Best of The Herd

Colin Cowherd dives into a new NFL executive poll from The Athletic ranking the best front offices in the league—and what it reveals about finding your superstar quarterback in today’s NFL.

Then, NFL Films analyst Greg Cosell joins the show for a breakdown on:

• The development of Chicago Bears rookie QB Caleb Williams
• How the Philadelphia Eagles made key offensive adjustments to turn the game around against the Los Angeles Rams

Plus, University of Washington head coach Jedd Fisch previews their high-stakes matchup vs. #1 Ohio State and shares invaluable lessons from his time coaching under Jim Harbaugh.

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Episode Transcript

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Speaker 1 (00:26):
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Wherever you may be and however you may be watching
or listening, Thanks for making us part of your day. Ryan,
our producer, went to the Cubs game last night, watched
the Mets meltdown getting the field for Chicago and Wrigley Field.
What a great city it is. Jmax. The Athletic is
that subscribvishing business. You know they got some really good

(00:58):
writers there, yeah, oh yeah. And we've always known there's
a gap between the best quarterbacks and the second third
tier quarterbacks or the best coaches. That's obvious, right, But
the Athletic pulled twenty nine coaches, executives, general managers, and
they pulled them on the best front offices upstairs, the

(01:21):
guys in the nice boxes during the game, and the
camera occasionally shows. And the top ten might as well
be the hurd hierarchy. Eagles, Ravens, Rams, Bills, Chiefs, Buccaneers, Packers, Seahawks,
Line Niners. I mean, it's the hurd hierarchy, basically. And
I don't buy the Packers are lucky to hit on
three straight quarterbacks or the Eagles coincidentally have another stacked roster.

(01:47):
The gap between front offices is as large or larger
than owners, quarterbacks and coaches. I mean, look what Jim
Harbaugh's done in twenty games with the Chargers worse to
me best team in the league. What's most interesting to
me in this poll is those top ten teams. They've

(02:09):
all got, you know, quarterbacks, top quarterbacks. Isn't it fascinating
how each team landed the quarterback the most important position.
Each took an entirely different route. Let's start with the Eagles.
It's fascinating. So the Eagles, they go to the second round,
a smaller quarterback, Jalen Hurts, an athletic quarterback at the time,

(02:32):
they had Carson Wentz moved off him, and they decide
we're gonna build an offense around this kid who's incredibly
strong for his size and do some different things that
a lot of teams aren't willing to do. We're gonna
go contrariyanto the market they had big, tall, range E
Carson Wentz. We're gonna go smaller, strong athlete who's better

(02:53):
moving initially than throwing. Second in this athletic poll is
the Ravens. They passed on Lamar Jackson wants themselves in
the first round, and then they decided, let's go for
this hyper athletic kid from Louisville. At the time, remember
his mom was representing him as very different, and we're
not gonna play him initially. We're gonna wait a while,

(03:15):
let him watch Joe Flacco, but we're gonna roll the
dice on this super athletic quarterback, perhaps the most athletic
quarterback probably that's ever played the Rams. Rams didn't do
it that way. The Rams had a Super Bowl quarterback.
They're like, we're going to trade him to Detroit and
get Matt Stafford, who actually has never won a playoff game,

(03:36):
but we believe he's one of the best throwers of
the football in the league and we're actually going to
pay for Stafford and Jared Goff to make it happen.
The Bills Bills different. They went to a small college,
they go get Josh Allen, they trade up for him,
and we're gonna need you to play your raw with
a huge upside, but we're gonna need you to play

(03:58):
really quick. First year was bumpy, second year, third year
got magical. How about Kansas City, Yeah, we're gonna get
this quarterback from a conference, the Big Twelve that most
of their quarterbacks stink and don't work in the NFL.
We're gonna trade up for him. But unlike Buffalo, we're
not gonna have him play. We're gonna have him sit

(04:20):
and learn the system. Get his mechanics right, Alex Smith,
learn the system behind a great mentor. We do not
need you to play early at all. How about the Buccaneers,
they're on this list. Buccaneers said, you know what I'm
gonna do. There's this guy little Cocky, there's this guy
Baker Mayfield. We're gonna give you like a one year

(04:41):
prove it deal and see if you got anything. And yeah,
we're not really sure, but we kin Sean McVay like
you you got the Browns of the playoffs. And so
the Buccaneers go, we're gonna go with Baker Mayfield and
now they've signed a new long term contract. Green Bay
is it totally differently. We're gonna draft you, Jordan Love,
and for the second time, sit you for three years.

(05:03):
You won't take a meaningful snap. The Seahawks made this list.
They go, and we're gonna go into free agency. Yeah, yeah,
I mean we had Geno Smith. We're gonna go a
little younger, a little more athletic. We're gonna bring in
eventually an offensive coordinator, Clint Kubiak, who works very well
with quarterbacks. We're gonna go free agent. The Lions do

(05:25):
it differently. They're like, okay, we'll give up Matt Stafford.
We'll make a trade with the Rams. The Rams will
pay for it. Gof's pretty good. Not Stafford, but pretty good.
And as the Rams pay for the contract, we're gonna
build a roster and take all those draft picks and
make us into a powerhouse. And the forty nine ers

(05:45):
did it totally differently. They went and gave up a
ton of picks for a first round quarterback and very
quickly said ooops, Yeah, yeah, that's not working. And then
they got lucky. They drafted a guy they passed on
multiple times, the entire league passed on five, six, seven,
eight times, and they got brought purty. And this proves

(06:07):
there's multiple routes to the mountaintop for the most important
position in the National Football League and in life. It
reminds me when Live the Live Golf Tour disrupted the
PGA Tour. Rory was loyal to the PGA, Phil wanted

(06:28):
to be a disruptor. He left, and Bryson Deshamba everybody
wanted him, and he's like, you know what, I want
to freedom in flexibility to build my brand in YouTube
and the PGA not gonna like that, and Live's going
to allow it. And by the way, all three none
were wrong. Each chose a different path for different reasons,

(06:48):
and all are okay. The only absolute truth in the
NFL when it comes to quarterback, because I just showed
you the top ten teams and they all had a
different route. There's no one way to do it. The
only absolute truth. If you find yourself as a GM
or a coach, ear a left tackle, or even a fan,
try trying to convince yourself. You have a franchise quarterback, well,

(07:14):
you know, he works really hard, he's a winner. I
don't know, he's feisty. If he doesn't have an elite
next level trade, you don't have. The guy said, when
Margot Robbie walks into a movie scene, you don't have
to explain it gonna be a good scene, good traits
Margot Robbie. So that's the only rule in the NFL

(07:38):
seventh round trade free agency draft from a bad program, rest,
sit behind Alex Smith, play him immediately. Million different ways
to do it, but what you have to do to
win a super Bowl is do it however it is.
You gotta find a guy. The good news is there's
a lot of different routes. All Right, Sunday Night football.

(08:02):
I don't think it's gonna be a close game. Green
Bay is facing Dallas, and green Bay is great and
in a bad mood because they just lost to Cleveland,
and Dallas isn't necessarily in a bad mood, They're just
in a bad spot. Week staff Week roster and Ceedee
Lamsdell hurt. Micah Parsons now is returning to Big D

(08:22):
and Micah says, hey, no hard feelings I can't wait.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Dallas loves me, you know. I think they're gonna give
me a good ride of applause. And you know, there's
no hard feelings there, at least for me. And I
think it's gonna be like I said, it's gonna be
a great atmosphere. I think, you know, this is some
of the best football you're going to get in Dallas.
When it's Sunday night against you know, a rivalry.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Opponent, there should be no hard feelings. In that Athletic
survey of out front offices, Dallas got no vote of
the twenty nine people. Green Bay got eleven of twenty nine.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Right.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Eleven people said they're a top five organization. Saquon Barkley
Giants to the Eat Eagles Super Bowl Ring first year
Stafford to the Rams from the Lions Super Bowl Ring
first year, sho Hey O Tawni Angels to the Dodgers
World Series title first year all in the first year.
Some people are just too talented to mire in dysfunction.

(09:18):
And that's what Dallas is. There's a lot of you
hear all this altruism. I am going to go down
with a ship, be loyal. Oh that's nonsense. You end
up like Mike Trout and Barry Sanders. You end up
surrounding yourself with secondary executives, managers, coaches, people hitting in

(09:38):
front of you, left guards blocking for you. That's why
I've said with Joe Burrow, Joe, you got to talk
to your agent and consider demanding a trade. Cincinnati, Carson
Palmer said enough is enough. So I mean Kevin Garnett's
biggest regret. Remember when he got to the South, he said,

(10:00):
my only regret in the NBA, I didn't I didn't
leave Minnesota at the time, dysfunctional earlier. So Micah Parsons
in this deal should have absolutely no regrets. It's one
of those Saquon Barkley moves, Matt Stafford moves, and Shoe
Hao Tani moves. He is leaving dysfunction and an average
roster and an average staff and he is upgrading across

(10:22):
the board. And Uncle Colin life rule number seven or eight,
I forgot ride the wave in life. Don't fight the current.
The packers, they win, they coach, they draft, they develop.
You go to Green Bay. You ride that momentum, that culture,

(10:43):
and that winning wave. Sadly in Dallas last twenty years
for the great players. It feels like you're fighting a current.
All right, j Mac bringing the energy today tonight there's
a fascinating and we won't spend a ton of time
on it, but I will tell you you and I

(11:05):
are on opposite sides tonight. Yeah on the NFL game.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Wait, why are we not spending a ton of time
on it? It's a great matchup.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
No, No, Seattle goes to Arizona. You like Seattle? I do.
I think it is a trap bet. It's the biggest
trap bet on the board. So Seattle in a blowout
win where I mean literally just rested people. So in
an insane win, the easiest win of the year, perhaps

(11:33):
short week division rival against an Arizona team that out
played and should have beaten San Francisco, but the fans fancy, Uh,
Seahawks blew them out. Niners beat Arizona. If you watch
the Niners game, Arizona had them beat out, gained them
more yards yards per play. Arizona is a tough division rival.

(11:57):
They've always given this to division problems. Now they're at home,
short week Seahawks. Maybe take their foot off the gas
after a blowout like college level win.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
That's very none of that I can refute. I like it.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
My issue is, you know, James Connor is like the
emotional center of that team and he goes down out
for the season. That's a big loss. In addition, their
secondary is real beat up. Will Johnson, the young kid
out of Michigan who's having any time decision. Yeah, he's injured.
And Sam Darnold numbers against the play action have been amazing.
I think Seattle kind of wins this one handling. I'm

(12:32):
higher than mark out on Seattle. I think they're a
legit well, you.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Know, I like it, threat, you know, I like Seattle.
I think when you played division rivals in loud stadiums
with capable quarterbacks, coming off a lollipop win against the
team that played out play the Niners and lost to me,
it feels so trappy. I have some Kyler.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
Numbers we'll talk about later against Seattle last year, hint,
they were awful.

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Greg Cosel. NFL Films Live, It's the herd. Wherever you
may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. Jmac. Do you like I
watched PFF. I've disagreed through the years on PFF, but
I think by and large, Chris Collins was company's pretty accurate.

(14:32):
So it's funny Aaron Rodgers right now, the Vikings play
the Steelers in Dublin. We both like the Vikings in
this game. Carson Wentz, according to PFF, is kind of
middle of the pack grade. Aaron's the second lowest graded
quarterback below Spencer Ratler, who's never I don't think he's
ever won an NFL start. But it's funny i've watched Aaron.
I would have never guessed that he was that slowly

(14:54):
grated he's made. You know, he still does the back
shoulder stuff. I thought he got a bad interception, he
got a bad break from a teammate that made a
mistake against Seattle that wasn't his fault. I have not
when I watch I watched almost every snap this year.
I would never guess he's the second lowest credited quarterback.
I would think middle of the pack, and he's he's
strictly a pocket quarterback right now. But it's interesting and

(15:17):
and I'm I'm this is not a criticism, but I
think Aaron and Carson Wentz right now are fairly similar
past their primes, had some injuries, both more than capable arms.
Wenz doesn't move like he used to. He's a pocket guy.
Aaron doesn't move like he used to. He's a pocket guy.
But PFF has one guy at the bottom of the
wrong and the other guy. It's pretty interesting. Do you

(15:40):
buy it, PFF? Do you do you trust their numbers ranking?

Speaker 10 (15:43):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (15:43):
Yeah, I think for sure.

Speaker 6 (15:44):
You know, any like anything right outside of sports, you
take a little of info from PFF, you take a
little info from here EPA success, right, you put all
of it together. You don't just look at PFF and say,
Aaron Rodgers stinks, but he's not passing the eye test, Colin.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Let's be real.

Speaker 6 (16:00):
You know, he looked okay against that Jets team, but
they've proven to be like a kind of a mid
to bad defense so far.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
And Seattle kind of confounded him.

Speaker 6 (16:08):
So I know, I haven't really seen it the eye test,
but PFF is confirming what.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
I what's interesting about this game is Aaron. There were
rumors that the Vikings Kevin O'Connell the head coach. There
were rumors they were in on Aaron Rodgers that leaked out.
Aaron denied it. Aaron did clarify it yesterday when asked
about the team he's facing this weekend on the Vikings.

Speaker 11 (16:33):
I'll just reiterate that Kevin and I have been friends
since two thousand and eight. We used to work out
together at a little place called Fitness Quest ten out
in North County, San Diego. So I've known him forever.
We've been friends forever, and we keep in touch with you.
One of the guys that keep in touch with thanks
never progressed, you know, farther than catchup conversations. I'll just

(16:59):
leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
All right, Just leave it at that. I don't know
what that means, but I'll leave it at that, and
we'll start it. Not leave it with Greg Cosel forty
six years NFL film. We got a lot of ground
to cover here, and I can't wait for today. So
last week, when I started to compliment Caleb Williams, I
heard this avalanche, this chorus of it was the Cowboys.

(17:23):
He hit open receivers. Dallas is a mess. Was there
anything you watched or that changed that you looked at
Caleb Williams and said, Okay, that's a step in the
right direction.

Speaker 10 (17:37):
Well, Colin the way I answer that is the litmus
test in a Ben Johnson passing game are throws between
the numbers at the intermediate level. If you start to
see those kinds of throws with more consistency, that will
tell you that Caleb Williams is getting a better understanding
and figuring out how to run this offense. Because think

(17:58):
back to Detroit with Jackared Goff. Jared Goff under Ben
Johnson was probably the best between the numbers thrower at
the intermediate level in football because that's the way Ben
Johnson structures many of his route concepts. And we saw
some of that last week. So for me, it wasn't
the nature of the opponent that just adds to the
numbers and makes the numbers look better. It's whether Williams

(18:23):
is seeing it the right way for those difficult window
throws between the numbers. That's the best way to look
at his development and progress under Ben Johnson.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
So there was a discussion last week. It was a
topic on this show. I said, in the NFL, start
the quarterback that helps you win sunday. Don't worry about
where you drafted a guy who helps you win someday.
And I said, in my opinion, I said, as the
Vikings face the Steelers over in Dublin, I said, I
think Carson Wentz today is better than JJ McCarthy today.

(18:54):
I was always a Wentz fan. I thought he was reckless.

Speaker 10 (18:58):
Jalas too.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
I was a fan, big strong guy, little reckless, had
a little Sam Darnold amazing moments, a little reckless. So
what does he bring to the Vikings offense? I think
they're so well coached that I think Carson Wentz. It
wouldn't shock me if you said in a month, oh,
they went in a five game winning streak, what did
you see?

Speaker 10 (19:20):
Yeah, last week was a tough way to really evaluate
him because of the way the game played out. Obviously
he didn't turn it over. The issues that he's always
had are still there. He's a wide base thrower, so
what happens at times when there is pressure around him,
he tends to rush his throws and can become a
little scattershot. But he made a couple of great throws

(19:41):
last week. The thirty six yardert of Jefferson was a
short throw and a long run, but it was a
phenomenal window throw into a really tight window. So he's
capable of those things. And I heard you speaking before.
He doesn't move like he used to, so he's essentially
a pocket player. So we'll see what happens in tighter
game where instead of being ahead and not having to

(20:03):
throw very much. He only threw six balls in the
second half last week against Cincinnati. If he has to
throw thirty five forty times, we'll see, because sometimes what
that does is it makes some of his issues really
come to the forefront.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
So one of the great mysteries to me in the
NFL is you got about thirteen twelve and a half,
thirteen minutes to make an adjustment. Guys go to the bathroom,
Guys grab something to drink. You don't have a ton
of time. You'll walk in, you walk out. The Philadelphia
Eagles trailed twenty seven to six and then one, and
we're a different offense. Entirely. What didn't they do early

(20:40):
and what did Jalen Hurts. I mean, obviously AJ Brown
was a focal point, but what did the films say
on their second half.

Speaker 10 (20:48):
Well, it's funny you say that because I've had coaches
tell me that the most important player on the Eagles
offense is AJ Brown Because the reality is, if you
want to really buck up and stop the run, you
can do that with bodies and in fact Barkley this year.
Last year, first cot contact for Barkley was four yards
down the field, so he was getting to the second

(21:10):
level clean. This year it's about two yards, so he's
not getting past the first level. Their old line's not
playing as well. But what they do really well and
have for a number of years, is throw outside the
numbers to AJ Brown. That's the strength of Jalen Hurts
as a thrower. Brown is a really tough cover outside
the numbers. He's so strong, he's so physical. That's how

(21:33):
their offense got started with a thirty eight yard fade
route against the Rams in the third quarter, followed by
the touchdown to Goddard, which was the perfect play call
against the coverage that they got. But Brown, like I said,
there's a lot of coaches who believe he's really the
key to that offense because you get so many one
on ones outside because of the run game, and he's
a really difficult cover.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Well. I love Justin Herbert out of college. I loved
him in Oregon. He's a great hitt he comes on
the show, So I've got some confirmation bias here, But
it does feel like he's leading the way in not
the run game. It does feel like they've rammed up right, Yeah,
like they're a bit more aggressive down the field. What
does the film say on Harbaughs offense in year two

(22:16):
with Justin.

Speaker 10 (22:18):
Well, I guess maybe they've locked Greg Roman in a
closet somewhere, because this is now a passing football team
through three weeks. I mean they are dropping back and
throwing the ball. And I think one thing that's important
if you're going to do that, and I always heard
Tom Brady talk this way, is if you're going to
have your quarterback drop back that many times, then he's
got to be more than willing and feel very comfortable

(22:40):
taking six yard throws if those are the throws that
are there. Brady would talk about that a lot that Hey,
if it's first intent and they're gonna give me a
six yard throw, I'm going to take it every time.
And I think Herbert's got that nice balance right now,
colin between understanding that there's nothing wrong in a normal
down and distant situation with taking the shorter throw, staying
ahead of the sticks. And we know he's got a

(23:02):
big arm and can make big times throws and movement
throws obviously when necessary. As we're seeing right here this
I assumes the touchdown al and yes it is, and
you can he certainly can do that. But through three
games they are a passing offense.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
So we watched the Ravens kind of shockingly get pushed
around for three and a half hours those by the Lions,
and I said, listen, if you're trying to get through
Buffalo and Herbert, I don't know if that defense is
good enough, you may be a team that needs to
make a move on the trade deadline now. Kyle Hamilton, Hamilton,
Rokwan Smith. They've got some good players. They spend their

(23:39):
money on defense. But when you're was it a bad
matchup with a dominating O line of Detroit? Was it
a bad matchup? Or when you look at the film
on Baltimore. Do they just have some realities with personnel.

Speaker 10 (23:54):
Well, in this given game, Matta Bouquet was out and
I believe he'll be out again. Kyle van Noy, who's
a really good player, he was out. Surprisingly, Jones, the
d tackle, who's a really good player, got moved off
the ball a lot. And keep in mind the two
guards for Detroit. One's a second year player Mahogany. The
other is Tate Radledge, a rookie from Georgia. So they

(24:15):
moved those guys throughout the game. But it's funny. I'm
watching the first on tape. I'm talking about to watch
first quarter and a half, and I'm thinking, where's this
big run game? Because they actually stopped him for a
quarter and a half and then everything changed. But they
are giving up the most points in the NFL right now,
and they are really struggling with the run game. And
sometimes you're good players Colin have bad games. Rokwan Smith

(24:37):
did not have a good game, but you're not expecting
that to be the case every game. He's a really
good player. He just did not have a very good game.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, so we've been joking. Jay McK and I have
been joking this league. Darnald Baker, Gino mac Jones, you
give up on him, people give up on them. Then
you look up with a new staff offensive coach and
you're like, wow, Sure, I have been arguing for a
year and a half. I like the Colts roster. I

(25:06):
think Warren now Taylor, Pittman, Pierson. I like their and
I think their offensive line is good. I thought it
really I kept saying with Anthony Richardson, just get somebody
that can complete the layups. They've got really good players,
So I'm My theory is this is not a mirage.
Coaching obviously matters, but like the Colts are, this is

(25:32):
a pretty good roster. It's not the Eagles, but it's
pretty good. Or is it just amazing coaching by Shane Stallin.

Speaker 10 (25:38):
Well, there's a combination. But think of it this way.
How many quarterbacks are Josh Allen, Patrick, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson.
There's very few of those guys. There's not fifty of
those guys out there. So what are most quarterbacks? Colin?
Most quarterbacks are ball distributors and executors of an offense.
That's what you're asking your quarterback to do. That's when

(25:59):
you're coaching him to do and right now, with the
talent they have. They have a very good old line,
they have four receivers, They've got multiple tight ends, including
Tyler Warren who's a very good player. So what is
Jones doing exceptionally well? He's distributing the football, He's making
the right decision, he's making good location throws, he moves

(26:19):
when necessary, He's executing the offense. That's what you want
your quarterback to do. Now, you and I both know
we have no idea what's going to happen Sunday, next week,
three months from now. But all we have is what
we have right now, and at this moment in time,
he is very efficiently executing a well schemed, well designed
offense with a lot of talent.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, so I saw a story this week. Is CJ.
Stroud playing himself out of an extension? So I usually
look at quarterbacks and I say, do they have a
defined elite traite? I think he throws an elite accurate
ball when he's given reasonable time. But they can't run.
Texans second year in a row is bad. It's a

(27:02):
defensive defensive head coach. I worry about the O line regression.
I still think he's a big, accurate distributor of the ball.
I don't think there's much around him offensively. But what
does the film say with this great rookie who doesn't
look the same in the last year and a half.

Speaker 10 (27:19):
No, well, it's funny you say that because it's rookie
season and it started early. I saw, maybe in the
second game of the season, just the precise timing and
anticipation that he threw with, and he really hasn't looked
that way. Last year he didn't, and this year up
to this time, he has not. I think he's not
a truly comfortable player. The old line is certainly an issue.

(27:41):
But again it becomes a difficult balancing at Colin because
you can't you walk into the locker room and say, guys,
you know, I'm not playing well because my own line
is not very good. You can't say that. So you
got to figure out how to function if within a
squeezed and muddy pocket. And I think that's something he's
still figuring out. Now. Are there some plays where the
old line just gives him no time and he doesn't

(28:02):
have a chance. Yes, but at some point you've got
to be able to function, otherwise you're not going to
have a passing game. And right now their passing game
is very inconsistent, very up and down, and he just
doesn't look like the same confidence thrower that's seeing throws
window throws as viable throws the way he did his
rookie season.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, sometimes it's upstairs. You lose confidence, you know, you
lose trust. You said that last year with Mahomes, you
could tell he didn't trust his offensive line, and then
the Super Bowl you shouldn't have trusted it. Yeah, but at.

Speaker 10 (28:34):
Some point you got to play. I mean, you still
got to play, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yeah. So I went back and watched the Packers Browns
game a second time, and I guess my takeaway is
Cleveland's defense is really good and I do really good,
really good, And I think the Packers are young. Young
teams kind of get into their fields. They were playing
real well. Everybody said they're the best team in the league.
They came out without a lot of juice early. They

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probably should have won ten to nights. Thing one bad
pick by Jordan Love. I think it's a one off,
and I think Cleveland's got really good defensive personnel. What
did Cleveland do that Jordan Love couldn't figure out, because
it's not like the Packers don't have excellent young offensive
personnel either.

Speaker 10 (29:19):
No, but I think everything with the Browns starts with
their D line. They play. They have a five man
rotation at d end. Of course, Garrett plays more snaps
than anybody else, but they have a five man rotation.
They're really good inside. This was the best game this
past week that Mason Graham has played in his first
three games in his NFL career. Malik Collins is one

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of those guys that is seemingly on a different team
every year, but is a really good player. So They've
got a lot of juice and a lot of talent
up front, and they play a lot of man coverage,
and they're very good on the back end. I mean,
Denzel Ward is one of the best, probably overlooked corners
in the league. And I had a former coordinator in
the league tell me that the two toughest coordinators that

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he's ever played against are Vic Fangio and Jim Schwartz.
So Jim Schwartz does just enough in terms of rotation
and showing you different pictures on the back end at
key moments that he confuses quarterbacks. And you know in
this league, when I say confused, all it takes is
is half a beat, and that's long enough for it
to be a problem for a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, okay, now a topic I'm gonna like. It took
a while for me to win this debate, but I'm
a Sam Darnold fan. I always felt that he was too.
He always were yeah, tough, athletic, well liked, incredibly coachable,
But I did think he was a reckless player and
he had to play within structure. If you gave him

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structure Town twenty six to twenty eight times with a
decent run game, if you ask him to throw on
third and twelve, it can be trouble. Third and four.
He can be very very good because he's a playmaker
and he's got a nice arm. So what are you
seeing that's clicking in Seattle with Sam Darnold.

Speaker 10 (31:03):
Well, you're starting to see the same thing we saw
last year in Minnesota. You're starting to see the Clint
Kubiak offense. And he basically comes from the same coaching
tree to some extent as Kevin O'Connell. So now you're
seeing more under center, more play action, play action boot
things that make Donald feel very comfortable, that help define

(31:25):
the reads, make them cleaner, so he knows where to
go with the ball, so he's not dropping back and
you're asking him to read everything in front of him,
which quite frankly, is not the strength of his game
when he can see it cleanly and it's defined. As
you said, he is very very talented. And if we
can go to our big play, because this play last

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week against the Saints in the red zone is very
very representative of a Clint Kubiak offense and how Donald
is very efficient within it. And this is play action
boot left and this was such a beautifully designed in
play and Donald can make these throws. He can make
any throw. So right now you're going to see Donald
and again notice that he's under center, so you're going

(32:08):
to see Walker's in the backfield, and they're going to
have three wide receivers on the field, and what they're
going to do here and more and more teams do this,
but it's really important to Seattle's offense is motion by
Horton the rookie wide receiver across the formation. So now
what you're going to see is inside run action and
I want you to focus on the safety Justin Reid,

(32:31):
a really good player. By the way, there's Walker in
the backfield. There's the safety Justin Reid, because this is
a critical piece to this play because what's going to
happen is when you do run action and you throw
at Colin, very often you're putting one defender in conflict.
That's all it takes. Very often one defender. Watch Red's
initial reaction. It's going to be inside and he's going

(32:53):
to step up. That's the critical defender on this play.
You're putting him in conflict. That's a big flow of
Kyle Shanahan as well. So now what you're going to
see after they do that is we're going to go
back to the snap and we're going to look at
the route concept. You're going to see Cup run the
corner route, the tight end's going to work into the flat,

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and JSN, who's having a phenomenal season by the way,
he's going to run the crosser that ties in with
the boot action by Sam Darnold. So now as we
play this, you'll see all the routes work and you
can see how they match up to it. The corner
is going to match cup. That defender is going to
match Barner into the flat and remember read he's the

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one who has to play JSN on the crosser. But
look how he gets sucked up by the run action
and then he goes, oh, you know what, and he
realizes that he's got to hunt up JSN and he
can't do it. So you can really see it clearly
from this angle. This is beautiful play design down in
the high red zone and Donald certainly can make throws

(33:56):
rolling to his left, and this is just the design
and the secution beating the defense. And Darnold's in a
really good situation. And by the way, they have a
very good defense that's only going to get better in Seattle.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, they we just we were talking today about the
Athletic had a They surveyed twenty nine execs, gms and
coaches on the best front offices and it might as
well have been my heard hierarchy, my top ten teams.
And it's like, there's right. People think the gap in
this league is quarterbacks and coaches. But Seattle John Snyder,

(34:28):
when you watch them play. They may not have the
eagle roster, but Greg Seattle is fast. They don't Yeah,
and they've got.

Speaker 10 (34:37):
Yeah, and defensively, Colin, I'm telling you you look at
that roster. Defensively, they've got a very good roster.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, great stuff, Greg Cosel as always NFL films forty
six years. Great talking to you on a Thursday, Greg.

Speaker 10 (34:52):
Thanks, Colin, always appreciate it. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, it's so much of this league is upstairs. But
you know, I mean, you don't know. Some guys take
a while to develop and draft. And everybody was worried
about jsn Is he going to be? Is he going
to be a number one receiver for Seattle? And it's
like I just trusted John Snyder. He looks like a
number one. Then they went and get this kid from
Holt from Colorado State in the fifth round and it's like,

(35:16):
what is it Horton? My bad, it looks like he's
a number two. Now it's early whatever, But Seattle's done
a really good job to get third, fourth, fifth, sixth
round guys who can play. They got a running back
from Miami in the seventh round. He hadn't played a
ton yet, but I watched him in College Martinez and
it was like he averaged four and a half yard
every time I watched Miami. He was a good player.
It's like, how is he available in the seventh round?

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So you know what, the guys upstairs have a huge
influence in this league.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
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Speaker 1 (35:47):
I mean, I've said this now for some time, as
I think you can fool people in the first week
or like, for instance, your legit Detroit Lions have an
all new staff. They look terrible in the first week.
The Jets defense first week defense looked terrible with Aaron Glenn.
When you have new staffs, nobody plays starters in the preseason.
Week one now feels like an extension of the preseason.

(36:08):
In weeks two and three, you're just trying to kind
of figure your way out. But I think as you
get to week three, four and five, it's harder to
fool people. You become what you are. So Aaron Rodgers,
for instance, if you go to week one against the Jets,
it was unbelievable, but Tomlin had been there for a while,
a lot of their personnel had been there. Aaron and
DK Metcalf were the new guys, and the Jets had

(36:30):
an entirely new coaching staff and Aaron Rodgers in Week
one against the Jets was unbelievable. Four touchdowns, no picks.
He completed seventy three percent of his throws. His passer
rating was one thirty seven. Since then, now people have
film Rogers against Seattle in New England. Seattle's really good defense,
New England, really good coaching staff. He struggled sixty percent

(36:54):
completion rate, passer rating in the low thirties, and PFF
has him as the second worst graded quarterback. And now
veteran quarterbacks tend to like structure and habits. Now you're
sending the old guy overseas, and what do you know?
The Vikings with Brian Flores, top six defense, top three

(37:15):
in pressures, top three in takeaways, number four, number four
in pressures, take it away, number three pass defense. So
this is a prime example where I think Minnesota's got
the best overall roster compared to these two. I think
their coaching staff is better. I think they'll travel well.
I think Carson Wentz, you don't have a ton of film.

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If you're the Steelers. How many times have you played him?
There's a lot of stuff. I think the Vikings right
now are an underrated team. They gave Caleb Williams fits
Vikings are undefeated in international games. I think the Steelers
cannot figure out their offensive line in run game for
seven years. So I really like Minnesota in this game.

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And that's how we've come to the conclusion on that
Fisher on the corner. First, Jmax with the news.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Now this is the herdline news.

Speaker 6 (38:09):
Let's start with the Baltimore Ravens Kansas City Chiefs. Huge, huge,
enormous games Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
Ravens one and two. So are the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (38:19):
These teams have had their battles. Usually Casey comes out
on top. Lamar Jackson knows the team needs to get
it together and fast.

Speaker 12 (38:26):
We just got to lock in on what's the hair
right now? You know the game better and practice, watch
film one of those guys, watch ourselves, salescouty ourselves.

Speaker 10 (38:34):
Just get after it.

Speaker 12 (38:35):
Come Sunday. Last three games, even even with the win
versus Cleveland, we was we started off slow. You know,
we just gotta play how we played ball, you know,
play football player raven football.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah, I mean is it personnel? You know, we talked
Greg cosal hour ago said Roe. Kwan Smith, a great player,
did not play a particularly well. They were missing two starters,
and I and I will argue that Detroit was a
bad matchup when you're missing two of your guys up front.
Van Ney Detroit's offensive lines road grading it was. I
thought it was a bad matchup. I didn't think it

(39:06):
would look like that. But I do think the defense
will give a very spirited effort. And also they go
from facing the lions and armor on Saint Brown to
a battle line with no run games. So I think
Kansas City Baltimore, I'd take the points. I think it's
low scoring.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
Well, remember as a draft they went and.

Speaker 6 (39:24):
Got Malachi Starks, the kid out of.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Believe that in Georgia.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
Yeah, and I'm like, why are you doing that? You
already have Kyle Hamilton.

Speaker 6 (39:30):
And then we're like, oh, well the Ravens are smart,
they must.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
Be ahead of the curve. Well, they don't really have
a front at all.

Speaker 6 (39:37):
Did you see Montgomery just running wild on them like
he went crazy? Josh Allen and James Cook like, I
almost wonder if they kind of bricked it.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
Now, it is early, it's only been three games.

Speaker 6 (39:47):
However, the stat you need to know Colin thirteen percent
of one in three teams make the playoffs, just thirteen
and the last team to win this to make the
Super Bowl that started one to three Patriots. So I
don't want to say you crossed the loser off here
from making the super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
But it's a bit of an uphill climb. Yeah, there's
a bit of a rubicon here. I mean, you get
you do get to a point where I don't think
I didn't you know, in the Super Bowl bubble, you
didn't mention this. I didn't put Kansas City in it
or near it. I just I think it's an offensive league.
I think you have to be able to score points.
I mean, we haven't seen Rashi Rice is talented, but
because of his off field stuff banged up, we don't

(40:27):
know what you're getting when he gets back. So I
think Baltimore is the kind of team that could win
multiple playoff games because they'll be super explosive. And I
don't think the AFC this year. I don't think it's
as good as it's been in previous years. I mean,
Houston was a rising team, they're not anymore. Jacksonville doesn't
look to be any good by the way Miami. They're
not dangerous anymore. New England's in a rebuild mode, so

(40:50):
I and Cincinnati Joe Burrows hurt. So I I do
think they can win playoff games, but I don't think
you can be a super Bowl team and get pushed around,
and I think Baltimore will be.

Speaker 6 (41:00):
I'll offer an olive branch to Chiefs fans. Their two
losses are to undefeated Chargers and undefeated Eagles, So maybe, hey,
they're not a superstar top five team, but they're probably
not like the seventeenth best team in the league either,
right Is that fair? All right, let's move on Colin.
Next story is the Bears and Raiders this weekend. Remember

(41:21):
at the draft, Ashton Genty was really linked to Chicago,
but the Raiders grabbed him sixth. So the Bears head
to Vegas Sunday to take on Ashton Genty. And here's
Ben Johnson talking about the young stud running back.

Speaker 13 (41:36):
He's a phenomenal player. I thought the world of him.
You know, he's a hard guy to bring down, compact
yet powerful. You know, you better have low pad level
when you're looking to tackle this guy, or else he's
going to lower his shoulder and run you over.

Speaker 10 (41:53):
He's got that mentality.

Speaker 13 (41:54):
He brought it with him from college. You see it
through the first three games of the season so far,
where he's fearless, he sees a little bit of air,
he steps on the gas, and he plays violently. So
he's a guy that we're certainly aware of, and you know,
we got to do with the best that we can
to bottle him up.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yeah, if I was Chicago, this is a scary game.
You play out of your mind against a very soft team.
Now you go on the road the Raiders. You know
you've got an excellent veteran coaching staff Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly.
And I'll say this about Ashton genty. There's a stat
out there it's hard to wrap your brains around of
his like one hundred forty four rushing yards or something.

(42:35):
One hundred forty four are after contact. So the reality
is there, the offensive line is not getting a push
and so he's having to do it all on his own.
That's kind of what I read into that staff.

Speaker 6 (42:47):
He's getting buried in the backseiel fifty seven percent of
the time, he's getting hit at the line of scrimmage. Now,
some of that has to do with brock Bowers being
dinged up. I'm just gonna again, maybe this is just
a gambler and me talking. Last week, we love the
Cowboys Bears over it didn't hit Colin.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
I'm just curious.

Speaker 6 (43:05):
Ceedee Lamb gets hurt first quarter, knocked out early. What
if he doesn't get knocked out of that game. I
think Dallas moves up and down the field, and maybe
that's a closer game. Maybe the Bears don't win. I
think the Raiders are the side. I don't know about
you against Ceedee Lamb, you saw that they have a
single point of failure. If Lamb's down, they got nothing.
Picketts ain'a one running games on existent offensive line.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Is I will say, I have I feel strongly about
four games this week, and so tonight's the night I
dig into all the numbers and really get into it.
I already know for I'm looking for a fifth. But
I'm I'm with you. I think the Raiders are the side.

(43:50):
I mean again, we're talking about Chicago's got a lot
of young players on that offense. Loveland Burden, It's Caleb
Williams there. They're one of their tackles. The Romadunze like
a new off young head coach. Like these road games
in the NFL are a different. But we saw what

(44:10):
happened in Detroit. They were overwhelmed. They just unraveled. Allegiant
is loud. You have a veteran coaching staff. Gino has
been around the league for a Gino, when there is
an intense pressure on it can let it rip. He
can spin it. So I don't like this spot for
the Bears.

Speaker 10 (44:28):
I'm with you.

Speaker 6 (44:28):
Final story, Colin is Seahawks Cardinals tonight. I teased it
early in the show. I got some Kyler stuff for you.
I'll give it to you after this SoundBite. But Kyler
Murray talked about the Cardinals offense without James Connor.

Speaker 5 (44:41):
They got to get on the same page. Just a
big game for Arizona. Here's Kyler.

Speaker 14 (44:45):
We gotta be more consistent. We got to make the
plays when they're there. It's really simple, as simple as that.
You know, it's really not a complicated game. You gotta
make plays. I'm trying to build confidence each and every
day and continue to give my guys opportunities when they're
when they're there. I'm gonna continue to do you know. Obviously,
Drew mixed calls and then we got to go out
there in next Q. But when whenever the opportunity presents

(45:05):
is so for the chances are there, I'm definitely gonna
give my guys opportunities.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
I'm gonna tell you. They had that San Francisco game.
They got a safety, they led, they had the ball
at midfield, they picked up a first down. You looked
up and the Niners were hitting a game winning field goal.
That was one of those you'll look back on your
schedule and you'll be like, how did we lose that game?
They outgained him, they out rushed him, Arizona gave that
puppy away.

Speaker 6 (45:26):
Yeah, and Marvin Harrison went to drop so Kyler in
two games against Seattle last year, five carries for twenty
five yards in two games Colin He had two of
his worst games of the season against them at a
brutal pick six, Arizona one for five in the red zone.
I'm just gonna remind people, and you know this, McDonald
is a really sharp guy.

Speaker 5 (45:46):
He is a great defensive coordinator. He's a hardball guy.

Speaker 6 (45:48):
He's with John Harbaugh and Baltimore, Jim Harbaugh at Michigan
and Drew Petzig. You know Arizona Cardinal fans a little
worried about this guy. Witherspoon is back for Seattle tonight.
He's the chess piece who gets after Kyler.

Speaker 5 (46:02):
Seahawks win Handley.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
All right, Bunny J Mack with the news.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping that.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
The herd lie Jetfish for a long time. He turned
around an Arizona program that was absolutely lost. Very good personnel.
I they put a lot of guys in the league,
and now he's got the Huskies. They're undefeated. They faced
number one Ohio State at Husky Stadium, a place I've
been a few times, and Jetfish is joining us live.
It is going to be loud in Seattle. Goodness see it.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Jed.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
First of all, it is you've been doing this a
long time, Belichick, Pete Carroll, you've been McVeigh college, you've
been pro in college. This is one of those games,
and you probably had a lot of them in Arizona.
You don't you eventually you won't have many at Washington,
but this may be one of the games that you
look at the personnel on film and go, okay, they
got a lot of NFL bodies. So you go in

(46:54):
as a home underdog. When you go into a game
and you look at that film and you're like, man,
they got some they got some dudes here. How do
you convince your team very early in that game we're
the better team, play with confidence, because Ohio State can
shrink a lot of confidence in this sport.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think our team's thinking
like that. I think our team's excited about this opportunity.
We're playing really good football right now. We've played really
good on offense, we're playing good on defense, we're taking
the ball away, we're scoring points. Our guys are fired up.
We got a lot of NFL players on our roster
right now, and we're going to go attack and we're

(47:35):
gonna go be aggressive, and we know we got a
tough challenge in front of us, but we're just excited
about that opportunity.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
A lot of people haven't seen demand Williams your quarterback play.
I got a text yesterday from an NFL former NFL
quarterback and he's like, this kid can spin it. He goes,
don't you think he'll be the second best quarterback in
the field. He's like, this kid is a rising star.
If our audience has never seen your quarterback play, tell

(48:02):
us about him.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Yeah, I mean, he's a lite in a lot of
different capacities. He's only nineteen years old. We played him
last year in every game about ten plays, played about
ten plays when we beat Michigan, about ten plays against
sc UCLA, and then he played the second half of
the game against Penn State Oregon, and then started against
Oregon and the bowl game. He's got unbelievable skills. He

(48:27):
can throw the ball as well as anybody I've ever
been around in college football, and he could run the
ball better than any guy I've been around in Pro
War college football. He is fast, he's electric, but he's
an incredible decision maker. He's you know, I think we've
gotten I don't know, maybe in his career sixteen touchdowns,
one interception. He just takes care of the ball. He

(48:48):
protects the ball, he understands the ball is our program.
And he's an elite leader for only being a sophomore.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
So you're going to face Jeremiah Smith, who I said
last year probably the best freshman I have ever seen
in college football. He looked like an NFL player, you know,
there's two ways to go about it, all right, bracket
and take it out. We're just going to commit to
that side. But again, you're confident. Washington's always had good corners.
It seems like forever you've had good corners, you know
that you've coached against them, you've coached them. When you

(49:17):
face a guy that is that special, is there a
plan of attack or I mean, do you have to
spend all afternoon on it? But he's an unstoppable force
in in you know, in individual coverage.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Yeah, there's no question. I mean, he's elite, elite to
lead elite, right, We had a guy like that at
t MAC when we were at Arizona's what the eighth
overall pick. I think we have a guy like that
in Denzel Boston currently on our team, where you know,
you one guy doesn't really defend those guys. It takes two,
and it takes a mix of coverages, it takes all

(49:51):
different plans. We've got really good corners. We got two
six foot four corners and you know they're they're pretty
special players, NFL talents. But this guy's elite and we're
going to have to mix it up. We can't just
do one thing on defense, or they'll be you know,
there'll be no chance to be able to take this
guy away. We got to do multiple different things, multiple

(50:12):
different looks, and always have him in our sites. But
the other the guy they got on the other side, Tait,
is pretty good also, So we got a lot of
work to do to be able to defend this team.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
I said, I felt both you and Oregon would do
very well in the Big Ten. You're playing you know,
sometimes windy, wet weather. I wouldn't worry about the palm trees.
I said, Washington and Oregon they're going to do just fine.
They're going to hold you know, they're going to play
home games, and those Big ten teams are going to
come out West and find out how loud it is.
Do you recruit though, whether it's portal or high school.

(50:47):
You know you're down in Arizona, recruit in Texas heavy.
Do you recruit differently knowing you have a Big ten schedule.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Well, we're able to be a little more national recruiting
wise because of the fact that we could sell that
we're gonna be playing on the East Coast, we're gonna
be playing in the West Coast. We're gonna be playing
in the Midwest. You know, there's so many different areas
that we'll be able to attack that people can watch
them on TV or come to a game. We had

(51:17):
three East Coast games last year. We had three this year,
so it's pretty cool in that regard. Unfortunately, you know,
we don't know the game times all the way too early,
so we can't tell them exactly what it's gonna look
like to try to get them there. But we do
feel like we can nationally recruit. We were in the
National Championship Game two years ago, so people know who

(51:39):
Washington is. They played Michigan on the big stage. We
got to find a way to get back there. To
continue to re emphasize the type of program that we are.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
You had to replace this is insane. Eleven offensive starters.
There's no way in your career you've ever had to
do that. When you now, good, good thing, you got
the portal, hell help a lot. But when you replace
eleven starters, did you look at it and go, Okay,
we got to be ramped up here. Ohio State's coming
to our place. Was it a slow process or did

(52:12):
you think to yourself, Hey, I'm just gonna dump the
playbook on him. You guys are nineteen twenty twenty one,
figured out how have you grown with the eleven new
offensive starters?

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Yeah, well, luckily they were They came in the spring
and we were able. We're starting in this game two
freshman wide receivers and a freshman guard and a nineteen
year old quarterback, and we're young. We're young in a
lot of areas, and we just felt like we needed
to be able to fast forward the learning curve. And

(52:44):
fortunately I worked for Jim Harbaugh for a couple of years.
When we got to Michigan together, and you know, training camp,
there's no need to not meet, and there's no need
to not practice. And we met a lot and we
practiced a lot, and we made football the most important thing.
And when you have that hardball mentality a little bit,
you just you realize like you could just find ways,

(53:06):
find ways to teach them football and just infuse football
into their blood.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
When we first met, I told you I grew up
as a Husky fan and had been the Husky stadium,
and I remember exactly what you said. You're like, man,
that is a get a job and stay there forever job.
You had said like that place is crazy? Has it
fulfilled Husky Stadium afternoon? Is it as special as you
thought it would be?

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Yeah? You know when we first met, I think I
was zero and two or owing three against you dub
on the road up at Husky Stadium, and the place
was just uniquely you know, just a unique spot of
just noise and the stadiums so beautiful and we're six
to o it. Well, now we're eight and oh at home.
Since I've been here, and it's been pretty cool. The environment,

(53:54):
the way it feels, the way it looks. You know
the fact that families can take boats over to the games,
and it's so loud, and it's going to be rockin'
uh tomorrow on Saturday, and it's going to be noon
or twelve thirty kickoff all purple and uh. I just
called our fans and our student section. Man, let's just

(54:15):
let's make this thing elite.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Oh, it will be. You know, you were a college
roommate of Howie Roseman. Everybody knows that. And listen, I
know how he's picked your brain. But my guess is
you call him and pick his brain. What and I
think he's the best gym in football? What is how
we taught you that you could tell our audience publicly

(54:38):
about personnel and how he views athletes, because I guarantee
you he's picked your brain more than once.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Oh yeah, I mean we have a great, obviously give
and take relationship, and I'm constantly trying to understand, you know,
how to how to make the most of this new
era where we're you know, where we're playing with a
with a cap, how to know spend your resources. I've
talked to him numerous times about what type of investment

(55:05):
you make in the trenches versus the perimeter, what type
of investment you make when you re sign your quarterback,
and what does that mean. Hiring staff. He's an amazing
you know, you look at the guys he's hired. You know,
he's been to the super Bowl with Doug Peterson, He's
been to the Super Bowl with Nick Sterry, and he's
won super Bowls with both those guys. Been to the

(55:25):
Super Bowl with Andy Reid, Hired Chip Kelly. You know,
he's he's just hired great coaches, hired assistant coaches. Vick
Fangio's his defensive coordinator. Just constantly is in that process
of finding coaches and finding players. So we talk about
where do you want to invest your team, And if
you look at their D line, what they've you know,

(55:46):
what they've decided on is they're going to win in
the trenches and they're going to find a quarterback that
can both run and throw. And if you look at
what we're trying to do, we're trying to win in
the trenches and we're trying to find that quarterback that
can both run and throw and has extreme leadership. And
I think we're trying to replicate that model that he
has with the running back Jonah Coleman for us, say

(56:10):
quant for him, with the receivers aj for him, and
then obviously Denzel for us, and then with that offensive
line of defensive line.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Yeah. Well, every time the Huskies have the right coach,
go back to Don James, Rick Neuheisel got to a
Rose Bowl, Chris Peterson got to the playoff, and Kaylin
de Boorr got in there. I've always said when Washington
gets the right coach, they're very good and they get
it rolling. And now you have a national conference in
the Big Ten. I got to ask you one question,

(56:39):
two quick ones. One, you've been under McVeigh, Belichick, Pete
and Harball I said this, I got pushback. I said,
is hardball count Collagen pro? Is he the best football
coach ever? He's He's taken five messes, They're good. Instantly
he leaves in there? No good again? What is I
ask everybody this that knows him, what is his secret?

(57:01):
Sauce if I.

Speaker 8 (57:02):
Never met him?

Speaker 1 (57:03):
And I said, Jed, what's this mystery? Coach? Jim Harball like,
what would you answer?

Speaker 3 (57:09):
His genuine love for football rubs off on everybody in
the room. And I saw your take.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
On that of here, say, this kid for Washington is
the real deal. I can't wait to watch it, Jed.
I appreciate you giving us ten minutes. You know I'm
a huge fan.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Yeah, thanks, Colin. I appreciate you having me all right.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
The Huskies Husky Stadium. I mean, how lucky are we
this weekend? I mean you got two three of the
biggest games of the weekend. Oh that's crazy, Jay Matt,
Can I interest you in a money line Husky?

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Bet?

Speaker 10 (57:41):
No? But I did.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
I took the ten that's long.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Ah God, Yeah, it's going to be a listen, Julian
Sand's a kid. Ohio State sending a kid.

Speaker 6 (57:50):
They haven't played like a real road game with this
young quarterback, So you're right, it could be a hostile
environment between that game. I like Bama, you were on Georgia,
obviously Penn State. There's just a lot of action this weekend.
Probably can't go out drinking Friday.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Can you a big guy? You know what I've You know,
I get home and do homework. I do analytic break now.

Speaker 6 (58:12):
Crunching that Illinois depth chart with all those injuries. Liner,
you know, is on my basketball team, was telling me, hey,
Illinois really banged up.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
They are.

Speaker 6 (58:19):
It's like, oh boy, Coward's gonna feast when USC. Maybe
you open with the Trojans one day if the if
US he puts one on Illinois.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
You you framed me as some sort of homer. Oh honesty,
broker day one to the very.

Speaker 6 (58:35):
End, you know, I think I see can you tell
show me what T shirt you're wearing under that?

Speaker 5 (58:39):
It looks like the maroon from USC. Can I see
that as peeking.

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