August 29, 2025 • 41 mins
Jason McIntyre fills in for Colin reacting to MAJOR BREAKING NFL NEWS: the Cowboys trade star pass rusher Micah Parsons to the Packers! He explains why this instantly makes Green Bay Super Bowl contenders despite having a young roster. He also talks to Cowboys insider Jane Slater to find out where things broke down between Parsons and Jerry Jones that led to this shocking trade.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Good morning, Los Angeles. It's me Jason McIntyre here on
the Herd. Happy afternoon to the East Coast folks. It's Friday.
It is a beautiful day of culmination.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
To a spectacular week. Listen.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Rachel Nichols and I have had a banger of a
week hosting this show. I mean, listen, we had the
Taylor Swift no days at.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
A helm, they engagement, no day's off, you know every day.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I'm looking at my notes here.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I angered the Chicago Bears fan base with this. Caleb
williamsuff I'm just hoping Rachel, we can close with and
it's some.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Good news find it and good news that keyp Living
Green Bank.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
We were gifted basically, I mean the gift that keeps
on giving.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Like this is amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Michael Parsons traded by the Cowboys would have happened like
two hours after our show.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
And I walked into the morning meeting and I said,
are we gonna just do three hours on Michael Parsons?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
We could?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Cowherd texted me that should be the entire show. I
was like, yes, sir, not to yes, sir, Coward will
be back next week.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
But let's start there. Let's start with the.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Green Bay Packers basically putting on ski masks, going into
Dallas and stealing Michael Parsons from the Cowboys for peanuts.
I cannot believe that this trade happened. I think obviously
green Bay won the trade. There's many angles to break
down here. I'm gonna go with the Packers angle first
because I do think and I haven't seen a lot
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of other takes on this, I think the Packers are
right there as one of the best teams, not only
in the NFC but in the league. This puts them
in the serious Super Bowl consideration. I had them in
my Tier two for Super Bowl contenders this week. They
clearly vault to one. I mean, I don't think people
realize just how good Micah Parsons is.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Okay, this move going from.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Dallas to Green Bay, I believe is bigger than the
Matt Stafford trade from a few years ago. When the
Rams got Matt Stafford, everybody was excited. Obviously it led
to a Super Bowl. But Michael Parsons is in his prime.
He's only played four seasons in the league. Matt Stafford
was thirty three, a little older. You know, the Christian
McCaffrey trade was big. Khalil Mack trade was big. This
is seismic. I mean, folks, Michael Parsons again, I know
(02:34):
he takes a lot of heat for inside the locker
room stuff his podcast. We will address that because it
bears some discussion. But let me just remind folks, Michah
Parsons in year one was runner up Defensive Player of
the Year. Okay, He's been an All Pro three times
in four years. He has twelve or more sacks in
every season he's played so far to start his career.
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It's not hyperbole to say Michael Parsons is already on
track to be a first ballot Hall of Famer after
four seasons. He's in the discussion with the likes of
Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, Miles Garrett as one of the
greatest pass rushers in NFL history after four years.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Now, we don't know what's.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Gonna happen, obviously, but Parsons is a terror coming off
the edge.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
And if you're the Green Bay Packers and you.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Look at your defensive roster and you're like, oh, we
got Gary, we got some good linebackers. We've got a
good team, which you didn't have with that blue chip superstar.
Where you go in the the divisional round of the
playoffs and the opponent looks at how we gonna how
we gonna block Michael Parsons? What are we gonna have
to adjust stuff? You have to scheme specifically for Parsons. Now,
teams have done that in the playoffs with some success.
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But you look at Gary coming off the other edge,
and this Green Bay defense suddenly is a wrecking crew.
And I would like to point out that their odds
after the draft to win the Super Bowl were plus
twenty two hundred. Okay, that was after the draft, and
I'll tell you why the draft is important. This morning
they went to plus twelve hundred. So right now the
Packers are right there, cream of the crop. They're in
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the Ravens Bills, Chiefs Niners. They're right there at the top.
And the draft is important because I missed this, and
I was kicking myself this morning for missing this. I
think everybody did. But at the draft, the Green Bay
Packers in the first round. We know what they don't
do in the first round, right They don't take wide receivers.
Aaron Rodgers bemoaned that fact. He openly was like, we
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don't draft receivers in the first round.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
We need one. I need some help.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Packers have a really good wide receiver room. It's deep,
it's young, it's talented. They got a lot of guys,
and they drafted a wide receiver in the first round.
I was like, oh, Matthew Golden. It's not like he's
Jeremiah Smith or something. Golden really nice player. He's like
five to eleven buck ninety. I know it's a burner,
but it was a mild surprise. They broke character at
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the draft getting Matthew Golden, and I should have noticed
at the time. But smart business his sometimes adapt and
change and say we've done things one way, we're going
to make an adjustment and we're going for Golden. Now,
their wide receiver room it doesn't have that high end
Jamar Chase, justin Jefferson. But in terms of depth and talent,
it's top four in the league. Golden is gonna be
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that guy. Get him on your fantasy team. Now you
add Michael Parsons a massive trade. What did we hear
from NFL pundits all week? Guys, Packers They're not gonna
get Michael Parsons.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
They don't do that. They don't make these huge, splashy trades.
Haven't done that forever.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Once again, the Packers break character, go out and get
a superstar, a blue chip.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
How do we stop that guy coming off the edge.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And I believe the green Bay Packers probably will be
in the NFC Championship Game. I I'll say likely against
the San Francisco forty nine ers. And then we get
the Trent Williams matchup against Michael Parsons, and, boy, green
Bay fans, you've got to be absolutely geeked. I got
a buddy who is Awaukee Brewers fan, and he's a
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Green Bay Packers fan, and he's doing cartwheels. He's like
Brewers baseball, Packers football.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
It's a great day in Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And by the way, for those who are saying, well,
Packer's overpaid, and we'll address it.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Jordan loves contract. They got him early.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Guys, he is only the thirteenth biggest cap hit at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
In the league. You want to take a guess who's
first this season, Dak Prescott biggest cap hit in the league.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And let's move to Dallas now and address that side
of the trade.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I want to start.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Positive because I want to ear Muffett Cowboys fans.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
This is going to be a little negative. So there's
this fun.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Exercise that I've been told to do. You know, you
turn thirty years old and you're supposed to look back
at your younger self and like write a little letter
and say, man, don't you wish you knew this at twenty?
And then you do it at you know, at thirty,
you're like, oh, man, in my twenties, relationship stuff, maybe
you're finding a potential mate, work, you're getting out of college,
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and stuff you could learn, and you give it to
your younger self and hand it down to your kids relatives.
So when you do it at forty, it's mostly about
you know, having kids, buying a house, that next step
of life. But when you read about this, the one
thing that it keeps coming back to is you need
to act with less emotion in relationships and work. Just
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chill out, calm down now, if you couldn't tell I
tend to get emotional sometimes specifically about sports, and I
think Jerry Jones got really emotional here and made a
horrific decision. Okay, if we're to believe Michael Parsons, who
told Jane Slater, by the way, she's going to be
coming up as a guest here in about thirty minutes.
(07:42):
He told Jane Slater that after news broke this week
that there were trade talks for Michael Parsons, Micah and
his agent who his agent's really good, went to the
Cowboys with quote empathy, and they wanted to get a
deal done, and allegedly, according to Michael Parsons, Jerry Owns
got very emotional and told Micah and his agent play
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on the fifth year or leave, folks. That is not
how you run a football team. That is amateur hour.
Amateurs act on emotion.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Pros. They look at the.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Numbers, and the numbers said, Jerry, you bungled this badly.
And for those out there who were screaming, Jay Mac,
wait a minute, they didn't overpay, and they got an
extra first.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Round pick, and they got Kenny Clark.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Kenny Clark ain't very good, but that's another story.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
The reason that this got this far was because Jerry
didn't do this last year.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
If he had.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Gone last year and said, you know what, we can't
afford Ceedee, Lamb, Dak and Micah, you.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Do this last year.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You could have made the deal last year and got
more for Michael Parsons.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Why wait so long?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I mean, at worst, if he had done this at
the beginning of the offseason, Jerry gets a bidding war
started among several teams. Now there's a report that the
Raiders had called, but they were late to the game.
I understand he's a billionaire, and I understand he's had success,
you know, thirty years ago with Jimmy Johnson winning a
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bunch of Super Bowls. But did Jerry just totally misplay
his hand here? Well, yeah, clearly he bungled this so badly.
Folks paying Dak and Lamb and knowing that you can't
pay Micah like you should have done this last year. Now,
Jerry Jones took went in front of media on Thursday
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after the trade and guys, he claims he's been thinking
about this trade for a long time.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
We did think it was in the best interest of
our organization, not only the future, but right now this
season as well. We've gained a Pro Bowl player in
an area that we had big concern in of concerns
in on the inside of our defense. The facts are, specifically,
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we need to stop the run and we haven't been
able to stop the run at key times for several years.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Boy, if I was allowed to use expletives on the show,
I would have come out of that quote and said,
what the are you talking about? We need to stop
the run? What kind of alternative universes? Jerry Jones livingan folks? Okay, fine,
you knew you needed to stop the run at the draft.
Let's take a look at the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Draft, shall we.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
They got an offensive lineman, an edge rusher, a quarterback,
a running back, a linebacker, an offensive lineman. Oh, they're
at pick two hundred and seventeen. Mister, we've got to
stop the run. You waited two hundred and seventeen picks
to get a defensive tackle? What like Jerry's saying stuff
(10:57):
that doesn't even make sense? Guys, I got a buddy
who's a Cowboys fan. His daughter plays on my daughter's
volleyball team. You know, we've known each other with coach
soccer together. He texted me, I'm literally crying right now.
After the trade, he was like, what are we doing?
And you know this isn't just Jerry screwing up the
Mica deal and then trying to lie to everyone's face,
(11:19):
Like what do they call that?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I think it's called gas lighting.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Hey, we knew we needed to stop the run, so
you know we added Kenny Clark.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Like, bro, come on, nobody's believing that.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
And oh, by the way, Jerry, how's the recent track
record of trades? Never what they got Mingo, the wide
receiver from the Carolina Panthers. Yeah, he's he's on ir
to start the season, and even when he returns, he's
looking at being the projected fourth or.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Fifth wide receiver on the roster. They gave up a.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Fourth round pick for Mingo, and uh, do you remember
Trey Lance? They thought Jerry thought he had a great
deal for Trey Lance. I mean, he gave up a
fourth round pick for Trey Lance, not on the roster
through a whopping Oh.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
He puts sorry, he played four games.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Trey Lance played four games after Jerry Jones traded for him.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I mean, does this guy even nobody's doing. One of the.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Producers here as I'm walking up to the set, goes Jay,
I had a good line when you left the morning meeting.
If Jerry Jones wore his shirt inside out to the
facility today, would anybody in Dallas have the cajones to
tell him, Hey, billionaire owner, boss, your shirt's inside out?
Because it feels like nobody is telling Jerry what he
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needs to hear. And the Cowboys right now are a disaster.
By the way, they're odds because I know you guys
love odds to win the Super Bowl sixty to one,
longest that they've been since twenty fourteen before the season.
That's according to ESPN. So the Cowboys are a launchhot.
They're probably gonna win five games. I know there's some
people out there who are like, hey, we got four
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first round picks now, Jay, in the next two years.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
We'll address that later.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Rachel and I have many layers to this story, so
be patient. It's the super terrific happy three hours of
Micah Parsons and the Green Bay Package Rachel, I'm fired up.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
If you couldn't tell, I'm a little evotionittle this is It's.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
An incredible story and not the way we thought this
was gonna end even. I mean, we talked about this
possibility of the packers trade all through yesterday's show, and
every single person we had on, including Greg Jennings, was like,
frame Bay doesn't do business this way.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Unbelievable turn of events. Coming up next Dallas. Forget about
Micah for a moment. Earlier this year, you guys traded Luca.
I mean, who's under fire more Nico or Jerry? Like
it's getting ugly in Dallas. That's next year.
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Speaker 3 (14:48):
We will talk about that a lot in this show.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Col McCoy's dropping by next hour, Cardale Jones, I just
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Speaker 3 (14:58):
Game in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
We'll address all that, but I want to go back
to a next layer to the Micah Parsons trade. And
Rachel pointed this out in the meeting this morning, so
It's been a rough eight nine months for the city
of Dallas. If you guys remember in February, out of
absolutely nowhere, Luka doncic I think it.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Was a Saturday night, Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Pacific time, What time, like eleven pm Pacific?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, it was. It was very late.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Luca gets traded from the Mavericks to the Lakers, and
it was like, oh my gosh. The internet like wobbled
like an earthquake at it, and everybody was shocked. MAVs
fans were crestfallen. They had just gone to the finals.
Everything's looking great. Luca, you know, was injured, but to
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trade him was like, what are we doing? And Nico
Harrison was under major fire. They lost a ton of
money because of I think sponsors backed.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Out season ticket hold. It was a mess.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Now, they did get lucky with Cooper Flag in the draft.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
So that has eased some of it.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
But for that to go down in February and now
in August, Michael Parsons the most popular cowboy I know,
Dak has been loved, but come on, guys, Michael Parsons
is the heartbeat of that team. To trade him, you
just have to wonder what the vibe is in Dallas.
Here's an old photo Michael Parsons and Luca swapping jerseys.
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By the way, Luca, for you guys don't know, he's huge.
Michael Parson's a monster. Luca towers over him.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
And I was thinking, like, growing up, my brother and
I we love like the Charlie Brown Christmas, Charlie Brown
Thanksgiving and the Peanuts, the whole saga where Lucy would
like tee up the football and Charlie Brown with It.
Feels like that has happened this year to Dallas. You
lose Luca, you lose Micah. How does how on earth
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does Dallas trade two tree and sending superstars?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I mean, guys, the parallels you are staggering.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Luca, given what he did in his first like five
years in the league, is on track to be a
top ten player all time. I don't care what you
think about Luca. He doesn't play defense, blah blah blah.
His numbers over the first five years are historic. Michael Parsons,
same damn thing. His numbers through four years are unbelievable.
That's why I said Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, and I'm
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sure when I go on social media later feel with me, love,
just stop putting him in that class. Actually know the
numbers show that he is on that track. Both of
these guys are first ballot Hall of Famers. Both were traded. Now, interestingly,
the MAVs didn't love Luca's conditioning. He was beloved by teammates.
They didn't love his conditioning. Micah's a little different because
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if you guys remember, DeMarcus Lawrence, a beloved cowboy defensive lineman,
got into a bit of a beef.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Online with Michah Parsons.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
And I asked this question because I don't think anybody
knows the answer, and we know what happens when superstars
get traded. Within the next seventy two hours ninety six week,
you start to see the hit pieces, and I am
pretty sure we're gonna see some.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Micah Parsons was a locker room distraction.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I mean, DeMarcus Lawrence called him out when he left
and was like, maybe if you stop tweeting and podcasting,
I'd still be here.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I was like, oh, whoa, that's a shot across the bow.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
And Jerry has made some veiled references to off the
field stuff with Parsons.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Nothing bad nothing awful, but just distracted.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Now.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I can't tell if this is the modern young athlete.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
You know, Caleb Williams built a little different at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Michaeh. Parsons has a podcast.
Speaker 10 (18:45):
Now.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I haven't seen a podcast episode drop regarding this trade.
I don't know if the Packers are like, bro, we
need you to dial that back. Remember, Aaron Rodgers is
getting paid to do radio hits.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Like.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
There's a lot of new.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Stuff going on, and I don't know if old school
guy Jerry Jones was really cool with this modern athlete
who was kind of sort of bigger than Jerry in
some ways.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
I mean, Michael would.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Drop a podcast and everybody's talking about him. Is there
a world where Jerry's saying, ain't nobody bigger than the
Cowboys brand or me?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I'm still the man here. Micah, thank you for your service.
You're out. Let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
No no, no.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
This is the Herd Line News, Jason.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
We got so much more Mica to come.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
But let's quickly check in on the Bengals. They've had Burrow, Chase,
and Higgins all available in training camp this preseason for
the first time in years, they're all healthy, and head
coach Zach Taylor is saying that's giving them confidence going
into the season.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Now, j MC, that's lovely.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
I'm listening to all of this, and all I can
think of is you were already the number one scoring
offense in the NFL last season, number one.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
So it's great that all these guys are healthy.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
I'm glad you're celebrating that training camp. But isn't it
the defense that we should be worried about? With the
Bengals ranked twenty fifth last season? I mean, are they
focusing on the wrong thing right now?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah? I would I would agree, but you know, if
you have to pick, you would rather be loaded on
offensive defense, right Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
But I'm saying they're saying, hey, this is the first
time in years we've been healthy. This is amazing. We
had a training camp last season where guys were just
coming back from injury or sitting out.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Okay, you know what that got.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
You the number one scoring offense in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, yeah, they're good.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, it's interesting. By the way, Bengals at Packers Week six,
that should.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Be a good one.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yeah, basically Michael Parson's chasing Joe burrowround.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
I was going to say, this train has turned so
many games into.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah, well I did a good one.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
But Week four is Micah Parsons against Dallas, not.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Just against Dallas in Dallallas.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Sunday Night football. That Yeah, that's a circle went on
the calendar. Let's get that September twenty eighth. Yeah, if
you got a.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Wedding to go to, sorry, make sure the photus charged.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah, of that kind of gain you go.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Let's talk a little ravens Lamar Jackson had an incredible
season last year, but he'd of course call it a
failure because it didn't end in a super Bowl. So
this year, he says he's trying to learn to be
more vocal, more of a leader. He has really been
on his receivers in practice when they drop passes, bait interceptions.
His quote was, I'm not angry at you or anything
like that, but when we're competing out here, I need
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you to be a competitor because I'm extremely competitive. I
don't like to lose, and you should feel the same way.
Now we know again, same as the Bagels.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Right.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Regular season Ravens regular season, Lamar good, he's good, doesn't
really need a lot of improvement there. But do you
think that this more aggressive attitude over the seventeen weeks
will translate into better playoff performances when it counts?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I'll lean yes, you want to work to build up
to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
But the bad thing is for these guys and the
Bills like, great, you win twelve games, wonderful?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Can you beat the Chiefs? Engineer? That's really what it's
I mean, I know that sounds bad, but would you
say that's the truth.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Oh, it's completely the truth. But if you're Lamar Jackson,
how do you prep for that? So if that's the
thing that people have been saying on you to you, yeah,
I can't get it done in the playoffs, right, That's
that's the only knock on him, because otherwise he's been phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
So how would you prep to do that better? Now?
For him? This is this is what he's trying.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, it's probably gonna be tough for him to stay
locked in the whole regular season knowing, hey, playoffs that's
what it's all about.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I did just look. Packers host the Ravens every week, seventeen.
Now it's flexible. So I'm gonna go ahead and.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Guess that's gonna be flex to probably Sunday night, right
ad time, that's gonna be in one amazing game boy
Michael Parsons gets to Chase Lamar Burrow.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Oh gosh, schedule that packer schedule.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Well, okay, it's not easy, that's for sure.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I will talk a little bit more
Michael Parsons. All right, so all of this situation you
talked about it at the top of the show, a
lot of spotlight on Jerry Jones as a GM. So
I wanted to look at how the lack of planning
by the Cowboys, how that's cost them.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
So first I'm want to look at the dollars.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Right Bill Barnwell of ESPN no analytics guru, he wrote,
I think it was like a ten thousand word piece
breaking down every moment that the Cowboys could have extended
them these guys, what the market was at the time.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
These are his calculations.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
If they first extended DAK when they could have over
both of the contracts he signed, they would have saved
forty nine million dollars. If they first extended CD Lamb
when they had the opportunity and what the market was,
they would have saved fourteen million dollars.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
And if he had.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Extended Michael last year when he did the Dack and
CD the deals, remember he said.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
We'll worry about him next year. I worry about him
next year.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
He could have saved thirty six million dollars, less than
what Micah eventually signed for in Bay. So that's just
the money, by the way, and that all lads up
to about ninety nine million dollars you could have been
paying other players.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
And then of course you brought it up.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
When do you put if you say, oh, well, we're
here now and Michael Parsons, we need to trade him.
If you had put him up for trade in the spring,
you could have gotten him out of the conference. Do
you think that the Bills would have given you for
Mike Parsons? What do you think the Bengals would have
given you for Micah Parsons? You brought up the Raiders right,
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the trade package. Even if you stayed in the conference,
the Packers would have been forced to give you more.
So just the opportunity cost at not making these plans
for Jerry as a GM has to be part of
this conversation because it's part.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Of what got us here with this trade.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I look forward to reading that.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
It's just bad business, right, there's no way around that.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
And I know and listen, I like.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
So, I don't know how much I've told you about myself,
but I wanted to be a lawyer when I was
a young kid.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
So I like to argue both sides.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
And sometimes I'll argue against Micah and then you know,
sometimes I'll argue for I don't think there's any other
side to this trade, at least right now.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
You know, if they get I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Tease the arch band to go, they get arch Mand
and he's a superstar, they trade up.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
That changes the thing.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
But right now, like, could you what's a real argument, Rachel,
right now that this was an okay deal?
Speaker 6 (25:28):
I mean, the argument to me is just that they
were in this position in the first place, is say,
gross mismanagement. I remember two years ago sitting on the
set right across the stage over here talking about how
they had coming up the DAK deal, the CD deal,
the Parsons deal.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Right we knew it FS one, we were talking about it.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
They didn't plan for that because if you were staring
down the barrel of those three guys needing to get paid,
and you just decided roster construction wise, it's just not
a good idea for us to put this much money
into three players to me, and this is no disrespect.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
To ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
I'm paying and keeping the two guys who affect every
snap of the ball on their side, the pass rusher
and the quarterback affect every snap of the ball CD.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
I mean, sure he's a decoy out there or drawing
a defense when he's not catching, but he's averaging seven.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
I think catches a game, So that affects such a
smaller percentage of your game, of your place. Like I
just the decision.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
Making and forethought here over and over and over again,
even just to get us to yesterday, is something I
don't think we're talking about enough.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Did you see that Venus Williams and Serena Williams movie
with Will Smith?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah, Williams sisters. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
He I'm pretty sure that was the movie where he
had this great quote, if you.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Don't have a plan, plan to fail. Yeah, And it
feels like Jerry did not have a plan.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
He was just kind of winging it to Rachel, we
can't have much money.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Law I knew, all right, So Rachel, we have a
treat here. So Jerry spoke yesterday and it was kind
of chaotic. I did not see this quote, but the
staff just showed it to me. Here is Jerry Jones
being asked, Hey, man, you said a few months ago
you would never trade Micah Parsons.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
What changed you were never considering trading Michael Parsons.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
Was that a tactic at the moment or did your
tune eventually change in the LATK Do.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
You really think if I wanted someone to be interested
in him that I would say, oh, I'm going to trade.
It's the opposite. It's the opposite.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
For DJs five D I don't guys, I'm sorry. Just
think about it, guys. Can we just have the Can
we just play? I don't know ifink you just played
the end of it.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
But when he looks, he's like, do you think I
really it's the opit? Like, listen, I know bad ownership
as a Jets fan. Woody Johnson is, for my money,
the worst owner. And I don't see how Jerry's like
right there with him after this debacle. I mean, it's
unbelievab All right, Coming up next, Jane Slater, NFL Network,
She spoke to Micah.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
First person to speak to Micah.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
She's got all the details that's coming up next year
on the Herd.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noone Easter, not a Empacific.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
All right, James Slater, NFL Network, Coming right up real quick.
Maybe I should stop bashing Jerry Jones and just thank him.
He's the gift that keeps on giving folks. He just
keeps opening his mouth at the podium and saying things.
And I know I used the term gaslight earlier and
I hate somebody used it on me and it really
annoyed me.
Speaker 11 (28:40):
But I feel like, if you're a Cowboys fan and
you hear this stuff, you just got to be like, bro,
come on, just stop running the team. You don't even
know what you're talking about. This was Jerry Yesterday, Okay,
frame of mind.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Jerry Yesterday on what he first thought about a Micah
Parson's trade.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
There was no question in our mind that Michael could
bring us a lot of resources on a trade that
has been on my mind since have we hired Brian.
This trade was not just thought about today. This trade
has been going on in our minds and our strategies
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and being talked about. It's been going on all spring.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
It culminated today and it came quick, but that's the
way things go.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
All spirit Really okay, I'm really happy for you, Jerry.
I mean, honestly, it seems like you seem like you
won this deal. You're really trying to sell a really hard.
It's like, you know, your your buddy starts dating a
new girl, and then he introduces her to the crew
and you guys hang out one night and pretty much
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the cruise universally like, yeah, I know she's not that fun,
probably not a good but guys, she's so cool and
smart and hot and like, she's awesome, trust me. But
everybody meets and I don't think it's a good fit.
But he's really trying to sell his crew on this
new girlfriend. And I feel like Jerry's trying to sell
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the fan base. Hey, we got a good deal here,
all right. Let's bring in Jane Slater from the NFL Network.
She spoke to Michah Parsons yesterday Jane in her car. Jane,
I imagine you've been on your phone basically all night.
This is crazy, chaotic. Just give us the latest.
Speaker 10 (30:38):
Yeah, normally this wouldn't be my setup for you, Jason,
but I am actually here at the Star in Frisco
where Kenny Clark just got here.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
So we're going to get to meet him.
Speaker 10 (30:46):
We'll see him at practice for the first time, and
then they'll open up the locker room and we will
get their reaction to trading. What we all know is
to be a generational player, one of their biggest guide
on defense, and a trade they got them to first
round picks and the defensive tackle to help them stop
the run. Jason, I don't fill the need to be
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sold by Jerry Jones on why they traded him. Covering
this team, I can tell you that he had gotten
to a point here within the last seventy two hours.
This was really the only direction they could go. It
got so messy what he has to sell me on
and what he still has to.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Sell a lot of.
Speaker 10 (31:25):
Us covering the beat and that locker room is why
they did it the week before the season started. Why
they justified the trade because they needed to address their
run defense, something they could have addressed along with the
trade back at the end of March first of April.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Wow, I could not have said it better, James later
the Insiders on NFL Networks seven o'clock Eastern. All right, Jane,
so I'm just curious your initial reaction.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Like you said, this has been building. But still, you know,
the Packers haven't done a huge deal like this in
a while.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
It's Micah did. When you first got word, were you
just absolutely floored.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Jerry doesn't do big deals like this.
Speaker 10 (32:10):
You'd have to go all the way back to the
herschel Walker trade. And look, some people have joked out
there that maybe watching the Gambler inspired him to go
out there and wheel and deal. But the truth of
it is the building one here. Starting about two years ago,
we started hearing frustrations within the locker room. And when
I say frustrations, I don't want to sit here and
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say that Micah Parsons is a problem player. He certainly
doesn't have problems off the field. It's more of In
talking to former coaches, one of the concerns was does
he love football or he does he love the idea
of being a football player that gets the accolades, then
gets the camera and the podcast, and there would be
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frustration when they were in meeting rooms and he would
drift in and out. I would just gribe it as
just a real he needs a coaching staff that's really
going to dive in and invest in him.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
We saw that with Dan Quinn.
Speaker 10 (33:10):
We saw Mike Zimmer sort of buy in as much
as he could, you know, last year. But he's that
type of player that just requires a lot of buy
in and attention, and I think it started to wear
on the locker room.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Let me change that.
Speaker 10 (33:25):
I know it wore on the locker room because in
talking to previous coaching staffs in exit interviews, there were
a number of players who came to them and said,
we have to do something about Micah. And now I've
argued it feels like they have a higher tolerance for
off the field issues, and so that's frustrating. But the
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way that Jerry held his feet to the fire, a
twenty six year old negotiating a monster deal for the
first time, and because he wanted to rope in his agent,
and Jerry sat there and said he did want to
get a third person involved. He didn't want to renegotiate
this thing. That's the thing I continue to have a
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problem with. I don't he's talked to players in the past.
It's just I think Micah got in a little over
his skis here. He thought, because of his relationship with
Jerry that they could work it out. But I think
this was a little in over his head, and I
don't think it's fair that he was punished because of that,
or that they let it linger. As long as they
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did that, to me, is what hurt their team. I
think you could have sold a lot of us around
here on the trade in March April. It's just when
they did this. I think the catalyst was some of
the defensive moves from Mike and his agent this week
looking for a second opinion on the back, and then
the filing of grievances. I think the buildings started asking themselves,
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is he even going to be available to us? Is
this going to be something that lnkers and becomes a
distraction heading into the season. Remember we had Mike McCarthy
and his coaching staff on expiring deals last year and
that really did weigh heavy on the locker room. Everyone's
energy and their approach talking to people yesterday, it feels
like this gives them a little bit of a clean slate.
(35:14):
I think everyone's disappointed. They're as shocked as we are
that this is where it got. But I think people realize,
especially with the training table incident on Friday, where he
was laying on the table watching the game. It was brief,
but it was that body language that they don't want
from a leader and they certainly don't want to invest
in for years to come.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Wow, that is explosive stuff, Jane Slater, amazing. Let me
ask you who was the leader on that team and
did they try to talk to Michael Parsons Because we
know DeMarcus Lawrence and he had some words on social media.
But I'm just curious if anybody in the building tried
to get through to him during these defensive meetings where
he's doing whatever or not locked in.
Speaker 10 (35:55):
Possibly, And we'll be in the locker room today when
can ask about that. What I will say about my
comparisons and what I appreciate about him. He reminds me
of some of the nineties players. Jay said, you know
the guys that have a rawness. You can't tell him nothing.
I remember he was sending out a bunch of tweets
his rookie season, and it was, you know, getting.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Involved in military and politics.
Speaker 10 (36:17):
I was like, you might want to be careful, and
he just stood on business. And when we asked him,
I think it was last year in the locker room
point Milke, I said, why aren't you here for voluntary OTAs.
A lot of the guys live in the area. They
have a really high turnout.
Speaker 8 (36:32):
You know.
Speaker 10 (36:33):
I know it's voluntary, but if you talk to a
lot of players, that's how they gel, et cetera. And
he said into the camera with his chest, I don't
get paid the sort of money some people do to
show up here and be at voluntary OTAs. I'm here
at when I'm supposed to be. So it's it was
those little things that I think we're frustrating, but I'm
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personally going to miss his rawness, his conviction, and you
saw it here. Think I've ever seen a player stand
toe to toe with Jerry Jones the way that he did.
I mean the fact he walked in a letter to
Steven Jones, looked him in the eye and said I
want the trade, and then showed up every single day
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to training camp while Jerry's up in his tower and
he's there on the sidelines, jersey over his shoulder some days,
a hoodie a beanie on dealing with the Jones is
that takes a stomach. And that's why I say he
is a different dude. So I'm sure there were people
that likely spoke with Micah. But the problem is Micah
literally will hear you, He'll receive it. Do you think
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he gets it other than it's you know again, I
just I don't think he's easily focused. Sometimes I think
he's a type of guy you've got to keep stimulating.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Oh boy, sounds like a bit of a headache for
the Packers defensive coordinator, but also a headache for opposing quarterbacks.
Let me just one last question on that, like, do
you think this is just the modern young athlete? Is
this him coming up in the nisle? This is just
who he is? Because you know, we've heard stories about
other guys. Trevor Lawrence. Does he love football? Like Mike
has got a pretty thriving podcast, He's obviously huge on
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social media.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Do you think he loves football?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I do?
Speaker 10 (38:14):
I mean when you listen to him on his podcast,
he knows a lot about it. He's interested and he's interesting.
I even hate to call him. That's why I haven't
called him a problem player. I don't think he's a
problem player. I just think he needs a better fit.
And I truly think. You know, when we've had players
come here from different teams, they'll say this is playoff media.
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You should see the amount of credential media that are
here today, and this is just every single day. And
I think when you're constantly putting a mic in people's faces,
I think this generation does get something from the clicks.
I think this generation does get something from the likes.
And so I don't think this is unique to Micah.
But I will say if I'm Micah Parsons frustrated, you know,
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there's plenty of guys in my draft class that who've
gotten extensions. I am a generational type player. Other pass
rushers got their money. And I think he just felt
I know this. I'll say this, he felt manipulated and
taken advantage of at some point. And you know the
fact that he came back this week and tried to
get something done and Jerry told him to play on
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the fifth year option or leave. It just tells you
where this thing had devolved, and I think that's unfortunate.
It feels after watching The Gambler a little bit like
the Jerry Jimmy dynamic. You know, they they appreciate each other.
Maybe one day they'll get past this. But I ultimately
think Jerry sort of met his match here and a
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guy that was unafraid moving away, that was different than
other players who have standoffs with the Joneses, but also
believes in himself enough and his talent that somebody was
going to pay him what he was asking.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
All Right, we got about two minutes left.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Do you think we'll see a slew of hit pieces
here in the next I don't know, week leading up
to Week one? Wow, Michael Parsons, you know he was
a problem. He did this, he did that. Are we
going to see that? Is stuff gonna come out?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Or do you think there's just not that much ammo there?
Speaker 10 (40:13):
I don't think there's enough animal. I think what I'm
telling you is enough of it. You know, I think
we've been we've been We've been sprinkling this as we've
talked about this over the last six months. You know,
it was talked about in the building under you know,
different coaching staffs, et cetera. And I think he especially
when you cover a beat, you don't want to create
(40:34):
unnecessary problems in the locker room. And so I always
kind of looked at it Ash. You know, it's different opinions.
There are big personalities in Dallas. I never thought it
rose to the we've got a cancer in the locker room.
That's not how I would describe my guide. So if
those pieces come out, I don't think that. I don't
think that would be fair, and so I hope that's
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not the case. You know, I think that Kareem Bay
is going to be a really good fit for him.
I think going to a place where he's got a
familiarity with the quarterback, there's less scrutiny, and I think
he can get back to just focusing on football. I
think that'll be a good thing for him.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Take Jane Slater, NFL Network catcher on The Insiders weeknights
at seven Eastern on NFL Network. Great stuff, Jane, enjoy
the media crush today and thanks for taking the time.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, boy, Jane Slader, great stuff, Rachel. That was I
thought that was explosive. Some of the stuff. Shit whoooo.
I think we would be playing those clips here in
the coming hours.
Speaker 6 (41:35):
Further evidence that maybe they should have done this this spring, right,
Jerry Botch, I mean.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
If this is if this is going.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
On, yeah, yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
We got a great show. This is fun. Two more
hours left.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
My college football picks for Week one. That's next year
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Good morning, Los Angeles. It's me Jason McIntyre here on
the Herd. Happy afternoon to the East Coast folks. It's Friday.
It is a beautiful day of culmination.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
To a spectacular week. Listen.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Rachel Nichols and I have had a banger of a
week hosting this show. I mean, listen, we had the
Taylor Swift no days at.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
A helm, they engagement, no day's off, you know every day.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I'm looking at my notes here.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I angered the Chicago Bears fan base with this. Caleb
williamsuff I'm just hoping Rachel, we can close with and
it's some.
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Speaker 2 (01:03):
We were gifted basically, I mean the gift that keeps
on giving.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Like this is amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Michael Parsons traded by the Cowboys would have happened like
two hours after our show.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
And I walked into the morning meeting and I said,
are we gonna just do three hours on Michael Parsons?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
We could?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Cowherd texted me that should be the entire show. I
was like, yes, sir, not to yes, sir, Coward will
be back next week.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
But let's start there. Let's start with the.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Green Bay Packers basically putting on ski masks, going into
Dallas and stealing Michael Parsons from the Cowboys for peanuts.
I cannot believe that this trade happened. I think obviously
green Bay won the trade. There's many angles to break
down here. I'm gonna go with the Packers angle first
because I do think and I haven't seen a lot
(01:48):
of other takes on this, I think the Packers are
right there as one of the best teams, not only
in the NFC but in the league. This puts them
in the serious Super Bowl consideration. I had them in
my Tier two for Super Bowl contenders this week. They
clearly vault to one. I mean, I don't think people
realize just how good Micah Parsons is.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Okay, this move going from.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Dallas to Green Bay, I believe is bigger than the
Matt Stafford trade from a few years ago. When the
Rams got Matt Stafford, everybody was excited. Obviously it led
to a Super Bowl. But Michael Parsons is in his prime.
He's only played four seasons in the league. Matt Stafford
was thirty three, a little older. You know, the Christian
McCaffrey trade was big. Khalil Mack trade was big. This
is seismic. I mean, folks, Michael Parsons again, I know
(02:34):
he takes a lot of heat for inside the locker
room stuff his podcast. We will address that because it
bears some discussion. But let me just remind folks, Michah
Parsons in year one was runner up Defensive Player of
the Year. Okay, He's been an All Pro three times
in four years. He has twelve or more sacks in
every season he's played so far to start his career.
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It's not hyperbole to say Michael Parsons is already on
track to be a first ballot Hall of Famer after
four seasons. He's in the discussion with the likes of
Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, Miles Garrett as one of the
greatest pass rushers in NFL history after four years.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Now, we don't know what's.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Gonna happen, obviously, but Parsons is a terror coming off
the edge.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
And if you're the Green Bay Packers and you.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Look at your defensive roster and you're like, oh, we
got Gary, we got some good linebackers. We've got a
good team, which you didn't have with that blue chip superstar.
Where you go in the the divisional round of the
playoffs and the opponent looks at how we gonna how
we gonna block Michael Parsons? What are we gonna have
to adjust stuff? You have to scheme specifically for Parsons. Now,
teams have done that in the playoffs with some success.
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But you look at Gary coming off the other edge,
and this Green Bay defense suddenly is a wrecking crew.
And I would like to point out that their odds
after the draft to win the Super Bowl were plus
twenty two hundred. Okay, that was after the draft, and
I'll tell you why the draft is important. This morning
they went to plus twelve hundred. So right now the
Packers are right there, cream of the crop. They're in
(04:08):
the Ravens Bills, Chiefs Niners. They're right there at the top.
And the draft is important because I missed this, and
I was kicking myself this morning for missing this. I
think everybody did. But at the draft, the Green Bay
Packers in the first round. We know what they don't
do in the first round, right They don't take wide receivers.
Aaron Rodgers bemoaned that fact. He openly was like, we
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don't draft receivers in the first round.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
We need one. I need some help.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Packers have a really good wide receiver room. It's deep,
it's young, it's talented. They got a lot of guys,
and they drafted a wide receiver in the first round.
I was like, oh, Matthew Golden. It's not like he's
Jeremiah Smith or something. Golden really nice player. He's like
five to eleven buck ninety. I know it's a burner,
but it was a mild surprise. They broke character at
(04:55):
the draft getting Matthew Golden, and I should have noticed
at the time. But smart business his sometimes adapt and
change and say we've done things one way, we're going
to make an adjustment and we're going for Golden. Now,
their wide receiver room it doesn't have that high end
Jamar Chase, justin Jefferson. But in terms of depth and talent,
it's top four in the league. Golden is gonna be
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that guy. Get him on your fantasy team. Now you
add Michael Parsons a massive trade. What did we hear
from NFL pundits all week? Guys, Packers They're not gonna
get Michael Parsons.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
They don't do that. They don't make these huge, splashy trades.
Haven't done that forever.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Once again, the Packers break character, go out and get
a superstar, a blue chip.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
How do we stop that guy coming off the edge.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And I believe the green Bay Packers probably will be
in the NFC Championship Game. I I'll say likely against
the San Francisco forty nine ers. And then we get
the Trent Williams matchup against Michael Parsons, and, boy, green
Bay fans, you've got to be absolutely geeked. I got
a buddy who is Awaukee Brewers fan, and he's a
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Green Bay Packers fan, and he's doing cartwheels. He's like
Brewers baseball, Packers football.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
It's a great day in Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And by the way, for those who are saying, well,
Packer's overpaid, and we'll address it.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Jordan loves contract. They got him early.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Guys, he is only the thirteenth biggest cap hit at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
In the league. You want to take a guess who's
first this season, Dak Prescott biggest cap hit in the league.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And let's move to Dallas now and address that side
of the trade.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I want to start.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Positive because I want to ear Muffett Cowboys fans.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
This is going to be a little negative. So there's
this fun.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Exercise that I've been told to do. You know, you
turn thirty years old and you're supposed to look back
at your younger self and like write a little letter
and say, man, don't you wish you knew this at twenty?
And then you do it at you know, at thirty,
you're like, oh, man, in my twenties, relationship stuff, maybe
you're finding a potential mate, work, you're getting out of college,
(06:59):
and stuff you could learn, and you give it to
your younger self and hand it down to your kids relatives.
So when you do it at forty, it's mostly about
you know, having kids, buying a house, that next step
of life. But when you read about this, the one
thing that it keeps coming back to is you need
to act with less emotion in relationships and work. Just
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chill out, calm down now, if you couldn't tell I
tend to get emotional sometimes specifically about sports, and I
think Jerry Jones got really emotional here and made a
horrific decision. Okay, if we're to believe Michael Parsons, who
told Jane Slater, by the way, she's going to be
coming up as a guest here in about thirty minutes.
(07:42):
He told Jane Slater that after news broke this week
that there were trade talks for Michael Parsons, Micah and
his agent who his agent's really good, went to the
Cowboys with quote empathy, and they wanted to get a
deal done, and allegedly, according to Michael Parsons, Jerry Owns
got very emotional and told Micah and his agent play
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on the fifth year or leave, folks. That is not
how you run a football team. That is amateur hour.
Amateurs act on emotion.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Pros. They look at the.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Numbers, and the numbers said, Jerry, you bungled this badly.
And for those out there who were screaming, Jay Mac,
wait a minute, they didn't overpay, and they got an
extra first.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Round pick, and they got Kenny Clark.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Kenny Clark ain't very good, but that's another story.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
The reason that this got this far was because Jerry
didn't do this last year.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
If he had.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Gone last year and said, you know what, we can't
afford Ceedee, Lamb, Dak and Micah, you.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Do this last year.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You could have made the deal last year and got
more for Michael Parsons.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Why wait so long?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I mean, at worst, if he had done this at
the beginning of the offseason, Jerry gets a bidding war
started among several teams. Now there's a report that the
Raiders had called, but they were late to the game.
I understand he's a billionaire, and I understand he's had success,
you know, thirty years ago with Jimmy Johnson winning a
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bunch of Super Bowls. But did Jerry just totally misplay
his hand here? Well, yeah, clearly he bungled this so badly.
Folks paying Dak and Lamb and knowing that you can't
pay Micah like you should have done this last year. Now,
Jerry Jones took went in front of media on Thursday
(09:37):
after the trade and guys, he claims he's been thinking
about this trade for a long time.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
We did think it was in the best interest of
our organization, not only the future, but right now this
season as well. We've gained a Pro Bowl player in
an area that we had big concern in of concerns
in on the inside of our defense. The facts are, specifically,
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we need to stop the run and we haven't been
able to stop the run at key times for several years.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Boy, if I was allowed to use expletives on the show,
I would have come out of that quote and said,
what the are you talking about? We need to stop
the run? What kind of alternative universes? Jerry Jones livingan folks? Okay, fine,
you knew you needed to stop the run at the draft.
Let's take a look at the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Draft, shall we.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
They got an offensive lineman, an edge rusher, a quarterback,
a running back, a linebacker, an offensive lineman. Oh, they're
at pick two hundred and seventeen. Mister, we've got to
stop the run. You waited two hundred and seventeen picks
to get a defensive tackle? What like Jerry's saying stuff
(10:57):
that doesn't even make sense? Guys, I got a buddy
who's a Cowboys fan. His daughter plays on my daughter's
volleyball team. You know, we've known each other with coach
soccer together. He texted me, I'm literally crying right now.
After the trade, he was like, what are we doing?
And you know this isn't just Jerry screwing up the
Mica deal and then trying to lie to everyone's face,
(11:19):
Like what do they call that?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I think it's called gas lighting.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Hey, we knew we needed to stop the run, so
you know we added Kenny Clark.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Like, bro, come on, nobody's believing that.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
And oh, by the way, Jerry, how's the recent track
record of trades? Never what they got Mingo, the wide
receiver from the Carolina Panthers. Yeah, he's he's on ir
to start the season, and even when he returns, he's
looking at being the projected fourth or.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Fifth wide receiver on the roster. They gave up a.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Fourth round pick for Mingo, and uh, do you remember
Trey Lance? They thought Jerry thought he had a great
deal for Trey Lance. I mean, he gave up a
fourth round pick for Trey Lance, not on the roster
through a whopping Oh.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
He puts sorry, he played four games.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Trey Lance played four games after Jerry Jones traded for him.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I mean, does this guy even nobody's doing. One of the.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Producers here as I'm walking up to the set, goes Jay,
I had a good line when you left the morning meeting.
If Jerry Jones wore his shirt inside out to the
facility today, would anybody in Dallas have the cajones to
tell him, Hey, billionaire owner, boss, your shirt's inside out?
Because it feels like nobody is telling Jerry what he
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needs to hear. And the Cowboys right now are a disaster.
By the way, they're odds because I know you guys
love odds to win the Super Bowl sixty to one,
longest that they've been since twenty fourteen before the season.
That's according to ESPN. So the Cowboys are a launchhot.
They're probably gonna win five games. I know there's some
people out there who are like, hey, we got four
(12:52):
first round picks now, Jay, in the next two years.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
We'll address that later.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Rachel and I have many layers to this story, so
be patient. It's the super terrific happy three hours of
Micah Parsons and the Green Bay Package Rachel, I'm fired up.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
If you couldn't tell, I'm a little evotionittle this is It's.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
An incredible story and not the way we thought this
was gonna end even. I mean, we talked about this
possibility of the packers trade all through yesterday's show, and
every single person we had on, including Greg Jennings, was like,
frame Bay doesn't do business this way.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Unbelievable turn of events. Coming up next Dallas. Forget about
Micah for a moment. Earlier this year, you guys traded Luca.
I mean, who's under fire more Nico or Jerry? Like
it's getting ugly in Dallas. That's next year.
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Speaker 3 (14:48):
We will talk about that a lot in this show.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Col McCoy's dropping by next hour, Cardale Jones, I just
got a text about a humongous bet made on the.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Game in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
We'll address all that, but I want to go back
to a next layer to the Micah Parsons trade. And
Rachel pointed this out in the meeting this morning, so
It's been a rough eight nine months for the city
of Dallas. If you guys remember in February, out of
absolutely nowhere, Luka doncic I think it.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Was a Saturday night, Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Pacific time, What time, like eleven pm Pacific?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, it was. It was very late.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Luca gets traded from the Mavericks to the Lakers, and
it was like, oh my gosh. The internet like wobbled
like an earthquake at it, and everybody was shocked. MAVs
fans were crestfallen. They had just gone to the finals.
Everything's looking great. Luca, you know, was injured, but to
(15:50):
trade him was like, what are we doing? And Nico
Harrison was under major fire. They lost a ton of
money because of I think sponsors backed.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Out season ticket hold. It was a mess.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Now, they did get lucky with Cooper Flag in the draft.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
So that has eased some of it.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
But for that to go down in February and now
in August, Michael Parsons the most popular cowboy I know,
Dak has been loved, but come on, guys, Michael Parsons
is the heartbeat of that team. To trade him, you
just have to wonder what the vibe is in Dallas.
Here's an old photo Michael Parsons and Luca swapping jerseys.
(16:27):
By the way, Luca, for you guys don't know, he's huge.
Michael Parson's a monster. Luca towers over him.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
And I was thinking, like, growing up, my brother and
I we love like the Charlie Brown Christmas, Charlie Brown
Thanksgiving and the Peanuts, the whole saga where Lucy would
like tee up the football and Charlie Brown with It.
Feels like that has happened this year to Dallas. You
lose Luca, you lose Micah. How does how on earth
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does Dallas trade two tree and sending superstars?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I mean, guys, the parallels you are staggering.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Luca, given what he did in his first like five
years in the league, is on track to be a
top ten player all time. I don't care what you
think about Luca. He doesn't play defense, blah blah blah.
His numbers over the first five years are historic. Michael Parsons,
same damn thing. His numbers through four years are unbelievable.
That's why I said Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, and I'm
(17:25):
sure when I go on social media later feel with me, love,
just stop putting him in that class. Actually know the
numbers show that he is on that track. Both of
these guys are first ballot Hall of Famers. Both were traded. Now, interestingly,
the MAVs didn't love Luca's conditioning. He was beloved by teammates.
They didn't love his conditioning. Micah's a little different because
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if you guys remember, DeMarcus Lawrence, a beloved cowboy defensive lineman,
got into a bit of a beef.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Online with Michah Parsons.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
And I asked this question because I don't think anybody
knows the answer, and we know what happens when superstars
get traded. Within the next seventy two hours ninety six week,
you start to see the hit pieces, and I am
pretty sure we're gonna see some.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Micah Parsons was a locker room distraction.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I mean, DeMarcus Lawrence called him out when he left
and was like, maybe if you stop tweeting and podcasting,
I'd still be here.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I was like, oh, whoa, that's a shot across the bow.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
And Jerry has made some veiled references to off the
field stuff with Parsons.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Nothing bad nothing awful, but just distracted.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Now.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I can't tell if this is the modern young athlete.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
You know, Caleb Williams built a little different at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Michaeh. Parsons has a podcast.
Speaker 10 (18:45):
Now.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I haven't seen a podcast episode drop regarding this trade.
I don't know if the Packers are like, bro, we
need you to dial that back. Remember, Aaron Rodgers is
getting paid to do radio hits.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Like.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
There's a lot of new.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Stuff going on, and I don't know if old school
guy Jerry Jones was really cool with this modern athlete
who was kind of sort of bigger than Jerry in
some ways.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
I mean, Michael would.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Drop a podcast and everybody's talking about him. Is there
a world where Jerry's saying, ain't nobody bigger than the
Cowboys brand or me?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I'm still the man here. Micah, thank you for your service.
You're out. Let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
No no, no.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
This is the Herd Line News, Jason.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
We got so much more Mica to come.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
But let's quickly check in on the Bengals. They've had Burrow, Chase,
and Higgins all available in training camp this preseason for
the first time in years, they're all healthy, and head
coach Zach Taylor is saying that's giving them confidence going
into the season.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Now, j MC, that's lovely.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
I'm listening to all of this, and all I can
think of is you were already the number one scoring
offense in the NFL last season, number one.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
So it's great that all these guys are healthy.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
I'm glad you're celebrating that training camp. But isn't it
the defense that we should be worried about? With the
Bengals ranked twenty fifth last season? I mean, are they
focusing on the wrong thing right now?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah? I would I would agree, but you know, if
you have to pick, you would rather be loaded on
offensive defense, right Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
But I'm saying they're saying, hey, this is the first
time in years we've been healthy. This is amazing. We
had a training camp last season where guys were just
coming back from injury or sitting out.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Okay, you know what that got.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
You the number one scoring offense in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, yeah, they're good.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, it's interesting. By the way, Bengals at Packers Week six,
that should.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Be a good one.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yeah, basically Michael Parson's chasing Joe burrowround.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
I was going to say, this train has turned so
many games into.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah, well I did a good one.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
But Week four is Micah Parsons against Dallas, not.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Just against Dallas in Dallallas.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Sunday Night football. That Yeah, that's a circle went on
the calendar. Let's get that September twenty eighth. Yeah, if
you got a.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Wedding to go to, sorry, make sure the photus charged.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah, of that kind of gain you go.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Let's talk a little ravens Lamar Jackson had an incredible
season last year, but he'd of course call it a
failure because it didn't end in a super Bowl. So
this year, he says he's trying to learn to be
more vocal, more of a leader. He has really been
on his receivers in practice when they drop passes, bait interceptions.
His quote was, I'm not angry at you or anything
like that, but when we're competing out here, I need
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you to be a competitor because I'm extremely competitive. I
don't like to lose, and you should feel the same way.
Now we know again, same as the Bagels.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Right.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Regular season Ravens regular season, Lamar good, he's good, doesn't
really need a lot of improvement there. But do you
think that this more aggressive attitude over the seventeen weeks
will translate into better playoff performances when it counts?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I'll lean yes, you want to work to build up
to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
But the bad thing is for these guys and the
Bills like, great, you win twelve games, wonderful?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Can you beat the Chiefs? Engineer? That's really what it's
I mean, I know that sounds bad, but would you
say that's the truth.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Oh, it's completely the truth. But if you're Lamar Jackson,
how do you prep for that? So if that's the
thing that people have been saying on you to you, yeah,
I can't get it done in the playoffs, right, That's
that's the only knock on him, because otherwise he's been phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
So how would you prep to do that better? Now?
For him? This is this is what he's trying.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, it's probably gonna be tough for him to stay
locked in the whole regular season knowing, hey, playoffs that's
what it's all about.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I did just look. Packers host the Ravens every week, seventeen.
Now it's flexible. So I'm gonna go ahead and.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Guess that's gonna be flex to probably Sunday night, right
ad time, that's gonna be in one amazing game boy
Michael Parsons gets to Chase Lamar Burrow.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Oh gosh, schedule that packer schedule.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Well, okay, it's not easy, that's for sure.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I will talk a little bit more
Michael Parsons. All right, so all of this situation you
talked about it at the top of the show, a
lot of spotlight on Jerry Jones as a GM. So
I wanted to look at how the lack of planning
by the Cowboys, how that's cost them.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
So first I'm want to look at the dollars.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Right Bill Barnwell of ESPN no analytics guru, he wrote,
I think it was like a ten thousand word piece
breaking down every moment that the Cowboys could have extended
them these guys, what the market was at the time.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
These are his calculations.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
If they first extended DAK when they could have over
both of the contracts he signed, they would have saved
forty nine million dollars. If they first extended CD Lamb
when they had the opportunity and what the market was,
they would have saved fourteen million dollars.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
And if he had.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Extended Michael last year when he did the Dack and
CD the deals, remember he said.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
We'll worry about him next year. I worry about him
next year.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
He could have saved thirty six million dollars, less than
what Micah eventually signed for in Bay. So that's just
the money, by the way, and that all lads up
to about ninety nine million dollars you could have been
paying other players.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
And then of course you brought it up.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
When do you put if you say, oh, well, we're
here now and Michael Parsons, we need to trade him.
If you had put him up for trade in the spring,
you could have gotten him out of the conference. Do
you think that the Bills would have given you for
Mike Parsons? What do you think the Bengals would have
given you for Micah Parsons? You brought up the Raiders right,
(24:34):
the trade package. Even if you stayed in the conference,
the Packers would have been forced to give you more.
So just the opportunity cost at not making these plans
for Jerry as a GM has to be part of
this conversation because it's part.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Of what got us here with this trade.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I look forward to reading that.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
It's just bad business, right, there's no way around that.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
And I know and listen, I like.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
So, I don't know how much I've told you about myself,
but I wanted to be a lawyer when I was
a young kid.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
So I like to argue both sides.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
And sometimes I'll argue against Micah and then you know,
sometimes I'll argue for I don't think there's any other
side to this trade, at least right now.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
You know, if they get I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Tease the arch band to go, they get arch Mand
and he's a superstar, they trade up.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
That changes the thing.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
But right now, like, could you what's a real argument, Rachel,
right now that this was an okay deal?
Speaker 6 (25:28):
I mean, the argument to me is just that they
were in this position in the first place, is say,
gross mismanagement. I remember two years ago sitting on the
set right across the stage over here talking about how
they had coming up the DAK deal, the CD deal,
the Parsons deal.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Right we knew it FS one, we were talking about it.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
They didn't plan for that because if you were staring
down the barrel of those three guys needing to get paid,
and you just decided roster construction wise, it's just not
a good idea for us to put this much money
into three players to me, and this is no disrespect.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
To ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
I'm paying and keeping the two guys who affect every
snap of the ball on their side, the pass rusher
and the quarterback affect every snap of the ball CD.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
I mean, sure he's a decoy out there or drawing
a defense when he's not catching, but he's averaging seven.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
I think catches a game, So that affects such a
smaller percentage of your game, of your place. Like I
just the decision.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
Making and forethought here over and over and over again,
even just to get us to yesterday, is something I
don't think we're talking about enough.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Did you see that Venus Williams and Serena Williams movie
with Will Smith?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah, Williams sisters. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
He I'm pretty sure that was the movie where he
had this great quote, if you.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Don't have a plan, plan to fail. Yeah, And it
feels like Jerry did not have a plan.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
He was just kind of winging it to Rachel, we
can't have much money.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Law I knew, all right, So Rachel, we have a
treat here. So Jerry spoke yesterday and it was kind
of chaotic. I did not see this quote, but the
staff just showed it to me. Here is Jerry Jones
being asked, Hey, man, you said a few months ago
you would never trade Micah Parsons.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
What changed you were never considering trading Michael Parsons.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
Was that a tactic at the moment or did your
tune eventually change in the LATK Do.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
You really think if I wanted someone to be interested
in him that I would say, oh, I'm going to trade.
It's the opposite. It's the opposite.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
For DJs five D I don't guys, I'm sorry. Just
think about it, guys. Can we just have the Can
we just play? I don't know ifink you just played
the end of it.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
But when he looks, he's like, do you think I
really it's the opit? Like, listen, I know bad ownership
as a Jets fan. Woody Johnson is, for my money,
the worst owner. And I don't see how Jerry's like
right there with him after this debacle. I mean, it's
unbelievab All right, Coming up next, Jane Slater, NFL Network,
She spoke to Micah.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
First person to speak to Micah.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
She's got all the details that's coming up next year
on the Herd.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
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and noone Easter, not a Empacific.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
All right, James Slater, NFL Network, Coming right up real quick.
Maybe I should stop bashing Jerry Jones and just thank him.
He's the gift that keeps on giving folks. He just
keeps opening his mouth at the podium and saying things.
And I know I used the term gaslight earlier and
I hate somebody used it on me and it really
annoyed me.
Speaker 11 (28:40):
But I feel like, if you're a Cowboys fan and
you hear this stuff, you just got to be like, bro,
come on, just stop running the team. You don't even
know what you're talking about. This was Jerry Yesterday, Okay,
frame of mind.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Jerry Yesterday on what he first thought about a Micah
Parson's trade.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
There was no question in our mind that Michael could
bring us a lot of resources on a trade that
has been on my mind since have we hired Brian.
This trade was not just thought about today. This trade
has been going on in our minds and our strategies
(29:18):
and being talked about. It's been going on all spring.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
It culminated today and it came quick, but that's the
way things go.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
All spirit Really okay, I'm really happy for you, Jerry.
I mean, honestly, it seems like you seem like you
won this deal. You're really trying to sell a really hard.
It's like, you know, your your buddy starts dating a
new girl, and then he introduces her to the crew
and you guys hang out one night and pretty much
(29:55):
the cruise universally like, yeah, I know she's not that fun,
probably not a good but guys, she's so cool and
smart and hot and like, she's awesome, trust me. But
everybody meets and I don't think it's a good fit.
But he's really trying to sell his crew on this
new girlfriend. And I feel like Jerry's trying to sell
(30:16):
the fan base. Hey, we got a good deal here,
all right. Let's bring in Jane Slater from the NFL Network.
She spoke to Michah Parsons yesterday Jane in her car. Jane,
I imagine you've been on your phone basically all night.
This is crazy, chaotic. Just give us the latest.
Speaker 10 (30:38):
Yeah, normally this wouldn't be my setup for you, Jason,
but I am actually here at the Star in Frisco
where Kenny Clark just got here.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
So we're going to get to meet him.
Speaker 10 (30:46):
We'll see him at practice for the first time, and
then they'll open up the locker room and we will
get their reaction to trading. What we all know is
to be a generational player, one of their biggest guide
on defense, and a trade they got them to first
round picks and the defensive tackle to help them stop
the run. Jason, I don't fill the need to be
(31:07):
sold by Jerry Jones on why they traded him. Covering
this team, I can tell you that he had gotten
to a point here within the last seventy two hours.
This was really the only direction they could go. It
got so messy what he has to sell me on
and what he still has to.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Sell a lot of.
Speaker 10 (31:25):
Us covering the beat and that locker room is why
they did it the week before the season started. Why
they justified the trade because they needed to address their
run defense, something they could have addressed along with the
trade back at the end of March first of April.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Wow, I could not have said it better, James later
the Insiders on NFL Networks seven o'clock Eastern. All right, Jane,
so I'm just curious your initial reaction.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Like you said, this has been building. But still, you know,
the Packers haven't done a huge deal like this in
a while.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
It's Micah did. When you first got word, were you
just absolutely floored.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Jerry doesn't do big deals like this.
Speaker 10 (32:10):
You'd have to go all the way back to the
herschel Walker trade. And look, some people have joked out
there that maybe watching the Gambler inspired him to go
out there and wheel and deal. But the truth of
it is the building one here. Starting about two years ago,
we started hearing frustrations within the locker room. And when
I say frustrations, I don't want to sit here and
(32:32):
say that Micah Parsons is a problem player. He certainly
doesn't have problems off the field. It's more of In
talking to former coaches, one of the concerns was does
he love football or he does he love the idea
of being a football player that gets the accolades, then
gets the camera and the podcast, and there would be
(32:56):
frustration when they were in meeting rooms and he would
drift in and out. I would just gribe it as
just a real he needs a coaching staff that's really
going to dive in and invest in him.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
We saw that with Dan Quinn.
Speaker 10 (33:10):
We saw Mike Zimmer sort of buy in as much
as he could, you know, last year. But he's that
type of player that just requires a lot of buy
in and attention, and I think it started to wear
on the locker room.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Let me change that.
Speaker 10 (33:25):
I know it wore on the locker room because in
talking to previous coaching staffs in exit interviews, there were
a number of players who came to them and said,
we have to do something about Micah. And now I've
argued it feels like they have a higher tolerance for
off the field issues, and so that's frustrating. But the
(33:45):
way that Jerry held his feet to the fire, a
twenty six year old negotiating a monster deal for the
first time, and because he wanted to rope in his agent,
and Jerry sat there and said he did want to
get a third person involved. He didn't want to renegotiate
this thing. That's the thing I continue to have a
(34:07):
problem with. I don't he's talked to players in the past.
It's just I think Micah got in a little over
his skis here. He thought, because of his relationship with
Jerry that they could work it out. But I think
this was a little in over his head, and I
don't think it's fair that he was punished because of that,
or that they let it linger. As long as they
(34:28):
did that, to me, is what hurt their team. I
think you could have sold a lot of us around
here on the trade in March April. It's just when
they did this. I think the catalyst was some of
the defensive moves from Mike and his agent this week
looking for a second opinion on the back, and then
the filing of grievances. I think the buildings started asking themselves,
(34:52):
is he even going to be available to us? Is
this going to be something that lnkers and becomes a
distraction heading into the season. Remember we had Mike McCarthy
and his coaching staff on expiring deals last year and
that really did weigh heavy on the locker room. Everyone's
energy and their approach talking to people yesterday, it feels
like this gives them a little bit of a clean slate.
(35:14):
I think everyone's disappointed. They're as shocked as we are
that this is where it got. But I think people realize,
especially with the training table incident on Friday, where he
was laying on the table watching the game. It was brief,
but it was that body language that they don't want
from a leader and they certainly don't want to invest
in for years to come.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Wow, that is explosive stuff, Jane Slater, amazing. Let me
ask you who was the leader on that team and
did they try to talk to Michael Parsons Because we
know DeMarcus Lawrence and he had some words on social media.
But I'm just curious if anybody in the building tried
to get through to him during these defensive meetings where
he's doing whatever or not locked in.
Speaker 10 (35:55):
Possibly, And we'll be in the locker room today when
can ask about that. What I will say about my
comparisons and what I appreciate about him. He reminds me
of some of the nineties players. Jay said, you know
the guys that have a rawness. You can't tell him nothing.
I remember he was sending out a bunch of tweets
his rookie season, and it was, you know, getting.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Involved in military and politics.
Speaker 10 (36:17):
I was like, you might want to be careful, and
he just stood on business. And when we asked him,
I think it was last year in the locker room
point Milke, I said, why aren't you here for voluntary OTAs.
A lot of the guys live in the area. They
have a really high turnout.
Speaker 8 (36:32):
You know.
Speaker 10 (36:33):
I know it's voluntary, but if you talk to a
lot of players, that's how they gel, et cetera. And
he said into the camera with his chest, I don't
get paid the sort of money some people do to
show up here and be at voluntary OTAs. I'm here
at when I'm supposed to be. So it's it was
those little things that I think we're frustrating, but I'm
(36:53):
personally going to miss his rawness, his conviction, and you
saw it here. Think I've ever seen a player stand
toe to toe with Jerry Jones the way that he did.
I mean the fact he walked in a letter to
Steven Jones, looked him in the eye and said I
want the trade, and then showed up every single day
(37:13):
to training camp while Jerry's up in his tower and
he's there on the sidelines, jersey over his shoulder some days,
a hoodie a beanie on dealing with the Jones is
that takes a stomach. And that's why I say he
is a different dude. So I'm sure there were people
that likely spoke with Micah. But the problem is Micah
literally will hear you, He'll receive it. Do you think
(37:37):
he gets it other than it's you know again, I
just I don't think he's easily focused. Sometimes I think
he's a type of guy you've got to keep stimulating.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Oh boy, sounds like a bit of a headache for
the Packers defensive coordinator, but also a headache for opposing quarterbacks.
Let me just one last question on that, like, do
you think this is just the modern young athlete? Is
this him coming up in the nisle? This is just
who he is? Because you know, we've heard stories about
other guys. Trevor Lawrence. Does he love football? Like Mike
has got a pretty thriving podcast, He's obviously huge on
(38:08):
social media.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Do you think he loves football?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I do?
Speaker 10 (38:14):
I mean when you listen to him on his podcast,
he knows a lot about it. He's interested and he's interesting.
I even hate to call him. That's why I haven't
called him a problem player. I don't think he's a
problem player. I just think he needs a better fit.
And I truly think. You know, when we've had players
come here from different teams, they'll say this is playoff media.
(38:37):
You should see the amount of credential media that are
here today, and this is just every single day. And
I think when you're constantly putting a mic in people's faces,
I think this generation does get something from the clicks.
I think this generation does get something from the likes.
And so I don't think this is unique to Micah.
But I will say if I'm Micah Parsons frustrated, you know,
(39:01):
there's plenty of guys in my draft class that who've
gotten extensions. I am a generational type player. Other pass
rushers got their money. And I think he just felt
I know this. I'll say this, he felt manipulated and
taken advantage of at some point. And you know the
fact that he came back this week and tried to
get something done and Jerry told him to play on
(39:21):
the fifth year option or leave. It just tells you
where this thing had devolved, and I think that's unfortunate.
It feels after watching The Gambler a little bit like
the Jerry Jimmy dynamic. You know, they they appreciate each other.
Maybe one day they'll get past this. But I ultimately
think Jerry sort of met his match here and a
(39:43):
guy that was unafraid moving away, that was different than
other players who have standoffs with the Joneses, but also
believes in himself enough and his talent that somebody was
going to pay him what he was asking.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
All Right, we got about two minutes left.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Do you think we'll see a slew of hit pieces
here in the next I don't know, week leading up
to Week one? Wow, Michael Parsons, you know he was
a problem. He did this, he did that. Are we
going to see that? Is stuff gonna come out?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Or do you think there's just not that much ammo there?
Speaker 10 (40:13):
I don't think there's enough animal. I think what I'm
telling you is enough of it. You know, I think
we've been we've been We've been sprinkling this as we've
talked about this over the last six months. You know,
it was talked about in the building under you know,
different coaching staffs, et cetera. And I think he especially
when you cover a beat, you don't want to create
(40:34):
unnecessary problems in the locker room. And so I always
kind of looked at it Ash. You know, it's different opinions.
There are big personalities in Dallas. I never thought it
rose to the we've got a cancer in the locker room.
That's not how I would describe my guide. So if
those pieces come out, I don't think that. I don't
think that would be fair, and so I hope that's
(40:55):
not the case. You know, I think that Kareem Bay
is going to be a really good fit for him.
I think going to a place where he's got a
familiarity with the quarterback, there's less scrutiny, and I think
he can get back to just focusing on football. I
think that'll be a good thing for him.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Take Jane Slater, NFL Network catcher on The Insiders weeknights
at seven Eastern on NFL Network. Great stuff, Jane, enjoy
the media crush today and thanks for taking the time.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, boy, Jane Slader, great stuff, Rachel. That was I
thought that was explosive. Some of the stuff. Shit whoooo.
I think we would be playing those clips here in
the coming hours.
Speaker 6 (41:35):
Further evidence that maybe they should have done this this spring, right,
Jerry Botch, I mean.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
If this is if this is going.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
On, yeah, yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
We got a great show. This is fun. Two more
hours left.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
My college football picks for Week one. That's next year
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