January 6, 2020 • 39 mins
Colin explains why he thinks the Cowboys settled for Mike McCarthy as their next head coach. FOX NFL Insider Jay Glazer tells Colin why Jerry Jones decided to hire him as well as what will teams like the Browns and Giants do now that McCarthy is off the market. Colin doesn't understand why Russell Wilson continues to get no credit for winning with no help. Plus, he admits where he was right and wrong over the weekend including a total swing and miss on predicting all four playoff games.
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Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, plenty of both,
a wild card weekend with all sorts of surprises, and
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Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, how are you today?
I'm great. Those games lived up to the hype. It's
a great first weekend. It was Colin Wright Colin wrong
in one hour. Let me start with this. Mike McCarthy
is the new head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Jay
Glazer joins us in about twelve minutes. He broke a story.
What's new? He breaks big stories. So Mike McCarthy, who
would not have been my first choice. This was a
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year when there was amazing candidates, Urban Meyer, the whiz kids,
Lincoln Riley and Matt Rule, Josh McDaniels, Ron Rivera been
to a Super Bowl, and this feels like sort of
Mike McCarthy a really safe hire. Mike McCarthy fits Cleveland
because they need his maturity, and they need his stability,
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and they need his guidance. That's not that's not what
Dallas needs. Dallas needs McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Matt Nagee. They
need clever. They've got talent. They don't need stability. There
are plenty stable. Dak provides the stability. They don't need
necessarily guidance. They've won two divisions last four years. They
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don't need necessarily a grown up in the room. Jason
Garrett is a grown up. Sometimes too much of a
grown up. You know, he's clapping like the Loo the
League dad after every strikeout. That's not what Dallas needs.
Dallas needs some pal some progressive, some clever, some really smart,
some new, some fresh. That's not fifty six year old
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Mike McCarthy. You know, it's funny. Jerry Jones, one of
his famous sayings is he's never happy when he settles, overpay,
take a risk. Jerry Jones says, I'm never satisfied when
I try to save money or when I settle, I
always end up with a product I don't love. When
I go for it, when I take a risk, when
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I overpay, that's when I have something that everybody else wants?
Is Mike McCarthy really something everybody else wants? This feels
like settling for a head coach. That's what it feels like.
When I said Mike McCarthy, the first thing you thought
was that's safe. And by the way, you can be
a good coach and not a great fit. I don't
think he's a great fit. Let me throw this. Mike
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McCarthy is never in thirteen years as a head coach
been top ten in rushing attempts. What are the Cowboys?
A run blocking old line and Zeke that's not in
his DNA? Every coach has in DNA. Gruden loves power running.
Kyle Shanahan and his dad, Mike Shanahan, loved to run
the football. Pete Carroll USC in Seattle build a running game.
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It doesn't matter. Pete Carroll teams are physical, that's his DNA.
Sean Payton tend to be clever, spread it out. Andy
Reid develops quarterbacks and wide receivers. Every coach has a DNA.
Mike McCarthy's DNA isn't developing a great running game. In
the last three years, I'm gonna read you this step,
and the last three years in Green Bay, Mike McCarthy
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was twenty ninth, twenty fifth and last in rushing percentage.
That was with above average offensive lines and Aaron Rodgers
being injured. It's not in his DNA. He doesn't build
running games. Thirteen years in Green Bay, he didn't do it,
and he's a good coach. But Jerry Jones has made
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a empire on taking risk. When he bought the Dallas Cowboys,
he didn't have the cash for it. He put that
thing on a credit card and had a scramble for
four years. When he built the stadium, I mean, when
he built his practice facility, when he hired Jimmy Johnson
and fired Tom Landry. He's an oil maverick. If you
look at Jerry Jones' entire career, it is taking big risks.
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All these young progressive candidates. He interviewed two guys, Marvin
Lewis and Mike McCarthy, and McCarthy stayed the night at
his house. Jerry made pancakes in the morning or something.
I mean, I don't it just doesn't feel like. It
just doesn't feel like in a year with a bunch
of very clever candidates. There's a lot of really clever
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candidates out there. You're Urban Meyer, You're Lincoln Riley, You're
Matt Rule, you're Josh McDaniels. I just don't think the
DNA matches here. I don't think it matches. Again, he's
said if he's an adult, but that was Jason Garrett.
Wasn't that the knock on Jason Garrett. He's safe, he's
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an adult. There's never chaos with Jason Garrett's He's say,
you know, you know that you haven't grown up in
the room. You know the players like him. Yeah, not
a lot of controversy between Dak and Jason Garrett. I
got all the maturity I need. What I need is
some sizzle, some risks, some push the envelope. Josh McDaniels,
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Urban Meyer, Give me a little swag, give me a
little attitude, give me a little I don't know. I
don't see it, don't like it, don't I don't think
it's a disaster. I just think it's more of what
I've seen. And if you're gonna pay Dak Prescott thirty
five million dollars, you gotta stretch that quarterback dollar like
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like Matt Nagy is with Trubisky. You know you gotta stretch.
You gotta stretch that dollar. You gotta get every penny
out of thirty five million, because Dack's not really a
thirty five million dollars quarterback talent. Not Russell Wilson, He's
not Carson Wentz, He's not Patrick Mahomes, he's not Lamar Jackson.
You know he is. He Jimmy Garoppolo. They paid Jimmy
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Garoppolo and San Francisco twenty eight million, which is way
less than Daco getting what was the first thing they did.
They got a right tackle, then they got a tight end.
Then they get Emmanuel Sanders. They know that if you
pay the quarterback that kind of money, you got to
get him assistance. Well, Dallas doesn't have a lot of room.
Once they paid Dak, they're not gonna be able to
afford much. So you have to get that assistance from
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the coaching because you can't with their offensive line in
Amari and Zeke. There's no money left to elevate Dak
like your money, you aren't at the cap. So now
you've got to get the clever and the elevation from
the coach. And I don't think Mike McCarthy's a bad coach.
I think he's a fine coach. But for the record,
Green Bay now is thirteen and three without him. You know,
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I l say, don't judge it just by what he
does when he arrives, what happens to the place when
he leaves. When Hardball left San Francisco, man overboard, you know.
I mean, you go look at places nine and nothing
against Mike McCarthy, but he left Green Bay. They look
happier and are hosting playoff games. Just saying all right,
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let me shift to this. I'll have more on Mike
McCarthy with Jay Glazer coming up major scoopage today. Mike
McCarthy coach. Glazer broke the story. So I watched New
England all year and we kept saying, is listen to
just that nobody can get open. I watched Minnesota, Adam
Feeland's open. I watched Seattle DK Metcalf's open. I watch
the Saints and Michael Thomas can be open. And I
watched Kansas City and Tyreek Hill can be open. And
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I watch I watch Baltimore and all their receivers are open.
And I watched Houston and d Hop is open. And
I watched the New England Patriots and nobody's open. There's
nobody opened. They don't have a tight end. You know,
there's rookie wide receivers and Julian Edelman, who's a bag
of wrenches. Right now. The guys all banged up. And
but let me just say this, look around the NFL
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right now. You know, I love Brady. Look around the
NFL right now. Tom Brady is forty two, not very athletic.
They are playing in New England at a quarterback athletic deficit.
And Bill Belichick has made a career on being proactive,
not reactive. Everybody keeps telling me Brady's gonna leave, and
everybody keeps telling me Josh McDaniels is gonna leave. Are
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we sure Belichick wants to stick around? Belichick wanted to
move off Brady two years ago and was told by
the owner. He couldn't. And I saw his story today
where Robert Kraft says he's praying that Tom Brady resigns.
What do we know about Belichick? Belichick is always ahead
of the curve, and he watches Mahomes and he watches
Josh Allen, and he watches Lamar, and he watches Deshaun Watson,
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and he watches Garoppolo, and he watches all these guys
do cool things. And he's got Brady, who I love,
but he's forty two and doesn't make plays once it
breaks down, and he looks a little older. We all
got Josh McDaniels leaving, and we all have Brady leaving.
Has anybody thought about Bill Belichick saying maybe it's my time.
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Giants don't have a coach yet, He's got history there.
He didn't want to coach for the Jets. I think
he coached for the Giants and the Marrow family. Great
respect there. But you know, it's funny. We know that
if Tom Brady was on the market, you know, seventy
five percent of the teams wouldn't go after him. And
we know if Josh McDaniels was on the market, seventy
percent of the teams wouldn't go after him. If Bill
Belichick's on the market, how many teams wouldn't go after
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him for I mean maybe? So you know, I look
at this situation and I don't think Belichick the GM
has always helped Brady the quarterback, right, Belichick's a great coach.
I don't think it's a general manager. They've drafted particularly well.
One Pro Bowler at tight end, wide receiver, and running
back in his reign, Gronk. That's it. So I'm not
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saying Belichick's not without blame here, but you look around
at the trend of the NFL, and it's between the
collective bargaining, which means offensive lineman don't practice as much,
and the college game going to spread offenses. Offensive lines
aren't very good in this league. It is not an
either or. You gotta have a quarterback that moves. Brady doesn't.
And Belichick's always been at the head of the curve
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his entire career. Now he's kind of reacting to everybody else.
So I just I keep hearing about everybody leaving New
England if Bob Kraft forces him to resign. A forty
two year old about to be forty three year old
Tom Brady. Are we sure Belichick's sticking around? I mean,
we know Belichick has left before. You know, he was
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a Jets coach for an hour and said no, thank you.
I think Belichick may have a little bit more leverage
than everybody thinks here. Tom Brady, for the record, was
asked about his future after the game. I love the Patriots.
I mean they obviously, you know, they got a It's
the greatest organization. And you know, playing for mister Kraft
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all these years and for coach Belichick, I mean there's
you know, there's nobody who's had a better career I
would say than me. Is there any possibility that you
would retire after this last season? You know, I would
say it's pretty unlikely, but yeah, hopefully unlikely. For the record,
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Gizelle will have a say in where they go. She
is sacrificed for the family. Chargers Miami would be the
first place as Indianapolis. She's probably as a supermodel not
willing to move the family there. That's just speculation, but
from somebody I trust, I got that. Over the weekend.
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FS one and the iHeart Radio app. Let's go to
Jay Glazer, who broke the story Fox Sports NFL Insider
via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Mike McCarthy the Cowboys.
He was the first to have it. What's new? All right?
So let me just ask this was from the very beginning, Jay,
Is this the guy they targeted, you know, a week
or two ago. Yeah, they wanted an NFL head coaching experience,
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and I know a lot of people after they thought
they'd go after like a Lincoln Riley, and that wasn't
the case. They didn't want somebody with college experience. They
wanted somebody who was an NFL head coach, and at
first they wanted defense. But they more they did research
on Mike McCarthy, the more they really started to fall
in love with the grunt that is Mike McCarthy. He
is a football guy. And when they met with him
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and interviewed him, and then they looked at it and said,
there's such a difference between him and Jason Garrett. Jason
Garrett obviously Princeton kind of guy, and Mike McCarthy is
just a Pittsburgh guy. Worked with the toll booth. He's
a grunt and you know is the way he went
in there and explained how he would run their offense,
run their team, and that team needs a lot of discipline. Also,
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they just fell in love with him throughout the night
and again reported yesterday on our Fox NFL Sunday Playoffs
show that he was still in Dallas. The interview was
only supposed to last the first day, but it went
so well they ended up keeping them overnight. Jay, are
there any concessions he had to make with the current staff?
Does he have none? So he didn't have okay, zero
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And at first the Cowboys, I think we're looking at
it like we love our offensive coaches, we'd love to
do that. But again there when when they talked to
Mike and they all talk through it, I think they realized,
you know what, we've done this in the past. We've
tried to push certain coaches on others. We can't do
this time, and they pulled off. I do think he
likes Kellen Moore. I think Kellen Moore will be there.
Mike Nolan, who's the linebacker coach for the Saints, Mike hired.
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Mike Nolan hired Mike McCarthy as his offensive coordinator. Mike
Nolan was the head coach of the forty nine ers,
and I think you'll see Mike McCarthy here return the
favorite and bring Mike Nolan in to help run that defense. Look,
all the pieces are in place, they just you know,
they need some some ball coaches who can kind of
ratch it up the discipline there and use those pieces
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a little bit better. Let me push back on this.
He never in thirteen years had a top ten rushing
attempts offense. And I do think Zeke is a wildly
talented important person. I think Jay, you and I've talked
about this. Coaches have DNA Pete Carroll's defense and pound
the ball. The Shanahan family zone read offense. Andy Reid
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loves clever, loves developing quarterbacks and wide receivers. Mike doesn't.
Even when Aaron was hurt, he's not been great at
developing rushing games. He gets out of rushing very quickly.
Is that a concern? No. One of the things he
walked in there, He's like he hasn't really had a
guy like Zeke Elliott before. So you know, Mike, look
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when you were Brett fav We have Joe Montana, Brett Favar,
Aaron Rodgers, your quarterbacks, you're gonna kind of go pass happy.
But he's never really had a guy like Zeke, so
I know that's one of the things that they discussed. Also,
he loves da He decided to work with Dak, but
he hasn't had a Zeke Elliott tep guy. No, they're
gonna they're gonna feed him like crazy. Okay. I don't
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mean to get greedy and you break all the stories.
But since you broke this one, let me ask you
about two other ones. Uh. McCarthy was obviously the apple
of Cleveland's eye, and I think he would have been
a perfect fit for Cleveland. Okay, So now Browns is there?
An The Giants were actually more we're gonna make a
strong push in Cleveland, I think Cleveland. Yeah, And he
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went in there and they talked about head coaching. Cannet's
also about the Giants. Even called back to get a
second interview with Mike and obviously he couldn't do that. Okay, So, um,
do you have any I give me your gut feeling
on the Giants, which I think, by the way, is
an excellent job. I think Daniel Jones on a rookie
quarterback deal for three years. Um. I think they have
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some nice pieces. They have two great defensive lineman under
twenty five dexter Lawrence Leonard Williams. Giants in your where
are they going? So? All along? I think they've wanted
Matt Rule and Matt Rules kind of dreamed about going
to the Giants. Matt Ruler and he's making you know,
eighty million over ten years or something, you know, ridiculous
like that, and good for him, by the way, So
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it's gonna take an awful lot to get Matt Rule
up there. Matt Rule was there for a year, and
I think they're Giants usually comfortable with somebody who they
they've already known. But they're in a different situation also
than Brown's Browns. When you go in an interview, they
have a list about ten general managers that they could
hire with the head coach with the Giants, that's not
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the case. It's Dave Gentleman, and Dave Gentleman's got to
kind of come up with the time. So you gotta
have a head coach who's saying, Okay, this guy needs
to come up with the Times with with. I mean,
Dave Gentleman is a very old school guy that needs
to kind of get a little bit more noustul All right,
Jake Glaizer, great stuff. Broke the story on Mike McCarthy.
He's the new coach of the Dallas Cowboys. We'll get
ready for that, Jay, Thank you so much for stopping by. Absolutely,
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Thank you. Brother. Sure to catch live editions of The
Herd week dayson NOUN Easter nine a m. Pacific. Sometimes
we disrespect somebody so much we don't even know we're
doing it. This is Russell Wilson, So just give me
a minute here. So all weekend long, because Dk Metcalf,
the rookie who dropped in the draft, made a couple
of big catches. And you don't even realize how disrespectful
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to Russell Wilson you're being. If you're in the American media,
one show puts our arms around Russell Wilson, rs. Everybody else.
Just think about this all weekend long. This is what
I heard about the Seahawks win and Dk Metcalf. Look
at all those general managers that whipped on Dk Metcalf,
those dumb general managers. No, they whiffed on him, though
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many of those gms are elite, and he works because
he has Russell Wilson, and because everybody works with Russell Wilson.
Russell Wilson's now eight and one on the road this year.
Aaron Rodgers is five hundred in his career on the road.
Russell Wilson's won seventeen of his twenty one last road
games in the Eastern time zone this year on the road,
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thirteen TVs, seventy percent completion, one hundred and seventy passer rating.
Everybody works with him. This is not about general managers
whiffing on DK Metcalf. He dropped in the draft because
he's a bodybuilder who runs terrible routes. That's why he
dropped in the draft. But Pete Carroll and John Snyder
figured out how everybody works with Russell. Doug Baldwin was undrafted,
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became a pro bowler. Lockett was a gadget guy nobody
wanted out of Kansas State. He looks like a pro bowler.
I mean, the Patriots are dying, dying for tight end production.
They let go of Jacob Hollister, Seattle pick him up.
He works with Russell Wilson. I told you this. Will
Disley was a defensive lineman at the University of Washington.
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He moved over to tight end. He had four catches
his junior year in college. He goes to Seattle and
the Seahawks, and suddenly Will Disley is outstanding. Not really,
it's Russell Wilson. You just don't understand. He was missing
two offensive linemen this weekend, a Pro Bowl left tackle.
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He's missing three running backs. They pulled Marshawn Lynch off
the street. They got some kid from Miami, Homer who's
like a six round guy. They go to Philadelphia. Their
offensive line is getting worked by the defensive line of
the Eagles, and Russell Wilson wins and averages ten yards
of pass and it is eight for fifteen on third down.
Do you get it? This? DK Metcalf stories not about him.
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It's about Russell. Tom Brady can't work with anybody. I mean,
all these rookies come in. He's yelling at him, he's
screaming at him. And Russell Wilson, Will Disley, Jacob Hollister,
DK Metcalf, Doug Baldwin Lockett. These guys won't elite. They're
either undrafted, not used, traded by somebody else for a
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six round pick, and they all work. There's a common
thread with all of Seattle's receivers, tight ends, and backs.
They're all great. With Russell Wilson, he had no running
game this weekend. Seventeen carries for nineteen yards on the road.
That was his running game a yard a carry, and
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yet they win the top GMS. Didn't whiff on DK Metcalf.
He runs bad routes. But the best prettiest deep Paul
that's ever been thrown in this league is thrown by
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you'd like. Joey without further ado. We make a lot
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of predictions on the show. We've got you know, you've
got to have predictions. You got to tell people what
you think. Sometimes I get them right, sometimes I get
them wrong. So on Mondays, it's Colin right, Colin wrong,
and here we go where Colin was right. Deshaun Watson
once again saves the Texans, sacked seven times twenty a
twenty five with an offensive line that bailed on him
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in one hundred twenty one quarterback rating. The offensive line
wasn't there for him. Once again, Bill O'Brien's game plan
was awful in the first half, but he makes the
play of the year from a quarterback perspective, keeps him alive.
I said this when he got drafted below Mitch Trubisky.
I don't think he's a beautiful natural thrower of the
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football like Mahomes or Wins. I don't, but I don't
understand what everybody doesn't see. In the biggest games against Alabama,
he was money in some of his biggest games. He
really is overcome what appears to be an organization in
Houston which doesn't practice at times. Why are they so
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bad in the first half. It's just he's It always
feels like he's playing from behind and not like three,
nothing like sixteen, nothing, But he does it again where
Colin was raw. One of the reasons the NFL's mesmerizing.
I went over four. I like Philadelphia, I like I
like Buffalo, I like the Patriots, and I like the Saints.
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That was wrong on all of them. Thank god I
didn't bet them this is why the NFL is mesmerizing.
You always kind of feel like you know who the
better team is in a lot of other sports. But
this is not the nbair hockey where it's a seven
game series. You have a good half, you can walk
into the Superdome and pick off an upset over New
Orleans where Colin was right. How did the Eagles look
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once Carson Wentz got hurt, Oh, that's funny. Not very
good on third down. And Josh McCown by the ways,
the legit backup. He's a big boy athlete, he really is,
and he's a smart guy. I thought this was a
cheap shot by Clowney. I thought it should have been
a penalty. I thought, in college, you get ejected for that.
So don't blame Carson Wentz. You know, I don't want
to hear about that he gets hurt, that's just a
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that was a cheap shot and it should have been
a penalty, and he should have been you know, that's
the kind of stuff in college you're out of the game.
But what did this team do when Carson Wentz got hurt.
He carried him four straight games over four hundred yards.
The minute he got hurt, they couldn't make a play,
and that game was there for the take in. Seattle's
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running game was nondescript, and Seattle's offensive line was missing
two really good starters. But Whence, for the record, got
this team to the playoffs and Nick Foles didn't win
a game a game this year where Colin was raw,
Cowboys hired Mike McCarthy. That's not who I would have hired.
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I thought their whole search was confounding Jeff Fisher, rumors,
Marvin Lewis, Mike McCarthy. Isn't this whole thing about elevating Dak?
Didn't that like why why the Packers moved to Matt Lafleur.
And I mean, it wasn't that why Sean McVey got
hired by the Rams to say that Jared Goff signing. Like,
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to me, the whole situation here is you gotta you're
gonna pay Dak thirty five million to quarterback league. I
also don't think he's ever developed running games in thirteen years,
He's never had a top ten rushing attempt offense. I
think he's an odd fit. I don't think he's a
bad coach, but I mean, he didn't even interview Ron Rivera.
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He got to a Super Bowl too. Ron Rivera likes
running games and is a great defensive coach. What do
the Cowboys need to be more focused on running the
football and to coach up their defense? Ron Rivera didn't
even get an interview. He got hired in your own division,
like they're just it's a confounding move to me where
Colin was right? John Dorsey, Cleveland Brown general manager fired.
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We said it would never last. You all worshiped him
in Cleveland. Oh my god, He's got a great eye
for personnel. Okay, that's like one part of the job.
You also have to be able to hire coaches and
be conciliatory and get along with people and make sure
you're scouting department works with your coaching staff. You know,
he hired Freddie Kitchens because he could control him. He
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got very controlling and can a city and they moved
on from him. We all year long, we kept saying,
it's easy to blame Kitchens, and it's easy to blame
Baker Mayfield. But the guy who's made the hire with
both Baker was a reach and so was Freddie was
John Dorsey. He's not a bad guy, but this was
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Cleveland fanboys. The media US just did brilliant and I'm
like I kept saying over and over his personality with
this ownership is not gonna last. And he's gone where
Colin was. Row Listen. Kirk Cousins is still only seven
and thirty in games against teams that have winning records
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by the end of the year, but he made two
huge plays. The throw to Adam Feeling unbelievable, very good late,
very good in overtime. The Feeling throws probably the throw
of his career. I mean that's a pillow right there.
And then Kyle Rudolph in the corner. I mean, this
is a perfect throw. That's not pass interference. By the way,
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it's called trying to get a rebound. In the NBA,
you could call foul on it. Every time I've been
Harshawn kirk Cousins and he shrinks in big spots. But
you know what, against Dallas, Big National TV gaming was good,
and he was good here, and he was good in
overtime against Breeze in the Supernome. That's about his biggest
spot as you can have as a visiting quarterback in
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the NFL, and he deserves credit where Colin was right.
We've been preaching us all year. Mobility as a quarterback
is not an either or, you gotta have it. College
football has gone into the spread, so you're not getting
road greater offensive lineman and the offensive line due to
the new CBA OH lines in the NFL, there's never
been more lousy ones. You saw this weekend. Josh Allen
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led US team in rushing. Russell Wilson let US team
in rushing, Taysoon Hill let US team in rushing. Deshaun
Watson led US team in rushing. What are the Seahawks
to be honest without Russell Wilson's mobility? I mean, what
is the offense? This is the new NFL. The bottom
level running is Daniel Jones with the Giants. You've got
to be able to move offensive line plays deteriorating. You know,
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you don't have to be as good a runner as
Lamar or even Josh Allen, but the old pocket guy,
it's a liability unless you have a great young offensive
line like the Colts, you under contract for years. You
got to find a guy who can move where Colin
was raw. I always thought JJ Watt was a nice
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guy and a good player, but I never really bought
into his effect. I would never play him twenty million
dollars many of his great games as a pro. The
Texans lost, but I thought he was huge in this game.
I thought he had a huge sack in the second
half that created momentum. I also thought he had a
ball that he kind of batted down there and forced
Josh Allen and the Bills into a rushing punting situation.
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I thought jj Watt really and it's kind of remarkable
he played when you hear his injuries, the fact that
this guy got out there and played tip of the cat.
But I thought he played a huge role in this game.
This is a very inconsistent Texans defense, and it's not
a very good secondary at times. But JJ Watt his presence.
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You know, we use that word a lot on the show.
You got to have a presence as a coach. He
also had a presence in that football game, and I've
never given him kind of the credit for that in
big games where Colin was right. Kyrie Irving surgery, Folks,
if you take out the three Lebron years, he's a bust.
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The Boston Celtics are now a number two seed without
him and the Nets have a better winning record when
he doesn't play. Before Lebron, he was a head case
who couldn't get along with anybody or stay healthy. And
after Lebron, he's a head case who can't stay healthy
and get along with anybody. And ka D chose this
instead of Steph Curry, the most stable, genuine, aufenant guy
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in the league, Kyrie Irving, they've already got doubts in Brooklyn.
He has missed twenty three or thirty four games. He
is brittle. He's obviously a gifted offensive player. But you
gotta play with people, you know. I mean, that's the
I mean, it's like Oklahoma City. In Westbrook he left,
they got all these kids Oklahoma City, he's got the
same basic record. I've never got into Kyrie Irving. I
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think he's a talent. I don't think he makes teammates better.
I think he's hard to coach, and I think he's
a little bit of a headcase. In the bust where
Colin was right, we always say, don't overreact to September football.
Defenses will win the day. Did you notice this weekend
no team scored more than twenty points in regulation that
if you look at the wild card round. More than
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a touchdown off the board twenty five yards. Passer ratings
go down. You got to have defenses. That's why Seattle
and Minnesota are playing in the next round. It's JJ Watt.
The defense finally arrived for Houston and they won the game.
Think about this Minnesota shut down the Saints New England.
Tennessee had three and a half hours of arm wrestling.
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Texans didn't score until the third quarter. Seattle couldn't score forever.
They all win. September's fun. The weather's perfect. You're experimenting.
Get to December in January running games and defense. This
is why the league keeps tweaking the rules to help
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the offense. Because at the end of every football season,
Who's left Baltimore's defense, Kansas City's defense has gotten better,
San Francisco, Minnesota, Seattle, and an upgraded Green Bay defense.
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Trent Dilford, all Right, I kind of feel Mike McCarthy.
I got questions he doesn't develop great running games. They
have Zeke he kind. Jerry Jones always says, whenever I
go safe, I'm disappointed. It feels kind of safe to me.
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I liked Ron Rivera, who would elevate this defense and
does running games. Well, what do you make of the
Mike McCarthy hire. I think it's safe. I think you
nailed it. It's a very safe, seasoned wise head coaching hire.
My concerns are similar to yours. It's the running development
of a modern day running game, which is very unique.
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It's changed a lot with the Saturday influences, but they
have spent this year as a staff kind of studying
trends and doing analytics and doing a lot of deep
dives into new schemes. So I'm sure they'll be caught
to speed there. But the one that nobody's talking about
is who is he gonna hires his defensive coordinator? And
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this is the key to Mike McCarthy's success in Dallas,
because if you look at the Cowboys defensive roster. It's young,
it's athletic, but it's a little light in the shorts,
and it's very schemes specific to Chrisha Shard and Rod
Marinelli's scheme. They are one gap penetrating defense with certain
coverage profiles behind it. They're not plug in play with
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any defensive system. So this defensive hire has to be
somebody that could maximize this talent that's on the defensive
side of the ball existing for the Dallas Cowboys. If
they mess this one up, if they hire a two
gap guy, if they hire somebody that doesn't his system,
his philosophy doesn't fit the personnel they have, this can
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be a disaster. By the way, it's not good news
for Baker Mayfield because I think what McCarthy brought to
Cleveland maturity and stability. Dallas doesn't need that. Dack's plenty
mature and stable. I don't worry about maturity there in Cleveland.
This is a young, outspoken, verbal roster in Joku, Jarvis, Landry, Baker.
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They've all got opinions. What do you do with Baker? Now?
What's up with this? This Mike McCarthy moved to Dallas
doesn't help him any well, it helps him if they're
wise and they get Jason Garrett in the door today.
Think about how Dak developed that wisdom, that discernment, that
maturity beyond his years. Think about Zeke Elliott, who had
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some baggage coming in has become a season pro. I mean,
Jason Garrett takes a lot of heat for what happened
with the Cowboys, and it is probably time for that
separation to happen. But Jason Garrett's a heck of a
football coach and he's a heck of a team builder,
and that's what Cleveland needs. They need that wise, stable,
team building man to come in and run that organization.
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I think Jason Garrett is a plug in play head
coaching hiring Cleveland if he wants to take on that
type of challenge, because that will be a massive challenge.
I have not butt into the Vikings all year. I
love their roster, but I think there's limitations in a ceiling.
I was shot Kirk Cousins, I thought made the throw
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of his life. You were more into the Vikings. You've
seen something. Can they win in San Francisco? What did
you make of the win in the Superdome. They can
you know, I don't want it to be Listen, I
agree with you. I don't think their ceiling is massively high.
I believe in how they built the team for this time,
this time of year. There is I remember Tom Jackson
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saying it for years on Prime Time. You know, the
teams that are built the right way for playoff football.
And it changed a little bit with the modern day
quarterback and the spread offenses and the rule changes, but
still you have to have a certain profile to go
on the road in the playoffs and win. And that's
what zimmer has always built there and you could see
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it early in the season. They play really good defense.
It's not elite, but it's really good. But what they
do is they cut the head off the snake. Defensively,
they always take away what you do best, especially it's
quarterback play. He's one of the hardest guys to play
against as a quarterback. He just he makes you eat
your soup left handed. It's just very, very difficult to do.
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The other thing they do is they run the ball
and they run action. That's what travels well. You're not
dropped back passing, reading boundary to boundary. The entire playoffs.
A lot of its run, run action, turn your back,
get chunk throws. That's how they've built this offense. So
I just like how they're built. I like that they
over they exercise some of their demons this season, and
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I didn't. I was not surprised by the one in
New Orleans, nor would I be surprised if they can
go to San Francisco and do a similar thing, even
though I think the forty nine ers have a much
higher ceiling and are probably a better football team overall.
Let's let's talk about New England, because I remember you
telling me one time when you retired, you said, you know,
you just got tired of waking up on Monday and
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stuff hurt, you know, And you can deal with that
if you've got a good offensive line. And but you
start looking at Brady and McDaniels could leave. The young
receivers haven't worked, they haven't addressed to tie it in.
They've got several offensive needs. You can't solve them all
in a draft because nobody's given up their good offensive
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lineman in this league anymore. They're keeping them and resigning them.
Give me your gut feeling on this mcjosh, McDaniels, Brady,
even Belicheck what happens in the next several months. I've
been wrestling with this one, Colin. I think I'm too
emotionally attached to have a good opinion, because I will
be devastated if it's not Tom Brady and the Patriots together, Like,
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it just doesn't work for my brain to see Tom
Brady place somewhere else, to see this thing break up. Now.
The realist in me says, if Tom Brady stays in
New England, that it's the two of them Bill, well,
three of them, Bill Craft and Tom sit in the
room and say, okay, let's take one final ride together.
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Because if Bill wants to do this for another ten years,
I could see why you would move on without Tom
Brady and get the next guy and go young and
redo this thing. If he only has a couple more
years in him, then why not why not ride into
the sunset with your guy, Tom Brady. That's how I
hope it unfolds. I know that's not great analysis, and
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that's why he prefaced it with I think I'm too
emotionally attached. I just can't see an NFL right now
without Tom Brady and Bill Belichick being together. Whether you
love him or hate him, they are the NFL at
its essence for the last what is it eighteen years?
I mean, it's just I can't see it any other way.
By the way, yesterday I was banging on you know,
everybody on Twitter's like, how could all these dumb gms
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pass on DK Metcalf? And my takeaway is, listen, he's
a bodybuilder that runs bad routes. Those gms aren't dumb.
Russell Wilson just makes it work because he makes everything work.
Break down. Metcalf had a game yesterday and suddenly everybody's
like he's a superstar. And I watch him and I say, no,
he just he's a freak. And Russell Wilson delivers pillows
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down the field. I mean, what do you see with him?
One hundred percent agree with you. First of all, the
evaluators are not dumb. They had him right where he
needed to be. He's a run He's a big, strong, run,
fast jump high guy. Right now this part of his career,
and now he can develop and become a great route
runner and a great receiver. And I wouldn't put it
past him to do so. But what you evaluated was
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just a physical freak, that was a linear speed guy
that was going to run down and win fifty fifty balls,
but not be a craftsman. But I think what you're
saying is so true that the ultimate, the ultimate gift
that the great quarterbacks have, Like let's just the NFL
is doing this top one hundred thing. Let's take the
ten greatest of all time. More than their talent is
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their ability to make everybody better. That is the job
of the great quarterback is you make the building better.
You make the lineman better, you make the receivers better,
you make the coaches better, you make the secretaries better,
you make the equipment guys better. The whole organization is
better because of you're a great us and how you
approach your job. That's what Russell Wilson does. We see
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it happening DK Metcalf yesterday. But we see it with
running backs, we see it with offensive lineman, we see
it with defensive personnel turnover, we see it with coaching
staff turnover. Like Russell Wilson has that magic touch that
whatever he touches is gonna be better. And that's the
essence of his greatness. Saint dk Metcalf is gonna be
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the reason they go to the Super Bowl. Yeah, he's
a he's a big play threat. But the best player,
in my opinion, in the entire league is Russell Wilson.
Yeah how about that? How about that Joy? That's my MVP.
Trent Dilford, Lipscomb Academy head football coach, got him to
a couple of playoff wins this year in Nashville, Tennessee's
got install. Hey you kids out there in Nashville, you're
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hanging around, you can play for anybody. See that little
emblem right there, that's the next New England Patriots. In Nashville, Tennessee.
Trent Good CEO
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Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, how are you today?
I'm great. Those games lived up to the hype. It's
a great first weekend. It was Colin Wright Colin wrong
in one hour. Let me start with this. Mike McCarthy
is the new head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Jay
Glazer joins us in about twelve minutes. He broke a story.
What's new? He breaks big stories. So Mike McCarthy, who
would not have been my first choice. This was a
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year when there was amazing candidates, Urban Meyer, the whiz kids,
Lincoln Riley and Matt Rule, Josh McDaniels, Ron Rivera been
to a Super Bowl, and this feels like sort of
Mike McCarthy a really safe hire. Mike McCarthy fits Cleveland
because they need his maturity, and they need his stability,
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and they need his guidance. That's not that's not what
Dallas needs. Dallas needs McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Matt Nagee. They
need clever. They've got talent. They don't need stability. There
are plenty stable. Dak provides the stability. They don't need
necessarily guidance. They've won two divisions last four years. They
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don't need necessarily a grown up in the room. Jason
Garrett is a grown up. Sometimes too much of a
grown up. You know, he's clapping like the Loo the
League dad after every strikeout. That's not what Dallas needs.
Dallas needs some pal some progressive, some clever, some really smart,
some new, some fresh. That's not fifty six year old
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Mike McCarthy. You know, it's funny. Jerry Jones, one of
his famous sayings is he's never happy when he settles, overpay,
take a risk. Jerry Jones says, I'm never satisfied when
I try to save money or when I settle, I
always end up with a product I don't love. When
I go for it, when I take a risk, when
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I overpay, that's when I have something that everybody else wants?
Is Mike McCarthy really something everybody else wants? This feels
like settling for a head coach. That's what it feels like.
When I said Mike McCarthy, the first thing you thought
was that's safe. And by the way, you can be
a good coach and not a great fit. I don't
think he's a great fit. Let me throw this. Mike
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McCarthy is never in thirteen years as a head coach
been top ten in rushing attempts. What are the Cowboys?
A run blocking old line and Zeke that's not in
his DNA? Every coach has in DNA. Gruden loves power running.
Kyle Shanahan and his dad, Mike Shanahan, loved to run
the football. Pete Carroll USC in Seattle build a running game.
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It doesn't matter. Pete Carroll teams are physical, that's his DNA.
Sean Payton tend to be clever, spread it out. Andy
Reid develops quarterbacks and wide receivers. Every coach has a DNA.
Mike McCarthy's DNA isn't developing a great running game. In
the last three years, I'm gonna read you this step,
and the last three years in Green Bay, Mike McCarthy
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was twenty ninth, twenty fifth and last in rushing percentage.
That was with above average offensive lines and Aaron Rodgers
being injured. It's not in his DNA. He doesn't build
running games. Thirteen years in Green Bay, he didn't do it,
and he's a good coach. But Jerry Jones has made
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a empire on taking risk. When he bought the Dallas Cowboys,
he didn't have the cash for it. He put that
thing on a credit card and had a scramble for
four years. When he built the stadium, I mean, when
he built his practice facility, when he hired Jimmy Johnson
and fired Tom Landry. He's an oil maverick. If you
look at Jerry Jones' entire career, it is taking big risks.
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All these young progressive candidates. He interviewed two guys, Marvin
Lewis and Mike McCarthy, and McCarthy stayed the night at
his house. Jerry made pancakes in the morning or something.
I mean, I don't it just doesn't feel like. It
just doesn't feel like in a year with a bunch
of very clever candidates. There's a lot of really clever
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candidates out there. You're Urban Meyer, You're Lincoln Riley, You're
Matt Rule, you're Josh McDaniels. I just don't think the
DNA matches here. I don't think it matches. Again, he's
said if he's an adult, but that was Jason Garrett.
Wasn't that the knock on Jason Garrett. He's safe, he's
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an adult. There's never chaos with Jason Garrett's He's say,
you know, you know that you haven't grown up in
the room. You know the players like him. Yeah, not
a lot of controversy between Dak and Jason Garrett. I
got all the maturity I need. What I need is
some sizzle, some risks, some push the envelope. Josh McDaniels,
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Urban Meyer, Give me a little swag, give me a
little attitude, give me a little I don't know. I
don't see it, don't like it, don't I don't think
it's a disaster. I just think it's more of what
I've seen. And if you're gonna pay Dak Prescott thirty
five million dollars, you gotta stretch that quarterback dollar like
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like Matt Nagy is with Trubisky. You know you gotta stretch.
You gotta stretch that dollar. You gotta get every penny
out of thirty five million, because Dack's not really a
thirty five million dollars quarterback talent. Not Russell Wilson, He's
not Carson Wentz, He's not Patrick Mahomes, he's not Lamar Jackson.
You know he is. He Jimmy Garoppolo. They paid Jimmy
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Garoppolo and San Francisco twenty eight million, which is way
less than Daco getting what was the first thing they did.
They got a right tackle, then they got a tight end.
Then they get Emmanuel Sanders. They know that if you
pay the quarterback that kind of money, you got to
get him assistance. Well, Dallas doesn't have a lot of room.
Once they paid Dak, they're not gonna be able to
afford much. So you have to get that assistance from
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the coaching because you can't with their offensive line in
Amari and Zeke. There's no money left to elevate Dak
like your money, you aren't at the cap. So now
you've got to get the clever and the elevation from
the coach. And I don't think Mike McCarthy's a bad coach.
I think he's a fine coach. But for the record,
Green Bay now is thirteen and three without him. You know,
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I l say, don't judge it just by what he
does when he arrives, what happens to the place when
he leaves. When Hardball left San Francisco, man overboard, you know.
I mean, you go look at places nine and nothing
against Mike McCarthy, but he left Green Bay. They look
happier and are hosting playoff games. Just saying all right,
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let me shift to this. I'll have more on Mike
McCarthy with Jay Glazer coming up major scoopage today. Mike
McCarthy coach. Glazer broke the story. So I watched New
England all year and we kept saying, is listen to
just that nobody can get open. I watched Minnesota, Adam
Feeland's open. I watched Seattle DK Metcalf's open. I watch
the Saints and Michael Thomas can be open. And I
watched Kansas City and Tyreek Hill can be open. And
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I watch I watch Baltimore and all their receivers are open.
And I watched Houston and d Hop is open. And
I watched the New England Patriots and nobody's open. There's
nobody opened. They don't have a tight end. You know,
there's rookie wide receivers and Julian Edelman, who's a bag
of wrenches. Right now. The guys all banged up. And
but let me just say this, look around the NFL
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right now. You know, I love Brady. Look around the
NFL right now. Tom Brady is forty two, not very athletic.
They are playing in New England at a quarterback athletic deficit.
And Bill Belichick has made a career on being proactive,
not reactive. Everybody keeps telling me Brady's gonna leave, and
everybody keeps telling me Josh McDaniels is gonna leave. Are
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we sure Belichick wants to stick around? Belichick wanted to
move off Brady two years ago and was told by
the owner. He couldn't. And I saw his story today
where Robert Kraft says he's praying that Tom Brady resigns.
What do we know about Belichick? Belichick is always ahead
of the curve, and he watches Mahomes and he watches
Josh Allen, and he watches Lamar, and he watches Deshaun Watson,
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and he watches Garoppolo, and he watches all these guys
do cool things. And he's got Brady, who I love,
but he's forty two and doesn't make plays once it
breaks down, and he looks a little older. We all
got Josh McDaniels leaving, and we all have Brady leaving.
Has anybody thought about Bill Belichick saying maybe it's my time.
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Giants don't have a coach yet, He's got history there.
He didn't want to coach for the Jets. I think
he coached for the Giants and the Marrow family. Great
respect there. But you know, it's funny. We know that
if Tom Brady was on the market, you know, seventy
five percent of the teams wouldn't go after him. And
we know if Josh McDaniels was on the market, seventy
percent of the teams wouldn't go after him. If Bill
Belichick's on the market, how many teams wouldn't go after
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him for I mean maybe? So you know, I look
at this situation and I don't think Belichick the GM
has always helped Brady the quarterback, right, Belichick's a great coach.
I don't think it's a general manager. They've drafted particularly well.
One Pro Bowler at tight end, wide receiver, and running
back in his reign, Gronk. That's it. So I'm not
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saying Belichick's not without blame here, but you look around
at the trend of the NFL, and it's between the
collective bargaining, which means offensive lineman don't practice as much,
and the college game going to spread offenses. Offensive lines
aren't very good in this league. It is not an
either or. You gotta have a quarterback that moves. Brady doesn't.
And Belichick's always been at the head of the curve
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his entire career. Now he's kind of reacting to everybody else.
So I just I keep hearing about everybody leaving New
England if Bob Kraft forces him to resign. A forty
two year old about to be forty three year old
Tom Brady. Are we sure Belichick's sticking around? I mean,
we know Belichick has left before. You know, he was
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a Jets coach for an hour and said no, thank you.
I think Belichick may have a little bit more leverage
than everybody thinks here. Tom Brady, for the record, was
asked about his future after the game. I love the Patriots.
I mean they obviously, you know, they got a It's
the greatest organization. And you know, playing for mister Kraft
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all these years and for coach Belichick, I mean there's
you know, there's nobody who's had a better career I
would say than me. Is there any possibility that you
would retire after this last season? You know, I would
say it's pretty unlikely, but yeah, hopefully unlikely. For the record,
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Gizelle will have a say in where they go. She
is sacrificed for the family. Chargers Miami would be the
first place as Indianapolis. She's probably as a supermodel not
willing to move the family there. That's just speculation, but
from somebody I trust, I got that. Over the weekend.
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FS one and the iHeart Radio app. Let's go to
Jay Glazer, who broke the story Fox Sports NFL Insider
via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Mike McCarthy the Cowboys.
He was the first to have it. What's new? All right?
So let me just ask this was from the very beginning, Jay,
Is this the guy they targeted, you know, a week
or two ago. Yeah, they wanted an NFL head coaching experience,
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and I know a lot of people after they thought
they'd go after like a Lincoln Riley, and that wasn't
the case. They didn't want somebody with college experience. They
wanted somebody who was an NFL head coach, and at
first they wanted defense. But they more they did research
on Mike McCarthy, the more they really started to fall
in love with the grunt that is Mike McCarthy. He
is a football guy. And when they met with him
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and interviewed him, and then they looked at it and said,
there's such a difference between him and Jason Garrett. Jason
Garrett obviously Princeton kind of guy, and Mike McCarthy is
just a Pittsburgh guy. Worked with the toll booth. He's
a grunt and you know is the way he went
in there and explained how he would run their offense,
run their team, and that team needs a lot of discipline. Also,
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they just fell in love with him throughout the night
and again reported yesterday on our Fox NFL Sunday Playoffs
show that he was still in Dallas. The interview was
only supposed to last the first day, but it went
so well they ended up keeping them overnight. Jay, are
there any concessions he had to make with the current staff?
Does he have none? So he didn't have okay, zero
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And at first the Cowboys, I think we're looking at
it like we love our offensive coaches, we'd love to
do that. But again there when when they talked to
Mike and they all talk through it, I think they realized,
you know what, we've done this in the past. We've
tried to push certain coaches on others. We can't do
this time, and they pulled off. I do think he
likes Kellen Moore. I think Kellen Moore will be there.
Mike Nolan, who's the linebacker coach for the Saints, Mike hired.
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Mike Nolan hired Mike McCarthy as his offensive coordinator. Mike
Nolan was the head coach of the forty nine ers,
and I think you'll see Mike McCarthy here return the
favorite and bring Mike Nolan in to help run that defense. Look,
all the pieces are in place, they just you know,
they need some some ball coaches who can kind of
ratch it up the discipline there and use those pieces
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a little bit better. Let me push back on this.
He never in thirteen years had a top ten rushing
attempts offense. And I do think Zeke is a wildly
talented important person. I think Jay, you and I've talked
about this. Coaches have DNA Pete Carroll's defense and pound
the ball. The Shanahan family zone read offense. Andy Reid
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loves clever, loves developing quarterbacks and wide receivers. Mike doesn't.
Even when Aaron was hurt, he's not been great at
developing rushing games. He gets out of rushing very quickly.
Is that a concern? No. One of the things he
walked in there, He's like he hasn't really had a
guy like Zeke Elliott before. So you know, Mike, look
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when you were Brett fav We have Joe Montana, Brett Favar,
Aaron Rodgers, your quarterbacks, you're gonna kind of go pass happy.
But he's never really had a guy like Zeke, so
I know that's one of the things that they discussed. Also,
he loves da He decided to work with Dak, but
he hasn't had a Zeke Elliott tep guy. No, they're
gonna they're gonna feed him like crazy. Okay. I don't
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mean to get greedy and you break all the stories.
But since you broke this one, let me ask you
about two other ones. Uh. McCarthy was obviously the apple
of Cleveland's eye, and I think he would have been
a perfect fit for Cleveland. Okay, So now Browns is there?
An The Giants were actually more we're gonna make a
strong push in Cleveland, I think Cleveland. Yeah, And he
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went in there and they talked about head coaching. Cannet's
also about the Giants. Even called back to get a
second interview with Mike and obviously he couldn't do that. Okay, So, um,
do you have any I give me your gut feeling
on the Giants, which I think, by the way, is
an excellent job. I think Daniel Jones on a rookie
quarterback deal for three years. Um. I think they have
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some nice pieces. They have two great defensive lineman under
twenty five dexter Lawrence Leonard Williams. Giants in your where
are they going? So? All along? I think they've wanted
Matt Rule and Matt Rules kind of dreamed about going
to the Giants. Matt Ruler and he's making you know,
eighty million over ten years or something, you know, ridiculous
like that, and good for him, by the way, So
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it's gonna take an awful lot to get Matt Rule
up there. Matt Rule was there for a year, and
I think they're Giants usually comfortable with somebody who they
they've already known. But they're in a different situation also
than Brown's Browns. When you go in an interview, they
have a list about ten general managers that they could
hire with the head coach with the Giants, that's not
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the case. It's Dave Gentleman, and Dave Gentleman's got to
kind of come up with the time. So you gotta
have a head coach who's saying, Okay, this guy needs
to come up with the Times with with. I mean,
Dave Gentleman is a very old school guy that needs
to kind of get a little bit more noustul All right,
Jake Glaizer, great stuff. Broke the story on Mike McCarthy.
He's the new coach of the Dallas Cowboys. We'll get
ready for that, Jay, Thank you so much for stopping by. Absolutely,
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Thank you. Brother. Sure to catch live editions of The
Herd week dayson NOUN Easter nine a m. Pacific. Sometimes
we disrespect somebody so much we don't even know we're
doing it. This is Russell Wilson, So just give me
a minute here. So all weekend long, because Dk Metcalf,
the rookie who dropped in the draft, made a couple
of big catches. And you don't even realize how disrespectful
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to Russell Wilson you're being. If you're in the American media,
one show puts our arms around Russell Wilson, rs. Everybody else.
Just think about this all weekend long. This is what
I heard about the Seahawks win and Dk Metcalf. Look
at all those general managers that whipped on Dk Metcalf,
those dumb general managers. No, they whiffed on him, though
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many of those gms are elite, and he works because
he has Russell Wilson, and because everybody works with Russell Wilson.
Russell Wilson's now eight and one on the road this year.
Aaron Rodgers is five hundred in his career on the road.
Russell Wilson's won seventeen of his twenty one last road
games in the Eastern time zone this year on the road,
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thirteen TVs, seventy percent completion, one hundred and seventy passer rating.
Everybody works with him. This is not about general managers
whiffing on DK Metcalf. He dropped in the draft because
he's a bodybuilder who runs terrible routes. That's why he
dropped in the draft. But Pete Carroll and John Snyder
figured out how everybody works with Russell. Doug Baldwin was undrafted,
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became a pro bowler. Lockett was a gadget guy nobody
wanted out of Kansas State. He looks like a pro bowler.
I mean, the Patriots are dying, dying for tight end production.
They let go of Jacob Hollister, Seattle pick him up.
He works with Russell Wilson. I told you this. Will
Disley was a defensive lineman at the University of Washington.
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He moved over to tight end. He had four catches
his junior year in college. He goes to Seattle and
the Seahawks, and suddenly Will Disley is outstanding. Not really,
it's Russell Wilson. You just don't understand. He was missing
two offensive linemen this weekend, a Pro Bowl left tackle.
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He's missing three running backs. They pulled Marshawn Lynch off
the street. They got some kid from Miami, Homer who's
like a six round guy. They go to Philadelphia. Their
offensive line is getting worked by the defensive line of
the Eagles, and Russell Wilson wins and averages ten yards
of pass and it is eight for fifteen on third down.
Do you get it? This? DK Metcalf stories not about him.
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It's about Russell. Tom Brady can't work with anybody. I mean,
all these rookies come in. He's yelling at him, he's
screaming at him. And Russell Wilson, Will Disley, Jacob Hollister,
DK Metcalf, Doug Baldwin Lockett. These guys won't elite. They're
either undrafted, not used, traded by somebody else for a
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six round pick, and they all work. There's a common
thread with all of Seattle's receivers, tight ends, and backs.
They're all great. With Russell Wilson, he had no running
game this weekend. Seventeen carries for nineteen yards on the road.
That was his running game a yard a carry, and
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yet they win the top GMS. Didn't whiff on DK Metcalf.
He runs bad routes. But the best prettiest deep Paul
that's ever been thrown in this league is thrown by
Russell Wilson. One More Herd. The Herd streams twenty four
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you'd like. Joey without further ado. We make a lot
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of predictions on the show. We've got you know, you've
got to have predictions. You got to tell people what
you think. Sometimes I get them right, sometimes I get
them wrong. So on Mondays, it's Colin right, Colin wrong,
and here we go where Colin was right. Deshaun Watson
once again saves the Texans, sacked seven times twenty a
twenty five with an offensive line that bailed on him
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in one hundred twenty one quarterback rating. The offensive line
wasn't there for him. Once again, Bill O'Brien's game plan
was awful in the first half, but he makes the
play of the year from a quarterback perspective, keeps him alive.
I said this when he got drafted below Mitch Trubisky.
I don't think he's a beautiful natural thrower of the
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football like Mahomes or Wins. I don't, but I don't
understand what everybody doesn't see. In the biggest games against Alabama,
he was money in some of his biggest games. He
really is overcome what appears to be an organization in
Houston which doesn't practice at times. Why are they so
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bad in the first half. It's just he's It always
feels like he's playing from behind and not like three,
nothing like sixteen, nothing, But he does it again where
Colin was raw. One of the reasons the NFL's mesmerizing.
I went over four. I like Philadelphia, I like I
like Buffalo, I like the Patriots, and I like the Saints.
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That was wrong on all of them. Thank god I
didn't bet them this is why the NFL is mesmerizing.
You always kind of feel like you know who the
better team is in a lot of other sports. But
this is not the nbair hockey where it's a seven
game series. You have a good half, you can walk
into the Superdome and pick off an upset over New
Orleans where Colin was right. How did the Eagles look
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once Carson Wentz got hurt, Oh, that's funny. Not very
good on third down. And Josh McCown by the ways,
the legit backup. He's a big boy athlete, he really is,
and he's a smart guy. I thought this was a
cheap shot by Clowney. I thought it should have been
a penalty. I thought, in college, you get ejected for that.
So don't blame Carson Wentz. You know, I don't want
to hear about that he gets hurt, that's just a
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that was a cheap shot and it should have been
a penalty, and he should have been you know, that's
the kind of stuff in college you're out of the game.
But what did this team do when Carson Wentz got hurt.
He carried him four straight games over four hundred yards.
The minute he got hurt, they couldn't make a play,
and that game was there for the take in. Seattle's
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running game was nondescript, and Seattle's offensive line was missing
two really good starters. But Whence, for the record, got
this team to the playoffs and Nick Foles didn't win
a game a game this year where Colin was raw,
Cowboys hired Mike McCarthy. That's not who I would have hired.
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I thought their whole search was confounding Jeff Fisher, rumors,
Marvin Lewis, Mike McCarthy. Isn't this whole thing about elevating Dak?
Didn't that like why why the Packers moved to Matt Lafleur.
And I mean, it wasn't that why Sean McVey got
hired by the Rams to say that Jared Goff signing. Like,
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to me, the whole situation here is you gotta you're
gonna pay Dak thirty five million to quarterback league. I
also don't think he's ever developed running games in thirteen years,
He's never had a top ten rushing attempt offense. I
think he's an odd fit. I don't think he's a
bad coach, but I mean, he didn't even interview Ron Rivera.
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He got to a Super Bowl too. Ron Rivera likes
running games and is a great defensive coach. What do
the Cowboys need to be more focused on running the
football and to coach up their defense? Ron Rivera didn't
even get an interview. He got hired in your own division,
like they're just it's a confounding move to me where
Colin was right? John Dorsey, Cleveland Brown general manager fired.
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We said it would never last. You all worshiped him
in Cleveland. Oh my god, He's got a great eye
for personnel. Okay, that's like one part of the job.
You also have to be able to hire coaches and
be conciliatory and get along with people and make sure
you're scouting department works with your coaching staff. You know,
he hired Freddie Kitchens because he could control him. He
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got very controlling and can a city and they moved
on from him. We all year long, we kept saying,
it's easy to blame Kitchens, and it's easy to blame
Baker Mayfield. But the guy who's made the hire with
both Baker was a reach and so was Freddie was
John Dorsey. He's not a bad guy, but this was
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Cleveland fanboys. The media US just did brilliant and I'm
like I kept saying over and over his personality with
this ownership is not gonna last. And he's gone where
Colin was. Row Listen. Kirk Cousins is still only seven
and thirty in games against teams that have winning records
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by the end of the year, but he made two
huge plays. The throw to Adam Feeling unbelievable, very good late,
very good in overtime. The Feeling throws probably the throw
of his career. I mean that's a pillow right there.
And then Kyle Rudolph in the corner. I mean, this
is a perfect throw. That's not pass interference. By the way,
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it's called trying to get a rebound. In the NBA,
you could call foul on it. Every time I've been
Harshawn kirk Cousins and he shrinks in big spots. But
you know what, against Dallas, Big National TV gaming was good,
and he was good here, and he was good in
overtime against Breeze in the Supernome. That's about his biggest
spot as you can have as a visiting quarterback in
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the NFL, and he deserves credit where Colin was right.
We've been preaching us all year. Mobility as a quarterback
is not an either or, you gotta have it. College
football has gone into the spread, so you're not getting
road greater offensive lineman and the offensive line due to
the new CBA OH lines in the NFL, there's never
been more lousy ones. You saw this weekend. Josh Allen
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led US team in rushing. Russell Wilson let US team
in rushing, Taysoon Hill let US team in rushing. Deshaun
Watson led US team in rushing. What are the Seahawks
to be honest without Russell Wilson's mobility? I mean, what
is the offense? This is the new NFL. The bottom
level running is Daniel Jones with the Giants. You've got
to be able to move offensive line plays deteriorating. You know,
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you don't have to be as good a runner as
Lamar or even Josh Allen, but the old pocket guy,
it's a liability unless you have a great young offensive
line like the Colts, you under contract for years. You
got to find a guy who can move where Colin
was raw. I always thought JJ Watt was a nice
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guy and a good player, but I never really bought
into his effect. I would never play him twenty million
dollars many of his great games as a pro. The
Texans lost, but I thought he was huge in this game.
I thought he had a huge sack in the second
half that created momentum. I also thought he had a
ball that he kind of batted down there and forced
Josh Allen and the Bills into a rushing punting situation.
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I thought jj Watt really and it's kind of remarkable
he played when you hear his injuries, the fact that
this guy got out there and played tip of the cat.
But I thought he played a huge role in this game.
This is a very inconsistent Texans defense, and it's not
a very good secondary at times. But JJ Watt his presence.
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You know, we use that word a lot on the show.
You got to have a presence as a coach. He
also had a presence in that football game, and I've
never given him kind of the credit for that in
big games where Colin was right. Kyrie Irving surgery, Folks,
if you take out the three Lebron years, he's a bust.
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The Boston Celtics are now a number two seed without
him and the Nets have a better winning record when
he doesn't play. Before Lebron, he was a head case
who couldn't get along with anybody or stay healthy. And
after Lebron, he's a head case who can't stay healthy
and get along with anybody. And ka D chose this
instead of Steph Curry, the most stable, genuine, aufenant guy
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in the league, Kyrie Irving, they've already got doubts in Brooklyn.
He has missed twenty three or thirty four games. He
is brittle. He's obviously a gifted offensive player. But you
gotta play with people, you know. I mean, that's the
I mean, it's like Oklahoma City. In Westbrook he left,
they got all these kids Oklahoma City, he's got the
same basic record. I've never got into Kyrie Irving. I
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think he's a talent. I don't think he makes teammates better.
I think he's hard to coach, and I think he's
a little bit of a headcase. In the bust where
Colin was right, we always say, don't overreact to September football.
Defenses will win the day. Did you notice this weekend
no team scored more than twenty points in regulation that
if you look at the wild card round. More than
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a touchdown off the board twenty five yards. Passer ratings
go down. You got to have defenses. That's why Seattle
and Minnesota are playing in the next round. It's JJ Watt.
The defense finally arrived for Houston and they won the game.
Think about this Minnesota shut down the Saints New England.
Tennessee had three and a half hours of arm wrestling.
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Texans didn't score until the third quarter. Seattle couldn't score forever.
They all win. September's fun. The weather's perfect. You're experimenting.
Get to December in January running games and defense. This
is why the league keeps tweaking the rules to help
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the offense. Because at the end of every football season,
Who's left Baltimore's defense, Kansas City's defense has gotten better,
San Francisco, Minnesota, Seattle, and an upgraded Green Bay defense.
That's Who's left. Colin right, Colin Rong. Be sure to
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Trent Dilford, all Right, I kind of feel Mike McCarthy.
I got questions he doesn't develop great running games. They
have Zeke he kind. Jerry Jones always says, whenever I
go safe, I'm disappointed. It feels kind of safe to me.
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I liked Ron Rivera, who would elevate this defense and
does running games. Well, what do you make of the
Mike McCarthy hire. I think it's safe. I think you
nailed it. It's a very safe, seasoned wise head coaching hire.
My concerns are similar to yours. It's the running development
of a modern day running game, which is very unique.
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It's changed a lot with the Saturday influences, but they
have spent this year as a staff kind of studying
trends and doing analytics and doing a lot of deep
dives into new schemes. So I'm sure they'll be caught
to speed there. But the one that nobody's talking about
is who is he gonna hires his defensive coordinator? And
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this is the key to Mike McCarthy's success in Dallas,
because if you look at the Cowboys defensive roster. It's young,
it's athletic, but it's a little light in the shorts,
and it's very schemes specific to Chrisha Shard and Rod
Marinelli's scheme. They are one gap penetrating defense with certain
coverage profiles behind it. They're not plug in play with
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any defensive system. So this defensive hire has to be
somebody that could maximize this talent that's on the defensive
side of the ball existing for the Dallas Cowboys. If
they mess this one up, if they hire a two
gap guy, if they hire somebody that doesn't his system,
his philosophy doesn't fit the personnel they have, this can
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be a disaster. By the way, it's not good news
for Baker Mayfield because I think what McCarthy brought to
Cleveland maturity and stability. Dallas doesn't need that. Dack's plenty
mature and stable. I don't worry about maturity there in Cleveland.
This is a young, outspoken, verbal roster in Joku, Jarvis, Landry, Baker.
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They've all got opinions. What do you do with Baker? Now?
What's up with this? This Mike McCarthy moved to Dallas
doesn't help him any well, it helps him if they're
wise and they get Jason Garrett in the door today.
Think about how Dak developed that wisdom, that discernment, that
maturity beyond his years. Think about Zeke Elliott, who had
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some baggage coming in has become a season pro. I mean,
Jason Garrett takes a lot of heat for what happened
with the Cowboys, and it is probably time for that
separation to happen. But Jason Garrett's a heck of a
football coach and he's a heck of a team builder,
and that's what Cleveland needs. They need that wise, stable,
team building man to come in and run that organization.
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I think Jason Garrett is a plug in play head
coaching hiring Cleveland if he wants to take on that
type of challenge, because that will be a massive challenge.
I have not butt into the Vikings all year. I
love their roster, but I think there's limitations in a ceiling.
I was shot Kirk Cousins, I thought made the throw
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of his life. You were more into the Vikings. You've
seen something. Can they win in San Francisco? What did
you make of the win in the Superdome. They can
you know, I don't want it to be Listen, I
agree with you. I don't think their ceiling is massively high.
I believe in how they built the team for this time,
this time of year. There is I remember Tom Jackson
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saying it for years on Prime Time. You know, the
teams that are built the right way for playoff football.
And it changed a little bit with the modern day
quarterback and the spread offenses and the rule changes, but
still you have to have a certain profile to go
on the road in the playoffs and win. And that's
what zimmer has always built there and you could see
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it early in the season. They play really good defense.
It's not elite, but it's really good. But what they
do is they cut the head off the snake. Defensively,
they always take away what you do best, especially it's
quarterback play. He's one of the hardest guys to play
against as a quarterback. He just he makes you eat
your soup left handed. It's just very, very difficult to do.
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The other thing they do is they run the ball
and they run action. That's what travels well. You're not
dropped back passing, reading boundary to boundary. The entire playoffs.
A lot of its run, run action, turn your back,
get chunk throws. That's how they've built this offense. So
I just like how they're built. I like that they
over they exercise some of their demons this season, and
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I didn't. I was not surprised by the one in
New Orleans, nor would I be surprised if they can
go to San Francisco and do a similar thing, even
though I think the forty nine ers have a much
higher ceiling and are probably a better football team overall.
Let's let's talk about New England, because I remember you
telling me one time when you retired, you said, you know,
you just got tired of waking up on Monday and
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stuff hurt, you know, And you can deal with that
if you've got a good offensive line. And but you
start looking at Brady and McDaniels could leave. The young
receivers haven't worked, they haven't addressed to tie it in.
They've got several offensive needs. You can't solve them all
in a draft because nobody's given up their good offensive
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lineman in this league anymore. They're keeping them and resigning them.
Give me your gut feeling on this mcjosh, McDaniels, Brady,
even Belicheck what happens in the next several months. I've
been wrestling with this one, Colin. I think I'm too
emotionally attached to have a good opinion, because I will
be devastated if it's not Tom Brady and the Patriots together, Like,
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it just doesn't work for my brain to see Tom
Brady place somewhere else, to see this thing break up. Now.
The realist in me says, if Tom Brady stays in
New England, that it's the two of them Bill, well,
three of them, Bill Craft and Tom sit in the
room and say, okay, let's take one final ride together.
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Because if Bill wants to do this for another ten years,
I could see why you would move on without Tom
Brady and get the next guy and go young and
redo this thing. If he only has a couple more
years in him, then why not why not ride into
the sunset with your guy, Tom Brady. That's how I
hope it unfolds. I know that's not great analysis, and
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that's why he prefaced it with I think I'm too
emotionally attached. I just can't see an NFL right now
without Tom Brady and Bill Belichick being together. Whether you
love him or hate him, they are the NFL at
its essence for the last what is it eighteen years?
I mean, it's just I can't see it any other way.
By the way, yesterday I was banging on you know,
everybody on Twitter's like, how could all these dumb gms
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pass on DK Metcalf? And my takeaway is, listen, he's
a bodybuilder that runs bad routes. Those gms aren't dumb.
Russell Wilson just makes it work because he makes everything work.
Break down. Metcalf had a game yesterday and suddenly everybody's
like he's a superstar. And I watch him and I say, no,
he just he's a freak. And Russell Wilson delivers pillows
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down the field. I mean, what do you see with him?
One hundred percent agree with you. First of all, the
evaluators are not dumb. They had him right where he
needed to be. He's a run He's a big, strong, run,
fast jump high guy. Right now this part of his career,
and now he can develop and become a great route
runner and a great receiver. And I wouldn't put it
past him to do so. But what you evaluated was
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just a physical freak, that was a linear speed guy
that was going to run down and win fifty fifty balls,
but not be a craftsman. But I think what you're
saying is so true that the ultimate, the ultimate gift
that the great quarterbacks have, Like let's just the NFL
is doing this top one hundred thing. Let's take the
ten greatest of all time. More than their talent is
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their ability to make everybody better. That is the job
of the great quarterback is you make the building better.
You make the lineman better, you make the receivers better,
you make the coaches better, you make the secretaries better,
you make the equipment guys better. The whole organization is
better because of you're a great us and how you
approach your job. That's what Russell Wilson does. We see
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it happening DK Metcalf yesterday. But we see it with
running backs, we see it with offensive lineman, we see
it with defensive personnel turnover, we see it with coaching
staff turnover. Like Russell Wilson has that magic touch that
whatever he touches is gonna be better. And that's the
essence of his greatness. Saint dk Metcalf is gonna be
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the reason they go to the Super Bowl. Yeah, he's
a he's a big play threat. But the best player,
in my opinion, in the entire league is Russell Wilson.
Yeah how about that? How about that Joy? That's my MVP.
Trent Dilford, Lipscomb Academy head football coach, got him to
a couple of playoff wins this year in Nashville, Tennessee's
got install. Hey you kids out there in Nashville, you're
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hanging around, you can play for anybody. See that little
emblem right there, that's the next New England Patriots. In Nashville, Tennessee.
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