December 18, 2025 • 40 mins
Colin Cowherd breaks down Thursday Night Football with a deep dive into the Seahawks vs. Rams matchup, analyzing what’s at stake and why the roster-building philosophies of both franchises offer a blueprint that other NFL teams should be copying.
NFL Films analyst Greg Cosell joins the show for expert NFL film breakdown, discussing how Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles offense have found their rhythm again and what adjustments have fueled their resurgence. Plus, Cosell examines what the Packers defense could look like without Micah Parsons.
To wrap things up, Colin delivers his “Holiday Apology Letters,” owning up to past takes about some of the biggest names in sports, including Aaron Rodgers, Dak Prescott, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
One of the games of the year tonight Rams at
the Seahawks. We're live on a Thursday, Greg Cosell an
hour from now. It's The Herd wherever you may be,
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the New York Giants. They'll have the number one pick
and may have to decide between Jack and Dart and
Fernando Mendoza. You know what side I'm on. I want
to I want to start the show with. This is
h J McK and I front and center. Every day
we put our face on our opinions and the Internet
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is mostly about Captain Hindsights afg's after the fact geniuses.
Everybody's so smart after the fact. But I want to
talk about Rams Seahawks. I want you to think about
this because it feels so obvious. What I'm going to
say right now feel so obvious. I mean, you guys
knew it would work. The Rams had a Pro Bowl
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quarterback in Jared Goff who'd been to a Super Bowl,
just entering his prime, and Sean McVay said, you know,
I'm gonna give up two first round picks. I'm gonna
pay Jared Goff salary and the new guys salary, and
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i want Matt Stafford with a losing record in Detroit,
who in twelve years had never won a playoff game,
had only made it three times and was zero to three.
And I'm gonna let you look at the numbers of
Matt Stafford. They're totally unremarkable. And that's with the second
greatest receiving talent I've ever seen, behind Randy moss In
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Calvin Johnson. So he had the ultimate number one receiver.
He was seventy four and ninety completed sixty two percent
of his throws, his passer rating in the eighties, and
did not have a two to one touchdown to interception
ratio with Calvin Johnson and Sean McVay is like, yeah,
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I'm gonna pay his salary. I'm gonna pay Jared Goff salary.
Stafford's haid that you know what beat out of him
for twelve years, never won a playoff game. Goff just
made the Super Bowl. Let's pull a trigger on that.
That is a big front and center swing by Les
Snead and Sean McVay. And it's the kind of move
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first year in I mean, Stafford still led the NFL
and interceptions. He and McVay were trying to figure it
out as the season was going on. So it's easy
now to go, I knew this thing would be money, dude.
It never won a playoff game. Average quarterbacks in average
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franchises in twelve years will win a playoff game. And
it's the same with John Snyder the Seattle GM. Pete
Carroll very popular in Seattle, two Super bowls, had a
trophy beloved, had just had another winning season, and John
Snyder fired him off a winning season. The most popular
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coach or manager in Seattle maybe ever fired him and
John Snyder also with Sam Darnald irrupting in those games.
Remember against the Rams and against the Lions. Everybody was like,
that's who Donald is. Oh, that's who Sammy is. Stay away,
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and Snyder goes, no, I'm gonna pay him pretty good money.
We're gonna go with Sam Darnald. So the Stafford move
looks brilliant today. You thought he was gonna at this age.
What is he thirty seven? This is what it was
gonna look like after getting that. You know what kicked
out of him in Detroit seventy four and ninety twelve
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years no play, I'm gonna pay for golf and Stafford
and to first fixed golf was really good. I saw
golf go toe to toe in La and beat Mahomes.
Remember that game Coliseum. So that's a lot more courage
front and center. No Troll, not anonymous right out in
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front and John Snyder. Pete Carroll was beloved in Seattle.
People moved on from Russell Wilson and then moved on
from Pete. Fired him. Seattle gets better, and not only
does he fire Pete Carroll off winning season, he hires
another defensive coordinator, Mike McDonald. You would think you'd be like, Okay,
the old defensive guy. League's pivoting offense. John, you got
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to get an offensive guy. He's like, no, I'm gonna
go defense again. And I think tonight Sean McVay is
arguably the best coach in the league. And I think
Mike McDonald is the defensive Sean McVay. But this game
tonight is about big swings, doing unpopular things. Things people
scratch their head on. Acquiring turnover prone Sam Donald, hiring
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another defensive coach, firing Pete of a winning season. You're
gonna pay for Stafford and golf twelve years, no playoff wins,
zero to three, Fortune favors the bold. I know who
wins to night, but I know Matt Stafford at his age.
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These Thursday night games are tough.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Physically, I mean, I think that's the most difficult part,
especially this late in the season. You know, going into
our what is it, our fifteenth game, will be playing
and you got fourteen under the belt, and then trying
to turn around and play in a couple of days
is tough, especially for somebody as old as I am.
So that's that's the biggest thing. Obviously, got a great
opponent that we're playing in a tough environment as well.
That not to be discounted, but for personally, for me,
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it's it's physically it's probably the toughest part.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Two great rosters, great coaches and great gms too. So
Patrick Mahomes. They are estimating now in quotations ballpark rehab
is going to take nine months. He'll be back sometime
in September to play again. The league is better with Mahomes.
He's one of the all time talents. But I was
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thinking about this this morning taking the train into work.
That's who I am, a rugged sportscaster. So when Tom
Brady was in his prime, it almost ticked me off
that the minute another quarterback who was elite had a
great year or year and a half run, they were
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better than Brady. Remember when Aaron Rodgers wins the Super
Bowl in twenty ten, twenty eleven, he's the MVP, and
suddenly there was a chorus of fans and media saying
Aaron's better. And I'm like, Brady's got three Super Bowls
in counting and two MVP. What are you talking about now?
Aaron is the man?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Okay, I don't agree with that.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
And then when Peyton Manning when he won the Super
Bowl in Denver and was named the MVP. Remember that
year he beat Brady in the playoffs twenty fifteen, and
I love Peyton Manning top five quarterback. Ever, everybody was like,
he's got Tommy's number. He you know what, let's be
honest about it. He changed the league, not Brady. I'm like,
Brady's got four Super Bowls and counting. Because Tom's stylistically,
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it was harder to fall in love with. Even Belichick
had a crush on second round pick Jimmy Garoppolo for
about two three years. I remember reading an article by
or a book by Seth Wickersham, great writer, and there
were anonymous sources in the building saying, well, it's a
lot of system. It's the system. You know, a lot
of guys could win here in Foxborough. It wasn't until
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Brady went to Tampa with the five hundred Buccaneers won
a title with Arians that everybody finally acknowledged that day,
as he's drinking margaritas and almost through the trophy in
the pond, everybody went, yeah, it was Tommy, not Belichick.
And so I do think style drives the NBA discussion,
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but it matters in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Too.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Aaron looks cooler. Elway was always better than Marino, but
Marino looked cooler. And Patrick Mahomes, He's got it cool.
And that's why we have so much reluctance to acknowledge
the clear and absolute truth the last two years, Mahomes
is not even in Josh Allen's league. It ain't close.
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Josh is bigger and stronger. I'll throw the numbers on
the screen if you go to passer rating in the
second half and overtime. In the last two years, Allen's
number two, Mahomes is twenty fourth. And by the way,
Mahomes has better receiving targets. The Bills receiver stink. They
play in worse weather, believe it or not, than Kansas City.
They have a defensive coach, not Andy Reid. The last
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two years. One guy is significantly bigger, stronger, more productive
than the other. But we like Mahomes and we like Aaron,
and we love Marino. It looks cool, and cool matters
a lot in basketball's culture, not nearly as much in
the football culture. But Josh Allen's pretty cool too, and
Brady stacking trophies that's pretty pretty cool too. I just
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appreciate that Sean McDermott, a defensive guy with a smile
on his face, realizes what he has.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
I want to pull up the family scrapbook and we
can just sit down and kind of koumbaya and just
pay through every one of Josh's days in the journey here.
Some of the things he's done are unprecedented in terms
of what a quarterback has been able to accomplish over
the years, and the ways he's done it, and the
way he and most importantly right now is leading our
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football team.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
And I know some of you will say, Colin, the
reason we're reluctant is all those trophies. Exactly the reason
that it used to drive me nuts that people wouldn't
give Brady as flowers because he had all the trophies too,
And you were more than willing to say, Aaron's it,
Peyton's the guy, so don't give me the trophy argument.
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You never use that with Brady because Brady didn't play
a cool football. But he's the best snap quarterback arguably ever,
the best post snap quarterback ever, the best cold weather
thrower ever, the smartest quarterback ever, the best clutch quarterback ever.
Right now, the best football player in the world is
in Buffalo and it's not particularly close. A lot of
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stuff today, Greg Cosel, Joel Klatt. I think I've switched
my pick. I think I like Oklahoma over Alabama. I
know I've gone back and forth on that puppy. Can't
wait for Friday.
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Speaker 1 (12:04):
Coming away with that, Greg Cosel, forty six years working
at NFL Films, we all get smarter, So let's pivot
quickly to the Rams. Let's start with the Rams man.
They're talented. When you watch the offense with somebody with
four and a half decades of experience of watching all
times of offense from the ugly tush push to Mike Martz,
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give me, when you watch the Rams, is there a prototype?
Have you seen it before? What do you make of
the offense?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
I think when you watch the Rams? What really struck me?
Speaker 8 (12:37):
And I don't recall seeing something as dramatic as this
colin From weeks one through six this season, they did
not play one snap with three tight ends on the field.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Beginning Week seven.
Speaker 8 (12:49):
Until now, forty one percent of their offensive snaps have
had three tight ends on the field. Now, one game
where they didn't play a lot of it was against
Seattle Week eleven with Devonte Adams out. I would imagine
they will play with three tight ends a very good
percentage of the time.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
And I'm not going to sit here and recite numbers,
but just believe me.
Speaker 8 (13:09):
They have been so good out of three tight end personnel,
not just running the ball as one might expect, but
passing the ball. The last two games, the last two
games Dallas and Detroit with their opponents just out of
three tight ends, they've gained close to seven hundred yards.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Think about that for a minute.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
They've gained close to seven hundred yards in the last
two games and scored eight touchdowns just out of three
tight ends. And what they normally get is a base defense,
although with Seattle they pretty much played big nickel on
every snap, because one could make the argument that Nicki
Minuari is the most important player on the Seahawks defense
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because of what he can do, and again, he predominantly
alignes at the second level. But he's a really, really
good player in Seattle's defense.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
They're a fun watch.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
By the way. Let's touch on Seattle's offense. What's wrong
with the Seahawks run game?
Speaker 8 (14:08):
Yeah, they have really struggled to run the ball. I
think their old line has had a hard time. I
think it's a bad mix. I think it's an old
line that hasn't played well and it's a back in
Kenneth Walker, who to me, the way I always thought
about him, even watching him in college, is he's more
jazz musician than classical pianists. In other words, he's looking
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to improvise. He's not someone who hits it up and
gets the hard yards where three yards or four yards
becomes really important in an offense as opposed to looking
for that note, that outside note and then he deeans
one yard or loses two yards. So it's a bad
marriage of an old line not playing particularly well. And
I think Walker is a guy that just needs to
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hit it up in there. And I think that's one
reason they play sharbon A as much as they do,
because Charbone obviously does not have a lot of juice,
but at least he gets downhill.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I want to go Bears Packers. You know, Chicago's run game.
They went and got Dolman Toney and Jonah Jackson and
I said that, I said this last hour. It's not
that they run it well, it's that there are often
holes that are substantial that jump off the television where
you I mean, like not Crevice's there's gaps. Yeah, when
you watch the film. Does the Bears run game get
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enough credit?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
No?
Speaker 8 (15:22):
Because we talk about Caleb every week and that's fine
because he makes special plays. But they're the second best
running team in the National Football League. Only two teams
average over one hundred and fifty yards rushing, the Bills
and the Bears. And what I love with Ben Johnson
and I don't think he gets enough credit for it either.
Is his use of tight ends in the run game
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and his use of pre snap movement in the run game.
It almost reminds me, and you'll know exactly who I'm
talking about. Maybe some listening won't, but it almost reminds
me going back a long time to Joe Gibbs with
the Washington Redskins with the use of motion in the
run game, because what it does is it changes run support,
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so it changes angles, it changes leverage, and it benefits
you mightily in the run game.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
And you can just go back to.
Speaker 8 (16:09):
That game a few weeks ago against the Eagles when
they did that exceptionally well. But their use of tight
ends in the run game is as good as any
team in the league.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Michael Parsons out for the year.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Punitive.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
How punitive is that for the Packers defense going forward?
Speaker 8 (16:25):
Yeah, that's going to be interesting this week. I guess
that's a Saturday night game, and that's going to be
interesting to see how that plays out. Because what Jeff
Hapley and I think he's done an unbelievable job. He's
predominantly a four man D line rush guy, and what
he does really well is changed the picture on the
back end pre snap to post snap. So the question
is that we don't know the answer till we see it.
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Colin is does he rush five? You know a few
more times than that he might normally because he doesn't
have that one guy in Parsons who can win from
multiple locations in the defensive front.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Now it's a more traditional front.
Speaker 8 (17:01):
Now he has to rely on guys like Lucas van
ness eg Nabari Gary.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Guys like the gain. Gary's a good player, by the way,
but guys like.
Speaker 8 (17:08):
That to be able to win one on one matchups,
I think they'll stunt a lot. They've always been a
high percentage stunting team to try to create confusion and protection.
But the question, and we won't know the answer, is
will he rush five a higher percentage of the time?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
All right, a team right now that you know Listen,
I think there's a big chunk of America, myself included,
that would like to see the Buffalo Bills finally win
a Super Bowl. There's so many things about the people,
the culture, Josh Allen. They don't have much of a
vertical threat. They're very tight end centric. Maybe Ed Oliver
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coming back helps the defense I always feel like, and
I felt this at various times for the last six
or seven years, they just rely way too much on
Josh Allen. But then I think to myself, well, if
you have it, use it. I mean, I guess when
you watch there their offense, do you feel like sometimes
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they just wait for Josh to save them.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
I don't think that's true, and I think that, you know,
the numbers bear that out. And because every time I
watch them play, they get to the second half of games,
and we know they've been trailing at times at halftime
this year. You know, they come out in the third
quarter almost every week and they run the ball. That's
how they stabilize their offense. You might be surprised to
know that the running back that has the most second
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half rushes in the NFL is James Cook. This is
not a team that just relies on Josh Allen. It's
just that he makes special plays and is capable of it.
So it appears that way, and he certainly has games
where he like a six touchdown game, But it's not
just Josh Allen and nothing else. On offense, They've got
probably a top three offensive line in the league.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
They run the ball exceptionally well.
Speaker 8 (18:52):
As I said, Cook has the most second half carries
of any back in the league.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
And you'll look at last week's game.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
I thought their defensive coaching staff did an outstanding job
because they changed up some things in the second half
and they caused Drake May to be a little hesitant
and to not see things as clearly as he did
in the first half, and he has for most of
the season. So, yes, we focus on Josh and deservedly so.
I mean, you and I probably both agree we may
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have never seen a quarterback that's more physically gifted than
Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
But it's not just him. The way they play.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
There's a team in the league that's actually very good,
but all of us, myself included, are just not going
to embrace them until I see it. And that's Jacksonville.
And they go to Denver. Now, now Denver's played a
tough schedule. Jacksonville's played you a little softer schedule years.
You know, I loved Trevor Lawrence out of college, and
after about three or four years, I'm like, he turns
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it over too much, he gets lured into bad picks. Well,
this team can run, they can stop the run. You
tell me this offense for Jacksonville is it for real?
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (19:59):
Well, it's funny because last five weeks and they've won
five in a row. Trevor Lawrence has the most touchdown
passes of any quarterback in the last five weeks. And
I would say because I watch them every week, because
I like you. Trevor Lawrence is a guy that always
fascinated me, even going back to Clemson. You can see
a difference in the way he's been playing the last
five weeks, and I'm sure it's a comfort level.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
In Liam Cohen's offense.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
One of the things you look for with a quarterback
is he decisive with his reads and his throws. Because
quarterbacks that are decisive that means in their mind they're
seeing it with clarity.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Does that mean every throw is great, No, But in
their mind they're seeing it.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
With clarity because the ball's coming out within timing and
structure and rhythm. And he has played like that the
last five weeks. And one of the things that really
stands out on film is how well he's throwing the
ball outside the numbers, and those are hard throws in
this league. So again, I'm not going to sit here
and say he's gonna have a great game against Denver.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
That's a really difficult defense. It's on the road.
Speaker 8 (20:56):
Denver leads the NFL in third down defense. They lead
the NFL on quarterback sacks. It's a very hard defense
to play against. So hey, he could throw two or
three picks and then people might say, oh, there you go,
he's still not very good. But just watching him these
last four or five weeks, there is a clear comfort
level in the way in which he is playing.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Listen, I've said it before, loudly and proudly. I like
my quarterbacks like my furniture, big and hard to move.
I like big quarterbacks. I have big, strong guys. I
watched Russell Wilson age overnight. Kyler Murray is a quickly
Tua maybe more than the previous two. I mean, when
you watch Tua, when I watch him Greg, this kid
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doesn't want to get hit. I mean, I just I
watch a very apprehensive quarterback.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
Tua is part to me of a larger discussion that
has gotten a lot of conversation this week about pure
progression versus reading defense, you know, and the old school.
In fact, Kirk Cousin spoke about this so eloquently this
week two is very much sort of a pre snap quarterback.
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He's got to hit his back foot, he's got to
deliver the ball with timing, with rhythm, and yeah, you
want your quarterbacks to do that, but that can't happen
on every play. And what's happened to his defenses have
gotten a much better feel for the kinds of throws
that he can make, and he has limitations and the
kinds of throws that he can make.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
So once you take.
Speaker 8 (22:23):
Those throw away or minimize his ability to make those throws,
there's not much more to do. There's not much more
in his toolbox. So I think that's what's happened. And
his arm strength quite frankly, I don't know if it's
gotten worse, but it's probably below NFL average standards.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Now.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
Now, do you need a gun to be a good
quarterback in the league. No, but there is a certain
level where you have to be able to make throws
that are not always within timing and structure, and he's
probably below that level right now.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
So it's interesting. Kyle Shanahan ripped off is the wrong term,
but a lot of people have picked up elements of
his offense and sure they're not fooling people with that
offense like they were six years ago or five years ago,
and yet it just keeps working. Now, I probably need
to give brock Purty more love, but they've done it
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without Ayyuk Deebo's gone. Offensive line left tackles old, but
great Kittle hasn't lost a step. It feels like, but
I watched this offense and I'm like, Kyle's been running
this offense forever. Half the league's taken it and it's
still unbelievably effective. Has he tweaked it over time?
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (23:35):
Well, what you see a lot of are changes in
the use of pre snap movement and formations, because don't forget,
there's not a thousand concepts in the past game, for instance,
So it's how do you get to them? What is
your presentation to the defense? How do you get the
defense to react so you can gain leverage with your routes,
so you can win with your routes versus his own coverage,
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so you can create space. The motion element, the pre
snap movement element, is so critical to what they do.
They've added a number of elements to that this year
that again show the defense a totally different presentation, but
there's an example when you get right down to it,
they've added all those things, but it's still a very
choreographed offense. It's you know, the term I would use
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is there's an illusion of complexity to their offense in
what they do, which makes it difficult for the defense.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
But it's probably I would assume this.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
I'm not in the meetings obviously, but I would assume
in the way it's taught, it's probably relatively simple, but
there's a complexity illusion that's presented to the defense.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Okay, I want to let's end talking Eagles and Jalen Hurts.
This offense, yes, and I noted this earlier this week
feels like it's been broken since Week one. Stages of
being broken. Is there anything you've seen that's encouraging with
Jalen Hurts on the offense.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
Well, I certainly can't tell you why they do things
that they do. All I can tell you is the
last two weeks, including the loss by the way to
the Chargers, they've expanded their past game concepts and it's
been good to see they've started to do more things
which really helped Jalen Hurts, which really helped to define
reads and throws for him, and they've done that the.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Last two weeks.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
Like I said, I can't tell you why they didn't
do it weeks one through twelve.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
I'm not smart enough for that, Colin, but I do
know what I see on film, and they've definitely expanded it. Also,
what they started to do a little bit more, and
this was clearly part of what they did the last
number of years was more quarterback design runs and that.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Puts a lot of pressure on the defense.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
But I think you know, he threw a touchdown late
in the game last week. Obviously he was against the Raiders.
We know they're not very good. That doesn't mean a
lot to me. It's the execution. So let's go to
that play because I think it speaks a lot to
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
And you know he can make throws.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
He's a Super Bowl champion quarterback, you know, so he
can make throws.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
This was the.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Touchdown JJ Brown later in the game. But I really
like this play for a number of reasons. Number one,
you're going to see Hurts in the gun now he
has Shipley next to him here, not Barkley. Although Barkley's
on the field as well. Now, notice Shipley will shift
outside in what we call a plus split. He's far
outside the numbers to the wide side of the field.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
So now you have an empty set.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
And what you have here is something you don't see
very often, which is trips into the boundary, trips into
the short side of the field, and Barkley is on
that side of the field.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
So it's what we call a pony package.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
So now what you're going to get here as you
look to the top of the screen, you're going to
get Shipley running a slant route and aj Brown is
inside of him. He's going to run a steam route.
That's the two man route combination. Look where that post
safety is. He's cheated to the trip side of the field,
and that's important. So what you have to make sure
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when you're Jalen Hurts when you take the snap is
he doesn't rotate over to play that seam route by Brown.
That's critical. If he rotates over, you can't throw it.
So now the ball's going to get snabbed and he's
going to stay outside. So now he is outside the
hashmark to the trip side. So now you have the
slant route by Shipley once he disappears.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Okay, here's the critical thing.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
Once Shipley disappears, Now the throat is to the seam,
but you have to beat the outside corner whose job
it is to overlap that route. So what does Hurtz
do really well here, it's the subtlety of the position.
He bends Brown in a little bit further. Instead of
throwing the straight seam, he bends him in just a
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little bit further to make sure that that corner cannot.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Overlap that route.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
This is really this is high level quarterbacking here by Hurts,
And this is what you want to see.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Like I said, it's a detail, it's a nuance. It's
a subtlety.
Speaker 8 (27:59):
But you know that's what playing the quarterback position is.
And when I saw this on tape, I said that
that's just a really good play. So I'm really anxious
to see where their offense go is now Colin as
it continues down the last three games, and obviously.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
They're going to win the division, so they'll be in
the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
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Speaker 1 (28:32):
You know, j Mac, I'm a bit of a traditionalist,
and this time of the year, I don't know, I
get the warm and fuzzies.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Here.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I took out a pencil, number two pencil and some
note cards, and I wanted to set her. You know,
people I've wronged in college and pro football over the
last couple of months. You know I'm big enough man
to acknowledge I've hurt some feelings. So I thought i'd
i'd write some letters. Okay, okay, let's start. I mean,
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he's led the Steelers to the number three red zone offense.
Let's start with Aaron Rodgers. Dear Aaron, I said this
offense was a rotary phone in a smartphone world, dated,
clunky and unnecessary. But like fries in a sandwich, Pittsburgh
didn't know they needed you. Now they can't live without you.
(29:22):
Buy Awuasca, Colin. You know I was tough on Dak
Prescott and the Cowboys this year, so I grabbed that
number two pencil. Dear Dak, I once said you were
not the guy you would back up the Brinks truck
for consider this my Texas size surrender. You can lead
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a team and a league. If you were on my team,
I'd back up the Brinks truck, the Ben and Jerry's truck,
the Budweiser truck. Your friend Colin leads the NFL in
passing yards. You know what I'm want to send one
to his billionaire friend, Jerry Jones. Happy Yee Holidays, Jerry,
(30:03):
I said, you run the Cowboys like an impulse buy
at Bucky's that you like headlines over hardware and splash
over substance. This year's trade big splash, a cannon ball
off the yacht. Still you swung, So I'm holding up
a ten, Colin. How about rookie Jackson Dart. I was
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tough on that kid. Dear Jackson, you spend more time
in a tent than an RII salesman, yet somehow come
out tougher, sharper, and more polished. You're like a developing polaroid.
I can't see the full picture yet, but I'm glad
you're shaking things up. Okay, scatted, go for now, Colin.
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How about forty four year old Philip Rivers recently unretired.
Dear coach Rivers, I'm not sorry you talk trash. I'm
sorry the media did.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Sure you won't win the X Games, but you went
out there, grabbed your kids skateboard and landed the trick.
Bozo's like jamac doubted you, not me. Happy holidays, Colin.
How about my letter to Sam Darnold. Dear Sambo, I'd
like to apologize to absolutely nobody. You got the Hawks
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at eleven and three, poised to be a number one seed.
I was early, I was loud, I was right. Colin Coward,
your thirteenth man. Happy holidays. How about this one to
USC coach Lincoln Riley. I just finished this one this morning.
Dearest Lincoln, here's my Lincoln letter. I said your Trojan
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tenure was drifting, momentum gone, like a film that ran
out of budget. Then you recruited the number one recruiting class.
My apologies. You're greenlit for a trilogy, probably a spinoff.
Stay streaming, Colin. And finally, the new Louisiana State football
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coach Lane Kiffin. Dearest Lane, I warned that heading to
LSU would be chaotic, combustible, and short lived. You know
what I'm gonna hang onto this for a few more weeks.
I'm not gonna send this one out yet. I mean,
(32:36):
he did crush it, old mess, but the governor's on
his butt. Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, a couple of
holiday letters. I saw this, J.
Speaker 7 (32:47):
Mack, Well, wait, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 9 (32:48):
I'm really proud of you for single handedly saving the
US Postal Service with all these letters and stamps. I mean,
well done, and getting in a dig at me and
calling me a Bozell. I like it, man, that's good stuff.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
That was fun.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
So I saw this story, and you know, I like
the Mannings, met all of them, like all of them.
It says here Arch Manning is wise for staying at Texas.
This is the headline because he can still be the
quarterback one in the twenty twenty seven draft. And I'll
tell you why. I am really cynical of that. So
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he went to a high school that was a smaller school,
and some question the competition not his fault a reality,
So I thought, well, let's just see him at Texas well.
The first two years he sat, he had Sark, great
offensive coach and Texas talent, and then year three starts
with Texas talent and Sark and I can't unsee it
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the first half of this year. Go back and look
at the UTEP game UTEP and that's my thing to
be a number one pick. The first time Caleb Williams
was thrust into a game, was not prepared for Ford
at Oklahoma, he was brilliant the first time Trevor Lawrence
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started one of Natty as a freshman. Andrew Luck may
have red shirted, but our first glimpse of him, Wow,
those guys as number one picks feel sort of generational.
Like John Elway Arch sat for two years, had Sark
had Texas and they slowly crafted him, slowly developed him.
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That doesn't feel like something that becomes the number one pick.
Like Fernando Mendoza was at Cal. He didn't set the
world on fire. But Cal's got no you know, they've
got like second tier talent. The minute he got elite talent,
not Ohio State talent, for good talent around him. I mean,
he's been unbelievable this year. So I think my take
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is at Arch Manning Jen speaking Kobe at seventeen eighteen
years old, had the greatest workout. Jerry West, the late
Jerry West, said he'd ever seen. Lebron at seventeen, was
called the best high school basketball player ever. I think
when you're I think generational talent. Caleb Williams first snaps
whoa Andrew Look redshirt freshman year Trevor Lawrence. It doesn't
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mean certain players can't develop slowly, but I do think
you know what's the page Becker's the Yukon basketball player.
I think she got a scholarship offer in the sixth grade.
I think generally, and remember this an example is he
had such an advantage being a Manning. All the family
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members most played in the NFL. That's an advantage. So
I guess my take is he could be an NFL quarterback.
I like his athletic ability. I think he's got a
pretty good arm. But when I number one pick, I
think Tiger Woods, Cooper flagg Lebron. I think just generational stuff.
Obviously there's a lot of misses, but I don't know.
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I just don't. I feel like next year, if Dante
Moore came out and Arch Manning came out, that would
be an easy decision for me. It would be Dante Moore.
And by the way, the Manning family may not want
the number one thing. I mean the number one pick
you often go to an awful team if you slide
a little bit, you know, often a huge advantage. But
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the Serenas and Rory McElroy's and the traditional kind of
number one pick kind of I don't know. I just
think Eli Manning was underrated, so was Archie Peyton was
fairly rated. At this point. There's just stuff I can't
quite unsee yet. Here's sark on arch Manning coming back
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for another year.
Speaker 10 (36:50):
He's a young man who's gotten considerably much better as
the season's gone on, and not only physically, but I
think mentally maturity wise. Of assuming that position, I would
think he's going to want another year of that growth
to put himself in position for hopefully a long career
in the NFL. And he's got some unfinished business for him.
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I think the competitor him is going to say, man,
I sure would like another crack at trying to do
those things.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
So he's going to be twenty two in April. He's
not that young, and I guess he could be a
slow developer. I mean, Joe Burrow, like junior year, You're like,
I'm not sure, and then all of a sudden he
popped and throw with like sixty touchdowners. I think it
outrageous at LSU, but the headline is the thing that
caught my attention. Arch Manning is wise for staying at Texas.
He could still be quarterback one. I think what's going
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to happen. Jaden Mayava going back to USC, Dante More
could stay at Oregon, Ty Simpson could stay at Alabama.
Next year's class could be could be pretty profound. We'll see.
I do think this year's class got a lot of criticism,
but I think Jackson Dart we have to be fair.
Jackson Dart is absolutely I saw him as kind of
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a second round talent. Jackson Dart's been good. Too many
trips to the Blue Tent. But you know what, Drake
may spend some time in the blue tent his rookie year.
Justin Herbert put his head down, tried to run over
linebackers in safety, so did Baker Mayfield. You get popped
about six seven times, and all of a sudden, you
look at the Blue Tent and it's like that place
you don't want to go, right. So it'll be a
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different j Max this weekend. I think an interesting game
Jacksonville's played a much lighter schedule than Denver. I do
think keep your eye on Jacksonville. I don't see a
lot of upsets. Oh, I do.
Speaker 7 (38:34):
Little closer, my friend, Oh you have one. Oh, I
mean listen, we've touched on a couple times this week.
I read it to you before the show.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
The Kansas City.
Speaker 9 (38:42):
Chiefs injury report screams a team that's just gonna shut
down a lot of dudes and have them play maybe
on Christmas Day at home against the Broncos, in like
a Travis Kelce sendoff. Reci Rice's concussed. Doesn't look like
he's gonna go. My fantasy team's not happy. But you
look around that that team, and there's a lot McDuffie
may not play.
Speaker 8 (39:01):
Now.
Speaker 9 (39:02):
I know Tennessee doesn't want to win, but there's still
a bunch of professional athletes who are young looking to
make an impression on the GM and keep their jobs.
Speaker 7 (39:11):
Kim Ward's not gonna suddenly stop trying.
Speaker 9 (39:13):
I think the Titans win that outright, this line has
come down four and a half to three. I think
it's going to keep coming down if the injury report
keeps getting bad for Casey.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
You know, what can I give you a sharp pick.
Everybody's talking Ravens. I like New England. Oh I think
three is too many points. I like New England at Baltimore.
That is, if they lose, it's close. The other thing.
Speaker 9 (39:36):
I just omitted, by the way Ravens Patriots will be
in headline tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
Just just laid the wager on one of those teams.
No tease, Just gonna put that out.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
There, Okay, any strong feeling Chargers at the Cowboys?
Speaker 7 (39:48):
Cowboys probably how I see.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I thought earlier in the week you were Chargers. I
you know, when you get humiliated or you play really
poorly in a big spot and the owners ripping the
defensive coordinator. I think Dallas is going to have one
of those kind of circle the wagons kind of like
play as well as they can possibly play. And it
feels like the Chargers are just figuring out ways to
win ugly and that may bite them at some point.
Speaker 9 (40:13):
They didn't look good, Collin. I mean, they somehow won,
but a lot of it had to do with the
Chiefs just stink.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
You know.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
The Chargers' offensive line is horrible.
Speaker 9 (40:20):
I mean, look at Justin Herbert's passing number since he's
got the broken hands.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Not good.
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
One of the games of the year tonight Rams at
the Seahawks. We're live on a Thursday, Greg Cosell an
hour from now. It's The Herd wherever you may be,
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. College football playoffs starts Friday. Joe Klatt Today,
Todd mcshae on the very real, very real reality for
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the New York Giants. They'll have the number one pick
and may have to decide between Jack and Dart and
Fernando Mendoza. You know what side I'm on. I want
to I want to start the show with. This is
h J McK and I front and center. Every day
we put our face on our opinions and the Internet
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is mostly about Captain Hindsights afg's after the fact geniuses.
Everybody's so smart after the fact. But I want to
talk about Rams Seahawks. I want you to think about
this because it feels so obvious. What I'm going to
say right now feel so obvious. I mean, you guys
knew it would work. The Rams had a Pro Bowl
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quarterback in Jared Goff who'd been to a Super Bowl,
just entering his prime, and Sean McVay said, you know,
I'm gonna give up two first round picks. I'm gonna
pay Jared Goff salary and the new guys salary, and
(01:58):
i want Matt Stafford with a losing record in Detroit,
who in twelve years had never won a playoff game,
had only made it three times and was zero to three.
And I'm gonna let you look at the numbers of
Matt Stafford. They're totally unremarkable. And that's with the second
greatest receiving talent I've ever seen, behind Randy moss In
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Calvin Johnson. So he had the ultimate number one receiver.
He was seventy four and ninety completed sixty two percent
of his throws, his passer rating in the eighties, and
did not have a two to one touchdown to interception
ratio with Calvin Johnson and Sean McVay is like, yeah,
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I'm gonna pay his salary. I'm gonna pay Jared Goff salary.
Stafford's haid that you know what beat out of him
for twelve years, never won a playoff game. Goff just
made the Super Bowl. Let's pull a trigger on that.
That is a big front and center swing by Les
Snead and Sean McVay. And it's the kind of move
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first year in I mean, Stafford still led the NFL
and interceptions. He and McVay were trying to figure it
out as the season was going on. So it's easy
now to go, I knew this thing would be money, dude.
It never won a playoff game. Average quarterbacks in average
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franchises in twelve years will win a playoff game. And
it's the same with John Snyder the Seattle GM. Pete
Carroll very popular in Seattle, two Super bowls, had a
trophy beloved, had just had another winning season, and John
Snyder fired him off a winning season. The most popular
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coach or manager in Seattle maybe ever fired him and
John Snyder also with Sam Darnald irrupting in those games.
Remember against the Rams and against the Lions. Everybody was like,
that's who Donald is. Oh, that's who Sammy is. Stay away,
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and Snyder goes, no, I'm gonna pay him pretty good money.
We're gonna go with Sam Darnald. So the Stafford move
looks brilliant today. You thought he was gonna at this age.
What is he thirty seven? This is what it was
gonna look like after getting that. You know what kicked
out of him in Detroit seventy four and ninety twelve
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years no play, I'm gonna pay for golf and Stafford
and to first fixed golf was really good. I saw
golf go toe to toe in La and beat Mahomes.
Remember that game Coliseum. So that's a lot more courage
front and center. No Troll, not anonymous right out in
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front and John Snyder. Pete Carroll was beloved in Seattle.
People moved on from Russell Wilson and then moved on
from Pete. Fired him. Seattle gets better, and not only
does he fire Pete Carroll off winning season, he hires
another defensive coordinator, Mike McDonald. You would think you'd be like, Okay,
the old defensive guy. League's pivoting offense. John, you got
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to get an offensive guy. He's like, no, I'm gonna
go defense again. And I think tonight Sean McVay is
arguably the best coach in the league. And I think
Mike McDonald is the defensive Sean McVay. But this game
tonight is about big swings, doing unpopular things. Things people
scratch their head on. Acquiring turnover prone Sam Donald, hiring
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another defensive coach, firing Pete of a winning season. You're
gonna pay for Stafford and golf twelve years, no playoff wins,
zero to three, Fortune favors the bold. I know who
wins to night, but I know Matt Stafford at his age.
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These Thursday night games are tough.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Physically, I mean, I think that's the most difficult part,
especially this late in the season. You know, going into
our what is it, our fifteenth game, will be playing
and you got fourteen under the belt, and then trying
to turn around and play in a couple of days
is tough, especially for somebody as old as I am.
So that's that's the biggest thing. Obviously, got a great
opponent that we're playing in a tough environment as well.
That not to be discounted, but for personally, for me,
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it's it's physically it's probably the toughest part.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Two great rosters, great coaches and great gms too. So
Patrick Mahomes. They are estimating now in quotations ballpark rehab
is going to take nine months. He'll be back sometime
in September to play again. The league is better with Mahomes.
He's one of the all time talents. But I was
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thinking about this this morning taking the train into work.
That's who I am, a rugged sportscaster. So when Tom
Brady was in his prime, it almost ticked me off
that the minute another quarterback who was elite had a
great year or year and a half run, they were
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better than Brady. Remember when Aaron Rodgers wins the Super
Bowl in twenty ten, twenty eleven, he's the MVP, and
suddenly there was a chorus of fans and media saying
Aaron's better. And I'm like, Brady's got three Super Bowls
in counting and two MVP. What are you talking about now?
Aaron is the man?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Okay, I don't agree with that.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
And then when Peyton Manning when he won the Super
Bowl in Denver and was named the MVP. Remember that
year he beat Brady in the playoffs twenty fifteen, and
I love Peyton Manning top five quarterback. Ever, everybody was like,
he's got Tommy's number. He you know what, let's be
honest about it. He changed the league, not Brady. I'm like,
Brady's got four Super Bowls and counting. Because Tom's stylistically,
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it was harder to fall in love with. Even Belichick
had a crush on second round pick Jimmy Garoppolo for
about two three years. I remember reading an article by
or a book by Seth Wickersham, great writer, and there
were anonymous sources in the building saying, well, it's a
lot of system. It's the system. You know, a lot
of guys could win here in Foxborough. It wasn't until
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Brady went to Tampa with the five hundred Buccaneers won
a title with Arians that everybody finally acknowledged that day,
as he's drinking margaritas and almost through the trophy in
the pond, everybody went, yeah, it was Tommy, not Belichick.
And so I do think style drives the NBA discussion,
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but it matters in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Too.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Aaron looks cooler. Elway was always better than Marino, but
Marino looked cooler. And Patrick Mahomes, He's got it cool.
And that's why we have so much reluctance to acknowledge
the clear and absolute truth the last two years, Mahomes
is not even in Josh Allen's league. It ain't close.
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Josh is bigger and stronger. I'll throw the numbers on
the screen if you go to passer rating in the
second half and overtime. In the last two years, Allen's
number two, Mahomes is twenty fourth. And by the way,
Mahomes has better receiving targets. The Bills receiver stink. They
play in worse weather, believe it or not, than Kansas City.
They have a defensive coach, not Andy Reid. The last
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two years. One guy is significantly bigger, stronger, more productive
than the other. But we like Mahomes and we like Aaron,
and we love Marino. It looks cool, and cool matters
a lot in basketball's culture, not nearly as much in
the football culture. But Josh Allen's pretty cool too, and
Brady stacking trophies that's pretty pretty cool too. I just
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appreciate that Sean McDermott, a defensive guy with a smile
on his face, realizes what he has.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
I want to pull up the family scrapbook and we
can just sit down and kind of koumbaya and just
pay through every one of Josh's days in the journey here.
Some of the things he's done are unprecedented in terms
of what a quarterback has been able to accomplish over
the years, and the ways he's done it, and the
way he and most importantly right now is leading our
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football team.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
And I know some of you will say, Colin, the
reason we're reluctant is all those trophies. Exactly the reason
that it used to drive me nuts that people wouldn't
give Brady as flowers because he had all the trophies too,
And you were more than willing to say, Aaron's it,
Peyton's the guy, so don't give me the trophy argument.
(10:54):
You never use that with Brady because Brady didn't play
a cool football. But he's the best snap quarterback arguably ever,
the best post snap quarterback ever, the best cold weather
thrower ever, the smartest quarterback ever, the best clutch quarterback ever.
Right now, the best football player in the world is
in Buffalo and it's not particularly close. A lot of
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stuff today, Greg Cosel, Joel Klatt. I think I've switched
my pick. I think I like Oklahoma over Alabama. I
know I've gone back and forth on that puppy. Can't
wait for Friday.
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Speaker 1 (12:04):
Coming away with that, Greg Cosel, forty six years working
at NFL Films, we all get smarter, So let's pivot
quickly to the Rams. Let's start with the Rams man.
They're talented. When you watch the offense with somebody with
four and a half decades of experience of watching all
times of offense from the ugly tush push to Mike Martz,
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give me, when you watch the Rams, is there a prototype?
Have you seen it before? What do you make of
the offense?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
I think when you watch the Rams? What really struck me?
Speaker 8 (12:37):
And I don't recall seeing something as dramatic as this
colin From weeks one through six this season, they did
not play one snap with three tight ends on the field.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Beginning Week seven.
Speaker 8 (12:49):
Until now, forty one percent of their offensive snaps have
had three tight ends on the field. Now, one game
where they didn't play a lot of it was against
Seattle Week eleven with Devonte Adams out. I would imagine
they will play with three tight ends a very good
percentage of the time.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
And I'm not going to sit here and recite numbers,
but just believe me.
Speaker 8 (13:09):
They have been so good out of three tight end personnel,
not just running the ball as one might expect, but
passing the ball. The last two games, the last two
games Dallas and Detroit with their opponents just out of
three tight ends, they've gained close to seven hundred yards.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Think about that for a minute.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
They've gained close to seven hundred yards in the last
two games and scored eight touchdowns just out of three
tight ends. And what they normally get is a base defense,
although with Seattle they pretty much played big nickel on
every snap, because one could make the argument that Nicki
Minuari is the most important player on the Seahawks defense
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because of what he can do, and again, he predominantly
alignes at the second level. But he's a really, really
good player in Seattle's defense.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
They're a fun watch.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
By the way. Let's touch on Seattle's offense. What's wrong
with the Seahawks run game?
Speaker 8 (14:08):
Yeah, they have really struggled to run the ball. I
think their old line has had a hard time. I
think it's a bad mix. I think it's an old
line that hasn't played well and it's a back in
Kenneth Walker, who to me, the way I always thought
about him, even watching him in college, is he's more
jazz musician than classical pianists. In other words, he's looking
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to improvise. He's not someone who hits it up and
gets the hard yards where three yards or four yards
becomes really important in an offense as opposed to looking
for that note, that outside note and then he deeans
one yard or loses two yards. So it's a bad
marriage of an old line not playing particularly well. And
I think Walker is a guy that just needs to
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hit it up in there. And I think that's one
reason they play sharbon A as much as they do,
because Charbone obviously does not have a lot of juice,
but at least he gets downhill.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I want to go Bears Packers. You know, Chicago's run game.
They went and got Dolman Toney and Jonah Jackson and
I said that, I said this last hour. It's not
that they run it well, it's that there are often
holes that are substantial that jump off the television where
you I mean, like not Crevice's there's gaps. Yeah, when
you watch the film. Does the Bears run game get
(15:20):
enough credit?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
No?
Speaker 8 (15:22):
Because we talk about Caleb every week and that's fine
because he makes special plays. But they're the second best
running team in the National Football League. Only two teams
average over one hundred and fifty yards rushing, the Bills
and the Bears. And what I love with Ben Johnson
and I don't think he gets enough credit for it either.
Is his use of tight ends in the run game
(15:43):
and his use of pre snap movement in the run game.
It almost reminds me, and you'll know exactly who I'm
talking about. Maybe some listening won't, but it almost reminds
me going back a long time to Joe Gibbs with
the Washington Redskins with the use of motion in the
run game, because what it does is it changes run support,
(16:03):
so it changes angles, it changes leverage, and it benefits
you mightily in the run game.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
And you can just go back to.
Speaker 8 (16:09):
That game a few weeks ago against the Eagles when
they did that exceptionally well. But their use of tight
ends in the run game is as good as any
team in the league.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Michael Parsons out for the year.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Punitive.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
How punitive is that for the Packers defense going forward?
Speaker 8 (16:25):
Yeah, that's going to be interesting this week. I guess
that's a Saturday night game, and that's going to be
interesting to see how that plays out. Because what Jeff
Hapley and I think he's done an unbelievable job. He's
predominantly a four man D line rush guy, and what
he does really well is changed the picture on the
back end pre snap to post snap. So the question
is that we don't know the answer till we see it.
(16:46):
Colin is does he rush five? You know a few
more times than that he might normally because he doesn't
have that one guy in Parsons who can win from
multiple locations in the defensive front.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Now it's a more traditional front.
Speaker 8 (17:01):
Now he has to rely on guys like Lucas van
ness eg Nabari Gary.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Guys like the gain. Gary's a good player, by the way,
but guys like.
Speaker 8 (17:08):
That to be able to win one on one matchups,
I think they'll stunt a lot. They've always been a
high percentage stunting team to try to create confusion and protection.
But the question, and we won't know the answer, is
will he rush five a higher percentage of the time?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
All right, a team right now that you know Listen,
I think there's a big chunk of America, myself included,
that would like to see the Buffalo Bills finally win
a Super Bowl. There's so many things about the people,
the culture, Josh Allen. They don't have much of a
vertical threat. They're very tight end centric. Maybe Ed Oliver
(17:43):
coming back helps the defense I always feel like, and
I felt this at various times for the last six
or seven years, they just rely way too much on
Josh Allen. But then I think to myself, well, if
you have it, use it. I mean, I guess when
you watch there their offense, do you feel like sometimes
(18:03):
they just wait for Josh to save them.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
I don't think that's true, and I think that, you know,
the numbers bear that out. And because every time I
watch them play, they get to the second half of games,
and we know they've been trailing at times at halftime
this year. You know, they come out in the third
quarter almost every week and they run the ball. That's
how they stabilize their offense. You might be surprised to
know that the running back that has the most second
(18:28):
half rushes in the NFL is James Cook. This is
not a team that just relies on Josh Allen. It's
just that he makes special plays and is capable of it.
So it appears that way, and he certainly has games
where he like a six touchdown game, But it's not
just Josh Allen and nothing else. On offense, They've got
probably a top three offensive line in the league.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
They run the ball exceptionally well.
Speaker 8 (18:52):
As I said, Cook has the most second half carries
of any back in the league.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
And you'll look at last week's game.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
I thought their defensive coaching staff did an outstanding job
because they changed up some things in the second half
and they caused Drake May to be a little hesitant
and to not see things as clearly as he did
in the first half, and he has for most of
the season. So, yes, we focus on Josh and deservedly so.
I mean, you and I probably both agree we may
(19:18):
have never seen a quarterback that's more physically gifted than
Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
But it's not just him. The way they play.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
There's a team in the league that's actually very good,
but all of us, myself included, are just not going
to embrace them until I see it. And that's Jacksonville.
And they go to Denver. Now, now Denver's played a
tough schedule. Jacksonville's played you a little softer schedule years.
You know, I loved Trevor Lawrence out of college, and
after about three or four years, I'm like, he turns
(19:46):
it over too much, he gets lured into bad picks. Well,
this team can run, they can stop the run. You
tell me this offense for Jacksonville is it for real?
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (19:59):
Well, it's funny because last five weeks and they've won
five in a row. Trevor Lawrence has the most touchdown
passes of any quarterback in the last five weeks. And
I would say because I watch them every week, because
I like you. Trevor Lawrence is a guy that always
fascinated me, even going back to Clemson. You can see
a difference in the way he's been playing the last
five weeks, and I'm sure it's a comfort level.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
In Liam Cohen's offense.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
One of the things you look for with a quarterback
is he decisive with his reads and his throws. Because
quarterbacks that are decisive that means in their mind they're
seeing it with clarity.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Does that mean every throw is great, No, But in
their mind they're seeing it.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
With clarity because the ball's coming out within timing and
structure and rhythm. And he has played like that the
last five weeks. And one of the things that really
stands out on film is how well he's throwing the
ball outside the numbers, and those are hard throws in
this league. So again, I'm not going to sit here
and say he's gonna have a great game against Denver.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
That's a really difficult defense. It's on the road.
Speaker 8 (20:56):
Denver leads the NFL in third down defense. They lead
the NFL on quarterback sacks. It's a very hard defense
to play against. So hey, he could throw two or
three picks and then people might say, oh, there you go,
he's still not very good. But just watching him these
last four or five weeks, there is a clear comfort
level in the way in which he is playing.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Listen, I've said it before, loudly and proudly. I like
my quarterbacks like my furniture, big and hard to move.
I like big quarterbacks. I have big, strong guys. I
watched Russell Wilson age overnight. Kyler Murray is a quickly
Tua maybe more than the previous two. I mean, when
you watch Tua, when I watch him Greg, this kid
(21:39):
doesn't want to get hit. I mean, I just I
watch a very apprehensive quarterback.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
Tua is part to me of a larger discussion that
has gotten a lot of conversation this week about pure
progression versus reading defense, you know, and the old school.
In fact, Kirk Cousin spoke about this so eloquently this
week two is very much sort of a pre snap quarterback.
(22:04):
He's got to hit his back foot, he's got to
deliver the ball with timing, with rhythm, and yeah, you
want your quarterbacks to do that, but that can't happen
on every play. And what's happened to his defenses have
gotten a much better feel for the kinds of throws
that he can make, and he has limitations and the
kinds of throws that he can make.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
So once you take.
Speaker 8 (22:23):
Those throw away or minimize his ability to make those throws,
there's not much more to do. There's not much more
in his toolbox. So I think that's what's happened. And
his arm strength quite frankly, I don't know if it's
gotten worse, but it's probably below NFL average standards.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Now.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
Now, do you need a gun to be a good
quarterback in the league. No, but there is a certain
level where you have to be able to make throws
that are not always within timing and structure, and he's
probably below that level right now.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
So it's interesting. Kyle Shanahan ripped off is the wrong term,
but a lot of people have picked up elements of
his offense and sure they're not fooling people with that
offense like they were six years ago or five years ago,
and yet it just keeps working. Now, I probably need
to give brock Purty more love, but they've done it
(23:15):
without Ayyuk Deebo's gone. Offensive line left tackles old, but
great Kittle hasn't lost a step. It feels like, but
I watched this offense and I'm like, Kyle's been running
this offense forever. Half the league's taken it and it's
still unbelievably effective. Has he tweaked it over time?
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (23:35):
Well, what you see a lot of are changes in
the use of pre snap movement and formations, because don't forget,
there's not a thousand concepts in the past game, for instance,
So it's how do you get to them? What is
your presentation to the defense? How do you get the
defense to react so you can gain leverage with your routes,
so you can win with your routes versus his own coverage,
(23:58):
so you can create space. The motion element, the pre
snap movement element, is so critical to what they do.
They've added a number of elements to that this year
that again show the defense a totally different presentation, but
there's an example when you get right down to it,
they've added all those things, but it's still a very
choreographed offense. It's you know, the term I would use
(24:21):
is there's an illusion of complexity to their offense in
what they do, which makes it difficult for the defense.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
But it's probably I would assume this.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
I'm not in the meetings obviously, but I would assume
in the way it's taught, it's probably relatively simple, but
there's a complexity illusion that's presented to the defense.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Okay, I want to let's end talking Eagles and Jalen Hurts.
This offense, yes, and I noted this earlier this week
feels like it's been broken since Week one. Stages of
being broken. Is there anything you've seen that's encouraging with
Jalen Hurts on the offense.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
Well, I certainly can't tell you why they do things
that they do. All I can tell you is the
last two weeks, including the loss by the way to
the Chargers, they've expanded their past game concepts and it's
been good to see they've started to do more things
which really helped Jalen Hurts, which really helped to define
reads and throws for him, and they've done that the.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Last two weeks.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
Like I said, I can't tell you why they didn't
do it weeks one through twelve.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
I'm not smart enough for that, Colin, but I do
know what I see on film, and they've definitely expanded it. Also,
what they started to do a little bit more, and
this was clearly part of what they did the last
number of years was more quarterback design runs and that.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Puts a lot of pressure on the defense.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
But I think you know, he threw a touchdown late
in the game last week. Obviously he was against the Raiders.
We know they're not very good. That doesn't mean a
lot to me. It's the execution. So let's go to
that play because I think it speaks a lot to
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
And you know he can make throws.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
He's a Super Bowl champion quarterback, you know, so he
can make throws.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
This was the.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Touchdown JJ Brown later in the game. But I really
like this play for a number of reasons. Number one,
you're going to see Hurts in the gun now he
has Shipley next to him here, not Barkley. Although Barkley's
on the field as well. Now, notice Shipley will shift
outside in what we call a plus split. He's far
outside the numbers to the wide side of the field.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
So now you have an empty set.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
And what you have here is something you don't see
very often, which is trips into the boundary, trips into
the short side of the field, and Barkley is on
that side of the field.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
So it's what we call a pony package.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
So now what you're going to get here as you
look to the top of the screen, you're going to
get Shipley running a slant route and aj Brown is
inside of him. He's going to run a steam route.
That's the two man route combination. Look where that post
safety is. He's cheated to the trip side of the field,
and that's important. So what you have to make sure
(26:57):
when you're Jalen Hurts when you take the snap is
he doesn't rotate over to play that seam route by Brown.
That's critical. If he rotates over, you can't throw it.
So now the ball's going to get snabbed and he's
going to stay outside. So now he is outside the
hashmark to the trip side. So now you have the
slant route by Shipley once he disappears.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Okay, here's the critical thing.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
Once Shipley disappears, Now the throat is to the seam,
but you have to beat the outside corner whose job
it is to overlap that route. So what does Hurtz
do really well here, it's the subtlety of the position.
He bends Brown in a little bit further. Instead of
throwing the straight seam, he bends him in just a
(27:45):
little bit further to make sure that that corner cannot.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Overlap that route.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
This is really this is high level quarterbacking here by Hurts,
And this is what you want to see.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Like I said, it's a detail, it's a nuance. It's
a subtlety.
Speaker 8 (27:59):
But you know that's what playing the quarterback position is.
And when I saw this on tape, I said that
that's just a really good play. So I'm really anxious
to see where their offense go is now Colin as
it continues down the last three games, and obviously.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
They're going to win the division, so they'll be in
the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
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as always. On a Thursday, Greg one.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
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Speaker 1 (28:32):
You know, j Mac, I'm a bit of a traditionalist,
and this time of the year, I don't know, I
get the warm and fuzzies.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Here.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I took out a pencil, number two pencil and some
note cards, and I wanted to set her. You know,
people I've wronged in college and pro football over the
last couple of months. You know I'm big enough man
to acknowledge I've hurt some feelings. So I thought i'd
i'd write some letters. Okay, okay, let's start. I mean,
(29:02):
he's led the Steelers to the number three red zone offense.
Let's start with Aaron Rodgers. Dear Aaron, I said this
offense was a rotary phone in a smartphone world, dated,
clunky and unnecessary. But like fries in a sandwich, Pittsburgh
didn't know they needed you. Now they can't live without you.
(29:22):
Buy Awuasca, Colin. You know I was tough on Dak
Prescott and the Cowboys this year, so I grabbed that
number two pencil. Dear Dak, I once said you were
not the guy you would back up the Brinks truck
for consider this my Texas size surrender. You can lead
(29:43):
a team and a league. If you were on my team,
I'd back up the Brinks truck, the Ben and Jerry's truck,
the Budweiser truck. Your friend Colin leads the NFL in
passing yards. You know what I'm want to send one
to his billionaire friend, Jerry Jones. Happy Yee Holidays, Jerry,
(30:03):
I said, you run the Cowboys like an impulse buy
at Bucky's that you like headlines over hardware and splash
over substance. This year's trade big splash, a cannon ball
off the yacht. Still you swung, So I'm holding up
a ten, Colin. How about rookie Jackson Dart. I was
(30:27):
tough on that kid. Dear Jackson, you spend more time
in a tent than an RII salesman, yet somehow come
out tougher, sharper, and more polished. You're like a developing polaroid.
I can't see the full picture yet, but I'm glad
you're shaking things up. Okay, scatted, go for now, Colin.
(30:54):
How about forty four year old Philip Rivers recently unretired.
Dear coach Rivers, I'm not sorry you talk trash. I'm
sorry the media did.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Sure you won't win the X Games, but you went
out there, grabbed your kids skateboard and landed the trick.
Bozo's like jamac doubted you, not me. Happy holidays, Colin.
How about my letter to Sam Darnold. Dear Sambo, I'd
like to apologize to absolutely nobody. You got the Hawks
(31:30):
at eleven and three, poised to be a number one seed.
I was early, I was loud, I was right. Colin Coward,
your thirteenth man. Happy holidays. How about this one to
USC coach Lincoln Riley. I just finished this one this morning.
Dearest Lincoln, here's my Lincoln letter. I said your Trojan
(31:53):
tenure was drifting, momentum gone, like a film that ran
out of budget. Then you recruited the number one recruiting class.
My apologies. You're greenlit for a trilogy, probably a spinoff.
Stay streaming, Colin. And finally, the new Louisiana State football
(32:16):
coach Lane Kiffin. Dearest Lane, I warned that heading to
LSU would be chaotic, combustible, and short lived. You know
what I'm gonna hang onto this for a few more weeks.
I'm not gonna send this one out yet. I mean,
(32:36):
he did crush it, old mess, but the governor's on
his butt. Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, a couple of
holiday letters. I saw this, J.
Speaker 7 (32:47):
Mack, Well, wait, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 9 (32:48):
I'm really proud of you for single handedly saving the
US Postal Service with all these letters and stamps. I mean,
well done, and getting in a dig at me and
calling me a Bozell. I like it, man, that's good stuff.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
That was fun.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
So I saw this story, and you know, I like
the Mannings, met all of them, like all of them.
It says here Arch Manning is wise for staying at Texas.
This is the headline because he can still be the
quarterback one in the twenty twenty seven draft. And I'll
tell you why. I am really cynical of that. So
(33:23):
he went to a high school that was a smaller school,
and some question the competition not his fault a reality,
So I thought, well, let's just see him at Texas well.
The first two years he sat, he had Sark, great
offensive coach and Texas talent, and then year three starts
with Texas talent and Sark and I can't unsee it
(33:46):
the first half of this year. Go back and look
at the UTEP game UTEP and that's my thing to
be a number one pick. The first time Caleb Williams
was thrust into a game, was not prepared for Ford
at Oklahoma, he was brilliant the first time Trevor Lawrence
(34:06):
started one of Natty as a freshman. Andrew Luck may
have red shirted, but our first glimpse of him, Wow,
those guys as number one picks feel sort of generational.
Like John Elway Arch sat for two years, had Sark
had Texas and they slowly crafted him, slowly developed him.
(34:33):
That doesn't feel like something that becomes the number one pick.
Like Fernando Mendoza was at Cal. He didn't set the
world on fire. But Cal's got no you know, they've
got like second tier talent. The minute he got elite talent,
not Ohio State talent, for good talent around him. I mean,
he's been unbelievable this year. So I think my take
(34:58):
is at Arch Manning Jen speaking Kobe at seventeen eighteen
years old, had the greatest workout. Jerry West, the late
Jerry West, said he'd ever seen. Lebron at seventeen, was
called the best high school basketball player ever. I think
when you're I think generational talent. Caleb Williams first snaps
whoa Andrew Look redshirt freshman year Trevor Lawrence. It doesn't
(35:22):
mean certain players can't develop slowly, but I do think
you know what's the page Becker's the Yukon basketball player.
I think she got a scholarship offer in the sixth grade.
I think generally, and remember this an example is he
had such an advantage being a Manning. All the family
(35:43):
members most played in the NFL. That's an advantage. So
I guess my take is he could be an NFL quarterback.
I like his athletic ability. I think he's got a
pretty good arm. But when I number one pick, I
think Tiger Woods, Cooper flagg Lebron. I think just generational stuff.
Obviously there's a lot of misses, but I don't know.
(36:05):
I just don't. I feel like next year, if Dante
Moore came out and Arch Manning came out, that would
be an easy decision for me. It would be Dante Moore.
And by the way, the Manning family may not want
the number one thing. I mean the number one pick
you often go to an awful team if you slide
a little bit, you know, often a huge advantage. But
(36:27):
the Serenas and Rory McElroy's and the traditional kind of
number one pick kind of I don't know. I just
think Eli Manning was underrated, so was Archie Peyton was
fairly rated. At this point. There's just stuff I can't
quite unsee yet. Here's sark on arch Manning coming back
(36:48):
for another year.
Speaker 10 (36:50):
He's a young man who's gotten considerably much better as
the season's gone on, and not only physically, but I
think mentally maturity wise. Of assuming that position, I would
think he's going to want another year of that growth
to put himself in position for hopefully a long career
in the NFL. And he's got some unfinished business for him.
(37:10):
I think the competitor him is going to say, man,
I sure would like another crack at trying to do
those things.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
So he's going to be twenty two in April. He's
not that young, and I guess he could be a
slow developer. I mean, Joe Burrow, like junior year, You're like,
I'm not sure, and then all of a sudden he
popped and throw with like sixty touchdowners. I think it
outrageous at LSU, but the headline is the thing that
caught my attention. Arch Manning is wise for staying at Texas.
He could still be quarterback one. I think what's going
(37:37):
to happen. Jaden Mayava going back to USC, Dante More
could stay at Oregon, Ty Simpson could stay at Alabama.
Next year's class could be could be pretty profound. We'll see.
I do think this year's class got a lot of criticism,
but I think Jackson Dart we have to be fair.
Jackson Dart is absolutely I saw him as kind of
(37:57):
a second round talent. Jackson Dart's been good. Too many
trips to the Blue Tent. But you know what, Drake
may spend some time in the blue tent his rookie year.
Justin Herbert put his head down, tried to run over
linebackers in safety, so did Baker Mayfield. You get popped
about six seven times, and all of a sudden, you
look at the Blue Tent and it's like that place
you don't want to go, right. So it'll be a
(38:19):
different j Max this weekend. I think an interesting game
Jacksonville's played a much lighter schedule than Denver. I do
think keep your eye on Jacksonville. I don't see a
lot of upsets. Oh, I do.
Speaker 7 (38:34):
Little closer, my friend, Oh you have one. Oh, I
mean listen, we've touched on a couple times this week.
I read it to you before the show.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
The Kansas City.
Speaker 9 (38:42):
Chiefs injury report screams a team that's just gonna shut
down a lot of dudes and have them play maybe
on Christmas Day at home against the Broncos, in like
a Travis Kelce sendoff. Reci Rice's concussed. Doesn't look like
he's gonna go. My fantasy team's not happy. But you
look around that that team, and there's a lot McDuffie
may not play.
Speaker 8 (39:01):
Now.
Speaker 9 (39:02):
I know Tennessee doesn't want to win, but there's still
a bunch of professional athletes who are young looking to
make an impression on the GM and keep their jobs.
Speaker 7 (39:11):
Kim Ward's not gonna suddenly stop trying.
Speaker 9 (39:13):
I think the Titans win that outright, this line has
come down four and a half to three. I think
it's going to keep coming down if the injury report
keeps getting bad for Casey.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
You know, what can I give you a sharp pick.
Everybody's talking Ravens. I like New England. Oh I think
three is too many points. I like New England at Baltimore.
That is, if they lose, it's close. The other thing.
Speaker 9 (39:36):
I just omitted, by the way Ravens Patriots will be
in headline tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
Just just laid the wager on one of those teams.
No tease, Just gonna put that out.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
There, Okay, any strong feeling Chargers at the Cowboys?
Speaker 7 (39:48):
Cowboys probably how I see.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I thought earlier in the week you were Chargers. I
you know, when you get humiliated or you play really
poorly in a big spot and the owners ripping the
defensive coordinator. I think Dallas is going to have one
of those kind of circle the wagons kind of like
play as well as they can possibly play. And it
feels like the Chargers are just figuring out ways to
win ugly and that may bite them at some point.
Speaker 9 (40:13):
They didn't look good, Collin. I mean, they somehow won,
but a lot of it had to do with the
Chiefs just stink.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
You know.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
The Chargers' offensive line is horrible.
Speaker 9 (40:20):
I mean, look at Justin Herbert's passing number since he's
got the broken hands.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Not good.
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