September 2, 2025 • 36 mins
Colin reacts to Bill Belichick getting blown out by TCU in his college coaching debut and why the legendary head coach has fallen behind the modern state of football. He gives his final Herd Hierarchy before the NFL season officially kicks off and why the Chiefs are no longer a top 3 team. Plus, he talks to Nick Wright from First Things First about the Micah Parsons trade and why the Cowboys did better than what people are giving them credit for
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
All Right, here we go. It is a Tuesday summer
over football and the Herd officially back. It is great
to be here with our fancy news set live in LA.
It's the Herd wherever you may be, however you may
be listening. Ryan Day, buck Eye's head Coach, stops by
(00:50):
Nick Wright, Albert Breer, our final Herd hierarchy moving into
the season. We're all a little ten ready to roll. Jmax.
That was about as bad last night. I knew what
today's lead was going to be, and for at least
five to seven minutes it was a masterpiece for UNC
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Michael Jordan and Roy Williams. That ended up being an
all time conquered I mean that is as bad twenty
nine to ten first downs, So there was a lot
of hope even TCU's a social media team is mocking
Carolina football today. So of all the discussion about Bill Belichick,
the big concern I had was, remember I talked about
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this forty transfers, It's like a friends and family coaching staff.
There's three Belichicks, and Mike Lombardi and his son, and
then there's Belichick's girlfriend, and then there's Jamie Collins who's
never been a coach, but he played with Belichick. It
kind of feels like a friends and family staff. And
I saw that with Bill Belichick at the end of
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New England. He didn't hire the best coaches available. He
hired the guys he was most comfortable with. Young Bill
Belichick would have fired this. Bill Belichick, he's seeking comfort.
You can't coach in a gated community. Nick Saban goes
out and hires Lane Kiffen is the OC. They were
at each other's throats. Sabin was not seeking the most
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comfortable guy to hire. He brought in Lane Lane's ego,
but Lane's a great coach, and Sabin continually would go
get the best coach available. After the first drive, they
had a really nice scripted first drive. After that, six
drives without completing a pass. Because the game has changed.
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You have to take offense seriously. Freddy Kitchens is the OC.
He was already on staff, you know, So why putting
the effort into going out and getting the best OC
on the market. We'll just move up. Freddy Kitchens was
Freddie Kitchens up for elite offensive coordinator jobs in the
NFL or college. He wasn't, but he was on staff.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
This is like what they did in New England where
they made the DC the offensive coordinator. Wen't worry about
offense tomorrow. This offense isn't good. This is when Belichick
interviewed with the Atlanta Falcons. Remember he laid out his
plan and one of the reports or two of the
reports were, well, he wanted to hire his guys. McVeigh.
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McVeigh coaches his guys. Then they go on and become
good head coaches. Andy Reid, he'll coach his guys, then
they leave. You ever, notice with Belichick, it's a lot
of the people that stick around. They may leave, they
always come back. So I watched last night Sunny Dikes,
by the way, the coach at TCU, his dad was
a legendary coach. You know, what. They never worked together.
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They didn't want the nepotism, they didn't work together. So
as I watched the game unfold, the longer it went,
you could see the gap in coaching. And some of
this is forty transfers. I mean, I gotta be honest.
The transfer portal feels a little like coined. Everybody thinks
they're going to get rich, and it's a lot of
nonsense and hope and hy ope, and I'm not really
sure you're ever gonna be able to buy a really
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nice house with it. But hey, it sounds great. Let's
bring in all these new players. But I think Belichick
has become the chef that won't change the menu bill
in his career, if you count the Browns, the Patriots,
and Carolina last night without Tom Brady has averaged nineteen
points in his career. Forget the record, which is unimpressive,
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sub five hundred. He doesn't move the ball, he doesn't
take offense seriously enough, change the menu, update the weight
staff to new menu. It's a new area of town
and there are all the hipsters around. You are taking
offense seriously. So I watched TCU. I watched their quarterback.
I watched their offense. They dabbled just a little in
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the transfer portal. That was a well coached team, and
the longer the game went, the more they pulled away.
But you know, this is again it feels like Bill
has moved into a time in his life where he
just wants to work with coaches he's comfortable with, and
Peo Pule he's comfortable with. You know, there was a
years and years ago on this show, I think it
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was Urban Meyer had said he had talked to Bill,
you know, and at one point Bill had said, you know,
there's certain players I'm just not going to coach anymore.
That is the opposite of the early Bill Belichick. You
took guys that could be a little crazy. You took
guys that didn't make it comfortable. You had to be
a mentor to some of the coaches. They didn't know
your system. But that's okay. That is how you grow
in life with a little discomfort. You have to bark.
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Occasionally things go a little sideways. I just I had
concerns coming into this thing. Is that TCU came in
with a staff that had been around, they knew college football.
But this was way worse than I thought. At its
worst it could be. And here's Bill.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
After they just outplayed us, they out coached us. I mean,
they were just better than we were tonight. That's all
it was to it. They controlled both sides of the
line of scrimmage. There's skilled players played well and you
know they they just they did a lot more things
right than we did. We're better than what we were tonight.
So but we have to go out there and and
show that improve it. So nobody's going to do it
for us. We'll have to do ourselves.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
And that's what we're going to do, all right. So
the second story, and this happened several days ago, but
ESPN threw a slew of reporters at it. It's a
very interesting read. It's inside the Cowboys decision to trade
Micah Parsons. And so I'm always a little and I
think all the reporters on this Don ben Not is
very good seth Wick Gersham has a lot of good reporters,
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Jeremy Fowler, these are really talented people. I'm always a
little gun shy about crushing the player because I know
where the leaks come from. There's a lot of leaks
from the Cowboys side, you know, protecting the enterprise and
protecting the brand and their stories here that he wasn't
good in the weight room. He didn't get treatment regularly.
He participated in walked throughs, but his behavior could be odd,
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and you know in the locker room he was kind
of a deflating energy. A lot of this stuff I
don't want to get into because I know where it's
coming from. The Cowboys got crushed for this move, and
now they want to make it look like, well, the
Packers are getting damaged goods here. The Packers are getting
a playmaker. But I still support the move. Now, I
don't think I talked to somebody over the weekend. I
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don't think Michael was the most popular guy in the
locker room. Albert Breer reported that Zach Martin, Ceedee Lamb,
and Dack are more popular. That's okay. Not by the way,
Jalen Hurts, believe it or not, is not the most
beloved layer in the Eagles locker room. Sa Kwon Barkley
is loved in that locker room. Jalen Hurts a little
hit and miss does his own thing. Not everybody loved
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Peyton Manning. He would bark at his friends. Jeff Saturday.
I don't care if the quarterback Troy Aikman, legendary Barcinet
coaches Barcinet players. So I don't care if you're the
most loved guy. But I will say this, when you
pay a guy forty seven million, and that's what that's
what he wanted. You got to have the cake made
right like they needed in Dallas because they're not Green Bay.
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They don't have the culture right now or the leadership.
They needed Michael Parsons to be more than just seball
go get it, and that's largely what he was. He's
just gonna go wreck a play. The problem is they
have a weak coaching staff right now in Dallas. It's
not a great roster. It may not be a great culture.
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And here's the thing. When you're gonna give forty seven
million to a guy and you're still kind of you're
kind of in a soft rebuild, you need it more
than just have ig followers and some sacks. And Dallas now,
to me, has flexibility. And Jerry Jones has always played
himself off as a big deal maker and he's an
oil catter, kind of a maverick, right. He was a
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pushback guy. If you watched the documentary on Netflix. He's
a wild catter, they called it. So he was a
deal maker. The problem is the last two years they
can't make any deals. They have no flexibility. They had
the worst running back room in the league. And they
couldn't go by Eric Henry for eight million dollars, which
we kept pounding the table on this show in Baltimore
did so they couldn't make any deals that was only
going to get worse paying Micah forty seven million. And
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so now they've got four first round picks in the
next couple of years, and they have real flexibility. That's
what Dallas needs because in this sport right now, is
there any greater deal maker than Howie Roseman in their
division twice a year with the Eagles. No. I mean
Philadelphia is tweaking. They're doing chess. Dallas is checkers, and
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they couldn't even make moves on checkers over the last
couple of years in free agency. So it gives them flexibility,
it gives them multiple first round picks. I would certainly
look at drafting another quarterback next year in the first
round if I could. I know you're all in love
with Dak, but this insistence that Dallas got host folks.
I've seen Dak, Ceedee, Lamb and Mike in the playoffs. Yeah,
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I saw those guys get housed by the green Bay
Packers in Dallas. And that was the youngest playoff team
since nineteen seventy Buffalo Bills. Remember, green Bay walked in
that thing about three series in was over. The Packers
came in with a bunch of twenty three year old kids.
Blew them out. Jordan Love bleuw them out. So I've
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seen this. I don't get the rints in repeat factor
or this insistence. I mean the thing about Micah. He's
a really good fit for what green Bay needs now,
but Dallas needs flexibility more than an edge rusher who
disappears at times against the best left tackles he goes
up against. He's never been a guy with great instincts
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or great eyes. That's why you can't use him in
a stack linebacker inside space. You need him to just
go and wreck plays. I'd have trouble paying forty seven million,
So I think it two things can be true. I
think he works right now for green Bay. But this
idea that I've seen CD Dak and Micah I got
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one playoff win, and this coaching staff, in my opinion,
is worse than that coaching staff that got housed by
the Packers. Here's Mica.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Winning is everything to me. I don't think you're gonna
find a more competitive person on the team or anywhere
NFL when it comes to anything we do. So when
you talk about winning in the stage of what it takes,
I haven't been there, and I don't know what it takes.
But I got a funny feeling that you know a
lot of this history this program does you know, they
weren't further than us, and obviously they had a big
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one against us, And I trust coach Lafleur, and you know,
I really feel like, you know, we can do it,
and like I said, I really want to one real bad.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, Coach Lafleur and the youngest playoff team since the
nineteen seventy Buffalo Bills had a twenty seven nothing lead
on Dallas and Dallas. So I've never understood this. I know,
to a fault, I'm a non traditionalist, but this haf
to this idea that I just can't let go of stars.
I don't get it. Everybody's got different windows Dallas is
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in a reboot. Dallas may have a new coaching staff
by next year. I'd seen Micah in big games against
the best left tackles, and he could be grabbed and
became kind of invisible in big spots. He served you well,
he got a lot of plays out of him. But
it's a different time, and I think Dallas the ability
to have some self awareness and acknowledge Green Bay's super
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Bowl team. We're not. Let's get first round picks. I
totally support with Dallas. I've been banging on this team
for years. You need more good players, not a forty
seven million dollar edge rusher. You already overpaid for Dak.
You paid CD about what he deserves. You don't need
to pay an edge rusher forty seven million. You have
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two first rounders next year, get a quarterback later first round.
Go get another edge rusher. He'll be a lot cheaper Jamak.
We have got in one hour from now, our final
herd hierarchy in to the regular season, plus Nick right,
Ryan Day of the buck Eyes. That was a very
impressive start by them. Well, listen, I thought yards of
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offense now, but I see I contend that Ryan Day
in Ohio State watched the first two series and they
saw how much trouble Matt Patricia, NFL guy was giving
arch Manning and I believe Ryan Day got on a
headset and looked at it. I mean, I can see
this from TV. That was one of those guys. Let's
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just play field position. We're gonna be okay here. Now,
you could argue if they score on the toush push,
maybe it's a different environment. But I thought, I thought,
if there was any criticism of Ohio State, they played
a little safe. But if you were on that field
and you're Ryan Day and I am here to you,
the distance me and arch Manning and I'm watching his feet,
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his arm mechanics, the slotting like he was off.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Yeah, I kind of crushed him yesterday and people were
coming after me on Texas.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
They take a deep breath. It's game.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Colin art set for two years. He knows this system well.
He couldn't do anything against the Buck guy. That surprised
me big time. Yeah, we'll have some thoughts on that.
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So here we go. This is our last heard hierarchy
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going into the season. Listen, the hardest part of this
hierarchy was not the top it was who do I put? Ten, eleven, twelve.
I got to watch the first couple of weekends. So
here we go.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Herd hierarchy. No go the top ten NFL teams according
to college number ten.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I'm gonna put Detroit in there. They've got two new coordinators,
they lost two offensive linemen. The strength of their team.
They get Aiden Hutchison back. I think their division is
better this team last year. You know you're talking fourteen
to fifteen wins. I think it's major pullback. They are
so good upstairs. They built a really cool culture. I've
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always liked Jared Goff more than the rest of the
media gallery. But I don't think this team wins their division,
and I think losing elite coordinators go ass. Philadelphia can
get ugly fast. I have them at ten.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Number nine.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I'll put the Rams, although I think Houston is a
dangerous opener with Will Anderson. The Rams left tackle just
started practicing this week, and I mean, anybody spotted Matt
Stafford in LA. I think it's a dangerous opener, but
I think they have the second best coach in the league,
and when Stafford has time to throw with this young defense,
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they'll win games. This is amazing. They were the young
They played more rookies than anybody in the NFL last year,
and yet we're the lead penalized team. They're a completely
buttoned up organization, but left tackle and quarterback is a
lot of question marks, and Houston is a scary opener
with their pass rush. Number eight the Packers. Let me
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ask you, is Jordan Love good? I don't know, but
I like the culture. I like the team. They were
actually last year one in five in division, which is
rare for them, so I think they'll improve. There were
ten and one against everybody else. Jordan Loves starts the
season slow, so that's a real thing. Joe Burrow's done
the same thing reasons. I don't know. Again, I thought
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they went out and got a number one ride receiver.
The Mica trade is absolutely worth a win. I don't
know if it's worth two, but they won eleven games
last year and we're banged up at quarterback. Just out
of respect for the organization and the coach, I think
the Mica trade works for them. I think they win
the division. Number seven Commanders are good. I wonder if
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they're great. They have five primetime games. They're the oldest
team in the league. Did you know that? Looked it
up this morning. Older players do not like primetime games.
The Chiefs are used to it, but it can be disruptive. Also,
Jaden Daniels and the Commanders scored on fifty percent of
their drives. I'm gonna go with that's not gonna happen again.
The Deebo Samuel Chess piece is really interesting, but I
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have him at seven.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Number six.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I'm higher on the Seahawks than everybody else. At five
to one. They're the best bet to win a division.
And here's my thing. Second year, with a really bright
young coach, upgrade at coordinator and quarterback, they will be
more run specific. Gray's abel has been a big pickup.
He had a great preseason. They could not run the
football last year. They will be a run first team.
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They'll miss some big plays with DK Metcalf, absolutely, but
I gotta tell you, I don't think there's a better
personnel guy in the league than John Snyder. Their last
three drafts not a lot of misses, and I love
this draft. I have the Seahawks at number five, but
are they Kansas City?
Speaker 6 (19:03):
No.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I think this is where the gap happens. The final
five teams Listen, Kansas City was twelve to zero one
score games. That's not gonna happen. But Andy Reid and
Mahomes are, you know, the best at what they do
in this sport, which is leaning offense. But the problem
is that Rashi Rice's six games suspension. I feel like
they've been bailing water at wide receiver for three years
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and it's worked. But you know, let's be honest about that.
Guess who was closer to his prime Travis Kelcey. So
they're going to be good. They have the best defensive coordinator,
the best coach, the best quarterback. The division is a handful,
but I think they'll be a playoff team. But they
got they were so good in one score games, and
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I think the Raiders, the Broncos, and the Chargers are
all going to be a step better. Number four Denver,
I think it's universally understood that bo Nicks is a
hit and will only get better. This is a team
last year that was very good, but not great in
one score games. Now Breeze and Peyton were great in
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one score game, so bone Nicks is not going to
be one in six and one score games. They also
went out and got real players of fun, get safety Green,
bought linebacker greenlot linebacker Evan Ingram at tight end. They
went and got productive veterans who will make an impact immediately.
They didn't just go to the transfer portal and get
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rotational guys they want and got productive stars in this league.
I have Denver at four, number three. You know, Lamar
Jackson seven years, won seventy eight games and every game
they lose is either against a playoff team or it's close.
I know, I know they don't win in the postseason.
It's a fair criticism, but I'm I think structurally, like
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Kansas City, I don't see holes in the organization. Number
one rushing defense, number one rushing offense. Everybody else is
it's a passing league. Baltimore's like, yeah, we can do that,
but I have them at three, number two. Listen, well,
they've beaten the Chiefs in the regular season, just not
the postseason. I like Buffalo James Cooks got his deal signed,
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they got all their early draft picks. They went with defense,
and that's what they should have done. Listen, I think
Josh Allen is the most talented football player in the world.
Size strength movement. I don't think there's anything quite like it.
He doesn't have Mahomes as hardware, but he doesn't have
Mahomes as coach. Joey Bosa that's like under the radar.
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Still a good player, but the Chargers didn't want to
pay play for two rush ends. So I just think
they're lined up to get to a Super Bowl. Number one,
best overall roster composition in the league. Don't love their
head coach, but what do you want me to say?
In the trenches, O line and D line, they nailed
two early round corners. I think they have the most
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players in the NFL, either in their prime or close
to their prime. I can't find a hole on the
team outside of I don't always love the personality of
the head coach, but for a team that just blew
out the Chiefs, they were kind of strangely under the radar,
So I have them at number one, and with that,
Nick Wright, first things first is joining us live. All right,
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there's usually a gaping hole that I missed, So I'm
gonna I'm gonna offer you an opportunity. What did I
really swing and miss on?
Speaker 8 (22:30):
I mean, I hate to Chris in your gorgeous, brand
new studio and welcome you back from what was I
don't know, six seven week vacation with this, But I
think in all our time knowing each other, this is
this is a bottom two or three Herd hierarchy.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I just have to.
Speaker 8 (22:50):
I listen, the Eagles at top is fine. I still
I still need to talk to either on or offline
about how the Chargers left tackle getting hurt made the
Broncos so much better.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
I still don't totally understand that.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
But fine.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
You also said, you know everybody agrees Bo Nicks is,
you know, is a hit and good, and you know
I don't not everybody my hands up on not agreeing.
I think I wonder what the commentaries after Mac jones
first year ten wins Fake Pro Bowl going into year
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two was, and we compare that to where Bo Nicks is.
But you also said John Schneider is the best GM
in football. I mean forget my guy, Brett Veach. Howie
Roseman might have something to say about that, but more
importantly than any of that, because obviously you and your
merry brand of you know friends in the media that
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are just convinced the Chiefs fifteen wins and third straight
Super Bowl appearance was sign of doom. That's fine, I'll
set that aside. Where are the Tampa Bay Buccaneers colin eleven?
How did the Tampa Bay eleven? You always say eleven?
Whenever I bring up the team, you always say eleven.
Speaker 9 (24:10):
I feel like the Bucks are a little.
Speaker 8 (24:12):
Disrespected, the Seahawks and Broncos are a little overly respected,
And I might argue for like, I'm surprised you didn't
find room for the Chargers or the Bears, and so
those would be my bigger gripes, like the Chiefs being Chiefs, Bills, Ravens,
Eagles all are the four best teams in football. We
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can argue about the order. One of those teams is
not like the other with Denver and they're owen seven
record against good AFC teams last year, But we'll see
how that works out.
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Speaker 1 (24:51):
So I said on the Mica trade is that it
was remarkable to me the pushback Dallas Scott, because I
watched Micah and Ceedee, Lamb and Dad get housed by
the Packers in a playoff game and trail like twenty
seven to nothing. I've seen it, and that was with
a better coaching staff than this staff. So Green Bay
needs a playwrecker, and that's what he is. The Cakes built,
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he's the icing Dallas needs players and flexibility. Were you
surprised or maybe you agree with it? The outrage and
the negativity on Dallas getting two first rounders having four
total in the next two drafts. Oh, by the way,
next year could be a exceedingly promising quarterback draft. Or
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I got it for Dallas, did you? So?
Speaker 8 (25:38):
This is one that I think you nailed more than
most and I agree. Listen, I would not want to
be in the business of trading Micah Parsons. I think
the Cowboys made up and I think you might agree
with this, made a bunch of mistakes that led them
to this place I would have signed Micah a year ago.
If I was looking at it and said, hey, we
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cannot have CD at the top of market, Dak at
top of market, and Mike at top of market, We're
gonna have to move off one of those three. Micah
would have been the last one that I moved off of. Like,
so there are things I would have done differently, But
once they got to where they were.
Speaker 9 (26:20):
My defense of Dallas is this.
Speaker 8 (26:22):
If the breaking news last week, Colin was not that
Mike has traded, it was that the Cowboys signed Micah
to the exact contract Green Bay did, everyone would be
killing the Cowboys like they put themselves in a spot where,
no matter what, they were going to be criticized, because
if you cannot pay Micah forty seven, DAK sixty, CD
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thirty five and say and sure, we're just going to
be better than we've been the last few years when
you haven't been good enough. So once they got to
the place they were in, I understood the trade. Their hope, obviously,
is that it is their version of the Chiefs trading
away Tyreek kill, where you recognize he's a great player,
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but recognize you have other holes you need to fill.
I don't like that they got to the place, but
once they got there, two first round picks and in
my opinion, a good player in Kenny Clark. It's not
an overwhelming return, but it's fine. They just obviously have
to hit on those picks. So I agree with you
that once they got to this place, trading him was understandable.
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I don't like the process that led them to getting
to this place.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
So I'm watching Belichick and we looked it up this morning.
If you take Cleveland, New England and that game last
night without Brady, Belichick has averaged nineteen points in his career.
And I've said this, Andy Reid got to five NFC championships,
Prima homes, Andy Reid won, got to the playoffs with
Alex Smith. Andy Reid wins everywhere. I cannot be the
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only person that watches that game last night and think
it's this is not aging. Well, this does not look good.
When Tom goes to Tampa in a little bit of
a pirate ship, of course, and wins the trophy, I
do think this dings his legacy. I don't think the
last several years helps at all.
Speaker 9 (28:17):
Well, I agree.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
With the last part. It certainly doesn't help. There's no
argument that it helps. Now, how much does it hurt
that I'm not ready.
Speaker 9 (28:25):
To go there yet?
Speaker 8 (28:26):
What I will say, let me defend Bill and then
give you my thoughts on last night. We all, all
of us that were there for the first three Super
Bowls recognize those were defense led teams with an incredibly clutch,
but not yet great quarterback.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
The final Super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (28:46):
In twenty eighteen, Colin, they shut down Todd Gurley, Sean
McVeigh and a good Jared Goff to the tune of
three points in the Super Bowl. Like his ability for
twenty years in New England and to put great defenses
around Tom should not be overshadowed in how that team
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won as much as they did. So that part no
one can ever take away from him. But the fact
that we now over the last half decade in New England,
his talent evaluation was questionable, His coaching staff decisions were
outright bad.
Speaker 9 (29:24):
His inability to ever get.
Speaker 8 (29:26):
The quarterback position right outside of Brady, which is a
big yeah. But because Brady is the greatest player in
the history of the sport, that matters. And we've talked
about this, the Melding of his personal and professional life
and the really odd decisions to keep that front and
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center up to an including last week with the trade
attempted reported trademark of gold Digger and other things. The
only way that's going to be okay is if you
continue being excellent. And not only were they not excellent, they.
Speaker 9 (30:02):
Were awful last night.
Speaker 8 (30:04):
And it also to me there was a lot of
excuse making for a I'm not writing the kid off,
but a poor arch Manning performance because we were like
man Mike or Matt Patricia's defense, like there's just nothing
a college kid.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
Could ever have done well.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Josh Hoover looked pretty fine last night against Bill Belichick's defense,
So I don't think it was all that. I think
it's also the personnel and the experience. But yeah, that
is Colin. I looked this morning. They're now projected to
win five and a half games, like they have three
non con games coming up and then a game against
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Stanford Nancy State late, but they're going to be underdogs
the majority of the rest of the way, and that
team doesn't look anywhere close to competing for anything significant.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, the you know, the arch Manning thing, which you
alluded to, I said, you know, I was driving in
this morning and I was thinking about I never want
to be too harsh, but there's a difference between jitters
and nerves and like not throwing more than maybe one
ball all afternoon, where you're like, oh, that was pitch
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and catch. That's it was off kilter. He felt pressure
that didn't exist. He missed multiple layups. He sometimes he
faded into pressure like it's it looked about as bad
as it could be. And he's been with Sark three years.
And you can criticize Sark well, but he was Sark
can coach offense in quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (31:37):
We know that it was. It listened.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
It's not everything, but it's not nothing, and it is.
You then start looking with a finer tooth comb at
him versus the other guys who were, you know, early
in their college career being talked about as future number
one picks. I understand his rookie year didn't go. These guys,
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by the way, haven't yet to be proven to be
great pros. But Caleb Williams, the first time he ever
played college football as a true freshman, gets dropped into
the Red River Shootout down two scores, then Cooks and
It's just unbelievable. Trevor Lawrence as a true freshman goes
undefeated and beat Alabama in the National championship game, goes
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thirty eight to two. And again you can say, well,
what does that matter because those guys haven't been the
pros you know, Caleb Early and Trevor through four years
that we.
Speaker 9 (32:31):
Would have hoped.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
The point is, those guys had this type of hype
about number one overall pick and immediately backed it up.
My concern for Arch going into the game was multi layered.
One is, it's not nothing that Texas last year decided
Quinn Ewers was the better option. Now, Quinn's a great
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college player, seventh round pick, they're going for national championship.
I understand that, but that's not nothing. Expecting Arch to
cook against the national champion on the road in his
first ever road game, that was curious. And then also
the fact that he didn't go to a football factory.
He went to a small school in New Orleans and
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had a nice but not overwhelming high school career, and
then three years in we haven't seen him play in
a big spot yet. There were just a lot of
reasons for me to believe this is going to be
tough on him.
Speaker 9 (33:25):
Now. I didn't think they'd only score.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Seven points, but I did like Ohio State significantly in
the game. And I'm not writing off Arch Manning on
anything except for this. I do think we can write
him off on this year's Heisman Trophy, not only because
he now has a hugely high profile bad game, but
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also because when you watched that, does it feel like
he's about to rip.
Speaker 9 (33:52):
Off ten straight awesome games?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I don't.
Speaker 8 (33:54):
I know their next three San Jose State, UTEF, Sam Houston,
he should be great. Then it's at Florida in the swamp,
and then it's the Red River shootout.
Speaker 9 (34:04):
Like I think that.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
You know, his grandfather was like Arch is going to
stay for two years, and Arch was like, I don't
know about that. I think that's more on the board
now than it was going into the game. And that's
not an indictment, but it did feel like he was
anointed without having accomplished in a way we hadn't seen
recently in college football.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Totally agree, it's good to be back. You know, I
do enjoy working. I take some respites, but I do
enjoy working.
Speaker 8 (34:32):
Listen, Colin, you are for thirty years the hardest working
man in the industry and now you're the hardest working
man in the industry September through May. And you know what,
that's fine. There's no problem with that, bro. You have
earned it. I respect it, and I love it. It's
(34:52):
good to see you again.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Ah, Nick, right, friend, Nick? Right? First things first? Which
is at it an hour? So that is great? Jay Mack.
We both had good summers with our families. That's what
it was about. You and I decided let's go have
some fun this summer.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Oh it was outstanding until I came back and saw
you left the forty nine ers off the hurt hierarchy.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I mean, what a glaring error.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
Twelve twelve with the easiest schedule that the NFL has seen.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I'm not putting in schedule yet. Let's see what transpires.
I think they're I think Seattle beats Seattle's a two
point dog at home.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Six.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I think Seattle is going to beat San Francisco. There
are two point dog at home.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Well, you want to have a side bet, how about this?
If the Niners win that game, you have to play
around of golf with me this week.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I'm I'm busy. Oh wow, that's disrespect. I'm okay, fine,
I'm out there deal making you.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
You think the Seahawks are the sixth best team in there?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
This is this is the herd. Hierarchy is not a
schedule ranking. It is your personnel, your coach. It is
your acquisitions and free agency. You lose Hufunga Greenlaw. You
literally went and got Robert Sola because you're like, we
were bad defensively. You just lost two of your best
defensive players potentially interesting.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
So Seattle lost their quarterback Metcalf and Lockett No upgraded.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
At quarterback coordinator, and hit on another two or three
draft picks. I can't believe Seattle is a home dog
in a division rivalry game.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
Make the market is telling you that the Niners are
way better and the Seahawks are overvalued.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Make a side bet with me.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
It doesn't have to be golf, doesn't have to be
something to chew up your valuable time. Listen, you better
hang out with me at least one night this week.
Come on, I'll try to make time on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Oh for the gate. We'll watch a game together, all right,
you'll buy me food and drinks.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
All Right, here we go. It is a Tuesday summer
over football and the Herd officially back. It is great
to be here with our fancy news set live in LA.
It's the Herd wherever you may be, however you may
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Nick Wright, Albert Breer, our final Herd hierarchy moving into
the season. We're all a little ten ready to roll. Jmax.
That was about as bad last night. I knew what
today's lead was going to be, and for at least
five to seven minutes it was a masterpiece for UNC
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Michael Jordan and Roy Williams. That ended up being an
all time conquered I mean that is as bad twenty
nine to ten first downs, So there was a lot
of hope even TCU's a social media team is mocking
Carolina football today. So of all the discussion about Bill Belichick,
the big concern I had was, remember I talked about
(01:35):
this forty transfers, It's like a friends and family coaching staff.
There's three Belichicks, and Mike Lombardi and his son, and
then there's Belichick's girlfriend, and then there's Jamie Collins who's
never been a coach, but he played with Belichick. It
kind of feels like a friends and family staff. And
I saw that with Bill Belichick at the end of
(01:56):
New England. He didn't hire the best coaches available. He
hired the guys he was most comfortable with. Young Bill
Belichick would have fired this. Bill Belichick, he's seeking comfort.
You can't coach in a gated community. Nick Saban goes
out and hires Lane Kiffen is the OC. They were
at each other's throats. Sabin was not seeking the most
(02:21):
comfortable guy to hire. He brought in Lane Lane's ego,
but Lane's a great coach, and Sabin continually would go
get the best coach available. After the first drive, they
had a really nice scripted first drive. After that, six
drives without completing a pass. Because the game has changed.
(02:41):
You have to take offense seriously. Freddy Kitchens is the OC.
He was already on staff, you know, So why putting
the effort into going out and getting the best OC
on the market. We'll just move up. Freddy Kitchens was
Freddie Kitchens up for elite offensive coordinator jobs in the
NFL or college. He wasn't, but he was on staff.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
This is like what they did in New England where
they made the DC the offensive coordinator. Wen't worry about
offense tomorrow. This offense isn't good. This is when Belichick
interviewed with the Atlanta Falcons. Remember he laid out his
plan and one of the reports or two of the
reports were, well, he wanted to hire his guys. McVeigh.
(03:23):
McVeigh coaches his guys. Then they go on and become
good head coaches. Andy Reid, he'll coach his guys, then
they leave. You ever, notice with Belichick, it's a lot
of the people that stick around. They may leave, they
always come back. So I watched last night Sunny Dikes,
by the way, the coach at TCU, his dad was
a legendary coach. You know, what. They never worked together.
(03:46):
They didn't want the nepotism, they didn't work together. So
as I watched the game unfold, the longer it went,
you could see the gap in coaching. And some of
this is forty transfers. I mean, I gotta be honest.
The transfer portal feels a little like coined. Everybody thinks
they're going to get rich, and it's a lot of
nonsense and hope and hy ope, and I'm not really
sure you're ever gonna be able to buy a really
(04:06):
nice house with it. But hey, it sounds great. Let's
bring in all these new players. But I think Belichick
has become the chef that won't change the menu bill
in his career, if you count the Browns, the Patriots,
and Carolina last night without Tom Brady has averaged nineteen
points in his career. Forget the record, which is unimpressive,
(04:28):
sub five hundred. He doesn't move the ball, he doesn't
take offense seriously enough, change the menu, update the weight
staff to new menu. It's a new area of town
and there are all the hipsters around. You are taking
offense seriously. So I watched TCU. I watched their quarterback.
I watched their offense. They dabbled just a little in
(04:50):
the transfer portal. That was a well coached team, and
the longer the game went, the more they pulled away.
But you know, this is again it feels like Bill
has moved into a time in his life where he
just wants to work with coaches he's comfortable with, and
Peo Pule he's comfortable with. You know, there was a
years and years ago on this show, I think it
(05:12):
was Urban Meyer had said he had talked to Bill,
you know, and at one point Bill had said, you know,
there's certain players I'm just not going to coach anymore.
That is the opposite of the early Bill Belichick. You
took guys that could be a little crazy. You took
guys that didn't make it comfortable. You had to be
a mentor to some of the coaches. They didn't know
your system. But that's okay. That is how you grow
in life with a little discomfort. You have to bark.
(05:33):
Occasionally things go a little sideways. I just I had
concerns coming into this thing. Is that TCU came in
with a staff that had been around, they knew college football.
But this was way worse than I thought. At its
worst it could be. And here's Bill.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
After they just outplayed us, they out coached us. I mean,
they were just better than we were tonight. That's all
it was to it. They controlled both sides of the
line of scrimmage. There's skilled players played well and you
know they they just they did a lot more things
right than we did. We're better than what we were tonight.
So but we have to go out there and and
show that improve it. So nobody's going to do it
for us. We'll have to do ourselves.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
And that's what we're going to do, all right. So
the second story, and this happened several days ago, but
ESPN threw a slew of reporters at it. It's a
very interesting read. It's inside the Cowboys decision to trade
Micah Parsons. And so I'm always a little and I
think all the reporters on this Don ben Not is
very good seth Wick Gersham has a lot of good reporters,
(06:33):
Jeremy Fowler, these are really talented people. I'm always a
little gun shy about crushing the player because I know
where the leaks come from. There's a lot of leaks
from the Cowboys side, you know, protecting the enterprise and
protecting the brand and their stories here that he wasn't
good in the weight room. He didn't get treatment regularly.
He participated in walked throughs, but his behavior could be odd,
(06:55):
and you know in the locker room he was kind
of a deflating energy. A lot of this stuff I
don't want to get into because I know where it's
coming from. The Cowboys got crushed for this move, and
now they want to make it look like, well, the
Packers are getting damaged goods here. The Packers are getting
a playmaker. But I still support the move. Now, I
don't think I talked to somebody over the weekend. I
(07:17):
don't think Michael was the most popular guy in the
locker room. Albert Breer reported that Zach Martin, Ceedee Lamb,
and Dack are more popular. That's okay. Not by the way,
Jalen Hurts, believe it or not, is not the most
beloved layer in the Eagles locker room. Sa Kwon Barkley
is loved in that locker room. Jalen Hurts a little
hit and miss does his own thing. Not everybody loved
(07:37):
Peyton Manning. He would bark at his friends. Jeff Saturday.
I don't care if the quarterback Troy Aikman, legendary Barcinet
coaches Barcinet players. So I don't care if you're the
most loved guy. But I will say this, when you
pay a guy forty seven million, and that's what that's
what he wanted. You got to have the cake made
right like they needed in Dallas because they're not Green Bay.
(08:00):
They don't have the culture right now or the leadership.
They needed Michael Parsons to be more than just seball
go get it, and that's largely what he was. He's
just gonna go wreck a play. The problem is they
have a weak coaching staff right now in Dallas. It's
not a great roster. It may not be a great culture.
(08:24):
And here's the thing. When you're gonna give forty seven
million to a guy and you're still kind of you're
kind of in a soft rebuild, you need it more
than just have ig followers and some sacks. And Dallas now,
to me, has flexibility. And Jerry Jones has always played
himself off as a big deal maker and he's an
oil catter, kind of a maverick, right. He was a
(08:47):
pushback guy. If you watched the documentary on Netflix. He's
a wild catter, they called it. So he was a
deal maker. The problem is the last two years they
can't make any deals. They have no flexibility. They had
the worst running back room in the league. And they
couldn't go by Eric Henry for eight million dollars, which
we kept pounding the table on this show in Baltimore
did so they couldn't make any deals that was only
going to get worse paying Micah forty seven million. And
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so now they've got four first round picks in the
next couple of years, and they have real flexibility. That's
what Dallas needs because in this sport right now, is
there any greater deal maker than Howie Roseman in their
division twice a year with the Eagles. No. I mean
Philadelphia is tweaking. They're doing chess. Dallas is checkers, and
(09:30):
they couldn't even make moves on checkers over the last
couple of years in free agency. So it gives them flexibility,
it gives them multiple first round picks. I would certainly
look at drafting another quarterback next year in the first
round if I could. I know you're all in love
with Dak, but this insistence that Dallas got host folks.
I've seen Dak, Ceedee, Lamb and Mike in the playoffs. Yeah,
(09:54):
I saw those guys get housed by the green Bay
Packers in Dallas. And that was the youngest playoff team
since nineteen seventy Buffalo Bills. Remember, green Bay walked in
that thing about three series in was over. The Packers
came in with a bunch of twenty three year old kids.
Blew them out. Jordan Love bleuw them out. So I've
(10:14):
seen this. I don't get the rints in repeat factor
or this insistence. I mean the thing about Micah. He's
a really good fit for what green Bay needs now,
but Dallas needs flexibility more than an edge rusher who
disappears at times against the best left tackles he goes
up against. He's never been a guy with great instincts
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or great eyes. That's why you can't use him in
a stack linebacker inside space. You need him to just
go and wreck plays. I'd have trouble paying forty seven million,
So I think it two things can be true. I
think he works right now for green Bay. But this
idea that I've seen CD Dak and Micah I got
(10:58):
one playoff win, and this coaching staff, in my opinion,
is worse than that coaching staff that got housed by
the Packers. Here's Mica.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Winning is everything to me. I don't think you're gonna
find a more competitive person on the team or anywhere
NFL when it comes to anything we do. So when
you talk about winning in the stage of what it takes,
I haven't been there, and I don't know what it takes.
But I got a funny feeling that you know a
lot of this history this program does you know, they
weren't further than us, and obviously they had a big
(11:32):
one against us, And I trust coach Lafleur, and you know,
I really feel like, you know, we can do it,
and like I said, I really want to one real bad.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, Coach Lafleur and the youngest playoff team since the
nineteen seventy Buffalo Bills had a twenty seven nothing lead
on Dallas and Dallas. So I've never understood this. I know,
to a fault, I'm a non traditionalist, but this haf
to this idea that I just can't let go of stars.
I don't get it. Everybody's got different windows Dallas is
(12:03):
in a reboot. Dallas may have a new coaching staff
by next year. I'd seen Micah in big games against
the best left tackles, and he could be grabbed and
became kind of invisible in big spots. He served you well,
he got a lot of plays out of him. But
it's a different time, and I think Dallas the ability
to have some self awareness and acknowledge Green Bay's super
(12:27):
Bowl team. We're not. Let's get first round picks. I
totally support with Dallas. I've been banging on this team
for years. You need more good players, not a forty
seven million dollar edge rusher. You already overpaid for Dak.
You paid CD about what he deserves. You don't need
to pay an edge rusher forty seven million. You have
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two first rounders next year, get a quarterback later first round.
Go get another edge rusher. He'll be a lot cheaper Jamak.
We have got in one hour from now, our final
herd hierarchy in to the regular season, plus Nick right,
Ryan Day of the buck Eyes. That was a very
impressive start by them. Well, listen, I thought yards of
(13:10):
offense now, but I see I contend that Ryan Day
in Ohio State watched the first two series and they
saw how much trouble Matt Patricia, NFL guy was giving
arch Manning and I believe Ryan Day got on a
headset and looked at it. I mean, I can see
this from TV. That was one of those guys. Let's
(13:31):
just play field position. We're gonna be okay here. Now,
you could argue if they score on the toush push,
maybe it's a different environment. But I thought, I thought,
if there was any criticism of Ohio State, they played
a little safe. But if you were on that field
and you're Ryan Day and I am here to you,
the distance me and arch Manning and I'm watching his feet,
(13:51):
his arm mechanics, the slotting like he was off.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Yeah, I kind of crushed him yesterday and people were
coming after me on Texas.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
They take a deep breath. It's game.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Colin art set for two years. He knows this system well.
He couldn't do anything against the Buck guy. That surprised
me big time. Yeah, we'll have some thoughts on that.
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to this show, Nick right in a couple of minutes.
So here we go. This is our last heard hierarchy
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going into the season. Listen, the hardest part of this
hierarchy was not the top it was who do I put? Ten, eleven, twelve.
I got to watch the first couple of weekends. So
here we go.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Herd hierarchy. No go the top ten NFL teams according
to college number ten.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I'm gonna put Detroit in there. They've got two new coordinators,
they lost two offensive linemen. The strength of their team.
They get Aiden Hutchison back. I think their division is
better this team last year. You know you're talking fourteen
to fifteen wins. I think it's major pullback. They are
so good upstairs. They built a really cool culture. I've
(16:17):
always liked Jared Goff more than the rest of the
media gallery. But I don't think this team wins their division,
and I think losing elite coordinators go ass. Philadelphia can
get ugly fast. I have them at ten.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Number nine.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I'll put the Rams, although I think Houston is a
dangerous opener with Will Anderson. The Rams left tackle just
started practicing this week, and I mean, anybody spotted Matt
Stafford in LA. I think it's a dangerous opener, but
I think they have the second best coach in the league,
and when Stafford has time to throw with this young defense,
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they'll win games. This is amazing. They were the young
They played more rookies than anybody in the NFL last year,
and yet we're the lead penalized team. They're a completely
buttoned up organization, but left tackle and quarterback is a
lot of question marks, and Houston is a scary opener
with their pass rush. Number eight the Packers. Let me
(17:15):
ask you, is Jordan Love good? I don't know, but
I like the culture. I like the team. They were
actually last year one in five in division, which is
rare for them, so I think they'll improve. There were
ten and one against everybody else. Jordan Loves starts the
season slow, so that's a real thing. Joe Burrow's done
the same thing reasons. I don't know. Again, I thought
(17:37):
they went out and got a number one ride receiver.
The Mica trade is absolutely worth a win. I don't
know if it's worth two, but they won eleven games
last year and we're banged up at quarterback. Just out
of respect for the organization and the coach, I think
the Mica trade works for them. I think they win
the division. Number seven Commanders are good. I wonder if
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they're great. They have five primetime games. They're the oldest
team in the league. Did you know that? Looked it
up this morning. Older players do not like primetime games.
The Chiefs are used to it, but it can be disruptive. Also,
Jaden Daniels and the Commanders scored on fifty percent of
their drives. I'm gonna go with that's not gonna happen again.
The Deebo Samuel Chess piece is really interesting, but I
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have him at seven.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Number six.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I'm higher on the Seahawks than everybody else. At five
to one. They're the best bet to win a division.
And here's my thing. Second year, with a really bright
young coach, upgrade at coordinator and quarterback, they will be
more run specific. Gray's abel has been a big pickup.
He had a great preseason. They could not run the
football last year. They will be a run first team.
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They'll miss some big plays with DK Metcalf, absolutely, but
I gotta tell you, I don't think there's a better
personnel guy in the league than John Snyder. Their last
three drafts not a lot of misses, and I love
this draft. I have the Seahawks at number five, but
are they Kansas City?
Speaker 6 (19:03):
No.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I think this is where the gap happens. The final
five teams Listen, Kansas City was twelve to zero one
score games. That's not gonna happen. But Andy Reid and
Mahomes are, you know, the best at what they do
in this sport, which is leaning offense. But the problem
is that Rashi Rice's six games suspension. I feel like
they've been bailing water at wide receiver for three years
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and it's worked. But you know, let's be honest about that.
Guess who was closer to his prime Travis Kelcey. So
they're going to be good. They have the best defensive coordinator,
the best coach, the best quarterback. The division is a handful,
but I think they'll be a playoff team. But they
got they were so good in one score games, and
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I think the Raiders, the Broncos, and the Chargers are
all going to be a step better. Number four Denver,
I think it's universally understood that bo Nicks is a
hit and will only get better. This is a team
last year that was very good, but not great in
one score games. Now Breeze and Peyton were great in
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one score game, so bone Nicks is not going to
be one in six and one score games. They also
went out and got real players of fun, get safety Green,
bought linebacker greenlot linebacker Evan Ingram at tight end. They
went and got productive veterans who will make an impact immediately.
They didn't just go to the transfer portal and get
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rotational guys they want and got productive stars in this league.
I have Denver at four, number three. You know, Lamar
Jackson seven years, won seventy eight games and every game
they lose is either against a playoff team or it's close.
I know, I know they don't win in the postseason.
It's a fair criticism, but I'm I think structurally, like
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Kansas City, I don't see holes in the organization. Number
one rushing defense, number one rushing offense. Everybody else is
it's a passing league. Baltimore's like, yeah, we can do that,
but I have them at three, number two. Listen, well,
they've beaten the Chiefs in the regular season, just not
the postseason. I like Buffalo James Cooks got his deal signed,
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they got all their early draft picks. They went with defense,
and that's what they should have done. Listen, I think
Josh Allen is the most talented football player in the world.
Size strength movement. I don't think there's anything quite like it.
He doesn't have Mahomes as hardware, but he doesn't have
Mahomes as coach. Joey Bosa that's like under the radar.
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Still a good player, but the Chargers didn't want to
pay play for two rush ends. So I just think
they're lined up to get to a Super Bowl. Number one,
best overall roster composition in the league. Don't love their
head coach, but what do you want me to say?
In the trenches, O line and D line, they nailed
two early round corners. I think they have the most
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players in the NFL, either in their prime or close
to their prime. I can't find a hole on the
team outside of I don't always love the personality of
the head coach, but for a team that just blew
out the Chiefs, they were kind of strangely under the radar,
So I have them at number one, and with that,
Nick Wright, first things first is joining us live. All right,
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there's usually a gaping hole that I missed, So I'm
gonna I'm gonna offer you an opportunity. What did I
really swing and miss on?
Speaker 8 (22:30):
I mean, I hate to Chris in your gorgeous, brand
new studio and welcome you back from what was I
don't know, six seven week vacation with this, But I
think in all our time knowing each other, this is
this is a bottom two or three Herd hierarchy.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I just have to.
Speaker 8 (22:50):
I listen, the Eagles at top is fine. I still
I still need to talk to either on or offline
about how the Chargers left tackle getting hurt made the
Broncos so much better.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
I still don't totally understand that.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
But fine.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
You also said, you know everybody agrees Bo Nicks is,
you know, is a hit and good, and you know
I don't not everybody my hands up on not agreeing.
I think I wonder what the commentaries after Mac jones
first year ten wins Fake Pro Bowl going into year
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two was, and we compare that to where Bo Nicks is.
But you also said John Schneider is the best GM
in football. I mean forget my guy, Brett Veach. Howie
Roseman might have something to say about that, but more
importantly than any of that, because obviously you and your
merry brand of you know friends in the media that
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are just convinced the Chiefs fifteen wins and third straight
Super Bowl appearance was sign of doom. That's fine, I'll
set that aside. Where are the Tampa Bay Buccaneers colin eleven?
How did the Tampa Bay eleven? You always say eleven?
Whenever I bring up the team, you always say eleven.
Speaker 9 (24:10):
I feel like the Bucks are a little.
Speaker 8 (24:12):
Disrespected, the Seahawks and Broncos are a little overly respected,
And I might argue for like, I'm surprised you didn't
find room for the Chargers or the Bears, and so
those would be my bigger gripes, like the Chiefs being Chiefs, Bills, Ravens,
Eagles all are the four best teams in football. We
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can argue about the order. One of those teams is
not like the other with Denver and they're owen seven
record against good AFC teams last year, But we'll see
how that works out.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
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Speaker 1 (24:51):
So I said on the Mica trade is that it
was remarkable to me the pushback Dallas Scott, because I
watched Micah and Ceedee, Lamb and Dad get housed by
the Packers in a playoff game and trail like twenty
seven to nothing. I've seen it, and that was with
a better coaching staff than this staff. So Green Bay
needs a playwrecker, and that's what he is. The Cakes built,
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he's the icing Dallas needs players and flexibility. Were you
surprised or maybe you agree with it? The outrage and
the negativity on Dallas getting two first rounders having four
total in the next two drafts. Oh, by the way,
next year could be a exceedingly promising quarterback draft. Or
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I got it for Dallas, did you? So?
Speaker 8 (25:38):
This is one that I think you nailed more than
most and I agree. Listen, I would not want to
be in the business of trading Micah Parsons. I think
the Cowboys made up and I think you might agree
with this, made a bunch of mistakes that led them
to this place I would have signed Micah a year ago.
If I was looking at it and said, hey, we
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cannot have CD at the top of market, Dak at
top of market, and Mike at top of market, We're
gonna have to move off one of those three. Micah
would have been the last one that I moved off of. Like,
so there are things I would have done differently, But
once they got to where they were.
Speaker 9 (26:20):
My defense of Dallas is this.
Speaker 8 (26:22):
If the breaking news last week, Colin was not that
Mike has traded, it was that the Cowboys signed Micah
to the exact contract Green Bay did, everyone would be
killing the Cowboys like they put themselves in a spot where,
no matter what, they were going to be criticized, because
if you cannot pay Micah forty seven, DAK sixty, CD
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thirty five and say and sure, we're just going to
be better than we've been the last few years when
you haven't been good enough. So once they got to
the place they were in, I understood the trade. Their hope, obviously,
is that it is their version of the Chiefs trading
away Tyreek kill, where you recognize he's a great player,
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but recognize you have other holes you need to fill.
I don't like that they got to the place, but
once they got there, two first round picks and in
my opinion, a good player in Kenny Clark. It's not
an overwhelming return, but it's fine. They just obviously have
to hit on those picks. So I agree with you
that once they got to this place, trading him was understandable.
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I don't like the process that led them to getting
to this place.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
So I'm watching Belichick and we looked it up this morning.
If you take Cleveland, New England and that game last
night without Brady, Belichick has averaged nineteen points in his career.
And I've said this, Andy Reid got to five NFC championships,
Prima homes, Andy Reid won, got to the playoffs with
Alex Smith. Andy Reid wins everywhere. I cannot be the
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only person that watches that game last night and think
it's this is not aging. Well, this does not look good.
When Tom goes to Tampa in a little bit of
a pirate ship, of course, and wins the trophy, I
do think this dings his legacy. I don't think the
last several years helps at all.
Speaker 9 (28:17):
Well, I agree.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
With the last part. It certainly doesn't help. There's no
argument that it helps. Now, how much does it hurt
that I'm not ready.
Speaker 9 (28:25):
To go there yet?
Speaker 8 (28:26):
What I will say, let me defend Bill and then
give you my thoughts on last night. We all, all
of us that were there for the first three Super
Bowls recognize those were defense led teams with an incredibly clutch,
but not yet great quarterback.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
The final Super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (28:46):
In twenty eighteen, Colin, they shut down Todd Gurley, Sean
McVeigh and a good Jared Goff to the tune of
three points in the Super Bowl. Like his ability for
twenty years in New England and to put great defenses
around Tom should not be overshadowed in how that team
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won as much as they did. So that part no
one can ever take away from him. But the fact
that we now over the last half decade in New England,
his talent evaluation was questionable, His coaching staff decisions were
outright bad.
Speaker 9 (29:24):
His inability to ever get.
Speaker 8 (29:26):
The quarterback position right outside of Brady, which is a
big yeah. But because Brady is the greatest player in
the history of the sport, that matters. And we've talked
about this, the Melding of his personal and professional life
and the really odd decisions to keep that front and
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center up to an including last week with the trade
attempted reported trademark of gold Digger and other things. The
only way that's going to be okay is if you
continue being excellent. And not only were they not excellent, they.
Speaker 9 (30:02):
Were awful last night.
Speaker 8 (30:04):
And it also to me there was a lot of
excuse making for a I'm not writing the kid off,
but a poor arch Manning performance because we were like
man Mike or Matt Patricia's defense, like there's just nothing
a college kid.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
Could ever have done well.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Josh Hoover looked pretty fine last night against Bill Belichick's defense,
So I don't think it was all that. I think
it's also the personnel and the experience. But yeah, that
is Colin. I looked this morning. They're now projected to
win five and a half games, like they have three
non con games coming up and then a game against
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Stanford Nancy State late, but they're going to be underdogs
the majority of the rest of the way, and that
team doesn't look anywhere close to competing for anything significant.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, the you know, the arch Manning thing, which you
alluded to, I said, you know, I was driving in
this morning and I was thinking about I never want
to be too harsh, but there's a difference between jitters
and nerves and like not throwing more than maybe one
ball all afternoon, where you're like, oh, that was pitch
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and catch. That's it was off kilter. He felt pressure
that didn't exist. He missed multiple layups. He sometimes he
faded into pressure like it's it looked about as bad
as it could be. And he's been with Sark three years.
And you can criticize Sark well, but he was Sark
can coach offense in quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (31:37):
We know that it was. It listened.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
It's not everything, but it's not nothing, and it is.
You then start looking with a finer tooth comb at
him versus the other guys who were, you know, early
in their college career being talked about as future number
one picks. I understand his rookie year didn't go. These guys,
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by the way, haven't yet to be proven to be
great pros. But Caleb Williams, the first time he ever
played college football as a true freshman, gets dropped into
the Red River Shootout down two scores, then Cooks and
It's just unbelievable. Trevor Lawrence as a true freshman goes
undefeated and beat Alabama in the National championship game, goes
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thirty eight to two. And again you can say, well,
what does that matter because those guys haven't been the
pros you know, Caleb Early and Trevor through four years
that we.
Speaker 9 (32:31):
Would have hoped.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
The point is, those guys had this type of hype
about number one overall pick and immediately backed it up.
My concern for Arch going into the game was multi layered.
One is, it's not nothing that Texas last year decided
Quinn Ewers was the better option. Now, Quinn's a great
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college player, seventh round pick, they're going for national championship.
I understand that, but that's not nothing. Expecting Arch to
cook against the national champion on the road in his
first ever road game, that was curious. And then also
the fact that he didn't go to a football factory.
He went to a small school in New Orleans and
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had a nice but not overwhelming high school career, and
then three years in we haven't seen him play in
a big spot yet. There were just a lot of
reasons for me to believe this is going to be
tough on him.
Speaker 9 (33:25):
Now. I didn't think they'd only score.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Seven points, but I did like Ohio State significantly in
the game. And I'm not writing off Arch Manning on
anything except for this. I do think we can write
him off on this year's Heisman Trophy, not only because
he now has a hugely high profile bad game, but
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also because when you watched that, does it feel like
he's about to rip.
Speaker 9 (33:52):
Off ten straight awesome games?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I don't.
Speaker 8 (33:54):
I know their next three San Jose State, UTEF, Sam Houston,
he should be great. Then it's at Florida in the swamp,
and then it's the Red River shootout.
Speaker 9 (34:04):
Like I think that.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
You know, his grandfather was like Arch is going to
stay for two years, and Arch was like, I don't
know about that. I think that's more on the board
now than it was going into the game. And that's
not an indictment, but it did feel like he was
anointed without having accomplished in a way we hadn't seen
recently in college football.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Totally agree, it's good to be back. You know, I
do enjoy working. I take some respites, but I do
enjoy working.
Speaker 8 (34:32):
Listen, Colin, you are for thirty years the hardest working
man in the industry and now you're the hardest working
man in the industry September through May. And you know what,
that's fine. There's no problem with that, bro. You have
earned it. I respect it, and I love it. It's
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good to see you again.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Ah, Nick, right, friend, Nick? Right? First things first? Which
is at it an hour? So that is great? Jay Mack.
We both had good summers with our families. That's what
it was about. You and I decided let's go have
some fun this summer.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Oh it was outstanding until I came back and saw
you left the forty nine ers off the hurt hierarchy.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I mean, what a glaring error.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
Twelve twelve with the easiest schedule that the NFL has seen.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I'm not putting in schedule yet. Let's see what transpires.
I think they're I think Seattle beats Seattle's a two
point dog at home.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Six.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I think Seattle is going to beat San Francisco. There
are two point dog at home.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Well, you want to have a side bet, how about this?
If the Niners win that game, you have to play
around of golf with me this week.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I'm I'm busy. Oh wow, that's disrespect. I'm okay, fine,
I'm out there deal making you.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
You think the Seahawks are the sixth best team in there?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
This is this is the herd. Hierarchy is not a
schedule ranking. It is your personnel, your coach. It is
your acquisitions and free agency. You lose Hufunga Greenlaw. You
literally went and got Robert Sola because you're like, we
were bad defensively. You just lost two of your best
defensive players potentially interesting.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
So Seattle lost their quarterback Metcalf and Lockett No upgraded.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
At quarterback coordinator, and hit on another two or three
draft picks. I can't believe Seattle is a home dog
in a division rivalry game.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
Make the market is telling you that the Niners are
way better and the Seahawks are overvalued.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Make a side bet with me.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
It doesn't have to be golf, doesn't have to be
something to chew up your valuable time. Listen, you better
hang out with me at least one night this week.
Come on, I'll try to make time on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Oh for the gate. We'll watch a game together, all right,
you'll buy me food and drinks.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
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