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(00:24):
a Monday back from VAK, ready to roll live in
Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your Dave Jordan Schultz film in for Jmack this week.
Great to have you a lot of NFL stuff. Drafts
a couple of weeks away. I often tell my kids,
and I've said this before, Now they don't listen to me.
They used to kind of that the most important quality

(00:47):
anybody can have in life is resilience, even for the
greatest of all time, Michael Jordan. You saw the odyssey
and the struggles of Michael Jordan. Can't get to the Celtics,
can't get to the Pistons. Rory McElroy, a golf prodigy,
finally wins Augusta in his seventeenth trip.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Seventeenth trip.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Resiliency is the key to success in life, because it's
really hard, or everybody would be successful. And Rory McElroy
has two great qualities that make him so magnetic on television,
which is how most of us watched. Number One, he
is a wizard. He can make shots nobody else can.
It's a combination of Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson, Jack Nicholas.

(01:32):
He is a wizard bending a ball around trees and
laughing after hero shots can often look routine. And the
second quality he has he can buckle under pressure, hit
a wedge into a creek from one hundred and twenty
five yards away. As I watched yesterday, this was not
Rory against Justin Rose. It was not Rory against Bryson De'shambeau.

(01:56):
It was Rory McElroy against Rory McElroy. And that has
been the story of his career and why the crowd
was chanting in Augusta for Rory, not Justin Rose. What
player do you get hold a hole? Since twenty fourteen,
if he won this tournament, remarkably, it would be his
first major. And again, this is a kid that like

(02:19):
Tiger Woods, who was on the Mike Douglas Show when
he was three or four. Rory was on Ireland TV
hitting a golf ball into his mom's washer when he
was eight and nine years old. He's there, Tiger. He
is a prodigy. But Tiger was so great. He was
often robotic, never losing a lead on Sunday, in total command,

(02:40):
in total control. And yet with Rory he shares so
many of those traits, long off the tee, bending balls
around trees. But there are times when he played conservative yesterday,
not when he was in trouble. Oh he was great then,
but when he was conservative, he got into trouble. We

(03:00):
remember to the collapse at the US Open a year ago,
which makes him more fascinating, more vulnerable. He's not reckless,
he's not babbling demons. You just aren't quite sure what
you get. Putt to putt, wedge to wedge and off
the green despite all his talent. But when the green

(03:22):
was in sight and I thought it was so really,
this was so much. This was a perfect way for
him to win Augusta. This was a perfect way. Four
double bogies, most ever for a champion. That web shot
into the creek of course Rory McElroy would have to
go to a playoff hole. It symbolized yesterday and Saturday.

(03:48):
At the very best of his game, he pulls away
and then yet blows a four shot lead early yesterday.
He starts a little shaky, then he's strong, back to shaky,
then he then he's great and in the end the
winning putt was an emotional waterfall, proving once again, even

(04:08):
for the all time greats, it is about absolutely resilience overcoming.
It was not Rory against Augusta. It was not Rory
against Bryson or Justin Rose. It was Rory against Rory,
and the prodigy delivered and gets the jacket. Now Augusta
is the first major and this could be the Rory year,

(04:33):
or maybe it won't be, and that would be fitting too.
For the record, the British Open is in Northern Ireland,
one hour from where he grew up. Here's Rory on
Rory and Bryson on Rory.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
After this is my seventheenth time here and I started
to wonder if it would ever be my time, And
I think, you know, the last ten years, coming here
with the burden the Grand Slam on my shoulders and
trying to achieve that. There was a lot of pens
up of motion that just came out on that eighteenth green.

(05:08):
But you know, I said, you know, a moment like
that mix all the years and all the all the
close calls worth it.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
I wanted to cry for him. I mean, as a professional,
you just noted in the middle of the green and
I can't believe he went for it or it must
have just flirted it. But I've hit bat shots in
my career too, so it happens. And when you're trying
to win a major championship, especially out here Sunday Augusta,
the Masters, you have to you have to just do

(05:36):
it and get the job done and do it right.
There were times where it looked like he had full
control and times I was like, well, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (05:42):
And that is what makes Rory McElroy as fascinating as
anybody in golf. I've always said this about Michael Jordan.
Michael Jordan was the best looking. He'd be easy not
to like. He was the coolest, the style, the earring,
the smile, handsome, great, be easy not to like. But
you watched him struggle, so you were invested in the

(06:04):
journey with Michael. He wasn't the chosen one at sixteen,
he was cut by his high school coach. Lebron's less
likable Jordan's incredibly likable Tiger at times was robotic, great early,
dominating for a decade and chasing somebody like Lebron that
we loved Jack Nicholas. But Rory is different. There's a

(06:25):
little MJ there. We have watched the struggle. I'm hoping
Augusta is the first of many, but that ten year
gap so symbolizes what makes him so incredibly embraceable. Way
to go, Rory. All right, so yesterday NBA plans are
going to be interesting. East is set, Calves, Celtics are great.

(06:47):
West is all logjammed. So yesterday the Warriors need to
win biggest game of the year. They don't, and now
they're forced tomorrow to play a playing game.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
So listen.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
I think Jim Butler's a playmaker. He's tough, he gets
to the free throw line. He's good for Steph Curry.
But the honeymoon is over. He made more free throws
in Golden Satan Field goals since he's arrived. Okay, so
let's be realistic about it. Pat Riley does not move
off many players. Pat Riley's as good a personal guy
as the league has had in my life outside of
maybe Red Arbach, and they moved off him, and he's

(07:22):
got a shorter contract that it's not as punitive, not
as prohibitive as he wanted in Miami. But the reality is,
despite the fact that Jimmy Butler's made him relevant and
he's good for Steph, they've got a bigger problem once again.
A young warrior, Jonathan Kaminga did not play coaches decision,

(07:43):
James Wiseman, Jordan Poole, Jonathan Kaminga, an immature D'Angelo Russell.
Young guys, squarely guys or immature guys don't fit here.
If Kaminga gave you a twenty one a night and
could play at the same time as Steph Draymond Butler,
he'd be on the floor. But it tells you what

(08:03):
Kerr thinks of Kaminga and what he thought of Wiseman
and Jordan Poole and D'Angelo Russell was in and out
of town quickly. If you look at the history of
the dynasty, it's very much like the Patriots, Brady and
staph One overwhelming transcendent superstar to superstar who mostly plays
very very well with older players, Andrew Bogan, Andre Iguodala,

(08:26):
Kevin Durant.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
You can bring the old guys in here and it works.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
Now.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Jimmy Butler is an additive, there's no question. But because
cominga doesn't work when Draymond, Steph and Butler are all
on the floor, the question is what do we get
from Jimmy Butler. He's shooting about twenty eight percent from
three point territory and it looks like and the kaminga thing.
We were all kind of waiting off the injury to

(08:53):
see how it would work, and Steve Kerr made a
decision yesterday, I'm not even gonna play him. So it
looks like the ceiling is very apparent for the Warriors. Yes,
Jimmy Butler absolutely saved the regular season. He's relevant, a playmaker,
gets to the free throw line, tough, and help Steph.

(09:15):
Those are all boxes that are checked for Jimmy Butler.
But again, in this dynasty, like Brady just did not
work with young receivers.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Bring in Randy Moss its magic.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Bringing a Don Branch again, it works, but you draft
the kid in the first round, Nikhil Harry, Chad Jackson.
It doesn't work by Brady wants to win now. He's
not gonna be your babysitter. He's not gonna teach you
how to run routes. And with the Warriors offense, young
guys can struggle to find their footing and it looks

(09:48):
like Kaminga will not be part of the future, although
it seems like the only way they could win a
series a seven gamer against the Houston against the Lakers
would be a okay, see Houston if Kaminga played, but
yesterday not playing him, coach's decision tells you, now it's
not gonna work. Butler, Steven Draymond pods They're gonna have

(10:11):
a ceiling. Here was Jimmy on the playing game.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
We got a lot of really good basketball players. Run
this open room key and what we're trying to do.
I like the confidence that he has in myself. I
also have the same amount of confidence. So I know
that I and we have a job to do, and
I know they were capable of doing it.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
So playing here we come. Well.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Playing game is tomorrow against the Wizards again the Western Conference,
Oklahoma City pulled away Houston's a little bit ahead of
the group, but then it's Lakers. For the next four
or five teams were all very close playing game. I'll
take the Warriors over Memphis. I just don't trust the
Grizzlies in big spots. But quite a day yesterday watching golf,

(10:55):
I was thinking about this. There's been a handful of
moments in my life i've overwhelmingly and this is why
I supported the live tour.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
I watched for golfers.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
I don't watch for courses, but there is something magical
about a US Open at Pebble Beach. There is something
magical about Augusta and the undulating course and the challenges,
and we got all of it yesterday. I was talking
to Ryan on the staff this morning. I watched every
stroke like most of you did yesterday. I cannot remember

(11:26):
being on pins and needles for four hours. And that
was Rory right like when he pulled away early, there
was no tension, no tension, and then he quickly lost
that lead. Of course he did, because that's what makes
him such a wildly entertaining spectacle.

Speaker 7 (11:44):
Paul, what's so cool about Rory? You mentioned the resilience.

Speaker 8 (11:47):
How about what he said to his daughter in front
of everyone else. I know we'll probably get to it
in more detail later, but never give up on your dreams.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
Now.

Speaker 7 (11:56):
That was him in many ways talking to himself.

Speaker 8 (11:58):
He mentioned the decade long odyssey of trying to win
another major. For him to do it, and to complete
it in the manner in which he did, I personally
felt guilty to he choked, it's over when he went
to the playoff, especially Justin Rose having already lost one.

Speaker 7 (12:14):
I figured, that's it, this is Justin Rose.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
I felt the same way I felt. They go to
the narrowest, the narrowest gree fairway, and I thought, oh boy,
all right. But yet yesterday, if you watched Rory in
Saturday too, in some of those moments when you had
doubt he delivered, it was when he got conservative that
he at times buckled by the way this just came down.
Mike Budenholzer fired Phoenix Sun's head coach. We didn't love

(12:40):
the fit to start with, so he's on his way out.
There's a total rebuild there, personnel, roster coaching. Phoenix just
fired their head coach. Playoffs begin in earnest yes tomorrow,
Memphis and Golden State.

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Speaker 1 (14:09):
Dodgers can't hit. I go on vacation for ten days.
Dodgers can't hit. Don't know what it is. Albert Breer
top of Next Hour, Colin Wright, Colin wrong in a Monday,
So Draft week is next week. We talked a lot
about Rory McElroy and that led our show today and
probably let every sport show in the country just a
remarkable I was sitting there on Saturday morning. I went

(14:32):
out golfing because whenever golf is one of those sports
like I can watch basketball and not want to go
out and play basketball. I can watch football and not
want to go out and play football. But there is
something about golf is when I'm watching a great tournament,
I want to go to the practice ranger, I want
to go play with buddies. And I went out and
played and it was just you know, it's just a

(14:53):
topic of conversation how remarkable Rory is. And I think
it really does matter is that, like you know, Lebron
James will never be as popular as Michael Jordan, and
there's a lot of reasons for that, and that's not
necessarily a shot at him, but he was the chosen one.
And you know, there's so much Lebron. There's very few
secrets with Michael Jordan. He was sort of for the

(15:13):
most popular sports figure in America. He was kind of
private in his personal life. He didn't have Instagram, it
wasn't TikTok, it wasn't that generation. There was no googling YouTube.
And Michael Jordan again, people forget this that he won
as a freshman at North Carolina. He stayed at Carolina
for two years and one year couldn't even beat in
state rival n Z State, right, and then we saw

(15:36):
the Pistons and the Celtics tackle him. So you shared
in the pain and the journey and Michael crying when
he finally won his title. And that's what's great about Rory.
You know, there's a movie Goodwill Hunting, which almost all
of you have seen, and people come out to Hollywood
and they just forget how hard it is. It could
be David Letterman's story, it could be Michael Keaton's story.

(15:57):
It's affleck and dam and it took him over a
decade to sell that script and get that movie made.
And just watching at Augusta, the seventeenth trip for Europe's Tiger,
Europe's golf Prodigy took seventeen trips, and it's just once again,
it sort of is a reminder that success is really hard,

(16:19):
even for the gifted. When you watch that ten part
Michael Jordan documentary, remember watching that during COVID, Thank god
for that or I don't know how we would have
filled three hours. But I remember telling my kids he
was the best looking player, he was the best player.
He was in Chicago, a big city. The commissioner loved him,
Nike loved him. Everything was there for Michael, but he

(16:39):
was battling with a GM. The ownership was cheap. Rodman's
going to Vegas for weekends and disappearing. He couldn't win
with stan Olbrook or enough with Doug Collins. Then it's
Phil Jackson who asked him to be more of a
leader and trust teammates, so he did, and he finally won.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
But we all shared in Michael's journey. He wasn't the
chosen one.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
He wasn't a proud He was cut from high school
basketball team, he was the number three pick. And so
it just makes Michael more likable is that you saw
him get tackled by the Pistons for years and he
couldn't be those great Celtic teams. That's Rory. This kid
has been like he has been. I mean, it's so funny.
There's been so many because Tiger was so great that

(17:19):
you know, we were all waiting for the next Tiger
and it's like, guys, there's not going to be a
next Tiger.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
We were kind of lucky.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
In basketball where Kobe had a lot of the elements
and components of Michael cool, good looking, stylish. But with
with Rory McElroy, I think we've found about as close
to Tiger as you're going to get, which is an
athlete tough. But the difference is Michael was almost robotic.

(17:45):
He would never lose a lead. And that's why a
lot of people preferred Michelson and his story because Michelson
could be reckless and play himself out of a major.
I never feel with Rory it's reckless. He's just got
the kind of person and it's strange, but sometimes it
feels like he loses confidence.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
And so it was so fitting that he.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Had to go to a playoff hole and I didn't
think he was gonna win. I thought, no, it's Justin Rose.
You can tell it about when Justin was on the
thirteenth or fourteenth all You're like, and I know you're
all sitting there thinking, is Justin Rose, What a buzzkill?

Speaker 2 (18:21):
He's gonna win this thing.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
It's not gonna be de Shambeau, it's not gonna be
a role I'm not I have to sit here for
four hours and Justin Rose is gonna win it.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
And that's nothing against Justin.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Rose, but I was like, give me a break, what
a buzzkill, And so it was only fitting and so
maybe just my pessimism, I thought, oh this, well.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
This is heartbreaking.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
This is just heartbreaking, and then you know he hits
that drive, then approach shot, nails the putt. Just a
remarkable four hours of golf. I'm interested to see the
TV ratings today. Nobody cares, but I would guess by
the way the Master's app is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
I would guess the ratings are through the roof.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
It was just just I couldn't take my eyes. You
don't even have to be a golf fan. You don't
have to be a golf fan. That was just my shoulders.
I need a massage. My shoulders are tight. And it
was so absolutely appropriate that it went to a playoff
hole the quiet guy.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Justin Rose, and then here's Rory.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Had it lost it, had it tied it, playoff won
it and you just see that waterfall of emotion come out.
And I'll tell you just so emotional watching that. The
Augusta patrons, they they won't let you call it a
gallery if you're a broadcaster. And Jim Nansen, the CBS
crew tip of the cap, I thought you did a

(19:43):
remarkable job. Such great storyteller from your crew, you know
fifty years ago, Jack Nicholas, a great way to romanticize it.
Look at the tradition, but stay current. But the gallery
always has a favorite and it was very easy early

(20:03):
remember when it started out, and d Schambeau was given
high five to the gallery. And he's more of a
he's a slower player. And Rory likes. They're both power players.
For Rory likes to get up and go and move
and move, and d Chambeau has more pace, but they're
both big, powerful guys. So there was a feeling like
d Chambeau was going to like irritate uh Rory and
take his time and go back and look at things

(20:25):
and slow the pace. But d Chambeau, who by the way,
was great until yesterday on the greens, but his game's
a bit of a mess. It unraveled multiple times. He
had distance issues the whole weekend. But he was so
great on the greens until yesterday. He stayed around. Rory's
game was much much better. He just had weird holes

(20:47):
and weird shots. But early I thought the crowd was
into d Chambeau. But about the third or fourth or
fifth hole, they really pivoted to backing Rory, and I
thought it was just great.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
Great.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Always trust the Augusta crowd. They're giving you the vibe.
They're they're telling you what the energy is. They did this,
remember when Tiger won his last Masters or with Michelson.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
I always trust the patrons. They're telling you.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Just if you watch Augusta, they'll tell you the vibe
of the tournament by who they're pulling for. It was
deshambo Is. He came out. It's like a pro wrestler.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
He's high five and he's leaning into it. About the
third or fourth hole, everybody moved over to Rory and
it was great. Okay, So I promised I was gonna
do this.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
So it is not a great quarterback draft, but there's
about five or six guys that I think are worth
just addressing, and I'm just going to tell you lay
it out here, Ryan says. He assures me we're taping this,
it will be it's an archive, but I'm gonna give
you my feeling on six quarterbacks that everybody's talking about
in this draft. So the first guy's cam Ward, who

(21:58):
I do think offensive coach, good old line, weak division.
He's a playmaker, a super fluid athlete. He was a
no star recruit, by the way. He went to a
place called incarnate word, which sounds like a term of
philosophy professor uses and you never know what it means.
But it's a college no star recruit. I think in

(22:19):
that division, with that staff and that offensive line, he's
a playmaker.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
He'll win games. Is he transformational?

Speaker 1 (22:25):
I don't know, plays a lot of hero ball, but
there's something there and he should be your number one
quarterback prospect. Shador Sanders. I like him more than NFL
general managers. He's a very smart decision maker and super
composed and accurate. But he's not He doesn't have a
huge arm, he doesn't have a lot of physical traits

(22:46):
that are impressive, and he gets sacked a lot in college.
Some of that's old line, some of it he holds
it too long. My take is he will be as
good as the coaching staff and his protection. So if
he gets the staff the offensive coach, it'll be fine.
If not, it won't be much to write home about.

(23:06):
Number three is Jackson dart Folks. I see Zach Wilson
with the Jets. His best games were against Duke Georgia,
Southern and Furman. At Zack Wilson, he's impressive, good looking kid,
confident under Lane Kiffin's system, but in big games, wasn't
consistently accurate, wasn't great with pressure. Also, Ole Miss has

(23:29):
big time talent. So this fields like Zach Wilson, where
he's gonna blow you away with his confidence. He's got
a little bit of an arm, but he was inaccurate
in big games. I don't think he sees the field
particularly well. I don't think he's an anticipation thrower where
I think Shador Sanders is. So I don't see it,

(23:50):
but he'll get drafted in the first round enough GMS
like it. Jalen Milroll, Alabama, great kid, physical specimen. He
is too mechanical to ever be a professional quarterback. But
I do think he's a much better version of Anthony Richardson. Again,
he's inconsistent. You know you're getting in the fifty percent

(24:11):
completion percentage on third and fourth down in the NFL.
If you're not good in the two minute drill or
on third down when everybody knows you're throwing, you're not
a franchise quarterback for very long. But I do think
because he's such a good kid, he's such a hard worker,
and he throws, he's got some unbelievable traits. Somebody's gonna
give him a chance to start in this league. But again,

(24:32):
he's really mechanical. He's not terribly fluid, and I think
there's limitation Tyler shuck out a Louisville don't get it.
Too many injuries in college, big kid who can throw it.
Looks the part. But remember he's older than Trevor Lawrence
right now. So the college kids that stay in college forever.

Speaker 12 (24:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Again, he's going to be twenty seven here pretty quickly
or playing against twenty year olds and twenty one year olds.
So a little overvalued to me. Kyle McCord at Syracuse,
who I've been saying now for three months.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
I think he's the sleeper.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Good in big games, anticipation, thrower, moves well enough, accurate,
highly productive at Ohio State, had that win against Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
I like him.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
I think there's an argument he's the second best quarterback
in this class. Kyle McCord at Syracuse, formerly of Ohio State.
He's my sleeper. Cam's the best, and Shadeur will be
as good as where he lands, all right. Colin Wright,
Colin Wrong on a Monday. Good to be back live
in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
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Speaker 1 (25:42):
Oh here we go, hour two. It is a Monday
live in Los Angeles.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
It's the Herd.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Wherever you may be, and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making out the part of your day so interesting.

Speaker 5 (25:56):
I had.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I was in Chicago over the weekend. You know, they're
all fired up about.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
The Bears, Jordan Schultz joining us up, and a lot
of people are asking about Aaron Rodgers, who will be
in our right and wrong? And I think Aaron is
being very smart and calculated. He's going to wait for
the draft and figure out where the domino's fall. He's
not going to do a Kirk Cousins sign with a
team and then the team drafts a quarterback. It's like,
what's the point. So I think, I actually think Aaron Rodgers.

(26:24):
And I told everybody said, my take is the Steelers
is fool's gold. He knows that defensive culture. And so
it's and here we are waiting for Aaron Rodgers, which
again it's his last team, so I don't blame him.
If it's your last job, your last contract, take your time,

(26:45):
say no to a bunch of people. All right, we
do it every Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong? And here
we go where Colin was right. The joker, Nikola Jokic
after Kareem second best center. I've ever seen his numbers.
This year, third player ever to average a triple double.
Totally authentic. He didn't work the stats. He just had

(27:07):
his best season ever thirty twelve and ten. He kept
the franchise afloat. I don't know if they have another title.
But the truth is because optics and artistic impression matters
in the NBA, that he's not wildly popular because his
game sometimes is a little clunky and awkward. But takeout

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Kareem that's the best center in league history where Colin
was raw. I thought the Warriors would find themselves with
the number two or number three seed, but Jimmy Butler
just didn't provide enough offense and cominga doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
They lost three of their last five.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
They got eaten alive yesterday in overtime by James Harden
and the Clippers, And I gotta say I was wrong
on this. I thought they'd end up because of their experience,
Butler getting the team to the free throw line, and
they're added toughness, but in the end, they've got limitations,
and they don't know what the hell to do with
Kaminga because he doesn't play well with Draymond or Butler

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where they're on the floor.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
So I was wrong on the Warriors, where Colin was right.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
The Suns missed the playoffs, Katie makes another poor decision
and Mike Budenholzer gets fired. I appreciated the swing, but
let's be completely frank about this. Kevin Durantz won two
playoffs series in five years since he left the Warriors,
and he is just too remarkable an NBA player for

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that to be true. I hated the move away from
Golden State. Everybody said he just wants to ball, but
he's now just become a really talented, bounce around the
league guy, which is beneath him.

Speaker 13 (28:42):
Where Colin was raw.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
The Clippers are in the playoffs. I didn't love the
Kawhi extension. He's been on fire. I didn't like letting
Paul George go. His season was a mess. James Harden
I was done with.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Boy was he good yesterday?

Speaker 1 (28:57):
He played great down the stretch, and this team suddenly
on fire. Kawhi Leonard is playing. He's great.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
He's a get a bucket guy and yesterday Warriors couldn't
stop him. Clippers are now in the playoffs, so I
didn't like all their moves. They've got a lot of older.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Guys and sometimes older guys just don't treat the regular
season in the NBA with a great deal of urgency.
But they got a great coach and played with some
of it down the stretch.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
And here we are where Colin was right.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
I always said, Jahn Morant is going to be Dereck Rose,
a small guy that can't shoot that will force him
to score at the rim, and he's going to get
banged up and have injuries. Add in immaturity. He's in
trouble with the league again for some hand grid.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Aide, you know, a move.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Which didn't bother me much, but it is what it is.
And Jahn Morant has sort of become what we predicted,
fun to watch, but I'm not going to build my
franchise around him as a number one. And injuried if
you're under six three Wall Russell Westbrook, a Jah Morana,

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Derrick Rose, and you're not a great perimeter shooter, well
you've got to score at the rim?

Speaker 2 (30:10):
What does that mean? Collisions? What does that mean? Injuries?

Speaker 1 (30:14):
So the way it always works where Colin was raw,
I think Shador Sanders in a bad quarterback draft is
good enough to go two or three, But the odds
out of Vegas, say the Saints with a number nine
pick and the Steelers with a number twenty one pick.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
That's where he's going.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
So now I would agree that he doesn't have a
lot of special he didn't have a big arm, he's
not super mobile. But I do think there's value in
the fact that he's accurate composed. His dad was a
pro athlete and he did not have a good old
line or a run game at Colorado, so he has
had to initiate offense. And let's be honest when you
look at how bad the O line was, the fact

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that he completed seventy four percent of his throws and
he actually played really well in games against really good
teams with much better players. So I think he's a
little bit better than the NFL people think. But he's
moving down according to the odds makers.

Speaker 13 (31:04):
Where Colin was right.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
I told you Aaron Rodgers doesn't buy Pittsburgh. It's fools,
gold defensive coach, two needy receivers, battle line, Los Nagee Harris,
and here we are. Aaron Rodgers is just waiting it out.
I think it's the right move. I believe he wants
to go to San Francisco if the pretty contract doesn't work,
or Minnesota. I think he's right to want that. I

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think Aaron's too smart to make an impulsive, dumb decision.
And I don't buy Pittsburgh for Aaron Rodgers. I think
at his core he's an NFC North or a West
Coast guy. He's got a beautiful place in Malibu, trains
in Thousand Oaks. I don't think he should sign with Pittsburgh.
I never thought he would sign with Pittsburgh, or at

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least didn't feel that way with great conviction. And I
think he's making the right move where Colin was raw.
I thought the Dodgers roster, especially the batting order, maybe
the greatest since the seventy five Cincinnati Reds. They're hitting
two twenty five. They're third in their division. They lost
sixteen nothing to the Cubs Saturday. They lost their third

(32:10):
straight series. They're not hitting at all.

Speaker 13 (32:12):
Now.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
This is a little bit on brand for the Dodgers,
who tend to pick up steam midseason and beyond. And
they did just win the World Series, and there is
no real urgency in one hundred and sixty two game schedule,
but they're struggling in the bullpen, and they are struggling
at the plate, hitting only to twenty five, which is eighteenth.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Maybe they need more torpedo bats.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Whatever it is, the Dodgers are playing or hitting particularly well.
Colin Wright Colin wrong on a Monday and with that
Albert Breer Monday Morning quarterback joining his Live. So, I mean,
I want to touch on the Aaron Rodgers thing. And
I think Aeron's a smart guy. And I think when
you're gonna sign your last deal in any profession, that

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saying no was powerful and making the right decision. Aaron's
not desperate. He's got a lot of money. And I
said this two weeks ago. You don't want to do
a Kirk Cousins where you rush and then your team
drafts a quarterback. I kind of like what Aaron's doing.
I think he wants to play in Minnesota. Actually, what
do you make of the drama? Do you think the

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Steelers are upset? Where do we sit now with Aaron's
choice and where are the Steelers? Well?

Speaker 12 (33:28):
No, I think you're right on Aaron wanted to play
in Minnesota. Call and you know the Vikings have been
told as much. And so the Vikings made the decision
that they are going to at the very least give
JJ McCarthy the entire spring and see where he's at
at the end of that. There's obviously some unknown coming
back off the knee injury. He lost four months of

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development time. They still think very highly of him, but
you know, like they again are dealing with a bit
of an unknown here. And the problem for Aaron now
is are you banking on that? Are you banking on
a young guy not playing to his potential over the
course of the next two months.

Speaker 13 (34:06):
That's not really a plan.

Speaker 12 (34:08):
Meanwhile, you have the Steelers, who you know, have been
patient to this point, but do you get to the
start of OTAs in May, and now you're talking about
a team that's really got to get a quarterback in there,
because that's not a rebuilding group, like that's a team
with a bunch of win now players like t J.
Watt and make A Fitzpatrick and DK Metcalf and Cam
Hayward and so on and so forth. So the timing

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of this is a little wonky because the Steelers timetable
is completely different.

Speaker 13 (34:33):
Than the Vikings timetable.

Speaker 12 (34:35):
And if he were to walk away for the Steelers
and say the Steelers trade for Kirk Cousins at the
beginning of May, and that option.

Speaker 13 (34:42):
Comes off the table. Well, he's not guaranteed that the
Vikings option will be.

Speaker 12 (34:46):
There in the middle of June, so it's a little
bit of a weird spot to be in.

Speaker 13 (34:50):
I do think he wants to play.

Speaker 12 (34:51):
He's given you know, he's given people get the Jets's indication.
He's give him the Steelers this indication that he does
want to play in twenty twenty five. I don't think
retirement's completely off the table, but you know, the way
his option is set up right.

Speaker 13 (35:06):
Now is with some wonkey timing.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
You know, I look at this quarterback class and usually
I'm so fired up for the draft and and I'll
watch every like the Masters yesterday, I'll watch it.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
I'll watch the whole weekend.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
And I do think cam Ward is a pretty obvious
number one pick.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
But tell me the momentum of it.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
You know, as we get to the draft, sometimes you
get impulsive owners, impulsive general managers. I could see Cleveland.
I said this, whenever you inherit or get a bad
quarterback deal like a Russell Wilson and denvig Or Deershaun Watson.
The way out of it is draft a quarterback and
hit on him, or trade down and just accumulate a

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bunch of picks and hit on him, so you have
cheap labor for four to five years. I could see
Cleveland just literally trading down, getting twelve draft picks and saying,
our only way out of this, we'll get Kyle McCord
in the second round.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
We got to get cheap.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
I mean, Cleveland to me is the team I can
see taking a huge trade down. Swing your thoughts on that,
is there a team that that scenario will for.

Speaker 12 (36:17):
So here's the problem, and I think this is sort
of a logistical issue when it comes to trading around
in the top of the first round of this draft,
is you have two guys that are seen as far
above the rest of the class when we're talking about
non quarterbacks in Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter. After that,
I mean, there are twelve fifteen players that a lot

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of teams see is virtually the same, and all those
guys might have been the fifteen, sixteen, seventeenth pick in
last year's draft. So if you're a Cleveland you're looking
at it and you're saying, well, if we trade down
to say five or six or seven, that's the equivalent
of trading down to fifteen or twenty last year.

Speaker 13 (36:56):
Well, then you're gonna want that sort of value coming back.

Speaker 12 (36:58):
And if you're going to pay that print for a
non quarterback, like, do you view Travis Hunter or a
Carter worthech to come up for.

Speaker 13 (37:07):
So I just think that the.

Speaker 12 (37:11):
Logistics of the way the class sets up is going
to make it difficult to move around in the top
of the first round. I don't think Cleveland's going to
take a quarterback second. Overall, my guest would be right
now Travis Hunter. If not, I'm almost certain it would
be abduall Carter and then they'll double back in the
quarterback position in the second or third round. I think
they'd be open to the idea of moving back, but

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I think it would take a lot for another team
to come up from even the bottom of the top ten.
And you know, if that team's looking at coming out
for Carter Hunter, I don't know that they would pay
a quarterback premium to come up and do that.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
So Nico Iamaliava, quarterback at Tennessee, says, Hey, that guy
at duke that just transferred from Tulane. He's making four million.
I want four million to play for Tennessee And so
now they'll probably be a bidding war whether he's worth
that or not. Tennessee drives one hundred and forty nine
million dollars in revenue last year. There's about six programs.
Ohio State's one of them, Tennessee Georgia. They just drive

(38:09):
massive numbers Texas Football and I listen, I blame the
NC DOUBLEA, not the kid. The reason that UFC has
grown in boxing has largely died is let's be honest,
it's the people at the top. It's Dana White and
no governing body that you could depend on in boxing.
And so I think this is on the NC DOUBLEA.
They've been playing catch up with the NIL. There's not

(38:30):
enough guardrails and guidelines and rules. I don't blame the kid,
but when you talk to people about this and he
manned up a buckuy, who knows, I mean, he's going
to have a market. Would this Does this hurt him
in the eyes of the NFL?

Speaker 12 (38:45):
I would say yes, And it's not like any sort
of death nail. But I think from a developmental standpoint,
You know, you do question what this is going to
look like. He's already through spring practice, so he's going
to be jumping on a moving train with another team.
He was a good, not great player at Tennessee last year.
He's got talent, yes, but does that mean he's going

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to be a fifth or sixth round pick or a
fifth or sixth pick in the draft. I think a
lot of that is still to be determined because he
is so young and he doesn't have a lot of experience. Then,
of course, there's the bigger picture question here, which is
if this guy gets to a point three years into
his career, four years into his career, where he's not
happy with his contract, how quickly does he start making

(39:29):
noise about that? Because this isn't the first time we've
heard about this sort of stuff from Nico. It actually
happened the first time when he was in high school.
How are you going to manage the people around him?
Those would be questions for any player, and those questions
are asked at a higher level when you're talking about
the guy who's supposed to be the tone setter for
your entire organization at quarterbacks. So yeah, I mean I

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think this does affect the way that the NFL will
look at Nico. Obviously, a lot's going to ride on
however he plays at UCLA or wherever else he want,
lines up and and and a big part of it
is because he is a quarterback, and because quarterbacks are
held to a higher standard. So I think there's a
whole set of new questions that NFL teams would have

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for Nico that.

Speaker 13 (40:15):
They didn't have a week ago.

Speaker 12 (40:17):
Now, you know that said, The good news is he
still has one, two, three more seasons to clean all
that up. You'll have a full draft process to take
care of it whenever he comes out, you know. But
certainly it just feels to me like the waters have
gotten a little bit more murky on what this kid
would be as an NFL prospect.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
I'll be honest, I watched a lot of Tennessee football games.
I like him. I think he's super talented.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
I think he I think, you know, like he's like
it's like watching a young NBA prospect where you're alike,
he didn't have his jumper down, but boy, there's a
lot there.

Speaker 12 (40:48):
Well he's here's a good example, this is what cam
Ward was last year. Like there were a lot of
these things going on with cam Ward with his transfer
from Washington State to Miami last year, and there were
all a lot of people around him and a lot
of questions with that. Right he played so well it
didn't matter. Like if he had come out last year,
he probably would have been a fifth or sixth round pick.

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You saw the flashes of what he wound up becoming
at Miami, but they were few and far between. He
got around better teammates and a better program, and all
of a sudden he became way more consistent with what
he was doing. And now that NFL teams have had
the chance to sit down with him and talk with him,
they've become more comfortable with them. Obviously, the Titans are
pretty comfortable with where they're at potentially taking him first. Overall,

(41:31):
so you can come out of this and look great,
but it takes handling the situation the way cam Moore did,
and whether or not Dico can do that remains to
be seen.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
By the way, the.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Of all the movement, and you know, social media has
created some cryptic posts and their TJ.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Watt had a little bit of one, and I.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Don't think this is crazy to say this I have
suggested this is that I think the Kansas City and
Rams Mall is kind of the way to do it,
which is, pay for your offense, draft your defense. You
can pay for a great pass rusher, a Miles Garrett
or maybe a TJ. Watt or a Chris Jones, but
mostly keep your defense young and twitchy. That side of

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the ball gets hurt more. Keep them young and athletic.
Pay for your quarterback, left tackle, star receiver, center. You
know Bears doing this, By the way, they paid some
money for offense, and I think it will pay dividends.
The STEELERSTI Cincinnati, like, that's the way to me, is
the way to do it is, let just draft defense.
When you see the little cryptic TJ. Watt social media post,

(42:40):
generally that stuff has legs.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
I'm sorry, but there is a smoke fire thing.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
The w family isn't going to just make stuff up
to tweet their employer.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
What did you make of that?

Speaker 12 (42:53):
Well, one thing I've learned is to never not pay
attention to this right because, I mean, these guys are
these guys are so cognizant of it. I mean, at
this point, most of the guys in the NFL grew
up with it, right like, grew up with social media
in a way that that you and I didn't, Colin,
and so they're very savvy and have an understanding that
everything they say and do is going to have a reaction,

(43:14):
especially somebody who's been in the NFL for as long
as TJ.

Speaker 13 (43:17):
Watt has. So I think you'd be dumb not to
look at this.

Speaker 12 (43:21):
And and and and think that this isn't some kind
of message that he's trying to send to the Steelers
that said, when you flip over you open your calendar book,
what does it say? It says April, right like. So
they've still got a lot of time to work this out. Obviously.
I think it's it's like a little bit of a
window into where the Steelers are. And I think it's

(43:42):
part of why Aaron Rodgers does match up well with
the rest of the makeup of the roster and much
better than he did with the Giants. And you and
I have talked about this before. The Giants were basically
asking Aaron Rodgers to do what the Jets asked him
to do, which was lift a group of young players
up and take a group of young players to the
next level. Whereas with the Steelers, he's got a bunch

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of players who are as close to peers as you're
going to get for Aaron Rodgers in the NFL, and
guys like Watt and Fitzpatrick and Hayward and Metcalf, guys
who are on.

Speaker 13 (44:12):
Their third contracts are in their thirties.

Speaker 12 (44:15):
And again, like this is sort of a window into
where the Steelers are the way the Watts situation is
playing out, where you know, you've got a lot of
guys that are in the last bite of the apple
or are are looking to win right now, and so
you know, the Steelers obviously have a lot to work
through here.

Speaker 13 (44:32):
I'd assume the T. J. Watt thing gets taken care
of in time.

Speaker 12 (44:35):
This is in an early warning shot that things might
not be in a great place, but they've got a
lot of time to work that out, and I think
getting some clarity at the quarterback position will probably help
walk it a little bit more comfortable with signing up
for some more in Pittsburgh as well.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
All right, Albert Breern on Monday, appreciate you stopping by
my man.

Speaker 13 (44:53):
All right, thanks Collin.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Yeah, the I think the Tennessee kids really talented I
just think the reality is he's got some lever. And again,
when you're at these Ohio States and Tennessee and the
school makes one hundred and fifty million, the coach is
making twelve, got coordinators making a million and a half
on the defensive side, and he's like, I'm the quarterback.
Duke's got a guy from Tulane making four. I think
he's a really talented kid. He's again, he's young. He's

(45:15):
just it's I mean, very few NBA prospects come into
the league as great shooters, great athletes and great shooters.
Very few guys coming to the NFL refined like they've
got talent. But you know, it's just it's it's I mean,
go look at Brady's growth or Joe Montana's growth, or
it's just the reality of it. When I watched Nico play,
I'm like that kid. I mean, he sees the field
well when we show even those tapes we show, he

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can see the whole field. He's got a nice arm,
he's got a good touch. He was just against good team.
This defense. Tennessee was sort of led by its coaching
and its defense, not its offense.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
But that's because he's the kid.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
But if you watch him play, he moves well, got
great size, you know, he's got a whip of an arm.
He's just really inconsistent. But again, this was a team
that was built on defense. So but this idea that, oh,
he doesn't deserve it? What does deserve mean? What does
that mean? Deserve it? I mean I'm in front of

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the camera. What do I deserve? What do my producers deserve?
I don't even know what that. I don't know what
earn or deserve mean. He's a quarterback who led his
team to the playoff in an unbelievable football conference as
a kid with very you know, little big game college experience,
and he was inconsistent when I watched him. But would

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you be shocked if he came back and lit it
up and did a cam Ward and next year we're
talking about this kid at another program. If he went
to an Ohio State or a you know wherever he goes,
and all of a sudden you look up and you're
I mean, if Kyle McCord can leave Ohio State and
lead ncublea football in passing yards, this kid can play.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
You can say what you want.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
You don't have to love the timing, and you don't
have to love his dad's advice.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
I totally get that.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
But until the NC double A, you know, bargains this
out and figures it out and puts in rules and guidelines,
you're gonna see more of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Don't blame the kid.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
What's the saying, don't hate the player, hate the game,
or you know whatever, the player hate the game. Yeah,
so the game by the NC double A is an
inept leadership group that has been playing catch up with
a transfer portal in the NIL And remember ten years
ago one of the biggest debates in sports was is

(47:24):
Pete Rose should he ever get into the Hall of Fame?
And should you pay college football players? Those were the
two big yes yes. And I mean when I was
doing this fifteen years ago, if it was a slow day,
that got the phones going. So the NC DOUBLEA had
fifteen years to figure this out. Then California passes legislation.
Then here comes the avalanche, and the NCUBA has been

(47:44):
playing catch up ever since.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
So you can tell me who he is.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
You don't have to love his timing, but I'd rather
do this in April than August. I mean, it's Tennessee
they'll go spend two and a half million on somebody.
And I don't blame Tennessee for moving off the kid,
but I saw, well, the kids overrated the kid. It's
really talented. I mean, ers Manning could go number one
right now. I don't even know if ers Manning's good.
I mean out he backed up Quinn Yours, who I

(48:08):
think is average. So I mean, who knows who's good.
They're all kids.

Speaker 7 (48:12):
It's not the player, it's not the program. It's the system.

Speaker 8 (48:15):
Yes, that is broken and really will be broken until
they have a healthy CBA.

Speaker 5 (48:20):
Like the NFL.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Now Tennessee is the southern Ohio state. They'll figure it out.
It's a football program with a lot of drama and
a lot of cash and a lot of capital. They'll
figure it out. But you know, I just saw a
lot of people crushing the kid and his dad. Well,
of course kid listens to his dad.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
And this is the you.

Speaker 13 (48:39):
Know, this is the new era.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
If I, for instance, what if I worked in a
world where I didn't have a contract with Fox and
I was just just hey, I saw the other guys
sign for that. I'm not showing up for tomorrow's show.
I don't think I would do that, but a system.
This is why the NFL has got everything collectively bargained. Yes,
you have all these guard rails college sports.

Speaker 8 (49:04):
I mean, it really is the first official holdout in
college history. And for it to happen at a signature
program with a signature quarterback who was a Blue Chipper,
that's why we're talking about it.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Remember Rick Patino, Tom is On and John Calipari when
they lost in the tournament, they were literally asked, well
the portal open today.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Cali parties didn't even know. He started laughing. He's like,
Izzo didn't care, and Calipari didn't know, and Rick Patino
was infuriated.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
So it's like, you got to get this stuff right before.
We just blame coaches and players the system. I mean,
you see countries collapse, it's not because of the people,
it's because of usually allows a government inefficiency upstairs. That's
why the Cleveland Browns aren't the Eagles. You can blame
the coaches and the players, blame the owner. Why are

(49:56):
the Rams so well running? Arizona's not. I mean, I
love mcveah, but if you put Vey in Arizona, he
wouldn't be Sean McVay.

Speaker 9 (50:03):
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Speaker 1 (50:12):
Rick Buker drops in today Fox Sports NBA analysts love
having him in today because the Warriors yesterday, the honeymoon
with Jimmy Butler, it felt like it hit a ceiling.
We were talking about this about if you look at
the Dynasty, Steve Kerr's first data now boga Iguadala, veteran

(50:34):
players have worked k D. They've just all kind of
worked younger players Wiseman, Jordan Poole, Jonathan Kaminga. I keep
waiting and the just Steve Kerry yesterday in the biggest
game of the year is like, yeah, we're not going
to play it.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
It kind of told me that in the end. And
I've compared it to Brady and the Patriots. They did
great getting players that were already in the league that
last seventy eight years with Tom and Belichick. They couldn't
draft to save their life because the system was so sophisticated,
was so set that for you to work your way
in the ecosystem. At twenty three, I look at Kaminga

(51:11):
not playing, and it's like a message going forward that
they're going to move him and this thing probably this
year as a ceiling.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (51:19):
No.

Speaker 14 (51:20):
The difficulty is that when you have the opportunity to
draft lottery type players like James Wiseman, like Kaminga, you're
getting players that have been stars and that have had
the ball in their hands, and then the.

Speaker 15 (51:36):
Ecosystem revolves around them.

Speaker 14 (51:39):
If you're coming to the Warriors or you're coming to
say any team with Lebron James, you're going to be
part of the ecosystem, but the ecosystem is not built
around you.

Speaker 15 (51:49):
You're finding your place.

Speaker 14 (51:51):
That's why a Brandon Pajemski will work with the Warriors.
They get playing time where Jonathan Kaminga does not. Because Pajemski,
at one point in.

Speaker 15 (51:59):
College was not a star. He was a role player,
the guy.

Speaker 14 (52:03):
So he understands what it takes to play that role
and how can I be effective?

Speaker 15 (52:08):
How can I still be a player that matters?

Speaker 14 (52:11):
But I'm playing off of Steph Curry, I'm playing off
of Jimmy Butler, and so that's been the issue. That's
why Kevon Looney got the minutes that normally maybe Jonathan
Cominga would get Now, some of it was match up
too with the Clippers and the size, but the other
part was Steve.

Speaker 15 (52:30):
And this is with coaches in general.

Speaker 14 (52:32):
If I know what I'm going to get from you,
specifically on this day, consistently, I'm going to play you
over the guy who might give me the electric performance,
but he also might not fit the bill. And this
is a game that, as we saw, went down to overtime,
went down to a last possession. And actually in this case,

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it wasn't an ancillary player that.

Speaker 15 (52:58):
Screwed it up. It was the star players.

Speaker 14 (53:01):
I mean, the reason the Warriors lost that game is
because Steph Curry had eight turnovers and because Draymond Green
couldn't hit a layup at a crucial time. But generally,
what you're going to do is you're going to build
your team. You have your stars, and you need those
ancillary players, and veteran players generally know how to play
those roles and find their spot. And young players, particularly

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in today's game, are all about while they need the ball, well,
you're not going to get the ball when Steph Curry's
on the floor.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
So Budenholzer got fired today. Malone got fired last week
for the Nuggets. I think Denver's in a fascinating place.
They have the world's best basketball player, then they have
three other good players making great money, not a lot
of draft capital, and I kind of feel like they're trapped.
And Yannis became more western eyes got more outspoken the

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longer he was in the league.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
But I think.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Jokicic likes kind of hiding in the Rocky Mountain region.
He doesn't feel like a table pounder to me. I
think he likes scoring. He's got his money, he's got
a ring, he's got his legacy, and the minute the
season's over, he's back to Europe. So I kind of
feel like, and this happens more than it doesn't, that
dynasties are infrequent. Winning one with lu Al Sinder, one

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with Yannis, one with Jokic is much more common than
winning several with Duncan, And I feel like Denver is
kind of trapped and maybe they'll just become the Bucks
with Yannis. One great team, several very good teams with
the transformative player. But this is they're just kind of stuck.

Speaker 14 (54:28):
There's a lot of similarities between the two and in
that they won a championship, and then they.

Speaker 15 (54:33):
Paid their core players.

Speaker 14 (54:35):
Yes, but you win championships as much off of having
a great core but also having great complimentary players. And
Denver let Kntavius called will Pope go, They let Bruce
Brown go, They live Je Screen go.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Really valuable guys and sometimes you get.

Speaker 14 (54:52):
Lucky and you can replace as the as the Warriors
kind of did when they came back and won the
championship in twenty two, Wiggins Wiggins Jordan Poole gave them
something like they found some young guys who could play
well enough and fill those roles. Well, the Bucks haven't
been able to do that in finding any young players.

Speaker 15 (55:15):
They're still searching.

Speaker 14 (55:15):
That's why you go trade for a Kyle Kuzma, and
the Denver Nuggets with Christian Brown and Peyton Watson just
haven't evolved. And then you had the whole Michael Malone
situation where everybody was flatlining as a result of the
toxicity around that franchise, and it was largely hidden by

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They still were winning enough, largely off of Nikola Jokic
being what he's been, but as soon as they started losing,
they went eight and eleven.

Speaker 15 (55:45):
It was like everybody's miserable.

Speaker 14 (55:48):
Our GM and our head coach don't get along and
have created to this toxic situation before. If we're gonna
have any chance of doing anything, like we still believe
our core and the West is wide open, Like we
have a shot. Let's go ahead and rip the bandaid
off and see if it will change, because David Adaman

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is a completely different dynamic.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Everybody's going to take the Lakers over the Tea Wolves
and you have three play initiators and Luca Lebron and
Austin Buckets will it's easier to run that offense because
three guys can kind of take it over two or
generally always on the floor, sometimes three, whereas Julius Randall,
Rudy Gobert the ball can get stuck in their offense
at times.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
I would take the Lakers to win it.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
What do you think the matchup looks like for the
t Wolves in Los Angeles.

Speaker 14 (56:34):
It's the thing that the Timberwolves have where I think
that they can make it a series, a competitive series.
Is that with Jay McDaniels and with Julius Randall and
with Naz Reed, they can match up with the Lakers
small ball lineup That's where the Lakers are an X

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factor because you have three playmakers in and Luca and Austin.
How do you defend them? Do you have quality defenders
to put on each one of them? And I believe
that the Timberwolves Timberwolves do. The big question is going
to be, to your point, offensively, can they maintain a flow?

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Can they keep you know, does does Aunt decide I'm
going to try to take over and forces the issue.

Speaker 15 (57:24):
I don't think he's quite there yet, right.

Speaker 14 (57:27):
Is Mike Conley still vital enough because he's sort of
there organized, he's the guy who gets everybody involved, he.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Gets the offense, he gets him into the offense.

Speaker 14 (57:37):
Yes, can can he still give you enough at this point?

Speaker 15 (57:41):
At this age?

Speaker 2 (57:42):
There's more? Quite?

Speaker 1 (57:43):
When I look at this series, I have more answers
with the Lakers offensively, I have questions and maybe one
answer with the t Wolves offensively, oh one hundred percent.

Speaker 14 (57:52):
The one thing that Minnesota has though is defensively they
can be really good and and the other part that's
kind of what raises the question is you know, everybody
looks at the Lakers and goes, well, they're not the
same team they were six weeks ago, like they're a
different team. So are the Minnesota Timberwolves. Like they went
on a I think fifteen to four run to put

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themselves in this position. They've been playing much much better.
The whole question is going to be.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
For me?

Speaker 14 (58:20):
Really comes down to the maturity of Anthony Edwards. Yeah,
we saw how Luca took him down last year. Will
that happen again?

Speaker 1 (58:29):
The Knicks over the last three years have become a
very patient franchise. They were very impulsive for years with
James Dolan seeking stars and relevance. I do not feel
they are that franchise. I think they're patient the Villanova Corps,
but I do think they have hit. When you watch
them against Cleveland or Boston, it's very clear this won't

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be the answer. So you can be patient. At some point,
you got to pay the bills.

Speaker 5 (58:57):
Here.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
We all know they need another sho maker, not necessarily
a creator, a shot maker. KD could be a fit.
What do the Knicks have to because my thing is
they'll win a playoff series? Do they have to win
a second for Tims to keep his job?

Speaker 14 (59:15):
They have to be competitive in the second round. I
think everybody looks at.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Take Cleveland seven. He keeps the job.

Speaker 14 (59:22):
Yeah, yeah, I think, and and the team doesn't completely
break down like it did against Indiana last year. But
to your point, you're right. I mean, this is their ceiling,
and part of it is whether it's creator or playmaker.
The problem is that you're asking Jalen Brunson to be both,
and at his size and physicality, it just doesn't work.

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You're asking that he is a wonder and he's making
the most out of what he has. And I love
him as a player, great face of the franchise, yes,
But is he the best player on a championship caliber team?
The answer for me, for all that I love about
him is no. And so you either need a tremendous

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dynamic number two or you need a playmaker who now
allows Jalen to play more off the ball and be
a scorer. But asking him to do both on this team,
right with a team with a coach who is as
least offensively creative yeah as timms is, is just a

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dynamic that's not going to get you farther than the
second round.

Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
I've made this argument, Rick Bucker for our radio audience
joining us is that generally we've never given the Spurs
dynasty the love we gave the Bulls, the Warriors of
the Lakers, because this is a league where aesthetics.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Matter, what do you look like when you're winning?

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
And the Spurs have largely been pushed off to the side,
as if we've.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Forgotten well run organization.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Yeah, but we don't talk about man who's maybe the
best six man ever. Duncan's one of the five ten
great bigs ever. Tony Parker was an MVP in Pops
with a basketball genius before a lot of people. I mean,
he was ahead of the game. Sure, So I look
at the Celtics and I think similarly. Despite the big
brand is Tatum's a little reluctant. He says he would

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love to be the face of the league. He's not
a big personality. He's more of a grinder. Jalen Brown
to two. Their strength is three point shooting, a young
coach who's grown up quick, unbelievable depth. But they've got
a lot of B plus and one A in Tatum,
and I don't quite think we understand how good they
are in that the way the league, the way the

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CBA works now, it would be almost impossible to create
a lineup like this going forward, and they've kind of
been grand You can say I'm wrong on this, I
probably am, but they're kind of grandfathered in the way
they you know, as the league is currently constructed, they
don't want you to be this deep. They don't want
Derek White to be your fifth best player. No, And

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I think we look at them and I look at
them and how dominant they can be on the road,
and I'm like, that's what the all time teams did,
went on the road and can win seven of eight
against playoff teams. I think Boston is really special. But
aesthetically they're much more even the old Celtic teams. Bird

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was a fighter, Walton was crazy, Danny Angel was rolling
on the floor. There was a lot of sex appeal
to it.

Speaker 15 (01:02:32):
Well, who's their most dynamic personality.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
They don't have one.

Speaker 14 (01:02:36):
It's probably Jalen Brown, probably right, and he's but the
rest of them, they're defined like Derek White's a good guy,
Jason Tatum is a nice guy.

Speaker 15 (01:02:45):
Al Horford nice guy through holiday. But they're all sort.

Speaker 14 (01:02:49):
Of quiet and they just go about their business. And
you know, jal is Jalen is the loudest in terms
of give me the ball and get out of the way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
But he's also a great team player, and he is
and he's fully willing to take the toughest defensive assignment.

Speaker 14 (01:03:05):
So yes, I think that they are a little underappreciated.
That's what it might take it in terms of what
they are. And they are extremely unique in that they've
got so many quality players that would be quality players
on any team.

Speaker 15 (01:03:22):
Derek White Holiday.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
I mean, when you're Peyton Pritchard, they have seven guys.

Speaker 14 (01:03:27):
Even at a Horford Sam Hauser gives you good minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
If I told you in a playoff game Horford had
twenty two points and got hot from the corner, you'd
be like, yeah, I expect one of these.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
I think they're so much deeper and so I mean,
basically they've had two basketball gurus, Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens,
and basically they've built a similar roster. Can you shoot, pass,
and handle the ball. They go nine deep on that,
ten deep on that.

Speaker 14 (01:03:54):
This is the one achilles heel to that which is
and we see it all the time. Like what makes
them so difficult is everybody on the floor can can score.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Everybody, everybody can shoot a three, everybody.

Speaker 15 (01:04:08):
Right, I mean everybody right.

Speaker 14 (01:04:10):
And then when they go to the bench, we bring
in more guys who can shoot threes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:04:14):
They are never without that the days that for whatever
reason they're not creating the open looks or they're not
taking quality threes, and now you get into a tight
game and you have to rely on Jason Tatum or
Jalen Brown going ISO one on one. That's when they struggle.

(01:04:34):
Because those guys are good all around players. They're not
a Luka Doncic type. Give me the ball and I'm
going to get to a place that's just going to
contort the defense and so but and that's what we love, right.
We love it when we see Luca getting to a
place and he's either scoring and it seems like it's
impossible to stop that guy, or he's thrown it behind

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the back pass to somebody for a wide open three.
Don't get that element with the Boston Celtics. They have
everything else, and what makes them, what makes them great,
is what makes them a little vulnerable and that they
they they're an equal opportunity team, right, and that makes
them difficult to stop.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
But in these type moments, they're vulnerable.

Speaker 14 (01:05:18):
If you can make it a close game, that change
and take away the three.

Speaker 15 (01:05:24):
Now they're not quite as dynamic.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Rick Buker, good stuff, Fox NBA Analyst. Tomorrow it's Warriors
and Memphis. We would take Golden State in that game experience,
I think it's almost an ideal matchup for them for
a play in game.

Speaker 14 (01:05:38):
Is it not pretty close? Pretty close? I don't want
to think about the Bay A living in the.

Speaker 15 (01:05:44):
Bay Area, what the Bay Area would be like.

Speaker 14 (01:05:46):
If they they wind us stopped going out once again
in the play in Yeah, Loo good thought.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
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Speaker 9 (01:05:54):
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Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
They're not a Empacific, Jim ersay, are interesting owners. They've
got strong opinions, can be a bit temperamental. And Frank
Reich has found himself now at the College at Stanford
with Andrew Luck and it's a whole different world. So
I would have said ten years ago, Frank, stay out
of college, go coach in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
But now with.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
The portal, you are going to recruit a lot of
kids that already have experience. They're not sixteen, they're twenty
one or twenty two. I mean, just take me through
how you viewed college six years ago and how you
view it today, and how that's changed because of the
portal of me and I am.

Speaker 16 (01:06:40):
It feels to me, like Colin, like it's going to
the more of an NFL model, so.

Speaker 5 (01:06:46):
Structured that way.

Speaker 16 (01:06:47):
You know, even here with Andrew Andrew Luckying named GM.
You know, my situation is unique because it's an interim
deal that both he and I agree were best. You know,
at this time of year, it was good for me personally.
So you know, my focus is to come in here
and develop the talent that is here since I won't

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be here long term, you know, and I'm excited to
do that. Like even in just two weeks here of springball,
I can feel the progress.

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
That we've made.

Speaker 16 (01:07:16):
I can feel the energy and excitement around what we're doing,
you know, bringing some things that some of the experience
that I've had in the professional level, some of the concepts,
some of the thoughts philosophy that can go up and
help and help his team. So I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
You know, Frank, it's interesting You've had Philip Rivers, Andrew Locke,
Carson Wentz, Bryce Young, is there as we talk about
you know, cam Ward and Schnor Sanders. The kid I
like is Kyle McCord at Syracuse. So I think it's
a really underrated player, really anticipatory thrower. I like him
Ohio State Syracuse. I think he's going to be a
little bit of a sleeper. Is there something? Because Bryce

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Young really emerged last year his first year, it was
a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
This game is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Fast, it's it's it's it's just a different world. What
is the one thing that attracted you about Bryce Young
or a Carson Wentz, The one thing you would tell
a college quarterback, Okay, you're going to pros. This is
where it's going to be really different. What is that thing?

Speaker 16 (01:08:22):
I think it starts with mental toughness, you know, a
resiliency too, and a mindset that you're always going to
get better.

Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
You know.

Speaker 16 (01:08:32):
I always define toughness as a relentless pursuit to get
better every day, an obsession to finish. And so when
I'm looking for quarterbacks or what I would tell a
quarterback that's the number one factor, you know, was quarter
Peyton Manning's quarterback coach mentally as tough as they come,
you know, Andrew Luck, Bryce Young Carson, you know all

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those guys.

Speaker 5 (01:08:54):
That's a trait that they have.

Speaker 16 (01:08:56):
Because you're gonna take there's gonna be bumps and bruises
along wrote. You have to find ways to keep getting better.
You have to find ways to keep leaving in yourself
and in the team and where you're going. And then
if you have the juice, you're going to win and
you're going to be successful.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
You know, Frank, I've said this. I think coaching in
the NBA or the NFL's gotten harder. It used to
be that an owner had let's say a six hundred
million dollar net worth, and he would give you an
extra year. Well they're all billionaires, okay, so forty million
dollars to run a coach out of the room is
a rounding air. And I do feel like Bill Belichick

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had voiced this. Ownership now is richer, they're more impulsive,
they're less patient. The media is more relentless. They're social media,
the owners on that watching what people are saying, is
it possible in here your golden years of coaching that college.
Actually it's easier to deal with an athletic director than

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a billionaire. That this may be what we see some
NFL coaches transitioning too.

Speaker 16 (01:10:01):
Yeah, that's an interesting thought. It's an interesting thought. I
just think it comes down to, you know, personal preference.
For me, you know, in my years coaching in the NFL,
I think the appeal was, you know, you're you're at
the you're playing with the best, you're coaching the best
of the best, and it's all football twenty four to seven.

(01:10:22):
What makes this position so appealing to me to come
in here at this stage, at sixty three, at the
end of thirty plus years playing and coaching. You know,
I'm looking at this as an opportunity to impact the
student athlete, to you know, coach football and give them
all the experience and the stuff from the NFL, but
also impact, you know, people on a personal level, bring

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a team together. So I think you can make a
case either way. For me, at this stage in my life,
this is exactly what I'm looking for.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
So you coached Andrew Locke back with the Colts.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
How many practices.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Did it take with Andrew la to realize, Wow, this
guy's smart, this guy's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Like is it instant?

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
I mean, like they talk about the great players, the
Kobe Bryants where you watch it when you watch him
work out and you're like, yeah, that doesn't look like
anybody else. Could you tell instantly with Andrew Luck what
you could give him, what he could retain. Did you
know instantly this is different?

Speaker 16 (01:11:22):
Yes, in every way, you know, mentally, his approach to
the game, how the questions he asked, what the comments
he would make watching the tape. The strange things was
Colin that physically you know obviously from watching him in
his earlier years before I got there, I knew he

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was physically dominant at the position, but he was coming
off his shoulder injury. So that year in twenty eighteen,
and we had a pretty stinking good team at the
end of the year, no one wanted to play us,
And we're two weeks before our Week one Star Rder,
our Week one game, and I still have yet to
see him throw a ball over forty yards because of

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the injury that he was coming off of, and he
was on a pitch count. And it was a really
strange year. And then we of course started one in
five and then one nine of ten, and he was
the hottest thing there was and you could just but
you could see his leadership even in the one in
five start as he physically was kind of gaining his
confidence back in his shoulder and his throwing. But now

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it was just it felt different right from the start
with him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
So there was a young player at Tennessee, really talented kid,
Nico Iamaliava, and I like him a lot. He moves,
he's mobile, he's got an arm. He's just young.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
He's raw. He can be hitting mess.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
He's not quite there yet, but most, you know, young
quarterbacks aren't. And so it's pretty funny. So everybody's crushing
the kid. Oh his dad, but I could see the
kid saying time out. Our football program makes one hundred
and forty nine million, coach makes twelve. Duke just gave
a guy from two lane four million. I'm making two.

(01:13:04):
I led us to the playoff. Maybe have a problem
with the NC double A. I'm getting mine. I mean,
it's funny everybody's crossing the kid, but I kind of
get it. What do you make of that situation?

Speaker 16 (01:13:18):
Yeah, I haven't really followed it very much, you know,
I mean it's.

Speaker 5 (01:13:26):
Right now in the trends.

Speaker 16 (01:13:28):
You remember, I mean this last season, I was I
was retired, right and I was good being retired and
hadn't been followed, hadn't been followed that the college game
that much. But this just presented such a unique scenario
to me before I kind of completely shut it down.
It was like I told my wife, I said, I

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would only get back in this for, you know, a
really unique and special situation.

Speaker 5 (01:13:53):
So that's why I'm here.

Speaker 16 (01:13:55):
So the situation you're talking about, I'm not familiar with
all the dynamics of it, to be quite honest with you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Colin, would you the nil and transfer portal?

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Will it benefit Stanford which is an academic power or
is it more is that something moral Ohio State's going
to go after or do you kind of know Listen,
this is what we are, this is what we want.
How does Stanford approach that is an academic power?

Speaker 5 (01:14:20):
I think it does.

Speaker 16 (01:14:21):
You know, it's not I've heard you say, you know,
I mean one of the things that I've heard you
say over the years. And I don't get a chance
to watch that much, but obviously I have watched and
listened to you over the years, and you always say
and I always strongly agree, and like when you say
this about good teams have an identity, they know who
they are. Yes, and you always say that, And that's

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what this place has.

Speaker 5 (01:14:47):
This place has.

Speaker 16 (01:14:48):
An identity, and it not only has an identity as
an academic institution, but it also has an identity as
a football program.

Speaker 5 (01:14:55):
You know, we're going to run the football. You know,
we're gonna have good o line play. Our tight end
room is going to be strong.

Speaker 16 (01:15:02):
There's you know, they're going to be used in a
powerful way to create extra gaps, create this power run
game and then to be able to throw play action
off of this run game and uh and play good, smart,
tough football. And so that's what the idea, you know,
with Andrew kind of at the Helm and him really
leading that identity when it was in its heyday here

(01:15:23):
at Stanford, That's that's the identity that he's going to
lead this, uh, this university back to as a football program.
And so and I understand what he's looking for. I
understand that vision. And so that's that's what we're recruiting towards.
That's what you will use the nil that's what we'll
use the portal for. That's what we'll scheme for. We'll
stick to that identity, and that's what we're going to

(01:15:45):
make our money.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Finally, you know, you coach at one of the only
places in the country where half the time your players
are as smarter or smarter than the coach.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Are you okay with that?

Speaker 5 (01:15:56):
I am okay with that. You know.

Speaker 16 (01:15:57):
Over the years, I've I've learned a lot of football
and a lot of life from a lot of good players.

Speaker 5 (01:16:02):
So yeah, that's one of the reasons I'm here.

Speaker 16 (01:16:07):
You know, even though these they're they're much younger, but
it is a unique it is a unique atmosphere and
for the players, well, I can tell that already. I
can just feel the energy being here for two weeks,
and you're looking forward to getting to know everyone you
know right on the deeper level over the.

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
Next football season.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Frank, love to have you on again.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Good luck to you and Stanford and Andrew Luck one
of my all time favorite quarterbacks. Andrew luck retirement was
heartbreaking probably for him and many others in Indianapolis and
me certainly is a fan.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Great scenior coach.

Speaker 5 (01:16:37):
Hey, thanks Colin.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
You bet.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Yeah, Stanford's in a totally different model. I always feel
it's got kind of a Notre Dame field, but there's
a way to win it. Notre Dame in Stanford. You
don't want to get into track meets O line tight
end quarterback coaching. If you go look at the Jim
Harball or Marcus Freeman teams at Notre Dame, that's the
way to build them. You could have good backs, you
could have, but it's a physical presence. It is a

(01:17:02):
lean into physicality and that's what you can do at
Notre Dame in Stanford. And that's what Andrew Lux teams were.
I mean they were tough and physical teams. That's what
Notre Dame was this year as well. So good stuff.
Albert Breerrick Buker, Frank Wright, Colin Right, Colin wrong. Jordan
Schultz is in this week for Jason McIntyre. I don't

(01:17:22):
know where Jason goes. Somewhere with a beach. I can
take the cold, you know. It's funny, Jason. I know
is somewhere warm. I discovered over the course of my
brief brief respite, my brief vacation, after about four days
staring at water on the beach.

Speaker 13 (01:17:38):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
That's about it for me. A couple of books, good
couple of books. Yeah, and then I'm ready to go
back to work. You know I had more fun this weekend.

Speaker 7 (01:17:47):
You wanted to watch baseball too.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Saturday, I wanted to Saturday and Sunday I had more
fun watching the Masters every shot. I mean, yesterday was
one of my favorite TV days since Tiger Woods Prime.

Speaker 7 (01:17:59):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Four and a half five hours of great golf.

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