June 2, 2025 • 41 mins
Jason McIntyre fills in for Colin to defend his Knicks and send a message of patience after their loss to the Pacers in the Eastern Conference Finals. He believes Deion Sanders made a big mistake with comments about his son, Browns quarterback Shedeur Sanders, and why it’s time to let Shedeur become his own man. He also talks to NBA analyst Ric Bucher about the top 5 players in the NBA right now that don’t have a championship on their resume
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
What is up, everybody?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
It's me Jason MacIntyre in for Colin Cowherd on a
beautiful Monday morning out here on they Colin vacationing. Yes,
this week, nobody takes more vacations than the big guy.
I'm George today by Alex Hurry.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Alex Oh, we have a break show. It's the staff.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
We got find some great stuff.
Speaker 6 (00:50):
We're gonna have a great week con and kick on
on vacations.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
We're hold down the floor. We're gonna have a great time. Listen.
We're doing our best. How is your weekend? With a
phenomenal or excellent?
Speaker 6 (00:58):
And just a joke, you know, I try to make
every day the best day ever. It's kind of my
mindset in life.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
So yeah, we did good. We did good to Oh.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yeah, soon as I'm on to June.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Kids are finishing up school, you got the weather warming up.
I know you're gonna be going to the beach a
lot grateful for.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
Well, yeah, we live at the beach, so it's like
that's you know, Yeah, we're very We're spoiled. I don't
like bragging about it too much live on National TV
because we live and I mean I'm biased cause I'm
born and raised here like one of the most beautiful
places in the country.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
But yeah, no, we're lucky.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah we are.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
And you guys are lucky because we got a phenomenal
show today. Great guess I do have to start with
some bad news and.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It involved my New York Knicks.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
I'm ride or die for this team.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
My first game I ever went to as an NBA
fan was the Knicks way back when I was a kid,
and their season came to a difficult end Saturday night
in Indy. Nicks kind of fell apart in the second half,
got a little frustrated Jalen Brunson delivering a head butt.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
It did not end well, but it was a great season.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Let's not lose the fact that the Knicks had their
best season this century, and of course there's hand ringing
from Knicks fans.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
What do we do? Do we fire Dibbodeaux? Do we
trade Karl Anthony Towns?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Hey j Mack, I got an idea we could move
off mckil bridges and get two role players.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
What do you think?
Speaker 5 (02:19):
What are the moves?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
And you know, listen, guys, I am reactionary. Sometimes I
try to be level headed. Saturday night, when the game ended,
I need to take a few deep breaths, and then
Sunday I get my thoughts cleared. And you know Colin
likes to call himself America's honesty broker. Well, I'm here
to tell you, as the commander in truth that the
(02:41):
New York Knicks need to stand pat and not be reactionary,
not overreact. Let's not pander to blow hard New York
radio hosts or back pages screaming about change. Sometimes the
move is to do nothing obvious. You could take around
the edges, the Knixt bench, have a bunch of guys
whose contracts are up, and we can make some moves.
(03:02):
I'll talk about them shortly, but overall, big picture, we
don't need to make any big moves.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
And I will point to the Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Okay, last year, the Indiana Pacers went up against the Knicks,
beat them in seven, go to the conference finals, and
they get swept by Boston. Of course, Indiana in the Midwest,
they're a little more chill. Hey, what moves can we make?
The Pacers did nothing, not one move among their top seven.
Kept the head coach Carlisle. They're in the NBA Finals.
(03:32):
Sometimes the move is to not make any big moves.
So Jalen Brunson was asked after Game six, Hey, Tabodah
had a rough series. Is it time to move on?
Here's Jalen Brunson talking about his head coach.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
That's so like, nobody takes more criticism than Tom and
this team obviously has turned around during his tenure. So
you kind of feel that going forward, he's the same
guy to fift you guys, the rest of the wise
and next level.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Is that a real quest right now?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I mean the center he just asked me him.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I believe that if he's ever the right guy. Yes, thanks, guys,
that's Fudny.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Brunston handled it well.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
You could say he handled that question better than he
handled the Indiana.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Pressure in the series.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Brunson was good. Obviously.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I think he's leading the NBA in playoff scoring. He's
had a great postseason. I do think we need a
little less Brunson next year, maybe.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Leonard or benchmore.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I saw stat that the Knicks starters this season average
like ninety seven points per game, which was the highest
in the NBA in like forty eight years. News flash, Thibadeau,
you got to make some more changes. And I've been
yelling from the rooftops, Tibbs, you got to put up
or shut up. He beat Boston guys. They took down
the defending champs. But let's not gloss over that fact.
(04:49):
I know Tatum got hurt, but the Knicks we're in
control of that series anyway at that point. So I'm
actually here as the commander in truth to tell you Nix,
we're not going after Giannis.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Knicks.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
We don't need Kevin Durant.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I think the pieces are in place for the Knicks
to get back to the conference finals and.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Extend to the NBA Finals next year.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Let me remind you, Giannis is gonna be shipped from Milwaukee,
and there's a good chance he goes West, although there
is a team in the East we're gonna talk about
that's making a move on him currently. But like the
Cleveland Cavaliers, do they scare you? Do the Pacers really
terrify you? They had a great series. But the Celtics
the best team in the East by far. They're gonna
be without Jason Tatum next year?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Do the Achilles?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
The East is wide open. And oh, by the way,
Knicks fans, I know we're upset. Quick reminder. We were
favored in the series against the Pacers. And oh, by
the way, Game one, if the Knicks don't blow a
fourteen point lead in the final three minutes, what happens
in that series?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Do things go in a different direction?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Like the Knicks are close, They're right there, And sometimes
New York fans the best move is to do nothing.
So commander and truth, says Nicks Stan Pat no Jannis,
no KD.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
We're good. All right.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Let's move to the NFL and a much disier topic
that is not very rosy, and that's the Cleveland Browns.
And I'm sure there's a segment of the NFL population
already sick of the Shadoor Sanders talk. I know for
a fact Kevin Stefanski is because He's gonna be facing
questions about it all week at OTA's folks. Dion Sanders
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is an unbelievable football talent, and he looks like he's
a pretty damn good head coach too.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
As a kid growing up, I remember Deon Sanders.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
He was unbelievable, okay, with the Falcons, with the Niners, like,
just a great career. The one thing I liked, which
is not serving him well now, is that he loved
to run his mouth. I love trash talking. Yes, I
play in men's basketball leagues. Sometimes I run my mouth
too much. I've dowbed it back in my advanced age. Dion,
(06:54):
you need to do the same, my guy. So, Dion
Sanders was on a podcast this week, the same what
Needs to Be Said podcast. Meanwhile, we haven't heard from
Dion about his song about the Browns since the draft.
Take a deep breath, folks, because Dion's talking again. Here's
what he had to say.
Speaker 8 (07:12):
When you sit up there and say something like he
went in a meeting, I'm prepared, like dude, Chador Sanders,
who's had six different coordinators, Stop lying like you got
to understand. My kids are built for everything. They want
to create. These narratives and create these stories and then
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attach them to a kid that ain't never done nothing wrong.
You're gonna tell me he had on headphone, Chadors, anybody
know my son? I understand he's a professional, Like he's
gonna go in to a meeting with headphones on?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Like, yo, come, it did hurt? Not good, not good
at all.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
This, my friends, is why Shador Sanders fell in the draft.
I thought it was probably fifty percent Dion fifty percent Shador.
I'm now thinking NFLT front offices were just like no
thank you on Shador standers precisely because of this, folks.
It's the beginning of June and Dion is already complaining
(08:11):
about his son and what went down at the draft.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
And you know there are teams that passed on Dion
this morning.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
That's why we didn't want him, Joe Shane and Brian
Dable looking at their owner.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
I told you we don't.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Need this crap.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
And again, I'm not gonna challenge what Dion said. It
doesn't really matter. Did he wear headphones to a meeting
with a team.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
That seems like something weird to make up for a team,
but Dion's pushback is, oh, what do you.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Wear headphones to a meeting?
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Well, he either did or didn't.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
And oh, by the way, this whole uh, he had
six offensive coordinators. That's not denying what went down at
the meeting, him being unprepared. And again, Shador has an
uphill climb in Cleveland. And I think a lot of
it has to do with exactly what Dion's saying on
this podcast. So, Kevin Stefanski's gonna show up at OTA's
(09:02):
this week and he's not gonna get asked about. Hey,
how's Miles Garrett looking in the defense? What's up with
Nick Chubb? Have you made a decision? How about the
wide receiver room? You know a lot of change there,
Eddie quarterback update, It's not gonna be any of that.
It's gonna be so Dion Sanders said this, and now
you're getting questions about your fourth string quarterback in June.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
And folks, it ain't gonna end here.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
This is gonna.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Continue anytime Dion steps in front of a microphone. Nobody
cares about the collar Botto buffaloes. Right now, Travis Hunter's
in the NFL setor's gone. You know what they're gonna
ask Deon. Hey, you know Kenny Pickett through three picks
a preseason, gave Dion your thoughts. And Dion, who has
a history of talking, I mean that's what made him
famous as wife prime time. You think he's gonna be
(09:48):
able to stand down and pull back folks. I thought
of an analogy this morning, and I'm like, wait a sec.
So arch Manning at Texas was beat out in back
to back years by Quinn yours and you could argue, hey,
he was a young guy.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Okay, fine, but.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
You know in Texas fans there were a lot of
them ready for Arch Manning and arch Manning's parents and
Peyton and Eli, all the Mannings. They've done a ton
of interviews, they're on red carpets all the time. They
could have easily said he should have been the guy
over Quinn. Well, you know, Quinn, you were struggling against Georgia.
Why didn't Artch get to start easily? Anybody in the
man in Klan could have popped up and said something.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Nothing.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
They stayed out of it. They powered down and they
let their kid figure it out. Hey, Dion Shadere's now twenty.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Three years old.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I'm not telling a grown man what to do. But
it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, Dion.
If next time you were asked about he Hey man,
I wish my son the best. I will be rooting
for him hard. I'm a Cleveland Browns fan.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Go Browns.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
On to the next question.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Just stop.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
All you're doing is hurting Shador And oh, by the way,
do you remember Shadoor Sanders talked about this exact thing recently.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Here's a video.
Speaker 9 (11:01):
Ninety nine percent of hatred is you know, tourist Pops
and I'm just you know, I'm just his son. So
it really just come from that. And I told him that, dude,
just the older generation that do it to me rather
than than younger people. Because when I was come in person,
I don't there's no negativity I see, but it's all
over online.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
You know. I got to kids, and we're trying this
new thing.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
This woman, No Robbins is a pretty smart lady with
some really good insights, and her phrase is let them
with your kids, Just let them. They're gonna have to
figure it out on their own. And it's very difficult.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
I got to twelve or fourteen year old and I'm.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Trying to get them to bed, like, hey, we got
to set good habits and get to bed early and
wake up and do this. And my wife said, hey,
let them. They're gonna have to figure it out on
their own. Hey stayed up till ten thirty. Not a
great idea when you got, you know, a bunch of
tests the next day and a lot of homework and
I shouldn't be on my iPad. I should be doing this,
and you gotta let them. I think Dion Sanders needs
(12:04):
to just stand down and let shedure figure it out.
It's gonna be difficult, but he's twenty three, he's out
of the house. I know this is the first time
in forever that you haven't coached him, right, I think
believe it's he's been coaching him since, like youth leads
and high school. He was a coordinator. Dion, you've got
to stand back. I mean, this is a prime example
(12:26):
of why prime is a problem. I'm wishing him luck,
and you know who I'm also wishing luck to is
Kevin Stefanski, who has a mighty big hill to climb
this week. All right, coming up next year on the Herd.
A former NBA star he did play for my knicks.
(12:47):
Is he taking a shot at Cooper Flag? I couldn't
tell based on the quote whether or not he's taking
a shot.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
I think it's a bit out of bounds.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
But we'll talk about that next year on The Herd.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays,
a Newneaster, not a im Pacific.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Obviously, SGA and the Thunder going to the finals against
Haliburton and the Pacers, And we saw that over the weekend.
Lebron did a podcast with Luka Doncic along with Steve Nash,
and they were talking about Luca's style, and I said,
why don't we do a list the top five players
in the NBA without a ring, And here's what Lebron
(13:24):
and Luca talked about that got me to that point.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Here we go.
Speaker 10 (13:27):
Obviously, we've seen throughout his career, like if there's plays
and passes that certain guys that in the league history
have ever been able to make. I mean, it's always
his pace has always been his pace, and he's never
ever been on the floor where he's allowed someone to
dictate where they're gonna put him on the floor. It's
always been the opposite you know, and for us, we
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all working off of that. We just got to stay ready.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
You know what this is leading up to, right people.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I'm a Luca guy, and this is not just Johnny lately,
this is not since he got to the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
But I'm a huge Luca fan.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
So I thought i'd rank going from five to one
the five best players in the NBA without a ring. Now,
this caused some drama in the morning meeting, and I
out of the corner of my eye, I can see
Rick Buker just like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
So let's start with number five, fifth best player.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Right now in the NBA without a ring, and that's
got to be my guy, Jalen Brunson. He is a
phenomenal talent. He is emerges from the best point guards
in the league. He's a you know, sub six' three point,
guard which some people think you can't win. With And
brunson only does his deliver. Buckets, now why they didn't
get by The. PACERS i don't think it's fully On.
Brunson obviously his defense was not up to. Stuff but
(14:41):
the fifth spot came down to me For brunson Or,
haliburton And i'm, SORRY i Think brunson slightly better Than.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Haliburton SO i.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Go brunson at number, five the fourth best player in
THE nba without a.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Ring here we go a little bit of a. Curveball Jimmy. Butler,
now somebody tried to tell me in the morning.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Meeting oh my, God jay macke it's so much better
Than Jimmy, butler AND i almost like vomited in my.
Mouth come, on, Guy Jimmy butler as an alpha led
The Miami heat to the championship. Twice, okay that's a.
Speaker 11 (15:12):
Superstar.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
NOW i know he's getting up there an agent and
he's not what he was three years, ago but he
is still a phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
TALENT i love The Jimmy butler. Story back to my radio.
Days Like Jimmy.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Butler coming out of like living on he was, CouchSurfing,
okay had to like fax in his resume to get
into college At. Marquette like this guy was interrupt spot
and he has just become a star in THE.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
NBA i love everything About Jimmy.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
BUTLER i don't know they'll get a, title BUT i
have his fourth best player in the league without a.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Ring number. Three let's go to THE, Mvp Shay, Gilgess.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
ALEXANDER i have a Feeling rick's gonna have him at.
ONE i THINK sga is a really good.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Player obviously great.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Season he's on a really good.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
TEAM sga does everything.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Well i'm not gonna say he's a jack of all,
trades master of, none because he's the master of the
mid range right. Now he just gets buckets at the mid.
Range probably gonna get his title this, year right favorite
of the, fifth biggest favorite in like the last fifty
years or. WHATEVER sga third best player in the league
without a. Ring number Two Anthony. Edwards, YES i Believe
(16:17):
Anthony edwards is better Than Shake Gilges. Alexander, sorry he's,
younger he's got a better offensive.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Bag he's led the league in threes this.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Season he just doesn't.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Have as good of a team As, okay, SEE i
Think Anthony edwards is. Phenomenal all this future faith of
The league, stuff it's, legit. Guys he's that good now
Is he a little goofy off the court and sometimes
not locked in and he loves a good ig battye
who does? It but Once Anthony edwards grows up just
a little, bit alex stop. Laughing once he grows up
just a, Bit Anthony edwards is gonna be the top
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player in THE. Nba now for the number one player
in THE nba without a.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Ring it's got to Be. Luca who's better Than?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
LUCA i have him right there in The yoki Which giannis,
last and my thing THAT.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I cup back to all the.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Time luca makes everyone around him.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Better he did it In.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Dallas they got to the finals last year because he
made everyone around it.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Better That dallas team based on a great.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Team look at them this.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Year what would they do this?
Speaker 10 (17:17):
Year?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
NOW i Know kyrie GOT, herd but they had A
d and largely the same guys That luca had that
he put on his back and got to the. Finals for,
Me luca donc is the best player in THE nba
without a ring and without further. Ado let's welcome In Rick,
Bucker Fox SPORTS nba. Analysts, NOW i have great vision
AND i could See rick pacing turning, around throwing.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
His hands in the Other oh my, gosh J, mak you're.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Crazy so much. Work i've been much, work so little.
Time we made that contact a couple of.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Times oh rattling, On, oh.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Chills over There.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Ring Now, ring you're doing your list as, well.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Right, yes and don't pretend like you didn't see my.
LIPS i haven't seen.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
It they did tell, me and he could he could
be telling the.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Truth it's the Same.
Speaker 11 (18:05):
Lee we're gonna start sending out a bulgasy list to
the producer early so you don't different.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Critic i'll guess your guy number one IS sga, right?
Speaker 11 (18:14):
Yes and by and how do you possibly Put Anthony
edwards ahead Of Shake Gildes alexander after what we just?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Witnessed how is that? Possible, well it's.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Not like they were playing one on one.
Speaker 11 (18:26):
Rick they were both the leaders of their respective teams
and one guy got gentlemanly.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Swept he was.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
M v Against Anthony.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Edwards they, Said Julius reyna take hold.
Speaker 11 (18:37):
Because you know, what because he has no mid range.
Game if you Put Shake Gildes alexander, there the defense
isn't able to do the same, thing so he can
operate in more.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Places you want to go ahead to, Head, yes mid
range TO sga three point shooting To Anthony, edwards driving
to the, Rim Anthony edwards dunk on anybody and DEFENSE
i would go ant OVER sg and why didn't he.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
In that because there was five guys in the.
Speaker 11 (18:57):
Lady, Okay so if you don't have the mid, range
then you don't get the dunk as often and he
has to finish at the. Rim Look sga as far
as an offensive. Bag it's not as dynamic As, ants
but it is more. Complete without, QUESTION i can Say
sga is a three level. Scorer aunt falling in love
(19:18):
with the three has changed that. Dramatically half of his
shots this year were from, three and yet he shot
the same number as he did the previous. Season where
did the shots come from his mid? Range he abandoned
it and that cost him in the.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
PLAYOFFS i blame, analytics don't Blame.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Anthony so where do you Have luke on the?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
List? Uh, LUCA i BELIEVE i had. Second he's up.
Speaker 11 (19:41):
There but you're mixing the bag BECAUSE i also HAD
i Had aunt, fifth AND i Had Jimmy butler ahead.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Him now we're just talking about pure.
Speaker 11 (19:48):
TALENT i don't know that we can go, there But
i'm looking at A Jimmy, butler to your, point who
led teams to the finals. Twice like there's this this
combination of guys who are just purely talented who don't
have a, ring and guys who have demonstrated that they
they're next in the, line or they deserve a ring
because they've come so close and maybe they just didn't
(20:09):
have the requisite team around.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Them But i'm not going to say that About.
Speaker 11 (20:13):
ANT i DON'T i don't BELIEVE i this is this
is my great issue is that when a player Like
ant doesn't get to the finals or doesn't win a,
ring we immediately, go, oh, well he doesn't have enough.
Help we need to get more pieces around. Him It's
Julius randall's. Fault it's it's It's Chris pinch's, fault It's
(20:34):
Mike conley's.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Fault i'm, like, no if you're that.
Speaker 11 (20:37):
Kind of, player And i'm looking at the holes In Anthony.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Edwards game first and.
Speaker 11 (20:44):
FOREMOST i want him to fill those holes and Then
i'll figure out the pieces THAT i need around.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Him because that's.
Speaker 11 (20:49):
This This Minnesota timberwolves team was more talented than a
team that got gentlemanly.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Swept that's.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
FAIR i would push back and, Say aunt's twenty.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Three AND i THINK sg keep saying.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
That so three years, AGO sga was in the play
in and, meanwhile aunt is taking his team.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
To the conference.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Finals two years in a.
Speaker 11 (21:07):
Row his team has Gone his team has gone to the,
final to the conference finals two years in a.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Row admit That.
Speaker 11 (21:14):
JULIUS i could make a case That Julius randall had
more to do with them getting there this year than Than.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Ante, Well julian was unbelievably good until he. Wasn't, yes.
Speaker 11 (21:23):
Understood, yeah here's the other, part IS i keep First
last year it was he's twenty. Two now it's he's twenty.
Three and when asked like did this did this?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Hurt did you? STRUGGLE i donna. Struggle i'm. Good i'm
gonna work hard this, summer But i'm. Good like that
you like? THAT i did not love?
Speaker 11 (21:43):
That, okay some of the for me, either because you
the clock is ticking like and if you look at
guys Like tracy, McGrady Penny, hardaway there's any number of
guys that were great early. On Penny hardaway went to
the finals his second. Year he Was ALL Nba First
team two years in a. Row tracy, McGrady same thing
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was like the third or fourth year was was Was
ALL nba and getting SOME mvp, accolades BEFORE i take that.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Back that was With penny With shock Leaving.
Speaker 11 (22:21):
Orlandia but those guys were like when we looked at
them early in their first three four, years we're, like,
oh these guys are playing for, championships, right these guys
are going to be all time, greats and they hit
their zenith in those first four or five. Years that's
more the rule than the exception in terms of guys
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winning a. Ring, LIKE i think it's a foregone conclusion
a lot of people's, minds that Including, ants That ant
is going to WIN mvp at some point and he's
going to win a ring at some point, Probably. Right
The minnesota somber has had the most expensive roster in
the league this, year, Right and if we look at
some of the guards and some of the players early
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on that, won it's because they had guys on their
team that were really good who were, Underpaid like The
Minnesota timberwolves are not, there, Right so is it gonna
happen in the next year or? Two, No, well then
now we're getting to twenty, seven twenty eight and having
to remake The timberwolves around. Him i'm JUST i think
there's this foregone conclusion About aunt THAT i wouldn't necessarily buy.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Into AS i hear you explain, THAT i was just
thinking to the Guy Lebron james in what year three
year something With cleveland goes to the, finals can't get back?
There says, Guys i'm Out derea and. O'keseep they get
to the, finals young, GUYS i have to go someplace, off?
Right so Is minnesota gonna do it In? Minnesota Anthony
edward's gonna do it In? Minnesota probably.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Not and here's the flip side of.
Speaker 11 (23:47):
That when you look at the guys that are there right,
Now sga And Tyrese, haliburton what are they have in?
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Common this isn't their first, Team this isn't their first.
Speaker 11 (23:57):
Team and there were there were doubts about both of
them at various, points like how good can they? Be
can they be the leader of a championship. Team we
haven't had anybody express that doubt About Aunt.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Edwards AND i believe.
Speaker 11 (24:11):
That you're taking away the motivation of a, player the
urgency of a player to, say you know, WHAT i
want to prove you. Wrong nobody's Saying aunt has to
prove them. Wrong everybody's still giving Him flowers in spite
of the fact that if you look at the last
Two Western conference, finals yes did they get. There, sure
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but he was outplayed by another, Star Luca dantis last
year IN sga this, year and yet there still seems
to be no urgency or a feeling.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Like, Hey, ann you're like you need to pick it.
Up and if you're going to get.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
THERE i don't know what more he could. Do but,
anyways let's move on to The. KNICKS i just know
the post mortem we Had Frank eye so.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Long i'm. Pledging, hey let's take a deep.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Breath last year The pacers were swept by The Celtics conference.
Finals they make zero changes to their top, eight and
they're in THE Nba. FINALS i Know i've been, like,
hey maybe we Dumped. THIBODEAU i know there's This gianni's.
Chase i'm actually preaching some, Patients, rick AND i think
The knicks can run it.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Back are you?
Speaker 4 (25:16):
OKAY i, know Irrational New yorker over?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Here, no you? Are you are being incredibly. Rational Oh
i've Never i've never Heard wow be this.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Rational you're usually the we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
The coach like always, right the blow it, up get
rid of.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
THEM i had a boozy. Weekend it's of, basketball you,
know like you get your mind.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
CLEARED i came in this, MORNING i, said, guys we're
gonna stand Pat, yeah AND i think they can get
to THE Nba.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Finals they weren't far off this, Year, no they.
Speaker 11 (25:53):
Weren't the issue is, like, ideally if you're going to
play for a, championship they need a true two way,
big like right now they have Like Mitchell robinson's on the. Floor,
defensively they're a different, team but now they're a different
team offensively as. Well, Offensively kat gave you a. Lot
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let's not under sell what he did for the better
part of the. Playoffs but if you're going to be
built around a point, guard And i'd look at the
two thousand and Four Detroit pistons winning a championship and
the twenty twenty Two Golden State, warriors you have to
have like the perfect pieces.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
And a lot of talent around that.
Speaker 11 (26:38):
Guard if you look at the numbers, alone What Jalen
brunson did this year in the regular season and in
the players playoffs mirrors What Steph curry did in twenty twenty,
two both regular season and.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Playoffs but What steph had was he Had.
Speaker 11 (26:59):
Andrew whiggins playing, almost, yeah almost better Than Draymond green
as a defensive player and a true was a two
way impact. Player you Had Draymond green still playing, well
you Had Klay thompson have his, moments you Had Jordan poole,
like you had all the pieces that allowed to that
covered the blemishes Of steph and allowed him to maximize
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what he.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Is that's what The knicks, need AND i don't know
that they have it right.
Speaker 11 (27:24):
Now but to your, point, like unless there was a
clear CUT i can get this thing that makes a.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Difference i'm standing packed.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Let, me can they Get? GIANNIS i don't. See it
just doesn't seem feasible given the.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Pick they don't have that.
Speaker 11 (27:37):
Anything, Yeah i've Been i've been asking about that BECAUSE
i mean the. Teams There's, Houston, yeah There's.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Brooklyn give up a, lot but he's not going.
Speaker 11 (27:48):
There, Yeah toronto's going to make a run at, him
BUT i DON'T i don't know that that's going to.
Happen but those two teams in, particular have the assets That.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Milwaukee would want.
Speaker 11 (27:59):
ASSETS i would add The spurs in the equation to
those three.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Teams it's.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Tough, Okay so let's downshift To Kevin.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Durant, yeah turn thirty seven In. September, Rick, Yeah i'm
a HUGE kd. Fan but is he that much of
an upgrade For? Kat and doesn't he shrink your window
from like maybe the next three years to, like you
better win this year Because kat's hurt all the.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Time, Yeah i'd say he's an.
Speaker 11 (28:20):
UPGRADE i mean the tricky part is are you just
getting him as a one year rental or is he
going to sign an? Extension do you want to sign
him to? Extension what does that extension look? Like there's
a lot of tricky parts to. That to your, point
because Of kd's age and where he is the one,
year the one year deal for a team that's looking
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for cap.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Space that may be.
Speaker 11 (28:44):
STUCK i, mean that's Where minnesota is kind of. Attractive
but the problem is that you'd have to give up multiple.
Pieces it's Not Julius randall For Kevin, Durant Julius randall
And jade, McDaniels Or Julius randall And Rob dillingham And
Mike connelly when so that's where it becomes. Difficult it's
(29:05):
IT'S i had somebody this morning Suggests atlanta as for.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Kat just because they have the, assets AND i was.
Thinking my first reaction, was, Oh katie's kind of finished
his career In.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Atlanta that's Like Patrick ewing wearing A sonics jersey.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Or, yeah it's as you want for The raptors or something.
Silly you don't want to see.
Speaker 8 (29:25):
That not very.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Attractive but, No katie's going to be.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Difficult all, right let's go to the Actually Eastern Conference finals.
Voting did you have an issue with The siakam Five halliburton?
Four AND i will just breaface. This the media votes
on this, stuff yes, right, yes we know the. Media
they do some dumb, things obviously ALL nba. Voting but,
anyways did you have a major issue with?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
IT i really. Don't first of, all it was five to. Four,
yeah so it's like there's like.
Speaker 11 (29:50):
One swing, vote, right AND i can make a case
for either, guy, Yeh pascal if you look at the
if you take in to account the defensive end of the,
FLOOR i mean The knicks were Hunting Tyrese haliburton at,
Times Pascal siakam winning his battle being the best big
on the. Floor it was the difference. Maker and then
(30:12):
when you look in terms of key, baskets he didn't.
Have he didn't have the highlight moments That haliburton. Had
but the WAY i described it Was Pascal siakam was
the engine And.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Tyre's halliburton was the. Driver like he got everybody.
Speaker 11 (30:30):
Involved you, know he obviously assists were through the, roof
But Pascal siakam was getting to the free throw.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Line he was getting The nixon foul.
Speaker 11 (30:37):
Trouble and you, know in those situations where they absolutely
needed a, bucket they could hand him the ball and
he would go get.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
It it's.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Weird it felt Like Jalen brown Over Jason tatum last.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Year, yeah not unlike.
Speaker 11 (30:50):
THAT i was also, thinking like the kind of The
Iguidala Steph CURRY Mvp FINALS mvp annoyed.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Me such A curry. DEFENDER i would go online and
battle these.
Speaker 11 (31:00):
More like you, said the media doesn't always get it,
right BUT i don't think that they got it perversely.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Wrong this was it that.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Egregious now let me ask you about the. Finals i've
been workshopping this. TAKE i was gonna save it from
midweek when things are. SLOW i don't.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Know rick.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
His whole finals, battle, Right it's it's a good matchup of.
TEAMS nba diehards will love, it casuals probably will. Not
i'm of the belief That indiana is going to give
them a much closer series than the experts. Think everybody's, Saying,
oh There's, Okay so he's just a Juggernaut. Indy everything
That okac does really, well so Does. Indiana they've got the,
(31:39):
bench they play with pace and. Tempo halliburton led the
league and assist turnover. RATIO i, mean at one point
in the next, series he had like four turnovers in five.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Games, like it's one way that that's one way to
look at.
Speaker 11 (31:51):
IT a lot of people looking at all the things
That indiana, Does, okay se does and they just do it,
better right except for one. Thing And i'd say there's
two factors Where i'm with. You i'm not going to
say it's going to be a great. SERIES i think
that The pacers have a chance to make it an
interesting series in terms of pushing it to, six maybe even.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Seven AND i love.
Speaker 11 (32:15):
THAT i don't see them winning, it BUT i see
them making a.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Contest and for two.
Speaker 11 (32:20):
Reasons number, one they have shot the ball from three point,
range lights, out and they've done it.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Collectively LIKE i think.
Speaker 11 (32:30):
LEST i, checked they were shooting like forty percent in
the playoffs as a.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Team that's, insane.
Speaker 11 (32:34):
That, is and that's that's much much better THAN okc.
Does and as we, know the three point shot can
have a huge influence on flipping The, cavs flipping the odds.
Exactly the other part Is Rick carlisle And Pascal. SIAKO
i have two guys who know what it takes to
win a, championship who have been to the. Finals AND
(32:55):
i look at THE i look at The, thunder and
you have Of Alex. CARUSO i believe who won in the, bubble.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Right.
Speaker 11 (33:06):
Yeah and other than, that brand New Rick carlo has
been to the finals six. Times he took A Dallas
mavericks team that was probably as underrated and looked past
in the finals versus The Miami, heat as This pacers
team is against The Oklahoma City. Thunder SO i believe
(33:26):
that The carlisle is gonna have a few things up his.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
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Speaker 5 (34:36):
And by the, Way.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Nemhard, yeah you see he's making two million dollars this. Year,
yeah starting point, guard who's.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
GOOD i still remember.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
This nobody will remember, this but his final college, GAME
i think it was With Chet he shot like two of.
Eleven he was a train wreck and they lost his
big favorites And i'm, like this guy's not a. Pro
he was terrible Against. Arkansas nemhart has been. Phenomenal he's
a good basketball. Player and at two million dollars in the,
finals that's how You're that's how you're, here.
Speaker 11 (35:02):
And that's how you get to finals to you, know
going back to the Whole minnesota point is that you.
Have you, know when The warriors were making their, runs
they were Paying steph eleven million.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Dollars. Yeah, yeah he signed the four, year forty four
million dollar.
Speaker 11 (35:14):
Deal you, need especially in TODAY'S, nba you need a
couple of guys.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Who haven't been paid.
Speaker 11 (35:22):
Yet Jordan poole And Andrew wiggins in twenty twenty, two
like guys that are playing for the bag and and
The Minnesota timberwolves don't have.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
That so let me just did the whole small market
super team. Stuff the super Team aerr's over, sadly BUT
i need to remind People rick Like, lebron The lebron
we know, now before he got to The heat and started,
that he was like second banana To kobe And.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Shaq and The.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Celtics he wasn't the Polarized oh my, GOSH i can't Stand.
Lebron he wasn't that until he went to The. Heat,
Yeah and SO i just want some of these young
stars they're not. Polarized and if you don't have that lover,
hate it's just, like, oh we've got The pacers In
thunder in the.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Finals.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yeah AND i know THE nba doesn't want that because
the owners want everybody to have a, chance BUT i
feel like if you don't have, that it's not going
to be great for the.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
LEAGUE i don't.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Know that's kind of like a big picture. THING i
don't know how you've solved.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
That but there isn't really anybody at THE nba right
now that you feel strongly about one way of these.
Speaker 11 (36:24):
Right, no it has to happen, Organically and to your,
POINT i don't know who that is that's out there
right now that we feel that, Way.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
Well yannis could be the.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Lynchpin people are not going to like it if he
goes to a good team LIKE kd went to The,
Warriors instantly everybody hated, him But, rick you had to, Watch,
Yeah or are rearranging your anniversary dinners Around Kevin durant
Versus Lebron you know that kind of?
Speaker 11 (36:47):
Sure and IF kd goes to a contender that would
stir the pot leave as.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Well, Yes, look the league.
Speaker 11 (36:56):
Is taking a very different approach to the way it
traditionally approach things, is which is it's taking a global,
view AND i think in part it's playing to the
fact that it's best players are international players and that
the domestic market is basically, saturated like how much how
much more are you going to get out of out
(37:16):
of the domestic. Market but they look globally and they're, Thinking,
okay we have international. Stars it's why they're talking about
starting in A european division as much as as as you,
know getting expansion teams In Las vegas And, seattle you
hear as much about A european division as you hear about.
Those in, fact those those, moves WHICH i still think
are going to happen are sort of have been. Forgotten
(37:38):
SO i believe that they're looking, at you know, what
we want to attract an audience that's going to buy
jerseys and is going to stream games and is going
to be you, know be, fans and we don't need,
like we don't have to cut through the. Mainstream have
have stars that are going to cut through the mainstream
in THE.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Us because.
Speaker 11 (38:01):
You, know the people In serbia are going to go
crazy for The Denver, nuggets, right and maybe you capture
a bigger part of The canadian market with Shake hill Just.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
ALEXANDER i think that they're looking at.
Speaker 11 (38:14):
Globally we have attractions that other leagues don't and that's
our sweet.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Start so we'll wrap up with This Cooper.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Flag Carmelo anthony had some quotes and it's interesting you
just mentioned domestic. International, yeah AND i don't want to
Say carmelo was bashing, him but he was basically saying
like he's not great at, Anything he's a good, player does.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Everything, Well, yeah there's a.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
World Jeff tigue last week was LIKE sga saved THE
nba with the mid. RANGE i was, like, EH i
honestly Think Cooper flag. DOMESTICALLY i know people aren't gonna
want to hear. This he can be a savior of.
Sorts And i'm sorry to bring up, race but he's
a white guy who can maybe dominate in a league
where there hasn't been a dominant white guy in a long.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Time, yeah you, know it's.
Speaker 11 (38:55):
FUNNY i look at like A Chef holmegren and A Cooper,
flag and it's then they sort of shift my view
of where we are as far as Our american born
players and our ability to compete. Internationally LIKE i think
If Anthony edwards continues to evolve and you have A
Cooper flag and you have A Chet, holmgren.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
We have a chance to still be all. Right france
isn't gonna take over over just quite.
Speaker 11 (39:19):
Yet but you, KNOW i Hear carmelo BECAUSE i think
one of the dangers is when we have somebody who's
who's taken number, one we immediately expect them to be a.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Superstar, yes AND i don't.
Speaker 11 (39:31):
KNOW i Think Cooper flag could be a really good
player for a really long or good, good really long,
time BUT i don't know that he's Necessarily.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
Okay, well wait to find superstar Was lebron a superstar
right out of the, gate averaging like twenty three as a.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Rookie he had the earmarks of.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
It, okay what About zion first? YEAR i know he's
heard and blah blah, blah but.
Speaker 11 (39:53):
No zion's a classic example of somebody that we anointed
way too early and and making The Anthony edwards.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Comparison Like.
Speaker 11 (40:04):
Zion was supposed to be the next whatever like from
the gate and and even Even lebron like until he
lost and everybody started to, say, well maybe.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
He's not a. Champion that The dallas series that.
Speaker 11 (40:19):
Forced him to, no, no, no, no, no that forced him
to go To miami to get out.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Of Cleveland Super Team, celtics right.
Speaker 11 (40:26):
Right like he finally had, To, hey you got to
put up or shut.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Up like we kept making excuses For. Zion, ah he's.
Heard if he could just stay, Healthy i'm. Done. Yeah
by the, way is he moving the?
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Summer is he going? ANYWHERE i don't know what the
market is For.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
ZION i.
Speaker 11 (40:43):
DON'T i don't know that he's going. Anywhere but he's
got bigger.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Issues oh that's, right, yeah, yeah he does all. Right final,
one we haven't Mentioned Ja moran in a couple of,
years couple of years that something's going on In. MEMPHIS
i keep hearing This Jaron jackson, stuff and then, there's,
hey maybe we just move on From, jos start, over.
Reboot any thoughts on jommerate because, he for like seven
minutes was.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Going to be the future of THE.
Speaker 11 (41:07):
Nba, yeah, WELL i don't think he gets back there.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
NOW i think there's just there's too much water under the.
BRIDGE i could he be.
Speaker 11 (41:16):
Moved, Man that's it's as difficult As minnesota moving In Anthony.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Vans you don't get stars like that in markets like
that unless you.
Speaker 5 (41:27):
DRAFT i MEAN i just think Of luca got moved
and nobody thought that was.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Coming, yeah that's the exception rather than the.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
Rule, yeah all, Right Rick, BUKER i, mean look at.
That that's like twenty great minutes with a guy who
we actually.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
There was a couple of.
Speaker 11 (41:39):
Things we had some patico on and you were, like
you were rational and sober at one.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Point this was a good, session have to be it
was J.
Speaker 11 (41:49):
Mac this was this WAS i enjoyed this thing so.
MUCH i may even come back
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Speaker 6 (01:14):
Well, yeah, we live at the beach, so it's like
that's you know, Yeah, we're very We're spoiled. I don't
like bragging about it too much live on National TV
because we live and I mean I'm biased cause I'm
born and raised here like one of the most beautiful
places in the country.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
But yeah, no, we're lucky.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah we are.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
And you guys are lucky because we got a phenomenal
show today. Great guess I do have to start with
some bad news and.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It involved my New York Knicks.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
I'm ride or die for this team.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
My first game I ever went to as an NBA
fan was the Knicks way back when I was a kid,
and their season came to a difficult end Saturday night
in Indy. Nicks kind of fell apart in the second half,
got a little frustrated Jalen Brunson delivering a head butt.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
It did not end well, but it was a great season.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Let's not lose the fact that the Knicks had their
best season this century, and of course there's hand ringing
from Knicks fans.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
What do we do? Do we fire Dibbodeaux? Do we
trade Karl Anthony Towns?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Hey j Mack, I got an idea we could move
off mckil bridges and get two role players.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
What do you think?
Speaker 5 (02:19):
What are the moves?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
And you know, listen, guys, I am reactionary. Sometimes I
try to be level headed. Saturday night, when the game ended,
I need to take a few deep breaths, and then
Sunday I get my thoughts cleared. And you know Colin
likes to call himself America's honesty broker. Well, I'm here
to tell you, as the commander in truth that the
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New York Knicks need to stand pat and not be reactionary,
not overreact. Let's not pander to blow hard New York
radio hosts or back pages screaming about change. Sometimes the
move is to do nothing obvious. You could take around
the edges, the Knixt bench, have a bunch of guys
whose contracts are up, and we can make some moves.
(03:02):
I'll talk about them shortly, but overall, big picture, we
don't need to make any big moves.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
And I will point to the Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Okay, last year, the Indiana Pacers went up against the Knicks,
beat them in seven, go to the conference finals, and
they get swept by Boston. Of course, Indiana in the Midwest,
they're a little more chill. Hey, what moves can we make?
The Pacers did nothing, not one move among their top seven.
Kept the head coach Carlisle. They're in the NBA Finals.
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Sometimes the move is to not make any big moves.
So Jalen Brunson was asked after Game six, Hey, Tabodah
had a rough series. Is it time to move on?
Here's Jalen Brunson talking about his head coach.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
That's so like, nobody takes more criticism than Tom and
this team obviously has turned around during his tenure. So
you kind of feel that going forward, he's the same
guy to fift you guys, the rest of the wise
and next level.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Is that a real quest right now?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I mean the center he just asked me him.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I believe that if he's ever the right guy. Yes, thanks, guys,
that's Fudny.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Brunston handled it well.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
You could say he handled that question better than he
handled the Indiana.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Pressure in the series.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Brunson was good. Obviously.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I think he's leading the NBA in playoff scoring. He's
had a great postseason. I do think we need a
little less Brunson next year, maybe.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Leonard or benchmore.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I saw stat that the Knicks starters this season average
like ninety seven points per game, which was the highest
in the NBA in like forty eight years. News flash, Thibadeau,
you got to make some more changes. And I've been
yelling from the rooftops, Tibbs, you got to put up
or shut up. He beat Boston guys. They took down
the defending champs. But let's not gloss over that fact.
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I know Tatum got hurt, but the Knicks we're in
control of that series anyway at that point. So I'm
actually here as the commander in truth to tell you Nix,
we're not going after Giannis.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Knicks.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
We don't need Kevin Durant.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I think the pieces are in place for the Knicks
to get back to the conference finals and.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Extend to the NBA Finals next year.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Let me remind you, Giannis is gonna be shipped from Milwaukee,
and there's a good chance he goes West, although there
is a team in the East we're gonna talk about
that's making a move on him currently. But like the
Cleveland Cavaliers, do they scare you? Do the Pacers really
terrify you? They had a great series. But the Celtics
the best team in the East by far. They're gonna
be without Jason Tatum next year?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Do the Achilles?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
The East is wide open. And oh, by the way,
Knicks fans, I know we're upset. Quick reminder. We were
favored in the series against the Pacers. And oh, by
the way, Game one, if the Knicks don't blow a
fourteen point lead in the final three minutes, what happens
in that series?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Do things go in a different direction?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Like the Knicks are close, They're right there, And sometimes
New York fans the best move is to do nothing.
So commander and truth, says Nicks Stan Pat no Jannis,
no KD.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
We're good. All right.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Let's move to the NFL and a much disier topic
that is not very rosy, and that's the Cleveland Browns.
And I'm sure there's a segment of the NFL population
already sick of the Shadoor Sanders talk. I know for
a fact Kevin Stefanski is because He's gonna be facing
questions about it all week at OTA's folks. Dion Sanders
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is an unbelievable football talent, and he looks like he's
a pretty damn good head coach too.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
As a kid growing up, I remember Deon Sanders.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
He was unbelievable, okay, with the Falcons, with the Niners, like,
just a great career. The one thing I liked, which
is not serving him well now, is that he loved
to run his mouth. I love trash talking. Yes, I
play in men's basketball leagues. Sometimes I run my mouth
too much. I've dowbed it back in my advanced age. Dion,
(06:54):
you need to do the same, my guy. So, Dion
Sanders was on a podcast this week, the same what
Needs to Be Said podcast. Meanwhile, we haven't heard from
Dion about his song about the Browns since the draft.
Take a deep breath, folks, because Dion's talking again. Here's
what he had to say.
Speaker 8 (07:12):
When you sit up there and say something like he
went in a meeting, I'm prepared, like dude, Chador Sanders,
who's had six different coordinators, Stop lying like you got
to understand. My kids are built for everything. They want
to create. These narratives and create these stories and then
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attach them to a kid that ain't never done nothing wrong.
You're gonna tell me he had on headphone, Chadors, anybody
know my son? I understand he's a professional, Like he's
gonna go in to a meeting with headphones on?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Like, yo, come, it did hurt? Not good, not good
at all.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
This, my friends, is why Shador Sanders fell in the draft.
I thought it was probably fifty percent Dion fifty percent Shador.
I'm now thinking NFLT front offices were just like no
thank you on Shador standers precisely because of this, folks.
It's the beginning of June and Dion is already complaining
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about his son and what went down at the draft.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
And you know there are teams that passed on Dion
this morning.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
That's why we didn't want him, Joe Shane and Brian
Dable looking at their owner.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
I told you we don't.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Need this crap.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
And again, I'm not gonna challenge what Dion said. It
doesn't really matter. Did he wear headphones to a meeting
with a team.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
That seems like something weird to make up for a team,
but Dion's pushback is, oh, what do you.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Wear headphones to a meeting?
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Well, he either did or didn't.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
And oh, by the way, this whole uh, he had
six offensive coordinators. That's not denying what went down at
the meeting, him being unprepared. And again, Shador has an
uphill climb in Cleveland. And I think a lot of
it has to do with exactly what Dion's saying on
this podcast. So, Kevin Stefanski's gonna show up at OTA's
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this week and he's not gonna get asked about. Hey,
how's Miles Garrett looking in the defense? What's up with
Nick Chubb? Have you made a decision? How about the
wide receiver room? You know a lot of change there,
Eddie quarterback update, It's not gonna be any of that.
It's gonna be so Dion Sanders said this, and now
you're getting questions about your fourth string quarterback in June.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
And folks, it ain't gonna end here.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
This is gonna.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Continue anytime Dion steps in front of a microphone. Nobody
cares about the collar Botto buffaloes. Right now, Travis Hunter's
in the NFL setor's gone. You know what they're gonna
ask Deon. Hey, you know Kenny Pickett through three picks
a preseason, gave Dion your thoughts. And Dion, who has
a history of talking, I mean that's what made him
famous as wife prime time. You think he's gonna be
(09:48):
able to stand down and pull back folks. I thought
of an analogy this morning, and I'm like, wait a sec.
So arch Manning at Texas was beat out in back
to back years by Quinn yours and you could argue, hey,
he was a young guy.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Okay, fine, but.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
You know in Texas fans there were a lot of
them ready for Arch Manning and arch Manning's parents and
Peyton and Eli, all the Mannings. They've done a ton
of interviews, they're on red carpets all the time. They
could have easily said he should have been the guy
over Quinn. Well, you know, Quinn, you were struggling against Georgia.
Why didn't Artch get to start easily? Anybody in the
man in Klan could have popped up and said something.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Nothing.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
They stayed out of it. They powered down and they
let their kid figure it out. Hey, Dion Shadere's now twenty.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Three years old.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I'm not telling a grown man what to do. But
it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, Dion.
If next time you were asked about he Hey man,
I wish my son the best. I will be rooting
for him hard. I'm a Cleveland Browns fan.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Go Browns.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
On to the next question.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Just stop.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
All you're doing is hurting Shador And oh, by the way,
do you remember Shadoor Sanders talked about this exact thing recently.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Here's a video.
Speaker 9 (11:01):
Ninety nine percent of hatred is you know, tourist Pops
and I'm just you know, I'm just his son. So
it really just come from that. And I told him that, dude,
just the older generation that do it to me rather
than than younger people. Because when I was come in person,
I don't there's no negativity I see, but it's all
over online.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
You know. I got to kids, and we're trying this
new thing.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
This woman, No Robbins is a pretty smart lady with
some really good insights, and her phrase is let them
with your kids, Just let them. They're gonna have to
figure it out on their own. And it's very difficult.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
I got to twelve or fourteen year old and I'm.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Trying to get them to bed, like, hey, we got
to set good habits and get to bed early and
wake up and do this. And my wife said, hey,
let them. They're gonna have to figure it out on
their own. Hey stayed up till ten thirty. Not a
great idea when you got, you know, a bunch of
tests the next day and a lot of homework and
I shouldn't be on my iPad. I should be doing this,
and you gotta let them. I think Dion Sanders needs
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to just stand down and let shedure figure it out.
It's gonna be difficult, but he's twenty three, he's out
of the house. I know this is the first time
in forever that you haven't coached him, right, I think
believe it's he's been coaching him since, like youth leads
and high school. He was a coordinator. Dion, you've got
to stand back. I mean, this is a prime example
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of why prime is a problem. I'm wishing him luck,
and you know who I'm also wishing luck to is
Kevin Stefanski, who has a mighty big hill to climb
this week. All right, coming up next year on the Herd.
A former NBA star he did play for my knicks.
(12:47):
Is he taking a shot at Cooper Flag? I couldn't
tell based on the quote whether or not he's taking
a shot.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
I think it's a bit out of bounds.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
But we'll talk about that next year on The Herd.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays,
a Newneaster, not a im Pacific.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Obviously, SGA and the Thunder going to the finals against
Haliburton and the Pacers, And we saw that over the weekend.
Lebron did a podcast with Luka Doncic along with Steve Nash,
and they were talking about Luca's style, and I said,
why don't we do a list the top five players
in the NBA without a ring, And here's what Lebron
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and Luca talked about that got me to that point.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Here we go.
Speaker 10 (13:27):
Obviously, we've seen throughout his career, like if there's plays
and passes that certain guys that in the league history
have ever been able to make. I mean, it's always
his pace has always been his pace, and he's never
ever been on the floor where he's allowed someone to
dictate where they're gonna put him on the floor. It's
always been the opposite you know, and for us, we
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all working off of that. We just got to stay ready.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
You know what this is leading up to, right people.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I'm a Luca guy, and this is not just Johnny lately,
this is not since he got to the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
But I'm a huge Luca fan.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
So I thought i'd rank going from five to one
the five best players in the NBA without a ring. Now,
this caused some drama in the morning meeting, and I
out of the corner of my eye, I can see
Rick Buker just like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
So let's start with number five, fifth best player.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Right now in the NBA without a ring, and that's
got to be my guy, Jalen Brunson. He is a
phenomenal talent. He is emerges from the best point guards
in the league. He's a you know, sub six' three point,
guard which some people think you can't win. With And
brunson only does his deliver. Buckets, now why they didn't
get by The. PACERS i don't think it's fully On.
Brunson obviously his defense was not up to. Stuff but
(14:41):
the fifth spot came down to me For brunson Or,
haliburton And i'm, SORRY i Think brunson slightly better Than.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Haliburton SO i.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Go brunson at number, five the fourth best player in
THE nba without a.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Ring here we go a little bit of a. Curveball Jimmy. Butler,
now somebody tried to tell me in the morning.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Meeting oh my, God jay macke it's so much better
Than Jimmy, butler AND i almost like vomited in my.
Mouth come, on, Guy Jimmy butler as an alpha led
The Miami heat to the championship. Twice, okay that's a.
Speaker 11 (15:12):
Superstar.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
NOW i know he's getting up there an agent and
he's not what he was three years, ago but he
is still a phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
TALENT i love The Jimmy butler. Story back to my radio.
Days Like Jimmy.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Butler coming out of like living on he was, CouchSurfing,
okay had to like fax in his resume to get
into college At. Marquette like this guy was interrupt spot
and he has just become a star in THE.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
NBA i love everything About Jimmy.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
BUTLER i don't know they'll get a, title BUT i
have his fourth best player in the league without a.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Ring number. Three let's go to THE, Mvp Shay, Gilgess.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
ALEXANDER i have a Feeling rick's gonna have him at.
ONE i THINK sga is a really good.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Player obviously great.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Season he's on a really good.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
TEAM sga does everything.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Well i'm not gonna say he's a jack of all,
trades master of, none because he's the master of the
mid range right. Now he just gets buckets at the mid.
Range probably gonna get his title this, year right favorite
of the, fifth biggest favorite in like the last fifty
years or. WHATEVER sga third best player in the league
without a. Ring number Two Anthony. Edwards, YES i Believe
(16:17):
Anthony edwards is better Than Shake Gilges. Alexander, sorry he's,
younger he's got a better offensive.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Bag he's led the league in threes this.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Season he just doesn't.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Have as good of a team As, okay, SEE i
Think Anthony edwards is. Phenomenal all this future faith of
The league, stuff it's, legit. Guys he's that good now
Is he a little goofy off the court and sometimes
not locked in and he loves a good ig battye
who does? It but Once Anthony edwards grows up just
a little, bit alex stop. Laughing once he grows up
just a, Bit Anthony edwards is gonna be the top
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player in THE. Nba now for the number one player
in THE nba without a.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Ring it's got to Be. Luca who's better Than?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
LUCA i have him right there in The yoki Which giannis,
last and my thing THAT.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I cup back to all the.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Time luca makes everyone around him.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Better he did it In.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Dallas they got to the finals last year because he
made everyone around it.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Better That dallas team based on a great.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Team look at them this.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Year what would they do this?
Speaker 10 (17:17):
Year?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
NOW i Know kyrie GOT, herd but they had A
d and largely the same guys That luca had that
he put on his back and got to the. Finals for,
Me luca donc is the best player in THE nba
without a ring and without further. Ado let's welcome In Rick,
Bucker Fox SPORTS nba. Analysts, NOW i have great vision
AND i could See rick pacing turning, around throwing.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
His hands in the Other oh my, gosh J, mak you're.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Crazy so much. Work i've been much, work so little.
Time we made that contact a couple of.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Times oh rattling, On, oh.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Chills over There.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Ring Now, ring you're doing your list as, well.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Right, yes and don't pretend like you didn't see my.
LIPS i haven't seen.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
It they did tell, me and he could he could
be telling the.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Truth it's the Same.
Speaker 11 (18:05):
Lee we're gonna start sending out a bulgasy list to
the producer early so you don't different.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Critic i'll guess your guy number one IS sga, right?
Speaker 11 (18:14):
Yes and by and how do you possibly Put Anthony
edwards ahead Of Shake Gildes alexander after what we just?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Witnessed how is that? Possible, well it's.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Not like they were playing one on one.
Speaker 11 (18:26):
Rick they were both the leaders of their respective teams
and one guy got gentlemanly.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Swept he was.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
M v Against Anthony.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Edwards they, Said Julius reyna take hold.
Speaker 11 (18:37):
Because you know, what because he has no mid range.
Game if you Put Shake Gildes alexander, there the defense
isn't able to do the same, thing so he can
operate in more.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Places you want to go ahead to, Head, yes mid
range TO sga three point shooting To Anthony, edwards driving
to the, Rim Anthony edwards dunk on anybody and DEFENSE
i would go ant OVER sg and why didn't he.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
In that because there was five guys in the.
Speaker 11 (18:57):
Lady, Okay so if you don't have the mid, range
then you don't get the dunk as often and he
has to finish at the. Rim Look sga as far
as an offensive. Bag it's not as dynamic As, ants
but it is more. Complete without, QUESTION i can Say
sga is a three level. Scorer aunt falling in love
(19:18):
with the three has changed that. Dramatically half of his
shots this year were from, three and yet he shot
the same number as he did the previous. Season where
did the shots come from his mid? Range he abandoned
it and that cost him in the.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
PLAYOFFS i blame, analytics don't Blame.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Anthony so where do you Have luke on the?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
List? Uh, LUCA i BELIEVE i had. Second he's up.
Speaker 11 (19:41):
There but you're mixing the bag BECAUSE i also HAD
i Had aunt, fifth AND i Had Jimmy butler ahead.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Him now we're just talking about pure.
Speaker 11 (19:48):
TALENT i don't know that we can go, there But
i'm looking at A Jimmy, butler to your, point who
led teams to the finals. Twice like there's this this
combination of guys who are just purely talented who don't
have a, ring and guys who have demonstrated that they
they're next in the, line or they deserve a ring
because they've come so close and maybe they just didn't
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have the requisite team around.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Them But i'm not going to say that About.
Speaker 11 (20:13):
ANT i DON'T i don't BELIEVE i this is this
is my great issue is that when a player Like
ant doesn't get to the finals or doesn't win a,
ring we immediately, go, oh, well he doesn't have enough.
Help we need to get more pieces around. Him It's
Julius randall's. Fault it's it's It's Chris pinch's, fault It's
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Mike conley's.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Fault i'm, like, no if you're that.
Speaker 11 (20:37):
Kind of, player And i'm looking at the holes In Anthony.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Edwards game first and.
Speaker 11 (20:44):
FOREMOST i want him to fill those holes and Then
i'll figure out the pieces THAT i need around.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Him because that's.
Speaker 11 (20:49):
This This Minnesota timberwolves team was more talented than a
team that got gentlemanly.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Swept that's.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
FAIR i would push back and, Say aunt's twenty.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Three AND i THINK sg keep saying.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
That so three years, AGO sga was in the play
in and, meanwhile aunt is taking his team.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
To the conference.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Finals two years in a.
Speaker 11 (21:07):
Row his team has Gone his team has gone to the,
final to the conference finals two years in a.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Row admit That.
Speaker 11 (21:14):
JULIUS i could make a case That Julius randall had
more to do with them getting there this year than Than.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Ante, Well julian was unbelievably good until he. Wasn't, yes.
Speaker 11 (21:23):
Understood, yeah here's the other, part IS i keep First
last year it was he's twenty. Two now it's he's twenty.
Three and when asked like did this did this?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Hurt did you? STRUGGLE i donna. Struggle i'm. Good i'm
gonna work hard this, summer But i'm. Good like that
you like? THAT i did not love?
Speaker 11 (21:43):
That, okay some of the for me, either because you
the clock is ticking like and if you look at
guys Like tracy, McGrady Penny, hardaway there's any number of
guys that were great early. On Penny hardaway went to
the finals his second. Year he Was ALL Nba First
team two years in a. Row tracy, McGrady same thing
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was like the third or fourth year was was Was
ALL nba and getting SOME mvp, accolades BEFORE i take that.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Back that was With penny With shock Leaving.
Speaker 11 (22:21):
Orlandia but those guys were like when we looked at
them early in their first three four, years we're, like,
oh these guys are playing for, championships, right these guys
are going to be all time, greats and they hit
their zenith in those first four or five. Years that's
more the rule than the exception in terms of guys
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winning a. Ring, LIKE i think it's a foregone conclusion
a lot of people's, minds that Including, ants That ant
is going to WIN mvp at some point and he's
going to win a ring at some point, Probably. Right
The minnesota somber has had the most expensive roster in
the league this, year, Right and if we look at
some of the guards and some of the players early
(23:04):
on that, won it's because they had guys on their
team that were really good who were, Underpaid like The
Minnesota timberwolves are not, there, Right so is it gonna
happen in the next year or? Two, No, well then
now we're getting to twenty, seven twenty eight and having
to remake The timberwolves around. Him i'm JUST i think
there's this foregone conclusion About aunt THAT i wouldn't necessarily buy.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Into AS i hear you explain, THAT i was just
thinking to the Guy Lebron james in what year three
year something With cleveland goes to the, finals can't get back?
There says, Guys i'm Out derea and. O'keseep they get
to the, finals young, GUYS i have to go someplace, off?
Right so Is minnesota gonna do it In? Minnesota Anthony
edward's gonna do it In? Minnesota probably.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Not and here's the flip side of.
Speaker 11 (23:47):
That when you look at the guys that are there right,
Now sga And Tyrese, haliburton what are they have in?
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Common this isn't their first, Team this isn't their first.
Speaker 11 (23:57):
Team and there were there were doubts about both of
them at various, points like how good can they? Be
can they be the leader of a championship. Team we
haven't had anybody express that doubt About Aunt.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Edwards AND i believe.
Speaker 11 (24:11):
That you're taking away the motivation of a, player the
urgency of a player to, say you know, WHAT i
want to prove you. Wrong nobody's Saying aunt has to
prove them. Wrong everybody's still giving Him flowers in spite
of the fact that if you look at the last
Two Western conference, finals yes did they get. There, sure
(24:33):
but he was outplayed by another, Star Luca dantis last
year IN sga this, year and yet there still seems
to be no urgency or a feeling.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Like, Hey, ann you're like you need to pick it.
Up and if you're going to get.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
THERE i don't know what more he could. Do but,
anyways let's move on to The. KNICKS i just know
the post mortem we Had Frank eye so.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Long i'm. Pledging, hey let's take a deep.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Breath last year The pacers were swept by The Celtics conference.
Finals they make zero changes to their top, eight and
they're in THE Nba. FINALS i Know i've been, like,
hey maybe we Dumped. THIBODEAU i know there's This gianni's.
Chase i'm actually preaching some, Patients, rick AND i think
The knicks can run it.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Back are you?
Speaker 4 (25:16):
OKAY i, know Irrational New yorker over?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Here, no you? Are you are being incredibly. Rational Oh
i've Never i've never Heard wow be this.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Rational you're usually the we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
The coach like always, right the blow it, up get
rid of.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
THEM i had a boozy. Weekend it's of, basketball you,
know like you get your mind.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
CLEARED i came in this, MORNING i, said, guys we're
gonna stand Pat, yeah AND i think they can get
to THE Nba.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Finals they weren't far off this, Year, no they.
Speaker 11 (25:53):
Weren't the issue is, like, ideally if you're going to
play for a, championship they need a true two way,
big like right now they have Like Mitchell robinson's on the. Floor,
defensively they're a different, team but now they're a different
team offensively as. Well, Offensively kat gave you a. Lot
(26:14):
let's not under sell what he did for the better
part of the. Playoffs but if you're going to be
built around a point, guard And i'd look at the
two thousand and Four Detroit pistons winning a championship and
the twenty twenty Two Golden State, warriors you have to
have like the perfect pieces.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
And a lot of talent around that.
Speaker 11 (26:38):
Guard if you look at the numbers, alone What Jalen
brunson did this year in the regular season and in
the players playoffs mirrors What Steph curry did in twenty twenty,
two both regular season and.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Playoffs but What steph had was he Had.
Speaker 11 (26:59):
Andrew whiggins playing, almost, yeah almost better Than Draymond green
as a defensive player and a true was a two
way impact. Player you Had Draymond green still playing, well
you Had Klay thompson have his, moments you Had Jordan poole,
like you had all the pieces that allowed to that
covered the blemishes Of steph and allowed him to maximize
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what he.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Is that's what The knicks, need AND i don't know
that they have it right.
Speaker 11 (27:24):
Now but to your, point, like unless there was a
clear CUT i can get this thing that makes a.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Difference i'm standing packed.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Let, me can they Get? GIANNIS i don't. See it
just doesn't seem feasible given the.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Pick they don't have that.
Speaker 11 (27:37):
Anything, Yeah i've Been i've been asking about that BECAUSE
i mean the. Teams There's, Houston, yeah There's.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Brooklyn give up a, lot but he's not going.
Speaker 11 (27:48):
There, Yeah toronto's going to make a run at, him
BUT i DON'T i don't know that that's going to.
Happen but those two teams in, particular have the assets That.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Milwaukee would want.
Speaker 11 (27:59):
ASSETS i would add The spurs in the equation to
those three.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Teams it's.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Tough, Okay so let's downshift To Kevin.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Durant, yeah turn thirty seven In. September, Rick, Yeah i'm
a HUGE kd. Fan but is he that much of
an upgrade For? Kat and doesn't he shrink your window
from like maybe the next three years to, like you
better win this year Because kat's hurt all the.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Time, Yeah i'd say he's an.
Speaker 11 (28:20):
UPGRADE i mean the tricky part is are you just
getting him as a one year rental or is he
going to sign an? Extension do you want to sign
him to? Extension what does that extension look? Like there's
a lot of tricky parts to. That to your, point
because Of kd's age and where he is the one,
year the one year deal for a team that's looking
(28:41):
for cap.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Space that may be.
Speaker 11 (28:44):
STUCK i, mean that's Where minnesota is kind of. Attractive
but the problem is that you'd have to give up multiple.
Pieces it's Not Julius randall For Kevin, Durant Julius randall
And jade, McDaniels Or Julius randall And Rob dillingham And
Mike connelly when so that's where it becomes. Difficult it's
(29:05):
IT'S i had somebody this morning Suggests atlanta as for.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Kat just because they have the, assets AND i was.
Thinking my first reaction, was, Oh katie's kind of finished
his career In.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Atlanta that's Like Patrick ewing wearing A sonics jersey.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Or, yeah it's as you want for The raptors or something.
Silly you don't want to see.
Speaker 8 (29:25):
That not very.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Attractive but, No katie's going to be.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Difficult all, right let's go to the Actually Eastern Conference finals.
Voting did you have an issue with The siakam Five halliburton?
Four AND i will just breaface. This the media votes
on this, stuff yes, right, yes we know the. Media
they do some dumb, things obviously ALL nba. Voting but,
anyways did you have a major issue with?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
IT i really. Don't first of, all it was five to. Four,
yeah so it's like there's like.
Speaker 11 (29:50):
One swing, vote, right AND i can make a case
for either, guy, Yeh pascal if you look at the
if you take in to account the defensive end of the,
FLOOR i mean The knicks were Hunting Tyrese haliburton at,
Times Pascal siakam winning his battle being the best big
on the. Floor it was the difference. Maker and then
(30:12):
when you look in terms of key, baskets he didn't.
Have he didn't have the highlight moments That haliburton. Had
but the WAY i described it Was Pascal siakam was
the engine And.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Tyre's halliburton was the. Driver like he got everybody.
Speaker 11 (30:30):
Involved you, know he obviously assists were through the, roof
But Pascal siakam was getting to the free throw.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Line he was getting The nixon foul.
Speaker 11 (30:37):
Trouble and you, know in those situations where they absolutely
needed a, bucket they could hand him the ball and
he would go get.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
It it's.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Weird it felt Like Jalen brown Over Jason tatum last.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Year, yeah not unlike.
Speaker 11 (30:50):
THAT i was also, thinking like the kind of The
Iguidala Steph CURRY Mvp FINALS mvp annoyed.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Me such A curry. DEFENDER i would go online and
battle these.
Speaker 11 (31:00):
More like you, said the media doesn't always get it,
right BUT i don't think that they got it perversely.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Wrong this was it that.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Egregious now let me ask you about the. Finals i've
been workshopping this. TAKE i was gonna save it from
midweek when things are. SLOW i don't.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Know rick.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
His whole finals, battle, Right it's it's a good matchup of.
TEAMS nba diehards will love, it casuals probably will. Not
i'm of the belief That indiana is going to give
them a much closer series than the experts. Think everybody's, Saying,
oh There's, Okay so he's just a Juggernaut. Indy everything
That okac does really, well so Does. Indiana they've got the,
(31:39):
bench they play with pace and. Tempo halliburton led the
league and assist turnover. RATIO i, mean at one point
in the next, series he had like four turnovers in five.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Games, like it's one way that that's one way to
look at.
Speaker 11 (31:51):
IT a lot of people looking at all the things
That indiana, Does, okay se does and they just do it,
better right except for one. Thing And i'd say there's
two factors Where i'm with. You i'm not going to
say it's going to be a great. SERIES i think
that The pacers have a chance to make it an
interesting series in terms of pushing it to, six maybe even.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Seven AND i love.
Speaker 11 (32:15):
THAT i don't see them winning, it BUT i see
them making a.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Contest and for two.
Speaker 11 (32:20):
Reasons number, one they have shot the ball from three point,
range lights, out and they've done it.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Collectively LIKE i think.
Speaker 11 (32:30):
LEST i, checked they were shooting like forty percent in
the playoffs as a.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Team that's, insane.
Speaker 11 (32:34):
That, is and that's that's much much better THAN okc.
Does and as we, know the three point shot can
have a huge influence on flipping The, cavs flipping the odds.
Exactly the other part Is Rick carlisle And Pascal. SIAKO
i have two guys who know what it takes to
win a, championship who have been to the. Finals AND
(32:55):
i look at THE i look at The, thunder and
you have Of Alex. CARUSO i believe who won in the, bubble.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Right.
Speaker 11 (33:06):
Yeah and other than, that brand New Rick carlo has
been to the finals six. Times he took A Dallas
mavericks team that was probably as underrated and looked past
in the finals versus The Miami, heat as This pacers
team is against The Oklahoma City. Thunder SO i believe
(33:26):
that The carlisle is gonna have a few things up his.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
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Speaker 5 (34:36):
And by the, Way.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Nemhard, yeah you see he's making two million dollars this. Year,
yeah starting point, guard who's.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
GOOD i still remember.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
This nobody will remember, this but his final college, GAME
i think it was With Chet he shot like two of.
Eleven he was a train wreck and they lost his
big favorites And i'm, like this guy's not a. Pro
he was terrible Against. Arkansas nemhart has been. Phenomenal he's
a good basketball. Player and at two million dollars in the,
finals that's how You're that's how you're, here.
Speaker 11 (35:02):
And that's how you get to finals to you, know
going back to the Whole minnesota point is that you.
Have you, know when The warriors were making their, runs
they were Paying steph eleven million.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Dollars. Yeah, yeah he signed the four, year forty four
million dollar.
Speaker 11 (35:14):
Deal you, need especially in TODAY'S, nba you need a
couple of guys.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Who haven't been paid.
Speaker 11 (35:22):
Yet Jordan poole And Andrew wiggins in twenty twenty, two
like guys that are playing for the bag and and
The Minnesota timberwolves don't have.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
That so let me just did the whole small market
super team. Stuff the super Team aerr's over, sadly BUT
i need to remind People rick Like, lebron The lebron
we know, now before he got to The heat and started,
that he was like second banana To kobe And.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Shaq and The.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Celtics he wasn't the Polarized oh my, GOSH i can't Stand.
Lebron he wasn't that until he went to The. Heat,
Yeah and SO i just want some of these young
stars they're not. Polarized and if you don't have that lover,
hate it's just, like, oh we've got The pacers In
thunder in the.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Finals.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yeah AND i know THE nba doesn't want that because
the owners want everybody to have a, chance BUT i
feel like if you don't have, that it's not going
to be great for the.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
LEAGUE i don't.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Know that's kind of like a big picture. THING i
don't know how you've solved.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
That but there isn't really anybody at THE nba right
now that you feel strongly about one way of these.
Speaker 11 (36:24):
Right, no it has to happen, Organically and to your,
POINT i don't know who that is that's out there
right now that we feel that, Way.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
Well yannis could be the.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Lynchpin people are not going to like it if he
goes to a good team LIKE kd went to The,
Warriors instantly everybody hated, him But, rick you had to, Watch,
Yeah or are rearranging your anniversary dinners Around Kevin durant
Versus Lebron you know that kind of?
Speaker 11 (36:47):
Sure and IF kd goes to a contender that would
stir the pot leave as.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Well, Yes, look the league.
Speaker 11 (36:56):
Is taking a very different approach to the way it
traditionally approach things, is which is it's taking a global,
view AND i think in part it's playing to the
fact that it's best players are international players and that
the domestic market is basically, saturated like how much how
much more are you going to get out of out
(37:16):
of the domestic. Market but they look globally and they're, Thinking,
okay we have international. Stars it's why they're talking about
starting in A european division as much as as as you,
know getting expansion teams In Las vegas And, seattle you
hear as much about A european division as you hear about.
Those in, fact those those, moves WHICH i still think
are going to happen are sort of have been. Forgotten
(37:38):
SO i believe that they're looking, at you know, what
we want to attract an audience that's going to buy
jerseys and is going to stream games and is going
to be you, know be, fans and we don't need,
like we don't have to cut through the. Mainstream have
have stars that are going to cut through the mainstream
in THE.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Us because.
Speaker 11 (38:01):
You, know the people In serbia are going to go
crazy for The Denver, nuggets, right and maybe you capture
a bigger part of The canadian market with Shake hill Just.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
ALEXANDER i think that they're looking at.
Speaker 11 (38:14):
Globally we have attractions that other leagues don't and that's
our sweet.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Start so we'll wrap up with This Cooper.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Flag Carmelo anthony had some quotes and it's interesting you
just mentioned domestic. International, yeah AND i don't want to
Say carmelo was bashing, him but he was basically saying
like he's not great at, Anything he's a good, player does.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Everything, Well, yeah there's a.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
World Jeff tigue last week was LIKE sga saved THE
nba with the mid. RANGE i was, like, EH i
honestly Think Cooper flag. DOMESTICALLY i know people aren't gonna
want to hear. This he can be a savior of.
Sorts And i'm sorry to bring up, race but he's
a white guy who can maybe dominate in a league
where there hasn't been a dominant white guy in a long.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Time, yeah you, know it's.
Speaker 11 (38:55):
FUNNY i look at like A Chef holmegren and A Cooper,
flag and it's then they sort of shift my view
of where we are as far as Our american born
players and our ability to compete. Internationally LIKE i think
If Anthony edwards continues to evolve and you have A
Cooper flag and you have A Chet, holmgren.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
We have a chance to still be all. Right france
isn't gonna take over over just quite.
Speaker 11 (39:19):
Yet but you, KNOW i Hear carmelo BECAUSE i think
one of the dangers is when we have somebody who's
who's taken number, one we immediately expect them to be a.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Superstar, yes AND i don't.
Speaker 11 (39:31):
KNOW i Think Cooper flag could be a really good
player for a really long or good, good really long,
time BUT i don't know that he's Necessarily.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
Okay, well wait to find superstar Was lebron a superstar
right out of the, gate averaging like twenty three as a.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Rookie he had the earmarks of.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
It, okay what About zion first? YEAR i know he's
heard and blah blah, blah but.
Speaker 11 (39:53):
No zion's a classic example of somebody that we anointed
way too early and and making The Anthony edwards.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Comparison Like.
Speaker 11 (40:04):
Zion was supposed to be the next whatever like from
the gate and and even Even lebron like until he
lost and everybody started to, say, well maybe.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
He's not a. Champion that The dallas series that.
Speaker 11 (40:19):
Forced him to, no, no, no, no, no that forced him
to go To miami to get out.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Of Cleveland Super Team, celtics right.
Speaker 11 (40:26):
Right like he finally had, To, hey you got to
put up or shut.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Up like we kept making excuses For. Zion, ah he's.
Heard if he could just stay, Healthy i'm. Done. Yeah
by the, way is he moving the?
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Summer is he going? ANYWHERE i don't know what the
market is For.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
ZION i.
Speaker 11 (40:43):
DON'T i don't know that he's going. Anywhere but he's
got bigger.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Issues oh that's, right, yeah, yeah he does all. Right final,
one we haven't Mentioned Ja moran in a couple of,
years couple of years that something's going on In. MEMPHIS
i keep hearing This Jaron jackson, stuff and then, there's,
hey maybe we just move on From, jos start, over.
Reboot any thoughts on jommerate because, he for like seven
minutes was.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Going to be the future of THE.
Speaker 11 (41:07):
Nba, yeah, WELL i don't think he gets back there.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
NOW i think there's just there's too much water under the.
BRIDGE i could he be.
Speaker 11 (41:16):
Moved, Man that's it's as difficult As minnesota moving In Anthony.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Vans you don't get stars like that in markets like
that unless you.
Speaker 5 (41:27):
DRAFT i MEAN i just think Of luca got moved
and nobody thought that was.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Coming, yeah that's the exception rather than the.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
Rule, yeah all, Right Rick, BUKER i, mean look at.
That that's like twenty great minutes with a guy who
we actually.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
There was a couple of.
Speaker 11 (41:39):
Things we had some patico on and you were, like
you were rational and sober at one.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Point this was a good, session have to be it
was J.
Speaker 11 (41:49):
Mac this was this WAS i enjoyed this thing so.
MUCH i may even come back
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