June 26, 2025 • 33 mins
Colin analyzes the first round of the NBA draft telling you who in addition to Duke’s Cooper Flagg will make an immediate impact in their rookie seasons. He shares the 7 un-tradable players in America sports right now and why Lamar Jackson didn’t make the list. He also talks to college basketball analyst Aaron Torres about the landing spots for each of the top prospects from the draft
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
All Right, here we go. It is a Thursday, the
day after the NBA Draft. Everybody's trying to size it up.
We are live. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be
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hanging out with the kids and doing something, you know,
parent and stuff. That's the way it works. And it
was NBA Draft is funny because unlike the NFL Draft,
it's just all projection. Right, You're just kind of you're
kind of guessing because everybody's so young. I don't know
how I you know, it's I don't have a I'm
supposed to have really strong takes. The NBA Draft is
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one of the things that everybody has strong takes on.
In my take is who can tell? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I mean the booklyn Nets had five first round picks.
Everybody who's expecting a trade. They take five guys like
who knows that they're gonna be next year?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
All right? So my take is there's two guys in
this draft that you will see immediately, and that's because
they're going to good teams. Cooper Flag in Dallas. He's
gonna score eighteen to twenty a game, I think, very quickly,
and he'll be on a good team. I think Dallas
is really good. And I think the Jay Edgecomb who
goes to the Sixers, again, it's a good roster, good GM,
good coach. They're gonna he that kid jumps off the television,
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NBA skills, athletic trades. Those guys will play that. Dylan
Harper goes number two. I think he has a great future,
but I think it's gonna take him a while to
kind of figure out He's young, figure out his fit
with San Antonio. But in the ENDFT you are plugging
in holes immediately, often with second, third, fourth, fifth rounders.
That's why with this draft, I can't get too high.
(02:08):
I can't get too low. I mean, for God's sakes,
I'm told Portland drafted me. So who knows. Sga went eleventh,
he was the finals MVP. Jokis went second round, so
did Draymond Green. Giannis went fifteenth. I think Kawhi went fifteenth.
Halliburton went twelfth by Sacramento. So one or two times
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a year, it's not just projection, or if it is,
they go to good teams, you'll see him play. But
if you go back twenty years, there's only been two
number one picks who have been MVPs once, obviously Lebron
and then Derrick Rose. I do think this. I thought
san Antonio kind of crushed it. And my take is
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it used to be in the seventies and eighties, if
you had a dominant center, a Wilt, a Kareem, a
Bill Walton, you could win a championship. And then in
the in the eighties and nineties, it was like even
Michael Jordan needed a Hall of Fame level number two.
You know Shaq and Kobe, and it's Jordan and Pippen,
and it's Duncan and Parker, and then you could stack
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teams for a few years and the NBA didn't like that, right,
Kevin Durant, Steph Ci people didn't like that. Now I
think we've moved into a different area. I would call
it the core four because of the new CBA and aprons.
You can't stack it with all stars. You have to
draft and develop. So, for instance, I would say Indiana's
got Halliburton when he comes back, Pascal Siakham Rim Protector,
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Miles Turner, and m Hart. I think Orlando's got a
really really good core for BN, Caro Wagner, Jalen Suggs,
and they went and got Bane from Memphis, OKC Lou Dort,
who I think is undrafted, Sga chat Holmgren, and Jay Dubbin.
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The Spurs now have a really really good core for
so Wemby's your size, he'll be scoring size block shots.
Stefan Castle is gonna be defense and distribution. And then
they go get Dylan Harper number two. I think by
his second year in the NBA he's gonna be a
real scorer. And then they got Carter Bryant. Carter Bryant's
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the guy I talked about for the last month. He's
the one guy thinks a bit underrated in the draft.
I don't know if Carter Bryant's gonna be a good
NBA score, But that dude is long from Arizona and
he is going to defend Day one like he's disruptive.
But you know, I look at international guys, I look
at domestic guys eighteen years old. Remember, women mature more
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quickly than boys. I mean a lot of parents have
a teenage son. At seventeen, are they going to be
valedictorian or are you gonna be getting him out of juvie?
You really don't know. By fifteen years old, you get
a sense what your daughter is. So I don't know
what to do with the NBA drive. I do think
there's two guys that will come in good teams. Cooper
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Flag VJ. Edgecomb jump off the TV. We all watch
them in March. We all know they can play because
they're on good teams that will make the playoffs. Cooper
will make it in Dallas, Vj'll make it in Philadelphia
in the East. Here's Rick Bettino on both yesterday.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Well, he's physically ready, he's extremely athletic, he shoots the basketball,
he's a tough young man, and he's maybe one of
like three players that are ready to have an impact
right away for the Dallas Mavericks. He's ready for the NBA,
and I think he'll be an impact basketball player right away.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
So you faced VJ. Edgecomb from Baylor. Okay, what did
you see that you like as a pro and is
there anything he needs to work on as a pro? VJ.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Is a tremendous athlete. Fast, he plays way way above
the rim. He's lightning quick in the open court. He's
got an average to jump shot. He needs a lot
of work on his jump shot. But that being said,
most guys when they go to the NBA, from being
the clan non shooters become great shooters by the time
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they're in the second third year in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
So Rick Patino knows hoops. Those are the two guys.
I think next year you'll see him on TV. They're
on playoff teams and they'll score. I want to talk
about Cooper Flag. So actually number one picks in the NBA.
Obviously Anthony Bennett, Markel Foltz were just big misses. But
if you if you go to the last ten domestic
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number one picks, most of them hit Zion Williamson, lack maturity.
Markel Foltz, I don't know what that was. John Wall
to me, was never a winning player. I mean he
wants like in twenty eighteen, left and they went on
a five game winning streak. I thought he was just talented.
But most of these guys Blake Derreck, rose A d
Anthony Edwards, cade Mancarlo is a stud, Kyrie Irving. Most
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of them work. And what's pretty clear. What's really clear
to me, there's only one warning sign that almost Ohwa's
comes to fruition. If a guy's got an attitude. Ben
Simmons very early, yikes, DeAndre Ayton very early, doesn't play
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well with others. This Ace Bailey guy going to Utah
like wouldn't work out for teams. Looked like he was
unhappy getting drafted. Like I know everybody said he could
be the second best player in the draft. But I
don't care about your altitude. I don't care how high
you jump. If I don't like your attitude, it doesn't work.
So if you start looking at number one picks, international
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or domestic, the guys that don't work usually just aren't
ready for the moment. A lot of its maturity, you know,
I mean Zion, he just couldn't control his weight, his
personal life. The Ace Bailey to me, looks like trouble.
My guess is I like Danny Ainge a lot, and
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he was probably too good not to draft. But I
think that's the one thing, the one warning sign to me,
I mean, you got to have more self awareness. You
have not played in the NBA, you haven't even played
a summer league game. And Ace Bailey looks like he's
not interested. But as far as Cooper Flag goes, this
looks like another hit and even more than the NFL
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the number one pick in the draft. There's been a
couple of misses, bad misses. Most of the time it works,
and here's Cooper Flag.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
We excided to be a sponge to get down there
and just learn, be surrounded by you know, Hall of
Fame caliber guys and just to be able to learn
from them and seen him an incredible experience. I feel
so blessed, you know, to be in the position I am,
and just to get down there, like I said, be
a sponge, learn and shining girl my game as much
as I can.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, I I don't know if we're getting better at
the draft. I do think and I'll talk about this later,
and I've talked about this sort of ad nauseum in
the last couple of months. Day is that I do
think you start looking at the picks. It was a
very domestic driven draft. I think you're going to see
more of that because I think what's happening the universities
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in America that make March Badness, the NIL is allowing
them to buy the best European players at seventeen and eighteen,
and the other top players in the college basketball many
maybe three or four, five or sixty a year and
now are staying for another year and not going to
the G League because now the NIL pays more than
the G League and the coaching's better. So I think
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last night's draft, if anything, I don't know if it's
a great draft, but I do think drafts will start
looking more like this. That even if it's an international player,
he'll have played at Oklahoma or Illinois or Michigan or Kentucky,
and I think, let's be honest, that helps. It does
help if you have March Madness or big games at
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Duke or Connecticut or Arizona or Gonzaga and they make television,
it helps your branding part of why we love sports
and the NFL because Tim Tebow, whether he can play
or not, comes into the NFL and he's the number
one jersey seller or Reggie Bush. And I think a
big part of the NFL's advantage over the NBA is
we love the players before they get to pro football.
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So I think last night's draft is the beginning of
a really good trend. We'll have watched almost all these guys,
even the international guys mostly will have seen them in March.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
And you had the great point a couple weeks ago
about the international young teenagers now coming to the US
to play college basketball. And I think branding is also
part of it, in addition to the nil and that
trend of hey, European players at the top of the
draft that nobody knows. Maybe that cycle is over and
now we're transitioning back to American players.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
And listen, I know there's Cooper Flagg's divisive colony.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
People are like comparing him to Christian Leytner and stuff.
I think I don't think people have watched his kid.
He is unbelievable. He is and this attitude you could
hear him in the interview. He's going to be dominant,
and I like Dallas a lot next year.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I don't know. I mean, like listen, Anthony Bennett and
Markel Folts didn't work. But by and large, considering how
little you've seen the guys play before draft night, I mean,
a lot of these guys come out at eighteen. Nbaight
does a pretty good job of nailing their number one picks.
I mean, Blake Griffin probably he was dynamic. Maybe he's
not as good as your thought, but Blake Griffin had
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a great career. He was one of the most talked
about and commercialized players over his career. So there's not
a lot of huge misses, and it's usually an attitude
the Anthony Bennett's one of the few guys that we
were like. And I remember that draft. It was a
horrible draft and nobody knew what to do with it
and it just didn't work. But by and large, basketball
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does a pretty good job of identifying, often at fourteen
years old, Kobe Lebron Luca at fourteen to fifteen, way
before they come into the draft, who the best player is.
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Speaker 1 (12:42):
Okay, now, you were very good. You were a little
bit of a soothsayer on the Team USA. You said, Colin,
slow down, We're gonna fly through the group stage. What
are you predicting for Costa Rica? This is a much
better team. Give me your thoughts.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
Can I just save it for tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
We have a good segment here. I want to get
to it. Okay, okay, okay, So yesterday there was you know,
sometimes you just shouldn't bring stuff up. You could be
on a date you could be in a business meeting,
you could be in the back of an uber like
certain things just don't bring up into the conversation. There's
trigger words, there's things that frighten people. So Stan Kronky
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owns the Rams, great owner Josh Kronky also owns the Nuggets.
Josh Cronky's his son. He's running, he's kind of running
day to day, the Nuggets president, he's running things. So
he was talking about, you know, this was pre draft
and he had this to say. Frightening for us.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
As an organization going into that second apart is not
necessarily something that we're scared of. I think that there
are rules around it that we needed to be very
careful of. With our injury history. The wrong person gets
injured and very quickly you're into a scenario where.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
That I never want to have to contemplate.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
And that's the trading number fifteen.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Don't bring that up in front of Mione, not for
like nine more years. She's the best player in the NBA.
That's one of those things. Don't even complict. You just
gave sports talk radio and Denver four weeks of off
season chatter. Broncos and Jokisch is getting traded, like, don't
say that, And I was saying this. So I was
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talking to the staff yesterday after the show, and I said,
only you'd be amazed how few players are completely untradeable.
So I have the significant seven cannot trade them. Number
one is Caitlin Clark. Literally moved merchandise up five hundred
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and fifty percent for the league. She is not only
the face of the WNBA, she's the greatest face, the
most popular face ever. If Indiana moved off her, and
I'm not joking here, I think the fan base would
absolutely revolt. She's turned the fever and the league around. Untradeable.
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Number two Patrick Mahomes. It's not that he's just talented.
He's the only guy in the last twenty years you're
gonna surpass Brady here, Like we're serious here, Like Brady
picked up the greatest of all time a long time ago, right,
Like is he the guy? Unbelievably marketable? Kansas City was
(15:29):
swooning an average even with Alex Smith and Andy Reid
a one and dinner. Can't trade him. Most talented quarterback
probably and come from behind quarterback even better than Lway.
Second most untradable American athlete and a good guy. Number
three show hey o Tawny, I'm sorry his connection to
the Pacific Rim. He drives road attendance. He is better
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than Babe. He is the best, most talented baseball player
in the history of the sport in a market that
has I think is Dodger Stadium the biggest stadium in baseball.
It's certainly close. It's like fifty six fifty seven thousand.
He makes Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. We live in an
event era. He makes every Dodger game an event completely untradable.
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Sho Heyo Tawny. Number four is the world's best basketball player,
the joker Listen. Denver's a football town. The fact that
they have the best basketball player in the world can't
trade him. I mean, best passing big, best shooting big,
one of the best scoring bigs. Elevates your roster and
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when your coach got fired. He became sort of a
surrogate coast for the Nuggets. I mean they took Oklahoma
City seven and they had no bench outside of Russell Westbrook.
So untradable. Number five is Josh Allen. I know he
didn't have a ring outside of Josh Allen. Outside of
Patrick Mahomes Private Lee. If the Bills called every single
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team in the league and offered him, everybody except Kansas
City should take him. I don't care. I don't care
if it's Cincinnati. Girl's been hurt multiple times. He is
the most physically gifted quarterback in the league's history. And
I was an l Way Zealot. Nothing like him. Six six,
two point fifty, all about team jumps over linebackers. He's
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more talented than Mahomes. He is, he's bigger, he's stronger,
his arms as strong. Number five, Josh Allen. Number six
Aaron Judge. Aaron Judge is so great that if the
Dodgers called and said you want Otawni for Judge, they
wouldn't do it. They wouldn't do it, and they shouldn't.
He is so unique. He's a mountain man. He's six six' sixty.
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Seven he's a great. Guy he's by far and, away
he's the only guy outside Of otawni that a casual
baseball fan would probably pay to. See he's got A
Paul bunyan esque kind of gravatas most home. Runs he's
already a record center most home runs In American league
history for a season sixty. Two And i'm. Serious if
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The dodgers, said will give you O tawni For, judge
they wouldn't move off. Him he is a beloved player
and number seven you're gonna think this is. CRAZY i
think It's Jaden. DANIELS i think he is our next
superstar in THE. NFL i thought last year was the
greatest rookie season by. Far he took over a laughing
stock for fifteen twenty years of, franchise, relevance, maturity arm
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movement to the nation's. Capital there is an argument over
the next twenty years they're going to Become Kansas city
in THE. Nfc that kid was bizarrely good as a.
Rookie you could not trade. Him so J mackham only doing,
seven you're going to bring? UP i do think there's
a number eight that you're gonna jump. On i'm not
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gonna put it in. There who's the first one that
jumps out To it's not on?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
It, Okay So i'll throw a bunch of guys at.
You we got some time. Here let me just start
with the guy who just won THE nba, title right
with THE mvp of the league scoring leader FINALS mvp
wanted To he's In hallo.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
TERRITORY. Sga i'm just gonna. Start do you think he's?
Tradable if The Denver nuggets called and, said we'll trade
you nice, Title Yo kic FOR, sga you would be a.
MORON i get six eleven and a, half a better,
passer a mountain, man the only guy in the. League
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draymond Green is said in his career wave The White.
Flag there is no Way Anthony davis can't defend. Him
draymon can't. DO sga had three bad games on the five,
FINE i want to lay.
Speaker 9 (19:48):
UP i.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
WOULD i would largely AGREE sga is not on this. List,
Okay but if that's your, Measure, jokic would you do
the trade?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
One? Yama you do that in our peas twenty or
fifteen years of? Winning? Okay, okay when he has already
missed forty games with The Blood. Clubs what forty more?
Interesting that's what people said About chris Bosh. Oh he
went from An All star to out of the. League
big guys get, hurt blood clots for taller. Players DO
i Think wemby's going to be? Great, yeah he's seven to.
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Four nobody is really supposed to be built to be
seven to four and play the style and pace of THE.
NBA i think he's going to be. Great but IF
i told you he had another injury this, year he
is seven to, Four so you, say, well, well, well,
yo get you seven feet he's two hundred and seventy five. Pounds,
WELL i don't.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Know Caitlin clark's hurt for the second time in two.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Weeks maybe maybe we had.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Her to the list because there is no history of
guards being. Heard let's Go Joe. Burrow you're telling me
that angled one more injury and you have to draft
a quarterback In? Cincinnati are you?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Serious, yes you think The bengals would actually Trade Joe
burrow second game of the YEAR Acl taeler For Joe.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Burrow you are drafting another. QUARTERBACK i got big list, Here.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Janis he does that.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Injury so what other carter are you gonna?
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Play?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, ye down the injury and can't hit a free throw? Late,
NO i mean does not have a jump, shot and
what if they can't get out of the first. Round
since his best teammates left can't get out of the.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
First, round he waited forty years After jabbar to win a.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Title jannis brought it to.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
Him he makes them relevant and.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
You need to get out of the first round in The.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
East let me hit you With Lamar, jackson who's kind
of a.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Divisive play, Again Josh allen has lost playoff, games but
has played. Brilliantly the criticism Of lamar is totally. Fair
he has struggled in the. Postseason If buffalo called today and, said, Hey,
baltimore you Want, josh you make the deal, immediately you
may AND i Love, lamar you make the deal. Immediately.
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Speaker 1 (22:04):
RIGHT a guy that watches as much college basketball as
ANYBODY i know In. Jmack jmack is the college basketball
officionado on this show And Aaron Torres Fox Sports. Radio
he has The Aeron Torres sports podcast is joining. Us
i'll start with. It i'm gonna ask you about four
or five.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
Guys, sure So.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Ace bailey AND i said, this if you go look
at top picks that don't, MAKE nba does a pretty
good job of, IDENTIFYING i, mean with sometimes just eighteen
nineteen year old kids in THE. Nfl it's. EASIER i
get four or five years of. Tape you're a more mature.
Player you're getting eighteen year olds From. Yugoslavia you don't.
KNOW i, mean you really don't are the former you, Know,
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Yugoslava so you just don't. Know and so my take
is WHEN i Watch Ace, Bailey i'm, Like, okay you're,
great But rutgers couldn't make the. Tournament you wouldn't work
out for. ANYBODY i, mean, like not a lot of self.
Awareness last. Night you watched, him you know? Him are
there red? Flags what do you make of him as
a player and as a? Prospect, yeah first of, ALL i.
Speaker 8 (23:09):
Appreciate you having.
Speaker 9 (23:10):
ME i don't know if this is the last show
you're doing before you ship out To portland.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
Or, whatever BUT i hope you had a good night
last night at your draft party. There.
Speaker 9 (23:18):
Colin So Ace, bailey, listen the whole situation is. Weird
i'll be totally. Honest you, KNOW i didn't love the
Whole i'm only gonna work out for certain. Things, NOW
i THINK i understand the concept of he's a high volume.
Guy you don't want to go to the wrong, team
sit on the, bench not set yourself up to get
the second.
Speaker 8 (23:36):
Contract BUT i also think that, like once that.
Speaker 9 (23:39):
HAPPENS i don't blame The jazz for drafting a guy
totally based on upside that if it hits like it
isn't an insane, possibility like it isn't a completely unrealistic
possibility that he ends up the best player in the.
Draft and so you, know The jazz are one of these.
TEAMS i don't think the rebuild has been quite as
long as we think it, is but it feels like
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it's been like four or five. Years they've been waiting
to get in position to get that. Guy and if
you have the opportunity to get the potentially first second
best player in this draft at number six where they were,
drafting you just have to take. Advantage SO i didn't
Love Ace bailey's approach to. THIS i would have personally
advised him to handle it. Differently but once he's there
and you're The Utah jazz and you just cannot get
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into that top spot or, TWO i don't blame them
for taking the upside.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Pick, okay his Teammate Dylan harper And Carter bryant go
to The SPURS i, Said i'm not going to PRETEND i,
know but it does feel like they're going to be
part of their core, four With wemby being obviously the.
Centerpiece give me a little On Dylan harper and a
little On Carter. Bryant, WELL i love.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
The, draft and you KNOW i put out a tweet
at some point last night that this feels like if
it hits WHERE okc was four years, ago is you've
got all these.
Speaker 8 (24:54):
Picks and, AGAIN i also give The spurs.
Speaker 9 (24:56):
Credit they might not be drafting frankly in the lot
for literally like a. Decade if this goes, well they
won't be drafting this high for a long. Time so
don't get, cute don't take just take the best player
available and hope that he absolutely hits In Dylan harper
AND i think there's an argument that he was the best.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
Player, again you could argue somebody, Else Ace, bailey. Whatever
the guy THAT i.
Speaker 9 (25:16):
Am excited About, colin And i'm so fired up that
you feel the same. Way Carter bryan to, me If
Carter briant, HITS i think he's going to be a true.
Star AND i know everybody wants to look at the
stats At. Arizona i'll give a little. Background you, KNOW
i Love Tommy. LLOYD i love this. STAFF i hope
this doesn't come off as a, criticism but they are a.
Program you. Know Tommy lloyd's A Mark fu. Guy Mark
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feu relies on his, veterans trust his. Veterans Tommy lloyd
comes from that. Tree AND i Think Tommy, LLOYD i,
think planned on Easing Carter brian in and all of
a sudden it's, like oh my, god this guy's way
better than we. Realized and now all of a, sudden
you're kind, of you, know stuck in this spot of
he's playing better than your aarticipating the Point i'm trying to.
Make don't look at the. Stats the analogy THAT i
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have made On Carter BRIAN i truly. Believe i've said
this a million times for people who have listened to.
ME i was At yukon at the same time As Rudy.
Gay Carter bryant reminds me so much Of Rudy gay
at the same. Age AND i know some people will, say,
Oh Rudy, gay what is. That Rudy gay played in
THE nba for eighteen. Years Rudy gay retired last year
at thirty eight years.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
Old, like don't Let lebron fool.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
You if you are playing until you're thirty eight years,
old it means you had a very GOOD nba. Career
AND i think if it Hits Carter bryan as one
of the two three four best players in this. Draft
SO i love The Dylan harper, pick BUT i really
love The Carter briant pick as.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Well, Yeah i've been saying for two weeks when you
Turned arizona on certain college, players you're, like, oh, okay,
wow who's that? Guy the other, kid The baylor KID Vj. Edgecombe,
okay we all Watched baylor top. Program that. Kid now
stylistically he's Not westbrook but Burst speed Jet fuel while
(26:53):
he jumped off THE tv WHEN i watched. Him your
thoughts one thousand.
Speaker 9 (26:57):
Percent first of, All i'll say this About carter going
back To Carter brian for half a, SECOND i was
in the same boat as.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
YOU i had seen him in high.
Speaker 9 (27:03):
School you turn on that first Second arizona and you're,
like oh my, goodness this guy is better than we.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
Expected but in terms Of edgecomb is.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Concerned So i'm with, You colin And i'll say this
is that you know, myself a lot of people were
kind of critical of the draft coverage last. NIGHT i
thought they actually did a good job of explaining kind
of this weird situation That philadelphia is in where it's,
like IF mbat is, healthy you're sort of a, contender
especially with where The east is going to be next,
year but also you're sort of in a rebuild because
m beat is never.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
Healthy so what do you?
Speaker 9 (27:30):
Do AND i Think edgecomb is exactly what you just,
said is he's an elite a plus plus athlete that
is learning the game of basketball in real. Time BUT
i think in a worst case, scenario you have a
guy that shows up to work every, day, competes plays,
hard elite, defender and then it just comes down to
can he consistently get that? Offense AND i think with,
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him AND i think you kind of mentioned this off the,
top sometimes it's just so. TOUGH i, mean this is
an eighteen year old kid going into A baylor program
that has always had, success but also with a cup
well you, know high ups or not high, upside but
really kind of veteran transfer type, guys and you, know
he kind of didn't know not in a negative, way
but didn't really know where he fed how you, know
how how far could he push? Things and SO i
(28:12):
think he could be just JUST i think in a
worst case, scenario you're getting an elite defensive, player elite,
athlete guy that shows up every day and if the offense.
CLICKS i Know i've said it about four different guys
in this, draft but, again he's another one that in,
theory could be one of the two or three best
players in the.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Draft, okay a guy that's already AN nba shooter Is
Trey johnson who went To. Washington, now not a lot
of college guys are elite. Shooters can this guy walk
into THE nba and walk in in average double figures
and be like a like a like a number two
or three scoring option for a. Team.
Speaker 9 (28:43):
YEAH i was talking to Your texas Insider Greg tooey
BEFORE i came on, here AND u, two we loved
watching him as a.
Speaker 8 (28:50):
LONGHORN i loved watching. Him let me let me just
keep it very.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
Simple when you are breaking some Of Kevin durant's freshman
scoring record To, texas like you can put the ball
in the basket, Right and ALL i would say is is,
that you, know anybody who isn't sold or doesn't know
enough about. Him he played a game at Bud wall
And arena Against arkansas where he did literally Break Kevin
durant's single game scoring record of he had forty. Two
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durant had forty when he played At, texas and he
just showed every, shot every.
Speaker 8 (29:19):
This every that and the.
Speaker 9 (29:20):
Thing i'll give him credit for, too a little bit Like,
edgecumbe but not really is you know he. Was he
was playing, on, frankly not a very good. TEAM i
Know texas made the, tournament but they had this weird.
RESUME sec gets a million teams in and he showed
up every day ready to, Play AND i, thought you,
know they're on a big losing. Streak it's easy as a,
freshman you know you're going pro take the night. Off
he showed up every single day ready to. Compete you,
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Know i'll be, HONEST i don't know that he does
much other than. Score but, listen every team in every
team in THE nba needs a dude that can put
the ball in the basket and.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
Trade johnson certainly provides.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
That, Finally Cooper. Flag is there anything about his game
that you does he have a trade or something he
has to work.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
On it's a great.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
QUESTION i actually don't think so as crazy as. That, now,
listen everybody's got to work on. Everything the THING i
caution With Cooper flag IS i think when we think
of these high upside freshmen that have been talked about for,
years we just assume it's a dude that's gonna come
in and, score you, know thirty points a, night or
his ceiling is a thirty point nine.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
Score that's not really who he.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
Is he's a great, facilitator you, know six foot, eight
six foot ninety, average however many assists he did At.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
Duke he is a great wing. DEFENDER i love.
Speaker 9 (30:29):
THAT i was saying that right as the wing defense
shows up on film AND i look like a. Genius but,
no he's a great wing. Defender he's a great help side.
Defender he's just a complete. Player AND i think until
you watch him game after, game you don't fully appreciate.
THAT i think the assumption is you turn it, on
you want to see him score. Thirty he can do,
that but that is not where he's at his. Best
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he's at his best playing both ends of the, floor
competing defending on the, wing help side.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
DEFENSE i just think he's going to be an absolute.
Speaker 9 (30:57):
Start AND i think the cool thing is maybe he's
not a guy that can get thirty points, game but
with that specific, team he doesn't have.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
To, yeah THE i like the fact there were so
many domestic, players AND i think THE nil is Helping
american universities poach some of the Great european. Players The
bulls got a guy That i'm you, know he's so
raw you can't really. Tell IS i, mean there's always
there's always a guy or two that we got about
a minute. Left is there a player you're worried? About
(31:24):
there's always gonna be guys that don't. WORK i, mean
are some of these young. GUYS i, MEAN i was
just reading all the draft prospective stuff last night and this.
Morning any anybody that you worry.
Speaker 8 (31:33):
About first of, All i'll just say this really.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
QUICK i love the take that you've had about AND
nil helping both college basketball and THE. NBA i think
there are about four or five guys that could have
heard their names late first round that all decided to
go back to college get ready for next. Year and
next year's class is loaded as far as guys that
THAT i do worry a little bit. About, LISTEN i
heard you, know billis all you know fired up About
(31:57):
Colin Murray boyles at number nine there To, toronto and
certainly it didn't seem like he was excited to go To.
Toronto i'll let everybody do the lip reading on the
on the draft video.
Speaker 8 (32:07):
Two is he's like an undersized four not crazy. ATHLETIC i.
Speaker 9 (32:11):
Don't it's one of those where everybody else is so
excited about, him you feel like you being, me feel
like you're.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
Supposed to be excited about. HIM i don't know That
i'm there.
Speaker 9 (32:18):
Yet he's the one GUY i just didn't really get
in the top. Ten but, again maybe Maybe i'm just
missing out on it and everybody else has the right
take on.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Him oh by the, way thirty seconds The Walter clayton,
KID i don't love him as much as everybody, else
the kid that went To. Florida, yeah the Guard. YEAH
i THINK i don't. KNOW i JUST i think he's
a is He is he your fifth best? Starter i've
got all everybody loves. IT i love his. Story i'm
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in it. Left how good is he gonna? Be?
Speaker 8 (32:49):
Now great? Question And, LISTEN i love college.
Speaker 9 (32:52):
Hoops i'm as guilty as anybody have fallen in love
with guys that have an awesome. Tournament, uh, listen maybe
it is one of those stories better than the actual
reality of. It we're talking about a kid who started
his career AT iona With Rick. Patino Rick patino goes
To Saint, John's Todd golden convinces him to go To.
FLORIDA i think he's a dude that can get. Buckets now,
again you see a guy DOMINATING ncaa, tournament you assume
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he's gonna be a top five, pick and that translates
to THE nba as a six,' two six' three guy
that isn't really, a ball.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
HANDLER you know i think he's more of an off.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
The bench Score but the wizards JUST need like, nba
CALIBER players and i think they Got One.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
In.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
Walter clay yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
That's to me he's like your, fifth best starter first
guy off the bench. Gets a bucket there's huge value,
in the league but he's. NOT a star i just.
Love His story aaron. Torres gotta go it's, Great. Seeing
you bud thank.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
You For having Me. Colin, Enjoy, portland
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Okay yeah thank, YOU very much i will
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
All Right, here we go. It is a Thursday, the
day after the NBA Draft. Everybody's trying to size it up.
We are live. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be
and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us
part of your day. Jmac, good to have you back.
John Middlecoff, build in great guy. Jmack is back after
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hanging out with the kids and doing something, you know,
parent and stuff. That's the way it works. And it
was NBA Draft is funny because unlike the NFL Draft,
it's just all projection. Right, You're just kind of you're
kind of guessing because everybody's so young. I don't know
how I you know, it's I don't have a I'm
supposed to have really strong takes. The NBA Draft is
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one of the things that everybody has strong takes on.
In my take is who can tell? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I mean the booklyn Nets had five first round picks.
Everybody who's expecting a trade. They take five guys like
who knows that they're gonna be next year?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
All right? So my take is there's two guys in
this draft that you will see immediately, and that's because
they're going to good teams. Cooper Flag in Dallas. He's
gonna score eighteen to twenty a game, I think, very quickly,
and he'll be on a good team. I think Dallas
is really good. And I think the Jay Edgecomb who
goes to the Sixers, again, it's a good roster, good GM,
good coach. They're gonna he that kid jumps off the television,
(01:46):
NBA skills, athletic trades. Those guys will play that. Dylan
Harper goes number two. I think he has a great future,
but I think it's gonna take him a while to
kind of figure out He's young, figure out his fit
with San Antonio. But in the ENDFT you are plugging
in holes immediately, often with second, third, fourth, fifth rounders.
That's why with this draft, I can't get too high.
(02:08):
I can't get too low. I mean, for God's sakes,
I'm told Portland drafted me. So who knows. Sga went eleventh,
he was the finals MVP. Jokis went second round, so
did Draymond Green. Giannis went fifteenth. I think Kawhi went fifteenth.
Halliburton went twelfth by Sacramento. So one or two times
(02:30):
a year, it's not just projection, or if it is,
they go to good teams, you'll see him play. But
if you go back twenty years, there's only been two
number one picks who have been MVPs once, obviously Lebron
and then Derrick Rose. I do think this. I thought
san Antonio kind of crushed it. And my take is
(02:52):
it used to be in the seventies and eighties, if
you had a dominant center, a Wilt, a Kareem, a
Bill Walton, you could win a championship. And then in
the in the eighties and nineties, it was like even
Michael Jordan needed a Hall of Fame level number two.
You know Shaq and Kobe, and it's Jordan and Pippen,
and it's Duncan and Parker, and then you could stack
(03:15):
teams for a few years and the NBA didn't like that, right,
Kevin Durant, Steph Ci people didn't like that. Now I
think we've moved into a different area. I would call
it the core four because of the new CBA and aprons.
You can't stack it with all stars. You have to
draft and develop. So, for instance, I would say Indiana's
got Halliburton when he comes back, Pascal Siakham Rim Protector,
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Miles Turner, and m Hart. I think Orlando's got a
really really good core for BN, Caro Wagner, Jalen Suggs,
and they went and got Bane from Memphis, OKC Lou Dort,
who I think is undrafted, Sga chat Holmgren, and Jay Dubbin.
(04:00):
The Spurs now have a really really good core for
so Wemby's your size, he'll be scoring size block shots.
Stefan Castle is gonna be defense and distribution. And then
they go get Dylan Harper number two. I think by
his second year in the NBA he's gonna be a
real scorer. And then they got Carter Bryant. Carter Bryant's
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the guy I talked about for the last month. He's
the one guy thinks a bit underrated in the draft.
I don't know if Carter Bryant's gonna be a good
NBA score, But that dude is long from Arizona and
he is going to defend Day one like he's disruptive.
But you know, I look at international guys, I look
at domestic guys eighteen years old. Remember, women mature more
(04:43):
quickly than boys. I mean a lot of parents have
a teenage son. At seventeen, are they going to be
valedictorian or are you gonna be getting him out of juvie?
You really don't know. By fifteen years old, you get
a sense what your daughter is. So I don't know
what to do with the NBA drive. I do think
there's two guys that will come in good teams. Cooper
(05:05):
Flag VJ. Edgecomb jump off the TV. We all watch
them in March. We all know they can play because
they're on good teams that will make the playoffs. Cooper
will make it in Dallas, Vj'll make it in Philadelphia
in the East. Here's Rick Bettino on both yesterday.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Well, he's physically ready, he's extremely athletic, he shoots the basketball,
he's a tough young man, and he's maybe one of
like three players that are ready to have an impact
right away for the Dallas Mavericks. He's ready for the NBA,
and I think he'll be an impact basketball player right away.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
So you faced VJ. Edgecomb from Baylor. Okay, what did
you see that you like as a pro and is
there anything he needs to work on as a pro? VJ.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Is a tremendous athlete. Fast, he plays way way above
the rim. He's lightning quick in the open court. He's
got an average to jump shot. He needs a lot
of work on his jump shot. But that being said,
most guys when they go to the NBA, from being
the clan non shooters become great shooters by the time
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they're in the second third year in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
So Rick Patino knows hoops. Those are the two guys.
I think next year you'll see him on TV. They're
on playoff teams and they'll score. I want to talk
about Cooper Flag. So actually number one picks in the NBA.
Obviously Anthony Bennett, Markel Foltz were just big misses. But
if you if you go to the last ten domestic
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number one picks, most of them hit Zion Williamson, lack maturity.
Markel Foltz, I don't know what that was. John Wall
to me, was never a winning player. I mean he
wants like in twenty eighteen, left and they went on
a five game winning streak. I thought he was just talented.
But most of these guys Blake Derreck, rose A d
Anthony Edwards, cade Mancarlo is a stud, Kyrie Irving. Most
(07:00):
of them work. And what's pretty clear. What's really clear
to me, there's only one warning sign that almost Ohwa's
comes to fruition. If a guy's got an attitude. Ben
Simmons very early, yikes, DeAndre Ayton very early, doesn't play
(07:21):
well with others. This Ace Bailey guy going to Utah
like wouldn't work out for teams. Looked like he was
unhappy getting drafted. Like I know everybody said he could
be the second best player in the draft. But I
don't care about your altitude. I don't care how high
you jump. If I don't like your attitude, it doesn't work.
So if you start looking at number one picks, international
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or domestic, the guys that don't work usually just aren't
ready for the moment. A lot of its maturity, you know,
I mean Zion, he just couldn't control his weight, his
personal life. The Ace Bailey to me, looks like trouble.
My guess is I like Danny Ainge a lot, and
(08:05):
he was probably too good not to draft. But I
think that's the one thing, the one warning sign to me,
I mean, you got to have more self awareness. You
have not played in the NBA, you haven't even played
a summer league game. And Ace Bailey looks like he's
not interested. But as far as Cooper Flag goes, this
looks like another hit and even more than the NFL
(08:27):
the number one pick in the draft. There's been a
couple of misses, bad misses. Most of the time it works,
and here's Cooper Flag.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
We excided to be a sponge to get down there
and just learn, be surrounded by you know, Hall of
Fame caliber guys and just to be able to learn
from them and seen him an incredible experience. I feel
so blessed, you know, to be in the position I am,
and just to get down there, like I said, be
a sponge, learn and shining girl my game as much
as I can.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, I I don't know if we're getting better at
the draft. I do think and I'll talk about this later,
and I've talked about this sort of ad nauseum in
the last couple of months. Day is that I do
think you start looking at the picks. It was a
very domestic driven draft. I think you're going to see
more of that because I think what's happening the universities
(09:17):
in America that make March Badness, the NIL is allowing
them to buy the best European players at seventeen and eighteen,
and the other top players in the college basketball many
maybe three or four, five or sixty a year and
now are staying for another year and not going to
the G League because now the NIL pays more than
the G League and the coaching's better. So I think
(09:39):
last night's draft, if anything, I don't know if it's
a great draft, but I do think drafts will start
looking more like this. That even if it's an international player,
he'll have played at Oklahoma or Illinois or Michigan or Kentucky,
and I think, let's be honest, that helps. It does
help if you have March Madness or big games at
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Duke or Connecticut or Arizona or Gonzaga and they make television,
it helps your branding part of why we love sports
and the NFL because Tim Tebow, whether he can play
or not, comes into the NFL and he's the number
one jersey seller or Reggie Bush. And I think a
big part of the NFL's advantage over the NBA is
we love the players before they get to pro football.
(10:25):
So I think last night's draft is the beginning of
a really good trend. We'll have watched almost all these guys,
even the international guys mostly will have seen them in March.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
And you had the great point a couple weeks ago
about the international young teenagers now coming to the US
to play college basketball. And I think branding is also
part of it, in addition to the nil and that
trend of hey, European players at the top of the
draft that nobody knows. Maybe that cycle is over and
now we're transitioning back to American players.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
And listen, I know there's Cooper Flagg's divisive colony.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
People are like comparing him to Christian Leytner and stuff.
I think I don't think people have watched his kid.
He is unbelievable. He is and this attitude you could
hear him in the interview. He's going to be dominant,
and I like Dallas a lot next year.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I don't know. I mean, like listen, Anthony Bennett and
Markel Folts didn't work. But by and large, considering how
little you've seen the guys play before draft night, I mean,
a lot of these guys come out at eighteen. Nbaight
does a pretty good job of nailing their number one picks.
I mean, Blake Griffin probably he was dynamic. Maybe he's
not as good as your thought, but Blake Griffin had
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a great career. He was one of the most talked
about and commercialized players over his career. So there's not
a lot of huge misses, and it's usually an attitude
the Anthony Bennett's one of the few guys that we
were like. And I remember that draft. It was a
horrible draft and nobody knew what to do with it
and it just didn't work. But by and large, basketball
(11:53):
does a pretty good job of identifying, often at fourteen
years old, Kobe Lebron Luca at fourteen to fifteen, way
before they come into the draft, who the best player is.
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Speaker 1 (12:42):
Okay, now, you were very good. You were a little
bit of a soothsayer on the Team USA. You said, Colin,
slow down, We're gonna fly through the group stage. What
are you predicting for Costa Rica? This is a much
better team. Give me your thoughts.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
Can I just save it for tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
We have a good segment here. I want to get
to it. Okay, okay, okay, So yesterday there was you know,
sometimes you just shouldn't bring stuff up. You could be
on a date you could be in a business meeting,
you could be in the back of an uber like
certain things just don't bring up into the conversation. There's
trigger words, there's things that frighten people. So Stan Kronky
(13:23):
owns the Rams, great owner Josh Kronky also owns the Nuggets.
Josh Cronky's his son. He's running, he's kind of running
day to day, the Nuggets president, he's running things. So
he was talking about, you know, this was pre draft
and he had this to say. Frightening for us.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
As an organization going into that second apart is not
necessarily something that we're scared of. I think that there
are rules around it that we needed to be very
careful of. With our injury history. The wrong person gets
injured and very quickly you're into a scenario where.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
That I never want to have to contemplate.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
And that's the trading number fifteen.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Don't bring that up in front of Mione, not for
like nine more years. She's the best player in the NBA.
That's one of those things. Don't even complict. You just
gave sports talk radio and Denver four weeks of off
season chatter. Broncos and Jokisch is getting traded, like, don't
say that, And I was saying this. So I was
(14:21):
talking to the staff yesterday after the show, and I said,
only you'd be amazed how few players are completely untradeable.
So I have the significant seven cannot trade them. Number
one is Caitlin Clark. Literally moved merchandise up five hundred
(14:43):
and fifty percent for the league. She is not only
the face of the WNBA, she's the greatest face, the
most popular face ever. If Indiana moved off her, and
I'm not joking here, I think the fan base would
absolutely revolt. She's turned the fever and the league around. Untradeable.
(15:08):
Number two Patrick Mahomes. It's not that he's just talented.
He's the only guy in the last twenty years you're
gonna surpass Brady here, Like we're serious here, Like Brady
picked up the greatest of all time a long time ago, right,
Like is he the guy? Unbelievably marketable? Kansas City was
(15:29):
swooning an average even with Alex Smith and Andy Reid
a one and dinner. Can't trade him. Most talented quarterback
probably and come from behind quarterback even better than Lway.
Second most untradable American athlete and a good guy. Number
three show hey o Tawny, I'm sorry his connection to
the Pacific Rim. He drives road attendance. He is better
(15:51):
than Babe. He is the best, most talented baseball player
in the history of the sport in a market that
has I think is Dodger Stadium the biggest stadium in baseball.
It's certainly close. It's like fifty six fifty seven thousand.
He makes Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. We live in an
event era. He makes every Dodger game an event completely untradable.
(16:16):
Sho Heyo Tawny. Number four is the world's best basketball player,
the joker Listen. Denver's a football town. The fact that
they have the best basketball player in the world can't
trade him. I mean, best passing big, best shooting big,
one of the best scoring bigs. Elevates your roster and
(16:38):
when your coach got fired. He became sort of a
surrogate coast for the Nuggets. I mean they took Oklahoma
City seven and they had no bench outside of Russell Westbrook.
So untradable. Number five is Josh Allen. I know he
didn't have a ring outside of Josh Allen. Outside of
Patrick Mahomes Private Lee. If the Bills called every single
(17:03):
team in the league and offered him, everybody except Kansas
City should take him. I don't care. I don't care
if it's Cincinnati. Girl's been hurt multiple times. He is
the most physically gifted quarterback in the league's history. And
I was an l Way Zealot. Nothing like him. Six six,
two point fifty, all about team jumps over linebackers. He's
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more talented than Mahomes. He is, he's bigger, he's stronger,
his arms as strong. Number five, Josh Allen. Number six
Aaron Judge. Aaron Judge is so great that if the
Dodgers called and said you want Otawni for Judge, they
wouldn't do it. They wouldn't do it, and they shouldn't.
He is so unique. He's a mountain man. He's six six' sixty.
(17:49):
Seven he's a great. Guy he's by far and, away
he's the only guy outside Of otawni that a casual
baseball fan would probably pay to. See he's got A
Paul bunyan esque kind of gravatas most home. Runs he's
already a record center most home runs In American league
history for a season sixty. Two And i'm. Serious if
(18:10):
The dodgers, said will give you O tawni For, judge
they wouldn't move off. Him he is a beloved player
and number seven you're gonna think this is. CRAZY i
think It's Jaden. DANIELS i think he is our next
superstar in THE. NFL i thought last year was the
greatest rookie season by. Far he took over a laughing
stock for fifteen twenty years of, franchise, relevance, maturity arm
(18:35):
movement to the nation's. Capital there is an argument over
the next twenty years they're going to Become Kansas city
in THE. Nfc that kid was bizarrely good as a.
Rookie you could not trade. Him so J mackham only doing,
seven you're going to bring? UP i do think there's
a number eight that you're gonna jump. On i'm not
(18:57):
gonna put it in. There who's the first one that
jumps out To it's not on?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
It, Okay So i'll throw a bunch of guys at.
You we got some time. Here let me just start
with the guy who just won THE nba, title right
with THE mvp of the league scoring leader FINALS mvp
wanted To he's In hallo.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
TERRITORY. Sga i'm just gonna. Start do you think he's?
Tradable if The Denver nuggets called and, said we'll trade
you nice, Title Yo kic FOR, sga you would be a.
MORON i get six eleven and a, half a better,
passer a mountain, man the only guy in the. League
(19:36):
draymond Green is said in his career wave The White.
Flag there is no Way Anthony davis can't defend. Him
draymon can't. DO sga had three bad games on the five,
FINE i want to lay.
Speaker 9 (19:48):
UP i.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
WOULD i would largely AGREE sga is not on this. List,
Okay but if that's your, Measure, jokic would you do
the trade?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
One? Yama you do that in our peas twenty or
fifteen years of? Winning? Okay, okay when he has already
missed forty games with The Blood. Clubs what forty more?
Interesting that's what people said About chris Bosh. Oh he
went from An All star to out of the. League
big guys get, hurt blood clots for taller. Players DO
i Think wemby's going to be? Great, yeah he's seven to.
(20:16):
Four nobody is really supposed to be built to be
seven to four and play the style and pace of THE.
NBA i think he's going to be. Great but IF
i told you he had another injury this, year he
is seven to, Four so you, say, well, well, well,
yo get you seven feet he's two hundred and seventy five. Pounds,
WELL i don't.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Know Caitlin clark's hurt for the second time in two.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Weeks maybe maybe we had.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Her to the list because there is no history of
guards being. Heard let's Go Joe. Burrow you're telling me
that angled one more injury and you have to draft
a quarterback In? Cincinnati are you?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Serious, yes you think The bengals would actually Trade Joe
burrow second game of the YEAR Acl taeler For Joe.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Burrow you are drafting another. QUARTERBACK i got big list, Here.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Janis he does that.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Injury so what other carter are you gonna?
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Play?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, ye down the injury and can't hit a free throw? Late,
NO i mean does not have a jump, shot and
what if they can't get out of the first. Round
since his best teammates left can't get out of the.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
First, round he waited forty years After jabbar to win a.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Title jannis brought it to.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
Him he makes them relevant and.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
You need to get out of the first round in The.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
East let me hit you With Lamar, jackson who's kind
of a.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Divisive play, Again Josh allen has lost playoff, games but
has played. Brilliantly the criticism Of lamar is totally. Fair
he has struggled in the. Postseason If buffalo called today and, said, Hey,
baltimore you Want, josh you make the deal, immediately you
may AND i Love, lamar you make the deal. Immediately.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Sorry be sure to catch live editions Of The herd
weekdays and Noone easter not an. Emphassive all.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
RIGHT a guy that watches as much college basketball as
ANYBODY i know In. Jmack jmack is the college basketball
officionado on this show And Aaron Torres Fox Sports. Radio
he has The Aeron Torres sports podcast is joining. Us
i'll start with. It i'm gonna ask you about four
or five.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
Guys, sure So.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Ace bailey AND i said, this if you go look
at top picks that don't, MAKE nba does a pretty
good job of, IDENTIFYING i, mean with sometimes just eighteen
nineteen year old kids in THE. Nfl it's. EASIER i
get four or five years of. Tape you're a more mature.
Player you're getting eighteen year olds From. Yugoslavia you don't.
KNOW i, mean you really don't are the former you, Know,
(22:46):
Yugoslava so you just don't. Know and so my take
is WHEN i Watch Ace, Bailey i'm, Like, okay you're,
great But rutgers couldn't make the. Tournament you wouldn't work
out for. ANYBODY i, mean, like not a lot of self.
Awareness last. Night you watched, him you know? Him are
there red? Flags what do you make of him as
a player and as a? Prospect, yeah first of, ALL i.
Speaker 8 (23:09):
Appreciate you having.
Speaker 9 (23:10):
ME i don't know if this is the last show
you're doing before you ship out To portland.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
Or, whatever BUT i hope you had a good night
last night at your draft party. There.
Speaker 9 (23:18):
Colin So Ace, bailey, listen the whole situation is. Weird
i'll be totally. Honest you, KNOW i didn't love the
Whole i'm only gonna work out for certain. Things, NOW
i THINK i understand the concept of he's a high volume.
Guy you don't want to go to the wrong, team
sit on the, bench not set yourself up to get
the second.
Speaker 8 (23:36):
Contract BUT i also think that, like once that.
Speaker 9 (23:39):
HAPPENS i don't blame The jazz for drafting a guy
totally based on upside that if it hits like it
isn't an insane, possibility like it isn't a completely unrealistic
possibility that he ends up the best player in the.
Draft and so you, know The jazz are one of these.
TEAMS i don't think the rebuild has been quite as
long as we think it, is but it feels like
(24:01):
it's been like four or five. Years they've been waiting
to get in position to get that. Guy and if
you have the opportunity to get the potentially first second
best player in this draft at number six where they were,
drafting you just have to take. Advantage SO i didn't
Love Ace bailey's approach to. THIS i would have personally
advised him to handle it. Differently but once he's there
and you're The Utah jazz and you just cannot get
(24:23):
into that top spot or, TWO i don't blame them
for taking the upside.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Pick, okay his Teammate Dylan harper And Carter bryant go
to The SPURS i, Said i'm not going to PRETEND i,
know but it does feel like they're going to be
part of their core, four With wemby being obviously the.
Centerpiece give me a little On Dylan harper and a
little On Carter. Bryant, WELL i love.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
The, draft and you KNOW i put out a tweet
at some point last night that this feels like if
it hits WHERE okc was four years, ago is you've
got all these.
Speaker 8 (24:54):
Picks and, AGAIN i also give The spurs.
Speaker 9 (24:56):
Credit they might not be drafting frankly in the lot
for literally like a. Decade if this goes, well they
won't be drafting this high for a long. Time so
don't get, cute don't take just take the best player
available and hope that he absolutely hits In Dylan harper
AND i think there's an argument that he was the best.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
Player, again you could argue somebody, Else Ace, bailey. Whatever
the guy THAT i.
Speaker 9 (25:16):
Am excited About, colin And i'm so fired up that
you feel the same. Way Carter bryan to, me If
Carter briant, HITS i think he's going to be a true.
Star AND i know everybody wants to look at the
stats At. Arizona i'll give a little. Background you, KNOW
i Love Tommy. LLOYD i love this. STAFF i hope
this doesn't come off as a, criticism but they are a.
Program you. Know Tommy lloyd's A Mark fu. Guy Mark
(25:37):
feu relies on his, veterans trust his. Veterans Tommy lloyd
comes from that. Tree AND i Think Tommy, LLOYD i,
think planned on Easing Carter brian in and all of
a sudden it's, like oh my, god this guy's way
better than we. Realized and now all of a, sudden
you're kind, of you, know stuck in this spot of
he's playing better than your aarticipating the Point i'm trying to.
Make don't look at the. Stats the analogy THAT i
(25:58):
have made On Carter BRIAN i truly. Believe i've said
this a million times for people who have listened to.
ME i was At yukon at the same time As Rudy.
Gay Carter bryant reminds me so much Of Rudy gay
at the same. Age AND i know some people will, say,
Oh Rudy, gay what is. That Rudy gay played in
THE nba for eighteen. Years Rudy gay retired last year
at thirty eight years.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
Old, like don't Let lebron fool.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
You if you are playing until you're thirty eight years,
old it means you had a very GOOD nba. Career
AND i think if it Hits Carter bryan as one
of the two three four best players in this. Draft
SO i love The Dylan harper, pick BUT i really
love The Carter briant pick as.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Well, Yeah i've been saying for two weeks when you
Turned arizona on certain college, players you're, like, oh, okay,
wow who's that? Guy the other, kid The baylor KID Vj. Edgecombe,
okay we all Watched baylor top. Program that. Kid now
stylistically he's Not westbrook but Burst speed Jet fuel while
(26:53):
he jumped off THE tv WHEN i watched. Him your
thoughts one thousand.
Speaker 9 (26:57):
Percent first of, All i'll say this About carter going
back To Carter brian for half a, SECOND i was
in the same boat as.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
YOU i had seen him in high.
Speaker 9 (27:03):
School you turn on that first Second arizona and you're,
like oh my, goodness this guy is better than we.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
Expected but in terms Of edgecomb is.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Concerned So i'm with, You colin And i'll say this
is that you know, myself a lot of people were
kind of critical of the draft coverage last. NIGHT i
thought they actually did a good job of explaining kind
of this weird situation That philadelphia is in where it's,
like IF mbat is, healthy you're sort of a, contender
especially with where The east is going to be next,
year but also you're sort of in a rebuild because
m beat is never.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
Healthy so what do you?
Speaker 9 (27:30):
Do AND i Think edgecomb is exactly what you just,
said is he's an elite a plus plus athlete that
is learning the game of basketball in real. Time BUT
i think in a worst case, scenario you have a
guy that shows up to work every, day, competes plays,
hard elite, defender and then it just comes down to
can he consistently get that? Offense AND i think with,
(27:51):
him AND i think you kind of mentioned this off the,
top sometimes it's just so. TOUGH i, mean this is
an eighteen year old kid going into A baylor program
that has always had, success but also with a cup
well you, know high ups or not high, upside but
really kind of veteran transfer type, guys and you, know
he kind of didn't know not in a negative, way
but didn't really know where he fed how you, know
how how far could he push? Things and SO i
(28:12):
think he could be just JUST i think in a
worst case, scenario you're getting an elite defensive, player elite,
athlete guy that shows up every day and if the offense.
CLICKS i Know i've said it about four different guys
in this, draft but, again he's another one that in,
theory could be one of the two or three best
players in the.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Draft, okay a guy that's already AN nba shooter Is
Trey johnson who went To. Washington, now not a lot
of college guys are elite. Shooters can this guy walk
into THE nba and walk in in average double figures
and be like a like a like a number two
or three scoring option for a. Team.
Speaker 9 (28:43):
YEAH i was talking to Your texas Insider Greg tooey
BEFORE i came on, here AND u, two we loved
watching him as a.
Speaker 8 (28:50):
LONGHORN i loved watching. Him let me let me just
keep it very.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
Simple when you are breaking some Of Kevin durant's freshman
scoring record To, texas like you can put the ball
in the basket, Right and ALL i would say is is,
that you, know anybody who isn't sold or doesn't know
enough about. Him he played a game at Bud wall
And arena Against arkansas where he did literally Break Kevin
durant's single game scoring record of he had forty. Two
(29:15):
durant had forty when he played At, texas and he
just showed every, shot every.
Speaker 8 (29:19):
This every that and the.
Speaker 9 (29:20):
Thing i'll give him credit for, too a little bit Like,
edgecumbe but not really is you know he. Was he
was playing, on, frankly not a very good. TEAM i
Know texas made the, tournament but they had this weird.
RESUME sec gets a million teams in and he showed
up every day ready to, Play AND i, thought you,
know they're on a big losing. Streak it's easy as a,
freshman you know you're going pro take the night. Off
he showed up every single day ready to. Compete you,
(29:42):
Know i'll be, HONEST i don't know that he does
much other than. Score but, listen every team in every
team in THE nba needs a dude that can put
the ball in the basket and.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
Trade johnson certainly provides.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
That, Finally Cooper. Flag is there anything about his game
that you does he have a trade or something he
has to work.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
On it's a great.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
QUESTION i actually don't think so as crazy as. That, now,
listen everybody's got to work on. Everything the THING i
caution With Cooper flag IS i think when we think
of these high upside freshmen that have been talked about for,
years we just assume it's a dude that's gonna come
in and, score you, know thirty points a, night or
his ceiling is a thirty point nine.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
Score that's not really who he.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
Is he's a great, facilitator you, know six foot, eight
six foot ninety, average however many assists he did At.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
Duke he is a great wing. DEFENDER i love.
Speaker 9 (30:29):
THAT i was saying that right as the wing defense
shows up on film AND i look like a. Genius but,
no he's a great wing. Defender he's a great help side.
Defender he's just a complete. Player AND i think until
you watch him game after, game you don't fully appreciate.
THAT i think the assumption is you turn it, on
you want to see him score. Thirty he can do,
that but that is not where he's at his. Best
(30:50):
he's at his best playing both ends of the, floor
competing defending on the, wing help side.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
DEFENSE i just think he's going to be an absolute.
Speaker 9 (30:57):
Start AND i think the cool thing is maybe he's
not a guy that can get thirty points, game but
with that specific, team he doesn't have.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
To, yeah THE i like the fact there were so
many domestic, players AND i think THE nil is Helping
american universities poach some of the Great european. Players The
bulls got a guy That i'm you, know he's so
raw you can't really. Tell IS i, mean there's always
there's always a guy or two that we got about
a minute. Left is there a player you're worried? About
(31:24):
there's always gonna be guys that don't. WORK i, mean
are some of these young. GUYS i, MEAN i was
just reading all the draft prospective stuff last night and this.
Morning any anybody that you worry.
Speaker 8 (31:33):
About first of, All i'll just say this really.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
QUICK i love the take that you've had about AND
nil helping both college basketball and THE. NBA i think
there are about four or five guys that could have
heard their names late first round that all decided to
go back to college get ready for next. Year and
next year's class is loaded as far as guys that
THAT i do worry a little bit. About, LISTEN i
heard you, know billis all you know fired up About
(31:57):
Colin Murray boyles at number nine there To, toronto and
certainly it didn't seem like he was excited to go To.
Toronto i'll let everybody do the lip reading on the
on the draft video.
Speaker 8 (32:07):
Two is he's like an undersized four not crazy. ATHLETIC i.
Speaker 9 (32:11):
Don't it's one of those where everybody else is so
excited about, him you feel like you being, me feel
like you're.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
Supposed to be excited about. HIM i don't know That
i'm there.
Speaker 9 (32:18):
Yet he's the one GUY i just didn't really get
in the top. Ten but, again maybe Maybe i'm just
missing out on it and everybody else has the right
take on.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Him oh by the, way thirty seconds The Walter clayton,
KID i don't love him as much as everybody, else
the kid that went To. Florida, yeah the Guard. YEAH
i THINK i don't. KNOW i JUST i think he's
a is He is he your fifth best? Starter i've
got all everybody loves. IT i love his. Story i'm
(32:46):
in it. Left how good is he gonna? Be?
Speaker 8 (32:49):
Now great? Question And, LISTEN i love college.
Speaker 9 (32:52):
Hoops i'm as guilty as anybody have fallen in love
with guys that have an awesome. Tournament, uh, listen maybe
it is one of those stories better than the actual
reality of. It we're talking about a kid who started
his career AT iona With Rick. Patino Rick patino goes
To Saint, John's Todd golden convinces him to go To.
FLORIDA i think he's a dude that can get. Buckets now,
again you see a guy DOMINATING ncaa, tournament you assume
(33:14):
he's gonna be a top five, pick and that translates
to THE nba as a six,' two six' three guy
that isn't really, a ball.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
HANDLER you know i think he's more of an off.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
The bench Score but the wizards JUST need like, nba
CALIBER players and i think they Got One.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
In.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
Walter clay yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
That's to me he's like your, fifth best starter first
guy off the bench. Gets a bucket there's huge value,
in the league but he's. NOT a star i just.
Love His story aaron. Torres gotta go it's, Great. Seeing
you bud thank.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
You For having Me. Colin, Enjoy, portland
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Okay yeah thank, YOU very much i will
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