June 10, 2025 • 37 mins
Colin believes the Steelers need to take drastic steps to get back into Super Bowl contention and just signing quarterback Aaron Rodgers is not good enough. After reports stating the Knicks and Jason Kidd have mutual interest to make Kidd the new head coach, Colin argues the Mavericks with Cooper Flagg is the better job despite the Knicks making the Eastern Conference Finals. He also talks to 3x National Champion head coach Urban Meyer about the changes coming to college football, USC - Notre Dame rivalry and expectations for Arch Manning at Texas
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh Tuesday, It's a good one today, Urban Meyer and
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Thanks for making us part of your day. Jamac You
know I wear the pink shirt when I want what
I mean when I stand on business, and today I
am standing on business today, waiting on Okay, all right,
(00:50):
I hear you. I am ready to roll. So I
know peoplefuly done crazy in Pittsburgh when I suggest considering
moving off TJ. Watt, But I saw a story this morning. TJ. Watt,
great player. By the way, top plays through injury is productive.
He's not a Steelers mandatory mini camp. Mandatory mini camp
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starts in the NFL today as when the veterans show up,
and so there's a handful of guys that are like,
I'm not going to show up. So he's not going
to show up. And you know why, because he knows
he owns Mike Tomlin, he owns the Steelers. He's going
to get whatever he wants. Everybody in Pittsburgh owns a TJ.
Watt Jersey. They don't want any backlash. The Rooney's small town,
they don't want any backlash. And he's going to get
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whatever he wants. TJ. Watt. Right now, the Steelers lead
the NFL in defensive spending and that's pre TJ. Watt contract,
and he's going to get forty to forty seven million
large per year. Okay, you want to know the two
teams in the NFL going into this season with the
lowest defensive spending, the Eagles in the Rams, both in
(01:57):
the Super Bowl bubble. Yeah, Kansas City. Six of the
top seven contracts for Kansas City and they're well run
front office offense. Eagles eight for eight of their biggest
contracts offense. The Steelers all five big contracts, five biggest
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all defense, and that's pre TJ Watt deal. He knows
he has them. Everybody in town owns a jersey. The
Roonies don't want backlash. Tomlin's a defensive guy. He's gonna
take them to the cleaners. To think about this. The
Steelers have a forty one year old quarterback who's like
partially committed on a sweet deal, and they're gonna back
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up the brinstruck for TJ Watt. And this is not
a criticism of TJ Watt, but in four playoff games,
he's got one sack, no force fumbles, six tackles. That's
because when you get to the playoffs and the AFC
or the NFC, you face the best left tackles and
it's hard to get past those guys. That's why Michael
Parsons playoff stats, he disappears. He gets gobbled up. A
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lot of TJ wats numbers been against that bad Bengals
O line, you know, or bad Cleveland O line. And
this is not anti TJ Watt. He's a hell of
a player. He's their best player. He's tough, he's physically
he plays through pain. Aer for four in the playoffs,
one sack. So I mean the Steelers and I've been
(03:22):
saying this. They're your buddy who's got a Rolex but
sleeps on a cheap mattress. Bro get your priorities in order.
Since twenty nineteen, you're twenty six, twenty eight, twenty ninth
in every offensive staff. But hey, you got a great
deal on the Aaron Rodgers contract, so you're looking for discounts.
At quarterback. You got a six round draft pick Mason
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Rudolph again, forty one year old Aaron Rodgers. I mean,
nobody gets more out of less or less out of
more take your pick than the Steelers at quarterback. I
mean they but TJ. Watt knows we're gonna pay him,
so they have the number one defensive spending in the
league pre TJ. Watt. And I was looking at this
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this morning. You think I'm the crazy person. Eight years
no playoff wins. The house is on fire, I bring
a fire extinguisher, and I'm the crazy person. I'm the
guy that's out of touch. You just keep clinging to
that Tjwatt Jersey in Pittsburgh. And again, he's a really
good player. His brother, older brother, was a great player.
That's not the question. The question is he's gonna get
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forty five million bucks and he knows it everywhere he goes.
In Pittsburgh, there's a Tjwatt jersey and it translates to
nothing in the playoffs. I'm the crazy one. I saw
a headline this morning. I laughed. The Aaron Rodgers contract
is a major bargain for the Steelers. They never get
those on defense. The Hey they paid top dollar for
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everybody on defense. And the Eagles eight biggest contracts eight
for eight all offense. And I've been saying this. You
want your defense, the Rams, the Chiefs, the Eagles. They
get this. You want offense to be experienced veterans. It's
the smart side of the You have to choreograph the offense.
I want an expensive veteran quarterback right. I want receivers
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I can trust. I want a great left tackle. The
most underrated position in football is center. The Bears went
out and spent money on a center. The Eagles always
have great centers. The Chiefs have the best center. The
Ravens have the second best center. I want to spend
money on offense defense. I want him to be young, twitchy,
and cheap. Outside of one great pass rusher, all pay
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for Hendrickson Max Crosby, and you say, well, what about
the Steelers problem with the Steelers would pay everybody. You're
paying safeties and linebackers, an interior defensive lineman. And I'm
the crazy one. Okay, sure, I'm just here with a
fire extinguisher. I don't know, eight years, no playoff wins.
I'm just suggesting something new. Of course, TJ Wat's going
to get everything he wants. Okay, So the second story
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I saw, so I didn't like the firing of Tims.
I just didn't like it. I thought he built culture.
I think the Knicks issues are personnel and contracts. It's
not coaching. I don't think he's the most creative guy.
But there's a story this morning for Brian Windhorst, who's excellent,
and Brian windhors is saying, basically, the Knicks are interested
in Jason Kidd, and Jason Kidd is interested in the
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New York Knicks, and I don't get it. There is
no way I'm leaving Dallas with Cooper flag arriving from Duke.
There is no way I'm leaving cashe a Nicks cash
cow Cooper flag Dallas. Forget the state tax thing, which
is obviously a huge benefit. But if you look at
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Dallas's young talent, Cooper Flag's the best domestic player in
a decade plus. He's going to be twenty three points
next year. He's fantastic. And then Derek Lively another duke.
He's twenty one seven to one Rim protector for a
decade plus, he's twenty one years old. He's a kid.
So Cooper Flag is what eighteen nineteen unlimited. I got
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Anthony Daydavis, who, in my opinion the last three years
have been the best defensive player in the league. He's
twenty four and eleven every night. Kyrie Irving were not
so sure, but you got PJ. Washington, you got Gaffer,
you got Max Christy. There's a lot to play with here.
I like the Knicks, but now Mikhale Bridges he wants
a new deal, and Brunson's got a big contract, and
(07:20):
SODA's kat and so does Mitchell Robinson and og got paid,
and I feel with the listen, I can like the
Knicks a lot, but I know what they are. I
get two things with Dallas that the New York Knicks
don't get. I get between the two teams, the best players,
Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis is better than Brunson. I'm sorry,
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twenty four and eleven offensively unbelievable defensive player and rebounder
and shot blocker. Best player on the Mavericks or the
Knicks is Anthony Davis and the greatest trajectory by far
as Cooper Flag. The Knicks are guys that are expensive,
and we know what they are. They're good, but they
got a ceiling.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
They're limited.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I mean, Brunson's never going to be an elite defender,
Cats atrocious defensively on you know, most possessions. Robinson will
never be great offensively. Bridges plays every night that guys
have missed the game since seventh grade. But you know
what he is classic Villanova geist. He squeezes every out
of town edit. But I know what the Knicks are,
(08:24):
and what they are is getting really expensive. You don't
know what Derek Lively and Cooper Flagg are gonna be.
One could end up being the best young rim protector
in the league, and Cooper Flagg could be the best
player in the league. I'm not leaving that. There's no
way when you you cannot leave that kind of trajectory,
that there's no way I mean, I was, I was
(08:47):
watching something the other day. I was, I was watching
somebody talking about a young Michael Jordan, and this person
was like, oh, I knew he was going to be great,
but nobody knew he would be that. I mean, we
all knew Tiger Woods was going to be great, nobody
thought he would be that. I mean, we all knew
show Hey o Tani was special, we didn't know it
was gonna be that. That's what you're talking about with
(09:07):
Cooper Flagg. You could have a twenty eight point game.
He's like I said, he's Jason Tatum but aggressive. If
you took Jason Tatum's game and you said it's eight
percent better and it's more aggressive, you'd have the face
of the league. Cooper Flagg's got the aura, he's got Duke,
he's got the game. The only thing he doesn't have
is NBA experience. So again, you could have the cashe
(09:28):
I'll take the cash cow. Also, I mean, I understand
the East doesn't have as many good NBA general managers
as the West, so it's easier, but I mean Brunson
and Josh Hart and Robinson and Kat and Bridges, I
know there's a limitation right now, Cleveland'll be better next year.
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Eventually Tatum comes back. Watch out. The Pacers may never
get worse over the next five years. I don't know
what I get with Derek Lively and Cooper Flagg. And
if I have the best rim protector and Derek Lively
seven to one, twenty one years old just getting better,
that that means Cooper Flagg doesn't have to worry the
Dallas Mavericks. Between Anthony Davis and Derek Lively and PJ. Washington,
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they get all sorts of rem protectors. Translation, Cooper Flagg
can get out on the break. He can just say,
twelve feet from the hall giving the ball, I'm up
the floor leading the break. What a great And Jason
Kidd knows that kids one of the great point guard
talents of all time. And Cooper Flagg will not a
point guard, it's a you know, six' eight, wing but
he's an unbelievable transition. Player SO i would not take.
(10:35):
THAT i would not Leave. DALLAS i makes the argument
that now The laker fans have Seen luca's lack of
defensive commitment and lack of cardio, commitment had The Dallas
mavericks stayed healthy and not fallen apart. PHYSICALLY i think
they would have gone to The Western Conference. FINALS i
think their roster's, unbelievable whether or Without. Kyrie All, right J.
Mack we Got Albert breer last hour on some inside
(10:57):
stuff of The aaron. Contract Nick, Right Urban meyer as well,
well feeling it big night of, sleep Bro buddy feeling
taking the guys out tonight for a night on the. Town.
YEAH i Got ryan playing volleyball all day. Yesterday HE'S
i mean this this thing it is cooking out. Here
you didn't tell me. That, Wait, COLEY i did?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
You you joked That yanna should want to stay in The.
East but does it the same apply To jason. Kids
shouldn't he want to Go? East win with The. Knicks
let's be. Real even Though Kyrie irving may come back
in you, know The All.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Star, break we don't know what mats.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Are not top five in The. West next, year The
nicks open the season.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Top three in The. East, NO i totally. DISAGREE i
think A. D Cooper Flag Live. LEAGUE i think it's
an excellent. Team Max christy can even. PLAY i think
it's an excellent. Team, WOW i really. Do I'M i
am so high in The Dallas mavericks Top Miles. West,
absolutely no, QUESTION i absolutely no. Question just do this real.
Quick are they better THAN?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Okc?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
No are they better Than denver by next?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Year?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, Oh Jamal murray plays himself into. Shape denver's. Become
by the, way they don't Want porter, anymore they don't
want to Pay murray. Anymore they Love Gordon Yo kitchen
and nobody Else dallas's whole. ROSTER i, Like, okay are
they been in The? Lakers absolutely? Not, yes absolutely, yes?
Absolutely come, on really, no, NO i THINK i, AM i,
(12:20):
AM i. LISTEN i don't like their football. TEAM i
think The Dallas mavericks next, year healthy With Cooper, flag
are the real. DEAL i think he's going to be
so much better than people. THINK i trust a couple
of MY nba. Guys they think he's just going to
excel With Jason. KIDD i love he is going to
totally excel with that staff next.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Year, whoa, whoa that's gon Take ANDREY. Tj, watt what
a start to the.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Show you, know it's funny that when you suggest you
would think In pittsburgh with a high standard that eight
years of no playoff. Wins the suggestion that you may
want to scale back off guys in four playoff games
that don't that they, have you, know like one, sack
it would be or forty five. Million by the, way
HAVE i not been Trade Micah. PARSONS i mean, again
(13:05):
you can get there are certain positions in football that
are readily available from the draft every. Year wide. Receivers
there's a lot of pass. Rushers there's a lot of
six foot three guys that are two fifty and. Those
there's so many, big great. Athletes that's why there's so
many good pass. Rushers there's so many good tight. Ends
we live in a society with, big, strong, fast twitchy,
(13:26):
athletes and it's like a lot of them play tight end.
NOW i mean tight end now is basically it's a
wide receiver that blocks. Half these guys run four or
five fives at tight. End so to, me IT'S i don't.
KNOW i don't think it's crazy to suggest you have
the highest defensive spending in the league THREE. Tj watt
making forty five. Million you got to make some tough choices.
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App, Okay, so according to MARY A, cabot WHO I
trust covers The Cleveland, Browns Dylan gabriel got the first
set of eleven on eleven's working with the first team,
offense first team. Defense Shadoor sanders worked with a second
team offense and against the second team. Defense so we
have a piece of video From Chadeur. Sanders let's roll
(14:20):
the tape on. THIS i am told it looks a
little Like Johnny unitas Meets Joe. Montana look at that deep,
ball my, lord in a heavy gusty, wind it pierces
The ohio. Weather here's another one over the. Middle you,
know you know What i'm Sending Dylan gabriel. Video you're
just seeing lots Of. Chadur look at that second team
(14:44):
scrub wide receiver barely gets open and he places that
cookie right in the. JAR J, mack what do you
gotta say for? Yourself i'm just, saying you, KNOW i
had to look up that.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Cornerback it turns out he works At chipotle and he's
try to make The. Browns so that's who Schaduor sanders is,
okay secondary time?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Out are these? Now my staff just sent these? Numbers
are those? Todays? Stop, okay listen to, This, okay listen to,
This so take flaccol. Out he didn't he didn't. Play
Dylan gabriel went seven of. Eighteen Kenny pickett went six of,
ten which sums up his career. Six Shadure sanders ten of,
(15:28):
twelve two, touchdowns no. Picks he keeps putting these numbers
up AT ota and mandatory. Camp i'm, sorry but he's
exactly what he was in. College. Accurate Shadu sanders ten of,
twelve two. Touchdowns, now last week when he was, good
it was, like well It's OTA's i get, IT i get.
It but he was. Accurate so here The browns quarterbacks
(15:48):
mini camp. Today who's got the best numbers? Again Chaduere.
Sanders you need the. Context The chadure.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Is playing against backups and second, stringers And Dylan gabriel's
with the. Ones, AKAY i just need to remind PEOPLE
i would proach the door before the, draft and then
THE nfl basically rejected him all.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Of THE nfl and he fell to the fifth.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Round and because of That that's Why i'm, LIKE i
don't think he's a. STARTER i don't Dislike Shador, colin
but you have to admit the ENTIRE nfl passed on
him for a.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Reason, okay, well the ENTIRE nfl first round passed On Jalen.
Hurts they make, mistakes there are guys that have been.
DRAFTED i, MEAN i wouldn't get too caught up on
will they make. Mistakes there was his Dad's Super bowl
tour saying we're not playing for these, teams directed right
at the teams that we're gonna draft him and owners
(16:38):
in THE, nfl it's an all boys. Club they don't
want to hear that you don't want to play for their.
Team so there were people that just, SAID i mean
When Dion sanders During Super bowl week went on very
popular shows and the message was there are teams he
will not play. For he wasn't talking about The, Bills
ravens And chiefs And. Eagles he was talking about The
(16:58):
saints and The giants and the owners that would draft.
Him that's why did you notice this after The Super?
Bowl When, dion you, know had his sort of parade
through talk. Shows did you notice after That Super bowl
Week Media, week The jackson dart is the apple of
The New York's giants eye. Started why they're like because
(17:21):
probably ownership said we're not, interested we're Not we're not taking.
Him and also there's the report that he. Went you,
Know shador went to The giants wasn't great on the.
Board so my take, IS i think it got. PERSONAL
i think his dad was. INVOLVED i think there was
a lot of stuff With shador that turned people off
and owners started getting involved in decision. Making All i'm saying,
(17:45):
is if you look at These ota And mini camp,
Numbers Dylan gabriel's, Inaccurate Kenny pickett Is Kenny. Pickett flackell's
not doing much because it's his job to, lose And
Shador sanders continues to have the best. Numbers Here's Albert
breer on The browns quarterback.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Race it's really hard when you look at the early
part of their, schedule unless they're a lot better than
they were last, year for them to be coming out
of that in a real position of. Strength and SO
i do Think Joe flacco is likely going to be
The week one. Starter Joe flacker has been great in the,
Building he's been great for that quarterback. Room he's been
(18:23):
great for the young. QUARTERBACKS i think you'll Hear chaduor
And Dylan gabriel talk about him that way when the
media talks to them this. Week SO i Think joe's
going to get a. Shot AND i, think you, know
If joe looks good In july And, august you, know
then you'll see the team behind, him and then you
get Int, september and his ability to hold onto that
(18:44):
job won't just be about his own, Play it'll be
about where the team.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Is The browns probably fairly have the weakest receiving core
in the. League So shador's working with their second team.
Receivers their first team receivers are the weakest unit in the.
LEAGUE i, MEAN i don't think that's taken a. Shot
it's a bad receiving. Unit shador's getting the second he's
(19:08):
getting the, leftovers and he goes ten for. Twelve all,
Right SO i have a comp for, You. Colin are you?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Ready it was a gentleman Named Lonzo ball who was
an acclaimed college basketball player for a, minute then he
goes to the. Draft his dad was piping. Up do
you REMEMBER i had to look this up In Summer
league with The, Lakers Lonzo ball had a game where
he had thirty, six eleven and eight against The.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Sixers, oh he's the future of THE. Nba Lonzo bol's
gonna crush.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
It and he came out and was, like you, know
squashed like a bug as a, rookie and he clearly
could not. PLAY i wonder if there's a parallel with
This ota nonsense Where saedor's cooking And Lonzo ball in summer.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Camp all time most accurate college quarterback Was Shador sanders
with a seventy four percent completion. Rate chador's total stats
FROM OTAs in today's mini camp twenty six of thirty,
five seventy four percent completion, rate eight, touchdowns one. Pick
he is exactly as a PRO otn mini caamp what
(20:10):
he was the college player twenty six of thirty, five eight,
touchdowns one. Pick and it's not getting reps with the first. Team.
Okay All i'm saying is you can keep telling me.
SOMETHING i keep getting this video with these lasers piercing
the air In, ohio that muggy difficult air to throw.
(20:31):
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Movie Star wars.
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Podcasts Urban meyer now joining Us Fox sports college football.
ANALYST i got a bunch of. STUFF i want to
talk about big picture when small. Picture BUT i was
reading all my college football magazines and THE nil is one,
thing the transfer portals. Another So Brian kelly went heavy,
Portal Lincoln riley heavy, Portal Deon sanders heavy, Portal belichick heavy.
(22:14):
Portal you can buy, players you can't buy. Chemistry Ohio
state has bought elite. Players but for some, Reason Ryan
day has made it work where they've had an influx of.
Guys maybe they just get better. Guys But i'm watching
a lot of. THESE i Think lincoln can, COACH i
Think brian can. COACH i Think dion's been a good.
(22:36):
Coach how Is Ohio state use THE nil and it
worked for? Them it hasn't disrupted chemistry.
Speaker 8 (22:46):
You, know a lot of guys equated it to back
in the day When Kansas state was getting all those
junior college, players and most college coaches avoided that because
they didn't want to disrupt their.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Culture you look Up Mike.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
Norvel that might be the you, know the case study
for you take an undefeated, team take a bunch of,
transfers and they took some wrong. Guys quite, honestly you
watch them play from one year to the, other and
they're not even close to what it. Was where you
look At Ohio. STATE i Think Ohio state And i've
talked to Coach day about this And Mark. Pantoni THEIR
(23:17):
gm is that they have never been more cautious about
what they bring into that. Program first of, all you
don't need to change. Much they recruit on a. Level
they recruit on an incredible. Level so if you're going
to bring someone, in you, KNOW i FINALLY i got
there at a point a couple of times in my
career where do not take that? Person if that can
disrupt the, culture don't do. It and as a, result
(23:39):
we let some good players get away from. Us but
we're not going to change our. Culture so that's what they're.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Doing speaking Of big. Ten you Know James franklin very.
Well college football is going through massive. Change And i've said,
THIS i don't care if it's, tech IT'S. Ai it
always becomes the wild wild. Wife bitcoin will eventually settle,
down but when anything's, changing it's wild and you try
(24:06):
to get. Guardrails do you think college football has put
it enough guardrails when you talk to guys Like James
franklin or are they kind of terrified the, portal the
nil and where it's.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
GOING i just spoke To James franklin and we have
a great, relationship and the one THING i want to
hit is That i'm mesmerized by this whole the new
commission that's going to now enforce.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Rules AND i kind of lost it.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
On someone the other day on a podcast where they, said,
well finally we have rules and we have, guardrails And i'm,
like wait a. Minute for forty years we had to
take a test on a three to four inch rule.
Book we had to sign our name to saying that
we're in. Compliance it wasn't the fact that there weren't.
Rules they are rules for. Everything there is no comp
there was no. Enforcement THE ncaa could write a book
(24:55):
on how not to enforce and how not to. Investigate
and it was not their. Fault they had no subpoena
power and there is no it was. Toothless every time
they made the decision on a on infraction, case the
Litigated Tom. MARS i heard that. Name you Know Tom
mars is going to sue that and they. Lose so my, Understanding,
colin this is the game. Changer this new commission is
(25:17):
going to have subpoena power that will expediate the process of.
Investigation And i'm hoping that it also if once you're
investigated you don't tell the, truth you, know the punishment's
going to be ridiculous and it's not gonna be four
to five years after the. Fact and then they say
that the power four. Conferences this came from A big,
(25:39):
twelve big The big twelve. Commissioner we spoke to him as.
Well is that they're all going to have to sign
to be part of. This they're going to sign an
agreement that they're going to first follow the rules and
they're not going to. Litigate if this commission finds a big.
Guilty i'm skeptical because of forty years of watching it
and if that can, happen then you can officially say
(26:03):
that college football was in.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
COMPLIANCE i hope it.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Does here's my. QUESTION i can buy high school, players,
now what IS i? Mean what CAN'T i? Do IF
i can buy? Players what is really the death penalty
now for college football that a compliance guy comes in and, says, okay,
coward that is off. Limits what's off? Limits?
Speaker 8 (26:26):
Now, well everyone From Texas tech we had that coach
on our podcast the other, day From Texas tech To
Penn state To Ohio, State. Alabama they have a salary.
Cap it's twenty point five million. Dollars anything above that is.
Nil but that has to go Through deloitte and they
have To they can't give some outrageous number through that
(26:48):
collective or through the nil. Issues so once, Again i'm
skeptical as can. Be but if this isn't a, FACT
i love What i'm. Hearing that means that you cannot.
Go Ohio state's gonna have the same sober kapita As Texas.
Tech and then the nil on top of that is
going to be all scrutinized to turn into proper paperwork
(27:10):
and say we can't give that seventeen year old five
million dollars to go do a charity event and sign his.
Name you know that that's kind of stuff was going.
On and so if this is all True colin What
i've heard in the last three, Days i'm excited about,
it yet extremely.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Skeptical, OKAY i get a lot of pushback on. THIS
i did not grow up in a family of great.
Tradition And i've said, Before Lincoln riley's job is to
get to the, playoff And Lincoln riley's, like, TIMEOUT i
don't Get Washington state. ANYMORE i don't Get Oregon, STATE
i don't get COW i don't Get. ARIZONA i GET
(27:48):
i have to go To madison and Ann arbor And.
Columbus and the only teams that came to The pac,
twelve came to The big ten Were, Oregon washington and my.
Rival SO i don't get any cream. Pops So Lincoln,
RYLEY i don't know If Lincoln riley's spearheading, this but
people AT usc are, like so we want Another november
cold weather. Game, no we'll. Do we'll play You Notre
(28:12):
dame on a year to your, basis only In. September
we'll play In South bend and. Zev we're not playing
In november with The buckeyes coming. Up so my take
is this, idea oh college, Football Notre DAME. Usc the
highest rated game last year Was Georgia. Texas it was
a non rivalry. Game if you If I'M, usc why
(28:33):
DO i have to Play Notre dame? Two Notre dame
won't they won't join a. Conference it's on, them not on?
Me is it?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Not it?
Speaker 8 (28:41):
Is BUT i coached At Notre, dame AND i guess
There's i'm a sixty year old that's probably acted like
a seventy five year old BECAUSE i loved, it the,
PAGEANTRY i love the. Rivalries please don't take away that.
Game please don't move The Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Wolverine game the middle of the.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
Season you, know we saw what happen up and When
texas quit Playing TEXAS a AND. M i thought it was.
Awful maybe people did. It you KNOW byu should be Playing.
Utah SO i hope that doesn't go.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
AWAY i get.
Speaker 8 (29:08):
IT i understand you're But i'm also, saying If i'm
A Notre dame, Fan i'm writing a. Check you're PLAYING.
Usc If i'm A usc, fan you're Playing Notre day.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah Maybe Notre dame should consider joining a. Conference all
You golden domers out, there we don't need a. Conference
it's funny how you guys Just Notre dame just signed
a twelve year deal With, clemson and you know why
they did that because THE acc stinks and they need
one great game on their. Skit, no that's, true by.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
The, way absolutely.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Correct how much PRESSURE i saw the over under ON
usc seven and a half, games AND i think that's.
ACCURATE i think they're best players of. SAFETY i think
they're very very. YOUNG i think they're an eight win.
Team at some, point when's the hammer come? Down or
do you think this remains long? Term linking is? Fine
what if they go eight in? Five is that good? Enough?
Speaker 8 (30:00):
WELL i guess the Way i've always looked AT usc
IS i equate them To Ohio, State, Alabama, texas and you, Know.
FLORIDA i Just i've always looked AT usc as one
of the top five jobs In. America So i've got
a lot of respect For Lincoln, rilly AND i NEVER
i promised MYSELF i would never call for jobs Because
i'm not going to do. That, however when seven eight
(30:21):
wins is, ACCEPTED usc that's when you you, KNOW i don't.
KNOW i don't agree with. THAT i think you take
a five hour you take a five hour net and
drop it ON, usc and you see the best players
in the. Country SO i think this is the year the.
Recruiting here's a question ABOUT. Usc that have the number
one recruiting class in the country right?
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Now should they have that every?
Speaker 8 (30:40):
YEAR i, MEAN usc IS, usc AND i think they're
going to have a great, year AND i think not
after this, Conversation but eight and, five go eight and
five And Ohio state and see if that.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Happens oh, no it's a whole different. BALLGAME i want
to talk Arch manning for a, second BECAUSE i haven't
seen enough of, him BUT i SEE i like he's
put on, weight he. Moves, well if you knew you
Had Arch manning and you knew the speculative, nature here
comes the. MEDIA i remember when you were At florida
(31:13):
you could you could kind of fend off the. Media
those days are. Over kids have their social. Media you can't.
That there's too many, platforms there's too many media. People
there's drones. Everywhere what do you do if you're? Sarked
do you just sort of, say if you're, Sarked, hey
he's A. Manning he'll be able to handle. It ARCH
i don't, remember Maybe. TEBOW i don't remember a college
(31:33):
quarterback that was more anticipated to play in twenty, years
maybe T bow Than Arch. Manning how did you Coach
tebow going into his last year At florida knowing the
onslaught of media and. Expectations, well quick history.
Speaker 8 (31:49):
Lesson tebow won The Heisman trophy of sophomore, year won
The national champions junior, year and he was the golden.
Child and then all of a sudden people turned on.
Him you, know he's not AN nfl. Quarterback he's throwing
motions all this and that we'd win by two scores
Against tennessee and that was. Enough TVO's not playing, well
AND i saw that the media and the people kind
of turned not not The gator, nation but the country
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kind of turned on a little. BIT i couldn't understand,
that you, know whether it was they criticized his religion or.
Whatever but my answer would be you embrace. IT i,
Mean Arch fanning is there for a. Reason it's not
because of his last. Name because if he was a
bad quarterback and he had that last, name and then
he wouldn't be getting. It he's potentially a great, quarterback embrace.
It that's life in the big, city and you're gonna
(32:35):
get scrutinized and you can give far too much credit
for when the team plays. Well SO i Think Sark
sarks the perfect guy for. Him sarks been in. It
he's a quarterback guy's he played quarterback, himself and he's
coached At, alabama so he's got the.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Arch has got the perfect coach to handle those.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Expectations, okay finally back To Ohio. State they've never won
back to back titles and a lot of it is
just the reality of that, program right like it's it's
and now they've got they've got A michigan, issue ALTHOUGH
i think they'll overcome it this. Year they have to
REPLACE i, MEAN i think sixteen, starters so it's. Now
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they have the two best players in the country in my,
Opinion Caleb downs And, smith so that's a great starting.
Block and it Is Ohio, state and they're recruited at
an amazing. Level AND i think they won a national
title yet last year without a great old, line which
is hard to. Do SO i think they'll be better up?
Front what is your number one concern? Though For Ryan,
day no back to back natties ever At Ohio. State
(33:35):
what is the messaging you think to a team last
year that pulverized people in the, playoffs Humiliated, tennessee what's the?
Speaker 8 (33:43):
Messaging, well it all starts through the quarterback and they
got a new one and they Have sane And Klin,
holtsen you, have you, know but that position's got to
get good and get.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Good fast as they open With.
Speaker 8 (33:54):
Texas the biggest ISSUE i think is when a team
wins a national, championship everything.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Changes To Joe madden in.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
Twenty, sixteen he just came off win in A World
series AND i Went solomon at The Chicago cubs when
he was the manager of The, cubs and he was
miserable and he, said how hard it is to you,
know have back to. Back it doesn't happen very. Often
why because complacency sets in the. Program SO i think
That's Ryan dage number, One and not.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
So much with the.
Speaker 8 (34:20):
Players he's replacing a bunch of. Players i'm talking about
the coaching. Staff i'm talking about everybody in that. Organization
is that you know enough of patent on the back
that one is ancient history that's over and that's going
to be the. Challenge AND i talked to many coaches
have won national. Titles is you know dealing with the
complacency that seeps into your program is the biggest.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Issue, yeah by the, way your Buddy, BELICHICK i said,
YESTERDAY i think they'll be. FINE i don't care About Jordan.
Hudson she does his social media, stuff but he does
have two of his sons on the staff and one
Of Mike lombardi's sons on the. Staff AND i, said
there's nothing against. That Pete carroll's son was on a,
(35:03):
staff and, Like i'm not anti, that BUT i do.
Wonder it does make me think a little bit when
you're building a. Staff bill. Doesn't bill doesn't understand that you,
got you, know seventeen, hours kids have. Class they're, younger less, mature.
Moodier IF i said to, You bill's going to have
(35:23):
one big challenge that's going to surprise. Him you've coached
both pro and. College not the stuff that's. Obvious but
IF i said there's one, Thing bill's going to call
you in week six and complain, about what is it
going to?
Speaker 8 (35:35):
BE i think the difference between AN nfl player that's
his job and a college. Kid, unfortunately sometimes they don't
look at it that way at. All you, know they
look at it as this is a means to an
end to get an.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Education And i'm, saying that's.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
Great you're asking me what The what the Issue Coach
BELICHICK i think will. Face he's the fact that there's
going to be players on the team that don't you
know that don't throw everything into it like you do
in THE. Nfl if you don't throw THE, nfl you get.
Cut in college, football you got to motivate and inspire these.
Guys it is what it is. Now you can make
a change after the. Season but him and his staff
(36:12):
were going to have to pull greatness out of people
that you know they're they just don't have the Same
it's not survival in college AND i think that'll be
his biggest.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Challenge Urban meyer getting any golf in.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
A bunch of, golf a bunch of travel grandkids doing.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Good that's good, life my. Friend how about. YOU i
had a terrible round of golf In Rhode. ISLAND i
don't want to talk about, it BUT i got new,
clubs so that's my. Excuse AND i didn't. DRINK i
was JUST i don't want to talk about it was.
TERRIBLE i COULDN'T i couldn't find the greens. Whatever you,
know it's new. Clubs that's the new. Clubs when they
GET i get that's, right WHEN i get those, grooves
(36:53):
they'll be. Fine as you look great. Calling oh so
do you? Coach good seeing You Urban. Meyer? Yeah it
is the, nil the transfer, portal all that. STUFF i
love college. FOOTBALL i can't wait to Watch Ohio state
arch MANNING Usc Notre. Dame you can make all these
changes and you can complain about. IT i love college.
(37:15):
Football i'm pouring over my, magazines flying and hanging out this.
Weekend i'm all fired. Up so did. YOU i don't
know people complain about all the. Changes never loved it,
more never look forward to a season more college football
PLAYOFF i thought was great last. Year indiana disappointed. ME
(37:35):
smu was what they. Were but The Ohio states and
The oregons and The tennessees and The texas And Notre
dames were great and it's only going to get. Better
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Thanks for making us part of your day. Jamac You
know I wear the pink shirt when I want what
I mean when I stand on business, and today I
am standing on business today, waiting on Okay, all right,
(00:50):
I hear you. I am ready to roll. So I
know peoplefuly done crazy in Pittsburgh when I suggest considering
moving off TJ. Watt, But I saw a story this morning. TJ. Watt,
great player. By the way, top plays through injury is productive.
He's not a Steelers mandatory mini camp. Mandatory mini camp
(01:12):
starts in the NFL today as when the veterans show up,
and so there's a handful of guys that are like,
I'm not going to show up. So he's not going
to show up. And you know why, because he knows
he owns Mike Tomlin, he owns the Steelers. He's going
to get whatever he wants. Everybody in Pittsburgh owns a TJ.
Watt Jersey. They don't want any backlash. The Rooney's small town,
they don't want any backlash. And he's going to get
(01:34):
whatever he wants. TJ. Watt. Right now, the Steelers lead
the NFL in defensive spending and that's pre TJ. Watt contract,
and he's going to get forty to forty seven million
large per year. Okay, you want to know the two
teams in the NFL going into this season with the
lowest defensive spending, the Eagles in the Rams, both in
(01:57):
the Super Bowl bubble. Yeah, Kansas City. Six of the
top seven contracts for Kansas City and they're well run
front office offense. Eagles eight for eight of their biggest
contracts offense. The Steelers all five big contracts, five biggest
(02:18):
all defense, and that's pre TJ Watt deal. He knows
he has them. Everybody in town owns a jersey. The
Roonies don't want backlash. Tomlin's a defensive guy. He's gonna
take them to the cleaners. To think about this. The
Steelers have a forty one year old quarterback who's like
partially committed on a sweet deal, and they're gonna back
(02:38):
up the brinstruck for TJ Watt. And this is not
a criticism of TJ Watt, but in four playoff games,
he's got one sack, no force fumbles, six tackles. That's
because when you get to the playoffs and the AFC
or the NFC, you face the best left tackles and
it's hard to get past those guys. That's why Michael
Parsons playoff stats, he disappears. He gets gobbled up. A
(03:00):
lot of TJ wats numbers been against that bad Bengals
O line, you know, or bad Cleveland O line. And
this is not anti TJ Watt. He's a hell of
a player. He's their best player. He's tough, he's physically
he plays through pain. Aer for four in the playoffs,
one sack. So I mean the Steelers and I've been
(03:22):
saying this. They're your buddy who's got a Rolex but
sleeps on a cheap mattress. Bro get your priorities in order.
Since twenty nineteen, you're twenty six, twenty eight, twenty ninth
in every offensive staff. But hey, you got a great
deal on the Aaron Rodgers contract, so you're looking for discounts.
At quarterback. You got a six round draft pick Mason
(03:43):
Rudolph again, forty one year old Aaron Rodgers. I mean,
nobody gets more out of less or less out of
more take your pick than the Steelers at quarterback. I
mean they but TJ. Watt knows we're gonna pay him,
so they have the number one defensive spending in the
league pre TJ. Watt. And I was looking at this
(04:03):
this morning. You think I'm the crazy person. Eight years
no playoff wins. The house is on fire, I bring
a fire extinguisher, and I'm the crazy person. I'm the
guy that's out of touch. You just keep clinging to
that Tjwatt Jersey in Pittsburgh. And again, he's a really
good player. His brother, older brother, was a great player.
That's not the question. The question is he's gonna get
(04:26):
forty five million bucks and he knows it everywhere he goes.
In Pittsburgh, there's a Tjwatt jersey and it translates to
nothing in the playoffs. I'm the crazy one. I saw
a headline this morning. I laughed. The Aaron Rodgers contract
is a major bargain for the Steelers. They never get
those on defense. The Hey they paid top dollar for
(04:49):
everybody on defense. And the Eagles eight biggest contracts eight
for eight all offense. And I've been saying this. You
want your defense, the Rams, the Chiefs, the Eagles. They
get this. You want offense to be experienced veterans. It's
the smart side of the You have to choreograph the offense.
I want an expensive veteran quarterback right. I want receivers
(05:11):
I can trust. I want a great left tackle. The
most underrated position in football is center. The Bears went
out and spent money on a center. The Eagles always
have great centers. The Chiefs have the best center. The
Ravens have the second best center. I want to spend
money on offense defense. I want him to be young, twitchy,
and cheap. Outside of one great pass rusher, all pay
(05:32):
for Hendrickson Max Crosby, and you say, well, what about
the Steelers problem with the Steelers would pay everybody. You're
paying safeties and linebackers, an interior defensive lineman. And I'm
the crazy one. Okay, sure, I'm just here with a
fire extinguisher. I don't know, eight years, no playoff wins.
I'm just suggesting something new. Of course, TJ Wat's going
to get everything he wants. Okay, So the second story
(05:54):
I saw, so I didn't like the firing of Tims.
I just didn't like it. I thought he built culture.
I think the Knicks issues are personnel and contracts. It's
not coaching. I don't think he's the most creative guy.
But there's a story this morning for Brian Windhorst, who's excellent,
and Brian windhors is saying, basically, the Knicks are interested
in Jason Kidd, and Jason Kidd is interested in the
(06:15):
New York Knicks, and I don't get it. There is
no way I'm leaving Dallas with Cooper flag arriving from Duke.
There is no way I'm leaving cashe a Nicks cash
cow Cooper flag Dallas. Forget the state tax thing, which
is obviously a huge benefit. But if you look at
(06:37):
Dallas's young talent, Cooper Flag's the best domestic player in
a decade plus. He's going to be twenty three points
next year. He's fantastic. And then Derek Lively another duke.
He's twenty one seven to one Rim protector for a
decade plus, he's twenty one years old. He's a kid.
So Cooper Flag is what eighteen nineteen unlimited. I got
(06:59):
Anthony Daydavis, who, in my opinion the last three years
have been the best defensive player in the league. He's
twenty four and eleven every night. Kyrie Irving were not
so sure, but you got PJ. Washington, you got Gaffer,
you got Max Christy. There's a lot to play with here.
I like the Knicks, but now Mikhale Bridges he wants
a new deal, and Brunson's got a big contract, and
(07:20):
SODA's kat and so does Mitchell Robinson and og got paid,
and I feel with the listen, I can like the
Knicks a lot, but I know what they are. I
get two things with Dallas that the New York Knicks
don't get. I get between the two teams, the best players,
Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis is better than Brunson. I'm sorry,
(07:42):
twenty four and eleven offensively unbelievable defensive player and rebounder
and shot blocker. Best player on the Mavericks or the
Knicks is Anthony Davis and the greatest trajectory by far
as Cooper Flag. The Knicks are guys that are expensive,
and we know what they are. They're good, but they
got a ceiling.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
They're limited.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I mean, Brunson's never going to be an elite defender,
Cats atrocious defensively on you know, most possessions. Robinson will
never be great offensively. Bridges plays every night that guys
have missed the game since seventh grade. But you know
what he is classic Villanova geist. He squeezes every out
of town edit. But I know what the Knicks are,
(08:24):
and what they are is getting really expensive. You don't
know what Derek Lively and Cooper Flagg are gonna be.
One could end up being the best young rim protector
in the league, and Cooper Flagg could be the best
player in the league. I'm not leaving that. There's no
way when you you cannot leave that kind of trajectory,
that there's no way I mean, I was, I was
(08:47):
watching something the other day. I was, I was watching
somebody talking about a young Michael Jordan, and this person
was like, oh, I knew he was going to be great,
but nobody knew he would be that. I mean, we
all knew Tiger Woods was going to be great, nobody
thought he would be that. I mean, we all knew
show Hey o Tani was special, we didn't know it
was gonna be that. That's what you're talking about with
(09:07):
Cooper Flagg. You could have a twenty eight point game.
He's like I said, he's Jason Tatum but aggressive. If
you took Jason Tatum's game and you said it's eight
percent better and it's more aggressive, you'd have the face
of the league. Cooper Flagg's got the aura, he's got Duke,
he's got the game. The only thing he doesn't have
is NBA experience. So again, you could have the cashe
(09:28):
I'll take the cash cow. Also, I mean, I understand
the East doesn't have as many good NBA general managers
as the West, so it's easier, but I mean Brunson
and Josh Hart and Robinson and Kat and Bridges, I
know there's a limitation right now, Cleveland'll be better next year.
(09:48):
Eventually Tatum comes back. Watch out. The Pacers may never
get worse over the next five years. I don't know
what I get with Derek Lively and Cooper Flagg. And
if I have the best rim protector and Derek Lively
seven to one, twenty one years old just getting better,
that that means Cooper Flagg doesn't have to worry the
Dallas Mavericks. Between Anthony Davis and Derek Lively and PJ. Washington,
(10:11):
they get all sorts of rem protectors. Translation, Cooper Flagg
can get out on the break. He can just say,
twelve feet from the hall giving the ball, I'm up
the floor leading the break. What a great And Jason
Kidd knows that kids one of the great point guard
talents of all time. And Cooper Flagg will not a
point guard, it's a you know, six' eight, wing but
he's an unbelievable transition. Player SO i would not take.
(10:35):
THAT i would not Leave. DALLAS i makes the argument
that now The laker fans have Seen luca's lack of
defensive commitment and lack of cardio, commitment had The Dallas
mavericks stayed healthy and not fallen apart. PHYSICALLY i think
they would have gone to The Western Conference. FINALS i
think their roster's, unbelievable whether or Without. Kyrie All, right J.
Mack we Got Albert breer last hour on some inside
(10:57):
stuff of The aaron. Contract Nick, Right Urban meyer as well,
well feeling it big night of, sleep Bro buddy feeling
taking the guys out tonight for a night on the. Town.
YEAH i Got ryan playing volleyball all day. Yesterday HE'S
i mean this this thing it is cooking out. Here
you didn't tell me. That, Wait, COLEY i did?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
You you joked That yanna should want to stay in The.
East but does it the same apply To jason. Kids
shouldn't he want to Go? East win with The. Knicks
let's be. Real even Though Kyrie irving may come back
in you, know The All.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Star, break we don't know what mats.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Are not top five in The. West next, year The
nicks open the season.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Top three in The. East, NO i totally. DISAGREE i
think A. D Cooper Flag Live. LEAGUE i think it's
an excellent. Team Max christy can even. PLAY i think
it's an excellent. Team, WOW i really. Do I'M i
am so high in The Dallas mavericks Top Miles. West,
absolutely no, QUESTION i absolutely no. Question just do this real.
Quick are they better THAN?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Okc?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
No are they better Than denver by next?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Year?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, Oh Jamal murray plays himself into. Shape denver's. Become
by the, way they don't Want porter, anymore they don't
want to Pay murray. Anymore they Love Gordon Yo kitchen
and nobody Else dallas's whole. ROSTER i, Like, okay are
they been in The? Lakers absolutely? Not, yes absolutely, yes?
Absolutely come, on really, no, NO i THINK i, AM i,
(12:20):
AM i. LISTEN i don't like their football. TEAM i
think The Dallas mavericks next, year healthy With Cooper, flag
are the real. DEAL i think he's going to be
so much better than people. THINK i trust a couple
of MY nba. Guys they think he's just going to
excel With Jason. KIDD i love he is going to
totally excel with that staff next.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Year, whoa, whoa that's gon Take ANDREY. Tj, watt what
a start to the.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Show you, know it's funny that when you suggest you
would think In pittsburgh with a high standard that eight
years of no playoff. Wins the suggestion that you may
want to scale back off guys in four playoff games
that don't that they, have you, know like one, sack
it would be or forty five. Million by the, way
HAVE i not been Trade Micah. PARSONS i mean, again
(13:05):
you can get there are certain positions in football that
are readily available from the draft every. Year wide. Receivers
there's a lot of pass. Rushers there's a lot of
six foot three guys that are two fifty and. Those
there's so many, big great. Athletes that's why there's so
many good pass. Rushers there's so many good tight. Ends
we live in a society with, big, strong, fast twitchy,
(13:26):
athletes and it's like a lot of them play tight end.
NOW i mean tight end now is basically it's a
wide receiver that blocks. Half these guys run four or
five fives at tight. End so to, me IT'S i don't.
KNOW i don't think it's crazy to suggest you have
the highest defensive spending in the league THREE. Tj watt
making forty five. Million you got to make some tough choices.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
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Speaker 1 (13:57):
App, Okay, so according to MARY A, cabot WHO I
trust covers The Cleveland, Browns Dylan gabriel got the first
set of eleven on eleven's working with the first team,
offense first team. Defense Shadoor sanders worked with a second
team offense and against the second team. Defense so we
have a piece of video From Chadeur. Sanders let's roll
(14:20):
the tape on. THIS i am told it looks a
little Like Johnny unitas Meets Joe. Montana look at that deep,
ball my, lord in a heavy gusty, wind it pierces
The ohio. Weather here's another one over the. Middle you,
know you know What i'm Sending Dylan gabriel. Video you're
just seeing lots Of. Chadur look at that second team
(14:44):
scrub wide receiver barely gets open and he places that
cookie right in the. JAR J, mack what do you
gotta say for? Yourself i'm just, saying you, KNOW i
had to look up that.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Cornerback it turns out he works At chipotle and he's
try to make The. Browns so that's who Schaduor sanders is,
okay secondary time?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Out are these? Now my staff just sent these? Numbers
are those? Todays? Stop, okay listen to, This, okay listen to,
This so take flaccol. Out he didn't he didn't. Play
Dylan gabriel went seven of. Eighteen Kenny pickett went six of,
ten which sums up his career. Six Shadure sanders ten of,
(15:28):
twelve two, touchdowns no. Picks he keeps putting these numbers
up AT ota and mandatory. Camp i'm, sorry but he's
exactly what he was in. College. Accurate Shadu sanders ten of,
twelve two. Touchdowns, now last week when he was, good
it was, like well It's OTA's i get, IT i get.
It but he was. Accurate so here The browns quarterbacks
(15:48):
mini camp. Today who's got the best numbers? Again Chaduere.
Sanders you need the. Context The chadure.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Is playing against backups and second, stringers And Dylan gabriel's
with the. Ones, AKAY i just need to remind PEOPLE
i would proach the door before the, draft and then
THE nfl basically rejected him all.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Of THE nfl and he fell to the fifth.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Round and because of That that's Why i'm, LIKE i
don't think he's a. STARTER i don't Dislike Shador, colin
but you have to admit the ENTIRE nfl passed on
him for a.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Reason, okay, well the ENTIRE nfl first round passed On Jalen.
Hurts they make, mistakes there are guys that have been.
DRAFTED i, MEAN i wouldn't get too caught up on
will they make. Mistakes there was his Dad's Super bowl
tour saying we're not playing for these, teams directed right
at the teams that we're gonna draft him and owners
(16:38):
in THE, nfl it's an all boys. Club they don't
want to hear that you don't want to play for their.
Team so there were people that just, SAID i mean
When Dion sanders During Super bowl week went on very
popular shows and the message was there are teams he
will not play. For he wasn't talking about The, Bills
ravens And chiefs And. Eagles he was talking about The
(16:58):
saints and The giants and the owners that would draft.
Him that's why did you notice this after The Super?
Bowl When, dion you, know had his sort of parade
through talk. Shows did you notice after That Super bowl
Week Media, week The jackson dart is the apple of
The New York's giants eye. Started why they're like because
(17:21):
probably ownership said we're not, interested we're Not we're not taking.
Him and also there's the report that he. Went you,
Know shador went to The giants wasn't great on the.
Board so my take, IS i think it got. PERSONAL
i think his dad was. INVOLVED i think there was
a lot of stuff With shador that turned people off
and owners started getting involved in decision. Making All i'm saying,
(17:45):
is if you look at These ota And mini camp,
Numbers Dylan gabriel's, Inaccurate Kenny pickett Is Kenny. Pickett flackell's
not doing much because it's his job to, lose And
Shador sanders continues to have the best. Numbers Here's Albert
breer on The browns quarterback.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Race it's really hard when you look at the early
part of their, schedule unless they're a lot better than
they were last, year for them to be coming out
of that in a real position of. Strength and SO
i do Think Joe flacco is likely going to be
The week one. Starter Joe flacker has been great in the,
Building he's been great for that quarterback. Room he's been
(18:23):
great for the young. QUARTERBACKS i think you'll Hear chaduor
And Dylan gabriel talk about him that way when the
media talks to them this. Week SO i Think joe's
going to get a. Shot AND i, think you, know
If joe looks good In july And, august you, know
then you'll see the team behind, him and then you
get Int, september and his ability to hold onto that
(18:44):
job won't just be about his own, Play it'll be
about where the team.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Is The browns probably fairly have the weakest receiving core
in the. League So shador's working with their second team.
Receivers their first team receivers are the weakest unit in the.
LEAGUE i, MEAN i don't think that's taken a. Shot
it's a bad receiving. Unit shador's getting the second he's
(19:08):
getting the, leftovers and he goes ten for. Twelve all,
Right SO i have a comp for, You. Colin are you?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Ready it was a gentleman Named Lonzo ball who was
an acclaimed college basketball player for a, minute then he
goes to the. Draft his dad was piping. Up do
you REMEMBER i had to look this up In Summer
league with The, Lakers Lonzo ball had a game where
he had thirty, six eleven and eight against The.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Sixers, oh he's the future of THE. Nba Lonzo bol's
gonna crush.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
It and he came out and was, like you, know
squashed like a bug as a, rookie and he clearly
could not. PLAY i wonder if there's a parallel with
This ota nonsense Where saedor's cooking And Lonzo ball in summer.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Camp all time most accurate college quarterback Was Shador sanders
with a seventy four percent completion. Rate chador's total stats
FROM OTAs in today's mini camp twenty six of thirty,
five seventy four percent completion, rate eight, touchdowns one. Pick
he is exactly as a PRO otn mini caamp what
(20:10):
he was the college player twenty six of thirty, five eight,
touchdowns one. Pick and it's not getting reps with the first. Team.
Okay All i'm saying is you can keep telling me.
SOMETHING i keep getting this video with these lasers piercing
the air In, ohio that muggy difficult air to throw.
(20:31):
In ALL i see is like it's like watching the
Movie Star wars.
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Podcasts Urban meyer now joining Us Fox sports college football.
ANALYST i got a bunch of. STUFF i want to
talk about big picture when small. Picture BUT i was
reading all my college football magazines and THE nil is one,
thing the transfer portals. Another So Brian kelly went heavy,
Portal Lincoln riley heavy, Portal Deon sanders heavy, Portal belichick heavy.
(22:14):
Portal you can buy, players you can't buy. Chemistry Ohio
state has bought elite. Players but for some, Reason Ryan
day has made it work where they've had an influx of.
Guys maybe they just get better. Guys But i'm watching
a lot of. THESE i Think lincoln can, COACH i
Think brian can. COACH i Think dion's been a good.
(22:36):
Coach how Is Ohio state use THE nil and it
worked for? Them it hasn't disrupted chemistry.
Speaker 8 (22:46):
You, know a lot of guys equated it to back
in the day When Kansas state was getting all those
junior college, players and most college coaches avoided that because
they didn't want to disrupt their.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Culture you look Up Mike.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
Norvel that might be the you, know the case study
for you take an undefeated, team take a bunch of,
transfers and they took some wrong. Guys quite, honestly you
watch them play from one year to the, other and
they're not even close to what it. Was where you
look At Ohio. STATE i Think Ohio state And i've
talked to Coach day about this And Mark. Pantoni THEIR
(23:17):
gm is that they have never been more cautious about
what they bring into that. Program first of, all you
don't need to change. Much they recruit on a. Level
they recruit on an incredible. Level so if you're going
to bring someone, in you, KNOW i FINALLY i got
there at a point a couple of times in my
career where do not take that? Person if that can
disrupt the, culture don't do. It and as a, result
(23:39):
we let some good players get away from. Us but
we're not going to change our. Culture so that's what they're.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Doing speaking Of big. Ten you Know James franklin very.
Well college football is going through massive. Change And i've said,
THIS i don't care if it's, tech IT'S. Ai it
always becomes the wild wild. Wife bitcoin will eventually settle,
down but when anything's, changing it's wild and you try
(24:06):
to get. Guardrails do you think college football has put
it enough guardrails when you talk to guys Like James
franklin or are they kind of terrified the, portal the
nil and where it's.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
GOING i just spoke To James franklin and we have
a great, relationship and the one THING i want to
hit is That i'm mesmerized by this whole the new
commission that's going to now enforce.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Rules AND i kind of lost it.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
On someone the other day on a podcast where they, said,
well finally we have rules and we have, guardrails And i'm,
like wait a. Minute for forty years we had to
take a test on a three to four inch rule.
Book we had to sign our name to saying that
we're in. Compliance it wasn't the fact that there weren't.
Rules they are rules for. Everything there is no comp
there was no. Enforcement THE ncaa could write a book
(24:55):
on how not to enforce and how not to. Investigate
and it was not their. Fault they had no subpoena
power and there is no it was. Toothless every time
they made the decision on a on infraction, case the
Litigated Tom. MARS i heard that. Name you Know Tom
mars is going to sue that and they. Lose so my, Understanding,
colin this is the game. Changer this new commission is
(25:17):
going to have subpoena power that will expediate the process of.
Investigation And i'm hoping that it also if once you're
investigated you don't tell the, truth you, know the punishment's
going to be ridiculous and it's not gonna be four
to five years after the. Fact and then they say
that the power four. Conferences this came from A big,
(25:39):
twelve big The big twelve. Commissioner we spoke to him as.
Well is that they're all going to have to sign
to be part of. This they're going to sign an
agreement that they're going to first follow the rules and
they're not going to. Litigate if this commission finds a big.
Guilty i'm skeptical because of forty years of watching it
and if that can, happen then you can officially say
(26:03):
that college football was in.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
COMPLIANCE i hope it.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Does here's my. QUESTION i can buy high school, players,
now what IS i? Mean what CAN'T i? Do IF
i can buy? Players what is really the death penalty
now for college football that a compliance guy comes in and, says, okay,
coward that is off. Limits what's off? Limits?
Speaker 8 (26:26):
Now, well everyone From Texas tech we had that coach
on our podcast the other, day From Texas tech To
Penn state To Ohio, State. Alabama they have a salary.
Cap it's twenty point five million. Dollars anything above that is.
Nil but that has to go Through deloitte and they
have To they can't give some outrageous number through that
(26:48):
collective or through the nil. Issues so once, Again i'm
skeptical as can. Be but if this isn't a, FACT
i love What i'm. Hearing that means that you cannot.
Go Ohio state's gonna have the same sober kapita As Texas.
Tech and then the nil on top of that is
going to be all scrutinized to turn into proper paperwork
(27:10):
and say we can't give that seventeen year old five
million dollars to go do a charity event and sign his.
Name you know that that's kind of stuff was going.
On and so if this is all True colin What
i've heard in the last three, Days i'm excited about,
it yet extremely.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Skeptical, OKAY i get a lot of pushback on. THIS
i did not grow up in a family of great.
Tradition And i've said, Before Lincoln riley's job is to
get to the, playoff And Lincoln riley's, like, TIMEOUT i
don't Get Washington state. ANYMORE i don't Get Oregon, STATE
i don't get COW i don't Get. ARIZONA i GET
(27:48):
i have to go To madison and Ann arbor And.
Columbus and the only teams that came to The pac,
twelve came to The big ten Were, Oregon washington and my.
Rival SO i don't get any cream. Pops So Lincoln,
RYLEY i don't know If Lincoln riley's spearheading, this but
people AT usc are, like so we want Another november
cold weather. Game, no we'll. Do we'll play You Notre
(28:12):
dame on a year to your, basis only In. September
we'll play In South bend and. Zev we're not playing
In november with The buckeyes coming. Up so my take
is this, idea oh college, Football Notre DAME. Usc the
highest rated game last year Was Georgia. Texas it was
a non rivalry. Game if you If I'M, usc why
(28:33):
DO i have to Play Notre dame? Two Notre dame
won't they won't join a. Conference it's on, them not on?
Me is it?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Not it?
Speaker 8 (28:41):
Is BUT i coached At Notre, dame AND i guess
There's i'm a sixty year old that's probably acted like
a seventy five year old BECAUSE i loved, it the,
PAGEANTRY i love the. Rivalries please don't take away that.
Game please don't move The Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Wolverine game the middle of the.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
Season you, know we saw what happen up and When
texas quit Playing TEXAS a AND. M i thought it was.
Awful maybe people did. It you KNOW byu should be Playing.
Utah SO i hope that doesn't go.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
AWAY i get.
Speaker 8 (29:08):
IT i understand you're But i'm also, saying If i'm
A Notre dame, Fan i'm writing a. Check you're PLAYING.
Usc If i'm A usc, fan you're Playing Notre day.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah Maybe Notre dame should consider joining a. Conference all
You golden domers out, there we don't need a. Conference
it's funny how you guys Just Notre dame just signed
a twelve year deal With, clemson and you know why
they did that because THE acc stinks and they need
one great game on their. Skit, no that's, true by.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
The, way absolutely.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Correct how much PRESSURE i saw the over under ON
usc seven and a half, games AND i think that's.
ACCURATE i think they're best players of. SAFETY i think
they're very very. YOUNG i think they're an eight win.
Team at some, point when's the hammer come? Down or
do you think this remains long? Term linking is? Fine
what if they go eight in? Five is that good? Enough?
Speaker 8 (30:00):
WELL i guess the Way i've always looked AT usc
IS i equate them To Ohio, State, Alabama, texas and you, Know.
FLORIDA i Just i've always looked AT usc as one
of the top five jobs In. America So i've got
a lot of respect For Lincoln, rilly AND i NEVER
i promised MYSELF i would never call for jobs Because
i'm not going to do. That, however when seven eight
(30:21):
wins is, ACCEPTED usc that's when you you, KNOW i don't.
KNOW i don't agree with. THAT i think you take
a five hour you take a five hour net and
drop it ON, usc and you see the best players
in the. Country SO i think this is the year the.
Recruiting here's a question ABOUT. Usc that have the number
one recruiting class in the country right?
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Now should they have that every?
Speaker 8 (30:40):
YEAR i, MEAN usc IS, usc AND i think they're
going to have a great, year AND i think not
after this, Conversation but eight and, five go eight and
five And Ohio state and see if that.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Happens oh, no it's a whole different. BALLGAME i want
to talk Arch manning for a, second BECAUSE i haven't
seen enough of, him BUT i SEE i like he's
put on, weight he. Moves, well if you knew you
Had Arch manning and you knew the speculative, nature here
comes the. MEDIA i remember when you were At florida
(31:13):
you could you could kind of fend off the. Media
those days are. Over kids have their social. Media you can't.
That there's too many, platforms there's too many media. People
there's drones. Everywhere what do you do if you're? Sarked
do you just sort of, say if you're, Sarked, hey
he's A. Manning he'll be able to handle. It ARCH
i don't, remember Maybe. TEBOW i don't remember a college
(31:33):
quarterback that was more anticipated to play in twenty, years
maybe T bow Than Arch. Manning how did you Coach
tebow going into his last year At florida knowing the
onslaught of media and. Expectations, well quick history.
Speaker 8 (31:49):
Lesson tebow won The Heisman trophy of sophomore, year won
The national champions junior, year and he was the golden.
Child and then all of a sudden people turned on.
Him you, know he's not AN nfl. Quarterback he's throwing
motions all this and that we'd win by two scores
Against tennessee and that was. Enough TVO's not playing, well
AND i saw that the media and the people kind
of turned not not The gator, nation but the country
(32:13):
kind of turned on a little. BIT i couldn't understand,
that you, know whether it was they criticized his religion or.
Whatever but my answer would be you embrace. IT i,
Mean Arch fanning is there for a. Reason it's not
because of his last. Name because if he was a
bad quarterback and he had that last, name and then
he wouldn't be getting. It he's potentially a great, quarterback embrace.
It that's life in the big, city and you're gonna
(32:35):
get scrutinized and you can give far too much credit
for when the team plays. Well SO i Think Sark
sarks the perfect guy for. Him sarks been in. It
he's a quarterback guy's he played quarterback, himself and he's
coached At, alabama so he's got the.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Arch has got the perfect coach to handle those.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Expectations, okay finally back To Ohio. State they've never won
back to back titles and a lot of it is
just the reality of that, program right like it's it's
and now they've got they've got A michigan, issue ALTHOUGH
i think they'll overcome it this. Year they have to
REPLACE i, MEAN i think sixteen, starters so it's. Now
(33:12):
they have the two best players in the country in my,
Opinion Caleb downs And, smith so that's a great starting.
Block and it Is Ohio, state and they're recruited at
an amazing. Level AND i think they won a national
title yet last year without a great old, line which
is hard to. Do SO i think they'll be better up?
Front what is your number one concern? Though For Ryan,
day no back to back natties ever At Ohio. State
(33:35):
what is the messaging you think to a team last
year that pulverized people in the, playoffs Humiliated, tennessee what's the?
Speaker 8 (33:43):
Messaging, well it all starts through the quarterback and they
got a new one and they Have sane And Klin,
holtsen you, have you, know but that position's got to
get good and get.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Good fast as they open With.
Speaker 8 (33:54):
Texas the biggest ISSUE i think is when a team
wins a national, championship everything.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Changes To Joe madden in.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
Twenty, sixteen he just came off win in A World
series AND i Went solomon at The Chicago cubs when
he was the manager of The, cubs and he was
miserable and he, said how hard it is to you,
know have back to. Back it doesn't happen very. Often
why because complacency sets in the. Program SO i think
That's Ryan dage number, One and not.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
So much with the.
Speaker 8 (34:20):
Players he's replacing a bunch of. Players i'm talking about
the coaching. Staff i'm talking about everybody in that. Organization
is that you know enough of patent on the back
that one is ancient history that's over and that's going
to be the. Challenge AND i talked to many coaches
have won national. Titles is you know dealing with the
complacency that seeps into your program is the biggest.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Issue, yeah by the, way your Buddy, BELICHICK i said,
YESTERDAY i think they'll be. FINE i don't care About Jordan.
Hudson she does his social media, stuff but he does
have two of his sons on the staff and one
Of Mike lombardi's sons on the. Staff AND i, said
there's nothing against. That Pete carroll's son was on a,
(35:03):
staff and, Like i'm not anti, that BUT i do.
Wonder it does make me think a little bit when
you're building a. Staff bill. Doesn't bill doesn't understand that you,
got you, know seventeen, hours kids have. Class they're, younger less, mature.
Moodier IF i said to, You bill's going to have
(35:23):
one big challenge that's going to surprise. Him you've coached
both pro and. College not the stuff that's. Obvious but
IF i said there's one, Thing bill's going to call
you in week six and complain, about what is it
going to?
Speaker 8 (35:35):
BE i think the difference between AN nfl player that's
his job and a college. Kid, unfortunately sometimes they don't
look at it that way at. All you, know they
look at it as this is a means to an
end to get an.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Education And i'm, saying that's.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
Great you're asking me what The what the Issue Coach
BELICHICK i think will. Face he's the fact that there's
going to be players on the team that don't you
know that don't throw everything into it like you do
in THE. Nfl if you don't throw THE, nfl you get.
Cut in college, football you got to motivate and inspire these.
Guys it is what it is. Now you can make
a change after the. Season but him and his staff
(36:12):
were going to have to pull greatness out of people
that you know they're they just don't have the Same
it's not survival in college AND i think that'll be
his biggest.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Challenge Urban meyer getting any golf in.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
A bunch of, golf a bunch of travel grandkids doing.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Good that's good, life my. Friend how about. YOU i
had a terrible round of golf In Rhode. ISLAND i
don't want to talk about, it BUT i got new,
clubs so that's my. Excuse AND i didn't. DRINK i
was JUST i don't want to talk about it was.
TERRIBLE i COULDN'T i couldn't find the greens. Whatever you,
know it's new. Clubs that's the new. Clubs when they
GET i get that's, right WHEN i get those, grooves
(36:53):
they'll be. Fine as you look great. Calling oh so
do you? Coach good seeing You Urban. Meyer? Yeah it
is the, nil the transfer, portal all that. STUFF i
love college. FOOTBALL i can't wait to Watch Ohio state
arch MANNING Usc Notre. Dame you can make all these
changes and you can complain about. IT i love college.
(37:15):
Football i'm pouring over my, magazines flying and hanging out this.
Weekend i'm all fired. Up so did. YOU i don't
know people complain about all the. Changes never loved it,
more never look forward to a season more college football
PLAYOFF i thought was great last. Year indiana disappointed. ME
(37:35):
smu was what they. Were but The Ohio states and
The oregons and The tennessees and The texas And Notre
dames were great and it's only going to get. Better
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