June 19, 2025 • 48 mins
Colin reacts to the Los Angeles Lakers selling to Mark Walter and why the Lakers now being owned by the same group as the Dodgers is great news for fans of the purple & gold. He changes his tune on Shedeur Sanders after he was cited for driving over 100 MPH and why decision making is key for all franchise quarterbacks in the NFL. Plus, author and journalist Christine Brennan joins the show to talk about her new book On Her Game: Caitlin Clark and the Revolution in Women's Sports to highlight the impact Clark has had on the WNBA and why the league should be doing more to capitalize on her popularity.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
Oh, it is a Thursday. We have so much to
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening,
Thanks for making us part of your day. We got
aj Perzinski talking about the Padres Dodgers rivalry, which is intense.
Albert Breer. Christine Brennan has got a new book out.
I started it last night, really interesting.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
On Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Christine Brennan's been very very critical of the WNBA and
I think deservedly sells.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
So we got a lot on the Danta today Jmac.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
But yesterday after the show, there was a and we
don't normally talk a ton about this, but there was
a sale. It wasn't long ago the Celtics sold for
six billion. LA is a much bigger market. They sold
for ten billion dollars yesterday, and nobody eat. Laker fans
aren't quite sure how to react. And I'm here to
tell you it is a great day to be a
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Laker fan. So the group that bought the Lakers already
owned a part of them, Mark Walter Group, really shrewd
la resident. All you have to do to wonder what's
gonna happen to the Lakers is look at the Dodgers
scouting research and development facilities. Patients A plus plus plus
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plus sharp dude, don't know him, No people that do.
They spend more money than any one, but they are
very judicious. They rarely miss. The Lakers have been a
mom and pop shop for years. It's Jeanie Buss and
friends of the family. That's cute. But this is twenty
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twenty five and it's pro sports. The organization needs more juice,
more financing, more eyes, new eyes, and this is what
they have. They're going officially from dial up to fiber optic.
Yesterday was a great day to be a Laker fan.
Now the reports are well, Genie Buss will still be
the governor. She will still be in the front office. Yeah,
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and That's what Mark Cuban told us when he sold
the MAVs, and then he didn't know about the Luca trade.
That's sort of a big deal. She's not going to
have any power now. I think she's done great in operations.
She's beloving Los Angeles, a really cool person. Having her
around the organization is awesome.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But this is a whole.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Different Bullget When you spend ten billion dollars to buy something,
you're going to have the final say.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
And that's what the Lakers need.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
This Dodger group, I'm telling you, man, they update and
upgrade constantly. They don't get money away. They could have
had Manny Machado. Nope, Corey Bellinger MVP, Corey Seeger. They'll
move off people. Since Mark Walter and his group have arrived.
Here's the reality. The Dodgers are first or tied for first,
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and wins pennants titles, world series titles. And I hear
this stuff. I hear all the fearmongers. Colin just another
oligarc another billionaire that doesn't care about the team. You
want to know the worst owners in my life, Ted Stepien,
look it up, Donald Sterling, Marg Shott. None of them
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were venture capitalists. None of them, like Mark Walter, were
global asset managers, small thinkers, bad people.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Not this group.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
When you watch the Dodgers, man, they don't miss it's impressive.
By the way, a lot of teams spend money. Yankees
spend a lot of money. They're top heavy. Dodgers never
are so. Even the way they finance stuff, deferred payments,
They're always a step ahead. They go and get the
very best people. When they took the Dodgers over, Andrew
Friedman was the hot shot GM in Tampa.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
They went and got him.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
They were working on that Otawi deal three years when
he was an angel. Three years out they started working
on that deal. I would not be surprised if they
doubled the r indeed doubled the scouting department. The Lakers
have too many friends and family. I'm looking for a meritocracy,
not a barbecue. This is a great day. Don't be
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afraid of something that's been in the building for years now.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
They own all of it. Okay, I think the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
The Bus family owned fifteen percent for a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
The media does something from time to time and it
it kind of rubs me the wrong way they pander,
and I get it. Athletes are young. I've said this
before about the NBA. I'm not going to beat up
on young NBA players making mistakes. They come into the
league at eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old, okay, But the
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NFL is different. You come into the NFL at twenty two,
twenty three. Now some guys are staying in college for
and I'm el money maybe twenty five. And at the
quarterback position, I am harsh and punitives. The media again
tends to pand or too often. I warn Cleveland about
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Johnny Manziel. Colin, you're overreacting. Uncle Colin was right. I
warned you that Baker was good but too immature. I
was right on that too, and Stefanski eventually showed him
the door. Baker now has grown up. I like this Baker,
but I was right, and I was right about Deshaan
Watson creepy, cringey.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
That's not a lead at that position.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
So yesterday Shador Sanders got caught speeding over one hundred
miles an hour.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
He's a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Mike Tomlin often says two is a trend. Can't screw
up three or four times. Two is a trend just
two times. I'm not sure if I need two times.
When you're a young quarterback, one bad judgment turns me off.
But I have now in the last couple of months
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two things that really turned me off. Wi Shidor Sanders,
who I have championed that cringey awful legendary draft room. Bro,
you're a b prospect. You know your dad's prime time
who led with his ego for years. You gotta have
a little self awareness. I had more than one GM
say total turnoff. Come on, it's not the end of
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the world. It's a bad look. And now this one
hundred miles an hour. Yep, all you fanboys, go ahead.
Manzill Baker, Deshaun Watson defended it to the hilt on
your Reddit account. Sorry, don't minimize it, don't pander. This
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is not good for a quarterback, not good as of today.
And I've said this for years. I do not cling
to opinions, new information, new opinion. I'm an airline pilot.
We got a storm coming, here's the latest radar. I'm
changing my route, not flying headfirst into it. I don't
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think about him the same. There was a moment I
thought Will Levis about four months out from the draft,
had a chance, and I turned on Will Levis when
he started showing up like a bodybuilder gun show.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
And I had two.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
NFL coaches, both needing quarterbacks, who text me, got my
number and text me. They're like, this is the exact
conversation we are having in our building right now. Two
NFL coaches, head coaches. They're like, bro, we're laughing watching this.
It matters, new information, legendary one hundred miles an hour
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judgment is fifty percent of being a quarterback when you
fall to one forty four in the draft and then
try to match that number behind the wheel of a car. Yeah,
I don't think the same. You ignored signs with Manzielle
and Baker, and apparently, based on the traffic violation, Shador
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was avoiding some signs too, the ones that say stop.
I feel differently today. I'm not as high on him.
I'm not sure he's mature enough.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Now. I'm gonna have to like Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
J Mac Oh boy, I'm laughing at Kenny pick It
not obviously the Shador situation, but calling it. It's an
interesting one to eighty from you, my guy going from hey,
put him in the Hall of Thing because of seven
on seven drills in June. And now it's like, well
he was going forty one over the limit.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Let's say, you know me, you and I are similar
this way new information, new opinion. And I said I
did not like the legendary draft room. It was cringey.
It's not the end of the world. But people reached out.
You add these two together, all you have to do
Cleveland Manzell Baker, I kept saying, Baker did to It
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wasn't the end of the world. But it's something. It's
a lack of self awareness.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
It's like your shirt off posing with a tiger. It's like, bro,
how about you play game like one before you go
super model on us. But in the end, Stefanskiing and
Andrew Berry, two smart guys, were like, yeah, we just
he's putting he's starting too many fires not putting them out.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
It's something yeah, interesting, So Dylan Gabriel QB one No,
in all seriousness, though, arding shod or like a speeding tickets.
Not the end of the world, not the end after
midnight sounds like it was a nice new vehicle. He's
got probably a V eight, A lot of power. I
guess my question Colin is like, have you ever worked
with someone who you knew was on thin ice? And
you're like, man, they're looking for a reason.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
To get rid of that guy.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
He better not screw up, and.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
He makes one misstep and he's gone, Hey, have you
ever worked with somebody in that realm?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Listen, when you fall to the fifth round and are
perceived as a first round quarterback, you are on thin ice.
And when there's a perception that the owner wanted you drafted,
not the GM, you were on perilously thin ice. They're
not letting him practice with the ones Dylan Gabriel is.
You're on even thinner ice. You can't get in trouble.
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You can't get in trouble. This is not good. Do
not minimize. I can assure you this. Andrew Berry and
Kevin Stefanski didn't go this.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Is super duper well. They rolled.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
They probably were, you know, kind of we're looking at
the owner like, see, I told you, But again, this
is just a s meeting ticket. I'm gonna remind you
Dak Prescott had an incident before the draft. Do you
remember not great I had an incident and people were
like oh, how can you do that before the draft? Like,
where's the awareness?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
But but Dak Prescott, if you went back to and
I said, this the Dak Prescott stuff I talked about
on this show, and and you know he did drop
to the fourth round. Yeah for being a very good
college quarterback. But Dak Prescott from that moment on has
been one of the best leaders yet period at any.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Position in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I'm saying it's not the end of the world, but
when you used to and there by the way, there
were four or five incidents. I saw one piece of
video against Nebraska where Chedeurs did some stuff on the
field I didn't love, Like, like there's there by the way,
there are people on the internet that will find you
four five and six pieces of video in college where
he was a little into Shedeur Sanders not the greatest
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teammate right again, and I stayed away from that. But
when I watched, when I watched the legendary draft room,
I'm like, oh, dude, a little again, if he's a cornerback.
You know my rule on this, I look at point
guards and quarterbacks differently. I'm now, I look at it
now and I'm just this maybe the last Sor Sanders segment.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I do no, yeah, yeah, I think it.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Is over a speeding ticket.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Colin, again, you're not listening. It's not a speeding ticket.
It's multiple incidents in college. It's the draft room, just
like just like you know, broadcasters, if your showed up
and get ratings, you're on thin eye.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
You overlooked all of that during the OTAs when he
was crushing.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
No, no, I didn't. I talked about it every day
that it was amazing. I've never overlooked a thing. I've
always gone over the top positive. J Mac. Let me
give you some guidance. It an old guy, okay, very
few people in important positions. You're judged every day. I'm
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judged by management at my company, and they like me
every day. Doesn't take many screw ups. Narratives change, and
that's after success. I mean, look at think how great
Brady was. Belichick was drafting quarterbacks every other year. Just
in case Garoppolo second round. They couldn't have used another receiver.
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If you don't think management's talking about I had a
great agent years ago. I had an agent I brought
him up yesterday named Nick con Nick. Con the greatest
advice I ever got, he said. Companies make a decision
a year before they tell you.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I now own a company.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I make decisions six months before I tell anybody. You
think upstairs in the building, they're just like, it's just
you know, his foot got stuck on the gat.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
It's not the way it worked.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
If this is so weird. In you were a big
Shador guy, I was kind of anti they like Dylan Gabriel.
Now this and I've I find myself I kind of
want to defend Shador a little bit. But it's it's
not indefensible.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
By the way you. Let's say that.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Let's let's not take you or I. Somebody's watching or
listening my show, Love your wife, great kids, supportive, got
your back. You walk in, she's with a mailman. What
does it not change everything? I mean, it's not the
end of the world. She's not an axe murderer. Infidelity
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in an instant changes everything, and it's not the end
of the world. It happens all the time in relationships.
It's something not appropriate.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Go ahead, how does he overcome this?
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Again, it's it's not a great look. I don't think
it's the end of the world.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
You know, say it was for me. I didn't says
that for me. It's different. Now it's different. Sorry, I'm out.
Good luck fifth round guy. You know what, I'm gonna
go to a Reddit board under CC and start posting
some Dylan Gabriel's demand.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Get on board the hype trade, baby, Dylan Gabriel, Here
he comes.
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None of the ball.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
A report that Lebron James is quote comfortable with the
sale of the Lakers. He's forty, He's played twenty two seasons.
And and I'll say this about the new ownership group
of the Lakers, it's the ownership group of the Dodgers.
That ownership group and the front office moved off Cody Bellinger,
National League MVP, Corey Seeger A World Series MVP Max Suurser.
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They knew Manny Machado was going to go to the
Podreys their arrival. All right, Sea, they could have paid
for all of them. They'll move off Stars. If Luca
doesn't stay in shape, if Luca doesn't defend at a
higher level, they'll sign him to the Summer Max. He'll
get his two hundred and twenty eight million. They'll move Offen.
They will move Offen. Kobe Bryant, in my opinion, had
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too much control the last four or five years, and
Lebron in the last two or three, to me, has
too much control. He's the ecosystem of the offense. And
Doctor Buss loved family and friends and understood stars. There's
nothing wrong with that. But I think the Lakers, the Cowboys,
the Bengals have been run like mom and pop shops.
Too many friends and family not interested. I want the
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best person, not the best last name. That's what I'm
looking for. So the Dodgers with this group have moved
off MVPs, not just MVPs World series. MVPs in their twenties, thirties,
young thirties, mid twenties don't move off guys.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
They don't care.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
They prioritize winning. And the Bus family, to their credit,
has always understood the value of stars.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
They've been very good about that.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
You can go, you can go, You know, Kareem the
Bus family didn't have but Magic Johnson. You know they
understood it. Shaq Kobe, they get it, lebron A d
they get it. Okay, but you got to get the
right stars. When the Yankees signed John Carlos Stanton when
they've already got Aaron Judge in the building, duplication, you
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got injuries with John Carlos Stanton. That's not a smart move,
that's just bad money. He struggled with his health. He's
never really been as good as you think. And you
had a duplicate player who's better in the building, a
power hitter. So to me that it's not just money.
They will hold Luca accountable. And by the way, the
second richest ownership group in the NBA right now is
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the Dallas Mavericks. And Day said, well, the max he
could make with the Mavericks is much greater than the
max with the Lakers. And they said, no, no, no,
he's getting hurt, he's not in shape, he won't defend.
He didn't do Walter Group, and they got a lot
more sports property's in a lot more experience. If Luca
doesn't get in shape, and I don't want to see
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another video of leg presses. He's a pro athlete. I
do leg presses. I'm in radio and television. I do
leg presses twice a week. I don't want to see
that video. I want to see the results, and I
want to see defense. All the great Laker players in
my lifetime, Jerry West, elite defender, Kareem elite defender, Lebron elite,
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Kobe in his prime, Shack in his prime, Gasol would
defend Anthony Davis, great defend, underrated defender, maybe the best
defender in the league the last two years, Luca, come on,
gotta do better. Gotta do better, all right, I mean
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Kobe has as many all defensive selections. The staff just
sent this as Kevin Garnett. I mean, Kobe was took
great pride in it, and you didn't have to send
me videos of you know, Lebron James doing leg presses
or or Jerry West pre TikToker pre ig. He was
doing leg presses. Okay, I don't need to see that video. Look,
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he's doing sit ups on an off day. Not interested
watch the games. Let me see results. Jmack with the news, No, no.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Sorry, get that out of my throat there, all right,
let's get started. Game six tonight in the NBA Finals.
Feels like it's over Tyrese Haliburton. They're calling him a
game time decision. He did take part in yesterday's practic,
which was a film session and a walkthrough with light shooting.
If you're watching there on FS one, you could see
the calf kind of tighten up when he went down
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there in uh in the last game, Colin, it sounds
like Caliburton will not play here. He is talking about
his status.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
You have to understand the risks. That's directions. But I'm
a competitor. I want to play. I'm gonna do everything
in my power to play, and uh, that's just what
it is. I'm questionable from time to time throughout the
course of the season, and they trust me to make
the right decision on my body when the power is
in my hands, and you know, I'm gonna try my
best to uh to do that. But I mean, you understand,
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I want to be out there, and you know that's
the plan.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
It's unclear, Colin, if he was doing any running at practice.
It sounds like there was some shooting.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
One thirteen one oh six.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Okay, see, yeah, I don't hate that lower scoring.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I got the where they can win it.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
This is weird, Colin. I know it's NBA Finals. To me,
this is your third best option on TV tonight. USA
Soccer is number one. Obviously, it's a massive.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yes, USA Satar here.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
That's top game and you know we can't lose that game.
Second is gonna be Caitlin Cork, which we'll talk about
here sortainly. But for me, I don't have a lot
of people saying, hey, Jay, any shot the Pacers come back.
I want tons of text chains. People are not.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
If Halla Burton was healthy, the series would have some
juice his inactivity or marginal playing.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
They're not beating this team two times without him. This
team is so good at ball pressure on the perimeter
that literally the only way to beat them is with
ball handling and ball movement. And the best guy arguably
in the playoffs has been Halla Burton at that.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
So it's it's not gonna work.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, it feels over all.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Right, Let's go to the next roy, which is the WNBA. Listen,
I know you don't agree with this, but the WNBA
has announced no oh suspensions following the fever sun What
are we calling it? A melee, a kerfuffle, A lot
of flagrant fowls, multiple ejections, and I poked there. Caitlin
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Clark got decked. I don't love this, Colin.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I'll tell you why.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
I sayd I think you gotta said notice, you can't
just rough people up like this.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, I don't like this. There's a lot of smart
people out there whose opinion I read or trust that
are like, hey, it's got to be a gotta be
a suspension for that. It's got to be just beyond
a flagrant or a technical foul, and that's a legit
you we can argue both sides, but I think there's
a legitimate argument for messaging. We're gonna suspend it for that.
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It may not be long two game suspension, but I
think you can argue reasonably that it deserves a suspension.
And I wouldn't push back, you know, not everything I'm
definitive of on There are things that I'm like, Yeah,
either side's fine, and I think in this if you
think there should be a suspension, I'm good with that.
You can argue that.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
So here's the other layer to this. So tonight the
Fever play the expansion team, the Golden State Valkyrie. I
don't know. I don't know. I don't follow their team
or any of that, but I read about a gambling
guy does a write up and he's been following this
Golden State team. The number one thing they do is
physical defense. They get in your face listen. And the
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league announced it based Oh, no suspensions. It's fine this
expect this team to go hard at Caitlyn Clark tonight.
I'm just putting it out there. I'm not saying there's
gonna be a fight or anything, but they play physical
brand of basketball. Kitlin Clark better get her enforcers because
this is gonna be a theme. And I'm excited for
the Christine Brennan interview later. I got the book as well.
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I'm very pro Kitlyn Clark. You know that Colin. I
am worried that she's going to become a target in
this league. People are jealous. Oh, she's our show poet,
she's carrying the league. Well, well I'm going to show her.
I don't like some of this stuff that's whirling out there.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I got that, and it makes me want to watch
the game. This game has more juice than the NBA Finals,
no question, no question.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Now, Lion final story is to Major League Baseball. Last
night had some drama, Dodgers padres, great rivalry.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Let's set the scene. In the ninth inning, Will Smith
steps up as a pinch hitter.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Smith, who's is the fly ball? Right center field? Tatis
on the round at the Wontie track.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Hit the walk.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
It is gone. It's gone.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Hey, this game is over.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
They celebrate in front of the play Oh walk up,
home run crew, Will Smith. The Dodgers went in the
ninth four to three. I actually thought it was initially caught.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
How did not cut that?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I'm getting I mean, for a second, this rivalry is
so good. They have played now twenty four times in
the last two years, thirteen Dodger wins. I think it's
thirteen to eleven, and this was a go either way
a game. This is There are so many right players
in this rivalry. It is insane how much talent these
two teams. We saw these teams play last year and
I remember if they played the playoff game and the
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Dodgers I remember went with a bullpen game and had
did they shut them? Out or they had an incredible
I remember being just shocked because I thought the momentum
had swung in the Podreys favor. So the Dodgers just
have a way of always winning the big games in
this series. But it's a it is a star studded
seven eight, nine elite players in this series minimum.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Yeah, Dodgers down five and one against the Padres this season,
kind of dominant. Colin. I know you don't want to
be hyping La, but between this Dodgers team that just
won the World Series, probably going back, Lakers new ownership
that's gonna spend to build around Luca. You got LAFCS
as a beast out here inside.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Why wouldn't I want you to HiPE La. I'm flying
their Sunday morn there.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
I know the city awaits your arrival. By the way,
the Rams, I can't think, according to you are going
to the super Bowl. The Chargers and Jim Harball like
everything's coming up.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
We've said this outside of USC all the big brands
in Los Angeles. I mean, you say what you want
about the Lakers, but they're not I mean they're making
the playoffs. The West is very hard.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
The third scene in the West not just making No,
it's right now.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Los Angeles has really really good ownership. The Dodgers, the
new Laker ownership, Steve Ballmer They've got and they've got
really good ownership, and a lot of cities don't. Stan
Kronkey obviously, Spano's family has done a good job. Harbaugh
and Justin Herbert and two great offensive tackles. They're spending
big money now. So a lot of this stuff is
(26:40):
how good are your local owners. LA's got really good
owners and really shrewd front offices.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Are at bottom.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
The New York teams, the Jets owners one of the
worst in the league. Mara stepped in it recently, James
Dolan firing Thibodeau. By the way, I read this long
mixed piece last night. Oh my gosh, Nick situation is terrible.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Right now, I think we read the same piece.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I don't know if we'll talk about it later maybe
you know, but h.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
New York, New York Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
So again.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Uh, the Caitlin's Clark stuff is fascinating. And I've said
this before. You can tell me you respect somebody, But
you respect somebody. I don't want lipstopers. How do you
treat them? Do you treat them as an equal? And
I've said from the very beginning with the WNBA, if
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you want to respect them, then judge them like men.
They're great, talented, competitive, intense athletes. Stop pandering, put the
palm palms down, take down the protective shield. Caitlin Clark
is tough. She got a lot of Larry Bird. She
is feisty. So there there's a video that made the internet.
(28:02):
It was yesterday and you could read what Caitlin Clark
was saying, right, and she got a little blowback on
that because at one point she said, hey, I can.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Do what I want.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And everybody took that poorly. They're like, look, I read
an article this morning. She's telling J. C. Sheldon, the NBA,
the WNBA has got her back.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
No, she's not. That's not what she's saying.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
She's saying, like Larry Bird did when somebody got into
his face. Okay, who's planned for second place in the
three point shooting contest. I'm gonna do whatever I want.
Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, Shack, I'm gonna do whatever I
want that didn't mean the WNBA or the NBA has
the athletes back. Folks, if you could have had this
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same internet lip breeding quality with MJ and Bird. I
saw MJ and Bird after their retirement. It was a
few years ago. They met at a game in the
tunnel and they greeted each other with smiles and mfs.
That's how they talked, and that is how athletes talk.
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Cocky and confident is the language of competition. Wall Street,
Silicon Valley, Premier League, NFL, NBA guys drop f bombs
at each other and golf the next week at each
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other's charity.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
That's Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Stop treating this differently than you would treat a male athlete.
If you could read lips with those players, don't treat
them differently.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
And I said this yesterday.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I have never been a huge WNBA fan, but I've
gone to games and I followed it. The quality of
play over the last ten years. Go look at the
stats and the analytics. Bigger, stronger, faster, jump better. It'll
never be a vertical league like the NBA. But this
whole thing, well, you know what she's said. I see
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these articles. She's saying Hey, the WNBA, I can do
what I want. I would argue the opposite is true.
The WNBA mangled her first year, gave her a tougher
schedule to start the season. WNBA, we'd argue, doesn't have
her back enough. Christine Brennan on the show. That's where
she's arguing. What she's doing is cocky and confident and
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self assured. And it's great. It's great for Caitlin, it's
great for basketball players. You'll see college kids doing it soccer, UFC.
Swearing confidence over the top is the That is the
language of competition, from Silicon Valley to Wall Street venture Capital.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
And the WNBA.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
And I'm here for it. Aj Perzinski. By the way,
here's Kitlyn Clark. She is a trash talker, much more
than I thought. But you're hearing it and reading it now.
Here's Caitlin Clark on her trash talking.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
Everybody knows that's how I play, Like I want the
crowd behind me, like they love when I get into
it with them too, Like they're here for a show,
and like that's what I try to give them every
single night. That's why we try to give them every
single night. And that's what makes it fun. This place
is basically full, and there's so many young girls and
young boys and adults and older men that you know
this might be their first WNBA game ever, and like
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you want to perform for them.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
You go, Dodgers, Padres, Albert Breer. We're just starting and
Aaron Rodgers is talking to somebody at FS one.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
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Speaker 3 (31:54):
Well.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
She's written seven the best selling author seven different books.
Her sportsbooks Inside Edge is considered one of the one
hundred best sports books ever written. Sixteen of the last
winter and Summer Olympics, She's been to all of them.
Award winning national author and Christine Brennan now is joining us.
She has a new book. I just started reading it
last night on her game, Caitlin Clark in The Revolution
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in Women's Sports. You've covered a lot of women's basketball.
That book is available in July, early July. And again
I just got a sneak peak last night and started
diving into it.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
So I was pretty critical and you have as well.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
With a WNBA, I mean, when they opened up with
New York and Connecticut. I'm like, people, give this lady
a break. This is rough, but I will be honest.
I thought she would be a star. Can I defend
the WNBA last year and say, hey, they didn't know
she was going to become Tiger Woods with merchandise? Could
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I defend the WNBA or did they just Christine?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Did they?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Did? They just kind of butcher her first year?
Speaker 8 (32:56):
You know, Colin, I think there were signs of what
was coming, and I think those signs were missed when
you look at as so many of us.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Did, watching her, you know, from home, right, and watching.
Speaker 8 (33:08):
That junior year start to develop, obviously going to the
Final four, taking an IOWA team that no one predicted
would go that far, then to the final game losing
of course to LSU. The logo threes, the forty one
point games, the triple doubles.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
Just you know, really the high wire act.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
Right, It's Caitlin Clark is a basketball player, for sure,
but she's really an entertainer and that was clear, I
think to many of us. And then the senior year
where you've got people lined up in eighteen nineteen, twenty
thousand arenas seed arenas in you know.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
At Maryland and Ohio.
Speaker 8 (33:41):
State and in the in January, you know, for hours
waiting to.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Get in to see her play.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
She's barnstorming right around the country, or at least around
the good chunk of it. I think the signs were
there that this was a huge deal.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
And as I.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
Report in the book and talk about this issue, and
I do have a lot on this topic, the look,
you know, I think that there was probably a thought
within the WNBA, which I've really covered from the get go,
that could.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
This be possible?
Speaker 8 (34:09):
You know, the WNBA was basically ignored by the male
dominated mainstream sports media for years, and you know that's
that's one of the realities of our sports world.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Well, I'm wondering if it.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
Was just something like, oh, could this possibly carry over?
Obviously it carried over it. It's been an extraordinary story
that you've covered that I've covered, so many of us have,
and I think, yes, I think you could see something
was coming. And I'm not so sure that the WNBA.
In fact, I am sure the WNBA.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
Was not prepared for the magnitude of the moment.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
So Chris Broussard said something yesterday or the day before
on FS one, and Chris said it actually was a
bit beneficial that her skirmishes were not by African American
WNBA players, because it because we got into this whole
racial stuff. And Chris said, no, she's a trash talker.
Nobody likes her off the Indiana Fever. And I thought
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it was an interesting whether that's writer or not, I
thought it was an interesting take. Is that when there
was a lot of talk earlier about Angel rees and
the kind of a racial component, did you buy that?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Did you think that was a fair story.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
Certainly, the issue of raise is a big deal in
this story, and I delve into that with wonderful voices
black and white, great leaders, thought leaders like doctor Harry
Edwards of course, who was the impetus for the nineteen
sixty eight Mexico City Black Power Salute, other voices Briana Scurry.
You know, I think it's very important to deal with that.
(35:39):
I think would be naive you and I talking if
we didn't realize and of course understand, as Chris would
say and did say that clearly that there are those
issues involved, you know, the Kennedy Carter hitcheck, which I
go into in depth, because that of course is last season.
It was such a huge moment, not just with the WNBA,
Frankly Colin, but in our culture, you know, but people
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are talking about it for days.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
You know.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
Of course that was Kennedy Carter, who is black, and
that WNBA did not the referees did not deal with
it in the moment, just like the one with Marina Maybray,
of course, who's white. So you've got two of these
kind of blindstet in fact not kind of blind siding
situations of the person who is the biggest economic driver
in the WNBA, one white, one black. And but yes,
(36:25):
you cannot take race out of this conversation, nor should
we take race out of this conversation, because there's there's
so many elements of this story that do involve a
seventy four percent black league that never got These players,
never got.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
Their due, never I fought for it.
Speaker 8 (36:40):
I've written about it, I talked about it, and people
will ignore them for decades, and thankfully they're not ignoring
them now. Obviously, some of what we're seeing is some
stuff that we would relate rather not see.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
You know, it's listening to you Christine Brennan joining it
for the radio audience. The game is the book is
excuse me on her game? Kaitlin Clark in the Revolution
and went in sports. It sounds like you think the
WNBA is again making a mistake by not at least
sending a message and suspending the young lady that ran
her over yesterday? Am I right in interpreting that?
Speaker 6 (37:17):
Yes, yes, you are.
Speaker 8 (37:19):
You know, we got some interesting data a couple of
weeks ago when Kaitlyn Clark was injured, missed those five games,
gone about three weeks the USA Today, my colleague Jeff
Szilgut actually reported that the TV attendance for the entire
TV audience for the entire league, not just the dent
of Fever, but the entire league TV audience dropped more
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than fifty percent. That means that more than half of
the TV audience for the WNBA disappeared when.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Kaitlyn Clark was gone.
Speaker 8 (37:49):
Crazy I covered Tiger the length of his career. We
never saw those numbers with Tiger. We saw big drops
with when Tiger was gone Michael Jordan, I looked nowhere
near those kind of drops. So this athlete, Caitlyn Clark
is so important to the financial future of the WNBA
at the time. By the way, as you know that
the CBA, the collective barnaining agreement is open and will
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be being negotiated. This is a key moment for the
WNBA in terms of salaries and TV and the four
times now that the TV contract is four times more
than it was before, that's a wonderful development. Caitlin Clark
is really the engine here driving all of it. And
now you have this data, and I know that a
lot of people don't like that. Fats are facts, numbers
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are numbers. That's it and for me, the whole reason
I even looked at this story as I did, wrote
a few columns for USA Today, and then eventually had
a book deal. But even before then I realized, having
covered sports for a long time, call it that I
never thought that I would see arena's packed to the
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rafters and TV ratings more than the man as we know,
four million more for the women's final in the NCAA
Championship in twenty four than the men the next night.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
Because of Caitlin Clark, all of these things that we would.
Speaker 8 (39:08):
See arenas having to be games being moved to bigger arenas,
and that we'd be talking about a female athlete. Never
in my lifetime did I think I would see that,
And I think that's what makes this so remarkable and
so different from another, you know, phenom coming into a sport,
the magnitude for her and what she means to the
w and the WNBA. You know, we talked about Tiger.
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There was golf, you know, and Tiger did of course
lift golf, but golf had already had Arnie and Jack
and Tom Watson and so many others and even going
away before that. The NBA obviously needed the boost of
Bird of Magic, but it also had you know, of
course great names from the past, Will Chamberlain, Bill Russell,
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those great teams, the Celtics and others. So what I
guess I'm saying is that the WNBA needed this more
than any other of the sports that we kind of
try to compare. Caitlin too, with those great phenoms lifting
a sport, she is even more important to her sport
than those guys were to theirs.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
This is Rick Buker mentioned this yesterday. I think Stephen
add as well that you know, we're playing the victim
thing with the skirmish a little hot. She is a
trash talker, she's Larry Bird. And by the way, I
don't know, I never am going to assume you've ever
watched anything. But my taking this whole thing is if
you respect women, then let's treat them more like guys.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Basketball. They're gonna fight, they're.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Gonna flagrant, they're gonna technical, they're gonna swear, they're gonna
be inappropriate. That's how this thing works basketball. The WNBA
is not a vertical league. It has been chippy for
twenty years. It is a chippy It's a more linear,
more horizon. They don't do Jah Moran and jump over you.
They elbow. These are physical women and we're finding out
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they talk trash. And my take is it is a
wonderful thing. But back to my initial point is are
we making her more of a victim that she's got
a little Larry Bird and some of this stuff.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Maybe she's got it common. Oh.
Speaker 8 (41:08):
The last person who wants to be seen as a
victim is Caitlyn Clark. Obviously, I spent a lot of
time around the team, and by the way, I disagree
with Chris on that point about that they hate her
or don't like her.
Speaker 6 (41:18):
They love her. They love her and some of the
new players they.
Speaker 8 (41:21):
Brought in wanted to come right. They saw what was
going on in Indiana. They saw the opportunities to do
the deals that you know, and go to the.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
Supermarket and the gas station.
Speaker 8 (41:30):
And whatever and meet people and get the whatever the
fee is for that, the honorarium that Caitlyn can't.
Speaker 6 (41:34):
Do all that stuff.
Speaker 8 (41:35):
So there's a lot of people who like Caitlyn Clark
a lot, but she is a trash talker.
Speaker 6 (41:40):
Absolutely.
Speaker 8 (41:41):
They had to have the de Escalation Committee last year
to drag her away from trouble when she was close
to getting the seventh technical that would have meant she
would have had to sit out a game. Oh yeah,
she's feisty, she's tough, she's strong the way she reps
up a crowd, and people love her for that. Colin,
So I agree with you. I think there's apps no
reason to coddle these athletes. I certainly when the questions
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I asked, I'm not coddling them. If I'm going to
ask a man that question I a male athlete, I
will ask.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
A female athlete.
Speaker 8 (42:08):
Obviously that was something that people got mad about last year.
That's journalism one on one to me, And yes, now
Kaitlyn Clark absolutely can take it.
Speaker 5 (42:17):
Now.
Speaker 8 (42:17):
The question is, though the chief shots the out of
the blue, you don't see them coming, cheap shot, the.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
Freight train kind of thing of Marina Maybray.
Speaker 8 (42:24):
Is that smart to not have them have that punished
by a game or two suspension.
Speaker 6 (42:30):
I'm thinking not.
Speaker 8 (42:32):
With what we talked about before, Colin, the magnitude of
Kitlyn Clark and what she means for this league at
this moment.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, I know the league send messages all the time.
I mean the NFL will change rules in a season,
and I think I said this earlier. I didn't know
what to do with it. Obviously garnered a technical, but
you can make a compelling argument they should probably just
for messaging. They should probably set that player down for
a game or two, just if nothing else, just tone
(43:00):
and messaging. My mom would from time to time when
I was a kid, sit me down just for messaging,
and it was always very effective. So that leagues have
been doing that my entire life. Christine Brennan on her game,
Caitlin Clark and the Revolution in Women's Sports, July eighth.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
It's out. I started it last night, folks.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Last year I called her Taylor Swift in basketball shoes.
This is a new frontier. This is this stuff is incredible.
Think about this. They outdrew the Pacers, and the Pacers
are in the finals, and the Pacers are the fastest
paced NBA team, So they play an incredibly aesthetically pleasing
style of basketball and the Fever outdraw them. That is
(43:43):
in itself remarkable. Christine final thoughts on the book, and
if I'm on the I don't know if I want
to buy it. Tell people kind of where you go
on this. A lot of stuff I've learned early that
I didn't know.
Speaker 6 (43:59):
That was my hope.
Speaker 8 (44:00):
You know, it's a journalistic no holds bard look at
this time, Kate, it's unauthorized, and that's a good things.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
That means that.
Speaker 8 (44:08):
I am not working with Caitlyn. She answered all my questions.
She is amazing. She is as good as you'd hope
she would be, looks you in the eye, answers, everything
goes on for several minutes.
Speaker 6 (44:19):
I write in the book Colin, she's twenty two going
on forty or fifty.
Speaker 8 (44:23):
Remarkable, especially with the issues and the things that were
thrown at her, for sure, and she's kept it up
again this year, and you know, I break a lot
of news more on the Olympic snub that I think
is the worst team selection decision I've ever seen in covering.
Speaker 6 (44:37):
The Opics since the eighties.
Speaker 8 (44:39):
Yeah, and a lot of yeah, thank you and yeah,
I mean it looks worse by the day.
Speaker 6 (44:46):
Obviously, it's a year old now, so.
Speaker 8 (44:47):
We can move on, but it is I think people
will be fascinated by that a lot from Caitlyn's friends.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
You know, Kate Martin got Tamika catchings throughout the book.
Speaker 8 (44:57):
As I mentioned talking about the start of the deb
how tough that.
Speaker 6 (45:02):
Was, how important that was.
Speaker 8 (45:04):
I really tried to touch on every important issue of
this last year and a half at this extraordinary time
in our country.
Speaker 6 (45:13):
And I do think people who follow.
Speaker 8 (45:14):
Her closely will still be very surprised by some of
the things in the book and very proud of it.
And certainly again, Caitlin Clark is a worthy story at
this time. I mean, truly, I think you can make
the case not only is she one of our most
famous athletes, she's one of our most famous Americans period.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
Yeah, you grandmothers and grandfathers in.
Speaker 8 (45:36):
The produce section would never watch that they're looking for
where Ion is or whatever on their TV set to
make sure that they can watch Caitlin Clark play. And
that's a great thing for all those other players to
get that attention as well.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Christine, thank you so much. Good Scenia, you too, Colin,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
That's interesting when she goes remember when they didn't put
her on the Olympic team and I said, folks on
the team, what are you doing? And I got a
lot of pushback, year out of touch, you don't understand.
I said, here's what I understand. Sometimes an artist gets hot, Martin,
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you'd know this. You put him, You put him on
the tour. Coachella is like, let's get him in. Well,
I mean they've only sold so many records. Yeah, put
him you just Coachella, get him out there in the desert.
Is not putting her on the Olympics. I'm glad Twisting
Brennan has that take, because ies didn't get that at all.
(46:37):
The league got a little too precious, a little too precious.
All right, j MC, where did you land on that one?
Speaker 3 (46:47):
I'm like the Olympic one? Yeah, oh that was goofy.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
I mean yeah, it goes back. Do you remember stiff
Curry when he zoomed past like Chris Paul and Russell
Westbrook and became like a major phenix in the country.
Everybody knew Steph Curry. There was jealousy and hate for
him from Chris Paul west Westbrook. They were supposed to
be the next great stars and they were anger. I
think the same thing happened.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
With Kaitlin Clark.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
She zoomed past everybody in the league, right, and they
were like, well, we were putting a rookie on the
Olympic team.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Let's settle down.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
Yeah. I got the Christine Brendan book, very excited to
read that thing.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Yeah, you know, we're all in.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
On Kaitlin Clark, Colin She's a big story, like huge.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
That Olympic thing was really polarizing. And again, and I
remember at the time saying, sometimes just don't out think
they're room an. Artists gets hot and athletes get just
make make except people go, well, we don't want to
create a precedence. Kaitlin Clark is the Precedent's there are
no more. There's never been another Tiger Woods. Rory McElroy's
(47:51):
got talent, but he doesn't have Tiger's will and force.
There are no other like like, we may never see
another Mahomes, Josh Ellen's great so is Lamar Mahomes, got
Andy Reid.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
We may never see this again.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Yeah okay, so like a lot of the greatest of
all time, we'll never see a basketball player like Lebron
no way not. Was it eight straight finals or Wayne
Gretzky eight straight MVPs. That's never happening again. But we're
never gonna see that again. Yeah, all right, herdline news
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On Caitlin Clark.
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Christine Brennan's been very very critical of the WNBA and
I think deservedly sells.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
So we got a lot on the Danta today Jmac.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
But yesterday after the show, there was a and we
don't normally talk a ton about this, but there was
a sale. It wasn't long ago the Celtics sold for
six billion. LA is a much bigger market. They sold
for ten billion dollars yesterday, and nobody eat. Laker fans
aren't quite sure how to react. And I'm here to
tell you it is a great day to be a
(01:25):
Laker fan. So the group that bought the Lakers already
owned a part of them, Mark Walter Group, really shrewd
la resident. All you have to do to wonder what's
gonna happen to the Lakers is look at the Dodgers
scouting research and development facilities. Patients A plus plus plus
(01:46):
plus sharp dude, don't know him, No people that do.
They spend more money than any one, but they are
very judicious. They rarely miss. The Lakers have been a
mom and pop shop for years. It's Jeanie Buss and
friends of the family. That's cute. But this is twenty
(02:07):
twenty five and it's pro sports. The organization needs more juice,
more financing, more eyes, new eyes, and this is what
they have. They're going officially from dial up to fiber optic.
Yesterday was a great day to be a Laker fan.
Now the reports are well, Genie Buss will still be
the governor. She will still be in the front office. Yeah,
(02:30):
and That's what Mark Cuban told us when he sold
the MAVs, and then he didn't know about the Luca trade.
That's sort of a big deal. She's not going to
have any power now. I think she's done great in operations.
She's beloving Los Angeles, a really cool person. Having her
around the organization is awesome.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But this is a whole.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Different Bullget When you spend ten billion dollars to buy something,
you're going to have the final say.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
And that's what the Lakers need.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
This Dodger group, I'm telling you, man, they update and
upgrade constantly. They don't get money away. They could have
had Manny Machado. Nope, Corey Bellinger MVP, Corey Seeger. They'll
move off people. Since Mark Walter and his group have arrived.
Here's the reality. The Dodgers are first or tied for first,
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and wins pennants titles, world series titles. And I hear
this stuff. I hear all the fearmongers. Colin just another
oligarc another billionaire that doesn't care about the team. You
want to know the worst owners in my life, Ted Stepien,
look it up, Donald Sterling, Marg Shott. None of them
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were venture capitalists. None of them, like Mark Walter, were
global asset managers, small thinkers, bad people.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Not this group.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
When you watch the Dodgers, man, they don't miss it's impressive.
By the way, a lot of teams spend money. Yankees
spend a lot of money. They're top heavy. Dodgers never
are so. Even the way they finance stuff, deferred payments,
They're always a step ahead. They go and get the
very best people. When they took the Dodgers over, Andrew
Friedman was the hot shot GM in Tampa.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
They went and got him.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
They were working on that Otawi deal three years when
he was an angel. Three years out they started working
on that deal. I would not be surprised if they
doubled the r indeed doubled the scouting department. The Lakers
have too many friends and family. I'm looking for a meritocracy,
not a barbecue. This is a great day. Don't be
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afraid of something that's been in the building for years now.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
They own all of it. Okay, I think the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
The Bus family owned fifteen percent for a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
The media does something from time to time and it
it kind of rubs me the wrong way they pander,
and I get it. Athletes are young. I've said this
before about the NBA. I'm not going to beat up
on young NBA players making mistakes. They come into the
league at eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old, okay, But the
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NFL is different. You come into the NFL at twenty two,
twenty three. Now some guys are staying in college for
and I'm el money maybe twenty five. And at the
quarterback position, I am harsh and punitives. The media again
tends to pand or too often. I warn Cleveland about
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Johnny Manziel. Colin, you're overreacting. Uncle Colin was right. I
warned you that Baker was good but too immature. I
was right on that too, and Stefanski eventually showed him
the door. Baker now has grown up. I like this Baker,
but I was right, and I was right about Deshaan
Watson creepy, cringey.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
That's not a lead at that position.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
So yesterday Shador Sanders got caught speeding over one hundred
miles an hour.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
He's a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Mike Tomlin often says two is a trend. Can't screw
up three or four times. Two is a trend just
two times. I'm not sure if I need two times.
When you're a young quarterback, one bad judgment turns me off.
But I have now in the last couple of months
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two things that really turned me off. Wi Shidor Sanders,
who I have championed that cringey awful legendary draft room. Bro,
you're a b prospect. You know your dad's prime time
who led with his ego for years. You gotta have
a little self awareness. I had more than one GM
say total turnoff. Come on, it's not the end of
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the world. It's a bad look. And now this one
hundred miles an hour. Yep, all you fanboys, go ahead.
Manzill Baker, Deshaun Watson defended it to the hilt on
your Reddit account. Sorry, don't minimize it, don't pander. This
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is not good for a quarterback, not good as of today.
And I've said this for years. I do not cling
to opinions, new information, new opinion. I'm an airline pilot.
We got a storm coming, here's the latest radar. I'm
changing my route, not flying headfirst into it. I don't
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think about him the same. There was a moment I
thought Will Levis about four months out from the draft,
had a chance, and I turned on Will Levis when
he started showing up like a bodybuilder gun show.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
And I had two.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
NFL coaches, both needing quarterbacks, who text me, got my
number and text me. They're like, this is the exact
conversation we are having in our building right now. Two
NFL coaches, head coaches. They're like, bro, we're laughing watching this.
It matters, new information, legendary one hundred miles an hour
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judgment is fifty percent of being a quarterback when you
fall to one forty four in the draft and then
try to match that number behind the wheel of a car. Yeah,
I don't think the same. You ignored signs with Manzielle
and Baker, and apparently, based on the traffic violation, Shador
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was avoiding some signs too, the ones that say stop.
I feel differently today. I'm not as high on him.
I'm not sure he's mature enough.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Now. I'm gonna have to like Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
J Mac Oh boy, I'm laughing at Kenny pick It
not obviously the Shador situation, but calling it. It's an
interesting one to eighty from you, my guy going from hey,
put him in the Hall of Thing because of seven
on seven drills in June. And now it's like, well
he was going forty one over the limit.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Let's say, you know me, you and I are similar
this way new information, new opinion. And I said I
did not like the legendary draft room. It was cringey.
It's not the end of the world. But people reached out.
You add these two together, all you have to do
Cleveland Manzell Baker, I kept saying, Baker did to It
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wasn't the end of the world. But it's something. It's
a lack of self awareness.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
It's like your shirt off posing with a tiger. It's like, bro,
how about you play game like one before you go
super model on us. But in the end, Stefanskiing and
Andrew Berry, two smart guys, were like, yeah, we just
he's putting he's starting too many fires not putting them out.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
It's something yeah, interesting, So Dylan Gabriel QB one No,
in all seriousness, though, arding shod or like a speeding tickets.
Not the end of the world, not the end after
midnight sounds like it was a nice new vehicle. He's
got probably a V eight, A lot of power. I
guess my question Colin is like, have you ever worked
with someone who you knew was on thin ice? And
you're like, man, they're looking for a reason.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
To get rid of that guy.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
He better not screw up, and.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
He makes one misstep and he's gone, Hey, have you
ever worked with somebody in that realm?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Listen, when you fall to the fifth round and are
perceived as a first round quarterback, you are on thin ice.
And when there's a perception that the owner wanted you drafted,
not the GM, you were on perilously thin ice. They're
not letting him practice with the ones Dylan Gabriel is.
You're on even thinner ice. You can't get in trouble.
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You can't get in trouble. This is not good. Do
not minimize. I can assure you this. Andrew Berry and
Kevin Stefanski didn't go this.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Is super duper well. They rolled.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
They probably were, you know, kind of we're looking at
the owner like, see, I told you, But again, this
is just a s meeting ticket. I'm gonna remind you
Dak Prescott had an incident before the draft. Do you
remember not great I had an incident and people were
like oh, how can you do that before the draft? Like,
where's the awareness?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
But but Dak Prescott, if you went back to and
I said, this the Dak Prescott stuff I talked about
on this show, and and you know he did drop
to the fourth round. Yeah for being a very good
college quarterback. But Dak Prescott from that moment on has
been one of the best leaders yet period at any.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Position in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I'm saying it's not the end of the world, but
when you used to and there by the way, there
were four or five incidents. I saw one piece of
video against Nebraska where Chedeurs did some stuff on the
field I didn't love, Like, like there's there by the way,
there are people on the internet that will find you
four five and six pieces of video in college where
he was a little into Shedeur Sanders not the greatest
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teammate right again, and I stayed away from that. But
when I watched, when I watched the legendary draft room,
I'm like, oh, dude, a little again, if he's a cornerback.
You know my rule on this, I look at point
guards and quarterbacks differently. I'm now, I look at it
now and I'm just this maybe the last Sor Sanders segment.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I do no, yeah, yeah, I think it.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Is over a speeding ticket.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Colin, again, you're not listening. It's not a speeding ticket.
It's multiple incidents in college. It's the draft room, just
like just like you know, broadcasters, if your showed up
and get ratings, you're on thin eye.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
You overlooked all of that during the OTAs when he
was crushing.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
No, no, I didn't. I talked about it every day
that it was amazing. I've never overlooked a thing. I've
always gone over the top positive. J Mac. Let me
give you some guidance. It an old guy, okay, very
few people in important positions. You're judged every day. I'm
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judged by management at my company, and they like me
every day. Doesn't take many screw ups. Narratives change, and
that's after success. I mean, look at think how great
Brady was. Belichick was drafting quarterbacks every other year. Just
in case Garoppolo second round. They couldn't have used another receiver.
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If you don't think management's talking about I had a
great agent years ago. I had an agent I brought
him up yesterday named Nick con Nick. Con the greatest
advice I ever got, he said. Companies make a decision
a year before they tell you.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I now own a company.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I make decisions six months before I tell anybody. You
think upstairs in the building, they're just like, it's just
you know, his foot got stuck on the gat.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
It's not the way it worked.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
If this is so weird. In you were a big
Shador guy, I was kind of anti they like Dylan Gabriel.
Now this and I've I find myself I kind of
want to defend Shador a little bit. But it's it's
not indefensible.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
By the way you. Let's say that.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Let's let's not take you or I. Somebody's watching or
listening my show, Love your wife, great kids, supportive, got
your back. You walk in, she's with a mailman. What
does it not change everything? I mean, it's not the
end of the world. She's not an axe murderer. Infidelity
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in an instant changes everything, and it's not the end
of the world. It happens all the time in relationships.
It's something not appropriate.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Go ahead, how does he overcome this?
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Again, it's it's not a great look. I don't think
it's the end of the world.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
You know, say it was for me. I didn't says
that for me. It's different. Now it's different. Sorry, I'm out.
Good luck fifth round guy. You know what, I'm gonna
go to a Reddit board under CC and start posting
some Dylan Gabriel's demand.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Get on board the hype trade, baby, Dylan Gabriel, Here
he comes.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
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Speaker 3 (15:35):
None of the ball.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
A report that Lebron James is quote comfortable with the
sale of the Lakers. He's forty, He's played twenty two seasons.
And and I'll say this about the new ownership group
of the Lakers, it's the ownership group of the Dodgers.
That ownership group and the front office moved off Cody Bellinger,
National League MVP, Corey Seeger A World Series MVP Max Suurser.
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They knew Manny Machado was going to go to the
Podreys their arrival. All right, Sea, they could have paid
for all of them. They'll move off Stars. If Luca
doesn't stay in shape, if Luca doesn't defend at a
higher level, they'll sign him to the Summer Max. He'll
get his two hundred and twenty eight million. They'll move Offen.
They will move Offen. Kobe Bryant, in my opinion, had
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too much control the last four or five years, and
Lebron in the last two or three, to me, has
too much control. He's the ecosystem of the offense. And
Doctor Buss loved family and friends and understood stars. There's
nothing wrong with that. But I think the Lakers, the Cowboys,
the Bengals have been run like mom and pop shops.
Too many friends and family not interested. I want the
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best person, not the best last name. That's what I'm
looking for. So the Dodgers with this group have moved
off MVPs, not just MVPs World series. MVPs in their twenties, thirties,
young thirties, mid twenties don't move off guys.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
They don't care.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
They prioritize winning. And the Bus family, to their credit,
has always understood the value of stars.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
They've been very good about that.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
You can go, you can go, You know, Kareem the
Bus family didn't have but Magic Johnson. You know they
understood it. Shaq Kobe, they get it, lebron A d
they get it. Okay, but you got to get the
right stars. When the Yankees signed John Carlos Stanton when
they've already got Aaron Judge in the building, duplication, you
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got injuries with John Carlos Stanton. That's not a smart move,
that's just bad money. He struggled with his health. He's
never really been as good as you think. And you
had a duplicate player who's better in the building, a
power hitter. So to me that it's not just money.
They will hold Luca accountable. And by the way, the
second richest ownership group in the NBA right now is
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the Dallas Mavericks. And Day said, well, the max he
could make with the Mavericks is much greater than the
max with the Lakers. And they said, no, no, no,
he's getting hurt, he's not in shape, he won't defend.
He didn't do Walter Group, and they got a lot
more sports property's in a lot more experience. If Luca
doesn't get in shape, and I don't want to see
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another video of leg presses. He's a pro athlete. I
do leg presses. I'm in radio and television. I do
leg presses twice a week. I don't want to see
that video. I want to see the results, and I
want to see defense. All the great Laker players in
my lifetime, Jerry West, elite defender, Kareem elite defender, Lebron elite,
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Kobe in his prime, Shack in his prime, Gasol would
defend Anthony Davis, great defend, underrated defender, maybe the best
defender in the league the last two years, Luca, come on,
gotta do better. Gotta do better, all right, I mean
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Kobe has as many all defensive selections. The staff just
sent this as Kevin Garnett. I mean, Kobe was took
great pride in it, and you didn't have to send
me videos of you know, Lebron James doing leg presses
or or Jerry West pre TikToker pre ig. He was
doing leg presses. Okay, I don't need to see that video. Look,
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he's doing sit ups on an off day. Not interested
watch the games. Let me see results. Jmack with the news, No, no.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Sorry, get that out of my throat there, all right,
let's get started. Game six tonight in the NBA Finals.
Feels like it's over Tyrese Haliburton. They're calling him a
game time decision. He did take part in yesterday's practic,
which was a film session and a walkthrough with light shooting.
If you're watching there on FS one, you could see
the calf kind of tighten up when he went down
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there in uh in the last game, Colin, it sounds
like Caliburton will not play here. He is talking about
his status.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
You have to understand the risks. That's directions. But I'm
a competitor. I want to play. I'm gonna do everything
in my power to play, and uh, that's just what
it is. I'm questionable from time to time throughout the
course of the season, and they trust me to make
the right decision on my body when the power is
in my hands, and you know, I'm gonna try my
best to uh to do that. But I mean, you understand,
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I want to be out there, and you know that's
the plan.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
It's unclear, Colin, if he was doing any running at practice.
It sounds like there was some shooting.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
One thirteen one oh six.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Okay, see, yeah, I don't hate that lower scoring.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I got the where they can win it.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
This is weird, Colin. I know it's NBA Finals. To me,
this is your third best option on TV tonight. USA
Soccer is number one. Obviously, it's a massive.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yes, USA Satar here.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
That's top game and you know we can't lose that game.
Second is gonna be Caitlin Cork, which we'll talk about
here sortainly. But for me, I don't have a lot
of people saying, hey, Jay, any shot the Pacers come back.
I want tons of text chains. People are not.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
If Halla Burton was healthy, the series would have some
juice his inactivity or marginal playing.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
They're not beating this team two times without him. This
team is so good at ball pressure on the perimeter
that literally the only way to beat them is with
ball handling and ball movement. And the best guy arguably
in the playoffs has been Halla Burton at that.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
So it's it's not gonna work.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, it feels over all.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Right, Let's go to the next roy, which is the WNBA. Listen,
I know you don't agree with this, but the WNBA
has announced no oh suspensions following the fever sun What
are we calling it? A melee, a kerfuffle, A lot
of flagrant fowls, multiple ejections, and I poked there. Caitlin
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Clark got decked. I don't love this, Colin.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I'll tell you why.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
I sayd I think you gotta said notice, you can't
just rough people up like this.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, I don't like this. There's a lot of smart
people out there whose opinion I read or trust that
are like, hey, it's got to be a gotta be
a suspension for that. It's got to be just beyond
a flagrant or a technical foul, and that's a legit
you we can argue both sides, but I think there's
a legitimate argument for messaging. We're gonna suspend it for that.
(22:43):
It may not be long two game suspension, but I
think you can argue reasonably that it deserves a suspension.
And I wouldn't push back, you know, not everything I'm
definitive of on There are things that I'm like, Yeah,
either side's fine, and I think in this if you
think there should be a suspension, I'm good with that.
You can argue that.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
So here's the other layer to this. So tonight the
Fever play the expansion team, the Golden State Valkyrie. I
don't know. I don't know. I don't follow their team
or any of that, but I read about a gambling
guy does a write up and he's been following this
Golden State team. The number one thing they do is
physical defense. They get in your face listen. And the
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league announced it based Oh, no suspensions. It's fine this
expect this team to go hard at Caitlyn Clark tonight.
I'm just putting it out there. I'm not saying there's
gonna be a fight or anything, but they play physical
brand of basketball. Kitlin Clark better get her enforcers because
this is gonna be a theme. And I'm excited for
the Christine Brennan interview later. I got the book as well.
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I'm very pro Kitlyn Clark. You know that Colin. I
am worried that she's going to become a target in
this league. People are jealous. Oh, she's our show poet,
she's carrying the league. Well, well I'm going to show her.
I don't like some of this stuff that's whirling out there.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I got that, and it makes me want to watch
the game. This game has more juice than the NBA Finals,
no question, no question.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Now, Lion final story is to Major League Baseball. Last
night had some drama, Dodgers padres, great rivalry.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Let's set the scene. In the ninth inning, Will Smith
steps up as a pinch hitter.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Smith, who's is the fly ball? Right center field? Tatis
on the round at the Wontie track.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Hit the walk.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
It is gone. It's gone.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Hey, this game is over.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
They celebrate in front of the play Oh walk up,
home run crew, Will Smith. The Dodgers went in the
ninth four to three. I actually thought it was initially caught.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
How did not cut that?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I'm getting I mean, for a second, this rivalry is
so good. They have played now twenty four times in
the last two years, thirteen Dodger wins. I think it's
thirteen to eleven, and this was a go either way
a game. This is There are so many right players
in this rivalry. It is insane how much talent these
two teams. We saw these teams play last year and
I remember if they played the playoff game and the
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Dodgers I remember went with a bullpen game and had
did they shut them? Out or they had an incredible
I remember being just shocked because I thought the momentum
had swung in the Podreys favor. So the Dodgers just
have a way of always winning the big games in
this series. But it's a it is a star studded
seven eight, nine elite players in this series minimum.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Yeah, Dodgers down five and one against the Padres this season,
kind of dominant. Colin. I know you don't want to
be hyping La, but between this Dodgers team that just
won the World Series, probably going back, Lakers new ownership
that's gonna spend to build around Luca. You got LAFCS
as a beast out here inside.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Why wouldn't I want you to HiPE La. I'm flying
their Sunday morn there.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
I know the city awaits your arrival. By the way,
the Rams, I can't think, according to you are going
to the super Bowl. The Chargers and Jim Harball like
everything's coming up.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
We've said this outside of USC all the big brands
in Los Angeles. I mean, you say what you want
about the Lakers, but they're not I mean they're making
the playoffs. The West is very hard.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
The third scene in the West not just making No,
it's right now.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Los Angeles has really really good ownership. The Dodgers, the
new Laker ownership, Steve Ballmer They've got and they've got
really good ownership, and a lot of cities don't. Stan
Kronkey obviously, Spano's family has done a good job. Harbaugh
and Justin Herbert and two great offensive tackles. They're spending
big money now. So a lot of this stuff is
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how good are your local owners. LA's got really good
owners and really shrewd front offices.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Are at bottom.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
The New York teams, the Jets owners one of the
worst in the league. Mara stepped in it recently, James
Dolan firing Thibodeau. By the way, I read this long
mixed piece last night. Oh my gosh, Nick situation is terrible.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Right now, I think we read the same piece.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I don't know if we'll talk about it later maybe
you know, but h.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
New York, New York Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
So again.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Uh, the Caitlin's Clark stuff is fascinating. And I've said
this before. You can tell me you respect somebody, But
you respect somebody. I don't want lipstopers. How do you
treat them? Do you treat them as an equal? And
I've said from the very beginning with the WNBA, if
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you want to respect them, then judge them like men.
They're great, talented, competitive, intense athletes. Stop pandering, put the
palm palms down, take down the protective shield. Caitlin Clark
is tough. She got a lot of Larry Bird. She
is feisty. So there there's a video that made the internet.
(28:02):
It was yesterday and you could read what Caitlin Clark
was saying, right, and she got a little blowback on
that because at one point she said, hey, I can.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Do what I want.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And everybody took that poorly. They're like, look, I read
an article this morning. She's telling J. C. Sheldon, the NBA,
the WNBA has got her back.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
No, she's not. That's not what she's saying.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
She's saying, like Larry Bird did when somebody got into
his face. Okay, who's planned for second place in the
three point shooting contest. I'm gonna do whatever I want.
Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, Shack, I'm gonna do whatever I
want that didn't mean the WNBA or the NBA has
the athletes back. Folks, if you could have had this
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same internet lip breeding quality with MJ and Bird. I
saw MJ and Bird after their retirement. It was a
few years ago. They met at a game in the
tunnel and they greeted each other with smiles and mfs.
That's how they talked, and that is how athletes talk.
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Cocky and confident is the language of competition. Wall Street,
Silicon Valley, Premier League, NFL, NBA guys drop f bombs
at each other and golf the next week at each
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other's charity.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
That's Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Stop treating this differently than you would treat a male athlete.
If you could read lips with those players, don't treat
them differently.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
And I said this yesterday.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I have never been a huge WNBA fan, but I've
gone to games and I followed it. The quality of
play over the last ten years. Go look at the
stats and the analytics. Bigger, stronger, faster, jump better. It'll
never be a vertical league like the NBA. But this
whole thing, well, you know what she's said. I see
(30:09):
these articles. She's saying Hey, the WNBA, I can do
what I want. I would argue the opposite is true.
The WNBA mangled her first year, gave her a tougher
schedule to start the season. WNBA, we'd argue, doesn't have
her back enough. Christine Brennan on the show. That's where
she's arguing. What she's doing is cocky and confident and
(30:32):
self assured. And it's great. It's great for Caitlin, it's
great for basketball players. You'll see college kids doing it soccer, UFC.
Swearing confidence over the top is the That is the
language of competition, from Silicon Valley to Wall Street venture Capital.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
And the WNBA.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
And I'm here for it. Aj Perzinski. By the way,
here's Kitlyn Clark. She is a trash talker, much more
than I thought. But you're hearing it and reading it now.
Here's Caitlin Clark on her trash talking.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
Everybody knows that's how I play, Like I want the
crowd behind me, like they love when I get into
it with them too, Like they're here for a show,
and like that's what I try to give them every
single night. That's why we try to give them every
single night. And that's what makes it fun. This place
is basically full, and there's so many young girls and
young boys and adults and older men that you know
this might be their first WNBA game ever, and like
(31:29):
you want to perform for them.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
You go, Dodgers, Padres, Albert Breer. We're just starting and
Aaron Rodgers is talking to somebody at FS one.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
It's the Herd.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays
and noone Easter. There not a Empacific.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Well.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
She's written seven the best selling author seven different books.
Her sportsbooks Inside Edge is considered one of the one
hundred best sports books ever written. Sixteen of the last
winter and Summer Olympics, She's been to all of them.
Award winning national author and Christine Brennan now is joining us.
She has a new book. I just started reading it
last night on her game, Caitlin Clark in The Revolution
(32:15):
in Women's Sports. You've covered a lot of women's basketball.
That book is available in July, early July. And again
I just got a sneak peak last night and started
diving into it.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
So I was pretty critical and you have as well.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
With a WNBA, I mean, when they opened up with
New York and Connecticut. I'm like, people, give this lady
a break. This is rough, but I will be honest.
I thought she would be a star. Can I defend
the WNBA last year and say, hey, they didn't know
she was going to become Tiger Woods with merchandise? Could
(32:48):
I defend the WNBA or did they just Christine?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Did they?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Did? They just kind of butcher her first year?
Speaker 8 (32:56):
You know, Colin, I think there were signs of what
was coming, and I think those signs were missed when
you look at as so many of us.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Did, watching her, you know, from home, right, and watching.
Speaker 8 (33:08):
That junior year start to develop, obviously going to the
Final four, taking an IOWA team that no one predicted
would go that far, then to the final game losing
of course to LSU. The logo threes, the forty one
point games, the triple doubles.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
Just you know, really the high wire act.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
Right, It's Caitlin Clark is a basketball player, for sure,
but she's really an entertainer and that was clear, I
think to many of us. And then the senior year
where you've got people lined up in eighteen nineteen, twenty
thousand arenas seed arenas in you know.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
At Maryland and Ohio.
Speaker 8 (33:41):
State and in the in January, you know, for hours
waiting to.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Get in to see her play.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
She's barnstorming right around the country, or at least around
the good chunk of it. I think the signs were
there that this was a huge deal.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
And as I.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
Report in the book and talk about this issue, and
I do have a lot on this topic, the look,
you know, I think that there was probably a thought
within the WNBA, which I've really covered from the get go,
that could.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
This be possible?
Speaker 8 (34:09):
You know, the WNBA was basically ignored by the male
dominated mainstream sports media for years, and you know that's
that's one of the realities of our sports world.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Well, I'm wondering if it.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
Was just something like, oh, could this possibly carry over?
Obviously it carried over it. It's been an extraordinary story
that you've covered that I've covered, so many of us have,
and I think, yes, I think you could see something
was coming. And I'm not so sure that the WNBA.
In fact, I am sure the WNBA.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
Was not prepared for the magnitude of the moment.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
So Chris Broussard said something yesterday or the day before
on FS one, and Chris said it actually was a
bit beneficial that her skirmishes were not by African American
WNBA players, because it because we got into this whole
racial stuff. And Chris said, no, she's a trash talker.
Nobody likes her off the Indiana Fever. And I thought
(35:03):
it was an interesting whether that's writer or not, I
thought it was an interesting take. Is that when there
was a lot of talk earlier about Angel rees and
the kind of a racial component, did you buy that?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Did you think that was a fair story.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
Certainly, the issue of raise is a big deal in
this story, and I delve into that with wonderful voices
black and white, great leaders, thought leaders like doctor Harry
Edwards of course, who was the impetus for the nineteen
sixty eight Mexico City Black Power Salute, other voices Briana Scurry.
You know, I think it's very important to deal with that.
(35:39):
I think would be naive you and I talking if
we didn't realize and of course understand, as Chris would
say and did say that clearly that there are those
issues involved, you know, the Kennedy Carter hitcheck, which I
go into in depth, because that of course is last season.
It was such a huge moment, not just with the WNBA,
Frankly Colin, but in our culture, you know, but people
(36:01):
are talking about it for days.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
You know.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
Of course that was Kennedy Carter, who is black, and
that WNBA did not the referees did not deal with
it in the moment, just like the one with Marina Maybray,
of course, who's white. So you've got two of these
kind of blindstet in fact not kind of blind siding
situations of the person who is the biggest economic driver
in the WNBA, one white, one black. And but yes,
(36:25):
you cannot take race out of this conversation, nor should
we take race out of this conversation, because there's there's
so many elements of this story that do involve a
seventy four percent black league that never got These players,
never got.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
Their due, never I fought for it.
Speaker 8 (36:40):
I've written about it, I talked about it, and people
will ignore them for decades, and thankfully they're not ignoring
them now. Obviously, some of what we're seeing is some
stuff that we would relate rather not see.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
You know, it's listening to you Christine Brennan joining it
for the radio audience. The game is the book is
excuse me on her game? Kaitlin Clark in the Revolution
and went in sports. It sounds like you think the
WNBA is again making a mistake by not at least
sending a message and suspending the young lady that ran
her over yesterday? Am I right in interpreting that?
Speaker 6 (37:17):
Yes, yes, you are.
Speaker 8 (37:19):
You know, we got some interesting data a couple of
weeks ago when Kaitlyn Clark was injured, missed those five games,
gone about three weeks the USA Today, my colleague Jeff
Szilgut actually reported that the TV attendance for the entire
TV audience for the entire league, not just the dent
of Fever, but the entire league TV audience dropped more
(37:39):
than fifty percent. That means that more than half of
the TV audience for the WNBA disappeared when.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Kaitlyn Clark was gone.
Speaker 8 (37:49):
Crazy I covered Tiger the length of his career. We
never saw those numbers with Tiger. We saw big drops
with when Tiger was gone Michael Jordan, I looked nowhere
near those kind of drops. So this athlete, Caitlyn Clark
is so important to the financial future of the WNBA
at the time. By the way, as you know that
the CBA, the collective barnaining agreement is open and will
(38:12):
be being negotiated. This is a key moment for the
WNBA in terms of salaries and TV and the four
times now that the TV contract is four times more
than it was before, that's a wonderful development. Caitlin Clark
is really the engine here driving all of it. And
now you have this data, and I know that a
lot of people don't like that. Fats are facts, numbers
(38:35):
are numbers. That's it and for me, the whole reason
I even looked at this story as I did, wrote
a few columns for USA Today, and then eventually had
a book deal. But even before then I realized, having
covered sports for a long time, call it that I
never thought that I would see arena's packed to the
(38:56):
rafters and TV ratings more than the man as we know,
four million more for the women's final in the NCAA
Championship in twenty four than the men the next night.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
Because of Caitlin Clark, all of these things that we would.
Speaker 8 (39:08):
See arenas having to be games being moved to bigger arenas,
and that we'd be talking about a female athlete. Never
in my lifetime did I think I would see that,
And I think that's what makes this so remarkable and
so different from another, you know, phenom coming into a sport,
the magnitude for her and what she means to the
w and the WNBA. You know, we talked about Tiger.
(39:30):
There was golf, you know, and Tiger did of course
lift golf, but golf had already had Arnie and Jack
and Tom Watson and so many others and even going
away before that. The NBA obviously needed the boost of
Bird of Magic, but it also had you know, of
course great names from the past, Will Chamberlain, Bill Russell,
(39:51):
those great teams, the Celtics and others. So what I
guess I'm saying is that the WNBA needed this more
than any other of the sports that we kind of
try to compare. Caitlin too, with those great phenoms lifting
a sport, she is even more important to her sport
than those guys were to theirs.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
This is Rick Buker mentioned this yesterday. I think Stephen
add as well that you know, we're playing the victim
thing with the skirmish a little hot. She is a
trash talker, she's Larry Bird. And by the way, I
don't know, I never am going to assume you've ever
watched anything. But my taking this whole thing is if
you respect women, then let's treat them more like guys.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Basketball. They're gonna fight, they're.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Gonna flagrant, they're gonna technical, they're gonna swear, they're gonna
be inappropriate. That's how this thing works basketball. The WNBA
is not a vertical league. It has been chippy for
twenty years. It is a chippy It's a more linear,
more horizon. They don't do Jah Moran and jump over you.
They elbow. These are physical women and we're finding out
(40:51):
they talk trash. And my take is it is a
wonderful thing. But back to my initial point is are
we making her more of a victim that she's got
a little Larry Bird and some of this stuff.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Maybe she's got it common. Oh.
Speaker 8 (41:08):
The last person who wants to be seen as a
victim is Caitlyn Clark. Obviously, I spent a lot of
time around the team, and by the way, I disagree
with Chris on that point about that they hate her
or don't like her.
Speaker 6 (41:18):
They love her. They love her and some of the
new players they.
Speaker 8 (41:21):
Brought in wanted to come right. They saw what was
going on in Indiana. They saw the opportunities to do
the deals that you know, and go to the.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
Supermarket and the gas station.
Speaker 8 (41:30):
And whatever and meet people and get the whatever the
fee is for that, the honorarium that Caitlyn can't.
Speaker 6 (41:34):
Do all that stuff.
Speaker 8 (41:35):
So there's a lot of people who like Caitlyn Clark
a lot, but she is a trash talker.
Speaker 6 (41:40):
Absolutely.
Speaker 8 (41:41):
They had to have the de Escalation Committee last year
to drag her away from trouble when she was close
to getting the seventh technical that would have meant she
would have had to sit out a game. Oh yeah,
she's feisty, she's tough, she's strong the way she reps
up a crowd, and people love her for that. Colin,
So I agree with you. I think there's apps no
reason to coddle these athletes. I certainly when the questions
(42:03):
I asked, I'm not coddling them. If I'm going to
ask a man that question I a male athlete, I
will ask.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
A female athlete.
Speaker 8 (42:08):
Obviously that was something that people got mad about last year.
That's journalism one on one to me, And yes, now
Kaitlyn Clark absolutely can take it.
Speaker 5 (42:17):
Now.
Speaker 8 (42:17):
The question is, though the chief shots the out of
the blue, you don't see them coming, cheap shot, the.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
Freight train kind of thing of Marina Maybray.
Speaker 8 (42:24):
Is that smart to not have them have that punished
by a game or two suspension.
Speaker 6 (42:30):
I'm thinking not.
Speaker 8 (42:32):
With what we talked about before, Colin, the magnitude of
Kitlyn Clark and what she means for this league at
this moment.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, I know the league send messages all the time.
I mean the NFL will change rules in a season,
and I think I said this earlier. I didn't know
what to do with it. Obviously garnered a technical, but
you can make a compelling argument they should probably just
for messaging. They should probably set that player down for
a game or two, just if nothing else, just tone
(43:00):
and messaging. My mom would from time to time when
I was a kid, sit me down just for messaging,
and it was always very effective. So that leagues have
been doing that my entire life. Christine Brennan on her game,
Caitlin Clark and the Revolution in Women's Sports, July eighth.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
It's out. I started it last night, folks.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Last year I called her Taylor Swift in basketball shoes.
This is a new frontier. This is this stuff is incredible.
Think about this. They outdrew the Pacers, and the Pacers
are in the finals, and the Pacers are the fastest
paced NBA team, So they play an incredibly aesthetically pleasing
style of basketball and the Fever outdraw them. That is
(43:43):
in itself remarkable. Christine final thoughts on the book, and
if I'm on the I don't know if I want
to buy it. Tell people kind of where you go
on this. A lot of stuff I've learned early that
I didn't know.
Speaker 6 (43:59):
That was my hope.
Speaker 8 (44:00):
You know, it's a journalistic no holds bard look at
this time, Kate, it's unauthorized, and that's a good things.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
That means that.
Speaker 8 (44:08):
I am not working with Caitlyn. She answered all my questions.
She is amazing. She is as good as you'd hope
she would be, looks you in the eye, answers, everything
goes on for several minutes.
Speaker 6 (44:19):
I write in the book Colin, she's twenty two going
on forty or fifty.
Speaker 8 (44:23):
Remarkable, especially with the issues and the things that were
thrown at her, for sure, and she's kept it up
again this year, and you know, I break a lot
of news more on the Olympic snub that I think
is the worst team selection decision I've ever seen in covering.
Speaker 6 (44:37):
The Opics since the eighties.
Speaker 8 (44:39):
Yeah, and a lot of yeah, thank you and yeah,
I mean it looks worse by the day.
Speaker 6 (44:46):
Obviously, it's a year old now, so.
Speaker 8 (44:47):
We can move on, but it is I think people
will be fascinated by that a lot from Caitlyn's friends.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
You know, Kate Martin got Tamika catchings throughout the book.
Speaker 8 (44:57):
As I mentioned talking about the start of the deb
how tough that.
Speaker 6 (45:02):
Was, how important that was.
Speaker 8 (45:04):
I really tried to touch on every important issue of
this last year and a half at this extraordinary time
in our country.
Speaker 6 (45:13):
And I do think people who follow.
Speaker 8 (45:14):
Her closely will still be very surprised by some of
the things in the book and very proud of it.
And certainly again, Caitlin Clark is a worthy story at
this time. I mean, truly, I think you can make
the case not only is she one of our most
famous athletes, she's one of our most famous Americans period.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
Yeah, you grandmothers and grandfathers in.
Speaker 8 (45:36):
The produce section would never watch that they're looking for
where Ion is or whatever on their TV set to
make sure that they can watch Caitlin Clark play. And
that's a great thing for all those other players to
get that attention as well.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Christine, thank you so much. Good Scenia, you too, Colin,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
That's interesting when she goes remember when they didn't put
her on the Olympic team and I said, folks on
the team, what are you doing? And I got a
lot of pushback, year out of touch, you don't understand.
I said, here's what I understand. Sometimes an artist gets hot, Martin,
(46:13):
you'd know this. You put him, You put him on
the tour. Coachella is like, let's get him in. Well,
I mean they've only sold so many records. Yeah, put
him you just Coachella, get him out there in the desert.
Is not putting her on the Olympics. I'm glad Twisting
Brennan has that take, because ies didn't get that at all.
(46:37):
The league got a little too precious, a little too precious.
All right, j MC, where did you land on that one?
Speaker 3 (46:47):
I'm like the Olympic one? Yeah, oh that was goofy.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
I mean yeah, it goes back. Do you remember stiff
Curry when he zoomed past like Chris Paul and Russell
Westbrook and became like a major phenix in the country.
Everybody knew Steph Curry. There was jealousy and hate for
him from Chris Paul west Westbrook. They were supposed to
be the next great stars and they were anger. I
think the same thing happened.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
With Kaitlin Clark.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
She zoomed past everybody in the league, right, and they
were like, well, we were putting a rookie on the
Olympic team.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Let's settle down.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
Yeah. I got the Christine Brendan book, very excited to
read that thing.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Yeah, you know, we're all in.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
On Kaitlin Clark, Colin She's a big story, like huge.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
That Olympic thing was really polarizing. And again, and I
remember at the time saying, sometimes just don't out think
they're room an. Artists gets hot and athletes get just
make make except people go, well, we don't want to
create a precedence. Kaitlin Clark is the Precedent's there are
no more. There's never been another Tiger Woods. Rory McElroy's
(47:51):
got talent, but he doesn't have Tiger's will and force.
There are no other like like, we may never see
another Mahomes, Josh Ellen's great so is Lamar Mahomes, got
Andy Reid.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
We may never see this again.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Yeah okay, so like a lot of the greatest of
all time, we'll never see a basketball player like Lebron
no way not. Was it eight straight finals or Wayne
Gretzky eight straight MVPs. That's never happening again. But we're
never gonna see that again. Yeah, all right, herdline news
around the corner back in a second.
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