October 20, 2025 • 34 mins
Colin Cowherd explains why the Kansas City Chiefs have officially put the entire league on notice by reasserting their dominance as the NFL’s top team. He dives into Where Colin Was Right, Where Colin Was Wrong – from calling Matthew Stafford and the Rams performance to owning up to a misstep about Dodgers phenom Shohei Ohtani.
Plus, former NFL quarterback and 3-time Pro Bowl selection Matt Hasselbeck joins the show to give an inside look at the Chicago Bears revamped offense and QB Caleb Williams, which has propelled them to their fourth consecutive victory
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh, it is a Monday, not just any Monday. There'll
be a Game seven, two Monday night football games off.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
A wild weekend. We're live, We're in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It's the Herd wherever you may be, however you may
be watching or listening, whatever platform it is. Thanks for
making Monday and us part of your day. One hour
from now. Where Colin was right, Where Colin was wrong
again at Game seven tonight, Jays and Mariners Seattle trying
to get to their first World Series. Couple of Monday
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night football games. Jmac, really fun weekend, really really good Sunday.
You know, we complain that we don't love two Monday
night football games because it takes so many good games
out of the weekend. But that late window yesterday was nuts.
But let's start with the early window of folks. It's
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twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen. Again. Patrick Mahomes completed passes
to nine different tight ends or wide receivers. Their speed
is everywhere, playmakers everywhere, thirty two points a game in
the last month. I hate to inform the rest of
the NFL, but this is now once again the best offense,
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the best coach, the best quarterback, and the most flexible.
Eight nine different targets. Sum are fast summer possession, some
are twitchy, some are big summer tight ends. And the
defense is remarkable. And here's the thing. Really smart people
make mistakes, yeah, but they're able to quickly identify those mistakes.
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They're able to let their ego not get in the way,
and then they course correct very quickly. Kansas City, I believe,
has rebuilt their offensive line three times in five years.
I think they've rebuilt this receiving corps four times in
maybe seven years. And now all of a sudden, it's
the deepest receiving corps in the NFL. And the Chiefs
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and you saw this yesterday with the Rams adaptable, They're
not one thing. Puka Nakua is out, No big deal.
We'll give three or four tight ends a look. And
you look at Kansas City yesterday, Hollywood Brown, Worthy, Rice,
Travis Kelsey. I mean, Rashi Rice comes back, ten targets,
ten targets. Mahomes and Rashi Rice haven't played in an
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actual game in like a year, and he's throwing no
look passes to him, And so I don't feel bad
for the Chargers or bolt them Joe Burrow and the Bengals,
although he's hurt this year. You know, all these teams
had a chance. Kansas City was three and three, they
didn't have Rice, they didn't have Worthy. This was your
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time to make up ground on them. But right now
Kansas City's not only back, I think they're better than
ever they have drafted so well. This is the deepest, twitchiest,
most unique wide receiving corps, the best play designer, the
best distributor. I watched yesterday, and I mean it was
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like Mahomes was in a baseball cap in the fourth quarter.
It's like they pulled their starting pitcher after a great
two hitter and he had a six run lead in
the seventh inning, and he sat in the bench the
dugout and watched. But I don't see a hole. I
said this a month ago when they clobbered the Ravens.
Everybody said, oh, the Ravens are beat up. That's not
what I watched right now. They're just they just keep
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adding elements. And I saw it with the Rams in Jacksonville.
The smart teams in this league. They miss on draft picks,
they make mistakes, they get players hurt, they have two
and three game slumps, but they course correct, they identify
mistakes quickly. Smart wins in this league. And I saw
it in London with the Rams. I saw it with
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the Chiefs. A no look passed over she Rice. They
haven't played together in a year, only Andy Reid. And
here's Mahomes after.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
The know look one.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I kind of I wanted to throw to receive the
whole time, but Xavier was kind of holding that flat
defender with his release and so the corner was kind
of in between, and so just just holding and put
it in the spot at the right time. But when
it comes to like the way he moves and the
way he runs routes, I have a good feel for
when he wants the football and where I need to
throw it to. And so he's been working.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Well, the wildest game of the day is a team
that is trying to supplant catch and beat in the
AFC West. It involved the Denver Broncos, who for three
quarters were unwatchable and we're getting hammered nineteen nothing but
the New York Giants. They came back to win a wild,
wild shootout. But what I really watched in this game
and what I really saw, and I'm sure you saw
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two franchise quarterbacks. Jackson Dart for the Giants was the
better one early. Boon Knicks was pretty special late. But
that's what I saw. They're both a little uneven. They
make mistakes, they have bad quarters, but both are confident
use their legs. Their coaches liked them to use their legs,
and I mean running quarterbacks for the record, are very effective.
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In fact, it's Patrick Mahomes breaking ball. It's what he
uses in every big Super Bowl or AFC championship. So
Jackson Dart mobile doesn't take his eyes off down the field.
Same with bo Nicks. I mean, bon Nicks had four
first downs running in two touchdowns. I don't know why
Sean Payton doesn't run him more. They're both excellent at
it and when you're learning to decipher NFL defenses, pick
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up first downs. Russell Wilson did it, Maholmes did it,
Lamar did it. You're good enough in the pocket, but
you're not going to be great in the pocket because
both bow and Jackson Dart unlike Mahomes, had to play
like in September their first year right with imperfect rosters,
and neither one of them got you know, Andy Reid.
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So everybody keeps doubting bow Knicks because like a lot
of young quarterbacks, he's uneven. He just had the greatest
quarter of any NFL football player ever, scoring thirty three points.
And it's like Klay Thompson. Remember Klay Thompson once scored
thirty seven points in a quarter. Remember that with a
Warriors thirty seven points. That doesn't make him better than
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Steph Curry or better than KD. But it makes him
a Hall of Famer and it makes him a great player.
But in the fourth quarter this year alone, bow Knicks
has three game winning drives. That is a season's worth,
and he's still a kid. I would prefer a complete game.
I would love a great first quarter and a great
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third quarter. Bow against really good teams and the Steve
Venz is really good and was excellent for three quarters.
That's not what he is yet. And by the way,
the Jackson Dark drive on what we thought at the
time was a game winning drive, I thought it was
so smart. I didn't love the PI call in that
kind of consequential moment. I don't like that PI call,
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but they called that. It is what it is, Peyton.
These guys bow Knicks and Jackson Dart, they're not overwhelmed
by the moment. They just they're not rattled, they're not frenetic,
they're actually I think bow Knicks focus is better and
is more confident trailing late. I think Jackson Dart, I mean,
maybe it's great looking kid, I don't know what it is,
but Jackson Dart never feels overwhelmed. And for the record,
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bo Knicks has more weapons and a better offensive line.
So what Jackson Dart's doing, he's doing it. I mean,
he's got scataboo. But Denver's got better players, better offensive line,
more weapons, perceived as the better coach and play caller
and play designer. So Jackson Dart shouldn't win this game.
Jackson and Dark shouldn't lead for three quarters. And Denver's
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defense is better than the Giants. So in a losing cause,
I thought Jackson Dart was amazing to go into Denver
and to give the Broncos defense all sorts of trouble and.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
To lead nineteen.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
If you'd have told me the Giants don't score nineteen
points in the total game before it started, I would
have said, yeah, I could see that thirteen, fourteen, seventeen points.
So I mean a losing cause. If you're a Giants fan,
you got your guy. You got your guy. He just
needs a better role line, he needs more help. Denver's
got the better players, Denver's probably got the better coach.
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Denver's probably got the better general manager. Denver's definitely got
more weapons, the Mims and Sutton and Harvey and Ingram.
Denver has a Super Bowl roster. The Giants don't. So
I was blown away by both guys. I really was
blown away by Jackson Dart, and I wasn't blown away
with bow Nicks into the fourth quarter. But that was
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that was That was Klay Thompson scoring thirty seven in
a quarter. You can stop arguing Klay Thompson's great. He's
not Curry. He's not KD But thirty seven in a quarter.
Not a lot of people on the planet ever can
do that. And Bownicks just had the greatest quarter of
any player in league history. I'm sorry, that's hard to do,
even with Sean Payton as your coach. Here's Bo after.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Well, I was thinking about how I was going to
answer questions if we got shut out, you know, not
where you want to be. And uh, you know, at
some point I knew we've done it before. In the
fourth quarter, We're gonna, you know, at some point we're
gonna go down and score. Now, maybe too late, we
may not score enough, but at some point we're gonna
do it. All of a sudden, you go, And I mean,
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I don't even know how we scored thirty three points
in a quarter. That's kind of insane, but it's just
whatever we had to get done, we did it.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah. Bo's a he's a streaky shooter. I mean, he
just gets into these moments. I do think, and I
said this last week, use his legs. Brian Dabele has
quickly identified Jackson Dart's mobility, and they are leaning into it.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I would lean into bon.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Nick's legs when you're a young quarterback trying to figure
out and decipher these NFL defenses. This is not college ball.
The windows are tight, the DB's are better, the pass
rush is bigger, better athletes, things close quickly, use the legs,
move the chains, extend drives. All right, j mact. The
Bears have themselves a little winning street in Chicago. Here
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we go, Here we go. Your Chicago Bears is getting
turnovers against bad teams.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Let's celebrate Colin whoo. Well.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I will say this, the Bears have reached a point
that is the ultimate respect in the NFL. And I'll
tell you where that place is. The Bears have finally
reached this place. We'll talk about that next.
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Speaker 1 (11:32):
Where Colin was right, well, I played blind resume with
Bonnicks Friday.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Remember that.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
We all thought that was kind of fun Blind resume,
and I said, with Bonnicks, he's really good. He's a
franchise quarterback. He's just inconsistent, but he just became the
first player ever to have two rushing touchdowns and two
passing touchdowns in a quarter. The last five possessions for
Bonnicks against the great defense touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal.
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He's really athletic under fifteen yards, really accurate, can struggle
with the deep ball is not there yet. But he
is a franchise quarterback. And that's all I've said.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Where Colin was Wraw.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Last year's Washington Commander's magic has evaporated. I thought they'd
be a playoff team for a decade. They feel a
little old and a little slow. They're now three and
four and here it comes the Chiefs, the Seahawks, and
the Lions. Nothing is working. The defense's mid run game
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is okay. Jaden Daniels is banged up. But there wasn't
fifteen minutes yesterday where I didn't think Dak was in
control of that game. I missed on the Commanders. I
did not think it was a one off. I thought
it was a new era and maybe it will be,
but it's.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Not now where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I've said Sean McVay is the second best coach in
pro football.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
The Rams fly in Saturday.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It's a twenty four hour business trip with no puka
nakua and it was one of the more crisp efficient
detailed game plans. Ever, how many tight ends did they
throw to? They had two rookies catching touchdown passes. And Stafford,
as we've said, is the best pure pocket.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Guy in the league.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I mean, you were watching a well oiled organization against
the Jags, and after the Jags beat Kansas City, I said,
this is not sustainable. This is not a well run,
well oiled operation. I thought, Stafford, if he doesn't make
the Hall of Fame, he's the greatest player in this league.
Not in the Hall of Fame, because he is magic.
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Missing his star throwing the seventh round wide receivers in
London and they were jet lagged and got in Saturday
for a Sunday game where Colin was raw. I was
wrong on shoe a Otani. I just said he was
better than Babe Ruth. I didn't say he's the best
team sport athlete ever. He won MVP of that series
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for one great game, six innings, two hit ball, ten strikeouts.
Does he have the best split finger in the sport?
He's throwing one hundred. He had more hits Friday against
Milwaukee than he surrendered, and one of those balls that
he hit appears to have left the stadium.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Here it is the right hander Patrick Dials and old
Tani towering wall, high drive right field. He's done it again.
Show hey Otani to the top.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
Of the pavilion in right field four hundred and sixty
nine feet, the longest home run at Dodgers Stadium this year.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Freddie Freeman's reaction, what did I just watch?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Said about three weeks ago, the Indianapolis culture for real.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
They should be undefeated.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
They had the Rams beat running back, wide receiver, tight end.
They have Pro bowlers, O line has to be top
three in the league. They ran over the Chargers, and
I know LA's beat up on the offensive line. But
I've been defending Chris Ballard for years. I'm like, folks,
this roster's good. There are stars in every unit. This
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is a really, really good team. They just needed a quarterback.
They've got one, and they hammered Harbon Herbert.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yesterday where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I'm not saying it's all his fault, but cam Ward
feels a little collegey right now. He's doing a little
hero ball, a lot of mistakes. He's trying to force plays.
I listen. I don't know who to blame. It feels
a little like Caleb last year in Chicago. It's not
a very good staff, but he's been sacked thirty times,
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doesn't have a great feel for the pocket, more picks
than touchdowns, one in six record thing it would look
like this. I for a long time, until the last
week before the season, I said they could be a
playoff team. Then I bailed on it. It's ugly where
Colin was right, Well, we predicted I did. I said
Notre Name in cold Weather would beat USC by ten,
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and they would beat them soundly because they would run
all over USC. And that's exactly what they did. For
the record. Jeremiah Love is going to be a first
round running back. He may not be Bjean Robinson, but
he's close nine and a half yards of carry. The
kid's great. USC had some weird play calling. They were
okay on offense, but this was a bad matchup off
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that Michigan game. The Irish had three hundred and six
yards rushing and Lincoln Riley has not proven the ability
to beat tough, good running teams on the road. He
hasn't done it in four years at USC. Where Colin
was right, Tua his toast. I did not get at
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any level the extent. I don't get how they built
the team. If you have Tua, you have to have
a good offensive line. You have to build it around
the running game, and he can throw on play action.
I thought he looked frightened yesterday.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
That you know.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
We all know he's not a cold weather quarterback. But
four times this year he's been under two hundred yards.
I'm not blaming it all on him, but I am
blaming the Dolphins on extending him when he had concussion concerns.
Quarterbacks need help. Cam Ward and Tua haven't had a
lot of it. But it's got to look better than
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what I've seen this year with Tua and with that
eighteen years in the league. Matt Hasselbeck is joining us
live on a Monday.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
All right, let's start.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I mean, I compared bo Nicks yesterday Klay Thompson of
the Warriors once had thirty seven points in a quarter.
That doesn't make him Steph Curry, it doesn't make him KD,
but it makes him damn good. So if you could
score thirty three points in a quarter as a quarterback,
I'm not giving you all the credit, but there is some.
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There is something about bon Nicks. You know, a lot
of guys hang their head. And I thought Jackson Dart
looked really good. But I mean, what do you what
do you make of a quarterback that is so bad
early and so amazing late.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
He's got great confidence to stay in there.
Speaker 9 (18:20):
You know, the coach has confidence in him, and he's
got his own confidence. That was an incredible game. I mean,
if you haven't seen that game, go rewatch it. It
was absolutely incredible one for the Ages. Yeah, they start
with the ball in the red zone in the fourth quarter,
but it was great play by by by Bonix and
he got a little bit lucky too, which I think
you need that as well.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
But I think he's a.
Speaker 9 (18:39):
Better, way better than advertised runner. You know, the two
touchdown runs that he had were incredible, but I just
think if you were to like lock up one thing
something you cannot test for at the combine, it's that
no flinch gene that some quarterbacks have and other quarterbacks don't.
And I think he's weathered the storm of you know,
ups and downs in his college career.
Speaker 8 (18:59):
He played a bunch of different places.
Speaker 9 (19:01):
He's way more mature than you know, someone with his
years of experience in the NFL. But he's got a
coach that also believes in him, and I think he
got him back in rhythm with some screenplays, maybe even
a little bit of quarterback run game, and it was
just incredible. I thought both quarterbacks were excellent yesterday, really
really fun game to watch.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I will say this about Jackson Dart and to your point,
I thought that what we thought was going to be
a game winning drive. Jackson Dart's a better pro than
I thought. I watched him at All Miss with Lane Kiffin,
and he was hot and cold. He doesn't make a
lot of it. He had one really bad pass. Again,
it's Denver it's an aggressive defense. I'm just going to
give you a bad throw. You're not playing perfect against
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that pass rush, forget it. I thought Jackson Dart was
really impressive. What say you absolutely?
Speaker 9 (19:50):
I mean, and he's given Giants fans hope something they
haven't had in a long time. My favorite thing, listen
just because he threw that interception that you know, ultimately
was one of the plays that led to their loss.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
Like in the long run, this is gonna be great
for his career. It's gonna be great for it.
Speaker 9 (20:04):
Like every quarterback you throw an interception, you never ever
forget it. I'm fifty years old, I still remember an
interception and you know whatever year that like saved me
from other you know, you know, led me to other
big successes because of that one mistake. And you listen
to him at Jackson Dart at the podium, he was incredible.
It wasn't oh, we can't turn the ball over it there.
It was like, no, that's that's me, that's that's I
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have to do better. Like a lot of I you know,
taken blame not we hear we had a way too
many quarterbacks at the podium.
Speaker 8 (20:33):
It's not not we dude, you threw the pick.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
It was you, and that's what That was the thing
I loved about Jackson, like it was almost like he
was brought to tears over it even dayball, Like this
team is going to rally around this quarterback.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
Uh they, I mean they already have, so like I'd listen.
Speaker 9 (20:47):
I know it's a loss, and I don't want to
be a moral victory guy, but with a young quarterback,
this is something it's a huge step. I mean, this
is something where the locker room is going to love him,
the league's gonna respect him. I thought it was a
really great game to two young quarterbacks who are going
to be playing a long time in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
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Speaker 1 (21:07):
So I'm interested to hear this. Whenever you go to
a game, it's different than just watching TV, even watching
the twenty two film.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
When you're live.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I remember watching Bo Nicks and Michael Pennock's live in
Husky Stadium and I sat in a couple of different places,
and it really gives you perspective on do they see
the field? You know, live is different, so you're live yesterday,
you're watching Drake may So on television. He looks amazing
and accurate. What did you see that I can't because
you're there.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
I think it's a good team. Patriots are pretty good.
Speaker 9 (21:37):
I mean, I think they're not getting a lot of respect,
not getting a lot of talk. A bunch of veterans
that aren't necessarily superstars, especially in their passing game and
their running game. It's very much a committee offense. Drake's
special though, He's got special special throws in his game.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
My concern for him is just protecting himself.
Speaker 9 (21:57):
He's a great athlete, and I think, you know, even
yesterday he ended up in the blue tent unnecessarily.
Speaker 8 (22:03):
You know, I had a quarterback coach.
Speaker 9 (22:05):
He basically would say things like, hey, can we have
less adventure.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
On our throwaways? Can we have less adventure when you
decide to run the ball?
Speaker 9 (22:12):
And I think that's the advice I would give Drake
may is that, you know, like his best one of
the best things that he could do for his team
is not missed any games this year, and that.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
Would be the one critique.
Speaker 9 (22:22):
But other than that, I mean, this is this is
a Josh Allen in development type of player. He's that talented,
and I think that, you know, for the Patriots, they
really feel like they got something special. And then being
there live Colin, it was it was basically all Patriot
fans there yesterday, and the Rabel chants were being chanted
by both Patriot fans and Titans fans. So, Mike Vrabel,
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I think everyone would agree he's a heck of a coach.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, so I said this earlier. I know it's a
singular game. If Matt Stafford doesn't make the Hall of Fame,
then I think it's ridiculous. You cannot watch him to
fly in you know, I mean jet lagged, no pooka.
He's throwing to a seventh round rookie touchdown. He's throwing
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to a rookie. Two rookies caught it. I'm in Listen,
this is not a great old line. Jacksonville a couple
of weeks ago led the NFL and takeaways. Jacksonville. It's
their second home. That game was Stafford was, and listen,
it's just a really good organization. As a former quarterback,
when you watch Stafford in that arm talent, what do
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you see, Well.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
He's always had the arm talent. I mean his his
problems were, you know, especially back in the day in Detroit,
getting a little sloppy with it and uh, you know
a trust in arm arrogance is what I think people
called it back then. No, he's unbelievably talented. He's super
fun to watch. Weird things happen overseas in these games, though,
like you never know who's going to show up, Like,
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you know, you think Jacksonville would be better at it,
more mature with it.
Speaker 8 (23:56):
No, the rams was it was a clinic.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
You know.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
Stafford had like five touch I think four of them
though were like less from the five yard line game.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
I mean, it was a weird stat line kind of day.
Speaker 9 (24:06):
He spread the ball around great to your point, No, Puka,
I think ten different guys, cub passes, great game plan, McVeigh, Stafford,
they know what they're doing.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
But it was really unique.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
I think, I like even DeVante had they get three
touchdowns for like thirty five yards. It's like it was
a weird stat day. But sometimes when you're banged up
and you're missing a star player, you got to go
win games in a unique way. And I think that,
you know, to your point about a Stafford at his age,
he did just that and did it perfectly. And you
know he's probably feeling pretty good right now, and you
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usually can't say that as a veteran quarterback.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, somebody said after the game, you may get knighted
after that, and he just said, can I get a sword?
All I care about? Can I get a sword? All
I care about? So you know, body language matters. I
remember years ago turning on Jay Cutler and just saying
I don't like his body language, Like his buddies on
the team don't hang around him on the sideline. It
drove me crazy, and I was critical of air and
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sometimes in Green Bay he's by himself, he's hold.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
And I was like, I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
But when I watched Ben Johnson watching Caleb on some
of those passes, his resting face is discouraged. I'm watching
him like he's not gonna eye roll, he's not gonna
yell at him. But watching them yesterday, my takeaway is
Ben Johnson knows what this team is, Matt, and it's
a run team. It's a yards after the catch team,
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and it's a takeaway team. We talk about Caleb, but
he's a supporting actor here. That's what it feels like
to me, is Ben's made the decision. Is we went
and got Dolmond, Joe Toney, Jonah Jackson, We're gonna run
the football here and then, and I think it's the
right call.
Speaker 9 (25:44):
Well, I think Ben Johnson is some some first time
head coaches, they sort of struggle, they learn on the fly,
they make a lot of mistakes. You say, like, yeah,
this guy, he was just a coordinator.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
He's not really a head coach. I don't think anyone's
feeling that way about Ben Johnson.
Speaker 9 (25:57):
I think everyone feels like Ben Johnson, know, like the
Bear's got the real deal, Like he's the real deal.
And I think he's got great confidence in how he
develops quarterbacks, what he wants for his team, what he
wants for what he wants for his offense. And Caleb
is supremely talented. So I think that this could work.
But Ben Johnson isn't really the type, doesn't seem the
kind of guy that's going to change or adjust. It's
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kind of like a Caleb We're going to play on time,
We're gonna play in rhythm, We're gonna run my scheme.
I'm not going to put training wheels on you. Like
we're going to take shots early and often, like it's
part of what we're doing. And if you want to
be on board, you want to do it my way.
This can work. If you want to revert back to
what you did in high school and college because you
were more talented than the people around you, then.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
Maybe you're not my guy. And I do think it
is working.
Speaker 9 (26:41):
There are times where he kind of reverts back into
kind of what you were talking about earlier, about you
know what cam Ward is kind of reverting back to
a little bit.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
And sometimes it's.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
Tougher for someone who's really talented to just play within
a system. I think that's going to be the hardest
thing for this marriage.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
But it could work.
Speaker 9 (27:00):
As long as they keep winning and Caleb keeps sort
of buying in, I think.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
It could work.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
So I'm watching Kansas City. They've rebuilt their O line
three times in six years. They maybe have rebuilt their
receiving corps four times in seven years. They do a
really good job I think of identifying their mistakes and
quickly course correcting. Is that I mean, I know great
gms in this league who would tell me privately that
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don't want to put it out there, they're like, oh boy,
I just totally whiffed on our third round pick. Everybody
makes mistakes in this league. But I'm watching Kansas City
and I watched them yesterday, nine different receivers, and it's
just like, now, I look at their receiving corps three
weeks ago, it's a mess. Now, I'm like, is that
the deepest in the league. In all your years in
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the NFL, you had really good coaches and really smart people.
If a coach did make a mistake or a GM
did make a mistake, were you ever in meetings where
people just said, we're going to course correct. This doesn't work,
this does. I feel like Kansas City is constantly fluid.
They're constantly because I pay Ma Holmes, Chris Jones and
Kelsey right, they've got to take They got to bring
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Juju Smith back, let him go, they got to bring
him back. What do you make of what they've done
to this receiving core in the last three years now
it looks like it's the deepest in the league.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
Well, as as a player, I never needed someone to
take accountability at the podium, Like I didn't care if
the head coach or the GM or anybody got to
the podium and said it, But I cared greatly, and
I think all my teammates did of what was said
in the locker room, what was said in the team
meeting room when a coach or the organization like you know,
says hey are bad, you know, like we love that,
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We love that. I thought what was really interesting about
the Chiefs, Like, I think the Chiefs have one of
the best cultures of any organization in sports in terms
of like, hey, we're in this together. It's us against
the world, even though the world's really not against you.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
You mentioned it. Nine different guys caught the ball, however.
Speaker 9 (28:57):
Like the number one targeted guy I think with ten
targets was Rashi Rice. Like this is a guy that
you know, whatever you might feel about him in that
locker room, that is our brother, that is our teammate.
Speaker 8 (29:08):
That is our guy.
Speaker 9 (29:09):
And they had a concerted effort from the ten yard line,
from the five yard line, screens to him, push passes
to him, welcome back.
Speaker 8 (29:16):
Number four, here we go. You're our guy, you know,
we were going wherever you.
Speaker 9 (29:21):
Help take us, Like that's a that's an effort that
the locker room rallies around and you.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
Saw it in the play calling. You saw my home.
Speaker 9 (29:29):
In fact, Mahome's two worst plays that probably should have
been picked where when he was forcing the ball to
Rashi Rice. So like he's got he's got an effort
to make, you know, bring the guy along, get back
right away.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (29:40):
There's just something special about when a team comes together
that way, from top to bottom and top to bottom.
And then I'm when I say bottom, I'm talking quarterback,
franchise quarterback, that's not really bottom.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah. Finally, every time I watch the Packers, they leave
me wanting just a little more, and I'm like, I
like him. They are super young, like Seattle. I understand
it's a process. They may look different in twelve weeks. Yesterday,
I'm like, okay, why does Jacoby Brissett look like Joe Montana?
Why is he completing balls? Why? And then I think, well,
(30:13):
Arizona at home, they've got McBride, they've got good players,
looks like Larry Fitzgerald, Harrison, excuse me, Marvin Harrison now
is developing into something it is?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Do team do young teams?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I mean, every time I watch Green Bay, I'm like, okay,
why aren't they winning this comfortably or am I overvaluing
their talent? Well?
Speaker 8 (30:34):
I think they're young. I mean Green Bay's a young team.
Speaker 9 (30:36):
Jordan Love has got great potential, but I think we
just think automatically. He's like, hey, why aren't you playing
like fav and Aaron Rodgers like, you know, it's just what.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
Packer quarterbacks do. He's still a young player.
Speaker 9 (30:47):
I think defensively, you know, they've got a new defensive
coordinator somewhat new and Jeff Hathley, he hasn't been there
that long. And I think, you know, they played great
last year, he started out great. This year they add
Michael Parsons, They're trying to figure out the pieces.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
I think this is a good team.
Speaker 9 (31:01):
Parody in the NFL, it's a it's a real thing,
and especially in that division. I think a lot of
people had the Minnesota Vikings if JJ McCarthy was going
to be a guy, it's like, oh, the Vikings is
going to take that division.
Speaker 8 (31:12):
It's not. You know, now you got the Bears are
probably overachieving.
Speaker 9 (31:15):
The Lions are great. Packers took it to the Lions
week one. You know, I do think that this is
a team that I wouldn't be afraid to say this
is a playoff team that could really do something special.
Speaker 8 (31:26):
But yeah, I guess, I guess. I hear what you're
saying with the Arizona game.
Speaker 9 (31:30):
But Arizona to me is just always been this like
spoiler team.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
I don't care who you are, if.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
You're the Rams, if you're the Seahawks, if you know,
like you go down there, it's a that's a tough
that's sort of a tough game, usually as Kyler and
not Jacoby, But I'm not.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
I'm not giving up on Jordan Love. I think this
team will hit their stride at the right time. But
I get your fan I get you, I get your.
Speaker 9 (31:54):
Feelings with that, and I'm sure Packer fans somewhat agree
with you.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
By the way, you went to Boston College. The UCLA Bruins.
You are bandwagoning just assiddly. They are red hot. You study,
they let go of their coach, they bring in the assistance,
They're on fire as a program. It is amazing to
watch sometimes in college football. I'm like, it's a totally
(32:19):
different juice, totally different vibe with UCLA, is it not.
Speaker 9 (32:22):
Yeah, Well, for the record, I am a UCLA parent now.
And my son is on that football team. But no, listen,
it's a real thing. And I've been a part of
coaching changes when they happen on the fly. I mean
it's you either pull apart, y you pull together. And
this UCLA team has for sure pulled together, winning three
in a row. I think big Neon kickoffs going to
Indiana this week, so that'll be a big one Indiana
(32:45):
versus UCLA. The games aren't going to get easier in
that big ten matchup. But no, it's a real deal.
Speaker 8 (32:51):
I learned it. I learned it in college with many
head coaching changes. I learned it in the NFL with
head coaching changes.
Speaker 9 (32:57):
It's part of what makes sports great, unpredictable.
Speaker 8 (33:01):
And for all you betters out there, would never bet.
Speaker 9 (33:04):
On a team with an again against a team with
an interim head coach. It's like a blind date. No
one loves those going up against those types of opponents.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Good for you, Uh, Indiana's good, by the way.
Speaker 8 (33:19):
To put it mildly, they're good. They're good.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Hey, great, seeing you a man?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
All right?
Speaker 8 (33:26):
See you call it?
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Matt, when he comes to Los Angeles to visit his kids,
is a proud dad. And it is remarkable to watch UCLA.
So they the head coach, a former player there, leaves
and they, you know, Jerry Neuheisel, who sounds exactly like
his dad and looks like his dad. They have just
(33:48):
turned it around, just brand same kids, different energy, and
that game suddenly got really really interesting. So Game seventh
night Mariners and the Blue Jays
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
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Speaker 3 (00:35):
A wild weekend. We're live, We're in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It's the Herd wherever you may be, however you may
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from now. Where Colin was right, Where Colin was wrong
again at Game seven tonight, Jays and Mariners Seattle trying
to get to their first World Series. Couple of Monday
(01:00):
night football games. Jmac, really fun weekend, really really good Sunday.
You know, we complain that we don't love two Monday
night football games because it takes so many good games
out of the weekend. But that late window yesterday was nuts.
But let's start with the early window of folks. It's
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twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen. Again. Patrick Mahomes completed passes
to nine different tight ends or wide receivers. Their speed
is everywhere, playmakers everywhere, thirty two points a game in
the last month. I hate to inform the rest of
the NFL, but this is now once again the best offense,
(01:43):
the best coach, the best quarterback, and the most flexible.
Eight nine different targets. Sum are fast summer possession, some
are twitchy, some are big summer tight ends. And the
defense is remarkable. And here's the thing. Really smart people
make mistakes, yeah, but they're able to quickly identify those mistakes.
(02:05):
They're able to let their ego not get in the way,
and then they course correct very quickly. Kansas City, I believe,
has rebuilt their offensive line three times in five years.
I think they've rebuilt this receiving corps four times in
maybe seven years. And now all of a sudden, it's
the deepest receiving corps in the NFL. And the Chiefs
(02:28):
and you saw this yesterday with the Rams adaptable, They're
not one thing. Puka Nakua is out, No big deal.
We'll give three or four tight ends a look. And
you look at Kansas City yesterday, Hollywood Brown, Worthy, Rice,
Travis Kelsey. I mean, Rashi Rice comes back, ten targets,
ten targets. Mahomes and Rashi Rice haven't played in an
(02:51):
actual game in like a year, and he's throwing no
look passes to him, And so I don't feel bad
for the Chargers or bolt them Joe Burrow and the Bengals,
although he's hurt this year. You know, all these teams
had a chance. Kansas City was three and three, they
didn't have Rice, they didn't have Worthy. This was your
(03:12):
time to make up ground on them. But right now
Kansas City's not only back, I think they're better than
ever they have drafted so well. This is the deepest, twitchiest,
most unique wide receiving corps, the best play designer, the
best distributor. I watched yesterday, and I mean it was
(03:34):
like Mahomes was in a baseball cap in the fourth quarter.
It's like they pulled their starting pitcher after a great
two hitter and he had a six run lead in
the seventh inning, and he sat in the bench the
dugout and watched. But I don't see a hole. I
said this a month ago when they clobbered the Ravens.
Everybody said, oh, the Ravens are beat up. That's not
what I watched right now. They're just they just keep
(03:55):
adding elements. And I saw it with the Rams in Jacksonville.
The smart teams in this league. They miss on draft picks,
they make mistakes, they get players hurt, they have two
and three game slumps, but they course correct, they identify
mistakes quickly. Smart wins in this league. And I saw
it in London with the Rams. I saw it with
(04:16):
the Chiefs. A no look passed over she Rice. They
haven't played together in a year, only Andy Reid. And
here's Mahomes after.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
The know look one.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I kind of I wanted to throw to receive the
whole time, but Xavier was kind of holding that flat
defender with his release and so the corner was kind
of in between, and so just just holding and put
it in the spot at the right time. But when
it comes to like the way he moves and the
way he runs routes, I have a good feel for
when he wants the football and where I need to
throw it to. And so he's been working.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Well, the wildest game of the day is a team
that is trying to supplant catch and beat in the
AFC West. It involved the Denver Broncos, who for three
quarters were unwatchable and we're getting hammered nineteen nothing but
the New York Giants. They came back to win a wild,
wild shootout. But what I really watched in this game
and what I really saw, and I'm sure you saw
(05:08):
two franchise quarterbacks. Jackson Dart for the Giants was the
better one early. Boon Knicks was pretty special late. But
that's what I saw. They're both a little uneven. They
make mistakes, they have bad quarters, but both are confident
use their legs. Their coaches liked them to use their legs,
and I mean running quarterbacks for the record, are very effective.
(05:30):
In fact, it's Patrick Mahomes breaking ball. It's what he
uses in every big Super Bowl or AFC championship. So
Jackson Dart mobile doesn't take his eyes off down the field.
Same with bo Nicks. I mean, bon Nicks had four
first downs running in two touchdowns. I don't know why
Sean Payton doesn't run him more. They're both excellent at
it and when you're learning to decipher NFL defenses, pick
(05:53):
up first downs. Russell Wilson did it, Maholmes did it,
Lamar did it. You're good enough in the pocket, but
you're not going to be great in the pocket because
both bow and Jackson Dart unlike Mahomes, had to play
like in September their first year right with imperfect rosters,
and neither one of them got you know, Andy Reid.
(06:15):
So everybody keeps doubting bow Knicks because like a lot
of young quarterbacks, he's uneven. He just had the greatest
quarter of any NFL football player ever, scoring thirty three points.
And it's like Klay Thompson. Remember Klay Thompson once scored
thirty seven points in a quarter. Remember that with a
Warriors thirty seven points. That doesn't make him better than
(06:36):
Steph Curry or better than KD. But it makes him
a Hall of Famer and it makes him a great player.
But in the fourth quarter this year alone, bow Knicks
has three game winning drives. That is a season's worth,
and he's still a kid. I would prefer a complete game.
I would love a great first quarter and a great
(06:56):
third quarter. Bow against really good teams and the Steve
Venz is really good and was excellent for three quarters.
That's not what he is yet. And by the way,
the Jackson Dark drive on what we thought at the
time was a game winning drive, I thought it was
so smart. I didn't love the PI call in that
kind of consequential moment. I don't like that PI call,
(07:19):
but they called that. It is what it is, Peyton.
These guys bow Knicks and Jackson Dart, they're not overwhelmed
by the moment. They just they're not rattled, they're not frenetic,
they're actually I think bow Knicks focus is better and
is more confident trailing late. I think Jackson Dart, I mean,
maybe it's great looking kid, I don't know what it is,
but Jackson Dart never feels overwhelmed. And for the record,
(07:42):
bo Knicks has more weapons and a better offensive line.
So what Jackson Dart's doing, he's doing it. I mean,
he's got scataboo. But Denver's got better players, better offensive line,
more weapons, perceived as the better coach and play caller
and play designer. So Jackson Dart shouldn't win this game.
Jackson and Dark shouldn't lead for three quarters. And Denver's
(08:02):
defense is better than the Giants. So in a losing cause,
I thought Jackson Dart was amazing to go into Denver
and to give the Broncos defense all sorts of trouble and.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
To lead nineteen.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
If you'd have told me the Giants don't score nineteen
points in the total game before it started, I would
have said, yeah, I could see that thirteen, fourteen, seventeen points.
So I mean a losing cause. If you're a Giants fan,
you got your guy. You got your guy. He just
needs a better role line, he needs more help. Denver's
got the better players, Denver's probably got the better coach.
(08:38):
Denver's probably got the better general manager. Denver's definitely got
more weapons, the Mims and Sutton and Harvey and Ingram.
Denver has a Super Bowl roster. The Giants don't. So
I was blown away by both guys. I really was
blown away by Jackson Dart, and I wasn't blown away
with bow Nicks into the fourth quarter. But that was
(09:00):
that was That was Klay Thompson scoring thirty seven in
a quarter. You can stop arguing Klay Thompson's great. He's
not Curry. He's not KD But thirty seven in a quarter.
Not a lot of people on the planet ever can
do that. And Bownicks just had the greatest quarter of
any player in league history. I'm sorry, that's hard to do,
even with Sean Payton as your coach. Here's Bo after.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Well, I was thinking about how I was going to
answer questions if we got shut out, you know, not
where you want to be. And uh, you know, at
some point I knew we've done it before. In the
fourth quarter, We're gonna, you know, at some point we're
gonna go down and score. Now, maybe too late, we
may not score enough, but at some point we're gonna
do it. All of a sudden, you go, And I mean,
(09:45):
I don't even know how we scored thirty three points
in a quarter. That's kind of insane, but it's just
whatever we had to get done, we did it.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah. Bo's a he's a streaky shooter. I mean, he
just gets into these moments. I do think, and I
said this last week, use his legs. Brian Dabele has
quickly identified Jackson Dart's mobility, and they are leaning into it.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I would lean into bon.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Nick's legs when you're a young quarterback trying to figure
out and decipher these NFL defenses. This is not college ball.
The windows are tight, the DB's are better, the pass
rush is bigger, better athletes, things close quickly, use the legs,
move the chains, extend drives. All right, j mact. The
Bears have themselves a little winning street in Chicago. Here
(10:31):
we go, Here we go. Your Chicago Bears is getting
turnovers against bad teams.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Let's celebrate Colin whoo. Well.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I will say this, the Bears have reached a point
that is the ultimate respect in the NFL. And I'll
tell you where that place is. The Bears have finally
reached this place. We'll talk about that next.
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Speaker 1 (11:32):
Where Colin was right, well, I played blind resume with
Bonnicks Friday.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Remember that.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
We all thought that was kind of fun Blind resume,
and I said, with Bonnicks, he's really good. He's a
franchise quarterback. He's just inconsistent, but he just became the
first player ever to have two rushing touchdowns and two
passing touchdowns in a quarter. The last five possessions for
Bonnicks against the great defense touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal.
(11:57):
He's really athletic under fifteen yards, really accurate, can struggle
with the deep ball is not there yet. But he
is a franchise quarterback. And that's all I've said.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Where Colin was Wraw.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Last year's Washington Commander's magic has evaporated. I thought they'd
be a playoff team for a decade. They feel a
little old and a little slow. They're now three and
four and here it comes the Chiefs, the Seahawks, and
the Lions. Nothing is working. The defense's mid run game
(12:33):
is okay. Jaden Daniels is banged up. But there wasn't
fifteen minutes yesterday where I didn't think Dak was in
control of that game. I missed on the Commanders. I
did not think it was a one off. I thought
it was a new era and maybe it will be,
but it's.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Not now where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I've said Sean McVay is the second best coach in
pro football.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
The Rams fly in Saturday.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It's a twenty four hour business trip with no puka
nakua and it was one of the more crisp efficient
detailed game plans. Ever, how many tight ends did they
throw to? They had two rookies catching touchdown passes. And Stafford,
as we've said, is the best pure pocket.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Guy in the league.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I mean, you were watching a well oiled organization against
the Jags, and after the Jags beat Kansas City, I said,
this is not sustainable. This is not a well run,
well oiled operation. I thought, Stafford, if he doesn't make
the Hall of Fame, he's the greatest player in this league.
Not in the Hall of Fame, because he is magic.
(13:42):
Missing his star throwing the seventh round wide receivers in
London and they were jet lagged and got in Saturday
for a Sunday game where Colin was raw. I was
wrong on shoe a Otani. I just said he was
better than Babe Ruth. I didn't say he's the best
team sport athlete ever. He won MVP of that series
(14:05):
for one great game, six innings, two hit ball, ten strikeouts.
Does he have the best split finger in the sport?
He's throwing one hundred. He had more hits Friday against
Milwaukee than he surrendered, and one of those balls that
he hit appears to have left the stadium.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Here it is the right hander Patrick Dials and old
Tani towering wall, high drive right field. He's done it again.
Show hey Otani to the top.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
Of the pavilion in right field four hundred and sixty
nine feet, the longest home run at Dodgers Stadium this year.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Freddie Freeman's reaction, what did I just watch?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Said about three weeks ago, the Indianapolis culture for real.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
They should be undefeated.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
They had the Rams beat running back, wide receiver, tight end.
They have Pro bowlers, O line has to be top
three in the league. They ran over the Chargers, and
I know LA's beat up on the offensive line. But
I've been defending Chris Ballard for years. I'm like, folks,
this roster's good. There are stars in every unit. This
(15:21):
is a really, really good team. They just needed a quarterback.
They've got one, and they hammered Harbon Herbert.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yesterday where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I'm not saying it's all his fault, but cam Ward
feels a little collegey right now. He's doing a little
hero ball, a lot of mistakes. He's trying to force plays.
I listen. I don't know who to blame. It feels
a little like Caleb last year in Chicago. It's not
a very good staff, but he's been sacked thirty times,
(15:54):
doesn't have a great feel for the pocket, more picks
than touchdowns, one in six record thing it would look
like this. I for a long time, until the last
week before the season, I said they could be a
playoff team. Then I bailed on it. It's ugly where
Colin was right, Well, we predicted I did. I said
Notre Name in cold Weather would beat USC by ten,
(16:16):
and they would beat them soundly because they would run
all over USC. And that's exactly what they did. For
the record. Jeremiah Love is going to be a first
round running back. He may not be Bjean Robinson, but
he's close nine and a half yards of carry. The
kid's great. USC had some weird play calling. They were
okay on offense, but this was a bad matchup off
(16:37):
that Michigan game. The Irish had three hundred and six
yards rushing and Lincoln Riley has not proven the ability
to beat tough, good running teams on the road. He
hasn't done it in four years at USC. Where Colin
was right, Tua his toast. I did not get at
(16:58):
any level the extent. I don't get how they built
the team. If you have Tua, you have to have
a good offensive line. You have to build it around
the running game, and he can throw on play action.
I thought he looked frightened yesterday.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
That you know.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
We all know he's not a cold weather quarterback. But
four times this year he's been under two hundred yards.
I'm not blaming it all on him, but I am
blaming the Dolphins on extending him when he had concussion concerns.
Quarterbacks need help. Cam Ward and Tua haven't had a
lot of it. But it's got to look better than
(17:35):
what I've seen this year with Tua and with that
eighteen years in the league. Matt Hasselbeck is joining us
live on a Monday.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
All right, let's start.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I mean, I compared bo Nicks yesterday Klay Thompson of
the Warriors once had thirty seven points in a quarter.
That doesn't make him Steph Curry, it doesn't make him KD,
but it makes him damn good. So if you could
score thirty three points in a quarter as a quarterback,
I'm not giving you all the credit, but there is some.
(18:05):
There is something about bon Nicks. You know, a lot
of guys hang their head. And I thought Jackson Dart
looked really good. But I mean, what do you what
do you make of a quarterback that is so bad
early and so amazing late.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
He's got great confidence to stay in there.
Speaker 9 (18:20):
You know, the coach has confidence in him, and he's
got his own confidence. That was an incredible game. I mean,
if you haven't seen that game, go rewatch it. It
was absolutely incredible one for the Ages. Yeah, they start
with the ball in the red zone in the fourth quarter,
but it was great play by by by Bonix and
he got a little bit lucky too, which I think
you need that as well.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
But I think he's a.
Speaker 9 (18:39):
Better, way better than advertised runner. You know, the two
touchdown runs that he had were incredible, but I just
think if you were to like lock up one thing
something you cannot test for at the combine, it's that
no flinch gene that some quarterbacks have and other quarterbacks don't.
And I think he's weathered the storm of you know,
ups and downs in his college career.
Speaker 8 (18:59):
He played a bunch of different places.
Speaker 9 (19:01):
He's way more mature than you know, someone with his
years of experience in the NFL. But he's got a
coach that also believes in him, and I think he
got him back in rhythm with some screenplays, maybe even
a little bit of quarterback run game, and it was
just incredible. I thought both quarterbacks were excellent yesterday, really
really fun game to watch.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I will say this about Jackson Dart and to your point,
I thought that what we thought was going to be
a game winning drive. Jackson Dart's a better pro than
I thought. I watched him at All Miss with Lane Kiffin,
and he was hot and cold. He doesn't make a
lot of it. He had one really bad pass. Again,
it's Denver it's an aggressive defense. I'm just going to
give you a bad throw. You're not playing perfect against
(19:42):
that pass rush, forget it. I thought Jackson Dart was
really impressive. What say you absolutely?
Speaker 9 (19:50):
I mean, and he's given Giants fans hope something they
haven't had in a long time. My favorite thing, listen
just because he threw that interception that you know, ultimately
was one of the plays that led to their loss.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
Like in the long run, this is gonna be great
for his career. It's gonna be great for it.
Speaker 9 (20:04):
Like every quarterback you throw an interception, you never ever
forget it. I'm fifty years old, I still remember an
interception and you know whatever year that like saved me
from other you know, you know, led me to other
big successes because of that one mistake. And you listen
to him at Jackson Dart at the podium, he was incredible.
It wasn't oh, we can't turn the ball over it there.
It was like, no, that's that's me, that's that's I
(20:26):
have to do better. Like a lot of I you know,
taken blame not we hear we had a way too
many quarterbacks at the podium.
Speaker 8 (20:33):
It's not not we dude, you threw the pick.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
It was you, and that's what That was the thing
I loved about Jackson, like it was almost like he
was brought to tears over it even dayball, Like this
team is going to rally around this quarterback.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
Uh they, I mean they already have, so like I'd listen.
Speaker 9 (20:47):
I know it's a loss, and I don't want to
be a moral victory guy, but with a young quarterback,
this is something it's a huge step. I mean, this
is something where the locker room is going to love him,
the league's gonna respect him. I thought it was a
really great game to two young quarterbacks who are going
to be playing a long time in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
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Speaker 1 (21:07):
So I'm interested to hear this. Whenever you go to
a game, it's different than just watching TV, even watching
the twenty two film.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
When you're live.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I remember watching Bo Nicks and Michael Pennock's live in
Husky Stadium and I sat in a couple of different places,
and it really gives you perspective on do they see
the field? You know, live is different, so you're live yesterday,
you're watching Drake may So on television. He looks amazing
and accurate. What did you see that I can't because
you're there.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
I think it's a good team. Patriots are pretty good.
Speaker 9 (21:37):
I mean, I think they're not getting a lot of respect,
not getting a lot of talk. A bunch of veterans
that aren't necessarily superstars, especially in their passing game and
their running game. It's very much a committee offense. Drake's
special though, He's got special special throws in his game.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
My concern for him is just protecting himself.
Speaker 9 (21:57):
He's a great athlete, and I think, you know, even
yesterday he ended up in the blue tent unnecessarily.
Speaker 8 (22:03):
You know, I had a quarterback coach.
Speaker 9 (22:05):
He basically would say things like, hey, can we have
less adventure.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
On our throwaways? Can we have less adventure when you
decide to run the ball?
Speaker 9 (22:12):
And I think that's the advice I would give Drake
may is that, you know, like his best one of
the best things that he could do for his team
is not missed any games this year, and that.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
Would be the one critique.
Speaker 9 (22:22):
But other than that, I mean, this is this is
a Josh Allen in development type of player. He's that talented,
and I think that, you know, for the Patriots, they
really feel like they got something special. And then being
there live Colin, it was it was basically all Patriot
fans there yesterday, and the Rabel chants were being chanted
by both Patriot fans and Titans fans. So, Mike Vrabel,
(22:45):
I think everyone would agree he's a heck of a coach.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, so I said this earlier. I know it's a
singular game. If Matt Stafford doesn't make the Hall of Fame,
then I think it's ridiculous. You cannot watch him to
fly in you know, I mean jet lagged, no pooka.
He's throwing to a seventh round rookie touchdown. He's throwing
(23:08):
to a rookie. Two rookies caught it. I'm in Listen,
this is not a great old line. Jacksonville a couple
of weeks ago led the NFL and takeaways. Jacksonville. It's
their second home. That game was Stafford was, and listen,
it's just a really good organization. As a former quarterback,
when you watch Stafford in that arm talent, what do
(23:30):
you see, Well.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
He's always had the arm talent. I mean his his
problems were, you know, especially back in the day in Detroit,
getting a little sloppy with it and uh, you know
a trust in arm arrogance is what I think people
called it back then. No, he's unbelievably talented. He's super
fun to watch. Weird things happen overseas in these games, though,
like you never know who's going to show up, Like,
(23:52):
you know, you think Jacksonville would be better at it,
more mature with it.
Speaker 8 (23:56):
No, the rams was it was a clinic.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
You know.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
Stafford had like five touch I think four of them
though were like less from the five yard line game.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
I mean, it was a weird stat line kind of day.
Speaker 9 (24:06):
He spread the ball around great to your point, No, Puka,
I think ten different guys, cub passes, great game plan, McVeigh, Stafford,
they know what they're doing.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
But it was really unique.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
I think, I like even DeVante had they get three
touchdowns for like thirty five yards. It's like it was
a weird stat day. But sometimes when you're banged up
and you're missing a star player, you got to go
win games in a unique way. And I think that,
you know, to your point about a Stafford at his age,
he did just that and did it perfectly. And you
know he's probably feeling pretty good right now, and you
(24:36):
usually can't say that as a veteran quarterback.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, somebody said after the game, you may get knighted
after that, and he just said, can I get a sword?
All I care about? Can I get a sword? All
I care about? So you know, body language matters. I
remember years ago turning on Jay Cutler and just saying
I don't like his body language, Like his buddies on
the team don't hang around him on the sideline. It
drove me crazy, and I was critical of air and
(25:00):
sometimes in Green Bay he's by himself, he's hold.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
And I was like, I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
But when I watched Ben Johnson watching Caleb on some
of those passes, his resting face is discouraged. I'm watching
him like he's not gonna eye roll, he's not gonna
yell at him. But watching them yesterday, my takeaway is
Ben Johnson knows what this team is, Matt, and it's
a run team. It's a yards after the catch team,
(25:27):
and it's a takeaway team. We talk about Caleb, but
he's a supporting actor here. That's what it feels like
to me, is Ben's made the decision. Is we went
and got Dolmond, Joe Toney, Jonah Jackson, We're gonna run
the football here and then, and I think it's the
right call.
Speaker 9 (25:44):
Well, I think Ben Johnson is some some first time
head coaches, they sort of struggle, they learn on the fly,
they make a lot of mistakes. You say, like, yeah,
this guy, he was just a coordinator.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
He's not really a head coach. I don't think anyone's
feeling that way about Ben Johnson.
Speaker 9 (25:57):
I think everyone feels like Ben Johnson, know, like the
Bear's got the real deal, Like he's the real deal.
And I think he's got great confidence in how he
develops quarterbacks, what he wants for his team, what he
wants for what he wants for his offense. And Caleb
is supremely talented. So I think that this could work.
But Ben Johnson isn't really the type, doesn't seem the
kind of guy that's going to change or adjust. It's
(26:18):
kind of like a Caleb We're going to play on time,
We're gonna play in rhythm, We're gonna run my scheme.
I'm not going to put training wheels on you. Like
we're going to take shots early and often, like it's
part of what we're doing. And if you want to
be on board, you want to do it my way.
This can work. If you want to revert back to
what you did in high school and college because you
were more talented than the people around you, then.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
Maybe you're not my guy. And I do think it
is working.
Speaker 9 (26:41):
There are times where he kind of reverts back into
kind of what you were talking about earlier, about you
know what cam Ward is kind of reverting back to
a little bit.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
And sometimes it's.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
Tougher for someone who's really talented to just play within
a system. I think that's going to be the hardest
thing for this marriage.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
But it could work.
Speaker 9 (27:00):
As long as they keep winning and Caleb keeps sort
of buying in, I think.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
It could work.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
So I'm watching Kansas City. They've rebuilt their O line
three times in six years. They maybe have rebuilt their
receiving corps four times in seven years. They do a
really good job I think of identifying their mistakes and
quickly course correcting. Is that I mean, I know great
gms in this league who would tell me privately that
(27:26):
don't want to put it out there, they're like, oh boy,
I just totally whiffed on our third round pick. Everybody
makes mistakes in this league. But I'm watching Kansas City
and I watched them yesterday, nine different receivers, and it's
just like, now, I look at their receiving corps three
weeks ago, it's a mess. Now, I'm like, is that
the deepest in the league. In all your years in
(27:46):
the NFL, you had really good coaches and really smart people.
If a coach did make a mistake or a GM
did make a mistake, were you ever in meetings where
people just said, we're going to course correct. This doesn't work,
this does. I feel like Kansas City is constantly fluid.
They're constantly because I pay Ma Holmes, Chris Jones and
Kelsey right, they've got to take They got to bring
(28:08):
Juju Smith back, let him go, they got to bring
him back. What do you make of what they've done
to this receiving core in the last three years now
it looks like it's the deepest in the league.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
Well, as as a player, I never needed someone to
take accountability at the podium, Like I didn't care if
the head coach or the GM or anybody got to
the podium and said it, But I cared greatly, and
I think all my teammates did of what was said
in the locker room, what was said in the team
meeting room when a coach or the organization like you know,
says hey are bad, you know, like we love that,
(28:39):
We love that. I thought what was really interesting about
the Chiefs, Like, I think the Chiefs have one of
the best cultures of any organization in sports in terms
of like, hey, we're in this together. It's us against
the world, even though the world's really not against you.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
You mentioned it. Nine different guys caught the ball, however.
Speaker 9 (28:57):
Like the number one targeted guy I think with ten
targets was Rashi Rice. Like this is a guy that
you know, whatever you might feel about him in that
locker room, that is our brother, that is our teammate.
Speaker 8 (29:08):
That is our guy.
Speaker 9 (29:09):
And they had a concerted effort from the ten yard line,
from the five yard line, screens to him, push passes
to him, welcome back.
Speaker 8 (29:16):
Number four, here we go. You're our guy, you know,
we were going wherever you.
Speaker 9 (29:21):
Help take us, Like that's a that's an effort that
the locker room rallies around and you.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
Saw it in the play calling. You saw my home.
Speaker 9 (29:29):
In fact, Mahome's two worst plays that probably should have
been picked where when he was forcing the ball to
Rashi Rice. So like he's got he's got an effort
to make, you know, bring the guy along, get back
right away.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (29:40):
There's just something special about when a team comes together
that way, from top to bottom and top to bottom.
And then I'm when I say bottom, I'm talking quarterback,
franchise quarterback, that's not really bottom.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah. Finally, every time I watch the Packers, they leave
me wanting just a little more, and I'm like, I
like him. They are super young, like Seattle. I understand
it's a process. They may look different in twelve weeks. Yesterday,
I'm like, okay, why does Jacoby Brissett look like Joe Montana?
Why is he completing balls? Why? And then I think, well,
(30:13):
Arizona at home, they've got McBride, they've got good players,
looks like Larry Fitzgerald, Harrison, excuse me, Marvin Harrison now
is developing into something it is?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Do team do young teams?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I mean, every time I watch Green Bay, I'm like, okay,
why aren't they winning this comfortably or am I overvaluing
their talent? Well?
Speaker 8 (30:34):
I think they're young. I mean Green Bay's a young team.
Speaker 9 (30:36):
Jordan Love has got great potential, but I think we
just think automatically. He's like, hey, why aren't you playing
like fav and Aaron Rodgers like, you know, it's just what.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
Packer quarterbacks do. He's still a young player.
Speaker 9 (30:47):
I think defensively, you know, they've got a new defensive
coordinator somewhat new and Jeff Hathley, he hasn't been there
that long. And I think, you know, they played great
last year, he started out great. This year they add
Michael Parsons, They're trying to figure out the pieces.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
I think this is a good team.
Speaker 9 (31:01):
Parody in the NFL, it's a it's a real thing,
and especially in that division. I think a lot of
people had the Minnesota Vikings if JJ McCarthy was going
to be a guy, it's like, oh, the Vikings is
going to take that division.
Speaker 8 (31:12):
It's not. You know, now you got the Bears are
probably overachieving.
Speaker 9 (31:15):
The Lions are great. Packers took it to the Lions
week one. You know, I do think that this is
a team that I wouldn't be afraid to say this
is a playoff team that could really do something special.
Speaker 8 (31:26):
But yeah, I guess, I guess. I hear what you're
saying with the Arizona game.
Speaker 9 (31:30):
But Arizona to me is just always been this like
spoiler team.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
I don't care who you are, if.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
You're the Rams, if you're the Seahawks, if you know,
like you go down there, it's a that's a tough
that's sort of a tough game, usually as Kyler and
not Jacoby, But I'm not.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
I'm not giving up on Jordan Love. I think this
team will hit their stride at the right time. But
I get your fan I get you, I get your.
Speaker 9 (31:54):
Feelings with that, and I'm sure Packer fans somewhat agree
with you.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
By the way, you went to Boston College. The UCLA Bruins.
You are bandwagoning just assiddly. They are red hot. You study,
they let go of their coach, they bring in the assistance,
They're on fire as a program. It is amazing to
watch sometimes in college football. I'm like, it's a totally
(32:19):
different juice, totally different vibe with UCLA, is it not.
Speaker 9 (32:22):
Yeah, Well, for the record, I am a UCLA parent now.
And my son is on that football team. But no, listen,
it's a real thing. And I've been a part of
coaching changes when they happen on the fly. I mean
it's you either pull apart, y you pull together. And
this UCLA team has for sure pulled together, winning three
in a row. I think big Neon kickoffs going to
Indiana this week, so that'll be a big one Indiana
(32:45):
versus UCLA. The games aren't going to get easier in
that big ten matchup. But no, it's a real deal.
Speaker 8 (32:51):
I learned it. I learned it in college with many
head coaching changes. I learned it in the NFL with
head coaching changes.
Speaker 9 (32:57):
It's part of what makes sports great, unpredictable.
Speaker 8 (33:01):
And for all you betters out there, would never bet.
Speaker 9 (33:04):
On a team with an again against a team with
an interim head coach. It's like a blind date. No
one loves those going up against those types of opponents.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Good for you, Uh, Indiana's good, by the way.
Speaker 8 (33:19):
To put it mildly, they're good. They're good.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Hey, great, seeing you a man?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
All right?
Speaker 8 (33:26):
See you call it?
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Matt, when he comes to Los Angeles to visit his kids,
is a proud dad. And it is remarkable to watch UCLA.
So they the head coach, a former player there, leaves
and they, you know, Jerry Neuheisel, who sounds exactly like
his dad and looks like his dad. They have just
(33:48):
turned it around, just brand same kids, different energy, and
that game suddenly got really really interesting. So Game seventh
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