August 11, 2025 • 34 mins
Colin discusses Shedeur Sanders’ performance in his preseason debut against the Panthers and why Shedeur showed he’s always had the talent to perform in the NFL but questions about decision making and leadership is what gives people pause. He tells you why he was right about Chargers head coach Jim Harbaugh and why he was wrong on Arch Manning. Plus, he talks to 3-time Pro Bowl QB Matt Hasselbeck about the Bears decision to sit quarterback Caleb Williams and what this tells us about his development under new head coach Ben Johnson
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Jamax.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
We finally got some football, and the quarterbacks play Joe
Burrow's plan. Over the course of the weekend, the tours
plan starters are playing. Matt Shafford didn't We knew that,
but Kamin Williams interestingly did not play.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
And I want to get to that. Okay, justin Field
look good.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, So one hour from now, Colin Wright, Colin Ranck.
So what's interesting is Mike Sando. We'll have him on tomorrow.
His annual survey came out this morning. So Mike Sandal
has been doing this for a year it's kind of
the bible of what the league thinks that it's quarterbacks.
He has fifty voters, so he has six GMS, six
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assistant gms, six former gms, eight head coaches, five execs,
nineteen assistant coaches. So this is a wide array of
opinions upstairs below upstairs, people who have played against quarterbacks,
and so the tiers are pretty predictable.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I don't have any real squabbles.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Your Tier one is mahomes Borough, Allen, Lamar, Jackson, Stafford.
I agree with that. Tier two is Daniels, Herbert Gobb,
c J. Stroud, Jalen Hurts, Baker, Jack Jordan Love brock Perty.
I'd have tier three. They got bow knicks closer to
the middle than the top. I'd probably change that. But
here's what's interesting. Caleb Williams is bottom of Tier three,
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but fifteen voters, about thirty percent of voters already knowing
what a mess the Bears were last year. That wasn't
Caleb's fault the coaching staff. Fifteen voters have Caleb in
tier four. Tier four, I'm not even putting on the screen.
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It's old Russell Wilson, It's Daniel Jones, it's Spencer Rattler,
It's it's Joe Flacco. Thirty percent of the voters are yeah,
not gonna work that to alarm me. Here's the other thing.
There were a couple of quotes from coaches, and I've
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said I'm rooting for Caleb. I'm now in Chicago a lot.
I want the football team to be good. Here's two
quote from coaches. One of them a defensive coordinator who said,
in terms of processing ability and getting the ball out
of his hands, he was the worst quarterback we played against.
He holds the ball forever. A head coach in the
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NFL said his processing to me was alarming watching the
tape alarming. Also, before the game, a lot of quarterbacks played.
Joe Burrow, played Mahomes, played Ben Johnson because they had
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a scrimmage against Miami earlier in the week. Ben Johnson
decided not to play them at all yesterday. And here
was Ben Johnson's reasoning.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
There is no substitute for real life bullets. I get that.
But at the same time, when you can accumulate seventy
plus reps in a day, that's pretty good. That goes
a long way in terms of were you want to
go with the connection with the quarterback and his pass catchers.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, and a lot of other quarterbacks in those inner
squad games, whatever you want to call him. They had
sixty seventy stamps too. Bryce Young played, Joe Burrow played,
Mahomes played, Spencer Ratler played, everybody but Tom Brady played
this weekend.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
And he did not. Caleb didn't.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
And I'm a fan, but there is a certain weight
to this quarterback situation. I said it when he got
drafted by Chicago, and it has now been reported by
me and Seth Wickersham. This was not their first choice.
This is a big, loud, aggressive media. It is a
poorly owned franchise with a GM that got an extension
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based basically on one big tray that got him DJ
Moore and draft picks.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I look at it and I think to myself, was
Ben Johnson actually, could I suggest this sort of protecting
Caleb from the court of public opinion, that it's kind
of a standalone, big TV game.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Let Miami in two.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I get all the speculation in the heat, We're we're
gonna let him, you know, just let him sit and
watch this thing. It's not like he couldn't use the snaps.
When tech companies delay the release, okay, it's usually because,
like you're still in the beta stage, right, you're just
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not quite comfortable putting it out to the public. And
everybody in house knows it, but you're just let you know.
We just we're just gonna not release our product yet,
says Apple. We just want to tighten it. I mean
the product is great, it's gonna be revolutionary, but it's
just not quite there. I think there's some eggshells here.
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I think Caleb's not quite where Ben Johnson wants him.
That is okay, and I don't blame him for all
of last year's sacks and the mess. But everybody played
this weekend. I mean Starter's played a lot. Let's talk, Shadeur.
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I love that Nike's already got Nike's already.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Got an ad out.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Sam Donald was almost MVP last year. Could you get
an AD for Sam Darnald?
Speaker 5 (06:18):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Okay, so only a matter of time, says the poster.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
So I want to throw this at you. There is
a video and it's not hostile of Schadeur Sanders after
making a point after his first preseason game of finding
a local very popular local guy, Tony Gross. He's a
talk show. He's a very popular guy. I don't listen
to a lot of Cleveland radio, but I know who
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he is, very, very popular. And again it's it's not
it's not ugly. And I do think Shadeur is a
good kid. I question his judgment and maturity, but they
kind of laugh in the end.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
It's fine. But this thing is like, Chadure, what are
you doing? Get out of there.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I don't want you watching Tony Grosy TikTok clips. And
here's the thing I've said about Shador and I've defended him.
His size, his arm, his mobility are all good enough
to be a franchise quarterback. And I think his accuracy
I think it's really good. I think it's really good,
moving stationary. I like his accuracy you're seeing there. These
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are pro athletes. He moves around fine, and I think
he's very that's a very accurate throw. I think his
traits they are and the size of the mobility, I
think they're all good enough to be a mid tier
NFL quarterback.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I do at Dak Prescott level.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I do. I think he throws a better ball than Dak.
But he's not great at him. He's not Cam, he's
not Big Ben, he's not Josh Allen, he's not Mahomes,
he's not Stafford. So he's going to have to be
better in the other thirty to forty percent of quarterback play,
which is maturity focus EQ, film study, pre snap excellence.
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By the way, Tom Brady's traits doesn't move at all,
doesn't have a huge arm. Tom's the best ever. At
the other stuff. Dak Prescott is a C plus in
the pocket throwing the ball down the field. Guy Dan
Moulini's college coach, said that, but Dak is a plus
plus plus leadership IQ EQ, at the podium, film study,
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pre Snapdak's great. So if you're not outstanding in the
trait stuff and I like Schaduer and he's not, I
do think his accuracy is an excellent trait.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I'll argue.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I'll even argue with Greg Cosell. I think he throws
a really beautiful catchable ball. He's an easy thrower. But
I would like to say Herbert's this. Herbert just comes
out in the ball's accurate. C J. Stroud ball comes
out on platform, off left, right, up back. C J.
Stroud's accurate, Herbert's accurate. I think shaduer and I also
think he moves much.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
He's not d on.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Everybody says, why guys mom's at log ability. Well, his
mom must be a good athlete because he moves well.
And shandour had a good game. But my take is,
and I'm tired of Cleveland fan saying, Colin, you're making
a lot out of this little stuff. Oh right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's what you said about Johnny Manziel at Baker Mayfield
and Deshaun Watson's court stuff in Houston. How about you
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set this one out. Browns fan, you're all for three on.
It's no big deal. The speeding tickets. His own GM
called him dumb. This right here, Chad or you're a
good kid, get out of there. Don't look for sympathy
and support from local radio. Guy watch film and again,
it's not the end of the world. He is a
good kid. But the judgment thing for him is going
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to have to be exceptional. He is not big Ben,
Josh Allen, Cam Steve Young fart. That's not what he is.
And Brady knew it, and Peyton Manning knew it. Peyton
Manning never threw a tight spiral. Peyton Manning didn't move well.
Peyton Manning had a good arm. It never rocket. So
when you're not, the trades aren't a Dak had so
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much self awareness. I said this from the very beginning.
Dak was one of those strangely mature guys, like twenty three.
Dak was twenty three going on thirty three. Jalen hurts,
he's not real big and not a great pockup guy.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
He's like twenty seven going on forty seven.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
So this is where Shador has got to get that
stuff tightened up. Don't worry about what local media says, like,
just stay away from that stuff and Cleveland fan sit
it out. You've been telling me for years that stuff
doesn't matter. I've been right three out of three times.
You got rid of Baker. I told you get off
television in the commercials. Baker, just get the quarterback thing right.
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Forget the commercials. He was good in the commercials. Here's
Kevin Stefanski on whether Chador's going to get number one
quarterback reps this week.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
I'm really focused on all of our quarterbacks development and
every single one of these reps. We have a standard
for that position and really every position, but certainly the
quarterback position. There's a standard by which we play and
how we play and how we operate and how we
take care of the football and those type of things.
So there are things that Shadur can clean up. He
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will clean up.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And I don't want to hear your anti Shadur, No,
I'm not. I thought he was underdrafted. I thought Jackson
Dart was overdrafted. He's more of a second round pick.
I think Shador was underdrafted. And when you watch him play,
he's very comfortable. He's a real six two to two eighteen.
He's not a weight room junkie, but he's he's if
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you're six foot two, you're in the ninety six percentile
in this country. Anytime you see him standing around normal guys.
He's tall, he carries his weight well. He's not spindily
like Teddy Bridgewater or is Matt Ryan skinny or golf.
He's not top heavy like Will Levis. He looks like
a franchise quarterback six two eighteen, easily accurate, moves very well.
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He's not great at that stuff, but he is absolutely
to me a franchise quarterback with all that stuff. He
didn't have a weird delivery. He's not slinging it side arm.
He's a franchise quarterback. But he better be buttoned up
on the other stuff because that's what's made Dac rich,
not the arm, not the traits.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Traits are probably sixty percent of this stuff, sixty to
sixty five percent.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
But the other thirty five percent.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
If I told you to be successful in life, sixty
five percent is you know, DNA, but thirty five percent
is discipline. Well, you better be disciplined. That's a big
chunk of life, all right. J mc colin Wright, Colin wrong.
This this quarterback tiers is is Sando's on the show tomorrow.
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I love it for a million reasons. By and large,
I agree with most of it. I do think bow
Nicks under Tua Boenis is more athletic, with a better
arm and never been hurt. Feels a little wonky, but
that's probably the NFL executives telling you how much they think.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Of Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
They think Peyton has taken Bow to a level that
he's probably not by himself. It doesn't bother me. We'll
talk about more about this today and tomorrow. But the
other thing is, I know you're a Jets fan, not
a Giants fan. But the Jackson Dart thing is interesting.
Oh yeah, it's and he looked good. I can take
it wrong on that. I thought, look, you know again,
it's it's backups whatever. He's playing with him and he's
playing against him. But I want to address Jackson Dart
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and the Giants because there is something.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I'm tired of hearing about quarterback.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Well they're young. Well they you know, they just got
into the league. I don't want to hear that with
Jackson Dart. We'll talk about that next.
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Speaker 1 (14:29):
Matt Hasselbecca's around the corner, quarterbacks, all of them, Joe
Burrows playing, Mahomes is playing.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Everybody but Aaron and Matt Stafford. They're not playing. And
we'll get to the Matt Stafford back injury on that.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
It was fun. I said, and watched the Bears and Dolphins.
I watched the Jets and the Packers. Boy, Jets looked
like it's one of the great teams ever assembled in Lambeau.
It's always funny how good the Jets look in August, interesting, amazing,
and they got Jones coming off the pup list.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
That's the kid at.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
FSU who was awesome two years ago. Missed all of that.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I'm just telling you that defense has a chance to
be nasty.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
The front seven.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Saft Gardner got paid.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
He's happy. The defense will be a problem.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
No, I am plath Aaron Glenn's defensive coach. I don't
doubt that. Here you go, all right, we do it
every Monday. It's more fun, obviously when we have football.
Colin right, Colin wrong, And here we go.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Jim Harball a couple of years ago when he drafted
Joe Alt. Remember last year's draft and everybody said, oh
I should have taken a receiver. Well, Tate, we defended him.
We said, now go Joe Alt. And Joe Alt is
saving the season. Rashaun Slater's out for the year at
left tackle. They can move Joe Alt, who I've been
told has had a great camp. They can now move
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him to the left tackle. Mackai Beckton maybe goes to
right tackle. But this is why he's the anti Mike McDaniel.
It's all about building center guard tackles out, not wide
receivers in And that Joe alt pick. Everybody wanted a receiver.
They got Ladink Honky in the second round. They were fine.
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That Joe Altpick could have saved the season.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Well, arch Mannings family is saying he's staying at Texas
two more years.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
So I will take for now a wrong.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I think if he slices up Ohio State, there is
going to be incredible momentum, and I think he's really good.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I didn't watch a ton of them.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I thought he was better than quin Ewers, more athletic
throws a better ball. For now, I'll take a wrong.
I think it's the right thing to say. In the
mannings usually say the right thing, So I'll take this.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
L Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Joe shed Dolphin's reporter reporting that culture, accountability, and physicality
are what Mike McDaniels is preaching in this camp.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
What a shock.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
That's exactly what we've been saying, and it got We've
gotten pushback from Dolphin fans. My take is, lott of sizzle,
three years into this coaching reign, where's the stake, where's
the meat and the sandwich? They're not physical, Tyreek Hill
sort of says and does what he wants. What makes
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McVeigh or Shanahan or Andy Reid's special is their teams
are physical and they can be finesse. Finally, I at
least appreciate the coach acknowledging what the issue is.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Fifty NFL executives and coaches came out in Mike Sando's
annual survey and They've got bow Knicks tied for the
twentieth best quarterback in the league, below Geno Smith.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Gino Smith's been in.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
This league eleven years, He's made the playoff once. Bo
Nicks has been in the year in the NFL, one
year in a division. Last year with Herbert Harbaugh, Andy
Reid and Mahomes in the AF scene, he made the playoffs.
I Sean Payton and I love bow Nicks were apparently
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on an island because they even have him below Tua,
who's smaller, not his athletic, more injury prone, and I'd
say bo Nick slightly has a better arm.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I don't get it where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Well, not to pick on anybody, but the last two
years people have been telling me quinn yours is something,
and I keep saying, I don't see the great traits.
Five of eighteen, two fumble, sack twice. I didn't get it.
At Texas, I don't get it. I don't see what
everybody sees.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I know he dropped to the seventh round, but before
the draft people were talking second, third, fourth, I don't
see it.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
You gotta have a trait.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I go wow with not a great anticipatory thrower. You know,
he kind of slings it did not look like he
was I mean, he looked like it's a long way
to go. And that's what I've been saying for two years.
Where Colin was wrong. I thought Jackson dark was better
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than an anticipating I thought he threw with anticipation. I
always thought he was pretty athletic. I thought he looked
really poised. I thought he looked really comfortable, you know,
like a Bonnicks. Maybe a little more athletic than I
gave him credit for. But you know, when he got drafted,
I said, I probably wouldn't give up picks that.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Draft him in the first round, but you have to
be pretty happy.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Twelve to nineteen, one hundred and fifty four yards again,
looked comfortable playing with the backup offensive lineman, good arm strength.
I thought he was impressive. I thought he was really impressive.
Where Colin was right, I don't want to hear about
Anthony Richardson's age. Okay, he's hurt again. Nobody cares about
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age and experience. You're in year three. You got to
be able to play. And so I had said this
going into the season. He has Shane Stichen, one of
the really bright offensive mind, and he regressed last year,
so he was a boomer, a bus pick. I just
think by this time you can't be taking those hits,
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and it feels like a.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Miss where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Even the NBA is acknowledging with their Christmas and Opening
Day schedules, the league is lopsided. The Christmas games are
the San Antonio Spurs against the thunder Rockets, Lakers, MAVs, Warriors,
t Wolves Denver. They have one Eastern Conference game and
it's the Knicks. The West is so much better than
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the East. Honest to god, it feels like the sect
in the Pac twelve.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
For about fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Even their opening night games are one hundred percent Western
Conference teams. And that's with big brands out east Philly,
New York, Heat, Celtics.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
So we've said this before.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
You put Lebron in the Lakers out east, they can compete.
Luca Lebron, Austin Reeves could compete to get to the
Eastern Conference finals. They're a five seed, probably maybe a
six to a seven in the West.
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Speaker 1 (21:26):
And with that, oh, I'm interesting interested, excuse me and
Matt hassel back eighteen years in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
I'm very interesting, and you are interesting, Colin.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
You are.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
It's supposed to be a little Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
First, I'm going to start with them jealous because you
and I love this. Took the train and went to
a Nate Bargazi, great comedian in Boston last night. You
just got back. I think he's absolutely outrageously funny. So
I'm just gonna say right now, I'm not only jealous
of your pro career but your comedic choices.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
So congratulations. You're a little road and I appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
But listen, you were at the Live tour, so it's
not like you had a boring weekend.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
I mean, come on, let's let's lie here, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
So I said, it's okay if you don't want to
pay play Caleb Williams. But I do think it was
a little strategic. Burrow played, Mahomes played, Spencer Ratler played everybody,
but Tom Brady played like the whole world played this weekend,
And it was almost like he was saying, you know
he's not quite there. I don't need another week of
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heat from the Chicago media. He took a lot of
snaps in practice. It felt a little strategic, but it not.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Yeah, I sort of agree.
Speaker 9 (22:41):
I mean, everything that Caleb Williams does because he was
the first pick overall, because they basically got rid of
everyone around him last year, built the team around him
this year, everything he does is under the microscope. So yeah,
I'm sure there is some of that protecting him. There's
also something with joint practices now where coaches don't feel
like they need to play there ones in the preseason
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game because they get those reps in a controlled environment
where guys don't take hits, where the quarterback where's a
different color jersey, and you know you're keeping your guy healthy.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
And I think that might be part of this.
Speaker 9 (23:14):
Also, if there wasn't a joint practice, I think he
would have played in the game.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Okay, So I said this sort of about Jackson Dart.
You and your generation got thrown to the Wolves. You
didn't have ten thousand snaps by the time you were fourteen.
Jackson Dart is a three year starter in the SEC
with Lane Kiffen. It's had private coaching seven on seven.
I don't want to hear about you know what, we're
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going to work him in. It's like, you know what, Matt,
they got a great left tackle, a number one receiver.
I think Brian Dabole is a pretty darn good offensive coach.
I maybe you give Russell the first start. This is
not Anthony Richardson forty one college starts in the SEC
with Lane Kiffin. Why would you not just figure out
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if the kid can play?
Speaker 9 (24:05):
Yeah, I hear what you're saying, and I'm actually just
peeking at some of.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
The ages of some of the rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (24:11):
I mean, just because the guy's a rookie doesn't mean
he's the youngest guy.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Bo Nicks is twenty five years old as an example.
But no, I did. I grew up in the era
of you know, you sit on the.
Speaker 9 (24:22):
Bench for a while. I mean Tom Brady did that,
Aaron Rodgers did that. I know that was my experience
as well. I think the New York Giants have been
burned and so they are really sticking to the plan.
They've invested heavily in veteran quarterbacks, in leadership, in processed,
driven guys who've been there, done it, made mistakes, had
success in Jamis Winston and Russell Wilson. So I think
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they're going to be slow and measured and patient with
Jackson Dart, who they do like a lot. But I do,
but I don't think he's ready. And I do think
the best plan is to start a guy like Russell
Wilson and let Jackson watch. But here's the danger. Don't
just have him sit there and watch, train him and
prepare him to play the way that Patrick Mahomes was
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trained in preparing to play when he was sitting back
watching Alex Smith start during his rookie year at the
Kansas City Chiefs. There's activeness to the passivity of being
the backup if you do it right.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
So I watched every snap Shador Sanders took, and I
know there's a lot I don't know, film study, galvanizing teammates,
coach ability, pre snap stuff. I've always understood that's thirty
thirty five forty percent of quarterback. I don't see that,
but I do see. How comfortable are you frenetic? Are
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you comfortable? Are you confident? Do you move well? All
the stuff that I'm allowed to see, I think Chadur's
college trades transfer to the NFL. I think he was accurate.
I think he's more. I'm tired of hearing he's a
pocket guy. He moves I have highlights.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
He moves fine. I don't know how he is off.
I don't know film, but I was impressed with him.
Why should I not be?
Speaker 9 (26:13):
Yeah, I think there's a lot of encouraging things there.
I mean on the field, he's a guy that looks
like he belongs. I don't think he's going to be
their starting quarterback this year. I think Joe Flackle will
be their starting quarterback. And it's just a weird situation
because they've got four guys and someone's got to go.
You would think, well, Kenny Picketts missed so much time
in training camp, he really hasn't been around. And then
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the young quarterback Gabriel, he's you know, he's been injured also,
So this is an opportunity for Shudor. My big question
is will the Cleveland Browns have the courage to keep
four quarterbacks? And courage is the word I'm using because
it's like no one else does that.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 9 (26:53):
But you know, Ray Rhodes, one of my old head
coaches used to say, Hey, we're going to kill a
mosquito with a sledgehammer at this position, and it's like,
you know, that's.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Not the best way to kill a mosquito, but I
get the point. We're going to overdo it.
Speaker 9 (27:06):
And I think this is a quarterback that has this
is a team that has gone without a quarterback for
so long that they might just say, hey, listen, it's
that important of a position. We like what we have here,
the traits that he's showing. Let's hold on to him
and develop him on the field. He doesn't give me
pause at all. He doesn't worry me at all off
the field, and what he's like in the locker room.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
That's the part that I just don't know.
Speaker 9 (27:28):
There are some red flags, but it's hard for me
to sit here and judge that from where I'm sitting.
But I just know that, you know, being the backup
quarterback to someone like Joe Flacco, you're probably not going
to have a guy walking with you on your entrance
getting off the bus. This year, it's going to be
a different feeling from being the star quarterback in college
to potentially, you know, the second third or maybe even
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fourth string quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
So Burroll played.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I don't want Aaron Rodgers playing behind backup offensive lineman
at his age. I don't want Kirk Cousins playing. We'll
get a stafford in about three minutes. But I just
want to ask Burroll played Mahomes play. Did you want
to when you were not at your last year? But
I'm talking about maybe four years left to play, So
you don't want to get hit, and you know the
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game and you know the reads, But did you want
to be out there in pre season?
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Yeah? Absolutely I wanted to play.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
And like when Mike Hongrin was the head coach, like
we basically had this kind of agreement and he basically.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Was like, all right, you can play until.
Speaker 9 (28:30):
You take a hit, like until you take an unnecessary hit,
until you take a hit.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
You know. The tough thing for me.
Speaker 9 (28:35):
As a starting quarterback, I would feel bad for my
offensive lineman because they had to stay in the game
as long as I was in the game. And so like,
you know, I'm putting them at risk. Maybe I'm not
at risk, but I'm putting them at risk, you know.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
And so like.
Speaker 9 (28:47):
Usually I think, like after about a quarter you're feeling like, okay,
it's time to go now. The one thing that I
did like and I thought was really good in terms
of process is I liked, you know, coming in at halftime,
getting used to that half time break, and then coming
back out and having a drive or right before the
end of the first half, getting a chance to work
on two minutes with all your new hand signals, with
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any players that are new players on your team. Those
things are really valuable that you don't get to simulate
in practice, but sure you want to compete. You want
to be out there, and usually you need the coaches
to say no, no, no, time for you to sit down.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
You don't get to play anymore today.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
So Matt Stafford didn't. He's not even dressing for practice.
And as I've aged, I feel pretty good. My back
isn't great. I wake up, need to stretch. Matt Stafford's
got a back injury. He's taken a lot of hits,
most of them in Detroit. Is that worry you a little?
Speaker 9 (29:48):
Well, you're back. It doesn't surprise me. First off, Okay,
sitting is the new smoking. You sit all day long,
so your back probably feels like trash. No, I am
concerned about Matt through Stafford's back. I had a bad
back injury in two thousand and eight. Usually you can
tell how bad a quarterback's back injury is by if
the team sends him to California to see doctor Bob Watkins.
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If they do that, you know it's serious. Now it's
a little harder here because he's already in LA. But no,
I'm concerned. I'm definitely concerned if you take the factors
of his age and all those types of things. Listen,
in eight, I hurt my back in a preseason game
against Tarad Allen and the Minnesota Vikings. It was just
like this weird thing. It wasn't that bad, but it
never got better. It like never got better that entire year.
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And you know, the closest thing I could equate it
to is like you burn your mouth, like on a hot.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Piece of pizza or something, and.
Speaker 9 (30:41):
It just it doesn't get better quick And that's kind
of what the back injury typically is. There's all different
types of back injuries, but they just don't seem to
get better quick And then even if they do get better,
you've missed all this time of like heavy weight training
or physicality that goes into your off season and you're
just not the version of yourself that you normally are.
So I'd be very concerned if I was a Rams
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fan right now, just because Stafford is valuable and it's
just not a great place to be.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
I've been there.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
JJ McCarthy made one really good throw, it was a heater,
and then in another throw he badly overthrew an open
receiver and it was a heater. And I've heard these
comments they're trying to get him to do some off
speed stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Everything.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I remember when Kaepernick was in that was the knock
like everything's a fastball. And I think to myself, I
mean he's been playing since he was probably seven. Like
they're teaching them how to play quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I look at that and I think you don't hear
very often. We're a first round quarterback. You're trying to get,
you know, trying to the tempo of the speed of
the ball. I'm like, that's I mean, Kevin O'Connell is
probably a great teacher, but what do I what do
I watched him and I thought it's fine, but like
there is kind of one speed. What do I make
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of those comments.
Speaker 9 (31:56):
Well, he's got good coaches and Kevin O'Connell and Josh McCown.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
We trust those guys.
Speaker 9 (32:01):
But to me, I would say, you got to use
the other clubs in your bag. It can't be driver
three with two iron, four four iron. Sometimes there's a
there's a there's a nine iron in there, there's this,
there's a sand wedge. I mean, uh, there's there's phrases
in the quarterback room like KYP know your personnel. If
you're throwing to certain guys, has got to be a
different club. Sometimes you're throwing over defenders instead of through lanes,
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and so those are all things that I think come
with experience. He played a lot at Michigan, didn't throw
the ball ton at Michigan. But I think what JJ
McCarthy has, he's got the intangibles that you cannot coach.
I think you can coach the what club in the
bag are you use it?
Speaker 5 (32:38):
I think you can coach that.
Speaker 9 (32:40):
I'm someone who would buy on the Minnesota Vikings right now.
I think this is a good team. I think this
quarterback will have a good year. But certainly the analogy
that you used with a young Colin Kaepernick. I think
that's a great example of a guy that you know
has a great arm, a very strong arm, can throw
a tight spiral, throw it far.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
But the clubs in the bag certainly a thing.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Matt Hasselbeck road weary, I mean just literally racing to
the in front of his screen to get on the
on the show, buddy, and I always appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
The effort awesome. See you Colin all right?
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Uh, Matt Hasselbeck, Yeah, it's I I think his comment
on Shador his mind. Sixty percent of this quarterback position
we can all see. We don't see the forty percent,
and that is Should's got to be really good at that.
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Dak Is, Jalen hurts Is Brock perty is because they're
not Their traits aren't exceptional. Shoulde's traits aren't exceptional. But
if I have to hear again, he's just a pocket guy.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
No, he's not.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
He can move, He moves better than a lot of
quarterbacks in this league. And he's also it matters he's
in his athletic prime. For the next seven years. He's
in his athletic prime.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
So uh, I thought it was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I thought it looked like it did Colorado, accurate, mobile, enough, arms,
good enough.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
It matters.
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Speaker 1 (00:42):
We finally got some football, and the quarterbacks play Joe
Burrow's plan. Over the course of the weekend, the tours
plan starters are playing. Matt Shafford didn't We knew that,
but Kamin Williams interestingly did not play.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
And I want to get to that. Okay, justin Field
look good.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, So one hour from now, Colin Wright, Colin Ranck.
So what's interesting is Mike Sando. We'll have him on tomorrow.
His annual survey came out this morning. So Mike Sandal
has been doing this for a year it's kind of
the bible of what the league thinks that it's quarterbacks.
He has fifty voters, so he has six GMS, six
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assistant gms, six former gms, eight head coaches, five execs,
nineteen assistant coaches. So this is a wide array of
opinions upstairs below upstairs, people who have played against quarterbacks,
and so the tiers are pretty predictable.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I don't have any real squabbles.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Your Tier one is mahomes Borough, Allen, Lamar, Jackson, Stafford.
I agree with that. Tier two is Daniels, Herbert Gobb,
c J. Stroud, Jalen Hurts, Baker, Jack Jordan Love brock Perty.
I'd have tier three. They got bow knicks closer to
the middle than the top. I'd probably change that. But
here's what's interesting. Caleb Williams is bottom of Tier three,
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but fifteen voters, about thirty percent of voters already knowing
what a mess the Bears were last year. That wasn't
Caleb's fault the coaching staff. Fifteen voters have Caleb in
tier four. Tier four, I'm not even putting on the screen.
(02:30):
It's old Russell Wilson, It's Daniel Jones, it's Spencer Rattler,
It's it's Joe Flacco. Thirty percent of the voters are yeah,
not gonna work that to alarm me. Here's the other thing.
There were a couple of quotes from coaches, and I've
(02:52):
said I'm rooting for Caleb. I'm now in Chicago a lot.
I want the football team to be good. Here's two
quote from coaches. One of them a defensive coordinator who said,
in terms of processing ability and getting the ball out
of his hands, he was the worst quarterback we played against.
He holds the ball forever. A head coach in the
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NFL said his processing to me was alarming watching the
tape alarming. Also, before the game, a lot of quarterbacks played.
Joe Burrow, played Mahomes, played Ben Johnson because they had
(03:36):
a scrimmage against Miami earlier in the week. Ben Johnson
decided not to play them at all yesterday. And here
was Ben Johnson's reasoning.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
There is no substitute for real life bullets. I get that.
But at the same time, when you can accumulate seventy
plus reps in a day, that's pretty good. That goes
a long way in terms of were you want to
go with the connection with the quarterback and his pass catchers.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, and a lot of other quarterbacks in those inner
squad games, whatever you want to call him. They had
sixty seventy stamps too. Bryce Young played, Joe Burrow played,
Mahomes played, Spencer Ratler played, everybody but Tom Brady played
this weekend.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
And he did not. Caleb didn't.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
And I'm a fan, but there is a certain weight
to this quarterback situation. I said it when he got
drafted by Chicago, and it has now been reported by
me and Seth Wickersham. This was not their first choice.
This is a big, loud, aggressive media. It is a
poorly owned franchise with a GM that got an extension
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based basically on one big tray that got him DJ
Moore and draft picks.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I look at it and I think to myself, was
Ben Johnson actually, could I suggest this sort of protecting
Caleb from the court of public opinion, that it's kind
of a standalone, big TV game.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Let Miami in two.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I get all the speculation in the heat, We're we're
gonna let him, you know, just let him sit and
watch this thing. It's not like he couldn't use the snaps.
When tech companies delay the release, okay, it's usually because,
like you're still in the beta stage, right, you're just
(05:25):
not quite comfortable putting it out to the public. And
everybody in house knows it, but you're just let you know.
We just we're just gonna not release our product yet,
says Apple. We just want to tighten it. I mean
the product is great, it's gonna be revolutionary, but it's
just not quite there. I think there's some eggshells here.
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I think Caleb's not quite where Ben Johnson wants him.
That is okay, and I don't blame him for all
of last year's sacks and the mess. But everybody played
this weekend. I mean Starter's played a lot. Let's talk, Shadeur.
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I love that Nike's already got Nike's already.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Got an ad out.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Sam Donald was almost MVP last year. Could you get
an AD for Sam Darnald?
Speaker 5 (06:18):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Okay, so only a matter of time, says the poster.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
So I want to throw this at you. There is
a video and it's not hostile of Schadeur Sanders after
making a point after his first preseason game of finding
a local very popular local guy, Tony Gross. He's a
talk show. He's a very popular guy. I don't listen
to a lot of Cleveland radio, but I know who
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he is, very, very popular. And again it's it's not
it's not ugly. And I do think Shadeur is a
good kid. I question his judgment and maturity, but they
kind of laugh in the end.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
It's fine. But this thing is like, Chadure, what are
you doing? Get out of there.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I don't want you watching Tony Grosy TikTok clips. And
here's the thing I've said about Shador and I've defended him.
His size, his arm, his mobility are all good enough
to be a franchise quarterback. And I think his accuracy
I think it's really good. I think it's really good,
moving stationary. I like his accuracy you're seeing there. These
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are pro athletes. He moves around fine, and I think
he's very that's a very accurate throw. I think his
traits they are and the size of the mobility, I
think they're all good enough to be a mid tier
NFL quarterback.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I do at Dak Prescott level.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I do. I think he throws a better ball than Dak.
But he's not great at him. He's not Cam, he's
not Big Ben, he's not Josh Allen, he's not Mahomes,
he's not Stafford. So he's going to have to be
better in the other thirty to forty percent of quarterback play,
which is maturity focus EQ, film study, pre snap excellence.
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By the way, Tom Brady's traits doesn't move at all,
doesn't have a huge arm. Tom's the best ever. At
the other stuff. Dak Prescott is a C plus in
the pocket throwing the ball down the field. Guy Dan
Moulini's college coach, said that, but Dak is a plus
plus plus leadership IQ EQ, at the podium, film study,
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pre Snapdak's great. So if you're not outstanding in the
trait stuff and I like Schaduer and he's not, I
do think his accuracy is an excellent trait.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I'll argue.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I'll even argue with Greg Cosell. I think he throws
a really beautiful catchable ball. He's an easy thrower. But
I would like to say Herbert's this. Herbert just comes
out in the ball's accurate. C J. Stroud ball comes
out on platform, off left, right, up back. C J.
Stroud's accurate, Herbert's accurate. I think shaduer and I also
think he moves much.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
He's not d on.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Everybody says, why guys mom's at log ability. Well, his
mom must be a good athlete because he moves well.
And shandour had a good game. But my take is,
and I'm tired of Cleveland fan saying, Colin, you're making
a lot out of this little stuff. Oh right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's what you said about Johnny Manziel at Baker Mayfield
and Deshaun Watson's court stuff in Houston. How about you
(09:22):
set this one out. Browns fan, you're all for three on.
It's no big deal. The speeding tickets. His own GM
called him dumb. This right here, Chad or you're a
good kid, get out of there. Don't look for sympathy
and support from local radio. Guy watch film and again,
it's not the end of the world. He is a
good kid. But the judgment thing for him is going
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to have to be exceptional. He is not big Ben,
Josh Allen, Cam Steve Young fart. That's not what he is.
And Brady knew it, and Peyton Manning knew it. Peyton
Manning never threw a tight spiral. Peyton Manning didn't move well.
Peyton Manning had a good arm. It never rocket. So
when you're not, the trades aren't a Dak had so
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much self awareness. I said this from the very beginning.
Dak was one of those strangely mature guys, like twenty three.
Dak was twenty three going on thirty three. Jalen hurts,
he's not real big and not a great pockup guy.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
He's like twenty seven going on forty seven.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
So this is where Shador has got to get that
stuff tightened up. Don't worry about what local media says, like,
just stay away from that stuff and Cleveland fan sit
it out. You've been telling me for years that stuff
doesn't matter. I've been right three out of three times.
You got rid of Baker. I told you get off
television in the commercials. Baker, just get the quarterback thing right.
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Forget the commercials. He was good in the commercials. Here's
Kevin Stefanski on whether Chador's going to get number one
quarterback reps this week.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
I'm really focused on all of our quarterbacks development and
every single one of these reps. We have a standard
for that position and really every position, but certainly the
quarterback position. There's a standard by which we play and
how we play and how we operate and how we
take care of the football and those type of things.
So there are things that Shadur can clean up. He
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will clean up.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And I don't want to hear your anti Shadur, No,
I'm not. I thought he was underdrafted. I thought Jackson
Dart was overdrafted. He's more of a second round pick.
I think Shador was underdrafted. And when you watch him play,
he's very comfortable. He's a real six two to two eighteen.
He's not a weight room junkie, but he's he's if
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you're six foot two, you're in the ninety six percentile
in this country. Anytime you see him standing around normal guys.
He's tall, he carries his weight well. He's not spindily
like Teddy Bridgewater or is Matt Ryan skinny or golf.
He's not top heavy like Will Levis. He looks like
a franchise quarterback six two eighteen, easily accurate, moves very well.
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He's not great at that stuff, but he is absolutely
to me a franchise quarterback with all that stuff. He
didn't have a weird delivery. He's not slinging it side arm.
He's a franchise quarterback. But he better be buttoned up
on the other stuff because that's what's made Dac rich,
not the arm, not the traits.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Traits are probably sixty percent of this stuff, sixty to
sixty five percent.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
But the other thirty five percent.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
If I told you to be successful in life, sixty
five percent is you know, DNA, but thirty five percent
is discipline. Well, you better be disciplined. That's a big
chunk of life, all right. J mc colin Wright, Colin wrong.
This this quarterback tiers is is Sando's on the show tomorrow.
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I love it for a million reasons. By and large,
I agree with most of it. I do think bow
Nicks under Tua Boenis is more athletic, with a better
arm and never been hurt. Feels a little wonky, but
that's probably the NFL executives telling you how much they think.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Of Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
They think Peyton has taken Bow to a level that
he's probably not by himself. It doesn't bother me. We'll
talk about more about this today and tomorrow. But the
other thing is, I know you're a Jets fan, not
a Giants fan. But the Jackson Dart thing is interesting.
Oh yeah, it's and he looked good. I can take
it wrong on that. I thought, look, you know again,
it's it's backups whatever. He's playing with him and he's
playing against him. But I want to address Jackson Dart
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and the Giants because there is something.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I'm tired of hearing about quarterback.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Well they're young. Well they you know, they just got
into the league. I don't want to hear that with
Jackson Dart. We'll talk about that next.
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Speaker 1 (14:29):
Matt Hasselbecca's around the corner, quarterbacks, all of them, Joe
Burrows playing, Mahomes is playing.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Everybody but Aaron and Matt Stafford. They're not playing. And
we'll get to the Matt Stafford back injury on that.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
It was fun. I said, and watched the Bears and Dolphins.
I watched the Jets and the Packers. Boy, Jets looked
like it's one of the great teams ever assembled in Lambeau.
It's always funny how good the Jets look in August, interesting, amazing,
and they got Jones coming off the pup list.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
That's the kid at.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
FSU who was awesome two years ago. Missed all of that.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I'm just telling you that defense has a chance to
be nasty.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
The front seven.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Saft Gardner got paid.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
He's happy. The defense will be a problem.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
No, I am plath Aaron Glenn's defensive coach. I don't
doubt that. Here you go, all right, we do it
every Monday. It's more fun, obviously when we have football.
Colin right, Colin wrong, And here we go.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Jim Harball a couple of years ago when he drafted
Joe Alt. Remember last year's draft and everybody said, oh
I should have taken a receiver. Well, Tate, we defended him.
We said, now go Joe Alt. And Joe Alt is
saving the season. Rashaun Slater's out for the year at
left tackle. They can move Joe Alt, who I've been
told has had a great camp. They can now move
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him to the left tackle. Mackai Beckton maybe goes to
right tackle. But this is why he's the anti Mike McDaniel.
It's all about building center guard tackles out, not wide
receivers in And that Joe alt pick. Everybody wanted a receiver.
They got Ladink Honky in the second round. They were fine.
(16:01):
That Joe Altpick could have saved the season.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Well, arch Mannings family is saying he's staying at Texas
two more years.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
So I will take for now a wrong.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I think if he slices up Ohio State, there is
going to be incredible momentum, and I think he's really good.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I didn't watch a ton of them.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I thought he was better than quin Ewers, more athletic
throws a better ball. For now, I'll take a wrong.
I think it's the right thing to say. In the
mannings usually say the right thing, So I'll take this.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
L Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Joe shed Dolphin's reporter reporting that culture, accountability, and physicality
are what Mike McDaniels is preaching in this camp.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
What a shock.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
That's exactly what we've been saying, and it got We've
gotten pushback from Dolphin fans. My take is, lott of sizzle,
three years into this coaching reign, where's the stake, where's
the meat and the sandwich? They're not physical, Tyreek Hill
sort of says and does what he wants. What makes
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McVeigh or Shanahan or Andy Reid's special is their teams
are physical and they can be finesse. Finally, I at
least appreciate the coach acknowledging what the issue is.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Fifty NFL executives and coaches came out in Mike Sando's
annual survey and They've got bow Knicks tied for the
twentieth best quarterback in the league, below Geno Smith.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Gino Smith's been in.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
This league eleven years, He's made the playoff once. Bo
Nicks has been in the year in the NFL, one
year in a division. Last year with Herbert Harbaugh, Andy
Reid and Mahomes in the AF scene, he made the playoffs.
I Sean Payton and I love bow Nicks were apparently
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on an island because they even have him below Tua,
who's smaller, not his athletic, more injury prone, and I'd
say bo Nick slightly has a better arm.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I don't get it where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Well, not to pick on anybody, but the last two
years people have been telling me quinn yours is something,
and I keep saying, I don't see the great traits.
Five of eighteen, two fumble, sack twice. I didn't get it.
At Texas, I don't get it. I don't see what
everybody sees.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I know he dropped to the seventh round, but before
the draft people were talking second, third, fourth, I don't
see it.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
You gotta have a trait.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I go wow with not a great anticipatory thrower. You know,
he kind of slings it did not look like he
was I mean, he looked like it's a long way
to go. And that's what I've been saying for two years.
Where Colin was wrong. I thought Jackson dark was better
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than an anticipating I thought he threw with anticipation. I
always thought he was pretty athletic. I thought he looked
really poised. I thought he looked really comfortable, you know,
like a Bonnicks. Maybe a little more athletic than I
gave him credit for. But you know, when he got drafted,
I said, I probably wouldn't give up picks that.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Draft him in the first round, but you have to
be pretty happy.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Twelve to nineteen, one hundred and fifty four yards again,
looked comfortable playing with the backup offensive lineman, good arm strength.
I thought he was impressive. I thought he was really impressive.
Where Colin was right, I don't want to hear about
Anthony Richardson's age. Okay, he's hurt again. Nobody cares about
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age and experience. You're in year three. You got to
be able to play. And so I had said this
going into the season. He has Shane Stichen, one of
the really bright offensive mind, and he regressed last year,
so he was a boomer, a bus pick. I just
think by this time you can't be taking those hits,
(20:10):
and it feels like a.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Miss where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Even the NBA is acknowledging with their Christmas and Opening
Day schedules, the league is lopsided. The Christmas games are
the San Antonio Spurs against the thunder Rockets, Lakers, MAVs, Warriors,
t Wolves Denver. They have one Eastern Conference game and
it's the Knicks. The West is so much better than
(20:37):
the East. Honest to god, it feels like the sect
in the Pac twelve.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
For about fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Even their opening night games are one hundred percent Western
Conference teams. And that's with big brands out east Philly,
New York, Heat, Celtics.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
So we've said this before.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
You put Lebron in the Lakers out east, they can compete.
Luca Lebron, Austin Reeves could compete to get to the
Eastern Conference finals. They're a five seed, probably maybe a
six to a seven in the West.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
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Speaker 1 (21:26):
And with that, oh, I'm interesting interested, excuse me and
Matt hassel back eighteen years in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
I'm very interesting, and you are interesting, Colin.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
You are.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
It's supposed to be a little Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
First, I'm going to start with them jealous because you
and I love this. Took the train and went to
a Nate Bargazi, great comedian in Boston last night. You
just got back. I think he's absolutely outrageously funny. So
I'm just gonna say right now, I'm not only jealous
of your pro career but your comedic choices.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
So congratulations. You're a little road and I appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
But listen, you were at the Live tour, so it's
not like you had a boring weekend.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
I mean, come on, let's let's lie here, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
So I said, it's okay if you don't want to
pay play Caleb Williams. But I do think it was
a little strategic. Burrow played, Mahomes played, Spencer Ratler played everybody,
but Tom Brady played like the whole world played this weekend,
And it was almost like he was saying, you know
he's not quite there. I don't need another week of
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heat from the Chicago media. He took a lot of
snaps in practice. It felt a little strategic, but it not.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Yeah, I sort of agree.
Speaker 9 (22:41):
I mean, everything that Caleb Williams does because he was
the first pick overall, because they basically got rid of
everyone around him last year, built the team around him
this year, everything he does is under the microscope. So yeah,
I'm sure there is some of that protecting him. There's
also something with joint practices now where coaches don't feel
like they need to play there ones in the preseason
(23:02):
game because they get those reps in a controlled environment
where guys don't take hits, where the quarterback where's a
different color jersey, and you know you're keeping your guy healthy.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
And I think that might be part of this.
Speaker 9 (23:14):
Also, if there wasn't a joint practice, I think he
would have played in the game.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Okay, So I said this sort of about Jackson Dart.
You and your generation got thrown to the Wolves. You
didn't have ten thousand snaps by the time you were fourteen.
Jackson Dart is a three year starter in the SEC
with Lane Kiffen. It's had private coaching seven on seven.
I don't want to hear about you know what, we're
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going to work him in. It's like, you know what, Matt,
they got a great left tackle, a number one receiver.
I think Brian Dabole is a pretty darn good offensive coach.
I maybe you give Russell the first start. This is
not Anthony Richardson forty one college starts in the SEC
with Lane Kiffin. Why would you not just figure out
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if the kid can play?
Speaker 9 (24:05):
Yeah, I hear what you're saying, and I'm actually just
peeking at some of.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
The ages of some of the rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (24:11):
I mean, just because the guy's a rookie doesn't mean
he's the youngest guy.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Bo Nicks is twenty five years old as an example.
But no, I did. I grew up in the era
of you know, you sit on the.
Speaker 9 (24:22):
Bench for a while. I mean Tom Brady did that,
Aaron Rodgers did that. I know that was my experience
as well. I think the New York Giants have been
burned and so they are really sticking to the plan.
They've invested heavily in veteran quarterbacks, in leadership, in processed,
driven guys who've been there, done it, made mistakes, had
success in Jamis Winston and Russell Wilson. So I think
(24:45):
they're going to be slow and measured and patient with
Jackson Dart, who they do like a lot. But I do,
but I don't think he's ready. And I do think
the best plan is to start a guy like Russell
Wilson and let Jackson watch. But here's the danger. Don't
just have him sit there and watch, train him and
prepare him to play the way that Patrick Mahomes was
(25:08):
trained in preparing to play when he was sitting back
watching Alex Smith start during his rookie year at the
Kansas City Chiefs. There's activeness to the passivity of being
the backup if you do it right.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
So I watched every snap Shador Sanders took, and I
know there's a lot I don't know, film study, galvanizing teammates,
coach ability, pre snap stuff. I've always understood that's thirty
thirty five forty percent of quarterback. I don't see that,
but I do see. How comfortable are you frenetic? Are
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you comfortable? Are you confident? Do you move well? All
the stuff that I'm allowed to see, I think Chadur's
college trades transfer to the NFL. I think he was accurate.
I think he's more. I'm tired of hearing he's a
pocket guy. He moves I have highlights.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
He moves fine. I don't know how he is off.
I don't know film, but I was impressed with him.
Why should I not be?
Speaker 9 (26:13):
Yeah, I think there's a lot of encouraging things there.
I mean on the field, he's a guy that looks
like he belongs. I don't think he's going to be
their starting quarterback this year. I think Joe Flackle will
be their starting quarterback. And it's just a weird situation
because they've got four guys and someone's got to go.
You would think, well, Kenny Picketts missed so much time
in training camp, he really hasn't been around. And then
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the young quarterback Gabriel, he's you know, he's been injured also,
So this is an opportunity for Shudor. My big question
is will the Cleveland Browns have the courage to keep
four quarterbacks? And courage is the word I'm using because
it's like no one else does that.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 9 (26:53):
But you know, Ray Rhodes, one of my old head
coaches used to say, Hey, we're going to kill a
mosquito with a sledgehammer at this position, and it's like,
you know, that's.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Not the best way to kill a mosquito, but I
get the point. We're going to overdo it.
Speaker 9 (27:06):
And I think this is a quarterback that has this
is a team that has gone without a quarterback for
so long that they might just say, hey, listen, it's
that important of a position. We like what we have here,
the traits that he's showing. Let's hold on to him
and develop him on the field. He doesn't give me
pause at all. He doesn't worry me at all off
the field, and what he's like in the locker room.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
That's the part that I just don't know.
Speaker 9 (27:28):
There are some red flags, but it's hard for me
to sit here and judge that from where I'm sitting.
But I just know that, you know, being the backup
quarterback to someone like Joe Flacco, you're probably not going
to have a guy walking with you on your entrance
getting off the bus. This year, it's going to be
a different feeling from being the star quarterback in college
to potentially, you know, the second third or maybe even
(27:51):
fourth string quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
So Burroll played.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I don't want Aaron Rodgers playing behind backup offensive lineman
at his age. I don't want Kirk Cousins playing. We'll
get a stafford in about three minutes. But I just
want to ask Burroll played Mahomes play. Did you want
to when you were not at your last year? But
I'm talking about maybe four years left to play, So
you don't want to get hit, and you know the
(28:16):
game and you know the reads, But did you want
to be out there in pre season?
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Yeah? Absolutely I wanted to play.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
And like when Mike Hongrin was the head coach, like
we basically had this kind of agreement and he basically.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Was like, all right, you can play until.
Speaker 9 (28:30):
You take a hit, like until you take an unnecessary hit,
until you take a hit.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
You know. The tough thing for me.
Speaker 9 (28:35):
As a starting quarterback, I would feel bad for my
offensive lineman because they had to stay in the game
as long as I was in the game. And so like,
you know, I'm putting them at risk. Maybe I'm not
at risk, but I'm putting them at risk, you know.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
And so like.
Speaker 9 (28:47):
Usually I think, like after about a quarter you're feeling like, okay,
it's time to go now. The one thing that I
did like and I thought was really good in terms
of process is I liked, you know, coming in at halftime,
getting used to that half time break, and then coming
back out and having a drive or right before the
end of the first half, getting a chance to work
on two minutes with all your new hand signals, with
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any players that are new players on your team. Those
things are really valuable that you don't get to simulate
in practice, but sure you want to compete. You want
to be out there, and usually you need the coaches
to say no, no, no, time for you to sit down.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
You don't get to play anymore today.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
So Matt Stafford didn't. He's not even dressing for practice.
And as I've aged, I feel pretty good. My back
isn't great. I wake up, need to stretch. Matt Stafford's
got a back injury. He's taken a lot of hits,
most of them in Detroit. Is that worry you a little?
Speaker 9 (29:48):
Well, you're back. It doesn't surprise me. First off, Okay,
sitting is the new smoking. You sit all day long,
so your back probably feels like trash. No, I am
concerned about Matt through Stafford's back. I had a bad
back injury in two thousand and eight. Usually you can
tell how bad a quarterback's back injury is by if
the team sends him to California to see doctor Bob Watkins.
(30:12):
If they do that, you know it's serious. Now it's
a little harder here because he's already in LA. But no,
I'm concerned. I'm definitely concerned if you take the factors
of his age and all those types of things. Listen,
in eight, I hurt my back in a preseason game
against Tarad Allen and the Minnesota Vikings. It was just
like this weird thing. It wasn't that bad, but it
never got better. It like never got better that entire year.
(30:33):
And you know, the closest thing I could equate it
to is like you burn your mouth, like on a hot.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Piece of pizza or something, and.
Speaker 9 (30:41):
It just it doesn't get better quick And that's kind
of what the back injury typically is. There's all different
types of back injuries, but they just don't seem to
get better quick And then even if they do get better,
you've missed all this time of like heavy weight training
or physicality that goes into your off season and you're
just not the version of yourself that you normally are.
So I'd be very concerned if I was a Rams
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fan right now, just because Stafford is valuable and it's
just not a great place to be.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
I've been there.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
JJ McCarthy made one really good throw, it was a heater,
and then in another throw he badly overthrew an open
receiver and it was a heater. And I've heard these
comments they're trying to get him to do some off
speed stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Everything.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I remember when Kaepernick was in that was the knock
like everything's a fastball. And I think to myself, I
mean he's been playing since he was probably seven. Like
they're teaching them how to play quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I look at that and I think you don't hear
very often. We're a first round quarterback. You're trying to get,
you know, trying to the tempo of the speed of
the ball. I'm like, that's I mean, Kevin O'Connell is
probably a great teacher, but what do I what do
I watched him and I thought it's fine, but like
there is kind of one speed. What do I make
(31:55):
of those comments.
Speaker 9 (31:56):
Well, he's got good coaches and Kevin O'Connell and Josh McCown.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
We trust those guys.
Speaker 9 (32:01):
But to me, I would say, you got to use
the other clubs in your bag. It can't be driver
three with two iron, four four iron. Sometimes there's a
there's a there's a nine iron in there, there's this,
there's a sand wedge. I mean, uh, there's there's phrases
in the quarterback room like KYP know your personnel. If
you're throwing to certain guys, has got to be a
different club. Sometimes you're throwing over defenders instead of through lanes,
(32:24):
and so those are all things that I think come
with experience. He played a lot at Michigan, didn't throw
the ball ton at Michigan. But I think what JJ
McCarthy has, he's got the intangibles that you cannot coach.
I think you can coach the what club in the
bag are you use it?
Speaker 5 (32:38):
I think you can coach that.
Speaker 9 (32:40):
I'm someone who would buy on the Minnesota Vikings right now.
I think this is a good team. I think this
quarterback will have a good year. But certainly the analogy
that you used with a young Colin Kaepernick. I think
that's a great example of a guy that you know
has a great arm, a very strong arm, can throw
a tight spiral, throw it far.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
But the clubs in the bag certainly a thing.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Matt Hasselbeck road weary, I mean just literally racing to
the in front of his screen to get on the
on the show, buddy, and I always appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
The effort awesome. See you Colin all right?
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Uh, Matt Hasselbeck, Yeah, it's I I think his comment
on Shador his mind. Sixty percent of this quarterback position
we can all see. We don't see the forty percent,
and that is Should's got to be really good at that.
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Dak Is, Jalen hurts Is Brock perty is because they're
not Their traits aren't exceptional. Shoulde's traits aren't exceptional. But
if I have to hear again, he's just a pocket guy.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
No, he's not.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
He can move, He moves better than a lot of
quarterbacks in this league. And he's also it matters he's
in his athletic prime. For the next seven years. He's
in his athletic prime.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
So uh, I thought it was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I thought it looked like it did Colorado, accurate, mobile, enough, arms,
good enough.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
It matters.
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