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Where Colin was Right / Where Colin was Wrong, The Herd Hierarchy, Former Patriots WR & Super Bowl champion Julian Edelman stops by, a Playoff QB Draft, and Colin's Blazing 5. 

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listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go, hour two.
It is a Monday. Love love what they've done here
at FS one for our set. I went holiday shopping Saturday.
I went Christmas shopping. I'll take you an underrated place
to Christmas shop is RII. I love Ari. I can

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literally sit in RII. I could stay tonight there. I
love that place. Is that where you get scuba gears?
Now it's camping and it's camping, hiking and camping. I
just love everything there. They're outdoors. Tomaw Uh, Well, my
son likes hiking and doing stuff, so he's going up
to BC at the start of the year. So he's
going to go hiking and he loves all that stuff,

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all right, Jay, Mac, Matt hasselback, Mark Sanchez. Today. We
do it every Monday, at this time. Where Colin was right,
Where Colin was wrong? There's plenty of both. Here we go.
Where Colin was right. I warned you last week on
Dan Campbell he doesn't trust his defense, so now he's
going hyper reckless. I really do like the man, but
I think they're no longer the hunted. They're the hunter.

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And I think it's very hard to win a Super
Bowl when you're reckless. Now again defensively, I don't know.
Maybe he feels like they have to take these big
swings and I don't think they were going to win
the game anyway. But I said it last week and
I'll say it again. Reckless teams don't win the Super Bowl.
Where Colin was wrong, Well, on November eighteenth, when the

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Cowboys lost to the Texans, I said they're in the
middle of a soft tank. Well, they've won three or four.
Mike is playing great Ceedee Lamb back to back touchdowns.
Say what you want about Cooper Rush. He moves the chains.
So Mike McCarthy, there's you know we've been saying this now.
Mike McCarthy's a good coach. I think he's gonna retain

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his job because he's winning these games and the team
hasn't quit. You look at the new York Giants, and
you wonder if the team has quit. You watch the Cowboys.
I don't see it. McCarthy's probably coming back. Where Colin
was right. When Baker signed that deal with Tampa, I said,
I would have no problem signing him. He's a good fit,
he's got the grit, he's got a chip on his shoulder,

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and I think he's a really good leader. They now
lead the NFC South. He and Mike Evans totally in unison.
I think it is price point. He's actually a bargain.
I was blown away yesterday. The Chargers had the number
one defense in the league and they dropped a forty
burger and they totally controlled this game. So I think
a lot for quarterbacks outside of the all time greats

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is fit. Sam Darnold now has a good fit. Baker
chipping his shoulder is a great fit. Where Colin was wrong.
Uh yeah, I never thought i'd see Bill Belichick take
the third to fourth best coaching job in the ACC.
I admit I see him as a pro coach. I
don't know if he and Mike Lombardi and mostly a

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pro staff are going to feel collegiate. I said, I
feel like it's going to be a quicker, more rigid
version of Charlie Weiss, a pro guy who tried to
make college work. He says, you know, I always thought
about coaching college. I think this, in my opinion, is
more about the NFL turning their nose up in the
air at Bill Belichick and not wanting his rigidity and

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personnel control. But I'll admit watching him in Carolina Blue,
it's a bit of a shocker for me. Where Colin
was right. I picked the Rams to win the division
before the season started. Matt Stafford zero pick in five weeks.
They now officially lead the division. They started one and four,
they were all beat up from the on line and

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wide receiver. They are seven and two since just like
last year when they got healthy. They finished strong last year.
Right now, Cooper Cup's healthy, Puka Nakua, their offensive line,
Havenstein's back up. This is a very, very good team.
I do feel like they're a draft away from hoisting

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another trophy. But this is a team I thought would
win this division. Where Colin was wrong. In the last
nine games, Lebron is shooting twenty five percent from three
and forty five percent on field goals. I had said
earlier this season, I still considered him a top ten player,
and I defended him like mid November. He's not. He disappeared.

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His turnovers are up, his shooting is down. He has
lost his legs. Listen, I'm not this should have happened
five years ago. I'm shocked it took this long, but
that absence for whatever reason. Speculate all you want. He
looked out of gas. And the first thing in an
athlete loses is the legs. Fifty year old quarterback can

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still grab a football and sling it, and Steph Curry
will be able to shoot when he's seventy, but it's
the legs, and Lebron is not a top ten player.
Where Colin was right, I don't get the brock perty
for sixty million dollars discussion. Well, what do you know?
They pulled San Francisco fans and forty percent believe brock
Purty should get in the twenty to thirty million dollar range.

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So at least I agree with the Niners. Listen to
the four biggest games this year. One he was hurt,
and the three others he was easily the second best
quarterback in the field. I like him. He struggles in
wet weather. I don't think he's a guy that can
elevate average players. I think he is a quarterback that
can manage great players. I would pay him. I think
he's a franchise guy. He started talking fifty five to

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sixty million. We're talking Lamar, We're talking Mahomes, Alan Stafford.
I don't think that's for brock perty and now Niner
fans agree. Where Colin was raw well, I didn't think
Devonte Adams was going to for the pack for the Jets.
I felt like he'd bounced around. Aaron was shot. But
I gotta be honest. Those two yesterday were great. The
last four minutes of the game. They were historic. Statistically,

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Davante's had over three hundred yards in the last two games.
And I'm critical of Aaron Rodgers, so I have to
be fair. I think in the last three to four weeks,
Aaron has found his footing. Davonte Adams now Garrett Wilson
from the reaction on the sideline, may not love it,
but I will tell you now, between Garrett Wilson and
Davonte Adams, Aaron has looked very comfortable. I thought the

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season was over three four weeks ago. They have played
incredibly hard offensively, They've been very good late in games.
I's wrong on that. I thought they were done. Nope,
they still got some life where Colin was right, where
Colin was wrong, and with that eighteen years in the league.
I love our Monday show and Matt Hasselbeck stops on end,
the three time pro bowler. So I'm watching the Lions

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fall apart, and I know Dan animalst kind of his
DNA is he is a go He's an alpha. He
gotta take some shots kinda. But I wonder now if
he's being I view him as reckless because he just
doesn't trust the defense. And I do think sometimes coaches go,

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we can't stop anybody. Do you think it's his DNA
or do you think now he's just lost trust in
the defense. While he would call that onside kick.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
No, I don't think it has anything to do with
the defense. I just think it's his DNA. He's an
emotional guy, and it's part of what you love about him.
You know, sometimes former players, when they become coaches, they
have to learn how to like separate that. I'm getting
geeked up to go cover a kickoff mentality and have
to learn how to be calm and just sort of
be discerning, and while all the chaos is going on

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around you.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
You're not the guy hyping everybody up.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
You're the guy that's sitting back almost like you know
the movie Bagger Vance when he steps up to the
t box, like everything else goes quiet and he's he's
like just completely engrossed and focused on the decision that
needs to be made. And I think you learn as
a young coach. I mean he's a little bit of
a young coach still. I think you learn from these moments.
And he's been very transparent at the podium talking about it,

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and I think that's what people love about him is
he's very transparent. He owns up to his own mistakes.
And like you said, they are now the bully. They
were the guys that were getting picked on. They were swinging,
you know, taking a shot with house money sort of,
and now they need to play like one of the
best teams in all of football, which they.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Are so Green Bay. The average age is twenty five
years old. They're like an old college team. And I
watch him last night and I just think that organization.
You know, I was saying this earlier Matt. If Jordan
Love would have gone to half the league, they would
have played him first year, bad ole line defensive coach.
He's wrecked. They have been so smart, even adding Josh Jacobs,

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They're like, we really like this kid, and he's got
good young tight end receiver. Let's give him a power
running back. So it didn't after throw thirty five times.
I love how Green Bay develops quarterbacks. But I look
at this team and I think there's just a bunch
of kids. They're twenty five years old. Go to your
playoff experience? Is that youth a liability when playoffs starting

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a month?

Speaker 2 (09:15):
No, not if you're completely naive and you have no
idea like how much pressure is really on you? And
I think that's the great thing about that team, and
you've seen it in other teams. I remember Tom Brady's
first year when he won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
I don't think he really knew.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
I remember, you know, in my first you know times
in the in the playoffs, like I didn't know. But
that was the beauty of it. You're just out there
like you were as a kid, cutting it loose, having fun.
And I would say Matt Lafleur does not get enough
credit for what he is as a football coach.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
He just kind of gets glossed over.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
He's like, oh, yeah, he's a.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Sean mcvag guy, you know, like whatever, Like, no, no,
he is a legitimate, legitimate head football coach both sides
of the ball. He's done a great job bringing in
Jeff Affley to run the defense. They've been, you know,
really honestly, they've been the unsung team this season. Like
we even just talk about their division. We talk about Detroit,
we talk about Minnesota, and this is a team that's

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done it. You know, we talk about Detroit being banged up.
Now Green Bay was banged up. Now they're getting healthy.
I think they're a dangerous team coming into the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
So as I watched the Bills, first of all, I
said this earlier. I always thought John Elway was the
most talented quarterback I'd ever seen. Showing my age, but
I thought that's I mean, he could have played major
league baseball. And then and then you watch Farv and
then you watch Mahomes And I'm not talking just trophies.
I'm talking like Bill Russell's got eleven rings, Michael's got six.

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I thought Michael was more talented. It's not just trophies.
Marino never won one. He was brilliant. But I watched
Josh Allen. He makes Elway look lumbering and small, like
I've never seen anything like him. As a former quarterback
eighteen years you know you were in rooms with guys
like Farv. How would you coach Josh? I mean you

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don't want to not ask him to do whatever he does.
I wonder if it's almost harder to coach a guy
that's as like good as Tiger and as Primaro Tawny,
how would you coach him?

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, no, it's it's harder than people realize.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
I remember my rookie year watching Andy Reid try to
coach Brett fav You want to keep the amazing, the
other worldly, but at the same time you want to
protect him and his body and obviously that football I
saw with Andrew Luck when he was getting coached, and
you know he's putting himself in harm's way.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
I think it is.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
It's like also like it's a curse and a blessing
being as big and as physical and as fearless as
he is. But when you can get it right, and
I believe they've got it right, They've got designed runs
late in the game when you need it. They don't
do it early, they do it more late. They do
it when they've kind of warn you down and they
know exactly what you're doing. They're smart with him. He's
being smart with the football. That's why everybody this week

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will be talking about him being the NFL NFL's MVP.
It's I mean, if you were voting today, if you
had to decide today, he's the guy.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Now.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
That doesn't mean he's gonna win it, and that doesn't
mean that they're going to hoist the Lombardy. But if
you're a Bills fan and you ever thought, hey, this
is the year that our quarterback wins MVP, and this
is the year that the Bills finally, you know, hoist
that Lombardy like you're probably right, this is like your
best chance right now. And I think one of the
coolest things for them giving them confidence. People think of

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them as just like I don't know, cold weather team.
They've shown that they can be lights out, maybe not
even maybe even better in a dome. And guess what
if you think those players aren't talking about the fact
that the Super Bowls and a dome this this year,
I promise you. Quietly, they're whispering that to each other
on the flight home.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
So I want you to when I watched Philadelphia just
sort of take advantage of Pittsburgh. I mean, obviously TJ
watch remarkable, but it looked easier than it should. And
I mean, you got nineteen catches between DeVante Smith and A. J. Brown,
and Pittsburgh knew that was coming with all the talk
about AJ they knew it was coming. Is it scheme?

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It looked so easy? Is it the movement of hurts?
And I'm past questioning, Siriani, But as I watched that game,
I thought it shouldn't be quite this easy. Is there
a scheme? Is it? What makes it look? Is it hurts?
Is it play calling? What is it? Well?

Speaker 2 (13:22):
It certainly helps when Pittsburgh offense. Pittsburgh's offense doesn't play well.
They turned the ball over, they really weren't explosive, so
you're getting more opportunities. And I really thought, like, exactly
like you said, they said, hey, come out and beat
us in the passing game.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
We're gonna stop Saquon.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
First you saw the RPO for the touchdown, and then
like we've talked about it for you know, the whole season.
Philly has the weapons, They are capable, Their quarterback is capable.
People are jumping on him because he's been a little
bit of a wait and see thrower, like I'm gonna
wait and see until it's open, then I'm gonna throw it,
and less of an anticipator the way you see guys

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like Tua Tongue Bailoa and so I just think this
is still a young quarterback who's who's maturing. He's talking
about you gotta water the grass. If you want the
grass to look green, you gotta you you know, you
have success in what you work on. Sure, I'll buy that.
I just I really think, and I've said it all year.
I think Philly is one of the best teams in football.
People are quick to jump on board the Boo Birds

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in Philly because they're out quick in Philly. I mean,
this is the fan base that Boo's Santa Claus. I mean,
you know, and everybody loves Santa Claus. So I really
think this is one of the best teams in football.
Their biggest issue is going to be, like we've seen,
sticking together and you know, keeping that humble mindset that
beginner's mindset and staying focus week to week.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
So it's interesting bo Nicks really struggled in the first half,
and yet you know, Sean Payton and coaches kind of
tell me what they think of their quarterback by the
plays they call, so he didn't put bubble wrap on him.
They went out in the second half. They were out
played in the first. They were aggressive, and it was
interesting because Bow had a really I mean, he was

(15:01):
overshooting everybody. He had a rough first half. He it
was rough, and I thought, oh, this could go sideways,
and then the second half, I'm like, yeah, this is
just one of those games. So I want you to
go back to early in your career. I think it's
it's easy to let a first half drag to the
second emotionally, and yet Sean Payton's like, nope, just go

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make plays. And I think that's hard for a coach
if you weren't as confident as Sean Payton to say, no,
we're gonna throw the ball down the field. They should
have lost that game. Jonathan Taylor did him a favor.
They were totally outplayed, out schemed in the first half,
and yet they won a little on bon neecks Peyton,
but a little on your career. Is it hard after

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a rough first half to go, yeah, I'm just gonna
forget it amnesia? Is that harder than we think?

Speaker 2 (15:50):
It's a sign of a good team that you can
win a game when your quarterback doesn't play well. But
just speaking about Sean Payton, sure, I can remember at
halftime early in my career, I wasn't playing well well.
Mike Holnger and the head coach would come into the
locker room and instead of berating me because I was
the one not playing well in the first half, he
would rip the defense who was playing well. He would

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rip the special teams, and he would say it in
a way he'd be like defense leaders, special teams. I
got a young quarterback, like I'm counting on you, not him,
I'm counting.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
On you to step up.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
And it was almost like, oh crap, like he's it's
actually worse than if he was ripping it.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Now.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
I feel like, hey man, you better get your act together.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
And I think even just like for the offensive line
and the skill guys, they're saying like, hey man, we
got to pick our young quarterback up.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
We got to give him opportunities.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
And I know the stats weren't great, so people are
going to pile on Bonnicks and know the turnovers, but
he had some great plays that.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Brought him back into that game.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Also, Yes, was he aided by the fact that the
defense scored, the special teams came up huge.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yeah, and that's part of it. That's part of football.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
But I do think that this can give you confidence,
almost like a blessing in disguise that says, hey, like,
we're not about guy. And everybody on that team's been
on a team where the quarterback got all the credit
and it's like, oh, it's just because of the quarterback,
and they knew the truth that this is a football team.
It's eleven guys at a time, and it's way more
than that to go into the success. And so when

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you have a team that's more about the collection that
some of all the parts instead of just one guy
who gets to talk at the podium after the game,
I think there's something special there. And in Denver's building it,
they've got a foundation and just much like Mike Hongrin
did for us in Seattle, you can tell that Sean
Payton's done that quickly in Denver.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Finally, Mahomes gets pretzoled in this football game. Obviously, this
is a sport of attrition. He'll want to be out there.
If I'm Kansas City, I'm like, I'm not going to
play them against Houston. If Carson went swins, I'm not
gonna playhim against Pittsburgh. That's easy for me to say,
even as a veteran quarterback, Matt would two or three
weeks off late in the season. Would it throw off

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your timing? Because Xavier Worthy is a young kid at
received their timing is still building. Noah Gray is still
a young tied end, and I think to myself, I
think Andy would sit him and Mahomes would fight like
hell to get back on. But I do wonder because
their receiving corps is so young, if it could be
a punitive decision to sit him for two to three weeks.

(18:20):
It'd be different if I had Mike Evans and I'd
been throwing to him for four years. How would you
manage Mahomes now with the injury.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, I'm not worried about the timing. That gets overblown
for sure, no doubt about that. I'll just say that
Andy Reid has dealt with this before. He dealt with
it with Brett farre he dealt with it with Donovan McNabb.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
I'm sure he's dealt with it with Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
But really, what you do is you go to a
guy like Patrick and you say, Okay, if you want
to play, I will let you play.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
But the ball has to come out on time.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
You have to throw with rhythm, No worthy birds, no
jump passes, none of that stuff. Because he's going to
want to play. And I hear everyone talking about all
just sit him and all that kind of stuff. That's
fine in theory, but more of what it means to
be a franchise quarterback, and especially for a guy like
Patrick Mahomes, is you're sending a message to your team

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about mental and physical toughness and whether he should say
he probably should sit if we're being real, But knowing
who he is and the competitor that he is, just
watching him through the years, he wants to be the
guy that says, without saying a word, hey guys, I
know we're all banged up. I know you're banged up.
I know you're banged up. I'm banged up. Like, let's

(19:35):
rise above it. It's not about what I can't do.
Maybe I can't run for fifteen yards, but it's about
what I can do. I can play like I'm forty
years old from the pocket and slice and dice, whoever
we're playing, I can do that. And so you know
this game on Christmas that's coming up, we got a
Saturday game, like you know, are the weeks that are
coming up.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
He's gonna want to be out there.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
So I think if you're the coach, you just got
to basically say to him, Okay, you want to go
out there and be John Wayne, I'll let you do it.
But the second I see you taking unnecessary hits, you're
coming out on the sideline, and I think that's how
they'll approach that.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, you give us such great insight. That is such
a great answer to a question. I didn't see it coming.
Matt Hasselback. Look at that trophy room behind you that
I gotta be a all the years I've been doing this,
look at that what's your favorite one?

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Honestly, man, Like none of it matters really, it's kind
of the journey. I guess maybe this one over here,
over this over here, these are like these are my
girls national championship trophies over there. So if your kids
ever have something, it means more to you than anything
that you ever did. But we got some good junk,
I'll say that, but it's it's more about the journey
and the memories and the teammates and the coaches and

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all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Good answer, Dad, that's a good answer right there. Matt hasselback.
Good seeing you again, Maddy always see man. Yeah, well
he's good. Helps eighteen years in the league. A few
times one more heard.

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It didn't it make you feel warm and cozy. Jmac
is the sweetest guy, so Jordan of break. Basically, it's
a weird year for me and the family. I'm by
myself on Christmas and Jmack's like, you could stop by,
And I said, I said, do you do you want
me to bring something over?

Speaker 7 (22:50):
Do you think are you really going to reveal?

Speaker 8 (22:52):
Well?

Speaker 1 (22:52):
I said, I'll cater dinner and he goes, oh, really,
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Speaker 8 (23:02):
I did not even get a chance to text the
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Speaker 1 (23:09):
I had their boneless chicken wings this weekend. Amazing. I'm
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I died for Buffalo. It was all right, we do
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Speaker 6 (23:25):
Time.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
Now go The top ten NFL teams according to College
number ten.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Okay, I gotta admit I'm kind of proud. Denver Broncos
tied for number one scoring defense in the entire league,
lead the NFL in sacks. They did not play well
and won. They got out played by the Colts. They
won four straight games. Bow Knicks is still in the
growth period. But I said before the season, I did
not buy they were a bad team. Sean Payton's one

(23:51):
of the best coaches of my life. Bow Nicks had
sixty one college starts. Mims, Courtland, Sutton, Patrick Sirtan, you
got real dudes. Denver at ten, number nine, the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. I may have them low. I'm telling you
I wouldn't want to play this team. The Chargers hadn't
allowed over thirty points in the game. Tampa went in

(24:12):
scored forty easy and I'm telling you Baker Mayfield now
third in the NFL with thirty two touchdown passes. Be
Veri's concerned about facing a team that can win by
shootouts or win ugly, and that's what they can do.
You can't run on them. Yet this roster can run
on you. This is a weird team. Todd Bowles, who's

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a really wonderful guy and an excellent defensive coach, is
proving you can get out of the way and let
the offense be the offense. I got Tampa at nine,
number eight Minnesota seven game winning streak. They are seven
to one and one score games. I think a lot
of the story here beyond Darnold is Kevin O'Connell, who
they call the Tonnell Sean McVay. I think Kevin O'Connell

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is superb. And their defense Brian Flores number two against
the run, number three in takeaways. Brian Flores deserves another job.
He does because I don't think their defensive personnel is
nearly as good is their defensive production. I think it's fine.

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The production is great. I think Flores deserves another gig.
Minnesota Daight number seven, the Ravens. Listen. They have five
losses by a combined twenty two points. A lot of
it's been special teams. It's the best run offense in
the league. I am rooting so hard for Lamar to
do something in the playoffs because I don't buy this
thing that he's not a great pocket quarterback. He is now.
I do think Jmax touched on something yesterday. Dereck Henry's

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productions come down a bit. These are long seasons running backs.
You're seeing JK. Dobbins, Dereck Henry, Montgomery with the Lions
this is a rough sport. They're the last unprotected offensive player.
I have the Ravens at seven. Number six. I'm gonna
move Detroit down to six, and I'm not sure they
are six. They've given up seventy nine points in two weeks,

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and it's not because the coaching's bad. They're running out
of players. The defense has one takeaway in the last
four games. Everybody moves the ball on them. They have
eighteen players on the ir again. They can only win
now in shootouts. I think green Bay this morning is
the better team, and I obviously Detroit has beaten green Bay,

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but I have the lines at six. Number five. You
do not want to play the Rams. They are now healthy,
no turnovers, no sacks allowed in two games. This offensive
line is winning games seven and two since the buye Okay,
and when Stafford's got a healthy Pooka Nakua, seventeen touchdowns,
four picks, Kyron Williams, Stafford haven Stein, Cooper Cup Poka Nakua,

(26:48):
Sean McVay. You don't want to face them. They are
hot and feeling it. Number four Buffalo, listen. Their defense
is an issue. I know your phone out in love
with Josh Allen folks. Detroit went up and down the field.
The Rams went up and down the field. Their defense
ranks twenty second. Now they're fifth in takeaways, so they'll

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take the ball away. And I love Josh Allen two,
but he's had like nine hundred yards in two games
and they lost one of them. You're not winning in
February with this defense. They had got to get healthier.
I think they're getting wrapped back. They're getting some of
their back end back, but they are not good enough defensively.

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Number three the Packers. They're hot, they're healthy, and they
are now a power run team. That game in Seattle,
they turned the lights out on that thing after two drives.
Eight and two since the start of October. Now, both
losses were to the Lions because the Lions have a
better team, but they don't today. I love Green Bay
when they hold opponents under twenty five. They're nine to one.

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And I think Matt Lafleur is on a short list
of one of the most underrated coaches in the league.
Remember when he was at Tennessee, his reputation was he
likes to lead with the run. He had Derrick Henry
in Green Bay. This is his offense and his team.
This is what Matt Lafleur knows. He is a run first.
He's got a lot of Sean mcvahan Shanahan. He likes

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the run game. Green Bay at three, number two. Listen,
Mahomes is banged up. This team is still ten to
zero in games decided by a touchdown or less. They
still have the best coach arguably ever. Mahomes probably sits
this weekend against Houston, and then he'll be fine. I
do worry about offensive tackle. I just they're not going

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to be great at it. Just keep your eye on
this team. They're getting Hollywood brown back. I think the
best of Kansas City will be the version in about
you know, ten days when Patrick Mahomes returns. Number one.
The most dysfunctional great team in sports, Philadelphia a ten

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game winning streak, with their coach getting in fights with
the assistant coaches. I mean, everything they do screams bad organization,
and yet all they do is win. They fire super
Bowl winning coaches. I Philadelphia's wild is Nick Sirianni a
good coach? Did you see that defensive line coach getting
in his way? Would you do that with like Andy

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Reid would you do that with Sean Payton. I mean
like Philadelphia breaks every rule in pro football. They fire
winning coaches, they let go of Andy Reid, the coaches
screaming at fans, draw in the locker room, players calling
out the team on radio, and they win and they're loaded.

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This roster is stacked. There's the herd hierarchy. I like
Green Bay a lot. I know you're shaking your head
at green Bay, aren't you Didn't Buffalo beat case Like
I don't know three weeks ago, and Buffalo's defense now
is worse.

Speaker 8 (29:55):
I think you're right on Green Bay. I actually like
this except for Casey at two.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
There's no shot. I don't even know if i'd have
them top seven. Oh that's interesting. Our next guest, mavin
do they don't care about that? Nick Wright is joining
his live co hosts. First things like, I'm to a
point like Kansas City's just a legacy vote, Like, I

(30:18):
don't know what they're gonna look like. I think they'll
beat Houston with Carson Wentz frankly, because I think Carson's
one of the more talented backups.

Speaker 9 (30:25):
Does everyone have access to a different set of standings
than me? I love the legacy vote. Another way is
they have the best record. They have the best coach,
the best player, they're the two time defending champ and
they have the best record. The Chiefs are being discussed
this year like they're nine to five, but oh well,
you've got to give them credit. They have the best record,

(30:46):
and no J Mack. The Bills didn't beat the Chiefs
three weeks ago. They did beat the Chiefs five weeks ago,
and fifty seven weeks ago and one hundred and four
weeks ago, as they beat them every regular season, and
the Chiefs dog walk them in the playoffs. But if
we're doing head to head thing, then I guess Baltimore
should be out of Buffalo because Baltimore beat Buffalo by
twenty five. And the Raiders should be super high because

(31:08):
they beat they beat the Ravens. They of course didn't
beat the Chiefs because only one team did.

Speaker 7 (31:11):
So let's talk about this for.

Speaker 9 (31:12):
A second, because this is now the second straight week, Colin,
that you have left the Chiefs at two and have
ahead of them a team who's coaching quarterback you don't trust.
I told you if they played Detroit in the Super Bowl,
you would you wouldn't take Detroit. Detroit's now down to six.
All the Chiefs do is win Philly if it is
Sirianni and hurts against Reid and Mahomes and the super Bowl. Again,

(31:34):
there is no chance you're going with Philly. There's none whatsoever.
Like I feel like I'm living in this alternate universe
where everyone, your wonderful co host included, who was as
wrong as anyone's ever been about anything about the Chiefs
last year, and then in February it was like, I

(31:54):
will not make that mistake again.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 9 (31:57):
Has now seen the Chiefs win thirteen of fourteen games,
and they're like, I don't know how good they are.
I got a pretty good idea how good they are?
Pretty damn good. So that's my takeaway. And you got
the Broncos a little too high, but you love Sean Payton,
so fine, I do.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Okay. So I was saying this about Detroit is that
if you look, I mean, the NFL is not the NBA.
You play hurt, you yell at players, It's it's kind
of an Alpha league. And I think a lot of
that is because you play outdoors. Everybody's hurt. You gotta
play hurt and The truth is the power is in

(32:31):
the coach and the GM, not the players. And so
when I look at Dan Campbell, I understand we love
the reckless in the wild and the crazy, but on
side kicks, now you have to announce you're doing it,
so the surprise of the onside kick is done. I
watched that and I thought, I'm hoping he did that

(32:53):
because he didn't trust his defense, because otherwise that was
an agreed just lea reckless coaching move. I can think
two things. I love the coach, but it is now
time to pivot away from Hey, we're the little guy
on the block. No, you're closer to IBM than the
garage band, right.

Speaker 9 (33:13):
So that's an important distinction. An important distinction is the
underdog needs to play the variance game, the favorite needs
to avoid it. And so what can be the right
decision if it's like, man, if this game goes to overtime.
Not that this was the concern there. You know, if

(33:34):
you're a big underdog and you score a touchdown in
the waning moments and extra point ties it to point
wins it, there's a good argument go for the win
because the more football that's played, the bigger you're you know,
the other team's edge increases, but the Lions are now
the favorite in a bunch of spots and still have
an underdog mentality. Underdog mentality can be good, underdog strategy

(33:59):
not so much. But my concern for the Lions is
two weeks in a row.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Dan Campbell on.

Speaker 9 (34:07):
The fourth down decision against Screen Bay and then the
on side kick with twelve minutes left. Forget the strategy
elements of it which I thought were flawed, and even
the most aggressive analytical models say that's even too aggressive
for our taste. Dan Campbell told not just the outside
world but his team.

Speaker 7 (34:26):
Yes, yeah, I don't trust the defense, yes at all.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Actually yep.

Speaker 9 (34:31):
And that's the defense that they are now going to
have to try to win a Super Bowl with. And
I feel terribly for the Lions. I do think it's injuries.
And again, not every team's Kansas City that can lose
the running back, top three receivers, top corner, left tackle,
defensive end and just keep chugging along. Most teams a
derails them. And that might have been what happened to

(34:54):
the or is happening to the Detroit Lions. But Colin,
there are a lot of you know ways for this
Lions team to go from the Super Bowl favorites for
the first time in franchise history too out in the
wildcard round. They are not locked into the one seed.
They are not even locked into winning that division. If

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Minnesota passes them, then Detroit is going on the road
to Tampa, who beat them, or to the Rams who
played them to overtime earlier. If they fall to the two,
they could be playing Green Bay, who just played them
down to the final seconds a few weeks ago. Like,
I think, Detroit's an excellent offensive team that unfortunately the

(35:42):
defense doesn't have the horses right now to make them
a real contender.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
So it's I was saying this. There was a moment
in that Eagles game where Nick Seriani went to talk
to a player and a defensive line not even a coordinator,
a defensive line coach stepped in, and I thought.

Speaker 7 (36:00):
Whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
That's not the way it works, Like this moment tells me,
and you would never do that to an elite code.
You wouldn't do that to Vrabel Tomlin Peyton read. Isn't
that a sign that if they lose early regardless of
his past wins, Sirianni's in trouble well.

Speaker 9 (36:27):
So it's so interesting. Also, poor big dumb Big Dom's like, uh,
you put me in a tough spot here, like the
one guy on the sideline bigger than me that's not
a player, the one that he got an issue with.
I don't know what I'm supposed to do here. So
the Sirianni stuff is so fascinating to me Colin, because
I am a I know it is not in vogue

(36:48):
these days to you know, care about things like wins
and losses and your actual record, but those of us
that do wins are are a coaching stat and his
win loss record is spectacular, so I have to give
him credit for that.

Speaker 7 (37:07):
The flip side is I don't know what he does.

Speaker 9 (37:10):
Kellen Moore calls the plays, Vic Fangio does the defense.
It seems like aj Brown via press conference dictates what
style of offense they're going to play. His game management
is shaky and he doesn't put out fires. He sends
to set them. So I want to be fair to
Sirianni because the results, aside from the end of last season,

(37:35):
have been exemplary when he's there. But it is true
that Philadelphia it's been reported considered replacing him after last year.
Right now, the team has the number one scoring and
number one yard yardage defense in football, the best running
game in football, and two of the best wide receivers

(37:55):
in football. If they and I don't think they will,
by the way, I think this is a deserved right
now NFC favorite given what's happened with Detroit. But if
they fall short, I just don't see a lot of
scenarios where it's not either because of something ridiculous Sirianni
did or because Jalen Hurts, who's out here scolding the

(38:17):
media saying, oh, is that what you guys wanted to see,
as if it were the media that started that conversation,
not his star wide receiver and the longest tenured player
on the team in Brian and Graham.

Speaker 7 (38:27):
But something aside. I think it will either.

Speaker 9 (38:30):
Because Sirianni screws it up or Hurts comes up short.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah. So I watched the Bears last night, and I
think there are three. So I'm going to ask you
the question I asked Jmack and just let's just play along.
There are three broken teams to me in the league. Bears, Jets, Giants,
broken Chargers were a little broken last year, but they

(38:54):
had a quarterback. And to be honest, in my lifetime, Fouts, Breeze, Rivers, Herbert,
They're always fun to watch. They always get the offense right.
They were never broken. They just chargered a lot of wins.
In the losses fans.

Speaker 9 (39:07):
Fans are like, we can't even get on the broken
teamless like jeez, but gohead.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Sorry, So I'm gonna ask you this. You're Mike Rabel,
who is clearly now that Belichick's in college, the number
one I would argue, of the three, the Jets have
the best roster, excellent corners, pass rush, now, two receivers
start back, and they found their left tackle out of
Penn State. Don't love Aaron, but I think it's the
best roster. Will play along. The Giants have the best

(39:33):
game day revenue in the best history when they're rolling.
That is, they are second to the Yankees in that city.
They are a big deal. The Bears have Caleb Williams.
You are Mike Rabel, What do you tell your agent,
star quarterback, best roster or the blue blood franchise having

(39:53):
a rough decade?

Speaker 9 (39:55):
Yeah, the easy one is this last place is the Jets,
and I you know, if one does believe in cursed franchises,
the single most tortuous thing and cruel thing to Jets
fans is exactly what has happened, which is the moment

(40:17):
they're eliminated from playoff contention. They see the version of
Aaron Rodgers. They thought they were gonna get the whole time,
and it might just be enough to fool that dopey
franchise to bringing him back at age forty two and
running this whole thing back for more disasters. So the
Jets are a clear last place. Okay, I think the
Bears must go with an offensive coach, but that's not

(40:41):
your question. Your question is essentially, if Rabel were offered
all three jobs, which one would he take. I if
I were Mike Rabel, I would take the Bear. I
would take the Bears, Okay, because I still believe Caleb
Williams is a going to be a great player. I
think Caleb is having one of the oddest rookie seasons ever.
He refuses to throw interceptions, and I actually think that's

(41:05):
a bad thing. I'd feel better if he had been
throwing some interceptions. Also that his function of the firing
the oc, firing the head coach. All of that has
worked against him. But I think they are going to
go offense, which then means, if I'm Brabel, I think
the Giants are exciting. He's injured right now, but they
have a franchise left tackle Malik Nighbors is a great player,

(41:27):
even if he's already kind of, you know, graduated to
DIVA receiver a dozen games into his career. But Brabel
get his arms around that. They have an excellent defensive line,
and they're going to be able to draft the quarterback
in the top two or three, which is where they're
going to be drafting. So I think that for Vrabel
is what fits. I think the Bears are the most

(41:49):
attractive job, but I think that they are have to
go offense to try to pair Caleb with someone who
can grow together.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
By the way, you know, I let you sit here
and take shots at me. I did get the Denver Broncos, right,
I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 9 (42:03):
Okay, so here's the thing. I wouldn't listen. You did
get the Denver Broncos, right. I also listen their preseason
total was five and a half. Yeah, I thought that
was insane. And but I would just I would pump
my bow Knicks victory left, Sean Payton victory Lafts.

Speaker 7 (42:21):
Fine, okay, the bow Nick stuff.

Speaker 9 (42:24):
I mean I think Bo Nicks is, you know, turned
thirty this year and I just saw him throw three
picks and need Jonathan Taylor to drop the ball in
the one and you know the terrible Ady Mitchell play.
But listen, Nick, Benito's an excellent player. Broncos are going
to be in the playoffs and gonna you know, so,
good job by Sean Payton, Good job by you. Maybe

(42:47):
just one day, let me ask you this, Rekal quick.
All right, next year, if the Chiefs are the three
time defending Super Bowl champions and have the best record
in the NFL, do you think you can find it
within your heart to keep them at number one.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
On the hierarchy? Is that fair?

Speaker 9 (43:05):
I know, two time defending champs, best record, need to
see more. If they pull off the three beat and
have the best record, can they be number one?

Speaker 1 (43:12):
No promises, you know, it's just new information.

Speaker 7 (43:16):
Yeah, of course, see it.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Buddy, Nick? Right, Yeah, the Bo Nicks. Okay, so he's
thirty four years old out of college. I mean, you
guys are so picky on stuff. If you have you
called your wife and asked about my suggestion for Chris,
I don't I don't have to check in on that.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
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Speaker 1 (43:48):
Willian Edelman in a while, three time Super Bowl champ
and MVP twelve years in the NFL. So the Belichick
thing is interesting. Urban Meyer was on a couple hours
ago and he said, you know, now, it used to
be in December you were in your car recruiting. Now
they come to you. He goes, Actually, several years ago

(44:08):
I thought Belichick was a terrible fit in college, but
actually now he can sit in his office. You're sitting
down with Mike Lombardi and how much do you want
have you changed? We've had so many different opinions on Belichick.
What are you making of it today?

Speaker 10 (44:25):
You know, the more you think about it, the more
it makes sense. One, you know, projecting players. I know
that you're not a big fan of them with that,
but he did have a guy, Steve Neil, who was
a wrestler that was a three time Super Bowl champion
guard I was a project. I was a quarterback in college.

(44:45):
He projected me as a receiver.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Gronk was a huge Gronk.

Speaker 10 (44:49):
You know Tom Brady see you know is that a
project players. Two, his dad was a part of that
whole thing. He loves nostalgia. He loves his f family.
Anything that his father was a part of he loves.
So that makes sense. And then you know, three, it
comes down to NCAA's pro football. Now, like like Urban said,

(45:14):
this is just turning into a introductory.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Pro Football League baseball. It's Triple A baseball. Now there
is something that you noted. This is interesting for our audience.
Spring football actually is better in college than the pros
because of the CBA in the NFL is very limiting,
without a doubt.

Speaker 10 (45:37):
So like when everyone talks about the developmental players, you know,
I've never seen Bill have spring practice full padded. Now
he's gonna have fifteen practices to install his system, full contact,
eight hours a week, whatever it is, perhaps with pads,
to install his offense and get his team ready, which
those in the NFL are passing camps and shows.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
You can't go pads in the NFL you can't go
pads in the NFL.

Speaker 10 (46:03):
As a matter of fact, when your day is done,
you have such strict work law laws that you have
to leave the facility. You can't throw extra after the facility. Now,
I think, you know, I don't know the college laws,
but I just remember when I was in college, we
used to run so much in six in the morning.
Then we'd go and have football practice after, and then

(46:25):
you'd have meetings, so.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
You could install your whole offensive spring.

Speaker 10 (46:28):
You could install your whole offense in spring, and that's
what we do in the league through those passing camps
in mini camps. Now it's effective for us because we've
all had a foundation and we're all pros.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
But at a younger level, you know, you.

Speaker 10 (46:40):
Get to hit these kids, they get to hit and
you get to develop them at a faster eight. So
it's going to be very interesting to see how fundamentally
sound his teams will be because of that off season
spring practice and the ability to go out and prep
full pads.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Okay, so Danny Parkins came on the Bears. Well he's
from Chicago, and he said, listen, Vrabel's a bit overvalued
because he had a losing record last couple of years.
He got into a power struggle. Chicago could be a
power struggle. You're better off going and finding an offensive coordinator.
I think Chicago's too big of a job, too many
obstacles to just say, here, offensive coordinator, run the steeplechase.

(47:22):
It's too much. Where do you fall on that? With Rabel,
I follow that.

Speaker 10 (47:29):
If he was interested in the Bears, they should definitely
hire him. They need a culture guy, like I know
that's what you call him, but they need someone that's
gonna grab someone by the back of the neck and say, hey,
I need to talk to you in the hallway because
you're slouching or.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
You're doing this. They need an accountability guy. You know.

Speaker 10 (47:48):
It's very similar to the Detroit thing with the historical
you know, the amount of losses that they've had historically
in Detroit. They need a culture guy that going int
mc DC, Mike Rave m d C. But like, this
guy's a savant when it comes to football. And I'm
not saying mc DC isn't, but like I know Vrabel

(48:08):
for you know, firsthand. So they need a culture they
need someone that's gonna be a hold people accountable. And
I believe if he wants that job, he you know,
they should try to hire him.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yeah. Rabel, who told us jmak was it was it
Urban told us last week that he thought Vrabel was
the smartest player he ever coached. Somebody told me.

Speaker 10 (48:29):
That it was probably Matt Patricia, Josh, Josh McDaniel, McDaniels.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
He thought he was as smart as any He said
he could. He retained so much information. Yeah, he retained it.

Speaker 10 (48:40):
And uh, he even gave Brady crap. He gave everyone crap.
And then that was the thing. He was so smart
that he could get under your skin and you couldn't
do anything about it because he knew your assignment.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
He knew his assignment.

Speaker 10 (48:57):
And this is all while he was on scout team,
you know, as a starting defensive end playing safety. Like
that's the kind of guy he is, and that's the
kind of guy you need. You need an a hole
then that that's what they're lacking in that locker room.
There's way too much noise.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
At Naggy was a great guy in one and they
didn't like that.

Speaker 10 (49:13):
No, they need someone to come in and and you know,
tighten things up.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
They need. He had an identity in in nash in Tennessee.

Speaker 10 (49:22):
They were I heard the guy who came in on
your show talking about, well, you need an offensive mine.
We need to You know, all these offensive play callers,
don't you know? They could call plays? But I don't
necessarily know about their leadership skills. You don't know how
they're going to be as a head coach. Sean McVay
and Shanahan aren't just coming out of the factory. Those

(49:42):
guys are you know, one of ones. You know, a
guy like Mike, you know, he's a culture guy that's
gonna be fundamentally sound, that's gonna have the respect of
every single guy in there because he's a three time
Super Bowl winning player. He's a coach that has a
lot of you know, a lot of merit behind him.
Was a you know, number one seed with Tennessee. Like,

(50:03):
this guy's got the resume, he's got the attitude, and
I think he's what you know, the Chicago Bears need.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Okay, So I have said, I like Brock Purty. You
start talking fifty large, I don't like Brock Purdy. I
go Sam Darnold at forty for three years over Brock
at fifty five, and I think If you look at
almost all now wide receivers, different they come third round, fifth, six, seventh,

(50:30):
take out Brady. You look at most great quarterbacks right now,
of the fourteen playoff quarterbacks, twelve or first rounders, Hurts
is a second rounder. You drop to the seventh for
a reason. Scouting is much more sophisticated today than fifteen
years ago and twenty years ago when Tom went. It's
hard to find a sleeper. People like Purty, but he

(50:50):
was reckless, he was small, he struggles in wet weather.
I can't pay him big money. I know he wins.
I can't. Yeah, am I wrong?

Speaker 10 (51:00):
You know, if there's a five in there at starting
with a five, it's gonna be tough because of what
we're seeing with Sam Donald in Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
I mean, this is his.

Speaker 10 (51:09):
Backup last year with the players and the semi similar
scheme that they have, and we're seeing what Sam Donald
is this year. I do agree that the seventh round
thing I specifically remembered. If you know, I felt if
I was drafted in the third or the fourth rounds,
I would have made probably forty percent more money. But

(51:30):
because I was a seventh rounder, I always got labeled
with that and you know, I don't know if that's
gonna be different with Brock, but just through this whole year,
I remember going and talking about on kickoff in week
five when they were going through a bit of adversity,
they're starting to drop guys. I said, specifically, this is
gonna turn this year. Will determine whether you're a thirty

(51:50):
million dollar quarterback or a fifty million dollar quarterback. And
through the whole year, it looks more like he's a
thirty million dollar quarterback, which is a great quarterback. He's
a good football players, yes, but we're seeing his limitations
when guys aren't playing and when there's you know, when
there's excuses. You know what did Sean Connery say? You know,

(52:11):
excuses are for losers, winners of the guys who go
home take the prompt.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
You know. That's that's just that's the thing. I always
use the if rule. Yeah, if you're a quarterback, that's
an if, Like Josh Allen is great, Brady's great, good weather,
bad weather. If you're an IF quarterback, two is the ultimate.
If if it's warm, you're at home, have protection, an
offensive coach, and are healthy excellent. A lot of ifs
Brock struggles in wet weather, struggles without McCaffrey, struggles playing

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in the fourth quarter, especially behind. There's a lot of qualifiers.
If I'm if the first numbers five, you can't be
an if guy, you can't. You can't.

Speaker 10 (52:50):
And this is a product of this whole system. Okay,
I mean if you look at it. Two is in
the same system. Yeah, Brock's in the same system. Jimmy
G's in the same system. Curate, but nothing timing, Yeah, exactly.
And the only one who really has manifested the whole
thing and won the Super Bowl is Matthew Stafford, who
wasn't born in the system, who was born in a
drop back system that went to this system, the West

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Coast system.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Number he's one of the all time great on He's
one of the all time great arms.

Speaker 10 (53:17):
And that's what I this, This this whole Shanahan McVeigh system.
It's a it's a very quarterback friendly system that allows
guys to go out and get high production. Now it's
gonna cost you if when you have to go sign
them because of that.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah, that's a good point. So I said two days ago,
the Philadelphia Eagles have all these qualities that bad franchises have.
You know, the coaches barking at other coaches. The players
are going on local radio and criticizing the chemistry, and
Jalen Hurts and Brandon Ingram aren't tight and they they

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run through coordinators. It's like a j Brown, you know
issue with Jalen Hurts and this is what like Carolina
does or the Bears, And I'm like, but Philadelphia keeps winning,
so they're like strangely effective and productive despite drama and dysfunction.

Speaker 10 (54:15):
How well he gets the roster. They have the best
roster in football. I think you gotta you gotta tip
your cap to Howie and sa Quan when you have
a run game, like with Saquon a generational running back,
he masks a lot of things and winning masks everything.
But this will go and catch up to them in
the playoffs, I believe, so uh you know, I know,

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winning cures a lot, but there's been a lot of
crazy noise and it would be it would be unreal
to me to see if they can continue to have
all these little feutes, these outside noises. We got Dom
the security guy who's a care like, we have so
many things. It would surprise me if they went on

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one the super well, because there's gonna be a fundamentally
sound team that's gonna be mentally tough, that's not gonna
go down this road, that's gonna you know, that's.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Gonna handle them. Now.

Speaker 10 (55:09):
I don't want to sound like a hater. I do
sound like a hater right now. But it's just I've
never seen it happen. I've never seen this with leadership
the way that they have that's to go out and
win a show.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
What's the video we have this week? Sirianni went to
talk to Jalen cart He got punked, he got pumped
the coach.

Speaker 10 (55:29):
Yeah, there's just a lot. I think there's a lot
of lack of respect for the head coach. I felt,
I like, players can they have the best roster, They
got really good football players, and but I think that
the leadership. You can't have a head coach that doesn't
have the respect everyone. I just don't when it comes
down to it in like a gotta have it situation

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or some kind of something where he's gonna have to
make a decision, I I just don't see it happening.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
You know, it's it's they've proved me wrong. All year.

Speaker 10 (56:02):
But you know we're talking about like it's either super
Bowl or bust for this team. Yeah, that's it's not
about getting to the NFC Championships, not about winning two
playoff games.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
This team needs to win. Now, go to your most
dysfunctional year in New England. I mean, there was a
lot of stuff. But when I watched the documentary, go
to the year where you remember thinking it, damn, it's
noisy here. What year was it and what transpired at
the end of the season.

Speaker 10 (56:30):
I would say nineteen was pretty noisy. That the whole
you know, when we had Ab come in, you know,
and then you know, Rob retired, there was a whole
lot of going on in the front office and that
whole thing.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (56:48):
And we lost in the first round to the Tennessee Titans,
that's right, you know, and.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
We were those last game in Foxborough.

Speaker 10 (56:53):
With without a doubt last throw Logan Ryan And it
was a noisy year.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
That was a noisy year.

Speaker 10 (57:00):
Another noisy year I would say was seventeen.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
How'd that end? We lost in the Super Bowl to
Philadelphia Helthia Oh, that was the Malcolm Butler.

Speaker 10 (57:11):
That was a noisy year where you know, we had
a really good football team. I think we threw for
five hundred yards that day and we couldn't win the game.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
You know, like, and you felt it during the season.
It was tense.

Speaker 10 (57:23):
It was tense, but I was I was kind of
away from the team that year because I was in
the training room.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
I was, you know, doing my ACL. I had my
ACL that year.

Speaker 10 (57:31):
So but anytime there was or you know, after the
Hernandez thing, we lose in the playoffs, you know what
I mean. Yeah, So like anytime there was crazy noise,
And I'm not just trying to hate on Philadelphia. I
just had everything right has to happen for you to
win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
You know, I've won three of them.

Speaker 10 (57:49):
I went to five of them, and some of the
best teams I played on didn't even get there. Like,
everything right has to go in favor for you to
win the Super Bowl. And when they're there's little things
they will add up. It's remember Belichick always saying, you know,
it's like when you when you put in a hardwood
floor and you have to hammer all the nails down,

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you have to make sure you'd hammer every single one,
because there's gonna be one that you didn't hammer down.
That you may not see, but six months later you're
gonna stub your toe on that that nail. And that's
kind of the thing that this is. You know, it's
it's gonna it's gonna catch up to them. Now, yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
That, no I think. I mean, you're in your life.
There were three noisy years. You never took call on
the trophy, never took go on the trophy. Give me
the perfect year you had when everything worked you literally
the Super Bowls over. No, we had some noise too.
What was that Atlanta year?

Speaker 10 (58:43):
Well, no, the year we went you know whom Tom
was suspended in sixteen.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
You know, we had noise that year.

Speaker 10 (58:48):
But we also had Tom Brady and and Bill Belichick
and that that pair. You know, that's not Hurts and Sirianni,
right right, you know what I mean, And I'm not
there's nothing against those guys. They're very good at what
they do, but like, there's nothing like we had to
have a lot of mental toughness and we had the
best football player in the history of the game, prime

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and his prime to do that. So that was like
the one noisy ish year that we went on one
and then you know, I was suspended in eighteen for
the first four that was a noisy year, and we
won the Super Bowl, but like that was different as
well because we have Belichick in.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Well both of them. The noise was in September. In September,
that's right. These this noise is coming like weekly. It's
weekly noise.

Speaker 10 (59:32):
And I feel bad because it's it's a fun team
to watch. They were like, when you watch a qualmy
on the football, AJ Brown takes you know his one
he gets slant routes, he gets three or four slant
routes a game that he breaks four tackles on and
gets twenty five plus year.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
I'll make this argument, all make this argument. This is
the most talented NFL roster this right here. I'm trying
to think of one that's second. I'll tell you that
Brady one that won Tampa when he basically they got
Tristan Wurfs and he was like, oh crap, he's great.
And Gronk came and ab that roster. Reid dudes everywhere

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that was. They had one issue, right tackling running back,
and they solved that. That was an all start. I mean, hell,
that team the year before had thirty picks by Jamison
almost almost made the playoffs, almost made the playoffs, but
he also had thirty three touchdowns. Julian Edelman, great team.
Am I gad to see you one more?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
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Speaker 8 (01:00:35):
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the next chapter in a bitter historic rivalry of Russell
Wilson and his Steelers take on Lamar Jackson and the Ravens.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
It all kicks off Saturday at four eastern on Fox. Okay,
so a lot of people talk, but what do your
actions lead me to believe? So? Jmack is a Chiefs hater.
He's very critical of the Chiefs. But I thought today
we would take the fourteen playoff quarterbacks if the playoffs

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started today. Now, some may get bumped out, not many.
It's getting closer and closer. When Denver beats the Colts,
you're getting closer and closer. If the Chargers beat Denvers,
then I kind of feel like the AFC is locked in.
So these are the fourteen quarterbacks. So a playoff game
tomorrow in order. I'll let you start. You're very critical
of Mahomes. I believe the word you use is lucky,

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so generous.

Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
So you do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
We're going to go in the quarterbacks available. We're doing
a quarterback draft for playoff success. You go first, Who
would you take out of all these great quarters? Well,
that's so kind of you what you're in the holiday spirit.
I'm gonna put you to the task because I would
take Mahomes without even blinking. The guys at one, he's
fifteen and three. I don't care about fifteen. I care

(01:01:54):
about this year called. Okay, go ahead, you can numbers
one pick in the quarterback draft. Jason MacIntyre.

Speaker 8 (01:01:59):
So Josh Allen, quarterback of the Buffalo Bills, who's been
the best quarterback by a mile this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Season in the league. I mean, I've got a.

Speaker 8 (01:02:07):
Bunch of stacks, by the way to win the MVP's
minus nine hundreds. Okay, you bet nine hundred bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
To win one hundred. I know the playoffs.

Speaker 8 (01:02:15):
He has not historically been awesome, but who cares. I'm
talking about this year and this Buffalo offense. Colin with
Cook ken kaid keon Coleman's back, they got so many weapons,
and Josh Allen is the ultimate chess piece.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
He's the number one pick, hands down. Yeah, I'm gonna
take the guy who's fifteen and three and is the
greatest quarterback postseason record wise we've ever seen so far.
I'm gonna take Patrick Mahomes in eighteen career playoff games,
forty six touchdowns, only nine turnovers, and again that's against

(01:02:47):
playing like against Belichick and Buffalo. I'm gonna go Mahomes.

Speaker 8 (01:02:53):
Oh, this is tough because I really like Lamar Jackson
a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
But with the second pick in the.

Speaker 8 (01:03:01):
I'm going with Jalen Hurts in the Philadelphia Eagles. I
think we're headed toward A Bill's Eagles Super Bowl. So
I get both quarterbacks that are going to be in
the Super.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Bowl this year.

Speaker 8 (01:03:10):
Now, Listen Hurts has been up and down a little bit, obviously,
Saquan Ski, you know, up and down. I just looked
at the Eagles injury report for this week. It ain't great,
but we're talking about the playoffs. Eagles still could get
the number one seed in the buy. They could overtake
Detroit Chancer slim, but it could happen. And I just
love everything about Jalen Hurts running passing, AJ Brown healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
I'm gonna take Matt Stafford, who's on an absolute heater,
ten touchdowns, no turnovers, last five games, and the fact
that the offensive line is healthy, Kyron Williams, Puka Nakua,
Cooper Cup, Sean McVay. I'm taking Matt Stafford. I have Patrick,
Mahomes and Matt Stafford of our last three super Bowls.
Those are the three quarterbacks that have won all the

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Super Bowls. I'll have Mahomes and Stafford. By the way,
we're taking our time on this, but that's my second
so we got four of them off the board. Who's
number five?

Speaker 8 (01:04:03):
Oh, you're living in the past, number five. This feels
almost too easy. I gotta go Lamar Jackson, who's the
second best quarterback in the league this year after Josh Allen. Again,
I know the historic playoff issues with Lamar. I'm thinking
this year, this is this year draft. Lamar has been fantastic.
Ravens are gonna be live.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Trust me.

Speaker 8 (01:04:21):
I think I talk to some people, it sounds like
this whole Derek Henry struggling. They're saving Henry.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Lamar hasn't really been unlock running the ball a lot
would not shock me. If the Ravens are in the
AFC Championship, I'll take Jordan Love, who again excellent o line,
multiple weapons, one of the healthier teams in the league,
fourth most passing touchdowns in the NFL the last two years,
with missing a month because of injuries. I think Jordan

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Love's got a great coach, got a power run game,
has the best collection of young tight end receiver talent.
I'd take Jordan Loves. So I want to.

Speaker 8 (01:04:55):
I want to steal your guy, bo Nicks. But but
but there's no way on Earth.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
I could draft Hi.

Speaker 8 (01:05:00):
I'm gonna go a little bit, a little let's get
a little crazy. Let's go with Baker Mayfield again. This year.
Baker lights out. Remember Godwin got hurt. Everybody sold their buttstock,
Holy col Baker Mayfield has been tremendous with Mike Evans,
that three headed running back game. Even the tight end
Kate Otten showed well.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Listen, I know it's not gonna be popular. You guys
can laugh all.

Speaker 8 (01:05:20):
You want, But the way Baker's playing right now, I
think Tampa's gonna be dangerous in the NFC.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
I'm gonna take Jared Goff with that great offensive line. Listen,
Goff has played a lot of playoff games. Eight and
he's five hundred, so he has played eight playoff games.
I think that experience matters. I like Darnold. He's never
had a playoff start, and they led the Rams not
only do a Super Bowl, he lost to the Patriots.
I think Goff has overlooked the fact that you take

(01:05:46):
baker over golf in a playoff game. Interesting, So we
got nine guys off the board, eight or nine. Do
you know who one head to head this year? Right
in that game?

Speaker 8 (01:05:56):
Listen, I love Justin Hurt as much as the next guy.
I don't know their chances. If they lose this weekend,
they're gonna be facing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
The Bills are Chiefs in the first round.

Speaker 7 (01:06:03):
That's a loss.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
So I am gonna go a little surprise.

Speaker 8 (01:06:07):
Here and go with Sam Darnald slinging Sammy d only
because I think the Vikings.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Are gonna have a shot in the NFC and I
think Darnald can make a run.

Speaker 8 (01:06:16):
Colin, this kid is lights out indoors. You know, we'll
see what happens when he goes outdoors. But I like
everything I've seen from Darnal. I saw some people saying, hey,
fringe MVP votes, is he gonna be the most sought
after quarterback in free agency?

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
It's all because he's been awesome this year. I'll take
Justin Herbert, who has gone eleven straight games at one
point this year without an interception. I think the loss
of JK. Dobbins has hurt him significantly. But you're talking
about I mean, let's be honest. We both think he's
a top six quarterback in the league. And we're ten
quarterbacks into this thing. That's this deal. I get Harbaugh
Slater at left tackle. I tend to think Lad McConkie's

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pretty special. By the way, Hayden Hirst activated tonight, good
tight end. I'll take the Chargers tonight to win, and
I'll take Justin Herbert. Yeah, that maybe a whip by
me on that one. I'll go Jaydon Daniels Washington. I
like this kid.

Speaker 8 (01:07:04):
I know they kind of played with their food against
the Saints, but man, this kid comes out strong.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Start to gains.

Speaker 8 (01:07:09):
Look what they've been doing first quarter recently. Jayden and
Daniels would be my guy there. Next up on the board,
I would take C. J. Stroud again, not a lot
of playoffics. You know, he's one in one career in
the playoffs, so he's been there before. Bo Nicks hasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
I think c J. Stroud's good. It's a hard team
for me to figure out. They beat the Bills earlier
this season, they dominated the Dolphins. I never know quite
what I'm getting, but I would take c J. Stroud
my final pick.

Speaker 8 (01:07:35):
I believe we're down to I only see two names here,
and I'm gonna have to go with my doppel ganger,
Russell Wilson.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Yes, listen, once he gets Pickens back.

Speaker 8 (01:07:45):
And it looks like Pickens and slaves to play.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
This is a dangerous Russell Wilson, him.

Speaker 8 (01:07:49):
And Arthur Smith really vibing. They just need Pickens to
invigorate the deep ball. I'll go Russell Wilson with my
final play. I'll take bone Knicks. And something interesting about
bo Nix that doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Get this discuss. Do you know how he has the
sixth most rushing attempts this year. He runs a lot
and he's really a quick, twitchy athletic kid. So and again,
Sean Payton is part of the reason I like him.
So let's look at J. Max Picks and my picks,
and see, uh see who got the better crop of quarterbacks?

(01:08:21):
Obviously I get Mahomes, so I feel pretty good about that.
I feel pretty great having Josh Allen. I get Mahomes.
Stafford love GoF Herbert Stroud bow Neck.

Speaker 8 (01:08:30):
You know what would make this interesting is one of
the producers said, why don't we tally playoff victories?

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
You see at the end of the postseason, now how
things stack up. I have a feeling I am as
surprised here that you went, Jalen Hurts your second quarterback.
What do you mean Eagles? You had them? Did you
have the number one? No? No, on the Hurt higherarch. I
like them, but if they win in the playoffs, Saquon

(01:08:58):
Barkley and aj Brown, in my opinion, in will have
to be substantial.

Speaker 8 (01:09:02):
You know who gets in the ball, right, Jalen Hurts
hands it off to them and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Throws it to them.

Speaker 8 (01:09:06):
He's the He's the guy down on Jalen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Now we all love staff I can't believe I got
Justin Herbert as the tenth quarterback taken well, and he's
gonna have Dobbins at that point.

Speaker 8 (01:09:19):
But by the way, on Stafford they might not even
make the playoffs, and you took him second.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
I think he's pretty good if the Jets beat him.
This my sources are telling me Matt Stafford is good
breaking impeccable sources.

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Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
All right, here we go. What a weekend of massive
college football. The College Football Playoffs starts tonight Indiana at
Notre Dame, Texas and Clemson. Over the weekend, Penn Stage's
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(01:09:58):
So J Mack having a terrible year betting NFL my
worst ever. Most of the time, I'm fifty five to
fifty six percent, but it's been a year in which
favorites have done well. I tend to take dogs, so
I've been off all year. That's that's the breaks. Nobody cares.
But I will tell you today I thought, I thought
the single best bet of the weekend was a college bet. Oh,
and so I thought, I'm going to open it up.

(01:10:20):
I'm gonna give people an opportunity. It's a bet that
you and I both agree with uh, and it's never
too late to turn it around. Coward. You remember last year.
I think you started. I mean who could who remembers
nine of one?

Speaker 8 (01:10:32):
Yeah, and you turn it around positive so like you
could do it? Yeah, I' finished, strong man, It's not
how you start, say finished.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
I like your optimism. So here we go on to Friday.
My blazing five one. Let's blaze it up up.

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Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Indiana had Notre tacks. I like Indiana plus seven and
a half. It's going to be in the upper twenties,
wind chill in the upper teams. I don't I think
either offense is going to be great. I think the
game will be fast. It will be the run game,
eating the clock. Indiana is really well coached, coming off
their most dominant performance of the year crushing Purdue. This

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is not Ohio State in Columbus. The weather will be
a factor. It'll slow down both offenses. A Notre Dame's defense,
by the way, USC got five hundred and sixty yards
against him, could have won that game without pick sixes.
The last two opponents that Notre Dame has faced have
both had over one hundred and ninety yards rushing, so
Indiana's the second highest scoring team in college football. I

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think it is a game with a lot of running.
I really like Indiana's coach. I think Ohio State's a
different team in good weather than Notre Dame in bad weather.
I'll take the Irish to win, but I'm taking the
seven and a half points twenty seven to twenty three
fighting Irish Texas. Both Jmack and I like the Longhorns

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to cover. I don't know how Clemson scores. I could argue,
you know, are they really you know, they don't really
feel like a college football playoff team. Texas is eleven
to zero against everybody not named Georgia. Their offense is sputtered,
but I think their defense could score against Clemson. Clemson's
the only playoff team with three losses from a week
conference zero to two against SEC teams outscored fifty one

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to seventeen, and again the Texas defense. That's why their
offense has been so conservative. They may not need to
score more than a touchdown or two. I'm not sure
how Clemson mounts long drives in this game. I'm gonna
swallow the twelve points. I think I'd prefer to see
Arcs manning at quarterback. Texas wins thirty to thirteen Ramsaid

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hits at minus three. I'll take the Rams. First of all,
the game means a lot more. This is a Jets
team that had to fight like crazy to come back
and beat an awful, awful Jacksonville team. Also, I get
Stafford and McVeigh coming off extra time because they played
on Thursday. They control their own destiny. They need to
win this game. No turnovers and no sacks. Last two games.

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The O line's finally healthy. By the way, they are
five and zero this year. When they don't turn it over.
The Jets, by the way, last four games, you know
they're one score games. They keep it close. I think
it'll be close, but the game means more. It's been
a noisy, noisy week for the Jets. I'm going to
take the Rams to win and cover twenty seven to
twenty three forty nine ers. At DOLFA, I'm going to

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take the Niners minus one to win straight out. Here's
my problem with Miami. People have figured them out. Tyreek
Hill has gone over one hundred yards once in the
last thirteen games. TUA has not completed a pass over
twenty yards in the air before Thanksgiving. And the Niners
are a bully. They're very good against teams that are
below five hundred. They average thirty two a game. They're

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coming off extra rest four to oh against teams currently
under five. They remind me a little of Baltimore when
you stack them up against a great team. The Niners
have flaws. When they can bully an average team like Miami,
they win. I'll lay the one point. Niners win twenty
eight to twenty four. Patriots and Bills. I don't like

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big favorites, but the Bills have won nine straight regular
season home games minus fourteen. I'll lay the points. They've
scored thirty plus and eight straight games. They don't allow sacks,
so I don't think Josh Allen will be rushed. They've
only allowed thirteen sacks all year, and they're outscoring their
opponents at home by seventeen a game. The Patriots have

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lost four straight. They can't score. There's questions about the
coaching Listen, I get the best NFL team at home
that protects their quarterback against a Girodmeo team that has
gotten worse. Whatever they do offensively, people have figured it
out point differential. I think the bills cover thirty to

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there we go, J Mack, if you want to look
at the picks. I like the college games this weekend.

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I kind of My take is I hate big favorites,
but Green Bay and Buffalo are not only big favorites,
they're playing really good football. And I think my favorite
bet of the week is Texas minus twelve. I don't
know how Clemson engineers any offense in that game.

Speaker 8 (01:15:37):
Yeah, I like them. By the way, have you seen
the images from South Bend, Indiana? So you know, very cold.
I got some buddies going to the game. They are
fired up.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
I like Notre Dame. I'm excited.

Speaker 8 (01:15:49):
I can't wait for the playoff games. Yeah, Texas as well,
I'm with you on that for you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Yeah, so I mean Notre Dame Indiana. I think people
look at Indiana and I think it's being overplayed that
they're a fraud Ohio State good weather at home, that
was a tough place for Indiana. Yeah, okay, but this
first of all, it's not gonna be as loud because
people are going to be wrapped up. It is freezing.

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And again this is a Notre Dame defense. I went
to the game at the Coliseum, USC moved the ball.
They got shredded through the area. Yeah. So, And also
I do think that Indiana is closer in talent to
Notre Dame than they are at Texas or in Ohio State.
I just I felt watching that game. We were two

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series in and I'm like, Okay, this is big white football.
They don't have the players the Buckeyes do. And Ohio State,
by the way, does that to a lot of people?
I don't think. But I think Indiana can play a
Penn State, a Notre Dame, other teams that are good
and compete.

Speaker 8 (01:16:49):
I fear, how much like the winter break comes into
play because a lot of colleges, you know, the kids
are a back off campus, they're not there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
I don't know how juiced up these home stadiums are
going to be.

Speaker 8 (01:16:58):
They're calling for a whiteout and happy all yes, is
it going to be? Are all the students still there.
Are they hanging or did they hang around? After finals?
Everybody usually wants to get.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Out of dodge. I don't know what this is going
to be like. We've never seen this before. Yeah no,
I mean, and I think anytime you've never seen anything before,
it makes it. I can't wait to watch it tonight.
I'm going to the Doma cosm. Oh, I'm going to
go watch it. I'm going to see what it looks like.
By the way, if you've never gone to that thing,
there's one in LA and Dallas, one coming to Atlanta Detroit.
If you've never been to that place. In a snow game,
it's incredible to see what the players are going through.

(01:17:28):
In the officials, I don't know how you call a
game and is official in snow games, I don't know
how you do it. By the way, I just I
want to show you something that's really I like Jim
Harbaugh a lot. I loved the last night was so
much about Jim Harbaugh going with the old school kick
in that football game that hadn't happened since a fifty

(01:17:51):
two yarder by Paul Horning of the Packers in nineteen
sixty two. So it was you know, it was the
end of the half, and it was a fair catch
and there was interference in a penalty, and so there's
a fair catch and you are allowed to do this.
Now none of us have ever seen this thing before,
but now you are on that penalty, you can kick
it from there. And the Chargers have one of the
best kickers in the league, and so they're like, all right,

(01:18:13):
we're gonna kick it before half. And there's a big
difference being down eleven and being down eight. Okay, down
eight okay, it's a one score game and two point conversion.
So Dick or the kicker bang hits it. From that
point on, the Chargers dominated, And I thought it was
a real glimpse of the culture that Jim Harbaugh's created.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
It was a banged up football team. You trail, but
they're opportunistic. They bring back an old school football play
and here this is so classic. Here's Harbaugh after.

Speaker 6 (01:18:46):
They're loud and brade like we've never sung it before.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
So he goes out into the city.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
What who could possibly have it better than that?

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
He's a Jim fluencer. By the way, December fourteenth, last season,
they gave up sixty points to the awful Raiders. This year,
they secured a playoff spot, ninety seven chance they make
the playoffs. That's that game last night had Jim Harbaugh
written all over it.