October 27, 2025 • 35 mins
Colin Cowherd praises the Green Bay Packers for their innovative offensive approach that keeps them in the Super Bowl contender conversation, while criticizing the Pittsburgh Steelers for falling behind the modern NFL curve
Plus, it’s the latest installment of “Where Colin Was Right, Where Colin Was Wrong” — featuring why Colin nailed his take on the Philadelphia Eagles’ offense and what he got wrong about LSU head coach Brian Kelly
He’s also joined by three-time Pro Bowl quarterback Matt Hasselbeck to discuss Chicago Bears QB Caleb Williams and his continued struggles in Ben Johnson’s offense following a disappointing loss to the Baltimore Ravens
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Speaker 3 (00:51):
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Speaker 1 (00:52):
Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, There's obviously
plenty of both. And gotta say the Green Bay Packers
no quarterbacks. It can be farm it can be Rogers,
it can be Jordan Love. That second half last night.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Whoo, Yeah, twenty straight completions.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Woo.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Let's start with that.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So I saw a headline this morning, Up and Coming
Jordan Love's stars as the Packers beat the Steelers Jordan
Love second half on the road, standalone game against maybe
a Hall of Fame coach and a veteran defense that's
as good as second half and that spot as Farvin
Rogers had, he is elite arm size, mobility, accuracy. Combine
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that with Matt Lafleur's play design and the Green Bay
smart front office. This is going to be a Super
Bowl capable winning team for the next five years minimum.
And last night was very instructive for NFL fans.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I watched a.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Game between the Packers and the Steelers, and I saw
smart and progressive and offensively nimble for one franchise. And
then I also watched the Steelers. I mean, these are
two franchises going in the opposite direction, with the opposite ideology.
Aaron Rodgers has done a good job to put some
makeup on this organization, but need a facelift.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Two iconic franchises.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
One of them has embraced offense, one as an old quarterback,
one as a young star. One is loaded with young
talent at wide receiver and tight end. The other spends
a fortune on defense. It's revolutionary against the rust belt.
As Steelers spent all that money on defense, why do
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they tackle so poorly. And for the record, Las Vegas season.
You know who's favored to win the AFC North this morning,
the two and five Baltimore Ravens. You can't fool Vegas.
You can see it in the Steelers' mentality. First half,
fourth and three, Let's kick a field goal. That's not it, man,
(03:10):
that's not it. The second half by Jordan Love and
Matt LeFleur, all time stuff, sixteen to nineteen, outscore the
Steelers twenty eight to nine, passer rating at one forty eight.
And the Steelers meanwhile dead last and fourth down attempts.
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It's punts and field goals. Mike Tomlin, Pittsburgh stuck in
the wrong era, and it was so instructive to watch
green Bay, little small market green Bay draft and develop
and pay. I mean there, you look at what green
Bay is paying star quarterback Micah Parsons. It's all the
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right stuff, right. There's an offensive lineman making a lot
of money. There's a coach in a quarterback making money.
There's a hash rusher making money. Pittsburgh gets old. It's defense.
Aaron's doing the best job. You can to put a
little makeup on the blemishes. But they need a lot
more than that. This was about Jordan Love. This is
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what green Bay does. Pittsburgh doesn't show the urgency at quarterbacks,
so they end up with a forty one year old quarterback.
Green Bay drafts quarterbacks three years before they need them,
let them develop, And Jordan Love is no longer up
and coming.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Stop it.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
He's the top six to seven guy in the league.
He has officially arrived as a star quarterback in this league.
And here is Matt Lafleuur after.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
It's great for Jordan's worked his off to get here.
You know, he was patient throughout the process, throughout the journey,
and he just he took advantage of the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
He's a great teammate, He encourages.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
The other guys. He's a hell of a leader, and
he's really grown as a football player.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, there's no up and coming about it. That second half,
in that space, that defense, that coach, that was something else.
And I said this last year and I've said it
a half a dozen times this year. That tight end
craft that is a ten year Pro bowler. That guy
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is unbelievable. There's your Travis Kelce. I mean, that kid
is unbelievable. It's amazing where you get these tight end
small schools. Fourth round, George Kittle, fifth round. That kid
is an all time talent. Way to go Packers.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Well well, well, what do you know?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
As the Packers are surging the rival Bears at the
most important position and offense, look a little lost. That
was a bad loss to Baltimore. Lamar Jackson can't play
and the Ravens still controlled the game. Third straight week
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or is it second straight week? Caleb Williams didn't ever
a touchdown, So first, Tyler Huntley deserves a lot of credit.
The backup quarterback for the Ravens. Total pro, totally coachable,
very efficient. That kid seventy seven percent completion percentage of
no turnovers, never got the Ravens in trouble. Let's let's
be honest. He was tremendous. He's exactly what a backup
quarterback should be. Let's give that kid credit. Tyler Huntley,
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you are a pro. You are exactly what I want
from a backup. I mean he made every time they
asked him to make a big throw, he did it.
So let's just not blast Caleb. That is what a
backup quarterback is. I may need you twice a year.
Lamar was there, high five in him, pro gets the
playoff in time, made three or four big throws, new
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when to get down, new when to throw it away.
That's one of the best backup performances you're gonna see. Now,
let's talk Caleb, because that's what the game was about.
Ben Johnson is a timing and rhythm head coach of
the Bears. Folks, Caleb is not a timing rhythm quarterback.
It's a weird marriage. Maybe it lasts, but they're going
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to be in therapy for twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
This thing is going to be a weird marriage. Caleb.
Here's what's worrisome.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
If you look at Caleb, he's very good right in
the on script in the first quarter, but in the
second through fourth quarters he's completing fifty eight percent of
his throws and it gets worse. On the opening drive
of the game, Caleb Williams this year completes eighty one
percent of his throws with one hundred and eleven passer rating.
The rest of the game, he completes fifty nine percent
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with an eighty seven passer rating. You take away that
opening drive with Ben Johnson and I've said you got
the right coach, and he gets ugly. I mean the
Bears offense. It's like that kid when the parents are home.
He's fine, they lead go to the grocery store. They
come back and the house is burned down. You can't
script the entire game. You gotta be good beyond the
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first or second series. You gotta be able to do
stuff on your road. And he's dynamic. I think he's
a nice guy. He's got a big arm. He's obviously
on script, very coachable. But top tier quarterbacks hit the layups.
Even the layups look hard. And that interception by Caleb
is a prime example. Caleb saw it one way, that interception,
(08:19):
he saw it one way. Ben Johnson sees this interception
an entirely different way.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Listen to this.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
He undercut the path, the route, and I, you know,
I could have let him know farther out in front
instead of trying to give him a shot right here.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
And you know that's that's you.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Know, he did it. He made a great break on
the play, just unfortunate where we were on the field
in the situation. Yeah, I have to check it out
on film just one more time, just in my mind.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
There might have been another option that we could have
gotten gotten.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
To not good.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
If I would have told you before the game one
of these quarterbacks would complete seventy seven percent of his
throws and have a one hundred and seventeen passer rating,
you probably wouldn't have guessed the undrafted career backup.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Not good. Again, some marriages need a lot of therapy.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
And I think the Bears have to play it out
for the rest of the year and probably next year.
And there is a big arm that throw a DJ Moore.
It could be exciting, It is fun. There are moments
he's talented. I'm not saying that, but the top tier
quarterbacks in this league all have something in common. Twelve
yards and under the laps Drake May it's it's easy.
(09:47):
I mean, it's just really easy looking some of this
stuff is. It shouldn't be this hard. It shouldn't be
this difficult. We've seen him to open the season, We've
seen them with extra time. It just looks hard all
the time. And again, first drive, he's one quarterback, rest
of game he's another. So he's coachable. He listens, but
(10:11):
you can't hold a hand, you can't babysit in this league.
At some point you're gonna have fourteen possessions. Twelve are
kind of on you. So I've said before, your eyes
don't lie. This is not ideal. I mean, and for
the record, Sean McVeigh chose Jared Goff and he moved
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off him. Ben Johnson didn't choose Caleb. I'm not saying
there's resentment, but this is a timing rhythm coach. It's
not a timing and rhythm quarterback. You can win with
timing and rhythm. You can win Cam Newton got to
a Super Bowl. You can win the other way. I think,
for consistency's sake, you gotta be more timing and rhythm
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than just do it yourself. For the record, Jordan Love
can do the timing and rhythm, but Jordan Love also
sees the field. He does a lot of stuff on
his own. So does Mahomes. I mean, the more I
watch Jordan Love, you know who I see. Patrick Mahomes.
That's what I see. I'm not saying he's Patrick Mahomes.
But when I looked at Andrew Luck, I said five
years ago, I'm like, Sam Darnold is like eighty percent
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of Andrew Luck.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
He's not as good as Andrew Luck.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
But when I watched Darnold come out, I said, it's
like Andrew Luck, not as good. When I watched Jordan
Love's size, movement, arm can follow. Coaching can be good. Offscript,
I see some mahomes, some mahomes with Caleb. I don't
know exactly what I see. I don't I don't quite
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know the timing and rhythm stuff. It said before, it's
hard to quarterback efficiently in the NFL, but it can't
look too hard. Like marriage isn't easy, but if you're
in therapy twice a week, it probably isn't gonna work. Right.
So that's where we are today, Jay Mack, once again,
here come the Packers surging.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
You had it to a Super Bowl in Chicago's trying
to figure out offense.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
You know, I saw an interesting stat that Kyle Hamilton,
the great safety for the Ravens, was in the box
on sixty one percent of snaps. So the Ravens said,
we're gonna take away the run game. Caleb, can you
beat us?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
He couldn't.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
He could not do it. You take away the run.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Game, and by the way, I think you're letting the
Bears defense off the hook, Colin. They let Tyler Huntley
get the ravens of the red zone six times.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Well, you know what, you know what it is the
Bears defense. It's a little fools goal. Yes, it's a
takeaway defense, right, Okay, so when they take the ball
away they go on a four game winning street. But
when they don't take it away, they give up like
six yards of play. And you saw it time and
time again. Is I mean, we got to give credit
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to Tyler Huntley. I know he's a backup and he's
not a star, and he doesn't he's in our business.
We're not going to talk a lot about him. That
is exactly what I want from a backup quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
That was one of the.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Most impressive backup quarterback performances. I mean, if you didn't
know who he was, you'd be like, oh, that guy's
pretty good. You can win playoff games with that guy.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
I think the Bears were down a few guys in
the secondary, so like things lined up.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
The whole league is down people. That's the problem.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You know, Listen, my Jets put up five hundred yards
of offense and Garrett.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Wilson didn't even play.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
It's like, what where did that come from.
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Speaker 3 (15:03):
So here we go to Monday. Colin right, Colin.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Wrong, where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I told you, I told you earlier this year, and
I told you last year. AJ Brown, there's drama, Jalen Hurtz,
head down, grinder, You're not going to deal with any
of it. They had their best offensive game by a
long shot without AJ Brown. Maybe it's coincidental, or maybe
the only thing that gets in the way of a
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great locker room is drama. And there's a little bit
of drama. It gets people sidetracked. But the Eagles I
watched yesterday looked like the Eagles that got to a
super Bowl last year.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, I kicked Buffalo out of the hurt hierarchy. My bad,
They're still good. What was remarkable is that Josh Allen
only at nineteen pass attempts. They looked like the real deal.
You know, what do you need to say when Josh
is feeling it. I don't think Caroline is as terrible
as everybody wants to say. I think Caroline is okay.
(16:07):
But gotta be honest. That was impressive where Colin was right.
Mike Vrabel and New England first play six and two.
This will mark the fourth straight year that my double
their win total pick will come to fruition.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
They're still in the rebuild.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
They still need to meet a consistent pass rusher, another
perimeter weapon, but they're well coached. And Drake may Man
does that look good? Just the eye test, accurate size, well,
he moves, knows when to slide. Uh.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah, we were right on that one.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I thought Brian Kelly would work at LSU. I thought
it was a weird fit. That whole you know, Southern
Twain thing he had I thought was weird, But I
mean the.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Guy won everywhere.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Ed Orzron one and Natty at LSU and Brian is
a good coach pre LSU he won big at three
different programs. Smart guy, but you know what, it just
go to a show that fit matters. And this was
always I think you knew this. It was a weird fit.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Said it last year when the Indianapolis local media was saying,
you gotta fire Chris Ballard the GM, and I'm like,
are you guys crazy? If you watch the games, they're
bad at quarterback, they're good everywhere else.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
They're all lines.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Good, Taylor, Pierce, Pittman. I mean, they could use another
pass rusher. They're probably one cornerback shy, but the whole
NFL could use another cornerback. This is a well constructed
team that jet the sky was never falling in this league.
If you don't have quarterback right, it makes everybody else
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look in confident. The GM and the coach are excellent.
They just needed a trigger man. And I would be
shocked if they don't sign Daniel Jones to an extension.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
The Celtics are winless without Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown's
even playing well. Listen, the last several years, the point
differential didn't change that much. In fact, the offense was
better when he didn't play. Now, I didn't think the
team was better, but they've been fine without Jason Tatum
for several years. Right now, their offense thirtieth in the NBA,
dead last. So I mean, listen, we know he's a
(18:27):
good player, good kid. In the short term, they were
fine without Jason Tatum. In the long term, it is
ugly because Jalen Brown's playing well.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Jaylen Brown always plays well.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Where Colin was right, Colorado got.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Baked again fifty three to seven, lost to Utah down
forty three to nothing at half. Listen, I said Deon
Sanders was great to get attention. Dion Sanders was good
for energy and some recruiting. He's not an elite football coach.
They're one in four in the Big twelve. You know, again,
not every coach is just about w's. I think at Colorado,
(19:06):
with some of their revenue issues, nil world, I think
Dion was a good choice. But we always said this staff,
I mean that, come on, I mean, you have to
be one thousand percent committed to coaching to be really,
really even good at it, and I just never thought
Dion was that level of a coach. Where Colin was right,
(19:28):
I have never waivered on Justin Herbert. Top five quarterback
period and right now, second in touchdown passes in the NFL,
first in passing yards with a number three running back
back up everywhere on the offensive line, he's faced twenty
more pressures than the next quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
They are five and three.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
They just blew out the Vikings and again he is
doing it with most of the offense either gone.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Or not playing.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Okay, I'm making an exception with quarterbacks wearing their hat
on backwards. Justin was it a Laker game with singer
and model Madison Beer Listen.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I'm sorry, I'm a true romantic. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Everything in life has exceptions. It was his off day.
I mean he didn't have practice. I mean he look
at it. It's like a hero. I mean, everybody in
life has to make one exception. Okay, I made a
big exception, and oh my bad.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I'm a true romantic.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I see, you know a lot more than just Valentine's
Day cards going forward. So I'm going to make a
little tiny exception with quarterbacks and their hat on backwards.
Influencer artist, Hey, it's an artist. Mean maybe maybe he's
(20:56):
becoming a little more ad libby and with that, Matt
hasselback eighteen years in the NFL. Listen, I have a
lot of kids, and I have rules.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I am.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I'll make a second exception on quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I like you and herl it. Hey, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
Romantic is that the right word. Listen for him. He's
got such beautiful hair. Though it's kind of like a headband.
He's just like keeping it back. He's like Jim McMahon
in that headband, said Roselle.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I mean, look at that beautiful hair.
Speaker 8 (21:31):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Ye, there's a lot of beautiful things there and that
his hair.
Speaker 8 (21:37):
You're such a romantic. You're such a romantic.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Oh gosh, I know all right.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
So I'm watching the Packers last night and I said
this during the break about half hour ago, and j
Mack rolled his eyes and I said, listen, stop telling me.
Jordan loves up and coming. That's elite size armobilly. I
think he's got a little he got a little homes
in in where he can do the underneath stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
You can put him on script. But I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Matt, he is just one of those guys that the
ball looks different. It's just he's such a natural, fluid guy.
What do you see.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
Yeah, he's awesome. Listen, it's so weird what the Packers
have done. They went from Far to Rodgers to Love
so seamlessly. In a world where no one can get
the quarterback, right, those three guys kind of sort of
started playing like each other. I think Jordan Love plays
a lot like Aaron Rodgers you know, and I know
Matt Lafleur is there sing coaches. It is Rogers finished
with and that's who's training him up. He's great. I
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think one of the best things about him is his calmness,
his demeanor when the moments get huge. He's got a
Jalen Hurts vibe about him, like yeah, yeah, this is
really cool. This is fun. I get to go play
against Aaron Rodgers at Lambeau, No big deal. Yeah we're
gonna do a jersey swap later. Like that's awesome. Like
it's incredible to have that level of you know, like,
this is a guy he probably grew up watching, and
now everywhere he goes in Green Bay people love Aaron Rodgers.
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A lot of those guys have Super Bowl rings on
their fingers, are at home because Aaron Rodgers helped him
get it. And yet he's like, yeah, it's cool, Like
I'm going with my guys that might really be his guys.
They're all hugging before the game, and I'm going to
be like, yeah, this is my team now, I got it.
I'm looking forward to this. I love that about him.
And yeah, sure, like all the throwing and all that stuff,
he's got that as well. There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Listen, everybody could beat up on Aaron Rodgers, but there's
sometimes you go to a company and the company has
a culture, and there's only so much you can do
within that culture. And this is a spend their money
on defense, a defensive head coach. They're still on fourth
and three, punting it or kicking field goals.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I think Aaron's doing.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Kind of about as much as a forty one year
old quarterback can do with Pittsburgh's offense.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Or am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Now?
Speaker 8 (23:42):
And they're the Pittsburgh Steelers, like they're never going to change.
They're bigger than any one player. I don't care who
the player is. For decades now, Aaron Rodgers breathed life
into that offense and that excitement. I think the defense
just isn't matching the intensity. They're not matching the level
of execution. They spend a lot of money in that defense.
I don't know if you know that, but they're not
playing like it. And I think in that game there
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were just so many efficient runs from the Packers, especially
late in the game. And by efficient run, I mean
like if it's second and two and you run the
ball for three yards, like that's perfect, that's called an
efficient run. And so like, not every run has to
be an explosive run, but when it's a running down,
we're moving the chains. That's where the Packers couldn't help
their quarterback out. They couldn't help out Aaron Rodgers on
the other side of the ball. So no, I mean,
(24:26):
this is still a playoff team in my mind because
their division is so bad and they can figure it out.
But the leadership in that locker room in Pittsburgh has
to step up and say, hey, guys, listen, this is
where the Pittsburgh Steelers. We're known for our defense, Like,
let's be known for it in a good way, not
in the way that, hey, we're letting down our Hall
of Fame quarterback.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
So this happens in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
It happens in the NFL, not that frequently, but from
time to time, a really great player leaves and so
does some drama and the team plays better. And I've
seen it happen in the NBA. It's not just all
about you know, great players. Chemistry is so undervalue. You
live with these guys for eight nine months. AJ Brown
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doesn't play. The offense looked like the Super Bowl offense.
And it's like, I like AJ Brown, I love him,
But is it a coincidence?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
They were that good yesterday?
Speaker 8 (25:19):
But they did play the Giants. I mean so, I mean,
I mean, you know, it's a rivalry game the Giants.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (25:25):
The Giants had too many mental errors, mental mistakes on defense.
They let Saquon Barkley go for the first touchdown of
the game. I think AJ bark I think AJ Brown
is an incredible player and very important in the Phillies
offense to all their success. They didn't need him yesterday.
They played out standing without him yesterday. But they also
rushed the ball for like almost three hundred yards. Dallas
Goddard is a weapon. He showed up big time again.
(25:47):
You know, the Giants didn't do a great job of
trying to stop him, and then other people stepped up,
Like late in the game, they're going all out blitz.
Jalen Hurts is forced to throw the ball. He throws
a beautiful pass to Dotson. He goes up in moss.
Is somebody like this, This is a complete team. This
is probably you know, a lot of people's favorite to
be the Super Bowl representative for the NFC. I think
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this is a team that I believe in. I've believed
in them for a long time. The drama they seem
to be used to it. There's there's something about the
mental toughness of this team. But yes, I would agree,
you don't want an energy vampire on the sidelines and
diva wide receivers can do that in this case. I
don't think aj Brown is that. I think his importance
to the team is value to the team is real.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
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Speaker 1 (26:35):
You know I was thinking about this this morning. Is
that just because a baker and a chef are in
the kitchen, they have two different skill sets.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
One baking is following.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
You know recipes, and you know chef is a little
of this and a little of that, and a pinch
of that. Is that quarterbacks we all just think big
strong pros.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Okay, that's not it.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Some guys are timing and rhythm quarterbacks, and some coaches
are timing and rhythm coaches. And then you get Cam
Newton or you get kind of far. I guess you
could say he's just kind of Listen, I'm gonna have
libs some of this stuff. I watch Ben Johnson and
I watch Caleb on script. That's one quarterback, but the
(27:17):
other twelve possessions. I'm not trying to be harsh, but
it just doesn't it shouldn't be this hard, Matt, should it?
Speaker 8 (27:27):
Well, I think Caleb Williams is still a work in progress.
He's a young quarterback, and you know, like I get
what you're saying, Like the baker and the chef, the
scouts are gonna love this guy. He has wow plays
and explosive plays that are just like amazing, Like you
can't coach that, you can't find it anywhere. That's what
scouts love. But what coaches love is consistency. I put
(27:48):
myself in that boat too. I want consistency. I just
want you to do it the right way. And I
think Caleb is trying. He's trying to throw on time,
He's trying desperately not to take sacks, but in the process,
kind of like what Will Levis did last year. He
was trying so hard not to take sacks. He's you know,
intentional grounding here and there. He's hurting his team in
other ways. He's missing guys that are wide open, and
(28:09):
so listen. I'm not trying to throw stones. I just
think he's a work in progress. But to me, so
far what I see, I think Ben Johnson is here
to stay as a great head coach. Will it work
out with these two guys, I'm not so sure. I'm
not so sure. The wild plays might be enough for
Ben Johnson to say, hey, I believe in my ability
as a coach. I can mold this guy. But at
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the same time, the Bears are talented team and they
want to be winning games. They don't want to be
losing to the Baltimore Ravens the way they did yesterday.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
I got to give credit. I know it's not a
flashy story.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I thought Tyler Huntley as a backup, that's about as
well as a backup can play. I mean, honestly, I
kept waiting for a mistake. I kept figuring, Okay, he's
a backup.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I was.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I mean that I looked at him and I'm like,
that's a professional athlete. I could not believe how efficient
he was. Or is it the Bears defense is overrated.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
I actually think he's a really good player and he's
a great fit to back up Lamar. I think he
could be somebody's starter. Last year he didn't play great,
and I'm not sure why because every year before that
he was very, very impressive. To me, I think he's
one of the I don't know. I would love to
coach him. I think he's a fun player to watch.
I think he does everything right. He plays on time.
You know, I don't know if there's a huge fan
(29:23):
club for him, but I'm in it if there is one.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
So sometimes, you know, it's so funny about this league.
We've seen Baker and Donald reinvent themselves. Daniel Jones was
so bad with the Giants it's hard to unsee it.
So Kyle Shanahan, you know, he saw the Sam Darnald,
the Caroline and the Jets, and he's like, no, no, I
see it. I see the talent, he brings him out,
and then Sam changes. I looked at Daniel Jones and
(29:50):
I'm totally wrong. I'm like, I can't unsee it. He's
too stiff. I know he's a big, strong guy, but
he's too stiff. It looks too hard. Are you shat?
I mean, I think Indy's going to give him an extension.
I think you have to. Are you shocked by it?
Speaker 8 (30:06):
No, I'm not shocked at all. In fact, I feel
like I called this. This is you know, he went
and spent some time with the Minnesota Vikings, like, you know,
similar to what Sam Darnold did with the forty nine ers,
similar to what really to what Mac Jones is trying
to do right now. And he showed up. And everything
I heard in Indianapolis from day one, they were like,
look out, I know, we drafted a guy really high
(30:27):
in the first round, but Daniel Jones is going to
be our starter. He's been unbelievably impressive and top to bottom.
I don't care who you talk to, from ownership on
all the way down. People have been saying from day one,
like this is going to be our guy. This is
going to be our guy. Reminds them of a lot
of the characteristics that they had and some of the
other great quarterbacks that they had there in the past.
(30:47):
So listen, this is maybe one of the best teams
in football and no one's given them credit. I think
it's starting to come. They got a huge one coming
up against Pittsburgh that'll be a challenge, but if they
go and beat Pittsburgh, I think there's no denying it.
We could talk about Daniel Jones as a possible MVP candidate,
if not his teammate Jonathan Taylor, and we could talk
about the Indianapolis Colts possibly being the one seed in
(31:08):
the AFC UH with a you know, with a first
round by and hosting playoff games in a dome stadium.
Look Out for the Indianapolis Colts. They're for real.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yeah. I okay, So a full disclosure.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I saw bow Nicks play twice in College Live and
I was a huge fan, and I've I covered Oregon
for a long time, so I just liked the program.
And I'm a huge Sean Payton guy because I worked
with him at Fox per year, and I just think
he's really bright and has a million ideas, not all
of them right, but he's got a million ideas. I'm
watching them first of all, between Sutton and Mims and
(31:43):
Franklin and this this kid from Illinois. Those guys are
like long, they run well, they can stretch the field.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
I'm just telling you.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
When I as a consumer watched Denver, I just see
athletes everywhere way in on that offense, bow and on.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
Well, they got a great defense, and then that helps
the offense. And Sean is very confident, knows exactly what
he wants to do, has done it for a long time.
And as a quarterback, he's exactly the kind of guy
you didn't want to play for. I think what bow
Knicks is so great at and a lot of people
you know, and I would say every coach I ever
had would say, hey, quarterbacks, you make so much money
because of what we expect you to do on third down,
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red zone in two minutes. And that's where bo Nicks
to me, has been outstanding. Third down, even fourth down.
He's been incredible with his arm, with his legs, with
his mind, just really impressive. And you think about that
draft class. The draft class that last year was Jayden Daniels.
This year, everyone's talking about Drake May Both those guys
are outstanding. But bo Nicks he's right there. He's right
there both last year and this year. And some people
(32:43):
will like, oh, he's streaky. Yeah, guess what when he's
when he's on fire, he's on fire. Similar I don't
want to say it, but similar to Drew Brees and
a little bit unstoppable. Like the defense. I don't know
what you do differently, And this this tandem with Sean
Payton like it's it's are they a super Bowl contender? Yeah?
If they can come out of their division, if they
(33:05):
could win that division, they can win the super Bowl.
That's a great division. So I'm a believer in bo Nicks.
I don't know how you can't be.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I'm watching Green Bay last night and I'm watching Denver
yesterday and they just these coaches Lafleura and Peyton have
a way and I don't. And I'm going to ask
you this that whenever they need a clever play, I'm
always amazed when Andy Reid gets Sky Moore not only
a touchdown of the Super Bowl, he's opened by twenty
yards at the nine yard line.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
You're like, how the hell do you do? That, how
do you fool everybody?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
How many times did you with like a Mike holmbrin,
how many times did you go into game? How many
plays did you have that were like, okay, we need
a touchdown?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
How many do you go into a game?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Because I swear to God, these offensive coaches, the best
guys just have a way of dialing up a play
and it's not just open, it's easily open in this
tiny congested space.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
Yeah, like listen, I might be like bursting your bubble
here a little bit. But like sometimes you'll put a
play in for a team. Let's just say you're Sean
Payton and the Broncos. You put a play in for
the Raiders and you'd ended up not calling it, but like, man,
that would have been of a great, great play, And
you keep practicing it for like a week, two weeks,
three weeks, four weeks, and now you're going to use
(34:20):
it against the next opponent like five weeks later, and
it works on them, and they're like, oh, they schemed
up this defense, and it's like, you know, the funny
thing is the name of that play is Raider because
we put it against it for the Raiders like five
weeks ago. We've just been practicing for so long. We
finally got the stupid thing called that call sheets so
stinking big, you can't you know, sometimes you just don't
get to all of them, and so like, yeah, it's
(34:42):
like sometimes like oh, we schemed them up, Like we
didn't even put it in for this team. You know,
I think the Philly Special might have even been that
kind of a play. The Eagles that put it in
way earlier in the season. So last game the season's
the super Bowl, and Nick Foles says to Doug Peterson,
be like, hey, you want to run Philly Special? Like
I've been practicing this thing all year, Like, let's just
go ahead and run it. So that happens. I see
(35:04):
plays happen all the time, and I'm like, I doubt
they put that in for this team.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Well you did burst my bubble.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
But it's great information, and it's anytime I see that,
I'm like, what a brilliant coach. And I'm like, yeah,
it's just like in the dust bin in the back
room and you pull it out because you need.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
It, you know, Yeah, exactly, all right, great stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Matt hassell back on a Monday, Thanks Bud, all right,
see you Yeah, that's such good information because Lafleur had
one of those last night against the Steelers, and I'm like, man,
that guy's a genius. You may have he may have
had that thing for the Lions in the opener and
he didn't get to it. And boy Sean Payton and
Andy Reid, they just you get into these fourth and
ones or a two point conversion, it's like, yeah, it's
(35:43):
gonna work. It's gonna work. And I love the fact
that he likes Tyler Huntley too. I'm watching the Ravens.
I'm like, you've never seen Tyler Huntley play. You're like, oh,
I can build around that guy.
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Speaker 3 (00:51):
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Speaker 1 (00:52):
Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, There's obviously
plenty of both. And gotta say the Green Bay Packers
no quarterbacks. It can be farm it can be Rogers,
it can be Jordan Love. That second half last night.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Whoo, Yeah, twenty straight completions.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Woo.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Let's start with that.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So I saw a headline this morning, Up and Coming
Jordan Love's stars as the Packers beat the Steelers Jordan
Love second half on the road, standalone game against maybe
a Hall of Fame coach and a veteran defense that's
as good as second half and that spot as Farvin
Rogers had, he is elite arm size, mobility, accuracy. Combine
(01:45):
that with Matt Lafleur's play design and the Green Bay
smart front office. This is going to be a Super
Bowl capable winning team for the next five years minimum.
And last night was very instructive for NFL fans.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I watched a.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Game between the Packers and the Steelers, and I saw
smart and progressive and offensively nimble for one franchise. And
then I also watched the Steelers. I mean, these are
two franchises going in the opposite direction, with the opposite ideology.
Aaron Rodgers has done a good job to put some
makeup on this organization, but need a facelift.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Two iconic franchises.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
One of them has embraced offense, one as an old quarterback,
one as a young star. One is loaded with young
talent at wide receiver and tight end. The other spends
a fortune on defense. It's revolutionary against the rust belt.
As Steelers spent all that money on defense, why do
(02:45):
they tackle so poorly. And for the record, Las Vegas season.
You know who's favored to win the AFC North this morning,
the two and five Baltimore Ravens. You can't fool Vegas.
You can see it in the Steelers' mentality. First half,
fourth and three, Let's kick a field goal. That's not it, man,
(03:10):
that's not it. The second half by Jordan Love and
Matt LeFleur, all time stuff, sixteen to nineteen, outscore the
Steelers twenty eight to nine, passer rating at one forty eight.
And the Steelers meanwhile dead last and fourth down attempts.
(03:30):
It's punts and field goals. Mike Tomlin, Pittsburgh stuck in
the wrong era, and it was so instructive to watch
green Bay, little small market green Bay draft and develop
and pay. I mean there, you look at what green
Bay is paying star quarterback Micah Parsons. It's all the
(03:53):
right stuff, right. There's an offensive lineman making a lot
of money. There's a coach in a quarterback making money.
There's a hash rusher making money. Pittsburgh gets old. It's defense.
Aaron's doing the best job. You can to put a
little makeup on the blemishes. But they need a lot
more than that. This was about Jordan Love. This is
(04:14):
what green Bay does. Pittsburgh doesn't show the urgency at quarterbacks,
so they end up with a forty one year old quarterback.
Green Bay drafts quarterbacks three years before they need them,
let them develop, And Jordan Love is no longer up
and coming.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Stop it.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
He's the top six to seven guy in the league.
He has officially arrived as a star quarterback in this league.
And here is Matt Lafleuur after.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
It's great for Jordan's worked his off to get here.
You know, he was patient throughout the process, throughout the journey,
and he just he took advantage of the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
He's a great teammate, He encourages.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
The other guys. He's a hell of a leader, and
he's really grown as a football player.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, there's no up and coming about it. That second half,
in that space, that defense, that coach, that was something else.
And I said this last year and I've said it
a half a dozen times this year. That tight end
craft that is a ten year Pro bowler. That guy
(05:24):
is unbelievable. There's your Travis Kelce. I mean, that kid
is unbelievable. It's amazing where you get these tight end
small schools. Fourth round, George Kittle, fifth round. That kid
is an all time talent. Way to go Packers.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Well well, well, what do you know?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
As the Packers are surging the rival Bears at the
most important position and offense, look a little lost. That
was a bad loss to Baltimore. Lamar Jackson can't play
and the Ravens still controlled the game. Third straight week
(06:03):
or is it second straight week? Caleb Williams didn't ever
a touchdown, So first, Tyler Huntley deserves a lot of credit.
The backup quarterback for the Ravens. Total pro, totally coachable,
very efficient. That kid seventy seven percent completion percentage of
no turnovers, never got the Ravens in trouble. Let's let's
be honest. He was tremendous. He's exactly what a backup
quarterback should be. Let's give that kid credit. Tyler Huntley,
(06:26):
you are a pro. You are exactly what I want
from a backup. I mean he made every time they
asked him to make a big throw, he did it.
So let's just not blast Caleb. That is what a
backup quarterback is. I may need you twice a year.
Lamar was there, high five in him, pro gets the
playoff in time, made three or four big throws, new
(06:48):
when to get down, new when to throw it away.
That's one of the best backup performances you're gonna see. Now,
let's talk Caleb, because that's what the game was about.
Ben Johnson is a timing and rhythm head coach of
the Bears. Folks, Caleb is not a timing rhythm quarterback.
It's a weird marriage. Maybe it lasts, but they're going
(07:08):
to be in therapy for twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
This thing is going to be a weird marriage. Caleb.
Here's what's worrisome.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
If you look at Caleb, he's very good right in
the on script in the first quarter, but in the
second through fourth quarters he's completing fifty eight percent of
his throws and it gets worse. On the opening drive
of the game, Caleb Williams this year completes eighty one
percent of his throws with one hundred and eleven passer rating.
The rest of the game, he completes fifty nine percent
(07:37):
with an eighty seven passer rating. You take away that
opening drive with Ben Johnson and I've said you got
the right coach, and he gets ugly. I mean the
Bears offense. It's like that kid when the parents are home.
He's fine, they lead go to the grocery store. They
come back and the house is burned down. You can't
script the entire game. You gotta be good beyond the
(07:58):
first or second series. You gotta be able to do
stuff on your road. And he's dynamic. I think he's
a nice guy. He's got a big arm. He's obviously
on script, very coachable. But top tier quarterbacks hit the layups.
Even the layups look hard. And that interception by Caleb
is a prime example. Caleb saw it one way, that interception,
(08:19):
he saw it one way. Ben Johnson sees this interception
an entirely different way.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Listen to this.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
He undercut the path, the route, and I, you know,
I could have let him know farther out in front
instead of trying to give him a shot right here.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
And you know that's that's you.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Know, he did it. He made a great break on
the play, just unfortunate where we were on the field
in the situation. Yeah, I have to check it out
on film just one more time, just in my mind.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
There might have been another option that we could have
gotten gotten.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
To not good.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
If I would have told you before the game one
of these quarterbacks would complete seventy seven percent of his
throws and have a one hundred and seventeen passer rating,
you probably wouldn't have guessed the undrafted career backup.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Not good. Again, some marriages need a lot of therapy.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
And I think the Bears have to play it out
for the rest of the year and probably next year.
And there is a big arm that throw a DJ Moore.
It could be exciting, It is fun. There are moments
he's talented. I'm not saying that, but the top tier
quarterbacks in this league all have something in common. Twelve
yards and under the laps Drake May it's it's easy.
(09:47):
I mean, it's just really easy looking some of this
stuff is. It shouldn't be this hard. It shouldn't be
this difficult. We've seen him to open the season, We've
seen them with extra time. It just looks hard all
the time. And again, first drive, he's one quarterback, rest
of game he's another. So he's coachable. He listens, but
(10:11):
you can't hold a hand, you can't babysit in this league.
At some point you're gonna have fourteen possessions. Twelve are
kind of on you. So I've said before, your eyes
don't lie. This is not ideal. I mean, and for
the record, Sean McVeigh chose Jared Goff and he moved
(10:33):
off him. Ben Johnson didn't choose Caleb. I'm not saying
there's resentment, but this is a timing rhythm coach. It's
not a timing and rhythm quarterback. You can win with
timing and rhythm. You can win Cam Newton got to
a Super Bowl. You can win the other way. I think,
for consistency's sake, you gotta be more timing and rhythm
(10:58):
than just do it yourself. For the record, Jordan Love
can do the timing and rhythm, but Jordan Love also
sees the field. He does a lot of stuff on
his own. So does Mahomes. I mean, the more I
watch Jordan Love, you know who I see. Patrick Mahomes.
That's what I see. I'm not saying he's Patrick Mahomes.
But when I looked at Andrew Luck, I said five
years ago, I'm like, Sam Darnold is like eighty percent
(11:23):
of Andrew Luck.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
He's not as good as Andrew Luck.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
But when I watched Darnold come out, I said, it's
like Andrew Luck, not as good. When I watched Jordan
Love's size, movement, arm can follow. Coaching can be good. Offscript,
I see some mahomes, some mahomes with Caleb. I don't
know exactly what I see. I don't I don't quite
(11:47):
know the timing and rhythm stuff. It said before, it's
hard to quarterback efficiently in the NFL, but it can't
look too hard. Like marriage isn't easy, but if you're
in therapy twice a week, it probably isn't gonna work. Right.
So that's where we are today, Jay Mack, once again,
here come the Packers surging.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
You had it to a Super Bowl in Chicago's trying
to figure out offense.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
You know, I saw an interesting stat that Kyle Hamilton,
the great safety for the Ravens, was in the box
on sixty one percent of snaps. So the Ravens said,
we're gonna take away the run game. Caleb, can you
beat us?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
He couldn't.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
He could not do it. You take away the run.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Game, and by the way, I think you're letting the
Bears defense off the hook, Colin. They let Tyler Huntley
get the ravens of the red zone six times.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Well, you know what, you know what it is the
Bears defense. It's a little fools goal. Yes, it's a
takeaway defense, right, Okay, so when they take the ball
away they go on a four game winning street. But
when they don't take it away, they give up like
six yards of play. And you saw it time and
time again. Is I mean, we got to give credit
(12:52):
to Tyler Huntley. I know he's a backup and he's
not a star, and he doesn't he's in our business.
We're not going to talk a lot about him. That
is exactly what I want from a backup quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
That was one of the.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Most impressive backup quarterback performances. I mean, if you didn't
know who he was, you'd be like, oh, that guy's
pretty good. You can win playoff games with that guy.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
I think the Bears were down a few guys in
the secondary, so like things lined up.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
The whole league is down people. That's the problem.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You know, Listen, my Jets put up five hundred yards
of offense and Garrett.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Wilson didn't even play.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
It's like, what where did that come from.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
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So here we go to Monday. Colin right, Colin.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Wrong, where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I told you, I told you earlier this year, and
I told you last year. AJ Brown, there's drama, Jalen Hurtz,
head down, grinder, You're not going to deal with any
of it. They had their best offensive game by a
long shot without AJ Brown. Maybe it's coincidental, or maybe
the only thing that gets in the way of a
(15:29):
great locker room is drama. And there's a little bit
of drama. It gets people sidetracked. But the Eagles I
watched yesterday looked like the Eagles that got to a
super Bowl last year.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, I kicked Buffalo out of the hurt hierarchy. My bad,
They're still good. What was remarkable is that Josh Allen
only at nineteen pass attempts. They looked like the real deal.
You know, what do you need to say when Josh
is feeling it. I don't think Caroline is as terrible
as everybody wants to say. I think Caroline is okay.
(16:07):
But gotta be honest. That was impressive where Colin was right.
Mike Vrabel and New England first play six and two.
This will mark the fourth straight year that my double
their win total pick will come to fruition.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
They're still in the rebuild.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
They still need to meet a consistent pass rusher, another
perimeter weapon, but they're well coached. And Drake may Man
does that look good? Just the eye test, accurate size, well,
he moves, knows when to slide. Uh.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah, we were right on that one.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I thought Brian Kelly would work at LSU. I thought
it was a weird fit. That whole you know, Southern
Twain thing he had I thought was weird, But I
mean the.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Guy won everywhere.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Ed Orzron one and Natty at LSU and Brian is
a good coach pre LSU he won big at three
different programs. Smart guy, but you know what, it just
go to a show that fit matters. And this was
always I think you knew this. It was a weird fit.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Said it last year when the Indianapolis local media was saying,
you gotta fire Chris Ballard the GM, and I'm like,
are you guys crazy? If you watch the games, they're
bad at quarterback, they're good everywhere else.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
They're all lines.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Good, Taylor, Pierce, Pittman. I mean, they could use another
pass rusher. They're probably one cornerback shy, but the whole
NFL could use another cornerback. This is a well constructed
team that jet the sky was never falling in this league.
If you don't have quarterback right, it makes everybody else
(17:50):
look in confident. The GM and the coach are excellent.
They just needed a trigger man. And I would be
shocked if they don't sign Daniel Jones to an extension.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
The Celtics are winless without Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown's
even playing well. Listen, the last several years, the point
differential didn't change that much. In fact, the offense was
better when he didn't play. Now, I didn't think the
team was better, but they've been fine without Jason Tatum
for several years. Right now, their offense thirtieth in the NBA,
dead last. So I mean, listen, we know he's a
(18:27):
good player, good kid. In the short term, they were
fine without Jason Tatum. In the long term, it is
ugly because Jalen Brown's playing well.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Jaylen Brown always plays well.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Where Colin was right, Colorado got.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Baked again fifty three to seven, lost to Utah down
forty three to nothing at half. Listen, I said Deon
Sanders was great to get attention. Dion Sanders was good
for energy and some recruiting. He's not an elite football coach.
They're one in four in the Big twelve. You know, again,
not every coach is just about w's. I think at Colorado,
(19:06):
with some of their revenue issues, nil world, I think
Dion was a good choice. But we always said this staff,
I mean that, come on, I mean, you have to
be one thousand percent committed to coaching to be really,
really even good at it, and I just never thought
Dion was that level of a coach. Where Colin was right,
(19:28):
I have never waivered on Justin Herbert. Top five quarterback
period and right now, second in touchdown passes in the NFL,
first in passing yards with a number three running back
back up everywhere on the offensive line, he's faced twenty
more pressures than the next quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
They are five and three.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
They just blew out the Vikings and again he is
doing it with most of the offense either gone.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Or not playing.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Okay, I'm making an exception with quarterbacks wearing their hat
on backwards. Justin was it a Laker game with singer
and model Madison Beer Listen.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I'm sorry, I'm a true romantic. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Everything in life has exceptions. It was his off day.
I mean he didn't have practice. I mean he look
at it. It's like a hero. I mean, everybody in
life has to make one exception. Okay, I made a
big exception, and oh my bad.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I'm a true romantic.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I see, you know a lot more than just Valentine's
Day cards going forward. So I'm going to make a
little tiny exception with quarterbacks and their hat on backwards.
Influencer artist, Hey, it's an artist. Mean maybe maybe he's
(20:56):
becoming a little more ad libby and with that, Matt
hasselback eighteen years in the NFL. Listen, I have a
lot of kids, and I have rules.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I am.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I'll make a second exception on quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I like you and herl it. Hey, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
Romantic is that the right word. Listen for him. He's
got such beautiful hair. Though it's kind of like a headband.
He's just like keeping it back. He's like Jim McMahon
in that headband, said Roselle.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I mean, look at that beautiful hair.
Speaker 8 (21:31):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Ye, there's a lot of beautiful things there and that
his hair.
Speaker 8 (21:37):
You're such a romantic. You're such a romantic.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Oh gosh, I know all right.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
So I'm watching the Packers last night and I said
this during the break about half hour ago, and j
Mack rolled his eyes and I said, listen, stop telling me.
Jordan loves up and coming. That's elite size armobilly. I
think he's got a little he got a little homes
in in where he can do the underneath stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
You can put him on script. But I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Matt, he is just one of those guys that the
ball looks different. It's just he's such a natural, fluid guy.
What do you see.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
Yeah, he's awesome. Listen, it's so weird what the Packers
have done. They went from Far to Rodgers to Love
so seamlessly. In a world where no one can get
the quarterback, right, those three guys kind of sort of
started playing like each other. I think Jordan Love plays
a lot like Aaron Rodgers you know, and I know
Matt Lafleur is there sing coaches. It is Rogers finished
with and that's who's training him up. He's great. I
(22:33):
think one of the best things about him is his calmness,
his demeanor when the moments get huge. He's got a
Jalen Hurts vibe about him, like yeah, yeah, this is
really cool. This is fun. I get to go play
against Aaron Rodgers at Lambeau, No big deal. Yeah we're
gonna do a jersey swap later. Like that's awesome. Like
it's incredible to have that level of you know, like,
this is a guy he probably grew up watching, and
now everywhere he goes in Green Bay people love Aaron Rodgers.
(22:55):
A lot of those guys have Super Bowl rings on
their fingers, are at home because Aaron Rodgers helped him
get it. And yet he's like, yeah, it's cool, Like
I'm going with my guys that might really be his guys.
They're all hugging before the game, and I'm going to
be like, yeah, this is my team now, I got it.
I'm looking forward to this. I love that about him.
And yeah, sure, like all the throwing and all that stuff,
he's got that as well. There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Listen, everybody could beat up on Aaron Rodgers, but there's
sometimes you go to a company and the company has
a culture, and there's only so much you can do
within that culture. And this is a spend their money
on defense, a defensive head coach. They're still on fourth
and three, punting it or kicking field goals.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I think Aaron's doing.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Kind of about as much as a forty one year
old quarterback can do with Pittsburgh's offense.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Or am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Now?
Speaker 8 (23:42):
And they're the Pittsburgh Steelers, like they're never going to change.
They're bigger than any one player. I don't care who
the player is. For decades now, Aaron Rodgers breathed life
into that offense and that excitement. I think the defense
just isn't matching the intensity. They're not matching the level
of execution. They spend a lot of money in that defense.
I don't know if you know that, but they're not
playing like it. And I think in that game there
(24:03):
were just so many efficient runs from the Packers, especially
late in the game. And by efficient run, I mean
like if it's second and two and you run the
ball for three yards, like that's perfect, that's called an
efficient run. And so like, not every run has to
be an explosive run, but when it's a running down,
we're moving the chains. That's where the Packers couldn't help
their quarterback out. They couldn't help out Aaron Rodgers on
the other side of the ball. So no, I mean,
(24:26):
this is still a playoff team in my mind because
their division is so bad and they can figure it out.
But the leadership in that locker room in Pittsburgh has
to step up and say, hey, guys, listen, this is
where the Pittsburgh Steelers. We're known for our defense, Like,
let's be known for it in a good way, not
in the way that, hey, we're letting down our Hall
of Fame quarterback.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
So this happens in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
It happens in the NFL, not that frequently, but from
time to time, a really great player leaves and so
does some drama and the team plays better. And I've
seen it happen in the NBA. It's not just all
about you know, great players. Chemistry is so undervalue. You
live with these guys for eight nine months. AJ Brown
(25:09):
doesn't play. The offense looked like the Super Bowl offense.
And it's like, I like AJ Brown, I love him,
But is it a coincidence?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
They were that good yesterday?
Speaker 8 (25:19):
But they did play the Giants. I mean so, I mean,
I mean, you know, it's a rivalry game the Giants.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (25:25):
The Giants had too many mental errors, mental mistakes on defense.
They let Saquon Barkley go for the first touchdown of
the game. I think AJ bark I think AJ Brown
is an incredible player and very important in the Phillies
offense to all their success. They didn't need him yesterday.
They played out standing without him yesterday. But they also
rushed the ball for like almost three hundred yards. Dallas
Goddard is a weapon. He showed up big time again.
(25:47):
You know, the Giants didn't do a great job of
trying to stop him, and then other people stepped up,
Like late in the game, they're going all out blitz.
Jalen Hurts is forced to throw the ball. He throws
a beautiful pass to Dotson. He goes up in moss.
Is somebody like this, This is a complete team. This
is probably you know, a lot of people's favorite to
be the Super Bowl representative for the NFC. I think
(26:08):
this is a team that I believe in. I've believed
in them for a long time. The drama they seem
to be used to it. There's there's something about the
mental toughness of this team. But yes, I would agree,
you don't want an energy vampire on the sidelines and
diva wide receivers can do that in this case. I
don't think aj Brown is that. I think his importance
to the team is value to the team is real.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
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Speaker 1 (26:35):
You know I was thinking about this this morning. Is
that just because a baker and a chef are in
the kitchen, they have two different skill sets.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
One baking is following.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
You know recipes, and you know chef is a little
of this and a little of that, and a pinch
of that. Is that quarterbacks we all just think big
strong pros.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Okay, that's not it.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Some guys are timing and rhythm quarterbacks, and some coaches
are timing and rhythm coaches. And then you get Cam
Newton or you get kind of far. I guess you
could say he's just kind of Listen, I'm gonna have
libs some of this stuff. I watch Ben Johnson and
I watch Caleb on script. That's one quarterback, but the
(27:17):
other twelve possessions. I'm not trying to be harsh, but
it just doesn't it shouldn't be this hard, Matt, should it?
Speaker 8 (27:27):
Well, I think Caleb Williams is still a work in progress.
He's a young quarterback, and you know, like I get
what you're saying, Like the baker and the chef, the
scouts are gonna love this guy. He has wow plays
and explosive plays that are just like amazing, Like you
can't coach that, you can't find it anywhere. That's what
scouts love. But what coaches love is consistency. I put
(27:48):
myself in that boat too. I want consistency. I just
want you to do it the right way. And I
think Caleb is trying. He's trying to throw on time,
He's trying desperately not to take sacks, but in the process,
kind of like what Will Levis did last year. He
was trying so hard not to take sacks. He's you know,
intentional grounding here and there. He's hurting his team in
other ways. He's missing guys that are wide open, and
(28:09):
so listen. I'm not trying to throw stones. I just
think he's a work in progress. But to me, so
far what I see, I think Ben Johnson is here
to stay as a great head coach. Will it work
out with these two guys, I'm not so sure. I'm
not so sure. The wild plays might be enough for
Ben Johnson to say, hey, I believe in my ability
as a coach. I can mold this guy. But at
(28:30):
the same time, the Bears are talented team and they
want to be winning games. They don't want to be
losing to the Baltimore Ravens the way they did yesterday.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
I got to give credit. I know it's not a
flashy story.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I thought Tyler Huntley as a backup, that's about as
well as a backup can play. I mean, honestly, I
kept waiting for a mistake. I kept figuring, Okay, he's
a backup.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I was.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I mean that I looked at him and I'm like,
that's a professional athlete. I could not believe how efficient
he was. Or is it the Bears defense is overrated.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
I actually think he's a really good player and he's
a great fit to back up Lamar. I think he
could be somebody's starter. Last year he didn't play great,
and I'm not sure why because every year before that
he was very, very impressive. To me, I think he's
one of the I don't know. I would love to
coach him. I think he's a fun player to watch.
I think he does everything right. He plays on time.
You know, I don't know if there's a huge fan
(29:23):
club for him, but I'm in it if there is one.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
So sometimes, you know, it's so funny about this league.
We've seen Baker and Donald reinvent themselves. Daniel Jones was
so bad with the Giants it's hard to unsee it.
So Kyle Shanahan, you know, he saw the Sam Darnald,
the Caroline and the Jets, and he's like, no, no, I
see it. I see the talent, he brings him out,
and then Sam changes. I looked at Daniel Jones and
(29:50):
I'm totally wrong. I'm like, I can't unsee it. He's
too stiff. I know he's a big, strong guy, but
he's too stiff. It looks too hard. Are you shat?
I mean, I think Indy's going to give him an extension.
I think you have to. Are you shocked by it?
Speaker 8 (30:06):
No, I'm not shocked at all. In fact, I feel
like I called this. This is you know, he went
and spent some time with the Minnesota Vikings, like, you know,
similar to what Sam Darnold did with the forty nine ers,
similar to what really to what Mac Jones is trying
to do right now. And he showed up. And everything
I heard in Indianapolis from day one, they were like,
look out, I know, we drafted a guy really high
(30:27):
in the first round, but Daniel Jones is going to
be our starter. He's been unbelievably impressive and top to bottom.
I don't care who you talk to, from ownership on
all the way down. People have been saying from day one,
like this is going to be our guy. This is
going to be our guy. Reminds them of a lot
of the characteristics that they had and some of the
other great quarterbacks that they had there in the past.
(30:47):
So listen, this is maybe one of the best teams
in football and no one's given them credit. I think
it's starting to come. They got a huge one coming
up against Pittsburgh that'll be a challenge, but if they
go and beat Pittsburgh, I think there's no denying it.
We could talk about Daniel Jones as a possible MVP candidate,
if not his teammate Jonathan Taylor, and we could talk
about the Indianapolis Colts possibly being the one seed in
(31:08):
the AFC UH with a you know, with a first
round by and hosting playoff games in a dome stadium.
Look Out for the Indianapolis Colts. They're for real.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yeah. I okay, So a full disclosure.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I saw bow Nicks play twice in College Live and
I was a huge fan, and I've I covered Oregon
for a long time, so I just liked the program.
And I'm a huge Sean Payton guy because I worked
with him at Fox per year, and I just think
he's really bright and has a million ideas, not all
of them right, but he's got a million ideas. I'm
watching them first of all, between Sutton and Mims and
(31:43):
Franklin and this this kid from Illinois. Those guys are
like long, they run well, they can stretch the field.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
I'm just telling you.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
When I as a consumer watched Denver, I just see
athletes everywhere way in on that offense, bow and on.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
Well, they got a great defense, and then that helps
the offense. And Sean is very confident, knows exactly what
he wants to do, has done it for a long time.
And as a quarterback, he's exactly the kind of guy
you didn't want to play for. I think what bow
Knicks is so great at and a lot of people
you know, and I would say every coach I ever
had would say, hey, quarterbacks, you make so much money
because of what we expect you to do on third down,
(32:22):
red zone in two minutes. And that's where bo Nicks
to me, has been outstanding. Third down, even fourth down.
He's been incredible with his arm, with his legs, with
his mind, just really impressive. And you think about that
draft class. The draft class that last year was Jayden Daniels.
This year, everyone's talking about Drake May Both those guys
are outstanding. But bo Nicks he's right there. He's right
there both last year and this year. And some people
(32:43):
will like, oh, he's streaky. Yeah, guess what when he's
when he's on fire, he's on fire. Similar I don't
want to say it, but similar to Drew Brees and
a little bit unstoppable. Like the defense. I don't know
what you do differently, And this this tandem with Sean
Payton like it's it's are they a super Bowl contender? Yeah?
If they can come out of their division, if they
(33:05):
could win that division, they can win the super Bowl.
That's a great division. So I'm a believer in bo Nicks.
I don't know how you can't be.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I'm watching Green Bay last night and I'm watching Denver
yesterday and they just these coaches Lafleura and Peyton have
a way and I don't. And I'm going to ask
you this that whenever they need a clever play, I'm
always amazed when Andy Reid gets Sky Moore not only
a touchdown of the Super Bowl, he's opened by twenty
yards at the nine yard line.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
You're like, how the hell do you do? That, how
do you fool everybody?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
How many times did you with like a Mike holmbrin,
how many times did you go into game? How many
plays did you have that were like, okay, we need
a touchdown?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
How many do you go into a game?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Because I swear to God, these offensive coaches, the best
guys just have a way of dialing up a play
and it's not just open, it's easily open in this
tiny congested space.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
Yeah, like listen, I might be like bursting your bubble
here a little bit. But like sometimes you'll put a
play in for a team. Let's just say you're Sean
Payton and the Broncos. You put a play in for
the Raiders and you'd ended up not calling it, but like, man,
that would have been of a great, great play, And
you keep practicing it for like a week, two weeks,
three weeks, four weeks, and now you're going to use
(34:20):
it against the next opponent like five weeks later, and
it works on them, and they're like, oh, they schemed
up this defense, and it's like, you know, the funny
thing is the name of that play is Raider because
we put it against it for the Raiders like five
weeks ago. We've just been practicing for so long. We
finally got the stupid thing called that call sheets so
stinking big, you can't you know, sometimes you just don't
get to all of them, and so like, yeah, it's
(34:42):
like sometimes like oh, we schemed them up, Like we
didn't even put it in for this team. You know,
I think the Philly Special might have even been that
kind of a play. The Eagles that put it in
way earlier in the season. So last game the season's
the super Bowl, and Nick Foles says to Doug Peterson,
be like, hey, you want to run Philly Special? Like
I've been practicing this thing all year, Like, let's just
go ahead and run it. So that happens. I see
(35:04):
plays happen all the time, and I'm like, I doubt
they put that in for this team.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Well you did burst my bubble.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
But it's great information, and it's anytime I see that,
I'm like, what a brilliant coach. And I'm like, yeah,
it's just like in the dust bin in the back
room and you pull it out because you need.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
It, you know, Yeah, exactly, all right, great stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Matt hassell back on a Monday, Thanks Bud, all right,
see you Yeah, that's such good information because Lafleur had
one of those last night against the Steelers, and I'm like, man,
that guy's a genius. You may have he may have
had that thing for the Lions in the opener and
he didn't get to it. And boy Sean Payton and
Andy Reid, they just you get into these fourth and
ones or a two point conversion, it's like, yeah, it's
(35:43):
gonna work. It's gonna work. And I love the fact
that he likes Tyler Huntley too. I'm watching the Ravens.
I'm like, you've never seen Tyler Huntley play. You're like, oh,
I can build around that guy.
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