January 9, 2020 • 40 mins
Colin thinks the Cowboys head coaching job is underrated because jobs are only as good as the QB you're inheriting. He says the gap between Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers careers doesn't really exist. He is tired of people blaming teams for passing on Lamar Jackson because nobody thought he was capable of what he was doing. Plus, former Packers LB Brady Poppinga says he loves Mike McCarthy but sees him being a potential disaster with the Cowboys.
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Good Dave in Taylor is joining us, Joy, how are you?
I'm great. I'm very excited for this weekend. So am I?
So I actually feel like three of the team the
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favorites this weekend San Francisco, Kansas City in Baltimore. The
three favorites that I really like this weekend Seattle Green
Bands a coin flip. I want to start with this though.
Dallas Cowboys have a new head coach. It's Mike McCarthy,
who sort of looked uncomfortable wearing a suit, didn't know
what to do with his hands. But when we think
of Mike McCarthy, we think of Aaron Rodgers, right, because
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it's not that Aaron threw him under the bus, but
Aaron got tired of him. I get it. Sometimes a
coach you're worn out. McCarthy looked like he couldn't coach.
Tossed to the side. You know, Mike took ninety five
percent of the hit. And but Aaron Rodgers yesterday said
he was happy for Mike, his old coach, getting the
Cowboy job. We've had a lot of success down there,
and I know that I think that that was probably
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one of the reasons. You know, we've obviously won Super
Bowl there, but we've won some some big games down
there over the years. So I'm not surprised that, you know,
Jerry had infatuation with Mike, because you know, we've had
some really good I don't know, I thought maybe he
would go somewhere we're in maybe some GM opportunity as well.
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But I'm happy for him, I said, I'm a text
it text back. You know, here's the thing. We look
at the Dallas cowboy job and we say it's kind
of dysfunctional. But ask yourself this, what are the best
jobs in the NFL Organizationally? Pittsburgh Steelers is number one.
They're patient, they draft well, they're top to bottom, they
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do everything well. They treat their employees great. They'll go
after free agents. They never play cheap. They develop players,
they draft them, and they don't fire coaches. They are
They are the most patient franchise. Pittsburgh's number one by
a mile. You know whose second is? There isn't one.
It depends on who your quarterback is. There is no second.
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Best structural organization in the NFL. Green Bay free agents
don't want to play in green Bay. Green Bay doesn't
have an owner. I want my team to have an owner.
I can go to the owner, Robert Kraft and say
get rid of Garoppolo can do that. In green Bay
they don't have an owner. Small market feels collegiate. A
lot of free agents not interested. Well, New England wasn't
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a great organization before Tom Brady arrived. Nobody thought in
the Steve Grogan years it was a great organization. It's
a great organization because Tom Brady showed up. What about
Denver not recently legendary great Pat Bolan passed away. You
don't know what's behind that. They're recycling coaches going through them,
quarterbacks coaches, Elway, a legend could be in trouble. Well,
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what about Kansas City? It's solid, not a lot of championships, stable,
small market, not that attracted to free agents. Well, what's
a great job. The Dallas Cowboy job, or any job
in the NFL not named the Pittsburgh Steelers is as
good as your quarterback ceiling. The Cowboys job is as
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good as Prescott ceiling. Right now, if Andy Reid retired.
Kansas City, it's a great job because of Patrick Mahomes.
It's not a great job because it's Kansas City. You know, Aaron.
Of the eight new coaches in the NFL this year,
one made the playoffs, Matt Lafleur. Why would that be.
He's got Aaron Rodgers. So Dallas is fine. You have
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great resources, they spend money, they never go cheap. Free
agents want to play there. You know, no state tax,
great place to live. They've right now. They've got a
very good offensive line, a star running back, a starwide receiver,
two unbelievably athletic linebackers, a great edge rusher, and Byron Jones.
Can they pay him, I'm not sure, but a top corner.
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It's a great place to live. It's a great organization. Yes,
the owner, we kind of normalize his behavior. He talks
after games. Well, you're not going to have as much
say in personnel. Frankly, not every coach wants to be
in the war room NonStop. A lot of coaches like
the coach. Belichick's an exception. He wants to control everything.
Mike Holmgren try to control everything in Seattle. It didn't work.
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He went back to just coaching and got Seattle to
a Super Bowl. So, you know, we always talk about
the Dallas Cowboys and roll our eyes, but the Steelers
are the best organization. The city is big enough to
be an attractive place for free agents and to live.
They're patient, they draft, they develop, they do everything right,
everything right outside of that, these jobs are as good
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as the quarterback ceiling you have. That's right right now.
The best jobs in the league. I'd love to be
Seattle's coach. I'd love to beat Kansas City's coach. I'd
love to beat Baltimore's coach or Houston's coach. It's not
because of the organizations, because the dude planned quarterback. So
I'm happy for Mike McCarthy if he can get more
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out of Dak Prescott that it's a great job. For
the record, there's twenty great college jobs, maybe twenty five
to thirty great college jobs, you know, anywhere in the
South with all those players. University of Texas, Oklahoma, Wisconsin,
Ohio State. You know, the California schools have a chance
are around good player. He a lot of good college
jobs structurally have an advantage over their opponents. Doesn't work
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that way, Pittsburgh. And that's it. All right, Let's let's
talk about green Bay this weekend. And this is going
to be an epic showdown. This is Russell Wilson in
Seattle against Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. And you know
how I feel about Russell Wilson. He was underdrafted, he's undercovered.
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He's the most underrated quarterback of my lifetime. Steve Young's
probably second. And then there's Aaron Rodgers, who I think
is great, and the perception is Aaron's way up here
and Russell's way down there. But having been a sports
fan for since I was eight years old, so I'm
going on for over four decades of being a sports fan.
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Here's something I've noticed. I would call it the Paul
Bunyan quality. We love the golden arm. In baseball, Greg
maddox is a much better pitcher than Nolan Ryan. Greg
maddox has four cy youngs, Nolan Ryan didn't have any.
Greg maddox eighteen gold gloves. Nolan Ryan didn't have any.
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Maddox has a better win percentage and a better era
than Nolan Ryan. But Nolan Ryan threw one hundred miles
an hour and had some no hitters. So who's the legend.
It's not the better picture, Greg Maddox, It's Nolan Ryan,
the golden Arm. It's the same in football, we fall
in love and look past the flaws of the golden arm.
Joe Namath is the first we did this with. Joe
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Namath has forty seven more interceptions than touchdown passes. He's
still a legend. Dan Marino with Don Shula, with Jimmy
Johnson was sub five hundred in the playoffs, got the
one Super Bowl and lost. John Elway had the golden Arm.
He was blown out in three Super Bulls and then
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played poorly in one of the Super Bowls he won.
Many think he's the greatest ever we overlooked the flaws.
There's Brett Farve, who led the NFL three times in
interceptions and had far more big game gaffs than big
game greatness. And then there's the current golden Arm, Aaron Rodgers,
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who's had one great playoff run and he's stupendous. But
that arm makes us overlook some leadership issues, some arrogance issues,
players calling him out, issues, holds onto the ball too
long issues. If you go look at Russell Wilson and
Aaron Rodgers numbers since Russell came into the league, Russell wins,
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more wins on the road, a lot more wins in
the playoffs, more the passer rating, even passing touchdowns, even
completion percentage mostly dead even, And oh yeah, I like
Russell Wilson's leadership and scrambling ability. But the gap in
perception is Rogers up here and Russell Wilson way down here.
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It's the Greg Maddox Nolan Ryan, it's the Dan Marino, Farv,
Nameth Elway, by the way, spectacularly gifted players. But in
my lifetime, if you've got in your era, in your decade,
if you've got the arm. First it was Nameth had
the arm, and then it was Marino and Elway, and
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then it's Farv and now it's Rogers. Now for the
next ten years, it's gonna be Patrick Mahomes and we'll
gloss over some of his flaws, you know, because it
is so pretty to watch. I think it's a huge
game this weekend for Aaron Rodgers because I think he
and Russell Wilson are largely the same quarterback since Russell
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entered the league. That's just not perception. And Aaron talked
about how much the game matters and how much the
last four to five years of his career are going
to matter. It's on my mind every day. I mean,
that's why we play the game. That's why you put
in the time in the off season. It's why you
do little things. It's to put yourself in this position
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where we're two games away from being able to compete
for that. So, I mean, I'm thirty six, I know
what this is all about. This is an important opportunity
for us. I feel like I got a lot of
really good years left, but you never know. Good stuff
can't wait for the game. Green Bay hosting the Seattle Seahawks.
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FS one and the iHeartRadio app. So yesterday, Larry David
created Seinfeld with Jerry Seinfeld, Curb Your Enthusiasm, very very
funny shows, iconic shows. He loves sports. Just a short
story years ago, I was invited to a dinner right
across the street from where I'm sitting, and Larry David
showed up because he's friends with Charissa Thompson, who works
at the network. They were buddies and Larry's very funny,
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and he sat next to me and I was joking.
He kept saying, I think I can be coordinator for
the Jets, and I'm like, Larry, you cannot be offensive.
Coordinator is a language in the NFL. You don't speak
the language. It would take years and years. He's like, no,
I'm dead serious, I could be offensive coordinator for the Jets. Well,
Larry's very obsessive. He's very funny, he's very smart, and
he really believes it. Well. Apparently he was on the
Michael K Show, Good Guy, New York Yankee announcer a
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good dude in New York, and Larry David talked about
he loved Lamar Jackson and he called the Jets general
manager in the last draft and said this. I did
call Mike mcagnan before the twenty eighteen draft and I
recommended that he draft Lamar Jackson. I have a witness. Really, yes,
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I have a witness. And what did he say to
you when you said that? He kind of gave me
the most condescend he really wow? So you told him that, Yeah,
I told him that. He kind of he left him.
But who can blame him? Nobody thought Jackson for the
Ravens well time out, not even the Ravens. The Ravens
passed on Lamar the first time they had a chance
to draft him and allowed Incinnati, their arrival, a shot
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to get him. So it's been a shocking, shocking development.
Even last year, Lamar played seven games, he barely passed
for a thousand yards. He only passed for over two
hundred yards once he completed like fifty eight percent of
his throws. He was interesting, he was fascinating. Nobody predicted this. No,
the Ravens didn't predict this. This is my least favorite
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quality of the media, My least favorite quality. Two words.
Revisionist history, Folks, Lamar Jackson, Let's not feel sympathy. He
got drafted in the first round in a very heavy
quarterback draft. If you want to feel sympathy, feel sympathy
for Russell Wilson, who went in the third round. Russell
Wilson went to Wisconsin. He didn't have a great offensive
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coach like Lamar did. In college. He completed seventy three
percent of his throws, thirty three touchdowns, four picks, Rose
Bowl at running conservative Wisconsin. Nobody drafted him first two rounds.
Didn't make a Nickel Seattle DJ's made more than Russell
Wilson until a year ago. Okay, Lamar Jackson, revisionist history.
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In the worst conference by far in college football, the ACC.
Because usually the ACC Florida State's good, now they're crap,
Miami's good now they're crap. Virginia Tech top ten no
longer are. It's Clemson and awfulness, and we in that
conference with Bobby Petrino, one of the two or three
sharpest offensive guys now that Urban Myers retired, maybe the
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smartest offensive guy in college football Top two or three.
Lamar completed fifty four, fifty six and fifty nine percent
of his throws in a horrible conference with a brilliant
offensive mine and he's still went in the first round.
Of course, there were reservations. I mean I said it before,
I called him a project. I think he's gonna work
in this league. But man, fifty four, fifty six, fifty
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nine percent in the awful acc Of course, people add questions.
The Ravens add questions. Lance Zerline, whose dad was a
coach in the NFL, is a scout who have a
great deal of respect for. We bring him on the
show once or twice a year. Here's what he said,
and this is what I was in the Chargers war
room the year of the Lamar Jackson draft. This is
largely how the Chargers felt his evaluation was. Evaluating Lamar
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against NFL standards for the position will cause him to
come up short. However, he has rare speed and athleticism
and can single handedly win games. Jackson may need to
operate in an offense ready to integrate RPOs along with
heavy play action has star potential. That's what everybody thought,
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but potential. Nobody predicted this. We didn't see this last year.
And what have the Ravens done. They have drafted him,
and instead of the Michael vic career arc, which is
people kind of Michael, you can run and stuff, but
we want you to be this, Baltimore said, Hey, we're
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gonna build an offense specifically tailored to all your strengths.
You put him in Cincinnati and a coach pushes back
on the running stuff. We may not see Lamar Jackson MVP.
We just see Lamar Jackson making cool plays once in
a while. So the revisionist history on this is laughable
by the media. In the last twenty five years in
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the NFL, you can't find another college quarterback that couldn't
complete sixty percent of his throws in a bad conference
with a great offensive coach that became an MVP candidate.
It doesn't exist. There's usually are usually a baseline in
the NFL. You've got to complete sixty to sixty one
percent of your college throws if you're going to go
to the NFL. I think Matt Stafford was right on
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the line and be great. So I mean, I'm happy
for Lamar. I think it lasts. I do you know,
people say he's gonna get hurt. My takeaway as will
show me he never gets hurt, didn't get hurt in college,
didn't get hurt in a prose. Show me the hurt part,
because I'm not seeing the hurt part. You know RG
three a year in. I saw the hurt part. I
think RG three got banged up in college too, But
Lamar doesn't get banged up. But the revisionist history on
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this stuff is absurd. Lamar's great, He's a great story.
I hope at last, I think it will, but there
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Francisco off there By this year had huge blowout wins
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Green Bay off there By this year got blown out.
So I don't I don't know. And this is not
a knock on Matt Lafleur. How good of a coach
is he because I look at the playoffs last year,
the year before, the year before, the best coaches are winning.
I got Andy Reid, I got Shanahan, I got Pete Carroll,
I got Mike Zimmer, I got John Harbaugh. I don't
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think Matt Lafloor. I don't think he matches up to
those guys. It's not that a Green Bay's not good,
It's just I think I always judge coaches off off
like extra time, Nick Saban, Dabo Sweeney, Belichick, Pete Carroll
and he read Sean Payton off bys John Harbaugh are
great off of by Matt Lafleur got blown out. Tennessee's
offense is better since he left. And I look at
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all these coaches left. I could make an argument Matt
Lafleur is certainly the least experienced and the least talented
coach left. So I you know, is he better than
Bill O'Brien. I don't know. Is he better than Mike Rabel.
I don't think so. Not what I've seen. Tennessee got
better when he left offensively, So I don't know what
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to make a Green Bay. I guess I take him
at home off a buy because they're super Healthy one
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Brady Pepin of the former Packer now joining us, brought
to you by Mercedes Bends the Best or Nothing. Let's
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bring him on a Super Bowl champ Five years under
Mike McCarthy and Green Bay. So I'm watching that press conference, Jesser,
Mike McCarthy looks odd in a suit. I will say
that you liked him, know a lot five years I
did like him. Why'd you like him? Well? I liked
it because first foremost he was personable. He was also structured,
where he had a discipline arian element to him. So
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it was like this nice little combination of he could,
you know, lay down the hammer, but then at the
same time he could be personable and kind of just
like shoot the breeze with you. So you had that
element of him to where he could be he's approachable
and things of that nature. And I also like the
fact that he was adaptable because, like we talked about
this before, when he first got there, he was like
a dictator, like this is what we're gonna do like
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Tom Coughlin, Like Tom Coughlin. And then over time when
we started six to two, he basically said, Okay, we're
gonna have to change it up. I need the player's
input here because this is a player's game. That's what
he always tell us. And then ultimately he's just an
overall good guy. You know, he really has his the
best intentions to go out there and help now the
Dallas Cowboys succeed and ultimately achieve what they want. Now,
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there are reports that he wanted more personnel control in
Green Bay and he strug Ted Thompson, he didn't think
went out and helped him defensively. They had to win
by shootouts all the time. Yeah, are you surprised? Even
Aaron noted I thought he would want a little more
GM control. Does that surpriseec because I always sensed a
guy that liked personnel decision power? Yeah? Well, I would
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say this with McCarthy. There was a time where he
didn't care. He just would take whoever Ted gave him,
and it was working out for us great. But then
there came a time and we talked about this also
on the show, where Ted basically made the shift and
the philosophy of the team where hey, we're gonna go
more offensive oriented. We're not gonna, you know, mess with
the defensive aside much. We're gonna just try to outscore teams. Yeah,
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you know, obviously there was a time there too where
they just they were just drafting and developing guys. Every
single year was like starting over, and Mike got tired
of that ultimately too, when Ted kind of got to
the end of his tenor there, and then you had
other guys involved in the personnel decisions. I do believe
Mike felt like he was more qualified to evaluate talent
to bring in personnel than the guy as that were
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in place pulling the string. So I believe that was
more of it. But I mean, come on, now, he's
going to Dallas. He's not gonna have much says and
that's why this it could it could make sense. But
I'm telling you right now, principally this is probably going
to be a disaster in Dallas. Whoa, because here's the thing.
You gotta remember this, And this is what's so interest
interesting about this is it's really a contradict a contradiction
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because Jerry Jones says, hey, I want an experienced coach.
I just don't want a rookie, first year coach. But
guess what, ladies and gentleman, that's exactly what they got
with McCarthy because McCarthy has never been a head coach
in a situation where somebody's looking over his shoulder to
where he doesn't have full autonomy on playtime, who's going
to start? Because that's exactly how it was in the
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Green Bay Packers. And he liked it more and more.
He liked it well, he loved that, like Ted Ted
always said it. He Ted said, hey, I'll acquire the players,
will play, it will pay them their market value. But
after that it's up to the coaches if they play,
if they don't play. Because I guarantee you if Jerry
Jones invest in a player like Ezekiellt, you know, like
you did last year with Ezekiellett, and all of a sudden,
McCarthy finds another runt. Let's say, Paulard just fits in
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better with what McCarthy wants to do. Who's you know,
the draft pick there they don't have as much invested in,
and all of a sudden, you see Ezekiel snaps decreasing
I Guarrittee. You. Mike McCarthy's gonna get a call from
Jerry Jones saying, Hey, what's going on. I just bade
this guy X amount of dollars fifty million guaranteed he
needs to be on the field. McCarthy's gonna be like, whoa,
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I've never had to deal with this before. What do
I do? Because he never had to deal with that.
So the ironic part of this whole thing is McCarthy
has never been in this situation. So in fact, Jerry
Jones got a coach that's inexperienced dealing with an owner
that is going to be so involved in football operations
like Jerry Jones is. So you had playoff games in
Green Bay. The difference between regular season and playoff games
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at Lambeau just take our audience to the different preparation,
the intensity, the way you you feel and send as
a player. Well, I remember the Division round we played
the Saala Seahawks and it was but the twenty seventh season,
and you just ran out of that tunnel into Lambeau Field.
It was so palpable, tangible, the energy just to the
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fans and it just right now, it's bringing chills down
my spine. Man, it is an unbelievable experience because that's
what the Packer fans live for. Heck, that's what every
fan base lives for. Packer fans, though, are just a
little bit different. They're special because they are so invested
in the team. You talk about them being shareholders. And
then ultimately when they go to the game, Packer fans
don't go to the game because it's a spectacle. They
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go to the game because they literally believe that they
can have an influence on the outcome of The games
are dangerous and that makes them so fun. And so
when you go to a playoff setting in lambeau Field,
you know that everything has been heightened, the energy, the
expectancy of feel pressure. I felt good, pressure, Like this
is what we all want, this is what we're here for,
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and let's go do it. And I'm gonna tell you,
I mean, when you're in playoff football and you know
that if you don't go out and make a tackle,
don't go out and you know, do certain things. And
the New York Giants game kind of pops in my
head because that a fumble at the end of the
game that popped right into my chest and it was
so flipping cold. I jumped onto the ball, popped out
like wet soup. And then Dave Pullif said for the
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New York Giants, I never forget him because he was
with the Packers, jumped out and recovered, and I would
have won us the game. So it's kind of like
you have to go out and execute almost perfect. You
have to take advantage of every opportunity because it literally
could lead to if you don't being eliminated, not being
you know, in play the following week. I think Aaron
Rodgers and Russell Wilson are about the same quarterback. You
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disagree strongly with me. I just don't get it like
Russell Wilson. I have never seen anybody that is so
propped up to where everybody wants to see him beat
this elite quarterback. And again, he's a good guy. I
love Russell Wilson. I think he's phenomenal. I love how
he is so humble and spiritual and all those kinds
of things. I just look at him as a football
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player and he still is a function of his surroundings.
He's not a guy that can go out there and
basically say, okay, I have no running game. My defense
is Brando Bendo break but mostly a break defense and
still cover up all those weaknesses. I don't He's not
at that point right now. Now that can change, you know,
he could go. Would you ever face him? If I think, yeah,
I did actually face him twice, how would you do
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check that I did it? Because I was with the
Rams and I faced to various Jackson, So you've never
faced it. I've never faced for Okay, that's like saying
Whodini's overrated, but you never saw a show. Well. The
bottom line though, is I've seen the guy enough when
he plays, and I've seen how he reacts when all
of a sudden everything comes on him, and I haven't
seen him raise his game, especially in big time playoff games,
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at the point where he says, oh, fine, well I'm
taking over offensive line. You're struggling protecting me. Fine, I'm
gonna get the ball out quicker, we're gonna check to
some quick game stuff, or I'm just gonna take over
that kind of I haven't seen that yet, that kind
of that kind of point. Here's what would worry me
about if I'm Green Bay. I don't love our offensive line.
I think I have said this for years. The Packers
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in Wisconsin always have good at on lines. I'm shocked
right now. I don't think the Packers online is that great.
For the first time in ten years, I look at
him and I'm like, I saw him get overpowered by
San Francisco. I saw him get overpowered by the Chargers.
I saw him get pushed around by the Eagles. Those
are good defensive fronts. I think the Packers on line
is if you start looking at Baltimore's defensive front, Kansas City, Seattle,
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Minnesota seattles as much. But yeah, I give your goal
with this. You like, what worries you about the Packers
a minute left? What worries you about him? Inconsistencies I'll
never forget. I went to the Washington Redskins game and
I saw them control, dominate the first quarter, and then
after that it was a crapshoot. Is what kind of
team was going to go out onto the field and
play a team that could execute at a high level
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consistently or a team that was going to go out
there and kind of fumble around? And what is not,
by the way, a loss of focus? That's all it is.
Not coaching, well, no coaching is part of it. Because
coach coaches are meant to keep teams focus, keep teams engaged.
Leadership has to jump in. But I'll tell you what.
The last two games to follow up the season, the
Packers played, in my opinion, two of their best games
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and two very challenging situations, one against Minnesota in Minnesota
and then at the trade game. Don't discount playing against
the team that has nothing to lose with you having
everything to lose. Brady popinga great see and you, Brady,
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iHeart Radio app. Bucky Brooks, a former NFL defensive back
scout helped build the Seahawks and the Panthers playoff rosters,
is joining us NFL Network as well. I said to you,
we're talking. I said, okay, there's four favorites at home.
Seattle's favored, you know, Kansas City's favorite over Houston, Baltimore's
favorite over Tennessee. San Francisco's favorite over Minnesota. I said,
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if there's one underdog, because we're gonna have an upset.
This weekend, we are I said, give me the Ups
and the Minnesota Vikings. I would be really, really cautious
if I'm to San Francisco forty nine is approaching the
Minnesota Vikings because they are a very talented team. They're
a team that has a super Bowl caliber roster. They
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can win on defense because they have Hunters upfront, Danil Hunter,
Everson Griffin. Their linebacker corps is outstanding with bar Eric Kendricks,
and then offensively, their ability to control the game with
the run while also being able to attack and generate
points and the passing game off play action to thelan
and digs. They could give the San Francisco forty nine
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Ers problems also because their experienced. They've been in the playoffs.
Two years ago they win teams they went to the
championship game. The San Francisco forty nine Ers haven't been
to the playoffs in a while, and even though they
have some individuals who have played, the entire team has
not been there. So when you play a playoff game one,
you have to get used to the speed in the
intensity of the game being much faster, it's a more
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physical affair. It is one where the kind of winner,
go home mentality brings a different level of urgency, and
sometimes it takes a while for young players to adjust
to that. And so if this game is tight going
into the third quarter and fourth quarter, you just wonder
do they have the wherever though to hid of the
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pressure that comes along with it. And then also you
have the Jimmy garoppolo factor, how is he going to
perform in his first playoffs start the game speeds up,
Canny settle in really really early to kind of play
like he played in the regular season. I think this
is a game where Kyle Shanahan's opening script the first
fifteen plays. He has to get his quarterback settled and
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comfortable really really early so he can play like the
Jimmy g that we've seen. Green Bay's Seattle just because
the line Fox bat is minus four, so that's a
kind of a field goal game. I don't think Green
Bay's offensive line. I think by I think they've done
a very good job developing and drafting offensive lineman, but
I don't love their old line this year. Sometimes they
don't get the push. I think they were overwhelmed by
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the Niners defensive front the Chargers defensive front at times
the Eagles defensive front. Those were good defensive fronts, and
Seattle is a great run stopping team, not much of
a pass rush team. I worry about green Bay because
off there by they were blown out Kansas City, San Francisco,
Baltimore off a blah by blue out teams. I don't
know if Matt Lafleur is great. I have concerns about
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Green Bay. They're thirteen and three and they don't have
a really impressive win since September fifteenth, beating the Vikings. Yeah. Know,
it's a tough team. This is what I'm worried about
with the green Bay Packers. Then it comes down to
two words, commitment and trust. Will Matt Lafleur be committed
to running the ball? The team has been built to
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run the ball, to play complimentary football. The defense has
played well by generating turnovers and they've been able to
win using that formula. Canny. Commit to running the ball,
and will Aaron Rodgers trust Matt Lafleur to stick to
the game plan. What typically has happened in the past
for the green Bay Packers, Aaron Rodgers has had to
do everything. He has had to be the magician. He
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has had to kind of do herculean type stuff to
get them to advance. This year, he hasn't had to
play like that, and they've won and the playoff game.
Is he patient enough to stick to the script if
the game starts out slow, or do they get to
a point where he throws it forty to forty five times?
If the Packers are winning, they're playing the right way.
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I think his past attempts are probably between thirty to
thirty five. If he gets north of that, the Green
Bay Packers are not playing the way they want to play,
and I think it makes them susceptible to lose to
a Seattle Seahawk team that is used to being in
this environment. Remember they play more one score games than
anybody this year. Seattle's in tight games all the time,
tight games all the time. And so if I'm Pete
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the way, I'm thinking, I want to slow this game down.
I want to run it. I want to drain the
play clock. I want to make this a fourth quarter game.
I want to get to the point where we're within
one score in the fourth quarter and then we play
fifteen minutes to win it all. If they get the
game to that, but no pressure by the way House money,
Green Bay, big favorite, sposed to win, and it's hard
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sometimes to win at home because the anxiousness and the
anxiety from your home fans thinking, oh my gosh, we're
the favorite, we're supposed to win, it seeps into the sideline.
So everything that you want to do if you're Pete
Carroll and the underdog, you want to keep this game
as tight as long as you can, to get into
the fourth quarter and see if the Packers can hold
up against the pressure. Okay, I'm gonna ask you to
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be kind of the general manager here on two questions.
So let's start with Brady. You're a team, You're the Chargers,
You're Carol line up. You can't get the quarterback you
love in the draft. And here's Tom Brady, he's available.
Here's Teddy Bridgewater, he's available. So we know Teddy and
Tom can play. Tom's got the greater resume, Teddy's much older, younger.
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Tell me, if you were a general role manager, would
you be at all interested in Tom Brady? Man, it's
really hard because Colin last year he fell off the cliff.
And I know we can make every excuse about the
supporting cast and those things. But in looking at the table,
we saw things from Tom that we had never seen. Typically,
if Tom had an open layup, he always knocked down
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the layup. If he had an open range jumper, he
always knocked it down. This year, more than most, we
saw him miss things that he had never missed. Against
the Blitz, where Tom has been surgical for the last
three years, he fell off a cliff passer rating of
sixty seven point eight. Completion percentage was right around thirty seven.
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That's not what he normally has done to three years.
Prior of that, his completion rate was over fifty. What
about gros and a grong factor. I mean, like, obviously
he didn't have the most talented supporting cast around him,
but from watching him play, he wasn't on the mark.
So now kind of forty three ye old quarterback turn
it around. We've never seen a quarterback this age play.
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We talk about George Blanda, but outside of that, we've
never seen a forty plus quarterback play at a high
level and kind of rejuvenated. I just don't know if
Tom can bring it back. If he goes to a situation, man,
it has to be a ready made situation where he
can kind of do the Peyton Manning thing where his mind,
his leadership ability, those things are the best assets that
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he brings to the team and that he shows the
team how to be a professional, how to be a champion.
I just don't know on his talent a loan, if
he can upgrade a squad, I think that's totally fair.
Let me ask you about this. So I've bounced around
the country and I've started over like four times. And
when you start over, you know, I tell my wife
this next nine months to a year, I mean it's
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gonna be I am a laser on the job because
you're rebuilding stuff. What I can't have is drama because
that will just it just punctures your momentum when you
start a new job. So Matt Rule's gonna get the
job here in Carolina, and he's an aggressive guy with
an aggressive owner, and they've got the seven pick. They
don't have to give up multiple number ones to move
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to three to potentially get their quarterback. I would move. Now.
Listen to his reaction because he knew when he got
the job and he flew there he was going to
be asked about cam. He not had dumb guys he's
on the private jet. Like, first question is gonna be
about Cam. So here is Matt Rule's answer on Cam
in the future. I had a chance to talk to
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Cam yesterday and I have the utmost respect for him
and what he's done, and I love the way he
talked to me. To be quite honest, he didn't want
he didn't want to talk about the past. He wanted
to talk about the future and so. But other than that, I,
you know, I would rather much rather talk to those
guys and kind of get a feel for not just
Cam but all the players in the roster and really
have a good process moving forward for the entire roster. Okay,
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so it's non committal. Knew it was coming. My argument
is if his quarterback was Mahome, Rogers, Russell Lamar, Matt Ryan,
seven eight guys, he'd be like ready to go. Instead
it was well, I'd let me you know, I don't
want to commit it. My takeaway is this, when you
start a new job, if you retain Cam, it's gonna
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be twelve months of Cam questions. That's a lot of
drama for a new guy. I run the Panthers, I
make picks, I get to the number two picks. Washington's
not taking a quarterback. I get to the number two pick. Yeah,
I mean no, no, no, You're not nuts. I look.
I love mad Rule. I love what he's been able
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to do at Temple then at Baylor. He understands how
to turn around a program. He has a very clear
vision for how he wants his teams to play. He
believes in toughness. He has a level of adaptability where
he will take the best system to put his players
in to enable them to win. I think what he
did was brilliant in terms of being noncommittal. He didn't say, hey,
Cam is out, he didn't say Cam is in. I
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think what he wants to do is really look at
Cam Newton and what Cam Newton has been the last
couple of years when he's been on the field unhealthy,
and then assess what is coming in the draft this
year and next year. Everyone wants to move off of
Cam because Cam is making nineteen million dollars. But when
you really look at the nineteen million dollars cap number
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compared to what Jared Golf is making at thirty five,
compared to what Russell Wilson is making, it's really a
very very affordable number. Yeah, if he does nothing and
just keeps Cam for a year while drafting his quarterback,
he could very well do what Kansas City did with
Alex Smith and Pat Mahomes. Just because Cam is on
the roster, it doesn't prohibit the Carolina Panthers for finding
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their quarterback of the future. I think he wants to
give himself every option until he absolutely has to make
a decision, and he really doesn't have to make a
decision into very very late in the process. By the way,
Mike McCarthy pressure with the Dallas Cowboys, you make anything
of it. Look, man, I like Mac McCarthy with the
Dallas Cowboys, and I think he has been underrated and
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I really think he's been disrespected in terms of what
he is as a coach. The success that he had
with the Green Bay Packers. Look prior to the wheels
falling off at the end, he's one of the top coaches.
It was Belichick, Tomlin, Mike McCarthy. Those three were the
most winning during that span. He's won a Super Bowl,
He's won double digit wins multiple occasions, and he did
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it with now ever having a top running back. Yeah,
but it should be noted he didn't have many great
defenses either. No, so he did it with that. And
I think what people need to realize because we've heard
a lot about Aaron Rodgers being a transcendent talent, but
I think people forget when Aaron Rodgers came in the
league those first two preseasons, the Green Bay Packers didn't
know if he could play. Mike McCartney did a lot
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of groundwork with his quarterback school to Bill Rogers up
to being the player that we respect and see is
one of the best in NFL history. He understands how
to develop quarterbacks. He also understands and has an affinity
for the running game. We were together when I was
a player in Kansas City. He understands how to play
smash of football. He will be fine in Dallas. He
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is ready for the job. It's interesting when you take
a year off from somebody. Somebody gets fired and the
optics are bad, and you know, it's like art, we
appreciate it more. You know, the artist dies and ten
years later the painting's worth more. Yes, And I think
with Mike McCarthy, time away from the sport did him well.
He kind of got thrown. I'm not blaming Aaron Rodgers.
But he was made out to be the incompetent, you know,
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not progressive, and it's like and then he used all
the right keywords. I listen, I've been studying analytics. In
the end, his resume is pretty darn impressive. His resume
is very impressive. The people that he's worked done there,
the stuff that he has done, and you know, really, yes,
I know him. Look, he was together in Kansas City
and anyone who has played under Marty Schoenheimer coached and
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Marty Schodheimer. The one thing that you value is the ball.
When you look at the turnover rates, the Green Bay
Packers rarely turned the ball over. What do you think
Aaron Rodgers got the affinity for not turning the ball over?
Mike McCarthy, Because when you turn the ball over, the
odds go through the roof that you're going to lose
the game. So he's going to retain possession. So some
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of the slippiness that you've seen from the Cowboys in
the past, he'll eliminate that. They'll play clean football, he
will run the ball, he will find a way to
use multiple tight ends, so they have to upgrade the
tight ends. But this Dallas team. He'll take what they
were and just enhance it and tweak it, and they'll
play really good football. I think he is going to
make them a really, really dominant team in time. And
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I think he's going to do one is for the quarterback.
The quarterback will continue to improve, he will get better,
but the team will be run through the running back,
something that we've never seen him have the luxury of
having a big time All star running back. Here's the
Jones family. Have you ever met Charlotte, By the way,
I have not sharp as a tack. The kids are
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all smart. Looks premier franchise. I also think his experience,
McCarthy's experience in Green Bay, it won't be too big
for him. All the stuff going around with Jerry and
the brand and America's team. He'll keep the main thing,
the main thing. He'll focus on the product on the field.
You will see a much better version of the Jealous
Cowboys going forward. Bucky good seeing man. Thanks
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So Greg co Sell, it's gonna break them all down.
Good Dave in Taylor is joining us, Joy, how are you?
I'm great. I'm very excited for this weekend. So am I?
So I actually feel like three of the team the
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favorites this weekend San Francisco, Kansas City in Baltimore. The
three favorites that I really like this weekend Seattle Green
Bands a coin flip. I want to start with this though.
Dallas Cowboys have a new head coach. It's Mike McCarthy,
who sort of looked uncomfortable wearing a suit, didn't know
what to do with his hands. But when we think
of Mike McCarthy, we think of Aaron Rodgers, right, because
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it's not that Aaron threw him under the bus, but
Aaron got tired of him. I get it. Sometimes a
coach you're worn out. McCarthy looked like he couldn't coach.
Tossed to the side. You know, Mike took ninety five
percent of the hit. And but Aaron Rodgers yesterday said
he was happy for Mike, his old coach, getting the
Cowboy job. We've had a lot of success down there,
and I know that I think that that was probably
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one of the reasons. You know, we've obviously won Super
Bowl there, but we've won some some big games down
there over the years. So I'm not surprised that, you know,
Jerry had infatuation with Mike, because you know, we've had
some really good I don't know, I thought maybe he
would go somewhere we're in maybe some GM opportunity as well.
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But I'm happy for him, I said, I'm a text
it text back. You know, here's the thing. We look
at the Dallas cowboy job and we say it's kind
of dysfunctional. But ask yourself this, what are the best
jobs in the NFL Organizationally? Pittsburgh Steelers is number one.
They're patient, they draft well, they're top to bottom, they
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do everything well. They treat their employees great. They'll go
after free agents. They never play cheap. They develop players,
they draft them, and they don't fire coaches. They are
They are the most patient franchise. Pittsburgh's number one by
a mile. You know whose second is? There isn't one.
It depends on who your quarterback is. There is no second.
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Best structural organization in the NFL. Green Bay free agents
don't want to play in green Bay. Green Bay doesn't
have an owner. I want my team to have an owner.
I can go to the owner, Robert Kraft and say
get rid of Garoppolo can do that. In green Bay
they don't have an owner. Small market feels collegiate. A
lot of free agents not interested. Well, New England wasn't
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a great organization before Tom Brady arrived. Nobody thought in
the Steve Grogan years it was a great organization. It's
a great organization because Tom Brady showed up. What about
Denver not recently legendary great Pat Bolan passed away. You
don't know what's behind that. They're recycling coaches going through them,
quarterbacks coaches, Elway, a legend could be in trouble. Well,
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what about Kansas City? It's solid, not a lot of championships, stable,
small market, not that attracted to free agents. Well, what's
a great job. The Dallas Cowboy job, or any job
in the NFL not named the Pittsburgh Steelers is as
good as your quarterback ceiling. The Cowboys job is as
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good as Prescott ceiling. Right now, if Andy Reid retired.
Kansas City, it's a great job because of Patrick Mahomes.
It's not a great job because it's Kansas City. You know, Aaron.
Of the eight new coaches in the NFL this year,
one made the playoffs, Matt Lafleur. Why would that be.
He's got Aaron Rodgers. So Dallas is fine. You have
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great resources, they spend money, they never go cheap. Free
agents want to play there. You know, no state tax,
great place to live. They've right now. They've got a
very good offensive line, a star running back, a starwide receiver,
two unbelievably athletic linebackers, a great edge rusher, and Byron Jones.
Can they pay him, I'm not sure, but a top corner.
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It's a great place to live. It's a great organization. Yes,
the owner, we kind of normalize his behavior. He talks
after games. Well, you're not going to have as much
say in personnel. Frankly, not every coach wants to be
in the war room NonStop. A lot of coaches like
the coach. Belichick's an exception. He wants to control everything.
Mike Holmgren try to control everything in Seattle. It didn't work.
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He went back to just coaching and got Seattle to
a Super Bowl. So, you know, we always talk about
the Dallas Cowboys and roll our eyes, but the Steelers
are the best organization. The city is big enough to
be an attractive place for free agents and to live.
They're patient, they draft, they develop, they do everything right,
everything right outside of that, these jobs are as good
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as the quarterback ceiling you have. That's right right now.
The best jobs in the league. I'd love to be
Seattle's coach. I'd love to beat Kansas City's coach. I'd
love to beat Baltimore's coach or Houston's coach. It's not
because of the organizations, because the dude planned quarterback. So
I'm happy for Mike McCarthy if he can get more
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out of Dak Prescott that it's a great job. For
the record, there's twenty great college jobs, maybe twenty five
to thirty great college jobs, you know, anywhere in the
South with all those players. University of Texas, Oklahoma, Wisconsin,
Ohio State. You know, the California schools have a chance
are around good player. He a lot of good college
jobs structurally have an advantage over their opponents. Doesn't work
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that way, Pittsburgh. And that's it. All right, Let's let's
talk about green Bay this weekend. And this is going
to be an epic showdown. This is Russell Wilson in
Seattle against Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. And you know
how I feel about Russell Wilson. He was underdrafted, he's undercovered.
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He's the most underrated quarterback of my lifetime. Steve Young's
probably second. And then there's Aaron Rodgers, who I think
is great, and the perception is Aaron's way up here
and Russell's way down there. But having been a sports
fan for since I was eight years old, so I'm
going on for over four decades of being a sports fan.
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Here's something I've noticed. I would call it the Paul
Bunyan quality. We love the golden arm. In baseball, Greg
maddox is a much better pitcher than Nolan Ryan. Greg
maddox has four cy youngs, Nolan Ryan didn't have any.
Greg maddox eighteen gold gloves. Nolan Ryan didn't have any.
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Maddox has a better win percentage and a better era
than Nolan Ryan. But Nolan Ryan threw one hundred miles
an hour and had some no hitters. So who's the legend.
It's not the better picture, Greg Maddox, It's Nolan Ryan,
the golden Arm. It's the same in football, we fall
in love and look past the flaws of the golden arm.
Joe Namath is the first we did this with. Joe
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Namath has forty seven more interceptions than touchdown passes. He's
still a legend. Dan Marino with Don Shula, with Jimmy
Johnson was sub five hundred in the playoffs, got the
one Super Bowl and lost. John Elway had the golden Arm.
He was blown out in three Super Bulls and then
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played poorly in one of the Super Bowls he won.
Many think he's the greatest ever we overlooked the flaws.
There's Brett Farve, who led the NFL three times in
interceptions and had far more big game gaffs than big
game greatness. And then there's the current golden Arm, Aaron Rodgers,
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who's had one great playoff run and he's stupendous. But
that arm makes us overlook some leadership issues, some arrogance issues,
players calling him out, issues, holds onto the ball too
long issues. If you go look at Russell Wilson and
Aaron Rodgers numbers since Russell came into the league, Russell wins,
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more wins on the road, a lot more wins in
the playoffs, more the passer rating, even passing touchdowns, even
completion percentage mostly dead even, And oh yeah, I like
Russell Wilson's leadership and scrambling ability. But the gap in
perception is Rogers up here and Russell Wilson way down here.
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It's the Greg Maddox Nolan Ryan, it's the Dan Marino, Farv,
Nameth Elway, by the way, spectacularly gifted players. But in
my lifetime, if you've got in your era, in your decade,
if you've got the arm. First it was Nameth had
the arm, and then it was Marino and Elway, and
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then it's Farv and now it's Rogers. Now for the
next ten years, it's gonna be Patrick Mahomes and we'll
gloss over some of his flaws, you know, because it
is so pretty to watch. I think it's a huge
game this weekend for Aaron Rodgers because I think he
and Russell Wilson are largely the same quarterback since Russell
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entered the league. That's just not perception. And Aaron talked
about how much the game matters and how much the
last four to five years of his career are going
to matter. It's on my mind every day. I mean,
that's why we play the game. That's why you put
in the time in the off season. It's why you
do little things. It's to put yourself in this position
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where we're two games away from being able to compete
for that. So, I mean, I'm thirty six, I know
what this is all about. This is an important opportunity
for us. I feel like I got a lot of
really good years left, but you never know. Good stuff
can't wait for the game. Green Bay hosting the Seattle Seahawks.
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FS one and the iHeartRadio app. So yesterday, Larry David
created Seinfeld with Jerry Seinfeld, Curb Your Enthusiasm, very very
funny shows, iconic shows. He loves sports. Just a short
story years ago, I was invited to a dinner right
across the street from where I'm sitting, and Larry David
showed up because he's friends with Charissa Thompson, who works
at the network. They were buddies and Larry's very funny,
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and he sat next to me and I was joking.
He kept saying, I think I can be coordinator for
the Jets, and I'm like, Larry, you cannot be offensive.
Coordinator is a language in the NFL. You don't speak
the language. It would take years and years. He's like, no,
I'm dead serious, I could be offensive coordinator for the Jets. Well,
Larry's very obsessive. He's very funny, he's very smart, and
he really believes it. Well. Apparently he was on the
Michael K Show, Good Guy, New York Yankee announcer a
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good dude in New York, and Larry David talked about
he loved Lamar Jackson and he called the Jets general
manager in the last draft and said this. I did
call Mike mcagnan before the twenty eighteen draft and I
recommended that he draft Lamar Jackson. I have a witness. Really, yes,
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I have a witness. And what did he say to
you when you said that? He kind of gave me
the most condescend he really wow? So you told him that, Yeah,
I told him that. He kind of he left him.
But who can blame him? Nobody thought Jackson for the
Ravens well time out, not even the Ravens. The Ravens
passed on Lamar the first time they had a chance
to draft him and allowed Incinnati, their arrival, a shot
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to get him. So it's been a shocking, shocking development.
Even last year, Lamar played seven games, he barely passed
for a thousand yards. He only passed for over two
hundred yards once he completed like fifty eight percent of
his throws. He was interesting, he was fascinating. Nobody predicted this. No,
the Ravens didn't predict this. This is my least favorite
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quality of the media, My least favorite quality. Two words.
Revisionist history, Folks, Lamar Jackson, Let's not feel sympathy. He
got drafted in the first round in a very heavy
quarterback draft. If you want to feel sympathy, feel sympathy
for Russell Wilson, who went in the third round. Russell
Wilson went to Wisconsin. He didn't have a great offensive
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coach like Lamar did. In college. He completed seventy three
percent of his throws, thirty three touchdowns, four picks, Rose
Bowl at running conservative Wisconsin. Nobody drafted him first two rounds.
Didn't make a Nickel Seattle DJ's made more than Russell
Wilson until a year ago. Okay, Lamar Jackson, revisionist history.
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In the worst conference by far in college football, the ACC.
Because usually the ACC Florida State's good, now they're crap,
Miami's good now they're crap. Virginia Tech top ten no
longer are. It's Clemson and awfulness, and we in that
conference with Bobby Petrino, one of the two or three
sharpest offensive guys now that Urban Myers retired, maybe the
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smartest offensive guy in college football Top two or three.
Lamar completed fifty four, fifty six and fifty nine percent
of his throws in a horrible conference with a brilliant
offensive mine and he's still went in the first round.
Of course, there were reservations. I mean I said it before,
I called him a project. I think he's gonna work
in this league. But man, fifty four, fifty six, fifty
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nine percent in the awful acc Of course, people add questions.
The Ravens add questions. Lance Zerline, whose dad was a
coach in the NFL, is a scout who have a
great deal of respect for. We bring him on the
show once or twice a year. Here's what he said,
and this is what I was in the Chargers war
room the year of the Lamar Jackson draft. This is
largely how the Chargers felt his evaluation was. Evaluating Lamar
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against NFL standards for the position will cause him to
come up short. However, he has rare speed and athleticism
and can single handedly win games. Jackson may need to
operate in an offense ready to integrate RPOs along with
heavy play action has star potential. That's what everybody thought,
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but potential. Nobody predicted this. We didn't see this last year.
And what have the Ravens done. They have drafted him,
and instead of the Michael vic career arc, which is
people kind of Michael, you can run and stuff, but
we want you to be this, Baltimore said, Hey, we're
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gonna build an offense specifically tailored to all your strengths.
You put him in Cincinnati and a coach pushes back
on the running stuff. We may not see Lamar Jackson MVP.
We just see Lamar Jackson making cool plays once in
a while. So the revisionist history on this is laughable
by the media. In the last twenty five years in
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the NFL, you can't find another college quarterback that couldn't
complete sixty percent of his throws in a bad conference
with a great offensive coach that became an MVP candidate.
It doesn't exist. There's usually are usually a baseline in
the NFL. You've got to complete sixty to sixty one
percent of your college throws if you're going to go
to the NFL. I think Matt Stafford was right on
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the line and be great. So I mean, I'm happy
for Lamar. I think it lasts. I do you know,
people say he's gonna get hurt. My takeaway as will
show me he never gets hurt, didn't get hurt in college,
didn't get hurt in a prose. Show me the hurt part,
because I'm not seeing the hurt part. You know RG
three a year in. I saw the hurt part. I
think RG three got banged up in college too, But
Lamar doesn't get banged up. But the revisionist history on
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this stuff is absurd. Lamar's great, He's a great story.
I hope at last, I think it will, but there
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four teams at home this weekend, three of them had
blowout wins off of Bys Kansas City, Baltimore and San
Francisco off there By this year had huge blowout wins
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Green Bay off there By this year got blown out.
So I don't I don't know. And this is not
a knock on Matt Lafleur. How good of a coach
is he because I look at the playoffs last year,
the year before, the year before, the best coaches are winning.
I got Andy Reid, I got Shanahan, I got Pete Carroll,
I got Mike Zimmer, I got John Harbaugh. I don't
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think Matt Lafloor. I don't think he matches up to
those guys. It's not that a Green Bay's not good,
It's just I think I always judge coaches off off
like extra time, Nick Saban, Dabo Sweeney, Belichick, Pete Carroll
and he read Sean Payton off bys John Harbaugh are
great off of by Matt Lafleur got blown out. Tennessee's
offense is better since he left. And I look at
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all these coaches left. I could make an argument Matt
Lafleur is certainly the least experienced and the least talented
coach left. So I you know, is he better than
Bill O'Brien. I don't know. Is he better than Mike Rabel.
I don't think so. Not what I've seen. Tennessee got
better when he left offensively, So I don't know what
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to make a Green Bay. I guess I take him
at home off a buy because they're super Healthy one
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bring him on a Super Bowl champ Five years under
Mike McCarthy and Green Bay. So I'm watching that press conference, Jesser,
Mike McCarthy looks odd in a suit. I will say
that you liked him, know a lot five years I
did like him. Why'd you like him? Well? I liked
it because first foremost he was personable. He was also structured,
where he had a discipline arian element to him. So
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it was like this nice little combination of he could,
you know, lay down the hammer, but then at the
same time he could be personable and kind of just
like shoot the breeze with you. So you had that
element of him to where he could be he's approachable
and things of that nature. And I also like the
fact that he was adaptable because, like we talked about
this before, when he first got there, he was like
a dictator, like this is what we're gonna do like
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Tom Coughlin, Like Tom Coughlin. And then over time when
we started six to two, he basically said, Okay, we're
gonna have to change it up. I need the player's
input here because this is a player's game. That's what
he always tell us. And then ultimately he's just an
overall good guy. You know, he really has his the
best intentions to go out there and help now the
Dallas Cowboys succeed and ultimately achieve what they want. Now,
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there are reports that he wanted more personnel control in
Green Bay and he strug Ted Thompson, he didn't think
went out and helped him defensively. They had to win
by shootouts all the time. Yeah, are you surprised? Even
Aaron noted I thought he would want a little more
GM control. Does that surpriseec because I always sensed a
guy that liked personnel decision power? Yeah? Well, I would
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say this with McCarthy. There was a time where he
didn't care. He just would take whoever Ted gave him,
and it was working out for us great. But then
there came a time and we talked about this also
on the show, where Ted basically made the shift and
the philosophy of the team where hey, we're gonna go
more offensive oriented. We're not gonna, you know, mess with
the defensive aside much. We're gonna just try to outscore teams. Yeah,
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you know, obviously there was a time there too where
they just they were just drafting and developing guys. Every
single year was like starting over, and Mike got tired
of that ultimately too, when Ted kind of got to
the end of his tenor there, and then you had
other guys involved in the personnel decisions. I do believe
Mike felt like he was more qualified to evaluate talent
to bring in personnel than the guy as that were
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in place pulling the string. So I believe that was
more of it. But I mean, come on, now, he's
going to Dallas. He's not gonna have much says and
that's why this it could it could make sense. But
I'm telling you right now, principally this is probably going
to be a disaster in Dallas. Whoa, because here's the thing.
You gotta remember this, And this is what's so interest
interesting about this is it's really a contradict a contradiction
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because Jerry Jones says, hey, I want an experienced coach.
I just don't want a rookie, first year coach. But
guess what, ladies and gentleman, that's exactly what they got
with McCarthy because McCarthy has never been a head coach
in a situation where somebody's looking over his shoulder to
where he doesn't have full autonomy on playtime, who's going
to start? Because that's exactly how it was in the
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Green Bay Packers. And he liked it more and more.
He liked it well, he loved that, like Ted Ted
always said it. He Ted said, hey, I'll acquire the players,
will play, it will pay them their market value. But
after that it's up to the coaches if they play,
if they don't play. Because I guarantee you if Jerry
Jones invest in a player like Ezekiellt, you know, like
you did last year with Ezekiellett, and all of a sudden,
McCarthy finds another runt. Let's say, Paulard just fits in
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better with what McCarthy wants to do. Who's you know,
the draft pick there they don't have as much invested in,
and all of a sudden, you see Ezekiel snaps decreasing
I Guarrittee. You. Mike McCarthy's gonna get a call from
Jerry Jones saying, Hey, what's going on. I just bade
this guy X amount of dollars fifty million guaranteed he
needs to be on the field. McCarthy's gonna be like, whoa,
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I've never had to deal with this before. What do
I do? Because he never had to deal with that.
So the ironic part of this whole thing is McCarthy
has never been in this situation. So in fact, Jerry
Jones got a coach that's inexperienced dealing with an owner
that is going to be so involved in football operations
like Jerry Jones is. So you had playoff games in
Green Bay. The difference between regular season and playoff games
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at Lambeau just take our audience to the different preparation,
the intensity, the way you you feel and send as
a player. Well, I remember the Division round we played
the Saala Seahawks and it was but the twenty seventh season,
and you just ran out of that tunnel into Lambeau Field.
It was so palpable, tangible, the energy just to the
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fans and it just right now, it's bringing chills down
my spine. Man, it is an unbelievable experience because that's
what the Packer fans live for. Heck, that's what every
fan base lives for. Packer fans, though, are just a
little bit different. They're special because they are so invested
in the team. You talk about them being shareholders. And
then ultimately when they go to the game, Packer fans
don't go to the game because it's a spectacle. They
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go to the game because they literally believe that they
can have an influence on the outcome of The games
are dangerous and that makes them so fun. And so
when you go to a playoff setting in lambeau Field,
you know that everything has been heightened, the energy, the
expectancy of feel pressure. I felt good, pressure, Like this
is what we all want, this is what we're here for,
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and let's go do it. And I'm gonna tell you,
I mean, when you're in playoff football and you know
that if you don't go out and make a tackle,
don't go out and you know, do certain things. And
the New York Giants game kind of pops in my
head because that a fumble at the end of the
game that popped right into my chest and it was
so flipping cold. I jumped onto the ball, popped out
like wet soup. And then Dave Pullif said for the
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New York Giants, I never forget him because he was
with the Packers, jumped out and recovered, and I would
have won us the game. So it's kind of like
you have to go out and execute almost perfect. You
have to take advantage of every opportunity because it literally
could lead to if you don't being eliminated, not being
you know, in play the following week. I think Aaron
Rodgers and Russell Wilson are about the same quarterback. You
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disagree strongly with me. I just don't get it like
Russell Wilson. I have never seen anybody that is so
propped up to where everybody wants to see him beat
this elite quarterback. And again, he's a good guy. I
love Russell Wilson. I think he's phenomenal. I love how
he is so humble and spiritual and all those kinds
of things. I just look at him as a football
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player and he still is a function of his surroundings.
He's not a guy that can go out there and
basically say, okay, I have no running game. My defense
is Brando Bendo break but mostly a break defense and
still cover up all those weaknesses. I don't He's not
at that point right now. Now that can change, you know,
he could go. Would you ever face him? If I think, yeah,
I did actually face him twice, how would you do
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check that I did it? Because I was with the
Rams and I faced to various Jackson, So you've never
faced it. I've never faced for Okay, that's like saying
Whodini's overrated, but you never saw a show. Well. The
bottom line though, is I've seen the guy enough when
he plays, and I've seen how he reacts when all
of a sudden everything comes on him, and I haven't
seen him raise his game, especially in big time playoff games,
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at the point where he says, oh, fine, well I'm
taking over offensive line. You're struggling protecting me. Fine, I'm
gonna get the ball out quicker, we're gonna check to
some quick game stuff, or I'm just gonna take over
that kind of I haven't seen that yet, that kind
of that kind of point. Here's what would worry me
about if I'm Green Bay. I don't love our offensive line.
I think I have said this for years. The Packers
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in Wisconsin always have good at on lines. I'm shocked
right now. I don't think the Packers online is that great.
For the first time in ten years, I look at
him and I'm like, I saw him get overpowered by
San Francisco. I saw him get overpowered by the Chargers.
I saw him get pushed around by the Eagles. Those
are good defensive fronts. I think the Packers on line
is if you start looking at Baltimore's defensive front, Kansas City, Seattle,
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Minnesota seattles as much. But yeah, I give your goal
with this. You like, what worries you about the Packers
a minute left? What worries you about him? Inconsistencies I'll
never forget. I went to the Washington Redskins game and
I saw them control, dominate the first quarter, and then
after that it was a crapshoot. Is what kind of
team was going to go out onto the field and
play a team that could execute at a high level
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consistently or a team that was going to go out
there and kind of fumble around? And what is not,
by the way, a loss of focus? That's all it is.
Not coaching, well, no coaching is part of it. Because
coach coaches are meant to keep teams focus, keep teams engaged.
Leadership has to jump in. But I'll tell you what.
The last two games to follow up the season, the
Packers played, in my opinion, two of their best games
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and two very challenging situations, one against Minnesota in Minnesota
and then at the trade game. Don't discount playing against
the team that has nothing to lose with you having
everything to lose. Brady popinga great see and you, Brady,
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iHeart Radio app. Bucky Brooks, a former NFL defensive back
scout helped build the Seahawks and the Panthers playoff rosters,
is joining us NFL Network as well. I said to you,
we're talking. I said, okay, there's four favorites at home.
Seattle's favored, you know, Kansas City's favorite over Houston, Baltimore's
favorite over Tennessee. San Francisco's favorite over Minnesota. I said,
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if there's one underdog, because we're gonna have an upset.
This weekend, we are I said, give me the Ups
and the Minnesota Vikings. I would be really, really cautious
if I'm to San Francisco forty nine is approaching the
Minnesota Vikings because they are a very talented team. They're
a team that has a super Bowl caliber roster. They
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can win on defense because they have Hunters upfront, Danil Hunter,
Everson Griffin. Their linebacker corps is outstanding with bar Eric Kendricks,
and then offensively, their ability to control the game with
the run while also being able to attack and generate
points and the passing game off play action to thelan
and digs. They could give the San Francisco forty nine
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Ers problems also because their experienced. They've been in the playoffs.
Two years ago they win teams they went to the
championship game. The San Francisco forty nine Ers haven't been
to the playoffs in a while, and even though they
have some individuals who have played, the entire team has
not been there. So when you play a playoff game one,
you have to get used to the speed in the
intensity of the game being much faster, it's a more
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physical affair. It is one where the kind of winner,
go home mentality brings a different level of urgency, and
sometimes it takes a while for young players to adjust
to that. And so if this game is tight going
into the third quarter and fourth quarter, you just wonder
do they have the wherever though to hid of the
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pressure that comes along with it. And then also you
have the Jimmy garoppolo factor, how is he going to
perform in his first playoffs start the game speeds up,
Canny settle in really really early to kind of play
like he played in the regular season. I think this
is a game where Kyle Shanahan's opening script the first
fifteen plays. He has to get his quarterback settled and
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comfortable really really early so he can play like the
Jimmy g that we've seen. Green Bay's Seattle just because
the line Fox bat is minus four, so that's a
kind of a field goal game. I don't think Green
Bay's offensive line. I think by I think they've done
a very good job developing and drafting offensive lineman, but
I don't love their old line this year. Sometimes they
don't get the push. I think they were overwhelmed by
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the Niners defensive front the Chargers defensive front at times
the Eagles defensive front. Those were good defensive fronts, and
Seattle is a great run stopping team, not much of
a pass rush team. I worry about green Bay because
off there by they were blown out Kansas City, San Francisco,
Baltimore off a blah by blue out teams. I don't
know if Matt Lafleur is great. I have concerns about
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Green Bay. They're thirteen and three and they don't have
a really impressive win since September fifteenth, beating the Vikings. Yeah. Know,
it's a tough team. This is what I'm worried about
with the green Bay Packers. Then it comes down to
two words, commitment and trust. Will Matt Lafleur be committed
to running the ball? The team has been built to
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run the ball, to play complimentary football. The defense has
played well by generating turnovers and they've been able to
win using that formula. Canny. Commit to running the ball,
and will Aaron Rodgers trust Matt Lafleur to stick to
the game plan. What typically has happened in the past
for the green Bay Packers, Aaron Rodgers has had to
do everything. He has had to be the magician. He
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has had to kind of do herculean type stuff to
get them to advance. This year, he hasn't had to
play like that, and they've won and the playoff game.
Is he patient enough to stick to the script if
the game starts out slow, or do they get to
a point where he throws it forty to forty five times?
If the Packers are winning, they're playing the right way.
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I think his past attempts are probably between thirty to
thirty five. If he gets north of that, the Green
Bay Packers are not playing the way they want to play,
and I think it makes them susceptible to lose to
a Seattle Seahawk team that is used to being in
this environment. Remember they play more one score games than
anybody this year. Seattle's in tight games all the time,
tight games all the time. And so if I'm Pete
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the way, I'm thinking, I want to slow this game down.
I want to run it. I want to drain the
play clock. I want to make this a fourth quarter game.
I want to get to the point where we're within
one score in the fourth quarter and then we play
fifteen minutes to win it all. If they get the
game to that, but no pressure by the way House money,
Green Bay, big favorite, sposed to win, and it's hard
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sometimes to win at home because the anxiousness and the
anxiety from your home fans thinking, oh my gosh, we're
the favorite, we're supposed to win, it seeps into the sideline.
So everything that you want to do if you're Pete
Carroll and the underdog, you want to keep this game
as tight as long as you can, to get into
the fourth quarter and see if the Packers can hold
up against the pressure. Okay, I'm gonna ask you to
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be kind of the general manager here on two questions.
So let's start with Brady. You're a team, You're the Chargers,
You're Carol line up. You can't get the quarterback you
love in the draft. And here's Tom Brady, he's available.
Here's Teddy Bridgewater, he's available. So we know Teddy and
Tom can play. Tom's got the greater resume, Teddy's much older, younger.
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Tell me, if you were a general role manager, would
you be at all interested in Tom Brady? Man, it's
really hard because Colin last year he fell off the cliff.
And I know we can make every excuse about the
supporting cast and those things. But in looking at the table,
we saw things from Tom that we had never seen. Typically,
if Tom had an open layup, he always knocked down
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the layup. If he had an open range jumper, he
always knocked it down. This year, more than most, we
saw him miss things that he had never missed. Against
the Blitz, where Tom has been surgical for the last
three years, he fell off a cliff passer rating of
sixty seven point eight. Completion percentage was right around thirty seven.
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That's not what he normally has done to three years.
Prior of that, his completion rate was over fifty. What
about gros and a grong factor. I mean, like, obviously
he didn't have the most talented supporting cast around him,
but from watching him play, he wasn't on the mark.
So now kind of forty three ye old quarterback turn
it around. We've never seen a quarterback this age play.
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We talk about George Blanda, but outside of that, we've
never seen a forty plus quarterback play at a high
level and kind of rejuvenated. I just don't know if
Tom can bring it back. If he goes to a situation, man,
it has to be a ready made situation where he
can kind of do the Peyton Manning thing where his mind,
his leadership ability, those things are the best assets that
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he brings to the team and that he shows the
team how to be a professional, how to be a champion.
I just don't know on his talent a loan, if
he can upgrade a squad, I think that's totally fair.
Let me ask you about this. So I've bounced around
the country and I've started over like four times. And
when you start over, you know, I tell my wife
this next nine months to a year, I mean it's
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gonna be I am a laser on the job because
you're rebuilding stuff. What I can't have is drama because
that will just it just punctures your momentum when you
start a new job. So Matt Rule's gonna get the
job here in Carolina, and he's an aggressive guy with
an aggressive owner, and they've got the seven pick. They
don't have to give up multiple number ones to move
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to three to potentially get their quarterback. I would move. Now.
Listen to his reaction because he knew when he got
the job and he flew there he was going to
be asked about cam. He not had dumb guys he's
on the private jet. Like, first question is gonna be
about Cam. So here is Matt Rule's answer on Cam
in the future. I had a chance to talk to
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Cam yesterday and I have the utmost respect for him
and what he's done, and I love the way he
talked to me. To be quite honest, he didn't want
he didn't want to talk about the past. He wanted
to talk about the future and so. But other than that, I,
you know, I would rather much rather talk to those
guys and kind of get a feel for not just
Cam but all the players in the roster and really
have a good process moving forward for the entire roster. Okay,
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so it's non committal. Knew it was coming. My argument
is if his quarterback was Mahome, Rogers, Russell Lamar, Matt Ryan,
seven eight guys, he'd be like ready to go. Instead
it was well, I'd let me you know, I don't
want to commit it. My takeaway is this, when you
start a new job, if you retain Cam, it's gonna
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be twelve months of Cam questions. That's a lot of
drama for a new guy. I run the Panthers, I
make picks, I get to the number two picks. Washington's
not taking a quarterback. I get to the number two pick. Yeah,
I mean no, no, no, You're not nuts. I look.
I love mad Rule. I love what he's been able
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to do at Temple then at Baylor. He understands how
to turn around a program. He has a very clear
vision for how he wants his teams to play. He
believes in toughness. He has a level of adaptability where
he will take the best system to put his players
in to enable them to win. I think what he
did was brilliant in terms of being noncommittal. He didn't say, hey,
Cam is out, he didn't say Cam is in. I
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think what he wants to do is really look at
Cam Newton and what Cam Newton has been the last
couple of years when he's been on the field unhealthy,
and then assess what is coming in the draft this
year and next year. Everyone wants to move off of
Cam because Cam is making nineteen million dollars. But when
you really look at the nineteen million dollars cap number
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compared to what Jared Golf is making at thirty five,
compared to what Russell Wilson is making, it's really a
very very affordable number. Yeah, if he does nothing and
just keeps Cam for a year while drafting his quarterback,
he could very well do what Kansas City did with
Alex Smith and Pat Mahomes. Just because Cam is on
the roster, it doesn't prohibit the Carolina Panthers for finding
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their quarterback of the future. I think he wants to
give himself every option until he absolutely has to make
a decision, and he really doesn't have to make a
decision into very very late in the process. By the way,
Mike McCarthy pressure with the Dallas Cowboys, you make anything
of it. Look, man, I like Mac McCarthy with the
Dallas Cowboys, and I think he has been underrated and
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I really think he's been disrespected in terms of what
he is as a coach. The success that he had
with the Green Bay Packers. Look prior to the wheels
falling off at the end, he's one of the top coaches.
It was Belichick, Tomlin, Mike McCarthy. Those three were the
most winning during that span. He's won a Super Bowl,
He's won double digit wins multiple occasions, and he did
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it with now ever having a top running back. Yeah,
but it should be noted he didn't have many great
defenses either. No, so he did it with that. And
I think what people need to realize because we've heard
a lot about Aaron Rodgers being a transcendent talent, but
I think people forget when Aaron Rodgers came in the
league those first two preseasons, the Green Bay Packers didn't
know if he could play. Mike McCartney did a lot
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of groundwork with his quarterback school to Bill Rogers up
to being the player that we respect and see is
one of the best in NFL history. He understands how
to develop quarterbacks. He also understands and has an affinity
for the running game. We were together when I was
a player in Kansas City. He understands how to play
smash of football. He will be fine in Dallas. He
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is ready for the job. It's interesting when you take
a year off from somebody. Somebody gets fired and the
optics are bad, and you know, it's like art, we
appreciate it more. You know, the artist dies and ten
years later the painting's worth more. Yes, And I think
with Mike McCarthy, time away from the sport did him well.
He kind of got thrown. I'm not blaming Aaron Rodgers.
But he was made out to be the incompetent, you know,
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not progressive, and it's like and then he used all
the right keywords. I listen, I've been studying analytics. In
the end, his resume is pretty darn impressive. His resume
is very impressive. The people that he's worked done there,
the stuff that he has done, and you know, really, yes,
I know him. Look, he was together in Kansas City
and anyone who has played under Marty Schoenheimer coached and
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Marty Schodheimer. The one thing that you value is the ball.
When you look at the turnover rates, the Green Bay
Packers rarely turned the ball over. What do you think
Aaron Rodgers got the affinity for not turning the ball over?
Mike McCarthy, Because when you turn the ball over, the
odds go through the roof that you're going to lose
the game. So he's going to retain possession. So some
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of the slippiness that you've seen from the Cowboys in
the past, he'll eliminate that. They'll play clean football, he
will run the ball, he will find a way to
use multiple tight ends, so they have to upgrade the
tight ends. But this Dallas team. He'll take what they
were and just enhance it and tweak it, and they'll
play really good football. I think he is going to
make them a really, really dominant team in time. And
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I think he's going to do one is for the quarterback.
The quarterback will continue to improve, he will get better,
but the team will be run through the running back,
something that we've never seen him have the luxury of
having a big time All star running back. Here's the
Jones family. Have you ever met Charlotte, By the way,
I have not sharp as a tack. The kids are
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all smart. Looks premier franchise. I also think his experience,
McCarthy's experience in Green Bay, it won't be too big
for him. All the stuff going around with Jerry and
the brand and America's team. He'll keep the main thing,
the main thing. He'll focus on the product on the field.
You will see a much better version of the Jealous
Cowboys going forward. Bucky good seeing man. Thanks
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