Best of The Herd

Colin reacts to the New York Yankees' disappointing ALDS exit, breaking down what went wrong and what’s next for the storied franchise. He also makes a bold case for Detroit Lions quarterback Jared Goff as a future NFL Hall of Famer, backing it up with stats

Then, NFL Films analyst Greg Cosell joins the show to dissect the Kansas City Chiefs’ 2-3 start, what’s slowing down Patrick Mahomes, and whether Andy Reid can turn things around

Plus, 2-time Super Bowl Champion Phil Simms shares his insight on the Philadelphia Eagles offensive struggles, and why head coach Nick Sirianni is the one who needs to get them back on track

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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver
on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
It is a Thursday, and once again best time of
the year in sports. There is a ton to talk about,
ascending teams, seasons, ending seasons on the brink. One hour
from now, Greg Cosell stops by best fifteen minutes of
football talk all week, arguably on this show or any show.

(00:49):
It's Greg Cosel Jmax. A team from Canada. Oh Canada
has eliminated your New York Yankees, and it was in
fairly dominating fashion.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
And I know it's painful to one and then to
the error, you know, like, come on, I was close.
I don't know, doubt it.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Let's have a harsh talk this. I'll be a therapist
for the New York Yankees. Let's all sit down, take
a deep breath and admit The Yankees just aren't that good.
They're good, They're not that good. Think about this. I
looked it up this morning. If you take out the
American League Central in the playoffs since two thousand and nine,

(01:31):
the last World Series, the Yankees are three and ten
against every other division in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Three and ten.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah, they're great against the middling payroll American League Central
since that time, eight and two. Aaron Judge is great.
Garrett Cole and Max Freed if they're healthy. What a
one to two punch. I like Jazz Chisholm. I like him,
don't love him. But they just got out hit by
Toronto fifty hits to thirty four. And the Jay's are
the better fielding team. They strike out less, they get

(01:58):
more hits, more contact hitters, they create more action.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
The Yankees feel like an unbalanced diet, too much protein,
not enough green. Like all those weirdos on TikTok selling
you and lecturing you on the carnivore diet. Hey Champ
mixing a carrot. The Yankees are completely beholden. This team
is once Carrett Garrett Cole got hurt to home runs. Yeah,
Garrett Stanton had seven last year in the playoffs. This

(02:26):
year had none. It's a totally unbalanced baseball team. And
Aaron Judges great, But last year was all on Garrett Cole.
When you took Garrett Cole out against the Dodgers, they
looked like one of those American League Central teams against
the Dodgers. This year it's all on Aaron Judge because
you don't have coal. And it's I mean again, you

(02:46):
needed Stanton and Judge to both be great. Aaron was
John Carlos Stanton, where's the deep ball?

Speaker 3 (02:53):
So I mean, if you want to.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Talk about balance, and you can hit home runs and
pay a lot of money and have balance, the Dodgers
last year, Oh Tawny, a historic regular season carried the
Dodgers and then Tommy Edmund Nationallygue Championship Series, MVP, and
the World Series. It was Freddie Freeman. That's balance. Yankees

(03:14):
have none. It's just completely unbalanced. And here's the other thing,
this is probably the last run with these guys. It
should be I mean, Aaron Judge next year is going
to be thirty four in the season, Stanton's going to
be thirty five. Garrett Cole's going to be thirty five,
off an injury. So they need to get younger, they
need to get more athletic, and they need to turn

(03:35):
radio off. I mean, it's not a coincidence that Seattle
and Milwaukee and a lot of these medium markets are
really good right now. They don't react to the noise
outside the building. I mean, you take out since they
last won a World Series in two thousand and nine.
They do not beat top tier franchises. They beat the

(03:56):
American League Central in the playoffs eight and two. They're
great again, it's the Central, but those teams don't have
any money. The Dodgers spend it, but spend it smarter.
The Cubs are spending it smarter. They're just running into Milwaukee.
So it's a little bit like the Pittsburgh Steelers. The
brand is big, they do a lot of things well,

(04:17):
they draft pretty well. But you know the Steelers, when
do they beat elite quarterbacks in the playoffs? They don't.
Ten years they don't. When do the Yankees beat good
franchises in the playoffs? They're all and four against the Astros.
Astros just fell apart this year physically, But again, who

(04:38):
are you beating? Like the Dodgers have their hands full
with the Phillies. The Phillies are great. My guess is
the Dodgers probably figure out a way to win one
of the next two games. But the Phillies are great,
and the Dodgers are great, and Milwaukee is really really good.
Toronto's excellent. They do a lot of things. Well, what

(04:58):
do the Yankees do well?

Speaker 3 (05:00):
So?

Speaker 1 (05:01):
I mean this is this is Aaron Judge on this.
Their stars are old Garrett Cole Stanton Aaron Judge, I mean,
you gotta start moving some pieces, do you not.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Here's Aaron after nothing.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
Once again, it comes down to the little things. Making
the little plays come with the big hit. If you
don't do that, give team duxture outs. You know they're
going to capitalize on it. For us, we gotta we
gotta clean a couple of things up and we'll be
right back here.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
The other thing is this is it's like an annual tradition.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
It is so predictable.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Is that you know, the Giants and the Jets and
the Nicks and the Nets and the Mets, they're always
just moving pieces left and right, and fire and gms
and firing coaches and the knock in New York as
they're too patient Brian Cashman need to relieve him. Why
don't they have more good players? Well, analytics and baseball
the guys upstairs are making a lot of the calls,

(06:00):
So let's blame the manager. But the truth is, Aaron
Boone I don't know how much power he has. I mean,
I'm listening to Derek Jeter after that loss last night
talk about the current state of the New York Yankees
and Aaron Boone, and I think there is a lot
of truth And what Derek Jeter said.

Speaker 6 (06:19):
What's tough is for the Yankee fans, right, this is
the second year in a row that they've watched another
team celebrate on their home field, and you can.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Feel the frustration. Aaron did a good job.

Speaker 6 (06:32):
I mean, look, he's working with what he has to
work with, and he sticks up for his players. I
know he takes a lot of heat, but look, I'm
not saying it from any inside knowledge, but I'm pretty
sure Aaron's not the one that's calling every move that
they make throughout the game.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Go look at the salaries of Major League Baseball managers.
They make about half of what a college football coach makes.
There's a reason they've been marginalized they don't matter, right,
so they have to be pro player to keep their jobs.
You don't want to disrupt the locker room. Players have
never made more money three four five hundred million, So
you can blame Aaron Boone. But I look at this

(07:09):
team and I just see an unbalanced diet, not enough greens,
home run dependent last year, Garrett Cole dependent. The truth
is when Garrett Cole got hurt before the season. I
think we talked about it on the show. You're not
a World Series team, but it's more than that. It's
the average base running. They're not athletic enough. They're not
a great fielding team. They don't sacrifice, they strike out

(07:31):
too much. Let's be honest, Toronto dominated them. The Toronto
Blue Jays weren't just better than the Yankees. They are
a lot better than the Yankees. They don't strike out
as much, more contact guys, they get on base more,
and their pitching was better.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
All right.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
So there's a couple of stories on Bill Belichick yesterday
after our show. One story says, and there are those
disputing it, is that North Carolina and Belichick are already
working on aut So the person who's stating that isn't
a big name, doesn't work at a big company. I
don't know how realistic it is, but I thought about

(08:08):
this yesterday when I heard it. If I said give
me four or five words that explain the NFL, you'd
say shield corporate, professional business, kind of cutthroat. If I
said five or six words that explain college football, pageantry, bands,
alumni donors, fun, which one does it sound like Bill

(08:31):
Belichick would fit in. I thought this from the beginning.
I thought it was a bit of a money grab.
He showed no interest in college football. None, none. I mean,
look at his draft the last seven years in New England.
He clearly doesn't watch the sport until he has to
at the Senior Bowl. But he's a new year job,
bottom line guy. And that's what not College football's not

(08:52):
college football. When you win, sometimes you got to dance
with the players. It's not about culture. Sometimes you got
to dance with the players. You can look at Nick
Saban and go oh, he's harsh. Nick Saban's charming and
can be funny. You watch him on television. Nick's great,
he's funny, he's charming, he's a great storyteller. I mean,
the whole thing is felt weird, Like the Jordan Hudson

(09:13):
relationship doesn't bother me. To each their own, but I
mean she's kind of the age of some of the players.
Maybe to parents administrators, there's an ick factor and recently
Carolina had a buy. Bill goes to Nantucket with his girlfriend.
That's not what Dan Lanning's doing. He's on the phone

(09:33):
to recruits. Nick Saban the day after winning a national
championship is on the recruiting trail. So you've got to
be totally committed to college football. And it's a different vibe, totally.
Sometimes you got to dance with the players. And Mike Lombardi,
the GM is again, he's not your warm uncle.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
You know, that's just not his personality. And that's okay.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Bill's a pro guy, Mike's a pro guy. That's who
they are. So I think a lot of times I
talk about this all the time. Fit happens right and
fit matters, and you know, he comes out with a
book and chapel Bill and Bill had bills. The NFL
said no thanks, and Bill's got bills to pay. He's

(10:13):
got the Florida house, the Nantucket plays, the boats and
the lifestyle, and he not flying Southwest Airlines and Bill's like,
I'll take it. But from the very beginning, I was
suspicious about the buyout. Didn't you guys think that was crazy?
Bill and his agent negotiated a very very small buyout,
meaning if Bill got a job within a year, he

(10:33):
could leave buyouts nothing. So I don't know which story
is true. It's not going well, it's going sideways. It's
circling the drain. But to be great in college football,
it's a lot of things, and it's sometimes it is
connective tissue with players and parents. And I said, when
Bill got this job, I said, do you really think

(10:55):
Bill's going to be going to volleyball matches cheering on that? Well,
that's what you got to do in college. Sometimes you
gotta go watch the softball team and go drop by
the volleyball coach's office and call and deal with parents
and say hi to the administrators. Let's go grab a
cocktail tonight. That's part of college football. College football is

(11:19):
more fun than the NFL. The NFL is just better,
better coaching, more professional, better quarterback play. It's professional sports,
which is always better than college sports. And you know,
it's just run better. Big cities big brands a lot
of money. But college football is awesome, but it's a
bit more joyful and fun to those two words sound

(11:42):
like Bill Belichick. So we'll keep you updated on that story.
Some are disputing that the buyouts happening. I don't have
any insight in North Carolina football. I was actually at
a place last night. I'm not going to give you
the specifics, but first person I saw is a big, big,
big Carolina I would just say supporter as a business person.

(12:08):
I know, very sharp, former player and he was on
the field against Clemson. I said what it was it like?
He said, we were beat before that thing started. No energy,
no juice. College football is about running out of the
tunnel Miami, the smoke's coming out, the fight song, the

(12:31):
Rock and Clemson and coming out of the tunnel is
a big deal in college football. No juice, no energy,
and at this point, no shot in Carolina for Belichick.
So Jay Mac, I want you to turn that frown
upside down in the Yankees.

Speaker 7 (12:48):
Wait, wait, you bury the lead. You're hanging out with
Michael Jordan last night, A big god on the.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Sideline of the Clemson game. Oh good stuff, coward, Yeah, listen, Yankees.
Tough loss.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
We move on.

Speaker 7 (13:00):
We'll be back next year, win ninety games. Right back
in the thicket thing.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
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Speaker 1 (14:06):
There is nothing wrong with working at one company with
one boss and having great success. It's probably you know,
gives you, you know, a sense of security. But there
is something to be said about entrepreneurs that can start
five different businesses and work with multiple people and succeed
over and over and over. That's impressive, right, Like and

(14:29):
I yesterday I said, Jared Goff has had seven coordinators.
He's been really good with six of them. The first
was a disaster. The whole staff was. And I said,
Jared Goff's absolutely to a Hall of Famer. Guy is
still in his prime. Jared Goff does not get hurt
despite his kind of tall and lanky frame. I would

(14:49):
say he's got at least because his strength is throwing
the football. And quarterbacks can throw the football. Drew Bledsoe
could grab a football today and throw a thirty five
yard out.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
They lose legs.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
So Jared Goff has got four to five years of
prime left because he throws. He's like Steph Curry. Steph
will be able to shoot when he's fifty. He'll just
lose his legs. Golf's a thrower. And so but when
I said this yesterday, he's a first pollot Hall of Famer.
People just freaked out. So since twenty seventeen, eight years
is a pretty big span with seven coordinators, number one

(15:24):
in the league in completions, passing yards in big pass plays,
number two in passing touchdowns, and wins, five playoff appearances,
two conference championships. Again, he's still in his prime. But
the two reasons why Pete, I mean, it's so obvious.
If he was a flashy player, you'd all have him
in the Hall of Fame. But he's not, so there's

(15:44):
an aesthetic here. He's kind of boring. But if you
think about why doesn't everybody get Jared Goff? Number one
is first impressions matter, and his first season was brutal,
zero for seven. McVeigh wasn't there yet. He looked like
a complete bust. He didn't know which direction the sunset.
Remember that you got to see it on hard knocks,

(16:07):
so you watch this disaster. First impressions are really powerful.
And the second reason you're all struggling with it is
Matt Stafford won a Super Bowl the first year in
LA McVeigh punted on Goff. First impressions are really powerful.
Matt Stafford's first year in LA Jared goff first year

(16:31):
powerful moments. Let me remind you Goff was a number
one pick and Stafford was a number one pick. Okay,
and people forget this. The Rams wanted to reboot at quarterback,
so did the Lions. Brad Holmes is the least talked
about great personnel guy in the last ten years in

(16:53):
this league. He does not miss on his top picks
in the draft. The GM miss on trades. Brad Holmes
is great. What was his first move to move off
Stafford and to go get GoF? So the big game
hunting GM and Detroit, It's like, y'all take Goff and

(17:14):
the Rams will pay some of the salary. He's turned
those picks with GoF into home runs like Jamir Gibbs.
But I think people forget that. It's not linear. Jeter
Kobe Elway, that's storybook. That doesn't happen much one team,
all those memories loyal forever. Brady Belichick wanted about two
years before he went to Tampa Montana ends with the Chiefs,

(17:37):
Peyton Manning, ends with Denver Lebron's had three separate moves.
That's typical. Jeter Kobe and lway, that's storybook. That stuff
doesn't happen. Michael Jordan is early teammates and coaches didn't
like him and they couldn't stand in Washington, he got Phil.
It all worked. So here's the other thing to remember

(17:59):
that GoF went to a total rebuild in Detroit and
Stafford went to McVeigh, Andrew Whitworth, Cooper, Copp von Miller.
Yet since the trade, look at the numbers between Golf
and Stafford, and I love Stafford. Golf's bettered everything wins yards, touchdowns,

(18:22):
fewer picks, passer rating, and that includes the rebuild years
in Detroit. Stafford took over baked ready to pull out
of the oven and consume, and Golf's numbers are still better.
And we think the Rams know what they're doing. So

(18:43):
the Rams were better. Initially had kind of a quasi
one year rebuild hit on a bunch of defensive draft picks.
Now Stafford's had the better defense, I would say on average,
Golf's had to me. I mean they've both had great
receivers omor On Saint Brown, pooka Cooper cut now Devonte Adams.
They've both had good skilled people. Both have good running backs.

(19:05):
But if you look at the numbers since the trade,
and that includes Goff having him go through a two
year rebuilt golf' numbers are better across the board. So
but I think it just first impressions are incredibly powerful,
and that first year oh and seven, and it was
on hard knocks, and then the Rams punt golf, and

(19:27):
then Stafford comes in and win. People just they can't
put their arms around it. If Jared Goff had a
little wiggle in his step, if he moved, I'm not
saying like Lamar Jackson or Kyler Murray, but if he
moved like even bo Nicks, everybody would be like, ohyah,
that's a Hall of Famer. Goff is the last pure

(19:48):
pocket guy we have drafted as a number one pick.
It's interesting how it works. I mean, Caleb Williams, I
think it's fair to say, has struggled with basic operations
with the Bear, and people are like they always lean
to the positive. I like what I see. It is
getting very interesting. Goth's not as much fun to watch.

(20:10):
The guy is second and wins first and everything else.
Everybody's like, I just don't see it. I've said this
about Russell Westbrook Russell Westbrook. You can't take your eyes
off him. He's so hyper athletic. But he is a
guard that can't shoot right, like like John Stockton kind
of boring. Could shoot and did a lot of dirty
work and it, but Stockton wasn't as much fun to watch.

(20:33):
So and that that's just a lot of it. Goff
is still in his prime, and and and and because
he is not like an NBA shooter, He's gonna age well,
Jared Gof's gonna age well. He's got a great GM.
They's always gonna have good players around him. Amar On

(20:53):
Saint Brown Prime, Finasul Prime. They just drafted interior linemen.
Two of them looked really good. J Mack, what are
your friends texting now? No?

Speaker 3 (21:02):
No, I didn't look at my phone.

Speaker 7 (21:03):
I was trying to come up with a comp for
golf because you think he's such a lock. So I
think the best I can come up with is Philip
Rivers really really good quarterback, great regular season numbers, longevity.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
I mean he played seventeen seasons. How many conference championships?

Speaker 7 (21:20):
Yeah, no super Bowl appearances, but he had a five
and seven playoff record.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Golf is four and five currently, So I mean, golf
is on track.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
But golf is having to do much more postseason success.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
I mean four and five versus five and seven.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
To conference championships. Okay, well that's you know, It's like
Andy Reid was great before Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Do you think Rivers is a lock?

Speaker 10 (21:47):
No?

Speaker 3 (21:47):
I don't think.

Speaker 7 (21:48):
Okay, So do you think golf like is that much
better than Philip Rivers?

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Like, if you're impressive, it's not about who's better. It's
about a lot of it's productivity. And if you go
eight years into Philip rivers career, did he have the
most wins in the league? Did he have the most
big plays in the league? I mean, Philip was great. Now,
you'll never argue, you know, I'll never bang on Philip Rivers.
I loved Philip Rivers game. He wasn't very athletic, less

(22:15):
athletic than golf. Actually yeah, but at the end, especially
but when when you start putting up these numbers, you know,
it's just it's a classic example. If you keep succeeding
like anybody, I mean, let's be honest, a lot of
powerball winners either go broke or lose a majority of
the money. Right, some people do get like a great

(22:36):
hand in life. They get rich parents, their trust fund kids.
But to me, it's always been about what do you
do with it? Like what do you do if you,
let's say tomorrow you win the power Ball at Las,
you get about five of it? Can you turn the
five into twenty five? Most people can't. I could they
turned the five into one? Right or less than that?
So my point is, yeah, Jared Goff got McVeagh and

(22:57):
Andrew Whitworth. Okay, that was a great break, and he
got to a super Bowl and then he got a
great GM, but they were awful when he got there,
and he keeps winning.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah, that the best case for GoF is man. He
got kicked to the curb by McVeigh, right, that was harsh.

Speaker 7 (23:13):
He went to a super Bowl and he didn't give
up or throwing the towel or stink.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
He kind of thrived. And I think that's great. I
just it's a to me, it's a little reach to
say hall of Fame.

Speaker 7 (23:24):
I definitely am a fan. I think he's been outstanding.
He's got a little work to do.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
I'll ask you this Detroit gets to a super Bowl,
Jared Goff was still five years of prime will be
to two Super Bowls. It's Peggott. Yeah, I mean Russell
Wilson only got to okay, But again Russell is a
prime example. Yes, that's why I brought him up.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Let's go to back to the beginning of my argument.
Who did Russell succeed with kind of one group of players?
By the end, Pete wanted about Tom that wanted him out,
Peyton wanted him out, and Dabell's not interested. So Russell had,
like golf, this really good run. But did he succeed
with multiple people? And that's the start of this rant.

(24:04):
But that's part of what makes Goff great is seven
coordinators and six he's crushed with.

Speaker 7 (24:10):
What hurts Russell Wilson is he struggled in Denver, did
not he butted heads with Peyton, struggled nice. Then he
was in Pittsburgh that you know, Land of the Year.
Now he's in the Giants. He's been benched before September
was finished.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
So if you're close, like one of the arguments for
Philip Rivers, it actually helps him in this way. When
he was at his oldest and the least athletic quarterback
in the league, and he was and Philip would at
first to admit it. He goes to Indianapolis, goes eleven
and five, goes to Buffalo for a playoff game, and they.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Were in that thing covered the spread.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
I remember, so Philip rivers old Philip got out a
comfortable when to kind of rebuilding Indianapolis. The roster India
had been is not nearly as good as the roster
now for Daniel Jones. This roster now in Indy is
legit top ten, top seven roster that wasn't eleven and five.
I go to Buffalo toe to toe with Josh Allen,

(25:03):
and I remember that game. You're like, this is a
real and that was when Buffalo was at the height
of their powers. So how you end when your borderline matters?
Golf's gonna age really well. Greg co Sell twenty minutes
of brilliance.

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Speaker 1 (25:29):
All right, we go to Greg Cosel forty six years
NFL Films. You know I would argue this week and
people are pushing back. I said, you can mark it down.
With seven coordinators over the last since twenty seventeen, Jared
Goff is number one or number two at everything in
the NFL. Seven coordinators McVeigh, Dan Campbell rebuilding Detroit, and

(25:51):
people are like, come on, Hall of Fame, and I
think some of it is his first year was a
bust and the strong memories first and impressions, and then
Stafford's first year in LA he won a super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
It's like, oh McVeigh, punnittim.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
But if you go to Stafford in golf's numbers all right,
since that trade, and remember golf had a rebuild for
two years in Detroit. Golf's numbers are better when you
look at Detroit. Does GoF deserve more or less credit?
Is it just about the run game? The old lineer?
Do you watch golf and do you say that's an

(26:25):
elite quarterback?

Speaker 4 (26:28):
I would have leaned more toward that.

Speaker 11 (26:31):
I mean GoF in many ways con and you know this,
GoF is somewhat of a dinosaur the way people like
to talk about quarterbacks now, because he's a he's a
pocket quarterback. He's not a playmaker. He's not going to
leave the pocket and make those special plays. So Goff,
as most quarterbacks should be, is a function of a system,

(26:52):
and he can execute a certain system at a really
high level, and he can make throws within that given system.
What he does, I believe better than any quarterback in
the NFL is throw the ball between the numbers. He's
a window thrower and let's say sixteen to twenty five yards.
Those are very difficult throws to make in the National

(27:12):
Football League, and he I think he's the best at it.
But again he's in many respects. People look at the Mahomes,
the Allens, the obviously Lamar, even Burrow when he's healthy,
moves around quite a bit as a better athlete than
a lot of people might think. These are the quarterbacks
we look to now, and Goff's not that guy. He's
essentially a pure pocket quarterback, but at an extremely high level.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
So I thought Mahomes was really you know, he didn't
see Devin Lloyd. Sometimes you don't see in cluttered, congested areas,
you just don't see a linebacker. And so I was
more troubled with Trevor Lawrence's fumble at the one or
his pick. I mean, Brady threw a pick six in
a Super Bowl. Mahomes did not see Devin Lloyd. He
did not see him. But now I think the last

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two weeks with a bunch of young receivers and new guys.
I don't know what the film says. I think Mahomes
is really dialed in right now. And again, this is
not a great old line. They have no running grade,
they don't have a number one receiver. I think he's
playing exceptionally. Well, what's the film say?

Speaker 11 (28:18):
You know what, Colin, It's a very odd offense to
watch because there's very little rhythm and timing to the offense.
There's a lot of short throws. Those obviously have some rhythm.
When I say short throws within maybe six yards of
the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Occasionally they'll take a deep shot.

Speaker 11 (28:33):
There's almost no timing and rhythm intermediate passing game we
just spoke about Jared Goff. There's none of that with
the offense for the Chiefs, and we haven't seen that
maybe for a year year and a half. And then
Mahomes makes special plays. His spatial awareness is as good
as anybody we've ever seen. His ability to move away

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from people, keep his eyes downfield with unbelievable vision, maybe
the best we've ever scene. But from an offensive conceptual standpoint,
you just don't see a lot of rhythmic throws. As
I said, let's say between fifteen and twenty five yards.
And I don't know why. I can't answer as to
why you don't see that, what the issue is, but

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you just don't see it. It's very much a random
offense with can Mahomes make plays and he's so good
at it, and he's so good on third down, particularly
using his legs, that it's a tough offense to defend
because defenses have to change the way they play.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
So I want to talk about Eagles Broncos, and I'll
start yeah with bo Nicks, who Vic Fangio had his number.
And then in the fourth quarter between the play calling,
bo Nicks get the ball out quick. Suddenly Denver got
into a rhythm and it was really pretty and it.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Was chunk, chunk, chunk.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
What did bo Nicks and Sean Payton do in the
fourth that they couldn't do early?

Speaker 11 (29:58):
I don't know if with so much that they did
anything dramatically different. I mean, obviously the third and fifteen
play was great. I mean that was a big time
play and that came against zone coverage. But in the
fourth quarter he also hit Cortland Sutton on two back
shoulder fades where Quinnon Mitchell had great coverage and it
was just good on good and Nix and Sutton and
beating Mitchell. Those were just back shoulder that was match

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up football. You're seeing one of them right now. They
started to run the ball a little bit, which they
couldn't do early in the game. You know, Nicks just
hung in there and played. I mean I didn't see
watching that tape. I didn't come away feeling like wow,
all of a sudden bone, Nicks turned it on and
he played great. When you get in the past game
and you know this, Colin, you get matchup football, or

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you get schematic football where the scheme presents a clean,
defined read for the quarterback. But you also get matchup
football where it's one all one and your guy.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Wins, and sometimes he doesn't win.

Speaker 11 (30:55):
I mean, Nicks made a great throw on the second
play of the game to Sutton on a vertical row
where he got on top of Mitchell and sudden dropped it.
You know, so these things happen as well. But he's
a tough cover and they put Mitchell on him in
sudden one in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
So Philadelphia is not doing anything particularly well. So let's
just concentrate on this. I would argue, you know, week one,
they didn't even throw to AJ Brown, But in the
last four weeks he's getting as many targets statistically as
Justin Jefferson. So they're trying to get in the ball
and it's still not working. Rams the exception. So why

(31:37):
don't Aj and Jalen Hurts work consistently Because they're trying.
The targets tell you they're trying.

Speaker 7 (31:44):
Well.

Speaker 11 (31:45):
First of all, let's start with what they have to
be based on what the quarterback is and what he isn't,
which they know in the building. By the way, the
quarterback has limitations in terms of where he can throw
the ball effectively. He's very good throwing it outside the numbers.
We saw that in the Rams game a few weeks
ago when starting in the second half they did go
one oh one to AJ Brown versus the Rams corners

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who are not high level corners. But one thing Jalen
Hurts has never done particularly well. He's not a window throw.
He doesn't throw the ball between the numbers, as I
said we were talking earlier, fifteen to twenty five yards.
In fact, he's got the fewest attempts of any quarterback
in the league, throwing the ball between fifteen and twenty
five yards between the numbers.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
He doesn't see the game that way.

Speaker 11 (32:28):
They have to be a running football team, and right
now they're not running the ball at all, and the
old line is hurt, it's banged up, and it's not
played anywhere near as well as it has the last
three four years when it was arguably the best in
the league. I mean, they gave the ball to Barkley
five times in the first half last week in a
game they were winning, and in the second half they
gave it to him one time. They have to be

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a running football team. They are not a passing team.
Even last year winning a Super Bowl, they were not
a passing team. Jalen Hurts had ten games last year
Colin Wood. He threw for less than two hundred yards.
One of the best, not the best, one of the
best things about Hurts is he never turns it over.
That's critical for how they play. But as far as

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the passing game, it has limitations. You know this, Every
coach plays to his quarterback. So when you watch a
team and see what they do, think about what they
do and then think about the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
So there are fifteen quarterbacks right now in the NFL
with a passer rating over one hundred.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
There were six two years.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
That's a lot.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, So I think there's a lot of good offensive coaches.
I think there's a lot of zone. So for a
lot of these veteran guys like a Darnold or a
Baker or a Dak, you know, it's a throw it
to a spot Jared Goff and they're really good at that,
very much as a right, right, But I mean Dak's
pretty amazing. CD's out. I would argue they don't even
have a dependable number two receiver. It's more threes. They're

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tight ends. Okay, O line still feels like to me,
it's a little patchwork, and it's okay. The film may
say something there. The run game is fine, it's not special.
And here's Dak putting up big numbers with a bunch
of kind of number three receivers and solid tight ends.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Not special.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I mean, in all these years and all these snaps,
we didn't love the staff that was hired. Well, maybe
they're better than we thought. But what does the film
say on Dak? Because is there a quarterback in the
league doing more without special surrounding talent.

Speaker 11 (34:30):
Well, I think what Dak and we talked about this.
I remember we had this discussion two three years ago.
What Dak has evolved into as he's advanced in his
career and had a number of leg injuries, is he
is an efficient distributor of the football. He's a ball distributor.
He's an executor. He's very very good at it. That's
what his game is. And when you put him with

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a Brian Schottenheim, who's actually very good orchestrating an offense,
you get an efficient pass game. But the one place
where I might disagree with you a little bit is
I think their run game has been better than you think.
Javonte Williams is starting to look more like he did
coming out of North Carolina when he was in his
first year with the Broncos before all the leg injuries.
He's I think fourth or fifth in the league in rushing.

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He's pretty high up and he's averaging coast to six
yards of carry.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
And their run game now is very, very viable.

Speaker 11 (35:20):
It's a meaningful, significant part of what they do offensively.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Okay, I want to talk about, first of all, a
quarterback who I liked a lot who has grown quickly,
and then a team I like a lot that I
think people are surprised by. So let's start with Drake May. Listen,
I predicted they'd make the playoffs. I'm a huge fan
of Rabel, but let me be clear. I like Drake

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May a lot, but in the last two to three
weeks he's taken it to a different level. And I
still don't think they have elite personnel. I like their backs,
but I don't think they have elite offensive personnel.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Something has clicked. What is it?

Speaker 11 (36:02):
Well, it's funny because I actually think he's played this
way from week one. It's just they' won a couple
of games recently and then makes it appear that.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
He's playing better.

Speaker 11 (36:10):
I think right from the beginning of this season, Colin,
he's been outstanding in areas you never expect a second
year quarterback to be good at. That's on third down.
He's been outstanding on third down. He's been outstanding versus pressure,
and they're starting to throw the ball more on first down,
which is always the best down to throw because you

(36:31):
get much more predictable front looks, you get more predictable
coverage looks you just get a better feel for the
quarterback when you call plays and it's first and ten
or normal down in distance situations. So I would argue,
and I agree with you one hundred percent. I think
he's been really good from week one. It's just had
a big win on national TV on the road in
a very difficult place to play when he was really

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really efficient, So it just made it seem like he's
playing better recently. But I think he's played like this
since Week one.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
So a team that and in this league when I
had text an occasional general manager, is that you can
do so many things right as a GM, but if
you don't have the quarterback right. People for years have
been on Chris Ballard in Indy and I've been saying,
I follow the draft. I like their roster. I think

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it's good. I think they have good weapons. I think
they're O line. You can tell me about the film says,
but I think their O line is way above average.
And all of a sudden, they get Daniel Jones playing well,
and I'm like, Okay, they've had the roster, had they
had the Rams beat two weeks ago, They've got the players,
But I think all of us are holding our breath

(37:43):
on Daniel Jones. It just he looks a little stronger,
He looks more confident, his body language is better. What
is it with Stichen and Daniel Jones, Because I don't
think it's one of these you know September early October
runs that Brian Fitzpatrick had, Do you know a couple
of those? It's like, no, I think this is going
to last. I think Daniel's pretty good now.

Speaker 11 (38:06):
I think Colin this speaks to the marriage of coaching
and quarterback play, which I've just come to believe is
so so important because when I watch this team, I
see Shanenstike and really presenting Jones with his route concepts,
with a lot of clean, define reads, so he's comfortable
turning the ball loose to the primary receiver. And one

(38:27):
thing for people to notice with Daniel Jones is rarely,
and you saw this a lot with the Giants, obviously,
but you rarely see him get stuck in the pocket
where it seems as if he has nowhere to throw
the football.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
He drops back.

Speaker 11 (38:40):
And he's decisive, and he's decisive because the receiver that
he looks at first, the primary is available to him.
And I think that the scheming of an offense, of
a pass game, the way a coach calls a game
throughout the game, has so much to do with quarterbacks.
You know, when we see a quarterback throw to a
relatively open receiver, and Jones has done a lot of

(39:02):
that this year, we always say that's great quarterback play,
but really he's being set up for great quarterback play.
And I think the marriage has been outstanding and Jones
has been so good, especially on first down, where again
we just spoke about that they are really really good
throwing the ball on first down.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
There are two teams in this league that I like
a lot, and they're both very young, green Bay and Seattle.
And green Bay, as young teams are prone to do,
green Bay is struggling to figure out how to close
out games against inferior teams. Cleveland, Dallas. Seattle young teams
second youngest offense, couldn't close it out although they were

(39:42):
on the doorstep against the Niners, and they couldn't close
it out against Tampa. So I think green Bay and
Seattle are very good. They may be a year away.
I don't think the Packers are. But when you watch
Sam Darnold and those losses to San Francisco or Tampa.
Does it make you think turnovers not quite good at
same old Sam?

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Or are you watching?

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Are you watching Sam and you're thinking this is an
elite top ten twelve quarterback?

Speaker 11 (40:11):
I would look ten more toward what you just said
at the end of that. You know that interception he
threw last week, that was a classic Todd Bowles pressure
and they got in clean, Winfield got in clean, and
then he threw and hit the helmet of a defensive lineman.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
Now, I don't know if it would have been complete.

Speaker 11 (40:26):
Otherwise it probably wouldn't have been, but it probably wouldn't
have been an interception. But Donald, you know, you know Darnald,
and you know you've always liked him. He's a big,
physical guy. He throws the ball really well. Again, you're
dealing now with a system where he seems more decisive
than ever. And that's the key for him, because he's
not most quarterbacks. But it's more true of some than others,

(40:48):
and it's true of Donald. The longer he stays in
the pocket, the worse he is. So you have to
design your system and your route concepts against anticipated coverages
so that he can hit that backfoot and deliver the football.
So they've been able to do that really, really well,
and he's performed, I think, at a really high level.
And the other important point, Colin, He's only been sacked

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six times in five games.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
They're o line this year.

Speaker 11 (41:14):
Charles Cross at the left tackle at top ten pick
is clearly having the best year of his career.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Yeah, he came out highly coveted.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
All right, we're gonna we're gonna last next couple of
minutes to wrap it up, We're gonna talk Baker Mayfield, right, So,
I mean, let's face at, Tampa is a big playoffense
and they're doing it with this unbelievable rookie. But there
what I like about Baker is Baker's always had great
confidence in trusted himself, and now even without Mike Evans

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or Bucky Irving, like he's got some weapons at BUCA,
looks like Rookie of the Year stuff. He's a sensational talent.
So this was one of the best most entertaining games
in the last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
It was a epic.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
It was an electric game on a beautiful Pacific Northwest
Sunday what did you see from.

Speaker 11 (42:01):
Well, I think what there were ten incompletions in the
whole game by both quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
It was crazy.

Speaker 11 (42:07):
Baker's at the point in his career where he's incredibly
decisive because he throws and I know we've talked about
this over the years. He throws a great ball, a
way better ball than people might think because he's not
a big, imposing looking guy, like He's not like Jared
Goff who just looks big and imposing. But he has
a really good arm, throws a great ball. He's always
been very aggressive throwing it too. With that mindset that

(42:30):
he has. And as you get older, I think he
just knows just from playing, just from experience, you know,
getting more and more at bat so to speak, he
just has a better feel for when I can turn
it loose, when I don't have to turn it loose,
but he turns it loose when necessary. And he's got
a big arm, and he can make really difficult throws
and he doesn't shy away from any difficult throw when

(42:54):
the situation demands it. And again, I think he's now
with the same system, even though Liam Cohen isn't there,
it's essentially the same system as it was, and you
can tell he's extremely comfortable, and there are certain throws
always that stand out to me where it's a combination
of scheme and the throw. And if you want, we
can go right to the play that I want to show,

(43:15):
because I think this is a really good example of it.
So let's take a look at Baker from this. This
is from last week. And as I said, this is
just a really good combination of scheme and a really
good throw that just seems like, oh, he's open, but
it's not quite that simple.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
So we're going to see him under center.

Speaker 11 (43:33):
And by the way, we don't see a lot of
quarterbacks under center, so it's the fact that he's under
center is a big deal. And it's what we call
a three by one set. You have three receivers to
the wide side of the field, and that's a Buka
up top is what we call the boundary X. The
single receiver to the short side of the field. Now,
what's he looking at Baker? Initially two high safeties, but
that's going to change. Now what they're going to call here,

(43:55):
and you're seeing more and more of this in the
league call in motion. You're seeing motion Shepherd is going
to cross the formation and what jet action whatever people
want to call it, and then he's going to release
inside of Abuka. Now, notice that the coverage has changed.
It is now covered three, so it went from too
high to cover three.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
And Baker turns his back a little bit because it's
play action.

Speaker 11 (44:18):
So what you're going to get here is Shepherd the
motion receiver running a vertical route, and you're going to
get a Buka running essentially a wheel route. So it's
two vertical routes. And what this is going to do
is it's going to put the corner. I think it's
Josh job here who's actually become a very good player,
but it's going to put him in conflict because you
can see his body is turned towards Shepherd running that

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vertical route because he knows that his safety is coming
from the other side. So now with his body turned
that way, he cannot play the wheel route at all
by Abuka. It's just he's in conflict. It's just too hard.
And then so what happens is you get a Buka
running the wheel in the deep third of the that's
his responsibility, but he can't get there. Now, this is

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not an easy throw by the way because he has
to throw it over the top of that underneath defender,
which you're going to see here. So it might look
easy because it looks like the book is wide open,
but it's not easy. So again, this is just a
perfect example again of scheming and making good throws. And
I think ultimately the good passing games are about that.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yep, Greg Cosel Thursday as alas we get smarter.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Thanks Greg, Thanks Colin.

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Speaker 1 (45:39):
We bring in Chris Sims on the show pretty regularly,
and then there's Matt Simms.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
He's working at the other place.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
But you know who I relate to is Phil Simms
because now we're both at the age when we wake
up and we go to the pill.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Closet and the vitamin closet, and Phil.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Simms, host of Sims Complete on the Believe Network, is
joining us fifteen years. We just talked about nad magnesium
and Omega three pills during the break and I've never
felt better about my decisions. You and I do the
the same life. I just go off a little more
than you.

Speaker 10 (46:11):
I mean, we were talking like two old guys sitting
there going, hey, I take this in the morning to that,
and I'm gonna just tell everybody out there, whatever I'm taking,
it's working. Okay? Does that feel good and not sleeping? Great?

Speaker 3 (46:21):
There you go. Same thing.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
So fifteen quarterbacks right now right have one hundred plus
passer rating.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Two years ago it was six. Now.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Some of it phil is because I think there's a
lot more good offensive coaching. There's a lot of sharp
young guys out there. And I also think everybody plays zone,
so it's a little throw to a spot. You lived
in a world where it was man to man coverage.
Now it's zone and you just throw to a spot.
And a lot of these young guys are strong and
throw to a spot. But when you look at your

(46:54):
era and this era of quarterback play, do you see
a gap? I mean, does it feel easy today with
some of the rule changes.

Speaker 10 (47:02):
Well, I think yeah. The first thing is say throw
into a spot. Everybody's playing zone and they want to
keep their eyes on the quarterback in the backfield to
stop the big runs down the field. And if you
play zone in the NFL. Against the quarterbacks that we're
seeing out there now, you say fifteen, I would probably
say more. They're gonna pick you apart, and that's what
defenses want. We're gonna let you complete the passes, but

(47:25):
we're going to run up tackle you, and you have
to go with long drives, sustain a lot of plays
to score. That's what you see. And these quarterbacks, they
just keep getting better every year. And to answer your question,
Colin my era that I played in, I don't know
what to say. This whole group that plays now, they
are remarkably different and better than what we put on

(47:50):
the field, I think most of the time.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
So I love watching the old films with you and Parcels,
and it's just that confrontational stuff is funny. It rights itself.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
But Philadelphia right now is having an identity crisis. They
don't know what they are. Back with Parcels, did you
guys even use the word identity or is that one
of those words like narrative that everybody uses, or did
you just like, listen this every week was a different
game plan or did Bill believe in, Hey, this is
what we are, this is what we're always going to be.

(48:22):
We're not going to deviate because Philadelphia right now doesn't
know what the hell they are. They're a run team
and they can't figure it out. Again, go back to
your six years Giant Super Bowls. Dominant team was identity discussed.

Speaker 10 (48:36):
Never never, I don't know, you know, hell, you know.
These player only meetings, I will say this, we did
a couple of them. I hated them. I didn't pay attention.
I'm like, please get it over with, let's get out
of here. Because the guy that set the table, the
guy that walked in there every day, Bill Parcells, that
was the player's meeting, and okay, whatever he said, we

(48:59):
didn't have to have a player's meeting because he was
going to take care of himself and he knew when
to do that. And so when I see the players
doing it, then I go, okay, I believe it works
for them, if that's what it is. But I would
prefer Nick Sirianni get in front of the team and going, hey,
all right, enough of this, let's do this. We're going
to move on. And if you don't want to be

(49:20):
part of it, good, I'll get somebody else and let
it go. Yeah. So yeah, I mean gosh almighty, You've
won so many games, what is it twenty out of
twenty one, and here we are having players meetings and
things like that. It says Philadelphia. It's different, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
So there are quarterbacks and coaching relationships. You know, the
creative gene of Andy Reid and Mahomes is such a
good fit because Mahomes is a creative type. And then
there are sometimes it just works despite the fact that
the coach and the quarterback may not see eye to eye.
I think Big Ben and Tomlin it just worked because

(49:58):
Big Ben was so damn talented. But I look at
Shanahan and outside of Trey Lance, I mean, Kyle shab
was a pro bowler. He won with Brian Hoyer. Mac
Jones was done. Mac Jones now is unbelievable. So when
you look at Kyle Shanahan, what did I say, Ryan?
What named I screw up? Matt Shabby. When you look

(50:24):
at Kyle Shanahan, he virtually takes every quarterback he's had.
Garoppolo has disappeared since he left. What's the secret, sauce?
What do you think he does? The language he speaks,
the touch, the feel he has, what is it? With Kyle,
because I'd argue today Phil, no coach is winning with

(50:44):
lest they have sixty percent of their starters, their playmakers
are all hurt.

Speaker 10 (50:49):
Yes, Hey, it comes down to this. You talk about
Mac Jones, people ask me, Hey, whatever all this howdy play?
I said, Yeah, Kyle Shanahan gave him the Mac Jones offense.
That's what he did. Who's my quarterback. I'm going to
adapt to him and call and design plays that fit him.
And everything they did in that game against the Los

(51:10):
Angeles Rams, it was right out of the book. Hey,
Mic Jones specially, he's a big guy, can stand in there,
he can get rid of the football quick, He's a
good decision maker. Everything that's good for him Kyle Shanahan
put into that game plan. If it had been Rock
Perdy playing that game, we had seen some rollouts, deeper drops, moving,
and many more throws deep down the field probably. But

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that's the one thing about Kyle. You can go through
all the quarterbacks that he's had, and when they get
a chance to play, basically they all play well. So
that's not luck, that's him designing plays and knowing how
to call it.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
So I made this argument earlier that I'm okay. Many
of our great quarterbacks have been a little reckless at
times now. Now, Aaron Rodgers was one of the first
where you got the upside without the interceptions. But he
Nameth and Elway and Peyton a lot of picks and
Eli did.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Yeah, I mean, but I mean.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Baker Mayfield has the most turnover worthy plays so far
in the league, according to PFF. And my take is, well,
that's Baker's style. He plays through his chest. He's a
big emotion guy. I think if you try to change Baker,
you lose who Baker is.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
What do you make of him as a quarterback?

Speaker 10 (52:27):
Well, first off, they're not trying to change him down
in Tampa Bay. I watch his games because I enjoy
him and because he is a fun watch. And let
me tell you, he is an elite thrower of the football.
He throws that damn thing exactly where he wants it
to go, and his decision making is pretty good. But
I like the fact that he's aggressive because he can be.

(52:48):
I'll tell you a quick story that just personifies who
Baker Mayfield is. Somebody asked Todd Bowles, how would you
describe Baker Mayfield, and Todd Bowles took a quick second
break and he goes. I would say, Baker, will you
walk across the room there and stick your face in
the fan? He would do it. And that's who he is.

(53:08):
He's just tough as hell, resilient, can really throw the football,
and he's He's great for the team because he doesn't
eat up a lot of space about Baker Baker Baker
like some quarterbacks do with their teams. He's part of
the group, the players loving and Tampa Bay. Whatever he's doing,
would they just keep doing it because it's going well.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
All right, Let's get a little update your thoughts on
Jackson Dart, the new Giants guy. He's got to look
he's kind of cool looking and he's got a decent arm.
I don't what do you make of what you've seen
so far?

Speaker 10 (53:40):
Yeah, he is cool. I gotta admit. I was down
at training camp a lot. I watched him every day,
really close, not every day, but almost, and he didn't
have bad days. He threw the ball well. And I
think the one thing that I made a mistake on
until I found it late right before the draft. I
was watching his war of his tapes and every everything

(54:00):
to see what I really thought about even all of
a sudden, I went, wow, I have underestimated his mobility,
and his mobility's been a big part of these first
two games. And what I like about it is he's
reading the defense whatever, trying to throw it, but if
the gap is open in front of him, it's straight
down the middle every time, and he's been really good
at that. They have a chance to be to New

(54:21):
Orleans Saints. I thought they were the better team, but
the mistakes, that's what you're going to get with the
young quarterback. You don't pull him back too much. You
just kind of go all right, settle down a little bit,
but you want to keep being aggressive because being aggressive
gives you a chance to be a really good quarterback too.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
So when you were with a Giant, so was Bill Belichick,
and I know he was on the defensive side. I
never thought he was a college football guy. I think
college football is a little more joyful, the bands, the alumni,
the parents.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Bill's a pro guy.

Speaker 9 (54:52):
To me.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
You know, I never got it.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Are you surprised it's been this big of a kind
of a mess so far.

Speaker 10 (55:00):
Well, I think we were together thirteen years with the Giants.
He came in in seventy nine, I think, the same
year I did. But yeah, I listen. I'm very surprised.
I thought he would go down there and kind of
show college football there's a little different way to do this. Well,
he did it a different way, but it's not working.
And you know, I, hey, look, you don't spend thirteen

(55:23):
years with the guy. He did a lot of great
things for me, said things to me, talk to me
when I needed it, and all that stuff, and taught
me too. But so I feel bad, and I hope somehow, Honestly,
I just hope when the year's over, I hope he
decides to do something else, because man, it's almost impossible
to watch the games. It's that bad.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Yeah, it really is, you know, And I'm sure you've
been asked this before it goes on the speakers circuit.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
The Giants have had a really bad ten year run.
New York Sports right now is a bit of a
has met spill. Yeah, that's bad. And you can only
point fingers. I mean, the Yankees have been very patient
and they've had some success. If I pointed to you
and said, okay, give me a paragraph on what's gone

(56:12):
wrong with the Giants, coaches, quarterbacks, GM's ownership because it listen,
when I worked at the other place, I always said
they were the accounting firm of the NFL. They were quiet,
they didn't make a lot of noise, they were well run.
They were never flashy, but you knew the numbers were right.
They just they were smart. Something has gone haywire because

(56:35):
I always thought the Jets were squirrely, but the Giants
were big blue. They would figure it out. Phil, it
has been a rough, rough stretch. Where do you point
the fingers?

Speaker 10 (56:47):
Well, you know, you always start with this player acquisitions.
You know, the draft. You hope it goes well. There's
so much into it, and you know, I don't know
how these guys have great drafts sometimes because you just
never know about players, even you do all the research.
But the draft hasn't been great. But these last couple
of years, the guys that they've been drafting, they're playing
and actually doing pretty well. So I really don't have

(57:11):
an answer for that why it's not going well, But
I do look at other teams they're having success, and
what they have is just a group of stars that
are all in and they're connected to the coach and
it's hard and tough, and that's who they are. That'll
never go away from football. And if you want to win,
you've got to be physical, you've got to be tough,

(57:32):
and you've got to be smart. And I'm not saying
the Giants aren't that, but maybe the personnel has not
given them that chance. So I'm going to go to
the game tonight and I think they'll play the Philadelphia
Eagles close, and I won't walk out of the stadium
shocked if they win, but I'll be happy because I'm
just gonna be honest. I'm a root for the Giants.

(57:53):
So yeah, it's unbelievable. Every year I see the draft
all this, I go to training camp and I go,
this might be the year. This is a year. And
with the lead neighbors and of course the quarterback and everything,
I was watching the past rush, I said, man, they
got a chance. And they've had two chances and they
lost both of those games Dallas and down in New Orleans.

(58:14):
Yeah that changes a year, Colin. I mean, just think
if they'd beat Dallas in overtime or beat New Orleans
all of a sudden, we'd be going, hey, look at film,
what about the Giants. Man, they might be in the playoffs.
And that's how close it is I think in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
This just popped into my head.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
You're covering some college football now sims complete on the
Believe Network. So we'll wrap it up with this. Your
son played at Texas, and I've said this before, of
the five toughest jobs in all of sports in America,
quarterback of the Texas Longhorns is near the top of
that list. It is insane pressure, the donors, the coaching,
the culture. It's almost got an NFL feel in terms

(58:55):
of it's in a cool city. There's a lot of business,
there's a lot of money. It's not your typical rule
college where you can get a friendly media and everybody's.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Texas football is big.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
It's bigger than a lot of college NFL programs, right,
It's bigger than Jaguars football in Jacksonville. Your son played there.
Arch Manning is really struggling. Take me to the pressure
your sun felt and that it's just not another college
quarterback job at Texas. It feels almost professional.

Speaker 10 (59:25):
Yeah, you know, I don't know if I could even
answer that question about my son. We never talked about
how you're feeling and all that. And you know, I
always gave words of encouragement, and I not to get
off target here, but I always say to like parents
of quarterbacks that are coming up through high school that
are really good and in the pros, I say to them,

(59:46):
stay with them, be in contact them as much as
you can to help them through all the hardships are
going to come, because if you don't, it's just not
going to work out well. And I'm not sitting here
going to confession, but you know, I didn't make that
connection with my kids as much as I should have.
I should have been on top of it more. And
you know always say this too. They're eighteen year olds

(01:00:07):
coming out of high school. What the hell do they know?
They don't know much of nothing right, and so I
should have been there as a parent to give them
more information. But with arch Manning, I'll say this. I
studied him during the offseason. I loved it everything about
him and what I'm seeing now I was like, wow,
I just I did not see any of this last year.

(01:00:29):
But I would boil down to this, just try to relax,
whatever it is. But his throwing is what has caught
my attention. It just hasn't been on target. He rushes, throws,
his motion looks like it's changed from what I saw
last year. And I think that's part of the problem.
When you call him. When you throw the ball well

(01:00:51):
and you know where it's going to go, you don't
become a good decision maker. You become great great. You
see it, you believe it, you complete it, and let's bought.
And right now, I just see doubt sometimes in arch
Manning when he's throwing the football. That's he's like, oh,
I want to complete it. You know, when you want
to complete him too bad. It usually doesn't work. So

(01:01:13):
we'll see, you know, more experience, I will say, he'll
kind of fix this and look a lot better. So
year goes along.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Phil, as always we talk about once every couple of years.
I always loved chatting with you. Great wisdom, and you
look fantastic. I'm not going to say your age, people
can google it, but you look you look really good.

Speaker 10 (01:01:31):
Well Hill, all right, well, my wife never tells me that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Yeah, okay, should Hey.

Speaker 10 (01:01:37):
You know, listen, I'm looking for interviews, so bring me
on every once in a while. You know, I'd like
to beat it up, you know, and all right. Let
me This would be the last thing I say real quick.
The quarterbacks. I know you like the guy at Oregon,
and you know what you should. He's really good. Yes,
and Oregon, if you want to be a good quarterback,
go up there and get taught and run that offense.

(01:01:58):
You'll do well. But what's coming into the draft this year,
it's probably gonna be real. There's going to be a
lot of them. But you know what's coming in the
following year behind them is another damn group. So this
quarterback situation, there's enough quarterbacks to go around for this hole. Lead.
The big thing is can we get coaches to create
a scheme to lead the team to let these quarterbacks

(01:02:19):
show who they are? I mean, what happened all of
a sudden. Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold are stars when we
watch them, and they were thrown to the sidewalk a
couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
So there you go, Phil Simms. We will bring you
back on, and I mean it, we're going to bring
you back.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
I love this. I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
Thanks man.

Speaker 10 (01:02:38):
It'd be great if you bring me back on and
then pay me. I don't like that. Even better.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
We do that Fox is doing well, the stock prices up.
We got plenty of cash here.

Speaker 10 (01:02:49):
All right, Well, thank you, thanks for having me on
Colin

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
You bet, Phil Simms