August 15, 2025 • 51 mins
Doug Gottlieb, in for Colin, reacts to the details released on NCAA's punishment for Michigan related to their sign-stealing scandal. Doug dive in to interesting comments made by Northern Illinois HC Thomas Hammock on the state of college sports and gives insight on what he's witnessed as a coach in the disparity between the haves and have-nots. Former NFL WR TJ Houshmandzadeh joins Doug to explain why he thinks Shedeur Sanders' attitude is good for his future in the league.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowherd
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
What Up?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Welcome in. This is of the Herd. Wherever you may
be and however you may be, making this part of
your day. Thanks so much. I'm jud gottlie in for you, boy,
Colin Cowherd, and for the next couple of hours, I
want to talk sports with you. This is weird, right,
So Colin moved to the Midwest following me. Right, let's
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just be honest. I followed him to Fox to where
I grew up in southern California. Then he follows me
to the Midwest. But now I'm in California and I
ease in parts unknown.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Right.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Hey, this is just the thing. I have to state
this because it's true. Obviously, Colin I for years have
gone back and forth about the hat backwards thing that
he has right. But here's my thing. I'm I'm gonna
state this because I know it to be true. A
lot of you saw our Boycoin Cowherd at Live Golf
last weekend. Right, Okay, can we get together and form
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some sort of petition or have some sort of on
air teaching Colin how to wear a hat, Because if
you're going to criticize others for wearing their hat backwards
and how it looks, that's fine, then I'm going to
criticize you for not understanding the basics of how to
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wear a ball cap, which is you don't put it
on top of your hair so that your hair is
still showing. That's not ball cap wearing one on one.
Everybody knows it. And when you wear it that way,
much like he believes you have your hat backwards, you
wear it that way, it gives off the perception of
you're trying to be a younger bro. It's not actually try.
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I disagree, but again he's talking about perception. I'm telling you,
the perception is that guy's never played a sport in
his life, definitely never played baseball. If he doesn't know
how to wear a ball cap, is that fair? Okay?
So I just I wanted. I was waiting for this day,
maybe the last day I fill in for Colin. Very possible. Okay,
I love my boy, but I saw him last week
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and I was like, can middlekough middle cooff doesn't have
this because he has no hair?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Right?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
He fired it before quit on him. I got it.
Colin has great hair. That's real hair. He's got there.
There's no implans, no nothing. That's a real, real mop
And he's been living on this hat backwards thing. He
got the Cowboys coach turning his hat around. That really
happened this year. Great mission accomplished, Colin Cowhert. But dude,
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what are you doing? All right, let's get to the
story of the day Michigan was levied fines and suspensions.
And look, I don't know if this comes to be.
And the reason I say that is I'm actually a
coach for Wisconsin Green Bay, which Division one program. We
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are under you know, NCAA rules and regulations, just like
anybody else. And what I have come to learn first
observing as a basketball analyst and a radio show host
and a TV yaker, and now I know is the
general thought in college athletics of the NCAA and the
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NCAA is not some d'arconian organization made it out to be.
It's just the conglomerate of schools. And you know, it's
like being mad at Congress when there's actually every state
has the right to vote their rights. They vote their
opinions for their constituents. And you just say, I don't
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like Congress. Well yeah, well there's fifty states, so you
don't like the individual representatives. These are the individual schools.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But there is.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
The Board of Infractions.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
The general thought for most people is, no matter what
rules the NCAA comes up with, if you sue, they'll lose.
Now here's where the NCAA has gotten smart over the
past couple of years. The new rules and regulations in
terms of roster limitations and this opt in that our
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program is a part of. In most college athletic programs
outside the IVY League are a part of. All of
these rules supposedly are lawsuit proof, right, there's a reason
that they're put in place. They feel like their lawsuit
proof and they'll stabilize things for the next couple of
years dream scenario, maybe even ten years of some form
of stabilization. So I say that because when I read
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to you what Michigan's been punished, just understand that very
likely that Michigan appeals, ensues and tries to get out
of it. Right, Okay, So I don't need to go
through what they were doing with the sign stealing. I
can only tell you that in my opinion without seeing
how much Jim harbaughd knew. It's one of those Hey,
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I don't care you're doing advanced scouting, Give me the calls,
get them for me. Give me the calls. And when
you're running a program as big as Michigan, in my program,
you know my email right now, I have to It's
I have to do every I'm a CEO. I have
to worry about every little different department and oh yeah,
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by the way, much like Doge, what can we cut,
what can we keep? How little can we spend to
get the most out of it because we have to
compensate the student athlete. Now, but I'm gonna commend the NCAA. Look,
do I think this was a dog and pony show?
I do? Do I think was that this was? Do
I think there's another Connor Stallions out there? I'm not sure.
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I don't know. I do know that every college program,
basketball or football, tries to figure out what the signs
are for the other for the other team, and that's
what you do.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
What you doing.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
You're not allowed unless you're playing in a tournament in basketball,
to scout in person. So you watch on video and
if they pull on their ear, if they tug on
their jersey, if they tap their head, you try and
figure out what exactly the set is, what exactly they're doing,
so you know what's coming. And if you can't pick
it up on video, or if if you can, you
call somebody who's played them, because every coach has an
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assistant or a manager that's sitting on their bench. And
when you say that's it's earpool, write that down, earpool,
what is it? Hey? Then you go in at halftime
and you make sure that you have it listed. So
if they pull out their ear in the second half,
this is what they're doing. And usually you know beforehand
because you've talked to coaches that have coached against them,
because they keep a running tab of what they're calling
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and how it coincides with what they're doing on the floor.
Makes sense. Okay, So my point is I'm not excusing
the behavior of Michigan. I'm just telling you that everybody,
on some form or fashion does it feels like they
overdid it and they got caught and then they won.
But once they started winning, they probably they didn't have
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this brogram in place and they were in people's heads.
And oh yeah, by the way, if you didn't know
signs dealing took place, why do you have three different
people putting the signs out? Because two are fake signs? Right,
you know they're looking, so let's not act like you're
surprised that there's somebody in the stands or some video
camera trying to get it. That was Bill belichick entire argument. Right,
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we film the game. They're running in signs at the game.
Why can't we just film the sideline and then what
it coincides with on the field. The big question for
Belichick was were they filming practice? That, of course, is
a no no. And most coaches are incredibly paranoid. If
they say a video camera running when they're in an
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empty gym or an empty stadium, Okay, they'll freak out.
They'll have somebody go put a towel over it or
whatever they do. I mean, heck, if you played youth football,
and I did you know this? Right before the game,
You'll be running through plays. What do you do with
the players who aren't involved? You line them up so
that the other coach can't look down and see what
you're doing. Right, And every high school football coach, college
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football coach has been paranoid for years at practice, at
covering up what you're doing. You know, high school coaches
especially making sure there's empty stadiums when they're running through
their game plan for the next day. So let's not
act like we're surprised that this happens or that Michigan's
the only one doing it. They got caught doing it
at a higher level and then ultimately succeeding while doing it.
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Here's the punishment. Four years of probation, financial penalties, A
fifty thousand dollars fine plus ten percent of the budget
of the football program, an equivalent to the anticipated loss
of all postseason competition revenue sharing associated with the twenty
twenty five twenty twenty six football seasons. A fine equivalent
to the cost of ten percent of scholarships awarded to
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Michigan's football programs in the twenty five to twenty six
academic year. A twenty five percent reduction official football visits
in twenty five to twenty six, a fourteen week probation
recruiting communications in the football program during the probation period.
And then Connor Stallion's eight year show cause. Harbaugh, you
knew he had a ten year show cause. Denard Robinson
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wasn't he shoelaces, wasn't his nickname when he played our
shoe strings when he played there as quarterback? Three year
show cause, restricted from all athletically really activities. That's actually
a big one. That means he can't really coach in
college football, whereas the show cause means you have to
show cause for hiring somebody. It doesn't mean you can't coach.
You can't get the job. You have to just go
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through an infractions committee and say you're sorry and say
you've improved. It's much like the probation department, you know,
when you're trying to remember the start of Shawshank redemption,
where you have to say that you're a changed man
type deal. And then Sharon Moore got a two year
show cause, but he's still the head coach, so that
doesn't matter. And he suspended a total of three games
Michigan imposed a two game suspension for this year. The
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panel says he's got to be suspended one additional game.
Do you want to know why? It's an awesome punishment
because it hits them in the wallet. They're not taking
down a banner that we know they earned and that
you can't.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Do.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
You guys, remember Men in Black? Right, Remember the little
silver thing that Will Smith or Tommy Lee Jones would
hold up and press it and everybody's memory would be
a race. Your short term memories is zapped. Don't you
wish that occurred in life? Wouldn'd be so cool? You're
like in an argument with your girlfriend and your wife
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and you're just like two, Like what we're even arguing about?
I don't know, Mabe, how you doing right? Reset? Well,
the that's called a neuralizer. Don't ask me how I know,
O gay Men in Black called it a neuralizer. There
is no neuralizer where we can hit the button. And
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Louisville's twenty thirteen NCAA Championship is a race for our
memory banks.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Right.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
We all saw it. We saw Trey Burke cleanly block
Peyton Siva. It didn't get called as a clean block
It changed the momentum of that game, and Rick Patino's
Louisville Cardinal, Hey, Luke Hancock and the boys end up
winning a national championship. That's a real thing. Banner, No banner.
Nobody's giving back their rings, nobody's saying I'm not an
NCAA champion. That's just dumb. How do you really punish
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a university? And the answer is you take the money,
right and who does this ultimately hurt? That's a lot
of money. Ten percent of the budget of the football
program at the University of Michigan. Okay, we calculating coaches
salaries in the budget, yep, we calculate a recruiting budget, yep.
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Are we calculating rev share in that budget. I don't
know that it's going to be a lot of money. Now,
I'm guessing miniSIM Michigan will appeal and they'll probably sue
because it's a lot of money. And as much as
lawyer fees are a lot of money, I just ten
percent of scholarships a word a Michigan football program. Okay,
So what is an eighty thousand dollars scholarship a year?
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Nine ten percent is eight grand eight grand times what
do you have one hundred and five Now in college football,
you do the math, that's a lot of money. That's
just the eight hundred or so grand plus you got
to take what you were going to get. And you're like, well,
what if they didn't make the postseason? Now what they're
talking about is everyone in your league gets a portion
of the postseason revenue. You get I believe, two shares
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if you play, and then if you win, you get
additional shares of it. So that's a lot of money.
Now they didn't and I apparently can't take the TV revenue,
They can't take the in stadium revenue. Right where you're
making probably I don't know, Michigan one hundred thousand people.
I can only estimate between one hundred and one hundred
and fifty million dollars per year from in stadium revenue.
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So they'll be fine, don't get me wrong. But taking
away the money is the only way to truly, truly
punish college sports programs because it is all about the money. Now,
you want to know it hurts the most. I would
not want to be the coach of Michigan softball, Michigan baseball,
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swim and diving right I feel terrible for Michigan hockey
women's basketball because Dusty May. They raised a bunch of money.
They got a squad. I know they wanted to play us.
Who don't want to play us? And we're like, I
don't really want to get forty piece by Michigan. No thanks,
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not into that. They got a squad there. I don't
know what their budget is. Probably ten million dollars right,
maybe maybe more fifteen I don't know. They have a
top ten program. They're awesome, right, and they already have
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the contracts for their roster of football players, right, those
contracts are done. They have to pay those players, and
I'm guessing it's somewhere in the twenty twenty five million
dollar range overall with salaries, right, because Ohio State was
they won the national championship. Everybody said they were kind
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of top of the top of the heap in the
twenties twenty million, So you got to calculate one, every
Michigan's gonna try and get to that level, and then
two there's some sort of inflation. Can we say twenty
five million?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Right?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Then you got a factor in the coaching staff you're
talking about. I don't know somewhere in the fifty million
dollar variety. They have to be. You have to be
competitive in football, you have to be competitive in basketball
because that's where you make your money. So what I
love is that they hit him where it hurts. Again,
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I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that. I
don't know all the facts in the case, and I
don't have the time to kind of delineate how big
a deal this actually is. I do think that this
is kind of classic NCAA and it's like anything else,
like you know, supposedly this is Ohio State fans finding
this out, turning them in. We saw what likely Texas
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fans did to John Mattier this week. It's like, you A,
allowing fans to matter is a mistake in litigating something
like this, in my opinion, allowing them to be whistleblowers
and oh my gosh, gotcha, because what that does is
now Michigan fans are going to have their cell phones
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on and try and find Ohio State guys and you know,
there's all this, you know, all this back and forth,
but whatever, Okay, they did a lengthy investigation, this is
what they found out, and for years it was scholarship
productions right and taking down banners. Well, you can't take
away scholarships now, because if you take away a player's scholarship,
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you say hey, instead of I think it's one hundred
and five, I'm sorry, we don't have a football program.
I don't care about those numbers that used to be
eighty five. And what they've done is they've done instead
of scholarship limitations, it's roster limitations, it's roster limitations. And
again we were told that the reason they did roster limitations,
says scholarship limitations is their lawsuit proof that this is
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what This is how sports can survive lawsuits. Where you're
not cutting scholarships, you're simply cutting roster spots. That's all
you can have. You can do. Every spot can be
a scholarship, or half of them can be scholarships, or
none of them can be spot. You can do whatever
you want within your own domain. If you opted in,
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and Michigan of course opted in, I'm Doug Gotliebin for Colin.
This is the hurt Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. What
you need to know is what you need to know
is Michigan got hit. What it hurts, right, got hit
where it hurts in the wallet, in the wallet and
if you ask any Michigan coach or administrator, okay, four years,
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they felt like, despite the fact we're Michigan, uh that
the hardest part for them was raising the money and
getting up to the level of Ohio State because Ohio
State has never cared about anything other than how can
we put the best team on the field. Michigan liked
to have the academic repute, Well how state just want
to win championships. Ohio States run fast and loose with
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rules for a lifetime, especially in the football side. Okay,
I'm guessing probably Michigan did too, only they like Notre Dame,
like to feel like they're academically above it. They finally
got to the level of full investment from the university
on the football program, and now they're losing what ten
percent of their budget and all of their posts what
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would have been postseason revenue. And my guess is what
that hurts most is all the Olympic sports, the ones
that you don't hear about. Olympic sports are picked the
one you don't soccer, hockey, track and field, lacrosse, any
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of those ones. Their budgets chopped and what you do
is then you move it over cleverly to Michigan football.
Well you can't. We cut the budget. There's always ways,
always ways. What do I know, I just work for
an insance.
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Speaker 4 (19:40):
Welcome in This is the Herd, wherever you may be
and however you may make it this part of your day.
Thanks so much. I'm Doug gottliebe in for Colin cowherd
and for the next couple of hours, I want to
talk sports with you. God. So for those of you
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are like, hey, Gottlieb, what are you doing now that
I'm a college basketball Oh? That's right in college basketball,
that's right. Yeah, So what's that like? That's what everybody asks.
That everybody asks, And I'll share with you a lot
if you'd like. And it's this is it's a fascinating,
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fascinating I don't want to say experiment, but just time
of change in all business. Right, I'll give you an example. Okay,
it's not just college sports. I think pro sports, especially basketball,
is about to change greatly. I'll explain in a second.
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I think football. I think NFL football is going to change.
I mean the perfect example is, yes, Archie Manning, just
like arch man, just like Peyton Manning, just like, why
am I forgetting Peyton Manning? What was the two time
Super Bowl champion? Why am I the other Manning? Eli Manning? Sorry, Okay,
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gonna stay four years. Not because of nil, but because
they believe, much like most people, that the more reps
you have, the more ready you are, The more ready
you are, the more confidence you have, the more confidence
you have. The better you play initially, the better you
play initially, the easier it is for you to maintain.
You get like a year and a half to be
a starting quarterback in the NFL, and if you can't
do it, it's a top pick. Then you're out right
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and you become a career backup, or you bounce around
chasing checks. You're doing the like the Jets quarterback. Right,
I mean this is his third team in three years. Yeah,
Justin Field's third team in three years. Why is that?
Because he basically got a year and a half. Bears Dion'
think he's good enough, They moved on, goes to steal
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Steelers knew he wasn't good enough. Same thing, rinse repeat,
rinse repeat. So I think that the arch Manning thing
doesn't have a ton to do with nil or rev
share or the money that he's making. Kid was making
money as comes from money. Money isn't the driving force.
But I do think that the NFL is going to change.
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The draft is so much different now because everybody is older,
and they're older because they stay in school longer. They
stay in school longer because there's not the desperation for
the NFL check the way there used to be, which
in many ways is a good thing. There are bad
things about Nilka, there are bad things about compensating athletes,
but the fact that they are staying in school longer
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is not one of them. It is a benefit. Now,
let's not act like that was the intent of it. Okay,
No one ever said, hey, you know, once we start
paying players, they're going to stay in school longer. Nobody
said that it's an ancillary benefit. It's an unintended consequence,
but it is something that happens. So there's a smaller
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pool of prospects for the NFL Draft, but you have
more tape on them. On the other hand, they some
of them have played at three or four schools, five
schools even so it's harder to get the background on
what type of kit he is if he's only been
in a place for six months before he declares for
the NFL Draft. Right, it's very different. And this I
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believe North Carolina's got seventy new players, Bill belchiks seventy
new players, and like they're introducing themselves to each other,
like in warm up lines, and my name is Jim,
where are you from? Oklahoma State? Milwa Manter sixty five
new players, and you have like fifteen padded practices before
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you play a real football game. Fifteen. Remember most of
these teams don't have spring games. A lot of these
players are picked up in the spring, some in the summer,
some right before the fall. So you would think your
offenses and your defenses might be a little bit more rudimentary.
College offenses have never been as ornate as pro offenses.
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Same thing with defenses, and that may actually regress, whereas
in previous years you would think college offenses were kind
of creating things that the NFL copied. So sports is changing.
In baseball, the Milwaukee Brewers are the talk of Major
League Baseball?
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Right?
Speaker 4 (24:32):
What are they won in a row? Twenty two in
a row or something? Twenty one in a row, twelve
in a row? I like the twenty two is a
better number. It was better. It was better. And we
have the greatest SoundBite ever, the most Wisconsin thing ever.
We'll share with you later on the show. They won
twelve in a row. But the Brewers were good last year.
Remember this a Brewers team that lost their manager to
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their rival the Cubs. Why because Craig Council was like
Brewers are awesome, but the like colihood of winning is
increased when you go to the Cubs because they have
more money. Right the Brewers are built. I've talked to
their general manager. I've talked to their manager, and they
told me that every position player they draft was a
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shortstop at some point in their lives. Baseball has changed
with the pitchclock, but more than anything with the bases,
with the lack of ships, athleticism is a much bigger
part of the game. So they're not just the best
team in baseball. They tried to build the best most
athletic team in baseball. It's one of the things that's
happened to the Yankees going back to that past couple
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of years is they were built for a four gone
era of just hit home runs or walk or strikeout,
and now you can manufacture runs. So sports changes in
a myriad of ways, and in college sports it's changed
because we're now we're paying the players. Right now, we're
paying the players. And what you find is, look, I
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have one full year now in the bank. I got
the job at the middle of the end of May
last year. Hey, as you know, the portal opens in March,
so I didn't have a full season that way, and
not everything that I believe or maybe even I know
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is accurate at the highest level because we are not
at the highest level, but I do know in many
ways how it operates. So Thomas Hammock is the head
coach of Northern Illinois. Okay, what do you remember about
Northern Illinois last season? They beat Notre Dame. Right, Notre
Dame beat text A and M on the road, and
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they come back home, they get beat by by by
Northern Illinois and then Northern Illinois has average season after that.
So Northern Illinois, I'm sure, I'm might be sure. I'm
guessing it's a tough putt financially for them. Now they're
going to join our league in basketball only basketball and
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I think Olympic Sports starting next year. And the Illinois schools,
the non Champagne Urbana, Right, that's the main universe. When
you say Illinois, that's the main campus. But they have
Eastern Illinois, they have Western Illinois, they have Southern Illinois,
the Sulukis, they have Northern Illinois, the Huskies. They got
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different schools, have different financial issues. Western Illinois a ton
of financial issues, like school could close down financial issues
in the Wisconsin system. Our school and Madison University Wisconsin
are the only two that are growing. We've gone from
like seven eight, nine thousand. We're twelve thousand students this
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year and we're expanding. But all the other university Wisconsin's stout,
Steven's Point, River Falls, even Milwaukee, they're shrinking. So there's
a fight over budget. But the bigger thing is, Okay,
how how do you build a college football college basketball
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program when you're trying to have a high retention rate?
Bring kids back, right, bring kids back every year. Because
we all know, like that's what Purdue has done. That's
one of the reasons that they win. Purdue is like
the model for college basketball. Yes, they sprinkle in a
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transfer here at transfer there. This year they take in
an Israeli point guard to go with maybe the best
point guard in the country. They should be really, really good.
But the big thing for Purdue is like they want
their guys to stay. So I want you to listen
to something that Thomas Hammick said at a press conference
earlier this week. I posted it. It's got over a
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million views just on my feet alone. Guessing this thing's
called viral you're talking five to ten million views or
something overall. This is the head coach of North Illinois.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
I enjoyed my college experience. I didn't get one dime,
but the lessons I learned was more valuable than any
money you can ever pay me. And I appreciate that
because that is long term. People are losing the fact
that this is short term. I coached in the National
Football League for five years.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Five years.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Don't lose focus or work the long term. Get your degree,
learn valuable lesson that's going to help you in the
long term of your life. That's the whole purpose. This
is a transition from being a kid to a grown up,
and I hope people don't lose focus of that.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
So keep in mind. This is Thomas Hammock, who is
an alum of Northern Illinois. Right he played football there
back in the heyday in NA nine to two thousand
and two thousand and two. Right then he went to
Madison and he got his master's and he started coaching football.
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And I understand that what happens is the human brain
works this way.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I here.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Pick the college coach. You know, when Nick Stables coach,
he's making ten million dollars. Right, so he makes ten million,
the players make nothing. There's there's two parts to it.
First part is do I think that at the very
very top of the salary pool, college coaches are overpaid?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah, probably, But I also think they're CEOs of companies.
I'm a CEO of a company. The buck stops here.
I have to manage my recruiting budget, like we we had.
We had to change our black uniforms, okay, but to
put in a full set of Adidas uniforms, it's like
(30:58):
twenty nine hundred bucks. We had to change uniforms because
they're not NCAA compliant. In the in the chance that
we make the NCAA tournament this year, we could only
wear the gray uniforms. It's the only ones that were
NCAA compliant. So we redid the white ones. But they're like, yeah,
we're not going to wear white in the na tournament anyway, right,
Like we're not going to be a lower seed than anybody.
So in an effort to save money, it's a real thing,
(31:20):
we just redid the tops. That's it. So it's seventeen
hundred bucks instead of twenty nine hundred bucks. Right, And
you're like, well, what is that that affords me a
little bit more money? You know, we call back every
vendor that we use. We have an analytics company that
I think is outstanding I would love to have, and
(31:41):
we got like the Cadillac setup. I had to have
an uncomfortable conversation like, hey, we either need to cut
this contract or trim it down or figure it out.
Why Because I need that money, because I got to
compensate players. I got to compensate my coaching staff. Remember
Thomas Hammock. You may sit there think you know whatever
he makes at Northern Illinois has head coach. He started
as a GA at Wisconsin, a GA, you're not getting
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any money, You're simply getting your school paid for. Then
he was a running back coach at his alma mater
for a year. Then he was with the Minnesota Vikings
in the NFL for three years right starting as the
running backs coach and then working at co offensive coordinator
and running backs coach. So now he started creeping into
the six figures area. Then he coached back at Wisconsin.
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Then he was with the Ravens again as the running
back coach for four years. So he has worked since
he graduated college in two thousand and two till now, hey,
this is when he got this head coaching. First head
coaching break was seventeen years later. She's like, oh my gosh,
look at how much money Thomas Hammock makes. Dude, he
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worked seventeen years to get to that spot. But here's
the honest question, and look, this is is it some
of it recruiting, Yeah, but a lot of it is true.
How are we going to have alumni games in college sports? Alumniac?
What's what's your alma mater? There's one other thing he
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didn't calculate in there he didn't talk about. And you
can follow me on Twitter at Gottlieb Show. You can
see this the fold context of the rant. If you
haven't heard already, we have no value as a society
now for getting into college getting into college. If you
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don't know how hard it is to get into college,
you haven't had a kid apply for college recently. When
I was coming out of high school at Tustin High
School in Orange County, California in nineteen ninety five, the
safety to all safety schools the easiest school to get
into in the cal state system, cause you have like
in order you had UC system that's U see Centa, Barber, UCLA, Berkeley,
(33:55):
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Okay, then you have
the cow Poly system a little bit less. It's difficult still, Okay,
that's cal Poly that's in Pomona, and cal Poly San
Luis Obispo that's in uh sant l'sabispol Central Coast. Then
you have the cal states, which were easier and you
basically had to graduate like a two five. If you
had a pulse, you were getting in Santeo State. And
(34:18):
then if you want to party, went to Santage State.
If you want to smoke weed, you went to Humboldt
uh or to what's the other one that's up there?
Oh man, I can't remember. There's there's two that are
way up north right and everybody and you'd say, well,
I'm gonna major horticulture, Like, yeah, we know what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Right.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
San Diego State now is unbelievably hard to get into
one of the most difficult schools in the country to
get into. Why there's sports called their basketball team was awesome,
and then people are like, I could go to school
in San Diego, where do I sign up? Well, it's
become like you get a four point zero and not
get into Santue State and being in state, and of
(34:57):
course all the kids out of state want to come in.
Why do you want to have more out of state
kids come in if you're standing a state, because you
make more money international, you can charge whatever you want,
So there's no calculation or valuation from parents, agents, or
people on social media of getting into school and then
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the college experience growing becoming the dude he talks about
playing time. Like a lot of these kids, they hey,
if you're gonna give me, you know what I make
one point five x of what I make, they'll go
and just chase the dollar. And then they realize that's
it's the Peter principle. Do you guys know the Peter principles.
(35:38):
It's when you're promoted above the level of your competency.
Right if last year you were in the MAC and
you were a starter, and you transferred to the Big
ten and now you're not a star, You're like, man,
I was killing at the MAC. They promised me a chance,
they give me more money, Like, dude, that's not how
it works. You were in the MAC for a reason.
And again I know JJ Watt came from the Mac
and is a Hall of Famer when he transferred and
(35:59):
transition to a different position and played at Wisconsin. But
those stories are outliers. The reality is most guys who
leave and most teams leave that you lose your whole team,
whole team. And I just think it's very easy to say, well,
(36:22):
these kids deserve it, okay, but what but what do
you lose when you leave? What do you lose? You're
never going to have your jersey on a wall if
you leave, You're not. No one's going to retire outside
(36:42):
of Shador Sanders, but it's two years of Colorado. No
one's going to retire a number of a guy who
played there for a year or yeah, you know, as
a transfer, that just doesn't happen. That just doesn't happen.
And you have to understand where you fit in the
salary pool. You know, low level six figures on a
(37:03):
high major club in college basketball means you're not going
to play. I hope you like, So we tell both
time like, you can go take that. That's great. If
it's your senior year and somebody offers you one hundred
and twenty five thousand dollars to play at name your
Power for School or the Big East. Do you know
that money means you're not going to play? And that's
(37:26):
great if that's what you want. Hey, I want some
money to start me on my professional life. Great. If
you want to play basketball, you need to have basketball
film to then go play. And then the other thing
we're doing, and this is more basketball pacific, but it's
also football specific. We're screwing up the minds of what
the market looks like. Let me give you an example. Okay, again,
in college basketball. And I know this because this is
(37:48):
the world in which I operated in when I'm not
hosting the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. There
are lots of players playing college basketball making two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars. Okay, And again, as I said,
two hundred fifty thousand dollars. Maybe you play, Maybe you don't,
Probably you play. Probably you're a starter now at a
(38:08):
Power for school at two hundred and fifty grand. You're
not the guy, but you're one of the guys. You
get done playing, Hey, remember the G League doesn't play
that you're not good enough to make the NBA. You
go overseas. Hey, I'm gonna go overseas. Do you want
to know what you make? Usually when you're playing overseas
your first year maybe six figures maybe, So what happens
(38:35):
you get done playing in your agent's like I got
a deal for you. Okay, it's second division. They hear
second division. They're like, no, no, no, no, this that works.
Second division Italy take care of everything. Live on the water.
It's great. All bill's taken care of seventy five thousand dollars.
Like I just made two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
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playing at whatever state university in right, We've completely screwed
that up. Where seventy five thousand dollars for a rookie
in a to in Italy is a lot of money.
It's a great opportunity. And then the idea is every
year you stack you make more, more and more and
more and more and more and more, and eventually you
hopefully play in your league team and you make seven
figures and you send that money home. So the point
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is that in everyone's effort to make sure college athletes
are compensated, we are screwing up all these different pieces
valuing getting into school valuing the actual college experience, valuing
in being a dude and having an alma mater, a
place to call home, and the market for when they
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get out of school. Other than that is a perfect
system right outside of that, Missus Lincoln, how is the show?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 1 (39:57):
What up?
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Which you Doug Gottlieben for Colin. This is the Herd
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All right, let's welcome in the former Pro Bowl wide receiver,
longtime guest of my show other shows. Of course, he's
hu'sh Tjoshpinzada. He joins us now in the herd on
Fox Sports Radio. Who'shu shod Or Sanders? So the good
(41:02):
is after the first couple of series, look good, you know,
look confident, deliver the ball with accuracy, move well in
the pocket. Like I'm not going to sit here and
tell you I know the quarterback position like you do
or like coaches do. But look, it wasn't like he
didn't look like he belonged out there. He looked really good.
But that's first preseason game. It's not with the ones,
(41:24):
it's not against the ones. And there's a lot of
quarterbacks that have looked good, that are young, that are inexperienced,
and that are not starters. What's your assessment of Schador
at this point in time and how he looks.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
I thought he looked great, to be honest with you,
And you're right, he wasn't going against the ones. But
very rarely do we see a quarterback drafted in the
fifth round play this way in his first NFL game. Ever,
we haven't seen that. I don't know if we can
recall a quarterback that wasn't drafted in the first round
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playing like this his first game. Now, obviously we would
like to see how he would perform going against starters.
But when you watch that game, the touch, the anticipation,
and he played on time, that translates. Now. Maybe that
first touchdown throw in a back corner against the Ones.
(42:17):
When he threw that ball, I was like, ooh, that's
a pick. Oh great throw. Maybe that's an incompletion. But
he just trusts himself so much, and when you play
with confidence, yeah, Like, it sucks that he's not going
to be able to play this weekend because of his
oblique injury, because I would have liked to scene how
he would have looked tomorrow. But that was a first
(42:38):
step in the right direction. He should be proud of himself.
But we know this playing sports, it's not what you
did yesterday. It's what can you do today and tomorrow
and every day moving forward.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
Okay, so let's get into it for a second. I actually,
you know, it's interesting. I love the path that he
had playing college football from this perspective, and is he
went to a level that was honestly well below his
level of competency coming out of high school. Right, he
was like a three four star or whatever, and you know,
he's recruited like Southern Miss level. So instead goes to
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Jackson State, obviously plays for his dad, but he gets
to start for two years. Then they jump up and
he gets to start for two years at Colorado and
because he's I mean, this is honestly who should Maybe
this is a little bit too much in the Beltway,
you know, behind the curtain, but in recruiting at my
level and really kind of at any level, but at
my level, we don't necessarily want a power five kid
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transferring down because in order for a power five kid
to transfer down to our level, he'd likely didn't play.
So he doesn't have the confidence because he hasn't actually
done it before, and because he was at a higher level,
he thinks that he's better than he actually is because
our level is actually pretty darn good. Right, So he
did the reverse, which is what we try and do
in recruiting, which is, hey start at this level, kill it,
(43:57):
and then go to the next level get paid. But
also play against better competition, but you have confidence. And
we've recruited two D two kids that have supreme self
confidence because they were dominant Division two one, Division three player. Anyway,
point is he's confident, he's well rounded, He's seen lots
of different football because he's actually played it. But what
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everyone said was missing was really two things right. It
was the the lack of engagement in those meetings and
really it comes down to the feeling of entitlement. And
then two from a football perspective, it's does he have
a big time arm and is he a big time athlete?
Let's start with the entitlement piece. Does it as a
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pro as a vet shows up, got the entourage, got
a guy carrying his bag, somebody filming him. That's part
of who he is. Does that affect the locker room
at all?
Speaker 3 (44:48):
No, we got to understand who is this. It's a
new day and age man. These young kids or young men,
they've grown up in a influencer era. Everything that they
do they want to record it. They want to have memories,
did they they want to have everything on video. That's
(45:11):
just what this generation is and we got to get
used to that. Like that the arrogance, like people, Oh
he's cocky, he's arrogant. He he may have been, but
I promise you you want somebody with supreme confidence over
somebody that has no confidence.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
There's a middle there's a middle ground there, right. I mean,
look what they try to do. What they try to
do is they try to dictate where he was going.
And so that was a.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Lesson learned, right like that, that was a lesson learned
from them. If that's what they try to do, that's
a lesson learned. But I promise you I would rather
you be KACKI. Then you have no confidence because the
cockiness that many perceived him to have, he was somewhat
humble because of what happened. I believe he's going to
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be a really good player because as he has that.
I can't be as cocky as I was if I'm
trying to control where I go and I go on
the fifth round. But I'm gonna be me and me
is uber confident, super belief in myself, and that goes
so fine. I think people forget that. Man, if you
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don't have belief, you might as well give it up.
Speaker 4 (46:22):
You could not be more right.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
T J.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
Huschmansato former Pro bowlide receiver joining us, the wide receiver
whisperer himself kind of to spend some time here with
us in the herd that said, hey, can you be
I know it's a new era. I would We could
go back and forth on whether or not it's a
new era for quarterbacks with that, but that's I know
it's a new era. Can you be that guy with
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a media social media entourage following and be a backup
quarterback in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (46:52):
No? Now, you if you're a young guy, if you're
a backup a year or two, possibly, but you you
can be a career back up and have that. No,
I don't believe so. Now the entourage is his older brothers,
So is it really? I mean, that's a family member
that's doing the recording, is Dion Jr. And so it's
(47:15):
tough to have an entourage and people recording you in
this camera that camera. When you aren't a starter, that
that is going to be tough. But once you become
a starter, you're gonna have to You're gonna have to
manage it. You can't it can be over the top
all the time. You aren't going to have to manage
(47:35):
it because now other players are gonna feel they can
do certain things that they've seen you do and they're
not you, and so it's a fine line that they're
gonna have to walk. But it's so far away. I
don't mind the videos. Everybody is recording themselves, whether they're
gonna record themselves, they're gonna go on live, they're gonna
go on ticks, whatever it is, or they're gonna have
(47:57):
somebody do it. And it's done the right way. And
he's just doing it the right way instead of knowing
it himself.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
Yeah, he's the only quarterback to be doing it. That's
that's that's there. The positional part of it is going
to be the interesting aspect.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
You've never seen a quarterback do these things, but hey.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
Yeah, but he did it to be losing.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
No, no, no, no, I'm just sitting like when the
quarterback has always been the gods, it's kind of quiet.
He's going to lead, but he isn't doing these things.
But he's look his father maybe the flashiest football player
to ever play ever changed, and so he's been bred
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this way.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
I know, I listen, I got it. I just it's
like you said, you can't do it if you're a backup,
and now he's hurt, gives other guys an opportunity. Maybe
they've maybe they fall in their face. Like I think
he's more talent than Dylan Gabriel. I think most people
think that. But Dylan Gabriel personality wise, is a great backup.
But did you draft a guy in the third round
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to be a backup? I don't know. We'll we'll find out.
Let me ask you about Matt Stafford. So Sean me
Vay comes out and says he's gonna do some throwing
next week. He was supposed to do some throwing this week.
It's it's what's the old Yogi bear expression, it's getting
later early. If you're should the Rams be freaking out
over Matt Stafford, I'd.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Be concerned if you haven't, Yeah, you're Matt Stafford. I
met Matthew Stafford when he was going into a sophomore
year at Georgia, so it's long ago. He was a
great throw out of football. Then he's still a great
throw at the football. Now. One thing he's gonna be
able to do is throw the football with great accuracy
(49:48):
and great velocity. He it will concern me that he
hasn't practiced in training camp. That that is concerning, especially
when you say, okay, last Saturday he threw sixty passes.
We'll see how he feels on Sunday the next day.
So if he felt good on Sunday, you at least
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would have practiced on Tuesday. And so the still now
practice shows me he didn't feel good the next morning,
because if he felt good, he would have practiced. And
so it has to be concerning, like they can spend
it any way you want to spend it. If Matthew
Stafford isn't practicing, something is bothering him. And so if
I'm the raums 'm concerning because the Rams are Super
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Bowl contenders, but they aren't Super Bowl contenders that Matthew
Stafford isn't under center.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
Calum Williams did he play Doug.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
I'll say this, and I've told people this. If Caleb
Williams does not have success, this won't go to the
coaching staff. We can't blame matt uber Flues and the
offensive coordinator Ben Johnson is proven. Ben Johnson resurrected Jared Goff.
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Ben Johnson had the number one offense in the league
every year he was in Detroit. They were top three,
four or five moving the ball up and like we know,
Ben Johnson can get it done. If they don't have
this is all gonna be on Cayler Williams. Can he play?
I'm gonna say yes, but I don't know why you
didn't play the first game. Like it's a new system.
(51:26):
Very interesting, But I'm musa say yes, Caleb Williams can play.
They have the weapons at the skill position. They reinforced
that offensive line through free agency. But I'm slightly concerned.
I'll say that who's.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
Here the best man? We gotta catch up in person.
I appreciate you join us. Thanks for our guest in
the hurt, Doug.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
I appreciate you, man. Take care.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
That's my guy.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
T J. H.
Speaker 4 (51:49):
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This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowherd
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
What Up?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Welcome in. This is of the Herd. Wherever you may
be and however you may be, making this part of
your day. Thanks so much. I'm jud gottlie in for you, boy,
Colin Cowherd, and for the next couple of hours, I
want to talk sports with you. This is weird, right,
So Colin moved to the Midwest following me. Right, let's
(00:51):
just be honest. I followed him to Fox to where
I grew up in southern California. Then he follows me
to the Midwest. But now I'm in California and I
ease in parts unknown.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Right.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Hey, this is just the thing. I have to state
this because it's true. Obviously, Colin I for years have
gone back and forth about the hat backwards thing that
he has right. But here's my thing. I'm I'm gonna
state this because I know it to be true. A
lot of you saw our Boycoin Cowherd at Live Golf
last weekend. Right, Okay, can we get together and form
(01:29):
some sort of petition or have some sort of on
air teaching Colin how to wear a hat, Because if
you're going to criticize others for wearing their hat backwards
and how it looks, that's fine, then I'm going to
criticize you for not understanding the basics of how to
(01:50):
wear a ball cap, which is you don't put it
on top of your hair so that your hair is
still showing. That's not ball cap wearing one on one.
Everybody knows it. And when you wear it that way,
much like he believes you have your hat backwards, you
wear it that way, it gives off the perception of
you're trying to be a younger bro. It's not actually try.
(02:11):
I disagree, but again he's talking about perception. I'm telling you,
the perception is that guy's never played a sport in
his life, definitely never played baseball. If he doesn't know
how to wear a ball cap, is that fair? Okay?
So I just I wanted. I was waiting for this day,
maybe the last day I fill in for Colin. Very possible. Okay,
I love my boy, but I saw him last week
(02:33):
and I was like, can middlekough middle cooff doesn't have
this because he has no hair?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Right?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
He fired it before quit on him. I got it.
Colin has great hair. That's real hair. He's got there.
There's no implans, no nothing. That's a real, real mop
And he's been living on this hat backwards thing. He
got the Cowboys coach turning his hat around. That really
happened this year. Great mission accomplished, Colin Cowhert. But dude,
(03:02):
what are you doing? All right, let's get to the
story of the day Michigan was levied fines and suspensions.
And look, I don't know if this comes to be.
And the reason I say that is I'm actually a
coach for Wisconsin Green Bay, which Division one program. We
(03:25):
are under you know, NCAA rules and regulations, just like
anybody else. And what I have come to learn first
observing as a basketball analyst and a radio show host
and a TV yaker, and now I know is the
general thought in college athletics of the NCAA and the
(03:49):
NCAA is not some d'arconian organization made it out to be.
It's just the conglomerate of schools. And you know, it's
like being mad at Congress when there's actually every state
has the right to vote their rights. They vote their
opinions for their constituents. And you just say, I don't
(04:11):
like Congress. Well yeah, well there's fifty states, so you
don't like the individual representatives. These are the individual schools.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But there is.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
The Board of Infractions.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
The general thought for most people is, no matter what
rules the NCAA comes up with, if you sue, they'll lose.
Now here's where the NCAA has gotten smart over the
past couple of years. The new rules and regulations in
terms of roster limitations and this opt in that our
(04:46):
program is a part of. In most college athletic programs
outside the IVY League are a part of. All of
these rules supposedly are lawsuit proof, right, there's a reason
that they're put in place. They feel like their lawsuit
proof and they'll stabilize things for the next couple of
years dream scenario, maybe even ten years of some form
of stabilization. So I say that because when I read
(05:09):
to you what Michigan's been punished, just understand that very
likely that Michigan appeals, ensues and tries to get out
of it. Right, Okay, So I don't need to go
through what they were doing with the sign stealing. I
can only tell you that in my opinion without seeing
how much Jim harbaughd knew. It's one of those Hey,
(05:31):
I don't care you're doing advanced scouting, Give me the calls,
get them for me. Give me the calls. And when
you're running a program as big as Michigan, in my program,
you know my email right now, I have to It's
I have to do every I'm a CEO. I have
to worry about every little different department and oh yeah,
(05:53):
by the way, much like Doge, what can we cut,
what can we keep? How little can we spend to
get the most out of it because we have to
compensate the student athlete. Now, but I'm gonna commend the NCAA. Look,
do I think this was a dog and pony show?
I do? Do I think was that this was? Do
I think there's another Connor Stallions out there? I'm not sure.
(06:16):
I don't know. I do know that every college program,
basketball or football, tries to figure out what the signs
are for the other for the other team, and that's
what you do.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
What you doing.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
You're not allowed unless you're playing in a tournament in basketball,
to scout in person. So you watch on video and
if they pull on their ear, if they tug on
their jersey, if they tap their head, you try and
figure out what exactly the set is, what exactly they're doing,
so you know what's coming. And if you can't pick
it up on video, or if if you can, you
call somebody who's played them, because every coach has an
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assistant or a manager that's sitting on their bench. And
when you say that's it's earpool, write that down, earpool,
what is it? Hey? Then you go in at halftime
and you make sure that you have it listed. So
if they pull out their ear in the second half,
this is what they're doing. And usually you know beforehand
because you've talked to coaches that have coached against them,
because they keep a running tab of what they're calling
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and how it coincides with what they're doing on the floor.
Makes sense. Okay, So my point is I'm not excusing
the behavior of Michigan. I'm just telling you that everybody,
on some form or fashion does it feels like they
overdid it and they got caught and then they won.
But once they started winning, they probably they didn't have
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this brogram in place and they were in people's heads.
And oh yeah, by the way, if you didn't know
signs dealing took place, why do you have three different
people putting the signs out? Because two are fake signs? Right,
you know they're looking, so let's not act like you're
surprised that there's somebody in the stands or some video
camera trying to get it. That was Bill belichick entire argument. Right,
(08:01):
we film the game. They're running in signs at the game.
Why can't we just film the sideline and then what
it coincides with on the field. The big question for
Belichick was were they filming practice? That, of course, is
a no no. And most coaches are incredibly paranoid. If
they say a video camera running when they're in an
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empty gym or an empty stadium, Okay, they'll freak out.
They'll have somebody go put a towel over it or
whatever they do. I mean, heck, if you played youth football,
and I did you know this? Right before the game,
You'll be running through plays. What do you do with
the players who aren't involved? You line them up so
that the other coach can't look down and see what
you're doing. Right, And every high school football coach, college
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football coach has been paranoid for years at practice, at
covering up what you're doing. You know, high school coaches
especially making sure there's empty stadiums when they're running through
their game plan for the next day. So let's not
act like we're surprised that this happens or that Michigan's
the only one doing it. They got caught doing it
at a higher level and then ultimately succeeding while doing it.
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Here's the punishment. Four years of probation, financial penalties, A
fifty thousand dollars fine plus ten percent of the budget
of the football program, an equivalent to the anticipated loss
of all postseason competition revenue sharing associated with the twenty
twenty five twenty twenty six football seasons. A fine equivalent
to the cost of ten percent of scholarships awarded to
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Michigan's football programs in the twenty five to twenty six
academic year. A twenty five percent reduction official football visits
in twenty five to twenty six, a fourteen week probation
recruiting communications in the football program during the probation period.
And then Connor Stallion's eight year show cause. Harbaugh, you
knew he had a ten year show cause. Denard Robinson
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wasn't he shoelaces, wasn't his nickname when he played our
shoe strings when he played there as quarterback? Three year
show cause, restricted from all athletically really activities. That's actually
a big one. That means he can't really coach in
college football, whereas the show cause means you have to
show cause for hiring somebody. It doesn't mean you can't coach.
You can't get the job. You have to just go
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through an infractions committee and say you're sorry and say
you've improved. It's much like the probation department, you know,
when you're trying to remember the start of Shawshank redemption,
where you have to say that you're a changed man
type deal. And then Sharon Moore got a two year
show cause, but he's still the head coach, so that
doesn't matter. And he suspended a total of three games
Michigan imposed a two game suspension for this year. The
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panel says he's got to be suspended one additional game.
Do you want to know why? It's an awesome punishment
because it hits them in the wallet. They're not taking
down a banner that we know they earned and that
you can't.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Do.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
You guys, remember Men in Black? Right, Remember the little
silver thing that Will Smith or Tommy Lee Jones would
hold up and press it and everybody's memory would be
a race. Your short term memories is zapped. Don't you
wish that occurred in life? Wouldn'd be so cool? You're
like in an argument with your girlfriend and your wife
(11:13):
and you're just like two, Like what we're even arguing about?
I don't know, Mabe, how you doing right? Reset? Well,
the that's called a neuralizer. Don't ask me how I know,
O gay Men in Black called it a neuralizer. There
is no neuralizer where we can hit the button. And
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Louisville's twenty thirteen NCAA Championship is a race for our
memory banks.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Right.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
We all saw it. We saw Trey Burke cleanly block
Peyton Siva. It didn't get called as a clean block
It changed the momentum of that game, and Rick Patino's
Louisville Cardinal, Hey, Luke Hancock and the boys end up
winning a national championship. That's a real thing. Banner, No banner.
Nobody's giving back their rings, nobody's saying I'm not an
NCAA champion. That's just dumb. How do you really punish
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a university? And the answer is you take the money,
right and who does this ultimately hurt? That's a lot
of money. Ten percent of the budget of the football
program at the University of Michigan. Okay, we calculating coaches
salaries in the budget, yep, we calculate a recruiting budget, yep.
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Are we calculating rev share in that budget. I don't
know that it's going to be a lot of money. Now,
I'm guessing miniSIM Michigan will appeal and they'll probably sue
because it's a lot of money. And as much as
lawyer fees are a lot of money, I just ten
percent of scholarships a word a Michigan football program. Okay,
So what is an eighty thousand dollars scholarship a year?
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Nine ten percent is eight grand eight grand times what
do you have one hundred and five Now in college football,
you do the math, that's a lot of money. That's
just the eight hundred or so grand plus you got
to take what you were going to get. And you're like, well,
what if they didn't make the postseason? Now what they're
talking about is everyone in your league gets a portion
of the postseason revenue. You get I believe, two shares
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if you play, and then if you win, you get
additional shares of it. So that's a lot of money.
Now they didn't and I apparently can't take the TV revenue,
They can't take the in stadium revenue. Right where you're
making probably I don't know, Michigan one hundred thousand people.
I can only estimate between one hundred and one hundred
and fifty million dollars per year from in stadium revenue.
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So they'll be fine, don't get me wrong. But taking
away the money is the only way to truly, truly
punish college sports programs because it is all about the money. Now,
you want to know it hurts the most. I would
not want to be the coach of Michigan softball, Michigan baseball,
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swim and diving right I feel terrible for Michigan hockey
women's basketball because Dusty May. They raised a bunch of money.
They got a squad. I know they wanted to play us.
Who don't want to play us? And we're like, I
don't really want to get forty piece by Michigan. No thanks,
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not into that. They got a squad there. I don't
know what their budget is. Probably ten million dollars right,
maybe maybe more fifteen I don't know. They have a
top ten program. They're awesome, right, and they already have
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the contracts for their roster of football players, right, those
contracts are done. They have to pay those players, and
I'm guessing it's somewhere in the twenty twenty five million
dollar range overall with salaries, right, because Ohio State was
they won the national championship. Everybody said they were kind
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of top of the top of the heap in the
twenties twenty million, So you got to calculate one, every
Michigan's gonna try and get to that level, and then
two there's some sort of inflation. Can we say twenty
five million?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Right?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Then you got a factor in the coaching staff you're
talking about. I don't know somewhere in the fifty million
dollar variety. They have to be. You have to be
competitive in football, you have to be competitive in basketball
because that's where you make your money. So what I
love is that they hit him where it hurts. Again,
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I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that. I
don't know all the facts in the case, and I
don't have the time to kind of delineate how big
a deal this actually is. I do think that this
is kind of classic NCAA and it's like anything else,
like you know, supposedly this is Ohio State fans finding
this out, turning them in. We saw what likely Texas
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fans did to John Mattier this week. It's like, you A,
allowing fans to matter is a mistake in litigating something
like this, in my opinion, allowing them to be whistleblowers
and oh my gosh, gotcha, because what that does is
now Michigan fans are going to have their cell phones
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on and try and find Ohio State guys and you know,
there's all this, you know, all this back and forth,
but whatever, Okay, they did a lengthy investigation, this is
what they found out, and for years it was scholarship
productions right and taking down banners. Well, you can't take
away scholarships now, because if you take away a player's scholarship,
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you say hey, instead of I think it's one hundred
and five, I'm sorry, we don't have a football program.
I don't care about those numbers that used to be
eighty five. And what they've done is they've done instead
of scholarship limitations, it's roster limitations, it's roster limitations. And
again we were told that the reason they did roster limitations,
says scholarship limitations is their lawsuit proof that this is
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what This is how sports can survive lawsuits. Where you're
not cutting scholarships, you're simply cutting roster spots. That's all
you can have. You can do. Every spot can be
a scholarship, or half of them can be scholarships, or
none of them can be spot. You can do whatever
you want within your own domain. If you opted in,
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and Michigan of course opted in, I'm Doug Gotliebin for Colin.
This is the hurt Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. What
you need to know is what you need to know
is Michigan got hit. What it hurts, right, got hit
where it hurts in the wallet, in the wallet and
if you ask any Michigan coach or administrator, okay, four years,
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they felt like, despite the fact we're Michigan, uh that
the hardest part for them was raising the money and
getting up to the level of Ohio State because Ohio
State has never cared about anything other than how can
we put the best team on the field. Michigan liked
to have the academic repute, Well how state just want
to win championships. Ohio States run fast and loose with
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rules for a lifetime, especially in the football side. Okay,
I'm guessing probably Michigan did too, only they like Notre Dame,
like to feel like they're academically above it. They finally
got to the level of full investment from the university
on the football program, and now they're losing what ten
percent of their budget and all of their posts what
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would have been postseason revenue. And my guess is what
that hurts most is all the Olympic sports, the ones
that you don't hear about. Olympic sports are picked the
one you don't soccer, hockey, track and field, lacrosse, any
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of those ones. Their budgets chopped and what you do
is then you move it over cleverly to Michigan football.
Well you can't. We cut the budget. There's always ways,
always ways. What do I know, I just work for
an insance.
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Welcome in This is the Herd, wherever you may be
and however you may make it this part of your day.
Thanks so much. I'm Doug gottliebe in for Colin cowherd
and for the next couple of hours, I want to
talk sports with you. God. So for those of you
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are like, hey, Gottlieb, what are you doing now that
I'm a college basketball Oh? That's right in college basketball,
that's right. Yeah, So what's that like? That's what everybody asks.
That everybody asks, And I'll share with you a lot
if you'd like. And it's this is it's a fascinating,
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fascinating I don't want to say experiment, but just time
of change in all business. Right, I'll give you an example. Okay,
it's not just college sports. I think pro sports, especially basketball,
is about to change greatly. I'll explain in a second.
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I think football. I think NFL football is going to change.
I mean the perfect example is, yes, Archie Manning, just
like arch man, just like Peyton Manning, just like, why
am I forgetting Peyton Manning? What was the two time
Super Bowl champion? Why am I the other Manning? Eli Manning? Sorry, Okay,
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gonna stay four years. Not because of nil, but because
they believe, much like most people, that the more reps
you have, the more ready you are, The more ready
you are, the more confidence you have, the more confidence
you have. The better you play initially, the better you
play initially, the easier it is for you to maintain.
You get like a year and a half to be
a starting quarterback in the NFL, and if you can't
do it, it's a top pick. Then you're out right
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and you become a career backup, or you bounce around
chasing checks. You're doing the like the Jets quarterback. Right,
I mean this is his third team in three years. Yeah,
Justin Field's third team in three years. Why is that?
Because he basically got a year and a half. Bears Dion'
think he's good enough, They moved on, goes to steal
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Steelers knew he wasn't good enough. Same thing, rinse repeat,
rinse repeat. So I think that the arch Manning thing
doesn't have a ton to do with nil or rev
share or the money that he's making. Kid was making
money as comes from money. Money isn't the driving force.
But I do think that the NFL is going to change.
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The draft is so much different now because everybody is older,
and they're older because they stay in school longer. They
stay in school longer because there's not the desperation for
the NFL check the way there used to be, which
in many ways is a good thing. There are bad
things about Nilka, there are bad things about compensating athletes,
but the fact that they are staying in school longer
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is not one of them. It is a benefit. Now,
let's not act like that was the intent of it. Okay,
No one ever said, hey, you know, once we start
paying players, they're going to stay in school longer. Nobody
said that it's an ancillary benefit. It's an unintended consequence,
but it is something that happens. So there's a smaller
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pool of prospects for the NFL Draft, but you have
more tape on them. On the other hand, they some
of them have played at three or four schools, five
schools even so it's harder to get the background on
what type of kit he is if he's only been
in a place for six months before he declares for
the NFL Draft. Right, it's very different. And this I
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believe North Carolina's got seventy new players, Bill belchiks seventy
new players, and like they're introducing themselves to each other,
like in warm up lines, and my name is Jim,
where are you from? Oklahoma State? Milwa Manter sixty five
new players, and you have like fifteen padded practices before
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you play a real football game. Fifteen. Remember most of
these teams don't have spring games. A lot of these
players are picked up in the spring, some in the summer,
some right before the fall. So you would think your
offenses and your defenses might be a little bit more rudimentary.
College offenses have never been as ornate as pro offenses.
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Same thing with defenses, and that may actually regress, whereas
in previous years you would think college offenses were kind
of creating things that the NFL copied. So sports is changing.
In baseball, the Milwaukee Brewers are the talk of Major
League Baseball?
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Right?
Speaker 4 (24:32):
What are they won in a row? Twenty two in
a row or something? Twenty one in a row, twelve
in a row? I like the twenty two is a
better number. It was better. It was better. And we
have the greatest SoundBite ever, the most Wisconsin thing ever.
We'll share with you later on the show. They won
twelve in a row. But the Brewers were good last year.
Remember this a Brewers team that lost their manager to
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their rival the Cubs. Why because Craig Council was like
Brewers are awesome, but the like colihood of winning is
increased when you go to the Cubs because they have
more money. Right the Brewers are built. I've talked to
their general manager. I've talked to their manager, and they
told me that every position player they draft was a
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shortstop at some point in their lives. Baseball has changed
with the pitchclock, but more than anything with the bases,
with the lack of ships, athleticism is a much bigger
part of the game. So they're not just the best
team in baseball. They tried to build the best most
athletic team in baseball. It's one of the things that's
happened to the Yankees going back to that past couple
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of years is they were built for a four gone
era of just hit home runs or walk or strikeout,
and now you can manufacture runs. So sports changes in
a myriad of ways, and in college sports it's changed
because we're now we're paying the players. Right now, we're
paying the players. And what you find is, look, I
(26:00):
have one full year now in the bank. I got
the job at the middle of the end of May
last year. Hey, as you know, the portal opens in March,
so I didn't have a full season that way, and
not everything that I believe or maybe even I know
(26:20):
is accurate at the highest level because we are not
at the highest level, but I do know in many
ways how it operates. So Thomas Hammock is the head
coach of Northern Illinois. Okay, what do you remember about
Northern Illinois last season? They beat Notre Dame. Right, Notre
Dame beat text A and M on the road, and
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they come back home, they get beat by by by
Northern Illinois and then Northern Illinois has average season after that.
So Northern Illinois, I'm sure, I'm might be sure. I'm
guessing it's a tough putt financially for them. Now they're
going to join our league in basketball only basketball and
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I think Olympic Sports starting next year. And the Illinois schools,
the non Champagne Urbana, Right, that's the main universe. When
you say Illinois, that's the main campus. But they have
Eastern Illinois, they have Western Illinois, they have Southern Illinois,
the Sulukis, they have Northern Illinois, the Huskies. They got
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different schools, have different financial issues. Western Illinois a ton
of financial issues, like school could close down financial issues
in the Wisconsin system. Our school and Madison University Wisconsin
are the only two that are growing. We've gone from
like seven eight, nine thousand. We're twelve thousand students this
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year and we're expanding. But all the other university Wisconsin's stout,
Steven's Point, River Falls, even Milwaukee, they're shrinking. So there's
a fight over budget. But the bigger thing is, Okay,
how how do you build a college football college basketball
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program when you're trying to have a high retention rate?
Bring kids back, right, bring kids back every year. Because
we all know, like that's what Purdue has done. That's
one of the reasons that they win. Purdue is like
the model for college basketball. Yes, they sprinkle in a
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transfer here at transfer there. This year they take in
an Israeli point guard to go with maybe the best
point guard in the country. They should be really, really good.
But the big thing for Purdue is like they want
their guys to stay. So I want you to listen
to something that Thomas Hammick said at a press conference
earlier this week. I posted it. It's got over a
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million views just on my feet alone. Guessing this thing's
called viral you're talking five to ten million views or
something overall. This is the head coach of North Illinois.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
I enjoyed my college experience. I didn't get one dime,
but the lessons I learned was more valuable than any
money you can ever pay me. And I appreciate that
because that is long term. People are losing the fact
that this is short term. I coached in the National
Football League for five years.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Five years.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Don't lose focus or work the long term. Get your degree,
learn valuable lesson that's going to help you in the
long term of your life. That's the whole purpose. This
is a transition from being a kid to a grown up,
and I hope people don't lose focus of that.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
So keep in mind. This is Thomas Hammock, who is
an alum of Northern Illinois. Right he played football there
back in the heyday in NA nine to two thousand
and two thousand and two. Right then he went to
Madison and he got his master's and he started coaching football.
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And I understand that what happens is the human brain
works this way.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I here.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Pick the college coach. You know, when Nick Stables coach,
he's making ten million dollars. Right, so he makes ten million,
the players make nothing. There's there's two parts to it.
First part is do I think that at the very
very top of the salary pool, college coaches are overpaid?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah, probably, But I also think they're CEOs of companies.
I'm a CEO of a company. The buck stops here.
I have to manage my recruiting budget, like we we had.
We had to change our black uniforms, okay, but to
put in a full set of Adidas uniforms, it's like
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twenty nine hundred bucks. We had to change uniforms because
they're not NCAA compliant. In the in the chance that
we make the NCAA tournament this year, we could only
wear the gray uniforms. It's the only ones that were
NCAA compliant. So we redid the white ones. But they're like, yeah,
we're not going to wear white in the na tournament anyway, right,
Like we're not going to be a lower seed than anybody.
So in an effort to save money, it's a real thing,
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we just redid the tops. That's it. So it's seventeen
hundred bucks instead of twenty nine hundred bucks. Right, And
you're like, well, what is that that affords me a
little bit more money? You know, we call back every
vendor that we use. We have an analytics company that
I think is outstanding I would love to have, and
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we got like the Cadillac setup. I had to have
an uncomfortable conversation like, hey, we either need to cut
this contract or trim it down or figure it out.
Why Because I need that money, because I got to
compensate players. I got to compensate my coaching staff. Remember
Thomas Hammock. You may sit there think you know whatever
he makes at Northern Illinois has head coach. He started
as a GA at Wisconsin, a GA, you're not getting
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any money, You're simply getting your school paid for. Then
he was a running back coach at his alma mater
for a year. Then he was with the Minnesota Vikings
in the NFL for three years right starting as the
running backs coach and then working at co offensive coordinator
and running backs coach. So now he started creeping into
the six figures area. Then he coached back at Wisconsin.
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Then he was with the Ravens again as the running
back coach for four years. So he has worked since
he graduated college in two thousand and two till now, hey,
this is when he got this head coaching. First head
coaching break was seventeen years later. She's like, oh my gosh,
look at how much money Thomas Hammock makes. Dude, he
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worked seventeen years to get to that spot. But here's
the honest question, and look, this is is it some
of it recruiting, Yeah, but a lot of it is true.
How are we going to have alumni games in college sports? Alumniac?
What's what's your alma mater? There's one other thing he
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didn't calculate in there he didn't talk about. And you
can follow me on Twitter at Gottlieb Show. You can
see this the fold context of the rant. If you
haven't heard already, we have no value as a society
now for getting into college getting into college. If you
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don't know how hard it is to get into college,
you haven't had a kid apply for college recently. When
I was coming out of high school at Tustin High
School in Orange County, California in nineteen ninety five, the
safety to all safety schools the easiest school to get
into in the cal state system, cause you have like
in order you had UC system that's U see Centa, Barber, UCLA, Berkeley,
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et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Okay, then you have
the cow Poly system a little bit less. It's difficult still, Okay,
that's cal Poly that's in Pomona, and cal Poly San
Luis Obispo that's in uh sant l'sabispol Central Coast. Then
you have the cal states, which were easier and you
basically had to graduate like a two five. If you
had a pulse, you were getting in Santeo State. And
(34:18):
then if you want to party, went to Santage State.
If you want to smoke weed, you went to Humboldt
uh or to what's the other one that's up there?
Oh man, I can't remember. There's there's two that are
way up north right and everybody and you'd say, well,
I'm gonna major horticulture, Like, yeah, we know what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Right.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
San Diego State now is unbelievably hard to get into
one of the most difficult schools in the country to
get into. Why there's sports called their basketball team was awesome,
and then people are like, I could go to school
in San Diego, where do I sign up? Well, it's
become like you get a four point zero and not
get into Santue State and being in state, and of
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course all the kids out of state want to come in.
Why do you want to have more out of state
kids come in if you're standing a state, because you
make more money international, you can charge whatever you want,
So there's no calculation or valuation from parents, agents, or
people on social media of getting into school and then
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the college experience growing becoming the dude he talks about
playing time. Like a lot of these kids, they hey,
if you're gonna give me, you know what I make
one point five x of what I make, they'll go
and just chase the dollar. And then they realize that's
it's the Peter principle. Do you guys know the Peter principles.
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It's when you're promoted above the level of your competency.
Right if last year you were in the MAC and
you were a starter, and you transferred to the Big
ten and now you're not a star, You're like, man,
I was killing at the MAC. They promised me a chance,
they give me more money, Like, dude, that's not how
it works. You were in the MAC for a reason.
And again I know JJ Watt came from the Mac
and is a Hall of Famer when he transferred and
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transition to a different position and played at Wisconsin. But
those stories are outliers. The reality is most guys who
leave and most teams leave that you lose your whole team,
whole team. And I just think it's very easy to say, well,
(36:22):
these kids deserve it, okay, but what but what do
you lose when you leave? What do you lose? You're
never going to have your jersey on a wall if
you leave, You're not. No one's going to retire outside
(36:42):
of Shador Sanders, but it's two years of Colorado. No
one's going to retire a number of a guy who
played there for a year or yeah, you know, as
a transfer, that just doesn't happen. That just doesn't happen.
And you have to understand where you fit in the
salary pool. You know, low level six figures on a
(37:03):
high major club in college basketball means you're not going
to play. I hope you like, So we tell both
time like, you can go take that. That's great. If
it's your senior year and somebody offers you one hundred
and twenty five thousand dollars to play at name your
Power for School or the Big East. Do you know
that money means you're not going to play? And that's
(37:26):
great if that's what you want. Hey, I want some
money to start me on my professional life. Great. If
you want to play basketball, you need to have basketball
film to then go play. And then the other thing
we're doing, and this is more basketball pacific, but it's
also football specific. We're screwing up the minds of what
the market looks like. Let me give you an example. Okay, again,
in college basketball. And I know this because this is
(37:48):
the world in which I operated in when I'm not
hosting the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. There
are lots of players playing college basketball making two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars. Okay, And again, as I said,
two hundred fifty thousand dollars. Maybe you play, Maybe you don't,
Probably you play. Probably you're a starter now at a
(38:08):
Power for school at two hundred and fifty grand. You're
not the guy, but you're one of the guys. You
get done playing, Hey, remember the G League doesn't play
that you're not good enough to make the NBA. You
go overseas. Hey, I'm gonna go overseas. Do you want
to know what you make? Usually when you're playing overseas
your first year maybe six figures maybe, So what happens
(38:35):
you get done playing in your agent's like I got
a deal for you. Okay, it's second division. They hear
second division. They're like, no, no, no, no, this that works.
Second division Italy take care of everything. Live on the water.
It's great. All bill's taken care of seventy five thousand dollars.
Like I just made two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
(38:57):
playing at whatever state university in right, We've completely screwed
that up. Where seventy five thousand dollars for a rookie
in a to in Italy is a lot of money.
It's a great opportunity. And then the idea is every
year you stack you make more, more and more and
more and more and more and more, and eventually you
hopefully play in your league team and you make seven
figures and you send that money home. So the point
(39:19):
is that in everyone's effort to make sure college athletes
are compensated, we are screwing up all these different pieces
valuing getting into school valuing the actual college experience, valuing
in being a dude and having an alma mater, a
place to call home, and the market for when they
(39:43):
get out of school. Other than that is a perfect
system right outside of that, Missus Lincoln, how is the show?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter not a Empacific.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
What up?
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Which you Doug Gottlieben for Colin. This is the Herd
Fox Sports Trade VI iHeartRadio app. So by now, by
now you've seen your NFL team, and most NFL teams play,
you haven't necessarily seen all your starters play in a
preseason game. Okay, t Joshpinzada will join us. We'll talk
some Shador. We'll also talk a couple other quarterbacks of
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All right, let's welcome in the former Pro Bowl wide receiver,
longtime guest of my show other shows. Of course, he's
hu'sh Tjoshpinzada. He joins us now in the herd on
Fox Sports Radio. Who'shu shod Or Sanders? So the good
(41:02):
is after the first couple of series, look good, you know,
look confident, deliver the ball with accuracy, move well in
the pocket. Like I'm not going to sit here and
tell you I know the quarterback position like you do
or like coaches do. But look, it wasn't like he
didn't look like he belonged out there. He looked really good.
But that's first preseason game. It's not with the ones,
(41:24):
it's not against the ones. And there's a lot of
quarterbacks that have looked good, that are young, that are inexperienced,
and that are not starters. What's your assessment of Schador
at this point in time and how he looks.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
I thought he looked great, to be honest with you,
And you're right, he wasn't going against the ones. But
very rarely do we see a quarterback drafted in the
fifth round play this way in his first NFL game. Ever,
we haven't seen that. I don't know if we can
recall a quarterback that wasn't drafted in the first round
(41:56):
playing like this his first game. Now, obviously we would
like to see how he would perform going against starters.
But when you watch that game, the touch, the anticipation,
and he played on time, that translates. Now. Maybe that
first touchdown throw in a back corner against the Ones.
(42:17):
When he threw that ball, I was like, ooh, that's
a pick. Oh great throw. Maybe that's an incompletion. But
he just trusts himself so much, and when you play
with confidence, yeah, Like, it sucks that he's not going
to be able to play this weekend because of his
oblique injury, because I would have liked to scene how
he would have looked tomorrow. But that was a first
(42:38):
step in the right direction. He should be proud of himself.
But we know this playing sports, it's not what you
did yesterday. It's what can you do today and tomorrow
and every day moving forward.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
Okay, so let's get into it for a second. I actually,
you know, it's interesting. I love the path that he
had playing college football from this perspective, and is he
went to a level that was honestly well below his
level of competency coming out of high school. Right, he
was like a three four star or whatever, and you know,
he's recruited like Southern Miss level. So instead goes to
(43:12):
Jackson State, obviously plays for his dad, but he gets
to start for two years. Then they jump up and
he gets to start for two years at Colorado and
because he's I mean, this is honestly who should Maybe
this is a little bit too much in the Beltway,
you know, behind the curtain, but in recruiting at my
level and really kind of at any level, but at
my level, we don't necessarily want a power five kid
(43:35):
transferring down because in order for a power five kid
to transfer down to our level, he'd likely didn't play.
So he doesn't have the confidence because he hasn't actually
done it before, and because he was at a higher level,
he thinks that he's better than he actually is because
our level is actually pretty darn good. Right, So he
did the reverse, which is what we try and do
in recruiting, which is, hey start at this level, kill it,
(43:57):
and then go to the next level get paid. But
also play against better competition, but you have confidence. And
we've recruited two D two kids that have supreme self
confidence because they were dominant Division two one, Division three player. Anyway,
point is he's confident, he's well rounded, He's seen lots
of different football because he's actually played it. But what
(44:17):
everyone said was missing was really two things right. It
was the the lack of engagement in those meetings and
really it comes down to the feeling of entitlement. And
then two from a football perspective, it's does he have
a big time arm and is he a big time athlete?
Let's start with the entitlement piece. Does it as a
(44:38):
pro as a vet shows up, got the entourage, got
a guy carrying his bag, somebody filming him. That's part
of who he is. Does that affect the locker room
at all?
Speaker 3 (44:48):
No, we got to understand who is this. It's a
new day and age man. These young kids or young men,
they've grown up in a influencer era. Everything that they
do they want to record it. They want to have memories,
did they they want to have everything on video. That's
(45:11):
just what this generation is and we got to get
used to that. Like that the arrogance, like people, Oh
he's cocky, he's arrogant. He he may have been, but
I promise you you want somebody with supreme confidence over
somebody that has no confidence.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
There's a middle there's a middle ground there, right. I mean,
look what they try to do. What they try to
do is they try to dictate where he was going.
And so that was a.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Lesson learned, right like that, that was a lesson learned
from them. If that's what they try to do, that's
a lesson learned. But I promise you I would rather
you be KACKI. Then you have no confidence because the
cockiness that many perceived him to have, he was somewhat
humble because of what happened. I believe he's going to
(45:57):
be a really good player because as he has that.
I can't be as cocky as I was if I'm
trying to control where I go and I go on
the fifth round. But I'm gonna be me and me
is uber confident, super belief in myself, and that goes
so fine. I think people forget that. Man, if you
(46:20):
don't have belief, you might as well give it up.
Speaker 4 (46:22):
You could not be more right.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
T J.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
Huschmansato former Pro bowlide receiver joining us, the wide receiver
whisperer himself kind of to spend some time here with
us in the herd that said, hey, can you be
I know it's a new era. I would We could
go back and forth on whether or not it's a
new era for quarterbacks with that, but that's I know
it's a new era. Can you be that guy with
(46:45):
a media social media entourage following and be a backup
quarterback in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (46:52):
No? Now, you if you're a young guy, if you're
a backup a year or two, possibly, but you you
can be a career back up and have that. No,
I don't believe so. Now the entourage is his older brothers,
So is it really? I mean, that's a family member
that's doing the recording, is Dion Jr. And so it's
(47:15):
tough to have an entourage and people recording you in
this camera that camera. When you aren't a starter, that
that is going to be tough. But once you become
a starter, you're gonna have to You're gonna have to
manage it. You can't it can be over the top
all the time. You aren't going to have to manage
(47:35):
it because now other players are gonna feel they can
do certain things that they've seen you do and they're
not you, and so it's a fine line that they're
gonna have to walk. But it's so far away. I
don't mind the videos. Everybody is recording themselves, whether they're
gonna record themselves, they're gonna go on live, they're gonna
go on ticks, whatever it is, or they're gonna have
(47:57):
somebody do it. And it's done the right way. And
he's just doing it the right way instead of knowing
it himself.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
Yeah, he's the only quarterback to be doing it. That's
that's that's there. The positional part of it is going
to be the interesting aspect.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
You've never seen a quarterback do these things, but hey.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
Yeah, but he did it to be losing.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
No, no, no, no, I'm just sitting like when the
quarterback has always been the gods, it's kind of quiet.
He's going to lead, but he isn't doing these things.
But he's look his father maybe the flashiest football player
to ever play ever changed, and so he's been bred
(48:42):
this way.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
I know, I listen, I got it. I just it's
like you said, you can't do it if you're a backup,
and now he's hurt, gives other guys an opportunity. Maybe
they've maybe they fall in their face. Like I think
he's more talent than Dylan Gabriel. I think most people
think that. But Dylan Gabriel personality wise, is a great backup.
But did you draft a guy in the third round
(49:04):
to be a backup? I don't know. We'll we'll find out.
Let me ask you about Matt Stafford. So Sean me
Vay comes out and says he's gonna do some throwing
next week. He was supposed to do some throwing this week.
It's it's what's the old Yogi bear expression, it's getting
later early. If you're should the Rams be freaking out
over Matt Stafford, I'd.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Be concerned if you haven't, Yeah, you're Matt Stafford. I
met Matthew Stafford when he was going into a sophomore
year at Georgia, so it's long ago. He was a
great throw out of football. Then he's still a great
throw at the football. Now. One thing he's gonna be
able to do is throw the football with great accuracy
(49:48):
and great velocity. He it will concern me that he
hasn't practiced in training camp. That that is concerning, especially
when you say, okay, last Saturday he threw sixty passes.
We'll see how he feels on Sunday the next day.
So if he felt good on Sunday, you at least
(50:08):
would have practiced on Tuesday. And so the still now
practice shows me he didn't feel good the next morning,
because if he felt good, he would have practiced. And
so it has to be concerning, like they can spend
it any way you want to spend it. If Matthew
Stafford isn't practicing, something is bothering him. And so if
I'm the raums 'm concerning because the Rams are Super
(50:31):
Bowl contenders, but they aren't Super Bowl contenders that Matthew
Stafford isn't under center.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
Calum Williams did he play Doug.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
I'll say this, and I've told people this. If Caleb
Williams does not have success, this won't go to the
coaching staff. We can't blame matt uber Flues and the
offensive coordinator Ben Johnson is proven. Ben Johnson resurrected Jared Goff.
(51:02):
Ben Johnson had the number one offense in the league
every year he was in Detroit. They were top three,
four or five moving the ball up and like we know,
Ben Johnson can get it done. If they don't have
this is all gonna be on Cayler Williams. Can he play?
I'm gonna say yes, but I don't know why you
didn't play the first game. Like it's a new system.
(51:26):
Very interesting, But I'm musa say yes, Caleb Williams can play.
They have the weapons at the skill position. They reinforced
that offensive line through free agency. But I'm slightly concerned.
I'll say that who's.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
Here the best man? We gotta catch up in person.
I appreciate you join us. Thanks for our guest in
the hurt, Doug.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
I appreciate you, man. Take care.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
That's my guy.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
T J. H.
Speaker 4 (51:49):
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