May 19, 2025 • 39 mins
Colin gives his thoughts on the final 4 of the NBA, and how the game is changing
He talks about Brock Purdy's huge deal with the 49ers and what to expect this season
People need to loosen up about the rivalry between Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark
Where Colin was right and wrong
Guest: Geoff Schwartz
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
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One hour from now. Where Colin was right, Where Colin
was wrong. We have an emerging, heated rivalry in the WNBA.
Brock perty got played. We have four NBA final teams.
Final four teams all led my point guards, which is unique,
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not centers, not wings.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
But j Mack.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I know you love rock party, so you're going to
ride his coat tails a little today. That's fine with me.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
I had to text you about the brock Purty deal
over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Very excited.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
I'm officially taking Niners to the Super Bowl. Column Niners
Bills lock it up?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
All right?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Well, all right, good luck with that.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So brock Purty got two sixty five one hundred million guaranteed.
He basically fifty three million a year, which is the
area I worried about. Listen, I am willing to pay
quarterbacks fifty to fifty five million dollars a year that
lead their teams or that are the offense, not that
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quarterbacks that comply with it. Lamar Jackson with a great
organization and a great coach, he gets hurt. Baltimore can't
score Tom Brady with Belichick, he leaves. They fall off
a cliff. Jimmy Garoppolo got this roster to the Super Bowl.
So my take is, I like quarterbacks who initiate advantage,
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not benefit mostly from it. And I'm not saying he's
a smart kid that doesn't move well, but it's like
movie directors and movie stars in Hollywood. Spielberg and Creuz
are filling the theater. Many people benefit being in their movies,
and some with a lot of talent. But again, Hollywood
has a bit of a salary cap. Like there are
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budgets for movies and there are budgets for teams. So
I think brock perty tends to be closer in talent
to a Baker Mayfield thirty five million a year than
Josh Allen fifty five million a year. And I'm not
saying Brock is the only quarterback I think's overpaid. It
does appear that Trevor Lawrence is overpaid.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I said it at the time.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I think Dak Prescott and Tua I didn't like those contracts.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I was right on both.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
But you know, the critics say, well, Justin Herbert hasn't
won a playoff game either, But I think most people
in the league know he can deal. So here's what
the contract tells me. It tells me that Kyle Shanahan
has all the power. And Kyle Shanahan's looking at that
contract and he's looking at the guy who's smart, coachable, moves. Well,
they don't play in crappy weather where Brock Purty's not
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been the same guy as he has been in more
temperate weather, and he's good with it. But we all
know the more you pay to and Dak, the less
they have around him. To his O line would be
a lot better if he made thirty five million a year,
and Dak would have more weapons if he made thirty
five to forty million dollars a year. So I've said this,
the Niners didn't really attack their offensive line in the offseason.
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Trent Williams sprains and knee or an ankle, cross your fingers.
He doesn't, and Brock Purtty's going to have to once
again lead the team and initiate offense. You know, it's interesting.
There's a guy that's going to get paid next.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
C J Stroud. C J.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Stroud went to a franchise that was a dumpster fire
with a rookie head coach and a rookie coordinator and
kind of a bad team and led him to the playoffs.
And then last year, his top two receivers got hurt,
another receiver was in and out of the lineup, the
offensive line was awful, and he led him to the
playoffs again and won a playoff game.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Stroud is somebody I would pay. Okay again, he is initiating,
he is overcoming. Last year there was a great moment
for people to judge brock Perty. He lost Christian McCaffrey,
the team was banged up.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
How did he do?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
He was one and six against playoff teams. So again,
I think a lot of people can drive this forty
nine er car right, Garoppolo drove it to.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
The Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I don't think there's a lot of quarterbacks could.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Do with c. J.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Stroud's done in Houston, rookie coach, rookie coordinator, O Line
in the tank, Tank Dell gets hurt, Stefan Diggs gets hurt,
and he's won the division back to back. Now you
can say, well, the division isn't good. Well, brock Perty's
best year was when Christian McCaffrey, by the way, was
third in MVP voting in the Rams and Arizona were
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both in rebuilds. So we'll see. I wouldn't have paid it.
I would wanted a more team friendly deal. He is
now in the class of a lot of big money quarterbacks.
Some Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, A c J. Stroud next,
I would have no problem paying others Toua, Dak and Purty.
I'm less comfortable. I've been right on Tua, I've been
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right on Dak. I think I'm right on brock pretty
we'll find out, but it does. It does signify who's
running the franchise. And shan Ann's like, he doesn't make
a lot of mistakes, he's coachable, he moves well enough.
If we can keep him healthy, the schedule is easy.
I can win eleven twelve games with this guy. And
there's you can tell by drafts who's in control of
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the franchise. You can tell by contracts to quarterbacks who's
in control of the franchise. I mean, Mike Tomlin is
controlling the Steelers. How do I know they still don't
have a quarterback right there's no urgency for them at
quarter That tells me Tomlin has all the power right now,
all the Jews in Pittsburgh. Okay, So I think this
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is really interesting. And one of the things we talk
about that we love about sports on the show is
that there's a lot of cultural changes. Baseball has done
a really good job to improve and you know, kind
of take advantage of some things and make the game faster,
and it's helped ratings in revenue. So the NBA got
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into a, you know, for a kind of a stretch,
especially when Lebron would move around in Miami or Kevin
Durant would move to the Warriors, where you just had
like three Hall of Fame players. And the medium sized
markets are the unglamorous markets, the Memphis, the Portland's you know,
markets like that are like, well, well wait a minute.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
That's not fair.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And Adam Silver took over for the late David Stern
and there's some things he had to eventually unpack. So
I think what is interesting with the final four teams
in the NBA playoffs Indiana both led by high eq
IQ point guards, and the two best players for Oklahoma
City and Minnesota are guards as well. Four guards lead
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their teams, and especially in the East, Why why why
is this happening?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Because with the.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
New CBA, right and all these aprons that punish teams,
you can't stack your roster with Chris Bosh, Lebron and Wade,
with Kevin Durant, Steph and Clay in their prime. So
what you're seeing is rosters with a lot of rotational
B players. And so the point guards who can score,
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Hallie can score, Brunson can score, Sga can score, and
can score. But it's the guards that not only can
finish and Brunson's become an a plus finisher, but can
elevate others, elevate role players. That's what the is now
and it's happened very quickly with a new CBA. Once
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Boston has to unpack some of these guys. Horford will
be gone, Poor Zingles will be gone, Drew Holiday's gone there.
We thought they had a bit of a two year
head start, grandfathered in cheat code, but they got new owners.
Now maybe the owner's sold because they saw the reality
when they won that title. This is as good as
it's going to get. The new norm in the NBA
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is roster construction and smart iq EQ guards that can finish,
but can elevate all those B players. I mean, you
look at Oklahoma City SGA is your A. Everybody else
really plays a role. You saw Caruso yesterday, how valuable.
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Look at Minnesota it's aunt, but Gobert doesn't score. Julius
Randalls just now emerging as a two. Mike Conley passed
his prime NOAs reed defender, athletic undrafted. You start looking
at all these teams now, Indiana's roster construction, Okac's roster
can struction, Minnesota great GM or roster construction led by
guards now the NIXT Interestingly, they play about six to
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seven guys, and so we'll see how it plays out.
I think Indiana should be a slight favorite over New York,
and I don't know what to make of Minnesota Oka.
See again, I think OKC home court advantage that will
probably matter in a game seven. But I think we're
seeing a couple of moves in the NBA. So Adam
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Silver takes over for David Stern. He can't make all
these moves. Immediately, it had become a three ball shooting league.
David Stern was more willing to let stars accumulate in
one spot, and Adam Silver said, I don't like it.
This is going to be the seventh different champion in
seven NBA seasons. That is Adam Silver's league. Adam Silver
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also either sent a memo or made phone calls and says,
I want more physical basketball. What does physical basketball do?
Physical basketball? Where's teams out? Notice the sh shooting percentage,
the field goal percentage plummeted. It's the lowest field goal
percentage in like six NBA seasons. Shooters are getting hit,
Shooters are getting leaned on, shooters are having to defend.
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The scores are coming down. So the next got a
little fortunate here where the league moved into them. But
I like what the league is now. It's more fair
to more teams. The big markets can still flourish. There's
still places where stars want to go. There's still trades
that will be made. But it's point guards scoring, yes,
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but elevating roster construction and B to B plus players
around them. Here's sga on what he sees with his
team and going forward.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
We can win no man of the environment, and no
matter the type of game.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
It can be ugly, it could be pretty, could be
high scoring, it could be low scoring. It can be
a lot of free throws, it could be no free throws. Like,
no matter what it is, we can we can find
a way to win. And I think that's that's very
important this time of the year.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, And I also think this when you allow more
physicality all these three point parade teams like Cleveland and
Boston and Golden State, you allow more physicality. It's hard
to be a finesse team when you're in a fistfight
in a phone booth. And Detroit was physical, and Houston
was physical, and the Knicks are physical, and and Minnesota
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can be physical. It's a big advantage. The regular season
was pretty basketball. Fill your lanes, grab the three, nobody touches,
you shoot it backpedal. That's not what the playoffs were
So I like it's point guard led, it's more physical,
fewer whistles, more twos over.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Threes, and I like what I saw. So J Mac, I.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Think, I think I like Indiana slight edge, probably OKC
on depth they get Game seven at home.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Do you have a strong do you have a strong
pull either way? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:58):
I will go Nicks Timberwolves in the finals. And I'm
not just going opposite you. That's what I picked back
in October. Oh my podcast. I was bullish on the Knicks.
Obviously during the season I backed off a little bit,
but it could be a good final four. I am
curious though, seven final different champions in seven years. I
thought you and I liked dynasties because.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
In the twenty teams when it.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Was the Super Warriors against the Super Cabs and the
Super lebron teams, the ratings for massive and now when
we see like Heap Nuggets, ratings are.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Like half that.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
So I thought we liked super teams in the final.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Well, remember the NBA got its seventy six billion dollar contract.
Now it's up to the networks to make it work
the NBA. The players are happy, the coaches are happy,
the owners are happy, and the commissioner's happy. Now that
they have the bag. It doesn't matter about ratings. If
people want to troll the NBA, go for it. I've
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always said this, once't you sell your house, Who cares
what somebody does with it. It's not your house. The
NBA got the money, they have an eleven near deal.
It's not their concern if NBC can make it work.
So and Adam Silver's take was what he was always trying.
He was much more concerned about the ratings. I knew
that from the league office. They didn't like all this
anti ratings talk. Now they don't care. They got their money.
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What they want is Adam Silver's bosses or owners half
the league. Half the owners were like, well, we can't
get Katie Stephan play. We can't build a roster like Boston.
We're not a we're not a huge marquee franchise. And
so he had to you know, that's that's who his
bosses are. So again, when the NFL signs contracts, it's
up to Fox and CBS and Netflix.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
It's up to you to figure out how to make
it work. Right.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So the NBA, now the ratings talk, you know, let
people it doesn't really matter anymore. And to argue that
it's not a successful league, it's a star driven league.
Hockey struggles, they don't have them, right, Like, if you
want to talk about leagues that struggle, NBA's got stars,
and it's international soccer. It's got plenty of stars and
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big brands. It'll always be okay in my lifetime anyway.
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Forty five minutes from now. Where Colin was right and
where Colin was wrong. So I said this last year
with a WNBA, people just aren't used to the heated
intensity of a great rivalry in the WNBA.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
They're not used to it. In the NBA.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
We had MJ and the Pistons, we had Bird and Magic,
we had the Lakers in Detroit.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
We're kind of used to it.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
And so I think even the officials aren't quite sure
what to do and how to act. Yesterday, as Caitlin
Clark and Indiana hammer the Chicago Sky, it was like
four and a half minutes left in the third, there
was a foul.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
It should not have been upgraded into a flagrant fowl.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
It was a foul, and I really think if you
true respect women's basketball, let them play sort of like guys.
Many of the media themselves, who consider themselves WNBA friendly,
are too often patronizing and pandering rivalries, equal ratings. Sports
is better with intensity. Animosity is part of it. It
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was a physical basketball play. This is okay. Who cares
if Angel Rees doesn't like Caitlin Clark. It's not soccer.
I don't need Jersey swamps, lambeerd couldn't stand in. Isaiah
couldn't stand MJ. MJ still hates Isaiah. It made a
documentary great. So I the WNBA, if you respect it
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and the league, the women are getting bigger and better.
They're just the passing, the ball handling. It's a better
league than ten years ago. Caitlin Clark obviously has jet
fuel to its popularity right now.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
The Fever outdraw the.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Indiana Pacers, and the Pacers are really fun to watch. So,
but I didn't think this was a flagrant. This is
a basket and people just aren't used to it. So
too many people are precious and pandering and projecting, and
they're polarizing, and Angel Reese got the best of Caitlin
junior year of college, then Caitlin got the best of
Angel senior year of college. Last year, they were both exceptional.
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Clearly Caitlin's more popular. And yesterday the Indiana fever. I mean,
we're looking at like a Tiger Woods, That's what we're
looking at here. Angel Reese is a good player, She's
not a phenomenon. Tiger was Lebron, was Taylor Swift? Is
Caitlin Clark is so? But the foul, to me, it's like,
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just let them play. It wasn't a flagrant. It was
just a hard fowl. Here's Caitlin after.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
I'm not sure what the rest saw to upgrade it,
and that's up to their discretion after watching the initial
whatever happened during the play, and then whatever happened after.
You know, we watch a lot of basketball. You it's
a takefoul to put them at the free throw line
or rather give up two points. I've watched a lot
of basketball in my life. That's exactly what it was.
I wasn't trying to do anything malicious. That's not the
type of player I am, So yes, was it anything
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like that? And I went for the ball, and that's
clear as day in the replay. You watch it, you
know it shouldn't have been upgraded.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So they're not even quite sure how to officiate this rivalry.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Take a deep breath. The women are adults. They can
handle it.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Basketball, College pro WNBA is all better when it's a
little chippy, When there's real rivalries, a couple of scoops
of animosity, it is okay.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Take a deep breath.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Even the officials now not quite sure how to handle it.
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Speaker 1 (18:45):
Here we go, our number two on a Monday. You know,
j Mac, I have discovered something in Chicago. I eat
a lot more bread and I'm and it's all good.
I told my wife. Can we mix in? I don't know,
canialoe some seafood? I'm eating a lot of bread and
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it's all amazing.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Oh boy, you gained some weight huh yeah, right before
your big trip.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Huh yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Pounds so you can look like a typical American over there.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yeah. I am all right. We do it every Monday
at this time. Colin is right.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Colin is wrong, and there is as always plenty of both.
Where Colin was right, well, I'm somewhat vindigated. I broke
the story a year ago that Caleb Williams and most
notably his dad, were a little uneasy and unsure about
his son playing in Chicago. Excellent reporter Seth Wickersham also
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last week reporting the same thing. Listen, Caleb and his dad,
looking at the history of the quarterback position, had said,
this is where quarterbacks go to die. I was told
the same thing. Caleb didn't want to push the nuclear button.
He did not want to start his NFL career controversy,
so he complied. He went to the Bears. But it
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should be duly noted that all of his concerns about
the Bears and chaos did come true.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I would not have paid Brock pretty in the fifty millions,
but the Niners did. I said, listen, Tua and Dak,
you'll become top heavy, and the Dolphins and the Cowboys did.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Listen. Kyle Shanahan is running the operation.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
He's a smart kid, moves pretty well, terribly coachable, and
let's be honest, when you give him time with the
weapons like Kittle and Jennings. He's an accurate distributor of
the football. I thought they'd pushed back. I thought they'd
try to get in the forties, but he got closer
to fifty five million than forty five million. Where Colin
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was right, Caitlin Clark. It took a year, but the
league has finally figured it out. The WNBA is going
to televise at this point today all but two of
her games, and those may eventually get televised.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
She is Taylor.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Swift meets Tiger Woods. We said this last year. The
league just didn't quite know what it had. Right now,
the Fever are out drawing not only a good team
in the Indiana Pacers, but a highly entertaining Eastern Conference
Finals team in the Indiana Pacers. She is a once
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in a generation not only talent talent, but revenue stream
and the WNBAS finally figured it out.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I thought the Denver Nuggets would push Oklahoma City to
six or seven games. I did like the Thunder to
win the series based on depth and levers their coach
could pull. But the series, if you listen to odds makers,
they thought it was going to be a landslide, and
I'm sorry even the odds makers don't quite understand how
good Jokich is. Yesterday, by about mid to late second quarter,
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they ran out of gas. Murried didn't do anything. Aaron
Gordon was playing at about seventy percent. But I thought it
would be a close series, and it was.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
The New York Knicks listen after they won that first
game coming back from twenty in Boston. I said, they're
not gonna win. They're not gonna win another game in
this series, and I.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Really believed it.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
But the physicality in the NBA playoffs benefited a lot
of teams. I mean, it made the Pistons more viable
against the Knicks. It helped the Knicks, it helped the Pacers,
it helps Minnesota, and Boston was a pretty team that
was heavily reliant on threes, and three point shooting has
gone down significantly in these playoffs.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
I'm here for it.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I like the layered style of play the NBA is encouraging,
but I was wrong on that.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Series where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I never got the hate for Tyrese Halliburton. I Q
distributes controls, pacing, he can score elevate others. He was
voted most overrated player on an NBA anonymous poll. Some
of it's just petty, but I think when you watch
him play, you're seeing the future of the NBA. The
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new CBA is not going to allow for stacked rosters.
It's going to be point guard driven, elevating other B
and B plus players. And I think Halliburton's as good
as anybody.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
At the league at that where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
The New England Patriots, I said back in March, they
are the number one bet on my board to double
their wins. And the over unders and or future bets
came out last.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Week and lo and behold.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
The Patriots were favored in eleven of their seventeen games.
So listen, Major upgraded head coach d Line. They had
eleven draft picks, so I can only assume their death
they'll be better. I think they got a left tackle
in the draft and Will Campbell. I don't think there's
any question the AFC is harder top to bottom than
the NFC, but I think a coaching upgrade. Sean Payton
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proved this in Denver. Can be somewhere between three four
and six points per game and if you had just
given this team six to seven points more last year,
they would have won ten games.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Well, now even X steeters popular X steeters like Ryan
Clark are sounding off about Mike Tomlin. I think Mike
Tomlin's going to get votes for the Hall of Fame.
I think he's a great motivator. But Ryan Clark said
last week his message has grown stale. Listen, it's an
offensive league. This team can't figure out their offensive line
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for seven years. They're showing no urgency at quarterback. Who
knows if Aaron Rodgers is going to be around. Even
pat Riley used to say it, you get about ten
years to coach, and then people players tune you out.
I think Tomlin's going to get Hall of Fame votes,
But listen, Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll all time
co which is it moved on or been moved out?
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And I just feel like it's time in Pittsburgh.
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Speaker 1 (25:17):
Jeff Schwartz played in the NFL for almost a decade.
Of course, his brother is Super Bowl winner right tackle
for the Kansas City Chiefs. He is now joining US Live,
which we always appreciate him stopping buy also host a
bare Bets podcast with our friend Chris Flika, So you
know the Caleb Williams. One of the comments off the
seth Wickersham book was there's nobody there watching film with me.
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So you tell me, when you're watching film as a quarterback,
is it a solo endeavor?
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Are their coaches always there? You tell me.
Speaker 10 (25:48):
What I found interestingly about that comment isn't really about
the coaches helping him. He says, there's no veteran.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
To help him.
Speaker 10 (25:53):
That's how you learn watching film from veterans, from guys
have done it before. Yeah, your coaches can help you,
but they coach at the game plan if the meat
on their own. And there are specific times when you
do me with them and they do work with you.
But a lot of time when you watch film quote
unquote like on your own, it's with a veteran. When
you're a young player. I mean, Jordan Gross was my
mentor give the shout out. He helped me learn how
to watch film, how to lift, how to prepare how
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to do all those things. And when you look at
the depth chart last year of the Bears, there was
no veteran like that was a huge mistake of theirs
that they didn't have someone just there, not to compete
with him for the job, but just there. Hey man,
here's how you prepare. Here's how you watch film. Here's
how you watch a pressure tape. Here's how you watch
a base defense tape. Here's what do you on Fridays,
the here's how you prepare on Saturdays. And of course
ones that always do exactly what the veteran tells them
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to do, but it's a good sounding board, it's someone
to talk to who's been through the battles of NFL season.
There was no one there to do that with. So
couple with probably not understanding that coaches might not watch
as much film with you as you'd like, is you
have to find a different way to learn. And that's
a way a lot of guys learn. And so that
was surprising to me that I, I guess I hadn't
thought about that, and I when looked back at the
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depth chart and.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
There was no one there.
Speaker 10 (26:59):
No he makes to help him.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Do his comments.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
They bother boomeras size, and do they bother you in retrospect?
Speaker 4 (27:09):
They don't bother me.
Speaker 10 (27:10):
I do questions sort of the timing of why they're
out now the book that's it's not due till September
last I checked it in the middle of May. Are
people rushing out to buy the book today because the
comments are out? So that's kind of I don't know
why they're out today. But look, his dad, I think
I ended up being right in year one law of dysfunction.
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Not great situation. So you know, in the end, his
dad was right. Now obviously now you can change the
course of the history of the Bears, right you bring
in Ben Johnson, you're bringing the additions they've made to
the offensive line on defense, and you can become the
Bear's first four thousand yard pastor and change everything. But
I think up until now, his dad has been right.
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I mean, his family's been right. It has been dysfunctioned.
And look, I know they helped to change that with
the Ben Johnson higher.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
You know, it's funny the world.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
We I can like a player, but in a salary
cap sport, you know, I don't worry about it. In
baseball Peywan Soto what you want if you're Steve Cohen.
But I didn't like the to A deal or the
Dak deal, and I feel the exact same way about
the brock Pretty deal. I like Dak and Tua at
the right number. Now revenues go up, maybe fifty three
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feels like forty eight in two years. But I feel
the exact same way I've called brock Pretty, Jeff, the AFC.
Tua not as good in bad weather, a little smaller
than i'd love, can struggle pushing the ball downfield again
if it's a little windy or inclement and a couple
injuries where one more, I'm not sure what I have.
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Do you feel that it's kind of like the to
A deal.
Speaker 10 (28:49):
I feel like he's one of the quarterbacks that you
have mentioned that needs a lot around him to elevate
his team.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Right.
Speaker 10 (28:55):
He's not a guy like an Alan Mahomes Herbert Jackson,
like we know that, right, guy that's can elevate everyone
around him. If things are going well, he's going to
play really good. The thing we don't talk about with
the Niners and with some of these teams as well,
that's that signed these quarterbacks is how important it is
to draft and develop when you play, when you pay
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someone this much money. The Chiefs have done it well,
the Eagles, the Ravens, the Bills to some extent, the
Niners haven't. Go look at their roster right now, Colin.
Find me the impact players they have drafted in the
last five seasons.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Right, Not a lot of them.
Speaker 10 (29:30):
And that's what's going to hold them back is they
have not draft and developed. And look, they lost multiple
first round picks on the Trey Lance deal, so they
have a first round pick for a couple of years.
Hard to draft impact players in the third, fourth, and
fifth round like successfully year after year, and they just
don't have So they're there. They paid Rod Prey, which
they had to do, as you mentioned, like they had to.
They had to do it, there was no option. But
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now you look at the roster and you think, Okay,
when Tren Williams is gone, When when Kittle's older, when
McCaffrey's older, when all these guys get older, where are
the packed players? And the last year's draft was good,
I think so far. But they got a guard and here,
so I think it'll be good, but obviously was hampered
first half of last year with playing time. The problem
with the Niners isn't they paid party that the rest
of the roster. Where's the young, impactful players.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, they're hoping Michael Williams. Is that they're hoping the
kid they got in the first round.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
You know, it's a couple of weeks ago we had
or a week ago we had the rookie mini camps.
Now I am under the I believe this that Dylan
Gabriel was a reach. I don't think he's an NFL quarterback.
Of note, I think the front office of Cleveland, not
counting the owner, wanted to draft a quarterback so they
get out of the Chadure conversation. My buddy John Middlkoff
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mentioned this, and then by the fifth round, the owner
knocked on the door and said, go draft him. That said,
I think Shador is going to win the job. I
don't think he's great, but I think he's accurate. He
moves well enough. Where do you land on that circus?
I mean, it's Kenny Pickett, it's Gabriel a door. It's like,
where are you on the Cleveland quarterback situation?
Speaker 10 (31:04):
I feel like there's sort of two separate job applications
jobs happening, right, there's like the Flacco Kenny Pickett who's
going to start Like that's one competition, right, and the
loser of that most likely is released, Okay, And then
there's sort of like the Gabriel Sanders who's the primary backup.
I don't think that at Gabriel Sanders camp unless they
are so good early in training camp are going to
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overtake sort of the picket Flacco, who's going to start competition? Right,
because look, those guys have experience. And I mentioned this
when the draft happened. There's four quarterbacks that need reps.
You have single practices. Now you don't have two days,
and now even practices you get every fourth day off
and you have a load of management day. Like, there's
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just not enough reps calling unless you there is that
good early on, he's that much better than Flacco, which
he probably won't be in practice, right. Flacco has done
this a long time now, so you basically would have
to give him the job. Saying hey man, we just
see so much a practice there's not a lot to
see in games yet will give them jumps. I think
early on it's probably Flacco, Pickett, whoever wins that job,
and then the primary backup will just be the winner
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of the Sanders Gabriel, I thank you. Look, Gabriel, I'm
with you. I think he's a career backup, but he's
gonna look good in practice, Like You're gonna have to
basically lose that job in the preseason, and I think
you will think Santors will play better than him. So
I think that right now. I think Flacco starts probably
the year as a quarterback. At some point though Sanders
overtakes him and get shoutcause Flaco gives you only so much, right,
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there's not a lot of upside in that. Just sort
of get you through the first couple of weeks, maybe
feel good about your offense, get some wins here and there,
don't make a ton of mistakes. Eventually that's gonna run out.
We saw it Nindy last year. They tried to bench
Richardson for Flacco. Lasted like two weeks. So I think
Sanders will eventually play, but probably not aout the season.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Number one.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I was talking about this, there's been these questions about
I'll circle back to Caleb Williams that there was a
little bit of ego and I said, well, he was
the first NIL superstar. So I've defended him, and there
was questions about Chaudeur not wanting to like like, you know,
his dad kind of leading the charge on. So the
last couple of years we've had Caleb a little pushback
(33:12):
on the emotion. Nil Shadeur Sanders drops in the draft.
Dad's talking. Next year we have Arch Manning and again
the Manning family is American royalty. Now I think it's
interesting how they've handled it. They have never transferred, they've
been Now he's making six million nil. So I think
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the Mannings have because of Dad Eli Peyton, Like they
get the game, they get the quarterback position right, like
just be a good sport, be a backup to quinn Ewers.
But you're a college football die hard and I think
I'm beyond the casual in college football. What do you
make a year out? A year ago today, quinn Ewers
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was a first round quarterback? Is Arch Manning? Is the
Manning name a bigger part of this than the talent?
What do you see with him?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Yeah, well we just have. He hasn't played a ton
of football yet.
Speaker 10 (34:05):
I mean when he's played the football, there's obviously signs
that he can mature in to something that's that's special.
I need to think about this year in college football.
It's the year the quarterback. I mean, there's like eight
quarterbacks right in the top of your head that could
go number one. Now, obviously they probably all won't be
the ninth quarterback who goes first overall. But you look
at you look at Arch, you look at a club
(34:26):
Nick and ness Meyer and and all these guys. And
I'm missing obviously a bunch of names here. Like, there's
gonna be so many quarterbacks this year. It's gonna be
sort of like an ice cream flavor, right, like you
pick your favorite one and it might be different across
different teams. Art just has to play more. When you
see more consistent play just hasn't played right. You were
just been the starter. He's spots started. He's looked good
in those moments. But look, when you spots start, teams
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don't have film on you. You know, it's the fifth, sixth,
seventh game in a row you played, where teams start
figuring out. Okay, well, when he rolls to his right,
he does this. When he looks left, he does that.
Here's the offensive that they design for him. What if
we take that away? What's next? So in the glimpses
we've seen, he looks like a very complete quarterback. Just
you see a full season. He'll get a full year
this year. A lot of people predict Texas back in
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maybe a championship game, winning the SEC. Like he'll have
his moments this year, calling they have a hard schedule,
like they play at Ohio State and then have Georgia
as well. They might have Bama as well, like they're
they're gonna have an opportunity or he will have an
opportunity to play the better teams in the country to
show us whether or not he's good enough. Now, the
last thing I'll say here, the NFL draft, I think
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has gone away from what do you show me on Saturdays?
And it's more what can you be on Sundays? So
we might think a quarterback here and there doesn't have
it in college, but teams look at his talent, his
arm talent, his his his maturity, his mental capacity, his
ability to see things you know, happen in real time,
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and say we want that guy on our team. The
college production doesn't matter as much, so this would be
a fun year. There's so many quarterbacks this season, there
could be seven eight guys in the top two days.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Jess Schwartz, I want to leave you with this, and
I said this last year. I got some pushback. I
said it last week. Is that people are hyper ventilating.
The first thing the WNBA did is they just didn't
understand how popular Caitlin Clark was. I mean again, with
Taylor Swift, you got ten years off your ticket master
to figure out.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
How popular she was.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Sometimes you just don't know how big of a star
she is. So I'm not going to crush the league
for that. But it was funny watching the foul over
the weekend that got upgraded to a flagrant, and I thought, God,
the league doesn't know how to.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Efficiate this rivalry yet. It's like nobody quite knows how
to handle it.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
What did you make of this foul, the flagrant, the
talk after, what did you make of it?
Speaker 10 (36:48):
I like competitors that are firing. I've said this for
many years now, Like sports are emotional. It's okay if
in the emotion of a sport too grown adults yell
each other and are angry. I've never had a problem
with it. I don't get the flagrant foul system in basketball.
I've never gotten it that didn't look like a flagrant
to me. They sort of deem like anything extra non
(37:12):
intentional that's a little bit hard as a flagrant foul.
The thing that's so fascinating to me. And I'm gonna
steal this from from Josh pay because as he came
up with this with this term in twenty twenty three,
when Colorado started three to zero, there were a lot
of people talking about Colorado and Dana Sanders that did
not talk about college Trumble ever, and they said things
that were now a little bit different. And that's the
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deon tax, he said, right where it's people that don't
really cover the sport, don't they don't pick tens of
the sport that now we're forced to talk about it
because it's popular and they're on shows and they gotta
say something. It feels like right now we're like a
WNBA tax, the Caitlin Clark injuries tax, where people are
commenting about the sport a don't watch it, that don't
watch sports a lot, they don't understand sports. Like, to me, yeah,
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it's a hard foul, it happens in sport. Injuries got
upset she yelled at Cluck like that, That's what happens
a lot all the time, NBA, NFL, NHL. Mean you
watch NHL, I watch tons of h They fight like
all the time. They punch each other in the face,
they get into it after goalie gets hit, Like so
to me, that's sports, and there's nothing more or less
than what happened during that play. But everyone has to
(38:17):
talk about it because they want to talk about the
popular thing that happened this weekend. So it's like it's
attacks on new fans having the time there was. I've
seen stuff where people said calling that she should not
play against a fever anymore injel reaches, Like what are
we doing?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
This is just sports.
Speaker 10 (38:32):
They just they're passionate athletes who one one founder, one yeldner,
Like that's it. It's nothing more than that.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, basketball is not soccer. We don't swap jerseys animosities. Okay,
there's a history from high school, AAU college of the
pros where teams don't love each other. I mean it
was I covered UNLV and Duke. You remember this year
old enough to remember this. I covered U and LV
and Duke, and the coaches loved each other. But there
was a lot of good guy bad guy you know,
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the guys in the Dead they're they're there, bad guys.
The Duke kids are great, and there was a lot
of animosity and in the end it was like it
was great. A lot of those players ended up liking
each other or playing with each other. And I think
to Josh, Paige is a smart guy. To his credit,
there's a lot of overreaction to what is just sports,
that's all is.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
It's just sports, that's all it is.
Speaker 10 (39:22):
And I think, by the way, this is all great
for the league. Like I think they didn't realize what
was coming the last couple of years. But all this attention,
more eyeballs. I've never watched more WMBA, not not just
Kaylyn Clark, like all of it more often now, some
of that as a sports wagering, of course, but nonetheless,
like I've watched more of it. I know you have,
like we all have, and it's good for me and
they'll figure out sort of, I think what the discourse
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should be when it comes to these two players.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Jeff Schwartz, as always, Buddy, I appreciate it, Thank you,
Take care, Bud.
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One hour from now. Where Colin was right, Where Colin
was wrong. We have an emerging, heated rivalry in the WNBA.
Brock perty got played. We have four NBA final teams.
Final four teams all led my point guards, which is unique,
(00:56):
not centers, not wings.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
But j Mack.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I know you love rock party, so you're going to
ride his coat tails a little today. That's fine with me.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
I had to text you about the brock Purty deal
over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Very excited.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
I'm officially taking Niners to the Super Bowl. Column Niners
Bills lock it up?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
All right?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Well, all right, good luck with that.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So brock Purty got two sixty five one hundred million guaranteed.
He basically fifty three million a year, which is the
area I worried about. Listen, I am willing to pay
quarterbacks fifty to fifty five million dollars a year that
lead their teams or that are the offense, not that
(01:40):
quarterbacks that comply with it. Lamar Jackson with a great
organization and a great coach, he gets hurt. Baltimore can't
score Tom Brady with Belichick, he leaves. They fall off
a cliff. Jimmy Garoppolo got this roster to the Super Bowl.
So my take is, I like quarterbacks who initiate advantage,
(02:01):
not benefit mostly from it. And I'm not saying he's
a smart kid that doesn't move well, but it's like
movie directors and movie stars in Hollywood. Spielberg and Creuz
are filling the theater. Many people benefit being in their movies,
and some with a lot of talent. But again, Hollywood
has a bit of a salary cap. Like there are
(02:23):
budgets for movies and there are budgets for teams. So
I think brock perty tends to be closer in talent
to a Baker Mayfield thirty five million a year than
Josh Allen fifty five million a year. And I'm not
saying Brock is the only quarterback I think's overpaid. It
does appear that Trevor Lawrence is overpaid.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I said it at the time.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I think Dak Prescott and Tua I didn't like those contracts.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I was right on both.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
But you know, the critics say, well, Justin Herbert hasn't
won a playoff game either, But I think most people
in the league know he can deal. So here's what
the contract tells me. It tells me that Kyle Shanahan
has all the power. And Kyle Shanahan's looking at that
contract and he's looking at the guy who's smart, coachable, moves. Well,
they don't play in crappy weather where Brock Purty's not
(03:16):
been the same guy as he has been in more
temperate weather, and he's good with it. But we all
know the more you pay to and Dak, the less
they have around him. To his O line would be
a lot better if he made thirty five million a year,
and Dak would have more weapons if he made thirty
five to forty million dollars a year. So I've said this,
the Niners didn't really attack their offensive line in the offseason.
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Trent Williams sprains and knee or an ankle, cross your fingers.
He doesn't, and Brock Purtty's going to have to once
again lead the team and initiate offense. You know, it's interesting.
There's a guy that's going to get paid next.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
C J Stroud. C J.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Stroud went to a franchise that was a dumpster fire
with a rookie head coach and a rookie coordinator and
kind of a bad team and led him to the playoffs.
And then last year, his top two receivers got hurt,
another receiver was in and out of the lineup, the
offensive line was awful, and he led him to the
playoffs again and won a playoff game.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Stroud is somebody I would pay. Okay again, he is initiating,
he is overcoming. Last year there was a great moment
for people to judge brock Perty. He lost Christian McCaffrey,
the team was banged up.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
How did he do?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
He was one and six against playoff teams. So again,
I think a lot of people can drive this forty
nine er car right, Garoppolo drove it to.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
The Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I don't think there's a lot of quarterbacks could.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Do with c. J.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Stroud's done in Houston, rookie coach, rookie coordinator, O Line
in the tank, Tank Dell gets hurt, Stefan Diggs gets hurt,
and he's won the division back to back. Now you
can say, well, the division isn't good. Well, brock Perty's
best year was when Christian McCaffrey, by the way, was
third in MVP voting in the Rams and Arizona were
(05:01):
both in rebuilds. So we'll see. I wouldn't have paid it.
I would wanted a more team friendly deal. He is
now in the class of a lot of big money quarterbacks.
Some Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, A c J. Stroud next,
I would have no problem paying others Toua, Dak and Purty.
I'm less comfortable. I've been right on Tua, I've been
(05:23):
right on Dak. I think I'm right on brock pretty
we'll find out, but it does. It does signify who's
running the franchise. And shan Ann's like, he doesn't make
a lot of mistakes, he's coachable, he moves well enough.
If we can keep him healthy, the schedule is easy.
I can win eleven twelve games with this guy. And
there's you can tell by drafts who's in control of
(05:45):
the franchise. You can tell by contracts to quarterbacks who's
in control of the franchise. I mean, Mike Tomlin is
controlling the Steelers. How do I know they still don't
have a quarterback right there's no urgency for them at
quarter That tells me Tomlin has all the power right now,
all the Jews in Pittsburgh. Okay, So I think this
(06:05):
is really interesting. And one of the things we talk
about that we love about sports on the show is
that there's a lot of cultural changes. Baseball has done
a really good job to improve and you know, kind
of take advantage of some things and make the game faster,
and it's helped ratings in revenue. So the NBA got
(06:27):
into a, you know, for a kind of a stretch,
especially when Lebron would move around in Miami or Kevin
Durant would move to the Warriors, where you just had
like three Hall of Fame players. And the medium sized
markets are the unglamorous markets, the Memphis, the Portland's you know,
markets like that are like, well, well wait a minute.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
That's not fair.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And Adam Silver took over for the late David Stern
and there's some things he had to eventually unpack. So
I think what is interesting with the final four teams
in the NBA playoffs Indiana both led by high eq
IQ point guards, and the two best players for Oklahoma
City and Minnesota are guards as well. Four guards lead
(07:11):
their teams, and especially in the East, Why why why
is this happening?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Because with the.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
New CBA, right and all these aprons that punish teams,
you can't stack your roster with Chris Bosh, Lebron and Wade,
with Kevin Durant, Steph and Clay in their prime. So
what you're seeing is rosters with a lot of rotational
B players. And so the point guards who can score,
(07:42):
Hallie can score, Brunson can score, Sga can score, and
can score. But it's the guards that not only can
finish and Brunson's become an a plus finisher, but can
elevate others, elevate role players. That's what the is now
and it's happened very quickly with a new CBA. Once
(08:03):
Boston has to unpack some of these guys. Horford will
be gone, Poor Zingles will be gone, Drew Holiday's gone there.
We thought they had a bit of a two year
head start, grandfathered in cheat code, but they got new owners.
Now maybe the owner's sold because they saw the reality
when they won that title. This is as good as
it's going to get. The new norm in the NBA
(08:24):
is roster construction and smart iq EQ guards that can finish,
but can elevate all those B players. I mean, you
look at Oklahoma City SGA is your A. Everybody else
really plays a role. You saw Caruso yesterday, how valuable.
(08:44):
Look at Minnesota it's aunt, but Gobert doesn't score. Julius
Randalls just now emerging as a two. Mike Conley passed
his prime NOAs reed defender, athletic undrafted. You start looking
at all these teams now, Indiana's roster construction, Okac's roster
can struction, Minnesota great GM or roster construction led by
guards now the NIXT Interestingly, they play about six to
(09:06):
seven guys, and so we'll see how it plays out.
I think Indiana should be a slight favorite over New York,
and I don't know what to make of Minnesota Oka.
See again, I think OKC home court advantage that will
probably matter in a game seven. But I think we're
seeing a couple of moves in the NBA. So Adam
(09:27):
Silver takes over for David Stern. He can't make all
these moves. Immediately, it had become a three ball shooting league.
David Stern was more willing to let stars accumulate in
one spot, and Adam Silver said, I don't like it.
This is going to be the seventh different champion in
seven NBA seasons. That is Adam Silver's league. Adam Silver
(09:48):
also either sent a memo or made phone calls and says,
I want more physical basketball. What does physical basketball do?
Physical basketball? Where's teams out? Notice the sh shooting percentage,
the field goal percentage plummeted. It's the lowest field goal
percentage in like six NBA seasons. Shooters are getting hit,
Shooters are getting leaned on, shooters are having to defend.
(10:10):
The scores are coming down. So the next got a
little fortunate here where the league moved into them. But
I like what the league is now. It's more fair
to more teams. The big markets can still flourish. There's
still places where stars want to go. There's still trades
that will be made. But it's point guards scoring, yes,
(10:34):
but elevating roster construction and B to B plus players
around them. Here's sga on what he sees with his
team and going forward.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
We can win no man of the environment, and no
matter the type of game.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
It can be ugly, it could be pretty, could be
high scoring, it could be low scoring. It can be
a lot of free throws, it could be no free throws. Like,
no matter what it is, we can we can find
a way to win. And I think that's that's very
important this time of the year.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, And I also think this when you allow more
physicality all these three point parade teams like Cleveland and
Boston and Golden State, you allow more physicality. It's hard
to be a finesse team when you're in a fistfight
in a phone booth. And Detroit was physical, and Houston
was physical, and the Knicks are physical, and and Minnesota
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can be physical. It's a big advantage. The regular season
was pretty basketball. Fill your lanes, grab the three, nobody touches,
you shoot it backpedal. That's not what the playoffs were
So I like it's point guard led, it's more physical,
fewer whistles, more twos over.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Threes, and I like what I saw. So J Mac, I.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Think, I think I like Indiana slight edge, probably OKC
on depth they get Game seven at home.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Do you have a strong do you have a strong
pull either way? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:58):
I will go Nicks Timberwolves in the finals. And I'm
not just going opposite you. That's what I picked back
in October. Oh my podcast. I was bullish on the Knicks.
Obviously during the season I backed off a little bit,
but it could be a good final four. I am
curious though, seven final different champions in seven years. I
thought you and I liked dynasties because.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
In the twenty teams when it.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Was the Super Warriors against the Super Cabs and the
Super lebron teams, the ratings for massive and now when
we see like Heap Nuggets, ratings are.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Like half that.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
So I thought we liked super teams in the final.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Well, remember the NBA got its seventy six billion dollar contract.
Now it's up to the networks to make it work
the NBA. The players are happy, the coaches are happy,
the owners are happy, and the commissioner's happy. Now that
they have the bag. It doesn't matter about ratings. If
people want to troll the NBA, go for it. I've
(12:52):
always said this, once't you sell your house, Who cares
what somebody does with it. It's not your house. The
NBA got the money, they have an eleven near deal.
It's not their concern if NBC can make it work.
So and Adam Silver's take was what he was always trying.
He was much more concerned about the ratings. I knew
that from the league office. They didn't like all this
anti ratings talk. Now they don't care. They got their money.
(13:15):
What they want is Adam Silver's bosses or owners half
the league. Half the owners were like, well, we can't
get Katie Stephan play. We can't build a roster like Boston.
We're not a we're not a huge marquee franchise. And
so he had to you know, that's that's who his
bosses are. So again, when the NFL signs contracts, it's
up to Fox and CBS and Netflix.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
It's up to you to figure out how to make
it work. Right.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So the NBA, now the ratings talk, you know, let
people it doesn't really matter anymore. And to argue that
it's not a successful league, it's a star driven league.
Hockey struggles, they don't have them, right, Like, if you
want to talk about leagues that struggle, NBA's got stars,
and it's international soccer. It's got plenty of stars and
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big brands. It'll always be okay in my lifetime anyway.
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Speaker 1 (14:14):
Forty five minutes from now. Where Colin was right and
where Colin was wrong. So I said this last year
with a WNBA, people just aren't used to the heated
intensity of a great rivalry in the WNBA.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
They're not used to it. In the NBA.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
We had MJ and the Pistons, we had Bird and Magic,
we had the Lakers in Detroit.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
We're kind of used to it.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
And so I think even the officials aren't quite sure
what to do and how to act. Yesterday, as Caitlin
Clark and Indiana hammer the Chicago Sky, it was like
four and a half minutes left in the third, there
was a foul.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
It should not have been upgraded into a flagrant fowl.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
It was a foul, and I really think if you
true respect women's basketball, let them play sort of like guys.
Many of the media themselves, who consider themselves WNBA friendly,
are too often patronizing and pandering rivalries, equal ratings. Sports
is better with intensity. Animosity is part of it. It
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was a physical basketball play. This is okay. Who cares
if Angel Rees doesn't like Caitlin Clark. It's not soccer.
I don't need Jersey swamps, lambeerd couldn't stand in. Isaiah
couldn't stand MJ. MJ still hates Isaiah. It made a
documentary great. So I the WNBA, if you respect it
(15:41):
and the league, the women are getting bigger and better.
They're just the passing, the ball handling. It's a better
league than ten years ago. Caitlin Clark obviously has jet
fuel to its popularity right now.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
The Fever outdraw the.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Indiana Pacers, and the Pacers are really fun to watch. So,
but I didn't think this was a flagrant. This is
a basket and people just aren't used to it. So
too many people are precious and pandering and projecting, and
they're polarizing, and Angel Reese got the best of Caitlin
junior year of college, then Caitlin got the best of
Angel senior year of college. Last year, they were both exceptional.
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Clearly Caitlin's more popular. And yesterday the Indiana fever. I mean,
we're looking at like a Tiger Woods, That's what we're
looking at here. Angel Reese is a good player, She's
not a phenomenon. Tiger was Lebron, was Taylor Swift? Is
Caitlin Clark is so? But the foul, to me, it's like,
(16:38):
just let them play. It wasn't a flagrant. It was
just a hard fowl. Here's Caitlin after.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
I'm not sure what the rest saw to upgrade it,
and that's up to their discretion after watching the initial
whatever happened during the play, and then whatever happened after.
You know, we watch a lot of basketball. You it's
a takefoul to put them at the free throw line
or rather give up two points. I've watched a lot
of basketball in my life. That's exactly what it was.
I wasn't trying to do anything malicious. That's not the
type of player I am, So yes, was it anything
(17:07):
like that? And I went for the ball, and that's
clear as day in the replay. You watch it, you
know it shouldn't have been upgraded.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So they're not even quite sure how to officiate this rivalry.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Take a deep breath. The women are adults. They can
handle it.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Basketball, College pro WNBA is all better when it's a
little chippy, When there's real rivalries, a couple of scoops
of animosity, it is okay.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Take a deep breath.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Even the officials now not quite sure how to handle it.
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Speaker 1 (18:45):
Here we go, our number two on a Monday. You know,
j Mac, I have discovered something in Chicago. I eat
a lot more bread and I'm and it's all good.
I told my wife. Can we mix in? I don't know,
canialoe some seafood? I'm eating a lot of bread and
(19:07):
it's all amazing.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Oh boy, you gained some weight huh yeah, right before
your big trip.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Huh yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Pounds so you can look like a typical American over there.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yeah. I am all right. We do it every Monday
at this time. Colin is right.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Colin is wrong, and there is as always plenty of both.
Where Colin was right, well, I'm somewhat vindigated. I broke
the story a year ago that Caleb Williams and most
notably his dad, were a little uneasy and unsure about
his son playing in Chicago. Excellent reporter Seth Wickersham also
(19:42):
last week reporting the same thing. Listen, Caleb and his dad,
looking at the history of the quarterback position, had said,
this is where quarterbacks go to die. I was told
the same thing. Caleb didn't want to push the nuclear button.
He did not want to start his NFL career controversy,
so he complied. He went to the Bears. But it
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should be duly noted that all of his concerns about
the Bears and chaos did come true.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I would not have paid Brock pretty in the fifty millions,
but the Niners did. I said, listen, Tua and Dak,
you'll become top heavy, and the Dolphins and the Cowboys did.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Listen. Kyle Shanahan is running the operation.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
He's a smart kid, moves pretty well, terribly coachable, and
let's be honest, when you give him time with the
weapons like Kittle and Jennings. He's an accurate distributor of
the football. I thought they'd pushed back. I thought they'd
try to get in the forties, but he got closer
to fifty five million than forty five million. Where Colin
(20:52):
was right, Caitlin Clark. It took a year, but the
league has finally figured it out. The WNBA is going
to televise at this point today all but two of
her games, and those may eventually get televised.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
She is Taylor.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Swift meets Tiger Woods. We said this last year. The
league just didn't quite know what it had. Right now,
the Fever are out drawing not only a good team
in the Indiana Pacers, but a highly entertaining Eastern Conference
Finals team in the Indiana Pacers. She is a once
(21:29):
in a generation not only talent talent, but revenue stream
and the WNBAS finally figured it out.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I thought the Denver Nuggets would push Oklahoma City to
six or seven games. I did like the Thunder to
win the series based on depth and levers their coach
could pull. But the series, if you listen to odds makers,
they thought it was going to be a landslide, and
I'm sorry even the odds makers don't quite understand how
good Jokich is. Yesterday, by about mid to late second quarter,
(22:03):
they ran out of gas. Murried didn't do anything. Aaron
Gordon was playing at about seventy percent. But I thought it
would be a close series, and it was.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
The New York Knicks listen after they won that first
game coming back from twenty in Boston. I said, they're
not gonna win. They're not gonna win another game in
this series, and I.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Really believed it.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
But the physicality in the NBA playoffs benefited a lot
of teams. I mean, it made the Pistons more viable
against the Knicks. It helped the Knicks, it helped the Pacers,
it helps Minnesota, and Boston was a pretty team that
was heavily reliant on threes, and three point shooting has
gone down significantly in these playoffs.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
I'm here for it.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I like the layered style of play the NBA is encouraging,
but I was wrong on that.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Series where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I never got the hate for Tyrese Halliburton. I Q
distributes controls, pacing, he can score elevate others. He was
voted most overrated player on an NBA anonymous poll. Some
of it's just petty, but I think when you watch
him play, you're seeing the future of the NBA. The
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new CBA is not going to allow for stacked rosters.
It's going to be point guard driven, elevating other B
and B plus players. And I think Halliburton's as good
as anybody.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
At the league at that where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
The New England Patriots, I said back in March, they
are the number one bet on my board to double
their wins. And the over unders and or future bets
came out last.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Week and lo and behold.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
The Patriots were favored in eleven of their seventeen games.
So listen, Major upgraded head coach d Line. They had
eleven draft picks, so I can only assume their death
they'll be better. I think they got a left tackle
in the draft and Will Campbell. I don't think there's
any question the AFC is harder top to bottom than
the NFC, but I think a coaching upgrade. Sean Payton
(24:07):
proved this in Denver. Can be somewhere between three four
and six points per game and if you had just
given this team six to seven points more last year,
they would have won ten games.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Well, now even X steeters popular X steeters like Ryan
Clark are sounding off about Mike Tomlin. I think Mike
Tomlin's going to get votes for the Hall of Fame.
I think he's a great motivator. But Ryan Clark said
last week his message has grown stale. Listen, it's an
offensive league. This team can't figure out their offensive line
(24:41):
for seven years. They're showing no urgency at quarterback. Who
knows if Aaron Rodgers is going to be around. Even
pat Riley used to say it, you get about ten
years to coach, and then people players tune you out.
I think Tomlin's going to get Hall of Fame votes,
But listen, Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll all time
co which is it moved on or been moved out?
(25:02):
And I just feel like it's time in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
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Speaker 1 (25:17):
Jeff Schwartz played in the NFL for almost a decade.
Of course, his brother is Super Bowl winner right tackle
for the Kansas City Chiefs. He is now joining US Live,
which we always appreciate him stopping buy also host a
bare Bets podcast with our friend Chris Flika, So you
know the Caleb Williams. One of the comments off the
seth Wickersham book was there's nobody there watching film with me.
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So you tell me, when you're watching film as a quarterback,
is it a solo endeavor?
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Are their coaches always there? You tell me.
Speaker 10 (25:48):
What I found interestingly about that comment isn't really about
the coaches helping him. He says, there's no veteran.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
To help him.
Speaker 10 (25:53):
That's how you learn watching film from veterans, from guys
have done it before. Yeah, your coaches can help you,
but they coach at the game plan if the meat
on their own. And there are specific times when you
do me with them and they do work with you.
But a lot of time when you watch film quote
unquote like on your own, it's with a veteran. When
you're a young player. I mean, Jordan Gross was my
mentor give the shout out. He helped me learn how
to watch film, how to lift, how to prepare how
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to do all those things. And when you look at
the depth chart last year of the Bears, there was
no veteran like that was a huge mistake of theirs
that they didn't have someone just there, not to compete
with him for the job, but just there. Hey man,
here's how you prepare. Here's how you watch film. Here's
how you watch a pressure tape. Here's how you watch
a base defense tape. Here's what do you on Fridays,
the here's how you prepare on Saturdays. And of course
ones that always do exactly what the veteran tells them
(26:37):
to do, but it's a good sounding board, it's someone
to talk to who's been through the battles of NFL season.
There was no one there to do that with. So
couple with probably not understanding that coaches might not watch
as much film with you as you'd like, is you
have to find a different way to learn. And that's
a way a lot of guys learn. And so that
was surprising to me that I, I guess I hadn't
thought about that, and I when looked back at the
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depth chart and.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
There was no one there.
Speaker 10 (26:59):
No he makes to help him.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Do his comments.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
They bother boomeras size, and do they bother you in retrospect?
Speaker 4 (27:09):
They don't bother me.
Speaker 10 (27:10):
I do questions sort of the timing of why they're
out now the book that's it's not due till September
last I checked it in the middle of May. Are
people rushing out to buy the book today because the
comments are out? So that's kind of I don't know
why they're out today. But look, his dad, I think
I ended up being right in year one law of dysfunction.
(27:31):
Not great situation. So you know, in the end, his
dad was right. Now obviously now you can change the
course of the history of the Bears, right you bring
in Ben Johnson, you're bringing the additions they've made to
the offensive line on defense, and you can become the
Bear's first four thousand yard pastor and change everything. But
I think up until now, his dad has been right.
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I mean, his family's been right. It has been dysfunctioned.
And look, I know they helped to change that with
the Ben Johnson higher.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
You know, it's funny the world.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
We I can like a player, but in a salary
cap sport, you know, I don't worry about it. In
baseball Peywan Soto what you want if you're Steve Cohen.
But I didn't like the to A deal or the
Dak deal, and I feel the exact same way about
the brock Pretty deal. I like Dak and Tua at
the right number. Now revenues go up, maybe fifty three
(28:23):
feels like forty eight in two years. But I feel
the exact same way I've called brock Pretty, Jeff, the AFC.
Tua not as good in bad weather, a little smaller
than i'd love, can struggle pushing the ball downfield again
if it's a little windy or inclement and a couple
injuries where one more, I'm not sure what I have.
(28:45):
Do you feel that it's kind of like the to
A deal.
Speaker 10 (28:49):
I feel like he's one of the quarterbacks that you
have mentioned that needs a lot around him to elevate
his team.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Right.
Speaker 10 (28:55):
He's not a guy like an Alan Mahomes Herbert Jackson,
like we know that, right, guy that's can elevate everyone
around him. If things are going well, he's going to
play really good. The thing we don't talk about with
the Niners and with some of these teams as well,
that's that signed these quarterbacks is how important it is
to draft and develop when you play, when you pay
(29:15):
someone this much money. The Chiefs have done it well,
the Eagles, the Ravens, the Bills to some extent, the
Niners haven't. Go look at their roster right now, Colin.
Find me the impact players they have drafted in the
last five seasons.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Right, Not a lot of them.
Speaker 10 (29:30):
And that's what's going to hold them back is they
have not draft and developed. And look, they lost multiple
first round picks on the Trey Lance deal, so they
have a first round pick for a couple of years.
Hard to draft impact players in the third, fourth, and
fifth round like successfully year after year, and they just
don't have So they're there. They paid Rod Prey, which
they had to do, as you mentioned, like they had to.
They had to do it, there was no option. But
(29:52):
now you look at the roster and you think, Okay,
when Tren Williams is gone, When when Kittle's older, when
McCaffrey's older, when all these guys get older, where are
the packed players? And the last year's draft was good,
I think so far. But they got a guard and here,
so I think it'll be good, but obviously was hampered
first half of last year with playing time. The problem
with the Niners isn't they paid party that the rest
of the roster. Where's the young, impactful players.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, they're hoping Michael Williams. Is that they're hoping the
kid they got in the first round.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
You know, it's a couple of weeks ago we had
or a week ago we had the rookie mini camps.
Now I am under the I believe this that Dylan
Gabriel was a reach. I don't think he's an NFL quarterback.
Of note, I think the front office of Cleveland, not
counting the owner, wanted to draft a quarterback so they
get out of the Chadure conversation. My buddy John Middlkoff
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mentioned this, and then by the fifth round, the owner
knocked on the door and said, go draft him. That said,
I think Shador is going to win the job. I
don't think he's great, but I think he's accurate. He
moves well enough. Where do you land on that circus?
I mean, it's Kenny Pickett, it's Gabriel a door. It's like,
where are you on the Cleveland quarterback situation?
Speaker 10 (31:04):
I feel like there's sort of two separate job applications
jobs happening, right, there's like the Flacco Kenny Pickett who's
going to start Like that's one competition, right, and the
loser of that most likely is released, Okay, And then
there's sort of like the Gabriel Sanders who's the primary backup.
I don't think that at Gabriel Sanders camp unless they
are so good early in training camp are going to
(31:25):
overtake sort of the picket Flacco, who's going to start competition? Right,
because look, those guys have experience. And I mentioned this
when the draft happened. There's four quarterbacks that need reps.
You have single practices. Now you don't have two days,
and now even practices you get every fourth day off
and you have a load of management day. Like, there's
(31:46):
just not enough reps calling unless you there is that
good early on, he's that much better than Flacco, which
he probably won't be in practice, right. Flacco has done
this a long time now, so you basically would have
to give him the job. Saying hey man, we just
see so much a practice there's not a lot to
see in games yet will give them jumps. I think
early on it's probably Flacco, Pickett, whoever wins that job,
and then the primary backup will just be the winner
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of the Sanders Gabriel, I thank you. Look, Gabriel, I'm
with you. I think he's a career backup, but he's
gonna look good in practice, Like You're gonna have to
basically lose that job in the preseason, and I think
you will think Santors will play better than him. So
I think that right now. I think Flacco starts probably
the year as a quarterback. At some point though Sanders
overtakes him and get shoutcause Flaco gives you only so much, right,
(32:28):
there's not a lot of upside in that. Just sort
of get you through the first couple of weeks, maybe
feel good about your offense, get some wins here and there,
don't make a ton of mistakes. Eventually that's gonna run out.
We saw it Nindy last year. They tried to bench
Richardson for Flacco. Lasted like two weeks. So I think
Sanders will eventually play, but probably not aout the season.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Number one.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I was talking about this, there's been these questions about
I'll circle back to Caleb Williams that there was a
little bit of ego and I said, well, he was
the first NIL superstar. So I've defended him, and there
was questions about Chaudeur not wanting to like like, you know,
his dad kind of leading the charge on. So the
last couple of years we've had Caleb a little pushback
(33:12):
on the emotion. Nil Shadeur Sanders drops in the draft.
Dad's talking. Next year we have Arch Manning and again
the Manning family is American royalty. Now I think it's
interesting how they've handled it. They have never transferred, they've
been Now he's making six million nil. So I think
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the Mannings have because of Dad Eli Peyton, Like they
get the game, they get the quarterback position right, like
just be a good sport, be a backup to quinn Ewers.
But you're a college football die hard and I think
I'm beyond the casual in college football. What do you
make a year out? A year ago today, quinn Ewers
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was a first round quarterback? Is Arch Manning? Is the
Manning name a bigger part of this than the talent?
What do you see with him?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Yeah, well we just have. He hasn't played a ton
of football yet.
Speaker 10 (34:05):
I mean when he's played the football, there's obviously signs
that he can mature in to something that's that's special.
I need to think about this year in college football.
It's the year the quarterback. I mean, there's like eight
quarterbacks right in the top of your head that could
go number one. Now, obviously they probably all won't be
the ninth quarterback who goes first overall. But you look
at you look at Arch, you look at a club
(34:26):
Nick and ness Meyer and and all these guys. And
I'm missing obviously a bunch of names here. Like, there's
gonna be so many quarterbacks this year. It's gonna be
sort of like an ice cream flavor, right, like you
pick your favorite one and it might be different across
different teams. Art just has to play more. When you
see more consistent play just hasn't played right. You were
just been the starter. He's spots started. He's looked good
in those moments. But look, when you spots start, teams
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don't have film on you. You know, it's the fifth, sixth,
seventh game in a row you played, where teams start
figuring out. Okay, well, when he rolls to his right,
he does this. When he looks left, he does that.
Here's the offensive that they design for him. What if
we take that away? What's next? So in the glimpses
we've seen, he looks like a very complete quarterback. Just
you see a full season. He'll get a full year
this year. A lot of people predict Texas back in
(35:10):
maybe a championship game, winning the SEC. Like he'll have
his moments this year, calling they have a hard schedule,
like they play at Ohio State and then have Georgia
as well. They might have Bama as well, like they're
they're gonna have an opportunity or he will have an
opportunity to play the better teams in the country to
show us whether or not he's good enough. Now, the
last thing I'll say here, the NFL draft, I think
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has gone away from what do you show me on Saturdays?
And it's more what can you be on Sundays? So
we might think a quarterback here and there doesn't have
it in college, but teams look at his talent, his
arm talent, his his his maturity, his mental capacity, his
ability to see things you know, happen in real time,
(35:53):
and say we want that guy on our team. The
college production doesn't matter as much, so this would be
a fun year. There's so many quarterbacks this season, there
could be seven eight guys in the top two days.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Jess Schwartz, I want to leave you with this, and
I said this last year. I got some pushback. I
said it last week. Is that people are hyper ventilating.
The first thing the WNBA did is they just didn't
understand how popular Caitlin Clark was. I mean again, with
Taylor Swift, you got ten years off your ticket master
to figure out.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
How popular she was.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Sometimes you just don't know how big of a star
she is. So I'm not going to crush the league
for that. But it was funny watching the foul over
the weekend that got upgraded to a flagrant, and I thought, God,
the league doesn't know how to.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Efficiate this rivalry yet. It's like nobody quite knows how
to handle it.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
What did you make of this foul, the flagrant, the
talk after, what did you make of it?
Speaker 10 (36:48):
I like competitors that are firing. I've said this for
many years now, Like sports are emotional. It's okay if
in the emotion of a sport too grown adults yell
each other and are angry. I've never had a problem
with it. I don't get the flagrant foul system in basketball.
I've never gotten it that didn't look like a flagrant
to me. They sort of deem like anything extra non
(37:12):
intentional that's a little bit hard as a flagrant foul.
The thing that's so fascinating to me. And I'm gonna
steal this from from Josh pay because as he came
up with this with this term in twenty twenty three,
when Colorado started three to zero, there were a lot
of people talking about Colorado and Dana Sanders that did
not talk about college Trumble ever, and they said things
that were now a little bit different. And that's the
(37:34):
deon tax, he said, right where it's people that don't
really cover the sport, don't they don't pick tens of
the sport that now we're forced to talk about it
because it's popular and they're on shows and they gotta
say something. It feels like right now we're like a
WNBA tax, the Caitlin Clark injuries tax, where people are
commenting about the sport a don't watch it, that don't
watch sports a lot, they don't understand sports. Like, to me, yeah,
(37:55):
it's a hard foul, it happens in sport. Injuries got
upset she yelled at Cluck like that, That's what happens
a lot all the time, NBA, NFL, NHL. Mean you
watch NHL, I watch tons of h They fight like
all the time. They punch each other in the face,
they get into it after goalie gets hit, Like so
to me, that's sports, and there's nothing more or less
than what happened during that play. But everyone has to
(38:17):
talk about it because they want to talk about the
popular thing that happened this weekend. So it's like it's
attacks on new fans having the time there was. I've
seen stuff where people said calling that she should not
play against a fever anymore injel reaches, Like what are
we doing?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
This is just sports.
Speaker 10 (38:32):
They just they're passionate athletes who one one founder, one yeldner,
Like that's it. It's nothing more than that.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, basketball is not soccer. We don't swap jerseys animosities. Okay,
there's a history from high school, AAU college of the
pros where teams don't love each other. I mean it
was I covered UNLV and Duke. You remember this year
old enough to remember this. I covered U and LV
and Duke, and the coaches loved each other. But there
was a lot of good guy bad guy you know,
(38:59):
the guys in the Dead they're they're there, bad guys.
The Duke kids are great, and there was a lot
of animosity and in the end it was like it
was great. A lot of those players ended up liking
each other or playing with each other. And I think
to Josh, Paige is a smart guy. To his credit,
there's a lot of overreaction to what is just sports,
that's all is.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
It's just sports, that's all it is.
Speaker 10 (39:22):
And I think, by the way, this is all great
for the league. Like I think they didn't realize what
was coming the last couple of years. But all this attention,
more eyeballs. I've never watched more WMBA, not not just
Kaylyn Clark, like all of it more often now, some
of that as a sports wagering, of course, but nonetheless,
like I've watched more of it. I know you have,
like we all have, and it's good for me and
they'll figure out sort of, I think what the discourse
(39:45):
should be when it comes to these two players.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Jeff Schwartz, as always, Buddy, I appreciate it, Thank you,
Take care, Bud.
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