February 6, 2025 • 37 mins
Colin gives his reasons why he feels the Chiefs-Eagles matchup will be a close one
He gives his thoughts on the Lakers latest trade
The Browns were extremely lucky to draft Miles Garrett, and they will probably never draft a defensive player as good as him again
Colin ranks his top 10 best players in this Sunday's Super Bowl
Guest: Drew Brees
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Welcome into the Crescent City Live in New Orleans, a
perfect setting for a Super Bowl for the ages. Jamax
to my side, our guest list filling up. We are
in New Orleans and this is the Herd. We have
a great show, and we're gonna be here in New
Orleans for a couple of days and we're gonna make
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it and we're gonna make it count.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Jmax.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Now, I was gonna lead with the Lakers, who made
another move last night. For the last time I did
a show that led with the Lakers. Things got fuzzy
really fast. So I'm gonna make that the second story.
I'm a little superstitious on that. What I want to
lead with is this. I thought about this last night.
What is this Super Bowl gonna look like? And you
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know what I think it is, and I think it's
a pretty good comp This is gonna be the New
England Seahawks Super Bowl. Remember that the Seahawks, like the Eagles,
had a stacked roster. In fact, when people talk about
Philadelphia's roster, they say it's the best since Seattle. You
talked to Tom Brady about that Seahawks roster. I've talked
to him on this show, and He's like, there were
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no weaknesses. Everybody was great. Safeties, corners, edge rushers, defensive tackles.
There were no weaknesses. There were no flaws. That's Philadelphia.
But the quarterback Russell Wilson Jalen Hurts a little small mobile.
Is he an old timer? No? New England is Kansas City,
iconic coach, maybe the greatest quarterback of all time, second
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best roster. But they always win close games. Anytime of
game is close. It could go either way. Anytime it's
a big third down, it'd be Brady and the Patriots.
It's Mahomes in Kansas City to win that game. And
I want to talk about this because I think this
is gonna be a chess match, and I think one
of the chess matches is gonna be between Mahomes and
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Vic Fangio, the defensive coordinator for Philadelphia, who, by the way,
Mahomes is eight and zero. Again, every quarterback in the
league struggles with Vic Fangio, except maybe Josh Allen and
accept maybe Patrick Mahomes. And I do think we have
to consider this, and I don't think this is hyperbolic.
If Patrick Mahomes wins and the first team, now the
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Packers did it, but the first team in what we
consider modern football to win three in a row. He
is the NFL's MJ. And I think there are real
similarities MJ six for six in the finals, six MVPs,
but we saw as struggles and I'll get to that
in a second. Mahomes is almost relentless like MJ. He
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didn't look great in the regular season. Michael had off nights,
but they both kind of shift gears. And what I've
always noticed about Mahomes much like Michael, They're not burdened
with pressure. It's almost like they get bored in the
regular season. And Michael would put his arms around these
moments like, Okay, this stuff counts. It was Tiger in
his prime. Oh or finally, the Sunday final nine holes.
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That's Mahomes. The way he shrinks Lamar Jackson, an all
time great. The way he shrinks Josh Allen, maybe the
most physically gifted quarterback since Marino or Lway, makes me
think Mahomes sometimes like MJ, is bored with the regular season.
He's that gifted. And when I watched MJ, and I
remember this well, sitting on a couch watching the Suns
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Bulls final and Barkley was amazing. But he made Barkley
look okay. And MJ wasn't the best shooter. He wasn't
the biggest player, he wasn't the strongest player, he wasn't
the best ball handler, none of that stuff, none of
it with Michael. But he was six foot six of relentless.
Mahomes isn't this big, and he doesn't move like mar Jackson.
He doesn't have the best arm, although he throws kind
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of quirky side arm. But there's just something about him.
There's an it, and it's why. Remember now, Michael wasn't
a number one pick. Mahomes wasn't a number one pick.
That was Lebron. Lebron was on the cover of Sports
Illustrated at sixteen Lebron was the prodigy. Lebron was the
overwhelming number one pick. But that's not the way it
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was with Michael and Mahomes. Mahomes had a losing record
in the Big Twelve. There's one year he led the
conference in interceptions. I saw him play one college game
that I remember. He was really skinny wild. It was
a shootout, like all Big Twelve games, and I thought,
that doesn't translate to the NFL. He's out of control.
And people forget this about MJ. It's as if the
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archives of MJ losing have been lost. They went from
you to triangle. Where did they go? Nobody knows. Michael
Jordan won is a freshman. You saw the movie Air.
He hits the big shot, remember that, you Rea. I
realized that Michael stayed in college for two more years
and didn't win a title. In fact, there is a
ten year gap. If you ever want to come down
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to the Bourbon Street and whin a free cocktail and
oysters bet people this from his title as a freshman
at UNC to his first NBA championship, Michael Jordan had
a Grand Canyon size ten year gap before he won
a title. And it's like there's no footage of it.
It's like the tape disappeared. So I watched Michael get
beat up by the Celtics and the Pistons. I watched
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Mahomes be wild lead the Big twelve interceptions and because
of that, they're not prodigies. They weren't on the cover,
they weren't Bryce Harper, they weren't Tiger Woods. Because of that,
I've watched them stumble, get beaten up, get tackled by
the Pistons, and the Celtics get rolled by Oklahoma, and
I think it makes them incredibly likable. But I do
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think this is going to look like New England Brady
with a little less talent around him, though good, with
an iconic coach against the stack roster and a very
good coach Pete Carroll and a very good quarterback in
his prime, Russell Wilson. And my guess is it ends
the same way with the iconic all time quarterback on
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one play late winning the game, and here's Mahomes talking
about the matchup with Big Fangio.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Every time I've played Coach Fangio, there's been different changeups
and different things that he's thrown at us. And I
think That's what makes him so great is he's not
gonna just do exactly what you saw the last time.
And so I'm sure there'll be blitzes in the game.
I'm sure there be times that they play coverage. It's
gonna be a chess match, and you want to go
up against the best, and he's one of the best
defensive coordinators in the the NFL, and it'll be a
great challenge for us as an offense and as a
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football team.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Okay, now I'll talk Lakers. Take a deep breath. I'll
be fine. So the Lakers made a couple of moves,
but they made another one last night to get a
really talented kid that I didn't watch him in the NBA,
just highlights, but I saw him at Duke named Mark Williams.
Big athletic shot blocker, more defense than offense, has a
nice little soft touch around the rim. That's what the
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Lakers needed. That's what the Lakers acquired twenty three years old,
great future, and the Warriors got Jimmy Butler. Get to
that in a second. But I don't know if the
Laker or Warrior moves make them championship teams. Feels more
possible with the Lakers. But the new CBA in twenty
twenty three put up this wall of fear and a
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lot of teams didn't want to make moves. But who did?
Last year the Celtics drew Holliday and Porzingis and the
MAVs with Gafford and they went out and got PJ.
Washington and who ended up in the finals, the MAVs
and the Celtics. So this year trading deadline, if you're
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not making moves, you feel like you're not progressive, you're
not competitive, you're asleep at the wheel. I mean, Rob Polenka,
let's be honest about this, got himself a five year
new deal, getting Luca without giving up Auston Reeves or
a second number one pick and getting Mark Williams and
again not giving up Austin Reeves. And I don't know
long term what Austin Reeves is gonna provide with Luca
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and Lebron James, but I know this. Dallas was twenty
nine and twenty three last year at the trading deadline
and then went twenty one to nine and ended up
in the finals. So everybody was really really with a
new CBA, a little self conscious, a little rigid, a
little fearful on making big moves. MAVs Celtics did and
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were rewarded, and I think the Lakers and the Warriors
did and will be rewarded. I think between Luca Austin
Reeves a rim protector, the Lakers and Luca, I think
I think they went from old to young athletic. They're
still not great as a perimeter defensive team. They probably
need another three point shooter, but the Lakers have literally
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changed the feel and the reality of their roster, old
to young and more dynamic. And that's a real thing
in Los Angeles now. In terms of Jimmy Butler to
the Warriors, I said this, I think a month ago
on the air, I said, they got to make a move.
If Steph's not on the floor, they're boring. And the
one thing with the Warriors, you didn't have to love them.
They were never boring. And it's like, he needs a
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number two star and he got it. And yes, they
gave up Andrew Wiggins. They've been looking to move him
for years. Yeah they move, but you know what they
keep kaminga They got Draymond, it's Steph, it's Jimmy Butler. Now,
I don't know if this takes them to a new level.
But the NBA's television ratings for the last three years
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have had a interesting problem. And this solves the interesting
problem for the Warriors and the Lakers, who, by the way,
every time they play on Christmas, every time Steph and
Lebron play, it's the highest rated game in the regular season,
and it was this year so far, and now they
both got more interesting. And whereas you know, the NBA
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is doing a lot of things right, but it's getting
more European. It's less reliant on familiar college basketball players.
So it does matter where the players play in La
New York, Boston, Philadelphia, San Francisco. It matters. That's why
baseball ratings Dodgers, great Yankees, great Met's interesting. Bryce Harper
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Philly is good. In the NFL, it doesn't matter. Buffalo
could face Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl, you'll get
a number Baseball. In the NBA, there can be interesting problems,
so you need the right stars to end up in
the right places. So I look at this. I am
much more interested in the NBA today than I was
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three days ago. That's all I know. I cannot wait
to watch Jimmy Butler, Stephen Draymond, and I Luca, Mark Williams,
Lebron Austin Reeves. I don't know. That feels like a
team that can get to the finals. Mark Williams is
one of those guys. He's young, he's had injuries, but
when he's on the floor, and I saw him at Duke.
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Not a lot of NBA knowledge, but I saw him
at Duke and he is a force. He is an
athletic force. So J Mack, here we are. Matt Hasselbeck's
gonna be on set in twenty minutes. Drew Brees, Mark Sanchez.
I will do what I always do for the biggest
games of the year. I take out my yellow pad
and I rate all the players, Chiefs and Eagles. Who's
got the more play Generally, whoever's got the more good
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players wins. I will tell you it is tough. There
are there are sixteen guys. I'll just tell you right now,
Travis Kelsey didn't make it. That's not that out of
a take. Come on ten in this game, he's pretty good.
By the way. You see money coming in on the Eagles. Here,
line's coming down a little bit, probably gonna head toward.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Pick them this weekend.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
All right, Well, people make mistakes all the time. They
do not, they do not the public state at the
Crescent City of Bourbon Street, beautiful place. This place is
called Mason Bourbon. It's a it's a jazz home, which,
as you know in New Orleans, is something that'sra special.
Coming up next among our other thoughts is there is
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a secret sauce and a familiarity with the Eagles and
Chiefs that isn't getting discussed much. We'll talk about that next.
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App down to the ball were of the President City
in New Orleans on Bourbon Street. So of the great
philosophers and quotable philosophers of our time or any generation.
There's Shakespeare, there's Aristotle, and of course Tony Soprano, and
that Tony Soprano says one time, remember when is the
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lowest form of communication? Or in other words, look through
the windshield, not the rear view mirror, remember when I
gotta be honest. There's a lot of talk about Brady
and Mahomes goat talk. I think it's stupid. I think football,
in my life has always been the one sport that
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is constantly changing. There's an old saying in sports. The
NBA thinks of it. Baseball makes the most money from it,
and football gets it right. They tweak, they change, they alter,
even during games, during the playoffs, they'll change a rule
to make it better for the fans. You cannot compare
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Brady and Patrick Mahomes. You can't compare them. I mean,
Brady had a defensive conservative coach who could not draft
wide receivers. Mahomes has the greatest offensive coach, maybe next
to Bill Walsh, ever, and he has a surplus of
almost everything. Now, they had to get rid of one
wide receiver, but they always find talent, They always find
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creative play design. They're different players in different eras. You
go back to when Brady broke into the league. What
you could do to wide receivers, Jammingham, you could do
to quarterbacks, how you can hit people upstairs. None of
that's allowed. That gets you thrown out of games. Now,
that is not a knock at Mahomes. It is the
reality of a sport that is constantly fluctuating and constantly changing.
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It's different. Bob Gibson, the great Saint Louis Cardinal pitcher,
he would get people out if he was pitching today.
So it's Sandy Kofax, it's pitcher against hitter. You can
make changes to the rules that goofy, defensive shift that
was implemented then retracted, and some stuff changes like analytics
where now ground balls or troubles strikeouts are okay. They
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talk long jangle and stuff. Nobody really outside of baseball
cares about. Football is just changing all the time. Overtime rules,
regulation rules, the kickoff is different, the pat is different,
and you can't do nearly what you can do as
a defender that you could do twenty years ago when
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Tom Brady broke into this league. Stylistically, they're two different players,
Mahomes and Brady. The coaching is different. And I think,
to me, all the great quarterbacks in my life, you
can go to Bradshaw to Stabler, to Aipman, to Marino,
to Elway to Mahomes to Brady, like all of them.
I feel like the all time great to have two
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things in common franchise stability, like he kind of had
the same people in the building mostly for a long time,
and he had a really strong coach. It could be
Chuck Knowle, it could be a Madden, a Belichick and
Andy Reid, Shula Shanahan. That's it. A strong coach who
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in his era is among the top two or three,
and stability in the organization. So comparing Brady and Mahomes,
it's a little bit like comparing currency to cryptocurrency, Like
I know you can pay for stuff with both, but
one I don't know what to do with and the
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other I know exactly what to do with. And Mahomes
is just entering as prime. I don't know what it's
going to become. And I think, I mean, the Goat
talk to me. Are we just filling content? Are we
filling sections? Are we filling space? It's like in college
football when a writer's in October early October talking Heisman
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talk about the games. Nobody cares about an award that's
regional at best. Here's Mahomes on the Goat talks.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I'm trying to be the greatest patron of Mahomes that
I can be. I mean, that's obviously a goal of
anyone's is to be the greatest of their profession. But
in order to do that, you be the greatest of
you can be every single day. And if that's on
the field and not the work ethic got put in
or off the field, and the father and then the
husband and I am I'm gonna try to be the
greatest in that way. And whenever I'm done with football,
if I leave everything out there the way that I
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feel like I have so far as far as effort
and mentality, I'll be happy with the results and I'll
let others talk about who the greatest is of whatever profession.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
That is, all right, don't forget thirty five minutes from now,
I'm gonna give you the top ten players. Do this
for every championship, the biggest games of the year, I'll
give you who I think are the ten best players
in order. Yeah, Mahomes is probably number one.
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So, because the Deshaun Watson situation in Cleveland's such a mess,
and because ownership's been chaotic, Miles Garrett is now available
on the market. Miles Garrett's like I don't want to
be a Cleveland brown and by the way, they had
some success with him, just not last year. So Miles
Garrett is a once. The Cleveland Browns will never draft
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another pass rusher as good as Miles Garrett, and the
Giants will never have another LT. And that's just the
reality of it. Miles Garrett, to me, is one of six,
maybe five defensive players in the league. Max Crosby's probably
one that I would pay for, Chris Jones of Kansas
City is one. I think Jalen Carter is probably one.
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I would just open the checkbook. I don't care what
he costs. There are two teams that need to go
make aggressive runs at Miles Garrett, the Buffalo Bills and
the Green Bay Packers. So let's think about Buffalo with
a good defense and Sean McDermott. I've watched this thing
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over and over with Mahomes. You can't stop him. He's
dropping thirty five plus, he doesn't work. You have a
defensive coach Josh Allen in the defensive culture, you can't
stop Mahomes. You're not gonna find him in the draft.
There's nobody sniffing Miles Garrett in this draft. There's nobody
close to his guy there's about six six to eight
first round players that scouts think are really really elite.
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It is a very watered down mostly second and third
and fourth round picks. Go get in green Bay. You're
facing the best offensive line arguably in football in Detroit,
and if you get past them, the next great offensive
line is Philadelphia. The only way to beat a Philadelphia
or Detroit with those old lines if you're Green Bay,
because Jordan Love is gonna make mistakes, is an unblockable
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rush in. And so I look at Buffalo and I
look at Green Bay. Guys, I'm look at what you're
surrounded by. You're not beating mahomes unless you buy a disruptor.
And you're not getting through Detroit and Philadelphia's old lines
with green Bay's current pass rush. And because Buffalo and
green Bay are the two smallest markets, you know, the
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media is more supportive. That doesn't mean it doesn't have
any bite, but the Buffalo media and the Green Bay media,
it's a little bit like New Orleans. They're kind of
on your side a little bit. If the New York
Giants are the Jets. For instance, New York teams with
an angry, loud New York media if they were this
far from the Super Bowl, radio stations, newspapers, the media
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and fans in New York would be demanding you get
Miles Garrett. But Green Bay and Buffalo, and I've been
reading some of the local articles there on the Miles
Garrett thing. It's like, well, it'd be a pretty decent fit. No, no,
you're not beating Mahomes. You can't stop Mahomes. Von Miller's
getting older, like it's over. You're not beating Mahomes and
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green Bay. You gotta take a big swing on this
because Jordan Love is good, but he can be reckless.
You're gonna be in close games with Detroit, Philadelphia, the
improving Rams, the Niners are still around. Who knows what
Washington is. So to me, you get one Miles Garrett
in a franchise history. He is an outcome changer. And
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there's maybe six guys in pro football today, and there's
a lot of great players. There's maybe six, two of
them Jared versus Jalen Carter. I'm not there yet, but
I think I'm close that I would pay for Max
Crosby's won whatever, give me the checkbook. But like Miles Garrett,
there are two teams Buffalo and Green Bay. You really
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gotta think long and hard about your future. Do you
want to change outcomes? Listen, when you had far and Rogers,
you got one super Bowl. You're not a free agent
hub like players. Don't go and think Buffalo and Green
Bay on average, not sexy markets. You gonna make it happen.
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And you're a guy like Miles Garrett may never show
up in the market for the next five years. Guys
like him just don't show up on the market. Teams
don't let him go, go get him.
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Every time I have a big game, I take off
the yellow pad and I give you my favorite ten
players in the game, the ten best players. And it's
tough because I'll just tell you Travis Kelsey doesn't make it.
It's not because he couldn't be the MVP, but I
just don't see it happening. So here we go. Here's
who I believe the ten best players in this game.
And number one is not a big shock. I think
it'st Patrick Mahomes, who was not necessarily great against Houston,
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but I've said this with MJ. There are certain players
in these big moments that are not burdened by pressure.
It's almost as if Mahomes needs the playoff intensity to
elevate himself. Nine consecutive postseason wins, he's number one. I
think number two. It's the historic sa UoN Barkley. When
he went to Philadelphia with that old line. We said, folks,
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the Giants have just made a franchise mistake. That is egregious.
Fourteen games this year with one hundred plus rush yards. Now,
obviously some of that is the offensive line. He's just different.
He's just a different player. You know, running backs are
hard to describe because all the great ones have had
stylistically kind of a different bent speed, ability to make
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you miss jump over through Saquon Barkley at two, I
would put Chris Jones number three. When you're a defensive
lineman and can move anywhere on the defensive line and
you're unblockable on the end, you're unblockable on the interior.
He was the highest graded interior defensive lineman this season,
including the playoffs. You know, remember when they weren't sure
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if they were going to pay Chris Jones and I
believe the future of the NFL. You're seeing this a lot.
His teams will pay one great defensive lineman, but pay
most of the money on offense. Chris is number three
for me. Number four is I think Jalen Carter is
virtually unblockable. He's not Chris Jones in terms of consistency yet,
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but he led the team in pressures, tackles for loss, quarterbacks, hits,
and he's got an Aaron Donald vibe, which you have
to start your offensive game plan with. Okay, how do
we get Jalen Carter out of the picture? I'd put
him at four. Jordan Malatta, the highest credited offensive tackle,
I would put him at five. We'll get to Tuney
in a second. I would put Jordan Malatta, who was
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the highest credded tackle in the regular season. Now, listen
Philadelphia's offensive line. They do offensive lines really, really well,
and so you could do multiple players on this, including
Lane Johnson. But I think you know, only two sacks
allowed this year and only one during the regular season
in five hundred opportunities to pass block, so and you
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remember you're blocking the best athlete some would say on
the defense. Number six Joe Tooney, he's the best pass
blocking left guard in football. Again, when Kansas City went
and spent that money in New England, right and they
went and bought him, everybody said, whoa, that is a
lot for a guard. Well, they moved this guy due
to injuries out to left tackle. He's elite at left
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tackled as well, and I do believe that Tooney and
the ability to protect Mahomes. Mahomes only lost one game
ugly in his life, in the playoffs when he didn't
get protection against Tom Brady and Tampa. I think number
seven is AJ Brown.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Again.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
You sometimes forget how good Phillies wide receivers are because
they're such a power run game. But he was top
ten in misstackles. And I think his physicality is really
important because I think Kansas City is the best tackling
team in the league. That's just an eye test. I
don't have data to back that up. But AJ Brown
is number seven eight R McDuffie Kansas City, tremendous corner
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second highest graded cornerback during the regular season. Again, they're
gonna put him, They're gonna put him on a J.
Brown and say, I mean, I think you have to
with Devonte Smith, A. J. Brown, Dallas Goddard. Goetta have
to have some one on one matchups and that's one
Kansas that he has to win. I would put Zach
Baughn at nine. The guy's unbelievable. He was a special
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teams player. He's tremendous in coverage. I think he's one
of the surprise players of the year in pass coverage
this year. This is such a great stat He's allowed
a sixty nine passer rating. That's about as good as
a linebacker can do. And number ten, Jalen Hurts. Again,
when you put pressure on Jalen Hurts, he regresses significantly.
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But here's the thing. It's hard to get pressure on
Jalen Hurts because of the old line in the run game.
So there you have my top ten. I think it
comes out to four Chiefs and six Philadelphia Eagles, Dallas Goddard.
I mean, there's a lot of people I'm leaving out
unbelievable corners for Philadelphia Mitchell. I mean, again, there's sixteen
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guys here who should make the list. But a couple
of years ago, I did this with San Francisco and
Kansas City, and I got the same dilemma. There's Hall
of famers that may not make the list. Travis Kelsey
could be the MVP of the game, or we could
have two.
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Speaker 1 (27:29):
Drew Brees twenty years in the NFL, fifteen years here.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
In New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
That is interesting. You have an encyclopedic memory and knowledge
of this stuff. But go back to your Super Bowl week.
You obviously you have extra time, you have Sean Payton,
you put stuff in? Did you take stuff out? Or
did you go into your Super Bowl Drew with just
more plays than you'd never had in your life.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
No, I don't remember the volume being an issue of
that week because you know, quite honestly, the Colts, the
Colts defense, which what wasn't that complicated?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
You know?
Speaker 6 (28:08):
That was that was back in at the time when
they were very much like Tampa two. And we're just
going to allow our pass rushers Dwight Freeney and Robert
Mathis to get after you, right and man, we've got
we've got good players in the secondary that are just
going to keep it in front of them, and we're
just going to kind of manage the game because we
know we have a high scoring offense, you know, on
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the other side.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
So I don't remember the volume being.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
An issue necessarily as far as the volume of plays
in the game plan. It was more so I think
for us, like our success we knew was number one,
we need to steal a possession in this game, right,
which we did at the start of the of the
second half, right with that on side kick that we
called ambush. But it was it was really more so
like how do we create a rhythm, you know with
our offense against these guys, and and a level of
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patience because look, we were a big play offense too.
We were used to you know, kind of those you know,
big play shots down the field, and I think we
just recognize, hey, these guys don't really give that to us.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
So we're gonna have to run the ball effectively. We're
gonna hit him with the.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
Screen game to try to slow down the pass rush,
and then we're just gonna be methodical with the passing game,
which we were super efficient to pass the game. And oh,
by the way, what that does is it also chews
up the clock, and it keeps one of the best
players in the world off the field on the other
side in Peyton Manning. So quite honestly, like I see
that very much like what Philadelphia's game plan should be
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against the Chiefs this week, which is run the ball,
possess the ball, chew up the clock, wear down that defense,
and keep the best player in the world Patrick Holmes
off the field on the other side.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
You know, it's interesting because I would think a guy
like you and you mentioned Peyton Manning, both of you
very cerebral. I would think short weeks would drive you
crazy and you would love an extra day or a
buy or Super Bowl because you could just fill your
brain with more information. So to you, extra time, like
to you, was it a kid in the candy store.
(30:02):
It's like, hey, I got more time to like exercise efficiency.
How did you limit it?
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Well, sometimes too much time results in over analysis, right, right,
and then it's and then it's paralysis by over analysis, right. So, Like, honestly,
I felt like we had a great plan, which was
a two weeks prior to the Super Bowl. So the
first week, honestly was a lot of just good on
good competition with our team, Like we really didn't get
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into a lot of the game planning for the Indianapolis Colts.
Yes we were watching film, and yes we were starting
to have an idea of you know how we were
going to attack them, But we did not install our
game plan against the Colts in the week prior to
the Super Bowl. We waited until we actually got to Miami,
which is where we played it. And we because we
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wanted to, uh, we wanted to have as normal a
work week as possible, right, Like that's the that's the
toughest think about the Super Bowls? How do you make
the Super Bowl a normal work week? You're in a
foreign place, practicing in a different facility that you have
to bust to. You're in a hotel where there's all
kinds of chaos going on, Like how do you order
the chaos?
Speaker 3 (31:11):
How do you create some normalcy in a routine?
Speaker 6 (31:14):
And so we did like good on good competitive.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Man weight room.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
That was like our first week, right, and then the
minute we arrived in Miami, it was like, all right,
here we go.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Flip the switch game plan.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Wednesday's space, Thursday's third down, Friday's red zone, shortyardage goal line, Saturday,
Hay's in the barn Man quick walk through jog through bot.
We got it in our mind. Let's go win a
football game.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
You know, it's interesting. Brady and Hasselbeck both talked about
this on the show, and this is what has always
been fascinating is that you guys watch so much film,
and Hasselbeck talked about homegrun adding something. Late in the week,
Brady came on and said, we added we placed that
Seahawk team that had no weaknesses. We came up with
three new plays the night before just because he goes,
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I didn't trust our red zone package. Did Sean with you,
Drew say, listen, I found something on tape or did
you say, you know, Sean, we got to clean something up.
Anything Saturday night happen.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah, it would from time to time.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
And a lot of that was just you know, Sean
and my routine of I would always go back on
Saturday morning, which was again our are just kind of
walk through day, you know, walk through the game plan,
the first fifteen plays of the game, you know, kind
of hit some red zone.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Third down thoughts.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
I would watch a couple games on Saturday morning more
so just to kind of go back and just like
feel the flow and the rhythm of a game and
maybe how some other teams that attacked them. And again
it was just it was very relaxed, but it was
and in that moment you would just kind of be
looking at it through a different lens at that point,
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because you were kind of, you know, past what you
thought was the game planning thing.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
But all of a sudden you would see something like just.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
A little like oh wow, I feel like, you know,
this may be a good opportunity or off of this look,
maybe a great opportunity to run a little stutter and
go on that corner, or a double move on this
linebacker with the running back, or you know, just something.
And at that point though, it had to be like
a game changing thing, like we didn't need another play
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that was gonna get us a five to ten yard completion.
We wanted to play that was like, oh no, this
is a shot opportunity. This is a big play opportunity,
a game winner opportunity.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
So yeah, we had a couple of those.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
In fact, we're playing Monday night football against the Miami
Dolphins twenty thirteen. Night before the game, we had this
little h choice with Darren sprolls where he's.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Just gonna kind of run up five yards. He's got
a three way go.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
But I'm like, man, this backer is just so aggressive,
like on film time after time, and he's gonna see
that and he's just gonna be sitting all over and
it's like, hey, Sean, what if we just double move
this guy like right off the bat, you know, and
just like set the tone early. Sure enough, second play
of the game, we run this. We put it in
literally the night before, and man, it works like a
charm forty r completion And that's when you're kind of
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that's when you're kind of looking at the sideline light.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yeah, we got it. You know.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I read a survey it must have been fifteen years ago,
and they were talking about the most unique cities in
the country, and New Orleans was number one. They said,
the vibe, the food, the people. To be the Saints
quarterback here for fifteen years, it's not like being a
quarterback nothing against Seattle or Baltimore. But I mean, what
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is it like? This is such a simple question, but
in one of the most unique American cities, what is
it like? What do you remember about being the Saints quarterback?
For fifteen years. What sticks to you.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
Well, I think the thing that sticks out most to
me is that the community of New Orleans they were
more fans of New Orleans than they even were, or
they were first fans of New Orleans than they were
fans of the Saints. Like in other words, when you
walked around town, it wasn't like ghost Saints or thanks
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for what you do for the team.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
It was like, man, thanks for loving this city. So
it just it just gave you this.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
Feeling that, man, we were all in this whole effort together,
and like people appreciate the fact that my wife Brittany
and I lived right in the heart of the city,
like righting uptown New Orleans, and that we'd be walking
the dog in the park just like everybody else, but
we'd be you know, having gumbo down at you know,
the local spot. You're just like everybody else, right, Like,
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there was just this feeling of man, they're just they're
just like us, you know, and they want to be
just like us, and they're just part of this community
and part of this society, and like that was what
was so unique about about this place.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Finally, where do I get one of those sweet Crown
Royal jackets you're wearing. Can you get me one of those?
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Droop? You know what. I'm glad you asked, Colin. Really, buddy,
I got one here. I got one here right man.
Look at this sat a satin starter jacket.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
We got NFL Crown Royal and this is incredible partnership
with Crown Royal. They've been a huge benefactor to our foundation,
helping us with all of our efforts here in New Orleans,
something to build affordable housing, job skills training, build healthcare
facilities around around the state. And they're doing a ton
of things here during Super Bowl Week, donating a lot
of money to the Foundation for Louisiana. They've got a
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pop up down in the quarter selling the jackets, all
the proceeds going the Foundation. They got the Crown Royal
rig in town that people can go check out and
pack backs for military to be able to send overseas.
So Crown roy is doing a ton of great stuff.
They've been what four years, the official whiskey of the NFL.
So really appreciate their support of the Foundation, support of
New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
And I really appreciate that jacket, Buddy, I really, you know,
one for the top.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
It's a sharp it's a sharp jacket. It's got the
Super Bowl fifty nine logo on the back.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
So even have you looking clean?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
All right?
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Drew?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Great sine as always, man, I really appreciate your insight
this year, Bud.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yeah yeah, love this year. Spend time with you. Thanks
coming
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Welcome into the Crescent City Live in New Orleans, a
perfect setting for a Super Bowl for the ages. Jamax
to my side, our guest list filling up. We are
in New Orleans and this is the Herd. We have
a great show, and we're gonna be here in New
Orleans for a couple of days and we're gonna make
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it and we're gonna make it count.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Jmax.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Now, I was gonna lead with the Lakers, who made
another move last night. For the last time I did
a show that led with the Lakers. Things got fuzzy
really fast. So I'm gonna make that the second story.
I'm a little superstitious on that. What I want to
lead with is this. I thought about this last night.
What is this Super Bowl gonna look like? And you
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know what I think it is, and I think it's
a pretty good comp This is gonna be the New
England Seahawks Super Bowl. Remember that the Seahawks, like the Eagles,
had a stacked roster. In fact, when people talk about
Philadelphia's roster, they say it's the best since Seattle. You
talked to Tom Brady about that Seahawks roster. I've talked
to him on this show, and He's like, there were
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no weaknesses. Everybody was great. Safeties, corners, edge rushers, defensive tackles.
There were no weaknesses. There were no flaws. That's Philadelphia.
But the quarterback Russell Wilson Jalen Hurts a little small mobile.
Is he an old timer? No? New England is Kansas City,
iconic coach, maybe the greatest quarterback of all time, second
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best roster. But they always win close games. Anytime of
game is close. It could go either way. Anytime it's
a big third down, it'd be Brady and the Patriots.
It's Mahomes in Kansas City to win that game. And
I want to talk about this because I think this
is gonna be a chess match, and I think one
of the chess matches is gonna be between Mahomes and
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Vic Fangio, the defensive coordinator for Philadelphia, who, by the way,
Mahomes is eight and zero. Again, every quarterback in the
league struggles with Vic Fangio, except maybe Josh Allen and
accept maybe Patrick Mahomes. And I do think we have
to consider this, and I don't think this is hyperbolic.
If Patrick Mahomes wins and the first team, now the
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Packers did it, but the first team in what we
consider modern football to win three in a row. He
is the NFL's MJ. And I think there are real
similarities MJ six for six in the finals, six MVPs,
but we saw as struggles and I'll get to that
in a second. Mahomes is almost relentless like MJ. He
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didn't look great in the regular season. Michael had off nights,
but they both kind of shift gears. And what I've
always noticed about Mahomes much like Michael, They're not burdened
with pressure. It's almost like they get bored in the
regular season. And Michael would put his arms around these
moments like, Okay, this stuff counts. It was Tiger in
his prime. Oh or finally, the Sunday final nine holes.
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That's Mahomes. The way he shrinks Lamar Jackson, an all
time great. The way he shrinks Josh Allen, maybe the
most physically gifted quarterback since Marino or Lway, makes me
think Mahomes sometimes like MJ, is bored with the regular season.
He's that gifted. And when I watched MJ, and I
remember this well, sitting on a couch watching the Suns
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Bulls final and Barkley was amazing. But he made Barkley
look okay. And MJ wasn't the best shooter. He wasn't
the biggest player, he wasn't the strongest player, he wasn't
the best ball handler, none of that stuff, none of
it with Michael. But he was six foot six of relentless.
Mahomes isn't this big, and he doesn't move like mar Jackson.
He doesn't have the best arm, although he throws kind
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of quirky side arm. But there's just something about him.
There's an it, and it's why. Remember now, Michael wasn't
a number one pick. Mahomes wasn't a number one pick.
That was Lebron. Lebron was on the cover of Sports
Illustrated at sixteen Lebron was the prodigy. Lebron was the
overwhelming number one pick. But that's not the way it
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was with Michael and Mahomes. Mahomes had a losing record
in the Big Twelve. There's one year he led the
conference in interceptions. I saw him play one college game
that I remember. He was really skinny wild. It was
a shootout, like all Big Twelve games, and I thought,
that doesn't translate to the NFL. He's out of control.
And people forget this about MJ. It's as if the
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archives of MJ losing have been lost. They went from
you to triangle. Where did they go? Nobody knows. Michael
Jordan won is a freshman. You saw the movie Air.
He hits the big shot, remember that, you Rea. I
realized that Michael stayed in college for two more years
and didn't win a title. In fact, there is a
ten year gap. If you ever want to come down
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to the Bourbon Street and whin a free cocktail and
oysters bet people this from his title as a freshman
at UNC to his first NBA championship, Michael Jordan had
a Grand Canyon size ten year gap before he won
a title. And it's like there's no footage of it.
It's like the tape disappeared. So I watched Michael get
beat up by the Celtics and the Pistons. I watched
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Mahomes be wild lead the Big twelve interceptions and because
of that, they're not prodigies. They weren't on the cover,
they weren't Bryce Harper, they weren't Tiger Woods. Because of that,
I've watched them stumble, get beaten up, get tackled by
the Pistons, and the Celtics get rolled by Oklahoma, and
I think it makes them incredibly likable. But I do
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think this is going to look like New England Brady
with a little less talent around him, though good, with
an iconic coach against the stack roster and a very
good coach Pete Carroll and a very good quarterback in
his prime, Russell Wilson. And my guess is it ends
the same way with the iconic all time quarterback on
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one play late winning the game, and here's Mahomes talking
about the matchup with Big Fangio.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Every time I've played Coach Fangio, there's been different changeups
and different things that he's thrown at us. And I
think That's what makes him so great is he's not
gonna just do exactly what you saw the last time.
And so I'm sure there'll be blitzes in the game.
I'm sure there be times that they play coverage. It's
gonna be a chess match, and you want to go
up against the best, and he's one of the best
defensive coordinators in the the NFL, and it'll be a
great challenge for us as an offense and as a
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football team.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Okay, now I'll talk Lakers. Take a deep breath. I'll
be fine. So the Lakers made a couple of moves,
but they made another one last night to get a
really talented kid that I didn't watch him in the NBA,
just highlights, but I saw him at Duke named Mark Williams.
Big athletic shot blocker, more defense than offense, has a
nice little soft touch around the rim. That's what the
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Lakers needed. That's what the Lakers acquired twenty three years old,
great future, and the Warriors got Jimmy Butler. Get to
that in a second. But I don't know if the
Laker or Warrior moves make them championship teams. Feels more
possible with the Lakers. But the new CBA in twenty
twenty three put up this wall of fear and a
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lot of teams didn't want to make moves. But who did?
Last year the Celtics drew Holliday and Porzingis and the
MAVs with Gafford and they went out and got PJ.
Washington and who ended up in the finals, the MAVs
and the Celtics. So this year trading deadline, if you're
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not making moves, you feel like you're not progressive, you're
not competitive, you're asleep at the wheel. I mean, Rob Polenka,
let's be honest about this, got himself a five year
new deal, getting Luca without giving up Auston Reeves or
a second number one pick and getting Mark Williams and
again not giving up Austin Reeves. And I don't know
long term what Austin Reeves is gonna provide with Luca
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and Lebron James, but I know this. Dallas was twenty
nine and twenty three last year at the trading deadline
and then went twenty one to nine and ended up
in the finals. So everybody was really really with a
new CBA, a little self conscious, a little rigid, a
little fearful on making big moves. MAVs Celtics did and
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were rewarded, and I think the Lakers and the Warriors
did and will be rewarded. I think between Luca Austin
Reeves a rim protector, the Lakers and Luca, I think
I think they went from old to young athletic. They're
still not great as a perimeter defensive team. They probably
need another three point shooter, but the Lakers have literally
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changed the feel and the reality of their roster, old
to young and more dynamic. And that's a real thing
in Los Angeles now. In terms of Jimmy Butler to
the Warriors, I said this, I think a month ago
on the air, I said, they got to make a move.
If Steph's not on the floor, they're boring. And the
one thing with the Warriors, you didn't have to love them.
They were never boring. And it's like, he needs a
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number two star and he got it. And yes, they
gave up Andrew Wiggins. They've been looking to move him
for years. Yeah they move, but you know what they
keep kaminga They got Draymond, it's Steph, it's Jimmy Butler. Now,
I don't know if this takes them to a new level.
But the NBA's television ratings for the last three years
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have had a interesting problem. And this solves the interesting
problem for the Warriors and the Lakers, who, by the way,
every time they play on Christmas, every time Steph and
Lebron play, it's the highest rated game in the regular season,
and it was this year so far, and now they
both got more interesting. And whereas you know, the NBA
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is doing a lot of things right, but it's getting
more European. It's less reliant on familiar college basketball players.
So it does matter where the players play in La
New York, Boston, Philadelphia, San Francisco. It matters. That's why
baseball ratings Dodgers, great Yankees, great Met's interesting. Bryce Harper
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Philly is good. In the NFL, it doesn't matter. Buffalo
could face Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl, you'll get
a number Baseball. In the NBA, there can be interesting problems,
so you need the right stars to end up in
the right places. So I look at this. I am
much more interested in the NBA today than I was
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three days ago. That's all I know. I cannot wait
to watch Jimmy Butler, Stephen Draymond, and I Luca, Mark Williams,
Lebron Austin Reeves. I don't know. That feels like a
team that can get to the finals. Mark Williams is
one of those guys. He's young, he's had injuries, but
when he's on the floor, and I saw him at Duke.
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Not a lot of NBA knowledge, but I saw him
at Duke and he is a force. He is an
athletic force. So J Mack, here we are. Matt Hasselbeck's
gonna be on set in twenty minutes. Drew Brees, Mark Sanchez.
I will do what I always do for the biggest
games of the year. I take out my yellow pad
and I rate all the players, Chiefs and Eagles. Who's
got the more play Generally, whoever's got the more good
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players wins. I will tell you it is tough. There
are there are sixteen guys. I'll just tell you right now,
Travis Kelsey didn't make it. That's not that out of
a take. Come on ten in this game, he's pretty good.
By the way. You see money coming in on the Eagles. Here,
line's coming down a little bit, probably gonna head toward.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Pick them this weekend.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
All right, Well, people make mistakes all the time. They
do not, they do not the public state at the
Crescent City of Bourbon Street, beautiful place. This place is
called Mason Bourbon. It's a it's a jazz home, which,
as you know in New Orleans, is something that'sra special.
Coming up next among our other thoughts is there is
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a secret sauce and a familiarity with the Eagles and
Chiefs that isn't getting discussed much. We'll talk about that next.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
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App down to the ball were of the President City
in New Orleans on Bourbon Street. So of the great
philosophers and quotable philosophers of our time or any generation.
There's Shakespeare, there's Aristotle, and of course Tony Soprano, and
that Tony Soprano says one time, remember when is the
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lowest form of communication? Or in other words, look through
the windshield, not the rear view mirror, remember when I
gotta be honest. There's a lot of talk about Brady
and Mahomes goat talk. I think it's stupid. I think football,
in my life has always been the one sport that
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is constantly changing. There's an old saying in sports. The
NBA thinks of it. Baseball makes the most money from it,
and football gets it right. They tweak, they change, they alter,
even during games, during the playoffs, they'll change a rule
to make it better for the fans. You cannot compare
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Brady and Patrick Mahomes. You can't compare them. I mean,
Brady had a defensive conservative coach who could not draft
wide receivers. Mahomes has the greatest offensive coach, maybe next
to Bill Walsh, ever, and he has a surplus of
almost everything. Now, they had to get rid of one
wide receiver, but they always find talent, They always find
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creative play design. They're different players in different eras. You
go back to when Brady broke into the league. What
you could do to wide receivers, Jammingham, you could do
to quarterbacks, how you can hit people upstairs. None of
that's allowed. That gets you thrown out of games. Now,
that is not a knock at Mahomes. It is the
reality of a sport that is constantly fluctuating and constantly changing.
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It's different. Bob Gibson, the great Saint Louis Cardinal pitcher,
he would get people out if he was pitching today.
So it's Sandy Kofax, it's pitcher against hitter. You can
make changes to the rules that goofy, defensive shift that
was implemented then retracted, and some stuff changes like analytics
where now ground balls or troubles strikeouts are okay. They
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talk long jangle and stuff. Nobody really outside of baseball
cares about. Football is just changing all the time. Overtime rules,
regulation rules, the kickoff is different, the pat is different,
and you can't do nearly what you can do as
a defender that you could do twenty years ago when
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Tom Brady broke into this league. Stylistically, they're two different players,
Mahomes and Brady. The coaching is different. And I think,
to me, all the great quarterbacks in my life, you
can go to Bradshaw to Stabler, to Aipman, to Marino,
to Elway to Mahomes to Brady, like all of them.
I feel like the all time great to have two
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things in common franchise stability, like he kind of had
the same people in the building mostly for a long time,
and he had a really strong coach. It could be
Chuck Knowle, it could be a Madden, a Belichick and
Andy Reid, Shula Shanahan. That's it. A strong coach who
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in his era is among the top two or three,
and stability in the organization. So comparing Brady and Mahomes,
it's a little bit like comparing currency to cryptocurrency, Like
I know you can pay for stuff with both, but
one I don't know what to do with and the
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other I know exactly what to do with. And Mahomes
is just entering as prime. I don't know what it's
going to become. And I think, I mean, the Goat
talk to me. Are we just filling content? Are we
filling sections? Are we filling space? It's like in college
football when a writer's in October early October talking Heisman
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talk about the games. Nobody cares about an award that's
regional at best. Here's Mahomes on the Goat talks.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I'm trying to be the greatest patron of Mahomes that
I can be. I mean, that's obviously a goal of
anyone's is to be the greatest of their profession. But
in order to do that, you be the greatest of
you can be every single day. And if that's on
the field and not the work ethic got put in
or off the field, and the father and then the
husband and I am I'm gonna try to be the
greatest in that way. And whenever I'm done with football,
if I leave everything out there the way that I
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feel like I have so far as far as effort
and mentality, I'll be happy with the results and I'll
let others talk about who the greatest is of whatever profession.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
That is, all right, don't forget thirty five minutes from now,
I'm gonna give you the top ten players. Do this
for every championship, the biggest games of the year, I'll
give you who I think are the ten best players
in order. Yeah, Mahomes is probably number one.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
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Speaker 1 (18:10):
So, because the Deshaun Watson situation in Cleveland's such a mess,
and because ownership's been chaotic, Miles Garrett is now available
on the market. Miles Garrett's like I don't want to
be a Cleveland brown and by the way, they had
some success with him, just not last year. So Miles
Garrett is a once. The Cleveland Browns will never draft
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another pass rusher as good as Miles Garrett, and the
Giants will never have another LT. And that's just the
reality of it. Miles Garrett, to me, is one of six,
maybe five defensive players in the league. Max Crosby's probably
one that I would pay for, Chris Jones of Kansas
City is one. I think Jalen Carter is probably one.
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I would just open the checkbook. I don't care what
he costs. There are two teams that need to go
make aggressive runs at Miles Garrett, the Buffalo Bills and
the Green Bay Packers. So let's think about Buffalo with
a good defense and Sean McDermott. I've watched this thing
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over and over with Mahomes. You can't stop him. He's
dropping thirty five plus, he doesn't work. You have a
defensive coach Josh Allen in the defensive culture, you can't
stop Mahomes. You're not gonna find him in the draft.
There's nobody sniffing Miles Garrett in this draft. There's nobody
close to his guy there's about six six to eight
first round players that scouts think are really really elite.
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It is a very watered down mostly second and third
and fourth round picks. Go get in green Bay. You're
facing the best offensive line arguably in football in Detroit,
and if you get past them, the next great offensive
line is Philadelphia. The only way to beat a Philadelphia
or Detroit with those old lines if you're Green Bay,
because Jordan Love is gonna make mistakes, is an unblockable
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rush in. And so I look at Buffalo and I
look at Green Bay. Guys, I'm look at what you're
surrounded by. You're not beating mahomes unless you buy a disruptor.
And you're not getting through Detroit and Philadelphia's old lines
with green Bay's current pass rush. And because Buffalo and
green Bay are the two smallest markets, you know, the
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media is more supportive. That doesn't mean it doesn't have
any bite, but the Buffalo media and the Green Bay media,
it's a little bit like New Orleans. They're kind of
on your side a little bit. If the New York
Giants are the Jets. For instance, New York teams with
an angry, loud New York media if they were this
far from the Super Bowl, radio stations, newspapers, the media
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and fans in New York would be demanding you get
Miles Garrett. But Green Bay and Buffalo, and I've been
reading some of the local articles there on the Miles
Garrett thing. It's like, well, it'd be a pretty decent fit. No, no,
you're not beating Mahomes. You can't stop Mahomes. Von Miller's
getting older, like it's over. You're not beating Mahomes and
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green Bay. You gotta take a big swing on this
because Jordan Love is good, but he can be reckless.
You're gonna be in close games with Detroit, Philadelphia, the
improving Rams, the Niners are still around. Who knows what
Washington is. So to me, you get one Miles Garrett
in a franchise history. He is an outcome changer. And
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there's maybe six guys in pro football today, and there's
a lot of great players. There's maybe six, two of
them Jared versus Jalen Carter. I'm not there yet, but
I think I'm close that I would pay for Max
Crosby's won whatever, give me the checkbook. But like Miles Garrett,
there are two teams Buffalo and Green Bay. You really
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gotta think long and hard about your future. Do you
want to change outcomes? Listen, when you had far and Rogers,
you got one super Bowl. You're not a free agent
hub like players. Don't go and think Buffalo and Green
Bay on average, not sexy markets. You gonna make it happen.
(22:11):
And you're a guy like Miles Garrett may never show
up in the market for the next five years. Guys
like him just don't show up on the market. Teams
don't let him go, go get him.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
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Speaker 1 (22:27):
Every time I have a big game, I take off
the yellow pad and I give you my favorite ten
players in the game, the ten best players. And it's
tough because I'll just tell you Travis Kelsey doesn't make it.
It's not because he couldn't be the MVP, but I
just don't see it happening. So here we go. Here's
who I believe the ten best players in this game.
And number one is not a big shock. I think
it'st Patrick Mahomes, who was not necessarily great against Houston,
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but I've said this with MJ. There are certain players
in these big moments that are not burdened by pressure.
It's almost as if Mahomes needs the playoff intensity to
elevate himself. Nine consecutive postseason wins, he's number one. I
think number two. It's the historic sa UoN Barkley. When
he went to Philadelphia with that old line. We said, folks,
(23:13):
the Giants have just made a franchise mistake. That is egregious.
Fourteen games this year with one hundred plus rush yards. Now,
obviously some of that is the offensive line. He's just different.
He's just a different player. You know, running backs are
hard to describe because all the great ones have had
stylistically kind of a different bent speed, ability to make
(23:35):
you miss jump over through Saquon Barkley at two, I
would put Chris Jones number three. When you're a defensive
lineman and can move anywhere on the defensive line and
you're unblockable on the end, you're unblockable on the interior.
He was the highest graded interior defensive lineman this season,
including the playoffs. You know, remember when they weren't sure
(23:56):
if they were going to pay Chris Jones and I
believe the future of the NFL. You're seeing this a lot.
His teams will pay one great defensive lineman, but pay
most of the money on offense. Chris is number three
for me. Number four is I think Jalen Carter is
virtually unblockable. He's not Chris Jones in terms of consistency yet,
(24:17):
but he led the team in pressures, tackles for loss, quarterbacks, hits,
and he's got an Aaron Donald vibe, which you have
to start your offensive game plan with. Okay, how do
we get Jalen Carter out of the picture? I'd put
him at four. Jordan Malatta, the highest credited offensive tackle,
I would put him at five. We'll get to Tuney
in a second. I would put Jordan Malatta, who was
(24:38):
the highest credded tackle in the regular season. Now, listen
Philadelphia's offensive line. They do offensive lines really, really well,
and so you could do multiple players on this, including
Lane Johnson. But I think you know, only two sacks
allowed this year and only one during the regular season
in five hundred opportunities to pass block, so and you
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remember you're blocking the best athlete some would say on
the defense. Number six Joe Tooney, he's the best pass
blocking left guard in football. Again, when Kansas City went
and spent that money in New England, right and they
went and bought him, everybody said, whoa, that is a
lot for a guard. Well, they moved this guy due
to injuries out to left tackle. He's elite at left
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tackled as well, and I do believe that Tooney and
the ability to protect Mahomes. Mahomes only lost one game
ugly in his life, in the playoffs when he didn't
get protection against Tom Brady and Tampa. I think number
seven is AJ Brown.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Again.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
You sometimes forget how good Phillies wide receivers are because
they're such a power run game. But he was top
ten in misstackles. And I think his physicality is really
important because I think Kansas City is the best tackling
team in the league. That's just an eye test. I
don't have data to back that up. But AJ Brown
is number seven eight R McDuffie Kansas City, tremendous corner
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second highest graded cornerback during the regular season. Again, they're
gonna put him, They're gonna put him on a J.
Brown and say, I mean, I think you have to
with Devonte Smith, A. J. Brown, Dallas Goddard. Goetta have
to have some one on one matchups and that's one
Kansas that he has to win. I would put Zach
Baughn at nine. The guy's unbelievable. He was a special
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teams player. He's tremendous in coverage. I think he's one
of the surprise players of the year in pass coverage
this year. This is such a great stat He's allowed
a sixty nine passer rating. That's about as good as
a linebacker can do. And number ten, Jalen Hurts. Again,
when you put pressure on Jalen Hurts, he regresses significantly.
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But here's the thing. It's hard to get pressure on
Jalen Hurts because of the old line in the run game.
So there you have my top ten. I think it
comes out to four Chiefs and six Philadelphia Eagles, Dallas Goddard.
I mean, there's a lot of people I'm leaving out
unbelievable corners for Philadelphia Mitchell. I mean, again, there's sixteen
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guys here who should make the list. But a couple
of years ago, I did this with San Francisco and
Kansas City, and I got the same dilemma. There's Hall
of famers that may not make the list. Travis Kelsey
could be the MVP of the game, or we could
have two.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
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Speaker 1 (27:29):
Drew Brees twenty years in the NFL, fifteen years here.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
In New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
That is interesting. You have an encyclopedic memory and knowledge
of this stuff. But go back to your Super Bowl week.
You obviously you have extra time, you have Sean Payton,
you put stuff in? Did you take stuff out? Or
did you go into your Super Bowl Drew with just
more plays than you'd never had in your life.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
No, I don't remember the volume being an issue of
that week because you know, quite honestly, the Colts, the
Colts defense, which what wasn't that complicated?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
You know?
Speaker 6 (28:08):
That was that was back in at the time when
they were very much like Tampa two. And we're just
going to allow our pass rushers Dwight Freeney and Robert
Mathis to get after you, right and man, we've got
we've got good players in the secondary that are just
going to keep it in front of them, and we're
just going to kind of manage the game because we
know we have a high scoring offense, you know, on
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the other side.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
So I don't remember the volume being.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
An issue necessarily as far as the volume of plays
in the game plan. It was more so I think
for us, like our success we knew was number one,
we need to steal a possession in this game, right,
which we did at the start of the of the
second half, right with that on side kick that we
called ambush. But it was it was really more so
like how do we create a rhythm, you know with
our offense against these guys, and and a level of
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patience because look, we were a big play offense too.
We were used to you know, kind of those you know,
big play shots down the field, and I think we
just recognize, hey, these guys don't really give that to us.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
So we're gonna have to run the ball effectively. We're
gonna hit him with the.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
Screen game to try to slow down the pass rush,
and then we're just gonna be methodical with the passing game,
which we were super efficient to pass the game. And oh,
by the way, what that does is it also chews
up the clock, and it keeps one of the best
players in the world off the field on the other
side in Peyton Manning. So quite honestly, like I see
that very much like what Philadelphia's game plan should be
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against the Chiefs this week, which is run the ball,
possess the ball, chew up the clock, wear down that defense,
and keep the best player in the world Patrick Holmes
off the field on the other side.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
You know, it's interesting because I would think a guy
like you and you mentioned Peyton Manning, both of you
very cerebral. I would think short weeks would drive you
crazy and you would love an extra day or a
buy or Super Bowl because you could just fill your
brain with more information. So to you, extra time, like
to you, was it a kid in the candy store.
(30:02):
It's like, hey, I got more time to like exercise efficiency.
How did you limit it?
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Well, sometimes too much time results in over analysis, right, right,
and then it's and then it's paralysis by over analysis, right. So, Like, honestly,
I felt like we had a great plan, which was
a two weeks prior to the Super Bowl. So the
first week, honestly was a lot of just good on
good competition with our team, Like we really didn't get
(30:33):
into a lot of the game planning for the Indianapolis Colts.
Yes we were watching film, and yes we were starting
to have an idea of you know how we were
going to attack them, But we did not install our
game plan against the Colts in the week prior to
the Super Bowl. We waited until we actually got to Miami,
which is where we played it. And we because we
(30:54):
wanted to, uh, we wanted to have as normal a
work week as possible, right, Like that's the that's the
toughest think about the Super Bowls? How do you make
the Super Bowl a normal work week? You're in a
foreign place, practicing in a different facility that you have
to bust to. You're in a hotel where there's all
kinds of chaos going on, Like how do you order
the chaos?
Speaker 3 (31:11):
How do you create some normalcy in a routine?
Speaker 6 (31:14):
And so we did like good on good competitive.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Man weight room.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
That was like our first week, right, and then the
minute we arrived in Miami, it was like, all right,
here we go.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Flip the switch game plan.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Wednesday's space, Thursday's third down, Friday's red zone, shortyardage goal line, Saturday,
Hay's in the barn Man quick walk through jog through bot.
We got it in our mind. Let's go win a
football game.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
You know, it's interesting. Brady and Hasselbeck both talked about
this on the show, and this is what has always
been fascinating is that you guys watch so much film,
and Hasselbeck talked about homegrun adding something. Late in the week,
Brady came on and said, we added we placed that
Seahawk team that had no weaknesses. We came up with
three new plays the night before just because he goes,
(31:58):
I didn't trust our red zone package. Did Sean with you,
Drew say, listen, I found something on tape or did
you say, you know, Sean, we got to clean something up.
Anything Saturday night happen.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah, it would from time to time.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
And a lot of that was just you know, Sean
and my routine of I would always go back on
Saturday morning, which was again our are just kind of
walk through day, you know, walk through the game plan,
the first fifteen plays of the game, you know, kind
of hit some red zone.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Third down thoughts.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
I would watch a couple games on Saturday morning more
so just to kind of go back and just like
feel the flow and the rhythm of a game and
maybe how some other teams that attacked them. And again
it was just it was very relaxed, but it was
and in that moment you would just kind of be
looking at it through a different lens at that point,
(32:52):
because you were kind of, you know, past what you
thought was the game planning thing.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
But all of a sudden you would see something like just.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
A little like oh wow, I feel like, you know,
this may be a good opportunity or off of this look,
maybe a great opportunity to run a little stutter and
go on that corner, or a double move on this
linebacker with the running back, or you know, just something.
And at that point though, it had to be like
a game changing thing, like we didn't need another play
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that was gonna get us a five to ten yard completion.
We wanted to play that was like, oh no, this
is a shot opportunity. This is a big play opportunity,
a game winner opportunity.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
So yeah, we had a couple of those.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
In fact, we're playing Monday night football against the Miami
Dolphins twenty thirteen. Night before the game, we had this
little h choice with Darren sprolls where he's.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Just gonna kind of run up five yards. He's got
a three way go.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
But I'm like, man, this backer is just so aggressive,
like on film time after time, and he's gonna see
that and he's just gonna be sitting all over and
it's like, hey, Sean, what if we just double move
this guy like right off the bat, you know, and
just like set the tone early. Sure enough, second play
of the game, we run this. We put it in
literally the night before, and man, it works like a
charm forty r completion And that's when you're kind of
(34:03):
that's when you're kind of looking at the sideline light.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yeah, we got it. You know.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I read a survey it must have been fifteen years ago,
and they were talking about the most unique cities in
the country, and New Orleans was number one. They said,
the vibe, the food, the people. To be the Saints
quarterback here for fifteen years, it's not like being a
quarterback nothing against Seattle or Baltimore. But I mean, what
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is it like? This is such a simple question, but
in one of the most unique American cities, what is
it like? What do you remember about being the Saints quarterback?
For fifteen years. What sticks to you.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
Well, I think the thing that sticks out most to
me is that the community of New Orleans they were
more fans of New Orleans than they even were, or
they were first fans of New Orleans than they were
fans of the Saints. Like in other words, when you
walked around town, it wasn't like ghost Saints or thanks
(35:08):
for what you do for the team.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
It was like, man, thanks for loving this city. So
it just it just gave you this.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
Feeling that, man, we were all in this whole effort together,
and like people appreciate the fact that my wife Brittany
and I lived right in the heart of the city,
like righting uptown New Orleans, and that we'd be walking
the dog in the park just like everybody else, but
we'd be you know, having gumbo down at you know,
the local spot. You're just like everybody else, right, Like,
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there was just this feeling of man, they're just they're
just like us, you know, and they want to be
just like us, and they're just part of this community
and part of this society, and like that was what
was so unique about about this place.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Finally, where do I get one of those sweet Crown
Royal jackets you're wearing. Can you get me one of those?
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Droop? You know what. I'm glad you asked, Colin. Really, buddy,
I got one here. I got one here right man.
Look at this sat a satin starter jacket.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
We got NFL Crown Royal and this is incredible partnership
with Crown Royal. They've been a huge benefactor to our foundation,
helping us with all of our efforts here in New Orleans,
something to build affordable housing, job skills training, build healthcare
facilities around around the state. And they're doing a ton
of things here during Super Bowl Week, donating a lot
of money to the Foundation for Louisiana. They've got a
(36:30):
pop up down in the quarter selling the jackets, all
the proceeds going the Foundation. They got the Crown Royal
rig in town that people can go check out and
pack backs for military to be able to send overseas.
So Crown roy is doing a ton of great stuff.
They've been what four years, the official whiskey of the NFL.
So really appreciate their support of the Foundation, support of
New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
And I really appreciate that jacket, Buddy, I really, you know,
one for the top.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
It's a sharp it's a sharp jacket. It's got the
Super Bowl fifty nine logo on the back.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
So even have you looking clean?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
All right?
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Drew?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Great sine as always, man, I really appreciate your insight
this year, Bud.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yeah yeah, love this year. Spend time with you. Thanks
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