February 7, 2025 • 42 mins
Thoughts on Josh Allen winning the MVP over Lamar Jackson
How LeBron James has been playing since the Lakers traded for Luka Doncic
Colin talks about the NFL considering banning the "Tush Push"
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we are. It is super full week Friday from
the Crescent City, New Orleans, Louisiana. We are live as
we were yesterday, as we are ready for Philadelphia and
Kansas City, which I think is going to be an
old China and at the Super Bowl. Michael Luvin will
(00:50):
join us today among others. Jmak Here we are on
the Friday before and so you know, we have a
couple of weeks to talk about this game. This is
our this is our last premble before it gets underway.
I think most people think Philadelphia's got the best team roster,
Kansas City's got the legendary quarterback and coach. But I
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do want to start my show talking about a player
that can't beat Kansas City, at least when it matters
Josh Allen. So Josh Allen won the MVP last night,
even though Lamar Jackson beat him head to head in
the regular season, Lamar out played him on that game.
Lamar had better stats, Lamar had a better passer rating,
and Josh Allen won. And I have absolutely no problem
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with it because I don't think twenty years from now
will be saying, man, do you remember the year they
gifted Josh Allen the MVP. Listen, There's two reasons why
I would have given it to Josh Allen narrowly. Number
one is when Derrick Henry arrived in Baltimore, defenses playing
the Ravens had to make choices and concessions, and many
times it felt like the key to that team was
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not Lamar Jackson, it was Derreck Henry, and defensive coordinators
had to make choices with the number two rushing running
back in the NFL. In most years, Derreck Henry would
have led the NFL in rushing if not for Sakeuon
Barkley's all time year. As much as Josh Allen got
support from James Cook, he was the sixteenth leading rusher
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in the league receiving corps. They lost upon Diggs, yet
he won ten of his last twelve one pick after December. First,
I think and again, when you play the Bills, there
is one and one mission only and that is to
stop Josh Allen. When you played the Ravens this year,
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some teams made the choice to concentrate on Derrick Henry.
That of course opened things up a bit for Lamar Jackson.
And the second thing is not all MVPs look the same.
And we all know that awards are subjective. I mean,
Aaron Rodgers has four of these puppies, Tom Brady's got three.
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There was a year that joeb To Philadelphia was gifted
an MVP over Jokic because people felt Jokic had won
two he shouldn't win three straight before the Nuggets even
have a title. They did later that year, and Westbrook
got an MVP because it was a good story. He
had a bunch of triple doubles. That doesn't mean you
win a lot of games, but it does mean something.
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And KD had dumped him and it felt like, man,
this poor guy's he's stranded on the OKC island. So
they gave him one. And I think we get to
a point seven years of Josh Allen. Since he entered
the league, this has mostly been the powerhouse offense, and
he has been so great for so long. It was time.
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I think back to one of my favorite movies of
all time, as Goodfellas. Martin Scorsese was the director. He
did not win an Oscar for it. I think it's
his best piece of art, his best piece of work.
He didn't get it, and he'd been doing great movies forever,
and so he came out with The Departed, very good movie.
I don't think it's an all timer. I like it
top thirty. Goodfella's Top three, and they gave him the
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Oscar for it. It was just too good for too
long and if you really boil it down, and I
know you don't want awards to be like that. And
Lamar's got better stats. They all look different, they come
in different shapes and sizes. Sometimes it's the story plus
the stats, but if you look at some numbers, he's
the first player ever five straight seasons of forty plus touchdowns,
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and it's just recently that he actually got a really
elite weapon, James Cook. That's their elite weapon. And for
the record, he was sixteenth in the NFL in rushing.
So in seven years, he's got the most wins, he's
got the most total touchdowns, he's got the most total
yards through any NFL player, including Patrick Mahomes first seven years,
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it was just time time for Josh Allen to win
the MVP, his first, and here he was.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I know this is as an individual award, and it
says most Valuable Player on it, but I think it's
derived from team success and I love my team beat off.
Thank you for presenting. I really appreciate it. We got
such a great locker room in Buffalo, and it takes
everybody from the equipment staff to the training room, to
the strength staff, to Slick Rick in the mail room,
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to the cafeteria upstairs. Like it truly takes everybody to
half team success. And I'm so fortunate to be a
part of a great organization.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Nobody is gonna feel twenty thirty years from now. This
was gifted like Scorsese's time. So I know it's Super
Bowl week, but the NBA does have its trade deadline
during Super Bowl Week. I don't think it's the best
time to have it. I would have it next week.
I'd move it, just like the NFL has moved free
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agency teams all the time, alter their calendar. If I
was the NBA and wanted more publicity, I'd do it
next week. But this week there have been big trades
and nobody's benefited more than Lebron James. Last night he
had forty two points, to the most points ever for
an old guy at forty in the NBA. I don't
know what it is I think I do, but he
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is forty and Lebron, like Bill Belichick, has a new
relationship and let's just say he's got to bounce in
his step. He is three and oho since the Luca trade,
and I think we forget this about the greats. When
you're great, things can come easier.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I'm not insinuating it's not hard work, But for a
Mahomes and an MJ and a Lebron and a Messy,
there's boredom, there's monotony, there's tedium. Lebron's played in over
fifteen hundred regular season games. Lebron has played three and
a half seasons of just playoff games. This season, even
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with ad and Austin Reeves and JJ Reddick kind of
honestly felt like a train to nowhere. They weren't athletic enough,
they weren't dynamic enough. Anthony Davis didn't really want to
play the five, he'd rather play the four. Dalton connects
fun but can't defend. They didn't have enough shooters, they
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didn't have enough defenders. And then Luca and Mark Williams happened.
And the Lakers are younger, they're born dynamic, and they
feel like they could win an NBA championship. All still
favor Boston, but I think they match up pretty well
with OKC. And I think Lebron's ride into the sunset
in the last three to four days has taken a
sharp u turn, and I think he's more engaged. He's
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always been committed, he's more inspired, And I think when
you're an all time great, there's this work ethic to
become legendary and iconic. But I mean, when Michael Jordan's
planned the you know, the new Raptors who just got
a new franchise, you think he's as inspired as he
is playing the Celtics or the Piss The answer is no.
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And I felt like Lebron, not that he was coasting,
not that he's not committed, but it shows you when
inspired what Lebron looks like, and you know, it's I
think a lot of times for Lebron and Brady was
like this too. But in football you get one game
a week. In basketball, you're in a road trip to Memphis,
you go to Orlando. On the way back, we face Houston.
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They just all mushed together. But Lebron is playing. I mean,
this is the best basketball Lebron has played in the
last couple of weeks. It's year twenty two, it feels
like year twelve. He's not going to do it back
to back. He's not going to be as good defensively,
he's not going to chase you down and block those
shots off the backboard like he did in the first
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six years in the league. But dude, last night he
was not only inspired. That was the best steph has
played all year. He's averaging twenty eight and nine and
shooting the lights out in January and fed and the
last three games cap by last night have been absolutely special.
And here was Lebron.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
After joining m J as the only two guys at
forty plus club.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
You know, the biggest thing is that we got to winning, obviously,
you know, but like throughout my journey. Anytime I've been
named or in the category or whatever the case, cross
paths with any of the grace is always humbling just
to know where I come from.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
And I love game so much, so it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Again, Like belichick new relationship got a little bounce. One
guy's wearing the red jacket, one guy Laker gold. But
it's different. It feels absolutely different. And Jamack knows that
I appreciated Luca's talent, but I was always a little
bit of a pushback on the conditioning in the defense,
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which Dallas eventually was as well. But I will say
it again, this idea, it's almost like Lebron is showing
off for Luca. He's like, hey, bro, uh, you can
say you're the best player, and you may be the
best player, but this is what I can do. This
is Lebron. It's Lakers Extreme Makeover edition. That's what it
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feels like. And I do think even with ad there
was a little bit of a train to nowhere feel
this year, and you have to admit it does feel different.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
By the way, Belichick wore all of his eight Super
Bowl rings, or however many's at wore them last night
when he was with his lady friend. Maybe Lebron needs
to flex those trophies that he's got well for Luca
remind him.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
But it does feel like last night's a little bit
of a flex, a little bit of a flex. Michael
Irvin's joining us. Diana Russini as well. I've got my
Super Bowl pick top and next hour feels strongly about it.
J Max got his as well.
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App Welcome Back to New Orleans, home of the Saints,
among other things from the NF. Speaking of the NFC,
there is a team in the NFC that has a
play called the Tush Push. It's highly effective, boring. They've
been rewarded by it, but according to Mike Pereira, he
thinks the NFL and the Competition Committee may get rid
(11:15):
of it.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
People in Philadelphia don't want to hear that. But after
that Washington Commander's Philadelphia Eagles moment in the Super Bowl
where at one point they considered, because the Commanders were
jumping off sides, they were going to just award a
team of touchdown, which I didn't know was a rule
until Mike Perera on the air said it was a rule.
So here's the way I look at it. The NFL,
to its core, is always understood it's a television show.
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Baseball sometimes has to be reminded of it. The NBA similarly,
not the NFL. They changed rules for catches in that
Eagles Patriot super Bowl, and they don't like automatic plays.
They changed the kickoff this year. People thought it looked weird.
We got over it. They changed the PA te people
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thought it was odd. We got used to it. In
the end, especially if it's aesthetically boring. This is a
television show, they're gonna get rid of it. Listen, if
the tush push was great TV, then rugby in America
would be much more popular, because that's what it is.
And I hear this, Colin, You have got to give
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Philadelphia credit. They invented it. Now, they didn't invent it,
they perfected it. So what even the IRS gets rid
of loopholes that have been used for thirty forty and
fifty years. At some point, if something feels like a
cheat code, IRS swoops in. The NBA did it with
hack Ashack I can remember covering a Laker series against
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the Portland Trailblazers and they employed the hack Ashack series.
It so bothered the Lakers and their fans that Mike Dunlavey,
the coach of Portland, had to have security around it.
People were enraged by it, but it was the right
thing to do. Baseball did it. The defensive shift a
bit of a cheat code. A lot of guys like
Bryce Harper lining out instead of getting on base. Baseball said, yeah,
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it works, but it makes our game more boring. We
want Bryce Harper on second base, not in the dugout.
That's why they did it. Networks came to him and said,
you know what, your game's getting slow. The Stars aren't
on base. Change it. They did legal for a long time,
so was Hackashack. And in the end, Philadelphia has been
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rewarded by it, and there's one with it and has
been to a couple of Super Bowls with it. They
didn't stop it immediately, they didn't put their foot down.
They allowed them to use it for years. But it's
become very automatic and automatic and bad TV and NFL
fans watch on television, not in the stands, and for
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industries that don't adjust, like taxis, newspapers and the Democratic
Party recently, you get into trouble, right, you got to adjust.
Mark Murphy, smart guy where the Green Bay Packers says
he doesn't like it because there's really no skill involved.
And that's where I think it does feel a little
bit like the Pat. Like the Pat, now you get
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to December and January and it's a little windy. The
better kickers, Harrison Bucker's fine, a lot of average kickers
are not. There is skill in kicking. There wasn't a
ton of skill in a professional football kicker. With the
old Pat. It was kind of a three foot putt
for Tiger Woods. Like it just isn't challenging Pat. Now,
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bad weather on late October early November is challenging even
for good kickers. So I like it. And remember, the
NBA is seriously considering something right now that people really
like within reason, the three point shot. The NBA is
considering Adam Silver. They're considering implementing new limitations and rules
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on something now that dominates the game. That would be
like saying in the NFL we got too much passing,
We've got a curb passing, and I agree with the NBA.
There's too many repetitive, monotonous cookie cutter, too many threes.
But this is bad TV. So was the defensive shift,
so was the hack of Shack. I have no problem
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with the lead allowing maybe two of them a game
max to a game three pointers fifteen a game eighteen
a game max to TV product above everything.
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We were sitting around throwing ideas around this morning, and
I've been watching the NBA since the early seventies. I've
said this before. I remember the Lakers when they had
number three Elmore Smith at center. How's that for all
time Laker trivia. I watched them in the early seventies.
I remember the Jerry West, Gail Goodrich, Wilt wearing a headband.
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It's one of the first memories. I grew up on
seventies NBA and Wilt was a great player, but I
never felt Wilt changed the NBA. I think there's only
been in my lifetime Moses Malone was a great player.
George Gervin was a great player. Kevin Durant's a great player.
I don't think they changed the NBA. I think there's
been seven, six or seven guys that have changed the league.
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Kareem Abdil Jabbar, Magic and Bird Shaq Lebron Steph Curry
feels like it. I thought, as great as Kobe was,
he was MJ light, I didn't think he changed the league.
And I was thinking about that in football. What the
Chiefs have become now. It's weird in football. If you
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talk about who's changed the league, it is always, in
my opinion, it always feels like a quarterback with a
certain coach. I thought Bradshaw and Chuck Knowle changed the league.
Bradshaw super talented quarterback and a defensive minded conservative coach.
I thought Bill Walsh and Joe Montana changed the league.
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The West Coast offense. I think you could say you
could argue the way Jimmy Johnson aggressively made trades like
nobody done before that. Jimmy Johnson and eight when the
Cowboy team changed the league. I think Belichick and Brady did.
I think Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes are changing the league.
And again, just think how remarkably well built and gifted
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Buffalo and Baltimore are, and it's shrinking their careers. They've
been marginalized. They don't feel special, though we know in
any other era they may be the ones holding the trophies.
So if you go back to that twenty twenty one
Kansas City lost to Joe Burrow at Arrowhead. Since that time,
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Kansas City essentially wins every big game they played, and
they win many the same way, really close, and it
feels like they've been on a little bit of a
Tom Hanks run. I'm sure you guys all remember this.
Tom Hanks had like a ten year run and it
started with like Sleepless in Seattle. It was a league
of their own Philadelphia Forrest Gump. He went on a
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ten year run that ended with about catch me if
you can. There were no misses like they network, just
no missus every year. I mean, you almost felt guilty
if you're voting for the Oscars. It's like, we've given
Tom enough. And that's where I think Kansas City is
and the NFL. And you can really tell because the
NFL fans are so tribal and so passionate. Basically, if
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you can't beat him, blame the league. That was a
real Shaq Kobe thing. That was a Warrior's Michael Jordan thing. Wow,
the league's changing rules. It's the league. That's when you
know you're in a different place. And I, by the way,
I felt Steven Spielberg's a little bit like this Et
Jaws Indiana Jones. And then the breadth of his work
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expands with Shindler's list. And Nick Wright and I were
talking about this yesterday, is that it's one thing for Mahomes,
Tyreek Hill and he's playing a little bit of Big
twelve football with Andy Reid. They're scoring a lot of points.
It's twenty four point quarters. That's not what Mahomes is now.
And Nick Wright talked about the growth and the breadth
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of what Mahomes now creates.
Speaker 10 (20:16):
What is remarkable about Patrick singularly is his ability, this
early in his career to identify the exact type of
quarterback that team needs that season or that game and
be that quarterback. When he got there, it was, well,
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we have the twenty ninth defense in football, so it
better be bombs away at all times. They trade Tyreek
Hill and It's like, Okay, we still have Prime Kelsey,
we have good weapons, but we can't stretch the field.
I'm gonna dink and dunk my way to the most
yards any players ever had in the season. Broke Drew Brees'
record that year, win the MVP. Last couple of years.
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Our wide receiver corps last year was not good. This
year banged up. We're gonna have to be a possession
based offense, lean on the defense.
Speaker 9 (21:09):
He can do that.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I'd never it was not.
Speaker 9 (21:12):
The only other.
Speaker 10 (21:13):
Quarterback who I saw could do that was late stage
Tom Tom in that fourteen to eighteen run. And then
well I guess further than that, you know, with Tampa,
whatever version that team needed, he could be. But Tom
was thirty five years old when that started. Patrick's twenty
nine and already doing it.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, there's no question his self awareness and his ability
to play different ways. Never quite seen anything like it.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
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Speaker 1 (22:55):
I like Kansas City, and here's why Chris iv one
cheeze versus Egos. They are twelve and oher in games
decided by one score this year. I think it's a
one score football game. They are very good in close games,
not a lot of blowouts. I don't foresee a blowout.
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I think that helps. They've won thirty seven straight games
when winning the turnover battle. But by the way, even
when other teams don't turn it over, they're seven to zero,
so they've beaten perfect teams. They have twelve comebacks this season.
I think it's reasonable to assume both teams could trail
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their offense one turnover in nine games. I also think
Andy Reid off a bye in my lifetime, is the
best coach in league history, and this constitutes a bye Philadelphia. Meanwhile,
not as many close games. They haven't trailed much as
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a pure pocket pass in his career. When trailing with
four minutes or less, Jalen Hurts completion percentage is under
fifty percent. I think it's going to be a clean game.
I think it's going to be a close game. I
think it's gonna be a high scoring game. This is
an empty the bag coaching and player game. You let
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everything go. And I have seen too many close games
with Andy Reid and Mahomes leading or trailing. And the
one thing Mahomes does that only Tom Brady truly duplicated, duplicated,
maybe a little John Elway. I can never tell what
the score is. Pressure is not a burden, and I
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do feel like coach quarterback, I've got a clear edge.
I like Kansas City thirty Philadelphia twenty seven, Super Bowl
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buy a field goal in a highest scoring game. Michael
Urban three super Bowls in the Hall of Famer, joining us.
So you went to three Super Bowls in four years.
Did you find it because you've always been not only
a playmaker on the field, but good time Michael off
the field, right, did you find when you were in
the middle of that dynasty it was a little harder
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to focus on that third super Bowl in the fourth year.
Speaker 11 (25:31):
You know what, that's a great question, but I did
not find it difficult. You know, we had a group
after going to those early years Colin, where we were
three and thirteen, one in fifteen. In a few short
years later now we're in Super Bowl. Or we never
got tired of those. We remember getting our butts kicked
all the time, you know, and having those team only meetings,
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and there's.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Still coming out after that meeting getting your butt kick.
Speaker 11 (25:58):
So when you turned it around, No, we never got
tired of it.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
It was always a great thing.
Speaker 11 (26:04):
To this day, if I'm with Troy and we're out,
we still talk talk about, man, we should have one
five man, we should have won four or five in
a row, you know, so you still look back and
think on that.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
So it blows my mind. And no, we didn't not
get tired.
Speaker 11 (26:18):
Let me take these days off because I don't want
everybody to think I was on Bourbon Street.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
I ain't gonna say I wasn't on Bourbon Street.
Speaker 11 (26:25):
But but you know what I mean, let me give
you the real so you know, okay, you know what
I'm saying, Colin, y'all know, go ahead on listen.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
There's a lot of cities to go to bed early,
and we're not in one.
Speaker 11 (26:37):
Of I'm not in one of them. And you gotta
know how super Bowl every day. I ain't doing that
again to night.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
And you do exactly what you said.
Speaker 11 (26:45):
You're not doing because you're running to everybody that you've known,
all the people that we're in business with it. You know,
it's just such a great time.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
So two weeks to prepare. Take me through Jimmy Johnson's prep.
You don't want to bore the players. You want to add,
you want to layer the preparation. Did you find Jimmy
changed a little bit in these two week off spaces.
Speaker 11 (27:10):
No, No, Jimmy was Jimmy had a real good understanding
of the men he was leading.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Jimmy and I love him to this day, and I
mention it.
Speaker 11 (27:21):
People think a lot of things, but Jimmy understood we
were boys, and he said, you know, we're going to
get great work in this first week, great work, and
then we're going to go out to the Super Bowl
Sunday and no eyes or no primary girlfriends, none of
them comes with us on Sunday, Sunday, Monday. I don't
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want to see any of them Tuesday, Wednesday, they can
come on in. He would tell us, I want you
guys to go have a little fun Sunday night. Have
a little fun you get, get it out, get it
out of your way, so we can focus on football.
I thought that was brilliant because now you don't go
the whole week thinking about what's going on out here.
You add you a Sunday and Monday night. Now you
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can focus in. I'm talking about by the time Wednesday
came around, we had to I swear you. We used
to have practices or Super Bowl. They were the best
practices I've ever seen. Not a ball hit the ground,
and we were ready to play football.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
It was smart.
Speaker 11 (28:19):
Give them time to go, get all that stuff out,
and then focus back in.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
So during the Akman Irvin Emmett days, all your games
felt big. You were a big TV product. Super Bowls
are different. And Michael, your your college games that that
you were big, but are super Bowls? Even I don't
I don't look at you as a guy that would.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Get nervous, none like it.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
But in a Super Bowl, did you ever look up
at all the pictures and even you a little bit
thinking I need to get hit, I need to run.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
A route.
Speaker 11 (28:47):
Happening, And they're guys here right you can tell them
until their ears fall off.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
You gotta be ready you're going to.
Speaker 11 (28:55):
Be calm yourself at the beginning of the game, You're
going to high perventilate.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
I'm never been so tired as I was.
Speaker 9 (29:02):
Wanda U.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
It's Super Bowls.
Speaker 11 (29:03):
I'm like, why am I this tired? I started thinking,
did I do too much earlier on in the week?
You know, But it's just your hyperventilating. You gotta think
about it. This is the moment you played in your
front yard talking about this. Oh your damn life, and
it's about to happen. Emmon and I walked on the
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field together in Pasadena and all week because we were
playing Buffalo and they had played in Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
You know, everybody's talking about experience. We said, it's a game.
It's a game. I run a slant route.
Speaker 11 (29:36):
I don't care if it's on a football field, Super
Bowl or in your front damn yard. I'm gonna catch
that slant route. I'm just talking all kind of noise.
When I got to that game and then I walked
on that field, our knees bucked.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
I said, oh my god. Right. I looked at him,
he said, I said, hey, man, did you feel that?
He said yeah.
Speaker 11 (29:53):
I said, don't say anything because if they know we scared,
they definitely gonna be scared.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Anxiety, but you you're going to have it.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
It's impossible not to have.
Speaker 11 (30:03):
And I'm telling you everybody's going to have it, even
if you've been here before.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah. I can remember one of Brady's first Super Bowls Belichick.
There's an old piece of video where Belichick's like, hey,
settle down, Tom, right right right, right right right?
Speaker 4 (30:18):
You know it is you know what I love about Tom?
Speaker 11 (30:20):
Though.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
I was with the one in New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
One here, yeah, oh.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
New one said it was it.
Speaker 11 (30:25):
I think Green Bay somebody beat a Bill Parcells, one
of the team it beat him here. I remember Tom
came over to me right after that and I was
standing next I did the game. He came he said, hey, man,
right after the game there just won. He said, what
do I need to do to get back here? How
do I win more? How do I do it? And
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I thought that was incredible. You know Patrick Mahomes last year,
right after he won two, he said, I gotta get
back here and win three in a row. That's what
it takes. It's gotta be a mono manaio coatt to
at it. Even one win is not enough, I won't
the next win in the next one.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So it's I always think one of the reasons I
had Philadelphia winning their division, but they were really noisy,
Nick Sirianni's noisy. But I do think there's an advantage
because Jalen Hurts and Saquon are not, so they are
two stars, kind of really reserved guys. I always thought
the Cowboys worked because Jimmy and Troy let you guys
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be yourself. Were there times in the game or in
moments during your because your team was always so big,
there was a little bit of noise. Did I could
see Jalen Hurts have to go to a j Browner?
Did Troy ever have to lean on you and say, hey, playmaker?
Did you ever go or did you have to be
chaperone at all?
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Well? No, the funny party is the funny party here. See.
Speaker 11 (31:48):
See Troy was Troy was the straight guy. He was
so focused and you know, so mature, and he was
great about But I knew, I knew I couldn't get
debate unless me and Roy was right. He's getting the
pat Ball verse, he gotta throw it to me, so
you had to be right right. Me and him was
always right, he and I was always right now. I
would get hit it with defensive linemen right like a
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Charles Man or somebody I'm yelling at, or Rich White
in my office a line, Michael, stop making him mad.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
You're not blocking him. You shut up right now.
Speaker 11 (32:22):
Troy never had a problem with me, but those offensive linemen,
they had a problem with me talking to the defensive
alignment since I wasn't going to block them.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
When you're when you're a player, so you you were
part of a dynasty, and Mahomes is part of a dynasty.
More pressure earlier late? Do you think can I mean,
when you when you first come to this thing, you
don't know what to expect. Now all of a sudden,
you're making a second trip, a third trip, a fourth trip.
Did it feel different for you in your last Super
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Bowl than your first?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
You know what? And I always tell people, there's nothing
like the first.
Speaker 11 (32:57):
There is nothing like the first, because it's that first
time that you realize that childhood dream of playing in
that front yard.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
But that second and third one as great.
Speaker 11 (33:07):
You gotta understand that that's everybody in your head, in
your mind.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Everybody in the world is focused on his game.
Speaker 11 (33:15):
That's never, that's never not a great situation for a
real guy, real player like me, or the guy like
Troy or guy like Patrick Mahomes, they look for that moment.
You were talking about something earlier. You were talking about
the pressure of playing in these kinds of games. And
as you were saying, and I was thinking, you got it.
The great ones have had an affair with pressure all
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of their careers. They sleep with it, eat with it,
live with it. It's what makes them take It's an
affair with press They're looking for pressure, so so they
look for these moments. The Tom Brady's, the Patrick Mahomes,
de Troy Amans. Those are the guys you love playing with.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
So in these big moments, I mean a lot of
the times that Mahomes has made a play in these
games that is off script when he was all banged up,
but he had a forty five year run. Do you
get in pressurized moments? And it doesn't even have to
be in a super Bowl? This game's tight, twenty eight
all fourth quarter, six minutes left. Are there moments that
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there's a look, there's a wink, there's a that it's
off script. Is every because you have so much time
to prep It's the last game of the year. You've
never been more prepared. Does that mean that we don't
see moments where you go to Troy in the sideline
like listen, I'm gonna change the route. Or was the
game too big to do that?
Speaker 11 (34:37):
No, no, no, no, we've done that because you play
the game like you played the game. We annasced in
a for our first NFC Championship game, Troy called this
played eight ninety six. He called it four times in
the game. Four times. Every time I run a bandate,
Alvin Harper ran a coral route. On the other side,
Jayno would take down the middle, that's the nine route.
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Every time he threw that ball, he threw it to
the curl route. Dude, game was on the line. We
were up by four. We needed this drive to put
him on He called it again. Oh, he said, it's
got right red. Right before he got the nine and
the six out, I ran the album and spot him
already gone. I'm changing the play right now. I ain't
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talking to newbody about this. The devil you throwing this
ball to me? Troy was like, what are you doing?
I said, wasn't the damn play I got it over here,
and you know he snapped the ball because I went
over there. That brought the double team to me. He
throws the back slant, he throws the backside eight route the.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Album and I'm like, I remember the play He's gone
with my pot on the fly.
Speaker 11 (35:43):
I was like, that would have gotten me. Oh my god,
you know, but I'm happy. I'm happy. And Troy we
talked about a lady. He said, had you not done that,
we still may not. We wouldn't have gotten that backside play.
It would have been a different play. So thank god
it worked out now a lot of times Charles Hayley,
because you know, Charles Haley was Charles Haley and leon Let.
Charles would tell leo Let, we're gonna we're gonna eight,
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We're gonna run a twist, the twist t twist.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
And me and let no, me and coach didn't call that.
Speaker 11 (36:11):
Charles said, you either run it, ormnna run up your ass, right,
you know, because they.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
And then yeah, yeah he ran it.
Speaker 11 (36:20):
If Charles get the sack, Coach said, great job calling
this calling that play. If Charles don't get the sack
and they make a nice play, they said, leon Let,
what the hell were you doing. They never went to Charles,
They only stayed Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Did Jimmy Johnson give like, what is a speech before
a Super Bowl? At halftime? You don't have to sell
the players on it. Do you remember the pregame speech?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Right?
Speaker 11 (36:45):
And Jimmy was great at this now? Jimmy was great
at this now our third super Bowl since so many
of us were still there, Jimmy right before the game
he said, I know a lot of you may be
full of these moments, may be satisfied of these moments,
but a lot of us have never had these moments.
And he made every man that hadn't had a ring
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stand up and we had to spend time look at
don't you think they deserve one? Two is not just
about the ones you have, it's about them too, and
we're going to get them one. I thought that was
something great because it really made you think about, wait
a minute, I got two rings, but these guys do not.
And these are my teammates, and we played extra hard
for that.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Do you think it's an advantage in a strange way
that Kansas City didn't bulldoze people they struggled with Houston.
Do you think it's an advantage. Having played fifteen close
games this.
Speaker 11 (37:41):
Year, it's an advantage if you come out on top
like they have come out on top, and most, if
not all of them, you know they're incredible in late
games because like anything else, it gives you confidence and
you're going to be back in these situations again. And
back to that relations and ship with pressure. All of
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Kansas City has that affair with pressure. They know about it,
eat and sleep with it because they know. Patrick Mahomes
is the guy that gets to pass, gets to get
the football first, and this guy we always trip an
old talent, shoulders down. I'm telling you what makes Patrick
Mahomes the great that he is is his gifts shoulders up.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
He knows how.
Speaker 11 (38:25):
To play, just to play each play and that makes
him great. He don't try to do more than he
needs to he needs. He understands the significance of one
play and every time he just beats you. So yeah,
that's a hell of a great opportunity and a hell
of a great advantage when you played that many tight games.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Do you lean either way in this game?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
This has been It's been a tough game for me.
Speaker 11 (38:51):
I don't think I've ever been had a game more
difficult to call than this game. You know, when you
look at the things that are on our because it's
not the skill. You got to try to pull in
all the things that make him have a deeper will.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
This is the third straight Super Bowl championship.
Speaker 11 (39:09):
Patrick Mahomes talked about it right after he won number
two the second straight, and I ran to Travis Kelce
at the basketball game in Dallas. That's all he asked
me about. So they've been living with this. This is
what they want, So that creates a great will. You
think Jalen Hurts, who have fought his way all the
way up to get respect as one of the top
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quarterbacks in the National Football wants the National Football League
wants to go n two in a Super Bowl lose
to the same guy again.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
So that's going to create a great will.
Speaker 11 (39:40):
This is going to be a clash of Titans, and
it's going to be a hard fogus. I heard you
talk about it being a highest score game. I think
it's going to I don't think it's going to get
up that thirty eight thirty five. I think we'll live
closer to that twenty two that Kansas City the average.
We may not even get to the twenty seven points
that Ladelphia average. Right now, this is going to be
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a defensive game, even though we're going to be looking
at the offense, because think about Philadelphia, don't give up
big plays.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
They're going to make.
Speaker 11 (40:10):
You Dean Kin dunk and Patrick Mahomes don't mind then
getting in Dunky ain't. On the other side, they're going
to hand the ball off. So we're going to have
a lot of time.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Could be a fast game, yeah, right, Like honestly, it'll
be a quick game, correct.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
But boy, I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 11 (40:26):
That defense for Philadelphia they running around and they're flying
around the ball. It's going to come down to them.
And I'm not talking about on the back end. I'm
talking about on the front end. You got to get
the Patrick Mahomes and bring him down.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
By the way, the Eagles, I think this is something.
They have two rookie corners. I don't know, but if
I'm Mahomes, I know you guys have been great all year.
I would go after a rookie corner in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 11 (40:51):
But remember now, the Eagles like to play that two
shell too, So they got two they got two corners,
and but they have safeties over the top up Now.
Last time I looked at the last game, what they
were doing. They were up on Travis Kelcey, but they
were giving him a free release. When you go back
and look at the game, ye'd a double team. But
you give him a free release. You can't give him
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a free release. I ran to Bobby Taylor the other
day and we were talking about that old Philadelphia defense
they used to put on me when they got Bobby Taylor.
Bobby was saying, my job was not to worry about
covering you, it was to beat you up on the
line of scrimmage. I got help in the coverage, and
it wore me down like a boxer because his job
was just a bunch punched me every play. That's what
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they gotta do in Travis Kelcey. They gotta wear his
butt down. You gotta touch him every snap when he's
coming off the football.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
The playmaker Hall of Famer Michael Irvin.
Speaker 11 (41:44):
Thanks buddy, man. It's always good to talk with you, Buddy.
I can't wait to get this to get to this game.
It's going to be a great one Sunday. I'm telling
you this might be one of the best Super Bowls,
not the highest scoring super Bowl, but I'm telling you
we're gonna have some fighters out here fighting eight
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we are. It is super full week Friday from
the Crescent City, New Orleans, Louisiana. We are live as
we were yesterday, as we are ready for Philadelphia and
Kansas City, which I think is going to be an
old China and at the Super Bowl. Michael Luvin will
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join us today among others. Jmak Here we are on
the Friday before and so you know, we have a
couple of weeks to talk about this game. This is
our this is our last premble before it gets underway.
I think most people think Philadelphia's got the best team roster,
Kansas City's got the legendary quarterback and coach. But I
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do want to start my show talking about a player
that can't beat Kansas City, at least when it matters
Josh Allen. So Josh Allen won the MVP last night,
even though Lamar Jackson beat him head to head in
the regular season, Lamar out played him on that game.
Lamar had better stats, Lamar had a better passer rating,
and Josh Allen won. And I have absolutely no problem
(01:34):
with it because I don't think twenty years from now
will be saying, man, do you remember the year they
gifted Josh Allen the MVP. Listen, There's two reasons why
I would have given it to Josh Allen narrowly. Number
one is when Derrick Henry arrived in Baltimore, defenses playing
the Ravens had to make choices and concessions, and many
times it felt like the key to that team was
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not Lamar Jackson, it was Derreck Henry, and defensive coordinators
had to make choices with the number two rushing running
back in the NFL. In most years, Derreck Henry would
have led the NFL in rushing if not for Sakeuon
Barkley's all time year. As much as Josh Allen got
support from James Cook, he was the sixteenth leading rusher
(02:16):
in the league receiving corps. They lost upon Diggs, yet
he won ten of his last twelve one pick after December. First,
I think and again, when you play the Bills, there
is one and one mission only and that is to
stop Josh Allen. When you played the Ravens this year,
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some teams made the choice to concentrate on Derrick Henry.
That of course opened things up a bit for Lamar Jackson.
And the second thing is not all MVPs look the same.
And we all know that awards are subjective. I mean,
Aaron Rodgers has four of these puppies, Tom Brady's got three.
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There was a year that joeb To Philadelphia was gifted
an MVP over Jokic because people felt Jokic had won
two he shouldn't win three straight before the Nuggets even
have a title. They did later that year, and Westbrook
got an MVP because it was a good story. He
had a bunch of triple doubles. That doesn't mean you
win a lot of games, but it does mean something.
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And KD had dumped him and it felt like, man,
this poor guy's he's stranded on the OKC island. So
they gave him one. And I think we get to
a point seven years of Josh Allen. Since he entered
the league, this has mostly been the powerhouse offense, and
he has been so great for so long. It was time.
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I think back to one of my favorite movies of
all time, as Goodfellas. Martin Scorsese was the director. He
did not win an Oscar for it. I think it's
his best piece of art, his best piece of work.
He didn't get it, and he'd been doing great movies forever,
and so he came out with The Departed, very good movie.
I don't think it's an all timer. I like it
top thirty. Goodfella's Top three, and they gave him the
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Oscar for it. It was just too good for too
long and if you really boil it down, and I
know you don't want awards to be like that. And
Lamar's got better stats. They all look different, they come
in different shapes and sizes. Sometimes it's the story plus
the stats, but if you look at some numbers, he's
the first player ever five straight seasons of forty plus touchdowns,
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and it's just recently that he actually got a really
elite weapon, James Cook. That's their elite weapon. And for
the record, he was sixteenth in the NFL in rushing.
So in seven years, he's got the most wins, he's
got the most total touchdowns, he's got the most total
yards through any NFL player, including Patrick Mahomes first seven years,
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it was just time time for Josh Allen to win
the MVP, his first, and here he was.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I know this is as an individual award, and it
says most Valuable Player on it, but I think it's
derived from team success and I love my team beat off.
Thank you for presenting. I really appreciate it. We got
such a great locker room in Buffalo, and it takes
everybody from the equipment staff to the training room, to
the strength staff, to Slick Rick in the mail room,
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to the cafeteria upstairs. Like it truly takes everybody to
half team success. And I'm so fortunate to be a
part of a great organization.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Nobody is gonna feel twenty thirty years from now. This
was gifted like Scorsese's time. So I know it's Super
Bowl week, but the NBA does have its trade deadline
during Super Bowl Week. I don't think it's the best
time to have it. I would have it next week.
I'd move it, just like the NFL has moved free
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agency teams all the time, alter their calendar. If I
was the NBA and wanted more publicity, I'd do it
next week. But this week there have been big trades
and nobody's benefited more than Lebron James. Last night he
had forty two points, to the most points ever for
an old guy at forty in the NBA. I don't
know what it is I think I do, but he
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is forty and Lebron, like Bill Belichick, has a new
relationship and let's just say he's got to bounce in
his step. He is three and oho since the Luca trade,
and I think we forget this about the greats. When
you're great, things can come easier.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I'm not insinuating it's not hard work, But for a
Mahomes and an MJ and a Lebron and a Messy,
there's boredom, there's monotony, there's tedium. Lebron's played in over
fifteen hundred regular season games. Lebron has played three and
a half seasons of just playoff games. This season, even
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with ad and Austin Reeves and JJ Reddick kind of
honestly felt like a train to nowhere. They weren't athletic enough,
they weren't dynamic enough. Anthony Davis didn't really want to
play the five, he'd rather play the four. Dalton connects
fun but can't defend. They didn't have enough shooters, they
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didn't have enough defenders. And then Luca and Mark Williams happened.
And the Lakers are younger, they're born dynamic, and they
feel like they could win an NBA championship. All still
favor Boston, but I think they match up pretty well
with OKC. And I think Lebron's ride into the sunset
in the last three to four days has taken a
sharp u turn, and I think he's more engaged. He's
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always been committed, he's more inspired, And I think when
you're an all time great, there's this work ethic to
become legendary and iconic. But I mean, when Michael Jordan's
planned the you know, the new Raptors who just got
a new franchise, you think he's as inspired as he
is playing the Celtics or the Piss The answer is no.
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And I felt like Lebron, not that he was coasting,
not that he's not committed, but it shows you when
inspired what Lebron looks like, and you know, it's I
think a lot of times for Lebron and Brady was
like this too. But in football you get one game
a week. In basketball, you're in a road trip to Memphis,
you go to Orlando. On the way back, we face Houston.
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They just all mushed together. But Lebron is playing. I mean,
this is the best basketball Lebron has played in the
last couple of weeks. It's year twenty two, it feels
like year twelve. He's not going to do it back
to back. He's not going to be as good defensively,
he's not going to chase you down and block those
shots off the backboard like he did in the first
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six years in the league. But dude, last night he
was not only inspired. That was the best steph has
played all year. He's averaging twenty eight and nine and
shooting the lights out in January and fed and the
last three games cap by last night have been absolutely special.
And here was Lebron.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
After joining m J as the only two guys at
forty plus club.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
You know, the biggest thing is that we got to winning, obviously,
you know, but like throughout my journey. Anytime I've been
named or in the category or whatever the case, cross
paths with any of the grace is always humbling just
to know where I come from.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
And I love game so much, so it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Again, Like belichick new relationship got a little bounce. One
guy's wearing the red jacket, one guy Laker gold. But
it's different. It feels absolutely different. And Jamack knows that
I appreciated Luca's talent, but I was always a little
bit of a pushback on the conditioning in the defense,
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which Dallas eventually was as well. But I will say
it again, this idea, it's almost like Lebron is showing
off for Luca. He's like, hey, bro, uh, you can
say you're the best player, and you may be the
best player, but this is what I can do. This
is Lebron. It's Lakers Extreme Makeover edition. That's what it
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feels like. And I do think even with ad there
was a little bit of a train to nowhere feel
this year, and you have to admit it does feel different.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
By the way, Belichick wore all of his eight Super
Bowl rings, or however many's at wore them last night
when he was with his lady friend. Maybe Lebron needs
to flex those trophies that he's got well for Luca
remind him.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
But it does feel like last night's a little bit
of a flex, a little bit of a flex. Michael
Irvin's joining us. Diana Russini as well. I've got my
Super Bowl pick top and next hour feels strongly about it.
J Max got his as well.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
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App Welcome Back to New Orleans, home of the Saints,
among other things from the NF. Speaking of the NFC,
there is a team in the NFC that has a
play called the Tush Push. It's highly effective, boring. They've
been rewarded by it, but according to Mike Pereira, he
thinks the NFL and the Competition Committee may get rid
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of it.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
People in Philadelphia don't want to hear that. But after
that Washington Commander's Philadelphia Eagles moment in the Super Bowl
where at one point they considered, because the Commanders were
jumping off sides, they were going to just award a
team of touchdown, which I didn't know was a rule
until Mike Perera on the air said it was a rule.
So here's the way I look at it. The NFL,
to its core, is always understood it's a television show.
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Baseball sometimes has to be reminded of it. The NBA similarly,
not the NFL. They changed rules for catches in that
Eagles Patriot super Bowl, and they don't like automatic plays.
They changed the kickoff this year. People thought it looked weird.
We got over it. They changed the PA te people
(12:01):
thought it was odd. We got used to it. In
the end, especially if it's aesthetically boring. This is a
television show, they're gonna get rid of it. Listen, if
the tush push was great TV, then rugby in America
would be much more popular, because that's what it is.
And I hear this, Colin, You have got to give
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Philadelphia credit. They invented it. Now, they didn't invent it,
they perfected it. So what even the IRS gets rid
of loopholes that have been used for thirty forty and
fifty years. At some point, if something feels like a
cheat code, IRS swoops in. The NBA did it with
hack Ashack I can remember covering a Laker series against
(12:45):
the Portland Trailblazers and they employed the hack Ashack series.
It so bothered the Lakers and their fans that Mike Dunlavey,
the coach of Portland, had to have security around it.
People were enraged by it, but it was the right
thing to do. Baseball did it. The defensive shift a
bit of a cheat code. A lot of guys like
Bryce Harper lining out instead of getting on base. Baseball said, yeah,
(13:07):
it works, but it makes our game more boring. We
want Bryce Harper on second base, not in the dugout.
That's why they did it. Networks came to him and said,
you know what, your game's getting slow. The Stars aren't
on base. Change it. They did legal for a long time,
so was Hackashack. And in the end, Philadelphia has been
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rewarded by it, and there's one with it and has
been to a couple of Super Bowls with it. They
didn't stop it immediately, they didn't put their foot down.
They allowed them to use it for years. But it's
become very automatic and automatic and bad TV and NFL
fans watch on television, not in the stands, and for
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industries that don't adjust, like taxis, newspapers and the Democratic
Party recently, you get into trouble, right, you got to adjust.
Mark Murphy, smart guy where the Green Bay Packers says
he doesn't like it because there's really no skill involved.
And that's where I think it does feel a little
bit like the Pat. Like the Pat, now you get
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to December and January and it's a little windy. The
better kickers, Harrison Bucker's fine, a lot of average kickers
are not. There is skill in kicking. There wasn't a
ton of skill in a professional football kicker. With the
old Pat. It was kind of a three foot putt
for Tiger Woods. Like it just isn't challenging Pat. Now,
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bad weather on late October early November is challenging even
for good kickers. So I like it. And remember, the
NBA is seriously considering something right now that people really
like within reason, the three point shot. The NBA is
considering Adam Silver. They're considering implementing new limitations and rules
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on something now that dominates the game. That would be
like saying in the NFL we got too much passing,
We've got a curb passing, and I agree with the NBA.
There's too many repetitive, monotonous cookie cutter, too many threes.
But this is bad TV. So was the defensive shift,
so was the hack of Shack. I have no problem
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with the lead allowing maybe two of them a game
max to a game three pointers fifteen a game eighteen
a game max to TV product above everything.
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We were sitting around throwing ideas around this morning, and
I've been watching the NBA since the early seventies. I've
said this before. I remember the Lakers when they had
number three Elmore Smith at center. How's that for all
time Laker trivia. I watched them in the early seventies.
I remember the Jerry West, Gail Goodrich, Wilt wearing a headband.
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It's one of the first memories. I grew up on
seventies NBA and Wilt was a great player, but I
never felt Wilt changed the NBA. I think there's only
been in my lifetime Moses Malone was a great player.
George Gervin was a great player. Kevin Durant's a great player.
I don't think they changed the NBA. I think there's
been seven, six or seven guys that have changed the league.
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Kareem Abdil Jabbar, Magic and Bird Shaq Lebron Steph Curry
feels like it. I thought, as great as Kobe was,
he was MJ light, I didn't think he changed the league.
And I was thinking about that in football. What the
Chiefs have become now. It's weird in football. If you
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talk about who's changed the league, it is always, in
my opinion, it always feels like a quarterback with a
certain coach. I thought Bradshaw and Chuck Knowle changed the league.
Bradshaw super talented quarterback and a defensive minded conservative coach.
I thought Bill Walsh and Joe Montana changed the league.
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The West Coast offense. I think you could say you
could argue the way Jimmy Johnson aggressively made trades like
nobody done before that. Jimmy Johnson and eight when the
Cowboy team changed the league. I think Belichick and Brady did.
I think Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes are changing the league.
And again, just think how remarkably well built and gifted
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Buffalo and Baltimore are, and it's shrinking their careers. They've
been marginalized. They don't feel special, though we know in
any other era they may be the ones holding the trophies.
So if you go back to that twenty twenty one
Kansas City lost to Joe Burrow at Arrowhead. Since that time,
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Kansas City essentially wins every big game they played, and
they win many the same way, really close, and it
feels like they've been on a little bit of a
Tom Hanks run. I'm sure you guys all remember this.
Tom Hanks had like a ten year run and it
started with like Sleepless in Seattle. It was a league
of their own Philadelphia Forrest Gump. He went on a
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ten year run that ended with about catch me if
you can. There were no misses like they network, just
no missus every year. I mean, you almost felt guilty
if you're voting for the Oscars. It's like, we've given
Tom enough. And that's where I think Kansas City is
and the NFL. And you can really tell because the
NFL fans are so tribal and so passionate. Basically, if
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you can't beat him, blame the league. That was a
real Shaq Kobe thing. That was a Warrior's Michael Jordan thing. Wow,
the league's changing rules. It's the league. That's when you
know you're in a different place. And I, by the way,
I felt Steven Spielberg's a little bit like this Et
Jaws Indiana Jones. And then the breadth of his work
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expands with Shindler's list. And Nick Wright and I were
talking about this yesterday, is that it's one thing for Mahomes,
Tyreek Hill and he's playing a little bit of Big
twelve football with Andy Reid. They're scoring a lot of points.
It's twenty four point quarters. That's not what Mahomes is now.
And Nick Wright talked about the growth and the breadth
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of what Mahomes now creates.
Speaker 10 (20:16):
What is remarkable about Patrick singularly is his ability, this
early in his career to identify the exact type of
quarterback that team needs that season or that game and
be that quarterback. When he got there, it was, well,
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we have the twenty ninth defense in football, so it
better be bombs away at all times. They trade Tyreek
Hill and It's like, Okay, we still have Prime Kelsey,
we have good weapons, but we can't stretch the field.
I'm gonna dink and dunk my way to the most
yards any players ever had in the season. Broke Drew Brees'
record that year, win the MVP. Last couple of years.
(21:01):
Our wide receiver corps last year was not good. This
year banged up. We're gonna have to be a possession
based offense, lean on the defense.
Speaker 9 (21:09):
He can do that.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I'd never it was not.
Speaker 9 (21:12):
The only other.
Speaker 10 (21:13):
Quarterback who I saw could do that was late stage
Tom Tom in that fourteen to eighteen run. And then
well I guess further than that, you know, with Tampa,
whatever version that team needed, he could be. But Tom
was thirty five years old when that started. Patrick's twenty
nine and already doing it.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, there's no question his self awareness and his ability
to play different ways. Never quite seen anything like it.
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Speaker 1 (22:55):
I like Kansas City, and here's why Chris iv one
cheeze versus Egos. They are twelve and oher in games
decided by one score this year. I think it's a
one score football game. They are very good in close games,
not a lot of blowouts. I don't foresee a blowout.
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I think that helps. They've won thirty seven straight games
when winning the turnover battle. But by the way, even
when other teams don't turn it over, they're seven to zero,
so they've beaten perfect teams. They have twelve comebacks this season.
I think it's reasonable to assume both teams could trail
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their offense one turnover in nine games. I also think
Andy Reid off a bye in my lifetime, is the
best coach in league history, and this constitutes a bye Philadelphia. Meanwhile,
not as many close games. They haven't trailed much as
(23:58):
a pure pocket pass in his career. When trailing with
four minutes or less, Jalen Hurts completion percentage is under
fifty percent. I think it's going to be a clean game.
I think it's going to be a close game. I
think it's gonna be a high scoring game. This is
an empty the bag coaching and player game. You let
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everything go. And I have seen too many close games
with Andy Reid and Mahomes leading or trailing. And the
one thing Mahomes does that only Tom Brady truly duplicated, duplicated,
maybe a little John Elway. I can never tell what
the score is. Pressure is not a burden, and I
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do feel like coach quarterback, I've got a clear edge.
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buy a field goal in a highest scoring game. Michael
Urban three super Bowls in the Hall of Famer, joining us.
So you went to three Super Bowls in four years.
Did you find it because you've always been not only
a playmaker on the field, but good time Michael off
the field, right, did you find when you were in
the middle of that dynasty it was a little harder
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to focus on that third super Bowl in the fourth year.
Speaker 11 (25:31):
You know what, that's a great question, but I did
not find it difficult. You know, we had a group
after going to those early years Colin, where we were
three and thirteen, one in fifteen. In a few short
years later now we're in Super Bowl. Or we never
got tired of those. We remember getting our butts kicked
all the time, you know, and having those team only meetings,
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and there's.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Still coming out after that meeting getting your butt kick.
Speaker 11 (25:58):
So when you turned it around, No, we never got
tired of it.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
It was always a great thing.
Speaker 11 (26:04):
To this day, if I'm with Troy and we're out,
we still talk talk about, man, we should have one
five man, we should have won four or five in
a row, you know, so you still look back and
think on that.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
So it blows my mind. And no, we didn't not
get tired.
Speaker 11 (26:18):
Let me take these days off because I don't want
everybody to think I was on Bourbon Street.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
I ain't gonna say I wasn't on Bourbon Street.
Speaker 11 (26:25):
But but you know what I mean, let me give
you the real so you know, okay, you know what
I'm saying, Colin, y'all know, go ahead on listen.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
There's a lot of cities to go to bed early,
and we're not in one.
Speaker 11 (26:37):
Of I'm not in one of them. And you gotta
know how super Bowl every day. I ain't doing that
again to night.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
And you do exactly what you said.
Speaker 11 (26:45):
You're not doing because you're running to everybody that you've known,
all the people that we're in business with it. You know,
it's just such a great time.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
So two weeks to prepare. Take me through Jimmy Johnson's prep.
You don't want to bore the players. You want to add,
you want to layer the preparation. Did you find Jimmy
changed a little bit in these two week off spaces.
Speaker 11 (27:10):
No, No, Jimmy was Jimmy had a real good understanding
of the men he was leading.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Jimmy and I love him to this day, and I
mention it.
Speaker 11 (27:21):
People think a lot of things, but Jimmy understood we
were boys, and he said, you know, we're going to
get great work in this first week, great work, and
then we're going to go out to the Super Bowl
Sunday and no eyes or no primary girlfriends, none of
them comes with us on Sunday, Sunday, Monday. I don't
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want to see any of them Tuesday, Wednesday, they can
come on in. He would tell us, I want you
guys to go have a little fun Sunday night. Have
a little fun you get, get it out, get it
out of your way, so we can focus on football.
I thought that was brilliant because now you don't go
the whole week thinking about what's going on out here.
You add you a Sunday and Monday night. Now you
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can focus in. I'm talking about by the time Wednesday
came around, we had to I swear you. We used
to have practices or Super Bowl. They were the best
practices I've ever seen. Not a ball hit the ground,
and we were ready to play football.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
It was smart.
Speaker 11 (28:19):
Give them time to go, get all that stuff out,
and then focus back in.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
So during the Akman Irvin Emmett days, all your games
felt big. You were a big TV product. Super Bowls
are different. And Michael, your your college games that that
you were big, but are super Bowls? Even I don't
I don't look at you as a guy that would.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Get nervous, none like it.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
But in a Super Bowl, did you ever look up
at all the pictures and even you a little bit
thinking I need to get hit, I need to run.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
A route.
Speaker 11 (28:47):
Happening, And they're guys here right you can tell them
until their ears fall off.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
You gotta be ready you're going to.
Speaker 11 (28:55):
Be calm yourself at the beginning of the game, You're
going to high perventilate.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
I'm never been so tired as I was.
Speaker 9 (29:02):
Wanda U.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
It's Super Bowls.
Speaker 11 (29:03):
I'm like, why am I this tired? I started thinking,
did I do too much earlier on in the week?
You know, But it's just your hyperventilating. You gotta think
about it. This is the moment you played in your
front yard talking about this. Oh your damn life, and
it's about to happen. Emmon and I walked on the
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field together in Pasadena and all week because we were
playing Buffalo and they had played in Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
You know, everybody's talking about experience. We said, it's a game.
It's a game. I run a slant route.
Speaker 11 (29:36):
I don't care if it's on a football field, Super
Bowl or in your front damn yard. I'm gonna catch
that slant route. I'm just talking all kind of noise.
When I got to that game and then I walked
on that field, our knees bucked.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
I said, oh my god. Right. I looked at him,
he said, I said, hey, man, did you feel that?
He said yeah.
Speaker 11 (29:53):
I said, don't say anything because if they know we scared,
they definitely gonna be scared.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Anxiety, but you you're going to have it.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
It's impossible not to have.
Speaker 11 (30:03):
And I'm telling you everybody's going to have it, even
if you've been here before.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah. I can remember one of Brady's first Super Bowls Belichick.
There's an old piece of video where Belichick's like, hey,
settle down, Tom, right right right, right right right?
Speaker 4 (30:18):
You know it is you know what I love about Tom?
Speaker 11 (30:20):
Though.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
I was with the one in New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
One here, yeah, oh.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
New one said it was it.
Speaker 11 (30:25):
I think Green Bay somebody beat a Bill Parcells, one
of the team it beat him here. I remember Tom
came over to me right after that and I was
standing next I did the game. He came he said, hey, man,
right after the game there just won. He said, what
do I need to do to get back here? How
do I win more? How do I do it? And
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I thought that was incredible. You know Patrick Mahomes last year,
right after he won two, he said, I gotta get
back here and win three in a row. That's what
it takes. It's gotta be a mono manaio coatt to
at it. Even one win is not enough, I won't
the next win in the next one.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So it's I always think one of the reasons I
had Philadelphia winning their division, but they were really noisy,
Nick Sirianni's noisy. But I do think there's an advantage
because Jalen Hurts and Saquon are not, so they are
two stars, kind of really reserved guys. I always thought
the Cowboys worked because Jimmy and Troy let you guys
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be yourself. Were there times in the game or in
moments during your because your team was always so big,
there was a little bit of noise. Did I could
see Jalen Hurts have to go to a j Browner?
Did Troy ever have to lean on you and say, hey, playmaker?
Did you ever go or did you have to be
chaperone at all?
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Well? No, the funny party is the funny party here. See.
Speaker 11 (31:48):
See Troy was Troy was the straight guy. He was
so focused and you know, so mature, and he was
great about But I knew, I knew I couldn't get
debate unless me and Roy was right. He's getting the
pat Ball verse, he gotta throw it to me, so
you had to be right right. Me and him was
always right, he and I was always right now. I
would get hit it with defensive linemen right like a
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Charles Man or somebody I'm yelling at, or Rich White
in my office a line, Michael, stop making him mad.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
You're not blocking him. You shut up right now.
Speaker 11 (32:22):
Troy never had a problem with me, but those offensive linemen,
they had a problem with me talking to the defensive
alignment since I wasn't going to block them.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
When you're when you're a player, so you you were
part of a dynasty, and Mahomes is part of a dynasty.
More pressure earlier late? Do you think can I mean,
when you when you first come to this thing, you
don't know what to expect. Now all of a sudden,
you're making a second trip, a third trip, a fourth trip.
Did it feel different for you in your last Super
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Bowl than your first?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
You know what? And I always tell people, there's nothing
like the first.
Speaker 11 (32:57):
There is nothing like the first, because it's that first
time that you realize that childhood dream of playing in
that front yard.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
But that second and third one as great.
Speaker 11 (33:07):
You gotta understand that that's everybody in your head, in
your mind.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Everybody in the world is focused on his game.
Speaker 11 (33:15):
That's never, that's never not a great situation for a
real guy, real player like me, or the guy like
Troy or guy like Patrick Mahomes, they look for that moment.
You were talking about something earlier. You were talking about
the pressure of playing in these kinds of games. And
as you were saying, and I was thinking, you got it.
The great ones have had an affair with pressure all
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of their careers. They sleep with it, eat with it,
live with it. It's what makes them take It's an
affair with press They're looking for pressure, so so they
look for these moments. The Tom Brady's, the Patrick Mahomes,
de Troy Amans. Those are the guys you love playing with.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
So in these big moments, I mean a lot of
the times that Mahomes has made a play in these
games that is off script when he was all banged up,
but he had a forty five year run. Do you
get in pressurized moments? And it doesn't even have to
be in a super Bowl? This game's tight, twenty eight
all fourth quarter, six minutes left. Are there moments that
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there's a look, there's a wink, there's a that it's
off script. Is every because you have so much time
to prep It's the last game of the year. You've
never been more prepared. Does that mean that we don't
see moments where you go to Troy in the sideline
like listen, I'm gonna change the route. Or was the
game too big to do that?
Speaker 11 (34:37):
No, no, no, no, we've done that because you play
the game like you played the game. We annasced in
a for our first NFC Championship game, Troy called this
played eight ninety six. He called it four times in
the game. Four times. Every time I run a bandate,
Alvin Harper ran a coral route. On the other side,
Jayno would take down the middle, that's the nine route.
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Every time he threw that ball, he threw it to
the curl route. Dude, game was on the line. We
were up by four. We needed this drive to put
him on He called it again. Oh, he said, it's
got right red. Right before he got the nine and
the six out, I ran the album and spot him
already gone. I'm changing the play right now. I ain't
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talking to newbody about this. The devil you throwing this
ball to me? Troy was like, what are you doing?
I said, wasn't the damn play I got it over here,
and you know he snapped the ball because I went
over there. That brought the double team to me. He
throws the back slant, he throws the backside eight route the.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Album and I'm like, I remember the play He's gone
with my pot on the fly.
Speaker 11 (35:43):
I was like, that would have gotten me. Oh my god,
you know, but I'm happy. I'm happy. And Troy we
talked about a lady. He said, had you not done that,
we still may not. We wouldn't have gotten that backside play.
It would have been a different play. So thank god
it worked out now a lot of times Charles Hayley,
because you know, Charles Haley was Charles Haley and leon Let.
Charles would tell leo Let, we're gonna we're gonna eight,
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We're gonna run a twist, the twist t twist.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
And me and let no, me and coach didn't call that.
Speaker 11 (36:11):
Charles said, you either run it, ormnna run up your ass, right,
you know, because they.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
And then yeah, yeah he ran it.
Speaker 11 (36:20):
If Charles get the sack, Coach said, great job calling
this calling that play. If Charles don't get the sack
and they make a nice play, they said, leon Let,
what the hell were you doing. They never went to Charles,
They only stayed Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Did Jimmy Johnson give like, what is a speech before
a Super Bowl? At halftime? You don't have to sell
the players on it. Do you remember the pregame speech?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Right?
Speaker 11 (36:45):
And Jimmy was great at this now? Jimmy was great
at this now our third super Bowl since so many
of us were still there, Jimmy right before the game
he said, I know a lot of you may be
full of these moments, may be satisfied of these moments,
but a lot of us have never had these moments.
And he made every man that hadn't had a ring
(37:07):
stand up and we had to spend time look at
don't you think they deserve one? Two is not just
about the ones you have, it's about them too, and
we're going to get them one. I thought that was
something great because it really made you think about, wait
a minute, I got two rings, but these guys do not.
And these are my teammates, and we played extra hard
for that.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Do you think it's an advantage in a strange way
that Kansas City didn't bulldoze people they struggled with Houston.
Do you think it's an advantage. Having played fifteen close
games this.
Speaker 11 (37:41):
Year, it's an advantage if you come out on top
like they have come out on top, and most, if
not all of them, you know they're incredible in late
games because like anything else, it gives you confidence and
you're going to be back in these situations again. And
back to that relations and ship with pressure. All of
(38:01):
Kansas City has that affair with pressure. They know about it,
eat and sleep with it because they know. Patrick Mahomes
is the guy that gets to pass, gets to get
the football first, and this guy we always trip an
old talent, shoulders down. I'm telling you what makes Patrick
Mahomes the great that he is is his gifts shoulders up.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
He knows how.
Speaker 11 (38:25):
To play, just to play each play and that makes
him great. He don't try to do more than he
needs to he needs. He understands the significance of one
play and every time he just beats you. So yeah,
that's a hell of a great opportunity and a hell
of a great advantage when you played that many tight games.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Do you lean either way in this game?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
This has been It's been a tough game for me.
Speaker 11 (38:51):
I don't think I've ever been had a game more
difficult to call than this game. You know, when you
look at the things that are on our because it's
not the skill. You got to try to pull in
all the things that make him have a deeper will.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
This is the third straight Super Bowl championship.
Speaker 11 (39:09):
Patrick Mahomes talked about it right after he won number
two the second straight, and I ran to Travis Kelce
at the basketball game in Dallas. That's all he asked
me about. So they've been living with this. This is
what they want, So that creates a great will. You
think Jalen Hurts, who have fought his way all the
way up to get respect as one of the top
(39:29):
quarterbacks in the National Football wants the National Football League
wants to go n two in a Super Bowl lose
to the same guy again.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
So that's going to create a great will.
Speaker 11 (39:40):
This is going to be a clash of Titans, and
it's going to be a hard fogus. I heard you
talk about it being a highest score game. I think
it's going to I don't think it's going to get
up that thirty eight thirty five. I think we'll live
closer to that twenty two that Kansas City the average.
We may not even get to the twenty seven points
that Ladelphia average. Right now, this is going to be
(40:02):
a defensive game, even though we're going to be looking
at the offense, because think about Philadelphia, don't give up
big plays.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
They're going to make.
Speaker 11 (40:10):
You Dean Kin dunk and Patrick Mahomes don't mind then
getting in Dunky ain't. On the other side, they're going
to hand the ball off. So we're going to have
a lot of time.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Could be a fast game, yeah, right, Like honestly, it'll
be a quick game, correct.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
But boy, I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 11 (40:26):
That defense for Philadelphia they running around and they're flying
around the ball. It's going to come down to them.
And I'm not talking about on the back end. I'm
talking about on the front end. You got to get
the Patrick Mahomes and bring him down.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
By the way, the Eagles, I think this is something.
They have two rookie corners. I don't know, but if
I'm Mahomes, I know you guys have been great all year.
I would go after a rookie corner in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 11 (40:51):
But remember now, the Eagles like to play that two
shell too, So they got two they got two corners,
and but they have safeties over the top up Now.
Last time I looked at the last game, what they
were doing. They were up on Travis Kelcey, but they
were giving him a free release. When you go back
and look at the game, ye'd a double team. But
you give him a free release. You can't give him
(41:12):
a free release. I ran to Bobby Taylor the other
day and we were talking about that old Philadelphia defense
they used to put on me when they got Bobby Taylor.
Bobby was saying, my job was not to worry about
covering you, it was to beat you up on the
line of scrimmage. I got help in the coverage, and
it wore me down like a boxer because his job
was just a bunch punched me every play. That's what
(41:34):
they gotta do in Travis Kelcey. They gotta wear his
butt down. You gotta touch him every snap when he's
coming off the football.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
The playmaker Hall of Famer Michael Irvin.
Speaker 11 (41:44):
Thanks buddy, man. It's always good to talk with you, Buddy.
I can't wait to get this to get to this game.
It's going to be a great one Sunday. I'm telling
you this might be one of the best Super Bowls,
not the highest scoring super Bowl, but I'm telling you
we're gonna have some fighters out here fighting eight
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