May 16, 2025 • 40 mins
Colin discusses the Nuggets forcing a game 7 against the Thunder and why teams like Denver have had so much success in the playoffs vs the regular season darlings like Oklahoma City. He addresses Caleb Williams trying to maneuver his way out of getting selected by the Bears in the 2024 NFL draft that Colin originally reported over a year ago. He also talks to Dodgers manager Dave Roberts about the greatness of Shohei Ohtani and the challenge of trying to win back-to-back World Series
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Here we go. It is a Friday and we are
sold out. We got a lot to talk about wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. Jmac Denver did it.
I thought they were on fumes. Jamal Murray was sick.
Get him in that altitude. Let them play a little bit.
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They actually had a bit of a bench last night.
We know that Okac's got all the depth. You now
have taken the tax. You're rooting against okc oh thousand
giver all day. But tonight's the big ones. New York
Knicks can close out the Celtics. I know what you're
doing tonight for Friday night as time. Yes, so Denver
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wins at home. They force a game seven, and what
these NBA playoffs have clearly illustrated the dominant regular season teams,
a lot of them pretty, a lot of them three
ball reliant. The Calves are out, the Celtics probably will
be an okay season now in a game seven. We've
always understood playoff basketball is more intense, but the NBA's
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willingness to let it be super physical has made the
pretty teams pretty vulnerable. Celts Calves both could be out
by to night and they lived on the three Oklahoma
City's depth and blowouts in youth. They're going to a
game seven. These playoffs have had some tush push to them.
Denver's a great example, old, big, strong, tough, a lot
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like Minnesota who's already in the Waastern Conference final, and
Denver's bench. That's been the concern right like it's limited.
But last night, once again, Westbrook hit a couple of
big buckets, and another Gonzaga guy stepped up when Yokich
hit the bench. Julian Strouder was absolutely excellent hitting shots,
again a Gonzaga guy. But it's never been more clear
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the gap between the NBA's regular season and postseason. It's
wider than we thought, and we thought it was different,
and a lot of this is Adam Silver just saying, listen,
I'm getting complaints. I'm hearing complaints. It's two three ball reliant.
How do you change it? Let them be physical, bang
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around the shooters, scoring inside matters more. Minnesota is not
relyant on a three. Pacers are not reliant on a three.
The Knicks are not reliant on a three. Denver's not
And so now now the Lakers and the Warriors, they
have that veteran playoff experience, but they don't have the
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sign and that's their shortcoming. I think it's made for
highly entertaining basketball. I thought Denver was done, but the
former champions have a chin. And again I think I
like Oklahoma City in Game seven, they're at home. I
think they'll shoot the three ball better. But you're giving
me Yokich, you're giving me Gordon Jamal Murray was great
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being sick. We have the potential for a number four
seed facing a number three seed in the Eastern Conference
Final and a four seed facing a sixth seed in
the Western Conference Final. And listen, I said during the
regular season, I thought the game was too pretty, there's
too much scoring. I wanted more analytics, less analytics less
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three ball shooting, and Adam Silver listened to me and
a lot of you that were saying the same thing.
Let's get physical. It works, it's entertaining basketball, and it's
benefited the Knicks and the Pacers and Minnesota and Denver.
Last night, teams that don't necessarily were on three ball shooting.
We got a game seven. And here's the coach of
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the Nuggets, David Adelman.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
The challenge of playing great teams is just being consistent mentally.
And again I've said this year out the series. What
they did this year is incredible. They've earned the home
court on Sunday, and on the flip side, we've earned
the right to go down there in the opportunity to
try to beat them in a game seven. So this
is what it's all about. Team that's done it all
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year long. Group in there that hung a banner, you know,
I would tune into this game.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So it's interesting. The Celtics, Calves and the Thunder during
the regular season averaged one hundred and twenty a game.
Those teams are now down to one fourteen, and those
teams we're making sixteen to sixteen and a half three
pointers a game. They're now down to fourteen. Well that's
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six points and these are close games. So again, Minnesota,
the Knicks, the Pacers are physical and long. All the
teams with size and aren't reliant on the three are
either winning or about to win. And I think it's
better basketball. I just I've enjoyed the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I've said for years, give me a mid range jumper.
I just don't want sixty two threes winning the NBA championships.
So we saw baseball do this for years. They started
tweaking and tweaking and tweaking, and it was harder to
score runs, and stolen bases were going down. So baseball
makes the base bigger. They get rid of the defensive shift. Well,
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what's happening right, there's more hits averages going up, there's
more runs, there's more base runners, there's more stolen bases.
The NFL tweaked their cats. So what we're seeing in
real time here is the NBA, during a season of
three point parades, saying, you know, we don't want to
we don't want our playoffs to look like that. We
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want our playoffs to be a out veterans, stars, physicality,
a little NFL toush push and this is what you get.
And I think it's been great. So yesterday a story
broke yesterday. Oh wait, it broke a year ago, and
I got crap for reporting it. Whatever. Seth Wickersham, great
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reporter at ESPN, reports something we did a year ago,
which is Caleb Williams dad wasn't in love with the
idea of his son being a Chicago Bear based on
you know, history and the truth. And Caleb Williams, you know,
was considering his options but eventually just said I'll be
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a Bear. So and here's the thing. This story broke
yesterday when we were on the air about midway through
the show. All those concerns and all those Chicago Bears
hurdles turned out to be true. So where you land,
you know, this is seventy five percent of the game
for a quarterback. Gold got Matt Stafford easily the best
high school quarterback in the country, best college quarterback. Had
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to go thirteen years to really find Sean McVay. He
was seventy four and ninety in Detroit, first couple of
years in Los Angeles, Like, is he better than Aaron Rodgers?
He's hoisting a Trophy beating Joe Burrow in the biggest
game of the year. Go look at Jared Goff zero
for seven with defensive minded Jeff Fisher. One year later,
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eleven and four with McVeagh and a passer rating in
the hundreds. He looked like a bust Sam Darnold, disaster
with a defensive coach, and the Jets, well some Adam
Gase and you know, some offense, some defense. But where
you land matters. Disaster in New York, struggled in Carolina,
magical in Minnesota. Baker Mayfield, It's Hugh Jackson, It's Freddie Kitchens,
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it's Greg Williams, it's it's Oh Then he finds McVeigh
and he finds Liam Cohen. What do you know, Baker
looks like a top twelve to thirteen quarterback in the NFL.
You know, the bottom line in this stuff is if
you start looking at your Bakers, if you start looking
at Donald, if you start looking at Goff, if you
start looking at Stafford, if you start looking at all
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these guys, where you land matters. And that's what Caleb
Williams was worried about. I mean, it's like if you
were going to date a rockstar, and you were worried
about infidelity and a wild lifestyle. That's not being cynical,
that's not being skeptical. Those are legitimate concerns. Now, the
good news is, and we talked about this yesterday, the
good news is you can rebound. You couldn't like twenty
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years ago, if you got stuck with your first coach.
You know, coaches that may be it, like that's it.
There are so many now great young offensive minds, so
many McVeigh copycats, you know, Kevin O'Connell Minnesota, they call
them the Taal, Sean McVay. There are so many good
offensive coaches. For a Donald or a Geno Smith or
a Tua or a Jared Goff has a second chance.
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And I think Caleb got lucky. The Bears got rid
the front office ownership got rid of the defensive head
coach that's in the defensive staff. They got him potentially
his Sean McVay. And I think Ben Johnson much like
Sean McVay or Sean Payton in Denver or Kevin o'connla Minnesota.
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What's the first thing Ben Johnson did clean up the
offensive line for his young quarterback something Mike Tomlin can't
do for the last decade, So I think it's going
to turn out well. But I think all this stuff.
Ask yourself when you were coming out of college, if
I would have told you, yeah, there's this company that's
going to choose you. They really like you, but they
have one hundred year history of not getting your position right,
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would you not be concerned. So here's ESPN Seth Wickersham
that story that broke during our show yesterday on Chicago Radio,
and then Ben Johnson too.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Seth, how close do you think the Williams family was
to actually not being drafted out of the Bears and subway
either getting out of it or having one of these
plans come to fruition. I mean, I think it was like,
you know the gasolines out do we want to like them?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And Jabb didn't want to like the match.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
I see a chance for greatness here for him. He's
been communicated that way and he feels the same way.
I don't know what's going on prior to him joining
the organization, but he is very proud to be a
Chicago Bear, That's what our conversations have included. And he's
really excited to get to work right now and be
the best version of himself for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
I'm excited.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
That's what makes coaching fun is when the hiccups occur,
when the adversity strikes, how do we respond to it.
That's when you find out who you are as a man.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
For the record one year from now. Arch Manning. I
just read a story about arch Manning. He's put on
like eight to ten pounds or some muscle. He's really
worked in his mechanics. Arch Manning is going to be
the number one pick in the draft, and you know,
if you asked him privately, you know where he'd want
to go. The Rams, who have two first round picks,
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but they're gonna be too good, and they have Atlanta's
first round pick, and Atlanta probably wins a lot of
games in the Week Division, so they probably won't have
the ammo to move up to get arch Manning. Privately, though,
that's where he wants to go. He would love to
go to them, not Cleveland, who also has two first
round picks. It's nothing against Kevin Stevanski, but you got
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Picket and Shaduur and Dylan Gabriel and Joe Flacco. It's
a circus. Johnny Manziel, you passed on Mahomes. It's a circus,
so like it's and I think everybody watching or listening
to the show understands it. Sports can be incredibly cruel.
The harder you work coming out of college as an athlete,
the worst organization you often go to. Cross your fingers
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on Ben Johnson. I do think him activating the front
office with the Bears and going heavy in O line investments.
Joe Tooney Drew Dolman is a great sign. First thing
Sean Payton did in Denver for bow Knicks get the
O line right, McVeigh. First thing he did from Jeff
Fisher Andrew Whitworth left tackle from the Bengals. So that
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was the first thing he did. Let's go get the
offensive line right. That bodes very well for Caleb Williams.
But I have no problem with his dad skepticism or
his as well. All right, J mack tonight is huge.
The Knicks. Now, Boston's a weird team. Jmack, It is
historically weird. Their net rating is better without Jason Tatum.
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It's I know, it's crazy. I what's the line. I
would guess the Knicks are favored by one or two.
I like the next tonight, do you so? Yes?
Speaker 6 (12:34):
I do like the next day we'll win.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
That being said, this whole idea that the Celtics net
rating is better without Tatum, Like we need more context.
Who are they playing? You know, are some other Celtics missing?
I think this that game was less about Tatum. The
last one more about the move to put Luke Cornett
in the game in the second half for Porzingis, who
gave him nothing. Luke Cornett had seven blocks Colin. There's
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videos online where he's guarding three and four people. Joe
Mizzoula finally got off his hands and did something.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
It was a genius move.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
But I still like the nixt to Night Garden gonna
be a nice scene. They're very excited from my Knicks advancing.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Well, it'll obviously the biggest Knicks game in I mean,
however long and if they win three yeah, I mean
it's it's but I mean, you're it's. The Knicks history
has been greater than the next recent history. Their their
their valuation as a team has always been greater than
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their productivity and results. But the world of basketball is
it's Madison Square Garden tonight.
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Dave Roberts, Dodgers manager, stopping by in forty minutes, Best
team in Baseball, Best player ever o Tawny Bubble had night.
He did it again? So uh oh, well, Well, I
have been defending occasional anonymous sourcing. I get a lot
of my information from people who are going to give
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me more honest, sometimes ruthless opinions. They don't have to
put their name on it. I don't do it all
the time, but I will defend anonymous sourcing. You see
these anonymous polls. The NBA does well. The WNBA just
did an anonymous poll. You don't have to put your
name on it. And the truth finally came out. Caitlin
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Clark voted on by general managers, the Beast point guard,
the Beast shooting guard, and the singular player they would
start the franchise with. In the weird insular WNBA. This
has been a real struggle. You know the truth, So
once you could be honest about it, and that's I
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guess what you have to be anonymously in the WNBA,
and there's these people who are fans of indie bands,
international so and the WNBA. They have this gate keeping mentality,
will tell you who's great. Colin. I was watching the
WNBA long before Caitlin Clark. Well, yeah, it's not my problem.
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Your social life was boring. I'm not going to apologize
for watching it when it got really interesting. And I've
said this about Steph Curry. I love Draymond Green and
Jimmy Butler and pods, but if you take Steph Curry
out of the Warriors, they're kind of boring. And if
you take Caitlin Clark out of the WNBA and her team,
it's not the same. She's packing now larger arenas. She's
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taking and making shots nobody's ever done in the history
of the sport. She is Steph Curry. I mean, there's
a reason the NBA puts Steph Curry on Christmas, and privately,
the NBA was Steph Curry out of the playoffs. Nose
Minnesota is not going to get the same number WNBA players.
Weirdly have been fighting. Oh stop fighting the truth, get
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out of your own way. It is a bad look.
She is a fascinating player, and it must be exhausting
hating new cool things. I mean, here's what twenty when
Steph Curry entered the NBA, you didn't hear any of this.
WHOA slow down? You know what you heard, bro? I
can take those shots now. Steph Curry opened up the
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floor for other guys and shooting big guy started practicing
their threes, forward started practicing their threes. He opened up opportunities.
And never forget the Warriors valuation was three hundred and
fifteen million dollars before he got there. The latest valuation
is eight point two billion. That's not just Draymon and pods.
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I'm gonna tell you that's Steph Curry. That's Steph Curry.
The WNBA flew commercial flights before she played a game.
They went to privatize flights. Okay, that's Caitlin Clark, only
Caitlin Clark. So just promote it, market it ride. The
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best wave this league has ever had. Doesn't mean it
doesn't mean they haven't had great players. It doesn't mean
they don't have other really great players. But you get
these comments, you get these unique unicorns. That's what she is.
And once she went to an anonymous poll, the gms
are like, Yep, that's who you'd start the franchises with.
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That's the best point guard, that's the best shooting guard.
That's the best thing we have. It's been obvious for
everybody except a big chunk of WNBA players.
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Dave Roberts, Dodger manager, top of the next hour, playing
great baseball. Got to keep those pictures healthy, which is
just incredible in baseball. Over the last five to ten years,
all the Tommy John's injuries have tripled. Danny Parkins four
years dominated Chicago radio. Now he's at FS one breakfast
Ball and he's joining us. He knows is Chicago sports.
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So Seth Wickersham, very respected guy, comes out and you
know he's writing a book on the history of quarterbacks,
and all of a sudden, here's Caleb Williams. Caleb William's dad.
I really defended Caleb, and I said, you know, years ago,
if your first team stunk, you were really behind the
eight ball. Now goff to a Baker, Darnold Gino. There's
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so many good offensive coaches that you do get second
and third opportunities. Baker Mayfield now crushing it. So I
think Caleb's going to be fine. But what was your
takeaway on some of the comments by Caleb and his
dad about the Bears before they became Bears.
Speaker 9 (19:48):
Well, first of all, you were all over this, You
were reporting this well before the draft, that Caleb and
his camp had some concerns about the Bears. And you know,
when Carl Williams said this is where Chicago's where court
backs go to die. I think there were about a
million Bears fans in the Chicago metro area who were like, yep,
we know, yeah, that's about as relatable, like thank you,
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like that scene in Wolf of Wall Street.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
One of us, one of us, one of.
Speaker 9 (20:13):
Us, Like it would have been like if a Chicago
cub was like, you know, I believe in curses before
twenty sixteen, like we're well aware that that's.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Where quarterbacks go to die. I thought Caleb was maybe
like ten percent too honest with Seth Seth Wickersham.
Speaker 9 (20:29):
I respect the fact that he owned up to it.
I don't think he needed to say that he had
his hand on the nuclear button for the nuclear option
He's like, yeah, I was considering nuking the city.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Probably probably not necessary.
Speaker 9 (20:40):
You could have just been saying, you know, I was,
you know, evaluating all of my options, and I'm thrilled
to be a bear. But the thing about it was
was that all of the concerns Colin ended up being justified.
They fired Shane Waldron nine games into the year, and
Caleb Williams said he was watching film alone.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
And had never been taught how to watch films.
Speaker 9 (20:59):
So it explains why it was such a disaster last season.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Now again, TUA defensive coach to McDaniels made a Pro Bowl.
I mean Greg Williams, Hugh Jackson, Freddy Kitchens to McVeigh,
and Lean colem transformed Baker's life. Goff Fisher to McVeigh.
One of the things that's been noteworthy, Kevin O'Connell did this,
Sean Payton did it in Denver immediately, and this is
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one of the things. McVeigh did it in LA with
Andrew Whitworth. It's a very encouraging sign. The really good
offensive coaches consolve offensive lines. Andy Reid McVeigh in an
off season, they don't even need a season. They were
in an offseason. So my take on Ben Johnson is
he gets it their money and focus on the O line.
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I don't think people understand how good Dolmen and Toney
are like in NFL circles. Those are like very respected players.
So I think I say, I think Chicago's a wild
card team or is that overly optimistic?
Speaker 6 (22:00):
No, it's not overly optimistic at all. It's a tough schedule.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
The win total in Vegas is eight and a half,
but they upgraded left guard, center, right guard, nose tackle,
defensive end, tight end one or two depending on how
you value Cole Comet wide receiver, three, head coach, and
play caller all in one offseason.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
That's pretty substantial. That's pretty good.
Speaker 9 (22:25):
There's always going to be more pressure on the Hall
of famers who have been paid who haven't won a
Super Bowl, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, But Caleb Williams is
going to be very high up on those lists of
who's under the most pressure to perform this year because
you can look at the Bears roster and say, okay, kid,
time's yours.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Like what do the Bears not have at this point?
Speaker 9 (22:44):
They've done everything right after sabotaging his rookie year.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
There's a lot of things to take away from the
NFL schedule. I thought of the Chargers between Brazil, all
these short weeks against Detroit Buffalo, the Chargers get this
cookie dough soft middle of the schedule I had predicted.
I think they're gonna pull back. They're on the margins
anyway right now. They enter the season with kind of
a sketchy O line, which is the only thing that's
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ever undone that's been the only kryptonite for Mahomes has
been like left tackle or O line issues. So I
do think they'll pull back and be like a ten
eleven win team, not a dominant not a dominant operation.
Is there something about the schedule that jumped out to
Danny Parkins.
Speaker 9 (23:28):
Well, last year we talked about the Pittsburgh Steelers, how
they needed to get off to a strong start because
the end of the season schedule was so brutal. That's
the Dallas Cowboys this year, and I know, Okay, America's team.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
They're going to be on national TV.
Speaker 9 (23:41):
No one's crying for the Cowboys, but it's literally historic.
Week twelve through Week seventeen, they play every team on
their schedule, won eleven or more games last year. They
play on Thanksgiving, they play on Christmas, and there's two
four day breaks, Like they have four days off between
the Eagles and chief I don't know the greatest memory
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in the world, but those two teams were in the
Super Bowl last year. Like that's that's fairly difficult. Then
four days off between Chargers and Commanders with that Commander's
game being on the.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Road is remarkably difficult.
Speaker 9 (24:13):
So we knew the opponents ahead of time, but I
thought the sequencing for Dallas was absolutely brutal to finish
the season.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
So, you know, the Knicks game tonight can be one
of two things, historically great or a nightmare. I like
them tonight. Kind of your forecast, you're in the city,
your forecast for what we see tonight in an interesting series.
Speaker 9 (24:38):
I think the first quarter is gonna tell us a lot.
You know, this is objectively the biggest game at Madison
Square Garden since the Conference finals in two thousand.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
New York is a basketball town. Just asking New Yorker.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
The Knicks are the one thing that really truly unites
the city because you know, Metts and Yankees, all the
different hockey teams, Jets, and Giants. That's fairly well understood,
whether you've spent a day here, an hour here, or
year years, your entire life here.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
It's a Knicks town.
Speaker 9 (25:03):
But Colin, you know this, three to one can get
spun two different ways. It's having thirteen times in NBA
history a team came back from down three to one
or a team collapsed from being up three to one.
When lebron came back from down three to one against
the Warriors, it's the single most impressive thing I've ever
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seen in basketball.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
He does it against the super team.
Speaker 9 (25:26):
He leads both teams in all five statistical categories. That
was framed as a comeback with Tatum rupturing his achilles.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
If the Knicks lose, this will be a choke.
Speaker 9 (25:37):
Now, maybe if Boston ends up winning the title, history
will be a little bit kinder to it. But in
the immediate aftermath, this will go up there as a
one of the great chokes in NBA playoff history and
one of the great chokes in New York's sports history.
You remember, of course, four Yankees Red Sox that's down
three to zero. They come back, the Bloody Sock Game.
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Dave Roberts with the Steel Big Poppy the VP, Johnny
Damian the Grand Slam.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Three ones not as bad as three to zero.
Speaker 9 (26:04):
But when the star player on the Celtics ruptures and Achilles,
I'll just say, the Knicks better come out hot in
the first quarter of tonight or that's going to be
a very very tense building over at the world's most
famous arena.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I know this is it happened almost a week ago.
I didn't get your take on this. Nick and I
were aligned on this. I'm not listen. If the NBA
was going to rig things, they wouldn't have Zion going
to the Pelicans and Wemby going to the Spurs. What
do you make of all the Cooper flag Dallas Maverick
rig talk. I think it's ridiculous, but I am in
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the minority.
Speaker 9 (26:41):
Apparently you're not in the minority. This is an Internet creation.
Everything is a conspiracy on the Internet. It's not enough
to be like journalists were in the room and then
the NBA is like, Okay, here's the video of the
pingpong balls coming out and people.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
Are like, yeah, you edited it. I honestly like don't
know what people.
Speaker 9 (27:02):
Need to see to believe, Like, can you reverse engineer it. Yeah,
of course, but if let's let's say the Spurs would
have won the lottery, you don't think people would have said, oh,
it's rigged. They want to take care of Greg Popovich
as he transitions to his role as president of basketball operations,
and they need Victor Webbin yamnna be good. So like
(27:22):
Philadelphia big market, Chicago big market, you can always attach
a conspiracy to the back end of an outlier event.
And one point eight percent is an outlier event. But
it's not impossible. It's one point eight percent, So of
course it's not rigged. It's objectively ridiculous. It is a
little upsetting. Like I will say that Nico Harris like
(27:45):
like Nico Harrison didn't deserve it, right, like MAVs fans
deserve it. But the thing that I more so than
that it was rigged talk I thought, the most like
objectionable thing is like Nico Harrison gets.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
The last laugh.
Speaker 9 (27:58):
Why because I mean because pingballs bounced his way.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Like to me, that was actually a worse take than
it was rigged.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Great stuff, Danny Parkins from Chicago now in New York
FS one great see anybody have a good weekend.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Let's talk anytime, Colin, Thank you, all right.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Danny's really interesting. I try to get him on the
volume as much as I can. Good storyteller, a lot
of background history in Chicago. Yeah, it's it's I just
you know, it's I've said this before. Bill Parcells used
to say, don't draft a celebrity quarterback, but you know,
the world change. They're all celebrities now. I mean, shoud
Ur Sanders is going to be a celebrity. Now what
you do with that celebrity arch Manning is a celebrity.
(28:37):
That's why he's been so understated. He won't talk. He's
hiding because he knows he's already going to be viewed
as a Manning and a celebrity should do or Sanders
leaned into it, turned people off. Caleb leaned into it,
turned some off. But he was so talented that he
went number one at worse, he was going to go
to to Jayden Daniels. So you know, I think Caleb
(28:59):
Williams is the re of what you're going to see
going forward. You're gonna see you're gonna get big star quarterbacks.
They're going to get paid. I just read a story
this morning driving to work. I think I think Arch
Manning is going to make six million dollars this year
at Texas, Like that's the new reality. That's what they make.
That's more than rookie quarterbacks are going to make in
many instances, in most instances, because about twelve to thirteen
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quarterbacks get drafted a year, Eleven of those twelve or
twelve of those thirteen are not gonna make six million dollars.
And I also think that benefits college football in the NFL,
that some of these quarterbacks that could come out may
stand extra year. You know, Andrew Luck could have come out,
stayed extra year. Peyton Manning, like I the nil to me,
the the I don't know if it was an intended
(29:43):
benefit or not. The benefit is stay in college another year,
is a college basketball or college football player, and just
get better coaching and be more mature when you come
out in season. Our two Dave Roberts, Dodger manager.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
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Speaker 1 (30:08):
All right, let's bring him in. One of our favorite guys,
Dave Roberts ten years, Dodger manager's two World Series championships
last five years. You know, I think I said earlier
today that Tiger Woods, Lebron James, and o'tani are the
only athletes in my life that came in hyped and
have exceeded it. I mean, I think Lebron surpassing Magic
Johnson and assists and Kareem in points is exceeding the
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hype with o'tawi. How do it's weird to say, manager, coach,
what do you do when you have the greatest baseball
player probably ever suggest things? Is it? I mean, what
is it like to manage a Tiger in his prime,
a Lebron in his prime?
Speaker 10 (30:49):
I think it's one of those things that it's an
interesting question. And number one is you try to stay
out of the way as much as possible and not intervene.
That's number one. But I also think that you got
to just treat these guys like everyone else, and I
think that they really watch closely that you don't try
(31:09):
to treat them any differently. But there's different in the
sense of what they earn that right, But for the
most part, I treat him just like anyone else, but
call him, Yeah, I agree. It's just like you know
Tiger what he did? You know Lebron the expectation and
you can probably say maybe Michael, but there's not many people.
(31:30):
And now you're talking about show Hay on a global
scale like and he's really the only player I've ever
seen that's moved the needle with baseball.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yeah, no, it's it's Baseball's in a good spot right now.
I mean, Aaron Judge is putting up cartoon numbers. Oh, Tawny,
two huge brands. A lot of the best players are
in the best spots now you well, No, Tawny on
Bobblehead night hits two home runs and has six RBIs
give me a sense of the personality of the dugoutla amazed?
(32:01):
Are they laughing? I mean this kid literally on Bobblehead
nights in games in which the world is watching, is better.
Like what is the reaction or the chemistry like in
the dugout at a night like last night?
Speaker 4 (32:14):
It's laughable, it really is.
Speaker 10 (32:16):
I think that you know his Bibblehead night homers and
I would say his on base plus slug as ops
with the Bibblehead is probably two thousand. It seems like
two homers every time. No, but Colin, it's unbelievable. Like
any big moment, there's just you know, it's like Michael
taking the last shot Tiger, He's gonna make this putt.
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That doesn't always happen, but this guy seems like every
single time there's a big moment, a big spot anticipation,
he delivers. And it's just with baseball where you just
can't dictate all the time. It's just it's really uncanny
and like I said, laughable, I guess is my answer.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
What's the hardest I mean, I know you've got a
great roster. What's the hardest part about managing a really
great roster?
Speaker 10 (33:10):
I think understanding. I think the hardest thing is having
these guys want for more, always kind of having some
type of carrot, and at the end of the day,
trying to find something that's bigger than them. Because players
are motivated by different things, whether it's celebrity, it's money,
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it's the Hall of fame. But if you can get
these guys ultimately having a consistent message that it's not
just about them, they will get their flowers and their notoriety,
but it's about for us. It's winning a baseball game.
Each day and winning a championship and now potentially creating
a legacy for the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
You know, it's interesting. Your guys R and D has
been great, your analytics, you're ahead of the curve a
little like the Warriors in the NBA. It's a really
smart organization top down. But the pitching injuries, Snell Glassnow,
it's just it's all over baseball, Tommy John surgeries have
exploded over the last decade, and I, you know, I
read about this stuff and a lot of people are
saying the reason being all through baseball. It's not a
(34:15):
Dodger issue, it's a sports issue. Is that the answer
to everything now is throw harder. We'll replace in the
fifth or sixth inning. And I'm just going to throw
that out as a theory because it's not just the Dodgers.
The it's everywhere with pitching injuries. Is the problem now
that the instruction of baseball as guys throw as hard
as you can every pitch, Because that's one of the theories
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out there about the increase in pitching injuries.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Yeah, I think that's fair. I do.
Speaker 10 (34:41):
And the unfortunate thing is that it's starting in you know,
middle school. You know kids that are eleven twelve playing
travel ball. And I'm not trying to dig travel ball
because I will say that the players are better than ever.
But right now we're in a culture where so as
hard as you can, go as hard as you can,
for as long as you can, the compensation is for strikeouts,
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swing and miss. And so if you're a player, you're going, okay,
what's my compensation where the value is not you know,
going seven innings, giving up four runs, throw one hundred
and twenty pitches. It's potentially going four or five innings,
striking out eight or nine guys, and that's my compensation.
And with that, you know you're throwing as hard as
you possibly can, every pitch, ripping, breaking balls, you're going
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to break and that's unfortunate what's happening. So I can't
argue with the player as far as the competition piece
of it, the compensation and also the organization.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
You're trying to compete and win.
Speaker 10 (35:37):
And so to have a guy you know, temper back
and throw eighty five percent of his potential velocity to
not get out, that doesn't sound too appealing either. But
the industry, the breakdown, the injuries, it is unfortunate because
you do want to see the best players out there.
So I appreciate you saying it's certainly not a Dodger thing.
It's an industry wide think and how are we going
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to combat that? I don't know the answer.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
No, I've been reading about this because I knew you
were coming on, and I'm like, it's everywhere. You know,
it's Clayton Kershaw is going to have a say season
debut tomorrow. And I mean there's an argument. I think
it's a fair argument. He's our Sandy Kofax. I mean,
he is in this era, he's the Sandy Kofax. And
he doesn't have to He's got a pile of money,
he's got success rings, and Clayton he wants to be
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part of this magic. And what does he ad? Give
me stuff I don't see in the locker room, on
the team plane, in in in your office off days?
What does he add?
Speaker 10 (36:40):
Man? You and I got to go have a beer
at some point because I just love this conversation.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
You know, Clayton.
Speaker 10 (36:47):
Adds certainly a track record, he adds toughness, compete. I
was actually telling my wife last night, we're talking about
Clayton pitching, and I was I just can't wait to
see him get back out on the mount and watch
that compete where every single throw is conviction and he's
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just not going to be denied. And he puts in
the work for me, and he is like a different
person than when I had him in sixteen. He's a
father now of four or five kids, and he's got
a different perspective. Right he sees the finish line. Now
he's chasing three thousand, But when he gets out there,
he's just an absolute beast. And I do believe that
he is the modern day Sandy Kofax, where there is
(37:32):
no self promotion. He doesn't want any media, but obviously
being a great pitcher, first ballot Hall of Fame, he's
going to get it. But he just wants to be
a part of this team, wants to help us win,
and he just loves competing. So for me, we're going
to se him on Saturday, and I just can't wait
to see that kind of toughness, that fight, that compete,
because that resonates with everybody and it raises the bar
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for all of us.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
You know, it's funny. The final question, if people always
complain the NBA's along, and I'm like, try being a
baseball manager. It's double and your plan outdoors and it's
in the heat and there's pitching injuries. Do you forget
the players for a second? How do you stay fresh?
This is a lot of games, it's all you know
what I mean, You're in a lot of nice hotels.
(38:17):
I get it, but it is it is groundhog day?
How do you make sure it's not? And that you
bring energy every night to this roster that needs it
needs energy, it needs guidance.
Speaker 10 (38:29):
It does, it does, and when you're playing a marathon
of one sixty two, I think the thing is to
keep guys motivated each day. That's probably the biggest challenge
and my thing I love most. I realized probably three
years ago that I wanted to do this longer term,
and fortunately I sign an extension. And at that point
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in time, I realized I got a poor in to
myself because us as coaches and managers, I tell our
guys all the time, we're not allowed to have bad days.
You know, players can do that, but not us. And
so I have found a way to pour more into myself,
my faith being number one and number two. I like
to play golf, and I had the good fortune of
playing Augusta National this road trip as far as well
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as Pine Valley, So it was a pretty good.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Road trip for me.
Speaker 10 (39:17):
And I think for me is when I get out
there and hit the ball around, I come in more
energize because I've kind of filled my cup and the
players certainly feel that, and that's kind of how I've
done to kind of take care of myself a little bit.
But Colin, honestly, I love players. I love the game
of baseball, and so it's fun for me to go
to work each day.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Can you hit a fairway wood? Because I can't.
Speaker 10 (39:40):
You know what, I can? Not great, but I can.
But I'm just saying I can't. I didn't say I
can hit it well, but yes I can't.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
You're the one guy on the planet, not on the
tour that can, Dave Roberts. It's great, sing you thanks man.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
You're the man, Colin, take care. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Oh of course, of course, Dave Roberts, who is you know?
It's you know you think, Oh, the big payroll. I'm
gonna tell you something, folks, try coach in the Philadelphia Eagles.
Oh they all these good players. Yeah, they run through coaches.
Doug Peterson went to the Super Bowl. He's gone, like, you
coach an SEC team, you win a national championship. Jeanie
Chiswick Auburn out two years later, like there's a lot
(40:24):
of pressure to manage the Dodgers, and he's just got
such a nice temperament and reminds me a little bit
of Joe Tory, who for years was managing the a
Rod Jeter relationship. Everybody's like, oh, Tory, there's a reason
he had Don Zimmer on the bench.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
For him.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
It was more than just baseball. You were managing a
lot in the New York media and the New York
talk shows and A Rod and Derek Jeter. To get
a guy a Rod who was arguably the best shortstop,
I'm gonna go play third. You don't think you have
to manage that on a weekly basis. And the tabloids
absolutely
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Here we go. It is a Friday and we are
sold out. We got a lot to talk about wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. Jmac Denver did it.
I thought they were on fumes. Jamal Murray was sick.
Get him in that altitude. Let them play a little bit.
(00:49):
They actually had a bit of a bench last night.
We know that Okac's got all the depth. You now
have taken the tax. You're rooting against okc oh thousand
giver all day. But tonight's the big ones. New York
Knicks can close out the Celtics. I know what you're
doing tonight for Friday night as time. Yes, so Denver
(01:09):
wins at home. They force a game seven, and what
these NBA playoffs have clearly illustrated the dominant regular season teams,
a lot of them pretty, a lot of them three
ball reliant. The Calves are out, the Celtics probably will
be an okay season now in a game seven. We've
always understood playoff basketball is more intense, but the NBA's
(01:32):
willingness to let it be super physical has made the
pretty teams pretty vulnerable. Celts Calves both could be out
by to night and they lived on the three Oklahoma
City's depth and blowouts in youth. They're going to a
game seven. These playoffs have had some tush push to them.
Denver's a great example, old, big, strong, tough, a lot
(01:57):
like Minnesota who's already in the Waastern Conference final, and
Denver's bench. That's been the concern right like it's limited.
But last night, once again, Westbrook hit a couple of
big buckets, and another Gonzaga guy stepped up when Yokich
hit the bench. Julian Strouder was absolutely excellent hitting shots,
again a Gonzaga guy. But it's never been more clear
(02:19):
the gap between the NBA's regular season and postseason. It's
wider than we thought, and we thought it was different,
and a lot of this is Adam Silver just saying, listen,
I'm getting complaints. I'm hearing complaints. It's two three ball reliant.
How do you change it? Let them be physical, bang
(02:39):
around the shooters, scoring inside matters more. Minnesota is not
relyant on a three. Pacers are not reliant on a three.
The Knicks are not reliant on a three. Denver's not
And so now now the Lakers and the Warriors, they
have that veteran playoff experience, but they don't have the
(02:59):
sign and that's their shortcoming. I think it's made for
highly entertaining basketball. I thought Denver was done, but the
former champions have a chin. And again I think I
like Oklahoma City in Game seven, they're at home. I
think they'll shoot the three ball better. But you're giving
me Yokich, you're giving me Gordon Jamal Murray was great
(03:21):
being sick. We have the potential for a number four
seed facing a number three seed in the Eastern Conference
Final and a four seed facing a sixth seed in
the Western Conference Final. And listen, I said during the
regular season, I thought the game was too pretty, there's
too much scoring. I wanted more analytics, less analytics less
(03:43):
three ball shooting, and Adam Silver listened to me and
a lot of you that were saying the same thing.
Let's get physical. It works, it's entertaining basketball, and it's
benefited the Knicks and the Pacers and Minnesota and Denver.
Last night, teams that don't necessarily were on three ball shooting.
We got a game seven. And here's the coach of
(04:03):
the Nuggets, David Adelman.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
The challenge of playing great teams is just being consistent mentally.
And again I've said this year out the series. What
they did this year is incredible. They've earned the home
court on Sunday, and on the flip side, we've earned
the right to go down there in the opportunity to
try to beat them in a game seven. So this
is what it's all about. Team that's done it all
(04:26):
year long. Group in there that hung a banner, you know,
I would tune into this game.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So it's interesting. The Celtics, Calves and the Thunder during
the regular season averaged one hundred and twenty a game.
Those teams are now down to one fourteen, and those
teams we're making sixteen to sixteen and a half three
pointers a game. They're now down to fourteen. Well that's
(04:55):
six points and these are close games. So again, Minnesota,
the Knicks, the Pacers are physical and long. All the
teams with size and aren't reliant on the three are
either winning or about to win. And I think it's
better basketball. I just I've enjoyed the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I've said for years, give me a mid range jumper.
I just don't want sixty two threes winning the NBA championships.
So we saw baseball do this for years. They started
tweaking and tweaking and tweaking, and it was harder to
score runs, and stolen bases were going down. So baseball
makes the base bigger. They get rid of the defensive shift. Well,
(05:37):
what's happening right, there's more hits averages going up, there's
more runs, there's more base runners, there's more stolen bases.
The NFL tweaked their cats. So what we're seeing in
real time here is the NBA, during a season of
three point parades, saying, you know, we don't want to
we don't want our playoffs to look like that. We
(05:58):
want our playoffs to be a out veterans, stars, physicality,
a little NFL toush push and this is what you get.
And I think it's been great. So yesterday a story
broke yesterday. Oh wait, it broke a year ago, and
I got crap for reporting it. Whatever. Seth Wickersham, great
(06:20):
reporter at ESPN, reports something we did a year ago,
which is Caleb Williams dad wasn't in love with the
idea of his son being a Chicago Bear based on
you know, history and the truth. And Caleb Williams, you know,
was considering his options but eventually just said I'll be
(06:41):
a Bear. So and here's the thing. This story broke
yesterday when we were on the air about midway through
the show. All those concerns and all those Chicago Bears
hurdles turned out to be true. So where you land,
you know, this is seventy five percent of the game
for a quarterback. Gold got Matt Stafford easily the best
high school quarterback in the country, best college quarterback. Had
(07:04):
to go thirteen years to really find Sean McVay. He
was seventy four and ninety in Detroit, first couple of
years in Los Angeles, Like, is he better than Aaron Rodgers?
He's hoisting a Trophy beating Joe Burrow in the biggest
game of the year. Go look at Jared Goff zero
for seven with defensive minded Jeff Fisher. One year later,
(07:26):
eleven and four with McVeagh and a passer rating in
the hundreds. He looked like a bust Sam Darnold, disaster
with a defensive coach, and the Jets, well some Adam
Gase and you know, some offense, some defense. But where
you land matters. Disaster in New York, struggled in Carolina,
magical in Minnesota. Baker Mayfield, It's Hugh Jackson, It's Freddie Kitchens,
(07:48):
it's Greg Williams, it's it's Oh Then he finds McVeigh
and he finds Liam Cohen. What do you know, Baker
looks like a top twelve to thirteen quarterback in the NFL.
You know, the bottom line in this stuff is if
you start looking at your Bakers, if you start looking
at Donald, if you start looking at Goff, if you
start looking at Stafford, if you start looking at all
(08:09):
these guys, where you land matters. And that's what Caleb
Williams was worried about. I mean, it's like if you
were going to date a rockstar, and you were worried
about infidelity and a wild lifestyle. That's not being cynical,
that's not being skeptical. Those are legitimate concerns. Now, the
good news is, and we talked about this yesterday, the
good news is you can rebound. You couldn't like twenty
(08:29):
years ago, if you got stuck with your first coach.
You know, coaches that may be it, like that's it.
There are so many now great young offensive minds, so
many McVeigh copycats, you know, Kevin O'Connell Minnesota, they call
them the Taal, Sean McVay. There are so many good
offensive coaches. For a Donald or a Geno Smith or
a Tua or a Jared Goff has a second chance.
(08:52):
And I think Caleb got lucky. The Bears got rid
the front office ownership got rid of the defensive head
coach that's in the defensive staff. They got him potentially
his Sean McVay. And I think Ben Johnson much like
Sean McVay or Sean Payton in Denver or Kevin o'connla Minnesota.
(09:12):
What's the first thing Ben Johnson did clean up the
offensive line for his young quarterback something Mike Tomlin can't
do for the last decade, So I think it's going
to turn out well. But I think all this stuff.
Ask yourself when you were coming out of college, if
I would have told you, yeah, there's this company that's
going to choose you. They really like you, but they
have one hundred year history of not getting your position right,
(09:33):
would you not be concerned. So here's ESPN Seth Wickersham
that story that broke during our show yesterday on Chicago Radio,
and then Ben Johnson too.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Seth, how close do you think the Williams family was
to actually not being drafted out of the Bears and subway
either getting out of it or having one of these
plans come to fruition. I mean, I think it was like,
you know the gasolines out do we want to like them?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And Jabb didn't want to like the match.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
I see a chance for greatness here for him. He's
been communicated that way and he feels the same way.
I don't know what's going on prior to him joining
the organization, but he is very proud to be a
Chicago Bear, That's what our conversations have included. And he's
really excited to get to work right now and be
the best version of himself for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
I'm excited.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
That's what makes coaching fun is when the hiccups occur,
when the adversity strikes, how do we respond to it.
That's when you find out who you are as a man.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
For the record one year from now. Arch Manning. I
just read a story about arch Manning. He's put on
like eight to ten pounds or some muscle. He's really
worked in his mechanics. Arch Manning is going to be
the number one pick in the draft, and you know,
if you asked him privately, you know where he'd want
to go. The Rams, who have two first round picks,
(10:59):
but they're gonna be too good, and they have Atlanta's
first round pick, and Atlanta probably wins a lot of
games in the Week Division, so they probably won't have
the ammo to move up to get arch Manning. Privately, though,
that's where he wants to go. He would love to
go to them, not Cleveland, who also has two first
round picks. It's nothing against Kevin Stevanski, but you got
(11:20):
Picket and Shaduur and Dylan Gabriel and Joe Flacco. It's
a circus. Johnny Manziel, you passed on Mahomes. It's a circus,
so like it's and I think everybody watching or listening
to the show understands it. Sports can be incredibly cruel.
The harder you work coming out of college as an athlete,
the worst organization you often go to. Cross your fingers
(11:42):
on Ben Johnson. I do think him activating the front
office with the Bears and going heavy in O line investments.
Joe Tooney Drew Dolman is a great sign. First thing
Sean Payton did in Denver for bow Knicks get the
O line right, McVeigh. First thing he did from Jeff
Fisher Andrew Whitworth left tackle from the Bengals. So that
(12:05):
was the first thing he did. Let's go get the
offensive line right. That bodes very well for Caleb Williams.
But I have no problem with his dad skepticism or
his as well. All right, J mack tonight is huge.
The Knicks. Now, Boston's a weird team. Jmack, It is
historically weird. Their net rating is better without Jason Tatum.
(12:26):
It's I know, it's crazy. I what's the line. I
would guess the Knicks are favored by one or two.
I like the next tonight, do you so? Yes?
Speaker 6 (12:34):
I do like the next day we'll win.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
That being said, this whole idea that the Celtics net
rating is better without Tatum, Like we need more context.
Who are they playing? You know, are some other Celtics missing?
I think this that game was less about Tatum. The
last one more about the move to put Luke Cornett
in the game in the second half for Porzingis, who
gave him nothing. Luke Cornett had seven blocks Colin. There's
(12:57):
videos online where he's guarding three and four people. Joe
Mizzoula finally got off his hands and did something.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
It was a genius move.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
But I still like the nixt to Night Garden gonna
be a nice scene. They're very excited from my Knicks advancing.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Well, it'll obviously the biggest Knicks game in I mean,
however long and if they win three yeah, I mean
it's it's but I mean, you're it's. The Knicks history
has been greater than the next recent history. Their their
their valuation as a team has always been greater than
(13:31):
their productivity and results. But the world of basketball is
it's Madison Square Garden tonight.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
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Dave Roberts, Dodgers manager, stopping by in forty minutes, Best
team in Baseball, Best player ever o Tawny Bubble had night.
He did it again? So uh oh, well, Well, I
have been defending occasional anonymous sourcing. I get a lot
of my information from people who are going to give
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me more honest, sometimes ruthless opinions. They don't have to
put their name on it. I don't do it all
the time, but I will defend anonymous sourcing. You see
these anonymous polls. The NBA does well. The WNBA just
did an anonymous poll. You don't have to put your
name on it. And the truth finally came out. Caitlin
(14:29):
Clark voted on by general managers, the Beast point guard,
the Beast shooting guard, and the singular player they would
start the franchise with. In the weird insular WNBA. This
has been a real struggle. You know the truth, So
once you could be honest about it, and that's I
(14:50):
guess what you have to be anonymously in the WNBA,
and there's these people who are fans of indie bands,
international so and the WNBA. They have this gate keeping mentality,
will tell you who's great. Colin. I was watching the
WNBA long before Caitlin Clark. Well, yeah, it's not my problem.
(15:16):
Your social life was boring. I'm not going to apologize
for watching it when it got really interesting. And I've
said this about Steph Curry. I love Draymond Green and
Jimmy Butler and pods, but if you take Steph Curry
out of the Warriors, they're kind of boring. And if
you take Caitlin Clark out of the WNBA and her team,
it's not the same. She's packing now larger arenas. She's
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taking and making shots nobody's ever done in the history
of the sport. She is Steph Curry. I mean, there's
a reason the NBA puts Steph Curry on Christmas, and privately,
the NBA was Steph Curry out of the playoffs. Nose
Minnesota is not going to get the same number WNBA players.
Weirdly have been fighting. Oh stop fighting the truth, get
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out of your own way. It is a bad look.
She is a fascinating player, and it must be exhausting
hating new cool things. I mean, here's what twenty when
Steph Curry entered the NBA, you didn't hear any of this.
WHOA slow down? You know what you heard, bro? I
can take those shots now. Steph Curry opened up the
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floor for other guys and shooting big guy started practicing
their threes, forward started practicing their threes. He opened up opportunities.
And never forget the Warriors valuation was three hundred and
fifteen million dollars before he got there. The latest valuation
is eight point two billion. That's not just Draymon and pods.
(16:48):
I'm gonna tell you that's Steph Curry. That's Steph Curry.
The WNBA flew commercial flights before she played a game.
They went to privatize flights. Okay, that's Caitlin Clark, only
Caitlin Clark. So just promote it, market it ride. The
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best wave this league has ever had. Doesn't mean it
doesn't mean they haven't had great players. It doesn't mean
they don't have other really great players. But you get
these comments, you get these unique unicorns. That's what she is.
And once she went to an anonymous poll, the gms
are like, Yep, that's who you'd start the franchises with.
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That's the best point guard, that's the best shooting guard.
That's the best thing we have. It's been obvious for
everybody except a big chunk of WNBA players.
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Speaker 1 (18:47):
Dave Roberts, Dodger manager, top of the next hour, playing
great baseball. Got to keep those pictures healthy, which is
just incredible in baseball. Over the last five to ten years,
all the Tommy John's injuries have tripled. Danny Parkins four
years dominated Chicago radio. Now he's at FS one breakfast
Ball and he's joining us. He knows is Chicago sports.
(19:09):
So Seth Wickersham, very respected guy, comes out and you
know he's writing a book on the history of quarterbacks,
and all of a sudden, here's Caleb Williams. Caleb William's dad.
I really defended Caleb, and I said, you know, years ago,
if your first team stunk, you were really behind the
eight ball. Now goff to a Baker, Darnold Gino. There's
(19:31):
so many good offensive coaches that you do get second
and third opportunities. Baker Mayfield now crushing it. So I
think Caleb's going to be fine. But what was your
takeaway on some of the comments by Caleb and his
dad about the Bears before they became Bears.
Speaker 9 (19:48):
Well, first of all, you were all over this, You
were reporting this well before the draft, that Caleb and
his camp had some concerns about the Bears. And you know,
when Carl Williams said this is where Chicago's where court
backs go to die. I think there were about a
million Bears fans in the Chicago metro area who were like, yep,
we know, yeah, that's about as relatable, like thank you,
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like that scene in Wolf of Wall Street.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
One of us, one of us, one of.
Speaker 9 (20:13):
Us, Like it would have been like if a Chicago
cub was like, you know, I believe in curses before
twenty sixteen, like we're well aware that that's.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Where quarterbacks go to die. I thought Caleb was maybe
like ten percent too honest with Seth Seth Wickersham.
Speaker 9 (20:29):
I respect the fact that he owned up to it.
I don't think he needed to say that he had
his hand on the nuclear button for the nuclear option
He's like, yeah, I was considering nuking the city.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Probably probably not necessary.
Speaker 9 (20:40):
You could have just been saying, you know, I was,
you know, evaluating all of my options, and I'm thrilled
to be a bear. But the thing about it was
was that all of the concerns Colin ended up being justified.
They fired Shane Waldron nine games into the year, and
Caleb Williams said he was watching film alone.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
And had never been taught how to watch films.
Speaker 9 (20:59):
So it explains why it was such a disaster last season.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Now again, TUA defensive coach to McDaniels made a Pro Bowl.
I mean Greg Williams, Hugh Jackson, Freddy Kitchens to McVeigh,
and Lean colem transformed Baker's life. Goff Fisher to McVeigh.
One of the things that's been noteworthy, Kevin O'Connell did this,
Sean Payton did it in Denver immediately, and this is
(21:23):
one of the things. McVeigh did it in LA with
Andrew Whitworth. It's a very encouraging sign. The really good
offensive coaches consolve offensive lines. Andy Reid McVeigh in an
off season, they don't even need a season. They were
in an offseason. So my take on Ben Johnson is
he gets it their money and focus on the O line.
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I don't think people understand how good Dolmen and Toney
are like in NFL circles. Those are like very respected players.
So I think I say, I think Chicago's a wild
card team or is that overly optimistic?
Speaker 6 (22:00):
No, it's not overly optimistic at all. It's a tough schedule.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
The win total in Vegas is eight and a half,
but they upgraded left guard, center, right guard, nose tackle,
defensive end, tight end one or two depending on how
you value Cole Comet wide receiver, three, head coach, and
play caller all in one offseason.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
That's pretty substantial. That's pretty good.
Speaker 9 (22:25):
There's always going to be more pressure on the Hall
of famers who have been paid who haven't won a
Super Bowl, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, But Caleb Williams is
going to be very high up on those lists of
who's under the most pressure to perform this year because
you can look at the Bears roster and say, okay, kid,
time's yours.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Like what do the Bears not have at this point?
Speaker 9 (22:44):
They've done everything right after sabotaging his rookie year.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
There's a lot of things to take away from the
NFL schedule. I thought of the Chargers between Brazil, all
these short weeks against Detroit Buffalo, the Chargers get this
cookie dough soft middle of the schedule I had predicted.
I think they're gonna pull back. They're on the margins
anyway right now. They enter the season with kind of
a sketchy O line, which is the only thing that's
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ever undone that's been the only kryptonite for Mahomes has
been like left tackle or O line issues. So I
do think they'll pull back and be like a ten
eleven win team, not a dominant not a dominant operation.
Is there something about the schedule that jumped out to
Danny Parkins.
Speaker 9 (23:28):
Well, last year we talked about the Pittsburgh Steelers, how
they needed to get off to a strong start because
the end of the season schedule was so brutal. That's
the Dallas Cowboys this year, and I know, Okay, America's team.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
They're going to be on national TV.
Speaker 9 (23:41):
No one's crying for the Cowboys, but it's literally historic.
Week twelve through Week seventeen, they play every team on
their schedule, won eleven or more games last year. They
play on Thanksgiving, they play on Christmas, and there's two
four day breaks, Like they have four days off between
the Eagles and chief I don't know the greatest memory
(24:02):
in the world, but those two teams were in the
Super Bowl last year. Like that's that's fairly difficult. Then
four days off between Chargers and Commanders with that Commander's
game being on the.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Road is remarkably difficult.
Speaker 9 (24:13):
So we knew the opponents ahead of time, but I
thought the sequencing for Dallas was absolutely brutal to finish
the season.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
So, you know, the Knicks game tonight can be one
of two things, historically great or a nightmare. I like
them tonight. Kind of your forecast, you're in the city,
your forecast for what we see tonight in an interesting series.
Speaker 9 (24:38):
I think the first quarter is gonna tell us a lot.
You know, this is objectively the biggest game at Madison
Square Garden since the Conference finals in two thousand.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
New York is a basketball town. Just asking New Yorker.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
The Knicks are the one thing that really truly unites
the city because you know, Metts and Yankees, all the
different hockey teams, Jets, and Giants. That's fairly well understood,
whether you've spent a day here, an hour here, or
year years, your entire life here.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
It's a Knicks town.
Speaker 9 (25:03):
But Colin, you know this, three to one can get
spun two different ways. It's having thirteen times in NBA
history a team came back from down three to one
or a team collapsed from being up three to one.
When lebron came back from down three to one against
the Warriors, it's the single most impressive thing I've ever
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seen in basketball.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
He does it against the super team.
Speaker 9 (25:26):
He leads both teams in all five statistical categories. That
was framed as a comeback with Tatum rupturing his achilles.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
If the Knicks lose, this will be a choke.
Speaker 9 (25:37):
Now, maybe if Boston ends up winning the title, history
will be a little bit kinder to it. But in
the immediate aftermath, this will go up there as a
one of the great chokes in NBA playoff history and
one of the great chokes in New York's sports history.
You remember, of course, four Yankees Red Sox that's down
three to zero. They come back, the Bloody Sock Game.
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Dave Roberts with the Steel Big Poppy the VP, Johnny
Damian the Grand Slam.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Three ones not as bad as three to zero.
Speaker 9 (26:04):
But when the star player on the Celtics ruptures and Achilles,
I'll just say, the Knicks better come out hot in
the first quarter of tonight or that's going to be
a very very tense building over at the world's most
famous arena.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I know this is it happened almost a week ago.
I didn't get your take on this. Nick and I
were aligned on this. I'm not listen. If the NBA
was going to rig things, they wouldn't have Zion going
to the Pelicans and Wemby going to the Spurs. What
do you make of all the Cooper flag Dallas Maverick
rig talk. I think it's ridiculous, but I am in
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the minority.
Speaker 9 (26:41):
Apparently you're not in the minority. This is an Internet creation.
Everything is a conspiracy on the Internet. It's not enough
to be like journalists were in the room and then
the NBA is like, Okay, here's the video of the
pingpong balls coming out and people.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
Are like, yeah, you edited it. I honestly like don't
know what people.
Speaker 9 (27:02):
Need to see to believe, Like, can you reverse engineer it. Yeah,
of course, but if let's let's say the Spurs would
have won the lottery, you don't think people would have said, oh,
it's rigged. They want to take care of Greg Popovich
as he transitions to his role as president of basketball operations,
and they need Victor Webbin yamnna be good. So like
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Philadelphia big market, Chicago big market, you can always attach
a conspiracy to the back end of an outlier event.
And one point eight percent is an outlier event. But
it's not impossible. It's one point eight percent, So of
course it's not rigged. It's objectively ridiculous. It is a
little upsetting. Like I will say that Nico Harris like
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like Nico Harrison didn't deserve it, right, like MAVs fans
deserve it. But the thing that I more so than
that it was rigged talk I thought, the most like
objectionable thing is like Nico Harrison gets.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
The last laugh.
Speaker 9 (27:58):
Why because I mean because pingballs bounced his way.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Like to me, that was actually a worse take than
it was rigged.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Great stuff, Danny Parkins from Chicago now in New York
FS one great see anybody have a good weekend.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Let's talk anytime, Colin, Thank you, all right.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Danny's really interesting. I try to get him on the
volume as much as I can. Good storyteller, a lot
of background history in Chicago. Yeah, it's it's I just
you know, it's I've said this before. Bill Parcells used
to say, don't draft a celebrity quarterback, but you know,
the world change. They're all celebrities now. I mean, shoud
Ur Sanders is going to be a celebrity. Now what
you do with that celebrity arch Manning is a celebrity.
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That's why he's been so understated. He won't talk. He's
hiding because he knows he's already going to be viewed
as a Manning and a celebrity should do or Sanders
leaned into it, turned people off. Caleb leaned into it,
turned some off. But he was so talented that he
went number one at worse, he was going to go
to to Jayden Daniels. So you know, I think Caleb
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Williams is the re of what you're going to see
going forward. You're gonna see you're gonna get big star quarterbacks.
They're going to get paid. I just read a story
this morning driving to work. I think I think Arch
Manning is going to make six million dollars this year
at Texas, Like that's the new reality. That's what they make.
That's more than rookie quarterbacks are going to make in
many instances, in most instances, because about twelve to thirteen
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quarterbacks get drafted a year, Eleven of those twelve or
twelve of those thirteen are not gonna make six million dollars.
And I also think that benefits college football in the NFL,
that some of these quarterbacks that could come out may
stand extra year. You know, Andrew Luck could have come out,
stayed extra year. Peyton Manning, like I the nil to me,
the the I don't know if it was an intended
(29:43):
benefit or not. The benefit is stay in college another year,
is a college basketball or college football player, and just
get better coaching and be more mature when you come
out in season. Our two Dave Roberts, Dodger manager.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
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Speaker 1 (30:08):
All right, let's bring him in. One of our favorite guys,
Dave Roberts ten years, Dodger manager's two World Series championships
last five years. You know, I think I said earlier
today that Tiger Woods, Lebron James, and o'tani are the
only athletes in my life that came in hyped and
have exceeded it. I mean, I think Lebron surpassing Magic
Johnson and assists and Kareem in points is exceeding the
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hype with o'tawi. How do it's weird to say, manager, coach,
what do you do when you have the greatest baseball
player probably ever suggest things? Is it? I mean, what
is it like to manage a Tiger in his prime,
a Lebron in his prime?
Speaker 10 (30:49):
I think it's one of those things that it's an
interesting question. And number one is you try to stay
out of the way as much as possible and not intervene.
That's number one. But I also think that you got
to just treat these guys like everyone else, and I
think that they really watch closely that you don't try
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to treat them any differently. But there's different in the
sense of what they earn that right, But for the
most part, I treat him just like anyone else, but
call him, Yeah, I agree. It's just like you know
Tiger what he did? You know Lebron the expectation and
you can probably say maybe Michael, but there's not many people.
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And now you're talking about show Hay on a global
scale like and he's really the only player I've ever
seen that's moved the needle with baseball.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yeah, no, it's it's Baseball's in a good spot right now.
I mean, Aaron Judge is putting up cartoon numbers. Oh, Tawny,
two huge brands. A lot of the best players are
in the best spots now you well, No, Tawny on
Bobblehead night hits two home runs and has six RBIs
give me a sense of the personality of the dugoutla amazed?
(32:01):
Are they laughing? I mean this kid literally on Bobblehead
nights in games in which the world is watching, is better.
Like what is the reaction or the chemistry like in
the dugout at a night like last night?
Speaker 4 (32:14):
It's laughable, it really is.
Speaker 10 (32:16):
I think that you know his Bibblehead night homers and
I would say his on base plus slug as ops
with the Bibblehead is probably two thousand. It seems like
two homers every time. No, but Colin, it's unbelievable. Like
any big moment, there's just you know, it's like Michael
taking the last shot Tiger, He's gonna make this putt.
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That doesn't always happen, but this guy seems like every
single time there's a big moment, a big spot anticipation,
he delivers. And it's just with baseball where you just
can't dictate all the time. It's just it's really uncanny
and like I said, laughable, I guess is my answer.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
What's the hardest I mean, I know you've got a
great roster. What's the hardest part about managing a really
great roster?
Speaker 10 (33:10):
I think understanding. I think the hardest thing is having
these guys want for more, always kind of having some
type of carrot, and at the end of the day,
trying to find something that's bigger than them. Because players
are motivated by different things, whether it's celebrity, it's money,
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it's the Hall of fame. But if you can get
these guys ultimately having a consistent message that it's not
just about them, they will get their flowers and their notoriety,
but it's about for us. It's winning a baseball game.
Each day and winning a championship and now potentially creating
a legacy for the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
You know, it's interesting. Your guys R and D has
been great, your analytics, you're ahead of the curve a
little like the Warriors in the NBA. It's a really
smart organization top down. But the pitching injuries, Snell Glassnow,
it's just it's all over baseball, Tommy John surgeries have
exploded over the last decade, and I, you know, I
read about this stuff and a lot of people are
saying the reason being all through baseball. It's not a
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Dodger issue, it's a sports issue. Is that the answer
to everything now is throw harder. We'll replace in the
fifth or sixth inning. And I'm just going to throw
that out as a theory because it's not just the Dodgers.
The it's everywhere with pitching injuries. Is the problem now
that the instruction of baseball as guys throw as hard
as you can every pitch, Because that's one of the theories
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out there about the increase in pitching injuries.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Yeah, I think that's fair. I do.
Speaker 10 (34:41):
And the unfortunate thing is that it's starting in you know,
middle school. You know kids that are eleven twelve playing
travel ball. And I'm not trying to dig travel ball
because I will say that the players are better than ever.
But right now we're in a culture where so as
hard as you can, go as hard as you can,
for as long as you can, the compensation is for strikeouts,
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swing and miss. And so if you're a player, you're going, okay,
what's my compensation where the value is not you know,
going seven innings, giving up four runs, throw one hundred
and twenty pitches. It's potentially going four or five innings,
striking out eight or nine guys, and that's my compensation.
And with that, you know you're throwing as hard as
you possibly can, every pitch, ripping, breaking balls, you're going
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to break and that's unfortunate what's happening. So I can't
argue with the player as far as the competition piece
of it, the compensation and also the organization.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
You're trying to compete and win.
Speaker 10 (35:37):
And so to have a guy you know, temper back
and throw eighty five percent of his potential velocity to
not get out, that doesn't sound too appealing either. But
the industry, the breakdown, the injuries, it is unfortunate because
you do want to see the best players out there.
So I appreciate you saying it's certainly not a Dodger thing.
It's an industry wide think and how are we going
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to combat that? I don't know the answer.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
No, I've been reading about this because I knew you
were coming on, and I'm like, it's everywhere. You know,
it's Clayton Kershaw is going to have a say season
debut tomorrow. And I mean there's an argument. I think
it's a fair argument. He's our Sandy Kofax. I mean,
he is in this era, he's the Sandy Kofax. And
he doesn't have to He's got a pile of money,
he's got success rings, and Clayton he wants to be
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part of this magic. And what does he ad? Give
me stuff I don't see in the locker room, on
the team plane, in in in your office off days?
What does he add?
Speaker 10 (36:40):
Man? You and I got to go have a beer
at some point because I just love this conversation.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
You know, Clayton.
Speaker 10 (36:47):
Adds certainly a track record, he adds toughness, compete. I
was actually telling my wife last night, we're talking about
Clayton pitching, and I was I just can't wait to
see him get back out on the mount and watch
that compete where every single throw is conviction and he's
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just not going to be denied. And he puts in
the work for me, and he is like a different
person than when I had him in sixteen. He's a
father now of four or five kids, and he's got
a different perspective. Right he sees the finish line. Now
he's chasing three thousand, But when he gets out there,
he's just an absolute beast. And I do believe that
he is the modern day Sandy Kofax, where there is
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no self promotion. He doesn't want any media, but obviously
being a great pitcher, first ballot Hall of Fame, he's
going to get it. But he just wants to be
a part of this team, wants to help us win,
and he just loves competing. So for me, we're going
to se him on Saturday, and I just can't wait
to see that kind of toughness, that fight, that compete,
because that resonates with everybody and it raises the bar
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for all of us.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
You know, it's funny. The final question, if people always
complain the NBA's along, and I'm like, try being a
baseball manager. It's double and your plan outdoors and it's
in the heat and there's pitching injuries. Do you forget
the players for a second? How do you stay fresh?
This is a lot of games, it's all you know
what I mean, You're in a lot of nice hotels.
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I get it, but it is it is groundhog day?
How do you make sure it's not? And that you
bring energy every night to this roster that needs it
needs energy, it needs guidance.
Speaker 10 (38:29):
It does, it does, and when you're playing a marathon
of one sixty two, I think the thing is to
keep guys motivated each day. That's probably the biggest challenge
and my thing I love most. I realized probably three
years ago that I wanted to do this longer term,
and fortunately I sign an extension. And at that point
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in time, I realized I got a poor in to
myself because us as coaches and managers, I tell our
guys all the time, we're not allowed to have bad days.
You know, players can do that, but not us. And
so I have found a way to pour more into myself,
my faith being number one and number two. I like
to play golf, and I had the good fortune of
playing Augusta National this road trip as far as well
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as Pine Valley, So it was a pretty good.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Road trip for me.
Speaker 10 (39:17):
And I think for me is when I get out
there and hit the ball around, I come in more
energize because I've kind of filled my cup and the
players certainly feel that, and that's kind of how I've
done to kind of take care of myself a little bit.
But Colin, honestly, I love players. I love the game
of baseball, and so it's fun for me to go
to work each day.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Can you hit a fairway wood? Because I can't.
Speaker 10 (39:40):
You know what, I can? Not great, but I can.
But I'm just saying I can't. I didn't say I
can hit it well, but yes I can't.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
You're the one guy on the planet, not on the
tour that can, Dave Roberts. It's great, sing you thanks man.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
You're the man, Colin, take care. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Oh of course, of course, Dave Roberts, who is you know?
It's you know you think, Oh, the big payroll. I'm
gonna tell you something, folks, try coach in the Philadelphia Eagles.
Oh they all these good players. Yeah, they run through coaches.
Doug Peterson went to the Super Bowl. He's gone, like, you
coach an SEC team, you win a national championship. Jeanie
Chiswick Auburn out two years later, like there's a lot
(40:24):
of pressure to manage the Dodgers, and he's just got
such a nice temperament and reminds me a little bit
of Joe Tory, who for years was managing the a
Rod Jeter relationship. Everybody's like, oh, Tory, there's a reason
he had Don Zimmer on the bench.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
For him.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
It was more than just baseball. You were managing a
lot in the New York media and the New York
talk shows and A Rod and Derek Jeter. To get
a guy a Rod who was arguably the best shortstop,
I'm gonna go play third. You don't think you have
to manage that on a weekly basis. And the tabloids
absolutely
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