September 19, 2025 • 38 mins
Colin Cowherd breaks down the Buffalo Bills dominant Thursday Night Football win over the Miami Dolphins and dives into why Josh Allen's growth—especially in limiting turnovers—makes this 3-0 start so impressive. Then, Colin unveils his Blazing 5 picks for Week 3, including top matchups like Rams v Eagles and Cowboys v Bears. Plus, NFL insider Robert Mays from The Athletic joins the show to discuss:
- Why the Eagles' offense is a serious concern
- What makes Jim Harbaugh a game-changing coach for the Chargers
- Why Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott is like the Foo Fighters
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
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am you know, j Mac. Sometimes you're watching history and
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you understand it. I remember being a kid and watching
Hank Aaron break Babe Bruce record with a home run
Fulton County Stadium in Atlanta. And other times you're watching
history and you're not necessarily aware of it because it's
not just statistics. You are watching something that really we've
maybe never seen. And I felt that watching Josh Allen
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last night, and that's where I'm going to start the
show today. So if you didn't watch last night's game.
The easiest way I would describe it is the team
with the less talented quarterback that makes more mistakes lost
to the team that has the much more talented quarterback
that makes no mistakes. The Bills last night scored thirty
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one points and had no turnovers, second team in league
history to start the season with three straight games thirty
plus points, zero turnovers. Josh Allen, through hard work and coaching,
has eliminated his only flaw, reckless. And what's remarkable is
my entire life. I said this on the air many times.
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It's the one thing I didn't think coaches could mostly
coach you out of because anybody I ever met in
high school that was reckless at seventeen, if I saw
him again thirty years later, they were reckless at forty seven.
I always thought it was a DNA thing. I always
thought it was just kind of a personality thing. Reckless
guy early is reckless guy at fifty five years old.
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And it shows you how humble and also how self
aware Josh Allen is. Since the start of last season,
forty eight touchdowns with Josh Allen eight giveaways, the Bills
have not lost the turnover battle in a season and
a half twenty five games. I mean, and he doesn't
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play favorites. Everybody eats nine different guys caught passes. I
mean I loved Andrew Luck and we all love Brett Faarr.
You couldn't get the reckless out of them. I mean
Matt Stafford the year he won the Super Bowl with
the Rams. Did you know he led the NFL and interceptions?
Eli Manning twice beat Tom Brady times. He led the
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NFL and picks. So I've always loved guys like Elway
who's aggressive, and Peyton Manning that's aggressive, But you can't
you can't eliminate the interceptions. To have this much talent
and horsepower, and Josh is the biggest, strongest, best arm
To have all this horse power and yet be willing
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to put on restrict plates is insane. You are watching history.
This makes absolutely no sense. I mean, the quarterbacks that
we all love, we love the gunslinger part. And then
Josh Allen came into the league, and he was a
bit of a gunslinger, but smart enough, humble enough, self
aware enough realizing that's not the sport. Brady and Mahomes
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didn't throw picks. And so Josh Allen with all that horsepower,
with that V twelve engine, it's like, now I'm gonna
go electric. I'm not gonna do that. So he's like
similar to a prodigious home run hitter that changed his swing,
doesn't hit the ball quite as far, but now doesn't
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strike out twenty twenty five. Josh Allen shouldn't exist. You
should not be that gifted, that fast, that talented jump
over linebackers. Yeah, he never throws interceptions because usually I mean,
you know, if you have a great voice, you're singing
in the car, you're singing in the shower, you may
be singing professionally, you want to show it off. Usually
six to six guys with that engine and that ability,
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I mean, they are letting it rip. Josh get You
get all the upside and you get none of the downside.
I mean, listen to this. His last twelve games including
the playoffs, thirty total touchdowns, one pick that makes no sense.
His ability to control, you know, have the discipline to
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not just I'm gonna let it rip and throw it
through that coverage is unbelievable. And last night it may
not be as visually impressive, but he is so mature.
Now he is so thoughtful, he is so paced, but
you still get the big engine. And he talked about
like last night, you're like, oh, why why isn't Buffalo
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putting them away? It's a different Buffalo team. The previous
iteration of Buffalo was scoring thirty five points. They couldn't
beat the Chiefs like it was winning a lot. It
wasn't winning the games that mattered. To win the games
that matter, you can't turn it over. Gott to pull
back the horsepower a little bit. Here's Josh after.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I think there's obviously times throw games where the situation
dictates you to maybe put the pedal down a little
bit more, and there's sometimes where it's like, hey, just
take it easy, relax. I wouldn't say played the long game,
but just understanding where you're at, you know, within the
situation of the game, and not trying to force anything.
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You know, we saw that tonight, just kind of staying
same as calm as possible, you know, and just being
prepared for any situation that we were going to be in.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
They look a little bit more like Philadelphia, don't they.
They just kind of squeeze it, squeeze you and squeeze
you and eventually win the turnover battle and make two
or three big plays late. That doesn't mean Josh can't
be a superhero. He can't put on the cape, but
he is right now. This is a super Bowl team.
I don't love their defense, but not every Brady team
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had a great defense. You remember that Nick Foles super Bowl.
I mean not every team that gets to that game
has a great defense. We all have to give a
little once you pay the quarterback a lot of money.
But what you're seeing now feels like a super Bowl
winning team, so smart horsepower without the mistakes. So I
was I was reading a tweet this morning from Mike Renner.
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He said, the tragic thing going forward for the Dolphins
is that Tua's cap number is higher than Josh Allen's
the next four years. I think you could there's waste
if to lower that, you could, you know, you restructure it,
you could cut him whatever. But it is interesting watching
two last night is that NFL general managers got into
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this weird space for about ten years where they convinced
themselves size doesn't matter for quarterbacks. From twenty seventeen or
twenty twelve to twenty twenty three, Russell Wilson, Johnny Manziel
to a Bryce Young, Kyler Murray. Yeah, how are they
all doing well? What about Jalen Hurts? The Eagles throw
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the ball less than every team in the league since
the by last year they throw even less. The organization
is telling you, yeah, we don't want our smaller quarterback
having to look over six to seven offensive lineman and throw.
We're gonna throw about twenty three times a game. We're
gonna roll a mounta and throw. Even when we throw
it's not downfield now, it's a slant here, a slant there.
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So don't give me Jalen Hurts. The Eagles have moved
off him, becoming a traditional pocket quarterback. You want to
know who is winning a lot of games right now?
Big tall Justin Herbert and Mahomes and Allen and Jordan
Love and Lamar Jackson and Golf and Matt Stafford and
Joe Burrell. Yes, offensive lineman now are six seven and
a half. Regularly, size has always mattered. Drew Brees is
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the exception. He is the outlier. He is the only
small quarterback who had sustained greatness for fifteenth great years.
And Sean Payton was some of that, but mostly he
was the most obsessed with accuracy quarterback of my life.
Drew Brees is the outlier. Size didn't matter that much.
But when I watched two in Josh Allen, every single
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time I watched them, I always think the same thing.
And when they play each other on the same field, yea,
I'm gonna take the bigger, stronger guy to a smaller
doesn't have a big arm. Don't want him in windy weather.
You got to protect him. So I mean, I guess
again the thing that size matters in all sports. I mean,
you could probably have a six eleven and a half jockey,
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but it it would look weird and it doesn't feel
right on that horse. I think your quarterbacks have to
be about six to one up. I'm sorry, I'll take
the bigger, stronger guy. And by the way, tuas record
against winning teams in his career as ten and twenty,
those winning teams overwhelmingly have bigger, stronger quarterbacks with better arms.
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So there's a reason boxing in UFC have weight categories.
So it's nothing against to it. But I think that
interception he threw he's been playing football for too long.
In Hawaii at Alabama and Miami. I think that interception
he through to that linebacker. Honestly, I don't think he
saw him. Here's Tua on that game ceiling interception by
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the Bills.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I thought I was in rhythm and timing of the
play seeing the flat defender go over the top of Jalen.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Jalen's turning around.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I think that was really good play by the defender.
And you know, had had some color in my face
trying to maneuver the throw as well. But I ten
out of ten times if we're looking at that same thing,
you know, I think I'd still try to work that
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timing of hitting that that spot. And I think the
linebacker made a great play on that.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I don't. I think he threw it right to him
because he didn't see him. That was not a great play.
It was thrown right to him. And there's things I
like about to h but don't tell me size doesn't
matter jockey's quarterbacks. I want one small, one big, just
the way it is, Jamact. I think one of the
more interesting games this weekend Blazing five to fifty minutes
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from now. I like mine Pegs well, I liked him
last week. I think one of the more interesting games,
and I think it's going to be a shootout is
the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
And the Bears.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
It's going to be really, really entertaining because neither one
of these defenses has their act together. Jalen Johnson, I
think is still out for the Bears, their best corner.
And when you let go Micah, I mean, we've seen
what Micah has added to the Packers. You eliminate him
from the Cowboys and you don't get as consistent the
playmaking off the edge. So I am fascinated by the
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Cowboys and the Bears, and I've got I've got the
Bears don't have to win, but I will have a
definitive opinion Sunday night if something doesn't happen. Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Hey to go back to that Tua interception real quick.
I don't know if they can roll the footage, but Colin,
something you didn't discuss.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
If you watch the right guard on that play, he.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Gets destroyed at the line of scrimmage by ninety six.
Tua has zero time at all to analyze anything. He's
got under a second if you watch that swim move,
and so he's got to make his first read and
of course the linebacker read it. I actually, if you
watch it, I don't think that plays totally on Tua.
I know it's tough to defend him and you want
to go to the height, but his offensive line has
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been terrible every year he's been in Miami.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Awful.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Go look at their rankings according to Pro Football Focus. Yeah,
and you really can't win without one. Well, he can't
win without one. Josh Allen did not have a great
offensive line. He had a great left tackle, but Josh
Allen's early OH lines were not great. And by the way,
Patrick Mahomes has gotten the Super Bowls with average offensive lines.
Joe Burrow's gotten super bowls with bad offensive lines.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
He can't.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
He has to have. I don't know that he can.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
You're saying you would consider dumping to a like the
Russell Wilson thing in Denver, just take the dead gap
hit and move on.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Well, I think if you cut him the first of all,
I think he'd have a market. Absolutely would have a market.
I would put him in a Dome team. I think
he would have a market. I think again, I don't
think two is a bad quarterback, but you have to
have certain things for him to be a playoff quarterback
Joe Burrow went on the road with an atrocious offensive
line and was a play away from winning a Super Bowl.
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Joe Burrow six three and a half. So there are
things with a smaller quarterback you have to have work
shallon Burrow. I mean, look at Mahomes. Mahomes gets to
super Bowls with bad receiving course, shaky offensive lines, bad
left tackles, and no running game. Right, Yeah, he's not
Mahomes of Burrough. And I think one of the truer
elements is that Burrough's different than Mahomes, is different than Alan,
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that's different than Herbert. They're all big, strong men. They're
all big, strong men of size.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
The only guys I can find who have been under
six to two to win Super Bowls Jalen Hurts, Russell Wilson,
Drew Brees, now Joe Montana depending where he's listed six
one sixty two. But you're right, not a lot of
them in the last forty years.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
But I mean, just it's just it's the I'm not
anti smaller quarterback. Baker Mayfield's not big. What I'm saying
is this idea for a decade that it didn't matter. Yeah,
it does Bryce Young feels small and Kyler Murray from
the pocket consistently you don't get it, and the Eagles
are acknowledging with Jalen Hurts prefer we be a run team.
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They're running six of the time. He has more tush
push attempts than balls thrown down field this year and
that's by design. Coming up next, what Caleb Williams does
have to do against the Cowboys.
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Speaker 1 (14:54):
Blazing five Let's blaze it up right it up. It's
Collins Blazon five rams at Eagles. I'm gonna take the
Rams plus three and a half, best second half team
in the league. Stafford's the highest rated quarterback, but more
than anything, it's the number one scoring defense in the league.
Both opponents held under twenty Not only are they getting
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to the quarterback eight sacks from six different players. This
defensive front is gnarly. And the Eagles offense they have
three plays, just three plays all year over twenty yards.
It's a bb gun. Despite a great o line in
Saquon Barkley. I don't get the number. Eagles offense trying
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to find its way, Rams defense getting better by the quarter.
I'm gonna take the Rams to upset them. Twenty seven
twenty three Steelers at Patriots. I'm gonna take the Patriot
as a home dog plus one and a half. Drake
May played very well. What I like they're getting after
the quarterback. Mike Brables got that defensive front humming. Also,
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they've been hard to run on and Pittsburgh doesn't run
it anyway. Aaron Rodgers been sacked seven times in two games.
They haven't run the ball in Pittsburgh in seven years,
and they're not going to run it against New England,
meaning Aaron on the road is going to have to throw.
And this Steelers defense, I don't know what's wrong, but
it's a mess on the back end, and they're allowing
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six and a half yards of play. I like the
Patriots straight out to win this game. Twenty seven twenty three.
Saint said Seahawks. I like Seattle big. They've held both
opponents under twenty points Jackson Smith and Jigba. Yet looks
like they found a number one receiver, and that was
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the concern I said. I thought Darnold was an upgrade.
O line will be better. Both have been true. Listen,
y'all tell me about Spencer Ratler. Can you win a game?
You know, they've been all and nine the last couple
of years against playoff teams. They've lost seven team straight
games when they allowed twenty plus points. I'm gonna take
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Seattle to score twenty.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Points in this game.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Spencer Rattler's completing under sixty percent OW eight is a starter.
They're traveling cross country. I don't know. I like Seattle
here at home twenty eight to twenty. I don't even
I don't even think it feels that close. I think
the Saints maybe score. You know, they try to backdoor
it and score a touchdown. I think Seattle is going
to control this football game and cover Cowboys and Bears.
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I'm taking the over. I think Dallas will win close,
but I'm taking the over fifty and a half points becauset.
The Cowboys have the best third down offense in the league.
Against that Giants defensive front, it was pay day and
they did what they wanted to Javonte Williams. We always
liked him in Denver, Dallas picked him up. They found
some creases in the offensive line. Steedee Lambs having a
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monster year and the Bears. Bears defense is allowing seven
yards of play Clayton Johnson's out and they're bad on
third down. So the Bears don't move the change, they
will not be able to keep the ball away from
Dak Ceedee Lamb George Pickens. So the Bears have too
many three and outs and that's a recipe for a
tired second half defense missing their best corner. Cowboys win
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at twenty eight twenty seven, But I like the over
on this game. Bet the Cowboys Bears over whether it
won't be a problem meaning Lions and Ravens Monday Night Football.
You know what I say? When Lamar Jackson hosts an
NFC team, I don't care what the spread is. It's
Ravens minus four and a half. I'm taking Baltimore bottom
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line once again, number one scoring offense in the league,
seven to one. Over their last eight home games, ten
of the thirteen have come by over a touchdown. And
here's what I don't like. The defense for the Lions
is allowing a forty eight percent conversion rate on third down.
That's near the bottom of the league. And so and again,
you know again, the first drive, Caleb Williams moved down
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the field. I don't like teams that struggle on third
down defensively, especially against Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry. They
have a way of picking up the first downs, dominating
the clock, keeping your quarterback in your offense on the sideline.
Ravens win thirty twenty three. I'll take him to cover
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the spread.
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Speaker 1 (19:29):
All right. He does a podcast, The Athletic Football Show,
NFL writer at the Athletic as well. But Robert Mays,
when I first spotted him, it was his food spreadsheet
as I was coming in and out of Chicago, and
he's humble and he doesn't want to talk about it.
But if if you ever want to find out where
to eat Chicago, it is like a depth chart for food.
It is an absolute pleasure to meet you. We both
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now live in Chicago, a great North American city, a
great global city, and the Bears and the Cubs dominate
talk radio. There's here's my thing. I made this argument
that people can get divorced. There doesn't mean they're bad people.
They can get remarried. Fit tempo of personality matters. I'm
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going to argue that Ben is Shanahan. He's on that spreadsheet.
He's a timing instructure coach. I don't know if Caleb
is a timing and structure quarterback. So on the first drives,
it's magic. The further you get away from the spreadsheet,
it doesn't look right. It is a It is a
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quarterback built to move freelance and add lib Robert. What if?
What if this weekend against an average cowboy defense, we
get a great first drive and more of the drek?
Where do we go with this?
Speaker 5 (20:51):
I was more encouraged by what he did on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Guys to make sure they might Mike work doesn't work, Okay,
go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
I think I was more encouraged by what I saw
on Sunday than you are. After the first draft.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
I think there were a lot of structural issues with
the offense that were more of a problem than Caleb was.
Even beyond the first game, the run game, some of
the offensive line concerns. I think stylistically, I am not
as worry about it as you are, because I actually
think that Caleb has more similarities as a passer than
to Jared Goff than most people would think. They have
very whip like arms, they're really good attacking the intermediate
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area of the field that you don't want them pushing
the ball down the field outside the numbers in a
way that John Hurts or Jaden Daniels would. But when
you think about some of those outbreaking routes, routes over
the middle of the field, Caleb does throw those really well.
And the creation part is important. But the creation is
a breaking case from emergency thing. Even if you're Ben Johnson,
Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, you're never going to be able
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to scheme things properly. All the time, and that's why
having a quarterback who can do something out of structure
is important, because he makes you right when you're not right.
So I do think that there's a balance to be
found between asking guy to play in structure and then
allowing him to play outside of structure when some of
those structural things start breaking down.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
And then there's the other young quarterback that won't play
this weekend JJ McCarthy. I've said, I don't feel Caleb
is overwhelmed. It's more of a fit with JJ McCarthy.
And I was not a big fan coming out of college.
I said, I don't see it. He's never played from behind.
Harbaugh dominated that program. It was defense, run game. I
thought he looked overwhelmed. And they did want to re
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sign Darnold. There was rumors they had Daniel Jones, there
was rumors about Aaron. Kevin O'Connell is about as sharp
as they get, and seven of those eight quarters were
I mean, jarring. Do you think there's in the building
privately a little concerned on their first round quarterback.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
I love what you said about jjm and not had
any play from behind at Michigan. They put him in
really advantageous situations. Yes, And that was the whole plan
in Minnesota, is that we can plug this guy in
and be okay because we've built so much.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Strength around him.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
That hasn't come to fruition in the first couple of
weeks because they've had injured right the offensive line, the
left tackle being hurt for the first two games.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
You've really seen that.
Speaker 8 (23:04):
Great left tackle, very good left tackle, and now you're
going to a truly below average left tackle. And so
this idea that JJ is set up to succeed because
the infrastructure is so solid, the infrastructure hasn't been solid,
and so I don't think the first couple of weeks
have done anything to assuage concerns you would have about
him coming in. But I also think that the Vikings
haven't been able to make good on their end of
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the bargain so far. I want to wait to see
when the offensive line is healthier, when the run game
can be a little bit better, and you take stuff
off of his plate and the way that you were
planning to what does.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
JJ McCarthy look like.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
Then if we get to the back half of the season,
the offensive line is healthy, the run game is good,
and those four or five throws you're asking him to
make are still going awry.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Then I think we can really get into causes for concern.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
So when you live in Chicago, you are reminded as
I take the train that Green Bay's right up the road.
And I will make the argument that for the last
thirty years it's the best run organization.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I always looked at lack of ownership as a liability
for years and years, that the Rams have somebody that
can go call Stan Kronky and say, I know you're
on the goalstream on the tarmac. We need Matt Stafford,
and the owner says, go for it. But as billionaires now,
as millionaires used to own the league that firing a
coaching staff forty million dollar checks was a non starter,
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it's not anymore. And so billionaires have become oligarchs have
become crazier, whether it's the tech guys, whether it's the
boys club in the NFL. And so the lack of
an owner actually allows patience that nobody else can have
in the league. And I look at Green Bay's roster,
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Robert tight end, running back, defensive line. They moved off
Kenny Clark, good player, They're fine. I look at green
Bay right now, it's almost a flawless team. It reminds
me of Kansas City with Tyreek, play from behind, play
with a lead, play aggressively, paying the right people. I've
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said this, I don't think. I don't think anybody right
now for the next three years is built like green Bay.
Who gets credit.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
It's a combination of the coaching staff and the front office.
I think what you said about the ownership is perfect
because you want to blend of methodical, patient, responsible decision making,
but when that moment is there for you to jump
on something, you still want to be able to do that.
And that's why the Michael Parsons trade, to me, would
be so encouraging. FI were a Packers fans like when
they know that there's something there to be had, they're
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going after it, and so there's a roster strength overall.
They've been able to build so much depth because of
how patient they build the roster. But then you look
at the schematics of it. On both sides of the ball,
this is an extremely well coached, creative team.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Jeff Hafley has been a fine.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
I loved him last year because I thought he did
such a good job of tailoring the defense to his personnel.
They did not have very good corners last ye. You're
at least unproven corners. And instead of playing a lot
of man and a lot of single high like he
used to back at Boston College and with the Niners,
they played a lot of cover two in order to
hide some of those players. And I just think that
shows real awareness, what is my talent and how can
I get the most out of them.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Well, now as the talent.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Has started to really increase, including Micah persons, those ideas
being able to deploy those guys in the right ways,
it's still happening. The players are just better. You canbine
Micah Persons with real leaps from some of the young
guys kway Walker, Edriwin Cooper, Keishawn Nixon, who's now in
his second year as a corner.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
He's getting better.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
The incremental improvements you've needed from the youngest roster in
the league has happened. The coaching ideas are still very good,
and now you're starting to develop superstar level players.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
When all those three.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
Things are coming together at the same time, you're getting
the twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Five packers so far, so al Michaels threw a little
shade at the Eagles last night, saying not all great
teams are fun to watch, and everybody summarily knew what
he was talking about. Whereas the Bills are, I think
America is kind of rooting for the Buffalo Bills to
and I know emotionally I'm not supposed to root, but
kind of am. Philadelphia is fascinating. I like the Rams
this weekend. I think Jared version that defensive front is
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a problem. I think the last half of last year,
post Thanksgiving out, I thought it was the most improved defense.
Really fast, young players when they get hurt, recover more quickly.
It's the Packers offense. Is the Rams defense not paid
proven getting better? Philadelphia is an anomaly. They decided after
the bye last year, we're not gonna throw anymore, especially downfield.
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Is it sustainable. It doesn't feel like it's built to
play from behind. It's just wild. In a pass first league,
they don't throw it downfield. I mean, don't you think
over the course of five weeks, seven weeks, nine weeks,
that will be a liability?
Speaker 8 (27:50):
Absolutely, Eventually you have to be able to do a
little bit of everything, and it especially becomes a problem
when the run game is no longer as dynamic as
it was last year. And you're already seeing that, And
Saiquon's averaging less than four yards of care easy, yes,
and the down to down efficiency he's below average right
now compared to running backs around the league.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
And I think a lot of that is you're seeing
offensive line changes for them. The right guard, Tyler Stein
takes over from Akai Beeck.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
In this year. He's had his issues.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
Landon dickersonate left guard clearly has not been healthy over
it for a couple of weeks. And the tight ends
on this team are not strong run blockers, and I
think they've really run into some issues there as well.
So if you're going to be a team that doesn't
want to throw the ball down the field, you better
be the most explosive, dynamic running team in the league.
And through the first couple of weeks, they just really
haven't been that.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
The sticking with Los Angeles, I said this yesterday. Everybody
thought it was hyperbolic, and I said, folks, if the
NFL Hall of Fame was the basketball Hall of Fame,
where like a Globe trotter and an official can make
but football. Atlanta's got the College Hall of Fame, Campton's
got the Pro But like basketball, if you combine them,
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I could argue Jim Harball is the best coach ever.
He has taken five car recks except Stanford because and
there's some academic reasons why he was great. The next year,
all of them he leaves. They're all at has Matt
spill instantly. So it's not that you lose a good coach.
I mean, Jimmy Johnson's a great coach to me, one
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of the five best ever. He leaves, he built up
good personnel. The next coach comes in takes Jimmy's players.
He's always a great personnel guy as a coach, and
they win. Jim leaves its man overboard. I find him
to be a remarkable guy. He's much more happier now
when you do at the athletic Robert. When you talk
about the Chargers and you talk about what he took over,
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Herbert's even better. How do people view him? I don't
think he was likable seven or eight years ago, even
by Michigan people. He was driving the ad crazy. How
do people view Harball in the league.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
He's a force multiplayer.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
He is able to get the most out of whatever
the roster talent looks like. And I think that you've
seen that consistently, and it's hard to know what the
secret sauce of that exactly is.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Right.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
I went there last year and I spent.
Speaker 8 (30:06):
Two days in the locker room talking to guys because
I was curious about this exact question, and the answers
are kind of all over the place too, that stick
with me. I asked Derwin James, I was like, what
is culture to you in the NFL? And he said,
culture to me is when you look at the logo.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
What do you see?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
What is that to you?
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Derwin James said that to me, that's really smart and
I thought that that was such astute point. And I
think with the Chargers now you're starting to feel a
certain identity when you watch them play.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
That's really interesting.
Speaker 8 (30:30):
And then Dyon Henley told me a story about how
they would go through even in OTAs, and every single
player associated with the organization, coaches, players got up and
they said, why are you here right? What brings you here?
Why do you want to be good? Why do you
want to be great? Why do you want to be successful?
And every person gave their answer in front of the
entire team, And so I think that there's just a
real conscious how do I build connective tissue in this building?
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How do I make people feel invested? How do I
get the best out of them? And the best example
of this to me is what Justin Herbert is played like,
because when Justin Herbert played for Joe Lombardi in that
old offense, it always felt like he was a little tight,
yes right, and there was just a roboticism to him
and there wasn't a looseness.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
To the way that he played.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
And you watch him the last couple of years when
he wasn't hurt last year, and then the first couple
weeks of this season, there's an aggressiveness. He's willing to run,
like Jim Harbaugh going up to him before the games
and shaking his shoulders so funny and gassing him up.
That may seem silly, but I actually do think that
there's a purpose and a motivation behind that to get
him to play.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
I've always joked about it. I wish Justin was ten
percent dumber, and.
Speaker 8 (31:33):
I honestly think he has played the last year and
a half like he's ten percent dumber, and it's been
to his benefit.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
I think Jim's a big reason for that.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
So we were saying that when I always think it's
funny with Brady. The minute Mahomes comes into the league,
people never wanted to love Brady because he was efficient
and it was pre snap I mean Aaron Rodgers for years.
Aaron's better than Tom. I mean Tom wins, but it's Belichick.
And then the minute Mahomes gets good, it's like, list
the system guy. Mahomes is the and I'm like, okay, whatever.
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Then he goes to Tampa and wins, and that quiets down.
Josh Allen's the best quarterback in the world right now,
and I know, and so I'm gonna do this. And
Patrick's a wonderful guy. But I've watched the last two
years in the history of quarterbacks, Luck Elway, Peyton, if
you have massive horsepower farv, you throw picks, like if
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you can throw one oh one, you throw one oh one.
You don't throw the knuckler. Josh Allen has had about
a year. Here's an amazing stack. The Bills have not
lost the turnover battle in twenty five games, and they
have a v twelve for an engine. I find what
we're watching. It's not validated through statistical precision like Hank
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Aaron surpassing Ruth. But in terms of we're watching history,
this horse power and no turnovers, Robert doesn't make sense.
Andrew luck was brilliant. He couldn't get the reckless out.
Eli Manning brilliant, couldn't get the reckless out. I'm watching.
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I'm watching this and I'm like, they're gonna win a
super Bowl. They make no mistakes, they never turn it over.
I don't know. I mean, I'm sure you have this
encyclopedic knowledge of it, but I don't think he has a.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Flaw right now, absolutely not.
Speaker 8 (33:23):
I don't know what it would be because the turnover
is absolutely part of the decision making. Was part of it, yes,
and now even you've seen it happen in stages, and
so two years ago, in twenty twenty three, I thought
he actually had a quiet case to be the MVP,
even if the team's success wasn't there. He threw more
picks in twenty twenty three, but really was totally ramped
down with the amount of sacks he was taking.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
He doesn't get sacked, and two years in a row.
Speaker 8 (33:45):
The sack avoidance is incredible, and I think part of
that is the offensive line. Part of that is his elusiveness.
But where he's really made the most progress to me,
outside of the accuracy, which that's undeniable. So much work
has been done about how he worked on his mechanics and.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Been that story's been told.
Speaker 8 (34:00):
I think a story that's been less told is that
he has become pre snap one of the best quarterbacks
in the league.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
I think it's him and Mahomes.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
The Bills do such a great job, very subtly offering
him information before the play. We're going to nudge the
running back out in motion just a little bit so
you get half a step from the linebacker to know
whether he's coming.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
And he's so smart.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
That when you combine it with his athleticism and the
offensive line talent, he's not going to get sacked because
he has the answers to the test.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Before it even starts.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
So you combine the mental horsepower with the physical horsepower
that we're seeing, and that has led to the Josh
Allen that you're watching.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Right now if you're listening on our radio network four
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The Athletic has the Athletic Football Show podcast. Obviously this
is just great information. I love this though. One of
the great advantages that you get to travel around and
go to locker rooms, and I will say, I just
hearing all this stuff is so much fun. So finally,
let's pivot back to Bears Cowboys. So I think it's
(34:55):
a shootout. I think it's wild. I think it's incredibly fun.
I do. I think Caleb gives me more precision past
the first drive. Dak Prescott, I cannot believe how good
he is. After a second sero, I literally cannot believe
how good he is. I'm gonna put you on the spot.
What is the game? I'm not a winner. What does
the game look like? These are not great defenses.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
I think it looks like a shootout.
Speaker 8 (35:19):
I think it looks like a lot of points because
the Cowboys offense is rolling. As somebody who's always believed
in Dak Prescott, the last two weeks have been a dream,
not just because of his play, but when I was
frustrated with the Dallas offense over the last few years,
it always just felt very static to me.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
It was very spread out.
Speaker 8 (35:35):
It was a very shotgun and you just can't play
that way unless you have truly elite dominant perimeter receivers.
And I'm not talking about just ceedee lamp. The two
teams that could get away play that way the Bengals
and the Eagles because you got those two guys and
you just have horses on the outside. The Cowboys never
had that, and so I always wanted to field is
to tick more dynamic, just league average play action rate,
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league average motion rate, and get him one more weapon.
All of that has happened. Yeah, every single one of
those things has lined up. And now the Dak Prescott
that always existed, the one that's aggressive, that processes really well,
you're still seeing that guy, but everything else around him
has led to a more explosive offense. And so I
think that is here to stay for the most part,
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as long as Dallas stays healthy this year. And I
think the Dallas defense is going to be a problem
over the course of the year, and so those games
are going to include a lot of points.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
I think this Sunday is one of them.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
I think history is going to be very kind to
Dak Prescott is that he has had three coaches, none
of whom were wildly popular with the critics or the fans.
And every year with Dack you basically get a ninety
eight passer rating, thirty touchdowns, ten picks, sixty seven percent
completion percentage, unbelievable. In tangibles leadership, he went through the
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pandemic BLM, you know in the state of Texas that
was controversial. It is I said, I was never like
a huge Dak fan, but it's almost like a band
that you got as they age. You're like, or you know,
Robert Redford. I grew up with that, so I knew
all the president's men. But sometimes you'll go and when
(37:11):
a celebrity passes, you go to the YouTube and listen
to their music, or you go and look at their
IDM is IBM page or IDMB page, and you're like,
there are a lot of good movies. I look at
Dak Prescott now and I'm like, Brian Schottenneimer, Jason Garrett,
Mike McCarthy. He's going to get Hall of Fame votes.
He is going to get Hall of Fame votes, is
he not.
Speaker 8 (37:31):
I think he probably deserves it if he has five
more seasons like the one that we're watching right now,
or like the twenty twenty three season.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
Comparing it to the music thing to me, like.
Speaker 8 (37:38):
Dak is like Food Fighters, Right, It's just this band
that you never thought was the best band, but they've
been doing it for so long at a pretty good clip.
And Dave Grohl did it with Neirvana, he did it
with Food Fighters. He can do it in different situations
like Dak has been that. You're never going to say
Dak Prescott is the best quarterback in the world, the
same way you're never going to say that Dave Groll
is the best rock star in the world. But there
is a consistency in the legitimacy for so long that
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you really can't deny it.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I thought I was good with analogies. Foo Fighters crushed.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
That's the best.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
That's the best connectivity I've ever heard on the show.
What a pleasure. Robert Mays lives in Chicago. Check him
out at the Athletic, which is absolutely worth every penny.
It's a pleasure to meet you.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go on a Friday. It's gonna be a
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am you know, j Mac. Sometimes you're watching history and
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you understand it. I remember being a kid and watching
Hank Aaron break Babe Bruce record with a home run
Fulton County Stadium in Atlanta. And other times you're watching
history and you're not necessarily aware of it because it's
not just statistics. You are watching something that really we've
maybe never seen. And I felt that watching Josh Allen
(01:16):
last night, and that's where I'm going to start the
show today. So if you didn't watch last night's game.
The easiest way I would describe it is the team
with the less talented quarterback that makes more mistakes lost
to the team that has the much more talented quarterback
that makes no mistakes. The Bills last night scored thirty
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one points and had no turnovers, second team in league
history to start the season with three straight games thirty
plus points, zero turnovers. Josh Allen, through hard work and coaching,
has eliminated his only flaw, reckless. And what's remarkable is
my entire life. I said this on the air many times.
(01:59):
It's the one thing I didn't think coaches could mostly
coach you out of because anybody I ever met in
high school that was reckless at seventeen, if I saw
him again thirty years later, they were reckless at forty seven.
I always thought it was a DNA thing. I always
thought it was just kind of a personality thing. Reckless
guy early is reckless guy at fifty five years old.
(02:20):
And it shows you how humble and also how self
aware Josh Allen is. Since the start of last season,
forty eight touchdowns with Josh Allen eight giveaways, the Bills
have not lost the turnover battle in a season and
a half twenty five games. I mean, and he doesn't
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play favorites. Everybody eats nine different guys caught passes. I
mean I loved Andrew Luck and we all love Brett Faarr.
You couldn't get the reckless out of them. I mean
Matt Stafford the year he won the Super Bowl with
the Rams. Did you know he led the NFL and interceptions?
Eli Manning twice beat Tom Brady times. He led the
(03:00):
NFL and picks. So I've always loved guys like Elway
who's aggressive, and Peyton Manning that's aggressive, But you can't
you can't eliminate the interceptions. To have this much talent
and horsepower, and Josh is the biggest, strongest, best arm
To have all this horse power and yet be willing
(03:23):
to put on restrict plates is insane. You are watching history.
This makes absolutely no sense. I mean, the quarterbacks that
we all love, we love the gunslinger part. And then
Josh Allen came into the league, and he was a
bit of a gunslinger, but smart enough, humble enough, self
aware enough realizing that's not the sport. Brady and Mahomes
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didn't throw picks. And so Josh Allen with all that horsepower,
with that V twelve engine, it's like, now I'm gonna
go electric. I'm not gonna do that. So he's like
similar to a prodigious home run hitter that changed his swing,
doesn't hit the ball quite as far, but now doesn't
(04:06):
strike out twenty twenty five. Josh Allen shouldn't exist. You
should not be that gifted, that fast, that talented jump
over linebackers. Yeah, he never throws interceptions because usually I mean,
you know, if you have a great voice, you're singing
in the car, you're singing in the shower, you may
be singing professionally, you want to show it off. Usually
six to six guys with that engine and that ability,
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I mean, they are letting it rip. Josh get You
get all the upside and you get none of the downside.
I mean, listen to this. His last twelve games including
the playoffs, thirty total touchdowns, one pick that makes no sense.
His ability to control, you know, have the discipline to
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not just I'm gonna let it rip and throw it
through that coverage is unbelievable. And last night it may
not be as visually impressive, but he is so mature.
Now he is so thoughtful, he is so paced, but
you still get the big engine. And he talked about
like last night, you're like, oh, why why isn't Buffalo
(05:14):
putting them away? It's a different Buffalo team. The previous
iteration of Buffalo was scoring thirty five points. They couldn't
beat the Chiefs like it was winning a lot. It
wasn't winning the games that mattered. To win the games
that matter, you can't turn it over. Gott to pull
back the horsepower a little bit. Here's Josh after.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I think there's obviously times throw games where the situation
dictates you to maybe put the pedal down a little
bit more, and there's sometimes where it's like, hey, just
take it easy, relax. I wouldn't say played the long game,
but just understanding where you're at, you know, within the
situation of the game, and not trying to force anything.
(05:58):
You know, we saw that tonight, just kind of staying
same as calm as possible, you know, and just being
prepared for any situation that we were going to be in.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
They look a little bit more like Philadelphia, don't they.
They just kind of squeeze it, squeeze you and squeeze
you and eventually win the turnover battle and make two
or three big plays late. That doesn't mean Josh can't
be a superhero. He can't put on the cape, but
he is right now. This is a super Bowl team.
I don't love their defense, but not every Brady team
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had a great defense. You remember that Nick Foles super Bowl.
I mean not every team that gets to that game
has a great defense. We all have to give a
little once you pay the quarterback a lot of money.
But what you're seeing now feels like a super Bowl
winning team, so smart horsepower without the mistakes. So I
was I was reading a tweet this morning from Mike Renner.
(06:52):
He said, the tragic thing going forward for the Dolphins
is that Tua's cap number is higher than Josh Allen's
the next four years. I think you could there's waste
if to lower that, you could, you know, you restructure it,
you could cut him whatever. But it is interesting watching
two last night is that NFL general managers got into
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this weird space for about ten years where they convinced
themselves size doesn't matter for quarterbacks. From twenty seventeen or
twenty twelve to twenty twenty three, Russell Wilson, Johnny Manziel
to a Bryce Young, Kyler Murray. Yeah, how are they
all doing well? What about Jalen Hurts? The Eagles throw
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the ball less than every team in the league since
the by last year they throw even less. The organization
is telling you, yeah, we don't want our smaller quarterback
having to look over six to seven offensive lineman and throw.
We're gonna throw about twenty three times a game. We're
gonna roll a mounta and throw. Even when we throw
it's not downfield now, it's a slant here, a slant there.
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So don't give me Jalen Hurts. The Eagles have moved
off him, becoming a traditional pocket quarterback. You want to
know who is winning a lot of games right now?
Big tall Justin Herbert and Mahomes and Allen and Jordan
Love and Lamar Jackson and Golf and Matt Stafford and
Joe Burrell. Yes, offensive lineman now are six seven and
a half. Regularly, size has always mattered. Drew Brees is
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the exception. He is the outlier. He is the only
small quarterback who had sustained greatness for fifteenth great years.
And Sean Payton was some of that, but mostly he
was the most obsessed with accuracy quarterback of my life.
Drew Brees is the outlier. Size didn't matter that much.
But when I watched two in Josh Allen, every single
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time I watched them, I always think the same thing.
And when they play each other on the same field, yea,
I'm gonna take the bigger, stronger guy to a smaller
doesn't have a big arm. Don't want him in windy weather.
You got to protect him. So I mean, I guess
again the thing that size matters in all sports. I mean,
you could probably have a six eleven and a half jockey,
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but it it would look weird and it doesn't feel
right on that horse. I think your quarterbacks have to
be about six to one up. I'm sorry, I'll take
the bigger, stronger guy. And by the way, tuas record
against winning teams in his career as ten and twenty,
those winning teams overwhelmingly have bigger, stronger quarterbacks with better arms.
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So there's a reason boxing in UFC have weight categories.
So it's nothing against to it. But I think that
interception he threw he's been playing football for too long.
In Hawaii at Alabama and Miami. I think that interception
he through to that linebacker. Honestly, I don't think he
saw him. Here's Tua on that game ceiling interception by
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the Bills.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I thought I was in rhythm and timing of the
play seeing the flat defender go over the top of Jalen.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Jalen's turning around.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I think that was really good play by the defender.
And you know, had had some color in my face
trying to maneuver the throw as well. But I ten
out of ten times if we're looking at that same thing,
you know, I think I'd still try to work that
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timing of hitting that that spot. And I think the
linebacker made a great play on that.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I don't. I think he threw it right to him
because he didn't see him. That was not a great play.
It was thrown right to him. And there's things I
like about to h but don't tell me size doesn't
matter jockey's quarterbacks. I want one small, one big, just
the way it is, Jamact. I think one of the
more interesting games this weekend Blazing five to fifty minutes
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from now. I like mine Pegs well, I liked him
last week. I think one of the more interesting games,
and I think it's going to be a shootout is
the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
And the Bears.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
It's going to be really, really entertaining because neither one
of these defenses has their act together. Jalen Johnson, I
think is still out for the Bears, their best corner.
And when you let go Micah, I mean, we've seen
what Micah has added to the Packers. You eliminate him
from the Cowboys and you don't get as consistent the
playmaking off the edge. So I am fascinated by the
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Cowboys and the Bears, and I've got I've got the
Bears don't have to win, but I will have a
definitive opinion Sunday night if something doesn't happen. Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Hey to go back to that Tua interception real quick.
I don't know if they can roll the footage, but Colin,
something you didn't discuss.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
If you watch the right guard on that play, he.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Gets destroyed at the line of scrimmage by ninety six.
Tua has zero time at all to analyze anything. He's
got under a second if you watch that swim move,
and so he's got to make his first read and
of course the linebacker read it. I actually, if you
watch it, I don't think that plays totally on Tua.
I know it's tough to defend him and you want
to go to the height, but his offensive line has
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been terrible every year he's been in Miami.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Awful.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Go look at their rankings according to Pro Football Focus. Yeah,
and you really can't win without one. Well, he can't
win without one. Josh Allen did not have a great
offensive line. He had a great left tackle, but Josh
Allen's early OH lines were not great. And by the way,
Patrick Mahomes has gotten the Super Bowls with average offensive lines.
Joe Burrow's gotten super bowls with bad offensive lines.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
He can't.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
He has to have. I don't know that he can.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
You're saying you would consider dumping to a like the
Russell Wilson thing in Denver, just take the dead gap
hit and move on.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Well, I think if you cut him the first of all,
I think he'd have a market. Absolutely would have a market.
I would put him in a Dome team. I think
he would have a market. I think again, I don't
think two is a bad quarterback, but you have to
have certain things for him to be a playoff quarterback
Joe Burrow went on the road with an atrocious offensive
line and was a play away from winning a Super Bowl.
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Joe Burrow six three and a half. So there are
things with a smaller quarterback you have to have work
shallon Burrow. I mean, look at Mahomes. Mahomes gets to
super Bowls with bad receiving course, shaky offensive lines, bad
left tackles, and no running game. Right, Yeah, he's not
Mahomes of Burrough. And I think one of the truer
elements is that Burrough's different than Mahomes, is different than Alan,
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that's different than Herbert. They're all big, strong men. They're
all big, strong men of size.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
The only guys I can find who have been under
six to two to win Super Bowls Jalen Hurts, Russell Wilson,
Drew Brees, now Joe Montana depending where he's listed six
one sixty two. But you're right, not a lot of
them in the last forty years.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
But I mean, just it's just it's the I'm not
anti smaller quarterback. Baker Mayfield's not big. What I'm saying
is this idea for a decade that it didn't matter. Yeah,
it does Bryce Young feels small and Kyler Murray from
the pocket consistently you don't get it, and the Eagles
are acknowledging with Jalen Hurts prefer we be a run team.
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They're running six of the time. He has more tush
push attempts than balls thrown down field this year and
that's by design. Coming up next, what Caleb Williams does
have to do against the Cowboys.
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Speaker 1 (14:54):
Blazing five Let's blaze it up right it up. It's
Collins Blazon five rams at Eagles. I'm gonna take the
Rams plus three and a half, best second half team
in the league. Stafford's the highest rated quarterback, but more
than anything, it's the number one scoring defense in the league.
Both opponents held under twenty Not only are they getting
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to the quarterback eight sacks from six different players. This
defensive front is gnarly. And the Eagles offense they have
three plays, just three plays all year over twenty yards.
It's a bb gun. Despite a great o line in
Saquon Barkley. I don't get the number. Eagles offense trying
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to find its way, Rams defense getting better by the quarter.
I'm gonna take the Rams to upset them. Twenty seven
twenty three Steelers at Patriots. I'm gonna take the Patriot
as a home dog plus one and a half. Drake
May played very well. What I like they're getting after
the quarterback. Mike Brables got that defensive front humming. Also,
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they've been hard to run on and Pittsburgh doesn't run
it anyway. Aaron Rodgers been sacked seven times in two games.
They haven't run the ball in Pittsburgh in seven years,
and they're not going to run it against New England,
meaning Aaron on the road is going to have to throw.
And this Steelers defense, I don't know what's wrong, but
it's a mess on the back end, and they're allowing
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six and a half yards of play. I like the
Patriots straight out to win this game. Twenty seven twenty three.
Saint said Seahawks. I like Seattle big. They've held both
opponents under twenty points Jackson Smith and Jigba. Yet looks
like they found a number one receiver, and that was
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the concern I said. I thought Darnold was an upgrade.
O line will be better. Both have been true. Listen,
y'all tell me about Spencer Ratler. Can you win a game?
You know, they've been all and nine the last couple
of years against playoff teams. They've lost seven team straight
games when they allowed twenty plus points. I'm gonna take
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Seattle to score twenty.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Points in this game.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Spencer Rattler's completing under sixty percent OW eight is a starter.
They're traveling cross country. I don't know. I like Seattle
here at home twenty eight to twenty. I don't even
I don't even think it feels that close. I think
the Saints maybe score. You know, they try to backdoor
it and score a touchdown. I think Seattle is going
to control this football game and cover Cowboys and Bears.
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I'm taking the over. I think Dallas will win close,
but I'm taking the over fifty and a half points becauset.
The Cowboys have the best third down offense in the league.
Against that Giants defensive front, it was pay day and
they did what they wanted to Javonte Williams. We always
liked him in Denver, Dallas picked him up. They found
some creases in the offensive line. Steedee Lambs having a
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monster year and the Bears. Bears defense is allowing seven
yards of play Clayton Johnson's out and they're bad on
third down. So the Bears don't move the change, they
will not be able to keep the ball away from
Dak Ceedee Lamb George Pickens. So the Bears have too
many three and outs and that's a recipe for a
tired second half defense missing their best corner. Cowboys win
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at twenty eight twenty seven, But I like the over
on this game. Bet the Cowboys Bears over whether it
won't be a problem meaning Lions and Ravens Monday Night Football.
You know what I say? When Lamar Jackson hosts an
NFC team, I don't care what the spread is. It's
Ravens minus four and a half. I'm taking Baltimore bottom
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line once again, number one scoring offense in the league,
seven to one. Over their last eight home games, ten
of the thirteen have come by over a touchdown. And
here's what I don't like. The defense for the Lions
is allowing a forty eight percent conversion rate on third down.
That's near the bottom of the league. And so and again,
you know again, the first drive, Caleb Williams moved down
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the field. I don't like teams that struggle on third
down defensively, especially against Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry. They
have a way of picking up the first downs, dominating
the clock, keeping your quarterback in your offense on the sideline.
Ravens win thirty twenty three. I'll take him to cover
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the spread.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
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Speaker 1 (19:29):
All right. He does a podcast, The Athletic Football Show,
NFL writer at the Athletic as well. But Robert Mays,
when I first spotted him, it was his food spreadsheet
as I was coming in and out of Chicago, and
he's humble and he doesn't want to talk about it.
But if if you ever want to find out where
to eat Chicago, it is like a depth chart for food.
It is an absolute pleasure to meet you. We both
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now live in Chicago, a great North American city, a
great global city, and the Bears and the Cubs dominate
talk radio. There's here's my thing. I made this argument
that people can get divorced. There doesn't mean they're bad people.
They can get remarried. Fit tempo of personality matters. I'm
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going to argue that Ben is Shanahan. He's on that spreadsheet.
He's a timing instructure coach. I don't know if Caleb
is a timing and structure quarterback. So on the first drives,
it's magic. The further you get away from the spreadsheet,
it doesn't look right. It is a It is a
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quarterback built to move freelance and add lib Robert. What if?
What if this weekend against an average cowboy defense, we
get a great first drive and more of the drek?
Where do we go with this?
Speaker 5 (20:51):
I was more encouraged by what he did on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Guys to make sure they might Mike work doesn't work, Okay,
go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
I think I was more encouraged by what I saw
on Sunday than you are. After the first draft.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
I think there were a lot of structural issues with
the offense that were more of a problem than Caleb was.
Even beyond the first game, the run game, some of
the offensive line concerns. I think stylistically, I am not
as worry about it as you are, because I actually
think that Caleb has more similarities as a passer than
to Jared Goff than most people would think. They have
very whip like arms, they're really good attacking the intermediate
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area of the field that you don't want them pushing
the ball down the field outside the numbers in a
way that John Hurts or Jaden Daniels would. But when
you think about some of those outbreaking routes, routes over
the middle of the field, Caleb does throw those really well.
And the creation part is important. But the creation is
a breaking case from emergency thing. Even if you're Ben Johnson,
Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, you're never going to be able
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to scheme things properly. All the time, and that's why
having a quarterback who can do something out of structure
is important, because he makes you right when you're not right.
So I do think that there's a balance to be
found between asking guy to play in structure and then
allowing him to play outside of structure when some of
those structural things start breaking down.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
And then there's the other young quarterback that won't play
this weekend JJ McCarthy. I've said, I don't feel Caleb
is overwhelmed. It's more of a fit with JJ McCarthy.
And I was not a big fan coming out of college.
I said, I don't see it. He's never played from behind.
Harbaugh dominated that program. It was defense, run game. I
thought he looked overwhelmed. And they did want to re
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sign Darnold. There was rumors they had Daniel Jones, there
was rumors about Aaron. Kevin O'Connell is about as sharp
as they get, and seven of those eight quarters were
I mean, jarring. Do you think there's in the building
privately a little concerned on their first round quarterback.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
I love what you said about jjm and not had
any play from behind at Michigan. They put him in
really advantageous situations. Yes, And that was the whole plan
in Minnesota, is that we can plug this guy in
and be okay because we've built so much.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Strength around him.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
That hasn't come to fruition in the first couple of
weeks because they've had injured right the offensive line, the
left tackle being hurt for the first two games.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
You've really seen that.
Speaker 8 (23:04):
Great left tackle, very good left tackle, and now you're
going to a truly below average left tackle. And so
this idea that JJ is set up to succeed because
the infrastructure is so solid, the infrastructure hasn't been solid,
and so I don't think the first couple of weeks
have done anything to assuage concerns you would have about
him coming in. But I also think that the Vikings
haven't been able to make good on their end of
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the bargain so far. I want to wait to see
when the offensive line is healthier, when the run game
can be a little bit better, and you take stuff
off of his plate and the way that you were
planning to what does.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
JJ McCarthy look like.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
Then if we get to the back half of the season,
the offensive line is healthy, the run game is good,
and those four or five throws you're asking him to
make are still going awry.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Then I think we can really get into causes for concern.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
So when you live in Chicago, you are reminded as
I take the train that Green Bay's right up the road.
And I will make the argument that for the last
thirty years it's the best run organization.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I always looked at lack of ownership as a liability
for years and years, that the Rams have somebody that
can go call Stan Kronky and say, I know you're
on the goalstream on the tarmac. We need Matt Stafford,
and the owner says, go for it. But as billionaires now,
as millionaires used to own the league that firing a
coaching staff forty million dollar checks was a non starter,
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it's not anymore. And so billionaires have become oligarchs have
become crazier, whether it's the tech guys, whether it's the
boys club in the NFL. And so the lack of
an owner actually allows patience that nobody else can have
in the league. And I look at Green Bay's roster,
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Robert tight end, running back, defensive line. They moved off
Kenny Clark, good player, They're fine. I look at green
Bay right now, it's almost a flawless team. It reminds
me of Kansas City with Tyreek, play from behind, play
with a lead, play aggressively, paying the right people. I've
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said this, I don't think. I don't think anybody right
now for the next three years is built like green Bay.
Who gets credit.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
It's a combination of the coaching staff and the front office.
I think what you said about the ownership is perfect
because you want to blend of methodical, patient, responsible decision making,
but when that moment is there for you to jump
on something, you still want to be able to do that.
And that's why the Michael Parsons trade, to me, would
be so encouraging. FI were a Packers fans like when
they know that there's something there to be had, they're
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going after it, and so there's a roster strength overall.
They've been able to build so much depth because of
how patient they build the roster. But then you look
at the schematics of it. On both sides of the ball,
this is an extremely well coached, creative team.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Jeff Hafley has been a fine.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
I loved him last year because I thought he did
such a good job of tailoring the defense to his personnel.
They did not have very good corners last ye. You're
at least unproven corners. And instead of playing a lot
of man and a lot of single high like he
used to back at Boston College and with the Niners,
they played a lot of cover two in order to
hide some of those players. And I just think that
shows real awareness, what is my talent and how can
I get the most out of them.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Well, now as the talent.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Has started to really increase, including Micah persons, those ideas
being able to deploy those guys in the right ways,
it's still happening. The players are just better. You canbine
Micah Persons with real leaps from some of the young
guys kway Walker, Edriwin Cooper, Keishawn Nixon, who's now in
his second year as a corner.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
He's getting better.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
The incremental improvements you've needed from the youngest roster in
the league has happened. The coaching ideas are still very good,
and now you're starting to develop superstar level players.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
When all those three.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
Things are coming together at the same time, you're getting
the twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Five packers so far, so al Michaels threw a little
shade at the Eagles last night, saying not all great
teams are fun to watch, and everybody summarily knew what
he was talking about. Whereas the Bills are, I think
America is kind of rooting for the Buffalo Bills to
and I know emotionally I'm not supposed to root, but
kind of am. Philadelphia is fascinating. I like the Rams
this weekend. I think Jared version that defensive front is
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a problem. I think the last half of last year,
post Thanksgiving out, I thought it was the most improved defense.
Really fast, young players when they get hurt, recover more quickly.
It's the Packers offense. Is the Rams defense not paid
proven getting better? Philadelphia is an anomaly. They decided after
the bye last year, we're not gonna throw anymore, especially downfield.
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Is it sustainable. It doesn't feel like it's built to
play from behind. It's just wild. In a pass first league,
they don't throw it downfield. I mean, don't you think
over the course of five weeks, seven weeks, nine weeks,
that will be a liability?
Speaker 8 (27:50):
Absolutely, Eventually you have to be able to do a
little bit of everything, and it especially becomes a problem
when the run game is no longer as dynamic as
it was last year. And you're already seeing that, And
Saiquon's averaging less than four yards of care easy, yes,
and the down to down efficiency he's below average right
now compared to running backs around the league.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
And I think a lot of that is you're seeing
offensive line changes for them. The right guard, Tyler Stein
takes over from Akai Beeck.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
In this year. He's had his issues.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
Landon dickersonate left guard clearly has not been healthy over
it for a couple of weeks. And the tight ends
on this team are not strong run blockers, and I
think they've really run into some issues there as well.
So if you're going to be a team that doesn't
want to throw the ball down the field, you better
be the most explosive, dynamic running team in the league.
And through the first couple of weeks, they just really
haven't been that.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
The sticking with Los Angeles, I said this yesterday. Everybody
thought it was hyperbolic, and I said, folks, if the
NFL Hall of Fame was the basketball Hall of Fame,
where like a Globe trotter and an official can make
but football. Atlanta's got the College Hall of Fame, Campton's
got the Pro But like basketball, if you combine them,
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I could argue Jim Harball is the best coach ever.
He has taken five car recks except Stanford because and
there's some academic reasons why he was great. The next year,
all of them he leaves. They're all at has Matt
spill instantly. So it's not that you lose a good coach.
I mean, Jimmy Johnson's a great coach to me, one
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of the five best ever. He leaves, he built up
good personnel. The next coach comes in takes Jimmy's players.
He's always a great personnel guy as a coach, and
they win. Jim leaves its man overboard. I find him
to be a remarkable guy. He's much more happier now
when you do at the athletic Robert. When you talk
about the Chargers and you talk about what he took over,
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Herbert's even better. How do people view him? I don't
think he was likable seven or eight years ago, even
by Michigan people. He was driving the ad crazy. How
do people view Harball in the league.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
He's a force multiplayer.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
He is able to get the most out of whatever
the roster talent looks like. And I think that you've
seen that consistently, and it's hard to know what the
secret sauce of that exactly is.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Right.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
I went there last year and I spent.
Speaker 8 (30:06):
Two days in the locker room talking to guys because
I was curious about this exact question, and the answers
are kind of all over the place too, that stick
with me. I asked Derwin James, I was like, what
is culture to you in the NFL? And he said,
culture to me is when you look at the logo.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
What do you see?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
What is that to you?
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Derwin James said that to me, that's really smart and
I thought that that was such astute point. And I
think with the Chargers now you're starting to feel a
certain identity when you watch them play.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
That's really interesting.
Speaker 8 (30:30):
And then Dyon Henley told me a story about how
they would go through even in OTAs, and every single
player associated with the organization, coaches, players got up and
they said, why are you here right? What brings you here?
Why do you want to be good? Why do you
want to be great? Why do you want to be successful?
And every person gave their answer in front of the
entire team, And so I think that there's just a
real conscious how do I build connective tissue in this building?
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How do I make people feel invested? How do I
get the best out of them? And the best example
of this to me is what Justin Herbert is played like,
because when Justin Herbert played for Joe Lombardi in that
old offense, it always felt like he was a little tight,
yes right, and there was just a roboticism to him
and there wasn't a looseness.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
To the way that he played.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
And you watch him the last couple of years when
he wasn't hurt last year, and then the first couple
weeks of this season, there's an aggressiveness. He's willing to run,
like Jim Harbaugh going up to him before the games
and shaking his shoulders so funny and gassing him up.
That may seem silly, but I actually do think that
there's a purpose and a motivation behind that to get
him to play.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
I've always joked about it. I wish Justin was ten
percent dumber, and.
Speaker 8 (31:33):
I honestly think he has played the last year and
a half like he's ten percent dumber, and it's been
to his benefit.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
I think Jim's a big reason for that.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
So we were saying that when I always think it's
funny with Brady. The minute Mahomes comes into the league,
people never wanted to love Brady because he was efficient
and it was pre snap I mean Aaron Rodgers for years.
Aaron's better than Tom. I mean Tom wins, but it's Belichick.
And then the minute Mahomes gets good, it's like, list
the system guy. Mahomes is the and I'm like, okay, whatever.
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Then he goes to Tampa and wins, and that quiets down.
Josh Allen's the best quarterback in the world right now,
and I know, and so I'm gonna do this. And
Patrick's a wonderful guy. But I've watched the last two
years in the history of quarterbacks, Luck Elway, Peyton, if
you have massive horsepower farv, you throw picks, like if
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you can throw one oh one, you throw one oh one.
You don't throw the knuckler. Josh Allen has had about
a year. Here's an amazing stack. The Bills have not
lost the turnover battle in twenty five games, and they
have a v twelve for an engine. I find what
we're watching. It's not validated through statistical precision like Hank
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Aaron surpassing Ruth. But in terms of we're watching history,
this horse power and no turnovers, Robert doesn't make sense.
Andrew luck was brilliant. He couldn't get the reckless out.
Eli Manning brilliant, couldn't get the reckless out. I'm watching.
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I'm watching this and I'm like, they're gonna win a
super Bowl. They make no mistakes, they never turn it over.
I don't know. I mean, I'm sure you have this
encyclopedic knowledge of it, but I don't think he has a.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Flaw right now, absolutely not.
Speaker 8 (33:23):
I don't know what it would be because the turnover
is absolutely part of the decision making. Was part of it, yes,
and now even you've seen it happen in stages, and
so two years ago, in twenty twenty three, I thought
he actually had a quiet case to be the MVP,
even if the team's success wasn't there. He threw more
picks in twenty twenty three, but really was totally ramped
down with the amount of sacks he was taking.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
He doesn't get sacked, and two years in a row.
Speaker 8 (33:45):
The sack avoidance is incredible, and I think part of
that is the offensive line. Part of that is his elusiveness.
But where he's really made the most progress to me,
outside of the accuracy, which that's undeniable. So much work
has been done about how he worked on his mechanics and.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Been that story's been told.
Speaker 8 (34:00):
I think a story that's been less told is that
he has become pre snap one of the best quarterbacks
in the league.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
I think it's him and Mahomes.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
The Bills do such a great job, very subtly offering
him information before the play. We're going to nudge the
running back out in motion just a little bit so
you get half a step from the linebacker to know
whether he's coming.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
And he's so smart.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
That when you combine it with his athleticism and the
offensive line talent, he's not going to get sacked because
he has the answers to the test.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Before it even starts.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
So you combine the mental horsepower with the physical horsepower
that we're seeing, and that has led to the Josh
Allen that you're watching.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Right now if you're listening on our radio network four
hundred plus affiliates. His name is Robert Mays, writer at
The Athletic has the Athletic Football Show podcast. Obviously this
is just great information. I love this though. One of
the great advantages that you get to travel around and
go to locker rooms, and I will say, I just
hearing all this stuff is so much fun. So finally,
let's pivot back to Bears Cowboys. So I think it's
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a shootout. I think it's wild. I think it's incredibly fun.
I do. I think Caleb gives me more precision past
the first drive. Dak Prescott, I cannot believe how good
he is. After a second sero, I literally cannot believe
how good he is. I'm gonna put you on the spot.
What is the game? I'm not a winner. What does
the game look like? These are not great defenses.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
I think it looks like a shootout.
Speaker 8 (35:19):
I think it looks like a lot of points because
the Cowboys offense is rolling. As somebody who's always believed
in Dak Prescott, the last two weeks have been a dream,
not just because of his play, but when I was
frustrated with the Dallas offense over the last few years,
it always just felt very static to me.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
It was very spread out.
Speaker 8 (35:35):
It was a very shotgun and you just can't play
that way unless you have truly elite dominant perimeter receivers.
And I'm not talking about just ceedee lamp. The two
teams that could get away play that way the Bengals
and the Eagles because you got those two guys and
you just have horses on the outside. The Cowboys never
had that, and so I always wanted to field is
to tick more dynamic, just league average play action rate,
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league average motion rate, and get him one more weapon.
All of that has happened. Yeah, every single one of
those things has lined up. And now the Dak Prescott
that always existed, the one that's aggressive, that processes really well,
you're still seeing that guy, but everything else around him
has led to a more explosive offense. And so I
think that is here to stay for the most part,
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as long as Dallas stays healthy this year. And I
think the Dallas defense is going to be a problem
over the course of the year, and so those games
are going to include a lot of points.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
I think this Sunday is one of them.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
I think history is going to be very kind to
Dak Prescott is that he has had three coaches, none
of whom were wildly popular with the critics or the fans.
And every year with Dack you basically get a ninety
eight passer rating, thirty touchdowns, ten picks, sixty seven percent
completion percentage, unbelievable. In tangibles leadership, he went through the
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pandemic BLM, you know in the state of Texas that
was controversial. It is I said, I was never like
a huge Dak fan, but it's almost like a band
that you got as they age. You're like, or you know,
Robert Redford. I grew up with that, so I knew
all the president's men. But sometimes you'll go and when
(37:11):
a celebrity passes, you go to the YouTube and listen
to their music, or you go and look at their
IDM is IBM page or IDMB page, and you're like,
there are a lot of good movies. I look at
Dak Prescott now and I'm like, Brian Schottenneimer, Jason Garrett,
Mike McCarthy. He's going to get Hall of Fame votes.
He is going to get Hall of Fame votes, is
he not.
Speaker 8 (37:31):
I think he probably deserves it if he has five
more seasons like the one that we're watching right now,
or like the twenty twenty three season.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
Comparing it to the music thing to me, like.
Speaker 8 (37:38):
Dak is like Food Fighters, Right, It's just this band
that you never thought was the best band, but they've
been doing it for so long at a pretty good clip.
And Dave Grohl did it with Neirvana, he did it
with Food Fighters. He can do it in different situations
like Dak has been that. You're never going to say
Dak Prescott is the best quarterback in the world, the
same way you're never going to say that Dave Groll
is the best rock star in the world. But there
is a consistency in the legitimacy for so long that
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you really can't deny it.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I thought I was good with analogies. Foo Fighters crushed.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
That's the best.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
That's the best connectivity I've ever heard on the show.
What a pleasure. Robert Mays lives in Chicago. Check him
out at the Athletic, which is absolutely worth every penny.
It's a pleasure to meet you.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Thank you very much for having me
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