November 26, 2025 • 43 mins
Colin Cowherd breaks down why, for the first time in years, the Dallas Cowboys are must-watch for their on-field play instead of their usual off-field drama. Colin also delivers his Blazing 5 NFL picks for Week 13, featuring key matchups including Packers vs. Lions, and the betting angles every football fan needs to hear. Plus, FOX Sports college football analyst Joel Klatt joins the show to preview one of the biggest rivalry games in sports: Ohio State vs. Michigan. The two dive into playoff implications, conference stakes, and the controversy surrounding Notre Dame vs. Miami and whether the Irish deserve a College Football Playoff spot despite the Hurricanes’ head-to-head win.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh, it is Wednesday. It is thanks Giving Eve. Joel Klatt,
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be and however you may be listening. So tomorrow Lion's
Host of Packers That'll make the Blazing five Kansas City
at Dallas make had forty five million viewers. That's at
four thirty Eastern. And I was thinking about this this morning. Actually,
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it's the first time in a long time that I'd
rather talk about the Cowboys on field product. It's actually underrated.
In previous years, we talked about Mike McCarthy's job security,
Micah Parsons podcast, Dak's contract no Cowboys offense number one
in the NFL. The on field product, it's good. Devonte Williams,
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top ten running back, Dak PFF's number two quarterback, two
star receivers, one of the top third down offenses. The
offensive line is young, getting better, has surrendered the fourth
view ast sacks. One of the better three and out teams,
fifth Sewest.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Good thing about that. And with a new kickoff rule
and the field goal range of Brandon Aubrey, they're like
two twelve yard plays from points. They're scoring on almost
half of their drives. Add this to the best two
minute offense in the league. Add this, knew the best
quarterback in the league against the Blitz. It's not Matt Stafford.
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It's not Josh Allen, it's not Patrick Mahomes, it's not
Jared Goff, it's not Lamar Jackson. It's Dak Prescott. Great
against the Blitz. Top three in pressures running the ball,
two star receivers, best field goal kicker in the sport.
Made aggressive trades to solve their defense. Their defense was
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the second worst in the league. Then they made those
Kenny Clark Quinn Williams deals. You know, the last two weeks.
It's the seventh best defense, and go ask Philadelphia. You
can't run on them. For years, I was a cowboy critic,
and there's a lot of people in my business that
you know, they'll hammer Dallas because they know it gets clicked.
I hammered Dallas because I thought they were poorly run.
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But you can't hammer them now, and they may not
beat Kansas City tomorrow. For two first round picks, aggressive trades.
Number one offense in the NFL, best two minute drill,
best against the Blitz, top ten run game, offensive line,
not great in pass protection, but emerging is a much
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better run offensive line.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I know.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I didn't think shot number is gonna work. I thought
it was a week week higher. It's the best I've
seen dak in a long time. So Kansas City probably
the better team. Home teams do very well on Thanksgiving
either way. I think Dallas against Kansas City tomorrow it's
a real game, and I would not have said that
a year ago. Right, last five years, how many times
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Kansas City Dallas and you think you know Dallas could
win this thing. Well, Dallas's offense right now is a
lot better than can the cities, and it's not particularly close.
Here's dak On facing the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
We got to win every game at this point, and
the Philly game doesn't mean anything right now. Nothing that's
happened up to this point really means anything other than
it's put us in the position to be must win games.
We've got the guys, we've got the plan, we've got
the process intact, and we're gonna give it our best
and feel very confident in us.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So, speaking of quarterback, the Bears toughest game of the
year at Philadelphia Eagles off a loss, will be in
a surly mood. This is something I've given a lot
of thought, and I talked about it for about a
minute ninety seconds yesterday at the end of the show.
There's a lot of criticism from people on the internet
that don't like the fact that, like Caleb Williams is
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completing like fifty nine and a half percent of his throws.
And I've always said, like the line is sixty two
and a half minimum. So this year, you can look
at some of these stats on a passer rating, It's
completion percentage is very low. Here's some other numbers. Four
to no in November, eight touchdowns, no picks, and the
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Bears are the only team in the NFL to average
thirty points a game and four hundred total yards in November.
I like those numbers. But here's the thing. What's happening,
And this is why I give this so much thought,
and this is my favorite part about sports, the constant changes.
I talked about this the other day that college basketball
was unwatchable for twenty years and then about three years
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ago with the NIL and a lot of players staying
for one more year that would be second round picks
and all that NIL money buying. Europe's some of their
best twenty players college basketball the last two years, excellent
the draft this year the top three or four players
are all stars, all of them. So and here's the thing.
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What's happening with the NFL is that mobility is no
longer a luxury. It's a requirement. Because right now the
young offensive coaches are using motion double what they did
ten years ago. There's just more smart, clever offensive coaches.
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And I'm not saying you can run your way to
a super Bowl at quarterback. Lamar Jackson just struggled to
win games in the playoffs. But it's like how I
viewed college I would recommend sending your kids to college.
But the only thing in twenty twenty five guaranteed about
sending your kids to college, they'll come out of it
with massive college debt. AI the phone, Google. There is
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so much information out there now that you don't have
to sit through a college lecture and pay seventy four
thousand dollars a year to attain I still think it's
the place to go, but it's not the be all,
end all. And that's how I look about Caleb's completion percentage. Yeah,
i'd like him right now, he's like fifty nine and
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a half. I'd like him to get up to sixty
one and a half. But do you know the last
three quarterbacks to lead the NFL in completion percentage last
three years? Zero playoff wins, the days of Drew Brees,
no throw it downfield, a lot of motion, get out
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of the pocket. CJ. Stroud below average completion percentage last
two years, he's won playoff games. So I know it matters.
I understand that it matters to some degree. But we
were talking about this this morning as a staff is
that I remember when I was younger, high school and
college memorization was a really cool thing. I'd memorize the
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back of baseball cards. I'd memorize sports stats and then
google happened. Sorry, he'd take me thirty seconds. I'll find
the answer. So John Elway, he was ahead of the curve.
He won two Super Bowls. In both playoff runs, he
completed fifty five percent of his throws. So RG three
talked about this the other day. I would like k
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Live to get a little better, like sixty one percent,
but I'd be good there. I don't need sixty five percent.
Here's RG III.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Accuracy is a myth, all right. Accuracy to me is
always dependent upon where the defense is and what you're
trying to get the receiver to do. So where I
think his sixty one percent completion percentage comes from is
more so the fact that he is willing to take
more chances to have big plays occur, which drives down
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his completion percentage. Do you want a guy that's going
to be a checkdown Charlie. Do you want a guy
that is not going to take those risks deep down
the field because he's afraid to make mistakes.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I don't think that's who Caleb Williams is.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, I don't think he has. Listen, it's great that
Drake may can run and complete seventy one percent of
his throws at this point. Drake made's better than Kayleb Williams,
and nobody's disagreeing with that. But again, mobility is it's
not a luxury, it is a requirement. I mean, Jared
Goff that is that is old school now and he's
still in the prime of his career. That's old school.
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He didn't move. I mean Stafford really old school, all right,
j Mack. We got a lot of stuff today, college
football playoffs out. B Yu's not happy, Miami's really mad.
Belichick rumors, they're interesting. Belichick I do not but I
do not buy the Belichick stuff at all at all,
And I'll explain why. But you went to the Lakers
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Clippers last night? How was Luca?
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Luca was phenomenal. You know, I think he had twenty
four points in the first quarter. He really hates the Clippers, Yeah,
does not like them, dating back to his days in Dallas.
Was talking trash to them a lot. I noticed Kawhi Leonard.
I don't know if anybody caught this. He like didn't
play the final like six minutes. You know, weird close game.
Afterward he's talking about, well, we need more talent. We
got to get the right rotations in Clippers seemed to
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be falling apart at the scenes. Couldn't happen to a
nicer group of guys.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
Of the Clippers. Now, I do know some guys on
the coaching staff.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
I don't want them to lose their jobs, but yeah, kawhi,
James Harden feels like it's over.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah.
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Speaker 1 (10:45):
Here we go on a Wednesday, Thanksgiving Eve, Joel clad
five minutes blazing five, sixty percent on the nose this year.
If we could maintain that, there, very very happy, very
very happy. There's a lot to talk about with Joel Klatt.
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He doesn't like the Lane Kiffen manipulation of Old Miss.
And my take is always reputations in college football are
based on one thing. Are you available? Are you a
good coach? Two things? Are you available? Can you coach?
You'll get a job. It was Brian Kelly Ever in
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Charms School. He got the LSU gig. I mean it
felt so weird. You got it LSU Florida. Yeah, we'll
take that old Miss guy. I mean not like Lane.
Kevin had the best reputation and before LSU was interested,
lanecln coach. He's really good. It's an offensive sport. Now,
all right, here we go, sixteen percent in the year,
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blazing five on a Wednesday. Let's go shot.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
Let's blaze it up up. It's Collins Blazon fuck packers
at Lions. Listen to good teas tea. I'm gonna take
the home team on Thanksgiving. Historically, home teams do well.
Lions minus two and a half is my side. They've
won six other last eight against Green Bay. They match
up well, and since.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Dan Campbell took over play calling, Detroit leads the NFL
in the last three weeks in yards per play. It's
a different offense with Dan. Their defense generally pretty good
at home the Packers. Their three road wins have come
against Arizona, Pittsburgh and the Giants. Let's slow down, but
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here's more troubling, Jordan Love. Since Tucker Craft got hurt,
fewer than two hundred passing yards, the team's averaging nineteen points.
Two good teams. I'll take Detroit to win and cover
twenty eight to twenty four. Forty nine ers at Browns.
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I love this line. I'll take Cleveland plus six and
a half first of all, the Browns at home. Excellent
defense and probably the most underrated roster in the league.
Miles Garrett has thirteen sacks the last month. No other
player has more than thirteen the entire season. Good luck
Niners brought pretty multiple interceptions in four of his last
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five starts, and it's gonna be windy and snowy conditions.
He has struggled with ball security in crappy weather. I
also think this team is overly reliant on Christian McCaffrey.
How much gas does Christian have in the tank? I
think we saw enough from Shadur. I'm gonna take a
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close game either way. Let's say the Niners win late,
but I like the points. Twenty four to twenty. San
Francisco takes six and a half. Saint said Dolphins. I
actually really like the Dolphins here. They're coming off of buye.
They've won three out of their last four games. Credit
Mike McDaniel. They're playing hard. They're running the ball to
a back to back games over seventy percent completion percentage.
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Miami got rid of their GM. They didn't lose their fight,
they didn't lose their passion. The defense back to back
games has played well. I like Miami a lot in
this spot. New Orleans probably the worst offense in the league,
held under twenty points in six stra eight games. Again,
smart offensive coach at home off of by against a
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tire fire. I'm gonna take the Dolphins to win, and
the Miami Dolphins playing pretty darn well to cover. Thirty
three to twenty three.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
Cardinals said Buccaneers.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
The buck stops here. Tampa gets Bucky Irving and Chris
Godwin back officially for multiple snaps. I like Tampa to
win and cover. Listen, they're not playing well with the
average twenty seven a game at home, and you know
the losses were to Patriots, Bills, Rams. Those are good teams.
Bucky Irving's back, Chris Godwin played limited snaps last week.
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He's ready to go. And the Cardinals one in eight
since Week three. Arizona's got some quit in them. We're
scoring defense over the last three weeks. Not a lot
here to like. Buccaneers easier opponent at home, win and
cover the spread. I like Tampa twenty seven to twenty.
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Vikings at Seahawks the Lions. The line now is not
the best of the line nine and a half, ten
and a half. I'll take Seattle. They've out gained ten
straight opponents. They played like garbage in the second half. Defensively,
they still win last week against Tennessee fewest sacks allowed
on offense, so Brian Flores can blitz all he wants.
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They're a really high end offensive team with a force
most sacks in the league. They're at home of kind
of a cruddy defensive performance. The Vikings offense most turnovers
in the NFL. They're starting an undrafted rookie. They've been
held under twenty points in four of their last five games.
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There's nothing about Minnesota outside of their coaches that I
really like. Right now, Seattle is gonna win. It's in
the Pacific Northwest thirty to thirteen. Actually, and I don't
I shouldn't say this because twice this year I didn't
love the numbers and went four and one. Like I
like my picks, Lions, Dolphins, Seattle and Tampa as favorites.
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I'm gonna take Cleveland plus the points. J Max Grimacing
will find his picks in about two hours. His picks
in two hours. Joel Klatt will be calling Ohio State
and Michigan Saturday at newt Eastern on Fox. So last year,
even though I really admire Ryan Day and like him
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a lot, I think he's a great football coach. I
did think he outthought the room. I think he'd been
pushed around by Michigan and in the Midwest there's a
different kind of stylistic approach, and he's like, we're gonna
punch Michigan in the mouth, and it's like throw the ball.
You got great players just just play your game. And
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I think he played Michigan's game, you know, fooled around,
played with his food a little bit, and it caught him.
They got a little tight late. I think if at
least Carnell Tate can play, I think Ohio State is
the significantly better team here. Do you believe that?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Well?
Speaker 9 (17:22):
I mean, yes, they're the better team, and that's why
the spread is where it was. But they were I
would think better by a wider margin a year ago.
I mean, they were twenty point favorites a year ago.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
You know.
Speaker 9 (17:36):
So to your point, they got sucked into a game
that was Michigan's game. I firmly believe. I think Will
Howard got banged up early in that game last year.
I firmly believe that that Ryan and his coaching staff
felt like a field goal would win the game because
they didn't feel like Michigan, with their quarterback play, was
going to be able to score on their defense.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
And so here's Ohio State.
Speaker 9 (17:56):
They get into the red zone five times last year
and come away with ten total points.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
That was the game.
Speaker 9 (18:01):
Two missfield goals and interception in the red zone. So
those mistakes are what ultimately cost them the game, and
they could have played the exact same style.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Now, I think.
Speaker 9 (18:10):
What they learned from that was what they then put
into action for the playoff. And Colin, you and I
both know that that Buckeye team in the playoff was
a different team and they were aggressive down the field.
You look at what they did early in that game
against Tennessee at home in the first round. They took
shots to Jeremiah Smith. They used Smith early and often
against Oregon where they were routing them in the first
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half of that Rose Bowl. And those are the lessons
that I think need to come into play this week
for Ohio State. Be themselves, attack, attack, down the field,
and obviously the health of those wide receivers is a
bit in question. I remain optimistic that they'll both be
on the field. I think their effectiveness is more the
question than their availability.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I think Smith will be on the field. I think
Tate will be on the field.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
But are they one hundred percent Can they attack those
safeties of Michigan down the field and cause them some
level of threat. I think that's really where the game
is won and loss for Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
So listen, I think Notre Dame is better than Miami now,
and I think college football is about thirty to thirty
five percent NFL now. September just doesn't matter like it
used to. I said this before the Ohio State Texas game.
If it's close, I don't care who wins. I said
it about Oregon Ohio State the year before. If it's close,
it doesn't matter. They've scheduled it. I'm proud of both
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schools for scheduling it. You step up to the table.
I love that. My biggest knock on college football has
always been a lack of people willing to play, you know,
go to Columbus out of conference, or go to normand Oklahoma.
So like my feeling is Notre Dame is better than
Mission Miami today, and ugly losses are really that's one
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thing that usually the people on these tables and these
boards get right. You can't lose to unranked teams if
you're a top five to ten team. So I'm okay
with a much improved team by an inch better than Miami.
Miami still has to be pitt But I know you
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are probably bothered deeply about the current rankings that has
Notre Dame over.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
I'm not bothered. I think listen. I think that two
things can be true a once. You know, if the
committee's objective is just to give us the best teams,
and they ask themselves in the room, who wins on
a neutral site this week, yeah, I'd pick Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
You know.
Speaker 9 (20:25):
So, like in that respect, do I disagree with the ranking. No,
But the committee is setting themselves up for a bit
of a trap, and that trap is the head to
head match up against Miami. Because if we're not honoring
games on the field, then what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
You know?
Speaker 9 (20:40):
Then why are we playing them? Then let's just sit
there and have a beauty pageant and and look at
the recruiting rankings and you know, look at the the
rosters and the way that they're constructed and how many
stars each year.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
You know.
Speaker 9 (20:52):
So I don't want to get into a beauty pageant either.
There's also another trap that this committee is falling into,
and it's not honoring those non conference games that you
just talked about. Now, I do want to clarify just
something really quickly, because the Miami Notre Dame game is
part of the ACC scheduling agreement that Notre Dame has,
So that's a little bit out of their control. What
I would say is more impressive is that they also
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scheduled Texas A and m Well, you've got this team
in Michigan that's sitting there at fifteen and they're in
like the bottom of the two loss teams, and yet
one of their losses is at Oklahoma. They scheduled that game,
did not buy out of that game, and played it,
and the committee is not honoring that right now.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I see.
Speaker 9 (21:31):
I think that they should view Michigan's resume more favorably
because of that non conference matchup against Oklahoma. So the
trap that the committee is setting themselves right now is
if they're just going to go by eye test and say, well,
who wins on a neutral site, you know, this weekend,
then they're not going to honor head to head and
they're also going to devalue non conference blue blood opponents,
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which is bad for the sport moving forward.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Totally agree.
Speaker 9 (21:55):
It's a tough It's a tough position because again I
don't disagree with the ranking, but it also speaks to
kind of the brokenness of the nature of this thing.
I don't think that we should have a selection based playoff.
I think we should have an access based playoff, so
we can remove some of this ambiguity and the problems
that exist in trying to place and ranked teams in
this fashion.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
So I try not to be a hypocrite. And in
my career as America's honesty broker, I have bounced around
the country for better jobs. Okay, So I'm not going
to be a hypocrite when somebody is highly mobile in
their career. So everybody's like, hey, Lane Kiffin is going
to tarnish his reputation. His reputation has always been you
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have a job, I'll travel. You can fire me in
a tarmac. I'll leave you on one.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I mean he was fired on a tarmac.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yes, So my take is Brian Kelly never went to
charm school. LSU was like, he's available, let's go get him.
College football has become more NFL. It's cutthroat. LSU was like,
what do we care about Old Miss? He's the best
coach of the country. I don't think it hurt Exlaine Kiffin.
I feel bad for Old Miss because I really do
think I don't think they're as good as Ohio State.
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I think they could beat Oregon. I think they could
beat Georgia. I think they could beat Indiana maybe, so
I'm more bothered that I selfishly I want to see
Old Miss in the playoff with Kiffin because I think
they can beat everybody except Ohio State. That's my problem,
not the somebody wants me. I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
So there's like, I think eight things that you just
said that I disagree with. I'm trying to remember all
of them. Let me try my best. First of all,
let me ask you a question. In all of your movement,
and you did. You've moved around, You've worked at multiple
networks and done different things, and more power to you.
That agency is great for you and your family, and
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I don't begrudge that. Yeah, at any point, did you
leave in the middle of a contract?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I left early, and uh yeah, six months early. I
also started negotiating with another company, two companies, nine months
before I was allowed to.
Speaker 9 (24:07):
Okay, So you're just revealing your character to all of
America here. I would I would say I would say
this about Lane. Lane has been given a lot of
cover and I like Lane, and he's very good for
college football. He's great for college football. Yes, and Colin
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he is a very good coach. He's not one of
the best coaches in America. Though he has not been
to a playoff. He happens to be a big fish
right now in a small pond, and it's advantageous for
him because of that. There's big jobs open and a
really weak class of coaches or pool of coaches.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
That are candidates.
Speaker 9 (24:50):
Part of the reason why there is a weak pool
of candidates is because there are other coaches that are
unwilling to do what Lane is doing, which is leave
a team in the middle of a playoff run. That
cannot be overstated. You see, he's wanting to lament and
those that run cover for him, you know, want to
lament the calendar. And while they are correct, the calendar
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is clearly broken in college football. We do thirty minutes
on the calendar right here. I agree with that take.
The problem is is that it's the same calendar for
Dan Lanning at Oregon. It's the same calendar for Kurt
Signetti at Indiana, and Mike Elko at Texas A and
m and Rhet Lashley at SMU, and yet they with
their agency, chose to stay where they're at okay and
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stay within their playoff run. And you could make a
strong argument that Rhet Lashley and Kurt Signetti could be
looking at their spots Indiana and SMU and think to themselves,
I'll tell you what, Grass is probably greener at Florida
or LSU. Meanwhile, Lane has turned Ole Miss into a
premiere program in the SEC. I would make the argument
he doesn't have to leave. This is not college football
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of ten years ago where you have to be at
one of three or four places in order to.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Compete for and win a national championship.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
That's fair.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
He doesn't have to leave.
Speaker 9 (26:03):
And my last point would just be as a coach,
when you stand in front of your players, your currency
is your credibility, and your credibility with those players is
tied directly to your character. The only thing they care
about is how much you care about them. And if
he does this and he leaves, which it looks like
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he's going to it looks like he's going to LSU,
he will destroy his credibility in front of what team
that he stands in front of. Can he say like, hey,
commit to me and choose you know, lay down yourself
and let's commit to something bigger than ourselves and let's
go achieve something great in the back of their minds
are going to be like, well, what if something better
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pops up for you, Lane, what the Dallas Cowboys call?
Are you going to leave us in the middle of
a playoff run? Because he's the play caller at Ole Miss.
He decimates that program and that offense and their opportunity
to win at the top level if he leaves. So
that's all I would say is listen. I like Lane,
I think he's great for this sport. But this excuse
that the calendar is forcing him into this decision is wrong.
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The calendar is the same for all the other coaches
in the country which have said that they will stay
and committed to the places that they've been in. He's
doing a disservice to the players he's coaching now currently,
and I feel bad for him. My only disagreement there
is you say coaches standing in front of players and
asks for commitment. Now, in twenty twenty five, coaches stand
in front of players with envelopes full of cash and
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hand it to them, because that's what the sport is.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
It has become more transactional.
Speaker 9 (27:31):
I will give you that, and this is not an
easy scenario.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I will give you that.
Speaker 9 (27:37):
But at the end of the day. You know, he's
the one that has to stand and look in front
of the mirror. And if he does this, by the way,
he will be authoring one of what was now the
five messiest exits in football coaching history. Al Davis with
the overhead projector Tennessee leaves in the middle of the night,
they riot their burning couches, throwing them outside of the balconies.
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Mack at USC. Remember Nick Saban didn't want to deal
with Lane waftling back and forth about the FA you job,
so he said beat it before the National Championship game.
Didn't even let him call plays in the National Championship Game.
So I don't like this has been a trend for him.
Yeah no, no, it's listen.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I've said I I wouldn't do all this stuff. I uh,
you know, I even have friends at the old place.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I don't like sloppy exits. I don't like it, but
I think college football needs to create I mean, you
can't go rob the chiefs of Andy Reid during the playoffs.
College football has needed a bizarre oh yeahs.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
And that's why I started with that. Like, I agree,
the calendar has broken. We need to fix that. There's
no doubt. I just don't want that to run cover
for what I feel like is a poor decision. Okay,
so let me defend Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
First.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
If he beats UCLA and wins a bowl game, they
go eleven and three, losing. Two of their three losses
are at Notre Dame of at Oregon. I'm sorry, but
that's not a bad season. When they return almost all
of their top players. I mean, they really have a
good recruiting class. They're all line, their D line come back.
If they beat UCLA should and if they win a
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bowl game over a whoever, Utah, something like that. The
downside is I think I can also say this four
years in, when they play the best teams, the special
teams are often a disaster and the defense is mid
and I'm being kind with mid. What are they? And
I just think four years in, Yeah, the offense was
(29:37):
clever with Lincoln the first day was there. That's never changed.
But the defense and special teams in big games feels
below average. What are they?
Speaker 9 (29:46):
Is that a fair criticism? I think it's totally fair.
I think that they're better than what they were last year.
Certainly they've gone from losing those close games to winning
a lot of those close games.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
But at the top end.
Speaker 9 (29:58):
They're not competing like you hope they would compete when
they face a team like Notre Dame or Oregon, you know,
and I think they would lamit not closing out that
Illinois game, which they had the lead late in that
Illinois game on the road and they couldn't stop the
They couldn't stop the run in that game. They've got
to get better, more physical, and more stout in the
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middle of their defense. The defensive line is young and
will be better next year. They're very good. I think
in the coming years on the defensive line, they've got
to get better at linebacker and more stout.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Ye.
Speaker 9 (30:32):
Actually, that is a in an area of weakness that it
has to turn around now with this number one recruiting
class that they've got. I do still believe that that's
an upward trajectory. They couldn't get to eleven wins. I
don't believe they can get to nine. Potentially in the
regular season, they could go nine to three and then
maybe a tenth to win into the bowl game.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, my bad, I said eleven. It's ten.
Speaker 9 (30:50):
I mean, but ten wins, to your point, like, that's
a huge mark of demarcation in college football. That still
means something and certainly would mean progress at USC in
particular with the class that they've got coming in next year.
So I still believe that they're on an upward trajectory,
but there are clear areas where if they don't fix
then this will continue to happen. If they don't if
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they don't fix the interior of their defense, in particular
at linebacker, this will continue to happen because those teams
that they're playing, the Michigan's, the Ohio I know they
beat Michigan, but Ohio State of the world, the Oregons
of the world, those teams are elite and will be
elite every single year.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, all right, good stuff. We always just listen. I
know you can't make predictions. I think Ohio State thirty
to thirteen. And I think if as long as one
of them can play, one of their great receivers can play,
I think this defense. I love Underwood, I love marsh
and I you know I was a big hardball guy,
(31:48):
but boy this I'm telling you right now that Julian
sand doesn't make mistakes, doesn't and that defense is that
is a top five college defense. You can go back
to Steve Batman and Washington Saban had a defense.
Speaker 9 (32:01):
In twenty eleven. They were great in twenty eleven. Yeah,
my Georgia and twenty one was exceptional. You know this
is an all time defense.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I can't wait and I can't wait either.
Speaker 9 (32:13):
And by the way, it's supposed to be just like
prototypical weather, thirty with snow flurries.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Hey, by the way, I just want to make it clear,
just because I left the other place early, I've changed.
I am now only committed to Fox. iHeart and Joel Klatt.
Oh that was the old.
Speaker 9 (32:34):
No, No, I disagree. I see you out there. You
got other college football guys that you've got on whatever
you're doing everywhere else. And I'm like, okay, I feel
you know, I feel a little cheated on Colin. I'll
be honest. But that's all right, that's all right. I
know I disagree. I can be disagreeable at times.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
It's my favorite part of you actually have a great
have a great time. I can't wait to watch.
Speaker 9 (32:58):
Yeah, happy thanksgiving you your whole staff, everybody listening.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I hope you guys have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I mean it is. I mean, I get, I get Michigan,
Ohio State in ann Arbor. It's just I mean, you know, rivalries,
there's not that. I mean, the NFL is not a
rival re sport. I mean Kansas City Buffalo feels like something.
But that's kind of quarterback led I mean ten years ago, Baltimore, Pittsburgh,
I don't care. I mean Baseball Giants, Dodgers, nobody cares.
(33:27):
Dodgers are global Dodgers. Yankees feels big. Michigan Ohio State
that is. That is goosebump stuff. That is. I'm gonna
turn the the air conditioning up at my house and
put a jacket on so I feel like I'm there.
(33:49):
I'm gonna turn the temperature down to my house like
forty one degrees. I don't care if the dogs are upset,
and I'm gonna wear I'm gonna wear a hoodie and
just to feel like I there.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
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Speaker 7 (34:06):
Thanksgiving Day Fox.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Is serving up a classic NSC North rivalry as Jordan
Love and the Packers take on Jared Goff and the Lions.
Coverage begins at eleven am Eastern with the pregame show
live on location from Detroit.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
Thanksgiving Day on Fox.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
NFL has always been to me the sport of hope.
It takes a long time to go from a terrible
baseball team to a World Series team. But in the
NFL you can be the New England Patriots, like a
hazmat spill. You get Drake May, you get Mike Rabel,
Josh mcdowne, McCown and Josh McDaniel excuse me, and all
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of a sudden you're the number one seed. It's the
sport of hope. You get the head coach, the coordinator,
and the quarterback right and you are suddenly a Super
Bowl contender. But it's all centered. College football is about
the coat. Pro football is about the quarterback, and we've
got a lot of young quarterbacks. Thanksgivings tomorrow. They all
(35:07):
start Week one in the NFL as rookies at the
kids table till they graduate to the Stafford table, or
they graduate to the Justin Herbert or the Patrick Mahomes
Josh Allen table. So jmack, let's determine kids table or
adult table for these young signal callers.
Speaker 7 (35:26):
All right, Colin, are you ready for this? Here we go?
Speaker 6 (35:28):
Will it be the kids table or the big quarterback table?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
For Drake Nate he has already pivoted to the big
quarterback table. Listen, He's better than even people who liked
him thought. Leaves the NFL in completion percentage at a
remarkable seventy one percent best record in the NFL, already
has well over three thousand yards right now, he feels
(35:53):
like a top six to seven quarterback today in the league. Durable, big, accurate, winning,
crowning him.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Okay, I like it, all right, Kids table or big
quarterback table?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
For Jackson Dart, He's still at the kids table. Jmack
in eight games, he's checked into the blue tent four times.
He's already you know. He leads quarterbacks in Russia attempts,
which I am a fan of young quarterbacks using their
athletic ability and feet to move the chains as they grow.
(36:27):
But right now from the pocket, still have my doubts.
He's a risk taker. He moves well, a lot of confidence,
probably one more thanksgiving from moving, you know, to a
glass of wine.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
All right, Well, this one's going to divide the audience.
Kids table or big Quarterback table for your guy, Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
He's at the Big Boy t come four and zero
in November. One of three quarterbacks with thirty touchdown passes
and ten or fewer interceptions over the last two years.
You want to hear the other ones, Stafford Lamar and
your guy Jalen Hurtz. Caleb Williams is comfortably sitting next
(37:06):
to grandpa.
Speaker 7 (37:07):
Oh my god, that is troubling.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Kids table or Big Quarterback table for Bownicks your other
best friend, Come.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
On, adult table. Not even enough? I mean nine total
touchdowns in the fourth quarter, ranked second in the league,
leads the NFL with eight game winning drive last two seasons,
top ten and wins, passing yards, touchdown passes. I mean,
(37:36):
come on, he is okay, he's getting the leg.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
You're the teaser, you're the teacher. I wish I had
in like eleventh grade biology. Kid's table or big Quarterback
table for Bryce.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Young two inconsistent. I'm sorry you watched it Monday. He's
shrank in a big spot. I'm sorry. He's a great kid.
But you very early on you were like, you were like,
he doesn't look the part ninety or worst passer rating
in nine of his eleven starts, and I like his
coach and Rico Daddell. He's got a couple of young,
(38:07):
but very talented wide receivers. Their defense is better, but
he is twelve and twenty seven since he entered the league.
Kid's table not great.
Speaker 7 (38:16):
We should probably skip this one, but we'll do it anyway.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Kid's table or Big Quarterback Table for JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Well in the second and third quarters this year, he
has a twenty seven passer rating, so I don't even
want to be mean kids table. In fact, the other kids,
the other kids let him go first and pick Oh
he's struggling. Hey, I feel bad for the kid. He's struggling.
Speaker 7 (38:35):
It's early.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
He'll re'll turn it around. Kid's table or Big Quarterback
table for cam Ward.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I'm gonna put him at the big boy table. I
think he's I think he's really talented. He's not getting
any help. He's the most sack quarterback they fired. Their coach.
Reminds me a lot of a less talented Chicago Bear
mess last year. The Bears had more players. I think
I think cam Ward's good. Like last weekend, finally coming around.
But last year Caleb, everybody said he was terrible. Twenty touchdown,
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six picks. This was a multiple touchdown game against the Seahawks. Ran.
He's growing on me. Now. I'm not saying he gets
the stuffing last. He's not getting the mashed potatoes first
at the adult table. But I'm gonna put him there.
I think he's I see, I see some potential startup.
Speaker 7 (39:24):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
Finally kid's table or big quarterback table for Sineur Sanders, neither.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
We're putting him at a new table, the legendary table.
Every quarter of that? Is it a height news legendary?
Hey led the NFL last week? Yards per a.
Speaker 7 (39:52):
Temp wow last week?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
You know what? I took some u some of the
motif on his draft room legendary moved it over to Thanksgiving.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
Did you just use motif on a sports show? Oh
my gosh, coward in is bag here.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
Listen the Chad, the Chadueur five online is coming after
you for this.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Damn, I will say this. He did you know my
rule on quarterbacks? If your college problem is your NFL problem,
you're in trouble. Johnny Manziel ran around too much. You
watched them in the pros. You're like, yeah, yeah, that
that stuff is not gonna work. Uh. If Caleb Williams
struggled with accuracy struggles in the NFL, it's my only
(40:33):
criticism of him. Gotta be a little bit more accurate.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
Yeah, does the legendary table eat before the kids table?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Or no? You know it's it's somewhere in between.
Speaker 7 (40:41):
Okay, all right, all right?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
You could they do serve wine at the legendary table?
Speaker 7 (40:46):
Oh really wine?
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Not at the kids table? Okay, okay, all right. But
here's what I'd say about Shadoor Sanders. The opposite is
also true. When I watched him last week, I saw
Colorado Chadueur and I thought Colorado Shoulder was a mid
first mid second round pick. He moves better than anybody
gives him credit for. Stop saying he's a pocket quarterback.
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He has a couple spin moves. He moves. He's not
as quick to me as like a bow Nicks. He's
not quite that twitchy. But he's a good athlete. He
has a average to average plus arm. By the way,
on the deep throws accurate and it does help. I
will say this. I know in Cleveland everybody's banging on Stefanski.
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But one of the things J Mack, that you and
I can't argue about. It has been a clear advantage
to have an offensive coach if you're a rookie, Yeh
bow Knicks, Caleb Williams, Okay Raheem Morris. That's who Mike
Pennix gets right now, you can Yeah, how.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
Cole Penix is it? He's not even invited.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
To thanks He's hurt. He's hurt. I don't know what
to do with that.
Speaker 7 (41:51):
So I need to ask you.
Speaker 6 (41:52):
So Bryce Young, who's in you know, multiple years in
the league, couldn't do anything against the Robert solid defense.
Speaker 7 (41:58):
If Shaduur goes out and has a passable.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
Game against Salah and the Niners, that then there's she's
really gonna freak out. People are gonna be like, this
is your starter next year, So just be ready for that.
Speaker 7 (42:07):
Because Sunday, the slate is not great.
Speaker 6 (42:09):
All the good teams are fired on Thanksgiving Day, So
Chadour could have a game against Salah at home. It's
inclement weather, so maybe that's uh, maybe that'll throw a
wrinkle in that.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
But yeah, I think I think I feel like some
of the Chadur stuff is a little bit like Tibau.
People are talking about conspiracy theories. He's got a very
fanatical you know following. It's very tribal. The difference is,
I think Shador throws an NFL ball. I think I
think Tebow was always a little bit in terms of
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athletic ability, a little overstated. I think Shador's athletic ability
is understated. And the aird thing about Shadur that I like,
I think he's too goofy and playful for me. I
wish he was a little more serious.
Speaker 7 (42:51):
He's what is he twenty three years old?
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Oh but we've always said it's not fair, but I
do need my cornerbacks to be grown ups. I don't
need I don't care about any enterprison. There are certain
things in life. If you're working in the ICU in
a hospital and you're twenty four, you can't be at
senior froggies the night before knocking down twelve tequilas. I
need you to be a grown up. There are pilot
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you can't be out at the bar night before if
you're a twenty five year old pilot, pilot, surgeons, quarterbacks.
I'm sorry it's unfair you have to be more mature.
That's part of it, right, Surgeon, pilot, quarterback, you have
to be a different twenty four.
Speaker 6 (43:30):
The two occupations that literally save lives, and then a
quarterback who throws a pig skin.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah yeah, okay, god.
Speaker 7 (43:36):
It makes sense.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Another one of my analogies that nailed it.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh, it is Wednesday. It is thanks Giving Eve. Joel Klatt,
Greg Cosell Blazing five. Yeah, Thanksgiving, Blazing five. In one hour,
we are live a little chili today in Chicago, perfect
winter football weather. It is the Herd wherever you may
(00:49):
be and however you may be listening. So tomorrow Lion's
Host of Packers That'll make the Blazing five Kansas City
at Dallas make had forty five million viewers. That's at
four thirty Eastern. And I was thinking about this this morning. Actually,
(01:09):
it's the first time in a long time that I'd
rather talk about the Cowboys on field product. It's actually underrated.
In previous years, we talked about Mike McCarthy's job security,
Micah Parsons podcast, Dak's contract no Cowboys offense number one
in the NFL. The on field product, it's good. Devonte Williams,
(01:34):
top ten running back, Dak PFF's number two quarterback, two
star receivers, one of the top third down offenses. The
offensive line is young, getting better, has surrendered the fourth
view ast sacks. One of the better three and out teams,
fifth Sewest.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Good thing about that. And with a new kickoff rule
and the field goal range of Brandon Aubrey, they're like
two twelve yard plays from points. They're scoring on almost
half of their drives. Add this to the best two
minute offense in the league. Add this, knew the best
quarterback in the league against the Blitz. It's not Matt Stafford.
(02:16):
It's not Josh Allen, it's not Patrick Mahomes, it's not
Jared Goff, it's not Lamar Jackson. It's Dak Prescott. Great
against the Blitz. Top three in pressures running the ball,
two star receivers, best field goal kicker in the sport.
Made aggressive trades to solve their defense. Their defense was
(02:41):
the second worst in the league. Then they made those
Kenny Clark Quinn Williams deals. You know, the last two weeks.
It's the seventh best defense, and go ask Philadelphia. You
can't run on them. For years, I was a cowboy critic,
and there's a lot of people in my business that
you know, they'll hammer Dallas because they know it gets clicked.
I hammered Dallas because I thought they were poorly run.
(03:03):
But you can't hammer them now, and they may not
beat Kansas City tomorrow. For two first round picks, aggressive trades.
Number one offense in the NFL, best two minute drill,
best against the Blitz, top ten run game, offensive line,
not great in pass protection, but emerging is a much
(03:25):
better run offensive line.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I know.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I didn't think shot number is gonna work. I thought
it was a week week higher. It's the best I've
seen dak in a long time. So Kansas City probably
the better team. Home teams do very well on Thanksgiving
either way. I think Dallas against Kansas City tomorrow it's
a real game, and I would not have said that
a year ago. Right, last five years, how many times
(03:53):
Kansas City Dallas and you think you know Dallas could
win this thing. Well, Dallas's offense right now is a
lot better than can the cities, and it's not particularly close.
Here's dak On facing the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
We got to win every game at this point, and
the Philly game doesn't mean anything right now. Nothing that's
happened up to this point really means anything other than
it's put us in the position to be must win games.
We've got the guys, we've got the plan, we've got
the process intact, and we're gonna give it our best
and feel very confident in us.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So, speaking of quarterback, the Bears toughest game of the
year at Philadelphia Eagles off a loss, will be in
a surly mood. This is something I've given a lot
of thought, and I talked about it for about a
minute ninety seconds yesterday at the end of the show.
There's a lot of criticism from people on the internet
that don't like the fact that, like Caleb Williams is
(04:50):
completing like fifty nine and a half percent of his throws.
And I've always said, like the line is sixty two
and a half minimum. So this year, you can look
at some of these stats on a passer rating, It's
completion percentage is very low. Here's some other numbers. Four
to no in November, eight touchdowns, no picks, and the
(05:11):
Bears are the only team in the NFL to average
thirty points a game and four hundred total yards in November.
I like those numbers. But here's the thing. What's happening,
And this is why I give this so much thought,
and this is my favorite part about sports, the constant changes.
I talked about this the other day that college basketball
was unwatchable for twenty years and then about three years
(05:31):
ago with the NIL and a lot of players staying
for one more year that would be second round picks
and all that NIL money buying. Europe's some of their
best twenty players college basketball the last two years, excellent
the draft this year the top three or four players
are all stars, all of them. So and here's the thing.
(05:53):
What's happening with the NFL is that mobility is no
longer a luxury. It's a requirement. Because right now the
young offensive coaches are using motion double what they did
ten years ago. There's just more smart, clever offensive coaches.
(06:13):
And I'm not saying you can run your way to
a super Bowl at quarterback. Lamar Jackson just struggled to
win games in the playoffs. But it's like how I
viewed college I would recommend sending your kids to college.
But the only thing in twenty twenty five guaranteed about
sending your kids to college, they'll come out of it
with massive college debt. AI the phone, Google. There is
(06:36):
so much information out there now that you don't have
to sit through a college lecture and pay seventy four
thousand dollars a year to attain I still think it's
the place to go, but it's not the be all,
end all. And that's how I look about Caleb's completion percentage. Yeah,
i'd like him right now, he's like fifty nine and
(06:56):
a half. I'd like him to get up to sixty
one and a half. But do you know the last
three quarterbacks to lead the NFL in completion percentage last
three years? Zero playoff wins, the days of Drew Brees,
no throw it downfield, a lot of motion, get out
(07:18):
of the pocket. CJ. Stroud below average completion percentage last
two years, he's won playoff games. So I know it matters.
I understand that it matters to some degree. But we
were talking about this this morning as a staff is
that I remember when I was younger, high school and
college memorization was a really cool thing. I'd memorize the
(07:38):
back of baseball cards. I'd memorize sports stats and then
google happened. Sorry, he'd take me thirty seconds. I'll find
the answer. So John Elway, he was ahead of the curve.
He won two Super Bowls. In both playoff runs, he
completed fifty five percent of his throws. So RG three
talked about this the other day. I would like k
(08:00):
Live to get a little better, like sixty one percent,
but I'd be good there. I don't need sixty five percent.
Here's RG III.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Accuracy is a myth, all right. Accuracy to me is
always dependent upon where the defense is and what you're
trying to get the receiver to do. So where I
think his sixty one percent completion percentage comes from is
more so the fact that he is willing to take
more chances to have big plays occur, which drives down
(08:29):
his completion percentage. Do you want a guy that's going
to be a checkdown Charlie. Do you want a guy
that is not going to take those risks deep down
the field because he's afraid to make mistakes.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I don't think that's who Caleb Williams is.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, I don't think he has. Listen, it's great that
Drake may can run and complete seventy one percent of
his throws at this point. Drake made's better than Kayleb Williams,
and nobody's disagreeing with that. But again, mobility is it's
not a luxury, it is a requirement. I mean, Jared
Goff that is that is old school now and he's
still in the prime of his career. That's old school.
(09:04):
He didn't move. I mean Stafford really old school, all right,
j Mack. We got a lot of stuff today, college
football playoffs out. B Yu's not happy, Miami's really mad.
Belichick rumors, they're interesting. Belichick I do not but I
do not buy the Belichick stuff at all at all,
And I'll explain why. But you went to the Lakers
(09:25):
Clippers last night? How was Luca?
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Luca was phenomenal. You know, I think he had twenty
four points in the first quarter. He really hates the Clippers, Yeah,
does not like them, dating back to his days in Dallas.
Was talking trash to them a lot. I noticed Kawhi Leonard.
I don't know if anybody caught this. He like didn't
play the final like six minutes. You know, weird close game.
Afterward he's talking about, well, we need more talent. We
got to get the right rotations in Clippers seemed to
(09:48):
be falling apart at the scenes. Couldn't happen to a
nicer group of guys.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
Of the Clippers. Now, I do know some guys on
the coaching staff.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
I don't want them to lose their jobs, but yeah, kawhi,
James Harden feels like it's over.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah.
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Speaker 1 (10:45):
Here we go on a Wednesday, Thanksgiving Eve, Joel clad
five minutes blazing five, sixty percent on the nose this year.
If we could maintain that, there, very very happy, very
very happy. There's a lot to talk about with Joel Klatt.
(11:06):
He doesn't like the Lane Kiffen manipulation of Old Miss.
And my take is always reputations in college football are
based on one thing. Are you available? Are you a
good coach? Two things? Are you available? Can you coach?
You'll get a job. It was Brian Kelly Ever in
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Charms School. He got the LSU gig. I mean it
felt so weird. You got it LSU Florida. Yeah, we'll
take that old Miss guy. I mean not like Lane.
Kevin had the best reputation and before LSU was interested,
lanecln coach. He's really good. It's an offensive sport. Now,
all right, here we go, sixteen percent in the year,
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blazing five on a Wednesday. Let's go shot.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
Let's blaze it up up. It's Collins Blazon fuck packers
at Lions. Listen to good teas tea. I'm gonna take
the home team on Thanksgiving. Historically, home teams do well.
Lions minus two and a half is my side. They've
won six other last eight against Green Bay. They match
up well, and since.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Dan Campbell took over play calling, Detroit leads the NFL
in the last three weeks in yards per play. It's
a different offense with Dan. Their defense generally pretty good
at home the Packers. Their three road wins have come
against Arizona, Pittsburgh and the Giants. Let's slow down, but
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here's more troubling, Jordan Love. Since Tucker Craft got hurt,
fewer than two hundred passing yards, the team's averaging nineteen points.
Two good teams. I'll take Detroit to win and cover
twenty eight to twenty four. Forty nine ers at Browns.
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I love this line. I'll take Cleveland plus six and
a half first of all, the Browns at home. Excellent
defense and probably the most underrated roster in the league.
Miles Garrett has thirteen sacks the last month. No other
player has more than thirteen the entire season. Good luck
Niners brought pretty multiple interceptions in four of his last
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five starts, and it's gonna be windy and snowy conditions.
He has struggled with ball security in crappy weather. I
also think this team is overly reliant on Christian McCaffrey.
How much gas does Christian have in the tank? I
think we saw enough from Shadur. I'm gonna take a
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close game either way. Let's say the Niners win late,
but I like the points. Twenty four to twenty. San
Francisco takes six and a half. Saint said Dolphins. I
actually really like the Dolphins here. They're coming off of buye.
They've won three out of their last four games. Credit
Mike McDaniel. They're playing hard. They're running the ball to
a back to back games over seventy percent completion percentage.
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Miami got rid of their GM. They didn't lose their fight,
they didn't lose their passion. The defense back to back
games has played well. I like Miami a lot in
this spot. New Orleans probably the worst offense in the league,
held under twenty points in six stra eight games. Again,
smart offensive coach at home off of by against a
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tire fire. I'm gonna take the Dolphins to win, and
the Miami Dolphins playing pretty darn well to cover. Thirty
three to twenty three.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
Cardinals said Buccaneers.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
The buck stops here. Tampa gets Bucky Irving and Chris
Godwin back officially for multiple snaps. I like Tampa to
win and cover. Listen, they're not playing well with the
average twenty seven a game at home, and you know
the losses were to Patriots, Bills, Rams. Those are good teams.
Bucky Irving's back, Chris Godwin played limited snaps last week.
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He's ready to go. And the Cardinals one in eight
since Week three. Arizona's got some quit in them. We're
scoring defense over the last three weeks. Not a lot
here to like. Buccaneers easier opponent at home, win and
cover the spread. I like Tampa twenty seven to twenty.
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Vikings at Seahawks the Lions. The line now is not
the best of the line nine and a half, ten
and a half. I'll take Seattle. They've out gained ten
straight opponents. They played like garbage in the second half. Defensively,
they still win last week against Tennessee fewest sacks allowed
on offense, so Brian Flores can blitz all he wants.
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They're a really high end offensive team with a force
most sacks in the league. They're at home of kind
of a cruddy defensive performance. The Vikings offense most turnovers
in the NFL. They're starting an undrafted rookie. They've been
held under twenty points in four of their last five games.
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There's nothing about Minnesota outside of their coaches that I
really like. Right now, Seattle is gonna win. It's in
the Pacific Northwest thirty to thirteen. Actually, and I don't
I shouldn't say this because twice this year I didn't
love the numbers and went four and one. Like I
like my picks, Lions, Dolphins, Seattle and Tampa as favorites.
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I'm gonna take Cleveland plus the points. J Max Grimacing
will find his picks in about two hours. His picks
in two hours. Joel Klatt will be calling Ohio State
and Michigan Saturday at newt Eastern on Fox. So last year,
even though I really admire Ryan Day and like him
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a lot, I think he's a great football coach. I
did think he outthought the room. I think he'd been
pushed around by Michigan and in the Midwest there's a
different kind of stylistic approach, and he's like, we're gonna
punch Michigan in the mouth, and it's like throw the ball.
You got great players just just play your game. And
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I think he played Michigan's game, you know, fooled around,
played with his food a little bit, and it caught him.
They got a little tight late. I think if at
least Carnell Tate can play, I think Ohio State is
the significantly better team here. Do you believe that?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Well?
Speaker 9 (17:22):
I mean, yes, they're the better team, and that's why
the spread is where it was. But they were I
would think better by a wider margin a year ago.
I mean, they were twenty point favorites a year ago.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
You know.
Speaker 9 (17:36):
So to your point, they got sucked into a game
that was Michigan's game. I firmly believe. I think Will
Howard got banged up early in that game last year.
I firmly believe that that Ryan and his coaching staff
felt like a field goal would win the game because
they didn't feel like Michigan, with their quarterback play, was
going to be able to score on their defense.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
And so here's Ohio State.
Speaker 9 (17:56):
They get into the red zone five times last year
and come away with ten total points.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
That was the game.
Speaker 9 (18:01):
Two missfield goals and interception in the red zone. So
those mistakes are what ultimately cost them the game, and
they could have played the exact same style.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Now, I think.
Speaker 9 (18:10):
What they learned from that was what they then put
into action for the playoff. And Colin, you and I
both know that that Buckeye team in the playoff was
a different team and they were aggressive down the field.
You look at what they did early in that game
against Tennessee at home in the first round. They took
shots to Jeremiah Smith. They used Smith early and often
against Oregon where they were routing them in the first
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half of that Rose Bowl. And those are the lessons
that I think need to come into play this week
for Ohio State. Be themselves, attack, attack, down the field,
and obviously the health of those wide receivers is a
bit in question. I remain optimistic that they'll both be
on the field. I think their effectiveness is more the
question than their availability.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I think Smith will be on the field. I think
Tate will be on the field.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
But are they one hundred percent Can they attack those
safeties of Michigan down the field and cause them some
level of threat. I think that's really where the game
is won and loss for Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
So listen, I think Notre Dame is better than Miami now,
and I think college football is about thirty to thirty
five percent NFL now. September just doesn't matter like it
used to. I said this before the Ohio State Texas game.
If it's close, I don't care who wins. I said
it about Oregon Ohio State the year before. If it's close,
it doesn't matter. They've scheduled it. I'm proud of both
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schools for scheduling it. You step up to the table.
I love that. My biggest knock on college football has
always been a lack of people willing to play, you know,
go to Columbus out of conference, or go to normand Oklahoma.
So like my feeling is Notre Dame is better than
Mission Miami today, and ugly losses are really that's one
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thing that usually the people on these tables and these
boards get right. You can't lose to unranked teams if
you're a top five to ten team. So I'm okay
with a much improved team by an inch better than Miami.
Miami still has to be pitt But I know you
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are probably bothered deeply about the current rankings that has
Notre Dame over.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
I'm not bothered. I think listen. I think that two
things can be true a once. You know, if the
committee's objective is just to give us the best teams,
and they ask themselves in the room, who wins on
a neutral site this week, yeah, I'd pick Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
You know.
Speaker 9 (20:25):
So, like in that respect, do I disagree with the ranking. No,
But the committee is setting themselves up for a bit
of a trap, and that trap is the head to
head match up against Miami. Because if we're not honoring
games on the field, then what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
You know?
Speaker 9 (20:40):
Then why are we playing them? Then let's just sit
there and have a beauty pageant and and look at
the recruiting rankings and you know, look at the the
rosters and the way that they're constructed and how many
stars each year.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
You know.
Speaker 9 (20:52):
So I don't want to get into a beauty pageant either.
There's also another trap that this committee is falling into,
and it's not honoring those non conference games that you
just talked about. Now, I do want to clarify just
something really quickly, because the Miami Notre Dame game is
part of the ACC scheduling agreement that Notre Dame has,
So that's a little bit out of their control. What
I would say is more impressive is that they also
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scheduled Texas A and m Well, you've got this team
in Michigan that's sitting there at fifteen and they're in
like the bottom of the two loss teams, and yet
one of their losses is at Oklahoma. They scheduled that game,
did not buy out of that game, and played it,
and the committee is not honoring that right now.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I see.
Speaker 9 (21:31):
I think that they should view Michigan's resume more favorably
because of that non conference matchup against Oklahoma. So the
trap that the committee is setting themselves right now is
if they're just going to go by eye test and say, well,
who wins on a neutral site, you know, this weekend,
then they're not going to honor head to head and
they're also going to devalue non conference blue blood opponents,
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which is bad for the sport moving forward.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Totally agree.
Speaker 9 (21:55):
It's a tough It's a tough position because again I
don't disagree with the ranking, but it also speaks to
kind of the brokenness of the nature of this thing.
I don't think that we should have a selection based playoff.
I think we should have an access based playoff, so
we can remove some of this ambiguity and the problems
that exist in trying to place and ranked teams in
this fashion.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
So I try not to be a hypocrite. And in
my career as America's honesty broker, I have bounced around
the country for better jobs. Okay, So I'm not going
to be a hypocrite when somebody is highly mobile in
their career. So everybody's like, hey, Lane Kiffin is going
to tarnish his reputation. His reputation has always been you
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have a job, I'll travel. You can fire me in
a tarmac. I'll leave you on one.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I mean he was fired on a tarmac.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yes, So my take is Brian Kelly never went to
charm school. LSU was like, he's available, let's go get him.
College football has become more NFL. It's cutthroat. LSU was like,
what do we care about Old Miss? He's the best
coach of the country. I don't think it hurt Exlaine Kiffin.
I feel bad for Old Miss because I really do
think I don't think they're as good as Ohio State.
(23:08):
I think they could beat Oregon. I think they could
beat Georgia. I think they could beat Indiana maybe, so
I'm more bothered that I selfishly I want to see
Old Miss in the playoff with Kiffin because I think
they can beat everybody except Ohio State. That's my problem,
not the somebody wants me. I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
So there's like, I think eight things that you just
said that I disagree with. I'm trying to remember all
of them. Let me try my best. First of all,
let me ask you a question. In all of your movement,
and you did. You've moved around, You've worked at multiple
networks and done different things, and more power to you.
That agency is great for you and your family, and
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I don't begrudge that. Yeah, at any point, did you
leave in the middle of a contract?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I left early, and uh yeah, six months early. I
also started negotiating with another company, two companies, nine months
before I was allowed to.
Speaker 9 (24:07):
Okay, So you're just revealing your character to all of
America here. I would I would say I would say
this about Lane. Lane has been given a lot of
cover and I like Lane, and he's very good for
college football. He's great for college football. Yes, and Colin
(24:30):
he is a very good coach. He's not one of
the best coaches in America. Though he has not been
to a playoff. He happens to be a big fish
right now in a small pond, and it's advantageous for
him because of that. There's big jobs open and a
really weak class of coaches or pool of coaches.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
That are candidates.
Speaker 9 (24:50):
Part of the reason why there is a weak pool
of candidates is because there are other coaches that are
unwilling to do what Lane is doing, which is leave
a team in the middle of a playoff run. That
cannot be overstated. You see, he's wanting to lament and
those that run cover for him, you know, want to
lament the calendar. And while they are correct, the calendar
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is clearly broken in college football. We do thirty minutes
on the calendar right here. I agree with that take.
The problem is is that it's the same calendar for
Dan Lanning at Oregon. It's the same calendar for Kurt
Signetti at Indiana, and Mike Elko at Texas A and
m and Rhet Lashley at SMU, and yet they with
their agency, chose to stay where they're at okay and
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stay within their playoff run. And you could make a
strong argument that Rhet Lashley and Kurt Signetti could be
looking at their spots Indiana and SMU and think to themselves,
I'll tell you what, Grass is probably greener at Florida
or LSU. Meanwhile, Lane has turned Ole Miss into a
premiere program in the SEC. I would make the argument
he doesn't have to leave. This is not college football
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of ten years ago where you have to be at
one of three or four places in order to.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Compete for and win a national championship.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
That's fair.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
He doesn't have to leave.
Speaker 9 (26:03):
And my last point would just be as a coach,
when you stand in front of your players, your currency
is your credibility, and your credibility with those players is
tied directly to your character. The only thing they care
about is how much you care about them. And if
he does this and he leaves, which it looks like
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he's going to it looks like he's going to LSU,
he will destroy his credibility in front of what team
that he stands in front of. Can he say like, hey,
commit to me and choose you know, lay down yourself
and let's commit to something bigger than ourselves and let's
go achieve something great in the back of their minds
are going to be like, well, what if something better
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pops up for you, Lane, what the Dallas Cowboys call?
Are you going to leave us in the middle of
a playoff run? Because he's the play caller at Ole Miss.
He decimates that program and that offense and their opportunity
to win at the top level if he leaves. So
that's all I would say is listen. I like Lane,
I think he's great for this sport. But this excuse
that the calendar is forcing him into this decision is wrong.
(27:05):
The calendar is the same for all the other coaches
in the country which have said that they will stay
and committed to the places that they've been in. He's
doing a disservice to the players he's coaching now currently,
and I feel bad for him. My only disagreement there
is you say coaches standing in front of players and
asks for commitment. Now, in twenty twenty five, coaches stand
in front of players with envelopes full of cash and
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hand it to them, because that's what the sport is.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
It has become more transactional.
Speaker 9 (27:31):
I will give you that, and this is not an
easy scenario.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I will give you that.
Speaker 9 (27:37):
But at the end of the day. You know, he's
the one that has to stand and look in front
of the mirror. And if he does this, by the way,
he will be authoring one of what was now the
five messiest exits in football coaching history. Al Davis with
the overhead projector Tennessee leaves in the middle of the night,
they riot their burning couches, throwing them outside of the balconies.
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Mack at USC. Remember Nick Saban didn't want to deal
with Lane waftling back and forth about the FA you job,
so he said beat it before the National Championship game.
Didn't even let him call plays in the National Championship Game.
So I don't like this has been a trend for him.
Yeah no, no, it's listen.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I've said I I wouldn't do all this stuff. I uh,
you know, I even have friends at the old place.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I don't like sloppy exits. I don't like it, but
I think college football needs to create I mean, you
can't go rob the chiefs of Andy Reid during the playoffs.
College football has needed a bizarre oh yeahs.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
And that's why I started with that. Like, I agree,
the calendar has broken. We need to fix that. There's
no doubt. I just don't want that to run cover
for what I feel like is a poor decision. Okay,
so let me defend Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
First.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
If he beats UCLA and wins a bowl game, they
go eleven and three, losing. Two of their three losses
are at Notre Dame of at Oregon. I'm sorry, but
that's not a bad season. When they return almost all
of their top players. I mean, they really have a
good recruiting class. They're all line, their D line come back.
If they beat UCLA should and if they win a
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bowl game over a whoever, Utah, something like that. The
downside is I think I can also say this four
years in, when they play the best teams, the special
teams are often a disaster and the defense is mid
and I'm being kind with mid. What are they? And
I just think four years in, Yeah, the offense was
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clever with Lincoln the first day was there. That's never changed.
But the defense and special teams in big games feels
below average. What are they?
Speaker 9 (29:46):
Is that a fair criticism? I think it's totally fair.
I think that they're better than what they were last year.
Certainly they've gone from losing those close games to winning
a lot of those close games.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
But at the top end.
Speaker 9 (29:58):
They're not competing like you hope they would compete when
they face a team like Notre Dame or Oregon, you know,
and I think they would lamit not closing out that
Illinois game, which they had the lead late in that
Illinois game on the road and they couldn't stop the
They couldn't stop the run in that game. They've got
to get better, more physical, and more stout in the
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middle of their defense. The defensive line is young and
will be better next year. They're very good. I think
in the coming years on the defensive line, they've got
to get better at linebacker and more stout.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Ye.
Speaker 9 (30:32):
Actually, that is a in an area of weakness that it
has to turn around now with this number one recruiting
class that they've got. I do still believe that that's
an upward trajectory. They couldn't get to eleven wins. I
don't believe they can get to nine. Potentially in the
regular season, they could go nine to three and then
maybe a tenth to win into the bowl game.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, my bad, I said eleven. It's ten.
Speaker 9 (30:50):
I mean, but ten wins, to your point, like, that's
a huge mark of demarcation in college football. That still
means something and certainly would mean progress at USC in
particular with the class that they've got coming in next year.
So I still believe that they're on an upward trajectory,
but there are clear areas where if they don't fix
then this will continue to happen. If they don't if
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they don't fix the interior of their defense, in particular
at linebacker, this will continue to happen because those teams
that they're playing, the Michigan's, the Ohio I know they
beat Michigan, but Ohio State of the world, the Oregons
of the world, those teams are elite and will be
elite every single year.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, all right, good stuff. We always just listen. I
know you can't make predictions. I think Ohio State thirty
to thirteen. And I think if as long as one
of them can play, one of their great receivers can play,
I think this defense. I love Underwood, I love marsh
and I you know I was a big hardball guy,
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but boy this I'm telling you right now that Julian
sand doesn't make mistakes, doesn't and that defense is that
is a top five college defense. You can go back
to Steve Batman and Washington Saban had a defense.
Speaker 9 (32:01):
In twenty eleven. They were great in twenty eleven. Yeah,
my Georgia and twenty one was exceptional. You know this
is an all time defense.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I can't wait and I can't wait either.
Speaker 9 (32:13):
And by the way, it's supposed to be just like
prototypical weather, thirty with snow flurries.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Hey, by the way, I just want to make it clear,
just because I left the other place early, I've changed.
I am now only committed to Fox. iHeart and Joel Klatt.
Oh that was the old.
Speaker 9 (32:34):
No, No, I disagree. I see you out there. You
got other college football guys that you've got on whatever
you're doing everywhere else. And I'm like, okay, I feel
you know, I feel a little cheated on Colin. I'll
be honest. But that's all right, that's all right. I
know I disagree. I can be disagreeable at times.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
It's my favorite part of you actually have a great
have a great time. I can't wait to watch.
Speaker 9 (32:58):
Yeah, happy thanksgiving you your whole staff, everybody listening.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I hope you guys have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I mean it is. I mean, I get, I get Michigan,
Ohio State in ann Arbor. It's just I mean, you know, rivalries,
there's not that. I mean, the NFL is not a
rival re sport. I mean Kansas City Buffalo feels like something.
But that's kind of quarterback led I mean ten years ago, Baltimore, Pittsburgh,
I don't care. I mean Baseball Giants, Dodgers, nobody cares.
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Dodgers are global Dodgers. Yankees feels big. Michigan Ohio State
that is. That is goosebump stuff. That is. I'm gonna
turn the the air conditioning up at my house and
put a jacket on so I feel like I'm there.
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I'm gonna turn the temperature down to my house like
forty one degrees. I don't care if the dogs are upset,
and I'm gonna wear I'm gonna wear a hoodie and
just to feel like I there.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
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and Neon Eastern not a em Pacific.
Speaker 7 (34:06):
Thanksgiving Day Fox.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
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Coverage begins at eleven am Eastern with the pregame show
live on location from Detroit.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
Thanksgiving Day on Fox.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
NFL has always been to me the sport of hope.
It takes a long time to go from a terrible
baseball team to a World Series team. But in the
NFL you can be the New England Patriots, like a
hazmat spill. You get Drake May, you get Mike Rabel,
Josh mcdowne, McCown and Josh McDaniel excuse me, and all
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of a sudden you're the number one seed. It's the
sport of hope. You get the head coach, the coordinator,
and the quarterback right and you are suddenly a Super
Bowl contender. But it's all centered. College football is about
the coat. Pro football is about the quarterback, and we've
got a lot of young quarterbacks. Thanksgivings tomorrow. They all
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start Week one in the NFL as rookies at the
kids table till they graduate to the Stafford table, or
they graduate to the Justin Herbert or the Patrick Mahomes
Josh Allen table. So jmack, let's determine kids table or
adult table for these young signal callers.
Speaker 7 (35:26):
All right, Colin, are you ready for this? Here we go?
Speaker 6 (35:28):
Will it be the kids table or the big quarterback table?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
For Drake Nate he has already pivoted to the big
quarterback table. Listen, He's better than even people who liked
him thought. Leaves the NFL in completion percentage at a
remarkable seventy one percent best record in the NFL, already
has well over three thousand yards right now, he feels
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like a top six to seven quarterback today in the league. Durable, big, accurate, winning,
crowning him.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Okay, I like it, all right, Kids table or big
quarterback table?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
For Jackson Dart, He's still at the kids table. Jmack
in eight games, he's checked into the blue tent four times.
He's already you know. He leads quarterbacks in Russia attempts,
which I am a fan of young quarterbacks using their
athletic ability and feet to move the chains as they grow.
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But right now from the pocket, still have my doubts.
He's a risk taker. He moves well, a lot of confidence,
probably one more thanksgiving from moving, you know, to a
glass of wine.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
All right, Well, this one's going to divide the audience.
Kids table or big Quarterback table for your guy, Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
He's at the Big Boy t come four and zero
in November. One of three quarterbacks with thirty touchdown passes
and ten or fewer interceptions over the last two years.
You want to hear the other ones, Stafford Lamar and
your guy Jalen Hurtz. Caleb Williams is comfortably sitting next
(37:06):
to grandpa.
Speaker 7 (37:07):
Oh my god, that is troubling.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Kids table or Big Quarterback table for Bownicks your other
best friend, Come.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
On, adult table. Not even enough? I mean nine total
touchdowns in the fourth quarter, ranked second in the league,
leads the NFL with eight game winning drive last two seasons,
top ten and wins, passing yards, touchdown passes. I mean,
(37:36):
come on, he is okay, he's getting the leg.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
You're the teaser, you're the teacher. I wish I had
in like eleventh grade biology. Kid's table or big Quarterback
table for Bryce.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Young two inconsistent. I'm sorry you watched it Monday. He's
shrank in a big spot. I'm sorry. He's a great kid.
But you very early on you were like, you were like,
he doesn't look the part ninety or worst passer rating
in nine of his eleven starts, and I like his
coach and Rico Daddell. He's got a couple of young,
(38:07):
but very talented wide receivers. Their defense is better, but
he is twelve and twenty seven since he entered the league.
Kid's table not great.
Speaker 7 (38:16):
We should probably skip this one, but we'll do it anyway.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Kid's table or Big Quarterback Table for JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Well in the second and third quarters this year, he
has a twenty seven passer rating, so I don't even
want to be mean kids table. In fact, the other kids,
the other kids let him go first and pick Oh
he's struggling. Hey, I feel bad for the kid. He's struggling.
Speaker 7 (38:35):
It's early.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
He'll re'll turn it around. Kid's table or Big Quarterback
table for cam Ward.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I'm gonna put him at the big boy table. I
think he's I think he's really talented. He's not getting
any help. He's the most sack quarterback they fired. Their coach.
Reminds me a lot of a less talented Chicago Bear
mess last year. The Bears had more players. I think
I think cam Ward's good. Like last weekend, finally coming around.
But last year Caleb, everybody said he was terrible. Twenty touchdown,
(39:06):
six picks. This was a multiple touchdown game against the Seahawks. Ran.
He's growing on me. Now. I'm not saying he gets
the stuffing last. He's not getting the mashed potatoes first
at the adult table. But I'm gonna put him there.
I think he's I see, I see some potential startup.
Speaker 7 (39:24):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
Finally kid's table or big quarterback table for Sineur Sanders, neither.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
We're putting him at a new table, the legendary table.
Every quarter of that? Is it a height news legendary?
Hey led the NFL last week? Yards per a.
Speaker 7 (39:52):
Temp wow last week?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
You know what? I took some u some of the
motif on his draft room legendary moved it over to Thanksgiving.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
Did you just use motif on a sports show? Oh
my gosh, coward in is bag here.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
Listen the Chad, the Chadueur five online is coming after
you for this.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Damn, I will say this. He did you know my
rule on quarterbacks? If your college problem is your NFL problem,
you're in trouble. Johnny Manziel ran around too much. You
watched them in the pros. You're like, yeah, yeah, that
that stuff is not gonna work. Uh. If Caleb Williams
struggled with accuracy struggles in the NFL, it's my only
(40:33):
criticism of him. Gotta be a little bit more accurate.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
Yeah, does the legendary table eat before the kids table?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Or no? You know it's it's somewhere in between.
Speaker 7 (40:41):
Okay, all right, all right?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
You could they do serve wine at the legendary table?
Speaker 7 (40:46):
Oh really wine?
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Not at the kids table? Okay, okay, all right. But
here's what I'd say about Shadoor Sanders. The opposite is
also true. When I watched him last week, I saw
Colorado Chadueur and I thought Colorado Shoulder was a mid
first mid second round pick. He moves better than anybody
gives him credit for. Stop saying he's a pocket quarterback.
(41:08):
He has a couple spin moves. He moves. He's not
as quick to me as like a bow Nicks. He's
not quite that twitchy. But he's a good athlete. He
has a average to average plus arm. By the way,
on the deep throws accurate and it does help. I
will say this. I know in Cleveland everybody's banging on Stefanski.
(41:31):
But one of the things J Mack, that you and
I can't argue about. It has been a clear advantage
to have an offensive coach if you're a rookie, Yeh
bow Knicks, Caleb Williams, Okay Raheem Morris. That's who Mike
Pennix gets right now, you can Yeah, how.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
Cole Penix is it? He's not even invited.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
To thanks He's hurt. He's hurt. I don't know what
to do with that.
Speaker 7 (41:51):
So I need to ask you.
Speaker 6 (41:52):
So Bryce Young, who's in you know, multiple years in
the league, couldn't do anything against the Robert solid defense.
Speaker 7 (41:58):
If Shaduur goes out and has a passable.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
Game against Salah and the Niners, that then there's she's
really gonna freak out. People are gonna be like, this
is your starter next year, So just be ready for that.
Speaker 7 (42:07):
Because Sunday, the slate is not great.
Speaker 6 (42:09):
All the good teams are fired on Thanksgiving Day, So
Chadour could have a game against Salah at home. It's
inclement weather, so maybe that's uh, maybe that'll throw a
wrinkle in that.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
But yeah, I think I think I feel like some
of the Chadur stuff is a little bit like Tibau.
People are talking about conspiracy theories. He's got a very
fanatical you know following. It's very tribal. The difference is,
I think Shador throws an NFL ball. I think I
think Tebow was always a little bit in terms of
(42:40):
athletic ability, a little overstated. I think Shador's athletic ability
is understated. And the aird thing about Shadur that I like,
I think he's too goofy and playful for me. I
wish he was a little more serious.
Speaker 7 (42:51):
He's what is he twenty three years old?
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Oh but we've always said it's not fair, but I
do need my cornerbacks to be grown ups. I don't
need I don't care about any enterprison. There are certain
things in life. If you're working in the ICU in
a hospital and you're twenty four, you can't be at
senior froggies the night before knocking down twelve tequilas. I
need you to be a grown up. There are pilot
(43:14):
you can't be out at the bar night before if
you're a twenty five year old pilot, pilot, surgeons, quarterbacks.
I'm sorry it's unfair you have to be more mature.
That's part of it, right, Surgeon, pilot, quarterback, you have
to be a different twenty four.
Speaker 6 (43:30):
The two occupations that literally save lives, and then a
quarterback who throws a pig skin.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah yeah, okay, god.
Speaker 7 (43:36):
It makes sense.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Another one of my analogies that nailed it.
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