March 26, 2025 • 39 mins
Colin highlights the importance of Steph Curry at age 37 as the Warriors continue to struggle in his absence due to injury. He points out the lack of "Cinderella" teams in the NCAA tournament doesn't matter as the TV ratings for the first round are through the roof. Plus, 3-time Super Bowl champion Julian Edelman joins the show to talk about where Aaron Rodgers fits as he decides where to play in 2025
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in one hour as the Major League Baseball season obviously
started in Tokyo with the Dodgers Cubs, but it starts
tomorrow as well.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
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Speaker 1 (00:41):
The team's operating going forward starting tomorrow, and Rob Manfred
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Speaker 3 (00:46):
It is the Herd.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Jmack.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
It was interesting.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
So you know, you can you can add new members.
One of my favorite fans of all time was the Eagles,
right right, Okay, you can add people to the band,
but you know, Don Henley had the voice like in
the end. You can add a lot of bad members,
and the Warriors can add Jimmy Butler, and Jimmy Butler
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makes him better. But it is Steph's team and last
night was a great example because Jimmy Butler returned to
Miami to the heat where he got him to the finals,
and he has been great. He has been great when
Butler and Steph play together, Warriors are fifteen and three,
but last night's the difference between the two. Steph didn't play,
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Jimmy did, and the offense dried up. The starters for
the Warriors at half had ten total points. And Lebron
and Steph are transformational all time players, Top ten players.
Luca got traded for a reason. Remember Lebron left Miami
on his terms. Jimmy was traded out of town, right.
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So Luca is a great score, but the team's not
as good to face because he didn't share the ball
as much. And in the NBA, if I don't touch it,
I'm not playing d on the other end, and Steph
between iq EQ off ball, on ball, scoring, culture, building, leadership.
I love Jimmy Butler, but he's combative, he's a bouncer
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around the league guy. He's a super grinder. He's a
more offensive, least skilled Draymond Green. But Steph's the entire package.
Lebron's the entire package. You can love Keith Richards. It's
mixed band. You can love Butler, it's Steph's band. You
can love Luca, it's Lebron's band. And you saw it
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last night. Is that without Steph this looked like the
team pre Butler, Nobody could score. The movement's not as good,
they're not talking as much. And the Heat in the MAVs. Listen,
both got to finals, right, The Heat got to the finals.
But when they did with Jimmy Butler, Jimmy was overwhelmed
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and Luca got to a finals. But do you remember
that finals? He was out of shape, he was gassed.
Lebron James with Matthew Dela Vedova Canoza finals. He's not
out of shape, He's not gassed. He just doesn't have
enough combatants on his side. So I can absolutely love
Jimmy Butler, and you can add players to teams even
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like B plus A minus Guys, I've said this, everybody's
got this. Hey, Luca guarantees this. Luca gets worked on
the defensive end. We talked about this with Rick Buker yesterday.
When Lebron sat out and he didn't play with Luca,
they only lost. They were getting boat raced by bad
teams because Luca sort of reverts back to who Luca
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is and why it wasn't Noah's great chemistry with the Mavericks.
Guys are sitting around watching, they don't touch the ball.
And this was Buker yesterday talking about the Lebron Luca dynamic.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
When Lebron stepped out, it became the Lucas show and
it looked like Dallas. And the reason that you had
everybody defending as hard as they were.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Because they were touching the ball.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
They knew that if they ran the floor, the ball
is going to be passed ahead and I might get
a fast break layup.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And that doesn't happen much when Lebron's out. So it's interesting.
I had said this. I gave baseball about fifteen years off.
I didn't talk much about it. The game got really slow,
there was no urgency, the emergence of the iPhone. People
are distracted and the stars were not in the right places.
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Otani was down with the Angels who feel invisible here
in La County, which neighbors Orange County. And then Bryce
Harper goes to the Nats and Aaron Judge becomes a star,
and Otawni is now a Dodger, and all of a
sudden you look up and baseball speeds the game up.
The defensive shift is eliminated, the bases are bigger, there's
more base runners, more stolen bases, and baseball last two years.
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Rating's up, Attendance up. So Rob Manfred as a commissioner
of baseball on in one hour. He's always got a
battle the purists. Baseball is like half amusement park, half museum,
and the museum crowd, the old school people, they're grumpy.
The sky is falling with any change. So yesterday was
a great example of that. So Jeff Passen was on.
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He's a very popular baseball writer for the Other Place.
He was on a podcast and he said, you know,
baseball is in an incredible place right now. They cannot
have a work stoppage and all the steam heads come
out of the woodwork. Nobody can compete.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Oh good lord.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
The minute the Dodgers Yankees make a World Series, the
sky is falling. Crowd, nobody can compete. We need a
salary cap. Baseball is never going to have a salary cap.
Union's too strong, and you know, nobody is repeated in
baseball to win the World series since two thousand. That
is the longest streak of any pro league in America
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and the longest streak in baseball history. In fact, last
year I looked up this morning, the Guardians, Orioles, Royals, Tigers,
and Brewers all made the playoffs. In fact, Detroit wont
to playoffs. Thereies, they're all in the bottom half of
the league in payroll. The league's never had more parody,
never but speed up the game of the pitch clock.
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The purists didn't like it. The change in extra innings,
the larger bases, good god, They suggested the golden knit
bat used once a game where a star can bat
out of order. People freaked out. Baseball's did an incredibly,
incredibly healthy place. But no sport has more kninnies and
whiners than baseball. I looked it up this morning. So
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you had last year, you had six guys sign a
hundred plus million dollar contract.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Six guys. They must have been all Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Nope, One was a Yankee, one was a Dodger, one
was a Diamondback, one was a matt one was a
Red Sox, one was San Francisco, six different places.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
They haven't had a repeat champ, but.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
The minute the Dodgers and the Yankees get in, the
sky is falling.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
The purists are outrage. You have parody all over the sport.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Now, I will say this Dodger team is insane, but
we've all had somebody in our social circle. Hopefully you've
eliminated them where you know, you go up and say, man,
what a beautiful day, and they say, well, it could
rain tomorrow. That is baseball purest. The sport's great. There's
all sorts of bottom payroll team. I mean, in the
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NBA you have eight teams that feel like perpetually. The Wizards,
they're just not watchable. They had John Wall and they
weren't watchable. They can't compete. They had Beal and Wall
in their prime. They can't compete in the East. So
I mean, yeah, the a's situation's ugly. But the NFL
several years ago had the Raiders change where they were playing.
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The Chargers moved, they had three to Saint Louis, moved
out to LA There was a real bumpy two year
stretch of the NFL where like franchises were moving all
over the country. Yes, the A situation is a mess,
but this idea, it is just you know, like I
gave baseball fifteen years off the first eight years here.
In the last eight at the other place, I just
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didn't talk it much. Last year and a half, baseball
has been unbelievable. All the stars in the right place.
The game is faster, more base runners, more stolen bases,
more activity. In fact, one of my questions now is
I think there's parody in baseball. The place where you
lack parody is pitcher and hitter. Not enough teams can
hit two sixty five to two seventy as a team
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because the mound. Pitchers are bigger, stronger, faster, throwing one
hundred miles an hour, and batters, even good ones, can
be overwhelmed in this sport. That's where you lack parody.
The pitchers against the hitters. The sport's fine. And as
I've said, who pays forty percent of baseball bills, TV networks,
they don't care about parody. They want six really good teams,
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preferably in New York, Atlanta, Chicago.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
LA, and Philadelphia and maybe Houston.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
That's where they want the good teams, and that's where
they are right now. So J Mack, We've got a
lot of stuff you know, it's it's interesting. People are
pins and needles on what Aaron Rodgers is gonna do
and and I've said he's a slightly better version of
Russell Wilson. So Russell Wilson signed with the Giants yesterday
and it landed with an absolute nothing burger. WHOA, I
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don't think I that is a third to fourth place
team right.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Well, certainly, But is it possible that the Giants got
win that Hey, Schndor Sanders.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Ain't gonna be there with three guys. He's not. He's
gonna be gone.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
You better grab a quarterback before you get nothing. Right,
What if Russell Wilson went to I don't know another team,
then they would have no quarterback at all. So I
think some draft stuff leaked out, and that's why the
Patriots went and got Digs.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Is Travis Hunter gonna be there at four colin I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, so the Patriots probably heard Travis Hunter has gone
at four because the Giants are gonna have to select
him because the Browns are taking a quarterback. Yeah yeah,
So you know, nobody can keep a secret. I mean,
let's be honest. In the NFL, you get close to
the draft you got scouts that have worked for multiple teams.
You got people who have been fired, right like, so
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you can't keep secrets anywhere. If you want to keep
a secret, don't say anything to anybody. So I think
what happened yesterday's a bit of a domino. The Giants
find out Cleveland's taking a quarterback. The Patriots find out, oh,
we better than signed to Van Diggs because we're not
getting Travis Hunter, right, That's probably what's happening.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
And Neighbors and Travis Hunter is kind of spicy on
the outside.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
For the New York Giants.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
They got a quarterback who just throws deep balls.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
That's all Russ does. He doesn't want to go over
the middle.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
He just wants to throw the go routes to Pickens
and Pittsburg's memory and it worked. Now you get Neighbors
and Hunter. That's moderately interesting. With Brian Dable as your head.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
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Speaker 1 (11:04):
Welcome back Rob mad for Baseball Commission at the top
of next hour. So Russell Wilson signed yesterday with the Giants.
He's had some success in MetLife as a Seahawk, and
Jamis Winston had just signed with the Giants, and you
know what are they doing here? It's kind of a
Donald Trump thing. Flood the zone. See if anything sticks.
My takeaway is what Jay McK and I talked about earlier.
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It does appear Cleveland and I think this is a
good fit. Is going to take Shudur Sanders, So cam
Ward's going to go number one, shaduor Sanders. Cleveland's going
to go number two. The Giants got wind of it
and they signed Russell Wilson and Jamis Winston and they're
probably in the Travis Hunter, who's the best pure athlete
in the draft ballpark. And I was thinking about this
this morning. The Giants have really become the Cleveland Browns
where I'm dead serious, where I like the offensive head
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coach Stefanski won eleven games, rotated four quarterbacks and got
to the playoffs. That's all I've ever needed to see.
He's a good coach. Brian Davill won a playoff game
with Daniel Jones. That's all I need to know. The
rest of the organizations are trouble. I like the coach
that got some good defensive players and they are a
sideshow at quarterback. The difference is this morning, Cleveland's going
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to get Shdor Sanders. The Giants are stuck with Russell
Wilson and Jamis Winston. So Cleveland is now a better
version of the Giants. The last time Cleveland was legitimate
and stable at quarterback was Bernie Cozar mid eighties one
five straight. We got five straight playoff appearances, total stability.
Never been stable since the last time the Giants were stable.
Eli Manning wins two Super Bowls in a five year period.
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It's been a mess, and if you look at Cleveland,
it's been impulsive reactions from the owner. And if you
look at the Giants, they've had patients.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
They're not Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
They've had patients. They've just made horrible decisions. Joe Judge,
Dave Getleman, Daniel Jones. Then the extension letting Saquon go.
So there's a lot of different ways to get bad Cleveland.
It's mostly been an ownership thing. The Giants owner has
not helped bad GM thing. Joe, Shane, Dave Gettlman, just
to me, are they're not elite guys and so, but
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the difference is this morning is Cleveland's going to get
a quarterback who's a pocket guy, Shouder Sanders, who I
like more than the critics. Remember about a month ago
when some of these mock draft guys were saying, Hey,
Shadoor may fall to the second round. J Mack first
me following up, said you're out of your mind. These
guys are nice quarterback prospects. Far less talented quarterbacks have
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gone in the top five than Shador Sanders and Cam Moore.
Cam Ward's going on. What this says today signing Russell
Wilson is the Browns are taking Shaduur Sanders and Stefanski's
a very good pocket quarterback, very good with Flacco, very
good with Baker. That's what he does. Guys that sit
in the pocket and throw. Yeh, that's why Deshaun Watson's
been if he Deshaun didn't throw great from the pocket.
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He moves a lot and he's not the athlete he
once was. So you think I'm you know, listen, the
Giants have the worst record in the League's his twenty seventeen.
So when I say they're the Cleveland Browns, and they
have the fewest touchdown passes in the NFL since Eli
Manning retired. But the difference is the Browns this morning
are gonna get their future quarterback and the Giants are
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stuck with two guys past their prime. And by the way,
you couldn't get two more unique guys. I mean, here
is goofy, weird, funny, authentic Jameis Winston and then sort
of stoic, corporate, some would say inauthentic Russell Wilson. It's
a weird combination. But this morning, when I say the
Giants of the Cleveland Browns, you snicker. The Browns are
actually in the next month in better shape. They've got
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the best total player, Miles Garrett, they may have a
better coach, Kevin Stefanski, and they've got their future quarterback,
which they don't have it to pay a fortune for
for the next four years.
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Speaker 1 (15:40):
That's Covino and Rich. I don't mean to be a
wet blanket, but it was funny. I was reading some
politics yesterday. There was no outside of the Miami Heat
Warrior game, there wasn't a lot of games I want
to watch, so I watched a live listen to three
or four podcasts. I listened to an LA Times Patty
Hurst podcast. I was listening to pod casts all day
yesterday and watching shows, and I was sitting there thinking,
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you know, there used to be a term that was
used a lot. It's not used much anymore in sports,
hot take politics, the hot takes are insane. There's forty
a day. I mean, everybody exaggerates everything. It's like, folks,
go look up the Patty her story, the Pentagon papers.
You have no idea what was happening in this country
in the sixties and the seventies, and the radicals like
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take a deep breath and so like today's show. And
maybe that got me in the mood watching all the
hot takes in politics. But when I saw people attacking
Jeff Passon for saying baseball is in a great space.
Do just google who made the playoffs last year? It
was like a bunch of low payroll teams. You haven't
had a World Series repeat champs. It's like twenty two
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thousand or twenty twenty or whatever it was. It's like
forever longer than any other sport, the Patriots and Chiefs
have overwhelmingly dominated the last twenty five years in the NFL.
Nobody in baseball has nobody. And so the other one
or thing I've been pushing back on is this hot
take that I saw this headline yesterday. The nil and
the transfer portal are sucking the madness out of March.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Again.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
TV ratings illustrate that we're not watching for madness. We're
watching for Duke. We're watching for favorites memories. We know
this that lawyers can poke holes in eyewitness testimony because
memories fade and change over time. It's called partial recall.
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You remember something twenty years ago, but your brain fills
in the rest. And that's why good attorneys will poke
hole and eyewitnesses. And you start talking, talking yourself into
circles and misremembering stuff, and you know, you talk about
all this madness and all these upsets. So give an example.
The three biggest memories for most people watching college basketball.
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Number one is the Christian Latner shot he played for Duke.
They beat Kentucky, No Cinderella in that moment, two massive brands.
That's the most memorable shot, in my opinion in the
history of the tournament. Second, you could argue, second is
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young Michael Jordan hitting the basket against Georgetown, you NC
against the Hoyas. No Cinderella, John Thompson and Dean Smith,
two huge brands. Now we can go back to the
Volvano play. But I would say Chris Jenkins of Villanova
a number two or three seed beating North Carolina a
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number one seed. Those are three semi recent memories of
college basketball. You name me, remember a couple of years ago.
My point is there's so much mythology about Cinderella. Never
forget Cinderella. That was a moment, but she was a
house cleaner for the other three hundred and sixty days
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a year. Okay, right, we've made Cinderella and oh my god,
that was a night. That was a ball. That's it, right,
That wasn't the profession. And my takeaway is it's all mythology.
Is that remember a few years ago there was an upset.
What was the upset we had? Oh yeah, UMBC, the
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number sixteen seed beat number one Virginia. Do you remember
the next game for UMBC? Oh, you don't either, because
that was the greatest Cinderella and you forgot what they
did in the next game, So this whole March madness
is done. We don't watch for the madness. We watched
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for big brands. That's why this weekend is going to
be great because one of your upsets was John Calipari
beating Rick Mattino, and that's about the best upset you
could have. Calipari winning as a polarizing head coach. This
is just more mythology. And that's like people. A lot
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of people say they're gonna work out, they're gonna go
on a diet, and instead they go on ozempic. They
don't go to the gym, and they don't eat right,
they don't eat at all. They use ozempic. And you're
not watching for these small brands. You can't name two
players on VCU with Shaka Smart or George Mason. Unless
you're a college basketball.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Coach, you don't remember it.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
So the NIL helps college basketball. It keeps stars in
for another year. Some guys will say and on a
lot of these college basketball programs can pay a million
dollars for a great player they step up it. Or
I can make three hundred thousand dollars in the G League.
I'd rather play in the Big ten and I'd rather
play at Duke Carolina, Michigan State Michigan.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I'd rather play there. So that's where it helps.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
And it also Cherry picks mid major guys, which nobody
watches anyway. So again, take a deep breath. We're watching.
We're watching for March and Brands, not the madness. And
if you want to talk madness, it's Latner hitting the
shot over Kentucky. That was nuts. I watched that live.
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That was crazy. Duke against Kentucky.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
I'm sure you saw the ratings Colin or thirty plus,
a year high. So they had to go back to
nineteen ninety three when the ratings were this high for
the first two rounds. Do you want to guess who
was playing in nineteen ninety three, the Fab Five?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Okay, there you go.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
When they went up against the UNC historically great team,
hugely popular, culturally relevant.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
That's when the ratings were massive.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I mean, in my life, the most popular college basketball
teams have been the Laytner Duke team, the Patrick Ewing
Georgetown team, the Jordan Worthy Carolina teams, UNLV UNLV with
Tark which I call Levery Johnson's day, and that was
by the way, it may have been a Vegas was
an emerging city, but that was a big brand. Those
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are the most popular.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
And Fab five have to be close to you.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
And I'll argue this for there is this total false
narrative that Villanova beating Georgetown when they were both in
the Big East was shocking. I did the Roly mass
Amino show years later. He said, we matched up great
with Georgetown. We got annihilated twice against Chris Mullen, Mark
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Jackson and Saint John's. Our staff was like, we were
hoping we had ed Pinkney. They had Ewing Pinkney could
defend he Goes. We loved our chances against Georgetown. We
could play him anywhere we matched up. So that was
seen as a massive upset. If you remember back then,
you could slow the game down, you didn't have to
shoot and so but it's like baseball's got parody. Take
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a deep breath, it's fine and march madness. The ratings
are telling you people are into everywhere I went this
past weekend. I was in Chicago this past everywhere you went,
the game's were on everywhere.
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Speaker 1 (22:57):
Well, we haven't had Julian Edelin on in a long time.
He's got his own he's on the Fox NFL Kickoff,
and we just got out of free agency. We're moving
into the draft. I don't think it's a particularly strong draft.
I do want to ask you about free agency. So
there were some rumors recently about Aaron Rodgers in Minnesota,
and I thought to myself, I would wait if I
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was Aaron for Minnesota. Great coach indoors know the division
justin Jefferson and Minnesota. They brought in Darnold Daniel Jones,
but they wouldn't bring in Aaron even for a year.
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 5 (23:36):
I do agree with that.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Can I hear is?
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Mike? We go go ahead? Are you there?
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:41):
I do agree with that, just for the simple situation.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
Look, let's let's let's rewind back when Aaron Rodgers was
a young, spry quarterback. There was a quarterback in his
room that was playing the antics that Aaron Rodgers is
literally playing now. And Aaron picked up a lot of
the habits of Brett Farv. Let's not joke around about it.
He's doing the same things that Brett Favre did at
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the end of his career.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
That doesn't happen by accident.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
So you have a young quarterback in JJ McCarthy with
the Vikings with a quarterback genius coach and Kevin O'Connell,
and you just want to throw in Aaron Rodgers, who
you know Week eight last year on was great because
he started to get that chemistry that he doesn't get
in the off season because he doesn't do the off season.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
But he started to get that.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
But you're also getting all the other noise that you're
going to have with Aaron Rodgers, which is a lot
of distraction. And do you really want to go into
this locker room Minnesota that went to the NFC Championship
or went to the Divisional round last year and really
put something in there that could mess with the function
way of what that locker room is. They're clearly very
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confident in McCarthy. They let Sam Darnold walk out the door.
We were talking about him being the MVP until Week
fourteen last year, which is crazy.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
So they have a confidence they know what they want.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
I liked that they didn't name him the starter because
now he used to go on and earn it and
you can't just you know, put in this whole process,
this plan that you're preaching to the team, and the
name a kid who's never even played it down in
the National Football League the starting quarterback after So I'm
done on leave. So I do agree. I just went
on twenty different tangents. I do agree that they didn't
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with them not bringing in Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
You know, people have said about Aaron, like Pittsburgh fans
are saying, well, he doesn't fit our culture. And my
take is he's not really a football culture guy. Years ago,
in twenty twenty, a story came out where Green Bay
told Aaron don't be the problem. Since that article, this
would be his third team in four or five years.
And so I think Aaron has sent a very clear message.
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I am unapologetically independent. I am what I am. If
you sign me, I'm gonna want to cup all buddies
on the team. I'm okay with you as long.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
As you don't fool me.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Whatever you like, like Gronks like I'll go to Tampa
because I like the warm weather and I'm I don't
like the cold weather. So like he told everybody cold
weather teams not interested. So to me, you have to
have a strong culture or Aaron can kind of hijacket
like the Jets. Like I think he could go right
(26:28):
now to a Detroit or to a San Francisco. But like,
for instance, there were a couple of signings the Patriots
made Albert Hainsworth, Randy Moss, I don't think Aaron fits
a lot of cultures.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
I agree, But I do think he fits the Steelers
culture because I believe in Mike Tomlin and the professional
that he is as a head coach and how he
communicates with players that he can make it work with
Aaron Rodgers. Like we didn't hear anything about Antonio Brown
until he left the Steelers. That is a magic power
by Mike Tomlin who kept all that noise in the building.
(27:08):
So if there's any place for Aaron Rodgers to probably
be okay with how he handles football, I think Mike
Tomlin would be a great guy for that.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
So when.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
You look at the free agency, I'll tell you a
move I didn't love. I don't love Stefan Diggs to
the Patriots for that number. Buffalo got better when he left.
He was a three in Houston and they just paid
him number one money. And my take is the culture
isn't set yet, and he can be a little noisy,
like in Houston, which is a city that like accepts noise,
(27:43):
he could be a bit noisy and I don't love it. Again,
Drake May is growing, he's not established. We surmised earlier
today is they made that move because Cleveland's gonna take
should do and then the Giants are going to take
Travis Hunter. And Mike knows I got fired when I
(28:06):
lost AJ Brown. We don't have any receivers. They're looking
at the draft and thinking we're not going to get
Travis Hunter. Is it possible that's what they're doing.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
That could be possible, but you know they need to
upgrade the receiver room. And what you do get with
Stefan Diggs is you get a professional. You ask anyone
around town, anyone around the league. The guy works hard,
he knows how to run every route, and he's a
professional when he's in the building. Yes, there's antics, But
number two, I like Mike Rabel dealing with those antiqs
(28:35):
because he dealt with AJ Brown. He knows how to
deal with a big time receiver. We didn't hear anything
out of aj Brown. He's a very like alpha type
of guy that's played in the league, that can communicate
with these guys. And then number three, he's pissed off
at the Bills still like, why wouldn't you want a
little fire in a room the receiver room for the
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New England that hasn't performed in years? Why won't you
all a little fire in there? That's what Steph down
Diggs is gonna bring. He's gonna bring some urgency, which
that room needs. He's gonna bring some motivation. Yes, there's
gonna be some other stuff, but I trust that Mike
Grabel will take care of that. Yes, he's got a
young quarterback in Drake May. But we saw last year
how Stephan Diggs was with Stroud. He was a different
(29:20):
guy than he was with Alan. He understood, he matured
a little bit over the year. He evolved his game
and his attitude, and I expect him to do the
same thing in here. And if you look at the money,
what's it a three year deal? Thirty six million guaranteed,
that's a two year or thirty seven that's two year.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Fifteen million dollar deal.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
Guys are making forty million dollars now a year, So
that's not a big deal. That's where he's probably slated
for the receiver he is in his career.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
When you were with the Patriots, and the Patriots missed
on a lot of receivers and so this after Chad Jackson,
they sort of stopped untill Nikkeil Harriet. They didn't draft
a lot of first round guys. How long would it
take you when you're with a good football team New
England to realize, oh, that draft pick can play and
that guy can't. Every team has busts, every single team.
(30:08):
The great gms have Whift, Bill Polianwift. Were there times
after the draft first camp, you're like, we'll think that
guy's gonna make it.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Yeah, plenty of times.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
You know, if you're a first round guy, you got
you got.
Speaker 8 (30:22):
A superpower of some sort, right, right, so you want
to see that superpower. And yes, you're in diapers with
you know, shells and of off season workouts, but there's
always something that you can see in an explosive movement
a guy body up a guy for the ball and
steal it like he's a little kid, or or or
the speed of some guy. You see that first round
(30:44):
talent like where something is if he's gonna be able
to help right away.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
So I'm a fan of Shador Sanders, And one of
the reasons I'm a fan is he had a terrible
online in college. He trailed in all the games, he
had no run game, and he completed seventy four percent
of his throws. So you played with arguably the most accurate,
consistently accurate quarterback, certainly the best bad weather thrower I've
(31:12):
ever seen in Brady. And my thing is some guys
are accurate and some guys aren't. And like Cam was
never going to complete sixty eight percent, Anthony Richardson's not
that accurate. Like I watched the door and I'm like,
bro is running for his life trailing, so everybody knows
he's throwing seventy four percent. Like I don't believe you
(31:33):
can go from inaccurate to really accurate. And so now
you can go from inaccurate to sixty one percent. But
in all your years, of all the backups, wasn't Garoppolo
accurate early?
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Yeah, he was very accurate.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
The thing was new quarterbacked.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
Yeah, I wasn't accurate as if I went to receiver
with Shador for me, it's not the accuracy. And you
look at all this, he was sacked the most the
last two years his career in college, he's been sacked
the most. Set a few records on that, which you
know a lot of times, yes, it's the offensive line's fault,
(32:11):
but it's also you know it's it could be the
quarterback's fault.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
So a lot some of those can be on him.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
My number one thing with Shador is can he break
down the protections.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
He's not a mobile guy. He's a pocket passer. We
all keep on saying he's a pocket passer.
Speaker 8 (32:27):
So for me, if I'm a general manager, if I'm
a team, i want to see how good he is
with his protections because there's gonna be a day where
your left tackle can't He's not gonna be able to
block the guy across from him, so you're gonna have
to slide the protection.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
You're gonna have to get the ball out quicker. You're
gonna have to adjust your game.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
So him being able to adjust his game over these
last couple of years because of all the pressure, that
could help him, but it also could hurt him because
now he holds onto the ball too long. It's ultimately
going to come down to the offensive coordinator. He gets
paired up with that relationship and how he handles protections.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Brock Purty is trying to get a massive deal, and
the Niners have publicly stated we're not handing out cash
like we used to in your years in the NFL.
If a guy signs a deal and doesn't get what
he wants, is their resentment.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
I may have resented Bill every day in contract I signed.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Really, I mean, the.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
Usually a deal, usually they find a place where both
ends are happy.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
You were.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Generally you found a place.
Speaker 8 (33:40):
I found a place I understood I wasn't gonna you know,
for me personally, I always took team friendly ish deals
because I understood what I was a part of. I
understood that I'd have my most success in New England
because we were winning. I understood that. You know, if
I go to another team and that coaching staff gets
(34:00):
and you're in the middle of nowhere and you ain't
making no money off the field, like I understood all
that when I was signing with New England. I think
that's a huge part of the evaluation process for the
player and the situation. A lot of the times guys
you know, want the biggest dollar. But you know, for instance,
(34:20):
you look at like Darnold, he goes and he signs
with Seattle. I wonder what was the number that Minnesota
signed him for, because he's basically playing a one year
deal with the team that he doesn't know and he's
going to try to hit free agency.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Again and a defensive coach and a defensive coach.
Speaker 8 (34:39):
I would have took probably six seven million dollars less
to have my one year deal with Justin Jefferson and
Addison and a coach that knows how to call plays
for me if I'm going to try to hit it
again even if I wasn't going to be the guy
this year. You know, that's kind of what you're evaluating
as a player. It's not just the most money. If
that's your goal, there's other a ways to make the money.
(35:01):
It's not always about doing on the field. So doing
it through your winning, through the community of where you're at,
and there's those are all part of that evaluation process
for the players.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
So you know that that's the real thing.
Speaker 8 (35:12):
What was that number that Sam Donald or the Minnesota
Vikings and Sam Donald didn't get.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I think most of the smart athletes get winning. Trump's
everything because when your career ends, you'll get more deals,
and the deals now on social media alone without a
seven figure deals without a doubt, casting deals without a doubt.
Speaker 8 (35:31):
So I think players should really take a look at
that when they're when they're looking at if their number
one goal is money, Okay, you got to look at
everything because when you win and you're a champion, you
make that money forever. You know, you may not make
the money up front like you're making when you're you know,
at a team that's four and thirteen and you guys
(35:55):
don't make the playoffs, but you're the highest paid guy
in the league. You know, that's if that's your goal,
at your goal, but you could also make money the
other way.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Finally, I thought it was interesting Tom Brady was quoted.
Tom came out with it. This isn't speculation, he said. Eventually,
you know, I took a piece of paper and a
pen and I wrote down things that mattered to me
between Tampa and New England. And he acknowledges they had
really good receivers. That was really important. He's like, you know,
(36:25):
also the coach was offensive, the weather was better. I
didn't want to play in cold weather, and he acknowledged,
he goes we reached a point where tension, it was inevitable.
How I had to leave, And I'll say this down.
I'll ask this because it's out there. Tom's acknowledging the tension.
Do you remember the first time, the first time I
knew Tom was leaving is when he screamed at the
(36:47):
wide receivers get open, and it was on television. I thought, Okay,
I'm seeing publicly frustrated Tom with his personnel. That's why
I wasn't shocked when he went to Tampa. And he
also liked the chargers that had Keenan Allen in my Williams.
He wanted receivers. As you left, like it was like, okay,
gronk aged. Do you remember the first time you thought
(37:08):
Tom's cranky today or Bill treated him away and you
just you.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Didn't like it, you know Bill? Bill was tough on everyone,
And I don't know.
Speaker 8 (37:20):
If I had my blinders on and I thought everyone
was on the same table, I may have.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
You know.
Speaker 8 (37:26):
So if he got into Tom, he got into Tom.
If he got into Vince, he got into Vince. If
he got into Ninkovic, he got into Ninkovic. You got
into Slater, got into Slater, but when it was Tom,
it was different. And the thing is, you Tom, he
had a really good poker face. Even when you could
tell when he had his feelings hurt or he was
(37:49):
maybe a little frustrated with certain things, he didn't let.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
It affect him. And that's why he's an ultra leader.
Speaker 8 (37:56):
And that's why he's the greatest leader of all time,
you know what I mean, because we we all kind
of knew what was going on. He felt the tension,
but he didn't see it from Tom. He didn't show nobody.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
He didn't let it seep in.
Speaker 8 (38:10):
He didn't let it seep in. He went to work.
He was the same guy every day. He like, yes,
emotions in the game when he says, oh, get open, guys,
that's gonna happen. That's it's an emotional game. You're in
the heat of battle. But like, you didn't really see
any kind of frustration from Tom. And that's because he
always had I knew personally there were certain things, but
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you know, he never let everyone know. And and that's
that's what a good leader looks like.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
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Speaker 5 (38:43):
Poka naku is on yours.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
You gotta tell him stop talking about retirement.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
I know, I agree you can't.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
I don't like it.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
I don't either. There's you know, I agree with you
on that.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
I think he's just being He was a little young,
got a little excited.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
In front of the microphone. You know. I'm telling you.
Speaker 8 (39:01):
Sometimes you get comfortable in the setting and you start
talking and you don't understand what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (39:07):
But you definitely don't want to tell an organization that
you you don't want to cap your career because.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Gms don't care about work life balance.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
No, they don't. They don't.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
They care about This is a production business, that's what
they say this is. And if he goes out he
balls and and does it, it's fine. But still you
just gotta loose sleeps loose lips, sink ships.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
Bro and careers and careers. Yeah, he'll be all right,
he'll be all right.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
They're all right. Julian Edelman, thanks buddy, good seeing you
live in LA.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
It's the hurt
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Speaker 1 (00:48):
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Speaker 3 (00:49):
It was interesting.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
So you know, you can you can add new members.
One of my favorite fans of all time was the Eagles,
right right, Okay, you can add people to the band,
but you know, Don Henley had the voice like in
the end. You can add a lot of bad members,
and the Warriors can add Jimmy Butler, and Jimmy Butler
(01:11):
makes him better. But it is Steph's team and last
night was a great example because Jimmy Butler returned to
Miami to the heat where he got him to the finals,
and he has been great. He has been great when
Butler and Steph play together, Warriors are fifteen and three,
but last night's the difference between the two. Steph didn't play,
(01:31):
Jimmy did, and the offense dried up. The starters for
the Warriors at half had ten total points. And Lebron
and Steph are transformational all time players, Top ten players.
Luca got traded for a reason. Remember Lebron left Miami
on his terms. Jimmy was traded out of town, right.
(01:55):
So Luca is a great score, but the team's not
as good to face because he didn't share the ball
as much. And in the NBA, if I don't touch it,
I'm not playing d on the other end, and Steph
between iq EQ off ball, on ball, scoring, culture, building, leadership.
I love Jimmy Butler, but he's combative, he's a bouncer
(02:17):
around the league guy. He's a super grinder. He's a
more offensive, least skilled Draymond Green. But Steph's the entire package.
Lebron's the entire package. You can love Keith Richards. It's
mixed band. You can love Butler, it's Steph's band. You
can love Luca, it's Lebron's band. And you saw it
(02:39):
last night. Is that without Steph this looked like the
team pre Butler, Nobody could score. The movement's not as good,
they're not talking as much. And the Heat in the MAVs. Listen,
both got to finals, right, The Heat got to the finals.
But when they did with Jimmy Butler, Jimmy was overwhelmed
(02:59):
and Luca got to a finals. But do you remember
that finals? He was out of shape, he was gassed.
Lebron James with Matthew Dela Vedova Canoza finals. He's not
out of shape, He's not gassed. He just doesn't have
enough combatants on his side. So I can absolutely love
Jimmy Butler, and you can add players to teams even
(03:23):
like B plus A minus Guys, I've said this, everybody's
got this. Hey, Luca guarantees this. Luca gets worked on
the defensive end. We talked about this with Rick Buker yesterday.
When Lebron sat out and he didn't play with Luca,
they only lost. They were getting boat raced by bad
teams because Luca sort of reverts back to who Luca
(03:44):
is and why it wasn't Noah's great chemistry with the Mavericks.
Guys are sitting around watching, they don't touch the ball.
And this was Buker yesterday talking about the Lebron Luca dynamic.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
When Lebron stepped out, it became the Lucas show and
it looked like Dallas. And the reason that you had
everybody defending as hard as they were.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Because they were touching the ball.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
They knew that if they ran the floor, the ball
is going to be passed ahead and I might get
a fast break layup.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And that doesn't happen much when Lebron's out. So it's interesting.
I had said this. I gave baseball about fifteen years off.
I didn't talk much about it. The game got really slow,
there was no urgency, the emergence of the iPhone. People
are distracted and the stars were not in the right places.
(04:38):
Otani was down with the Angels who feel invisible here
in La County, which neighbors Orange County. And then Bryce
Harper goes to the Nats and Aaron Judge becomes a star,
and Otawni is now a Dodger, and all of a
sudden you look up and baseball speeds the game up.
The defensive shift is eliminated, the bases are bigger, there's
more base runners, more stolen bases, and baseball last two years.
(05:00):
Rating's up, Attendance up. So Rob Manfred as a commissioner
of baseball on in one hour. He's always got a
battle the purists. Baseball is like half amusement park, half museum,
and the museum crowd, the old school people, they're grumpy.
The sky is falling with any change. So yesterday was
a great example of that. So Jeff Passen was on.
(05:22):
He's a very popular baseball writer for the Other Place.
He was on a podcast and he said, you know,
baseball is in an incredible place right now. They cannot
have a work stoppage and all the steam heads come
out of the woodwork. Nobody can compete.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Oh good lord.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
The minute the Dodgers Yankees make a World Series, the
sky is falling. Crowd, nobody can compete. We need a
salary cap. Baseball is never going to have a salary cap.
Union's too strong, and you know, nobody is repeated in
baseball to win the World series since two thousand. That
is the longest streak of any pro league in America
(06:03):
and the longest streak in baseball history. In fact, last
year I looked up this morning, the Guardians, Orioles, Royals, Tigers,
and Brewers all made the playoffs. In fact, Detroit wont
to playoffs. Thereies, they're all in the bottom half of
the league in payroll. The league's never had more parody,
never but speed up the game of the pitch clock.
(06:25):
The purists didn't like it. The change in extra innings,
the larger bases, good god, They suggested the golden knit
bat used once a game where a star can bat
out of order. People freaked out. Baseball's did an incredibly,
incredibly healthy place. But no sport has more kninnies and
whiners than baseball. I looked it up this morning. So
(06:48):
you had last year, you had six guys sign a
hundred plus million dollar contract.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Six guys. They must have been all Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Nope, One was a Yankee, one was a Dodger, one
was a Diamondback, one was a matt one was a
Red Sox, one was San Francisco, six different places.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
They haven't had a repeat champ, but.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
The minute the Dodgers and the Yankees get in, the
sky is falling.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
The purists are outrage. You have parody all over the sport.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Now, I will say this Dodger team is insane, but
we've all had somebody in our social circle. Hopefully you've
eliminated them where you know, you go up and say, man,
what a beautiful day, and they say, well, it could
rain tomorrow. That is baseball purest. The sport's great. There's
all sorts of bottom payroll team. I mean, in the
(07:38):
NBA you have eight teams that feel like perpetually. The Wizards,
they're just not watchable. They had John Wall and they
weren't watchable. They can't compete. They had Beal and Wall
in their prime. They can't compete in the East. So
I mean, yeah, the a's situation's ugly. But the NFL
several years ago had the Raiders change where they were playing.
(08:00):
The Chargers moved, they had three to Saint Louis, moved
out to LA There was a real bumpy two year
stretch of the NFL where like franchises were moving all
over the country. Yes, the A situation is a mess,
but this idea, it is just you know, like I
gave baseball fifteen years off the first eight years here.
In the last eight at the other place, I just
(08:20):
didn't talk it much. Last year and a half, baseball
has been unbelievable. All the stars in the right place.
The game is faster, more base runners, more stolen bases,
more activity. In fact, one of my questions now is
I think there's parody in baseball. The place where you
lack parody is pitcher and hitter. Not enough teams can
hit two sixty five to two seventy as a team
(08:42):
because the mound. Pitchers are bigger, stronger, faster, throwing one
hundred miles an hour, and batters, even good ones, can
be overwhelmed in this sport. That's where you lack parody.
The pitchers against the hitters. The sport's fine. And as
I've said, who pays forty percent of baseball bills, TV networks,
they don't care about parody. They want six really good teams,
(09:05):
preferably in New York, Atlanta, Chicago.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
LA, and Philadelphia and maybe Houston.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
That's where they want the good teams, and that's where
they are right now. So J Mack, We've got a
lot of stuff you know, it's it's interesting. People are
pins and needles on what Aaron Rodgers is gonna do
and and I've said he's a slightly better version of
Russell Wilson. So Russell Wilson signed with the Giants yesterday
and it landed with an absolute nothing burger. WHOA, I
(09:32):
don't think I that is a third to fourth place
team right.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Well, certainly, But is it possible that the Giants got
win that Hey, Schndor Sanders.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Ain't gonna be there with three guys. He's not. He's
gonna be gone.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
You better grab a quarterback before you get nothing. Right,
What if Russell Wilson went to I don't know another team,
then they would have no quarterback at all. So I
think some draft stuff leaked out, and that's why the
Patriots went and got Digs.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Is Travis Hunter gonna be there at four colin I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, so the Patriots probably heard Travis Hunter has gone
at four because the Giants are gonna have to select
him because the Browns are taking a quarterback. Yeah yeah,
So you know, nobody can keep a secret. I mean,
let's be honest. In the NFL, you get close to
the draft you got scouts that have worked for multiple teams.
You got people who have been fired, right like, so
(10:19):
you can't keep secrets anywhere. If you want to keep
a secret, don't say anything to anybody. So I think
what happened yesterday's a bit of a domino. The Giants
find out Cleveland's taking a quarterback. The Patriots find out, oh,
we better than signed to Van Diggs because we're not
getting Travis Hunter, right, That's probably what's happening.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
And Neighbors and Travis Hunter is kind of spicy on
the outside.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
For the New York Giants.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
They got a quarterback who just throws deep balls.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
That's all Russ does. He doesn't want to go over
the middle.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
He just wants to throw the go routes to Pickens
and Pittsburg's memory and it worked. Now you get Neighbors
and Hunter. That's moderately interesting. With Brian Dable as your head.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
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Speaker 1 (11:04):
Welcome back Rob mad for Baseball Commission at the top
of next hour. So Russell Wilson signed yesterday with the Giants.
He's had some success in MetLife as a Seahawk, and
Jamis Winston had just signed with the Giants, and you
know what are they doing here? It's kind of a
Donald Trump thing. Flood the zone. See if anything sticks.
My takeaway is what Jay McK and I talked about earlier.
(11:26):
It does appear Cleveland and I think this is a
good fit. Is going to take Shudur Sanders, So cam
Ward's going to go number one, shaduor Sanders. Cleveland's going
to go number two. The Giants got wind of it
and they signed Russell Wilson and Jamis Winston and they're
probably in the Travis Hunter, who's the best pure athlete
in the draft ballpark. And I was thinking about this
this morning. The Giants have really become the Cleveland Browns
where I'm dead serious, where I like the offensive head
(11:49):
coach Stefanski won eleven games, rotated four quarterbacks and got
to the playoffs. That's all I've ever needed to see.
He's a good coach. Brian Davill won a playoff game
with Daniel Jones. That's all I need to know. The
rest of the organizations are trouble. I like the coach
that got some good defensive players and they are a
sideshow at quarterback. The difference is this morning, Cleveland's going
(12:11):
to get Shdor Sanders. The Giants are stuck with Russell
Wilson and Jamis Winston. So Cleveland is now a better
version of the Giants. The last time Cleveland was legitimate
and stable at quarterback was Bernie Cozar mid eighties one
five straight. We got five straight playoff appearances, total stability.
Never been stable since the last time the Giants were stable.
Eli Manning wins two Super Bowls in a five year period.
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It's been a mess, and if you look at Cleveland,
it's been impulsive reactions from the owner. And if you
look at the Giants, they've had patients.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
They're not Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
They've had patients. They've just made horrible decisions. Joe Judge,
Dave Getleman, Daniel Jones. Then the extension letting Saquon go.
So there's a lot of different ways to get bad Cleveland.
It's mostly been an ownership thing. The Giants owner has
not helped bad GM thing. Joe, Shane, Dave Gettlman, just
to me, are they're not elite guys and so, but
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the difference is this morning is Cleveland's going to get
a quarterback who's a pocket guy, Shouder Sanders, who I
like more than the critics. Remember about a month ago
when some of these mock draft guys were saying, Hey,
Shadoor may fall to the second round. J Mack first
me following up, said you're out of your mind. These
guys are nice quarterback prospects. Far less talented quarterbacks have
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gone in the top five than Shador Sanders and Cam Moore.
Cam Ward's going on. What this says today signing Russell
Wilson is the Browns are taking Shaduur Sanders and Stefanski's
a very good pocket quarterback, very good with Flacco, very
good with Baker. That's what he does. Guys that sit
in the pocket and throw. Yeh, that's why Deshaun Watson's
been if he Deshaun didn't throw great from the pocket.
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He moves a lot and he's not the athlete he
once was. So you think I'm you know, listen, the
Giants have the worst record in the League's his twenty seventeen.
So when I say they're the Cleveland Browns, and they
have the fewest touchdown passes in the NFL since Eli
Manning retired. But the difference is the Browns this morning
are gonna get their future quarterback and the Giants are
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stuck with two guys past their prime. And by the way,
you couldn't get two more unique guys. I mean, here
is goofy, weird, funny, authentic Jameis Winston and then sort
of stoic, corporate, some would say inauthentic Russell Wilson. It's
a weird combination. But this morning, when I say the
Giants of the Cleveland Browns, you snicker. The Browns are
actually in the next month in better shape. They've got
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the best total player, Miles Garrett, they may have a
better coach, Kevin Stefanski, and they've got their future quarterback,
which they don't have it to pay a fortune for
for the next four years.
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Speaker 1 (15:40):
That's Covino and Rich. I don't mean to be a
wet blanket, but it was funny. I was reading some
politics yesterday. There was no outside of the Miami Heat
Warrior game, there wasn't a lot of games I want
to watch, so I watched a live listen to three
or four podcasts. I listened to an LA Times Patty
Hurst podcast. I was listening to pod casts all day
yesterday and watching shows, and I was sitting there thinking,
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you know, there used to be a term that was
used a lot. It's not used much anymore in sports,
hot take politics, the hot takes are insane. There's forty
a day. I mean, everybody exaggerates everything. It's like, folks,
go look up the Patty her story, the Pentagon papers.
You have no idea what was happening in this country
in the sixties and the seventies, and the radicals like
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take a deep breath and so like today's show. And
maybe that got me in the mood watching all the
hot takes in politics. But when I saw people attacking
Jeff Passon for saying baseball is in a great space.
Do just google who made the playoffs last year? It
was like a bunch of low payroll teams. You haven't
had a World Series repeat champs. It's like twenty two
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thousand or twenty twenty or whatever it was. It's like
forever longer than any other sport, the Patriots and Chiefs
have overwhelmingly dominated the last twenty five years in the NFL.
Nobody in baseball has nobody. And so the other one
or thing I've been pushing back on is this hot
take that I saw this headline yesterday. The nil and
the transfer portal are sucking the madness out of March.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Again.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
TV ratings illustrate that we're not watching for madness. We're
watching for Duke. We're watching for favorites memories. We know
this that lawyers can poke holes in eyewitness testimony because
memories fade and change over time. It's called partial recall.
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You remember something twenty years ago, but your brain fills
in the rest. And that's why good attorneys will poke
hole and eyewitnesses. And you start talking, talking yourself into
circles and misremembering stuff, and you know, you talk about
all this madness and all these upsets. So give an example.
The three biggest memories for most people watching college basketball.
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Number one is the Christian Latner shot he played for Duke.
They beat Kentucky, No Cinderella in that moment, two massive brands.
That's the most memorable shot, in my opinion in the
history of the tournament. Second, you could argue, second is
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young Michael Jordan hitting the basket against Georgetown, you NC
against the Hoyas. No Cinderella, John Thompson and Dean Smith,
two huge brands. Now we can go back to the
Volvano play. But I would say Chris Jenkins of Villanova
a number two or three seed beating North Carolina a
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number one seed. Those are three semi recent memories of
college basketball. You name me, remember a couple of years ago.
My point is there's so much mythology about Cinderella. Never
forget Cinderella. That was a moment, but she was a
house cleaner for the other three hundred and sixty days
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a year. Okay, right, we've made Cinderella and oh my god,
that was a night. That was a ball. That's it, right,
That wasn't the profession. And my takeaway is it's all mythology.
Is that remember a few years ago there was an upset.
What was the upset we had? Oh yeah, UMBC, the
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number sixteen seed beat number one Virginia. Do you remember
the next game for UMBC? Oh, you don't either, because
that was the greatest Cinderella and you forgot what they
did in the next game, So this whole March madness
is done. We don't watch for the madness. We watched
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for big brands. That's why this weekend is going to
be great because one of your upsets was John Calipari
beating Rick Mattino, and that's about the best upset you
could have. Calipari winning as a polarizing head coach. This
is just more mythology. And that's like people. A lot
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of people say they're gonna work out, they're gonna go
on a diet, and instead they go on ozempic. They
don't go to the gym, and they don't eat right,
they don't eat at all. They use ozempic. And you're
not watching for these small brands. You can't name two
players on VCU with Shaka Smart or George Mason. Unless
you're a college basketball.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Coach, you don't remember it.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
So the NIL helps college basketball. It keeps stars in
for another year. Some guys will say and on a
lot of these college basketball programs can pay a million
dollars for a great player they step up it. Or
I can make three hundred thousand dollars in the G League.
I'd rather play in the Big ten and I'd rather
play at Duke Carolina, Michigan State Michigan.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I'd rather play there. So that's where it helps.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
And it also Cherry picks mid major guys, which nobody
watches anyway. So again, take a deep breath. We're watching.
We're watching for March and Brands, not the madness. And
if you want to talk madness, it's Latner hitting the
shot over Kentucky. That was nuts. I watched that live.
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That was crazy. Duke against Kentucky.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
I'm sure you saw the ratings Colin or thirty plus,
a year high. So they had to go back to
nineteen ninety three when the ratings were this high for
the first two rounds. Do you want to guess who
was playing in nineteen ninety three, the Fab Five?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Okay, there you go.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
When they went up against the UNC historically great team,
hugely popular, culturally relevant.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
That's when the ratings were massive.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I mean, in my life, the most popular college basketball
teams have been the Laytner Duke team, the Patrick Ewing
Georgetown team, the Jordan Worthy Carolina teams, UNLV UNLV with
Tark which I call Levery Johnson's day, and that was
by the way, it may have been a Vegas was
an emerging city, but that was a big brand. Those
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are the most popular.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
And Fab five have to be close to you.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
And I'll argue this for there is this total false
narrative that Villanova beating Georgetown when they were both in
the Big East was shocking. I did the Roly mass
Amino show years later. He said, we matched up great
with Georgetown. We got annihilated twice against Chris Mullen, Mark
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Jackson and Saint John's. Our staff was like, we were
hoping we had ed Pinkney. They had Ewing Pinkney could
defend he Goes. We loved our chances against Georgetown. We
could play him anywhere we matched up. So that was
seen as a massive upset. If you remember back then,
you could slow the game down, you didn't have to
shoot and so but it's like baseball's got parody. Take
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a deep breath, it's fine and march madness. The ratings
are telling you people are into everywhere I went this
past weekend. I was in Chicago this past everywhere you went,
the game's were on everywhere.
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Speaker 1 (22:57):
Well, we haven't had Julian Edelin on in a long time.
He's got his own he's on the Fox NFL Kickoff,
and we just got out of free agency. We're moving
into the draft. I don't think it's a particularly strong draft.
I do want to ask you about free agency. So
there were some rumors recently about Aaron Rodgers in Minnesota,
and I thought to myself, I would wait if I
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was Aaron for Minnesota. Great coach indoors know the division
justin Jefferson and Minnesota. They brought in Darnold Daniel Jones,
but they wouldn't bring in Aaron even for a year.
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 5 (23:36):
I do agree with that.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Can I hear is?
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Mike? We go go ahead? Are you there?
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:41):
I do agree with that, just for the simple situation.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
Look, let's let's let's rewind back when Aaron Rodgers was
a young, spry quarterback. There was a quarterback in his
room that was playing the antics that Aaron Rodgers is
literally playing now. And Aaron picked up a lot of
the habits of Brett Farv. Let's not joke around about it.
He's doing the same things that Brett Favre did at
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the end of his career.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
That doesn't happen by accident.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
So you have a young quarterback in JJ McCarthy with
the Vikings with a quarterback genius coach and Kevin O'Connell,
and you just want to throw in Aaron Rodgers, who
you know Week eight last year on was great because
he started to get that chemistry that he doesn't get
in the off season because he doesn't do the off season.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
But he started to get that.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
But you're also getting all the other noise that you're
going to have with Aaron Rodgers, which is a lot
of distraction. And do you really want to go into
this locker room Minnesota that went to the NFC Championship
or went to the Divisional round last year and really
put something in there that could mess with the function
way of what that locker room is. They're clearly very
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confident in McCarthy. They let Sam Darnold walk out the door.
We were talking about him being the MVP until Week
fourteen last year, which is crazy.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
So they have a confidence they know what they want.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
I liked that they didn't name him the starter because
now he used to go on and earn it and
you can't just you know, put in this whole process,
this plan that you're preaching to the team, and the
name a kid who's never even played it down in
the National Football League the starting quarterback after So I'm
done on leave. So I do agree. I just went
on twenty different tangents. I do agree that they didn't
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with them not bringing in Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
You know, people have said about Aaron, like Pittsburgh fans
are saying, well, he doesn't fit our culture. And my
take is he's not really a football culture guy. Years ago,
in twenty twenty, a story came out where Green Bay
told Aaron don't be the problem. Since that article, this
would be his third team in four or five years.
And so I think Aaron has sent a very clear message.
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I am unapologetically independent. I am what I am. If
you sign me, I'm gonna want to cup all buddies
on the team. I'm okay with you as long.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
As you don't fool me.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Whatever you like, like Gronks like I'll go to Tampa
because I like the warm weather and I'm I don't
like the cold weather. So like he told everybody cold
weather teams not interested. So to me, you have to
have a strong culture or Aaron can kind of hijacket
like the Jets. Like I think he could go right
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now to a Detroit or to a San Francisco. But like,
for instance, there were a couple of signings the Patriots
made Albert Hainsworth, Randy Moss, I don't think Aaron fits
a lot of cultures.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
I agree, But I do think he fits the Steelers
culture because I believe in Mike Tomlin and the professional
that he is as a head coach and how he
communicates with players that he can make it work with
Aaron Rodgers. Like we didn't hear anything about Antonio Brown
until he left the Steelers. That is a magic power
by Mike Tomlin who kept all that noise in the building.
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So if there's any place for Aaron Rodgers to probably
be okay with how he handles football, I think Mike
Tomlin would be a great guy for that.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
So when.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
You look at the free agency, I'll tell you a
move I didn't love. I don't love Stefan Diggs to
the Patriots for that number. Buffalo got better when he left.
He was a three in Houston and they just paid
him number one money. And my take is the culture
isn't set yet, and he can be a little noisy,
like in Houston, which is a city that like accepts noise,
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he could be a bit noisy and I don't love it. Again,
Drake May is growing, he's not established. We surmised earlier
today is they made that move because Cleveland's gonna take
should do and then the Giants are going to take
Travis Hunter. And Mike knows I got fired when I
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lost AJ Brown. We don't have any receivers. They're looking
at the draft and thinking we're not going to get
Travis Hunter. Is it possible that's what they're doing.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
That could be possible, but you know they need to
upgrade the receiver room. And what you do get with
Stefan Diggs is you get a professional. You ask anyone
around town, anyone around the league. The guy works hard,
he knows how to run every route, and he's a
professional when he's in the building. Yes, there's antics, But
number two, I like Mike Rabel dealing with those antiqs
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because he dealt with AJ Brown. He knows how to
deal with a big time receiver. We didn't hear anything
out of aj Brown. He's a very like alpha type
of guy that's played in the league, that can communicate
with these guys. And then number three, he's pissed off
at the Bills still like, why wouldn't you want a
little fire in a room the receiver room for the
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New England that hasn't performed in years? Why won't you
all a little fire in there? That's what Steph down
Diggs is gonna bring. He's gonna bring some urgency, which
that room needs. He's gonna bring some motivation. Yes, there's
gonna be some other stuff, but I trust that Mike
Grabel will take care of that. Yes, he's got a
young quarterback in Drake May. But we saw last year
how Stephan Diggs was with Stroud. He was a different
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guy than he was with Alan. He understood, he matured
a little bit over the year. He evolved his game
and his attitude, and I expect him to do the
same thing in here. And if you look at the money,
what's it a three year deal? Thirty six million guaranteed,
that's a two year or thirty seven that's two year.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Fifteen million dollar deal.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
Guys are making forty million dollars now a year, So
that's not a big deal. That's where he's probably slated
for the receiver he is in his career.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
When you were with the Patriots, and the Patriots missed
on a lot of receivers and so this after Chad Jackson,
they sort of stopped untill Nikkeil Harriet. They didn't draft
a lot of first round guys. How long would it
take you when you're with a good football team New
England to realize, oh, that draft pick can play and
that guy can't. Every team has busts, every single team.
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The great gms have Whift, Bill Polianwift. Were there times
after the draft first camp, you're like, we'll think that
guy's gonna make it.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Yeah, plenty of times.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
You know, if you're a first round guy, you got
you got.
Speaker 8 (30:22):
A superpower of some sort, right, right, so you want
to see that superpower. And yes, you're in diapers with
you know, shells and of off season workouts, but there's
always something that you can see in an explosive movement
a guy body up a guy for the ball and
steal it like he's a little kid, or or or
the speed of some guy. You see that first round
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talent like where something is if he's gonna be able
to help right away.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
So I'm a fan of Shador Sanders, And one of
the reasons I'm a fan is he had a terrible
online in college. He trailed in all the games, he
had no run game, and he completed seventy four percent
of his throws. So you played with arguably the most accurate,
consistently accurate quarterback, certainly the best bad weather thrower I've
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ever seen in Brady. And my thing is some guys
are accurate and some guys aren't. And like Cam was
never going to complete sixty eight percent, Anthony Richardson's not
that accurate. Like I watched the door and I'm like,
bro is running for his life trailing, so everybody knows
he's throwing seventy four percent. Like I don't believe you
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can go from inaccurate to really accurate. And so now
you can go from inaccurate to sixty one percent. But
in all your years, of all the backups, wasn't Garoppolo
accurate early?
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Yeah, he was very accurate.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
The thing was new quarterbacked.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
Yeah, I wasn't accurate as if I went to receiver
with Shador for me, it's not the accuracy. And you
look at all this, he was sacked the most the
last two years his career in college, he's been sacked
the most. Set a few records on that, which you
know a lot of times, yes, it's the offensive line's fault,
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but it's also you know it's it could be the
quarterback's fault.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
So a lot some of those can be on him.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
My number one thing with Shador is can he break
down the protections.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
He's not a mobile guy. He's a pocket passer. We
all keep on saying he's a pocket passer.
Speaker 8 (32:27):
So for me, if I'm a general manager, if I'm
a team, i want to see how good he is
with his protections because there's gonna be a day where
your left tackle can't He's not gonna be able to
block the guy across from him, so you're gonna have
to slide the protection.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
You're gonna have to get the ball out quicker. You're
gonna have to adjust your game.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
So him being able to adjust his game over these
last couple of years because of all the pressure, that
could help him, but it also could hurt him because
now he holds onto the ball too long. It's ultimately
going to come down to the offensive coordinator. He gets
paired up with that relationship and how he handles protections.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Brock Purty is trying to get a massive deal, and
the Niners have publicly stated we're not handing out cash
like we used to in your years in the NFL.
If a guy signs a deal and doesn't get what
he wants, is their resentment.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
I may have resented Bill every day in contract I signed.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Really, I mean, the.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
Usually a deal, usually they find a place where both
ends are happy.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
You were.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Generally you found a place.
Speaker 8 (33:40):
I found a place I understood I wasn't gonna you know,
for me personally, I always took team friendly ish deals
because I understood what I was a part of. I
understood that I'd have my most success in New England
because we were winning. I understood that. You know, if
I go to another team and that coaching staff gets
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and you're in the middle of nowhere and you ain't
making no money off the field, like I understood all
that when I was signing with New England. I think
that's a huge part of the evaluation process for the
player and the situation. A lot of the times guys
you know, want the biggest dollar. But you know, for instance,
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you look at like Darnold, he goes and he signs
with Seattle. I wonder what was the number that Minnesota
signed him for, because he's basically playing a one year
deal with the team that he doesn't know and he's
going to try to hit free agency.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Again and a defensive coach and a defensive coach.
Speaker 8 (34:39):
I would have took probably six seven million dollars less
to have my one year deal with Justin Jefferson and
Addison and a coach that knows how to call plays
for me if I'm going to try to hit it
again even if I wasn't going to be the guy
this year. You know, that's kind of what you're evaluating
as a player. It's not just the most money. If
that's your goal, there's other a ways to make the money.
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It's not always about doing on the field. So doing
it through your winning, through the community of where you're at,
and there's those are all part of that evaluation process
for the players.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
So you know that that's the real thing.
Speaker 8 (35:12):
What was that number that Sam Donald or the Minnesota
Vikings and Sam Donald didn't get.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I think most of the smart athletes get winning. Trump's
everything because when your career ends, you'll get more deals,
and the deals now on social media alone without a
seven figure deals without a doubt, casting deals without a doubt.
Speaker 8 (35:31):
So I think players should really take a look at
that when they're when they're looking at if their number
one goal is money, Okay, you got to look at
everything because when you win and you're a champion, you
make that money forever. You know, you may not make
the money up front like you're making when you're you know,
at a team that's four and thirteen and you guys
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don't make the playoffs, but you're the highest paid guy
in the league. You know, that's if that's your goal,
at your goal, but you could also make money the
other way.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Finally, I thought it was interesting Tom Brady was quoted.
Tom came out with it. This isn't speculation, he said. Eventually,
you know, I took a piece of paper and a
pen and I wrote down things that mattered to me
between Tampa and New England. And he acknowledges they had
really good receivers. That was really important. He's like, you know,
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also the coach was offensive, the weather was better. I
didn't want to play in cold weather, and he acknowledged,
he goes we reached a point where tension, it was inevitable.
How I had to leave, And I'll say this down.
I'll ask this because it's out there. Tom's acknowledging the tension.
Do you remember the first time, the first time I
knew Tom was leaving is when he screamed at the
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wide receivers get open, and it was on television. I thought, Okay,
I'm seeing publicly frustrated Tom with his personnel. That's why
I wasn't shocked when he went to Tampa. And he
also liked the chargers that had Keenan Allen in my Williams.
He wanted receivers. As you left, like it was like, okay,
gronk aged. Do you remember the first time you thought
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Tom's cranky today or Bill treated him away and you
just you.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Didn't like it, you know Bill? Bill was tough on everyone,
And I don't know.
Speaker 8 (37:20):
If I had my blinders on and I thought everyone
was on the same table, I may have.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
You know.
Speaker 8 (37:26):
So if he got into Tom, he got into Tom.
If he got into Vince, he got into Vince. If
he got into Ninkovic, he got into Ninkovic. You got
into Slater, got into Slater, but when it was Tom,
it was different. And the thing is, you Tom, he
had a really good poker face. Even when you could
tell when he had his feelings hurt or he was
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maybe a little frustrated with certain things, he didn't let.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
It affect him. And that's why he's an ultra leader.
Speaker 8 (37:56):
And that's why he's the greatest leader of all time,
you know what I mean, because we we all kind
of knew what was going on. He felt the tension,
but he didn't see it from Tom. He didn't show nobody.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
He didn't let it seep in.
Speaker 8 (38:10):
He didn't let it seep in. He went to work.
He was the same guy every day. He like, yes,
emotions in the game when he says, oh, get open, guys,
that's gonna happen. That's it's an emotional game. You're in
the heat of battle. But like, you didn't really see
any kind of frustration from Tom. And that's because he
always had I knew personally there were certain things, but
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you know, he never let everyone know. And and that's
that's what a good leader looks like.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Games with Names new episode every Tuesday.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Poka naku is on yours.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
You gotta tell him stop talking about retirement.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
I know, I agree you can't.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
I don't like it.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
I don't either. There's you know, I agree with you
on that.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
I think he's just being He was a little young,
got a little excited.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
In front of the microphone. You know. I'm telling you.
Speaker 8 (39:01):
Sometimes you get comfortable in the setting and you start
talking and you don't understand what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (39:07):
But you definitely don't want to tell an organization that
you you don't want to cap your career because.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Gms don't care about work life balance.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
No, they don't. They don't.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
They care about This is a production business, that's what
they say this is. And if he goes out he
balls and and does it, it's fine. But still you
just gotta loose sleeps loose lips, sink ships.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
Bro and careers and careers. Yeah, he'll be all right,
he'll be all right.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
They're all right. Julian Edelman, thanks buddy, good seeing you
live in LA.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
It's the hurt
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