January 7, 2020 • 37 mins
Colin thinks the Giants panicked and hired the wrong coach after missing out on Matt Rhule. He explains why Mike McCarthy was not the disappointment in Green Bay that he has been labeled as. He says Aaron Rodgers has no more excuses after getting every break this season. Plus, NBC Sports' Peter King tells Colin why after talking to Tom Brady he thinks there is a very good chance he leaves the Patriots.
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a wild Tuesday, live in Los Angeles. This is the Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
We're on iHeartRadio, Fox Sports Radio and FS one. Joy
Taylor is joining me, and we have all sorts of
moves in the last hour. Great college coach is now
going to Carolina. The Giants just hired somebody nobody's heard
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of Cleveland. Brown's no idea where they're going at this point,
not getting the interviews they want. And Joy's joining me,
Joy Crazy Morning Crazy. Yes, I mean, look, it's the NFL.
There's there's a lot going on right now, all right,
So the jobs are all filling up. Joe Judge just
got hired by the New York Giants. I think the
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Giants panicked. I think Dave Getleman panicked. This is a
bad move to me. I don't know much about Joe Judge.
I made two calls this morning in a text. All
I know is this is that New York City is
rich and powerful. It's the number one media market, and
it creates panic, overspending, overreaching, in insanity. And this guy,
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this guy is an assistant. He is not ready, in
my opinion, to be a head coach of the New
York Giants. I just feel it's a reach. Now. I'm
not saying it didn't have talent, but number one. Belichick's
coaching tree has mostly been a disaster. Why Because proximity
to genius does an equal genius. I could work next
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to Elon Musk for ten years. His IQ was so
greater than so much greater than mine. I'm not going
to get bits and pieces of it. Andy reads coaching
tree is excellent, everybody works. Why because he is a
mentor and a teacher and a big bear, and he
puts his arms around you and he shares his knowledge.
Whereas Belichick's a genius and his coaching tree's mostly been
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a mess. By the way, what was the part of
the Patriots this year that massively underachieved wide receivers. Nikkio Harry,
the rookie first round pick, never developed. Mohammed Sadu, Why
did it take so long? Tight ends, nobody's productive. I
mean to me, I think it's a big whiff. And
I think Ian O'Connor's a writer in New York. He
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said it this morning. They wanted Matt Rule. Matt Rule
at Baylor took the Carolina job. Matt Rule worked with
the New York Giants. He's from I think Long Island.
The Giants wanted to interview him in this morning. They
saw Carolina give him seventy million dollars not even talk
to the Giants. The Giants started getting crushed on social media,
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and they finalize a deal for Joe Judge, who was
potentially going to take the Mississippi State job, which is
the eighth best job in a college football conference down south.
So you know, I have a theory on this. A's
higher a's and b's higher cs. Gettleman's a B. Joe Judge,
You'll feel indebted to him. Joe Judge is somebody that
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won't push back. Mike McCarthy no interest in the Giants.
Ron Rivera no interest in the Giant tried rather coached
against him. Jason Garrett, you know, didn't show a lot
of interest in the New York Giants. I'm not sure
if they loved him, but there's candidates out here. Urban Meyer,
no interest. Matt Rule was their guy. When Matt Rules
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signed this morning at about eight o'clock Pacific, the Giants
panicked and hired a guy who, at best right now
is ready to coach the seventh or eighth best team
in the SEC. I think this is what happened. John
Dorsey insecure guy, loud guy hires Freddie Kitchens because he
knows Freddie Kitchens feels indebted to him. Freddie Kitchens won't
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push back. I mean, if you're gonna hire somebody in
New York, why wouldn't you hire Josh McDaniels. And I
think McDaniels is a tad overrated and there's a lot
of ego. But Josh McDaniels would roll his eyes at
old school Gettleman. He would push back on Gettleman. He'd say,
we're winning championships. You haven't won anything. And so Josh
McDaniels is a threat to Dave Getleman, And so Dave
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Getleman goes with a guy that listened to him, won't
push back, he gives him his first job, he feels
indebted to him. I don't like the move, and I'll
say it again. So Eric b Enemy is an offensive
coordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs. Have you watched their
offense for the last two years? By the way, the
last time and Andy Reid offensive coordinator left Doug Peterson,
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he went and won a Super Bowl. All of Andy's
assistants work. I mean John Harbaugh, Doug Peterson, Matt Naggie,
they all work. None of Belichick's do. So you got
Eric Bienemy, who had the MVP last year, has been
key in the growth and development of Patrick Mahomes. And
all Mahomes has done is be smart and mature and
grow and get better. You didn't take that guy, but
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you took belichick coaching tree, and Belichick's coaching trees a mess.
And you take a wider receiver coach whose wider receivers
this year were the worst in the league. That's a
panic move. I mean, you can see through this. This
is like a used bar of neutrogena. Soap. Baby, you
can see right through this thing. Gettleman's a bee. He
hired a c because they panicked. And by the way,
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this is I've been saying this for five or six years.
Joyce heard this a couple of times. New York is
so powerful and so big and so rich, and there's
so much pressure that teams are. Outside of the Yankees,
the whole city's a mess. Those pro sports teams are
poorly owned, poorly run. They panicked, they overreachs, they overspend,
and the Yankees are just in a sport with no
salary cap. So they just they just say, Garrett call,
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here's three hundred and thirty million. Nobody else can compete
with it. Garret Cole could have fit other places. No,
I mean half the team's in Major League Baseball, maybe
seventy five percent. Just couldn't afford to even make an
offer to Garrett Cole or CCSA Matthew when Yankees paid
him twenty million more than anybody else could. So I
got Joe Judge may be a fine coach, but to
take a Belichick guy, not even Belichick's Belichick's the best
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coach on that staff. McDaniels is the second best. Coach
Brian Flores was the third best, and he took Miami.
Cross your fingers hopefully that works. But there's nothing about
this move. I like, there is nothing about it. I
like he got one coaching three in Kansas City that
works with everybody, and they got a coordinator who's a
former player who has been nothing but brilliant. In the
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last three guys that have left Andy Reid have all
hit home runs. I mean, Matt Naggie say what you want,
has made Trabisky about as good as he. We won
a division with Mitch Drubisky. That's all I'm gonna say
about Matt Naggie won a division with Mitch Drubisky. Doug
Peterson boom Super Bowl, and I had my chos about
Doug Peterson beats Belichick in a Super Bowl. John Harbaugh,
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there's another Andy Reid guy. Maybe you've noticed he coaches
the best team in football. Everybody from Andy Reid works,
Nobody from Belichick works. And you take the wide receiver coach.
I just do not get it. Wow, And I think
I think this is what New York creates. It's so
big and so powerful and so loud and so rich.
It creates this pressure and people panic. I've seen the
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Mets panic, the Giants panic, the Jets panic. Thank god
the Jets didn't fire Adam Gase. I thought they were
going to overreact and do that. I was like, God,
don't fire Adam Gaze. Don't cave. By the way, we've
seen the Giants cave before. They caved on the Eli
Manning thing. You saw what happened with the Eli Manning
think the organization caved and and then they benched Elion.
They freaked out. And this is what has happened to
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the Giants, a once proud organization that has patted themselves
on the back too long. Their old school, their GM's
over as skis, it's it's it's yikes. Wow. Congrats to
Carson Wentz and Mike McCarthy. That's who you get a face.
By the way, let me let me shift to Mike McCarthy.
He you know, it's easy this morning. Everybody like he
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wouldn't have been my first choice. But let's be fair
to Mike McCarthy. He got all the arrows, he got
all the criticism for the Green Bay situation. So let's
go to look at green Bay McCarthy's last year and
this year without McCarthy points per game. Now, let's not
talk about record and defense. Points per game. Green Bay
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didn't improve yards per game. Actually, they were better with
McCarthy yards per play, They were better with McCarthy third
down percentage, they were better with McCarthy. Second half points
a game adjustment points better with McCarthy. Does that mean
Mike McCarthy's brilliant. No, But what it means is Mike
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McCarthy is not a dope. I don't love the higher
because it feels safe to me. He feels like Jason
Garrett with a better resume. He's not really creative. He
is a grown up. His strengths are Garrett strengths. He's
a grown up, he's an adult. He's got an even
keel personality. I think he has a pretty good eye
for personnel. McCarthy's weaknesses I think our Jason Garrett's weaknesses.
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He can gets stuck into ruts. I don't think he's
super creative. You know, hands authority to people on the
staff that he probably shouldn't hand authority too. But let's
not be crazy about Mike McCarthy here. The Packers record
is better because the Packers finally spent money on defense,
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and the Packers defense is better this year because they
finally spent money on defense. Don't blame that for Mike McCarthy.
The offense in Green Bay slightly ticks down. It ticked
down in totally yards yards for play, third down percentage
and adjustment points in the second half. So I've a
said Green Bay Aaron Rodgers is not sorry, cheeseheads. He's
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not the easiest guy to coach, and McCarthy complained for
years that Ted Thompson wouldn't get him big time defensive
players through free agency. So and I don't want this
to be that Mike McCarthy can't coach. Just because somebody's
not my first choice doesn't mean I don't think they're
good coaches. Mike McCarthy is. And now we know he'll
go too and oh against the New York Giants next
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year with a Dallas Cowboys, so that's the good news
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Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio app. Joe Judge
takes the New York Giants job. Of course he does
if it's offered you'd take it. I don't like to
move at all. I don't understand it. I think there
was better candidates out there. I'm not a huge Josh
McDaniels fan, to be honest with you, I think there's
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a lot of ego. He was a disaster in Denver.
He's never done anything without Brady, you know. But I'll
say Belichick's coaching tree. Mike Rabel did not coach coach
under Belichick. So don't give me a Mike Rabel thing.
It's Bill O'Brien in Penn State got better when Bill
O'Brien left. Fact, they got better when he left. And Houston,
you watch him play week after week, you think they're
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well coached. I mean, they can't be that poorly coached,
or can they Maybe it's just a Shaun Watson. But
nobody looks at Houston and goes elite coaching. You look
at a lot of teams in the NFL, you're like
elite coaching. You don't do that with Houston. You think
they're talented. That's what you think. You think J. J. Watton,
Shaun Watson will floor d hop. You don't think well coached.
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So I don't get taken. You know Belichick's for I
mean Dante Scarnecki is probably his best assistant. Josh McDaniels second,
Brian Flores was third. He's gone to Miami, Joe Judge,
I don't get it. By the way, Tom Brady is
now saying publicly he talked to Peter King about this.
He had a quote banging say, I want to play football.
If it's with New England, great. If I have to
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go elsewhere great. Brady is now acknowledging he wants to
play football. He likes New England, but he would play elsewhere.
Let me just say this, even for great athletes, forget
the average guy, but even for superstar athletes, it almost
always ends choppy. Michael Jordan to the Wizards, Patrick Ewing
to the Sonics in Orlando, Magic a team to the Raptors.
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Joe Namath ended up out here in Los Angeles. Brett
Farve goes with the Jets. Had one good year with
Minnesota than a choppy year. Emmett Smith to the Cardinals.
Your best, if you got your money, just tie a
bow around it. Class dignity. You know, Derek Jeter did
it the right way. John Elway Super Bowl MVP exits
did it the right way. Brady's not good enough to
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elevate average people anymore. We all know that. So you know,
he can't go to a rebuild, so he'd have to
get the perfect situation. I don't think the perfect situation
is out there. The Chargers are anonymous in Los Angeles.
I like their personnel, but they've already got an old
quarterback and they're gonna draft one this year. So yeah,
you'd have some young kid breathing down your neck. Tennessee
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Titans really your brand? Who was nine and seven franchise historically,
Colts Gazelle's not moving the family to Indianapolis, even though
I think it's a perfect fit. The supermodel's not giving
up her career to go to Indianapolis, although they have
an excellent Panera bread near the stadium. It's a fine
city with lots to do. I mean, I think it's
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a perfect time to retire or stay in New England.
That that's my gut feeling. I've seen so many athletes
great athletes, unless unless there's a money issue, which there
clearly isn't, you can wrap a bow around this career.
Tony Gonzalez talked about this yesterday on the show. Is
nobody questions if Tom Brady can still win games. He
just won his division. That's not what it's about. According
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to Tony Gonzalez, I wasn't who I used to be,
and I knew it as far as an athlete on
that field. What told this before? How Jerry Rice. I
was talking to him while I was still in the
you know, feeling really good, and I said, did you
know that you wanted to retire? And he said, I'm
gonna give you some advice. Played to the wheels fall off,
and that was Jerry Rice. And that's what Jerry Rice did.
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I did not want that. I didn't want that father
that was taking his son or daughter to the game
and saying you should have seen that guy back in
the day, that he was good, that he's a That's
not who he is anymore. Listen, Tom Brady could end
now with eleven straight AFC East titles, eleven straight playoff
appearances in eight of nine AFC championships, one team, one coach,
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goat Seacrest out. That feels incredibly clean to me. It's
like Johnny Carson, Johnny Carson retires, does one last great show,
Bye Bye, everybody, and then he goes plays tennis. He's
not dinking around on after school specials and crappy you
know stuff on goofy Networks. Johnny Carson's like Seacrest out,
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great career, great last show. Let's go play tennis. I
think it's a perfect time for Brady to retire. I'm
not predicting he's going to. I just think I like
clean ending. I mean, I even get along with my
ex wife. I'm not a big fan of having these choppy,
uneven endings in life. I like, you know, a clean, solid, dignified, indisputable.
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It's over, but let's look back fondly of it. That's
that's I think it's a perfect time to retire. I
think McDaniels is leaving. You've got assistance leaving. They're gonna
draft a quarterback to breathe behind your neck, and they
don't spend any money on top free agents, so forget
getting tight end or wide receiver help. I mean, Mohammed
Sanu is about as risky as they get. So I
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think it's a real choppy place. I think your division's
getting better. I think the AFC's got younger quarterbacks. I
think the game is sort of moving away from him
slightly right now. That's my gut feeling on it. I
like the Tony Gonzales way. Wrap a bow under that,
put it under the tree. Come back next year, open
the present. Like come back in a year and say, gosh,
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I miss the game. It's so much fun. But I'm
glad I'm retired. I like the Jeter way. I like
the Gonzales way. I like the John Elway way much
more than I like the Nameth way, the Achy way,
the Ewing way, the Michael Jordan way. Be sure to
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are bad job pickers, and I tell young people joy
all the time in my business, say no, be patient.
So this is an interesting So a lot of people
are worked up because Eric B. Enemy African American candidates
he has interviewed for Cleveland. But I'm telling you right now,
B Enemy's gonna get offers. I'm not sure I'd take
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the Cleveland job. So so everybody's freaking out today. Eric B.
Enemy is somebody I would look at strongly. Does he
just take the job because it's the first offer. You
and I have been in this business a long time.
It's very important where you go. I think I've said
this to you before, not that you needed advice, but
I've said it to everybody. Don't chase money, chase good management.
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There's a sea of money if you're talented. Okay, there's
a sea of it. You and I know this. We've
had a lot of jobs and we feel lucky now
at management. We've also had bad management. Talented people cannot
overcome bad management. Belichick was fired in Cleveland because you
don't make the final decisions. Doesn't matter how competent or
talented you are rumps by somebody who is not as
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talented or competent, who has more power. That's why in
college football, because you control recruiting. If you're a good coach,
they all succeed, everybody. There's never been a great coach
who fails in college There have been great coaches who
have failed. In the NFL. Pete Carroll has been fired twice.
Saban got fired. He's a great coach. Belichick got fired,
Andy Reid got fired. In the NFL, it's different who
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owns your team. Tony Romo says, this never been a guy.
Go look at the Dynasty's been no bad owners and
no bad defenses. We pay attention to quarterbacks. Tony Romo,
go look at his career. Didn't have a lot of
great defenses, you know, so you start look at Aaron
Rodgers has never really had He had one really good defense.
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Aaron Rodgers won a super Bowl. Okay, Peyton Manning I
thought had one great defense in Indie. He won a
super Bowl. So I look at the I'm not trying
to take a shot at Cleveland, but I look at
these guys. Everybody's freaking out with Eric B. Enemy and
my takeaway is for Josh McDaniels and Eric B. Enemy,
these are talented coaches who are going to get offers.
Think about this. Be patient, is what I'm saying here.
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I've seen this my whole life. Chip Kelly, I love
Chip Kelly. I know Chip Kelly. Why did you take
the UCLA job. That's the second best job in LA.
What are you doing? That's the fourth best football job
in LA? After the Rams, usc the Chargers, then UCLA.
Mike Dunley, he's a friend of mine. He once took
a Clipper job with Donald Sterling. As the owner, and
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I remember thinking, what are you doing? You just got
to the Western Conference finals with Portland. Just take you
got money. You're a smart guy. Take two years off,
you'll get a job. I look at the thing about
one year from now, one year from now in the
NF felt if if Eric b Enemy is patient, and
if Josh McDaniels is patient, because we all know Cleveland
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just fires coaches. In one year, Atlanta great owner and
Matt Ryan could be open, and they're gonna hire an
offensive coach. The enemy is an offensive coach, and Josh
McDaniels is an offensive coach. In one year, if Atlanta
doesn't win, dan Quinn's got a year, they're gonna hire
an offensive coach. You get a great owner and a
great quarterback. That's a great job. Houston in one year,
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Bill O'Brien's quirky, you get Deshaun Watson and great place
to live in Houston and all sorts of skill people.
Belichick could Bolton New England. I mean he's gonna be seventy, right,
so you could have Sam Darnold that Jets roster. Now
they have a legitimate GM, Sam Darnold, Joe Douglas is
a legitimate GM. They got all sorts of players now
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that they don't have players. So I look at this thing.
Now everybody's got you know, we've got a couple of
really good candidates out there. Cleveland is so toxic, so toxic.
I was Josh McDaniels or Eric Biannemy, I would just
not take the job. And I'm not picking on Cleveland.
The facts are the facts. Belichick's the last guy to
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get five years there. I mean, they just and McDaniels
is Remember if Josh, If Josh McDaniels fails, it's over.
He did not take Andrew Luck, which I thought was
a massive mistake. He wanted to draft Tebow, massive mistake.
He takes this gig, he'll make money, but he's a
coordinator for the rest of his life. And Josh McDaniels, again,
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there's some Lane Kiffin here. He wants to be a
head coach. This is not I do not think Cleveland's
a very good job. I would not take this if
I was an elite candidate. This is a little more
strategy to it than it appears. I'll tell you this.
I think the Giants is an underrated job. I don't
know Joe Judge, I think it's a bit of a reach,
But let me tell you the New York Giants job.
You have two very good defensive linemen under twenty five
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Leonard will Dexter Lawrence star running back, appears to be
a very talented quarterback on a rookie deal for three
more years. Gettleman's kind of goofy, but he'll be out
of there in a year if it doesn't work. The
Giants job, to me, is underrated. You got Washington perennially underachieving.
That could be a couple wins a year. They have
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also a number four pick the Giants do, and the
three teams drafting after the Giants all need a quarterback,
so you could leverage that to get multiple ones over
the course of the next three years. I think the
Giants job. This is another reason I'm critical of the Giants.
This Giants job's a good job. It's got a lot
of things you're looking for. Mara's are stable, Daniel Jones
is talented and cheap too, excellent defensive lineman under twenty five,
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a star running back. The old line's not great, but
it's not a total rebuild, and they went and got
Joe Judge like to me, boy oh boy, Joe Judge
in Cleveland, I wouldn't spend a lot of time on
like it's like maybe that's all they can get. Maybe
I'm nuts on this. I think the giant's job now
Gettleman turned some people off. I get it, but he's
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out of there. The bottom line is, if Mike McCarthy
would have taken that job, he had to said getting
Gettleman out of here. Gettleman would have been on the
first subway, you know, out of town. One more Herd.
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negative toward Aaron Rodgers. I am not negative toward Aaron Rodgers.
I think Aaron can be difficult to coach. I think
at times he's arrogant and condescending and not the greatest leader.
But I think he is an all time talent. I
will say it this weekend, and maybe Aaron Rodgers hasn't
been lucky his whole career. He's gotten every break this
year he wanted the coach fired. Boom, he's gone. He
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wanted the team to spend money on defense. Boom they did.
Chicago Detroit imploded in their division. He got home field
and a buy at home and now it's injury ravage
Seattle without their running game, and if Minnesota upsets San Francisco,
they get the Vikings at home and Kirk Cousins in
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the biggest game of Kirk Cousins life. The other thing
is they got to play the AFC West and the
best quarterback, Patrick Mahomes they faced, didn't play. And they
also faced the NFC East, which was the worst division
in football, which allowed them to beat the Giants, and
you know, beat Washington and it beat the Dallas Cowboys.
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They've gotten every break this year, Like the excuses are done.
All they have to do is be injury riddled Seattle,
who now beats Philadelphia flights all the way back to
the Pacific Northwest. Now we'll fly all the way to Milwaukee.
So they lose it. They lose a day traveling and
they're all beat up and they don't have their core strength,
which is their running game, which they along with Baltimore
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and San Francisco have really lived. They have great quarterbacks,
but have lived off that dominating time of possession offense.
Aaron's gotten a lot of breaks also. Green Bay I
think is the healthiest NFC team left and that's some
of its luck now that there have been years. Eron
hasn't been the luckiest quarterback, but boyd they get breaks.
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Beat injury riddled Seattle at home, and then it's potentially
Minnesota and even if you face San Francisco, they humiliated
you last time, which psychologically is at an edge. It's
hard to crush somebody and then face them again and
inspire your troops. Yeah, we rolled them by thirty. They're
really dangerous. That's hard to do. It's much easier to
say we got humiliated, we got revenge. They humiliated us
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on national TV. It's much easier to do that than yeah,
we beat them by thirty. I swear they are really good.
So this is kind of the year for Aaron Rodgers.
This is the opportunity. It has been totally for all
those years you said, Brady, I mean home by Bills, Jets, Dolphins.
It's paved. This year has been paved for the Green
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So I see a trend, Peter, Kyle Shanahan long contract,
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Matt Rule long contract, John Gruden long contract. You know
what it says to me, Peter, It's like, listen, we
want to empower the coach. You're gonna make mistakes. But
we look at New England and we look at how
they have been so formidable, and a lot of it
is the monotony of repetition of the same offense and
the same defense. So if I like what Carolina did,
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even though it's a college coach, what say you? I
like it too, Colin? With just one little proviso. It's
all well and good to give a guy a seven
year contract, But if you go four twelve, four, twelve,
and three and thirteen the first three years, do you
think that Matt Rule is going to be back for
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the fourth year. I don't think so, and I'm not
saying that's going to happen I'm saying that Kyle Shanahan
was whatever he was ten and twenty two his first
two years. Yeah, Well, if Garoppolo plays this year and
they're four and twelve, do you think he's coming back
for year four? He might because Jed Yorke really liked him.
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But I mean, that's it's a good idea to show
all the faith in the world that the Carolina Panthers
and David Tepper are showing in Matt Rule. And I
think he's got a good shot. But I do just
want to throw one slight bit of water on the
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fire here, Colin. You know, I wrote in my column
on Monday that there have been nine college guys, big
college stars hired in this century so far to be
NFL head coaches. I don't include Bill O'Brien and Pete
Carroll here because they were mostly NFL coaches who went
to college football and then came back to the NFL.
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I'm talking about guys who were pretty much exclusively college
coaches and then went to the NFL. And only two
of the nine coaches, okay, had winning records with their
first teams. That's Chip Kelly, who was widely derided as
a failure in Philadelphia and Jim Harbaugh, who obviously was
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a success, but think of those who failed. Nick Saban
fifteen and seventeen in two years, and then he ran
off to Tuscaloosa. So again again. Nick Saban when he
took the Miami job, was absolutely totally all in Wayne Heizenga.
I'm your guy, I'm here. We're gonna build a great team.
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And after two years he went to Wayne Heiazenga and
said I want out. So again. I like it. I
like the faith shown, but that doesn't necessarily mean that
the Panthers are going to be a great team. Yeah,
they got a Cam issue to figure out, and they
got a draft quarterbacks. I think they'll stay with Cam.
It's probably good news for Cam because a new quarterback,
you know, defining one these days is not easy when
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you're you know, you have four or five teams in
front of you that want one. Let's go to the Giants.
I actually think the Giants is a good job. I
don't know if they made the right higher. They have
two good defensive linemen under twenty five, Leonard Williams, Dexter
Lawrence Star running back, good pick they could leverage for
more picks Daniel Jones on a rookie contract. I'm not
a fan of Gettleman, but beat out as it may,
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I think you have solid ownership, Joe Judge to me.
You know I was saying this earlier. Peter New York
puts so much pressure on its owners that I think
sometimes they panic, overspend and overreach. It feels like Matt
Rule was their number one guy got the Carolina job,
and they go, Okay, we gotta get Joe Judge. I
don't know. It feels a little bit like a reach
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to me. Is that fair by me? I think it's fair.
I don't understand there wasn't anybody else who was gonna
hire Joe Judge, so you hire Joe Judge before you
even talk to Josh McDaniels. And again, maybe they would
have picked Joe Judge over Josh McDaniels. Maybe they would
have picked somebody else. I don't know, but I find
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it very odd that the Patriots lose an assistant coach
and it's not Josh McDaniels. Oh. I've been around a lot,
and I happen to think is really really good. But
I think the one other thing to think about with
the Giants right here is that this is not a
bad job. A lot of people are killing the Giants
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over Gettleman and all that other stuff. But I can
tell you the time I spent with Mike McCarthy in
the middle of December in Green Bay. He was extremely
interested in the Giants job. He loves Daniel Jones, and
so I think the Giants still, even though they might
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be hamstrung by Gettleman for a year or two, I
still think that's a good job. Any team that has
a great history and has a long term quarterback, that's
the Giants. You'll figure everything else out. Colin, I still
think that's a good job. I agree. I want to
talk about Tom Brady. So you've had a good relationship
with Tom. He clearly respects you, and he is now
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acknowledging to you, Peter King, that I want to play football.
You know, I would look elsewhere. You know, we never
really heard John Elways say that or Derek Jeter say that, like, yeah,
I'd go and play elsewhere. There was a sense like
I'm going to wrap a bone in it and retire.
It's really interesting because I had somebody this weekend say, listen,
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Gizelle's made a lot of sacrifices, and she's probably not
gonna say let's go to Indy. And that was somebody
that really believes that. It's not the big list you
think where Tom could go, and he's not coming off
a great year, Peter. There's just too many things that
line up here. Though there's so much noise, I do
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give Brady leaving at least a fifty fifty shot. I mean,
I'm just hearing too much. House for sale, Guerrero's house
for sale. It sounds like you think Tom could leave
as well. When I walked out of that room with
him at midnight on Saturday, I thought that there's going
to be at least a fifty fifty chance that he'll leave.
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Look at look at what's going on, Colin. He made
it known to me and to the press after the
game that he wants to play in twenty twenty. He's
very strong about that with me. So he's not retiring.
I mean, unless nobody's interested, he is not retiring. So
now let's look at the options. You got Bill Belichick, who,
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against popular wishes in Cleveland, benched Bernie Kozar, you got,
you got how he handled Drew Bledsoe when he came
back from his jury in two thousand and one, he
kept playing Brady. So he's clearly not afraid to make
a major decision with his quarterback. And look at it
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this way. To Colin and I wrote this, I mean,
you're Bill Belichick, and you know that Tom Brady might
have a year maybe two left, and he might not
even be that good at in those in that period
of time. So you're Belichick and you say, hey, listen,
whether it's Jared Stidham or whether it's the fifth quarterback
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in this draft, you know, maybe we ought to just
start over. However, and I somehow, some way, I get
the feeling that that's gonna be Belichick's call. Finally, you
spend a lot of time with Mike McCarthy recently, and
I think that article helped him his drive toward analytics
and growing. I think that absolutely helped Mike McCarthy. Are
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you surprised Dallas was the landing spot for the former
Packer coach? I think a lot lined up that was
going to be right with him in Dallas. I think
Jerry Jones wants a traditional football coach who he can
just say, okay, the football is handled I'll worry about
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the stadium, I'll worry about all the extra stuff, but
my football team is in a good place with an establishment,
established football coach. In some ways, it's like when he
hired Bill Parcels. You know, he had been he had
had enough of Dave Campo in six and ten, and
he's had enough of Jason Garrett. Quite honestly, even though
he absolutely loves them, because I'm sure he will say,
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I think we underachieved with Jason Garrett. So the fact
that now they have an established establishment football coach, I
think makes all the sense in the world. And the
one other thing I would say, if I'm Dak Prescott,
I'm happy right now because the one thing that Mike
McCarthy is is a mechanics nerd. When I was in
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Green Bay with McCarthy, he queued up a tape of
all the quarterbacks he's coached over the years, going back
to Joe Montana twenty six years ago in Kansas City,
and showing all of the tape of all of these
guys and quite honestly, how their mechanics improved. Not necessarily Montana,
but Aaron Rodgers his first year. He showed me Rogers drop,
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and he showed me Rogers drop him a couple of
years ago. It was totally night and day. And so
I think that is going to be a good thing
for a young quarterback. And believe me, I know Dak
Prescott but only a little bit. And I do know
he wants to be coached. McCarthy oll coach him hard.
By the way, you know, it's fascinating to watch all
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the games this weekend, Absolutely fascinating that, you know, Breeze Brady,
they're getting older and you have all these young quarterbacks.
Now we're taking college concepts. This is sort of vague
and ambiguous, but about a minute left. I don't remember
a time in my life where we had all these exciting,
great quarterbacks, a couple of absolute legends, then Wilson and
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Aaron Rodgers in the middle. I don't remember a time.
And we also have three good prospects in college this year,
two superstar prospects next year. I honestly believe it's the
most talented the quarterback position has ever been in my life.
Even the young guys year two are exceptional. But take
me back seventies eighties, you have a greater sense of that.
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I'm just watching these games this weekend, and I'm like, Lord,
there's talent at this position. Maybe it's all the seven
on seven stuff the last twenty years. They've been taking
snaps since they were nine years old. What do you
make of it? I remember when Phil Simms left the
Giants and the Giants just really muddled around for a
couple three, four, five years, Dave Brown, Danny Cannell. Yeah,
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and there wasn't the inventory coming out of college football
that there is today. Now Eli Manning has done, So
what do they do. They go out and get Daniel Jones,
who was not a popular pick but in his first
year showed a huge amount of promise. And I'll only
make this point Colin. You know, I find it very interesting.
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Has anybody said, in the last three or four years
man the NFL missus Peyton Manning. No, I mean they
miss Peyton Manning because he's a cool personality and all
that stuff. But as a player, I mean, everybody's doing
just fine. And I don't mean everybody, but the most
teams in the league that I remember have promising, good,
fun young quarterbacks and with the proviso Russell Wilson wants
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to play till he's ninety, so even though he's past thirty,
I think you're going to get at least ten more
years out of Russell Wilson. Yeah, and Andrew Luck retired,
we could have another great quarterback right now, moving into
his prime, and that was obvious. See sort of an
outlier move, Peter
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going to Carolina. The Giants just hired somebody nobody's heard
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of Cleveland. Brown's no idea where they're going at this point,
not getting the interviews they want. And Joy's joining me,
Joy Crazy Morning Crazy. Yes, I mean, look, it's the NFL.
There's there's a lot going on right now, all right,
So the jobs are all filling up. Joe Judge just
got hired by the New York Giants. I think the
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Giants panicked. I think Dave Getleman panicked. This is a
bad move to me. I don't know much about Joe Judge.
I made two calls this morning in a text. All
I know is this is that New York City is
rich and powerful. It's the number one media market, and
it creates panic, overspending, overreaching, in insanity. And this guy,
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this guy is an assistant. He is not ready, in
my opinion, to be a head coach of the New
York Giants. I just feel it's a reach. Now. I'm
not saying it didn't have talent, but number one. Belichick's
coaching tree has mostly been a disaster. Why Because proximity
to genius does an equal genius. I could work next
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to Elon Musk for ten years. His IQ was so
greater than so much greater than mine. I'm not going
to get bits and pieces of it. Andy reads coaching
tree is excellent, everybody works. Why because he is a
mentor and a teacher and a big bear, and he
puts his arms around you and he shares his knowledge.
Whereas Belichick's a genius and his coaching tree's mostly been
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a mess. By the way, what was the part of
the Patriots this year that massively underachieved wide receivers. Nikkio Harry,
the rookie first round pick, never developed. Mohammed Sadu, Why
did it take so long? Tight ends, nobody's productive. I
mean to me, I think it's a big whiff. And
I think Ian O'Connor's a writer in New York. He
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said it this morning. They wanted Matt Rule. Matt Rule
at Baylor took the Carolina job. Matt Rule worked with
the New York Giants. He's from I think Long Island.
The Giants wanted to interview him in this morning. They
saw Carolina give him seventy million dollars not even talk
to the Giants. The Giants started getting crushed on social media,
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and they finalize a deal for Joe Judge, who was
potentially going to take the Mississippi State job, which is
the eighth best job in a college football conference down south.
So you know, I have a theory on this. A's
higher a's and b's higher cs. Gettleman's a B. Joe Judge,
You'll feel indebted to him. Joe Judge is somebody that
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won't push back. Mike McCarthy no interest in the Giants.
Ron Rivera no interest in the Giant tried rather coached
against him. Jason Garrett, you know, didn't show a lot
of interest in the New York Giants. I'm not sure
if they loved him, but there's candidates out here. Urban Meyer,
no interest. Matt Rule was their guy. When Matt Rules
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signed this morning at about eight o'clock Pacific, the Giants
panicked and hired a guy who, at best right now
is ready to coach the seventh or eighth best team
in the SEC. I think this is what happened. John
Dorsey insecure guy, loud guy hires Freddie Kitchens because he
knows Freddie Kitchens feels indebted to him. Freddie Kitchens won't
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push back. I mean, if you're gonna hire somebody in
New York, why wouldn't you hire Josh McDaniels. And I
think McDaniels is a tad overrated and there's a lot
of ego. But Josh McDaniels would roll his eyes at
old school Gettleman. He would push back on Gettleman. He'd say,
we're winning championships. You haven't won anything. And so Josh
McDaniels is a threat to Dave Getleman, And so Dave
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Getleman goes with a guy that listened to him, won't
push back, he gives him his first job, he feels
indebted to him. I don't like the move, and I'll
say it again. So Eric b Enemy is an offensive
coordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs. Have you watched their
offense for the last two years? By the way, the
last time and Andy Reid offensive coordinator left Doug Peterson,
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he went and won a Super Bowl. All of Andy's
assistants work. I mean John Harbaugh, Doug Peterson, Matt Naggie,
they all work. None of Belichick's do. So you got
Eric Bienemy, who had the MVP last year, has been
key in the growth and development of Patrick Mahomes. And
all Mahomes has done is be smart and mature and
grow and get better. You didn't take that guy, but
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you took belichick coaching tree, and Belichick's coaching trees a mess.
And you take a wider receiver coach whose wider receivers
this year were the worst in the league. That's a
panic move. I mean, you can see through this. This
is like a used bar of neutrogena. Soap. Baby, you
can see right through this thing. Gettleman's a bee. He
hired a c because they panicked. And by the way,
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this is I've been saying this for five or six years.
Joyce heard this a couple of times. New York is
so powerful and so big and so rich, and there's
so much pressure that teams are. Outside of the Yankees,
the whole city's a mess. Those pro sports teams are
poorly owned, poorly run. They panicked, they overreachs, they overspend,
and the Yankees are just in a sport with no
salary cap. So they just they just say, Garrett call,
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here's three hundred and thirty million. Nobody else can compete
with it. Garret Cole could have fit other places. No,
I mean half the team's in Major League Baseball, maybe
seventy five percent. Just couldn't afford to even make an
offer to Garrett Cole or CCSA Matthew when Yankees paid
him twenty million more than anybody else could. So I
got Joe Judge may be a fine coach, but to
take a Belichick guy, not even Belichick's Belichick's the best
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coach on that staff. McDaniels is the second best. Coach
Brian Flores was the third best, and he took Miami.
Cross your fingers hopefully that works. But there's nothing about
this move. I like, there is nothing about it. I
like he got one coaching three in Kansas City that
works with everybody, and they got a coordinator who's a
former player who has been nothing but brilliant. In the
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last three guys that have left Andy Reid have all
hit home runs. I mean, Matt Naggie say what you want,
has made Trabisky about as good as he. We won
a division with Mitch Drubisky. That's all I'm gonna say
about Matt Naggie won a division with Mitch Drubisky. Doug
Peterson boom Super Bowl, and I had my chos about
Doug Peterson beats Belichick in a Super Bowl. John Harbaugh,
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there's another Andy Reid guy. Maybe you've noticed he coaches
the best team in football. Everybody from Andy Reid works,
Nobody from Belichick works. And you take the wide receiver coach.
I just do not get it. Wow, And I think
I think this is what New York creates. It's so
big and so powerful and so loud and so rich.
It creates this pressure and people panic. I've seen the
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Mets panic, the Giants panic, the Jets panic. Thank god
the Jets didn't fire Adam Gase. I thought they were
going to overreact and do that. I was like, God,
don't fire Adam Gaze. Don't cave. By the way, we've
seen the Giants cave before. They caved on the Eli
Manning thing. You saw what happened with the Eli Manning
think the organization caved and and then they benched Elion.
They freaked out. And this is what has happened to
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the Giants, a once proud organization that has patted themselves
on the back too long. Their old school, their GM's
over as skis, it's it's it's yikes. Wow. Congrats to
Carson Wentz and Mike McCarthy. That's who you get a face.
By the way, let me let me shift to Mike McCarthy.
He you know, it's easy this morning. Everybody like he
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wouldn't have been my first choice. But let's be fair
to Mike McCarthy. He got all the arrows, he got
all the criticism for the Green Bay situation. So let's
go to look at green Bay McCarthy's last year and
this year without McCarthy points per game. Now, let's not
talk about record and defense. Points per game. Green Bay
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didn't improve yards per game. Actually, they were better with
McCarthy yards per play, They were better with McCarthy third
down percentage, they were better with McCarthy. Second half points
a game adjustment points better with McCarthy. Does that mean
Mike McCarthy's brilliant. No, But what it means is Mike
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McCarthy is not a dope. I don't love the higher
because it feels safe to me. He feels like Jason
Garrett with a better resume. He's not really creative. He
is a grown up. His strengths are Garrett strengths. He's
a grown up, he's an adult. He's got an even
keel personality. I think he has a pretty good eye
for personnel. McCarthy's weaknesses I think our Jason Garrett's weaknesses.
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He can gets stuck into ruts. I don't think he's
super creative. You know, hands authority to people on the
staff that he probably shouldn't hand authority too. But let's
not be crazy about Mike McCarthy here. The Packers record
is better because the Packers finally spent money on defense,
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and the Packers defense is better this year because they
finally spent money on defense. Don't blame that for Mike McCarthy.
The offense in Green Bay slightly ticks down. It ticked
down in totally yards yards for play, third down percentage
and adjustment points in the second half. So I've a
said Green Bay Aaron Rodgers is not sorry, cheeseheads. He's
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not the easiest guy to coach, and McCarthy complained for
years that Ted Thompson wouldn't get him big time defensive
players through free agency. So and I don't want this
to be that Mike McCarthy can't coach. Just because somebody's
not my first choice doesn't mean I don't think they're
good coaches. Mike McCarthy is. And now we know he'll
go too and oh against the New York Giants next
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year with a Dallas Cowboys, so that's the good news
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takes the New York Giants job. Of course he does
if it's offered you'd take it. I don't like to
move at all. I don't understand it. I think there
was better candidates out there. I'm not a huge Josh
McDaniels fan, to be honest with you, I think there's
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a lot of ego. He was a disaster in Denver.
He's never done anything without Brady, you know. But I'll
say Belichick's coaching tree. Mike Rabel did not coach coach
under Belichick. So don't give me a Mike Rabel thing.
It's Bill O'Brien in Penn State got better when Bill
O'Brien left. Fact, they got better when he left. And Houston,
you watch him play week after week, you think they're
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well coached. I mean, they can't be that poorly coached,
or can they Maybe it's just a Shaun Watson. But
nobody looks at Houston and goes elite coaching. You look
at a lot of teams in the NFL, you're like
elite coaching. You don't do that with Houston. You think
they're talented. That's what you think. You think J. J. Watton,
Shaun Watson will floor d hop. You don't think well coached.
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So I don't get taken. You know Belichick's for I
mean Dante Scarnecki is probably his best assistant. Josh McDaniels second,
Brian Flores was third. He's gone to Miami, Joe Judge,
I don't get it. By the way, Tom Brady is
now saying publicly he talked to Peter King about this.
He had a quote banging say, I want to play football.
If it's with New England, great. If I have to
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go elsewhere great. Brady is now acknowledging he wants to
play football. He likes New England, but he would play elsewhere.
Let me just say this, even for great athletes, forget
the average guy, but even for superstar athletes, it almost
always ends choppy. Michael Jordan to the Wizards, Patrick Ewing
to the Sonics in Orlando, Magic a team to the Raptors.
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Joe Namath ended up out here in Los Angeles. Brett
Farve goes with the Jets. Had one good year with
Minnesota than a choppy year. Emmett Smith to the Cardinals.
Your best, if you got your money, just tie a
bow around it. Class dignity. You know, Derek Jeter did
it the right way. John Elway Super Bowl MVP exits
did it the right way. Brady's not good enough to
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elevate average people anymore. We all know that. So you know,
he can't go to a rebuild, so he'd have to
get the perfect situation. I don't think the perfect situation
is out there. The Chargers are anonymous in Los Angeles.
I like their personnel, but they've already got an old
quarterback and they're gonna draft one this year. So yeah,
you'd have some young kid breathing down your neck. Tennessee
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Titans really your brand? Who was nine and seven franchise historically,
Colts Gazelle's not moving the family to Indianapolis, even though
I think it's a perfect fit. The supermodel's not giving
up her career to go to Indianapolis, although they have
an excellent Panera bread near the stadium. It's a fine
city with lots to do. I mean, I think it's
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a perfect time to retire or stay in New England.
That that's my gut feeling. I've seen so many athletes
great athletes, unless unless there's a money issue, which there
clearly isn't, you can wrap a bow around this career.
Tony Gonzalez talked about this yesterday on the show. Is
nobody questions if Tom Brady can still win games. He
just won his division. That's not what it's about. According
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to Tony Gonzalez, I wasn't who I used to be,
and I knew it as far as an athlete on
that field. What told this before? How Jerry Rice. I
was talking to him while I was still in the
you know, feeling really good, and I said, did you
know that you wanted to retire? And he said, I'm
gonna give you some advice. Played to the wheels fall off,
and that was Jerry Rice. And that's what Jerry Rice did.
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I did not want that. I didn't want that father
that was taking his son or daughter to the game
and saying you should have seen that guy back in
the day, that he was good, that he's a That's
not who he is anymore. Listen, Tom Brady could end
now with eleven straight AFC East titles, eleven straight playoff
appearances in eight of nine AFC championships, one team, one coach,
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goat Seacrest out. That feels incredibly clean to me. It's
like Johnny Carson, Johnny Carson retires, does one last great show,
Bye Bye, everybody, and then he goes plays tennis. He's
not dinking around on after school specials and crappy you
know stuff on goofy Networks. Johnny Carson's like Seacrest out,
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great career, great last show. Let's go play tennis. I
think it's a perfect time for Brady to retire. I'm
not predicting he's going to. I just think I like
clean ending. I mean, I even get along with my
ex wife. I'm not a big fan of having these choppy,
uneven endings in life. I like, you know, a clean, solid, dignified, indisputable.
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It's over, but let's look back fondly of it. That's
that's I think it's a perfect time to retire. I
think McDaniels is leaving. You've got assistance leaving. They're gonna
draft a quarterback to breathe behind your neck, and they
don't spend any money on top free agents, so forget
getting tight end or wide receiver help. I mean, Mohammed
Sanu is about as risky as they get. So I
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think it's a real choppy place. I think your division's
getting better. I think the AFC's got younger quarterbacks. I
think the game is sort of moving away from him
slightly right now. That's my gut feeling on it. I
like the Tony Gonzales way. Wrap a bow under that,
put it under the tree. Come back next year, open
the present. Like come back in a year and say, gosh,
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I miss the game. It's so much fun. But I'm
glad I'm retired. I like the Jeter way. I like
the Gonzales way. I like the John Elway way much
more than I like the Nameth way, the Achy way,
the Ewing way, the Michael Jordan way. Be sure to
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are bad job pickers, and I tell young people joy
all the time in my business, say no, be patient.
So this is an interesting So a lot of people
are worked up because Eric B. Enemy African American candidates
he has interviewed for Cleveland. But I'm telling you right now,
B Enemy's gonna get offers. I'm not sure I'd take
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the Cleveland job. So so everybody's freaking out today. Eric B.
Enemy is somebody I would look at strongly. Does he
just take the job because it's the first offer. You
and I have been in this business a long time.
It's very important where you go. I think I've said
this to you before, not that you needed advice, but
I've said it to everybody. Don't chase money, chase good management.
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There's a sea of money if you're talented. Okay, there's
a sea of it. You and I know this. We've
had a lot of jobs and we feel lucky now
at management. We've also had bad management. Talented people cannot
overcome bad management. Belichick was fired in Cleveland because you
don't make the final decisions. Doesn't matter how competent or
talented you are rumps by somebody who is not as
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talented or competent, who has more power. That's why in
college football, because you control recruiting. If you're a good coach,
they all succeed, everybody. There's never been a great coach
who fails in college There have been great coaches who
have failed. In the NFL. Pete Carroll has been fired twice.
Saban got fired. He's a great coach. Belichick got fired,
Andy Reid got fired. In the NFL, it's different who
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owns your team. Tony Romo says, this never been a guy.
Go look at the Dynasty's been no bad owners and
no bad defenses. We pay attention to quarterbacks. Tony Romo,
go look at his career. Didn't have a lot of
great defenses, you know, so you start look at Aaron
Rodgers has never really had He had one really good defense.
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Aaron Rodgers won a super Bowl. Okay, Peyton Manning I
thought had one great defense in Indie. He won a
super Bowl. So I look at the I'm not trying
to take a shot at Cleveland, but I look at
these guys. Everybody's freaking out with Eric B. Enemy and
my takeaway is for Josh McDaniels and Eric B. Enemy,
these are talented coaches who are going to get offers.
Think about this. Be patient, is what I'm saying here.
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I've seen this my whole life. Chip Kelly, I love
Chip Kelly. I know Chip Kelly. Why did you take
the UCLA job. That's the second best job in LA.
What are you doing? That's the fourth best football job
in LA? After the Rams, usc the Chargers, then UCLA.
Mike Dunley, he's a friend of mine. He once took
a Clipper job with Donald Sterling. As the owner, and
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I remember thinking, what are you doing? You just got
to the Western Conference finals with Portland. Just take you
got money. You're a smart guy. Take two years off,
you'll get a job. I look at the thing about
one year from now, one year from now in the
NF felt if if Eric b Enemy is patient, and
if Josh McDaniels is patient, because we all know Cleveland
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just fires coaches. In one year, Atlanta great owner and
Matt Ryan could be open, and they're gonna hire an
offensive coach. The enemy is an offensive coach, and Josh
McDaniels is an offensive coach. In one year, if Atlanta
doesn't win, dan Quinn's got a year, they're gonna hire
an offensive coach. You get a great owner and a
great quarterback. That's a great job. Houston in one year,
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Bill O'Brien's quirky, you get Deshaun Watson and great place
to live in Houston and all sorts of skill people.
Belichick could Bolton New England. I mean he's gonna be seventy, right,
so you could have Sam Darnold that Jets roster. Now
they have a legitimate GM, Sam Darnold, Joe Douglas is
a legitimate GM. They got all sorts of players now
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that they don't have players. So I look at this thing.
Now everybody's got you know, we've got a couple of
really good candidates out there. Cleveland is so toxic, so toxic.
I was Josh McDaniels or Eric Biannemy, I would just
not take the job. And I'm not picking on Cleveland.
The facts are the facts. Belichick's the last guy to
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get five years there. I mean, they just and McDaniels
is Remember if Josh, If Josh McDaniels fails, it's over.
He did not take Andrew Luck, which I thought was
a massive mistake. He wanted to draft Tebow, massive mistake.
He takes this gig, he'll make money, but he's a
coordinator for the rest of his life. And Josh McDaniels, again,
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there's some Lane Kiffin here. He wants to be a
head coach. This is not I do not think Cleveland's
a very good job. I would not take this if
I was an elite candidate. This is a little more
strategy to it than it appears. I'll tell you this.
I think the Giants is an underrated job. I don't
know Joe Judge, I think it's a bit of a reach,
But let me tell you the New York Giants job.
You have two very good defensive linemen under twenty five
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Leonard will Dexter Lawrence star running back, appears to be
a very talented quarterback on a rookie deal for three
more years. Gettleman's kind of goofy, but he'll be out
of there in a year if it doesn't work. The
Giants job, to me, is underrated. You got Washington perennially underachieving.
That could be a couple wins a year. They have
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also a number four pick the Giants do, and the
three teams drafting after the Giants all need a quarterback,
so you could leverage that to get multiple ones over
the course of the next three years. I think the
Giants job. This is another reason I'm critical of the Giants.
This Giants job's a good job. It's got a lot
of things you're looking for. Mara's are stable, Daniel Jones
is talented and cheap too, excellent defensive lineman under twenty five,
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a star running back. The old line's not great, but
it's not a total rebuild, and they went and got
Joe Judge like to me, boy oh boy, Joe Judge
in Cleveland, I wouldn't spend a lot of time on
like it's like maybe that's all they can get. Maybe
I'm nuts on this. I think the giant's job now
Gettleman turned some people off. I get it, but he's
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out of there. The bottom line is, if Mike McCarthy
would have taken that job, he had to said getting
Gettleman out of here. Gettleman would have been on the
first subway, you know, out of town. One more Herd.
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negative toward Aaron Rodgers. I am not negative toward Aaron Rodgers.
I think Aaron can be difficult to coach. I think
at times he's arrogant and condescending and not the greatest leader.
But I think he is an all time talent. I
will say it this weekend, and maybe Aaron Rodgers hasn't
been lucky his whole career. He's gotten every break this
year he wanted the coach fired. Boom, he's gone. He
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wanted the team to spend money on defense. Boom they did.
Chicago Detroit imploded in their division. He got home field
and a buy at home and now it's injury ravage
Seattle without their running game, and if Minnesota upsets San Francisco,
they get the Vikings at home and Kirk Cousins in
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the biggest game of Kirk Cousins life. The other thing
is they got to play the AFC West and the
best quarterback, Patrick Mahomes they faced, didn't play. And they
also faced the NFC East, which was the worst division
in football, which allowed them to beat the Giants, and
you know, beat Washington and it beat the Dallas Cowboys.
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They've gotten every break this year, Like the excuses are done.
All they have to do is be injury riddled Seattle,
who now beats Philadelphia flights all the way back to
the Pacific Northwest. Now we'll fly all the way to Milwaukee.
So they lose it. They lose a day traveling and
they're all beat up and they don't have their core strength,
which is their running game, which they along with Baltimore
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and San Francisco have really lived. They have great quarterbacks,
but have lived off that dominating time of possession offense.
Aaron's gotten a lot of breaks also. Green Bay I
think is the healthiest NFC team left and that's some
of its luck now that there have been years. Eron
hasn't been the luckiest quarterback, but boyd they get breaks.
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Beat injury riddled Seattle at home, and then it's potentially
Minnesota and even if you face San Francisco, they humiliated
you last time, which psychologically is at an edge. It's
hard to crush somebody and then face them again and
inspire your troops. Yeah, we rolled them by thirty. They're
really dangerous. That's hard to do. It's much easier to
say we got humiliated, we got revenge. They humiliated us
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on national TV. It's much easier to do that than yeah,
we beat them by thirty. I swear they are really good.
So this is kind of the year for Aaron Rodgers.
This is the opportunity. It has been totally for all
those years you said, Brady, I mean home by Bills, Jets, Dolphins.
It's paved. This year has been paved for the Green
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So I see a trend, Peter, Kyle Shanahan long contract,
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Matt Rule long contract, John Gruden long contract. You know
what it says to me, Peter, It's like, listen, we
want to empower the coach. You're gonna make mistakes. But
we look at New England and we look at how
they have been so formidable, and a lot of it
is the monotony of repetition of the same offense and
the same defense. So if I like what Carolina did,
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even though it's a college coach, what say you? I
like it too, Colin? With just one little proviso. It's
all well and good to give a guy a seven
year contract, But if you go four twelve, four, twelve,
and three and thirteen the first three years, do you
think that Matt Rule is going to be back for
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the fourth year. I don't think so, and I'm not
saying that's going to happen I'm saying that Kyle Shanahan
was whatever he was ten and twenty two his first
two years. Yeah, Well, if Garoppolo plays this year and
they're four and twelve, do you think he's coming back
for year four? He might because Jed Yorke really liked him.
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But I mean, that's it's a good idea to show
all the faith in the world that the Carolina Panthers
and David Tepper are showing in Matt Rule. And I
think he's got a good shot. But I do just
want to throw one slight bit of water on the
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fire here, Colin. You know, I wrote in my column
on Monday that there have been nine college guys, big
college stars hired in this century so far to be
NFL head coaches. I don't include Bill O'Brien and Pete
Carroll here because they were mostly NFL coaches who went
to college football and then came back to the NFL.
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I'm talking about guys who were pretty much exclusively college
coaches and then went to the NFL. And only two
of the nine coaches, okay, had winning records with their
first teams. That's Chip Kelly, who was widely derided as
a failure in Philadelphia and Jim Harbaugh, who obviously was
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a success, but think of those who failed. Nick Saban
fifteen and seventeen in two years, and then he ran
off to Tuscaloosa. So again again. Nick Saban when he
took the Miami job, was absolutely totally all in Wayne Heizenga.
I'm your guy, I'm here. We're gonna build a great team.
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And after two years he went to Wayne Heiazenga and
said I want out. So again. I like it. I
like the faith shown, but that doesn't necessarily mean that
the Panthers are going to be a great team. Yeah,
they got a Cam issue to figure out, and they
got a draft quarterbacks. I think they'll stay with Cam.
It's probably good news for Cam because a new quarterback,
you know, defining one these days is not easy when
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you're you know, you have four or five teams in
front of you that want one. Let's go to the Giants.
I actually think the Giants is a good job. I
don't know if they made the right higher. They have
two good defensive linemen under twenty five, Leonard Williams, Dexter
Lawrence Star running back, good pick they could leverage for
more picks Daniel Jones on a rookie contract. I'm not
a fan of Gettleman, but beat out as it may,
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I think you have solid ownership, Joe Judge to me.
You know I was saying this earlier. Peter New York
puts so much pressure on its owners that I think
sometimes they panic, overspend and overreach. It feels like Matt
Rule was their number one guy got the Carolina job,
and they go, Okay, we gotta get Joe Judge. I
don't know. It feels a little bit like a reach
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to me. Is that fair by me? I think it's fair.
I don't understand there wasn't anybody else who was gonna
hire Joe Judge, so you hire Joe Judge before you
even talk to Josh McDaniels. And again, maybe they would
have picked Joe Judge over Josh McDaniels. Maybe they would
have picked somebody else. I don't know, but I find
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it very odd that the Patriots lose an assistant coach
and it's not Josh McDaniels. Oh. I've been around a lot,
and I happen to think is really really good. But
I think the one other thing to think about with
the Giants right here is that this is not a
bad job. A lot of people are killing the Giants
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over Gettleman and all that other stuff. But I can
tell you the time I spent with Mike McCarthy in
the middle of December in Green Bay. He was extremely
interested in the Giants job. He loves Daniel Jones, and
so I think the Giants still, even though they might
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be hamstrung by Gettleman for a year or two, I
still think that's a good job. Any team that has
a great history and has a long term quarterback, that's
the Giants. You'll figure everything else out. Colin, I still
think that's a good job. I agree. I want to
talk about Tom Brady. So you've had a good relationship
with Tom. He clearly respects you, and he is now
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acknowledging to you, Peter King, that I want to play football.
You know, I would look elsewhere. You know, we never
really heard John Elways say that or Derek Jeter say that, like, yeah,
I'd go and play elsewhere. There was a sense like
I'm going to wrap a bone in it and retire.
It's really interesting because I had somebody this weekend say, listen,
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Gizelle's made a lot of sacrifices, and she's probably not
gonna say let's go to Indy. And that was somebody
that really believes that. It's not the big list you
think where Tom could go, and he's not coming off
a great year, Peter. There's just too many things that
line up here. Though there's so much noise, I do
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give Brady leaving at least a fifty fifty shot. I mean,
I'm just hearing too much. House for sale, Guerrero's house
for sale. It sounds like you think Tom could leave
as well. When I walked out of that room with
him at midnight on Saturday, I thought that there's going
to be at least a fifty fifty chance that he'll leave.
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Look at look at what's going on, Colin. He made
it known to me and to the press after the
game that he wants to play in twenty twenty. He's
very strong about that with me. So he's not retiring.
I mean, unless nobody's interested, he is not retiring. So
now let's look at the options. You got Bill Belichick, who,
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against popular wishes in Cleveland, benched Bernie Kozar, you got,
you got how he handled Drew Bledsoe when he came
back from his jury in two thousand and one, he
kept playing Brady. So he's clearly not afraid to make
a major decision with his quarterback. And look at it
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this way. To Colin and I wrote this, I mean,
you're Bill Belichick, and you know that Tom Brady might
have a year maybe two left, and he might not
even be that good at in those in that period
of time. So you're Belichick and you say, hey, listen,
whether it's Jared Stidham or whether it's the fifth quarterback
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in this draft, you know, maybe we ought to just
start over. However, and I somehow, some way, I get
the feeling that that's gonna be Belichick's call. Finally, you
spend a lot of time with Mike McCarthy recently, and
I think that article helped him his drive toward analytics
and growing. I think that absolutely helped Mike McCarthy. Are
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you surprised Dallas was the landing spot for the former
Packer coach? I think a lot lined up that was
going to be right with him in Dallas. I think
Jerry Jones wants a traditional football coach who he can
just say, okay, the football is handled I'll worry about
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the stadium, I'll worry about all the extra stuff, but
my football team is in a good place with an establishment,
established football coach. In some ways, it's like when he
hired Bill Parcels. You know, he had been he had
had enough of Dave Campo in six and ten, and
he's had enough of Jason Garrett. Quite honestly, even though
he absolutely loves them, because I'm sure he will say,
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I think we underachieved with Jason Garrett. So the fact
that now they have an established establishment football coach, I
think makes all the sense in the world. And the
one other thing I would say, if I'm Dak Prescott,
I'm happy right now because the one thing that Mike
McCarthy is is a mechanics nerd. When I was in
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Green Bay with McCarthy, he queued up a tape of
all the quarterbacks he's coached over the years, going back
to Joe Montana twenty six years ago in Kansas City,
and showing all of the tape of all of these
guys and quite honestly, how their mechanics improved. Not necessarily Montana,
but Aaron Rodgers his first year. He showed me Rogers drop,
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and he showed me Rogers drop him a couple of
years ago. It was totally night and day. And so
I think that is going to be a good thing
for a young quarterback. And believe me, I know Dak
Prescott but only a little bit. And I do know
he wants to be coached. McCarthy oll coach him hard.
By the way, you know, it's fascinating to watch all
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the games this weekend, Absolutely fascinating that, you know, Breeze Brady,
they're getting older and you have all these young quarterbacks.
Now we're taking college concepts. This is sort of vague
and ambiguous, but about a minute left. I don't remember
a time in my life where we had all these exciting,
great quarterbacks, a couple of absolute legends, then Wilson and
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Aaron Rodgers in the middle. I don't remember a time.
And we also have three good prospects in college this year,
two superstar prospects next year. I honestly believe it's the
most talented the quarterback position has ever been in my life.
Even the young guys year two are exceptional. But take
me back seventies eighties, you have a greater sense of that.
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I'm just watching these games this weekend, and I'm like, Lord,
there's talent at this position. Maybe it's all the seven
on seven stuff the last twenty years. They've been taking
snaps since they were nine years old. What do you
make of it? I remember when Phil Simms left the
Giants and the Giants just really muddled around for a
couple three, four, five years, Dave Brown, Danny Cannell. Yeah,
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and there wasn't the inventory coming out of college football
that there is today. Now Eli Manning has done, So
what do they do. They go out and get Daniel Jones,
who was not a popular pick but in his first
year showed a huge amount of promise. And I'll only
make this point Colin. You know, I find it very interesting.
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Has anybody said, in the last three or four years
man the NFL missus Peyton Manning. No, I mean they
miss Peyton Manning because he's a cool personality and all
that stuff. But as a player, I mean, everybody's doing
just fine. And I don't mean everybody, but the most
teams in the league that I remember have promising, good,
fun young quarterbacks and with the proviso Russell Wilson wants
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to play till he's ninety, so even though he's past thirty,
I think you're going to get at least ten more
years out of Russell Wilson. Yeah, and Andrew Luck retired,
we could have another great quarterback right now, moving into
his prime, and that was obvious. See sort of an
outlier move, Peter
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