August 7, 2025 • 43 mins
Colin’s not buying the idea Arch Manning will pass on the NFL draft but tells you why these were smart comments to make before the start of the season. He points out the personality traits for franchise quarterbacks over the years and why Shedeur Sanders doesn’t fit the profile. Plus, Greg Cosell from NFL Films joins the show to tell Colin what Caleb Williams needs to improve on most in year 2 and why Bo Nix is underrated.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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We put them off for about twenty twenty two straight
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Greg co Seal will join us in a one hour.
It's one of my favorite fifteen minute segments every football season.
We do it on Thursdays. J Mac, you used to
be in a business kind of a blogg a sphere
and most of the ninety nine percent of those things
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did not do well. And I remember when I spotted
your site. I had told friends, I said, I like
the McIntyre site because you can tell he's like he
can break story. He's like serious, he's not doing silly stuff.
Like there's like serious stories here. It's sourced. And I
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want to start my show talking about that because it
was one of the things I noticed before we had
even met a bloggsphear can be just nonsense in whimsical
and yours wasn't you were breaking stories And that's kind
of a theme today for quarterback. So I saw this
headline from Archie Manning and he says arch will not
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turn pro next season. He'll be at Texas for the
next to two years. Yeah, that's what you have to say.
If he beats Ohio State and Columbus wins the Heisman
or doesn't and gets into the National Championship game, it
would be really bad business to stay in college. And
I know almost every Manning pretty well. They're good at business,
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and they say the right thing when they have to
college sports for truly gifted athletes, like a Cooper Flag.
It's like that first really cool apartment you live in
when you make a little money and you're like, I'm
never leaving this place. And then eventually you get a
real job with a VP in the title and you
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don't want to share walls or the pool, and you
you forget about it really quickly. Arch Manning made six
point five million last year at Texas nil. Reportedly, cam
Ward made forty eight point seven guaranteed number one pick.
Arch Can I can I interest you in a forty
two million dollar loan? Hook? What? Yeah? This is the
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classic Manning's saying the right thing, and a lot of
times in society. I mean, I think the term is true,
but I get tired of it. Woke. Well, you're just
not being honest, you know, when you're really important Sometimes JD.
Vance should not talk about ever being a president. Keep
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it to yourself. Lebron Manning's Mahomes, Brady. I've seen Mahomes
step to the microphone and just say the right thing,
not necessarily the most honest, authentic thing. That's what happens.
And the Manning family is American Football Royalty. So this
is exactly what you say. We Cooper Flag said it,
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Oh Duke, and then he talked to Nike, and then
you're the number one picked and here's fifty six large.
I love Duke so much. I'll go visit when they
play Caroline if I have time. Arch Manning, if he's
as good as I think he is, he's got to
go pro. I know Cooper, I know Eli, I know Peyton,
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I know Archie, and I don't know Arch. But Sark
talking about Arch sounds a lot like Cooper and Eli
and Peyton. Manning.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
His work ethic is incredible, whether it's you know, studying, take, studying, film,
studying the playbook, working at his craft, you know, in
the weight room like that. That that is, whether it's
innate in him or it was you know, handed down
from his uncles, whatever, whatever it was, his work ethic
is really pretty incredible and that lends itself to the
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teammate that he is too.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And that's an interesting way to describe him. Jumping into
my next segment, now, I will tell you ninety percent
of you will disagree with his take. And I've been
doing this for twenty five years. I believe in it
strongly and always have. So did you notice when Sark
talked about arch and oh, by the way, Eli Manning
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could be, you know, funny on Saturday Night Live. But
if you described Peyton Manning you would say intense. Bill
Poullion once said he was a heath clincher. If you're
describing Tiger Woods, you'd be like, obsessed, intimidating, Michael Jordan, Kobe,
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Bryant Brady. It's not a coincidence that the greatest athletes
of my life are borderline crazy, obsessed, serious people. And
I am hoping when Shadur Sanders plays Tomorrow night, I
can't wait to watch. I'm rooting for them. I mean,
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I don't like the speeding tickets, but they lead me
to my topic today. It is totally unfair that at
twenty three years old, as an NFL quarterback, you are
held to a totally different standard, not only from every
twenty three year old you know, but from every twenty
three year old professional athlete. You have to be twenty
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three going on forty three, not even thirty three, because
some of you are still doing shooters at the you know,
Captain Van Daanges on a Friday night, right, like, I
know where you're at. You're doing stuff that's really not inappropriate.
You hope your boss doesn't walk in right right at
thirty three at forty three, houtful that you have kids,
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you're a grown up, you're a vice president. You're not
doing it quarterback in the NFL. It's almost unfair. Jalen
Hurts is twenty seven, he acts forty seven. I've never
seen a quarterback that good at the podium. Ever. He
is the best quarterback I've ever seen at the podium.
He surpasses the second best I've ever seen, Dak Prescott.
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No jokes, they're like accountants should bring a briefcase. And
this is something that's always bothered me about shoulder and Miles.
Garrett was asked to describe his personality here it is.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I mean, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
He's optimistic, playhearted. Who's funny. Jameis Winston was funny. Drew
Lock was lighthearted. Cam Newton is the best college football
player I have ever seen. He was the size of
a defensive end, but he was playful. Drew Lock, remember
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that piece of video. That's all I needed to see.
I know all your frat bros, they loved it. I
get it. The cigarette bros absolutely love that. I get it.
It's not what I want. Dak Prescott his rookie year.
It may have been preseason or it was early in
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the season, did something and you guys made fun of it.
But there was a piece of garbage on the field
behind cowboy bench. He's in the middle of a game,
and he walked by it and turned around, grabbed it
and put it in the garbage. And I'm like, oh,
that's grown up. He understands. It's like when you go
to a funeral, don't smile and don't laugh. You have
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to be on Dak Prescott understands. I'm the cowboy quarterback.
I am always on. Years ago in the Patriots building,
they did a little test. This is true story. They
would randomly put stuff on the floor to see if
people picked it up when they interviewed them. To this day,
when I walk down the halls of Fox, just in
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case my bosses are watching, I always stop and pick
up a piece of garbage. It matters, and it's unfair.
I don't want my quarterbacks to be, as Miles Garrett said,
fun lighthearted. I'm not interested in lighthearted at all. Jameis
Winston the best thing he's ever done worked for Fox.
It was funny. He also threw thirty picks a year.
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It's not fair. But the harbaws Nick Saban Sean Payton
are almost offensively intense. I mean, there are times Nick
Saban's so intense it's intimidating. And yet Nick Saban is
five foot six. Did you know that he plays really big.
Sean Payton, I'm much taller than he is. He feels
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bigger than I do. I don't want my quarterbacks to
be fun lighthearted in the draft room, but legendary. It
was also fun in that car doing one to four
in a forty five. I'm sorry, but it matters. I
like the traits of Shadeur Sanders. I like his size.
I think he's more mobile than people say. I think
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he throws a beautiful football off platform er on it.
I think he's a much better pro prospect than Dylan Gabriel.
Obviously many of you disagree. But one of the things
that's always bothered me, he's kind of silly. I don't
want silly. I'm not interested in silly. There's so many
things pedigree, size, accuracy, I like about him, but it's
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just one of those things. It is just there was
am I'll give you another example. I don't love brock Purdy,
but there was a moment with b Pretty. He was
at a concert about a year ago with George Kittle.
George Kittle is shot gun and beers and oh, by
the way, brought pretty just like a funeral. Don't laugh,
you're always on. Brought Pretty, carried the beers in. He
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wouldn't bite. He wouldn't bite. He didn't want that meme. Nothing.
Let the crazy tied end do it. I'm not biting.
He's going, yeah, George, you keep doing it. He wouldn't
do it. He didn't want that anywhere. Because if you
do that and people see it, and you go on
a four game losing streak, the GM sees it. And
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by the way, I will get three to four texts
today from GMS and they'll be like, you're absolutely right.
And every time I do that stuff I get texts.
Is that most twenty three year olds are listening saying
that's ridiculous. It is in ninety eight percent of the
work environments in the country. One of the things that
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impressed me about Dak and Jalen Hurts. It's not how
they throw it from the pocket. I've said this about Tua.
Tua's grown up Tyreek Hill isn't Hurts is unbelievable. When
people say Lamar Jackson he gets tight in the playoffs, Yeah,
damn righty does because he cares so much. Lamar Jackson
gets furious at Lamar Jackson. It's one of my favorite traits.
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And I do think he gets tight in the playoffs,
and I do think Peyton Manning did for years. If
the biggest fault is the dude is really intense, sign
me up for that, Sign me up for Lamar Jackson
and early Peyton Manning. But there's that Drew Locke video
keeping a real Man. I got the vibes and y'all
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loved it, and I couldn't stand it. And it was
only ten seconds, and I'm like, dude, do that at home.
You're on you're smiling at a funeral, You're trying to
be the face of a franchise. I don't like it.
I wouldn't like my GM doing it. I wouldn't like
my head coach doing it. Remember that Chaduur Flacco thing.
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There's a little piece of video with Shadur and Flacco
here in camp, and it's not the end of the world.
Nobody's saying it is. As I always say, everything's something,
nothing's everything. But remember that little piece of video. Do
we have the sound up on that when Flacco and
Chaduur and Chadeur's asking him about dancing? Do we have that?
Speaker 4 (12:25):
That's that? Definitely not.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
I don't know if I've ever heard a public dance
movie in my life.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Joe Flacco's been to a super Bowl and won a
Super Bowl, and if I recall he was the MVP
of the Super Bowl, it matters at least to me,
all Right, they hate mail, will be flying in and
keep it coming because it is a thing. It really
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is a thing, and it just is one of those things.
I think about it all the time, and there are
different in life. By the way, I've joked about this
for years. Whenever I'm hiring a young person like twenty
or thirty, I don't want somebody that loves golf. Now
by the time you get gray hair and you're old,
I don't care old guys. I'm really into golf. The
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last three years, the gray er my hair gets. But
I'm out of that space now. But when you're twenty
and thirty and you're not making much and I need
you to work fifty five to sixty hours a week,
I'm not working that much anymore. I got a bigger
staff in it. But when I used to be in
this business looking for young people, I didn't mind what
your hobbies were. I didn't want golfers. I didn't want
golfer because golf has an addictive quality. I'm going through
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that now over the last three years. Once the number six,
that's different than two three on the name on the number.
And so I will say this, the brock pretty thing
really struck me I was like, you can say what
you and I've never been a huge brock pretty guy.
But one of the things Sam Darnold said about him,
like one of the reasons that Kyle Shanahan was so
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impressed with him is his maturity. They were like, he's
just not your typical twenty four year old and maybe
that's unfair, but it's really impressive. Part of what NFL
teams do. They have these conversations Can we hand the
keys of our franchise to this young guy? That is
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a conversation networks have that I've worked at. Can we
give this person their own show? It's his show, it's
his staff. We can't babysit him. We're not there every day.
Can you give the keys to the franchise? And you
watch brock perty and like he knew, come on, George
a couple more. He wouldn't bite. He would not bite.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
J Mark.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
When you get your show someday that Marquis, You're gonna
have to settle down because you are a wild child
on the beach of the Manhattan Beach.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
From what I hear, so basically this week you are
against backwards visors and you are against shotgutting beers on
stage at a concert. Okay, you're basically captain on Fund.
You know you've heard of the fun Uncle, the Funkal.
You're like the opposite of that. You are Unfund Colin.
Oh my gosh, golf really no, So what about basketball?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
You're good with me and the men's leagues.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I've got a big playoff game. You get your cardio in.
Get your cardio in. Hi, everybody, I understand that I
always had a thing with golf. When your hair gets Greg,
go for it before that. I don't want to hear
your golf that they did plan on seven courses. That's
just me. Everybody's got a different vibe. Greg co Sell's
coming up in forty five minutes. You know I love
Greg co Sell. A very serious man, by the way,
(15:36):
very serious.
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Speaker 1 (16:20):
Welcome back. You are now entering the No Bull Zone
sponsored by Incredible Great Raids, None of the Ball. So
I was talking about this at the very end of
the show yesterday about Brian Schottenneimer. I don't think the
Dallas Cowboys is the easiest job. I do not think
it's the toughest job. So there were seven new coaches,
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and by and large, you take over a team that's
either rudderless, it just it's not worth very Rarely do
you get a Matt Lafleur where you get Aaron Rodgers
in his prime. That's the best job opening in probably
twenty years, is that the Green Bay Packers with Aaron
Rodgers in his prime. Aaron and Mike McCarthy had a
falling out, but that's a great job. Stability everywhere, no chaos.
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Aaron was great, roster was good. But there were seven
job openings this year. One of them New England is
the easiest lift. You're not replacing Belichick. You have one
of the smarter, more powerful owners. You have great game
day revenue. They got plenty of money. You know again,
Drake May, I think is going to work and even
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worked last year without any help. And you got the
Dolphins and the Jets both kind of dysfunctional in your division.
That's the easiest job now. I do think there are
some that are like I think the Raiders is a
big lift. I got Harbaugh, Herbert bo Nix, Peyton, Andy Reid, Mahomes,
and the great Kansas City chiefs in division. You could
get it right in that division for several years and
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finish fourth. I think the Raiders is a tough lift.
I think the Bears historically very weak ownership, old week ownership,
too many kids, involved, a lot of pressure, loud market,
top media. Quarterback Ben Johnson. You don't know if Caleb
can play. I mean, we don't know yet. I think
he's talented, but we don't know. I also think the
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Jets ownership men GM who knows, it's another guy, it's
a turnstile. I think the Jets is a hard lift
the culture there is just not great. A lot of
impulsive moves and it's there's a lot of too many,
too many cooks in the kitchen. But the Dallas Cowboys,
Brian Schottenheimer, it's not an easy lift. You have a
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medaling owner and Mike has got a holdout and and
and the Micah holdout thing. It's substantial. He's arguably, I
don't think he's as gifted as cd Land, but he's
really really good. And here is Brian Schottenheimer shot he
talking about the Micah Parsons issue.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
We're still planning on moving Mike around and putting him
in all the spots that we see him and using
our fronts the way we want to see it. And no,
we just uh, you know, we go about our business
every day. We live in the moment. We folks in
the moment. And again, like I said you guys the
other day, I'm not going to get a lot into it,
but you know, uh, I expect Mikeay.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
To be here.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
But I think one of the reasons this is an
easier job than some of the other jobs is Dak Prescott.
Dak is the Honda Civic of this league. You never
have to worry about getting to work. It will not
break down right like, his floor is very high. I
think you'd be surprised how many games Dak has won
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when he's healthy. I think it's second. If I may,
I may be wrong since he got drafted. I think
it's second to the Eagles in the NFC. He has
an incredibly high floor. You don't have to worry about silliness.
He's an excellent leader high iq EQ. This is really
the value of Dak Prescott. This has always been the
value to me. I don't think he's great from the pocket,
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but Dallas is a loud market with an aggressive media.
Talk radio remains very big in Dallas. Newspaper columnists have
influence of the Dallas Morning News. It's still one of
the only markets where sports guys get more than forty
five seconds. It matters. It's a loud, aggressive sports market,
and Dak fundamentally is a complete grown up. And so's
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That's the one thing. Jerry's gonna meddle. Jerry lost his fastball.
Micah Trayvon Diggs are upset. George Pickens watch out. But
this has always been Dak's value. Can you imagine if
you had a less serious quarterback than DK Scott. What
a mess this would be. I've always said this, Dak's
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talent I think is very middle of the pack. The
iq EQ stuff top three or four in the league.
Until Jalen Hurts arrived, I thought he was the best
guy I'd ever seen at the podium.
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Speaker 3 (20:54):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
It's a Thursday. It is our number two. Appreciate you. Stop.
But I'm going to the live tour Saturday and maybe
out there and grabbing my clubs. Get some bombs out there, jam.
I'm excited to watch.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
Isn't it cool to do sports against like real professional athletes.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
It's exciting. Bryson de Shamba will be out there. I'm
fired up for it. So it's this is a fun
time of the year. Tomorrow night, Shador Sanders is gonna
play the two ninety min hour speeding tickets and the
pre draft interviews and the legendary you know draft room.
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I don't love that stuff. I don't. I don't think
he's a terribly serious young man, and I think the
position demands that we'll find out tomorrow though, is could
he be a great backup? Or is he good enough
for Cleveland at the end of the year or it's
trade deadline to move him for a draft pick. I think.
I think Cleveland, who has two first round picks, wants
to this year get his as many picks as they can.
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If they can move Kenny Pickett here in the preseason,
if they can move Shador Sanders into the season. If
you get six round picks, you're just looking for nine, ten, eleven,
twelve picks. So if you give up six to move
up a couple slots, that's which That's that's the game.
It's an exact science. And speaking of inexact the Chicago
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Bears new coach Caleb Williams, let's bring in Greg co
Sell for the first time in our football season forty
six years NFL film. So you spend your off season watching,
like you know, every snap of these quarterbacks, the red
zone standups, what you do. So one of the things
that always worries me about a quarterback is if they
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have a college problem footwork, hero ball, and it becomes
a problem very early in the NFL, So they're either
uncoachable or they don't have a coach that knows how
to fix it. So my concern on Caleb is little
hero ball holds it too long. Those were knocks at USC.
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So when you looked at all in hindsight the snaps,
what do you see that absolutely has to be worked
on going in the year two.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
Well, there's a lot to unpack with Caleb Williams. I
think that if you just watch his tape from a
year ago, some concerns are just his ability to.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Sort of have a feel in the pocket.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
He had a tendency to step up when there was
no need to step up.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
So what that would do is it would.
Speaker 8 (23:32):
Bring him closer to the offensive line and the pass rushers,
and so he created his own pressure at times. And
obviously he's just not a guy that saw it as
cleanly as you like, So he held the ball too long.
But think about this, Colin. You watch a ton of
college football as well, And this is not a test question,
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but let's throw this out. What do quarterbacks in college
never do? Most of them they do not huddle. Now
you're with Ben Johnson, Okay, he's essentially a rookie. Now,
Caleb Williams, you almost have to forget about what happened
last year because now what he's learning is he's learning
very wordy play calls that have a lot of alerts.
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Sometimes there's two play calls that are built into a
particular verbiage, and then there's shifts, there's motions, there's all
kinds of things that he has to learn just to
get from the huddle to the line of scrimmage with
a reasonable amount of time on the play clock, so
that when the shifts and the motions happen, he has
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time to see how the defense responds. This is the
operational part of playing quarterback that he's never really done before,
not to the level that Ben Johnson demands. So we
have to start from there before we even put him
on the field playing in a real game. So there's
an awful lot to learn for Caleb Williams. So this
is almost a rookie season all over again. As a
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pure talent throwing the football, he's phenomenal. But before you
get to that, there's so much more that he has
to learn, and I hope people understand that that's going
to take time.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
So Kevin O'Connell JJ McCarthy, Kevin runs advanced schemes. This
is like McVeigh Stafford. Matt Stafford is a sharp guy,
and that's one of the reasons that McVeigh was so
attracted to him in Detroit. I mean, I've seen the
study habits of Stafford. They're kind of legendary. So do
you think the advanced schemes, because I like Minnesota's offensive personnel,
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do you think the advanced schemes helper hurt JJ McCarthy
helper hurt him.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
Well, I think they're they're advanced, but in other ways
they're theoretically simpler in the sense that what Kevin O'Connell
is really good at, just like Kyle Shanahan is really
good at, is they're really good at getting the primary
read open and available for the quarterback because they're really
good at understanding defenses, which is critical as a play caller.
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You're not calling plays in a vacuum. You're calling plays
based on your sense of defensive tendency and probability. And
one thing Kevin O'Connell's really good at. We saw that
with Sam Darnold last year, which is why Sam had
such a good season One of the reasons anyway, is
he's so good at getting that primary read open, and
that will be critical for JJ McCarthy this year because
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my guess is JJ McCarthy in these early stages of
his development is not going to be great yet at
working through progressions, certainly not full field progressions.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
So I think that's a critical.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Piece of how JJ McCarthy can do this year, and
all that gets tied in with your footwork and the
timing of routes. There's so much that goes into that
that will be a work in progress as well.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
So I watched bo Nicks twice live in college. He's cut,
he's fast when you watched all his tape. My take
is we don't watched Denver as much as we watch
those NFC East teams, and people just don't realize how
good of an athlete he is. When you look at
bow Nick's rookie tape, what are people missing about him?
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Because his numbers were better than Jayden in many instances.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
I think what people miss and I would say I
probably missed it to some degree as well when I
did his college tape, even though I liked him, is
I think his arm is better than people gave it
credit for. And when I say arm strength, I'm not
talking about the ability to throw the ball sixty or
seventy yards.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I'm talking about the ability to.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
Stick throws in the middle of the field, dig balls,
you know, eighteen to twenty two yards, in breaking routes
between and over defenders.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
He threw the ball really, really well. Those are really.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
Armstrained throws, those kinds of throws, and I think that
he throws the ball a lot better than people give
him credit for.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Now.
Speaker 8 (27:53):
I think there's clearly some things that he has to
work on. I'm sure Sean Payton would tell you that
he's only going into his second year. But I think
in terms of sheer physical traits as a passer, he's
a lot better than he's been given credit for. And
you've probably been around him. He's a pretty big kid, Colin.
He's not a small guy. And he's a very good athlete. Yeah,
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very very good athlete.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I noticed when I went to the Utah Oregon game
and I sat behind the bench, and he is ripped.
I mean he is. He's not trying to show off.
He has just cut very little body fat. So Drake
may came in I think we both like Drake May
we said the comp was justin Herbert and there at
the times I've watched him, and he does look a
little like Herbert. I mean the size, the number, the
way he moves. Is there anything you saw? Now he's
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got a better coach. They spent three hundred million books
around him online play. What was your overall appraisal of
him in the rearview mirror? Now watching year one and
his growth.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
Very impressed, given, as you know, colin a bad situation,
maybe one of the worst five O lines in the
NFL A receiving corps that I mean, I would bet
a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Couldn't even name their receivers.
Speaker 8 (29:03):
So given the situation he was in, I thought he
handled himself really well. You'd expect him to be up
and down in that situation, and he was. But I
think overall, you're dealing with a kid that's big, he's physical,
he throws the ball really well, he can move.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
I mean, I don't think there's anything.
Speaker 8 (29:21):
And again we're not there, so we don't know the
mental capacity of how he assimilates all the information that
he needs to assimilate. Obviously, it's Josh McDaniels now as
the OC. We'll see how that goes. But you're dealing
with a guy that has pretty higher level traits and
it might take some time.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
And he's learning a brand new offense. I'm not sure.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
People realize how difficult that is. You've been around, you've
seen play calls, you've seen how all that works. That's hard.
It's hard to assimilate a brand new offense. He just
went through a rookie year where he had to work
his tail off mentally, and now all of a sudden,
he's starting from scratch with a whole new offense, probably
brand new terminology.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
So that takes time.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
When you talk about the physical and athletic traits, he's
got them.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You know, this off season, you know, I know it's
a slow off season for all of us in the
talk show business, but there was a little bit of
a week long theory Jalen Hurts when GMS and coaches
pulled privately their thoughts on the top ten quarterbacks, Jalen
Hurts was like nine. And my take has always been
I trust Greg Cosel, and I've said this, he reminds
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me of a more talented Dak Prescott. I like his EQ.
I like his IQ, I like his toughness, I like
his leadership. I don't love him from the pocket. I
never loved Dak from the pocket. I just thought he
was a smart, tough, gritty leader. When you hear that
Jalen Hurts, the GMS, the scouts, the coaches are like,
he's ninth best. What is your takeaway? Unhurts the quarterback?
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Well, I think every quarterback for the most part, and
it becomes a function in many ways of their team.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
And Hurts is very much that kind of player.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
When you think about the Eagles and how they won
a year ago the Super Bowl, my guess is most
people the first thing they say is not, boy, that's
Jalen Hurts's team. I mean, this was a team with
a running back that had historical season. They've got the
best O line in football, they had the best defense
in football. Jalen Hurts is a piece of a really
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good team, and they do a lot of things that
are difficult to defend. And let me give you a
few examples, and I've spoken to coaches this offseason about it.
They are a four down offense. Literally, once they get
to let's say the minus forty five yard line or
the fifty yard line. So now what happens is defense
is when it's third and eight, have to play them
totally differently because you know what they're going to run
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the ball on third and eight. Most teams will never
consider running the ball on third and eight, So now
you have to think, how do I play defensively because
they're going to run the ball, because if they get
to fourth and two, they are going to go for it.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
And Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 8 (31:59):
Is a critical critical piece of their third down and
fourth down offense. And one of the things he does
exceptionally well. And I heard this a lot this offseason.
Everybody talked about AJ Brown and how critical it is
that he can win one on one on the outside
because Jalen Hurts. The best thing about his throwing Colin
is he works outside the numbers. He can throw the
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fade ball, he can throw the go ball, and AJ
Brown gets a ton of one on one because of
the nature of their run game, which of course Jalen
Hurts is a significant part of. So he's a critical
piece in what he brings. But if you're comparing him
to let's say the quarterbacks that we think of as
being the elite guys that can, in a sense be
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the guys that win games by themselves. He probably does
not fall into that category.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
So I said, my prediction is when quarterbacks get old
and rich, they do not want to get hit. And
Aaron Rodgers last year Eli at the end of his career,
he didn't want to get hit. Brady was practicing how
to get sacked. When I watched Aaron at the end
of last year, it was a lot of underneath stuffs.
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He didn't want to take hits, and I blame him
the Jets old life. Well, Pittsburgh can't solve their offensive line.
We're on six years in a row now, Greg and
their early reports from camp are he's not throwing the
ball down the field. And my take is, outside of
Matt Stafford, very few old, wealthy quarterbacks are willing to
take a helmet to the chin strap. He's one of one.
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I think the problem with Aaron in Pittsburgh is he
liked the Jets. He will not trust that O line.
What do you think of that?
Speaker 8 (33:42):
I wish I had time to tell you a great
Jim Kelly story, but that'll be for another time. But anyway,
you know, I think The key thing here is the
tackle position for the Steelers, because Broderick Jones, going into
his third season, has not really shown that he's a
quality NFL offensive tackle, and that's a concern.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Look, the litmus test for offensive.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
Tackle in the NFL is can they pass protect one
on one on third down? And right now the Steelers
have a question about that. And if that remains a
question in the regular season. Your point about Rodgers is
one hundred percent right. He's not going to want to
get hit. He's going to want to get rid of
the football. He won't be immobile, but he certainly doesn't
have the mobility that he had four or five, six,
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seven years ago, So it'll be very interesting.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
And then Arthur Smith.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
Obviously they'd like to run the ball as the foundation
of their offense.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
That's going to be the absolute critical piece. You know,
Rogers still throws the ball as well as.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
Anybody, but I'm not sure at this point in his
career behind that old line you want to ask him
to drop back forty times a game.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
No, you do not.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
So the Lions lose Benjo, they lose two great coordinators.
And I said, I've said multiple times, the Eagles go
to a Super Bowl, lose their coordinators, hire the wrong guys,
and then at one point lost six to seven games.
We pay attention to quarterbacks and head coaches, but a
lot of coaches that are not great scheme coaches need
they're very reliant on a scheme, like, for instance, Dan
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Campbell's not known Dan Campbell, Nick Siriani, You're not great
scheme guys. They're culture guys. And so losing Ben Johnson
to me is a big deal. It wouldn't be a
big deal for Shanahan or Andy Reid, but I think
Dan Campbell is more of a culture guy that is
reliant on a great OC. When you looked at Ben
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Johnson last year, did we even undervalue him how important
he was? I mean, I always felt like everybody was
backpedaling against them because they had so much effectiveness with
trick plays a dominant O line. I don't think Detroit's
going to be as good this year. I don't think
they're going to be as clever and creative.
Speaker 8 (35:46):
It'll be interesting because here's the question that we don't
know the answer to. Because now Jared Goff was in
that system with Ben Johnson for what three four years?
I'm not sure we give Jared Goff enough credit. We
just spoke about how Caleb Williams has so much to learn.
GoF really mastered that offense, so the question is how
much input will he have Johnny Morton. I believe he
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is the new OC and he was there, so obviously
they can keep a lot of the same principles and concepts.
But now you get into game play calling, which we
won't know the answer to that at all. But schematically,
what Ben Johnson does to me is so good. The
spacing he has versus his own coverage, it's beautiful, really
defines it exceedingly well. But you know, you're dealing with
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a quarterback in GoF, and as I said, I'm not
sure we give him enough credit because he doesn't in
many ways fit the mold of how we see quarterbacks
now in the NFL because he's not a run around guy.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
But you know, Goff really handled everything in that offense.
Speaker 8 (36:44):
There are so many elements to that, as we discussed
with Caleb Williams. So we'll see how Detroit is, but
I think GoF plays a big role in this.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
You know, it's funny you mentioned that because I read
it this week and I forget where I read it,
but somebody said on the online I thought it was smart, said,
Ben Johnson may be great and Caleb's greatly talented. What
if they're stylistically a bad match. Like Kyle Shanahan does
not want quarterbacks running out of his plays. He does not. Now,
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I do wonder if Ben and Caleb it's not his guy,
he didn't draft him. If stylistically it may not be
a perfect fit.
Speaker 8 (37:22):
Greg No, but no coach wants the quarterback to run
out of their place.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I'm telling you that it's a backcomum. You know.
Speaker 8 (37:29):
Obviously there's obviously there's certain guys that can do that
really well. And then the coaching staff goes, hey, great play,
because they make great plays.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
But no coach. You know, look, I've been a training camp,
so I'm sure you have.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
These coaches work fifteen hours a day. No offensive coordinator
is calling a game or any play to have the
quarterback not execute it the way it's supposed to be executed. Obviously,
they understand there are times that can't happen, but they
don't want it not to happen because the quarterback screws
it up. They want it not to happen because the
defense happens to win the down. So there's no coach
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that wants the quarterback to just randomly break down and
disrupt the play. So it's not that Caleb Johnson's a
bad fit. Caleb Johnson needs to excuse me. Caleb Williams.
Caleb Williams needs to learn all this and then as
a parachute as the last thing, then the ability to
make those special plays comes into play.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
But that can't be the first thing.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
And finally, I tried to be very positive with Stuart Sanders.
I did not like what I heard about his interviews
pre draft. I did not like the kind of lack
of self awareness legendary in his draft room. But I
was like, listen, he's accurate, he moves pretty well, good pedigree.
And then he got two speeding tickets and I'm like, Okay,
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you're not serious. You're not as serious. I need to
grown up for this position. And so I don't have
high hopes. And I said this for years. I think quarterback,
it's almost unfair, but we need you to be have
the maturity of your dad at twenty three. That's why
the Mannings all work. They're all like you. Know they're
very mature people, So I don't have particularly high hopes
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because I've seen a lack of self awareness and judgment
for Shadur. Is there anything on tape you love or
don't love as he plays tomorrow in the exhibition.
Speaker 8 (39:17):
Game, Well, I think what his tape showed, and look,
he was a fifth round pick, and he's a fifth
round pick for a reason. Now can fifth round quarterbacks
make it? Of course they can. So I'm not going
to sit here and say whether he will or won't.
But I think what you saw on tape was a
quarterback that's a little smaller than you'd ideally like, that
throws the ball well, but not incredibly well. I think
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he's accurate, but not quite as super accurate as a
lot of people make out.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
And that's based on film study. That's not an opinion.
Speaker 8 (39:45):
And I've had that conversation, by the way, with coaches,
and he's essentially a pocket quarterback.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
He's not a statue.
Speaker 8 (39:51):
But if he were to be a really good NFL quarterback, Colum,
it would have to be because he's a pocket quarterback.
He's not a playmaker. He doesn't give you a play
making dimension. He's not Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen. He's
not going to be that guy. So that's what he is.
Those kinds of quarterbacks in the NFL tend to be
complementary pieces.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
They can be really really good.
Speaker 8 (40:13):
I mean, you could argue Jared goff as that kind
of quarterback. He's far more talented than Schadur Sanders. But
I mean, essentially, he's a pocket quarterback. So he needs
a really good coaching staff, he needs team, he needs
a lot of things around him to be successful.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Maybe he will be.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah. The two best pocket guys are Stafford and Golf,
and they are great throwers of the football. They are
elite great, Yes, yeah, I mean I think Golf has
probably the most underrated arm in the league. Not the best,
but the most underrated arm in the league. Jared Goffs
and you know that Stafford. Let me tell you something.
Stafford is so highly respected in the league.
Speaker 8 (40:48):
Everywhere I go, all people want to talk to me
about is Matthew Stafford and how great he is. And
I'm not sure fans in general think about him that way,
but he's so highly respected.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Co sell great. Seeing you his first appearance of many
and have yourself a great Friday in a great weekend.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
All right, thanks Colin, really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah, no, it's ah so yeah. And again, I just
it's amazing to me that people would downplay two speeding
tickets for a fifth round quarterback in a week. It's
just it's I had a situation. All these coaches and gms,
they they watch all these shows and they listen. They
are just there information junkies. I can remember just a
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small thing I remember as an aside during the Combine
when Will Levis showed up in the sleeveless shirt with
a gun show and I was like, oh, so bad.
He's trying. He wants, he wants, you know, he's trying.
I had an NFC coach call me after the show
leave a message. I called him back and put me
on speaker phone with somebody and they were laughing. They
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were like, oh god, we just we just thought it
was the most ridiculous thing. And then I had an
AFC executive. I had a text with him two or
three times and he's like, what you what matters to you.
You're sending signals at the Senior Bowl, You're sending signals
at the Combine. Sometimes in games you're emotional. You do
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things that you know, you know it's in the heat
of the battle. But when you're in a combine or
a Senior Bowl or a practice, you're sending signals and
these gms they're watching all of it. You get two
speeding tickets as a fifth round quarterback. Every team that
passed on him laughed at him. The New York Giants, everybody, Oh,
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Jackson Dark Giants were laughing at that. Remember how bad
Shoodoor's interview reportedly was with the Giants and they were like,
we got we got questions on self, awaren And they
were laughing at that. So don't let your critics laugh,
make them, make them wish hope they sit in there going.
Remember when Letterman left NBC and went to CBS and
Letterman had this hysterical opening press conference. It was genuinely
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laugh out loud off the script. Funny, you knew the
NBC executives were watching that CBS press conference going, we
probably just should have paid him. He's the funniest guy
on the planet at the time,
Ah, it is Thursday and a great day. We are
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It's one of my favorite fifteen minute segments every football season.
We do it on Thursdays. J Mac, you used to
be in a business kind of a blogg a sphere
and most of the ninety nine percent of those things
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did not do well. And I remember when I spotted
your site. I had told friends, I said, I like
the McIntyre site because you can tell he's like he
can break story. He's like serious, he's not doing silly stuff.
Like there's like serious stories here. It's sourced. And I
(01:07):
want to start my show talking about that because it
was one of the things I noticed before we had
even met a bloggsphear can be just nonsense in whimsical
and yours wasn't you were breaking stories And that's kind
of a theme today for quarterback. So I saw this
headline from Archie Manning and he says arch will not
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turn pro next season. He'll be at Texas for the
next to two years. Yeah, that's what you have to say.
If he beats Ohio State and Columbus wins the Heisman
or doesn't and gets into the National Championship game, it
would be really bad business to stay in college. And
I know almost every Manning pretty well. They're good at business,
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and they say the right thing when they have to
college sports for truly gifted athletes, like a Cooper Flag.
It's like that first really cool apartment you live in
when you make a little money and you're like, I'm
never leaving this place. And then eventually you get a
real job with a VP in the title and you
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don't want to share walls or the pool, and you
you forget about it really quickly. Arch Manning made six
point five million last year at Texas nil. Reportedly, cam
Ward made forty eight point seven guaranteed number one pick.
Arch Can I can I interest you in a forty
two million dollar loan? Hook? What? Yeah? This is the
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classic Manning's saying the right thing, and a lot of
times in society. I mean, I think the term is true,
but I get tired of it. Woke. Well, you're just
not being honest, you know, when you're really important Sometimes JD.
Vance should not talk about ever being a president. Keep
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it to yourself. Lebron Manning's Mahomes, Brady. I've seen Mahomes
step to the microphone and just say the right thing,
not necessarily the most honest, authentic thing. That's what happens.
And the Manning family is American Football Royalty. So this
is exactly what you say. We Cooper Flag said it,
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Oh Duke, and then he talked to Nike, and then
you're the number one picked and here's fifty six large.
I love Duke so much. I'll go visit when they
play Caroline if I have time. Arch Manning, if he's
as good as I think he is, he's got to
go pro. I know Cooper, I know Eli, I know Peyton,
(03:44):
I know Archie, and I don't know Arch. But Sark
talking about Arch sounds a lot like Cooper and Eli
and Peyton. Manning.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
His work ethic is incredible, whether it's you know, studying, take, studying, film,
studying the playbook, working at his craft, you know, in
the weight room like that. That that is, whether it's
innate in him or it was you know, handed down
from his uncles, whatever, whatever it was, his work ethic
is really pretty incredible and that lends itself to the
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teammate that he is too.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And that's an interesting way to describe him. Jumping into
my next segment, now, I will tell you ninety percent
of you will disagree with his take. And I've been
doing this for twenty five years. I believe in it
strongly and always have. So did you notice when Sark
talked about arch and oh, by the way, Eli Manning
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could be, you know, funny on Saturday Night Live. But
if you described Peyton Manning you would say intense. Bill
Poullion once said he was a heath clincher. If you're
describing Tiger Woods, you'd be like, obsessed, intimidating, Michael Jordan, Kobe,
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Bryant Brady. It's not a coincidence that the greatest athletes
of my life are borderline crazy, obsessed, serious people. And
I am hoping when Shadur Sanders plays Tomorrow night, I
can't wait to watch. I'm rooting for them. I mean,
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I don't like the speeding tickets, but they lead me
to my topic today. It is totally unfair that at
twenty three years old, as an NFL quarterback, you are
held to a totally different standard, not only from every
twenty three year old you know, but from every twenty
three year old professional athlete. You have to be twenty
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three going on forty three, not even thirty three, because
some of you are still doing shooters at the you know,
Captain Van Daanges on a Friday night, right, like, I
know where you're at. You're doing stuff that's really not inappropriate.
You hope your boss doesn't walk in right right at
thirty three at forty three, houtful that you have kids,
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you're a grown up, you're a vice president. You're not
doing it quarterback in the NFL. It's almost unfair. Jalen
Hurts is twenty seven, he acts forty seven. I've never
seen a quarterback that good at the podium. Ever. He
is the best quarterback I've ever seen at the podium.
He surpasses the second best I've ever seen, Dak Prescott.
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No jokes, they're like accountants should bring a briefcase. And
this is something that's always bothered me about shoulder and Miles.
Garrett was asked to describe his personality here it is.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I mean, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
He's optimistic, playhearted. Who's funny. Jameis Winston was funny. Drew
Lock was lighthearted. Cam Newton is the best college football
player I have ever seen. He was the size of
a defensive end, but he was playful. Drew Lock, remember
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that piece of video. That's all I needed to see.
I know all your frat bros, they loved it. I
get it. The cigarette bros absolutely love that. I get it.
It's not what I want. Dak Prescott his rookie year.
It may have been preseason or it was early in
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the season, did something and you guys made fun of it.
But there was a piece of garbage on the field
behind cowboy bench. He's in the middle of a game,
and he walked by it and turned around, grabbed it
and put it in the garbage. And I'm like, oh,
that's grown up. He understands. It's like when you go
to a funeral, don't smile and don't laugh. You have
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to be on Dak Prescott understands. I'm the cowboy quarterback.
I am always on. Years ago in the Patriots building,
they did a little test. This is true story. They
would randomly put stuff on the floor to see if
people picked it up when they interviewed them. To this day,
when I walk down the halls of Fox, just in
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case my bosses are watching, I always stop and pick
up a piece of garbage. It matters, and it's unfair.
I don't want my quarterbacks to be, as Miles Garrett said,
fun lighthearted. I'm not interested in lighthearted at all. Jameis
Winston the best thing he's ever done worked for Fox.
It was funny. He also threw thirty picks a year.
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It's not fair. But the harbaws Nick Saban Sean Payton
are almost offensively intense. I mean, there are times Nick
Saban's so intense it's intimidating. And yet Nick Saban is
five foot six. Did you know that he plays really big.
Sean Payton, I'm much taller than he is. He feels
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bigger than I do. I don't want my quarterbacks to
be fun lighthearted in the draft room, but legendary. It
was also fun in that car doing one to four
in a forty five. I'm sorry, but it matters. I
like the traits of Shadeur Sanders. I like his size.
I think he's more mobile than people say. I think
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he throws a beautiful football off platform er on it.
I think he's a much better pro prospect than Dylan Gabriel.
Obviously many of you disagree. But one of the things
that's always bothered me, he's kind of silly. I don't
want silly. I'm not interested in silly. There's so many
things pedigree, size, accuracy, I like about him, but it's
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just one of those things. It is just there was
am I'll give you another example. I don't love brock Purdy,
but there was a moment with b Pretty. He was
at a concert about a year ago with George Kittle.
George Kittle is shot gun and beers and oh, by
the way, brought pretty just like a funeral. Don't laugh,
you're always on. Brought Pretty, carried the beers in. He
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wouldn't bite. He wouldn't bite. He didn't want that meme. Nothing.
Let the crazy tied end do it. I'm not biting.
He's going, yeah, George, you keep doing it. He wouldn't
do it. He didn't want that anywhere. Because if you
do that and people see it, and you go on
a four game losing streak, the GM sees it. And
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by the way, I will get three to four texts
today from GMS and they'll be like, you're absolutely right.
And every time I do that stuff I get texts.
Is that most twenty three year olds are listening saying
that's ridiculous. It is in ninety eight percent of the
work environments in the country. One of the things that
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impressed me about Dak and Jalen Hurts. It's not how
they throw it from the pocket. I've said this about Tua.
Tua's grown up Tyreek Hill isn't Hurts is unbelievable. When
people say Lamar Jackson he gets tight in the playoffs, Yeah,
damn righty does because he cares so much. Lamar Jackson
gets furious at Lamar Jackson. It's one of my favorite traits.
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And I do think he gets tight in the playoffs,
and I do think Peyton Manning did for years. If
the biggest fault is the dude is really intense, sign
me up for that, Sign me up for Lamar Jackson
and early Peyton Manning. But there's that Drew Locke video
keeping a real Man. I got the vibes and y'all
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loved it, and I couldn't stand it. And it was
only ten seconds, and I'm like, dude, do that at home.
You're on you're smiling at a funeral, You're trying to
be the face of a franchise. I don't like it.
I wouldn't like my GM doing it. I wouldn't like
my head coach doing it. Remember that Chaduur Flacco thing.
(12:08):
There's a little piece of video with Shadur and Flacco
here in camp, and it's not the end of the world.
Nobody's saying it is. As I always say, everything's something,
nothing's everything. But remember that little piece of video. Do
we have the sound up on that when Flacco and
Chaduur and Chadeur's asking him about dancing? Do we have that?
Speaker 4 (12:25):
That's that? Definitely not.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
I don't know if I've ever heard a public dance
movie in my life.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Joe Flacco's been to a super Bowl and won a
Super Bowl, and if I recall he was the MVP
of the Super Bowl, it matters at least to me,
all Right, they hate mail, will be flying in and
keep it coming because it is a thing. It really
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is a thing, and it just is one of those things.
I think about it all the time, and there are
different in life. By the way, I've joked about this
for years. Whenever I'm hiring a young person like twenty
or thirty, I don't want somebody that loves golf. Now
by the time you get gray hair and you're old,
I don't care old guys. I'm really into golf. The
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last three years, the gray er my hair gets. But
I'm out of that space now. But when you're twenty
and thirty and you're not making much and I need
you to work fifty five to sixty hours a week,
I'm not working that much anymore. I got a bigger
staff in it. But when I used to be in
this business looking for young people, I didn't mind what
your hobbies were. I didn't want golfers. I didn't want
golfer because golf has an addictive quality. I'm going through
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that now over the last three years. Once the number six,
that's different than two three on the name on the number.
And so I will say this, the brock pretty thing
really struck me I was like, you can say what
you and I've never been a huge brock pretty guy.
But one of the things Sam Darnold said about him,
like one of the reasons that Kyle Shanahan was so
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impressed with him is his maturity. They were like, he's
just not your typical twenty four year old and maybe
that's unfair, but it's really impressive. Part of what NFL
teams do. They have these conversations Can we hand the
keys of our franchise to this young guy? That is
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a conversation networks have that I've worked at. Can we
give this person their own show? It's his show, it's
his staff. We can't babysit him. We're not there every day.
Can you give the keys to the franchise? And you
watch brock perty and like he knew, come on, George
a couple more. He wouldn't bite. He would not bite.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
J Mark.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
When you get your show someday that Marquis, You're gonna
have to settle down because you are a wild child
on the beach of the Manhattan Beach.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
From what I hear, so basically this week you are
against backwards visors and you are against shotgutting beers on
stage at a concert. Okay, you're basically captain on Fund.
You know you've heard of the fun Uncle, the Funkal.
You're like the opposite of that. You are Unfund Colin.
Oh my gosh, golf really no, So what about basketball?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
You're good with me and the men's leagues.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I've got a big playoff game. You get your cardio in.
Get your cardio in. Hi, everybody, I understand that I
always had a thing with golf. When your hair gets Greg,
go for it before that. I don't want to hear
your golf that they did plan on seven courses. That's
just me. Everybody's got a different vibe. Greg co Sell's
coming up in forty five minutes. You know I love
Greg co Sell. A very serious man, by the way,
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very serious.
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Speaker 1 (16:20):
Welcome back. You are now entering the No Bull Zone
sponsored by Incredible Great Raids, None of the Ball. So
I was talking about this at the very end of
the show yesterday about Brian Schottenneimer. I don't think the
Dallas Cowboys is the easiest job. I do not think
it's the toughest job. So there were seven new coaches,
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and by and large, you take over a team that's
either rudderless, it just it's not worth very Rarely do
you get a Matt Lafleur where you get Aaron Rodgers
in his prime. That's the best job opening in probably
twenty years, is that the Green Bay Packers with Aaron
Rodgers in his prime. Aaron and Mike McCarthy had a
falling out, but that's a great job. Stability everywhere, no chaos.
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Aaron was great, roster was good. But there were seven
job openings this year. One of them New England is
the easiest lift. You're not replacing Belichick. You have one
of the smarter, more powerful owners. You have great game
day revenue. They got plenty of money. You know again,
Drake May, I think is going to work and even
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worked last year without any help. And you got the
Dolphins and the Jets both kind of dysfunctional in your division.
That's the easiest job now. I do think there are
some that are like I think the Raiders is a
big lift. I got Harbaugh, Herbert bo Nix, Peyton, Andy Reid, Mahomes,
and the great Kansas City chiefs in division. You could
get it right in that division for several years and
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finish fourth. I think the Raiders is a tough lift.
I think the Bears historically very weak ownership, old week ownership,
too many kids, involved, a lot of pressure, loud market,
top media. Quarterback Ben Johnson. You don't know if Caleb
can play. I mean, we don't know yet. I think
he's talented, but we don't know. I also think the
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Jets ownership men GM who knows, it's another guy, it's
a turnstile. I think the Jets is a hard lift
the culture there is just not great. A lot of
impulsive moves and it's there's a lot of too many,
too many cooks in the kitchen. But the Dallas Cowboys,
Brian Schottenheimer, it's not an easy lift. You have a
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medaling owner and Mike has got a holdout and and
and the Micah holdout thing. It's substantial. He's arguably, I
don't think he's as gifted as cd Land, but he's
really really good. And here is Brian Schottenheimer shot he
talking about the Micah Parsons issue.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
We're still planning on moving Mike around and putting him
in all the spots that we see him and using
our fronts the way we want to see it. And no,
we just uh, you know, we go about our business
every day. We live in the moment. We folks in
the moment. And again, like I said you guys the
other day, I'm not going to get a lot into it,
but you know, uh, I expect Mikeay.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
To be here.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
But I think one of the reasons this is an
easier job than some of the other jobs is Dak Prescott.
Dak is the Honda Civic of this league. You never
have to worry about getting to work. It will not
break down right like, his floor is very high. I
think you'd be surprised how many games Dak has won
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when he's healthy. I think it's second. If I may,
I may be wrong since he got drafted. I think
it's second to the Eagles in the NFC. He has
an incredibly high floor. You don't have to worry about silliness.
He's an excellent leader high iq EQ. This is really
the value of Dak Prescott. This has always been the
value to me. I don't think he's great from the pocket,
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but Dallas is a loud market with an aggressive media.
Talk radio remains very big in Dallas. Newspaper columnists have
influence of the Dallas Morning News. It's still one of
the only markets where sports guys get more than forty
five seconds. It matters. It's a loud, aggressive sports market,
and Dak fundamentally is a complete grown up. And so's
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That's the one thing. Jerry's gonna meddle. Jerry lost his fastball.
Micah Trayvon Diggs are upset. George Pickens watch out. But
this has always been Dak's value. Can you imagine if
you had a less serious quarterback than DK Scott. What
a mess this would be. I've always said this, Dak's
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talent I think is very middle of the pack. The
iq EQ stuff top three or four in the league.
Until Jalen Hurts arrived, I thought he was the best
guy I'd ever seen at the podium.
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Speaker 3 (20:54):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
It's a Thursday. It is our number two. Appreciate you. Stop.
But I'm going to the live tour Saturday and maybe
out there and grabbing my clubs. Get some bombs out there, jam.
I'm excited to watch.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
Isn't it cool to do sports against like real professional athletes.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
It's exciting. Bryson de Shamba will be out there. I'm
fired up for it. So it's this is a fun
time of the year. Tomorrow night, Shador Sanders is gonna
play the two ninety min hour speeding tickets and the
pre draft interviews and the legendary you know draft room.
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I don't love that stuff. I don't. I don't think
he's a terribly serious young man, and I think the
position demands that we'll find out tomorrow though, is could
he be a great backup? Or is he good enough
for Cleveland at the end of the year or it's
trade deadline to move him for a draft pick. I think.
I think Cleveland, who has two first round picks, wants
to this year get his as many picks as they can.
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If they can move Kenny Pickett here in the preseason,
if they can move Shador Sanders into the season. If
you get six round picks, you're just looking for nine, ten, eleven,
twelve picks. So if you give up six to move
up a couple slots, that's which That's that's the game.
It's an exact science. And speaking of inexact the Chicago
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Bears new coach Caleb Williams, let's bring in Greg co
Sell for the first time in our football season forty
six years NFL film. So you spend your off season watching,
like you know, every snap of these quarterbacks, the red
zone standups, what you do. So one of the things
that always worries me about a quarterback is if they
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have a college problem footwork, hero ball, and it becomes
a problem very early in the NFL, So they're either
uncoachable or they don't have a coach that knows how
to fix it. So my concern on Caleb is little
hero ball holds it too long. Those were knocks at USC.
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So when you looked at all in hindsight the snaps,
what do you see that absolutely has to be worked
on going in the year two.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
Well, there's a lot to unpack with Caleb Williams. I
think that if you just watch his tape from a
year ago, some concerns are just his ability to.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Sort of have a feel in the pocket.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
He had a tendency to step up when there was
no need to step up.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
So what that would do is it would.
Speaker 8 (23:32):
Bring him closer to the offensive line and the pass rushers,
and so he created his own pressure at times. And
obviously he's just not a guy that saw it as
cleanly as you like, So he held the ball too long.
But think about this, Colin. You watch a ton of
college football as well, And this is not a test question,
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but let's throw this out. What do quarterbacks in college
never do? Most of them they do not huddle. Now
you're with Ben Johnson, Okay, he's essentially a rookie. Now,
Caleb Williams, you almost have to forget about what happened
last year because now what he's learning is he's learning
very wordy play calls that have a lot of alerts.
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Sometimes there's two play calls that are built into a
particular verbiage, and then there's shifts, there's motions, there's all
kinds of things that he has to learn just to
get from the huddle to the line of scrimmage with
a reasonable amount of time on the play clock, so
that when the shifts and the motions happen, he has
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time to see how the defense responds. This is the
operational part of playing quarterback that he's never really done before,
not to the level that Ben Johnson demands. So we
have to start from there before we even put him
on the field playing in a real game. So there's
an awful lot to learn for Caleb Williams. So this
is almost a rookie season all over again. As a
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pure talent throwing the football, he's phenomenal. But before you
get to that, there's so much more that he has
to learn, and I hope people understand that that's going
to take time.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
So Kevin O'Connell JJ McCarthy, Kevin runs advanced schemes. This
is like McVeigh Stafford. Matt Stafford is a sharp guy,
and that's one of the reasons that McVeigh was so
attracted to him in Detroit. I mean, I've seen the
study habits of Stafford. They're kind of legendary. So do
you think the advanced schemes, because I like Minnesota's offensive personnel,
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do you think the advanced schemes helper hurt JJ McCarthy
helper hurt him.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
Well, I think they're they're advanced, but in other ways
they're theoretically simpler in the sense that what Kevin O'Connell
is really good at, just like Kyle Shanahan is really
good at, is they're really good at getting the primary
read open and available for the quarterback because they're really
good at understanding defenses, which is critical as a play caller.
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You're not calling plays in a vacuum. You're calling plays
based on your sense of defensive tendency and probability. And
one thing Kevin O'Connell's really good at. We saw that
with Sam Darnold last year, which is why Sam had
such a good season One of the reasons anyway, is
he's so good at getting that primary read open, and
that will be critical for JJ McCarthy this year because
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my guess is JJ McCarthy in these early stages of
his development is not going to be great yet at
working through progressions, certainly not full field progressions.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
So I think that's a critical.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Piece of how JJ McCarthy can do this year, and
all that gets tied in with your footwork and the
timing of routes. There's so much that goes into that
that will be a work in progress as well.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
So I watched bo Nicks twice live in college. He's cut,
he's fast when you watched all his tape. My take
is we don't watched Denver as much as we watch
those NFC East teams, and people just don't realize how
good of an athlete he is. When you look at
bow Nick's rookie tape, what are people missing about him?
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Because his numbers were better than Jayden in many instances.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
I think what people miss and I would say I
probably missed it to some degree as well when I
did his college tape, even though I liked him, is
I think his arm is better than people gave it
credit for. And when I say arm strength, I'm not
talking about the ability to throw the ball sixty or
seventy yards.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I'm talking about the ability to.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
Stick throws in the middle of the field, dig balls,
you know, eighteen to twenty two yards, in breaking routes
between and over defenders.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
He threw the ball really, really well. Those are really.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
Armstrained throws, those kinds of throws, and I think that
he throws the ball a lot better than people give
him credit for.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Now.
Speaker 8 (27:53):
I think there's clearly some things that he has to
work on. I'm sure Sean Payton would tell you that
he's only going into his second year. But I think
in terms of sheer physical traits as a passer, he's
a lot better than he's been given credit for. And
you've probably been around him. He's a pretty big kid, Colin.
He's not a small guy. And he's a very good athlete. Yeah,
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very very good athlete.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I noticed when I went to the Utah Oregon game
and I sat behind the bench, and he is ripped.
I mean he is. He's not trying to show off.
He has just cut very little body fat. So Drake
may came in I think we both like Drake May
we said the comp was justin Herbert and there at
the times I've watched him, and he does look a
little like Herbert. I mean the size, the number, the
way he moves. Is there anything you saw? Now he's
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got a better coach. They spent three hundred million books
around him online play. What was your overall appraisal of
him in the rearview mirror? Now watching year one and
his growth.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
Very impressed, given, as you know, colin a bad situation,
maybe one of the worst five O lines in the
NFL A receiving corps that I mean, I would bet
a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Couldn't even name their receivers.
Speaker 8 (29:03):
So given the situation he was in, I thought he
handled himself really well. You'd expect him to be up
and down in that situation, and he was. But I
think overall, you're dealing with a kid that's big, he's physical,
he throws the ball really well, he can move.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
I mean, I don't think there's anything.
Speaker 8 (29:21):
And again we're not there, so we don't know the
mental capacity of how he assimilates all the information that
he needs to assimilate. Obviously, it's Josh McDaniels now as
the OC. We'll see how that goes. But you're dealing
with a guy that has pretty higher level traits and
it might take some time.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
And he's learning a brand new offense. I'm not sure.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
People realize how difficult that is. You've been around, you've
seen play calls, you've seen how all that works. That's hard.
It's hard to assimilate a brand new offense. He just
went through a rookie year where he had to work
his tail off mentally, and now all of a sudden,
he's starting from scratch with a whole new offense, probably
brand new terminology.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
So that takes time.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
When you talk about the physical and athletic traits, he's
got them.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You know, this off season, you know, I know it's
a slow off season for all of us in the
talk show business, but there was a little bit of
a week long theory Jalen Hurts when GMS and coaches
pulled privately their thoughts on the top ten quarterbacks, Jalen
Hurts was like nine. And my take has always been
I trust Greg Cosel, and I've said this, he reminds
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me of a more talented Dak Prescott. I like his EQ.
I like his IQ, I like his toughness, I like
his leadership. I don't love him from the pocket. I
never loved Dak from the pocket. I just thought he
was a smart, tough, gritty leader. When you hear that
Jalen Hurts, the GMS, the scouts, the coaches are like,
he's ninth best. What is your takeaway? Unhurts the quarterback?
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Well, I think every quarterback for the most part, and
it becomes a function in many ways of their team.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
And Hurts is very much that kind of player.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
When you think about the Eagles and how they won
a year ago the Super Bowl, my guess is most
people the first thing they say is not, boy, that's
Jalen Hurts's team. I mean, this was a team with
a running back that had historical season. They've got the
best O line in football, they had the best defense
in football. Jalen Hurts is a piece of a really
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good team, and they do a lot of things that
are difficult to defend. And let me give you a
few examples, and I've spoken to coaches this offseason about it.
They are a four down offense. Literally, once they get
to let's say the minus forty five yard line or
the fifty yard line. So now what happens is defense
is when it's third and eight, have to play them
totally differently because you know what they're going to run
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the ball on third and eight. Most teams will never
consider running the ball on third and eight, So now
you have to think, how do I play defensively because
they're going to run the ball, because if they get
to fourth and two, they are going to go for it.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
And Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 8 (31:59):
Is a critical critical piece of their third down and
fourth down offense. And one of the things he does
exceptionally well. And I heard this a lot this offseason.
Everybody talked about AJ Brown and how critical it is
that he can win one on one on the outside
because Jalen Hurts. The best thing about his throwing Colin
is he works outside the numbers. He can throw the
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fade ball, he can throw the go ball, and AJ
Brown gets a ton of one on one because of
the nature of their run game, which of course Jalen
Hurts is a significant part of. So he's a critical
piece in what he brings. But if you're comparing him
to let's say the quarterbacks that we think of as
being the elite guys that can, in a sense be
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the guys that win games by themselves. He probably does
not fall into that category.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
So I said, my prediction is when quarterbacks get old
and rich, they do not want to get hit. And
Aaron Rodgers last year Eli at the end of his career,
he didn't want to get hit. Brady was practicing how
to get sacked. When I watched Aaron at the end
of last year, it was a lot of underneath stuffs.
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He didn't want to take hits, and I blame him
the Jets old life. Well, Pittsburgh can't solve their offensive line.
We're on six years in a row now, Greg and
their early reports from camp are he's not throwing the
ball down the field. And my take is, outside of
Matt Stafford, very few old, wealthy quarterbacks are willing to
take a helmet to the chin strap. He's one of one.
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I think the problem with Aaron in Pittsburgh is he
liked the Jets. He will not trust that O line.
What do you think of that?
Speaker 8 (33:42):
I wish I had time to tell you a great
Jim Kelly story, but that'll be for another time. But anyway,
you know, I think The key thing here is the
tackle position for the Steelers, because Broderick Jones, going into
his third season, has not really shown that he's a
quality NFL offensive tackle, and that's a concern.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Look, the litmus test for offensive.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
Tackle in the NFL is can they pass protect one
on one on third down? And right now the Steelers
have a question about that. And if that remains a
question in the regular season. Your point about Rodgers is
one hundred percent right. He's not going to want to
get hit. He's going to want to get rid of
the football. He won't be immobile, but he certainly doesn't
have the mobility that he had four or five, six,
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seven years ago, So it'll be very interesting.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
And then Arthur Smith.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
Obviously they'd like to run the ball as the foundation
of their offense.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
That's going to be the absolute critical piece. You know,
Rogers still throws the ball as well as.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
Anybody, but I'm not sure at this point in his
career behind that old line you want to ask him
to drop back forty times a game.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
No, you do not.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
So the Lions lose Benjo, they lose two great coordinators.
And I said, I've said multiple times, the Eagles go
to a Super Bowl, lose their coordinators, hire the wrong guys,
and then at one point lost six to seven games.
We pay attention to quarterbacks and head coaches, but a
lot of coaches that are not great scheme coaches need
they're very reliant on a scheme, like, for instance, Dan
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Campbell's not known Dan Campbell, Nick Siriani, You're not great
scheme guys. They're culture guys. And so losing Ben Johnson
to me is a big deal. It wouldn't be a
big deal for Shanahan or Andy Reid, but I think
Dan Campbell is more of a culture guy that is
reliant on a great OC. When you looked at Ben
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Johnson last year, did we even undervalue him how important
he was? I mean, I always felt like everybody was
backpedaling against them because they had so much effectiveness with
trick plays a dominant O line. I don't think Detroit's
going to be as good this year. I don't think
they're going to be as clever and creative.
Speaker 8 (35:46):
It'll be interesting because here's the question that we don't
know the answer to. Because now Jared Goff was in
that system with Ben Johnson for what three four years?
I'm not sure we give Jared Goff enough credit. We
just spoke about how Caleb Williams has so much to learn.
GoF really mastered that offense, so the question is how
much input will he have Johnny Morton. I believe he
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is the new OC and he was there, so obviously
they can keep a lot of the same principles and concepts.
But now you get into game play calling, which we
won't know the answer to that at all. But schematically,
what Ben Johnson does to me is so good. The
spacing he has versus his own coverage, it's beautiful, really
defines it exceedingly well. But you know, you're dealing with
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a quarterback in GoF, and as I said, I'm not
sure we give him enough credit because he doesn't in
many ways fit the mold of how we see quarterbacks
now in the NFL because he's not a run around guy.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
But you know, Goff really handled everything in that offense.
Speaker 8 (36:44):
There are so many elements to that, as we discussed
with Caleb Williams. So we'll see how Detroit is, but
I think GoF plays a big role in this.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
You know, it's funny you mentioned that because I read
it this week and I forget where I read it,
but somebody said on the online I thought it was smart, said,
Ben Johnson may be great and Caleb's greatly talented. What
if they're stylistically a bad match. Like Kyle Shanahan does
not want quarterbacks running out of his plays. He does not. Now,
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I do wonder if Ben and Caleb it's not his guy,
he didn't draft him. If stylistically it may not be
a perfect fit.
Speaker 8 (37:22):
Greg No, but no coach wants the quarterback to run
out of their place.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I'm telling you that it's a backcomum. You know.
Speaker 8 (37:29):
Obviously there's obviously there's certain guys that can do that
really well. And then the coaching staff goes, hey, great play,
because they make great plays.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
But no coach. You know, look, I've been a training camp,
so I'm sure you have.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
These coaches work fifteen hours a day. No offensive coordinator
is calling a game or any play to have the
quarterback not execute it the way it's supposed to be executed. Obviously,
they understand there are times that can't happen, but they
don't want it not to happen because the quarterback screws
it up. They want it not to happen because the
defense happens to win the down. So there's no coach
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that wants the quarterback to just randomly break down and
disrupt the play. So it's not that Caleb Johnson's a
bad fit. Caleb Johnson needs to excuse me. Caleb Williams.
Caleb Williams needs to learn all this and then as
a parachute as the last thing, then the ability to
make those special plays comes into play.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
But that can't be the first thing.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
And finally, I tried to be very positive with Stuart Sanders.
I did not like what I heard about his interviews
pre draft. I did not like the kind of lack
of self awareness legendary in his draft room. But I
was like, listen, he's accurate, he moves pretty well, good pedigree.
And then he got two speeding tickets and I'm like, Okay,
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you're not serious. You're not as serious. I need to
grown up for this position. And so I don't have
high hopes. And I said this for years. I think quarterback,
it's almost unfair, but we need you to be have
the maturity of your dad at twenty three. That's why
the Mannings all work. They're all like you. Know they're
very mature people, So I don't have particularly high hopes
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because I've seen a lack of self awareness and judgment
for Shadur. Is there anything on tape you love or
don't love as he plays tomorrow in the exhibition.
Speaker 8 (39:17):
Game, Well, I think what his tape showed, and look,
he was a fifth round pick, and he's a fifth
round pick for a reason. Now can fifth round quarterbacks
make it? Of course they can. So I'm not going
to sit here and say whether he will or won't.
But I think what you saw on tape was a
quarterback that's a little smaller than you'd ideally like, that
throws the ball well, but not incredibly well. I think
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he's accurate, but not quite as super accurate as a
lot of people make out.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
And that's based on film study. That's not an opinion.
Speaker 8 (39:45):
And I've had that conversation, by the way, with coaches,
and he's essentially a pocket quarterback.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
He's not a statue.
Speaker 8 (39:51):
But if he were to be a really good NFL quarterback, Colum,
it would have to be because he's a pocket quarterback.
He's not a playmaker. He doesn't give you a play
making dimension. He's not Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen. He's
not going to be that guy. So that's what he is.
Those kinds of quarterbacks in the NFL tend to be
complementary pieces.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
They can be really really good.
Speaker 8 (40:13):
I mean, you could argue Jared goff as that kind
of quarterback. He's far more talented than Schadur Sanders. But
I mean, essentially, he's a pocket quarterback. So he needs
a really good coaching staff, he needs team, he needs
a lot of things around him to be successful.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Maybe he will be.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah. The two best pocket guys are Stafford and Golf,
and they are great throwers of the football. They are
elite great, Yes, yeah, I mean I think Golf has
probably the most underrated arm in the league. Not the best,
but the most underrated arm in the league. Jared Goffs
and you know that Stafford. Let me tell you something.
Stafford is so highly respected in the league.
Speaker 8 (40:48):
Everywhere I go, all people want to talk to me
about is Matthew Stafford and how great he is. And
I'm not sure fans in general think about him that way,
but he's so highly respected.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Co sell great. Seeing you his first appearance of many
and have yourself a great Friday in a great weekend.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
All right, thanks Colin, really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah, no, it's ah so yeah. And again, I just
it's amazing to me that people would downplay two speeding
tickets for a fifth round quarterback in a week. It's
just it's I had a situation. All these coaches and gms,
they they watch all these shows and they listen. They
are just there information junkies. I can remember just a
(41:32):
small thing I remember as an aside during the Combine
when Will Levis showed up in the sleeveless shirt with
a gun show and I was like, oh, so bad.
He's trying. He wants, he wants, you know, he's trying.
I had an NFC coach call me after the show
leave a message. I called him back and put me
on speaker phone with somebody and they were laughing. They
(41:54):
were like, oh god, we just we just thought it
was the most ridiculous thing. And then I had an
AFC executive. I had a text with him two or
three times and he's like, what you what matters to you.
You're sending signals at the Senior Bowl, You're sending signals
at the Combine. Sometimes in games you're emotional. You do
(42:16):
things that you know, you know it's in the heat
of the battle. But when you're in a combine or
a Senior Bowl or a practice, you're sending signals and
these gms they're watching all of it. You get two
speeding tickets as a fifth round quarterback. Every team that
passed on him laughed at him. The New York Giants, everybody, Oh,
(42:37):
Jackson Dark Giants were laughing at that. Remember how bad
Shoodoor's interview reportedly was with the Giants and they were like,
we got we got questions on self, awaren And they
were laughing at that. So don't let your critics laugh,
make them, make them wish hope they sit in there going.
Remember when Letterman left NBC and went to CBS and
Letterman had this hysterical opening press conference. It was genuinely
(43:01):
laugh out loud off the script. Funny, you knew the
NBC executives were watching that CBS press conference going, we
probably just should have paid him. He's the funniest guy
on the planet at the time,
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