July 21, 2025 • 35 mins
Colin discusses Scottie Scheffler winning the Open Championship adding a 4th major championship win to his resume but calls for people to slow down on the comparisons to Tiger Woods. He tells you why he was right about the Steelers & TJ Watt but wrong about the Dodgers. 3-time Pro Bowl QB Matt Hasselbeck joins the show to tell Colin why all the pressure this season is going to be on quarterback Caleb Williams
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
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stopping by a lot of choices out there. Jmac, it
is I love my golf majors, and I especially love
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a golf major when a dominant player could be byteson De'shamba,
who by the way, has last three rounds. You absolutely
on fire Rory or a guy who maybe not that
is a fascinating but dominating Scotty Scheffler. So I want
to start with that, Jay MC. There's a lot of
talk yesterday because Scotty Scheffler wins and really pulled away,
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played great early in the final round, pulled away from
the other world class golfers. And people are saying, Man,
this fields like Tiger Woods. No, it doesn't. And I
love Scotty Scheffler. They have one thing in common. Scotty
Scheffler right now in his prime and Tiger in his prime,
felt like they were absolutely better than even the second
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best golfer in the world. And if both were hitting
their putts, and Tiger almost always was, if they go
into the final round with a lead, you're not catching them.
That's what they have in common. But Tiger was much
longer off the tee, and golf equipment's actually improved. He
was forty yards off the tee longer sometimes and Scheffler's
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about three to three ten sometimes. Tiger was three sixty
three seventy. Secondly, Tiger is the best iron player I've
ever seen in my life. Maybe there's somebody better, I'm
not sure. And Tiger was consistently on the tour in
his prime, unbelievable lag putter and an unbelievable big tournament,
big pot star. Scheffler's gotten way better at that, but
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he can struggle, at least he did previously. So I
mean they were talking about Tiger proofing courses. It was
ridiculous Scheffler. Again, there's a difference, Scotty. Scheffler doesn't intimidate
other golfers. He just beats them. Tiger Woods, the galleries,
the fist pump. He leaned into it much more Michael Jordan.
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He'd taught you at the free throw line. They were
trying to Tiger proof courses. But you couldn't do anything. Okay,
let's make it longer. That played the Tiger's advantage. So
Scheffler is ruling golf to me. Tiger revolutionized it. Tiger
was MJ or Mike Tyson in his prime. He intimidated
other great fighters, other NBA All stars, and again Tiger
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loved it like MJ loved taunting you. Scheffler's more Tim Duncan, reserved,
avoids mistakes, fundamentally strong business like now that he's got
the putting going, if he leads on Sunday, it's over.
But Tiger made you feel like you wanted to go out.
He had so much alpha. You'd watch Tiger play and
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you wanted to go to the driving range. You wanted
to grab your clubs and go play. I mean Scotty Scheffler.
He said it last week. You know, I don't get
much out of winning. He's a little bit of a buzzkill.
I loved Tim Duncan, but he never wanted me made
me want to go grab a basketball when I was
a kid. If you watched a great player, you'd want
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to go out in the backyard and shoot. That's not Scheffler.
So it's like Lebron. Lebron got to eight straight finals,
but he never felt like he quite had the MJ
killer instinct, the MJ juice, the MJ. I mean, think
about this, they're both at twenty nine. Tiger had ten
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majors and forty six wins. Shefferd's got four and seventeen.
Phil Mickelson is a legend, an all time great golfer.
He's got forty five career wins. Tiger had forty six
in his twenties. So again, there's a difference between ruling
golf and revolutionizing it. There's a difference between winning and intimidating.
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And I think that is when you can get into
other golfers or other fighters, or other UFC fighters' heads.
That's Tiger Scott. He's just great. And now that he's
got his putting going. If he leads going into Sunday,
that thing felt over by his third hole, You're like, yeah, yeah,
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it's over. I think even he afterwards after the Open win,
acknowledged that.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I still think they're a bit silly. You know, Tiger
won what fifteen majors? It's my fourth? Could you got
one fourth of the way there? So just I mean
it's I think Tiger stands alone in the game of golf.
I don't focus on that kind of stuff. That's not
what motivates me. I'm not not motivated by winning championship.
I feel like what motivates me is just getting out
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and you know, get getting to love out my dream.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, Scotty Scheffler's great. Tiger was obsessed, and there is
something about the athletes in our time. Brady obsessed with football, obsessed.
Josh Allen's pretty good. Is he obsessed? I don't know,
but but but Brady's obsession slash intensity was kind of intimidating.
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I mean, I grew up with John Elway. I was
a Seahawk fan. If you grew up and you led
in Lway got the ball, it was deflating. You knew
the outcome that was Brady. So I don't feel that
with't I never felt that with Aaron Rodgers. Who's good.
It's a coin flip. Will he come back? I win
or not? It's coin flip, Brady, it's over. Get in
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the car, Warm the car, up, start the car. And
I think that intensity of Tiger is just different than
anything I've ever seen. Okay, so esbn's analytic writers, this
is data. It's not necessarily opinions driven by data. Ranked
the NFL rosters going into a season now, A lot
of it's predictable. At the top, it's Baltimore, Philly, Detroit, Buffalo,
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Kansas City, you know a lot of that stuff. Bottom,
you know, it's your Saints and your Giants and your Jets, whatever.
But what's really interesting to me is smack dab in
the middle, right, smack dab in the middle, Green Bay
Packers fourteen, Chicago Bears fifteen. Even though the Packers have
dominated that rivalry, it's a great rivalry. It is a
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great rivalry. NFC North is up for grabs. And if
the NFL between the Packers and Bears is a head
coach and quarterback league, and it is that, it's Matt
Laflor and Jordan Love against Ben Johnson, another off coach,
and another athletic quarterback, Caleb Williams. That is great for
one of the NFL's best rivalry. And I think what
makes Caleb Williams so fascinating and why the Bears are
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going to be such a great watch. Nobody disputes his talent, arm, athleticism, escapability,
and toughness. I have a general manager in my kind
of source group who's a critic of Caleb Williams. Doesn't
know what the outcome is going to be. He acknowledges tough, big,
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explosive arm, and insanely evasive. Nobody disputes that. What it
really comes down to Caleb Williams is coachability, creative, strong.
Those are traits we know. That's great, But all of
the things he struggles with are improvable, are coachable. He
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holds arm the ball too long, you can coach your
way out of that. He misses laps easy stuff, You
can coach your way out of that. Sometimes I think
he plays a little hero ball from time to time.
You can coach your way out of that. You can't
get bigger and stronger and faster that's not gonna work.
So all of his traits are correctable and coachable. And
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I mean, I'll give you an example. Pocket presence. Well,
Lamar Jackson came into the NFL with none, and now
he's excellent. He is. Lamar Jackson is not only a
great athlete, he's clearly smart and coachable. He did not
have much of a pocket presence. He just ran and escaped.
He knows what he's doing in the pocket. Now he's
a real has been for years. Josh Allen accuracy was
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like inaccurate at Wyoming, inaccurate in the NFL. Now he's
very accurate. That's coachable, size, arm moving around, dynamic is
not so. When you look at bo Nicks, he's either
going to be good, which he is now, or very good.
When you look at Jayden Daniels, he's either going to
be great or a legend. There is such a wide
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range of outcome. For Caleb Williams, it's going to be
amazing or wow, that didn't work. You have this huge
range of outcomes and that's why I think last year
the Bears were a fascinating team. In fact, Jmack called
him the most interesting team in the league to start
the year, but it was mostly because of the dysfunction
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and the potential for an inferno, and it was engulfed
early this year. It's not about dysfunction. It's really about
the roster's good. It's as good as the packers. The coach,
he knows what he's doing. He's offensive. Oh no, they
shore up the offensive line. It really comes down to
can Caleb take to coaching, cape take to developing, which
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I think is much easier when you're less talented. I
think if you have a marginal singing voice, you understand
the value of your singing. Coach, I think is the
hardest people to coach, and they love the coaching, but
it's hard when somebody's truly gifted. Andy Reid Mahomes, when
do you pull back? When do you get out of
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the way? When do you let him do what he
just sort of does? That's hard, it's easy, and I
think Kirk Cousins knows. I'm going to follow the playbook here,
I'm going to follow the coaching. I've got limitations. I
think it's really hard to coach Mahomes. That goes against
what you think, because like when do you coach and
when do you just get out of the way. And
you gotta sometimes with Caleb get out of the way.
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I've talked about this before. He had a moment against
Arizona in college. I think it was his first year
at USC. It may have been a second where he
was on the sideline. It was fourth quarter, late in
the game, may have been overtime. There were like six
Arizona Wildcats around him and it ended up being a
good Bowl team for Arizona. It was six on one
and they couldn't get it and it was the most
It was a video game. So you know that's why.
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By the way, Steve Kerr is a great coach because
he took the coaching. Therefore he adapted a nose coaching.
Michael Jordan wasn't a great GM Magic wasn't a great coach.
Some of it's just I just got this skill and
it leads me to the right place in crisis. All right,
j Mac. A lot of things going on this week.
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Look WNBA players, Oh, I find that story actually well,
I actually I think there's a real argument that the
WNBA players are going to win negotiations. I wouldn't do
it the way they're doing it. Well, I you know,
the T shirt stuff. It's not the end of the world.
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It's kind of silly, but I do think, but I
do think there's something to be said. Even if you
lose money for a company for ten years, if you're
at the end of your ten year contract and you
finally start making money, do you want to bail on
the investment? Like it doesn't matter what they did for
the last twenty five years. In the last year, the
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growth of the WNBA due to Kaitlin Clark is so sensational.
What are you gonna do? Bail on your investment? It's
finally paid off? So what do you do if you're
the NBA. So I want to talk about that and
also a reality. People aren't gonna like to hear this
in a certain part of the country, but it's true
and that's coming up.
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Speaker 1 (13:27):
Man hour one on a Monday flew by We are live.
We're in Chicago. It is the Herd. Good stuff with
Matt Hassel back in about four or five minutes. Training
camps are underway. Training camps are different depending on the roster.
You got a young team and there's a couple of
them out there. Very interesting stuff. J Mac. You know,
I was thinking about this. We talked about the Big
ten overtake on the SEC, and a lot of it
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is the Big Ten campuses. There's more students, they graduate,
it's easier to raise nil money. If you look at
the top two teams in the SEC now nil spending
Sistern Texas A and M. That's not the SEC, that's
Texas economy. And so if you look at the Big Ten,
Oregon's got money, USC's got money, Michigan's got money, Ohio
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State's got money. It's different. Those are bigger schools, more graduates,
and I think that's why the Big Ten is going
to win its third straight national championship. Facilities used to matter.
Now it's about paying the players, and the Big Ten
can just consistently have fewer players poached and pay more
elite players.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Yeah, by the way, do you remember early last year.
I think it was like August in early September, a
lot of SEC teams were losing games, and I think
we talked about it at the time in the SEC fans, Oh,
it's early, we're going to be fine.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
They're definitely not fine.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
I thought your car dealership point first hour was really
spot on, Like car dealership money.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Is great free NIL.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Now in the NIL ere there's so much bigger money
at play with some of these other universities. The Texas
Tech example, colin It got a few billionaire.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, if you took the long Horns in the AGGI
he's out of the SEC. The gap in spending between
the big ten and the SEC would be even larger. Mean,
it's like the Longhorns in A and M. That's the
Texas economy. The Texas economy, it's one of the biggest
economies in the world. It's a monster. That's a whole
different ballgame. Saban knew this very early when the NIL
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money started. He grumbled year one. You go back and
look at those quotes, and I said it on the air.
He is grumbling because he sees the truth. He can't compete.
Sark's roster second year of the NIL was Nicks roster
three years earlier. Bigger, stronger, faster guys. Here we go
on a Monday, Colin Wright, Colin wrong. Let's roll it
where Colin was right? Oh, the offensively tone dev Steelers
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Mike Tomlin can't help himself, gave TJ. Watt the biggest
non quarterback contract in the league. They will once again
lead the NFL in defensive spending. It's not the player,
but they paid Jalen Ramsey, they played Darius Slay, they
paid TJ. Watt. Yet they can't get their offensive line right.
They let Najee Harris go. It's not that Mike Tomlin's
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on a good coach. This organization spends too much money.
Billy doesn't, Rams, don't Niners let defensive guys go. Kansas
City doesn't pay defense. Pittsburgh does.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Just when I gave the WNBA players credit for in
a private poll naming Kitlin Clark is the face of
the league going forward. And then Kelsey Plumb comes out
takes a shot at Caitlin Clark because her team wasn't
present for you know, the meetings they're having regarding the negotiations.
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She said, it was a very powerful moment. Wearing those
T shirts. But she said, you know, nobody from team
Caitlyn Clark was present. Can we stop? You guys are
flying private. There's one reason, Caitlin Clark, somebody joined the
band that's roly popular. You're traveling in style. Give it
a break. Where Colin was right, NFL executives, scouts and
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coaches last week ranked Jalen Hurts ninth best quarterback in
the NFL. That's what I've said. Character, leadership, playmaking, strength excellent.
Love him, but from the pocket. After a week five
by the Eagles coaching staff reduced a number of passes
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thrown per game to twenty four and they were a
better offense. Nobody's doing that for Mahomes or Josh Allen.
I can like a player, but say, yeah, there's limitations.
Greg co Selz been saying this for a year. I
love Jalen Hurts, He's not an elite pocket thrower. Consistently,
Where Colin was right, well, I said, Penn State I've
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set up for the last month is the best team
in the Big Ten. It's not Ohio State, even though
the Buckeys have the best offensive player and the best
defensive player and Ryan Day Penn State was just awarded
the media poll over Ohio State as the best team
in the conference. My prediction is at Penn State Texas
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National Championship. I'll figure out at the time who wins it.
But I think the Big Ten we've been on it
for a year has overtaken the SEC is the best program.
And the fact that Penn State gets higher rated by
the media that knows those programs over the Buckeyes. We'll
bring back the best two players in the sport says something.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I sold my Shader Sanders stock after two speeding tickets.
I'm like, bro, you're a quarterback and you're a fifth
round pick. You got to have more self awareness. But
Mary K. Cabot reported this week that because he performed
so well at camp, he has a legitimate chance to
win the starting job. So perhaps I bailed a little
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early where Colin was right. The ESPN rankings of the
top rosters this year in the NFL, seven of the
top twelve are NFC. This is something we started talking
about last year. There was about a three year period
where the gap between the AFC and the NFC was noticeable.
But if you watched the NFL last year roster composition.
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I thought the NFC had more elite rosters. I thought
Philadelphia's roster was the best, Detroit's was second, Baltimore's third.
Seven of the top twelve are NFC and Oh, by
the way, the NFC forty eight and thirty three against
the AFC last year.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
What a shocker. Only one NFL team hasn't signed their
first round pick, and it's the always cheap Cincinnati Bengal.
Shamar Stewart is the holdout. I've said it for years.
Zach Tater gets criticized by a lot of people in
the NFL. H that's all Joe Burrow. He's got the
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cheapest owner there are owners. I don't love the guy
down in Miami, but he spends the facilities are a
free agents love Miami. One team can't finalize their deal
with the first round pick, the Cincinnati Bengals. That's why
Joe burrows al was picked off where Colin was rowed.
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The Dodgers have hit one ninety eight as a team
in their last ten games. Last in baseball, they're two
and ten in their last twelve, just swept by the Brewers.
Mookie Betts is in the worst slum of his career.
They moved Otani out of the leadoff spot. The pitching
too many injuries. I thought, this lineup, I believe that.
At the time, I said, you can make an argument
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after Otani, Mookie Betts is the best player in baseball.
This is the best batting order I have seen since
the seventy five Reds. They officially can't hit where Colin
was right. Well, Bradley Beal went to the Clippers and
Jason McIntyre said, it's the kind of move that will
shift the paradigm of the NBA. Well, I looked at
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the odds makers. They were plus two two thousand pre
trade plus two thousand Clippers post trade. Oldest roster in
the NBA with Brook Lopez and Bradley Beal just got older.
The Bradley Beal acquisition did not make a dent in
the Clippers' futures, despite the admiration of one Jason McIntyre
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and with that our friend I love having them on
the show. It's a Monday, It's Matt Hasselbeck eighteen year
NFL season. So I said last hour, everybody acknowledges how
good Sean McVay is and how great Andy Reid is
and the hardbass. But I don't think we quite understand
what Peyton has done in Denver. They lost two first
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round picks to get Ross. He inherited that the dead
cap situation was before DeShawn Watson, like the worst contract
in the league. You got Herbert and Harbaugh, Mahomes and
Red and they made the playoffs with bo Nicks. And
my take is not all coaches are great with personnel, Matt,
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but this roster is really good. I think you said
this about a month ago on this show. You're high
on Denver, are you not?
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Yeah, I'm very high Colin.
Speaker 8 (22:16):
I kind of wonder if people are holding his big
loss in that championship game in the Home Team movie.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
When was it him or Kevin James.
Speaker 8 (22:23):
I don't know when he was the offensive coordinator and
lost the twelve year old championship.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
You know what I'm talking. You don't watch movies, so
you don't know.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
But now listen, Denver I think is a major threat.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
In the AFC West. We're gonna be talking about what
a great coaching division.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
This is the head coaches guys that have hoisted Lombards
three out of the four. But you and everyone's gonna
want to crown Kansas City.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
I get that.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
I like them too, But he has something special in Bonittz.
He knows exactly what he is looking for in a quarterback.
It's those same exact traits that his quarterback Drew Brees had.
This defense might be the best defense in the NFL.
There's certainly a candidate for that that award. And then
they go out and get Evan Ingram. They've got a
running back by committee kind of a fire and ice,
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lightning and thunders sort of situation.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
There, a great offensive line.
Speaker 8 (23:10):
My concern or question would be like, what do they
have firepower wise, consistency wise at the wide receiver position.
I thought they were pretty good last year, but I
thought they might have overachieved, you know, can they continue
to improve and grow in that area? But to me,
Sean Payton knows exactly what it takes. Everyone believes in him,
and if that thing gets rolling in Denver, that home
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field advantage is real just as well.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
So that's a team to watch in my mind.
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Speaker 1 (23:41):
Well, you know. I think another reason why people pushback
on Peyton is because Andy Reid rarely says something, rarely
steps in it. Sean McVay doesn't Shanahan. You know the
kind of PC up front. You know Sean's not Sean
goes after people. And the truth is, I think people
inside the league know how good he is. But Sean
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has alienated some people because he is I mean, I
know Sean, that's his personality. He's totally authentic. He's like
a little bit like Jim Harbaugh ten years ago. Half
the league hated Harball, half revered him. I think that's
part of the Peyton dynamic.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Do you yeah and listen.
Speaker 8 (24:21):
I think also people were surprised when it didn't work
out with Russell Wilson. I wasn't really surprised because I
know what kind of coach Sean Payton is, known him
for a long time. He knows exactly what he wants
and exactly how it wants it, how he wants it
so like he's not looking to hear like, oh what
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are you comfortable with, mister quarterback?
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Like he doesn't care. He's like, listen, hop on board,
follow me, it's gonna work.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
And so like last year as an example, I think
they did a lot of things that Bnix was comfortable with, Like, hey, listen,
I would like I think Sean Payton almost thought.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
Of it this way. I would prefer if you were
under center more.
Speaker 8 (25:01):
But since this is year one for you, we'll go gun,
We'll go shotgun more for you. But in year two, like,
we're going to do it more my way. We're going
to be under center more. We're gonna do a lot
of the things that I like to do. And I
don't think he's very multiple, Like I don't think he
wants to move off his spot, which is totally fine
when you're Sean Payton, and I think that could be
a rub with a veteran quarterback that's done it differently.
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That's why I think having bo Nicks is just so great.
He's got a maturity because of how much you played
in college, but he also has kind of this moldability
of a young player.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
So I think camps are different based on your personnel.
I do think there are teams like Kansas City Reid Mahomes,
Kelsey now they have to rework their offensive line. But
Chris Jones, now those defensive players who were young three
years ago. They know the system with Spags. So like
Kansas City, the preseason to me feels kind of irrelevant,
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just st a healthy your thought. Are there a couple
of teams you look at and think, yeah, the next
three weeks matter a lot.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
Detroit?
Speaker 8 (26:04):
I mean, I don't think we're understanding how hard it's
going to be for Detroit to overcome all the losses.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
That they've had. I mean, they've losing your offensive and
defensive coordinator.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
That's not nothing, you know, not really being sure who
the five starters are up front, Like.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
That's not nothing.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
Now listen, they get an extra week, they get an
extra preseason, you know, they get with the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Game and all that. But now they're also battling that
like sort of attrition.
Speaker 8 (26:29):
So I think that still like to me, the teams
that have a lot of change. You know, there's other
teams around the league that have a lot.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Of new pieces.
Speaker 8 (26:36):
I'll say, like the New England Patriots as an example,
maybe the you know, maybe the Pittsburgh Steelers. People that
have new people and so having time on task is
also important.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Like Aaron Rodgers showed up late. Is it a big deal? Like, no,
it's not a big deal.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
But this is this is not what training camp was
like when I first got into the NFL. When I
first got into the NFL, you know, you'd hear players
talk in the locker room. They'd say, Hey, I'm gonna
play myself into shape in training camp, and I got
the preseason.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
By the start of the season, I'll be in shape.
Like that's just not how it is anymore.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
Like the it's it's it's OTA's it's it's many mini camp,
it's that off season time, the five or six weeks
before training camp, it's training camp, it's joint practices. So
it's it's it's a different NFL. And when you're not
in pads until like this short window in training camp
with one A days not two A days, I think
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it's tougher for continuity for coordinators and olignemen.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
So this question is one that you can singularly answer
that I really can't. So I said, one of the
things that's fascinating. If I look at Jaden Daniels, I
could say from just one year, he's either going to
be really good or a legend. I look at bow
Nicks and I'm like, he's either going to be good
or really good may not be a legend. I look
(27:55):
at Caleb Williams and there's a lot of outcomes wow
or yeah, this didn't work at all. And because there
are some habits he holds on the ball too long,
he kind of misses on some easy stuff. You were
one of the few people that came out last year
and said it's not all the coaches some of this.
But here's my thing, Matt, I think his flaws are correctable.
(28:19):
Like Lamar Jackson got really good in the pocket. His
pocket presence, it wasn't good the first two years, it's
really good the last three. Josh Allen accuracy bad to
really good. I think that's Caleb. I think he is
his weaknesses are coachable. A do you agree? And what
(28:39):
will you see in the first month that could concern
you with all this new staff and all these new players.
Speaker 8 (28:46):
Yeah, I agree that those things are fixable. I would
also say the guys you mentioned Lamar and Josh Allen,
they were other worldly and elite in something else as
you work through some of their maturity as their young
quarterback growing up. I think the thing for Caleb is
that the excuses are now gone, like they have done
a great job. Ryan Pols has done a great job
(29:08):
of building this roster around him, building this coaching staff
around him.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
Now it's all up to him to.
Speaker 8 (29:14):
Be a fulfillment of what they thought he was going
to be when they made him the first pick.
Speaker 7 (29:18):
Overall, he's got everything that he needs.
Speaker 8 (29:20):
He's got the maybe the premiere quarterback whisperer coming out
that was available this year.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
He's got everything he needs. I think the thing that's.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
Going to happen for him this year, the pressure and
the heat will turn up on him. If guys like
Jaden Daniels and Bo Nicks and Drake May and JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
And some of these other guys in his draft class.
Speaker 8 (29:41):
Do really really well fair or not fair, that'll be
the standard that he gets measured against.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
So, you know, I think as those.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
Guys go, I think that'll have a that'll have an
effect on you know, what people think about Caleb in
year two.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
So Nick Saban, there's there's two people I trust, Lane
Kiffin and Greg McElroy, who both hinted at Saban returning.
I don't think he's going back to college because nil money.
Universities now have to raise fifteen million for Nil, they'd
have to buy out their coach pay Saban. It'd be
one hundred million dollar check. And outside of Texas, I
don't think anybody or Phil Knight Nike money could afford that.
(30:19):
So I think he's going to go to the NFL.
Do you think it would work this time for Saban?
Speaker 7 (30:26):
Yeah, I think it could work.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
Like the reality of the NFL is that most of
the guys in the NFL, most of the players are
in years one, two or three. It's a very young
league right now. You have some outliers, some quarterbacks, some
guys that are old, but the most of the roster
is young. So he would know these guys maybe as
well as anybody, and I think the respect is certainly there.
The challenge in my mind for a guy like that
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going from Alabama to the NFL, You're not going to
have a better roster than all the guys you play like,
that's just not going to be the fact.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
You know, that's not going to be how it is
in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
And then the other thing is like understanding how to
deal with a franchise quarterback in the NFL is going
to be very different than college. You can't necessarily talk
to him that way. You can't go musical chairs. If
you feel like switching a guy at halftime. It rarely
works in the NFL, So I think that would probably
be the biggest adjustment. But in terms of respect, knowledge
of the game, the staff that he could acquire, I mean,
(31:20):
it would be Belichick esque in my mind if you
were to get him as an NFL head coach.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
All right, finally, Aaron Rodgers forty one, go to your
last two camps. What was the advantage of being the
old guy in camp and what was the disadvantage?
Speaker 8 (31:36):
Well, the big perk I remember I was, I got
my own bet, I got two twin beds moved together
next to Adam VENITII, who was the oldest guy on
the team.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
I was the second guy, second oldest, but between me,
Vinnie and Reggie Wayne, like the old guys get that perk,
you know.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
I think camps are just so different now, like for
Aaron Rodgers. You know, I remember Brett Farv was older
in his career. When I first started, we through twice
a day. Two a days were a thing. Now with
the new CBA, there is no such thing as to today.
So for a thrower training camp's really not that hard.
You throw once a day, and like I've said many times,
like for Aaron Rodgers this year, he can make all
(32:14):
the throws, Like when he's fifty years old, he'll be
able to make all the throats.
Speaker 7 (32:18):
What has to change for him is in his mind.
Speaker 8 (32:22):
He probably thinks he can move around in the pocket
like he always could, and that's just not the case.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
He cannot.
Speaker 8 (32:27):
He's not as he's not as mobile, he's not. He
doesn't have that as capability. So he's gonna have to
change his game and rely basically, I would say, much
more just on his brain, his eyes, and his arm
and this sort of forget the legs part of it.
And I think that's why Tom Brady did such a
great job late in his career, because he never really
relied on his legs or escapability. You're moving too far
(32:48):
out of the pocket. That'll be an adjustment for a
rod He can certainly do it. But again, you kind
of almost just got to flip your mind a little
bit and win a different way.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
You know, you're you're still have in Nashville, right, correct. Okay,
I was sitting this weekend and somebody on the internet,
I apologize. I forget who it was, but they said,
in the last twenty years, has there ever been a
number one pick that has gotten less publicity and discussion
than cam Ward? And I'm like, oh my god, it's
(33:20):
incredible because last year's class was so profound, and when
we're still waiting to see if Penis can play and
if JJ McCarthy can play, and if Caleb could play,
we're still paying attention to last year's class. And I'm like,
cam Ward, not only is Tennessee the Titans a little
bit of an anonymous franchise. There's no talk. So you're
(33:40):
down there, you can read the paper. What do you
hear about this kid?
Speaker 7 (33:45):
It's all about high school football down here, Colin.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
You know, it's Friday night lights man, you know, and
then you got SEC football on Saturdays. It's like there's
like no energy. You know, you got church on Sunday.
By the time you get to a Titans game at
one o'clock or twelve o'clock on a Sunday.
Speaker 7 (34:00):
Now they're they're listen, they're in.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
They're one of the teams in the Witness Protection program
of the NFL.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
Like they have to do.
Speaker 8 (34:07):
Something bad to get a headline like that's just how
it is. And having been on teams that were like
that in Seattle for a lot of my career, it's
okay as a player, Like it's good. You're all about
the ball, You're all about the football, You're not all
about the you know, the drama. And I don't think
that's bad for a young quarterback.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
I really don't. I've seen a young.
Speaker 8 (34:28):
Quarterback, first pick overall, literally come out of a quarter
and call a time out on the first play of
the game and like there was no headline. I remember
getting online being like, oh my gosh, people are going
to be ripping him for this. No one even said anything,
and like you can't do that playing for the Jets
or the Cowboys or the you know these other teams,
Like you just can't. So it's not the worst place
to be as a young quarterback to kind of have
(34:50):
some growing pains and be in the shadows just a
little bit. But everything that I've heard here is everyone's very,
very excited about him as a player.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Matt Hasselbeck, Man, you just brought your a game today, buddy.
I appreciate it. Thanks for stopping brou.
Speaker 8 (35:02):
I'm sweating right off the practice field, you know, so
we'll got to you know, got to get in shape.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
His coaches too.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Here, here we go. Matt Hasselbeck, our guy, eighteen years
in the NFL, former sixth round pick out of Boston
College for the Green Bay Packers, had a great career. Yeah,
it's and I don't remember where I read it, but
I'm like, nobody is talking about cam mord. I mean,
think about year two, the pressure on J. J. McCarthy,
Michael Pennix because of the Cousins situation. Raheem Morris has
(35:31):
to win this year. In year two, Penix has pressure.
Cam Ward's like invisible, What an advantage for him
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
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stopping by a lot of choices out there. Jmac, it
is I love my golf majors, and I especially love
(00:48):
a golf major when a dominant player could be byteson De'shamba,
who by the way, has last three rounds. You absolutely
on fire Rory or a guy who maybe not that
is a fascinating but dominating Scotty Scheffler. So I want
to start with that, Jay MC. There's a lot of
talk yesterday because Scotty Scheffler wins and really pulled away,
(01:11):
played great early in the final round, pulled away from
the other world class golfers. And people are saying, Man,
this fields like Tiger Woods. No, it doesn't. And I
love Scotty Scheffler. They have one thing in common. Scotty
Scheffler right now in his prime and Tiger in his prime,
felt like they were absolutely better than even the second
(01:32):
best golfer in the world. And if both were hitting
their putts, and Tiger almost always was, if they go
into the final round with a lead, you're not catching them.
That's what they have in common. But Tiger was much
longer off the tee, and golf equipment's actually improved. He
was forty yards off the tee longer sometimes and Scheffler's
(01:53):
about three to three ten sometimes. Tiger was three sixty
three seventy. Secondly, Tiger is the best iron player I've
ever seen in my life. Maybe there's somebody better, I'm
not sure. And Tiger was consistently on the tour in
his prime, unbelievable lag putter and an unbelievable big tournament,
big pot star. Scheffler's gotten way better at that, but
(02:14):
he can struggle, at least he did previously. So I
mean they were talking about Tiger proofing courses. It was
ridiculous Scheffler. Again, there's a difference, Scotty. Scheffler doesn't intimidate
other golfers. He just beats them. Tiger Woods, the galleries,
the fist pump. He leaned into it much more Michael Jordan.
(02:36):
He'd taught you at the free throw line. They were
trying to Tiger proof courses. But you couldn't do anything. Okay,
let's make it longer. That played the Tiger's advantage. So
Scheffler is ruling golf to me. Tiger revolutionized it. Tiger
was MJ or Mike Tyson in his prime. He intimidated
other great fighters, other NBA All stars, and again Tiger
(03:00):
loved it like MJ loved taunting you. Scheffler's more Tim Duncan, reserved,
avoids mistakes, fundamentally strong business like now that he's got
the putting going, if he leads on Sunday, it's over.
But Tiger made you feel like you wanted to go out.
He had so much alpha. You'd watch Tiger play and
(03:23):
you wanted to go to the driving range. You wanted
to grab your clubs and go play. I mean Scotty Scheffler.
He said it last week. You know, I don't get
much out of winning. He's a little bit of a buzzkill.
I loved Tim Duncan, but he never wanted me made
me want to go grab a basketball when I was
a kid. If you watched a great player, you'd want
(03:43):
to go out in the backyard and shoot. That's not Scheffler.
So it's like Lebron. Lebron got to eight straight finals,
but he never felt like he quite had the MJ
killer instinct, the MJ juice, the MJ. I mean, think
about this, they're both at twenty nine. Tiger had ten
(04:04):
majors and forty six wins. Shefferd's got four and seventeen.
Phil Mickelson is a legend, an all time great golfer.
He's got forty five career wins. Tiger had forty six
in his twenties. So again, there's a difference between ruling
golf and revolutionizing it. There's a difference between winning and intimidating.
(04:26):
And I think that is when you can get into
other golfers or other fighters, or other UFC fighters' heads.
That's Tiger Scott. He's just great. And now that he's
got his putting going. If he leads going into Sunday,
that thing felt over by his third hole, You're like, yeah, yeah,
(04:47):
it's over. I think even he afterwards after the Open win,
acknowledged that.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I still think they're a bit silly. You know, Tiger
won what fifteen majors? It's my fourth? Could you got
one fourth of the way there? So just I mean
it's I think Tiger stands alone in the game of golf.
I don't focus on that kind of stuff. That's not
what motivates me. I'm not not motivated by winning championship.
I feel like what motivates me is just getting out
(05:14):
and you know, get getting to love out my dream.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, Scotty Scheffler's great. Tiger was obsessed, and there is
something about the athletes in our time. Brady obsessed with football, obsessed.
Josh Allen's pretty good. Is he obsessed? I don't know,
but but but Brady's obsession slash intensity was kind of intimidating.
(05:42):
I mean, I grew up with John Elway. I was
a Seahawk fan. If you grew up and you led
in Lway got the ball, it was deflating. You knew
the outcome that was Brady. So I don't feel that
with't I never felt that with Aaron Rodgers. Who's good.
It's a coin flip. Will he come back? I win
or not? It's coin flip, Brady, it's over. Get in
(06:03):
the car, Warm the car, up, start the car. And
I think that intensity of Tiger is just different than
anything I've ever seen. Okay, so esbn's analytic writers, this
is data. It's not necessarily opinions driven by data. Ranked
the NFL rosters going into a season now, A lot
of it's predictable. At the top, it's Baltimore, Philly, Detroit, Buffalo,
(06:26):
Kansas City, you know a lot of that stuff. Bottom,
you know, it's your Saints and your Giants and your Jets, whatever.
But what's really interesting to me is smack dab in
the middle, right, smack dab in the middle, Green Bay
Packers fourteen, Chicago Bears fifteen. Even though the Packers have
dominated that rivalry, it's a great rivalry. It is a
(06:47):
great rivalry. NFC North is up for grabs. And if
the NFL between the Packers and Bears is a head
coach and quarterback league, and it is that, it's Matt
Laflor and Jordan Love against Ben Johnson, another off coach,
and another athletic quarterback, Caleb Williams. That is great for
one of the NFL's best rivalry. And I think what
makes Caleb Williams so fascinating and why the Bears are
(07:09):
going to be such a great watch. Nobody disputes his talent, arm, athleticism, escapability,
and toughness. I have a general manager in my kind
of source group who's a critic of Caleb Williams. Doesn't
know what the outcome is going to be. He acknowledges tough, big,
(07:30):
explosive arm, and insanely evasive. Nobody disputes that. What it
really comes down to Caleb Williams is coachability, creative, strong.
Those are traits we know. That's great, But all of
the things he struggles with are improvable, are coachable. He
(07:51):
holds arm the ball too long, you can coach your
way out of that. He misses laps easy stuff, You
can coach your way out of that. Sometimes I think
he plays a little hero ball from time to time.
You can coach your way out of that. You can't
get bigger and stronger and faster that's not gonna work.
So all of his traits are correctable and coachable. And
(08:13):
I mean, I'll give you an example. Pocket presence. Well,
Lamar Jackson came into the NFL with none, and now
he's excellent. He is. Lamar Jackson is not only a
great athlete, he's clearly smart and coachable. He did not
have much of a pocket presence. He just ran and escaped.
He knows what he's doing in the pocket. Now he's
a real has been for years. Josh Allen accuracy was
(08:34):
like inaccurate at Wyoming, inaccurate in the NFL. Now he's
very accurate. That's coachable, size, arm moving around, dynamic is
not so. When you look at bo Nicks, he's either
going to be good, which he is now, or very good.
When you look at Jayden Daniels, he's either going to
be great or a legend. There is such a wide
(08:58):
range of outcome. For Caleb Williams, it's going to be
amazing or wow, that didn't work. You have this huge
range of outcomes and that's why I think last year
the Bears were a fascinating team. In fact, Jmack called
him the most interesting team in the league to start
the year, but it was mostly because of the dysfunction
(09:20):
and the potential for an inferno, and it was engulfed
early this year. It's not about dysfunction. It's really about
the roster's good. It's as good as the packers. The coach,
he knows what he's doing. He's offensive. Oh no, they
shore up the offensive line. It really comes down to
can Caleb take to coaching, cape take to developing, which
(09:45):
I think is much easier when you're less talented. I
think if you have a marginal singing voice, you understand
the value of your singing. Coach, I think is the
hardest people to coach, and they love the coaching, but
it's hard when somebody's truly gifted. Andy Reid Mahomes, when
do you pull back? When do you get out of
(10:05):
the way? When do you let him do what he
just sort of does? That's hard, it's easy, and I
think Kirk Cousins knows. I'm going to follow the playbook here,
I'm going to follow the coaching. I've got limitations. I
think it's really hard to coach Mahomes. That goes against
what you think, because like when do you coach and
when do you just get out of the way. And
you gotta sometimes with Caleb get out of the way.
(10:27):
I've talked about this before. He had a moment against
Arizona in college. I think it was his first year
at USC. It may have been a second where he
was on the sideline. It was fourth quarter, late in
the game, may have been overtime. There were like six
Arizona Wildcats around him and it ended up being a
good Bowl team for Arizona. It was six on one
and they couldn't get it and it was the most
It was a video game. So you know that's why.
(10:48):
By the way, Steve Kerr is a great coach because
he took the coaching. Therefore he adapted a nose coaching.
Michael Jordan wasn't a great GM Magic wasn't a great coach.
Some of it's just I just got this skill and
it leads me to the right place in crisis. All right,
j Mac. A lot of things going on this week.
(11:11):
Look WNBA players, Oh, I find that story actually well,
I actually I think there's a real argument that the
WNBA players are going to win negotiations. I wouldn't do
it the way they're doing it. Well, I you know,
the T shirt stuff. It's not the end of the world.
(11:32):
It's kind of silly, but I do think, but I
do think there's something to be said. Even if you
lose money for a company for ten years, if you're
at the end of your ten year contract and you
finally start making money, do you want to bail on
the investment? Like it doesn't matter what they did for
the last twenty five years. In the last year, the
(11:53):
growth of the WNBA due to Kaitlin Clark is so sensational.
What are you gonna do? Bail on your investment? It's
finally paid off? So what do you do if you're
the NBA. So I want to talk about that and
also a reality. People aren't gonna like to hear this
in a certain part of the country, but it's true
and that's coming up.
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Speaker 1 (13:27):
Man hour one on a Monday flew by We are live.
We're in Chicago. It is the Herd. Good stuff with
Matt Hassel back in about four or five minutes. Training
camps are underway. Training camps are different depending on the roster.
You got a young team and there's a couple of
them out there. Very interesting stuff. J Mac. You know,
I was thinking about this. We talked about the Big
ten overtake on the SEC, and a lot of it
(13:48):
is the Big Ten campuses. There's more students, they graduate,
it's easier to raise nil money. If you look at
the top two teams in the SEC now nil spending
Sistern Texas A and M. That's not the SEC, that's
Texas economy. And so if you look at the Big Ten,
Oregon's got money, USC's got money, Michigan's got money, Ohio
(14:10):
State's got money. It's different. Those are bigger schools, more graduates,
and I think that's why the Big Ten is going
to win its third straight national championship. Facilities used to matter.
Now it's about paying the players, and the Big Ten
can just consistently have fewer players poached and pay more
elite players.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Yeah, by the way, do you remember early last year.
I think it was like August in early September, a
lot of SEC teams were losing games, and I think
we talked about it at the time in the SEC fans, Oh,
it's early, we're going to be fine.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
They're definitely not fine.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
I thought your car dealership point first hour was really
spot on, Like car dealership money.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Is great free NIL.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Now in the NIL ere there's so much bigger money
at play with some of these other universities. The Texas
Tech example, colin It got a few billionaire.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, if you took the long Horns in the AGGI
he's out of the SEC. The gap in spending between
the big ten and the SEC would be even larger. Mean,
it's like the Longhorns in A and M. That's the
Texas economy. The Texas economy, it's one of the biggest
economies in the world. It's a monster. That's a whole
different ballgame. Saban knew this very early when the NIL
(15:18):
money started. He grumbled year one. You go back and
look at those quotes, and I said it on the air.
He is grumbling because he sees the truth. He can't compete.
Sark's roster second year of the NIL was Nicks roster
three years earlier. Bigger, stronger, faster guys. Here we go
on a Monday, Colin Wright, Colin wrong. Let's roll it
where Colin was right? Oh, the offensively tone dev Steelers
(15:42):
Mike Tomlin can't help himself, gave TJ. Watt the biggest
non quarterback contract in the league. They will once again
lead the NFL in defensive spending. It's not the player,
but they paid Jalen Ramsey, they played Darius Slay, they
paid TJ. Watt. Yet they can't get their offensive line right.
They let Najee Harris go. It's not that Mike Tomlin's
(16:03):
on a good coach. This organization spends too much money.
Billy doesn't, Rams, don't Niners let defensive guys go. Kansas
City doesn't pay defense. Pittsburgh does.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Just when I gave the WNBA players credit for in
a private poll naming Kitlin Clark is the face of
the league going forward. And then Kelsey Plumb comes out
takes a shot at Caitlin Clark because her team wasn't
present for you know, the meetings they're having regarding the negotiations.
(16:40):
She said, it was a very powerful moment. Wearing those
T shirts. But she said, you know, nobody from team
Caitlyn Clark was present. Can we stop? You guys are
flying private. There's one reason, Caitlin Clark, somebody joined the
band that's roly popular. You're traveling in style. Give it
a break. Where Colin was right, NFL executives, scouts and
(17:04):
coaches last week ranked Jalen Hurts ninth best quarterback in
the NFL. That's what I've said. Character, leadership, playmaking, strength excellent.
Love him, but from the pocket. After a week five
by the Eagles coaching staff reduced a number of passes
(17:26):
thrown per game to twenty four and they were a
better offense. Nobody's doing that for Mahomes or Josh Allen.
I can like a player, but say, yeah, there's limitations.
Greg co Selz been saying this for a year. I
love Jalen Hurts, He's not an elite pocket thrower. Consistently,
Where Colin was right, well, I said, Penn State I've
(17:48):
set up for the last month is the best team
in the Big Ten. It's not Ohio State, even though
the Buckeys have the best offensive player and the best
defensive player and Ryan Day Penn State was just awarded
the media poll over Ohio State as the best team
in the conference. My prediction is at Penn State Texas
(18:09):
National Championship. I'll figure out at the time who wins it.
But I think the Big Ten we've been on it
for a year has overtaken the SEC is the best program.
And the fact that Penn State gets higher rated by
the media that knows those programs over the Buckeyes. We'll
bring back the best two players in the sport says something.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I sold my Shader Sanders stock after two speeding tickets.
I'm like, bro, you're a quarterback and you're a fifth
round pick. You got to have more self awareness. But
Mary K. Cabot reported this week that because he performed
so well at camp, he has a legitimate chance to
win the starting job. So perhaps I bailed a little
(18:53):
early where Colin was right. The ESPN rankings of the
top rosters this year in the NFL, seven of the
top twelve are NFC. This is something we started talking
about last year. There was about a three year period
where the gap between the AFC and the NFC was noticeable.
But if you watched the NFL last year roster composition.
(19:14):
I thought the NFC had more elite rosters. I thought
Philadelphia's roster was the best, Detroit's was second, Baltimore's third.
Seven of the top twelve are NFC and Oh, by
the way, the NFC forty eight and thirty three against
the AFC last year.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
What a shocker. Only one NFL team hasn't signed their
first round pick, and it's the always cheap Cincinnati Bengal.
Shamar Stewart is the holdout. I've said it for years.
Zach Tater gets criticized by a lot of people in
the NFL. H that's all Joe Burrow. He's got the
(19:52):
cheapest owner there are owners. I don't love the guy
down in Miami, but he spends the facilities are a
free agents love Miami. One team can't finalize their deal
with the first round pick, the Cincinnati Bengals. That's why
Joe burrows al was picked off where Colin was rowed.
(20:14):
The Dodgers have hit one ninety eight as a team
in their last ten games. Last in baseball, they're two
and ten in their last twelve, just swept by the Brewers.
Mookie Betts is in the worst slum of his career.
They moved Otani out of the leadoff spot. The pitching
too many injuries. I thought, this lineup, I believe that.
At the time, I said, you can make an argument
(20:35):
after Otani, Mookie Betts is the best player in baseball.
This is the best batting order I have seen since
the seventy five Reds. They officially can't hit where Colin
was right. Well, Bradley Beal went to the Clippers and
Jason McIntyre said, it's the kind of move that will
shift the paradigm of the NBA. Well, I looked at
(20:57):
the odds makers. They were plus two two thousand pre
trade plus two thousand Clippers post trade. Oldest roster in
the NBA with Brook Lopez and Bradley Beal just got older.
The Bradley Beal acquisition did not make a dent in
the Clippers' futures, despite the admiration of one Jason McIntyre
(21:22):
and with that our friend I love having them on
the show. It's a Monday, It's Matt Hasselbeck eighteen year
NFL season. So I said last hour, everybody acknowledges how
good Sean McVay is and how great Andy Reid is
and the hardbass. But I don't think we quite understand
what Peyton has done in Denver. They lost two first
(21:44):
round picks to get Ross. He inherited that the dead
cap situation was before DeShawn Watson, like the worst contract
in the league. You got Herbert and Harbaugh, Mahomes and
Red and they made the playoffs with bo Nicks. And
my take is not all coaches are great with personnel, Matt,
(22:05):
but this roster is really good. I think you said
this about a month ago on this show. You're high
on Denver, are you not?
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Yeah, I'm very high Colin.
Speaker 8 (22:16):
I kind of wonder if people are holding his big
loss in that championship game in the Home Team movie.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
When was it him or Kevin James.
Speaker 8 (22:23):
I don't know when he was the offensive coordinator and
lost the twelve year old championship.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
You know what I'm talking. You don't watch movies, so
you don't know.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
But now listen, Denver I think is a major threat.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
In the AFC West. We're gonna be talking about what
a great coaching division.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
This is the head coaches guys that have hoisted Lombards
three out of the four. But you and everyone's gonna
want to crown Kansas City.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
I get that.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
I like them too, But he has something special in Bonittz.
He knows exactly what he is looking for in a quarterback.
It's those same exact traits that his quarterback Drew Brees had.
This defense might be the best defense in the NFL.
There's certainly a candidate for that that award. And then
they go out and get Evan Ingram. They've got a
running back by committee kind of a fire and ice,
(23:06):
lightning and thunders sort of situation.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
There, a great offensive line.
Speaker 8 (23:10):
My concern or question would be like, what do they
have firepower wise, consistency wise at the wide receiver position.
I thought they were pretty good last year, but I
thought they might have overachieved, you know, can they continue
to improve and grow in that area? But to me,
Sean Payton knows exactly what it takes. Everyone believes in him,
and if that thing gets rolling in Denver, that home
(23:32):
field advantage is real just as well.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
So that's a team to watch in my mind.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
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Speaker 1 (23:41):
Well, you know. I think another reason why people pushback
on Peyton is because Andy Reid rarely says something, rarely
steps in it. Sean McVay doesn't Shanahan. You know the
kind of PC up front. You know Sean's not Sean
goes after people. And the truth is, I think people
inside the league know how good he is. But Sean
(24:04):
has alienated some people because he is I mean, I
know Sean, that's his personality. He's totally authentic. He's like
a little bit like Jim Harbaugh ten years ago. Half
the league hated Harball, half revered him. I think that's
part of the Peyton dynamic.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Do you yeah and listen.
Speaker 8 (24:21):
I think also people were surprised when it didn't work
out with Russell Wilson. I wasn't really surprised because I
know what kind of coach Sean Payton is, known him
for a long time. He knows exactly what he wants
and exactly how it wants it, how he wants it
so like he's not looking to hear like, oh what
(24:42):
are you comfortable with, mister quarterback?
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Like he doesn't care. He's like, listen, hop on board,
follow me, it's gonna work.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
And so like last year as an example, I think
they did a lot of things that Bnix was comfortable with, Like, hey, listen,
I would like I think Sean Payton almost thought.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
Of it this way. I would prefer if you were
under center more.
Speaker 8 (25:01):
But since this is year one for you, we'll go gun,
We'll go shotgun more for you. But in year two, like,
we're going to do it more my way. We're going
to be under center more. We're gonna do a lot
of the things that I like to do. And I
don't think he's very multiple, Like I don't think he
wants to move off his spot, which is totally fine
when you're Sean Payton, and I think that could be
a rub with a veteran quarterback that's done it differently.
(25:23):
That's why I think having bo Nicks is just so great.
He's got a maturity because of how much you played
in college, but he also has kind of this moldability
of a young player.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
So I think camps are different based on your personnel.
I do think there are teams like Kansas City Reid Mahomes,
Kelsey now they have to rework their offensive line. But
Chris Jones, now those defensive players who were young three
years ago. They know the system with Spags. So like
Kansas City, the preseason to me feels kind of irrelevant,
(25:55):
just st a healthy your thought. Are there a couple
of teams you look at and think, yeah, the next
three weeks matter a lot.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
Detroit?
Speaker 8 (26:04):
I mean, I don't think we're understanding how hard it's
going to be for Detroit to overcome all the losses.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
That they've had. I mean, they've losing your offensive and
defensive coordinator.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
That's not nothing, you know, not really being sure who
the five starters are up front, Like.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
That's not nothing.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
Now listen, they get an extra week, they get an
extra preseason, you know, they get with the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Game and all that. But now they're also battling that
like sort of attrition.
Speaker 8 (26:29):
So I think that still like to me, the teams
that have a lot of change. You know, there's other
teams around the league that have a lot.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Of new pieces.
Speaker 8 (26:36):
I'll say, like the New England Patriots as an example,
maybe the you know, maybe the Pittsburgh Steelers. People that
have new people and so having time on task is
also important.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Like Aaron Rodgers showed up late. Is it a big deal? Like, no,
it's not a big deal.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
But this is this is not what training camp was
like when I first got into the NFL. When I
first got into the NFL, you know, you'd hear players
talk in the locker room. They'd say, Hey, I'm gonna
play myself into shape in training camp, and I got
the preseason.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
By the start of the season, I'll be in shape.
Like that's just not how it is anymore.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
Like the it's it's it's OTA's it's it's many mini camp,
it's that off season time, the five or six weeks
before training camp, it's training camp, it's joint practices. So
it's it's it's a different NFL. And when you're not
in pads until like this short window in training camp
with one A days not two A days, I think
(27:30):
it's tougher for continuity for coordinators and olignemen.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
So this question is one that you can singularly answer
that I really can't. So I said, one of the
things that's fascinating. If I look at Jaden Daniels, I
could say from just one year, he's either going to
be really good or a legend. I look at bow
Nicks and I'm like, he's either going to be good
or really good may not be a legend. I look
(27:55):
at Caleb Williams and there's a lot of outcomes wow
or yeah, this didn't work at all. And because there
are some habits he holds on the ball too long,
he kind of misses on some easy stuff. You were
one of the few people that came out last year
and said it's not all the coaches some of this.
But here's my thing, Matt, I think his flaws are correctable.
(28:19):
Like Lamar Jackson got really good in the pocket. His
pocket presence, it wasn't good the first two years, it's
really good the last three. Josh Allen accuracy bad to
really good. I think that's Caleb. I think he is
his weaknesses are coachable. A do you agree? And what
(28:39):
will you see in the first month that could concern
you with all this new staff and all these new players.
Speaker 8 (28:46):
Yeah, I agree that those things are fixable. I would
also say the guys you mentioned Lamar and Josh Allen,
they were other worldly and elite in something else as
you work through some of their maturity as their young
quarterback growing up. I think the thing for Caleb is
that the excuses are now gone, like they have done
a great job. Ryan Pols has done a great job
(29:08):
of building this roster around him, building this coaching staff
around him.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
Now it's all up to him to.
Speaker 8 (29:14):
Be a fulfillment of what they thought he was going
to be when they made him the first pick.
Speaker 7 (29:18):
Overall, he's got everything that he needs.
Speaker 8 (29:20):
He's got the maybe the premiere quarterback whisperer coming out
that was available this year.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
He's got everything he needs. I think the thing that's.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
Going to happen for him this year, the pressure and
the heat will turn up on him. If guys like
Jaden Daniels and Bo Nicks and Drake May and JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
And some of these other guys in his draft class.
Speaker 8 (29:41):
Do really really well fair or not fair, that'll be
the standard that he gets measured against.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
So, you know, I think as those.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
Guys go, I think that'll have a that'll have an
effect on you know, what people think about Caleb in
year two.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
So Nick Saban, there's there's two people I trust, Lane
Kiffin and Greg McElroy, who both hinted at Saban returning.
I don't think he's going back to college because nil money.
Universities now have to raise fifteen million for Nil, they'd
have to buy out their coach pay Saban. It'd be
one hundred million dollar check. And outside of Texas, I
don't think anybody or Phil Knight Nike money could afford that.
(30:19):
So I think he's going to go to the NFL.
Do you think it would work this time for Saban?
Speaker 7 (30:26):
Yeah, I think it could work.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
Like the reality of the NFL is that most of
the guys in the NFL, most of the players are
in years one, two or three. It's a very young
league right now. You have some outliers, some quarterbacks, some
guys that are old, but the most of the roster
is young. So he would know these guys maybe as
well as anybody, and I think the respect is certainly there.
The challenge in my mind for a guy like that
(30:49):
going from Alabama to the NFL, You're not going to
have a better roster than all the guys you play like,
that's just not going to be the fact.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
You know, that's not going to be how it is
in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
And then the other thing is like understanding how to
deal with a franchise quarterback in the NFL is going
to be very different than college. You can't necessarily talk
to him that way. You can't go musical chairs. If
you feel like switching a guy at halftime. It rarely
works in the NFL, So I think that would probably
be the biggest adjustment. But in terms of respect, knowledge
of the game, the staff that he could acquire, I mean,
(31:20):
it would be Belichick esque in my mind if you
were to get him as an NFL head coach.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
All right, finally, Aaron Rodgers forty one, go to your
last two camps. What was the advantage of being the
old guy in camp and what was the disadvantage?
Speaker 8 (31:36):
Well, the big perk I remember I was, I got
my own bet, I got two twin beds moved together
next to Adam VENITII, who was the oldest guy on
the team.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
I was the second guy, second oldest, but between me,
Vinnie and Reggie Wayne, like the old guys get that perk,
you know.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
I think camps are just so different now, like for
Aaron Rodgers. You know, I remember Brett Farv was older
in his career. When I first started, we through twice
a day. Two a days were a thing. Now with
the new CBA, there is no such thing as to today.
So for a thrower training camp's really not that hard.
You throw once a day, and like I've said many times,
like for Aaron Rodgers this year, he can make all
(32:14):
the throws, Like when he's fifty years old, he'll be
able to make all the throats.
Speaker 7 (32:18):
What has to change for him is in his mind.
Speaker 8 (32:22):
He probably thinks he can move around in the pocket
like he always could, and that's just not the case.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
He cannot.
Speaker 8 (32:27):
He's not as he's not as mobile, he's not. He
doesn't have that as capability. So he's gonna have to
change his game and rely basically, I would say, much
more just on his brain, his eyes, and his arm
and this sort of forget the legs part of it.
And I think that's why Tom Brady did such a
great job late in his career, because he never really
relied on his legs or escapability. You're moving too far
(32:48):
out of the pocket. That'll be an adjustment for a
rod He can certainly do it. But again, you kind
of almost just got to flip your mind a little
bit and win a different way.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
You know, you're you're still have in Nashville, right, correct. Okay,
I was sitting this weekend and somebody on the internet,
I apologize. I forget who it was, but they said,
in the last twenty years, has there ever been a
number one pick that has gotten less publicity and discussion
than cam Ward? And I'm like, oh my god, it's
(33:20):
incredible because last year's class was so profound, and when
we're still waiting to see if Penis can play and
if JJ McCarthy can play, and if Caleb could play,
we're still paying attention to last year's class. And I'm like,
cam Ward, not only is Tennessee the Titans a little
bit of an anonymous franchise. There's no talk. So you're
(33:40):
down there, you can read the paper. What do you
hear about this kid?
Speaker 7 (33:45):
It's all about high school football down here, Colin.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
You know, it's Friday night lights man, you know, and
then you got SEC football on Saturdays. It's like there's
like no energy. You know, you got church on Sunday.
By the time you get to a Titans game at
one o'clock or twelve o'clock on a Sunday.
Speaker 7 (34:00):
Now they're they're listen, they're in.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
They're one of the teams in the Witness Protection program
of the NFL.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
Like they have to do.
Speaker 8 (34:07):
Something bad to get a headline like that's just how
it is. And having been on teams that were like
that in Seattle for a lot of my career, it's
okay as a player, Like it's good. You're all about
the ball, You're all about the football, You're not all
about the you know, the drama. And I don't think
that's bad for a young quarterback.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
I really don't. I've seen a young.
Speaker 8 (34:28):
Quarterback, first pick overall, literally come out of a quarter
and call a time out on the first play of
the game and like there was no headline. I remember
getting online being like, oh my gosh, people are going
to be ripping him for this. No one even said anything,
and like you can't do that playing for the Jets
or the Cowboys or the you know these other teams,
Like you just can't. So it's not the worst place
to be as a young quarterback to kind of have
(34:50):
some growing pains and be in the shadows just a
little bit. But everything that I've heard here is everyone's very,
very excited about him as a player.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Matt Hasselbeck, Man, you just brought your a game today, buddy.
I appreciate it. Thanks for stopping brou.
Speaker 8 (35:02):
I'm sweating right off the practice field, you know, so
we'll got to you know, got to get in shape.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
His coaches too.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Here, here we go. Matt Hasselbeck, our guy, eighteen years
in the NFL, former sixth round pick out of Boston
College for the Green Bay Packers, had a great career. Yeah,
it's and I don't remember where I read it, but
I'm like, nobody is talking about cam mord. I mean,
think about year two, the pressure on J. J. McCarthy,
Michael Pennix because of the Cousins situation. Raheem Morris has
(35:31):
to win this year. In year two, Penix has pressure.
Cam Ward's like invisible, What an advantage for him
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