February 15, 2025 • 55 mins
Colin reacts to a dominating Eagles win over the Chiefs to capture the Super Bowl capping off an impressive playoff run
Where Colin was right and wrong...plenty of both
He has bad news for Chiefs fans and why they have an uphill battle to remain contenders after another devastating Super Bowl loss
Plus, he talks to Nick Wright from First Things First about Patrick Mahomes playing poorly for the 2nd time in the Super Bowl
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Monday, the day after
the Super Bowl live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day, Jamax. By
any standards, this was not one of the more memorable
Super Bowls unless your favorite color is green. Unless you're
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the Philadelphia Eagles. I know you love the Eagles. That
is totally understand you, baby damn well, there are a
lot of angles on this. I'll say this, it's the
only Super Bowl I've ever watched where there were four
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MVP's minimum. Howie Roseman, the general manager, Vic Fangio, the
defensive coordinator, Jalen Hurts, the quarterback who won it for
the Eagles, and the entire defensive line. It was so
dominating it has to have a ripple effect. On the
Dallas Cowboys and the Niners and the Rams and the
Packers and how they draft. Does it not like, how
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do you block that? I mean it was really really
good during the regular season. What was that? I mean,
we taught quarterbacks all the time on the show. Yet
Philly humiliated Patrick Mahomes. They could not block the Eagles.
I mean, Saquon Barkley was almost irrelevant. The tush push
was his most activity. The d line, the total defense.
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It makes Nick Serianni this morning look like Belichick. Philadelphia's
GM has and uses all the level drafting, trading, free agency,
and it's a relentless pursuit of excellence. Very good is
not good enough. Look at their two picks. One is
a rookie, another one is a transformed special teams player.
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That is so Howie Roseman. Look at the touchdown passes.
One's a Heisman winner. One AJ Brown comes via a
massive trade. The only roster I've seen like this in
the last fifteen to twenty years was that Seahawk roster
when they had a similar quarterback, the elusive Russell Wilson
on the rookie contract. And remember we've seen this before.
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That Seahawk defense harassed and humiliated another legend, Peyton Manning.
That's what we watched yesterday. That was the lowest point
for Peyton Manning in his career. Well, yesterday, Mahomes was awful.
I mean, there's no shame losing to a great team.
But if you look at the box score, that's the
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most deceiving box score outside of the turnovers I've ever
seen for a quarterback. It says Patrick Mahomes twenty one
to thirty two in a passer rating of ninety five.
That is junk points, junk yards, and junk completions. He
had one first down in the first half on the
first play, and what was most disappointing is that he
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never seemed to sort of manipulate the game. But let's
just talk about Philadelphia here. They had more penalty yards
than Kansas City than actual yards in the first half.
Think about that. The Eagles had more points in the
first half than Kansas City actually had yards. It was
Peyton Manning facing that Seahawk defense. And we last week
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we said I think this Philadelphia roster is the best
since that Seahawks roster. And man did we say it
on display?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Now?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Maybe it was in verse where Seattle. You remember that
Seahawk team, the big win. They're gonna do too. Then
they and I don't know in what order Philadelphia is
gonna go, but I just watched a flurry, a defensive line,
rookie corners, a game plan, and Mahomes was completely out
of sorts. I mean, Philadelphia, this is what we thought
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they could be at their best. But throughout the course
of the season, I can remember in week eight, nine,
ten to eleven, We're like, there are quarters, they're amazing.
But remember early in the year they couldn't score in
the first quarter. Remember early in the year, we're like, man,
they have drives, how do they ever punt? But you'd
get like two drives a game. They put it all
together last night, the GM, the DC, the quarterback, the
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old line, the D line. They didn't even need sa
Kwan Barkley. And here was the young head coach after.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
This is the ultimate team game.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
You can't be great without the greatness of others. And
we uh great performance by everybody offense, defense, special teams.
Howie getting us the guys, our coaching staff, these great players.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
We didn't really ever care what anyone thought.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Aha we won or their opinions, all we want.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
To do is win.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
So let's talk Patrick Mahomes. For the record, He's now
just three and two in Super Bowls and Tom Brady
lost three of them by a total combined fifteen points.
Patrick Mahomes has lost two and the point differential is
minus forty and he has trailed in all five Super Bowls.
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And what really disappointed me he never manipulated the game.
He got rattled and frustrated, taken out of his game,
and had no second pitch. Tom Brady always found ways,
even when he had the second best roster in a
Super Bowl, he found ways at the line of scrimmage
to manipulate a defense, move the chains, at least be
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viable in field position. Anybody can win. Let's be honest.
With a full house or pocket aces, can you win
when you got a pair of sevens? And I felt
multiple times in AFC Championships or Super Bowls that Brady
actually had the second best roster and had to massage
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it and manipulate it and move the chains with his
pre snap excellence. With Mahomes two weeks to prepare with
Andy Reid, it feels like they had no second pitch
and his special secret power has always been his legs,
and once Philadelphia took that away, there was nothing else there.
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I don't remember Tom ever trailing thirty four to zero
in any game. And in the one Super Bowl where
Brady was getting rolled twenty eight to three, he came
back to win again. Brady had bad plays, bad quarters,
a bad half, bad moments. This was just awful. In fact,
Brady's biggest Super Bowl loss was that one possession game
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to the Eagles in which they never punted. So before
we get into that silly goat conversation, know that Brady's
superpower was the ability when he had the second best roster,
and we never thought, I mean New England constantly do
your job, it's about the team. They moved off really
good players. They didn't have a stacked roster. The Randy
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Moss team felt a little stacked offensively and they never
won a ring. But the early Brady, in the late Brady,
in the Tampa Brady was about manipulation, line of scrimmage,
moving the chains. Often when you had an offensive line
that was struggling or under duress or was being overwhelmed.
Two weeks with Andy Reid, I didn't even feel like
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I got a second pitch. You don't always get a
full house. Brady has never been that bad in a
big game, and at least when he struggled and he
had picked sixes in Super Bowls, you felt there was
a sense he was getting the most out of his roster.
If you look at the clear stats now of Mahomes
and Brady in Super Bowls, Let's be totally honest about this, Brad,
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he is elite. Patrick's passer rating is mid eighties. That's
what it is. Eighty six point nine, ten touchdowns, seven picks,
that's with two weeks to prepare. And that's with Andy Reid.
And again nobody's denying. Philadelphia is stacked. Go ask Peyton
Manning about that Seattle defense. But what's interesting is Brady
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faced that Seattle defense too, and he just kept manipulating
and manipulating and manipulating, and he trailed and he was behind,
and it looked like trouble. But Brady found a way
to just get first downs, eat the clock, find your
little weaknesses, the tiny little crevices. Against the Seahawks, all
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Brady had was a pair of seven against him. That's
all he had, and he just put his team in
a position to win. Yes, yes, yes he had to
rely on Malcolm Butler, but he put his team in
position to win. Mahomes couldn't put his team in position
to be competitive. I mean, I felt like I was
watching the same play over and over and over thirty
four nothing, And I never felt like that with Brady.
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Here's Mahomes after.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
That's the beauty of football is that you never can
be satisfied with just coming out there and playing and
thinking you're gonna have success year in and year out.
These defenses are going to continue to get better and better,
and so I have to get better, and so I
take a lot of ownership in that and I want
to hopefully come back and play better football.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
You know, it's interesting because I had Tom Brady on
my show Friday in New Orleans and we broke this
very subject. And it's interesting because you know, we all
know this is there are very few great rosters in
the NFL now because of salary cap. You can't do
the Pittsburgh Steelers in the mid seventies, like, you just
can't do that. It's hard to do the Joe Montana,
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Bill Walsh forty nine Ers, where you're like I don't
think they have any weaknesses. That's why what the Seahawks
did for that brief time on Russell Wilson's rookie contract,
You're like, this is insane, Or like when Brock Purty's
first year when Samford just go didn't have to pay
him because he was a seventh round quarterback, and you're like,
this isn't fair. Yes, Philadelphia's roster is great, and had
they won this, I get it. But there is the
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art of quarterback. It's not all legs and arms. And
Brady talked about this. Tom Brady talked about this Friday
on the show My.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
Last year, in My Last super Bowl is a part
of I was two weeks to watch in film Friday night.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I was just going through the film more.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
I knew Kansas City's defense better than they knew themselves.
I had the answers to the test. That's where I
was great. That's where my magic superpower was. It wasn't
how fast I could run, it was how fast I
could diagnose what they were doing. What's the special quality?
What's the Internet speed of me as a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Fast as.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yes, he was starlink before starlink, And that's what disappointed me.
It's not losing. There is no shame in losing to Philadelphia.
J Mack kept telling me all week that defensive lines trouble,
and I kept thinking, Joe Toney, great, Humphreys, they'll be fine.
It's Mahomes, it's Andy Alpha bye. But I you know,
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and this is not to just dump on Mahomes, but
he's gotten a lot of praise for years, but watching
that game made me realize how great Brady was. Peyton
Manning was completely undone by the Seahawks. Brady beat him.
Mahomes was completely undone by the Eagles defense. Now Brady
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found ways to beat a Seahawks team Manning great, Mahomes great,
That's that's Brady. A lot of you guys play poker.
You can't just win when you have the best hand.
It is about constantly bluffing and manipulating and trying to
marginalize their best and elevate yours. And I came out
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out of that game thinking, did we ever get how
good Tom was? And I'm not saying that, Listen, I'm
not saying that because he works for the company, But boy,
when you watch that game, I felt like Kansas City
had the same play and they run it twenty eight times.
It is what you do before the ball is snapped.
It can't just be that's cfr left tackle can block
him this time. The answers no for three and a
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half hours. J Mann, good stuff. Congratulations. You kept You know,
over the course of a season, we go about fifty
to fifty. I'm yelling at you and you're yelling at me.
But I could acknowledge yesterday by about the second drive
that early that well, you know, it's funny. There were
parts of that game and I forget if it was
like seventeen nothing and I'm like, it feels like it's
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thirty eight nothing, and then all of a sudden, the
damn breaks. Like I thought, Kansas City's defense did all
it could considering they were it was three out, three
and out, three and out, and Kansas City's defense is
essentially really for a half, maybe maybe half and half
a quarter, like they were really doing as good as
they could do. But Philadelphia felt like their stuff was
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mostly and when it didn't the next play did they
just they There is something to be said. I know
it's not just talent, but there is something to be
said that if I have overwhelming talent, and I'm smartly
coached and smartly quarterback. It's hard to beat there.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
I saw a joke that you know, Serena Williams participated
in the half times he did some dance and I
saw stat that she had more yards than she's had
in the first half during the halftime show. I mean, Colin,
I know we joke about seeing ghosts in the pocket.
You know, I remember the Samtarnald with the Jets. It
felt like Mahomes did not know what was going on.
He was anticipating pressure on a blitz and the Eagles
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never blitzed all night, didn't want blitz once they were
getting home before and he looked totally rattled. I've never
seen him that bad. The Super Bowl against the Bucks.
He was under pressure running for his life that.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
He lost a left tackle late in the season and
I almost gave him a pass on that one. This
is two weeks Philadelphia. By the way, this Philadelphia team
lost to Kirk Cousins early in the year. I mean,
if you go back to this Philadelphia team, what's interesting
and this is why football so great and baseball has
this too. Be very careful about September and October judging
this Philadelphia team could not score in the first quarter
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for like the it felt like the first until Thanksgiving
and we couldn't figure it out. We're like, how, But
it takes time to figure out what you can do.
And a lot of this goes to Jalen Hurts and
I want to talk about that coming up live in
Los Angeles, It's the.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
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Speaker 1 (14:36):
I spent a lot of time talking about general managers
in the NFL and how undervalued they are. Howie Roseman
been on that train for years. I think the executive
suite is the difference with the Lions roster, and the
difference between Kansas City and Buffalo, and the difference with Philadelphia.
The bottom line, the gap in this league is not
just coaches and quarterbacks, it's upstairs. Some teams I don't
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know what they're doing. The Eagles always do take big swings,
are very willing to roll the dice and it has
paid off clearly.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Although I love his temperament, and I think he's a
great kid. I've never really put Jalen Hurts in the
top six or seven quarterbacks because I don't think he's
a great pocket thrower. But maybe it's time to reevaluate processing, unifier, toughness, push, push.
What he does continually is play really really good football
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in the biggest moments. A lot of guys shrink. He elevates.
I was wrong on Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I didn't put Travis Kelcey in my top ten players
for the Super Bowl. It does feel like it's time.
He had two catchable balls, didn't produce. He did have
his turnback the clock game against Houston, didn't do anything
in the last two even the suit he war. I
don't know, just a little midlife crisis whatever. I don't know,
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but it does feel like we're seeing we're seeing a
tank that doesn't have a lot left in it. Where
Colin was wrong, You know, I thought the rookie cornerbacks
for the Eagles could be a liability. But boy today
deliver who knew that Toledo in Iowa is where great
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cornerbacks live, Fast, sticky, smart, physical, Cooper de gene quinnyon
Mitchell just outstanding. And what was really interesting if you
watch the highlights, is how often they could stay with
Kansas City's receivers all the way down the field. This
wasn't just about pressure. Mahomes did on occasion roll out
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and looked and by time and nobody.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Was still open where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Aaron Rodgers dumped by the Packers and now dump by
the Jets. Am I surprised they did it? Yes, but
I have said for years people close to Aaron who
are played with him, he can be moody. You're never
quite sure what you get in the building day to day.
And right now he's probably thirteenth, fourteenth, fifteen best quarterback
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in the league. And he's a little expensive for that.
And he is not despite what a handful of friends say,
he's not a great unifier. He flew to New York,
according to Jay Glazer, thinking he was going to be
the quarterback, and the second NFL franchise said we're going to.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Move on where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Deebo Samuel, everybody laments the future of running backs. I
believe a quarterback's best friend is an a line and
a run game not a needy wide receiver. I like Debo,
he's a good player, but it's kind of become a
cliche now, the receiver that needs touches and attention in
the end. Running backs don't. Their careers are shorter. It's
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almost like they're more appreciative a Deebo Samuel. Once they
drafted Ricky Pearsall felt like he was no longer part
of the San Francisco forty nine.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Ers future where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
He has way wrong on Nick Sirian. He never loved
his methodology and yelling at fans and confrontations on the bench.
But you know what, two super bowls in three years
he feels You know what, can I say? The team
likes him, the city likes him, the coaches like him. Yeah,
he's a little bit emotional. Well so was Bill Parcells.
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I made a mistake of thinking that everybody coaches the same,
and they don't. You know, there's creative guys like Andy Reid,
there's more rigid guys like Bill Belichick. There's more emotional
guys like Dan Campbell and Nick Siriani, and then there's
more stoic guys throughout the league. So everybody coaches different,
and I have learned.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
My lesson where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Huh, Joe l. Embiid might need another knee surgery. I've
never understood Embiid. He didn't play his first two years
in the league because of injuries. They had injury concerns
coming out of Kansas. Why is everybody denying the truth?
When biggs are hurt early, they're hurt often. And he's
a tremendous player, but as we saw in the Olympics,
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he does at times have real problems playing well with others. Yes,
he's talented, Yes there's some components that make him look
a little like Shack. But in the end, they've always
like denied the injury stuff and once again he no
longer plays in back to backs. Injury issue surface Where
Colin was right, I said, I thought Jimmy Butler to
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the Warriors would happen and should happen. He makes them
more interesting. But I also think there's a physical component
to his game. He was part of a Warrior's blowout
win over Chicago. Steph Curry talked about his importance and
now Steph said, he's almost the opposite of me, so
it's a good fit.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
I think the idea.
Speaker 8 (19:49):
He's like the exact opposite player of me, which is
kind of funny. Like I'm shooting sixteen threes, he shout
one and got to the freed.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Theow line a lot.
Speaker 8 (19:57):
He's dominating the paying them, dominating outside the perimeter, guys
working around. This is as a potential to be really,
really fune.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
The Warriors needed some juice. Jimmy Butler is absolutely that.
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Football season's over for a while. We got some Luca
Lebron baby Lakers rolling live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. I don't
want to hear the Jazz are no good. Keep your
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eye on the jazz, bright future Jmac. Lakers won twelve
or fourteen. Now Luca is playing with new guys. You know,
Luca got hurt. He's been out since Christmas. So there's
I'm not I was watching the last night. I'm taking
What am I doing with Luke? He's not dropping forty tonight.
He needs time to get back into shape. But boy,
that first half of the Lakers Austin Reeves, Lebron and Luca.
Speaker 11 (22:18):
Austin Reeves, Now you like him? Huh? He's your guy,
all right? Seventy two and a half for the Lakers. Oh,
they're going to the finals.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Cowherd, Well, let's just start with this. That's a little hot.
That's a little hot this morning. But when I hear this, yeah,
I don't know if Lebron and Luca are gonna work together.
Go back to Miami. D Wade and Lebron. That wasn't
a good fit. Both need the ball to excel. Neither
are great shooters. They were just two great athletes and
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they ended up getting the four straight finals. Stephan Katie
and Klay Thompson one ball. Three guys that need it
last night, Lebron and the Lakers second highest plus minus
for Lebron this season, and the Lakers had their second
highest point title Between the Warriors, the Heatles and Lebron
and Luca. What a all three have in common in basketball?
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Smart guys figure it out. A lot of stars, can't.
They lack self awareness, right, the egos, the lack of
self awareness. I mean, the OKC Westbrook mellow thing, it
just didn't work. Katie Steph Clay worked, the Heatles worked,
Lebron and Luke Austin reeves it's gonna work. I mean
last night before the game, Lebron's like, don't worry about
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fitting in, will work around you, just go score. And
I think that's Chemistry is an issue when you have
selfish guys and insecure guys and guys with no self awareness.
You know, Harden and Kyrie playing with Katie and Brooklyn.
Katie was great, the other two guys were pained. They
hurt chemistry. So Lebron and Luca are engaged, They're smart,
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they have huge brands, so they're very very secure in
who they are. Both excellent passers. The only weird part
for me is how the hell is Lebron still this good.
What's in that whine he's drinking? I swear he looks
like he's in year twelve or thirteen. Lebron's amazing. But
if you go back to the Heatls in Miami, they
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didn't have any size Joel Anthony, remember him, Joel Anthony
was a sixty nine and a half center. They had
no true point guard. But it was one of the
smartest teams I've ever seen. Shane Battier, Ray Allen, Lebron, Haslam.
I mean, it's just everybody, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade. They
just made it work. Draymond, Steph Clay, you know KD.
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Smart guys just make it work. So now Lucas rusty Okay,
never played with these guys. I don't care about practice,
never played game speed with these guys. Hasn't played in
a long time. And the Lakers do have an issue,
and it's a real issue. They have no rint protection.
Jackson Hayes is a fun guy on alley oops, and
you saw a lot of alley oops last night, but they
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don't have any rim protection. So when the Mark Williams
deal from Carolina did not go through, the Charlotte deal
that's kind of a bummer. Now, like Robert Williams, who
the Celtics had for years, didn't He wasn't available very much,
but when he was available, he changed the temperature in
the room. So they're gonna have to address that on
the market and see if they can find somebody. But
I'll say this about the Lakers last night, when I
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watched them, especially in the first half, because they put
the game away in the first half, it felt young,
It felt fun, it felt fresh. I looked it up
this morning. Ten more threes. They took ten more threes
than average. There were more alley oops, you know what,
three pointers everywhere again Austin Reeves, Lebron and Luca. Yes
they all need the ball, but you know what, smart
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guys figured out. And Staples was roaring all the Luca jerseys.
I think this thing is gonna be excellent. And I'll
get to it a second why I think they can
win the West. But here was Luca and JJ Reddick.
Speaker 12 (25:52):
After there was a little nervous before. I remember when
was the last time I was nerves before the game?
So but once this time, when the core it was
it was fun and just being on there again felt amazing.
It's new team, near everything, but like the way they
helped me, teammates Rob Jenny Jenny, it was just a
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lot of support for me. You can see why I'm
coming to Arena. I saw the Luca jerseys. It was
just surreal feeling. Sometimes you can have agendas in a game.
I felt like this for our group was just a
no agenda game beyond winning a basketball game and play
the right way with our three guys who are going
to be our primary creators. Like they all did it
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really well and I think our guys will get accustomed
to the Luca passes for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Listen, the Lakers felt like they went from analog to
digital and if you look at the Western Conference standings,
why can't they get there? Memphis is number two. I
don't trust them. They play very fast, great pacing. I'm
not sure if that transfers to the playoffs. Denver is
horrific defensively now Jamal Murray's healthy again. In Well, they're
a bad defensive team. The Rockets can't shoot super young.
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I think they're a regular season team. I think they'll
be a one and done in the playoffs. Clippers, do
you really trust them?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
So?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I look at the West. The best team I've seen
in the NBA by a long shot is the Celtics.
I watch them hammer the Knicks again. Boston's the best
team in the league. OKC is very good that I
won't deny, and I'm not sure if the Lakers can
beat them, although it feels like to me they've matched
up with him pretty well the last couple of years
with Ad and Lebron. So my takeaway is I watched
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last night. It was a lot of threes, a lot
of alley oops. It's only going to get better. I mean,
Luke hasn't played in forever. First game with the guys.
I think if they could figure out I said that before.
If the Mark Williams thing would have gone through, I
would have had no problem saying Lakers in the final.
I don't know if they can beat Boston, probably not,
but I think they could get there. I don't know
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if they can win the West, but I'm watching all that. Listen.
It's an offensive sport, right, I mean, defense matters, but
people get frustrated when Jason Tatum doesn't take the game
over offensively, not defensively. So I'm reading this story about
the Super Bowl ratings and one hundred and twenty six
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million viewers for the Super Bowl fifty nine. First of all,
it's more than that, but it's hard to track how
many people actually watch the Nielsen ratings. They do count
out of home viewers, but you don't really have an
exact count on that. You're kind of guessing. At some point,
I think it probably was closer to one hundred and
thirty six million. And the second thing is this wasn't
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Let's be totally honest about this, it wasn't a good game.
The peak of the rating was in the second quarter.
What if it had been an overtime game, could you
get to one hundred and thirty to thirty five million.
But there's a lot of reasons why I think the
NFL keeps extending their season and adding games because there's
an insatiable appetite for it. We never get tired of it.
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And the other thing is there's a reason they keep
playing games now in Australia and they're going to go
to Brazil again, and they're going to go they won
the US market. If you dominate America, spread your wings.
So when people complain about games overseas, why not they
own the country, and I think there's a lot of
reasons why the NFL is king. It's a once a
week sport. But that's always been true. But we didn't
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have the iPhone and TikTok in the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties.
We are a very, very distracted nation. It is harder
to get people's attention Monday through Friday, and the NFL
is a once a week game. The second thing is
it's a really good television product, not just because I
work at Fox. NBCCBS ABC are great too, but the
production of the television product is outstanding. The other thing,
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it's relatable football players. There is no load management. They
plan the snow, they plan the wind, they plan the rain.
Like the rest of us. They just go to work
when they're not one hundred percent. It's totally relatable. The
other thing is they make big changes regularly. They bailed
on Oakland, they upgraded to Vegas. They bailed on San Diego.
I know it hurts. They upgraded in LA, they bailed
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on Saint Louis. They'd bail on Jacksonville tomorrow if they could.
They're not gonna be burdened by tradition. They're they're not
gonna worry about what the hardcore traditionalist and the romantic thinks.
They're gonna take swings in the ball, and I think
they constantly pivot on rule changes. Baseball struggles with that.
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Basketball makes changes sometimes though they feel a little bit
like they're out of desperation. Last week they're talking about
shorter quarters. Who's ever worried about how long a quarter is?
We worry that you got too many games or load management,
and so I think there's a lot of reason for
the changes. I just think, more than anything, it's a
very well run league by adults. Agents run baseball, players
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run the NBA. Economically, it is two times the size
of the NBA, yet feels like it's nimble like a sailboat.
It can turn quickly during a Super Bowl. Rule changes
always will to change, And somebody told me this years
ago that anytime there's a change, basketball thinks of it first.
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Baseball makes the most money out of it, and football
gets it right. And I think the NFL, more than
any league, just consistently gets it right when changes are needed.
They don't pander agents and the players don't run the league.
They're like every good company I've ever worked for. And
none of the companies I've ever worked for that are
very well run are run by the employees. They value
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the employees, they pay the employees, they treat the employees. Well,
it's not run by the employees. I should not be
running Fox. I should not be running it. I'm treated well.
I shouldn't be running it. And so there you go.
The number is huge. I think it's probably bigger than that.
And it was not a very competitive game. We got
a lot of things. Nick Wright joins us in fifty minutes.
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It's been a very rough forty eight hours for Nick.
You know, he was due for a bad weekend, j Mac,
He was due.
Speaker 11 (31:58):
Can I give you a peek behind the curtain.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
One of our smart producers hit me up this morning,
was like, hey, can you bring in a violin to
play during the Nick Wright segment? And I tried to
find a violin this morning, No dice, but I yeah,
we feel bad for him. You know, it's just it's
tough for this chief.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I barely slept last year.
Speaker 11 (32:14):
I tried to tell them they weren't a good team
all season record, be damn.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
You, you were right, and they looked awful. If you
go back to that Houston game that was choppy.
Speaker 11 (32:22):
We're a very friendly whistle, there shall we say.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
I'll ask, though, Colin, like, where was the leadership on
the sideline when they were getting their butts kicked twenty
four to nothing. You know, there's a lot of video
out there of Tom Brady in that Atlanta Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, fired up the troop, let's go, come.
Speaker 11 (32:37):
On, guy, We're not done. And I saw none of that.
You know, the chief just looks shell shocked, like.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Wait, we're not winning, We're not winning, we're not coming
close to winning.
Speaker 11 (32:44):
It was kind of embarrassing.
Speaker 13 (32:46):
Where's the leadership?
Speaker 11 (32:47):
Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, I didn't see it, did you?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Well?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I don't look to my coaches for that. They got
a headset on or they're trying to maneuver. I think
I think players have to inspire players. I think generationally
it means more coming from another player. If a great
player's on the sideline at twenty eight years old, marketing
at a twenty five year old, I think that has
incredible impact. I don't think coach marketed a player. Coaches
market players. It's called practice. And so when you get
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into a game, I do think it's up to players
to help motivate players. There's a lot of tape of
Troy Aikman, He's on his players, Peyton Manning on his players,
and I think there's value. I mean, I've seen Lamar
Jackson on the sideline talking to his own line, getting
guys fired up. That stuff matters.
Speaker 11 (33:28):
Something for Mahomes to work on in the offseason.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, a couple of things. Gotta get a left tackle, baby.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
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Speaker 1 (33:44):
Nick Wright's gonna be joining us. He's a trooper. He's
gonna be joining us here in a couple of minutes.
And I thought I would start j Mac You'll you'll
get a kick out of this. Connor or Sports Illustrate
excellent Young a journalist only deals in fact acknowledges. He
believes that the Chiefs in twenty twenty five will miss
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the Super Bowl each of the next two seasons, and
he talks about how the Patriots had several gaps in
Super Bowls. He said, it's not anti Andy Reider. Patrick
Mahomes great players get old fast, and role players are
hard to keep around. And the draft, even by the
best GMS is like a sixty to forty fifty to
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fifty proposition. After the first couple of rounds, you're rolling
the dice on draft picks. And so again, this is
an excellent journalist that only deals in facts. Connor Or
saying that, so, I there are things that I think
you have to be honest about. Let's not do like
recency bias. But mahomes number one weapon the last three
years have been Travis Kelcey kind of looks cooked. He's
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thirty six years old in the last couple of games,
not really yet. So you know, the classic sports muscle
car can't be your primary car. Like it's time. Number
two is in a very mediocre draft. They're going to
get They need a tackle, and they'll probably get the
fifth to sixth best tackle because that positions so valuable,
and unless they compromise and sacrifice draft picks, they're not
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getting one of the better left tackles. They also need
a tight end, and the two best ones will be taken.
The other thing is the division. We got to be
honest now, Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh. We saw what Harbad
did in one year. We saw Bo Nicks as a
rookie Sean Payton, I'm sorry, it matters. That's the best
coaching division in football. That's not even arguable. That is
the best coaching division in football. The other thing is
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we saw Jim Harbaugh do this at San Francisco, at
Michigan and with the Chargers in one year he turned
him around. This year they have sixty five million in
cap space. The Chargers got to the playoffs with a
rookie slot receiver as a really elite weapon. That was it.
So they got a lot of cap space. And what
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the Chargers need is a defensive tackle and running backs.
And the two positions in the draft that are absolutely
stacked our defensive tackle and running back. And because of
their draft position, they'll get the first or second best
tight end in the draft, which they need. And here's
the other thing, and we got to be honest about this,
Mahomes next year is going to be a twenty four
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percent cap hit. Twenty four percent of Kansas City's cap
is going to be Mahomes. He's going to be making
sixty six large. Tom Brady was never over fourteen it matters.
It matters. I know the CAP's going up, but it matters.
Tom Brady, on average, was a ten to twelve percent
cap hit. That's why those Patriot teams never had units
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that were bad. They were never terrible anywhere. In the
two blowout losses to Kansas City and the Super Bowl,
they're bad at left tackle, They're just bad. The Patriots
were never awful anywhere, didn't matter kicker, punter, quarterback, left tack,
all the key positions, they were at least B plus
and a lot of that was Brady sacrificed. Tom talked
about this last week. It is damn hard to win
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these Super Bowls.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
What I realized early in my career about Super Bowls was, man,
we won my first year, Like, what's the big deal is?
It's like I went to college, we played Norge Bowl,
I won, We went to the Citrus Bowl, we won.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Okay, now I'm in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
We won, all right, what's the big We didn't have
a great seat in two thousand and two. We won
in two thousand and three, what's the big deal? We
won in two thousand and four, what's the big deal?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Right?
Speaker 6 (37:22):
Then you go to two thousand and seven and you lose,
And then you go to twenty eleven and you get
to the Super Bowl after're having a great team in
twenty ten and we lose, and it was just like, wow,
this is way harder.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
We went ten years between winning.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, it's really hard, very very difficult. They were in
good health, and then the ticker went not to mention
how long is Andy Reid gonna coach? I know this
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is somber, solemn. Nick Wright is now joining US lives.
Speaker 14 (38:15):
That's probably your best comedy bit in years. And you
know what is a staple of the best of the
best comedians what they incorporate some of their old classics
into their new material. So you had a lot of
new stuff there, But then you went back to one
of the classic cowardisms, which is next year is the
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year Justin Herbert breaks through.
Speaker 13 (38:42):
I mean that, I mean set your watch to it.
And by the way, I.
Speaker 14 (38:45):
Do think you had the Chiefs because they're drafting thirty
two or thirty one pardon me, unable to draft anyone
of need. And I think you had the Chargers because
they're drafting twenty one getting the best running back d
tackle and in the draft it is unbelievable. The Chargers,
to their credit, who you know, did have to go
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through the season with a rookie wide receiver as their
number one option. Can you imagine making the Super Bowl
in back to back years with a rookie wide receiver
being your number one option? I can't probably never be done. No,
I mean, listen, listen.
Speaker 13 (39:22):
It is.
Speaker 14 (39:24):
The Chiefs and me deserve a lot of criticism for
the performance on Sunday.
Speaker 13 (39:32):
Spinning that forward into.
Speaker 14 (39:35):
This team being cooked is I think a bridge too
far even for you, Like I don't. Maybe you've been
hanging out with Jmack too often off the air and
he's been spitting that poison in your ear. But they
still go into next season the overwhelming favorites in the
AFC West, and they go into next season better positioned
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than any other team in the AFC. Now, it's hard
to get to a super Bowl every single year.
Speaker 13 (40:03):
I get that.
Speaker 14 (40:04):
But I think you're writing the obituary a tad too soon,
my friend.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Okay, the one thing I did I did say is that,
and I mean, you've never denied that Brady's great. That's
one of the great things you've always said. The guy's ridiculous.
I mean, it's literally the second part of his career.
He was arguably better than Elway's entire career. Right. But
the one thing I'll say about Tom, and having lived
in Connecticut during his reign, is that we used to
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always talk about this, if he had the second best
poker hand, he could still win the hand. He didn't
have to have pocket aces. And now now in fairness,
last year, I didn't I think the last couple of
years the Chiefs didn't have a loaded roster, but I
would say that in the Super Bowl losses, let's just
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talk about this one. I didn't feel I felt like
I was watching the same play over and over, and
I didn't feel Mahomes adjusted a lot. Maybe that's andy read,
but it did. I watched it and I thought, God,
Tom would have just moved the chains short. He kept
sitting in the pocket the same place. I thought Patrick
really played terribly.
Speaker 14 (41:14):
I listen, I think it was one of the worst
games of Patrick's career. But we're not This again is
where I just have to be the arbiter of fairness, Okay,
or if one wants to argue that, And again, Brady
is the most accomplished player ever, the goat at this
position and of the sport. And because of this loss,
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it's going to take Patrick an immense amount of time
to have a chance to catch him, because this was
the opportunity to do something Tom never did.
Speaker 13 (41:45):
That is all true. Here's what is also true.
Speaker 14 (41:49):
We are now revisionist historing how Tom Brady's playoff defeat
when going for a three peat went. It was not
in the super Bowl, with the decisive play being a
pick six. It was in the divisional round to Jake Plummer,
with the decisive play being a pick six. And I
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know that the Michael Jordan propaganda machine has convinced people
that losing in round one or round two is actually
better than winning those rounds and then losing in the
championship round.
Speaker 13 (42:24):
But that, of course is ludicrous.
Speaker 14 (42:27):
And so the idea, you're right that Tom never had
this pore of a performance in a super Bowl.
Speaker 13 (42:35):
That is unquestioned.
Speaker 14 (42:36):
But Tom had, as every quarterback ever had brutal performances
that prevented his team from getting two super Bowls.
Speaker 13 (42:46):
Patrick's never had that. And so we can go tit
for Tad on these things.
Speaker 14 (42:51):
And I had to listen yesterday to Joe Montana four
and zero in Super Bowls, and that is true. It
is also true that in the dead middle of his
prime eighty five, eighty six, eighty seven. Those three years,
Joe Montana in three consecutive playoff games, had three consecutive
Round one or first game defeats, and had zero touchdowns
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over a three year span. Cumulatively in the playoffs three
straight blowoufs, including a forty nine to three, but because
they happened in round one, they don't count. I don't
buy into that. I never have Patrick played very poorly.
Yesterday he now joins the list of every single quarterback
in NFL history, of which he wasn't previously on where
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he played his worst game of the year in the
biggest spot of the year. But I think we are
writing the obituary as you literally are a tad too soon.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Yeah, well, I think there. I do have Kansas City
being a wild card team next year, so I think
they're still So.
Speaker 14 (43:56):
You had him this year. I think that's what you
had him last year. This year the wild card every year.
Every year is going to be the Chargers year. And
did you say Pete Carroll. I like Pete Carroll too.
Does that team have a quarterback yet? I'm just kidding, like,
literally on the roster do they have a quarterback? Is
it Aid and O'Connell. I don't think that. I don't
think Pete Carroll's gonna move the chains with Aid and O'Connell.
Speaker 13 (44:18):
That's just me. It is.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
I said this yesterday about the Eagles, though. If Saquon
Barkley got hurt next year, cross your fingers and they
lose two free agents and it's more of a Jalen
Hurts offense, they wouldn't look the same there. I mean, listen,
this is a sport with regulated level of violence. I
think the Chiefs will rebuild. They'll be fine. They need
to left tackle, they need a running back. You know,
they just have to hit some draft picks. They're prone
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to do that. I do think the Andy Reid thing
is real, is that I could see Andy with two
more great runs and just say, listen, man, I got
four or five of these things, I'm out. And then,
as you know, even the great organizations miss on head
coaches fifty percent of the time. Is there part of
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you that wonders the Andy thing is what worries you
more than players?
Speaker 14 (45:08):
Oh, listen, I mean, and I one thousand percent and
Patrick leading up to the game, when he was asked,
you know, basically, how long can this keep up? His
answer was, as long as Andy's still here the whole team.
Speaker 13 (45:23):
You know what I mean. It gives him the respect
and credit he deserves. Here is.
Speaker 14 (45:29):
The reason I am not incredibly.
Speaker 13 (45:32):
Concerned about that.
Speaker 14 (45:33):
First of all, in the short term, we know he's
coming back at least next year, and I would imagine,
as you're saying he's coming back for two or three
more years, he is just about to start a five year,
one hundred million dollar contract.
Speaker 13 (45:48):
So even if he doesn't finish that, you have this time.
Speaker 14 (45:51):
The other reason that I am less concerned is if
he were to signal that he was going into what
would be the last year of his career, this immediately
becomes the most coveted coaching job in modern NFL history,
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Like it would be the most coveted job since the Bucks.
I'm sorry, the Colts fire Jim Mora. The answer to
that's probably right. But even in that moment, Peyton obviously
had not accomplished ten percent of what Patrick already has,
and so I do think they will be fine. I
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also would not act as if losing the guy who
I believe to be one of the three greatest coaches
in the history of the sport and the greatest offensive
mine in the history of the sport. You know what,
wouldn't be a significant, significant loss. But that is much
further down the road than you know this or next season.
Speaker 13 (46:54):
At least I.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Believe lost a little bit lost in Luke going to
the Lakers. Is how insane Lebron has played this year.
It looks like you're thirteen.
Speaker 13 (47:05):
It's unbelieved, it's.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
It's incredible, and it very much is Brady in Tampa
where you're like, is he still a top four quarterback
when he was forty four?
Speaker 13 (47:15):
Like?
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Right, I mean he left and the next year you're like,
I think he's still top four or five? What do
you make we know? I'll get to Luke in a second.
How do you explain Lebron he's better than last year?
What is it?
Speaker 9 (47:31):
So?
Speaker 14 (47:32):
I mean, listen, I think there is a natural benefit
to truly and I think this is being proven out
in real time literally being the greatest athlete, and I
just mean raw athleticism, maybe in world history, like you
can say, oh, you found a way to be hyperbolic, like,
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I don't know who he's competing.
Speaker 13 (47:55):
With on that. Yeah, as far as.
Speaker 14 (47:57):
Heightweight, speed, long ngevity, durability, all of it over a
twenty five year stretch. Like, I honestly don't know who
was the corner. Gosh darn it, I shouldn't ask it.
There was a corner that he played for Washington. He
played for like Daryl Green Green, like Daryl Green. I
was like, I don't know, like as he was on
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that same list, I don't know, but regardless. So the
reason I bring that up is Lebron is right now
seventy five percent of the athlete he was ten years ago,
but seventy five percent of prime Lebron is still more
athletic than ninety five percent of the rest of the league.
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So because of that, he's been able to stave off
the aging curve a bit. You then add to it,
he's a better shooter. Yeah, these last two years than
any point of his career. The IQ is still you know,
obviously not going anywhere. And what I think we've seen
the last couple of weeks is the power of hope
and the power of belief. You saw in the Olympics,
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Colin Lebron was like, all right, these might be the
last really consequential games of my basketball life.
Speaker 13 (49:14):
And you saw him on the.
Speaker 14 (49:15):
Global stage be the best player in the entire tournament
night in night outs, good point, and then you saw
this year when it's like, wait a minute, we're actually
a little bit better than I expected. JJ's doing a
great job. If I'm able to carry us when Anthony
Davis is out, maybe that gets the team to make
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one of these around the fringes deadline moves we want
them to make, and maybe we can steal a finals appearance.
And then instead of that, they trade for a top
three player in the world. And now I think Lebron
is like, oh my god, I can win a championship
like me. And if Luca can take Kyrie and role
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players to the championship, can take their championship. Roun take
a young Jalen Brunson in role players to the conference finals.
What if I, all of a sudden can actually hand
the offense off to someone else, actually not see the
team go to die when I go to the bench,
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actually be rested going into the playoffs, And what the
Lakers are going to have problems defensively and the lack
of the you know, they traded for Mark Williams for
a reason, they got rescinded. But you have the highest
IQ duo in league history now on the on a
team We've never had two players uh with this passing
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ability plus IQ playing together so offensively, it's going to
be a top three team and I think Lebron knows
what that means for.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
For the record, does Jimmy Butler do anything for the Warriors?
I mean, I think it makes them much more interesting.
I thought the NBA missed the play in. Yeah, I
think the NBA had a great week. The Lucas the
Butler thing, dearon Fox to winby I thought the league
had a great week. Does Butler do anything for that team?
Still playing team to us?
Speaker 14 (51:07):
I mean, well, I mean I think that without him
they were going to risk at risk of missing the
play in, right, and the Warriors have been in the
play in and lost previously. I think without him they
were going to be at certainly not only at risk,
but probably a favorite to miss the actual eight team postseason.
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Now I fully expect them to be in the playoffs.
Speaker 13 (51:36):
I don't know that.
Speaker 14 (51:38):
I think I think their ceiling is round is a
round one victory.
Speaker 13 (51:43):
I do think that.
Speaker 14 (51:44):
I just I think that Steph is still really good.
But night tonight now Steph also, by the way, has
been playing his best basketball as of late, maybe invigorated
by the trade as well. They the only chance they
have of making any real noise is if the way
Steph has played the last couple weeks, if he can
keep that up. I also think that Jimmy, you know,
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Jimmy is not night Tonight that reliable when it comes
to an injury risk. So they are an very old
injury concerned team. But I am a fervent believer.
Speaker 13 (52:22):
That if you happen to have one of the.
Speaker 14 (52:25):
Ten to twelve greatest players in the history of the
league still playing at a high level, you have an
obligation to go all in every year. It is irresponsible
to worry about the future you are your only obligation
is to write now. So I think the Warriors did
right by Steph here, even if it's not a real
needle mover when it comes to winning a championship.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
So maybe we were a little premature on the headstone.
I will say, however, is if they don't hit on
some of these draft picks. Drafting thirty first, it's a
little scary.
Speaker 14 (53:01):
Drafting thirty first, that's the best position we've been in
three years. You're usually stuck in the thirty two hole.
Think about it. And by the way, keep in mind
they all the Chiefs also have They have the thirty
first pick, the sixty third pick, and then like the
sixty sixth pick because they got that from Tennessee and
Tennessee finished with one of the worst rugs in football.
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So we're loaded to bear headed into the draft. Tell
you that right now, maybe we trade for Micah Parsons.
Who knows, I Colin, I'll leave you on this. The Chiefs,
we all know, since Patrick's been there seven years, they
have a two game one or two game season. It
starts in the conference championship round. Two years they've gone
oh to one. Both years they made massive changes. One
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year after going oh to one, they fired the de coordinator,
brought in Spags. One year after going oh on one,
they traded Tyreek Hill. Three years they've gone to and oh,
we know what you do after that.
Speaker 13 (53:58):
You hold a parade. Now twice go on one and one.
Speaker 14 (54:02):
The first time they did it, they remade the offensive line.
I'm very curious what they do the second time, because
one and one doesn't cut it. In Kansas City. It's
a five hundred season. It's really embarrassing. So I don't
blame you for poking fun, but they will make a
major adjustment. I don't know what it'll be, but it's
not going to be quiet this offseason in Kansas City.
Speaker 13 (54:25):
I promise you.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
That I'm right, Nick Wright. First things first, he's bruised,
a bit battered, but still shows up.
Speaker 14 (54:32):
You know what, look if the sports gods, I must
have been a great person in a previous life because
the fact that the day after my lowest moment of
my adult life as a football fan, I get to
watch my large adult Slovenian son Luka Ancic team up
with Lebron James.
Speaker 13 (54:51):
And it's not in a fever dream. I mean, I'm
right back, baby.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
I am so back, and it was fun to watch
last night at the Stafles. Good seeing you, Nick Wright,
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Here we go. It is a Monday, the day after
the Super Bowl live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day, Jamax. By
any standards, this was not one of the more memorable
Super Bowls unless your favorite color is green. Unless you're
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the Philadelphia Eagles. I know you love the Eagles. That
is totally understand you, baby damn well, there are a
lot of angles on this. I'll say this, it's the
only Super Bowl I've ever watched where there were four
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MVP's minimum. Howie Roseman, the general manager, Vic Fangio, the
defensive coordinator, Jalen Hurts, the quarterback who won it for
the Eagles, and the entire defensive line. It was so
dominating it has to have a ripple effect. On the
Dallas Cowboys and the Niners and the Rams and the
Packers and how they draft. Does it not like, how
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do you block that? I mean it was really really
good during the regular season. What was that? I mean,
we taught quarterbacks all the time on the show. Yet
Philly humiliated Patrick Mahomes. They could not block the Eagles.
I mean, Saquon Barkley was almost irrelevant. The tush push
was his most activity. The d line, the total defense.
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It makes Nick Serianni this morning look like Belichick. Philadelphia's
GM has and uses all the level drafting, trading, free agency,
and it's a relentless pursuit of excellence. Very good is
not good enough. Look at their two picks. One is
a rookie, another one is a transformed special teams player.
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That is so Howie Roseman. Look at the touchdown passes.
One's a Heisman winner. One AJ Brown comes via a
massive trade. The only roster I've seen like this in
the last fifteen to twenty years was that Seahawk roster
when they had a similar quarterback, the elusive Russell Wilson
on the rookie contract. And remember we've seen this before.
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That Seahawk defense harassed and humiliated another legend, Peyton Manning.
That's what we watched yesterday. That was the lowest point
for Peyton Manning in his career. Well, yesterday, Mahomes was awful.
I mean, there's no shame losing to a great team.
But if you look at the box score, that's the
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most deceiving box score outside of the turnovers I've ever
seen for a quarterback. It says Patrick Mahomes twenty one
to thirty two in a passer rating of ninety five.
That is junk points, junk yards, and junk completions. He
had one first down in the first half on the
first play, and what was most disappointing is that he
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never seemed to sort of manipulate the game. But let's
just talk about Philadelphia here. They had more penalty yards
than Kansas City than actual yards in the first half.
Think about that. The Eagles had more points in the
first half than Kansas City actually had yards. It was
Peyton Manning facing that Seahawk defense. And we last week
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we said I think this Philadelphia roster is the best
since that Seahawks roster. And man did we say it
on display?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Now?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Maybe it was in verse where Seattle. You remember that
Seahawk team, the big win. They're gonna do too. Then
they and I don't know in what order Philadelphia is
gonna go, but I just watched a flurry, a defensive line,
rookie corners, a game plan, and Mahomes was completely out
of sorts. I mean, Philadelphia, this is what we thought
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they could be at their best. But throughout the course
of the season, I can remember in week eight, nine,
ten to eleven, We're like, there are quarters, they're amazing.
But remember early in the year they couldn't score in
the first quarter. Remember early in the year, we're like, man,
they have drives, how do they ever punt? But you'd
get like two drives a game. They put it all
together last night, the GM, the DC, the quarterback, the
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old line, the D line. They didn't even need sa
Kwan Barkley. And here was the young head coach after.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
This is the ultimate team game.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
You can't be great without the greatness of others. And
we uh great performance by everybody offense, defense, special teams.
Howie getting us the guys, our coaching staff, these great players.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
We didn't really ever care what anyone thought.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Aha we won or their opinions, all we want.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
To do is win.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
So let's talk Patrick Mahomes. For the record, He's now
just three and two in Super Bowls and Tom Brady
lost three of them by a total combined fifteen points.
Patrick Mahomes has lost two and the point differential is
minus forty and he has trailed in all five Super Bowls.
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And what really disappointed me he never manipulated the game.
He got rattled and frustrated, taken out of his game,
and had no second pitch. Tom Brady always found ways,
even when he had the second best roster in a
Super Bowl, he found ways at the line of scrimmage
to manipulate a defense, move the chains, at least be
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viable in field position. Anybody can win. Let's be honest.
With a full house or pocket aces, can you win
when you got a pair of sevens? And I felt
multiple times in AFC Championships or Super Bowls that Brady
actually had the second best roster and had to massage
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it and manipulate it and move the chains with his
pre snap excellence. With Mahomes two weeks to prepare with
Andy Reid, it feels like they had no second pitch
and his special secret power has always been his legs,
and once Philadelphia took that away, there was nothing else there.
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I don't remember Tom ever trailing thirty four to zero
in any game. And in the one Super Bowl where
Brady was getting rolled twenty eight to three, he came
back to win again. Brady had bad plays, bad quarters,
a bad half, bad moments. This was just awful. In fact,
Brady's biggest Super Bowl loss was that one possession game
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to the Eagles in which they never punted. So before
we get into that silly goat conversation, know that Brady's
superpower was the ability when he had the second best roster,
and we never thought, I mean New England constantly do
your job, it's about the team. They moved off really
good players. They didn't have a stacked roster. The Randy
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Moss team felt a little stacked offensively and they never
won a ring. But the early Brady, in the late Brady,
in the Tampa Brady was about manipulation, line of scrimmage,
moving the chains. Often when you had an offensive line
that was struggling or under duress or was being overwhelmed.
Two weeks with Andy Reid, I didn't even feel like
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I got a second pitch. You don't always get a
full house. Brady has never been that bad in a
big game, and at least when he struggled and he
had picked sixes in Super Bowls, you felt there was
a sense he was getting the most out of his roster.
If you look at the clear stats now of Mahomes
and Brady in Super Bowls, Let's be totally honest about this, Brad,
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he is elite. Patrick's passer rating is mid eighties. That's
what it is. Eighty six point nine, ten touchdowns, seven picks,
that's with two weeks to prepare. And that's with Andy Reid.
And again nobody's denying. Philadelphia is stacked. Go ask Peyton
Manning about that Seattle defense. But what's interesting is Brady
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faced that Seattle defense too, and he just kept manipulating
and manipulating and manipulating, and he trailed and he was behind,
and it looked like trouble. But Brady found a way
to just get first downs, eat the clock, find your
little weaknesses, the tiny little crevices. Against the Seahawks, all
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Brady had was a pair of seven against him. That's
all he had, and he just put his team in
a position to win. Yes, yes, yes he had to
rely on Malcolm Butler, but he put his team in
position to win. Mahomes couldn't put his team in position
to be competitive. I mean, I felt like I was
watching the same play over and over and over thirty
four nothing, And I never felt like that with Brady.
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Here's Mahomes after.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
That's the beauty of football is that you never can
be satisfied with just coming out there and playing and
thinking you're gonna have success year in and year out.
These defenses are going to continue to get better and better,
and so I have to get better, and so I
take a lot of ownership in that and I want
to hopefully come back and play better football.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
You know, it's interesting because I had Tom Brady on
my show Friday in New Orleans and we broke this
very subject. And it's interesting because you know, we all
know this is there are very few great rosters in
the NFL now because of salary cap. You can't do
the Pittsburgh Steelers in the mid seventies, like, you just
can't do that. It's hard to do the Joe Montana,
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Bill Walsh forty nine Ers, where you're like I don't
think they have any weaknesses. That's why what the Seahawks
did for that brief time on Russell Wilson's rookie contract,
You're like, this is insane, Or like when Brock Purty's
first year when Samford just go didn't have to pay
him because he was a seventh round quarterback, and you're like,
this isn't fair. Yes, Philadelphia's roster is great, and had
they won this, I get it. But there is the
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art of quarterback. It's not all legs and arms. And
Brady talked about this. Tom Brady talked about this Friday
on the show My.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
Last year, in My Last super Bowl is a part
of I was two weeks to watch in film Friday night.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I was just going through the film more.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
I knew Kansas City's defense better than they knew themselves.
I had the answers to the test. That's where I
was great. That's where my magic superpower was. It wasn't
how fast I could run, it was how fast I
could diagnose what they were doing. What's the special quality?
What's the Internet speed of me as a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Fast as.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yes, he was starlink before starlink, And that's what disappointed me.
It's not losing. There is no shame in losing to Philadelphia.
J Mack kept telling me all week that defensive lines trouble,
and I kept thinking, Joe Toney, great, Humphreys, they'll be fine.
It's Mahomes, it's Andy Alpha bye. But I you know,
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and this is not to just dump on Mahomes, but
he's gotten a lot of praise for years, but watching
that game made me realize how great Brady was. Peyton
Manning was completely undone by the Seahawks. Brady beat him.
Mahomes was completely undone by the Eagles defense. Now Brady
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found ways to beat a Seahawks team Manning great, Mahomes great,
That's that's Brady. A lot of you guys play poker.
You can't just win when you have the best hand.
It is about constantly bluffing and manipulating and trying to
marginalize their best and elevate yours. And I came out
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out of that game thinking, did we ever get how
good Tom was? And I'm not saying that, Listen, I'm
not saying that because he works for the company, But boy,
when you watch that game, I felt like Kansas City
had the same play and they run it twenty eight times.
It is what you do before the ball is snapped.
It can't just be that's cfr left tackle can block
him this time. The answers no for three and a
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half hours. J Mann, good stuff. Congratulations. You kept You know,
over the course of a season, we go about fifty
to fifty. I'm yelling at you and you're yelling at me.
But I could acknowledge yesterday by about the second drive
that early that well, you know, it's funny. There were
parts of that game and I forget if it was
like seventeen nothing and I'm like, it feels like it's
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thirty eight nothing, and then all of a sudden, the
damn breaks. Like I thought, Kansas City's defense did all
it could considering they were it was three out, three
and out, three and out, and Kansas City's defense is
essentially really for a half, maybe maybe half and half
a quarter, like they were really doing as good as
they could do. But Philadelphia felt like their stuff was
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mostly and when it didn't the next play did they
just they There is something to be said. I know
it's not just talent, but there is something to be
said that if I have overwhelming talent, and I'm smartly
coached and smartly quarterback. It's hard to beat there.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
I saw a joke that you know, Serena Williams participated
in the half times he did some dance and I
saw stat that she had more yards than she's had
in the first half during the halftime show. I mean, Colin,
I know we joke about seeing ghosts in the pocket.
You know, I remember the Samtarnald with the Jets. It
felt like Mahomes did not know what was going on.
He was anticipating pressure on a blitz and the Eagles
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never blitzed all night, didn't want blitz once they were
getting home before and he looked totally rattled. I've never
seen him that bad. The Super Bowl against the Bucks.
He was under pressure running for his life that.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
He lost a left tackle late in the season and
I almost gave him a pass on that one. This
is two weeks Philadelphia. By the way, this Philadelphia team
lost to Kirk Cousins early in the year. I mean,
if you go back to this Philadelphia team, what's interesting
and this is why football so great and baseball has
this too. Be very careful about September and October judging
this Philadelphia team could not score in the first quarter
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for like the it felt like the first until Thanksgiving
and we couldn't figure it out. We're like, how, But
it takes time to figure out what you can do.
And a lot of this goes to Jalen Hurts and
I want to talk about that coming up live in
Los Angeles, It's the.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
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right well.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I spent a lot of time talking about general managers
in the NFL and how undervalued they are. Howie Roseman
been on that train for years. I think the executive
suite is the difference with the Lions roster, and the
difference between Kansas City and Buffalo, and the difference with Philadelphia.
The bottom line, the gap in this league is not
just coaches and quarterbacks, it's upstairs. Some teams I don't
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know what they're doing. The Eagles always do take big swings,
are very willing to roll the dice and it has
paid off clearly.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Although I love his temperament, and I think he's a
great kid. I've never really put Jalen Hurts in the
top six or seven quarterbacks because I don't think he's
a great pocket thrower. But maybe it's time to reevaluate processing, unifier, toughness, push, push.
What he does continually is play really really good football
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in the biggest moments. A lot of guys shrink. He elevates.
I was wrong on Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I didn't put Travis Kelcey in my top ten players
for the Super Bowl. It does feel like it's time.
He had two catchable balls, didn't produce. He did have
his turnback the clock game against Houston, didn't do anything
in the last two even the suit he war. I
don't know, just a little midlife crisis whatever. I don't know,
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but it does feel like we're seeing we're seeing a
tank that doesn't have a lot left in it. Where
Colin was wrong, You know, I thought the rookie cornerbacks
for the Eagles could be a liability. But boy today
deliver who knew that Toledo in Iowa is where great
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cornerbacks live, Fast, sticky, smart, physical, Cooper de gene quinnyon
Mitchell just outstanding. And what was really interesting if you
watch the highlights, is how often they could stay with
Kansas City's receivers all the way down the field. This
wasn't just about pressure. Mahomes did on occasion roll out
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and looked and by time and nobody.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Was still open where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Aaron Rodgers dumped by the Packers and now dump by
the Jets. Am I surprised they did it? Yes, but
I have said for years people close to Aaron who
are played with him, he can be moody. You're never
quite sure what you get in the building day to day.
And right now he's probably thirteenth, fourteenth, fifteen best quarterback
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in the league. And he's a little expensive for that.
And he is not despite what a handful of friends say,
he's not a great unifier. He flew to New York,
according to Jay Glazer, thinking he was going to be
the quarterback, and the second NFL franchise said we're going to.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Move on where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Deebo Samuel, everybody laments the future of running backs. I
believe a quarterback's best friend is an a line and
a run game not a needy wide receiver. I like Debo,
he's a good player, but it's kind of become a
cliche now, the receiver that needs touches and attention in
the end. Running backs don't. Their careers are shorter. It's
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almost like they're more appreciative a Deebo Samuel. Once they
drafted Ricky Pearsall felt like he was no longer part
of the San Francisco forty nine.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Ers future where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
He has way wrong on Nick Sirian. He never loved
his methodology and yelling at fans and confrontations on the bench.
But you know what, two super bowls in three years
he feels You know what, can I say? The team
likes him, the city likes him, the coaches like him. Yeah,
he's a little bit emotional. Well so was Bill Parcells.
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I made a mistake of thinking that everybody coaches the same,
and they don't. You know, there's creative guys like Andy Reid,
there's more rigid guys like Bill Belichick. There's more emotional
guys like Dan Campbell and Nick Siriani, and then there's
more stoic guys throughout the league. So everybody coaches different,
and I have learned.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
My lesson where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Huh, Joe l. Embiid might need another knee surgery. I've
never understood Embiid. He didn't play his first two years
in the league because of injuries. They had injury concerns
coming out of Kansas. Why is everybody denying the truth?
When biggs are hurt early, they're hurt often. And he's
a tremendous player, but as we saw in the Olympics,
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he does at times have real problems playing well with others. Yes,
he's talented, Yes there's some components that make him look
a little like Shack. But in the end, they've always
like denied the injury stuff and once again he no
longer plays in back to backs. Injury issue surface Where
Colin was right, I said, I thought Jimmy Butler to
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the Warriors would happen and should happen. He makes them
more interesting. But I also think there's a physical component
to his game. He was part of a Warrior's blowout
win over Chicago. Steph Curry talked about his importance and
now Steph said, he's almost the opposite of me, so
it's a good fit.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
I think the idea.
Speaker 8 (19:49):
He's like the exact opposite player of me, which is
kind of funny. Like I'm shooting sixteen threes, he shout
one and got to the freed.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Theow line a lot.
Speaker 8 (19:57):
He's dominating the paying them, dominating outside the perimeter, guys
working around. This is as a potential to be really,
really fune.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
The Warriors needed some juice. Jimmy Butler is absolutely that.
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Football season's over for a while. We got some Luca
Lebron baby Lakers rolling live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. I don't
want to hear the Jazz are no good. Keep your
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eye on the jazz, bright future Jmac. Lakers won twelve
or fourteen. Now Luca is playing with new guys. You know,
Luca got hurt. He's been out since Christmas. So there's
I'm not I was watching the last night. I'm taking
What am I doing with Luke? He's not dropping forty tonight.
He needs time to get back into shape. But boy,
that first half of the Lakers Austin Reeves, Lebron and Luca.
Speaker 11 (22:18):
Austin Reeves, Now you like him? Huh? He's your guy,
all right? Seventy two and a half for the Lakers. Oh,
they're going to the finals.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Cowherd, Well, let's just start with this. That's a little hot.
That's a little hot this morning. But when I hear this, yeah,
I don't know if Lebron and Luca are gonna work together.
Go back to Miami. D Wade and Lebron. That wasn't
a good fit. Both need the ball to excel. Neither
are great shooters. They were just two great athletes and
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they ended up getting the four straight finals. Stephan Katie
and Klay Thompson one ball. Three guys that need it
last night, Lebron and the Lakers second highest plus minus
for Lebron this season, and the Lakers had their second
highest point title Between the Warriors, the Heatles and Lebron
and Luca. What a all three have in common in basketball?
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Smart guys figure it out. A lot of stars, can't.
They lack self awareness, right, the egos, the lack of
self awareness. I mean, the OKC Westbrook mellow thing, it
just didn't work. Katie Steph Clay worked, the Heatles worked,
Lebron and Luke Austin reeves it's gonna work. I mean
last night before the game, Lebron's like, don't worry about
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fitting in, will work around you, just go score. And
I think that's Chemistry is an issue when you have
selfish guys and insecure guys and guys with no self awareness.
You know, Harden and Kyrie playing with Katie and Brooklyn.
Katie was great, the other two guys were pained. They
hurt chemistry. So Lebron and Luca are engaged, They're smart,
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they have huge brands, so they're very very secure in
who they are. Both excellent passers. The only weird part
for me is how the hell is Lebron still this good.
What's in that whine he's drinking? I swear he looks
like he's in year twelve or thirteen. Lebron's amazing. But
if you go back to the Heatls in Miami, they
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didn't have any size Joel Anthony, remember him, Joel Anthony
was a sixty nine and a half center. They had
no true point guard. But it was one of the
smartest teams I've ever seen. Shane Battier, Ray Allen, Lebron, Haslam.
I mean, it's just everybody, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade. They
just made it work. Draymond, Steph Clay, you know KD.
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Smart guys just make it work. So now Lucas rusty Okay,
never played with these guys. I don't care about practice,
never played game speed with these guys. Hasn't played in
a long time. And the Lakers do have an issue,
and it's a real issue. They have no rint protection.
Jackson Hayes is a fun guy on alley oops, and
you saw a lot of alley oops last night, but they
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don't have any rim protection. So when the Mark Williams
deal from Carolina did not go through, the Charlotte deal
that's kind of a bummer. Now, like Robert Williams, who
the Celtics had for years, didn't He wasn't available very much,
but when he was available, he changed the temperature in
the room. So they're gonna have to address that on
the market and see if they can find somebody. But
I'll say this about the Lakers last night, when I
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watched them, especially in the first half, because they put
the game away in the first half, it felt young,
It felt fun, it felt fresh. I looked it up
this morning. Ten more threes. They took ten more threes
than average. There were more alley oops, you know what,
three pointers everywhere again Austin Reeves, Lebron and Luca. Yes
they all need the ball, but you know what, smart
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guys figured out. And Staples was roaring all the Luca jerseys.
I think this thing is gonna be excellent. And I'll
get to it a second why I think they can
win the West. But here was Luca and JJ Reddick.
Speaker 12 (25:52):
After there was a little nervous before. I remember when
was the last time I was nerves before the game?
So but once this time, when the core it was
it was fun and just being on there again felt amazing.
It's new team, near everything, but like the way they
helped me, teammates Rob Jenny Jenny, it was just a
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lot of support for me. You can see why I'm
coming to Arena. I saw the Luca jerseys. It was
just surreal feeling. Sometimes you can have agendas in a game.
I felt like this for our group was just a
no agenda game beyond winning a basketball game and play
the right way with our three guys who are going
to be our primary creators. Like they all did it
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really well and I think our guys will get accustomed
to the Luca passes for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Listen, the Lakers felt like they went from analog to
digital and if you look at the Western Conference standings,
why can't they get there? Memphis is number two. I
don't trust them. They play very fast, great pacing. I'm
not sure if that transfers to the playoffs. Denver is
horrific defensively now Jamal Murray's healthy again. In Well, they're
a bad defensive team. The Rockets can't shoot super young.
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I think they're a regular season team. I think they'll
be a one and done in the playoffs. Clippers, do
you really trust them?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
So?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I look at the West. The best team I've seen
in the NBA by a long shot is the Celtics.
I watch them hammer the Knicks again. Boston's the best
team in the league. OKC is very good that I
won't deny, and I'm not sure if the Lakers can
beat them, although it feels like to me they've matched
up with him pretty well the last couple of years
with Ad and Lebron. So my takeaway is I watched
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last night. It was a lot of threes, a lot
of alley oops. It's only going to get better. I mean,
Luke hasn't played in forever. First game with the guys.
I think if they could figure out I said that before.
If the Mark Williams thing would have gone through, I
would have had no problem saying Lakers in the final.
I don't know if they can beat Boston, probably not,
but I think they could get there. I don't know
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if they can win the West, but I'm watching all that. Listen.
It's an offensive sport, right, I mean, defense matters, but
people get frustrated when Jason Tatum doesn't take the game
over offensively, not defensively. So I'm reading this story about
the Super Bowl ratings and one hundred and twenty six
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million viewers for the Super Bowl fifty nine. First of all,
it's more than that, but it's hard to track how
many people actually watch the Nielsen ratings. They do count
out of home viewers, but you don't really have an
exact count on that. You're kind of guessing. At some point,
I think it probably was closer to one hundred and
thirty six million. And the second thing is this wasn't
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Let's be totally honest about this, it wasn't a good game.
The peak of the rating was in the second quarter.
What if it had been an overtime game, could you
get to one hundred and thirty to thirty five million.
But there's a lot of reasons why I think the
NFL keeps extending their season and adding games because there's
an insatiable appetite for it. We never get tired of it.
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And the other thing is there's a reason they keep
playing games now in Australia and they're going to go
to Brazil again, and they're going to go they won
the US market. If you dominate America, spread your wings.
So when people complain about games overseas, why not they
own the country, and I think there's a lot of
reasons why the NFL is king. It's a once a
week sport. But that's always been true. But we didn't
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have the iPhone and TikTok in the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties.
We are a very, very distracted nation. It is harder
to get people's attention Monday through Friday, and the NFL
is a once a week game. The second thing is
it's a really good television product, not just because I
work at Fox. NBCCBS ABC are great too, but the
production of the television product is outstanding. The other thing,
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it's relatable football players. There is no load management. They
plan the snow, they plan the wind, they plan the rain.
Like the rest of us. They just go to work
when they're not one hundred percent. It's totally relatable. The
other thing is they make big changes regularly. They bailed
on Oakland, they upgraded to Vegas. They bailed on San Diego.
I know it hurts. They upgraded in LA, they bailed
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on Saint Louis. They'd bail on Jacksonville tomorrow if they could.
They're not gonna be burdened by tradition. They're they're not
gonna worry about what the hardcore traditionalist and the romantic thinks.
They're gonna take swings in the ball, and I think
they constantly pivot on rule changes. Baseball struggles with that.
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Basketball makes changes sometimes though they feel a little bit
like they're out of desperation. Last week they're talking about
shorter quarters. Who's ever worried about how long a quarter is?
We worry that you got too many games or load management,
and so I think there's a lot of reason for
the changes. I just think, more than anything, it's a
very well run league by adults. Agents run baseball, players
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run the NBA. Economically, it is two times the size
of the NBA, yet feels like it's nimble like a sailboat.
It can turn quickly during a Super Bowl. Rule changes
always will to change, And somebody told me this years
ago that anytime there's a change, basketball thinks of it first.
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Baseball makes the most money out of it, and football
gets it right. And I think the NFL, more than
any league, just consistently gets it right when changes are needed.
They don't pander agents and the players don't run the league.
They're like every good company I've ever worked for. And
none of the companies I've ever worked for that are
very well run are run by the employees. They value
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the employees, they pay the employees, they treat the employees. Well,
it's not run by the employees. I should not be
running Fox. I should not be running it. I'm treated well.
I shouldn't be running it. And so there you go.
The number is huge. I think it's probably bigger than that.
And it was not a very competitive game. We got
a lot of things. Nick Wright joins us in fifty minutes.
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It's been a very rough forty eight hours for Nick.
You know, he was due for a bad weekend, j Mac,
He was due.
Speaker 11 (31:58):
Can I give you a peek behind the curtain.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
One of our smart producers hit me up this morning,
was like, hey, can you bring in a violin to
play during the Nick Wright segment? And I tried to
find a violin this morning, No dice, but I yeah,
we feel bad for him. You know, it's just it's
tough for this chief.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I barely slept last year.
Speaker 11 (32:14):
I tried to tell them they weren't a good team
all season record, be damn.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
You, you were right, and they looked awful. If you
go back to that Houston game that was choppy.
Speaker 11 (32:22):
We're a very friendly whistle, there shall we say.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
I'll ask, though, Colin, like, where was the leadership on
the sideline when they were getting their butts kicked twenty
four to nothing. You know, there's a lot of video
out there of Tom Brady in that Atlanta Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, fired up the troop, let's go, come.
Speaker 11 (32:37):
On, guy, We're not done. And I saw none of that.
You know, the chief just looks shell shocked, like.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Wait, we're not winning, We're not winning, we're not coming
close to winning.
Speaker 11 (32:44):
It was kind of embarrassing.
Speaker 13 (32:46):
Where's the leadership?
Speaker 11 (32:47):
Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, I didn't see it, did you?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Well?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I don't look to my coaches for that. They got
a headset on or they're trying to maneuver. I think
I think players have to inspire players. I think generationally
it means more coming from another player. If a great
player's on the sideline at twenty eight years old, marketing
at a twenty five year old, I think that has
incredible impact. I don't think coach marketed a player. Coaches
market players. It's called practice. And so when you get
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into a game, I do think it's up to players
to help motivate players. There's a lot of tape of
Troy Aikman, He's on his players, Peyton Manning on his players,
and I think there's value. I mean, I've seen Lamar
Jackson on the sideline talking to his own line, getting
guys fired up. That stuff matters.
Speaker 11 (33:28):
Something for Mahomes to work on in the offseason.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, a couple of things. Gotta get a left tackle, baby.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
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Speaker 1 (33:44):
Nick Wright's gonna be joining us. He's a trooper. He's
gonna be joining us here in a couple of minutes.
And I thought I would start j Mac You'll you'll
get a kick out of this. Connor or Sports Illustrate
excellent Young a journalist only deals in fact acknowledges. He
believes that the Chiefs in twenty twenty five will miss
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the Super Bowl each of the next two seasons, and
he talks about how the Patriots had several gaps in
Super Bowls. He said, it's not anti Andy Reider. Patrick
Mahomes great players get old fast, and role players are
hard to keep around. And the draft, even by the
best GMS is like a sixty to forty fifty to
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fifty proposition. After the first couple of rounds, you're rolling
the dice on draft picks. And so again, this is
an excellent journalist that only deals in facts. Connor Or
saying that, so, I there are things that I think
you have to be honest about. Let's not do like
recency bias. But mahomes number one weapon the last three
years have been Travis Kelcey kind of looks cooked. He's
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thirty six years old in the last couple of games,
not really yet. So you know, the classic sports muscle
car can't be your primary car. Like it's time. Number
two is in a very mediocre draft. They're going to
get They need a tackle, and they'll probably get the
fifth to sixth best tackle because that positions so valuable,
and unless they compromise and sacrifice draft picks, they're not
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getting one of the better left tackles. They also need
a tight end, and the two best ones will be taken.
The other thing is the division. We got to be
honest now, Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh. We saw what Harbad
did in one year. We saw Bo Nicks as a
rookie Sean Payton, I'm sorry, it matters. That's the best
coaching division in football. That's not even arguable. That is
the best coaching division in football. The other thing is
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we saw Jim Harbaugh do this at San Francisco, at
Michigan and with the Chargers in one year he turned
him around. This year they have sixty five million in
cap space. The Chargers got to the playoffs with a
rookie slot receiver as a really elite weapon. That was it.
So they got a lot of cap space. And what
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the Chargers need is a defensive tackle and running backs.
And the two positions in the draft that are absolutely
stacked our defensive tackle and running back. And because of
their draft position, they'll get the first or second best
tight end in the draft, which they need. And here's
the other thing, and we got to be honest about this,
Mahomes next year is going to be a twenty four
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percent cap hit. Twenty four percent of Kansas City's cap
is going to be Mahomes. He's going to be making
sixty six large. Tom Brady was never over fourteen it matters.
It matters. I know the CAP's going up, but it matters.
Tom Brady, on average, was a ten to twelve percent
cap hit. That's why those Patriot teams never had units
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that were bad. They were never terrible anywhere. In the
two blowout losses to Kansas City and the Super Bowl,
they're bad at left tackle, They're just bad. The Patriots
were never awful anywhere, didn't matter kicker, punter, quarterback, left tack,
all the key positions, they were at least B plus
and a lot of that was Brady sacrificed. Tom talked
about this last week. It is damn hard to win
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these Super Bowls.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
What I realized early in my career about Super Bowls was, man,
we won my first year, Like, what's the big deal is?
It's like I went to college, we played Norge Bowl,
I won, We went to the Citrus Bowl, we won.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Okay, now I'm in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
We won, all right, what's the big We didn't have
a great seat in two thousand and two. We won
in two thousand and three, what's the big deal? We
won in two thousand and four, what's the big deal?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Right?
Speaker 6 (37:22):
Then you go to two thousand and seven and you lose,
And then you go to twenty eleven and you get
to the Super Bowl after're having a great team in
twenty ten and we lose, and it was just like, wow,
this is way harder.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
We went ten years between winning.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, it's really hard, very very difficult. They were in
good health, and then the ticker went not to mention
how long is Andy Reid gonna coach? I know this
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is somber, solemn. Nick Wright is now joining US lives.
Speaker 14 (38:15):
That's probably your best comedy bit in years. And you
know what is a staple of the best of the
best comedians what they incorporate some of their old classics
into their new material. So you had a lot of
new stuff there, But then you went back to one
of the classic cowardisms, which is next year is the
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year Justin Herbert breaks through.
Speaker 13 (38:42):
I mean that, I mean set your watch to it.
And by the way, I.
Speaker 14 (38:45):
Do think you had the Chiefs because they're drafting thirty
two or thirty one pardon me, unable to draft anyone
of need. And I think you had the Chargers because
they're drafting twenty one getting the best running back d
tackle and in the draft it is unbelievable. The Chargers,
to their credit, who you know, did have to go
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through the season with a rookie wide receiver as their
number one option. Can you imagine making the Super Bowl
in back to back years with a rookie wide receiver
being your number one option? I can't probably never be done. No,
I mean, listen, listen.
Speaker 13 (39:22):
It is.
Speaker 14 (39:24):
The Chiefs and me deserve a lot of criticism for
the performance on Sunday.
Speaker 13 (39:32):
Spinning that forward into.
Speaker 14 (39:35):
This team being cooked is I think a bridge too
far even for you, Like I don't. Maybe you've been
hanging out with Jmack too often off the air and
he's been spitting that poison in your ear. But they
still go into next season the overwhelming favorites in the
AFC West, and they go into next season better positioned
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than any other team in the AFC. Now, it's hard
to get to a super Bowl every single year.
Speaker 13 (40:03):
I get that.
Speaker 14 (40:04):
But I think you're writing the obituary a tad too soon,
my friend.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Okay, the one thing I did I did say is that,
and I mean, you've never denied that Brady's great. That's
one of the great things you've always said. The guy's ridiculous.
I mean, it's literally the second part of his career.
He was arguably better than Elway's entire career. Right. But
the one thing I'll say about Tom, and having lived
in Connecticut during his reign, is that we used to
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always talk about this, if he had the second best
poker hand, he could still win the hand. He didn't
have to have pocket aces. And now now in fairness,
last year, I didn't I think the last couple of
years the Chiefs didn't have a loaded roster, but I
would say that in the Super Bowl losses, let's just
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talk about this one. I didn't feel I felt like
I was watching the same play over and over, and
I didn't feel Mahomes adjusted a lot. Maybe that's andy read,
but it did. I watched it and I thought, God,
Tom would have just moved the chains short. He kept
sitting in the pocket the same place. I thought Patrick
really played terribly.
Speaker 14 (41:14):
I listen, I think it was one of the worst
games of Patrick's career. But we're not This again is
where I just have to be the arbiter of fairness, Okay,
or if one wants to argue that, And again, Brady
is the most accomplished player ever, the goat at this
position and of the sport. And because of this loss,
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it's going to take Patrick an immense amount of time
to have a chance to catch him, because this was
the opportunity to do something Tom never did.
Speaker 13 (41:45):
That is all true. Here's what is also true.
Speaker 14 (41:49):
We are now revisionist historing how Tom Brady's playoff defeat
when going for a three peat went. It was not
in the super Bowl, with the decisive play being a
pick six. It was in the divisional round to Jake Plummer,
with the decisive play being a pick six. And I
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know that the Michael Jordan propaganda machine has convinced people
that losing in round one or round two is actually
better than winning those rounds and then losing in the
championship round.
Speaker 13 (42:24):
But that, of course is ludicrous.
Speaker 14 (42:27):
And so the idea, you're right that Tom never had
this pore of a performance in a super Bowl.
Speaker 13 (42:35):
That is unquestioned.
Speaker 14 (42:36):
But Tom had, as every quarterback ever had brutal performances
that prevented his team from getting two super Bowls.
Speaker 13 (42:46):
Patrick's never had that. And so we can go tit
for Tad on these things.
Speaker 14 (42:51):
And I had to listen yesterday to Joe Montana four
and zero in Super Bowls, and that is true. It
is also true that in the dead middle of his
prime eighty five, eighty six, eighty seven. Those three years,
Joe Montana in three consecutive playoff games, had three consecutive
Round one or first game defeats, and had zero touchdowns
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over a three year span. Cumulatively in the playoffs three
straight blowoufs, including a forty nine to three, but because
they happened in round one, they don't count. I don't
buy into that. I never have Patrick played very poorly.
Yesterday he now joins the list of every single quarterback
in NFL history, of which he wasn't previously on where
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he played his worst game of the year in the
biggest spot of the year. But I think we are
writing the obituary as you literally are a tad too soon.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Yeah, well, I think there. I do have Kansas City
being a wild card team next year, so I think
they're still So.
Speaker 14 (43:56):
You had him this year. I think that's what you
had him last year. This year the wild card every year.
Every year is going to be the Chargers year. And
did you say Pete Carroll. I like Pete Carroll too.
Does that team have a quarterback yet? I'm just kidding, like,
literally on the roster do they have a quarterback? Is
it Aid and O'Connell. I don't think that. I don't
think Pete Carroll's gonna move the chains with Aid and O'Connell.
Speaker 13 (44:18):
That's just me. It is.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
I said this yesterday about the Eagles, though. If Saquon
Barkley got hurt next year, cross your fingers and they
lose two free agents and it's more of a Jalen
Hurts offense, they wouldn't look the same there. I mean, listen,
this is a sport with regulated level of violence. I
think the Chiefs will rebuild. They'll be fine. They need
to left tackle, they need a running back. You know,
they just have to hit some draft picks. They're prone
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to do that. I do think the Andy Reid thing
is real, is that I could see Andy with two
more great runs and just say, listen, man, I got
four or five of these things, I'm out. And then,
as you know, even the great organizations miss on head
coaches fifty percent of the time. Is there part of
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you that wonders the Andy thing is what worries you
more than players?
Speaker 14 (45:08):
Oh, listen, I mean, and I one thousand percent and
Patrick leading up to the game, when he was asked,
you know, basically, how long can this keep up? His
answer was, as long as Andy's still here the whole team.
Speaker 13 (45:23):
You know what I mean. It gives him the respect
and credit he deserves. Here is.
Speaker 14 (45:29):
The reason I am not incredibly.
Speaker 13 (45:32):
Concerned about that.
Speaker 14 (45:33):
First of all, in the short term, we know he's
coming back at least next year, and I would imagine,
as you're saying he's coming back for two or three
more years, he is just about to start a five year,
one hundred million dollar contract.
Speaker 13 (45:48):
So even if he doesn't finish that, you have this time.
Speaker 14 (45:51):
The other reason that I am less concerned is if
he were to signal that he was going into what
would be the last year of his career, this immediately
becomes the most coveted coaching job in modern NFL history,
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Like it would be the most coveted job since the Bucks.
I'm sorry, the Colts fire Jim Mora. The answer to
that's probably right. But even in that moment, Peyton obviously
had not accomplished ten percent of what Patrick already has,
and so I do think they will be fine. I
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also would not act as if losing the guy who
I believe to be one of the three greatest coaches
in the history of the sport and the greatest offensive
mine in the history of the sport. You know what,
wouldn't be a significant, significant loss. But that is much
further down the road than you know this or next season.
Speaker 13 (46:54):
At least I.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Believe lost a little bit lost in Luke going to
the Lakers. Is how insane Lebron has played this year.
It looks like you're thirteen.
Speaker 13 (47:05):
It's unbelieved, it's.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
It's incredible, and it very much is Brady in Tampa
where you're like, is he still a top four quarterback
when he was forty four?
Speaker 13 (47:15):
Like?
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Right, I mean he left and the next year you're like,
I think he's still top four or five? What do
you make we know? I'll get to Luke in a second.
How do you explain Lebron he's better than last year?
What is it?
Speaker 9 (47:31):
So?
Speaker 14 (47:32):
I mean, listen, I think there is a natural benefit
to truly and I think this is being proven out
in real time literally being the greatest athlete, and I
just mean raw athleticism, maybe in world history, like you
can say, oh, you found a way to be hyperbolic, like,
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I don't know who he's competing.
Speaker 13 (47:55):
With on that. Yeah, as far as.
Speaker 14 (47:57):
Heightweight, speed, long ngevity, durability, all of it over a
twenty five year stretch. Like, I honestly don't know who
was the corner. Gosh darn it, I shouldn't ask it.
There was a corner that he played for Washington. He
played for like Daryl Green Green, like Daryl Green. I
was like, I don't know, like as he was on
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that same list, I don't know, but regardless. So the
reason I bring that up is Lebron is right now
seventy five percent of the athlete he was ten years ago,
but seventy five percent of prime Lebron is still more
athletic than ninety five percent of the rest of the league.
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So because of that, he's been able to stave off
the aging curve a bit. You then add to it,
he's a better shooter. Yeah, these last two years than
any point of his career. The IQ is still you know,
obviously not going anywhere. And what I think we've seen
the last couple of weeks is the power of hope
and the power of belief. You saw in the Olympics,
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Colin Lebron was like, all right, these might be the
last really consequential games of my basketball life.
Speaker 13 (49:14):
And you saw him on the.
Speaker 14 (49:15):
Global stage be the best player in the entire tournament
night in night outs, good point, and then you saw
this year when it's like, wait a minute, we're actually
a little bit better than I expected. JJ's doing a
great job. If I'm able to carry us when Anthony
Davis is out, maybe that gets the team to make
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one of these around the fringes deadline moves we want
them to make, and maybe we can steal a finals appearance.
And then instead of that, they trade for a top
three player in the world. And now I think Lebron
is like, oh my god, I can win a championship
like me. And if Luca can take Kyrie and role
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players to the championship, can take their championship. Roun take
a young Jalen Brunson in role players to the conference finals.
What if I, all of a sudden can actually hand
the offense off to someone else, actually not see the
team go to die when I go to the bench,
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actually be rested going into the playoffs, And what the
Lakers are going to have problems defensively and the lack
of the you know, they traded for Mark Williams for
a reason, they got rescinded. But you have the highest
IQ duo in league history now on the on a
team We've never had two players uh with this passing
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ability plus IQ playing together so offensively, it's going to
be a top three team and I think Lebron knows
what that means for.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
For the record, does Jimmy Butler do anything for the Warriors?
I mean, I think it makes them much more interesting.
I thought the NBA missed the play in. Yeah, I
think the NBA had a great week. The Lucas the
Butler thing, dearon Fox to winby I thought the league
had a great week. Does Butler do anything for that team?
Still playing team to us?
Speaker 14 (51:07):
I mean, well, I mean I think that without him
they were going to risk at risk of missing the
play in, right, and the Warriors have been in the
play in and lost previously. I think without him they
were going to be at certainly not only at risk,
but probably a favorite to miss the actual eight team postseason.
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Now I fully expect them to be in the playoffs.
Speaker 13 (51:36):
I don't know that.
Speaker 14 (51:38):
I think I think their ceiling is round is a
round one victory.
Speaker 13 (51:43):
I do think that.
Speaker 14 (51:44):
I just I think that Steph is still really good.
But night tonight now Steph also, by the way, has
been playing his best basketball as of late, maybe invigorated
by the trade as well. They the only chance they
have of making any real noise is if the way
Steph has played the last couple weeks, if he can
keep that up. I also think that Jimmy, you know,
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Jimmy is not night Tonight that reliable when it comes
to an injury risk. So they are an very old
injury concerned team. But I am a fervent believer.
Speaker 13 (52:22):
That if you happen to have one of the.
Speaker 14 (52:25):
Ten to twelve greatest players in the history of the
league still playing at a high level, you have an
obligation to go all in every year. It is irresponsible
to worry about the future you are your only obligation
is to write now. So I think the Warriors did
right by Steph here, even if it's not a real
needle mover when it comes to winning a championship.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
So maybe we were a little premature on the headstone.
I will say, however, is if they don't hit on
some of these draft picks. Drafting thirty first, it's a
little scary.
Speaker 14 (53:01):
Drafting thirty first, that's the best position we've been in
three years. You're usually stuck in the thirty two hole.
Think about it. And by the way, keep in mind
they all the Chiefs also have They have the thirty
first pick, the sixty third pick, and then like the
sixty sixth pick because they got that from Tennessee and
Tennessee finished with one of the worst rugs in football.
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So we're loaded to bear headed into the draft. Tell
you that right now, maybe we trade for Micah Parsons.
Who knows, I Colin, I'll leave you on this. The Chiefs,
we all know, since Patrick's been there seven years, they
have a two game one or two game season. It
starts in the conference championship round. Two years they've gone
oh to one. Both years they made massive changes. One
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year after going oh to one, they fired the de coordinator,
brought in Spags. One year after going oh on one,
they traded Tyreek Hill. Three years they've gone to and oh,
we know what you do after that.
Speaker 13 (53:58):
You hold a parade. Now twice go on one and one.
Speaker 14 (54:02):
The first time they did it, they remade the offensive line.
I'm very curious what they do the second time, because
one and one doesn't cut it. In Kansas City. It's
a five hundred season. It's really embarrassing. So I don't
blame you for poking fun, but they will make a
major adjustment. I don't know what it'll be, but it's
not going to be quiet this offseason in Kansas City.
Speaker 13 (54:25):
I promise you.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
That I'm right, Nick Wright. First things first, he's bruised,
a bit battered, but still shows up.
Speaker 14 (54:32):
You know what, look if the sports gods, I must
have been a great person in a previous life because
the fact that the day after my lowest moment of
my adult life as a football fan, I get to
watch my large adult Slovenian son Luka Ancic team up
with Lebron James.
Speaker 13 (54:51):
And it's not in a fever dream. I mean, I'm
right back, baby.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
I am so back, and it was fun to watch
last night at the Stafles. Good seeing you, Nick Wright,
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