September 17, 2025 • 37 mins
Colin pushes back against people preaching “patience” for Vikings quarterback J.J. McCarthy by explaining the NFL is not a league of “patience” and the pressure to perform has already arrived. He argues Chargers head coach Jim Harbaugh might be the greatest coach in football history based on his success in both college and the NFL. Colin also talks to Fox Sports NFL analyst Mark Sanchez about Aaron Rodgers leading the Steelers offense and what Brian Schottenheimer has done to elevate Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott.
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
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Speaker 3 (00:44):
So j Mack.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I was thinking about this driving in today, not driving,
but taking a train in. I was thinking about this.
It's easy when you're outside of a building to say
be patient, Like it's very easy to say if you're
the Ohio State Buckeyes and Ryan Daego's in a two
game losing streets, be patient unless you're in the building
in Columbus. You can be patient at Miami of Ohio.
(01:07):
You can't be patient at Ohio State right, you have
their different strains and different pressures, and I want to
talk about that with JJ McCarthy. Dave Roberts wins a
World Series, literally has a bad first half, fans won
him out, and owners listen to fans, and so do gms.
So I hear this about JJ McCarthy, the Vikings young
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quarterback who in seven of eight quarters has been awful.
And I'm hearing this, Hey, you've got to be patient.
Not really, I hear that about CEOs. Be patient, see
the vision, long term growth. They have quarterly earnings calls
with investors and shareholders. Yeah, speed her up, champ or
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we'll find the new CEO. This Vikings team, number one,
could lose their great defensive coordinator by the end of
the season. Brian Floh is to do a head coaching job.
Number two. They're amazing. Left tackle Christian Darrissel is twenty six,
but he's already had one major surgery and several other injuries.
Left tackles are hard to find, especially as good as him,
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and the roster's too good, so it's going to get
really expensive within the next year to two years. I mean,
this team in the last couple of years has won
thirteen to fourteen games, two out of the last three years.
I know patience is a virtue. I understand that, but
you ever gone to an NFL practice. They don't have
virtue drills ready set virtue and Green Bay, your primary
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rival is great right now, and because of the youngest roster,
they're only getting better. So let's be patient for three
years and go oher and six against your rival. I
don't buy it. This whole thing about people that preach patients.
Patience is for parenting or training, potty training a puppy,
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or gardening. But the packers can be patient. They don't
an owner. The Vikings do, and owners listen. They listen
to people on the street and talk radio, and they
read columns, and they're gms under pressure. This isn't baseball
where if you're at a hitting slump, ah, I will
just send you down to the minors. This isn't the
NBA where yes, he's struggling, but he's only nineteen years old.
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I mean he's only a year out of high school.
JJ McCarthy's last five years of coaching, Jim Harbaugh for
three years, and Kevin O'Connell now for two. That is
world class coaching be good Sunday. Okay, Like it's different too.
Jared Goff when he got to Detroit, he'd been to
a Super Bowl with the Rams and he was a
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number one pick and he was very good. Okay, I'm
gonna wait a couple of years for Jared Goff because
he's proven he's good.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
And if you.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Sold your first startup for a billion dollars, I'm gonna
give you some time with your second startup. But like
Bryce Young at Carolina, it's three years, you're not winning games.
I gotta move on and quarterbacks in twenty twenty five,
like JJ McCarthy, have private coaching, seven on seven summer camps.
I mean it's just they have more information at their fingertips.
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I mean they should be better. They have far more
snaps early than they ever did. So again, I will
be patient potty training a puppy, but JJ McCarthy does
not get to pee on the carpet. He's got to
be good in the next seven eight weeks. I gotta
see something. And if you look at seven of his
eight quarters, they've been terrible. And again he was with
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Harball for years. Kevin o'conn there's an argument, no coach
in the history of football is better than Jim Harball,
and I mean that, and I'll talk about that in
a second.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
And then Kevin.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
O'Connell, he's called the tall Sean McVay. Five years of
that coaching. I'm not waiting. I'm not waiting any longer.
So I just don't I don't bite it. I think
gardening and parenting. But all these teams are owned by
billionaires and they listen to fans and GM's are on
the clock. You want me to be, you want me
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to be? I mean Caleb Williams, has Ben Johnson and
Lincoln Riley the last four years. I got to see
something fast speaking.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
To Jim Harbaugh. I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
So in basketball, they have the Basketball Hall of Fame.
You could be a Harlem globetrotter and make a basketball
Hall of Fame. Football is different. There's the Pro football
Hall of Fame and then there's the college football Hall
of Fame. But I was thinking this morning that if
you combined it like basketball and it was just there
was a football Hall of Fame, you could count college
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and pro. I would make an argument today the greatest
coach in the history of football is not Bill Belichick
or Bill Walsh or Vince Lombardi. It's Jim Harball. The
greatest coach ever. Think about this. He's never failed. He's
five for five at San Diego, Stanford, Sanforanrancisco forty nine Ers,
Michigan and the Chargers. He's never failed, save in an
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urban unbelievable college legends, struggled in the NFL. He's also
not tied to a single player. What's Belichick without Brady?
Not great? The only person that kind of compares to
him is Jimmy Johnson, my friend and your friend, Jimmy Johnson.
Great in college, great in the pros, but even Jimmy
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took over a Hurricanes program that had won a Natty
and they won after he left. And then he took
over the Dolphins, and the previous two years they were
like ten and six and nine and seven before he
got there, and then he left, and then Dave launched
that took over, and Dave got him to the playoffs.
With Hardball, He's taken over five messes. They're all very
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good by year two, some by year one. And when
he leaves, the Niners were unwatchable for four years after
he left. He went from Super Bowl too. Is this
the worst team in the league. I mean, it's unbelieved.
He left Stanford a couple of years with Davis Shaw.
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Now Stanford not good, not close for several years and
so and I think a lot of it. I mean,
it's like hardball takes stuff and one one day it's
bar Rescue. In the next day it's Michelin Star. And
it's amazing to watch Justin Herbert. We all knew Justin
Herbert was good, it wasn't a matter of that. But
if you look at Justin Herbert's last three seasons with
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Brandon Staley, he'd become an average quarterback ninety three passer rating.
If you look at the last two seasons twenty games,
nineteen games with Jim Harbaugh, he's in a running for
the best quarterback in the league. And now Jim was
a quarterback, so he's very good at that. But the
defense was last. It's now first college and pro. Now
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it's harder in college. Stanford and Michigan took some years,
although they got very good very quickly. But like at Stanford,
it's hard to get players in and they were the
worst program in college football.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
When he could over but very quickly.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
He went to usc and Pete Carroll is a forty
one point underdog and won in the coliseum without many players.
Pete Carroll even recruited, and I really think it's very rare.
He takes over messes. They're good immediately, and when he leaves,
they're awful. And my question is why, I mean, as
great as Jimmy Johnson is. He left the Cowboys, they
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won a Super Bowl. He left the Hurricanes, they want
to nanny. He left the Dolphins, they made the playoffs.
And the only thing I could wrap my brain around
is that when Jimmy Johnson left, you lost a great coach.
When Jim Harbaugh leaves, you lose the soul of the franchise.
He is so authentic, such a unicorn, such a unique personality.
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Eric Mangini years ago was in the offices of the
San Francisco forty nine ers, and he's been around Belichick
and great coaches, and I asked him about Harbaugh and
he said, yeah, I've never been around a coach like
Jim Harbaugh. And he's been around a lot of great coaches.
He goes, there's nobody like hardball. It's not about the meetings.
It's the personality, the relentlessness, the obsession with football. He
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is obsessed with football. He leaves an organization, you don't
lose a good coach, you lose your personality. And I
had Julian Edelman yesterday, I said, how do you change
a culture everywhere you go that quickly?
Speaker 6 (09:27):
You can get fundamentals down, not turn the ball over,
not beat yourself with pre snap penalties. That's how you
change a culture right away, not with all the talking,
not with this. It's with the actions that they are
showing that they're doing.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
So they've looked very good.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
And I think when a coach comes in and establishes
that if he wants to be a tough football team,
tough football teams don't beat themselves.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
And Herbert's interceptions, Herbert's turnovers under Staley go up under Harball,
the mostly disappear. So I mean, I think if you
counted all coaches, usually there's always been this sense that
a college football coach has a certain personality. You know,
he's kind of glibb he's got to talk to the donors,
he's got to be a great recruiter. But the NFL guys,
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they're kind of academic, they're miserable. They look all a
little overweight and a little tired under thirteenth cup of coffee.
And there's something that Harbad does that. And what's most remarkable.
Michigan was a mess, Stanford was a mess, The Niners
were a mess. He makes them great. He leaves there
is a noticeable drop off overnight, noticeable, and I think, again,
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he's not a coach, he's he is a soul of
a program. And you're just I mean, it's like when
Steve Jobs left Apple. You didn't just lose a smart guy.
He was the soul of Apple. Phil Knight briefly stepped
away from Nike years and years a couple decades ago.
Like overnight, stock plummeted, fills the vision, fills the soul.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Of Nike. So here we are. You know what else?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I made sure I wanted to talk one more day.
Jay Mack about a guy.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Now, he's a little bit of a gunslinger, he's a
little old school. But Baker Mayfield, Oh yeah, there's a
stat and I think this speaks well of Baker Mayfield.
The two quarterbacks in the league that have had the
most interception worthy throws are b Nicks and Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
And I was thinking as I was writing.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
This morning, I was writing notes for the Harbaugh Thing rant,
and I thought, you know, what makes Baker great is
that in Cleveland his personality was seen as flammable. He's
kind of the same guy in Tampa. But it's not
a flammable franchise. But the fact that he leads the
NFL right now in interception worthy.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Throws, it speaks to who he is. He is a gunslinger.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
He is a lot of farv and I think that's
incredibly appealing to a lot of football fans.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Totally agree.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
And he actually ties into your earlier point about JJ
McCarthy because just imagine if the Cleveland Browns has had
had some patience with Baker Mayfield, they wouldn't be cycling
through a litany of quarterbacks every year looking for a guy.
I think that's a great point. Baker has that gunslinger.
It didn't work in Cleveland, but it necessarily wasn't Baker's fault,
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right because Baker is an excellent quarterback right now. Me
he was one of the leaders in yards and touchdowns
last year.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I also think Tampa is a different feel. I think
Baker's matured.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I think.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I think the Browns are just a flammable organization. Stefanski's
brought the temperature down considerably. But even with Stefanski, they
guaranteed Deshan Watson the contract they drafted to her Sanders
and nobody thinks Stefansky and Andrew Berry wanted him. So that's
just who they are. And when you combine Baker's kind
of raw personality with that culture, it just didn't feel right.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
He's kind I'm the same guy, primatured a little, but
it feels perfect in Tampa because it's not a flammable organization.
It's kind of it's almost a sleepy organization.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
Yeah, I think if you're doing top ten quarterbacks, you
cannot leave Baker out of the top ten.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
All right. Right now? He's absolutely in it.
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Hey, I mean in not just two games last season,
he was incredible.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
This season before that, he was very very good. He
is playing out of his mind.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Yeah.
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Speaker 1 (13:59):
You know, certain people had been born too early or
too late. You know, Magic Johnson would have been a
good basketball player, but he was so physically big for
the point guard position six'. Eight now you've got a
lot of big. Guards he also was not a great.
Shooter now THE nba is about. SHOOTING i, Mean Steph
(14:20):
curry would have worked much better now than later because
he took shots that you weren't allowed to take in the, seventies, eighties.
NINETIES i don't care how good you were at shooting.
Them that the math hadn't been figured out in THE,
nba And Steph curry would have been shooting them and
they would have, said, well you're hitting thirty eight percent of,
them And steph would have, said, yeah but if you
do threes and. Twos it took the analytics community to convince,
(14:45):
people and it still The lakers forever would not embrace
the three point. Shot So Steph curry born in the perfect,
era a small, guy not, physical not a great, defender
but his, shot which has been totally because the sport,
changed like the sport, changed AND, i you, KNOW i
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just think the reality Is Baker mayfield has had a
great couple of years In. Tampa but it used to
Be staubach And aikman And Terry bradshaw And Dan. Fout
you got drafted by a team and you crossed your.
Fingers they would eventually get you the right. Coach Eventually
Dan fouts Gets Don coriel, right and Eventually elway Gets.
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Shanahan but you kind of just stayed with your. Team
but young, gms now gms are. Younger everybody. TRADES i,
Mean Micah parsons just got traded to a great team
in the same, Conference Green bay From. Dallas and so
if you look At baker's first five years in THE,
nfl if he'd have been born in nineteen, fifty NINETEEN
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thi it would have been. Done he was under five,
hundred his passer rating was mid. Eighties he completed sixty
one percent of his. Throws he had one hundred touchdown,
passes sixty five.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Picks he would have never been given other.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Opportunities but in this, era Sleepy, tampa which has always
been able to get the roster right but Until brady
could never get the quarterback, right looked around and, said
well mcvayh liked. Him he didn't get to a playoff In,
cleveland and they put their arms around. Him and And
tampa's a very sleepy. Brand like we all know the
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great brands in THE, nfl like The niners and The
eagles and The, ravens and They're. Steelers and then we
all know the bad. Brands they can't get out of
their own, way you, know The jets and The panthers
At cleveland And chicago a. Lot tampa is one of
those that's much closer to the top than the. Bottom
people tend to think they're in the. Middle but since
two thousand and, two The buccaneers have more playoff wins Than,
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buffalo The, vikings a well run, team The, broncos by the,
way they have More Super bowl wins in that time
than The niners and The cowboys And, oh by the,
way Only New england In Kansas city the last twenty
three years in THE nfl have More Super. Bowls they're
on a long list of two or a short. List
So tampa's always been well. Run they just can't get
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the quarterback. Right and they've got quiet, owners a GREAT,
Gm Mike, Evans Chris. Godwin now they've got another young star.
Receiver it's never been a personnel issue In. Tampa they've
HAD i covered them years. Ago they've always had. Players
BUT i Think tampa is one of those sneaky good.
Businesses BUT i Think Baker mayfield And Sam darnold deserves,
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this And Geno, smith they would not have been able
to get these massive contracts and get a third or
a fourth. Team people gave up on. You people just
gave up on. You here, is by the, Way Baker
mayfield with The Kelsey brothers this summer talking about the
fit In.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Tampa this isn't the put on the other team.
Speaker 9 (17:55):
Franchises when you step in and YOUR gm and your
head coach, say, hey just be. You, yeah After i've
been told at every stop and EVERYWHERE i, go, hey
you need to tone it down a little. Bit you
need to be a franchise. Quarterback it's just not WHO i,
Am LIKE i where are my emotions on my? Sleeves
we've hung, out you guys know. Me i'm gonna, Talk
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i'm gonna do. Whatever but when it's time to turn
the lights on and go do, Something i'm gonna do.
It so WHEN i stepped into the, building they all
told me to just be. Myself and so it's been
not to say like, comfortable but it's felt like home
since the.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Beginning, yeah and it. Does it looks like, home and
it feels like.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Home and THE nfl now is a very transactional. League
and it's been great For Baker mayfield because you go
look at those first five.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Seasons he didn't suddenly get more.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Talented he got bad, fits weird, cities bitter media five.
Seasons then in the, seventies nobody is rolling the dice
and say you're our. Guy he feels like a perfect
fit In. Tampa AND i DO i believe you, KNOW
i always hear about you, know young people are. Struggling
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young people are struggling with their mental. Health AND i
do think some people have old school. Mentality they want
to stay in their, hometown and society's gotten incredibly transactional
and fast and. Fluid in my, industry there's a change
every six. Months some people just aren't built for. It
they were born too.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Late baker got it.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
RIGHT i, mean this is a great, story but it
wasn't a story that feels that possible even like fifteen years.
Ago the league's gotten incredibly. Transactional young gms are willing
to trade.
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Speaker 1 (19:47):
Live he got The cardinals at The niners This, sunday
which is fascinating because you, KNOW i was Watching Mac
jones AND i, mean obviously there's certain. Coaches Shane steike
and Made Daniel jones ten for ten in his first ten,
Drive like clearly where you land as a. Quarterback it's incredibly.
Valuable what is it About? SHANAHAN i joke that his
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playbook should be Called quarterback For. Dummies it's virtually impossible
not to. Work but what is it About Mac? Jones,
looked that's the best pro Game i've ever. Seen Mac
jones have on the. Road they asked him to throw forty.
Times what is it about the playbook Of. Shanahan here's
WHAT i would equate it.
Speaker 10 (20:28):
To if you're a coordinator worth your, salt you're like
A gps for. Quarterbacks it doesn't matter who's. Driving i'm
going to give you a roadmap And i'm going to
provide you with turn by turn. Directions you just got
to execute these plays for me and stay out of.
Trouble just stay in the center lane fifty five miles
an hour.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
And do WHAT i tell. You.
Speaker 10 (20:48):
Right sometimes you're gonna have to go off. Script sometimes
you're gonna have to go fill up for, gas whatever it.
Is but they're gonna give you the. Roadmap so the,
MCVEIGH'S i, mean Remember sean. McVeigh he Brought baker mayfh
in for like less than twenty four hours.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
And beat The raiders in a two minute.
Speaker 10 (21:04):
Drive kevin O'Connell's done it with different, players But shanahan
specifically With Mac, jones and he started the game pretty.
Shaky and when you read some of those articles about
postgame And Trent williams going up to talk to him
and getting him to relax a little, bit and then
he just looks so, comfortable and you can really appreciate
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when a coach can handle, that and that truly tells me.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
If this coordinator is any.
Speaker 10 (21:32):
Good that's like the ultimate way of determining if the
coordinator's worth. It how many different quarterbacks have played for,
you and what does it look like when your superstar
is not playing for You Andy reid for. Example you
Know donovan, McNabb Jeff, Garcia Kevin, cobb you name, It Patrick,
mahomes different, styles different, attributes but they're all going to
have some level of. Success Jimmy, Garoppolo Brock, perdy Now Mac.
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Jones so this is no different For Kyle. Shannan the
thing That i'm almost more impressed with is how he's
doing it with THE o, line the PATCHWORK o line
that they're having to use right now because they're banged,
up and they still find a way to get the
ball to the playmakers and get the quarterback to play
at a high.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
LEVEL i know you've looked At. Arizona ten teams in
the league are two and oh ten or zero and.
Two we know that doesn't mean, everything But, Arizona arizona to,
me has a lot of good. PLAYERS i don't know
if they have the, depth the consistent line. Play they're
two and oh now they face The. Niners do you
Buy arizona's two and oh? Start because The Rams rams,
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Started denver Started baltimore last, year started off slowly and
made the. Playoffs two and oh doesn't guarantee.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Anything it doesn't guarantee.
Speaker 10 (22:42):
Anything, however stealing these wins early on does set you
up for success later on in the. Year you're not
chasing potentially another team and keeps you in pace for
the divisional.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Race the themes there really.
Speaker 10 (22:57):
ARE i do Think Jonathan gannon's brought a strong culture
to their, team and it's a balanced offense With Drew
petzig and Basically Kyler murray's playing efficient.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Football he's avoiding a lot of the negative.
Speaker 10 (23:12):
Plays it's it's making the timely throws And James connor
his ability to run down, heel run down hill.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Sules the play. Action that's what really gets this team.
Speaker 10 (23:23):
Going and Then kyler picking and choosing his spots to.
RUN i, MEAN i know people make the joke, about you,
know the way he. Runs he kind of looks like
The toddler running around with the remote control and nobody
can catch, him, like he just can't corral. Him and
so when he does that the right, way gets, down
doesn't get, hits and then decides to make throws as
he extends plays and completes. THEM i, mean it's some
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of the best in the. League you can put them
up there With Josh allen And Lamar jackson in those extended,
plays scramble mode. Situations my only concern is the mounting.
Injuries that's really going to test the depth and sustainability
of this. Defense Remember Jonathan, gannon he wants to confuse
you with some of those looks in the back, end
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and they're down a ton of. Players their defensive backs are.
Depleted so how exotic can you get with these? Coverages
how much when you get exotic with, coverages you better.
Communicate so it's going to be more of an emphasis
on guys like To baker to stabilize that unit in
the back.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
End So.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Nick sirianni always surprised. ME i THOUGHT i did his
first press. Conference i'd call people in the league and they're,
LIKE i don't know if he's quite ready to be
a head coaching. Job But he's really done a good,
job and he works in that city with that, culture
AND i, think by the, WAY i think it's also
fair to say that people do get better at their,
jobs not just quarterbacks but. Coaches Brian SCHOTTENHEIMER i was
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told by PEOPLE i trust he hadn't interviewed for a
head job. Forever he was kind of an old school offensive.
Guy and Then i've watched them the first two. Weeks
dak looks. Great clock management's, good not a lot of.
Penalties they're getting the. BALL i, mean they've created run.
LANES i, MEAN i gotta be, Honest i'm. SURPRISED i
(25:07):
thought this team could be a bit of a. MESS
i think they've overachieved. Offensively you've watched. Them you Know,
schottenheimer do you? Not?
Speaker 10 (25:15):
Yeah, well he was my coordinator for my first three
years in THE nfl and the year BEFORE i got,
There so two thousand and eight he was a coordinator
For brett fav they Acquired brett Favre.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Well schottenheimer was a.
Speaker 10 (25:27):
Disciple of The zampzi system And North turner, system so
that was all. Numbers he basically used three numbers to
tell THE, x THE, y and THE z receivers where to,
go and then you'll add a tag for your slot
receiver on what his route.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Is, Well Brett, farve that didn't jive with. Him he
was a words.
Speaker 10 (25:47):
Guy he was an old School West coast, guy and
so there was a clash. There, Well shotty adapted the whole,
system came up with code words That Brett farv. Used
so WHEN i get, there he basically asked, me all,
right what do you want to? Do because the, coaches
the other players on the, team we might know the
system that we ran last, year but just because we
can talk about, it if the quarterback can't talk about,
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it we're all getting fired.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Anyway so what hits your?
Speaker 10 (26:12):
Brain AND i know for a fact the last few
years working with McCarthy And dak keeping some of those core,
principles inserting some of the stuff that he's used throughout
his storied and long career in THE. Nfl he's been
a coach for over twenty, years just never a head.
Coach he's got the pedigree because of his dad and
(26:33):
all the success That Marty schottenheimer had In Kansas. City
so he was, primed poised and ready to. Go and
now he's got history With. Dak they're speaking the same.
Language and then the last point Is dak's. Health when he's,
healthy he's recognizing, stuff he's communicating with his. Coordinator he's
executing at a high. Level and it's. Obvious it's. PALPABLE i,
(26:54):
mean look at the clip after the game of these
guys in the locker room celebrating an absolute monster win
in overtime against the divisional. Rival and he, said on this,
team we celebrate really cool. Stuff and so he calls
out each guy's accomplishments from the. Game so and so
scored a, touchdown, yes and the team is like fired.
(27:15):
Up those kind of, moments that's why you do, It.
Colin as a former, player that's what you. Miss the bus,
rides the plane, rides the locker rooms after the. Game
you can tell they have something special going In dallas.
Now it's just avoiding all the outside noise that's inherently
a part of The cowboys and continuing to build that
culture that he.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Started, yeah and it also should be noted when you're
building a coach, culture it.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Does you need buy.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
In and they have looked real exeter so pro athletes
need buy. In you can't you can't just keep pounding the,
table and so good For Brian. Schottenneimer, okay you did
The Seahawks steelers, game which was a fascinating get a second,
HALF i mean between the snaffoo on special teams And seattle's.
Defense so to start With, pittsburgh BECAUSE i had said
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coming into the, season they haven't been able to create
cohesion in their run game for seven. Years And aaron
just came from The jets who didn't run, well and
now he's going to The, steelers AND i, said it's
gonna look like a better version of The. JETS a
forty one year old quarterback who doesn't want to run
around without a run. Game that is all big. Ask
(28:22):
so let's take give us some of your video you bring.
Tape what did you see From aaron good, player bad
play that you liked or didn't?
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Well.
Speaker 10 (28:30):
LISTEN i Think aaron's going to get to the answer
a little more quickly than a lot of players playing
because of his history in this, league because of all
the reps that have mounted up over. TIME i do
Think Arthur smith and him have put together something. SPECIAL
i think they're still trying to figure out how to
USE dk Metcalf Calvin, austin you know some of their tight, Ends,
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Friarmouth Johnny, smith trying to figure out exactly how these
pieces fit into their offense and get them in success
success positions. Essentially But aaron's done plenty to win these
first two. Games they happen to lose this most recent,
one and everything started to go downhill after this. Interception
(29:12):
so we're going to start rolling the clip here in a,
second but just keep in mind he had just Tied
Brett farv for number four all time in passing touchdowns before.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
This this was to Surpass Brett.
Speaker 10 (29:23):
Favre and this is an elite play By Aaron rodgers
and a mishap By Calvin. Austin so they're using a
formation out to the right that they used earlier in the,
game and Now rogers is, signaling so he's kind of
like counterpunching off of a jab earlier that he threw
a touchdown TO dk metcalf. On now we saw This Chris,
Jones Kansas City Chiefs, Chargers week. One if that defensive
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end wraps inside and leaves the outside lane, open this
is what you're talking. About a defensive rush that has
to be in. Sync so boy and mafelects to go.
Inside Jaron reid, says, HEY i got to cover the.
Outside Aaron rodgers to the, right nothing's. There look how
fast he processes realize the defensive end is inside and gets.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Outside the guy's forty one years.
Speaker 10 (30:08):
Old he just had achille surgery two years, ago and
he's about to throw one of the best THROWS i
saw all weekend and break the record to be number
four all time and passing touchdowns To. Friarmouth That's friarmuth's,
position the back pylon right. There he's running a route
that keeps him. There red zone, low red, zone scramble rules.
(30:30):
FACING i need somebody at the back. PILON i need
somebody at the front. Pilon Aaron rodgers is throwing this
thing to a spot where only his guy can get.
It these rules and the integrity of these rules are.
Paramount calvin Austen i said it on, air brings ants
to the. Picnic you can't go interfere with that. Lane
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your position is the front. Pilon if he doesn't mess
with that, football that's a. Touchdown in this. Game we're
singing a very different tune about The Steelers rogers intered
it in.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
His press conference after the.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
Game it's exactly the way we broke it, down not
just in this clip but in the game, live and
those kind of. Mistakes we're talking that kind of margin of.
Air we're talking three to six yards of difference in
positioning and, spacing and it's a completely different. Ballgame incredible
play By, aaron complete blunder By Calvin. Austin he's got
(31:22):
to get, better and remember his low red zone scramble rules.
Integrity now moving on To Sam. Darnold Think, kubiak his.
COORDINATOR i just thought he really put him in great
positions this, weekend and he's doing some old school kind
Of West Coast Shanahan kubiak kind of. Stuff he's going under,
center five step plant and ripping the ball down the.
(31:45):
Field you just don't see that, anymore especially.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Near the goal.
Speaker 10 (31:48):
Line so go ahead and roll the, clip AND i
want you to Watch sam's eyes, integrity his eye, Integrity
how quick that ball pops out of his hand on
a five step drop. Plant you just don't see it.
Anymore so this is like a throwback twenty years. Ago
you Saw lway do, That marino do, that but here's
the concept basically up top And jigba's on that, post
and that's really your alert down here at the bottom
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the three. Receivers that's a concept that you'll get to
if the alert is not. Open and when you realize
that alert isn't, open and you See Patrick, queen the
middle linebacker number, six adjusting to your formation and shaded
to the, right you gotta hold your eyes for those
first five steps and move him slightly to the left
to create a window to throw this ball To, barner.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Their tight end second year man out Of.
Speaker 10 (32:35):
Michigan so watch the steps, one, two, three, four five balls.
OUT i, mean come, On, colin that's, like that's like
the old combine. Drills that's you, know old school, lway
like you just don't see players do that. Anymore AND
(32:55):
i love That Clint kobak still employing those.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
THINGS i Love sam's eyes on that. Play it.
Speaker 10 (33:01):
Was it was a real nostalgic moment and a key
moment for The seahawks to get a.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Victory by the, way let me before we wrap it,
Up Justin, herbert a head coach of often in THE,
nfl can help with. Personnel offensive coaches tend to be
better at developing run games and offensive. Lines if you
look the last six or seven, years the better offensive
lines in THE nfl at the end of the year
are offensive Coaches. Harbaugh i'm Watching Justin herbert's first nineteen
(33:30):
games With, harbaugh AND i go back to his last
twenty games With, staley AND i don't know exactly what it,
is BUT i, mean, stylistically he looks the. Same he's still, big,
smart moves, well but he has cleaned up Something hardball's
cleaned up. Something he just doesn't turn it. Over and
(33:52):
is that eliminating plays from a? PLAYBOOK i, mean because
the receiving course still feels a guy. Short how do
you what Is harbaugh doing? Here in your, opinion it
just feels Like i'm getting just a, cleaner Tighter Justin.
Herbert still big step, moves still big, arm still, accurate
(34:14):
but it's.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Different what do you think it.
Speaker 10 (34:16):
IS i think he's starting to reach that point in
his career where his, structure the protocols in, place the
preparation and understanding the reads are really starting to fall in.
Line that rolodex of coverages that you've seen versus specific
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plays are just coming up to the forefront of his,
mind and he's also understanding this is where this is
where quarterbacks really take the next step in their maturation.
Process we're not just running plays on the field. Ever in,
practice you're running a bunch of, plays but you're practicing specific.
Situations and when the call comes in the, headset DO
(34:59):
i know why the play caller gave me that?
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Play what's the play caller's?
Speaker 10 (35:04):
Purpose if you can answer that clearly and succinctly as
soon as the play call comes, in you have an
excellent chance to be successful on that play and you
can tell it's. Happening the one THING i will, say you,
KNOW i understand the contrast To staley Versus harbaugh defensive
guy to offensive, guy but don't FORGET i, mean they
were up twenty eight to nothing in a playoff game
(35:25):
In jacksonville and absolutely blew. It and that wasn't all Justin, herbert,
RIGHT i, Mean Joey boksa got a penalty for slamming
his helmet, Down, like you, know come, On SO i
think things change there if you win that playoff. Game
BUT i think part of this is just timing wise With,
herbert he still has the athleticism he's like the prime
(35:48):
of your. Career to, me you still have the, athleticism
but now you have the, Knowledge now you have the,
experience and now you can get to the answer faster
than a lot of other players because you're an elite.
Process and so it's all coming together For Justin. Herbert you,
know maybe it's a new, girlfriend maybe it's the new offensive.
SYSTEM i don't, know but whatever it, is it's working
(36:10):
and it's awesome to.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
See, yeah it really is one of the really nice.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Guys, mark that was, great absolutely primo stuff, Today and
Enjoy cardinals at The. Niners that's going to be a
good that game is through, years they've given The niners
a lot of. Trouble they've matched up, well so that's
going to be a great watch On. Fox as, Always
Mark sanchez delivers J mac Your Arizona. Cardinals you picked
them as your shocking team in THE, nfl AND i
(36:35):
gotta be honest with, YOU i should have had them last.
WEEKEND i THINK i like The. Niners let me just remind.
Speaker 7 (36:42):
You in that opener against The, Saints Juwan johnson catches
a touchdown pass to tiet but the ball gets, dislodged
So they didn't cover against The panthers and they barely
covered against The.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Saints those are like bottom five teams in the.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
League So arizona needs to close the door when they
go up twenty seven to.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Three colin to run away and. Hide don't.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Disagree, yeah but they've given The niners trouble through the.
Years they Have Kyler murray running around is given that
defensive front seven some.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:44):
So j Mack.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I was thinking about this driving in today, not driving,
but taking a train in. I was thinking about this.
It's easy when you're outside of a building to say
be patient, Like it's very easy to say if you're
the Ohio State Buckeyes and Ryan Daego's in a two
game losing streets, be patient unless you're in the building
in Columbus. You can be patient at Miami of Ohio.
(01:07):
You can't be patient at Ohio State right, you have
their different strains and different pressures, and I want to
talk about that with JJ McCarthy. Dave Roberts wins a
World Series, literally has a bad first half, fans won
him out, and owners listen to fans, and so do gms.
So I hear this about JJ McCarthy, the Vikings young
(01:27):
quarterback who in seven of eight quarters has been awful.
And I'm hearing this, Hey, you've got to be patient.
Not really, I hear that about CEOs. Be patient, see
the vision, long term growth. They have quarterly earnings calls
with investors and shareholders. Yeah, speed her up, champ or
(01:51):
we'll find the new CEO. This Vikings team, number one,
could lose their great defensive coordinator by the end of
the season. Brian Floh is to do a head coaching job.
Number two. They're amazing. Left tackle Christian Darrissel is twenty six,
but he's already had one major surgery and several other injuries.
Left tackles are hard to find, especially as good as him,
(02:12):
and the roster's too good, so it's going to get
really expensive within the next year to two years. I mean,
this team in the last couple of years has won
thirteen to fourteen games, two out of the last three years.
I know patience is a virtue. I understand that, but
you ever gone to an NFL practice. They don't have
virtue drills ready set virtue and Green Bay, your primary
(02:35):
rival is great right now, and because of the youngest roster,
they're only getting better. So let's be patient for three
years and go oher and six against your rival. I
don't buy it. This whole thing about people that preach patients.
Patience is for parenting or training, potty training a puppy,
(02:56):
or gardening. But the packers can be patient. They don't
an owner. The Vikings do, and owners listen. They listen
to people on the street and talk radio, and they
read columns, and they're gms under pressure. This isn't baseball
where if you're at a hitting slump, ah, I will
just send you down to the minors. This isn't the
NBA where yes, he's struggling, but he's only nineteen years old.
(03:20):
I mean he's only a year out of high school.
JJ McCarthy's last five years of coaching, Jim Harbaugh for
three years, and Kevin O'Connell now for two. That is
world class coaching be good Sunday. Okay, Like it's different too.
Jared Goff when he got to Detroit, he'd been to
a Super Bowl with the Rams and he was a
(03:40):
number one pick and he was very good. Okay, I'm
gonna wait a couple of years for Jared Goff because
he's proven he's good.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
And if you.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Sold your first startup for a billion dollars, I'm gonna
give you some time with your second startup. But like
Bryce Young at Carolina, it's three years, you're not winning games.
I gotta move on and quarterbacks in twenty twenty five,
like JJ McCarthy, have private coaching, seven on seven summer camps.
I mean it's just they have more information at their fingertips.
(04:11):
I mean they should be better. They have far more
snaps early than they ever did. So again, I will
be patient potty training a puppy, but JJ McCarthy does
not get to pee on the carpet. He's got to
be good in the next seven eight weeks. I gotta
see something. And if you look at seven of his
eight quarters, they've been terrible. And again he was with
(04:33):
Harball for years. Kevin o'conn there's an argument, no coach
in the history of football is better than Jim Harball,
and I mean that, and I'll talk about that in
a second.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
And then Kevin.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
O'Connell, he's called the tall Sean McVay. Five years of
that coaching. I'm not waiting. I'm not waiting any longer.
So I just don't I don't bite it. I think
gardening and parenting. But all these teams are owned by
billionaires and they listen to fans and GM's are on
the clock. You want me to be, you want me
(05:06):
to be? I mean Caleb Williams, has Ben Johnson and
Lincoln Riley the last four years. I got to see
something fast speaking.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
To Jim Harbaugh. I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
So in basketball, they have the Basketball Hall of Fame.
You could be a Harlem globetrotter and make a basketball
Hall of Fame. Football is different. There's the Pro football
Hall of Fame and then there's the college football Hall
of Fame. But I was thinking this morning that if
you combined it like basketball and it was just there
was a football Hall of Fame, you could count college
(05:38):
and pro. I would make an argument today the greatest
coach in the history of football is not Bill Belichick
or Bill Walsh or Vince Lombardi. It's Jim Harball. The
greatest coach ever. Think about this. He's never failed. He's
five for five at San Diego, Stanford, Sanforanrancisco forty nine Ers,
Michigan and the Chargers. He's never failed, save in an
(06:00):
urban unbelievable college legends, struggled in the NFL. He's also
not tied to a single player. What's Belichick without Brady?
Not great? The only person that kind of compares to
him is Jimmy Johnson, my friend and your friend, Jimmy Johnson.
Great in college, great in the pros, but even Jimmy
(06:23):
took over a Hurricanes program that had won a Natty
and they won after he left. And then he took
over the Dolphins, and the previous two years they were
like ten and six and nine and seven before he
got there, and then he left, and then Dave launched
that took over, and Dave got him to the playoffs.
With Hardball, He's taken over five messes. They're all very
(06:46):
good by year two, some by year one. And when
he leaves, the Niners were unwatchable for four years after
he left. He went from Super Bowl too. Is this
the worst team in the league. I mean, it's unbelieved.
He left Stanford a couple of years with Davis Shaw.
(07:07):
Now Stanford not good, not close for several years and
so and I think a lot of it. I mean,
it's like hardball takes stuff and one one day it's
bar Rescue. In the next day it's Michelin Star. And
it's amazing to watch Justin Herbert. We all knew Justin
Herbert was good, it wasn't a matter of that. But
if you look at Justin Herbert's last three seasons with
(07:28):
Brandon Staley, he'd become an average quarterback ninety three passer rating.
If you look at the last two seasons twenty games,
nineteen games with Jim Harbaugh, he's in a running for
the best quarterback in the league. And now Jim was
a quarterback, so he's very good at that. But the
defense was last. It's now first college and pro. Now
(07:49):
it's harder in college. Stanford and Michigan took some years,
although they got very good very quickly. But like at Stanford,
it's hard to get players in and they were the
worst program in college football.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
When he could over but very quickly.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
He went to usc and Pete Carroll is a forty
one point underdog and won in the coliseum without many players.
Pete Carroll even recruited, and I really think it's very rare.
He takes over messes. They're good immediately, and when he leaves,
they're awful. And my question is why, I mean, as
great as Jimmy Johnson is. He left the Cowboys, they
(08:23):
won a Super Bowl. He left the Hurricanes, they want
to nanny. He left the Dolphins, they made the playoffs.
And the only thing I could wrap my brain around
is that when Jimmy Johnson left, you lost a great coach.
When Jim Harbaugh leaves, you lose the soul of the franchise.
He is so authentic, such a unicorn, such a unique personality.
(08:47):
Eric Mangini years ago was in the offices of the
San Francisco forty nine ers, and he's been around Belichick
and great coaches, and I asked him about Harbaugh and
he said, yeah, I've never been around a coach like
Jim Harbaugh. And he's been around a lot of great coaches.
He goes, there's nobody like hardball. It's not about the meetings.
It's the personality, the relentlessness, the obsession with football. He
(09:09):
is obsessed with football. He leaves an organization, you don't
lose a good coach, you lose your personality. And I
had Julian Edelman yesterday, I said, how do you change
a culture everywhere you go that quickly?
Speaker 6 (09:27):
You can get fundamentals down, not turn the ball over,
not beat yourself with pre snap penalties. That's how you
change a culture right away, not with all the talking,
not with this. It's with the actions that they are
showing that they're doing.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
So they've looked very good.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
And I think when a coach comes in and establishes
that if he wants to be a tough football team,
tough football teams don't beat themselves.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
And Herbert's interceptions, Herbert's turnovers under Staley go up under Harball,
the mostly disappear. So I mean, I think if you
counted all coaches, usually there's always been this sense that
a college football coach has a certain personality. You know,
he's kind of glibb he's got to talk to the donors,
he's got to be a great recruiter. But the NFL guys,
(10:15):
they're kind of academic, they're miserable. They look all a
little overweight and a little tired under thirteenth cup of coffee.
And there's something that Harbad does that. And what's most remarkable.
Michigan was a mess, Stanford was a mess, The Niners
were a mess. He makes them great. He leaves there
is a noticeable drop off overnight, noticeable, and I think, again,
(10:39):
he's not a coach, he's he is a soul of
a program. And you're just I mean, it's like when
Steve Jobs left Apple. You didn't just lose a smart guy.
He was the soul of Apple. Phil Knight briefly stepped
away from Nike years and years a couple decades ago.
Like overnight, stock plummeted, fills the vision, fills the soul.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Of Nike. So here we are. You know what else?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I made sure I wanted to talk one more day.
Jay Mack about a guy.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Now, he's a little bit of a gunslinger, he's a
little old school. But Baker Mayfield, Oh yeah, there's a
stat and I think this speaks well of Baker Mayfield.
The two quarterbacks in the league that have had the
most interception worthy throws are b Nicks and Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
And I was thinking as I was writing.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
This morning, I was writing notes for the Harbaugh Thing rant,
and I thought, you know, what makes Baker great is
that in Cleveland his personality was seen as flammable. He's
kind of the same guy in Tampa. But it's not
a flammable franchise. But the fact that he leads the
NFL right now in interception worthy.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Throws, it speaks to who he is. He is a gunslinger.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
He is a lot of farv and I think that's
incredibly appealing to a lot of football fans.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Totally agree.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
And he actually ties into your earlier point about JJ
McCarthy because just imagine if the Cleveland Browns has had
had some patience with Baker Mayfield, they wouldn't be cycling
through a litany of quarterbacks every year looking for a guy.
I think that's a great point. Baker has that gunslinger.
It didn't work in Cleveland, but it necessarily wasn't Baker's fault,
(12:22):
right because Baker is an excellent quarterback right now. Me
he was one of the leaders in yards and touchdowns
last year.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I also think Tampa is a different feel. I think
Baker's matured.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I think.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I think the Browns are just a flammable organization. Stefanski's
brought the temperature down considerably. But even with Stefanski, they
guaranteed Deshan Watson the contract they drafted to her Sanders
and nobody thinks Stefansky and Andrew Berry wanted him. So that's
just who they are. And when you combine Baker's kind
of raw personality with that culture, it just didn't feel right.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
He's kind I'm the same guy, primatured a little, but
it feels perfect in Tampa because it's not a flammable organization.
It's kind of it's almost a sleepy organization.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
Yeah, I think if you're doing top ten quarterbacks, you
cannot leave Baker out of the top ten.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
All right. Right now? He's absolutely in it.
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Hey, I mean in not just two games last season,
he was incredible.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
This season before that, he was very very good. He
is playing out of his mind.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Yeah.
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Speaker 1 (13:59):
You know, certain people had been born too early or
too late. You know, Magic Johnson would have been a
good basketball player, but he was so physically big for
the point guard position six'. Eight now you've got a
lot of big. Guards he also was not a great.
Shooter now THE nba is about. SHOOTING i, Mean Steph
(14:20):
curry would have worked much better now than later because
he took shots that you weren't allowed to take in the, seventies, eighties.
NINETIES i don't care how good you were at shooting.
Them that the math hadn't been figured out in THE,
nba And Steph curry would have been shooting them and
they would have, said, well you're hitting thirty eight percent of,
them And steph would have, said, yeah but if you
do threes and. Twos it took the analytics community to convince,
(14:45):
people and it still The lakers forever would not embrace
the three point. Shot So Steph curry born in the perfect,
era a small, guy not, physical not a great, defender
but his, shot which has been totally because the sport,
changed like the sport, changed AND, i you, KNOW i
(15:07):
just think the reality Is Baker mayfield has had a
great couple of years In. Tampa but it used to
Be staubach And aikman And Terry bradshaw And Dan. Fout
you got drafted by a team and you crossed your.
Fingers they would eventually get you the right. Coach Eventually
Dan fouts Gets Don coriel, right and Eventually elway Gets.
(15:31):
Shanahan but you kind of just stayed with your. Team
but young, gms now gms are. Younger everybody. TRADES i,
Mean Micah parsons just got traded to a great team
in the same, Conference Green bay From. Dallas and so
if you look At baker's first five years in THE,
nfl if he'd have been born in nineteen, fifty NINETEEN
(15:52):
thi it would have been. Done he was under five,
hundred his passer rating was mid. Eighties he completed sixty
one percent of his. Throws he had one hundred touchdown,
passes sixty five.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Picks he would have never been given other.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Opportunities but in this, era Sleepy, tampa which has always
been able to get the roster right but Until brady
could never get the quarterback, right looked around and, said
well mcvayh liked. Him he didn't get to a playoff In,
cleveland and they put their arms around. Him and And
tampa's a very sleepy. Brand like we all know the
(16:26):
great brands in THE, nfl like The niners and The
eagles and The, ravens and They're. Steelers and then we
all know the bad. Brands they can't get out of
their own, way you, know The jets and The panthers
At cleveland And chicago a. Lot tampa is one of
those that's much closer to the top than the. Bottom
people tend to think they're in the. Middle but since
two thousand and, two The buccaneers have more playoff wins Than,
(16:48):
buffalo The, vikings a well run, team The, broncos by the,
way they have More Super bowl wins in that time
than The niners and The cowboys And, oh by the,
way Only New england In Kansas city the last twenty
three years in THE nfl have More Super. Bowls they're
on a long list of two or a short. List
So tampa's always been well. Run they just can't get
(17:09):
the quarterback. Right and they've got quiet, owners a GREAT,
Gm Mike, Evans Chris. Godwin now they've got another young star.
Receiver it's never been a personnel issue In. Tampa they've
HAD i covered them years. Ago they've always had. Players
BUT i Think tampa is one of those sneaky good.
Businesses BUT i Think Baker mayfield And Sam darnold deserves,
(17:32):
this And Geno, smith they would not have been able
to get these massive contracts and get a third or
a fourth. Team people gave up on. You people just
gave up on. You here, is by the, Way Baker
mayfield with The Kelsey brothers this summer talking about the
fit In.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Tampa this isn't the put on the other team.
Speaker 9 (17:55):
Franchises when you step in and YOUR gm and your
head coach, say, hey just be. You, yeah After i've
been told at every stop and EVERYWHERE i, go, hey
you need to tone it down a little. Bit you
need to be a franchise. Quarterback it's just not WHO i,
Am LIKE i where are my emotions on my? Sleeves
we've hung, out you guys know. Me i'm gonna, Talk
(18:15):
i'm gonna do. Whatever but when it's time to turn
the lights on and go do, Something i'm gonna do.
It so WHEN i stepped into the, building they all
told me to just be. Myself and so it's been
not to say like, comfortable but it's felt like home
since the.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Beginning, yeah and it. Does it looks like, home and
it feels like.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Home and THE nfl now is a very transactional. League
and it's been great For Baker mayfield because you go
look at those first five.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Seasons he didn't suddenly get more.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Talented he got bad, fits weird, cities bitter media five.
Seasons then in the, seventies nobody is rolling the dice
and say you're our. Guy he feels like a perfect
fit In. Tampa AND i DO i believe you, KNOW
i always hear about you, know young people are. Struggling
(19:01):
young people are struggling with their mental. Health AND i
do think some people have old school. Mentality they want
to stay in their, hometown and society's gotten incredibly transactional
and fast and. Fluid in my, industry there's a change
every six. Months some people just aren't built for. It
they were born too.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Late baker got it.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
RIGHT i, mean this is a great, story but it
wasn't a story that feels that possible even like fifteen years.
Ago the league's gotten incredibly. Transactional young gms are willing
to trade.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
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Speaker 3 (19:44):
App Mark sanchez is now JOINING us.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Live he got The cardinals at The niners This, sunday
which is fascinating because you, KNOW i was Watching Mac
jones AND i, mean obviously there's certain. Coaches Shane steike
and Made Daniel jones ten for ten in his first ten,
Drive like clearly where you land as a. Quarterback it's incredibly.
Valuable what is it About? SHANAHAN i joke that his
(20:10):
playbook should be Called quarterback For. Dummies it's virtually impossible
not to. Work but what is it About Mac? Jones,
looked that's the best pro Game i've ever. Seen Mac
jones have on the. Road they asked him to throw forty.
Times what is it about the playbook Of. Shanahan here's
WHAT i would equate it.
Speaker 10 (20:28):
To if you're a coordinator worth your, salt you're like
A gps for. Quarterbacks it doesn't matter who's. Driving i'm
going to give you a roadmap And i'm going to
provide you with turn by turn. Directions you just got
to execute these plays for me and stay out of.
Trouble just stay in the center lane fifty five miles
an hour.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
And do WHAT i tell. You.
Speaker 10 (20:48):
Right sometimes you're gonna have to go off. Script sometimes
you're gonna have to go fill up for, gas whatever it.
Is but they're gonna give you the. Roadmap so the,
MCVEIGH'S i, mean Remember sean. McVeigh he Brought baker mayfh
in for like less than twenty four hours.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
And beat The raiders in a two minute.
Speaker 10 (21:04):
Drive kevin O'Connell's done it with different, players But shanahan
specifically With Mac, jones and he started the game pretty.
Shaky and when you read some of those articles about
postgame And Trent williams going up to talk to him
and getting him to relax a little, bit and then
he just looks so, comfortable and you can really appreciate
(21:26):
when a coach can handle, that and that truly tells me.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
If this coordinator is any.
Speaker 10 (21:32):
Good that's like the ultimate way of determining if the
coordinator's worth. It how many different quarterbacks have played for,
you and what does it look like when your superstar
is not playing for You Andy reid for. Example you
Know donovan, McNabb Jeff, Garcia Kevin, cobb you name, It Patrick,
mahomes different, styles different, attributes but they're all going to
have some level of. Success Jimmy, Garoppolo Brock, perdy Now Mac.
(21:57):
Jones so this is no different For Kyle. Shannan the
thing That i'm almost more impressed with is how he's
doing it with THE o, line the PATCHWORK o line
that they're having to use right now because they're banged,
up and they still find a way to get the
ball to the playmakers and get the quarterback to play
at a high.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
LEVEL i know you've looked At. Arizona ten teams in
the league are two and oh ten or zero and.
Two we know that doesn't mean, everything But, Arizona arizona to,
me has a lot of good. PLAYERS i don't know
if they have the, depth the consistent line. Play they're
two and oh now they face The. Niners do you
Buy arizona's two and oh? Start because The Rams rams,
(22:34):
Started denver Started baltimore last, year started off slowly and
made the. Playoffs two and oh doesn't guarantee.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Anything it doesn't guarantee.
Speaker 10 (22:42):
Anything, however stealing these wins early on does set you
up for success later on in the. Year you're not
chasing potentially another team and keeps you in pace for
the divisional.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Race the themes there really.
Speaker 10 (22:57):
ARE i do Think Jonathan gannon's brought a strong culture
to their, team and it's a balanced offense With Drew
petzig and Basically Kyler murray's playing efficient.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Football he's avoiding a lot of the negative.
Speaker 10 (23:12):
Plays it's it's making the timely throws And James connor
his ability to run down, heel run down hill.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Sules the play. Action that's what really gets this team.
Speaker 10 (23:23):
Going and Then kyler picking and choosing his spots to.
RUN i, MEAN i know people make the joke, about you,
know the way he. Runs he kind of looks like
The toddler running around with the remote control and nobody
can catch, him, like he just can't corral. Him and
so when he does that the right, way gets, down
doesn't get, hits and then decides to make throws as
he extends plays and completes. THEM i, mean it's some
(23:46):
of the best in the. League you can put them
up there With Josh allen And Lamar jackson in those extended,
plays scramble mode. Situations my only concern is the mounting.
Injuries that's really going to test the depth and sustainability
of this. Defense Remember Jonathan, gannon he wants to confuse
you with some of those looks in the back, end
(24:07):
and they're down a ton of. Players their defensive backs are.
Depleted so how exotic can you get with these? Coverages
how much when you get exotic with, coverages you better.
Communicate so it's going to be more of an emphasis
on guys like To baker to stabilize that unit in
the back.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
End So.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Nick sirianni always surprised. ME i THOUGHT i did his
first press. Conference i'd call people in the league and they're,
LIKE i don't know if he's quite ready to be
a head coaching. Job But he's really done a good,
job and he works in that city with that, culture
AND i, think by the, WAY i think it's also
fair to say that people do get better at their,
jobs not just quarterbacks but. Coaches Brian SCHOTTENHEIMER i was
(24:47):
told by PEOPLE i trust he hadn't interviewed for a
head job. Forever he was kind of an old school offensive.
Guy and Then i've watched them the first two. Weeks
dak looks. Great clock management's, good not a lot of.
Penalties they're getting the. BALL i, mean they've created run.
LANES i, MEAN i gotta be, Honest i'm. SURPRISED i
(25:07):
thought this team could be a bit of a. MESS
i think they've overachieved. Offensively you've watched. Them you Know,
schottenheimer do you? Not?
Speaker 10 (25:15):
Yeah, well he was my coordinator for my first three
years in THE nfl and the year BEFORE i got,
There so two thousand and eight he was a coordinator
For brett fav they Acquired brett Favre.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Well schottenheimer was a.
Speaker 10 (25:27):
Disciple of The zampzi system And North turner, system so
that was all. Numbers he basically used three numbers to
tell THE, x THE, y and THE z receivers where to,
go and then you'll add a tag for your slot
receiver on what his route.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Is, Well Brett, farve that didn't jive with. Him he
was a words.
Speaker 10 (25:47):
Guy he was an old School West coast, guy and
so there was a clash. There, Well shotty adapted the whole,
system came up with code words That Brett farv. Used
so WHEN i get, there he basically asked, me all,
right what do you want to? Do because the, coaches
the other players on the, team we might know the
system that we ran last, year but just because we
can talk about, it if the quarterback can't talk about,
(26:09):
it we're all getting fired.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Anyway so what hits your?
Speaker 10 (26:12):
Brain AND i know for a fact the last few
years working with McCarthy And dak keeping some of those core,
principles inserting some of the stuff that he's used throughout
his storied and long career in THE. Nfl he's been
a coach for over twenty, years just never a head.
Coach he's got the pedigree because of his dad and
(26:33):
all the success That Marty schottenheimer had In Kansas. City
so he was, primed poised and ready to. Go and
now he's got history With. Dak they're speaking the same.
Language and then the last point Is dak's. Health when he's,
healthy he's recognizing, stuff he's communicating with his. Coordinator he's
executing at a high. Level and it's. Obvious it's. PALPABLE i,
(26:54):
mean look at the clip after the game of these
guys in the locker room celebrating an absolute monster win
in overtime against the divisional. Rival and he, said on this,
team we celebrate really cool. Stuff and so he calls
out each guy's accomplishments from the. Game so and so
scored a, touchdown, yes and the team is like fired.
(27:15):
Up those kind of, moments that's why you do, It.
Colin as a former, player that's what you. Miss the bus,
rides the plane, rides the locker rooms after the. Game
you can tell they have something special going In dallas.
Now it's just avoiding all the outside noise that's inherently
a part of The cowboys and continuing to build that
culture that he.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Started, yeah and it also should be noted when you're
building a coach, culture it.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Does you need buy.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
In and they have looked real exeter so pro athletes
need buy. In you can't you can't just keep pounding the,
table and so good For Brian. Schottenneimer, okay you did
The Seahawks steelers, game which was a fascinating get a second,
HALF i mean between the snaffoo on special teams And seattle's.
Defense so to start With, pittsburgh BECAUSE i had said
(28:02):
coming into the, season they haven't been able to create
cohesion in their run game for seven. Years And aaron
just came from The jets who didn't run, well and
now he's going to The, steelers AND i, said it's
gonna look like a better version of The. JETS a
forty one year old quarterback who doesn't want to run
around without a run. Game that is all big. Ask
(28:22):
so let's take give us some of your video you bring.
Tape what did you see From aaron good, player bad
play that you liked or didn't?
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Well.
Speaker 10 (28:30):
LISTEN i Think aaron's going to get to the answer
a little more quickly than a lot of players playing
because of his history in this, league because of all
the reps that have mounted up over. TIME i do
Think Arthur smith and him have put together something. SPECIAL
i think they're still trying to figure out how to
USE dk Metcalf Calvin, austin you know some of their tight, Ends,
(28:51):
Friarmouth Johnny, smith trying to figure out exactly how these
pieces fit into their offense and get them in success
success positions. Essentially But aaron's done plenty to win these
first two. Games they happen to lose this most recent,
one and everything started to go downhill after this. Interception
(29:12):
so we're going to start rolling the clip here in a,
second but just keep in mind he had just Tied
Brett farv for number four all time in passing touchdowns before.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
This this was to Surpass Brett.
Speaker 10 (29:23):
Favre and this is an elite play By Aaron rodgers
and a mishap By Calvin. Austin so they're using a
formation out to the right that they used earlier in the,
game and Now rogers is, signaling so he's kind of
like counterpunching off of a jab earlier that he threw
a touchdown TO dk metcalf. On now we saw This Chris,
Jones Kansas City Chiefs, Chargers week. One if that defensive
(29:45):
end wraps inside and leaves the outside lane, open this
is what you're talking. About a defensive rush that has
to be in. Sync so boy and mafelects to go.
Inside Jaron reid, says, HEY i got to cover the.
Outside Aaron rodgers to the, right nothing's. There look how
fast he processes realize the defensive end is inside and gets.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Outside the guy's forty one years.
Speaker 10 (30:08):
Old he just had achille surgery two years, ago and
he's about to throw one of the best THROWS i
saw all weekend and break the record to be number
four all time and passing touchdowns To. Friarmouth That's friarmuth's,
position the back pylon right. There he's running a route
that keeps him. There red zone, low red, zone scramble rules.
(30:30):
FACING i need somebody at the back. PILON i need
somebody at the front. Pilon Aaron rodgers is throwing this
thing to a spot where only his guy can get.
It these rules and the integrity of these rules are.
Paramount calvin Austen i said it on, air brings ants
to the. Picnic you can't go interfere with that. Lane
(30:50):
your position is the front. Pilon if he doesn't mess
with that, football that's a. Touchdown in this. Game we're
singing a very different tune about The Steelers rogers intered
it in.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
His press conference after the.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
Game it's exactly the way we broke it, down not
just in this clip but in the game, live and
those kind of. Mistakes we're talking that kind of margin of.
Air we're talking three to six yards of difference in
positioning and, spacing and it's a completely different. Ballgame incredible
play By, aaron complete blunder By Calvin. Austin he's got
(31:22):
to get, better and remember his low red zone scramble rules.
Integrity now moving on To Sam. Darnold Think, kubiak his.
COORDINATOR i just thought he really put him in great
positions this, weekend and he's doing some old school kind
Of West Coast Shanahan kubiak kind of. Stuff he's going under,
center five step plant and ripping the ball down the.
(31:45):
Field you just don't see that, anymore especially.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Near the goal.
Speaker 10 (31:48):
Line so go ahead and roll the, clip AND i
want you to Watch sam's eyes, integrity his eye, Integrity
how quick that ball pops out of his hand on
a five step drop. Plant you just don't see it.
Anymore so this is like a throwback twenty years. Ago
you Saw lway do, That marino do, that but here's
the concept basically up top And jigba's on that, post
and that's really your alert down here at the bottom
(32:11):
the three. Receivers that's a concept that you'll get to
if the alert is not. Open and when you realize
that alert isn't, open and you See Patrick, queen the
middle linebacker number, six adjusting to your formation and shaded
to the, right you gotta hold your eyes for those
first five steps and move him slightly to the left
to create a window to throw this ball To, barner.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Their tight end second year man out Of.
Speaker 10 (32:35):
Michigan so watch the steps, one, two, three, four five balls.
OUT i, mean come, On, colin that's, like that's like
the old combine. Drills that's you, know old school, lway
like you just don't see players do that. Anymore AND
(32:55):
i love That Clint kobak still employing those.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
THINGS i Love sam's eyes on that. Play it.
Speaker 10 (33:01):
Was it was a real nostalgic moment and a key
moment for The seahawks to get a.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Victory by the, way let me before we wrap it,
Up Justin, herbert a head coach of often in THE,
nfl can help with. Personnel offensive coaches tend to be
better at developing run games and offensive. Lines if you
look the last six or seven, years the better offensive
lines in THE nfl at the end of the year
are offensive Coaches. Harbaugh i'm Watching Justin herbert's first nineteen
(33:30):
games With, harbaugh AND i go back to his last
twenty games With, staley AND i don't know exactly what it,
is BUT i, mean, stylistically he looks the. Same he's still, big,
smart moves, well but he has cleaned up Something hardball's
cleaned up. Something he just doesn't turn it. Over and
(33:52):
is that eliminating plays from a? PLAYBOOK i, mean because
the receiving course still feels a guy. Short how do
you what Is harbaugh doing? Here in your, opinion it
just feels Like i'm getting just a, cleaner Tighter Justin.
Herbert still big step, moves still big, arm still, accurate
(34:14):
but it's.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Different what do you think it.
Speaker 10 (34:16):
IS i think he's starting to reach that point in
his career where his, structure the protocols in, place the
preparation and understanding the reads are really starting to fall in.
Line that rolodex of coverages that you've seen versus specific
(34:37):
plays are just coming up to the forefront of his,
mind and he's also understanding this is where this is
where quarterbacks really take the next step in their maturation.
Process we're not just running plays on the field. Ever in,
practice you're running a bunch of, plays but you're practicing specific.
Situations and when the call comes in the, headset DO
(34:59):
i know why the play caller gave me that?
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Play what's the play caller's?
Speaker 10 (35:04):
Purpose if you can answer that clearly and succinctly as
soon as the play call comes, in you have an
excellent chance to be successful on that play and you
can tell it's. Happening the one THING i will, say you,
KNOW i understand the contrast To staley Versus harbaugh defensive
guy to offensive, guy but don't FORGET i, mean they
were up twenty eight to nothing in a playoff game
(35:25):
In jacksonville and absolutely blew. It and that wasn't all Justin, herbert,
RIGHT i, Mean Joey boksa got a penalty for slamming
his helmet, Down, like you, know come, On SO i
think things change there if you win that playoff. Game
BUT i think part of this is just timing wise With,
herbert he still has the athleticism he's like the prime
(35:48):
of your. Career to, me you still have the, athleticism
but now you have the, Knowledge now you have the,
experience and now you can get to the answer faster
than a lot of other players because you're an elite.
Process and so it's all coming together For Justin. Herbert you,
know maybe it's a new, girlfriend maybe it's the new offensive.
SYSTEM i don't, know but whatever it, is it's working
(36:10):
and it's awesome to.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
See, yeah it really is one of the really nice.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Guys, mark that was, great absolutely primo stuff, Today and
Enjoy cardinals at The. Niners that's going to be a
good that game is through, years they've given The niners
a lot of. Trouble they've matched up, well so that's
going to be a great watch On. Fox as, Always
Mark sanchez delivers J mac Your Arizona. Cardinals you picked
them as your shocking team in THE, nfl AND i
(36:35):
gotta be honest with, YOU i should have had them last.
WEEKEND i THINK i like The. Niners let me just remind.
Speaker 7 (36:42):
You in that opener against The, Saints Juwan johnson catches
a touchdown pass to tiet but the ball gets, dislodged
So they didn't cover against The panthers and they barely
covered against The.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Saints those are like bottom five teams in the.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
League So arizona needs to close the door when they
go up twenty seven to.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Three colin to run away and. Hide don't.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Disagree, yeah but they've given The niners trouble through the.
Years they Have Kyler murray running around is given that
defensive front seven some.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
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