December 3, 2025 • 40 mins
Colin Cowherd tries to make sense of the latest College Football Playoff Rankings reinforcing his long-held belief that college football lacks the necessary leadership to establish who should get into the playoff bracket and direct the sport
Fox Sports college football analyst Joel Klatt joins the show to discuss the playoff rankings and Lane Kiffin’s shocking decision to leave Ole Miss for LSU
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Oh here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It'll be a rambunctious Wednesday show.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
We are live in Chicago. It's the Herd.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Joel
cladd in one hour two try to unravel the twenty
twenty five latest edition of the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
The twelve team Playoff. Now again.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
You have an ACC championship game, an SEC championship game,
a big twelve championship game to be played. But I
just want to talk about this for a second. It's
so confusing. March Madness has sixty eight teams easier to
explain than this. I can explain over the next five
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minutes the blockchain easier than I can The College Football Playoff.
Miami is ten and two, has beaten Notre Dame head
to head and they're not in the ACC title game.
You know who is seven and five, Duke, And if
Duke wins the ACC title game over Virginia, it blows
up the ACC and nobody gets.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
In from the conference.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
How do you how do you make a conference championship game?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And if you win it a heroic seven and five.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Teams in the ACC championship ten and two, Miami's not
and if Duke wins, nobody gets in from the ACC.
Basically what we learned yesterday. The committee said, Yeah, I know,
Miami that you beat Notre Dame, and I know that
you're ten and two and have impressive wins. You're not
in and an hammering pit in cold weather up north.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
That didn't impress us either.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Okay, this is a perfect time to go back to
my ten to twenty year rant on the ridiculousness of
college football. Eight billion dollar industry, no centralized figure, no ceo,
no Dana White is ridiculous. And whenever anybody says college
football is better than the NFL, no it's not. You
can't have a great movie with a bad ending. You
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can't have a great movie with a bad ending. Once again,
we're left with this nebulous cloud trying to decipher what matters.
I thought scheduling big, tough road games matters. Yeah, Texas
did see you. I thought winning big games mattered well.
Texas beat Oklahoma. That was a pretty big game. Texas
has three wins, beat Texas A and M beat Vandy.
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That doesn't matter because they lost to Ohio State. I
thought bad losses pun a well. Last year Notre Dame
made the Natty, they lost a Northern Illinois at home.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I mean, it's unbelievable. It's just unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I mean, ask yourself, have you ever watched the NFL
playoffs and said, I like it, but I can't quite
figure it out. I mean, occasionally in the NFL you'll
have like a team of the losing record have a
home playoff game, but we all know why.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
We don't have to like it, but we know why.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Because they want a division and they're playing a team
that was a wildcard team with the better record.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
That happens occasionally.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
But the simplest way to explain what happened last night,
and again we still have championship games to be played.
The simplest way to explain last night is Notre Dame
is in and Miami and Texas are out, and Miami
has an impressive win. Texas has several, but I guess
Notre Dame doesn't have a really really bad loss. So
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Texas and Miami have you know. I mean, Texas has
multiple big wins, but that Florida loss that's the kapper,
and Notre Dame doesn't really have a great win that
you could say USC. But USC has not played well
the last two years in the Big Ten on road,
cold weather games.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
They just haven't. So it's funny.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
In the last thirty years in college football, first we
had the media select who played for the Natty, then
it was the computers, and now we're down to an
arbitrary committee where it's math meets selective feelings. Again, whenever
you argue college football is better than the pros, what
you're saying is NFL great beginning, great middle, great end
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is not as good as a movie with an atrocious ending.
Even the Lane Kiffinsaga they can't even get their calendar right.
And I love college football, so I'm not going to
hyperventilate too much on the rankings. I'd put Miami in.
I think Texas deserves a shot. I don't have a
problem with Notre Dame being in, but it is remarkable
that Duke at seven and five is in the ACC
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championship game and if they win, they not only don't
get in, nobody in the conference does.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
That is absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
That's why urban Meyer came on my show earlier this
week and said, get rid of the committee.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I think the committee's got to go away.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
You have Chris Fhlik, you got the Bear, you got
mark Ingram, you got Matt Liner, Brady Quinn, urban Meyer,
There's a bunch of national titles. Heisman's a bunch of
football guys. That's what they do. I mean, weird gam
near in fistfights in that green room, getting ready to
go on Big Noon because everybody's.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Got and we can't agree. So how in the world are.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Athletic Director's Conference committe How are they coming up with
who's going to be in this in the playoffs? So
I'm a big believer in the four four two two
one one that was presented earlier about the committee goes away,
the conferences take care of it.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Uh, the ACC is this weird, convoluted Ponzi scheme. I'm
almost roote now for Duke to meet Virginia. So nobody
gets in from the ACC we know Miami should, and
then everybody has to sit down and go this is ridiculous.
I mean it's been ridiculous forever. It used to be computers.
Now it's math and selective feelings. Take a deep breath.
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We still have championship games coming up. Maybe it'll get better.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So Ben Roethlisberger, who carries a lot of weight with
the Pittsburgh Steelers, his voice carries He is now joining
the fans and the media and privately there is a discussion.
There's tension between Tomlin and the ownership. Here's Big Ben
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on the Mike Tomlin future discussion.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
It's being talked about around here a lot. Maybe it's time,
Maybe it's a clean house time. Maybe it is Maybe
it's time. And I like coach Tomlin. I have a
lot of respect coach Tomlin. But maybe it's best for
him too. Maybe a fresh start for him is what's best.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
This is what I agree with. Big Ben's right.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Ask yourself this Sometimes people, I would include myself in this.
I like fresh starts. Some people have to be pushed
into him. But a lot of times, be honest, did
your wife, your kids, a friend convince you, you know
what this job?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
You need a fresh start.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You're kind of getting tired, you've lost your energy, and
you do it. You got to be pushed into it.
It ends up being the greatest movie of your career.
I think that's what Mike Tomlin needs. Think about this.
Since Mike Tomlin's last playoff win, his last playoff win,
Donald Trump hadn't been inaugurated the first time show hey
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O Taani was still playing baseball in Japan. Sam Darnold
just beat Penn State in a Rose Bowl. Kevin Durant.
It was his first sea with the Warriors. Sean McVay
had not coached a single game for the Rams. This
isn't like just happening or in the last couple years
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Sam Darnold was in college.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I mean, come on, it's time.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And I've said in my career I'm not out the
fire people, but when somebody's going to get a job
pretty quickly after, I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
It's time.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I mean, this has been like a seven year leaky
roof and Pittsburgh just keeps putting buckets all over the
living room and kitchen. This offense has been dreadful bottom
ten for years. Aaron Rodgers, he'll save the day. Arthur Smith,
he'll save the day. It doesn't matter. You can keep
running through great receivers. NFL coach is not a Supreme
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Court justice. It's not a lifetime appointment. Mike Tomlin is
not a college professor. He's not tenured. Whatever is happening
in his personal life, I don't know, and I don't care.
But what I know right now is this is a
seven to eight year leaky roof. Fix the roof. Stop
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just putting buckets around the house. Twenty twenty five Pittsburgh
Steelers once again feel out of touch with the league
offensively and kind of outdated Defensively, old defensive coaches Belichick,
Pete Carroll, Mike Tomlin a few years ago, Ron Rivera,
Lovey Smith. Those defensive coaches do not age as well
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you can. I tend to think offensive coaches tend to
be more curious. They're play designers where you have to be.
Current defensive coaches tend to be about brute strength and aggressive,
which doesn't owe as necessarily for people or businesses or teams.
Age well, but if Big Ben entered the fray, you
gotta take it seriously. J Mac, Joel kladd In one hour,
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Albert Breer, Alexi Lawless. We're gonna have the World Cup
draw on Friday, which is gonna be unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Can't wait for that? He can. I ask you real.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Quick about this Tomlin stuff, because I'm kind of on
the other side, Colin. I've seen some of these franchises.
You move off a good coach and it may take
you a while to find a great replacement. I mean,
we've seen this for quarterbacks. I mean, I hope you
can't just save Mike.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
We're done. You need a game plan. Who you got?
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Give me five names you think we could realistically get
to shape the franchise going forward, because.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
They would all be offensive. You know, Brian Dabele is
somebody I would strongly consider.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I mean to remember.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Firing Domlin to hire a guy who couldn't get his
act together in New York over.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, but New York's got worse ownership New York's front office.
Has Ben Wonky contextualize it. The Giants have run through everybody.
The Steelers generally aren't chaotic. They underperform, but they haven't
had a lose season in twenty one years. When's the
last time the Giants had a winning season. So Brian
Dabele would be I mean, Brian Dables won a playoff
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game in the last eight years with Daniel Jones, who
Indiana or the Indianapolis Colts may regret now with the
Sauce Gardner move. So I Brian Dabele would be at
the top. And again, there's always a Liam Cohen out
there hunt around. There's always a Ben Johnson somewhere, But
I Brian Daboles the obvious one to me that just
jumps out.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
And do you think Tomlin goes back into coaching, because, yeah,
the Titans have an opening, the Jets could have an opening,
the Browns could have an opening in the division.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
I think people would be really interested.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Tomlin's not quite in the Verbel Harbaugh boat, is he
of like that guy's gonna work? Remember those guys when
they were on the market, it was like, that's a
slam doup.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Let me throw this one out. Mike McCarthy, all he
does is win twelve games in Green Bay in Dallas
like him, you know, I mean, Mike McCarthy. Brian Dable
offensive guy. Whether you like them or not, it is
in undeniable. I mean, Ryan Dable is the one that
pushed for Jackson Dart in New York and you're watching
Jackson Dart and it's like, oh, that's a franchise quarterback.
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Nobody the rest of the league wasn't clamoring for Jackson Dart.
So if you look at Jackson Dart's completion percentages running,
if you can stay out of the blue tent, which
by the way, Drake may first year was in the
blue tan. Lot guys are in the blue tent when
they're young, then they get hit a few times.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
End of year two they're out of it.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And I think Jackson Dart after that hit against New
England in the first quarter, may be avoiding hits from
this point forward. But the point is Brian Dable won
a playoff game. Brian Dable like Jackson Dart. Brian Dable
I think can coach in the NFL and he would
get a less chaotic ownership group.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I think you to consider him.
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Speaker 1 (13:19):
Joel Klatt, who called Ohio State Michigan, he'll be calling
Ohio State Indiana. He's getting some good games. So I
guess this is we both love this sport. I guess
I guess where I feel bad. So Miami's going we
beat him head to head. Yeah, and Texas is going
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we beat three top dead teams. And the Committee's like, well,
Notre Dame didn't really have a quality win, but they had.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
No bad losses.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I don't know if that's how she we should measure greatness.
I like Notre Dame as a program, shouldn't doesn't Miami
have a real case here?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Of course?
Speaker 9 (13:59):
Of course, of course Miami has a real case and
Texas has a real case, and there's so many ways
to go. Let me, let me just start with like,
the problem is obviously the format obviously right, because we're
trying to have this selection based playoff and it doesn't
matter if you have computers do it or people do it.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Like it's subjective.
Speaker 9 (14:23):
And there's no way that you can rank the criteria,
or or at least they don't rank the criteria and
tell us which one is going to take precedent over
the other. So there's all different types of critera. You
can take a head to head criteria or resume criteria,
the eye test criteria, did you get to a conference
championship game? What did your schedule look like in particular
in the non conference, And yet we don't rank those
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So what value does any of those criteria actually have
towards the ranking? Well, we don't know, and I think
that's the arbitrary nature of it is what's frustrating. I've
argued for a long time that we need to define
the path you see, like for instance, in every other sport,
all always in.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Forever, what do we do to break tiebreakers?
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Colin?
Speaker 9 (15:03):
The first one is head to head always, always, And
so here's the thing with Notre Dame. I don't think
they're just in. I know that they're not going to
play another game in Miami is not going to play
another game, But but they have this buffer that is BYU.
And so if you actually play this out, I think
Notre Dame is actually more likely to miss the playoff
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than make the playoff.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
And here's why.
Speaker 9 (15:27):
If BYU wins in the Big twelve championship game and
beats Texas Tech, they get an automatic spot, and there's
almost no scenario where Tech falls behind Notre Dame. Therefore,
Notre Dame would fall fall out now if BYU loses
to Texas Tech, maybe similar fashion to the way they
lost already this year when they played Tech twenty nine
to seven. It was a dominant victory for the Red Raiders.
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Wouldn't BYU almost assuredly just fall maybe one spot or
two spots in the rankings behind Miami, which then would
promote a direct comparison with what we're talking about, two
TA teams right next to each other, same record, with
a head to head result. So I think Notre Dame's
actually in a really precarious spot right now.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I listen, I you know me, I like big brands.
I want Notre Dame in Miami and Texas all in right,
Like that's what.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I'm rooting for.
Speaker 9 (16:17):
I think Texas is cooked. I don't see the way
they get in. I know, but it's isn't unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Beat Oklahoma like a drum dominated, bandy dominated and they
lose to Ohio State by seven. From that point forward,
Ohio State won by an average of thirty one. That
the only team that played a super close game in
Columbus four new offensive linemen and you're like, best college
defense probably either one of us has seen in half
a decade.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
And they lose by.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
A touchdown and Texas didn't play well, and you're like,
I don't know, Like, listen, they don't match up with Georgia.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
They just don't.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
That happens. They don't match up with Georgia. Let me
ask you this, Indiana scheduled a week at a conference
schedule right now, they'd have a buye. What if Indiana
gets smoked? What if it is thirty eight seventeen and
it looks like the Indiana Notre Dame game last year?
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What if Indiana gets smoked? What happens to them.
Speaker 9 (17:16):
I don't think they fall out of by territory, and
the reason is that Oregon will act as a buffer. Remember,
they beat Oregon, so like Oregon is their floor. So
even if they fall down with what they've done this year,
they're probably still going to remain in the top four.
Even if they were to get Now, I don't think
they'll get smoked. I think that's a very good and
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complete team. Now, did they play a soft non conference.
There's no doubt that they played a soft non conference.
But I don't see a situation where either the loser
of the Big Ten championship game, Ohio State or Indiana
falls out of a position where they're getting a buye
in the first round of the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Okay, what if, okay, Bama went to Georgia. It's one
of the I mean, honestly, one of the most perfect
game plans I've ever seen. They beat Georgie in Athens.
They were flawless, one of the best haves of football
played by anybody this year. What if Georgia beats them?
And by the way, George and Kirby Smart don't beat
Alabama much like it that you talk about a matchup.
Georgia doesn't beat Bama, Texas doesn't beat Georgia. What if
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Bama gets smacked, can they get knocked out?
Speaker 9 (18:17):
I think possibly, Although the history and the president from
the committee last year was that they weren't going to
penalize teams for losing conference championship games. And we saw
that when SMU lost to Clemson, you remember, and Clemson
got the automatic berth but then SMU stayed in the
College Football Playoff that went to Penn State and lost
in the first round. So President would tell you that
this committee is going to value conference championship games and
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not not knock a team for losing that now here,
let me just say this sake of argument, let's just
pull ourselves out thirty thousand foot view for a moment,
because that would suggest that this committee is trying to
protect or value conference championship games. And I would make
the argument that in college football for the last ten
and twenty years, we have done a really poor job
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of trying to protect and value things that are obviously
going to die, like amateurism and bowl games, for example.
These are things that obviously don't fit in what's going
to happen in the future of our sport, and the
fact that they didn't move off of amateurism early led
to the chaos that we have now with the transfer
portal and the revenue share. The fact that they won't
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move off of bowl games gives us a regular season
and then playoff that leaks into the NFL playoffs that
leaks into the transfer portal late into January. So we're
not nimble in college football. And if you protect a
conference championship game, the writing is on the wall Colin.
These games are being devalued. There's no reason to protect those.
So if Bamba were to get smacked, I could see
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a situation where, depending on what happens in the BYU
Texas second game, they get in, maybe Miami gets in,
and maybe you know, they take another look at Texas
in that regard. But I do think that we need
to start putting the right value in the right spots.
I think that we need to start talking about defining
the path to the playoff rather than having a selection
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based committee playoff. These things would be better for the sport.
Not to get two long winded, but just for an example,
just for an example, imagine this weekend, if we had
a play in weekend. And this didn't live in a
committee room, but it lived on the field where we
had based on where you finished in your conference, automatic
bursts per conference, maybe four each for the Big guys
SEC and Big Ten, maybe two each for the ACC
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and the Big twelve, and then you would get matchups
this weekend colin like Texas at Texas A and m
winner goes to the playoff, BYU Utah winner goes to
the playoff, Miami Duke winner goes to the playoff. So
we would be able to say, hey, listen, rather than
just sitting there and watching your TV and seeing if
a committee puts you in, you control your own fate.
Go play a football game for sixty minutes, and if
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you can win that game, then you're going to go
on into a fourteen team playoff.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
That's what I.
Speaker 9 (20:51):
Would do, But no one's making me commissioner yet. If
you've got that power, please do so.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
If I was commissioner, I would say head to head
one quality wins too. That to me should be It
would clarity would be pretty easy. I mean Texas would
be in Notre Dame would not be like head to
head matters quality because I want better scheduling.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I would take it away from at large. I just don't.
Speaker 9 (21:16):
I don't like this idea that we're just like selecting teams. Now,
even if you define the criterion valued them as you're
saying in a particular order, that would help, That would
certainly help. I would just rather put it on the field.
I would rather have a play in weekend. A play
in weekend with fourteen teams would create more value at
the top because there would only.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Be two buys.
Speaker 9 (21:36):
So you're really creating a top end incentive for those
teams to play hard late into the season, the best
teams in the country, and more access and control at
the bottom. You know, That's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Okay, I got three things, though, I'm going to get
to Penn State Lane Kiffin before I do that. I
could see Ryan Day wants them in every game, but
the conference championship, for like Ohio State, means nothing. I
don't want guys hurt takeaways. And I also, I'm going
to have to play somebody I don't want them seeing,
you know, I want them to have to go back
eight games to find some of my tricks. I could
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see Ohio State saying, you know, any player that's kind
of banged up, you're not playing and kind of doing
a vanilla playbook, and then they lose. Because if I'm
the bottom line is if I beat Michigan and winning Natty,
nobody gives a rip about Indiana.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
You beat Michigan, you win a Natty.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So I guess my question is is it possible we're
going to get a really flat, uninspired Buckeye team this weekend?
Speaker 9 (22:32):
I don't think so, because they've been business like the
entire year. It didn't matter if we saw them at
you know, I saw him play Rutgers, I saw him
play Illinois, and they were the same every single week.
And I feel like we're going to get the same
business like approach from the Buckeyes. Let's also keep in
mind this is a program. None of these players have
won a Big Ten title. This is not like old
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hat for Ohio State. We might feel like that because
we've seen Ohio State of recent vintage, but this program
hasn't won a Big Ten title since twenty twenty. They're
gonna want to go out there and put their best
foot forward. There's also more on the line when you
think about the Heisman Trophy. Julian sayin is going to
have to play well in order to win the game,
in order to win the Heisman Trophy. So I still
think that there's a lot on the line. The number
one seed overall in the playoff is going to be beneficial.
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You'd rather play the number four team in the country
in the semi final than the number two or three
team in the semi final. So all of those things
I think will be incentive for them to go put
their best foot forward.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Okay, let's get to Kiffin.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Listen, I've said, don't marry the rock star and be
shocked when he says, I got to go on tour
for a couple of months. Yeah, Ole Miss would have
signed up for where they're at today five years ago. Sure,
number one offense in the country eleven wins, but he's
going to burn you on the way out. Ole Miss
would have signed up for that. So I don't have
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When you go into business or you go into a relationship,
as long as you get full disclosure, and there was
on Lane Kiffin, I don't have a lot of sympathy
for all Miss. They benefited just like everybody that hires
Lane does. Your offense gets better, you get talked about
there's controversy and social media. I mean, I guess the
whole thing doesn't bother me as much as it probably
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bothers everybody else, does it? Well?
Speaker 6 (24:13):
You, I just.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
Everything that you said is correct, nothing you said is
wrong there. Yeah, I mean he's got the five messiest
exits in maybe football history. I mean, think about it,
Al Davis with the overhead projector you got the Tennessee debacle.
He's left on the tarmac and usc Saban told him
to chick Rocks before the National Championship game. And now
here at Old Miss. So everything that you're saying, yes,
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if you're Old Miss again, Ole Miss, the program, the administration,
I'm sure that this is kind of like, yeah, maybe
this was always in the cards, or certainly we could
expect this. But I think of it not from the
Old Miss perspective, and I think of it from the
player's perspective. If you're one of those players and you're
sitting in the meetings in August in early September and
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they're talking about team tea first and committing and let's
go achieve something and here are our team goals, well
he just left that team and they are going to
field spurred and trust me, Like you're seeing articles out
there where some of these players are are pushing back
on this narrative that Lane, you know, wanted to coach
and they wanted him to coach, and they're like, no,
you know, we feel pretty betrayed by Lane Kiffen and
(25:22):
rightly so, Listen, I don't begrudge this man his movement,
and he's going to go, and he thought LSU was
going to be a better opportunity for he and his family,
you know, more power to him, but that doesn't mean
that there are not consequences to those decisions. And he
did leave a team high and dry, and he left
those players high and dry. That's going to hurt his
credibility moving forward. And he also went to a place that,
(25:43):
let's face it is not as sound foundationally. They might
have more resources, but it's certainly a lot more crazy
at LSU. It's like, listen, you know, you can go
with a six to prom and that six is going
to be committed to you. You take the nine, she
might be great, all right, that's a good way to
(26:04):
put it.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Okay, you and I did not like Penn State. They
did not like you and I didn't like Penn State
abruptly canning James Franklin. Well, now what's happened is the
power brokers who run this sport, the agents are freezing
out Penn State and they have like the recruiting class
I'm surprised they haven't called me. They are not recruiting
(26:26):
anybody like like there, Montana is gonna have a better
recruiting classy than Penn State. So I what do you
think happens?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
It's a good job.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
It's a good job, but unfortunately for them, and then
I know that people involved it has been mismanaged. I
think that they had a plan when they fired James Franklin,
and I think that that plan involved Kurt Signetti, and
Kurt Signetty was like, Nope, that ain't that ain't my bag.
And once that happened, then they were behind the eight ball.
And now they've been gotten passed up by these other programs.
(27:00):
So I think here's the thing. I think that Penn
State went after Kloni Sataki pretty hard, and Crumble Cookie
came in and said, our cookies are delicious and they're
making a lot of money. And no, and if you
don't know that, the Crumble Cookie guy is a BYU guy,
and he came in with a lot of it. It's
a big meme and it's fantastic. So now I think
that there's probably a couple of guys that they're still
(27:22):
in talks with and trying to get. I think Brian
dave Ball is still in play. I think Jeff Brahm
at Louisville is still in play. And the fact that
it hasn't happened yet. And today, by the way, is
National Signing Day, Early signing day. Players can recruits can
sign to your school today. And Penn State doesn't have
a coach, which is wild. It speaks to the possible
mismanagement of what's going on, or at least it's going
off the rails, and they don't have a coach, which
(27:44):
also leads me to believe that something is up their sleeve. Colin,
I think that they are targeting a coach that is
still playing this week.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
And if you just.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
Go process of elimination, this is not information that I've
heard from anybody. If process of elimination, think, well, Kirby's
not going anywhere. Sotaki told him, no, Joey Maguire's not
going anywhere. Both guys in the American at two Lane
in North Texas. Some are all and Eric Morris they
already have a place to go. Is it Tony Elliott
at Virginia possibly, Manny Diaz at at Duke possibly? Or
(28:16):
is it Kaylin de Boor at Alabama? I think that
they might be going after a guy that is coaching
this week, which is why it's bleeding into the signing day.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Caitlin de Boor, by the way, is a Midwest guy, isn't.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
He got has started in South Dakota. How about that again?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I haven't.
Speaker 9 (28:40):
No one's told me that officially, but I if you
just play that out, like why do you not have
a coach yet? He's got to still be coaching? That's
that's pretty good closure right there. You just went Mariano
Rivera on us. That was a pretty good clothes right.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Cut her in on the hands.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Just okay, Well, I'm gonna enjoy the games you have Indiana,
Ohio State. I like Ohio State. Man.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
You're getting good games. You love it.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Did you get a job promotion here at the company
they're giving you a good games?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
No?
Speaker 9 (29:13):
No, they said that I've been I've been doing a
good job on these hits. So this is its reward
for doing a good job here, Joe Clatt, good thing,
see you, brother.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
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Speaker 6 (29:29):
It's a great time to be a soccer fan. On Friday,
it all kicks off with the FIFA World Cup Final
draw at eleven thirty am Eastern on Fox. Then on Saturday,
Messy and inter Miami square off against Vancouver for the
MLS Cup at two thirty pm Eastern, also on Fox.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Fired up for that Fired up for that draw. I
know you are well.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
It's time for the Honorable Judge Cowhard presiding in the
court of my opinion today. You give me all the quarterbacks,
all the young quarterbacks in the league twenty twenty four class.
I am ready. Let's make judgments fire away, all.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Right, Do you accept the case that Caleb Williams is
a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Let me direct your attention to Caleb's star witnesses, head
coach Ben Johnson. One of the best passers on third
down Thanks to Ben Johnson fourth highest touchdown interception ratio
thirty seven touchdown to eleven picks since he entered the league.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Yes, okay, Oh boy, what a lenient judge.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
Do you accept the case that Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
Is a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Now, everyone rise and raise your right hand for Jaden's
left elbow. Yes, listen, highest completion percentage by any rookie
quarterback ever. He is a highly mobile, highly accurate, highly coachable,
really bright kid who's injury prone.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
The verdict is yes, he's a franchise guy.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
I like how they got a photo of you smiling.
Judges should be serious. Do you accept the case that
Drake May is a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I would like to state for the record that Drake
May is arguably the best quarterback out of the twenty
twenty four draft class. Yes, on pace to be the
second youngest quarterback to lead the NFL in passer rating.
Who's number one, Dan Marino. Greatness in a league of
mediocrity is easy to spot.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Drake May is great.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
Right now we get to the hard ones.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Colin, do you accept the case that Michael Pennix is
a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
As your judge, you are instructed to disregard what you
saw at the University of War Washington. He just had
his third major knee surgery in his young career. No
is the answer. He is a pure pocket passer, I
said when he came out early injury would scare me
right now as wins are over. JJ McCarthy, Marcus Mariota,
(32:17):
and Drew Locke so far, No, not a franchise court.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
Yeah, all right, I kind of agree. Do you accept
the case that J.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
J McCarthy, after like seven starts is a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
As I stated earlier, the evidence does not support any
argument that JJ is ready to start a franchise. That
my Kings have averaged seventeen points a game when he starts.
His completion percentage is rough fifty four percent. Passer rating
minimum hundred attempts, minimum one hundred and tenths fifty eight.
(32:52):
There's no evidence to support, as your judge, there is
no evidence to support he's a franchise quartervent.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
All right?
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Do you accept the case that bo Nicks is a
franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Remember, J mac, we are all under oath to solemnly
swear that bow Nicks is ready to lead a franchise. Listen,
he leaves the NFL the last two years with eight
game winning drive There is an it quality to being
a franchise guy in this league. You can be great early,
but if you shrink late, No thanks. He can struggle early.
(33:25):
He and Caleb both can they rise late. That's a
franchise quarterback.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
And finally, do you accept the case that Spencer Rattler
is a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Stating his full name for the record, Spencer Benson Rattler. No,
he is a backup quarterback. I mean, come on, he's
one in thirteen, twelve touchdowns, fifteen giveaways, and a passer
rating under Rady. He's talented. He reminds me of Drew Lock.
I can see the talent. I know he's got a
good arm. I know he moves. Okay, you gotta games,
(34:00):
got to make good decisions. You see who the Saints
replaced him with last week a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Yeah, Tyler. Yeah, I forgot about Spencer Ratler honestly. But listen,
you're a lenient judge, Colin.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
Let's be real.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
It's a little early on Pennix and McCarthy given the injuries.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
I mean, Pennis barely started last year.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I will say, of all these, I feel very strongly,
what's really the Michael Pennock's injury his third ye is.
So I think if you're Atlanta now you've got to
start drafting a backup quarterback because he has him an
elite and he can't stay healthy. I've said this with
JJ McCarthy. You would know if he could stay healthy,
if he was the guy by now. That's the worst part.
(34:45):
You don't think he is, but you don't really know
because he's not available to start. Bonix and Caleb Williams
Boenix doesn't get sacked and he's durable. Caleb doesn't throw
picks and they're durable, and they're both great late. So
I don't expect everybody to be Drake May. I will say,
we talked about this yesterday. If you go back to
(35:06):
the last and I don't top of my head, thirty drafts,
you get one franchise quarterback, no doubt about it. Good
guy can make a Pro Bowl or two or three
or four. You get one franchise quarterback every draft. I
think quarterback plays better now in college you may get
two now, but you get a star about every four
to five years. You get a Drake may or you
(35:29):
I mean, Drake May is a star. Drake May is a.
They don't even have a good old line or a
good run game, and they maybe the number one seed
with Denver. You have a stack from Denver's roster Chicago's roster.
There's no holes, right, I mean like New England's roster.
I don't like their own line or their run game,
and they have no number one receiver. Drake may is
what you get every every fourth draft, like a star.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
So I don't like to throw around franchise quarterback tag.
So I'll ask you, like, is Baker Mayfield the franchise
quarterback He's on like his sixth team? Okay, Sam Donald,
I'm assuming you think is a franchise yes, okay, Well
if that's the case, then yes, I will agree with
some of these colins.
Speaker 7 (36:06):
But let me ask you about Bryce Young because last year,
if you had asked franchise, go at hell nough right, this.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Year you're like, I can see him being my quarterback
for the next two or.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Three Okay, So this is good. So you and I
have talked about this. Put it in context. Sam Darnold's
a franchise quarterback at thirty three million a year, right, Yes,
that's Baker who can be reckless? Is a franchise quarterback
at thirty five million year. I would keep Bryce Young
at thirty three. I'm letting him go if the demand
(36:36):
is forty six. He is small, he can get banged up.
They have a pretty good run game right now, so
he's got a very good offensive coach Dave Kanalis, and
the Panthers have two running backs, Chuba Hubbard and Rico Dawdle.
Those are good players, and they have upgraded their defense.
I think Dan Morgan's actually a really sharp former player,
really sharp GM. The guys in the league I know,
(36:56):
really like Dan Morgan. I think Canalis is good. Now,
I'm not blame. I'm not saying that Bryce Young's only
good because of them, because nobody's good with bad gms
and bad coaches. I think Bryce Young is one of
those guys like I like Bryce Young. I think he
has more talent than Daniel Jones. Daniel's bigger, OK. I
think Daniel's got a better arm and is bigger. I
think I think Bryce Young's more talented. I think he's
(37:19):
got I think he's just more efficient, more accurate. So
I think there's those guys like Daniel Jones and Bryce Young.
I think they're franchise quarterback. The number has to be
in the thirties. And then you have to be like,
you know, nine to twelve percent of the salary cap.
You can't be twenty six percent.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Colin, You're right.
Speaker 6 (37:38):
So maybe we need new a new label from franchise
quarterback well thirty five mil versus dak because if you
look at the AFC standings, college take look the playoff teams,
look at all the top teams. Tell me what you
one of those guys are franchise quarterback because Bo Nicks
and Drake may top two seeds rookie quarterback deal. They're
franchise quarterbacks on a rookie deal. Like Trevor Laura hasn't
(38:00):
totally kicked in. Lamar Jackson's barely in there. They're paying
Lamar Herbert rookie deal, Daniel Jones small deal. Look who's
on the outside, Patrick Mahomes, you got Pamela Joe Burrow.
I know he's been hurt, but franchise quarterback money matters.
Speaker 7 (38:15):
I don't know how we re.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
I think there's three kind of quarterbacks in the NFL
franchise bridge and backup.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
On the bridge.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I think Bryce Young is a guy that you get
a favorable deal on and then you start drafting quarterbacks
from the third and fourth round because he's injury prone,
and you just every.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Other year, let's just draft a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Now.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I used to think that about Dak and it takes
a while. Now Dak's in his tenth year and he's
literally as good as anybody in the league this year, consistently,
he and Stafford. So I think it's hard. Quarterback's the
hardest position. I mean, if you go look at the
thirty best offensive tackles in league history, twenty seven are
drafted in the first round. Most of your great edge
rushers and defensive tackles first round. But there are positions
(39:02):
like quarterback where Dak fourth round. I mean, just start
start looking around. Jalen Hurt, second round, Baker third or
fourth team. Sam Darnold the world gave up on him,
brought pretty seventh round.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
So it's it's it's not easy.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Quarterback is leadership and toughness and guile and and pre snap.
It's a really hard position. There are three categories. You're
a franchise guy Justin Herbert, You're a bridge guy Jacoby Brissett,
and then you're a backup whoever you want to. You know,
Zach Wilson, You know, I think the tough one is
when you get a Bryce Young and you're like, all right,
(39:39):
we like him. He falls in the Baker class. I'm
not paying him forty nine fifty four million a year,
but I'll.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Be honest with three he's good.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Colin Drake may fifty mil. They're gonna be fine. Oh hell,
I'll be dead serious. I don't think you can pay
bo Nick's fifty million dollars a year. Let's get expect
Denver to compete. Yeah, I don't think you can.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Let's let's give him another ten to fifteen starts. Let's
give Caleb another ten to fifteen starts. I do think Caleb,
if you're talking, if you're telling me, he's going to
complete fifty eight percent of his throws at some point
if you pay him. I mean, if they paid Caleb
Williams this season. Could you keep Joe Tooney? Could you
keep DJ Moore?
Speaker 6 (40:16):
Could you?
Speaker 3 (40:16):
I mean you couldn't. Could you keep Jalen Johnson
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Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Joel
cladd in one hour two try to unravel the twenty
twenty five latest edition of the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
The twelve team Playoff. Now again.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
You have an ACC championship game, an SEC championship game,
a big twelve championship game to be played. But I
just want to talk about this for a second. It's
so confusing. March Madness has sixty eight teams easier to
explain than this. I can explain over the next five
(01:16):
minutes the blockchain easier than I can The College Football Playoff.
Miami is ten and two, has beaten Notre Dame head
to head and they're not in the ACC title game.
You know who is seven and five, Duke, And if
Duke wins the ACC title game over Virginia, it blows
up the ACC and nobody gets.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
In from the conference.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
How do you how do you make a conference championship game?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And if you win it a heroic seven and five.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Teams in the ACC championship ten and two, Miami's not
and if Duke wins, nobody gets in from the ACC.
Basically what we learned yesterday. The committee said, Yeah, I know,
Miami that you beat Notre Dame, and I know that
you're ten and two and have impressive wins. You're not
in and an hammering pit in cold weather up north.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
That didn't impress us either.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Okay, this is a perfect time to go back to
my ten to twenty year rant on the ridiculousness of
college football. Eight billion dollar industry, no centralized figure, no ceo,
no Dana White is ridiculous. And whenever anybody says college
football is better than the NFL, no it's not. You
can't have a great movie with a bad ending. You
(02:29):
can't have a great movie with a bad ending. Once again,
we're left with this nebulous cloud trying to decipher what matters.
I thought scheduling big, tough road games matters. Yeah, Texas
did see you. I thought winning big games mattered well.
Texas beat Oklahoma. That was a pretty big game. Texas
has three wins, beat Texas A and M beat Vandy.
(02:54):
That doesn't matter because they lost to Ohio State. I
thought bad losses pun a well. Last year Notre Dame
made the Natty, they lost a Northern Illinois at home.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I mean, it's unbelievable. It's just unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I mean, ask yourself, have you ever watched the NFL
playoffs and said, I like it, but I can't quite
figure it out. I mean, occasionally in the NFL you'll
have like a team of the losing record have a
home playoff game, but we all know why.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
We don't have to like it, but we know why.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Because they want a division and they're playing a team
that was a wildcard team with the better record.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
That happens occasionally.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
But the simplest way to explain what happened last night,
and again we still have championship games to be played.
The simplest way to explain last night is Notre Dame
is in and Miami and Texas are out, and Miami
has an impressive win. Texas has several, but I guess
Notre Dame doesn't have a really really bad loss. So
(03:52):
Texas and Miami have you know. I mean, Texas has
multiple big wins, but that Florida loss that's the kapper,
and Notre Dame doesn't really have a great win that
you could say USC. But USC has not played well
the last two years in the Big Ten on road,
cold weather games.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
They just haven't. So it's funny.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
In the last thirty years in college football, first we
had the media select who played for the Natty, then
it was the computers, and now we're down to an
arbitrary committee where it's math meets selective feelings. Again, whenever
you argue college football is better than the pros, what
you're saying is NFL great beginning, great middle, great end
(04:39):
is not as good as a movie with an atrocious ending.
Even the Lane Kiffinsaga they can't even get their calendar right.
And I love college football, so I'm not going to
hyperventilate too much on the rankings. I'd put Miami in.
I think Texas deserves a shot. I don't have a
problem with Notre Dame being in, but it is remarkable
that Duke at seven and five is in the ACC
(05:00):
championship game and if they win, they not only don't
get in, nobody in the conference does.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
That is absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
That's why urban Meyer came on my show earlier this
week and said, get rid of the committee.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I think the committee's got to go away.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
You have Chris Fhlik, you got the Bear, you got
mark Ingram, you got Matt Liner, Brady Quinn, urban Meyer,
There's a bunch of national titles. Heisman's a bunch of
football guys. That's what they do. I mean, weird gam
near in fistfights in that green room, getting ready to
go on Big Noon because everybody's.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Got and we can't agree. So how in the world are.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Athletic Director's Conference committe How are they coming up with
who's going to be in this in the playoffs? So
I'm a big believer in the four four two two
one one that was presented earlier about the committee goes away,
the conferences take care of it.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Uh, the ACC is this weird, convoluted Ponzi scheme. I'm
almost roote now for Duke to meet Virginia. So nobody
gets in from the ACC we know Miami should, and
then everybody has to sit down and go this is ridiculous.
I mean it's been ridiculous forever. It used to be computers.
Now it's math and selective feelings. Take a deep breath.
(06:19):
We still have championship games coming up. Maybe it'll get better.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So Ben Roethlisberger, who carries a lot of weight with
the Pittsburgh Steelers, his voice carries He is now joining
the fans and the media and privately there is a discussion.
There's tension between Tomlin and the ownership. Here's Big Ben
(06:47):
on the Mike Tomlin future discussion.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
It's being talked about around here a lot. Maybe it's time,
Maybe it's a clean house time. Maybe it is Maybe
it's time. And I like coach Tomlin. I have a
lot of respect coach Tomlin. But maybe it's best for
him too. Maybe a fresh start for him is what's best.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
This is what I agree with. Big Ben's right.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Ask yourself this Sometimes people, I would include myself in this.
I like fresh starts. Some people have to be pushed
into him. But a lot of times, be honest, did
your wife, your kids, a friend convince you, you know
what this job?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
You need a fresh start.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You're kind of getting tired, you've lost your energy, and
you do it. You got to be pushed into it.
It ends up being the greatest movie of your career.
I think that's what Mike Tomlin needs. Think about this.
Since Mike Tomlin's last playoff win, his last playoff win,
Donald Trump hadn't been inaugurated the first time show hey
(07:48):
O Taani was still playing baseball in Japan. Sam Darnold
just beat Penn State in a Rose Bowl. Kevin Durant.
It was his first sea with the Warriors. Sean McVay
had not coached a single game for the Rams. This
isn't like just happening or in the last couple years
(08:16):
Sam Darnold was in college.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I mean, come on, it's time.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And I've said in my career I'm not out the
fire people, but when somebody's going to get a job
pretty quickly after, I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
It's time.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I mean, this has been like a seven year leaky
roof and Pittsburgh just keeps putting buckets all over the
living room and kitchen. This offense has been dreadful bottom
ten for years. Aaron Rodgers, he'll save the day. Arthur Smith,
he'll save the day. It doesn't matter. You can keep
running through great receivers. NFL coach is not a Supreme
(08:55):
Court justice. It's not a lifetime appointment. Mike Tomlin is
not a college professor. He's not tenured. Whatever is happening
in his personal life, I don't know, and I don't care.
But what I know right now is this is a
seven to eight year leaky roof. Fix the roof. Stop
(09:17):
just putting buckets around the house. Twenty twenty five Pittsburgh
Steelers once again feel out of touch with the league
offensively and kind of outdated Defensively, old defensive coaches Belichick,
Pete Carroll, Mike Tomlin a few years ago, Ron Rivera,
Lovey Smith. Those defensive coaches do not age as well
(09:42):
you can. I tend to think offensive coaches tend to
be more curious. They're play designers where you have to be.
Current defensive coaches tend to be about brute strength and aggressive,
which doesn't owe as necessarily for people or businesses or teams.
Age well, but if Big Ben entered the fray, you
gotta take it seriously. J Mac, Joel kladd In one hour,
(10:05):
Albert Breer, Alexi Lawless. We're gonna have the World Cup
draw on Friday, which is gonna be unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Can't wait for that? He can. I ask you real.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Quick about this Tomlin stuff, because I'm kind of on
the other side, Colin. I've seen some of these franchises.
You move off a good coach and it may take
you a while to find a great replacement. I mean,
we've seen this for quarterbacks. I mean, I hope you
can't just save Mike.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
We're done. You need a game plan. Who you got?
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Give me five names you think we could realistically get
to shape the franchise going forward, because.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
They would all be offensive. You know, Brian Dabele is
somebody I would strongly consider.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I mean to remember.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Firing Domlin to hire a guy who couldn't get his
act together in New York over.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, but New York's got worse ownership New York's front office.
Has Ben Wonky contextualize it. The Giants have run through everybody.
The Steelers generally aren't chaotic. They underperform, but they haven't
had a lose season in twenty one years. When's the
last time the Giants had a winning season. So Brian
Dabele would be I mean, Brian Dables won a playoff
(11:07):
game in the last eight years with Daniel Jones, who
Indiana or the Indianapolis Colts may regret now with the
Sauce Gardner move. So I Brian Dabele would be at
the top. And again, there's always a Liam Cohen out
there hunt around. There's always a Ben Johnson somewhere, But
I Brian Daboles the obvious one to me that just
jumps out.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
And do you think Tomlin goes back into coaching, because, yeah,
the Titans have an opening, the Jets could have an opening,
the Browns could have an opening in the division.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
I think people would be really interested.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Tomlin's not quite in the Verbel Harbaugh boat, is he
of like that guy's gonna work? Remember those guys when
they were on the market, it was like, that's a
slam doup.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Let me throw this one out. Mike McCarthy, all he
does is win twelve games in Green Bay in Dallas
like him, you know, I mean, Mike McCarthy. Brian Dable
offensive guy. Whether you like them or not, it is
in undeniable. I mean, Ryan Dable is the one that
pushed for Jackson Dart in New York and you're watching
Jackson Dart and it's like, oh, that's a franchise quarterback.
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Nobody the rest of the league wasn't clamoring for Jackson Dart.
So if you look at Jackson Dart's completion percentages running,
if you can stay out of the blue tent, which
by the way, Drake may first year was in the
blue tan. Lot guys are in the blue tent when
they're young, then they get hit a few times.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
End of year two they're out of it.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And I think Jackson Dart after that hit against New
England in the first quarter, may be avoiding hits from
this point forward. But the point is Brian Dable won
a playoff game. Brian Dable like Jackson Dart. Brian Dable
I think can coach in the NFL and he would
get a less chaotic ownership group.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I think you to consider him.
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Speaker 1 (13:19):
Joel Klatt, who called Ohio State Michigan, he'll be calling
Ohio State Indiana. He's getting some good games. So I
guess this is we both love this sport. I guess
I guess where I feel bad. So Miami's going we
beat him head to head. Yeah, and Texas is going
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we beat three top dead teams. And the Committee's like, well,
Notre Dame didn't really have a quality win, but they had.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
No bad losses.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I don't know if that's how she we should measure greatness.
I like Notre Dame as a program, shouldn't doesn't Miami
have a real case here?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Of course?
Speaker 9 (13:59):
Of course, of course Miami has a real case and
Texas has a real case, and there's so many ways
to go. Let me, let me just start with like,
the problem is obviously the format obviously right, because we're
trying to have this selection based playoff and it doesn't
matter if you have computers do it or people do it.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Like it's subjective.
Speaker 9 (14:23):
And there's no way that you can rank the criteria,
or or at least they don't rank the criteria and
tell us which one is going to take precedent over
the other. So there's all different types of critera. You
can take a head to head criteria or resume criteria,
the eye test criteria, did you get to a conference
championship game? What did your schedule look like in particular
in the non conference, And yet we don't rank those
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So what value does any of those criteria actually have
towards the ranking? Well, we don't know, and I think
that's the arbitrary nature of it is what's frustrating. I've
argued for a long time that we need to define
the path you see, like for instance, in every other sport,
all always in.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Forever, what do we do to break tiebreakers?
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Colin?
Speaker 9 (15:03):
The first one is head to head always, always, And
so here's the thing with Notre Dame. I don't think
they're just in. I know that they're not going to
play another game in Miami is not going to play
another game, But but they have this buffer that is BYU.
And so if you actually play this out, I think
Notre Dame is actually more likely to miss the playoff
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than make the playoff.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
And here's why.
Speaker 9 (15:27):
If BYU wins in the Big twelve championship game and
beats Texas Tech, they get an automatic spot, and there's
almost no scenario where Tech falls behind Notre Dame. Therefore,
Notre Dame would fall fall out now if BYU loses
to Texas Tech, maybe similar fashion to the way they
lost already this year when they played Tech twenty nine
to seven. It was a dominant victory for the Red Raiders.
(15:49):
Wouldn't BYU almost assuredly just fall maybe one spot or
two spots in the rankings behind Miami, which then would
promote a direct comparison with what we're talking about, two
TA teams right next to each other, same record, with
a head to head result. So I think Notre Dame's
actually in a really precarious spot right now.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I listen, I you know me, I like big brands.
I want Notre Dame in Miami and Texas all in right,
Like that's what.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I'm rooting for.
Speaker 9 (16:17):
I think Texas is cooked. I don't see the way
they get in. I know, but it's isn't unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Beat Oklahoma like a drum dominated, bandy dominated and they
lose to Ohio State by seven. From that point forward,
Ohio State won by an average of thirty one. That
the only team that played a super close game in
Columbus four new offensive linemen and you're like, best college
defense probably either one of us has seen in half
a decade.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
And they lose by.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
A touchdown and Texas didn't play well, and you're like,
I don't know, Like, listen, they don't match up with Georgia.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
They just don't.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
That happens. They don't match up with Georgia. Let me
ask you this, Indiana scheduled a week at a conference
schedule right now, they'd have a buye. What if Indiana
gets smoked? What if it is thirty eight seventeen and
it looks like the Indiana Notre Dame game last year?
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What if Indiana gets smoked? What happens to them.
Speaker 9 (17:16):
I don't think they fall out of by territory, and
the reason is that Oregon will act as a buffer. Remember,
they beat Oregon, so like Oregon is their floor. So
even if they fall down with what they've done this year,
they're probably still going to remain in the top four.
Even if they were to get Now, I don't think
they'll get smoked. I think that's a very good and
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complete team. Now, did they play a soft non conference.
There's no doubt that they played a soft non conference.
But I don't see a situation where either the loser
of the Big Ten championship game, Ohio State or Indiana
falls out of a position where they're getting a buye
in the first round of the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Okay, what if, okay, Bama went to Georgia. It's one
of the I mean, honestly, one of the most perfect
game plans I've ever seen. They beat Georgie in Athens.
They were flawless, one of the best haves of football
played by anybody this year. What if Georgia beats them?
And by the way, George and Kirby Smart don't beat
Alabama much like it that you talk about a matchup.
Georgia doesn't beat Bama, Texas doesn't beat Georgia. What if
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Bama gets smacked, can they get knocked out?
Speaker 9 (18:17):
I think possibly, Although the history and the president from
the committee last year was that they weren't going to
penalize teams for losing conference championship games. And we saw
that when SMU lost to Clemson, you remember, and Clemson
got the automatic berth but then SMU stayed in the
College Football Playoff that went to Penn State and lost
in the first round. So President would tell you that
this committee is going to value conference championship games and
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not not knock a team for losing that now here,
let me just say this sake of argument, let's just
pull ourselves out thirty thousand foot view for a moment,
because that would suggest that this committee is trying to
protect or value conference championship games. And I would make
the argument that in college football for the last ten
and twenty years, we have done a really poor job
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of trying to protect and value things that are obviously
going to die, like amateurism and bowl games, for example.
These are things that obviously don't fit in what's going
to happen in the future of our sport, and the
fact that they didn't move off of amateurism early led
to the chaos that we have now with the transfer
portal and the revenue share. The fact that they won't
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move off of bowl games gives us a regular season
and then playoff that leaks into the NFL playoffs that
leaks into the transfer portal late into January. So we're
not nimble in college football. And if you protect a
conference championship game, the writing is on the wall Colin.
These games are being devalued. There's no reason to protect those.
So if Bamba were to get smacked, I could see
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a situation where, depending on what happens in the BYU
Texas second game, they get in, maybe Miami gets in,
and maybe you know, they take another look at Texas
in that regard. But I do think that we need
to start putting the right value in the right spots.
I think that we need to start talking about defining
the path to the playoff rather than having a selection
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based committee playoff. These things would be better for the sport.
Not to get two long winded, but just for an example,
just for an example, imagine this weekend, if we had
a play in weekend. And this didn't live in a
committee room, but it lived on the field where we
had based on where you finished in your conference, automatic
bursts per conference, maybe four each for the Big guys
SEC and Big Ten, maybe two each for the ACC
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and the Big twelve, and then you would get matchups
this weekend colin like Texas at Texas A and m
winner goes to the playoff, BYU Utah winner goes to
the playoff, Miami Duke winner goes to the playoff. So
we would be able to say, hey, listen, rather than
just sitting there and watching your TV and seeing if
a committee puts you in, you control your own fate.
Go play a football game for sixty minutes, and if
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you can win that game, then you're going to go
on into a fourteen team playoff.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
That's what I.
Speaker 9 (20:51):
Would do, But no one's making me commissioner yet. If
you've got that power, please do so.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
If I was commissioner, I would say head to head
one quality wins too. That to me should be It
would clarity would be pretty easy. I mean Texas would
be in Notre Dame would not be like head to
head matters quality because I want better scheduling.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I would take it away from at large. I just don't.
Speaker 9 (21:16):
I don't like this idea that we're just like selecting teams. Now,
even if you define the criterion valued them as you're
saying in a particular order, that would help, That would
certainly help. I would just rather put it on the field.
I would rather have a play in weekend. A play
in weekend with fourteen teams would create more value at
the top because there would only.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Be two buys.
Speaker 9 (21:36):
So you're really creating a top end incentive for those
teams to play hard late into the season, the best
teams in the country, and more access and control at
the bottom. You know, That's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Okay, I got three things, though, I'm going to get
to Penn State Lane Kiffin before I do that. I
could see Ryan Day wants them in every game, but
the conference championship, for like Ohio State, means nothing. I
don't want guys hurt takeaways. And I also, I'm going
to have to play somebody I don't want them seeing,
you know, I want them to have to go back
eight games to find some of my tricks. I could
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see Ohio State saying, you know, any player that's kind
of banged up, you're not playing and kind of doing
a vanilla playbook, and then they lose. Because if I'm
the bottom line is if I beat Michigan and winning Natty,
nobody gives a rip about Indiana.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
You beat Michigan, you win a Natty.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So I guess my question is is it possible we're
going to get a really flat, uninspired Buckeye team this weekend?
Speaker 9 (22:32):
I don't think so, because they've been business like the
entire year. It didn't matter if we saw them at
you know, I saw him play Rutgers, I saw him
play Illinois, and they were the same every single week.
And I feel like we're going to get the same
business like approach from the Buckeyes. Let's also keep in
mind this is a program. None of these players have
won a Big Ten title. This is not like old
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hat for Ohio State. We might feel like that because
we've seen Ohio State of recent vintage, but this program
hasn't won a Big Ten title since twenty twenty. They're
gonna want to go out there and put their best
foot forward. There's also more on the line when you
think about the Heisman Trophy. Julian sayin is going to
have to play well in order to win the game,
in order to win the Heisman Trophy. So I still
think that there's a lot on the line. The number
one seed overall in the playoff is going to be beneficial.
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You'd rather play the number four team in the country
in the semi final than the number two or three
team in the semi final. So all of those things
I think will be incentive for them to go put
their best foot forward.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Okay, let's get to Kiffin.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Listen, I've said, don't marry the rock star and be
shocked when he says, I got to go on tour
for a couple of months. Yeah, Ole Miss would have
signed up for where they're at today five years ago. Sure,
number one offense in the country eleven wins, but he's
going to burn you on the way out. Ole Miss
would have signed up for that. So I don't have
(23:51):
When you go into business or you go into a relationship,
as long as you get full disclosure, and there was
on Lane Kiffin, I don't have a lot of sympathy
for all Miss. They benefited just like everybody that hires
Lane does. Your offense gets better, you get talked about
there's controversy and social media. I mean, I guess the
whole thing doesn't bother me as much as it probably
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bothers everybody else, does it? Well?
Speaker 6 (24:13):
You, I just.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
Everything that you said is correct, nothing you said is
wrong there. Yeah, I mean he's got the five messiest
exits in maybe football history. I mean, think about it,
Al Davis with the overhead projector you got the Tennessee debacle.
He's left on the tarmac and usc Saban told him
to chick Rocks before the National Championship game. And now
here at Old Miss. So everything that you're saying, yes,
(24:36):
if you're Old Miss again, Ole Miss, the program, the administration,
I'm sure that this is kind of like, yeah, maybe
this was always in the cards, or certainly we could
expect this. But I think of it not from the
Old Miss perspective, and I think of it from the
player's perspective. If you're one of those players and you're
sitting in the meetings in August in early September and
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they're talking about team tea first and committing and let's
go achieve something and here are our team goals, well
he just left that team and they are going to
field spurred and trust me, Like you're seeing articles out
there where some of these players are are pushing back
on this narrative that Lane, you know, wanted to coach
and they wanted him to coach, and they're like, no,
you know, we feel pretty betrayed by Lane Kiffen and
(25:22):
rightly so, Listen, I don't begrudge this man his movement,
and he's going to go, and he thought LSU was
going to be a better opportunity for he and his family,
you know, more power to him, but that doesn't mean
that there are not consequences to those decisions. And he
did leave a team high and dry, and he left
those players high and dry. That's going to hurt his
credibility moving forward. And he also went to a place that,
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let's face it is not as sound foundationally. They might
have more resources, but it's certainly a lot more crazy
at LSU. It's like, listen, you know, you can go
with a six to prom and that six is going
to be committed to you. You take the nine, she
might be great, all right, that's a good way to
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put it.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Okay, you and I did not like Penn State. They
did not like you and I didn't like Penn State
abruptly canning James Franklin. Well, now what's happened is the
power brokers who run this sport, the agents are freezing
out Penn State and they have like the recruiting class
I'm surprised they haven't called me. They are not recruiting
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anybody like like there, Montana is gonna have a better
recruiting classy than Penn State. So I what do you
think happens?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
It's a good job.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
It's a good job, but unfortunately for them, and then
I know that people involved it has been mismanaged. I
think that they had a plan when they fired James Franklin,
and I think that that plan involved Kurt Signetti, and
Kurt Signetty was like, Nope, that ain't that ain't my bag.
And once that happened, then they were behind the eight ball.
And now they've been gotten passed up by these other programs.
(27:00):
So I think here's the thing. I think that Penn
State went after Kloni Sataki pretty hard, and Crumble Cookie
came in and said, our cookies are delicious and they're
making a lot of money. And no, and if you
don't know that, the Crumble Cookie guy is a BYU guy,
and he came in with a lot of it. It's
a big meme and it's fantastic. So now I think
that there's probably a couple of guys that they're still
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in talks with and trying to get. I think Brian
dave Ball is still in play. I think Jeff Brahm
at Louisville is still in play. And the fact that
it hasn't happened yet. And today, by the way, is
National Signing Day, Early signing day. Players can recruits can
sign to your school today. And Penn State doesn't have
a coach, which is wild. It speaks to the possible
mismanagement of what's going on, or at least it's going
off the rails, and they don't have a coach, which
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also leads me to believe that something is up their sleeve. Colin,
I think that they are targeting a coach that is
still playing this week.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
And if you just.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
Go process of elimination, this is not information that I've
heard from anybody. If process of elimination, think, well, Kirby's
not going anywhere. Sotaki told him, no, Joey Maguire's not
going anywhere. Both guys in the American at two Lane
in North Texas. Some are all and Eric Morris they
already have a place to go. Is it Tony Elliott
at Virginia possibly, Manny Diaz at at Duke possibly? Or
(28:16):
is it Kaylin de Boor at Alabama? I think that
they might be going after a guy that is coaching
this week, which is why it's bleeding into the signing day.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Caitlin de Boor, by the way, is a Midwest guy, isn't.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
He got has started in South Dakota. How about that again?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I haven't.
Speaker 9 (28:40):
No one's told me that officially, but I if you
just play that out, like why do you not have
a coach yet? He's got to still be coaching? That's
that's pretty good closure right there. You just went Mariano
Rivera on us. That was a pretty good clothes right.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Cut her in on the hands.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Just okay, Well, I'm gonna enjoy the games you have Indiana,
Ohio State. I like Ohio State. Man.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
You're getting good games. You love it.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Did you get a job promotion here at the company
they're giving you a good games?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
No?
Speaker 9 (29:13):
No, they said that I've been I've been doing a
good job on these hits. So this is its reward
for doing a good job here, Joe Clatt, good thing,
see you, brother.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
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Speaker 6 (29:29):
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Speaker 3 (29:50):
Fired up for that Fired up for that draw. I
know you are well.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
It's time for the Honorable Judge Cowhard presiding in the
court of my opinion today. You give me all the quarterbacks,
all the young quarterbacks in the league twenty twenty four class.
I am ready. Let's make judgments fire away, all.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Right, Do you accept the case that Caleb Williams is
a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Let me direct your attention to Caleb's star witnesses, head
coach Ben Johnson. One of the best passers on third
down Thanks to Ben Johnson fourth highest touchdown interception ratio
thirty seven touchdown to eleven picks since he entered the league.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Yes, okay, Oh boy, what a lenient judge.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
Do you accept the case that Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
Is a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Now, everyone rise and raise your right hand for Jaden's
left elbow. Yes, listen, highest completion percentage by any rookie
quarterback ever. He is a highly mobile, highly accurate, highly coachable,
really bright kid who's injury prone.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
The verdict is yes, he's a franchise guy.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
I like how they got a photo of you smiling.
Judges should be serious. Do you accept the case that
Drake May is a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I would like to state for the record that Drake
May is arguably the best quarterback out of the twenty
twenty four draft class. Yes, on pace to be the
second youngest quarterback to lead the NFL in passer rating.
Who's number one, Dan Marino. Greatness in a league of
mediocrity is easy to spot.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Drake May is great.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
Right now we get to the hard ones.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Colin, do you accept the case that Michael Pennix is
a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
As your judge, you are instructed to disregard what you
saw at the University of War Washington. He just had
his third major knee surgery in his young career. No
is the answer. He is a pure pocket passer, I
said when he came out early injury would scare me
right now as wins are over. JJ McCarthy, Marcus Mariota,
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and Drew Locke so far, No, not a franchise court.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
Yeah, all right, I kind of agree. Do you accept
the case that J.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
J McCarthy, after like seven starts is a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
As I stated earlier, the evidence does not support any
argument that JJ is ready to start a franchise. That
my Kings have averaged seventeen points a game when he starts.
His completion percentage is rough fifty four percent. Passer rating
minimum hundred attempts, minimum one hundred and tenths fifty eight.
(32:52):
There's no evidence to support, as your judge, there is
no evidence to support he's a franchise quartervent.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
All right?
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Do you accept the case that bo Nicks is a
franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Remember, J mac, we are all under oath to solemnly
swear that bow Nicks is ready to lead a franchise. Listen,
he leaves the NFL the last two years with eight
game winning drive There is an it quality to being
a franchise guy in this league. You can be great early,
but if you shrink late, No thanks. He can struggle early.
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He and Caleb both can they rise late. That's a
franchise quarterback.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
And finally, do you accept the case that Spencer Rattler
is a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Stating his full name for the record, Spencer Benson Rattler. No,
he is a backup quarterback. I mean, come on, he's
one in thirteen, twelve touchdowns, fifteen giveaways, and a passer
rating under Rady. He's talented. He reminds me of Drew Lock.
I can see the talent. I know he's got a
good arm. I know he moves. Okay, you gotta games,
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got to make good decisions. You see who the Saints
replaced him with last week a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Yeah, Tyler. Yeah, I forgot about Spencer Ratler honestly. But listen,
you're a lenient judge, Colin.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
Let's be real.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
It's a little early on Pennix and McCarthy given the injuries.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
I mean, Pennis barely started last year.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I will say, of all these, I feel very strongly,
what's really the Michael Pennock's injury his third ye is.
So I think if you're Atlanta now you've got to
start drafting a backup quarterback because he has him an
elite and he can't stay healthy. I've said this with
JJ McCarthy. You would know if he could stay healthy,
if he was the guy by now. That's the worst part.
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You don't think he is, but you don't really know
because he's not available to start. Bonix and Caleb Williams
Boenix doesn't get sacked and he's durable. Caleb doesn't throw
picks and they're durable, and they're both great late. So
I don't expect everybody to be Drake May. I will say,
we talked about this yesterday. If you go back to
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the last and I don't top of my head, thirty drafts,
you get one franchise quarterback, no doubt about it. Good
guy can make a Pro Bowl or two or three
or four. You get one franchise quarterback every draft. I
think quarterback plays better now in college you may get
two now, but you get a star about every four
to five years. You get a Drake may or you
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I mean, Drake May is a star. Drake May is a.
They don't even have a good old line or a
good run game, and they maybe the number one seed
with Denver. You have a stack from Denver's roster Chicago's roster.
There's no holes, right, I mean like New England's roster.
I don't like their own line or their run game,
and they have no number one receiver. Drake may is
what you get every every fourth draft, like a star.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
So I don't like to throw around franchise quarterback tag.
So I'll ask you, like, is Baker Mayfield the franchise
quarterback He's on like his sixth team? Okay, Sam Donald,
I'm assuming you think is a franchise yes, okay, Well
if that's the case, then yes, I will agree with
some of these colins.
Speaker 7 (36:06):
But let me ask you about Bryce Young because last year,
if you had asked franchise, go at hell nough right, this.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Year you're like, I can see him being my quarterback
for the next two or.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Three Okay, So this is good. So you and I
have talked about this. Put it in context. Sam Darnold's
a franchise quarterback at thirty three million a year, right, Yes,
that's Baker who can be reckless? Is a franchise quarterback
at thirty five million year. I would keep Bryce Young
at thirty three. I'm letting him go if the demand
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is forty six. He is small, he can get banged up.
They have a pretty good run game right now, so
he's got a very good offensive coach Dave Kanalis, and
the Panthers have two running backs, Chuba Hubbard and Rico Dawdle.
Those are good players, and they have upgraded their defense.
I think Dan Morgan's actually a really sharp former player,
really sharp GM. The guys in the league I know,
(36:56):
really like Dan Morgan. I think Canalis is good. Now,
I'm not blame. I'm not saying that Bryce Young's only
good because of them, because nobody's good with bad gms
and bad coaches. I think Bryce Young is one of
those guys like I like Bryce Young. I think he
has more talent than Daniel Jones. Daniel's bigger, OK. I
think Daniel's got a better arm and is bigger. I
think I think Bryce Young's more talented. I think he's
(37:19):
got I think he's just more efficient, more accurate. So
I think there's those guys like Daniel Jones and Bryce Young.
I think they're franchise quarterback. The number has to be
in the thirties. And then you have to be like,
you know, nine to twelve percent of the salary cap.
You can't be twenty six percent.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Colin, You're right.
Speaker 6 (37:38):
So maybe we need new a new label from franchise
quarterback well thirty five mil versus dak because if you
look at the AFC standings, college take look the playoff teams,
look at all the top teams. Tell me what you
one of those guys are franchise quarterback because Bo Nicks
and Drake may top two seeds rookie quarterback deal. They're
franchise quarterbacks on a rookie deal. Like Trevor Laura hasn't
(38:00):
totally kicked in. Lamar Jackson's barely in there. They're paying
Lamar Herbert rookie deal, Daniel Jones small deal. Look who's
on the outside, Patrick Mahomes, you got Pamela Joe Burrow.
I know he's been hurt, but franchise quarterback money matters.
Speaker 7 (38:15):
I don't know how we re.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
I think there's three kind of quarterbacks in the NFL
franchise bridge and backup.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
On the bridge.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I think Bryce Young is a guy that you get
a favorable deal on and then you start drafting quarterbacks
from the third and fourth round because he's injury prone,
and you just every.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Other year, let's just draft a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Now.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I used to think that about Dak and it takes
a while. Now Dak's in his tenth year and he's
literally as good as anybody in the league this year, consistently,
he and Stafford. So I think it's hard. Quarterback's the
hardest position. I mean, if you go look at the
thirty best offensive tackles in league history, twenty seven are
drafted in the first round. Most of your great edge
rushers and defensive tackles first round. But there are positions
(39:02):
like quarterback where Dak fourth round. I mean, just start
start looking around. Jalen Hurt, second round, Baker third or
fourth team. Sam Darnold the world gave up on him,
brought pretty seventh round.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
So it's it's it's not easy.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Quarterback is leadership and toughness and guile and and pre snap.
It's a really hard position. There are three categories. You're
a franchise guy Justin Herbert, You're a bridge guy Jacoby Brissett,
and then you're a backup whoever you want to. You know,
Zach Wilson, You know, I think the tough one is
when you get a Bryce Young and you're like, all right,
(39:39):
we like him. He falls in the Baker class. I'm
not paying him forty nine fifty four million a year,
but I'll.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Be honest with three he's good.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Colin Drake may fifty mil. They're gonna be fine. Oh hell,
I'll be dead serious. I don't think you can pay
bo Nick's fifty million dollars a year. Let's get expect
Denver to compete. Yeah, I don't think you can.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Let's let's give him another ten to fifteen starts. Let's
give Caleb another ten to fifteen starts. I do think Caleb,
if you're talking, if you're telling me, he's going to
complete fifty eight percent of his throws at some point
if you pay him. I mean, if they paid Caleb
Williams this season. Could you keep Joe Tooney? Could you
keep DJ Moore?
Speaker 6 (40:16):
Could you?
Speaker 3 (40:16):
I mean you couldn't. Could you keep Jalen Johnson
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