was friends before this. It's like, man, but
things have changed, and I understand that because life happens.
But we gotta it's the business side that we have
to make sure that we don't let the personal get
(25:53):
in the way of the business. And that's where we
gotta do better as right now because we know it's
everybody's saying with some some things, but we need to
be able to talk talk things out as men.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Okay, So so it does again, I understand some noise.
I forever defended Stefon Diggs, but I I do think
that it's very intentional. Michael the staff of the Eagles
think Saquon's how they're going to roll. That's their dep
run team first, right. You tell me, is AJ have
a point?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Well, well, everybody has a point.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
But just because you have a point doesn't mean it's
time to deliver it anywhere into everybody.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
AJ has a point.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
There are things that are going on within the passing
game that that they that they need to work on
and they need to fix. And here's my thing, here's
my thing, here's my thing. We have to look deeper
into this. Why would Aj say this to us? Looked
a little calculating even the drop, like he knew he
(26:59):
was going to do this if this continued, said to
the media. Now, I talked about this yesterday. I said,
I wonder who's he talking about? Is he talking to
the quarterback or is he talking at the head coach?
And maybe are the play caller Kellen Moore? You guys
got to call some plays to get me some passes
or here or is it is inefficient? And if it's
(27:20):
shit at the quarterback? You see what I mean? Who
is he talking about?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Now?
Speaker 5 (27:24):
This just told me who he was talking about. This
just told me so obviously there's one in eleven that
they have a problem. But the other problem that comes
with that. If he is talking about it now on TV,
do A J.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Brown think?
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Does he think, oh, it's one plus his coach because
I'm not even getting a call. And I understand from
that perspective. Do you watch your Mark Chase last night?
They were throwing him smoke routes. It takes nothing to
throw a smoke route. Nothing that means you. You just
run a little and I'm just stand there. I'm gonna
throw you the ball. You go run with it. Three
either throw one or two or those whenever he has
(28:00):
man and man coverage out there to start the game,
to get him involved, I'm right on. I'm with him
on what he's saying about that get me in the
game so I can use my energy to help you
instead of using that energy against you.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Brady used to say that Tom liked to get his
receivers going so right in the game.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Right, try try to do that with you, right, yes,
and Troy, But Troy did that with me. But if
Troy didn't, I would never do this. After we get
a win, I don't mind. I want you to want
the ball. I'd rather have you want the ball than
not want the ball. I'd rather push pull you.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Back, said God Dag, kick that damn ball.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
You see what the man, rather pull you back. I
want all of that, but I want you to know
when and how to put that out. This is the
reason I say ten and one last year then went
one and six.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Something fell apart in that locker room. Something fell apart.
We were want with your.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
One week past that moment? Why are you bringing this
back up? Which brings back up, which opens back up
the case for everybody to bring back that stuff, and
now you gotta deal with it all over again. When
you're coming off a big win like that, It's just
not the time. I love great fighters, but I love
when you know who and when to fight, and that
(29:13):
wasn't the time.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Very well done.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Chicago Bears are dysfunctional. Now, I would argue that if
you're a dysfunctional franchise, and not all teams are dysfunctional,
that need a coach. Kansas City wasn't dysfunctional. They wanted
Andy Reid, but they were a well run, well done organization.
They just wanted a better coach. Detroit needed a culture changer.
Chargers needed a culture changer. Bears need a culture changer.
(29:39):
I think Rabel and Brian Flores are my two choices.
Is there somebody out there you like?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Well?
Speaker 5 (29:46):
I always say, now is this has to be depending
on what I see the rest of this year with
Caleb Williams in the next four games, five games, whatever
we have left, and in the office coordinator right now
to the air Summers Brown. Because if I see any
kind of real progress and something, I said, oh, let
(30:09):
me write this out. Because a few games he looked
pretty good and then he, you know, had a little
slipping from myke Caleb.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
So so if I see that, then I got some leeway.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Because I can go look at the Rabels and all
of these guys and get that stability and have some
form of stability with my young quarterback at least the
same system. So we can see growth from year one
to year two. That's the biggest growth you got in
the NFL. I don't necessarily want to start him back
over with year one again and a whole new.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Offense with a whole new system.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
So if I see great growth in these next few weeks,
then I can do a defensive coach. I can go
in that route to give you that stability. But if
I don't, then I'm going to go an offensive coach
so I can give him the total power over the
organization because he and the offensive coach are connected and
their success shall be connected, and they'll have a different
(31:02):
approach to that game.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So you the best coach you ever had is one
of the few coaches in the history of football that
was great at college and is a pro coach, Jimmy Johnson.
As you know, it's usually an either or situation. Some
guys can't recruit, some guys aren't good enough scheme. Jimmy
was good at both. He knew the personnel side, he
(31:25):
knew the scheme side. So Belichick, now he's got a
new man. He's got a young girlfriend, he's got a
son coaching at Washington that he wants to be a coach.
Does he really want a coach or is it about
getting his son the job? Would you hire and what
do you expect? What do you make of this story?
Speaker 5 (31:45):
There's no doubt coach wants to coach, you know what
I mean, and can coach and one of the greatest
coaches of all time. And no one can ever take
that from coach. But you know that The current landscape
of college football is a lot different than when Jimmy
was in college. You know, so much different right then.
You know, Jimmy can really use the hammer to keep
(32:07):
you in line.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Now, guy's leaving a minute.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
You can't what man? I mean, you leave it a
minute and you come down on these guys so tough
and hard. Guys's good in the portal. There is no
problem with you'll be playing next year. You'll be playing.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
When we were in school that you can you're not
going anywhere. And if you're not here, you're not anywhere.
So if you're not here, you're back at the ghetto. Coach,
I'm gonna do whatever you tell me. I'm not going
about the ghetto. You see what I mean is different
now in these guys getting paid. I just don't know
if coach has the time to counsel. And that's what
it's going to take. That's what make Dion so great
(32:46):
in college. He's really a mentor coach. Coach is a
coach that has forced the mentor. And you know, a
mentor coaching that this is his this is his world.
But a coach forced the mentor because you got to
go and mentor those guys out of the porter before
you even mentor them, own the team and all of
these things. Man, it's it's a lot. It's a lot
(33:07):
dealing with kids in there, and I just think it's
it's it's yeah, that's not what coach want to be doing.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
He wants to coach football.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Finally, let's let's go back to something we discussed now.
I think Dion has been successful for a lot of reasons.
Colorado's a bottom ten to fifteen job in the sport.
He's made them relevant. He's putting guys in the pros.
They may have the top two draft picks. He's made
them cool. There's a lot of wins here. I didn't
(33:37):
know how it would work. My take was, we talked
Colorado with Dion. I think he's been committed. I think
he's been tremendous. I watched the Cowboys give away another
game last night on some coaching snaffoos on the block punt,
I just want to say, I'm gonna ask the question,
you are friends with important people. Do you believe because
(34:01):
you have said Dion would be interested, Jerry is more
loyal then people give him credit for if Dallas wins out.
Are we sure Mike McCarthy's gone. Jerry's loyal?
Speaker 5 (34:19):
He is, he is, And I very Troy recently talking
about it and saying, you know, Mike McCarthy, you's not
sure Mike McCarthy will be gone, And Jerry is loyal
and and that's one of the best things I love
about him, trust me, trust me, that's one of the
best things that I love about him.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
That he is loyal, giving loyal to a fault, loyal
to a fault, and you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
But but you know, you you look at what I'm
talking about here, at what if you can find another
good receiver, you can put him in this mix, and
you see what red.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
What Rams are doing.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
What the Rams just did to a top ten like
the Bills because they got that Cooper Pooka Pooka Cooper
thing going, you know, to number one regions good and well, well,
let me tell you, when you have those two number
one receivers, you can have an average back or he
go out and still get real good traction because coverage
(35:24):
is going to have to back the hell up.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Nobody can cheat.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
We you just.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Talked about the Philadelphia Eagles, and you gave it all
to Saquon Barklay. But take them to beasts off the
can en, take take a b out, and you take
Devontae Smith out and watch all them safeties drop down
in that box, and you see Saquon gonna be doing
the same thing he was doing in New York.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Let's be real here, ya ya, y'all. You see how
this thing works. You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
These things have to work together. You can't separate them
like that. So yeah, Dallas can have the shot if
they can find another number one.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Receiver right now.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
But you gotta bring and you gotta The problem is
if you keep Mike McCarthy, then you gotta go get
me somebody that's so tough at well, somebody else to
give me hope that these things can be different. Nobody's
saying Mike McCarthy is not a good coach. I'm just
saying it dampens the hope when we do this again.
(36:26):
After seeing the results over the last ten four years.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Hope's hopes everything.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Hope would dictate effort from everybody. I always say that
hope dictates effort. Give me a little hope, you'll get
a little effort.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
You know what, That's a great way to put it.
And I am glad that you clear the air with
these unsubstantiated reward rumors.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
That we won't be using.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
That we will not be a part of that clickbait mess.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
We would not, We would not be a part of that.
I appreciate you giving me the room to clear it.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I do the great playmaker Michael Irvin always welcome on
the show, and he's getting ready for that commencement speed
in Miami.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Oh yeah, I get ready for that. I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Oh, You're gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
You believe that I get to do it.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I do believe that because if you look at your life,
it has not been linear. It has had turbulence right, right.
But by the way, you don't love turbulence, but you've
encounter it, right, and you've overcome it.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
And it's part of all of our journeys. It's part
of all of our journeys. So and since we all
got to go in them, let's go in them and
learn something to figure out what to do when we
come out of them and where to go to.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
That's what we do.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
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