April 14, 2020 • 39 mins
Joe Burrow is not a transcendent talent so stop expecting him to be one
Nick Saban's criticism of why Tua got hurt so much is fair
Colin does his NFL mock draft for the first 12 picks
Guest: Herm Edwards, former Jets & Chiefs Head Coach now at Arizona State
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have a show today. In one hour from now, I
we'll give you my mock draft first twelve picks. Thought
a lot about it. My mock draft in one hour,
I've read everybody else's. My former employer doesn't allow their
people to have trades in the draft, which I think
is absurd because I've got a big one which I
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think is gonna happen. And Joy Taylor is joining me today. Joy,
how are you? I'm good, so you are gonna have
a lot of movements in your job. Yes, yes, I
think it's ridiculous to say, well, there's not gonna be
any trades. There's gonna be trades. Teams move up to
get quarterbacks. Ten of the last fourteen first round quarterbacks,
somebody's moved up to get them because they want them
and there's somebody else to wants them. So we are
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going to have a trade early in this draft, not
only in my mock draft, but we're gonna have one.
And I think it's obvious where it's gonna happen. So
let me just start with this. So I think all
these quarterbacks are fine. I think to Joe Burrow, justin
Herbert Jordan, loving Jordan loves a little more of a prospect,
but he's gonna be good. They're all gonna work in
this league. It's just gonna be it's gonna be timetables.
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Lamar Jackson had to wait eleven games to start Baker
and Sam Darnold, you know they started him right off
the bat. It's gonna take time. Josh Allen was pretty
bumpy early, but now it looks to be really good.
So I saw this yesterday and it's just you think
I'm criticizing Joe Burrow. Here I'm defending him, and remember
that for the next seven minutes. Boomerisiason, former NFL quarterback,
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compares Joe Burrow too to Lebron James. Okay, so we
got Daniel Jeremiah, my buddy compared him to Brady An
NFL scout anonymously compared him to Peyton Manning, Joel Clatt
compared him to Joe Montana, and Boomerasiasen's comparing him to
Lebron James. Two words, good hell. He is none of those.
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Those are legends. First of all. When it comes to legends,
most not all, but most have a physical gift. They
look different, or they have a skill that's different. Russell
Wilson never gets hit eight years running around. He is
uniquely mobile. He is a legend. Brett Farve had one
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of the best arms in league history. Joe Nameth one
of the best arms in league history. They have a skill,
they have something a physical trade. It's often Lebron James
looked different, Tiger Woods was driving the ball. Thed to
change courses for Tiger Woods. So most legends. Trevor Lawrence
to me, has a chance to be a legend Clemson
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quarterback six six rifle, huge arm, huge hands, massive physical frame.
That's what legends look like at nineteen years old. Joe
Burrow is six three and a half two fifteen, kind
of a skinny neck. They say average arm. It's not
a special arm. His hand size is nine. That's below
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ideal hand size. He's not physically blowing you away. John
Elway walked into this league first year in the league's
strongest arm, Brett Fark's strongest arm. Aaron Rodgers walked in,
Dan Marino walked in pal I went to a party
one time. I know this is a strange name drop,
the late Hugh Hefner. He had the Heff's mansion in
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like you know, real Ritzie part of Los Angeles, right,
So I got invited to a party and there was
all sorts of like stars there. Peyton Manning towered over
the crowd. Peyton Manning is six five. If you ever
see Peyton Manning in person, he's six five, big head,
big shoulders, big butt. He's a big man. There were
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all sorts of boxers and celebrities there. Peyton you could
see him from fifty feet away. Peyton Manning was big.
Tom Brady in person six five. You ever bumped into Tom.
Tom's huge. The average American man's five ten. Tom Brady's
seven inches taller. He's big, He's got big hands, he's
got a big butt. These are big athletes, most legends.
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Lebron looked different. Tiger look. Magic was a six nine
and a half point guard. The Kareem abdulal Jabbar was
running up and down the court at UCLA. They wouldn't
let freshman play. He walked into Ucla. The Bruins were
the national champions. Kareem Abdul, he was Luell center at
the time, walked in to UCLA. He was longer and
stronger and faster than all the other players who had
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just won the national championship. He led the freshman team
to a thirty point route at UCLA over the national
champions of the previous year. He was physically different. Wilt
was physically different, Magic, Lebron, Michael Jordan, Well, he was
a la So let's just start with that. The physical dimension,
he doesn't have it. He isn't. He's Tony Romo. He's
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a pro athlete, but he's not physically impressive. The second
thing is that it took him years to produce. He
only produced in college, not even at LSU, because he
didn't produce at LSU as junior year. He only produced
when everything went right. Legends produce despite obstacles. He wasn't
good as junior year at LSU. They had all these
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NFL players. He wasn't any good. He could put in
fifty seven percent of his throws at LSU, Tua was
great Day one, National Championship game. Great Day one. That's
what legends do. Justin Fields, Ohio State sophomore great best
player arguably in the Big Tennis as sophomore. Do you
realize only six players in the first round will probably
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be seniors? Great jumps off the television screen early. You
don't sit around and wait for everything to line up perfectly.
Then you lead it to winning. That doesn't again, Joe Burrow,
you think I'm ripping him. People are calling him a legend.
He's not physically elite, and he didn't pop until his
final year in college. That's not the way legends work.
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There's only one comedian in the history of comedy that
was a late starter, Rodney Dangerfield, John Stewart, Bill Maher,
The Dennis Miller's, the Steve Harvey's. These guys were like seventeen, eighteen,
nineteen twenty and had agents and scouts all over him
and were popping Jerry Seinfeld, Jay Leno, Chris Rock. They
didn't hit it forty two. They didn't hit it thirty
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eight at twenty one years old, Andrea to see Tennis,
Serena Williams. It's twelve and you don't wait. They don't
grow into Kevin Garnett was like sixteen years old and
people are like, He's the next great thing. Lebron was fifteen,
the chosen one. Bryce Harper cover of Sports Illustrated sixteen.
So legends look different and legends don't grow into it. Well,
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what about Tom Brady. There are exceptions, but it should
be noted Brady physically is way bigger than the average
NFL quarterback. You put Brady next to Aaron Rodgers, Tom
is significantly bigger, and Aaron's great. He is significantly bigger
than Aaron Rodgers. He stands next to Dak He's bigger.
He's a six five and a half quarterback. Brady who
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got drafted by the major leagues in high school. He
is a special athlete. You just you know, you look
at Lamar or Russell Wilson, he doesn't. He doesn't add
up there physically as a speed guy. So here's another
thing to remember. So physically he doesn't look like a legend. Secondly,
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he popped only when everything lined up for him. But
here are the players taken of all the current starting
quarterbacks in the NFL. Here are the quarterbacks taken as
the first quarterback in their draft. Of the current starters Kyler, Murray,
Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Mitch Rubisky.
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Here are the current starting quarterbacks in the NFL taken
as the second quarterback in the draft they were in.
Patrick Mahomes, Carson Wentz, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Sam Darnold,
Daniel Jones, Philip Rivers, a lot more wins. Why because
Joe Burrows not gonna have the kind of coach Mahomes does,
or Wentz does, or Breeze or a Rodgers. When you
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go first, you go to a worst team, a worse owner,
a worst GM, and generally a worse scouting department. So
Burrow's going to have a major disadvantage. Not to mention
he enters a division now which is stacked defensively. He
enters a division against the Rooney family in Pittsburgh. Steve
Bashotti owns the Ravens. Those are two of the top
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five ownership groups in the NFL. What does that mean?
They hired better coaches, they have better scouts, they have
better executives, they have better organizations. If you go back
twenty years, twenty years and you take the Ravens and
the Steelers seasons, So if you go back twenty years,
take two NFL teams, that's forty total seasons. Right, Four
times the Steelers or Ravens have been below five hundred.
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The Bengals in four years have been below five hundred
four times. Burroughs not a legend. He's not physically a legend.
Legends don't wait forever to pop. Don't give me this.
Michael Jordan, he got cut from his high school team
as a freshman. Michael Jordan was a McDonald's All American
who got recruited by, at the time, the most notable
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coach in college basketball, Dean Smith. Dean Smith was bigger
than coach K when Michael came out, and then Michael
won a national title. That's a Freshman and Carolina and
then broke into the NBA and was a blizzard offensively,
a relentless tiger, a blizzard. You couldn't stop him. Players
couldn't get along with him. Coaches, he got him fired,
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but he was relentless. Larry Bird couldn't stop him. The
Pistons couldn't stop him. Now he couldn't carry the bulls
over those teams, but they couldn't stop him. So these,
oh my lord, we've got him stacked up as Peyton,
Manning and Lebron James, and it's just so unfair. He's
gonna be a nice NFL player. We gotta take a
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deep breath on Joe Burrow. He's been compared to Brady,
Peyton Manning, Lebron James, and Joe Montana. Give me a
break on this stuff. He's gonna be Tony Romo, no titles,
good kid, works hard, gets his brains beat in by
better organizations in the same division. Be sure to catch
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a Empacific. You know, I like ta I do think
the medical stuff is. It's worrisome. I've said before. I
see Drew Brees a left handed. I think he's bizarrely accurate.
I think he's an unbelievable leader. And if you asked
me to sum up Drew Breese in two words, I
would say accuracy and leadership. I think two is that.
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But too has got an injury, and it's real and
it's scaring. Teams should be noted. Drew Brees's injuries early
scared teams. The Miami Dolphins today still regret it. So
are they going to pass on TWA if he's available,
pass on breeze and TWA. I would have a hard
time doing that if I was down in Miami. So
but Nick Saban knows him better than anybody because he
recruited him. He spent two three years recruiting him out
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of high school. Then he lands him that he has
him for three years. They're very tight. And Saban offers
a criticism of Twa that I think is incredibly valid
and something I'm not sure you can correct. Most of
his injuries here have occurred when he extends plays and
he does not give up on the play, and it's
because he's a great competitor and you certainly, you know,
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don't want to inhibit that spirit in any way, shape
or form. But there's also a time to be smart.
Both ankle injuries that got in even his hip injury
this year, or all because you know, he was trying
to make a play when the play had broken down
and it really there wasn't anything there and to throw
the ball away sometimes is okay. Now, think about this.
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Nick Saban's a great coach. He couldn't coach that out
of him. Okay, Nick Saban's better than nine of the
guys coaching in the NFL. He may not be Andy
Reid or Sean Payton maybe he is, or Belichick maybe
he is, but he's better than almost everybody on the
planet coaching. And he couldn't coach that out of him.
And I've said this before. I've ever had a therapist
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for you know, I don't now currently, but I've had
my life gone to therapy and the last therapist I
had said something that really stuck with me. I think
I told this to Joy before. Change is hard. If
you wanted to change, most people don't want to that.
People tend to revert back who they are in a
time of crisis or when they're challenged. When the pocket collapses,
This is who two is. He's a playmaker. Can you
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coach it out of him? Baker Mayfield people are like,
you know, he's just a little cocky. This is who
he is. You've got to own it, know it, accept it,
and build around it. Kirk Cousins, I've had two people
inside the Vikings organization tell me he gets anxious in
big spots. He's a teeth clencher. That's who he is.
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Build a formula around him that can overcome that innate
DNA quality. Tom Brady is better in the fourth than
the first quarter. That's who he is. You can't teach that.
Brett Farve's a classic example. We all have a default mechanism, right,
we all have something we go to in a crisis.
And Brett Farve had one of, if not the greatest
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NFL arm I've ever seen. It was way up there
with Elway Marino. He just had a cannon and it
was his default mechanism. Because Brett Farve's arm had saved
him in so many instances high school, college dupro that
anytime there was an issue, Brett was like, Okay, this
is my de facto out. I am going to letter rip.
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He leads the NFL all time and interceptions. He is
also one of the greatest players in league history. But
that's innately who Brett is. You could not coach that
sort of mindset out of him. Oh crap here, I
am in trouble. I can squeeze that thing in there.
That's who he was, and you have to build around
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that gun slinger mentality to a pocket collapses his innate response,
I'm moving, I'm a playmaker. Nick Saban couldn't coach it
out of him, and Nick Saban's a top five coach
in the world of football. So Andy Reid's talked about this.
I find what you are, and I heighten and elevate
what you are and try to never ask what you're not.
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So the criticism by Saban is interesting, is too abound
to get hurt in the pros because he has this
quality that Nick couldn't coach out of him. And if
Nick can't come coach it out of him, could an
Anthony Lynn could have Brian Flores. It's interesting, it's smart,
it's something to think about. I will one more heard.
The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days
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live or on demand whenever you'd like. So I'm gonna
do a mock draft. Everybody's got a mock draft. I
think the longer you give a weather forecast as a meteorologist,
the less accurate you are. So I'm not going to
go through the entire first round. I'm gonna go twelve
picks Bengals to the Raiders. Raiders had a great draft
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last year. So here we go. Here is my mock draft.
I'm into this stuff. I always have been. I'm a
total dork. I get it. I'm living with it. Here
we go, all right. Number one the Cincinnati Bengals. Easiest
pick on the board. Pick LSU quarterback Joe Burrow. He
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had a great year. He's a nice to me B
plus prospect. They need a quarterback, they have a knee.
He's there. He's from Ohio. He went to Athens High
School in the Plains. So Joe Burrow goes to the Bengals.
Number two the Redskins, second easiest take on the board.
Although I do believe Washington would have discussions about trading this.
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Chase Young all time leader at Ohio State and sacks
for a single season, remarkable considering the both the Boys
went there. It's interesting. Washington is actually pretty good upfront
defensively top third in the NFL and sacks. I think
Ron Rivera could engineer even more with his schemes, but
Chase Young is a once in a every five year
pass rush talent. They get him number three. Okay, we
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gotta trade the Chargers and Detroit Lions flop picks. The
Chargers move up to three, the Lions back to six,
and the Lions get a corner from the Chargers and
two draft picks to move up, and the Chargers take
Justin Herbert. Last four NFL drafts, the fourteen first round quarterbacks,
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ten people moved up to get him. I think the
Chargers are sending out messages they want him without saying it.
The four biggest games for Herbert last year Auburn, Wisconsin, Utah, Washington.
He played great or at least very well in all
four and came one play away from going four. And
oh he's NFL ready. He'll sit for a year and
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then be the Chargers franchise quarterback. Number four. The New
York Giants take Clemson stud Isaiah Simmons. Listen, they have
two really good defensive tackles. They need playmakers. They gave
up over twenty eight points a game defensively in a
division with the offensively gifted Cowboys and Carson Wentz in
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the Eagles. They gotta make stops. They're not winning games
in this division regardless of how good Daniel Jones is
until they make stops and Simmons can solve a lot
of their issues. Number five Dolphins. They take two one
hundred and ninety nine career efficients. He passer rating in
college football best of all time. This organization passed on
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Drew Breese years ago, who had some injuries. They've regretted
it since two is not a perfect candidate because of
the medical issues. He can get healthy behind Ryan Fitzpatrick.
The Dolphins will also, with fourteen draft picks, build an
offensive line, let it mature for a year in bake
before twa plays. Number six this is the Lions now,
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who got a corner and a draft picker two from
the Chargers. They take Derek Brown. He's the best interior
defensive lineman in the draft. They lost a couple of
defensive tackles in free agency. They also allowed four hundred
yards a game, second worst in the NFL. So Matt
Patrician Bob Quinn. They get draft picks from the Chargers,
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a starting corner from the Chargers, and now get the
best interior defensive lineman in the draft. Really good start
for the Lions. In this year's draft, Number seven, the
Carolina Panthers take Ohio State corner of Jeff Okuda. The
Lions liked him, but couldn't pass up the trade to
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get a corner and a top defensive lineman. The Panthers
allowed twenty nine points a game, last year's second worst
in the NFL. Also lost their best corner to free agency,
James Bradberry, so Ocuda drops a couple of spots. Lions
wanted him, but had to bite at what the Chargers
offered to get Herbert they moved down. The Panthers are
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the beneficiary getting the best corner from a university Ohio
State that's a factory factory for corners. Number eight, the
Arizona Cardinals take Iowa offensive tackle Tristan Worf's listen Kyler
Murray got sacked forty eight times. Now, just consider that
that is arguably the second or third most mobile quarterback
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in the league got sacked forty eight times. They have
to protect their ass set. They've also got DeAndre Hopkins.
They went out and got a Kenyan Drake, so they've
got him weapons. They've got their coach, they got their quarterback.
Now they have to protect him. They get Tristan Worse
number nine. The Jags take the best receiver easily in
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this draft, Jerry Judy. Listen, they're tanking to get a
quarterback next year. When they get Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields,
they're gonna hand him the best young wide receiver talent
in two or three drafts in Jerry Judy. He is spectacular.
This team has a million things they have to worry about.
But I don't think there's gonna be a wide receiver
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as good last year, this year, or next year as
Judy and the Jags get him. The Cleveland Browns at
number ten. What did they do in the offseason? They
have terrible tackles. They went and got a right tackle,
Jack Conklin and free agency. Nice player. They need a
left they'll get McKay Beckton Baker was sacked forty times
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last year. The interior of their old lines not bad.
They were really below average at tackle, So they get
a free agency right tackle, they get a starting left tackle.
I think this is a really obvious pick. Number eleven
The New York Jets. Okay, fifty two sacks last year.
They've already gone out in free agency and found a
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right tackle, Noah Fant, and a center Connor McGovern. They
will go and draft Jedrick Wills, an underrated tackle for Bama.
I think I think he's as good as any of
the tackles. They'll put him out to the left side,
so now they have rebuilt their offensive line for Sam Darnold.
Second round, they'll get a corner. Third round, they have
two picks. They'll get a receiver and another interior offensive
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lineman or a linebacker. The Jets take Jedrick Wills, and
finally twelve, the Raiders take C. J. Henderson, the fastest corner.
Raiders love speed. Listen. They nailed their draft last year,
and they went with a lot of offensive players tight end, receiver,
running back. This year, they've got to solve defense. You're
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in a division with Patrick Mahomes. You gotta get corners
and you gotta get edge rushers, and they feel they
got the latter last draft. This year they go for
a Gator and get a corner. All right, there's my
mock draft. I just had so much fun doing that.
You have no idea. You have no idea how much
I liked it. I could be wrong on all picks
except Joe Burrow. He's going to SINCI that I know.
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FS one and the iHeartRadio. Herm Edwards is joining me.
There are a few people I've ever worked with that
have left more of an imprint, kind of an indelible
imprint on watching him lead, watching him talk. He's an entertainer,
and this is one of the reasons Arizona States recruiting
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has been unbelievable. By the way, you know we're talking
about all these quarterbacks. They got a kid named Jayden
Daniels who played last year as a true freshman. All
folks about two years Jaden Daniels. Well, not this draft,
but two drafts from that as a true junior, Jayden
Daniels maybe the number one player picked. By the way,
Herm is a defensive guy. How did you convince an
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unbelievable quarterback to come to your defensive and running program.
How'd you do that? Well, this is where you have
to make him understand that is any head coach, he's
only as good as a quarterback he has. Hey, you
know there's this guy that just left New England. You
know that Captain America guy. Yeah, his coach is a
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defensive guy too. Right. You once told me, Herm, you said,
I remember this. We were at ESPN together and you said, Colin,
if I'd had a healthy quarterback, I wouldn't be broadcasting
sitting next to you. I'd be in the league. You
you had a lot of success. You know. It's funny
because here comes the draft and I like Joe Burrow.
He's a nice player. But good god, the LSU team
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was loaded. I like to of but there's the injury.
But I want to talk about Justin Herbert. You you
faced him twice and you gave him fits Boy and Tempe.
It was a mess for him. You intercepted him four
times in two games. You won one, you lost one.
But let's go back to this, Herm. You brought NFL
concepts to the college game at Arizona State. What did
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you throw at Justin Herbert that both times confused him. Well,
I think you know all quarterbacks, their ability to read
your mail before pre snap helps them. Um, we try
to disguise coverage on Ny. Gave him some different looks
up front, forced him in, some forced him some mone
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downs too as well. Colins. You know when when I
say the none downs put him in position where he
has to throw it. Yeah, yeah, And you know what
we didn't. We were fortunate enough early in the games
we brought pressure and that got him uncomfortable a little bit.
I think the guy has a tremendous skill set. He's big,
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he's strong and athletic. I thought we saw his athleticism
and the rose walls when he ran. You know, people
don't know he can run that good. He can run,
he can avoid, got a strong arm, you know. But
but the column you know this, and I've said this
many a time when I was on your show's back
up and the worldwide leader, is that most quarterbacks are
system needing in the league. Yeah, and I think wherever
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these guys go, whether it's Joe Burrow, whether his love,
whether it's just Herbert with his too a. You know what,
what what are are there? Are the coordinators or the
quarterback coach who willing to build a system around the
kids skill set, because if they're not, they're gonna fail.
The prime example, say what you want is the guy
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that plays for the Rams. Now, all of a sudden,
the skill set and the development of that guy was
built around when he could do well. Yea, his first
couple of years, everybody did this guy's a buck. Well,
all of a sudden he comes in there and he
changed its offense a little bit around what this guy
could do. Pretty good quarterback, all right, Yeah, he throws
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out Jared Goff throws, of course, a very beautiful, beautiful ball.
He's got a lot of Matt Ryan qualities. He throws
an incredibly catchable ball, probably a better long ball than
Matt Ryan has. And he's become a very very good quarterback.
So when you look at this draft, you were a
defensive guy. You were a very good corner in the
NFL and college. So that would lead me to believe,
boy herm, if he was running a franchise the Jets
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and the Chiefs, he would know defensive guys. But then
I think you faced offensive guys, So maybe you're better
at knowing offensive guys when you were with the Chiefs
and the Jets. What did you feel most comfortable drafting? Well, Colin,
I was kind of in a unique position because I
came into league as a part time coach, but a scout,
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so I learned how to evaluate. And the first thing
I did I can remember going to training camp with
the Chiefs my first time there. Howard mud was the
offensive line coach. Great offensive line, yeah, and I knew
enough about football the skilled positions, but really didn't know
a lot about offensive line play. And so I sat
at night in his meetings with the offensive line and
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learned how he coached them because I wanted to know
how do these guys play right? And so I learned positions.
But my ability to sit in the room was listening
to the coaches coach him. So then when they went
on the field, I said, this is what he's teaching
this guy right and figured that kind of stuff out.
So for me, when I look at the draft and
I was in a position coach then became a head coach,
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I had a pretty good idea of the positions. Always
sat in the quarterback room. You gotta sit in the
quarterback rooms. I mean that's important when when the seasons
are you're in the quarterbacks rooms. I mean you're kind
of listening to the quarterback and you're kind of talking
to him from a defensive side of it. Hey, no
different than what I do, Jane, I said, James. When
they do this, when they give you this look, this
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is what's about to happen. Right, And so because you
and a quarterback are connected together, Well, if I'm a
defensive guy and I can sit in the quarterback's womb
early in the week after I've looked at the take,
you know, with the coordinator as well, and give him,
give him some giveing some some some information from a
defensive coach's eye on what the problem is and what
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he does to present a problem to the defense as well.
Herm Edwards is joining us. So you look at twa
and it's easy to say, well, he got hurt in college.
You'll get hurt in the pros like Sam Bradford. But
I would say this, Patrick Mahomes had a risk surgery
in college acl joint issue, got knocked out of a game.
He's been hurt in the NFL. Carson Wentz hurt in college,
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hurt in the NFL. If a guy's got talent, Drew Brees.
Dolphins passed on him, Saints didn't. He had injuries. I
think too, it is draftable and I like him. Would
you be concerned making him your franchise quarterback if you
were a Miami or the Chargers. It's it's it's the
eye of the beholder, and you make some great points there.
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You know, some players come in that that have an
injury record and some guys go they get concerned about injuries. Um,
I take the type of injury A lot of times
they have something to do with it. But what's today
and modern medicine and the way these physicians can do things.
I mean, it's like, okay's young guy. Arrows are pointing up.
He's still young and all those things going to factory.
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And let me tell you some if you don't have
a quarterback. But if you don't have one, let me
tell you though. You're going, hey, we ain't got a guy.
And I said, and if this guy's coming in with
a little injury, he's better than the guys we've got
right now. Yeah. Well, I mean look at Arizona State.
You land Jaden Daniels and it's changed your program. I
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mean it just the bottom line is when I watch
you play, you are You've always been good defensively, but
the ability now to win nine or ten games is
gonna be because you've found the right quarterback who's a
remarkably poised player for nineteen years old. The kid is
just it's just incredible how good he is. I think
he is the next I honestly believe this next year
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it's gonna be Trevor Lawrence at Clemson and justin Fields
Ohio State. I think the following year your quarterback is
gonna be the number one potentially. Do you think he
has that talent? Well, he has talent, there's no doubt.
And he's a hard worker. I think with with with
Zach Heel now running this new offense, I think it's
going to fit a lot of things he can do. Well.
You know that that boys you state offense or something,
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and I like it. They say run the ball to
give you a lot of different formations, personnel groups. That's
all NFL set, and that's what guys want. Make you
go on the center some I mean, all those things occur,
but it's just not only on the quarterback, you know,
because those guys are only good as the guys that
protect him, and you've got how to have a good
offensive line. If you're gonna have if if you're going
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to win, it ain't lep and you know that's something
will continue to trying to build around here. But if
we can protect him, this kid's got champa be really good,
there's no doubt. So when you look at players in
the draft, like I can look at a Joe Burrow,
but he played with so many great play and so
go back to your Chiefs and Jets days, herm when
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you were drafting now, Rich McKay, You and I both
know Rich McKay former Tampa Bay and Rich used always
tell me when I covered him in Tampa and he
built that Super Bowl team down in Tampa. He said, listen,
I like guys who came from big programs that were
on national TV games with ninety eight thousand in the stadium,
and they were great in big games because that's the NFL.
It's pressure. When you were with the Jets, I think
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LSU guys usually make it in the NFL. They've played
in so many big games. Does it worry you a
little though that Burrow played with nine NFL guys. I
mean he and he didn't pop until his senior year
with all those guys. Does that concern you? Yeah, I
think that can concern some guy. But but I look
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at the position this way. First of all, is he
a leader that checks the box? He's a leader in
big moments on the road when he has to throw
the ball and everybody knows it and the aklan, does
he move the team? I learned this from from Joe Montana.
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You know, I played against Joe in the league and
Joe came to Kansas City there with Marcus Allen, those guys.
He made all run that year. He gets knocked out
against the Bills in the championship game. So I'm sitting
going to practice with Joe and we're just talking and
the conversation comes up and said what kind of team
is this? And I said, Joe got pretty good football team.
He said, Kensey's a good football team. He said, you know,
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he said, you know, good quarterbacks win four games for you.
I looked at him and said, well, he said they
win four games year, And what are you talking about?
He says, well, you know in the fourth quarter and
when you're on the road and you know you're down,
they find a way to to bring the team back
to score and you win. I look at him and
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I went and I never thought of it that way.
But that's what they do in the moments when you
got to make the play, regardless of the circumstance, regardless
of the cast you have around you. Does he makes
the play? Didn't do it? And to me, that's the
sign of a good quarterback. If you look at these
NFL quarterbacks, if he asked something now, Colin, if you
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got if you got Aaron Rodgers, if you're on the
road and he's got one possession left, you probably feel
pretty good about him having an opportunity to go down
to win the game, right, Yeah, him and Russell Wilson
and Dad. Yeah, yeah, we know who they are. They
do it. And if he ended the season in sixteen games,
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it's going to be a tight game. Will you read score?
They do it. That's a separation, that's yeah, it's you know,
it's so funny. In this league. The average game is
decided by four points. I mean, it's it's crazy. And
so I mean, I can go back to Super Bowls.
I mean, Brady and Russell Wilson are in a game,
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it's one play that decides it. Go back to Brady
in the Super Bowl against Atlanta, Edelman's catch one play.
I mean, it's it is remarkable. The difference between being
an NFL head coach and having to end up being
an NFL commentator is And you had Chad Pennington, but
he got hurt. Now, finally you have worked at the
NFL level, and you've worked as a commentator and a
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motivational speaker, and you work at the college level with
all this information. At the college level, we know that
when Pete went Pete Carroll went college to pro herm,
he had three great drafts because he knew all the players.
Mike Mayock of the Raiders, he watched all these players
in college, goes to the Raiders, he has a great
draft Herm. I could argue after this year, two years,
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you could go back to the NFL and you would
know this college footprint and all these players because you
recruited them. Is there a possibility you'd go back to
pro football? No? Is it? This is my last stand
right here. I'm going to build a program and hopefully
we can win the Pac twelve and hopefully win a
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Rolls Bowl and then hand it over to somebody else.
I'm having the blast. I've missed my players at this
point in time, you know. Uh, and the fact that
with the virus, and look as we're talking, I can't
say enough about all the first responders, all the medical
folks all over the country, all the people that that
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that are putting their lives in harm's way trying to
save those that have bought the virus, you know, And
it's it's it's remarkable to see when you turn the
television on and watch all these doctors and just people
that just continue to to go into buildings knowing, you
know what, I could come out with the virus. Those
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are the heroes. Column Yeah, those are truly the hero
So I love that you're having a good time. So
so you even liked the recruiting. Oh yeah, wait, look,
come on, come on. You know that's that's really really
good fun, right, you know when when when you're talking
to the young people. I like meeting the parents and
the guardians of a lot of these young men because
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you find out a lot about the family. Yeah, you know,
and a lot of those homes are like my home.
You know. I look out him and I go, hey,
I get it. I know where to come from. I
get it. I understand this. Did you did you? Did
you have a lot growing up or not much? Not much?
I mean football was my way out. Yeah. I knew
being an athlete was gonna give me an opportunity to
go to college. I was the first graduate out of
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our you know, out of our family. I mean my
mom was a German war bride, and my father joined
the army when we at seventeen years old. You know,
he fought in the World War Two and the Korean War. Yeah,
football got you out. You went to cal didn't you?
Where's you go? Went to cow Home, Mike, you know,
right out of high school. All those hippies and herm Edwards.
Oh my god, can you imagine that going there in
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nineteen seventy two. I went up there and went, what
is this place? Yeah? It was boy, that was the
that was the height of it. It was none but
marijuana and hippies. Yeah. I grew up in a great era.
You're talking about the Civil rights movement. Yeah, you know
you're I tell the story. I told you this story.
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You know at thirteen years old, you know that Monterey
pop fliple they had under a Monterey are here. Yeah, look,
my baby sinner took me to that thing and wasn't
supposed to be going. And I thought Jimmy Hendrick burn
to guitar. I became a Jimmy Hendris fan after that
death over that nineteen s nineteen sixty eight, and I'm like,
who is this guy, Jimmy Hendricks, I asked me. Watched
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Jimmy burn to guitar on stage. Wow, that's great playing
the Fame College. A lot of things that happened to
me in my life. But I actually called Jimmy. I said,
I've seen Jimmy live. God, You've had a full life,
my friend. I've been I've been very fortunate. I've been blessed.
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A lot of people helped me along the way. I'm
gonna tell you something. You're a good friend, and you
know this, and you helped me. I mean when I
when I when I went to work for the Worldwide Leader.
You know, watching how you work and how organized you
were in discipline and how you gathered your thoughts. I
mean I watched all that. You know, I'm a I'm
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a guy who always searching for knowledge. And you watch
people in certain professions and you you gain knowledge from them,
and and you know, you guys helped me a lot
and I love coming on your show in the morning
getting you all fired up. Man, that was a lot
of fun too. You know well her and my room.
I'm you know where my daughter goes to school down
today as shoe and um, I just I'm so high proud.
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But it's just been an amazing story and continued success
and I love having you on occasionally in Go Devils.
Thank you, bro, God bless you man. Stay stay put.
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have a show today. In one hour from now, I
we'll give you my mock draft first twelve picks. Thought
a lot about it. My mock draft in one hour,
I've read everybody else's. My former employer doesn't allow their
people to have trades in the draft, which I think
is absurd because I've got a big one which I
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think is gonna happen. And Joy Taylor is joining me today. Joy,
how are you? I'm good, so you are gonna have
a lot of movements in your job. Yes, yes, I
think it's ridiculous to say, well, there's not gonna be
any trades. There's gonna be trades. Teams move up to
get quarterbacks. Ten of the last fourteen first round quarterbacks,
somebody's moved up to get them because they want them
and there's somebody else to wants them. So we are
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going to have a trade early in this draft, not
only in my mock draft, but we're gonna have one.
And I think it's obvious where it's gonna happen. So
let me just start with this. So I think all
these quarterbacks are fine. I think to Joe Burrow, justin
Herbert Jordan, loving Jordan loves a little more of a prospect,
but he's gonna be good. They're all gonna work in
this league. It's just gonna be it's gonna be timetables.
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Lamar Jackson had to wait eleven games to start Baker
and Sam Darnold, you know they started him right off
the bat. It's gonna take time. Josh Allen was pretty
bumpy early, but now it looks to be really good.
So I saw this yesterday and it's just you think
I'm criticizing Joe Burrow. Here I'm defending him, and remember
that for the next seven minutes. Boomerisiason, former NFL quarterback,
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compares Joe Burrow too to Lebron James. Okay, so we
got Daniel Jeremiah, my buddy compared him to Brady An
NFL scout anonymously compared him to Peyton Manning, Joel Clatt
compared him to Joe Montana, and Boomerasiasen's comparing him to
Lebron James. Two words, good hell. He is none of those.
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Those are legends. First of all. When it comes to legends,
most not all, but most have a physical gift. They
look different, or they have a skill that's different. Russell
Wilson never gets hit eight years running around. He is
uniquely mobile. He is a legend. Brett Farve had one
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of the best arms in league history. Joe Nameth one
of the best arms in league history. They have a skill,
they have something a physical trade. It's often Lebron James
looked different, Tiger Woods was driving the ball. Thed to
change courses for Tiger Woods. So most legends. Trevor Lawrence
to me, has a chance to be a legend Clemson
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quarterback six six rifle, huge arm, huge hands, massive physical frame.
That's what legends look like at nineteen years old. Joe
Burrow is six three and a half two fifteen, kind
of a skinny neck. They say average arm. It's not
a special arm. His hand size is nine. That's below
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ideal hand size. He's not physically blowing you away. John
Elway walked into this league first year in the league's
strongest arm, Brett Fark's strongest arm. Aaron Rodgers walked in,
Dan Marino walked in pal I went to a party
one time. I know this is a strange name drop,
the late Hugh Hefner. He had the Heff's mansion in
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like you know, real Ritzie part of Los Angeles, right,
So I got invited to a party and there was
all sorts of like stars there. Peyton Manning towered over
the crowd. Peyton Manning is six five. If you ever
see Peyton Manning in person, he's six five, big head,
big shoulders, big butt. He's a big man. There were
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all sorts of boxers and celebrities there. Peyton you could
see him from fifty feet away. Peyton Manning was big.
Tom Brady in person six five. You ever bumped into Tom.
Tom's huge. The average American man's five ten. Tom Brady's
seven inches taller. He's big, He's got big hands, he's
got a big butt. These are big athletes, most legends.
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Lebron looked different. Tiger look. Magic was a six nine
and a half point guard. The Kareem abdulal Jabbar was
running up and down the court at UCLA. They wouldn't
let freshman play. He walked into Ucla. The Bruins were
the national champions. Kareem Abdul, he was Luell center at
the time, walked in to UCLA. He was longer and
stronger and faster than all the other players who had
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just won the national championship. He led the freshman team
to a thirty point route at UCLA over the national
champions of the previous year. He was physically different. Wilt
was physically different, Magic, Lebron, Michael Jordan, Well, he was
a la So let's just start with that. The physical dimension,
he doesn't have it. He isn't. He's Tony Romo. He's
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a pro athlete, but he's not physically impressive. The second
thing is that it took him years to produce. He
only produced in college, not even at LSU, because he
didn't produce at LSU as junior year. He only produced
when everything went right. Legends produce despite obstacles. He wasn't
good as junior year at LSU. They had all these
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NFL players. He wasn't any good. He could put in
fifty seven percent of his throws at LSU, Tua was
great Day one, National Championship game. Great Day one. That's
what legends do. Justin Fields, Ohio State sophomore great best
player arguably in the Big Tennis as sophomore. Do you
realize only six players in the first round will probably
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be seniors? Great jumps off the television screen early. You
don't sit around and wait for everything to line up perfectly.
Then you lead it to winning. That doesn't again, Joe Burrow,
you think I'm ripping him. People are calling him a legend.
He's not physically elite, and he didn't pop until his
final year in college. That's not the way legends work.
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There's only one comedian in the history of comedy that
was a late starter, Rodney Dangerfield, John Stewart, Bill Maher,
The Dennis Miller's, the Steve Harvey's. These guys were like seventeen, eighteen,
nineteen twenty and had agents and scouts all over him
and were popping Jerry Seinfeld, Jay Leno, Chris Rock. They
didn't hit it forty two. They didn't hit it thirty
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eight at twenty one years old, Andrea to see Tennis,
Serena Williams. It's twelve and you don't wait. They don't
grow into Kevin Garnett was like sixteen years old and
people are like, He's the next great thing. Lebron was fifteen,
the chosen one. Bryce Harper cover of Sports Illustrated sixteen.
So legends look different and legends don't grow into it. Well,
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what about Tom Brady. There are exceptions, but it should
be noted Brady physically is way bigger than the average
NFL quarterback. You put Brady next to Aaron Rodgers, Tom
is significantly bigger, and Aaron's great. He is significantly bigger
than Aaron Rodgers. He stands next to Dak He's bigger.
He's a six five and a half quarterback. Brady who
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got drafted by the major leagues in high school. He
is a special athlete. You just you know, you look
at Lamar or Russell Wilson, he doesn't. He doesn't add
up there physically as a speed guy. So here's another
thing to remember. So physically he doesn't look like a legend. Secondly,
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he popped only when everything lined up for him. But
here are the players taken of all the current starting
quarterbacks in the NFL. Here are the quarterbacks taken as
the first quarterback in their draft. Of the current starters Kyler, Murray,
Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Mitch Rubisky.
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Here are the current starting quarterbacks in the NFL taken
as the second quarterback in the draft they were in.
Patrick Mahomes, Carson Wentz, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Sam Darnold,
Daniel Jones, Philip Rivers, a lot more wins. Why because
Joe Burrows not gonna have the kind of coach Mahomes does,
or Wentz does, or Breeze or a Rodgers. When you
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go first, you go to a worst team, a worse owner,
a worst GM, and generally a worse scouting department. So
Burrow's going to have a major disadvantage. Not to mention
he enters a division now which is stacked defensively. He
enters a division against the Rooney family in Pittsburgh. Steve
Bashotti owns the Ravens. Those are two of the top
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five ownership groups in the NFL. What does that mean?
They hired better coaches, they have better scouts, they have
better executives, they have better organizations. If you go back
twenty years, twenty years and you take the Ravens and
the Steelers seasons, So if you go back twenty years,
take two NFL teams, that's forty total seasons. Right, Four
times the Steelers or Ravens have been below five hundred.
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The Bengals in four years have been below five hundred
four times. Burroughs not a legend. He's not physically a legend.
Legends don't wait forever to pop. Don't give me this.
Michael Jordan, he got cut from his high school team
as a freshman. Michael Jordan was a McDonald's All American
who got recruited by, at the time, the most notable
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coach in college basketball, Dean Smith. Dean Smith was bigger
than coach K when Michael came out, and then Michael
won a national title. That's a Freshman and Carolina and
then broke into the NBA and was a blizzard offensively,
a relentless tiger, a blizzard. You couldn't stop him. Players
couldn't get along with him. Coaches, he got him fired,
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but he was relentless. Larry Bird couldn't stop him. The
Pistons couldn't stop him. Now he couldn't carry the bulls
over those teams, but they couldn't stop him. So these,
oh my lord, we've got him stacked up as Peyton,
Manning and Lebron James, and it's just so unfair. He's
gonna be a nice NFL player. We gotta take a
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deep breath on Joe Burrow. He's been compared to Brady,
Peyton Manning, Lebron James, and Joe Montana. Give me a
break on this stuff. He's gonna be Tony Romo, no titles,
good kid, works hard, gets his brains beat in by
better organizations in the same division. Be sure to catch
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live editions of The Herd week dayson noun Easter nine
a Empacific. You know, I like ta I do think
the medical stuff is. It's worrisome. I've said before. I
see Drew Brees a left handed. I think he's bizarrely accurate.
I think he's an unbelievable leader. And if you asked
me to sum up Drew Breese in two words, I
would say accuracy and leadership. I think two is that.
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But too has got an injury, and it's real and
it's scaring. Teams should be noted. Drew Brees's injuries early
scared teams. The Miami Dolphins today still regret it. So
are they going to pass on TWA if he's available,
pass on breeze and TWA. I would have a hard
time doing that if I was down in Miami. So
but Nick Saban knows him better than anybody because he
recruited him. He spent two three years recruiting him out
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of high school. Then he lands him that he has
him for three years. They're very tight. And Saban offers
a criticism of Twa that I think is incredibly valid
and something I'm not sure you can correct. Most of
his injuries here have occurred when he extends plays and
he does not give up on the play, and it's
because he's a great competitor and you certainly, you know,
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don't want to inhibit that spirit in any way, shape
or form. But there's also a time to be smart.
Both ankle injuries that got in even his hip injury
this year, or all because you know, he was trying
to make a play when the play had broken down
and it really there wasn't anything there and to throw
the ball away sometimes is okay. Now, think about this.
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Nick Saban's a great coach. He couldn't coach that out
of him. Okay, Nick Saban's better than nine of the
guys coaching in the NFL. He may not be Andy
Reid or Sean Payton maybe he is, or Belichick maybe
he is, but he's better than almost everybody on the
planet coaching. And he couldn't coach that out of him.
And I've said this before. I've ever had a therapist
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for you know, I don't now currently, but I've had
my life gone to therapy and the last therapist I
had said something that really stuck with me. I think
I told this to Joy before. Change is hard. If
you wanted to change, most people don't want to that.
People tend to revert back who they are in a
time of crisis or when they're challenged. When the pocket collapses,
This is who two is. He's a playmaker. Can you
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coach it out of him? Baker Mayfield people are like,
you know, he's just a little cocky. This is who
he is. You've got to own it, know it, accept it,
and build around it. Kirk Cousins, I've had two people
inside the Vikings organization tell me he gets anxious in
big spots. He's a teeth clencher. That's who he is.
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Build a formula around him that can overcome that innate
DNA quality. Tom Brady is better in the fourth than
the first quarter. That's who he is. You can't teach that.
Brett Farve's a classic example. We all have a default mechanism, right,
we all have something we go to in a crisis.
And Brett Farve had one of, if not the greatest
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NFL arm I've ever seen. It was way up there
with Elway Marino. He just had a cannon and it
was his default mechanism. Because Brett Farve's arm had saved
him in so many instances high school, college dupro that
anytime there was an issue, Brett was like, Okay, this
is my de facto out. I am going to letter rip.
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He leads the NFL all time and interceptions. He is
also one of the greatest players in league history. But
that's innately who Brett is. You could not coach that
sort of mindset out of him. Oh crap here, I
am in trouble. I can squeeze that thing in there.
That's who he was, and you have to build around
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that gun slinger mentality to a pocket collapses his innate response,
I'm moving, I'm a playmaker. Nick Saban couldn't coach it
out of him, and Nick Saban's a top five coach
in the world of football. So Andy Reid's talked about this.
I find what you are, and I heighten and elevate
what you are and try to never ask what you're not.
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So the criticism by Saban is interesting, is too abound
to get hurt in the pros because he has this
quality that Nick couldn't coach out of him. And if
Nick can't come coach it out of him, could an
Anthony Lynn could have Brian Flores. It's interesting, it's smart,
it's something to think about. I will one more heard.
The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days
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a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search Herd to listen
live or on demand whenever you'd like. So I'm gonna
do a mock draft. Everybody's got a mock draft. I
think the longer you give a weather forecast as a meteorologist,
the less accurate you are. So I'm not going to
go through the entire first round. I'm gonna go twelve
picks Bengals to the Raiders. Raiders had a great draft
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last year. So here we go. Here is my mock draft.
I'm into this stuff. I always have been. I'm a
total dork. I get it. I'm living with it. Here
we go, all right. Number one the Cincinnati Bengals. Easiest
pick on the board. Pick LSU quarterback Joe Burrow. He
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had a great year. He's a nice to me B
plus prospect. They need a quarterback, they have a knee.
He's there. He's from Ohio. He went to Athens High
School in the Plains. So Joe Burrow goes to the Bengals.
Number two the Redskins, second easiest take on the board.
Although I do believe Washington would have discussions about trading this.
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Chase Young all time leader at Ohio State and sacks
for a single season, remarkable considering the both the Boys
went there. It's interesting. Washington is actually pretty good upfront
defensively top third in the NFL and sacks. I think
Ron Rivera could engineer even more with his schemes, but
Chase Young is a once in a every five year
pass rush talent. They get him number three. Okay, we
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gotta trade the Chargers and Detroit Lions flop picks. The
Chargers move up to three, the Lions back to six,
and the Lions get a corner from the Chargers and
two draft picks to move up, and the Chargers take
Justin Herbert. Last four NFL drafts, the fourteen first round quarterbacks,
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ten people moved up to get him. I think the
Chargers are sending out messages they want him without saying it.
The four biggest games for Herbert last year Auburn, Wisconsin, Utah, Washington.
He played great or at least very well in all
four and came one play away from going four. And
oh he's NFL ready. He'll sit for a year and
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then be the Chargers franchise quarterback. Number four. The New
York Giants take Clemson stud Isaiah Simmons. Listen, they have
two really good defensive tackles. They need playmakers. They gave
up over twenty eight points a game defensively in a
division with the offensively gifted Cowboys and Carson Wentz in
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the Eagles. They gotta make stops. They're not winning games
in this division regardless of how good Daniel Jones is
until they make stops and Simmons can solve a lot
of their issues. Number five Dolphins. They take two one
hundred and ninety nine career efficients. He passer rating in
college football best of all time. This organization passed on
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Drew Breese years ago, who had some injuries. They've regretted
it since two is not a perfect candidate because of
the medical issues. He can get healthy behind Ryan Fitzpatrick.
The Dolphins will also, with fourteen draft picks, build an
offensive line, let it mature for a year in bake
before twa plays. Number six this is the Lions now,
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who got a corner and a draft picker two from
the Chargers. They take Derek Brown. He's the best interior
defensive lineman in the draft. They lost a couple of
defensive tackles in free agency. They also allowed four hundred
yards a game, second worst in the NFL. So Matt
Patrician Bob Quinn. They get draft picks from the Chargers,
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a starting corner from the Chargers, and now get the
best interior defensive lineman in the draft. Really good start
for the Lions. In this year's draft, Number seven, the
Carolina Panthers take Ohio State corner of Jeff Okuda. The
Lions liked him, but couldn't pass up the trade to
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get a corner and a top defensive lineman. The Panthers
allowed twenty nine points a game, last year's second worst
in the NFL. Also lost their best corner to free agency,
James Bradberry, so Ocuda drops a couple of spots. Lions
wanted him, but had to bite at what the Chargers
offered to get Herbert they moved down. The Panthers are
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the beneficiary getting the best corner from a university Ohio
State that's a factory factory for corners. Number eight, the
Arizona Cardinals take Iowa offensive tackle Tristan Worf's listen Kyler
Murray got sacked forty eight times. Now, just consider that
that is arguably the second or third most mobile quarterback
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in the league got sacked forty eight times. They have
to protect their ass set. They've also got DeAndre Hopkins.
They went out and got a Kenyan Drake, so they've
got him weapons. They've got their coach, they got their quarterback.
Now they have to protect him. They get Tristan Worse
number nine. The Jags take the best receiver easily in
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this draft, Jerry Judy. Listen, they're tanking to get a
quarterback next year. When they get Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields,
they're gonna hand him the best young wide receiver talent
in two or three drafts in Jerry Judy. He is spectacular.
This team has a million things they have to worry about.
But I don't think there's gonna be a wide receiver
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as good last year, this year, or next year as
Judy and the Jags get him. The Cleveland Browns at
number ten. What did they do in the offseason? They
have terrible tackles. They went and got a right tackle,
Jack Conklin and free agency. Nice player. They need a
left they'll get McKay Beckton Baker was sacked forty times
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last year. The interior of their old lines not bad.
They were really below average at tackle, So they get
a free agency right tackle, they get a starting left tackle.
I think this is a really obvious pick. Number eleven
The New York Jets. Okay, fifty two sacks last year.
They've already gone out in free agency and found a
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right tackle, Noah Fant, and a center Connor McGovern. They
will go and draft Jedrick Wills, an underrated tackle for Bama.
I think I think he's as good as any of
the tackles. They'll put him out to the left side,
so now they have rebuilt their offensive line for Sam Darnold.
Second round, they'll get a corner. Third round, they have
two picks. They'll get a receiver and another interior offensive
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lineman or a linebacker. The Jets take Jedrick Wills, and
finally twelve, the Raiders take C. J. Henderson, the fastest corner.
Raiders love speed. Listen. They nailed their draft last year,
and they went with a lot of offensive players tight end, receiver,
running back. This year, they've got to solve defense. You're
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in a division with Patrick Mahomes. You gotta get corners
and you gotta get edge rushers, and they feel they
got the latter last draft. This year they go for
a Gator and get a corner. All right, there's my
mock draft. I just had so much fun doing that.
You have no idea. You have no idea how much
I liked it. I could be wrong on all picks
except Joe Burrow. He's going to SINCI that I know.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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FS one and the iHeartRadio. Herm Edwards is joining me.
There are a few people I've ever worked with that
have left more of an imprint, kind of an indelible
imprint on watching him lead, watching him talk. He's an entertainer,
and this is one of the reasons Arizona States recruiting
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has been unbelievable. By the way, you know we're talking
about all these quarterbacks. They got a kid named Jayden
Daniels who played last year as a true freshman. All
folks about two years Jaden Daniels. Well, not this draft,
but two drafts from that as a true junior, Jayden
Daniels maybe the number one player picked. By the way,
Herm is a defensive guy. How did you convince an
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unbelievable quarterback to come to your defensive and running program.
How'd you do that? Well, this is where you have
to make him understand that is any head coach, he's
only as good as a quarterback he has. Hey, you
know there's this guy that just left New England. You
know that Captain America guy. Yeah, his coach is a
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defensive guy too. Right. You once told me, Herm, you said,
I remember this. We were at ESPN together and you said, Colin,
if I'd had a healthy quarterback, I wouldn't be broadcasting
sitting next to you. I'd be in the league. You
you had a lot of success. You know. It's funny
because here comes the draft and I like Joe Burrow.
He's a nice player. But good god, the LSU team
(23:59):
was loaded. I like to of but there's the injury.
But I want to talk about Justin Herbert. You you
faced him twice and you gave him fits Boy and Tempe.
It was a mess for him. You intercepted him four
times in two games. You won one, you lost one.
But let's go back to this, Herm. You brought NFL
concepts to the college game at Arizona State. What did
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you throw at Justin Herbert that both times confused him. Well,
I think you know all quarterbacks, their ability to read
your mail before pre snap helps them. Um, we try
to disguise coverage on Ny. Gave him some different looks
up front, forced him in, some forced him some mone
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downs too as well. Colins. You know when when I
say the none downs put him in position where he
has to throw it. Yeah, yeah, And you know what
we didn't. We were fortunate enough early in the games
we brought pressure and that got him uncomfortable a little bit.
I think the guy has a tremendous skill set. He's big,
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he's strong and athletic. I thought we saw his athleticism
and the rose walls when he ran. You know, people
don't know he can run that good. He can run,
he can avoid, got a strong arm, you know. But
but the column you know this, and I've said this
many a time when I was on your show's back
up and the worldwide leader, is that most quarterbacks are
system needing in the league. Yeah, and I think wherever
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these guys go, whether it's Joe Burrow, whether his love,
whether it's just Herbert with his too a. You know what,
what what are are there? Are the coordinators or the
quarterback coach who willing to build a system around the
kids skill set, because if they're not, they're gonna fail.
The prime example, say what you want is the guy
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that plays for the Rams. Now, all of a sudden,
the skill set and the development of that guy was
built around when he could do well. Yea, his first
couple of years, everybody did this guy's a buck. Well,
all of a sudden he comes in there and he
changed its offense a little bit around what this guy
could do. Pretty good quarterback, all right, Yeah, he throws
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out Jared Goff throws, of course, a very beautiful, beautiful ball.
He's got a lot of Matt Ryan qualities. He throws
an incredibly catchable ball, probably a better long ball than
Matt Ryan has. And he's become a very very good quarterback.
So when you look at this draft, you were a
defensive guy. You were a very good corner in the
NFL and college. So that would lead me to believe,
boy herm, if he was running a franchise the Jets
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and the Chiefs, he would know defensive guys. But then
I think you faced offensive guys, So maybe you're better
at knowing offensive guys when you were with the Chiefs
and the Jets. What did you feel most comfortable drafting? Well, Colin,
I was kind of in a unique position because I
came into league as a part time coach, but a scout,
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so I learned how to evaluate. And the first thing
I did I can remember going to training camp with
the Chiefs my first time there. Howard mud was the
offensive line coach. Great offensive line, yeah, and I knew
enough about football the skilled positions, but really didn't know
a lot about offensive line play. And so I sat
at night in his meetings with the offensive line and
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learned how he coached them because I wanted to know
how do these guys play right? And so I learned positions.
But my ability to sit in the room was listening
to the coaches coach him. So then when they went
on the field, I said, this is what he's teaching
this guy right and figured that kind of stuff out.
So for me, when I look at the draft and
I was in a position coach then became a head coach,
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I had a pretty good idea of the positions. Always
sat in the quarterback room. You gotta sit in the
quarterback rooms. I mean that's important when when the seasons
are you're in the quarterbacks rooms. I mean you're kind
of listening to the quarterback and you're kind of talking
to him from a defensive side of it. Hey, no
different than what I do, Jane, I said, James. When
they do this, when they give you this look, this
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is what's about to happen. Right, And so because you
and a quarterback are connected together, Well, if I'm a
defensive guy and I can sit in the quarterback's womb
early in the week after I've looked at the take,
you know, with the coordinator as well, and give him,
give him some giveing some some some information from a
defensive coach's eye on what the problem is and what
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he does to present a problem to the defense as well.
Herm Edwards is joining us. So you look at twa
and it's easy to say, well, he got hurt in college.
You'll get hurt in the pros like Sam Bradford. But
I would say this, Patrick Mahomes had a risk surgery
in college acl joint issue, got knocked out of a game.
He's been hurt in the NFL. Carson Wentz hurt in college,
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hurt in the NFL. If a guy's got talent, Drew Brees.
Dolphins passed on him, Saints didn't. He had injuries. I
think too, it is draftable and I like him. Would
you be concerned making him your franchise quarterback if you
were a Miami or the Chargers. It's it's it's the
eye of the beholder, and you make some great points there.
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You know, some players come in that that have an
injury record and some guys go they get concerned about injuries. Um,
I take the type of injury A lot of times
they have something to do with it. But what's today
and modern medicine and the way these physicians can do things.
I mean, it's like, okay's young guy. Arrows are pointing up.
He's still young and all those things going to factory.
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And let me tell you some if you don't have
a quarterback. But if you don't have one, let me
tell you though. You're going, hey, we ain't got a guy.
And I said, and if this guy's coming in with
a little injury, he's better than the guys we've got
right now. Yeah. Well, I mean look at Arizona State.
You land Jaden Daniels and it's changed your program. I
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mean it just the bottom line is when I watch
you play, you are You've always been good defensively, but
the ability now to win nine or ten games is
gonna be because you've found the right quarterback who's a
remarkably poised player for nineteen years old. The kid is
just it's just incredible how good he is. I think
he is the next I honestly believe this next year
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it's gonna be Trevor Lawrence at Clemson and justin Fields
Ohio State. I think the following year your quarterback is
gonna be the number one potentially. Do you think he
has that talent? Well, he has talent, there's no doubt.
And he's a hard worker. I think with with with
Zach Heel now running this new offense, I think it's
going to fit a lot of things he can do. Well.
You know that that boys you state offense or something,
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and I like it. They say run the ball to
give you a lot of different formations, personnel groups. That's
all NFL set, and that's what guys want. Make you
go on the center some I mean, all those things occur,
but it's just not only on the quarterback, you know,
because those guys are only good as the guys that
protect him, and you've got how to have a good
offensive line. If you're gonna have if if you're going
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to win, it ain't lep and you know that's something
will continue to trying to build around here. But if
we can protect him, this kid's got champa be really good,
there's no doubt. So when you look at players in
the draft, like I can look at a Joe Burrow,
but he played with so many great play and so
go back to your Chiefs and Jets days, herm when
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you were drafting now, Rich McKay, You and I both
know Rich McKay former Tampa Bay and Rich used always
tell me when I covered him in Tampa and he
built that Super Bowl team down in Tampa. He said, listen,
I like guys who came from big programs that were
on national TV games with ninety eight thousand in the stadium,
and they were great in big games because that's the NFL.
It's pressure. When you were with the Jets, I think
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LSU guys usually make it in the NFL. They've played
in so many big games. Does it worry you a
little though that Burrow played with nine NFL guys. I
mean he and he didn't pop until his senior year
with all those guys. Does that concern you? Yeah, I
think that can concern some guy. But but I look
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at the position this way. First of all, is he
a leader that checks the box? He's a leader in
big moments on the road when he has to throw
the ball and everybody knows it and the aklan, does
he move the team? I learned this from from Joe Montana.
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You know, I played against Joe in the league and
Joe came to Kansas City there with Marcus Allen, those guys.
He made all run that year. He gets knocked out
against the Bills in the championship game. So I'm sitting
going to practice with Joe and we're just talking and
the conversation comes up and said what kind of team
is this? And I said, Joe got pretty good football team.
He said, Kensey's a good football team. He said, you know,
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he said, you know, good quarterbacks win four games for you.
I looked at him and said, well, he said they
win four games year, And what are you talking about?
He says, well, you know in the fourth quarter and
when you're on the road and you know you're down,
they find a way to to bring the team back
to score and you win. I look at him and
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I went and I never thought of it that way.
But that's what they do in the moments when you
got to make the play, regardless of the circumstance, regardless
of the cast you have around you. Does he makes
the play? Didn't do it? And to me, that's the
sign of a good quarterback. If you look at these
NFL quarterbacks, if he asked something now, Colin, if you
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got if you got Aaron Rodgers, if you're on the
road and he's got one possession left, you probably feel
pretty good about him having an opportunity to go down
to win the game, right, Yeah, him and Russell Wilson
and Dad. Yeah, yeah, we know who they are. They
do it. And if he ended the season in sixteen games,
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it's going to be a tight game. Will you read score?
They do it. That's a separation, that's yeah, it's you know,
it's so funny. In this league. The average game is
decided by four points. I mean, it's it's crazy. And
so I mean, I can go back to Super Bowls.
I mean, Brady and Russell Wilson are in a game,
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it's one play that decides it. Go back to Brady
in the Super Bowl against Atlanta, Edelman's catch one play.
I mean, it's it is remarkable. The difference between being
an NFL head coach and having to end up being
an NFL commentator is And you had Chad Pennington, but
he got hurt. Now, finally you have worked at the
NFL level, and you've worked as a commentator and a
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motivational speaker, and you work at the college level with
all this information. At the college level, we know that
when Pete went Pete Carroll went college to pro herm,
he had three great drafts because he knew all the players.
Mike Mayock of the Raiders, he watched all these players
in college, goes to the Raiders, he has a great
draft Herm. I could argue after this year, two years,
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you could go back to the NFL and you would
know this college footprint and all these players because you
recruited them. Is there a possibility you'd go back to
pro football? No? Is it? This is my last stand
right here. I'm going to build a program and hopefully
we can win the Pac twelve and hopefully win a
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Rolls Bowl and then hand it over to somebody else.
I'm having the blast. I've missed my players at this
point in time, you know. Uh, and the fact that
with the virus, and look as we're talking, I can't
say enough about all the first responders, all the medical
folks all over the country, all the people that that
(35:50):
that are putting their lives in harm's way trying to
save those that have bought the virus, you know, And
it's it's it's remarkable to see when you turn the
television on and watch all these doctors and just people
that just continue to to go into buildings knowing, you
know what, I could come out with the virus. Those
(36:12):
are the heroes. Column Yeah, those are truly the hero
So I love that you're having a good time. So
so you even liked the recruiting. Oh yeah, wait, look,
come on, come on. You know that's that's really really
good fun, right, you know when when when you're talking
to the young people. I like meeting the parents and
the guardians of a lot of these young men because
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you find out a lot about the family. Yeah, you know,
and a lot of those homes are like my home.
You know. I look out him and I go, hey,
I get it. I know where to come from. I
get it. I understand this. Did you did you? Did
you have a lot growing up or not much? Not much?
I mean football was my way out. Yeah. I knew
being an athlete was gonna give me an opportunity to
go to college. I was the first graduate out of
(36:54):
our you know, out of our family. I mean my
mom was a German war bride, and my father joined
the army when we at seventeen years old. You know,
he fought in the World War Two and the Korean War. Yeah,
football got you out. You went to cal didn't you?
Where's you go? Went to cow Home, Mike, you know,
right out of high school. All those hippies and herm Edwards.
Oh my god, can you imagine that going there in
(37:14):
nineteen seventy two. I went up there and went, what
is this place? Yeah? It was boy, that was the
that was the height of it. It was none but
marijuana and hippies. Yeah. I grew up in a great era.
You're talking about the Civil rights movement. Yeah, you know
you're I tell the story. I told you this story.
(37:35):
You know at thirteen years old, you know that Monterey
pop fliple they had under a Monterey are here. Yeah, look,
my baby sinner took me to that thing and wasn't
supposed to be going. And I thought Jimmy Hendrick burn
to guitar. I became a Jimmy Hendris fan after that
death over that nineteen s nineteen sixty eight, and I'm like,
who is this guy, Jimmy Hendricks, I asked me. Watched
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Jimmy burn to guitar on stage. Wow, that's great playing
the Fame College. A lot of things that happened to
me in my life. But I actually called Jimmy. I said,
I've seen Jimmy live. God, You've had a full life,
my friend. I've been I've been very fortunate. I've been blessed.
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A lot of people helped me along the way. I'm
gonna tell you something. You're a good friend, and you
know this, and you helped me. I mean when I
when I when I went to work for the Worldwide Leader.
You know, watching how you work and how organized you
were in discipline and how you gathered your thoughts. I
mean I watched all that. You know, I'm a I'm
(38:36):
a guy who always searching for knowledge. And you watch
people in certain professions and you you gain knowledge from them,
and and you know, you guys helped me a lot
and I love coming on your show in the morning
getting you all fired up. Man, that was a lot
of fun too. You know well her and my room.
I'm you know where my daughter goes to school down
today as shoe and um, I just I'm so high proud.
(38:57):
But it's just been an amazing story and continued success
and I love having you on occasionally in Go Devils.
Thank you, bro, God bless you man. Stay stay put.
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