June 7, 2025 • 29 mins
Top Players in the NBA without a ring
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Here.
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We are our number two here on the Herd. Colin
Cowherd st vacation. Yes, he is enjoying another sojourn around
the globe, so you have to settle for me.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Jason McIntyre joined by Alex Furrie. Alex, I don't know
how I love it. On Mondays we were pink, I
don't I didn't know until he sat down. I was like, hey,
great minds backing prime in my twenties.
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Yeah kidding, I'm still in my prime. I would rock
like a pink shirt to go out.
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I love I love pink on men, especially your girl dad.
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So it's like it's even cooler the big shirts. Our
money guys coming up in a few minutes, rick Yucker.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Never miss it when Rick joins because we always spar
over stuff, and I'm sure he's gonna love the list
that I just.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
Came up with. We'll talk about it right now.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
So obviously SGA and the Thunder going to the finals
against Haliburton and the Pacers.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
And we saw that over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Lebron did a podcast with Luka Doncic along with Steve Nash,
and they were talking about Luca's style, and I said,
why don't we do a list the top five players
in the NBA without a ring. And here's what Lebron
and Luca talked about that got me to that point.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Here we go.
Speaker 7 (01:39):
Obviously, we've seen throughout his career, like there's plays and
passes that certain guys that in the league history have
ever been able to make. I mean, it's always his pace,
has always been his pace. And he's never ever been
on the floor where he's allowed someone to dictate where
they're gonna put him on the floor. It's always been
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in the opposite, you know. And for us, we all
work on all of that. We just got to stay ready.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Hm, you know what this is leading up to, right people.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I'm a Luca guy, and this is not just Johnny
come lately, this is not since he got to the Lakers.
But I'm a huge Luca fan So I thought i'd
rank going from five to one the five best players
in the NBA without a ring. Now, this caused some
drama in the morning meeting, and I out of the
corner of my eye, I can see Rick Buker just like,
oh my gosh. So let's start with number five, fifth
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best player right now in the NBA without a ring,
and that's got to be my guy, Jalen Brunson. He
is a phenomenal talent. He is emergist from of the
best point guards in the league.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
He's a you know, sub six' three point, guard which
some people think you can't win. With And brunson only
does his deliver.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Buckets, now why they didn't get by The. PACERS i
don't think it's fully On. Brunson obviously his defense was
not up to. Stuff but the fifth spot came down
to me For brunson Or, haliburton And i'm, SORRY i
Think brunson slightly better Than.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Haliburton SO i.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Go brunson at number, five the fourth best player in
THE nba without a.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Ring here we go a little bit of a. Curveball Jimmy. Butler,
now somebody tried to tell me in the morning.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Needing oh my, God Jay, Mack joel embiid it's so
much better Than Jimmy butler AND i almost like vomited
in my. Mouth come, on, Guy Jimmy butler as an
alpha led The Miami.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Heat to the championship. Twice, okay that's a.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Superstar.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
NOW i know he's getting up there an.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Agent he's not what he was three years, ago but
he is still a phenomenal. TALENT i love The Jimmy butler.
Story back to my radio. Days Like Jimmy butler coming
out of like living on he was. CouchSurfing, okay had
to like fax in his resume to get.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Into college At.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Marquette like this guy was interrupt spot and he has
just become a star in THE.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
NBA i love everything About Jimmy.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
BUTLER i don't love he'll get a, title BUT.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
I have his fourth best player in the league without a.
Ring number. Three let's go to THE, Mvp Shay Gilgess.
ALEXANDER i have a Feeling rick's gonna have him in.
ONE i Think SGA's a really good. Player obviously great.
Seasons he's on a really good. TEAM sga does everything.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Well i'm not gonna say he's a jack of all,
trades master of none because he's the master of the
mid range right, now he just gets buckets at the mid.
Range probably gonna get his title this, year right, favorite
the fifth biggest favorite in like the last fifty years or, WHATEVER.
Sga third best player in the league without a.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Ring number Two Anthony.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Edwards, YES i Believe Anthony edwards is better Than Shake Gilges. Alexander,
sorry he's, younger he's got a better offensive. Bag he's
led the league in threes this. Season he just doesn't
have as good of a team As, Okay, SEE i
Think Anthony edwards is. Phenomenal all this future faith of
the league, stuff it's, legit. Guys he's that, good now
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is he a little goofy off the court and sometimes
not locked in and he loves a good ig baddie
who does? It but Once Anthony edwards grows up just
a little, bit alex stop. Laughing once he grows, up
just atle, Bit Anthony.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Edwards is going to be the top player in THE.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Nba, now for the number one player in THE nba
without a.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Ring it's got to Be. Luca who's better Than?
Speaker 4 (05:09):
LUCA i have him right there in The Jokich giannis
class and my things THAT i coped theme back to
all the.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Time luca makes everyone around him. Better he did it In.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Dallas they got to the finals last year because he
made everyone around him.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Better That dallas, team it's not a great. Team look
at them this. Year what would they do this?
Speaker 7 (05:29):
Year?
Speaker 5 (05:29):
NOW i Know kyrie got, heard but they had a
d and largely the same.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Guys That luca had that he put on his back
and got to the. Finals for, Me luca dont just
the best player in THE nba without a.
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HELL i want to welcome back to The.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Herd it's Me jason McIntyre here IN la on A,
wednesday and boy do we have a spicy show. Ahead
i'm joined as always By Alex. Curry, ALEX i had
several people ask me about the ghost.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Topic yesterday you brought up and they were fired up
about the.
Speaker 8 (06:13):
Ghosts, no, Okay, jami the way you see it is
like you think like white cheet.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Scary No i'm talking about like, energy so you can feel.
Energy and it's, Funny.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
TOAD a lot of people bring it up to me,
too and it's all women who can feel.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
It you see. It we can't say, anything, no but
women have like strong.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
INFLUSITIONS i mean we're basically like.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Gods great pretty. Much. YEAH i don't see the paper
towel being. Empty it's not the toilet. PAPER i don't
even see that. Stuff it's not like what cartoons and
movies ghosts. Terrified all, right so.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Listen, obviously we got to start the show with the
big news in THE nba yesterday My New York, knicks
who finally seemed to get their act together, right greatest
season this, century and they fire their, Coach Tom tibodau
gets fired yesterday and what like the middle of the,
Show alex AND i were. Stunned that was closer to
the end of the. Show and one interesting nugget trickled
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out overnight regarding how this. Happened because remember a lot of,
folks myself, included thought it maybe you just bring tigitew
back and you run it, back you, know you, guys
two games away from THE Nba, finals took down the
defending Champion. Celtics why not run it? Back but this
nugget trickled out of the exit. Interviews, apparently when The
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knicks were Interviewing Josh, Hart Michael, Bridges Jalen, brunson one
certain play person in the organization happened to sit in
on those exit, interviews and.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
That Was James, dolan who's largely been a ghost the
last five. Years do you like that play on words?
Speaker 4 (07:46):
There, Uh dolan has not been around The knicks because
he's been running the sphere In vegas and getting that
off the, ground and obviously that's a great win for Mister.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Dolan but sitting in on.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
The exit interviews and all of a sudden, boom the
head coach has, gone you have to wonder did he hear.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Something he didn't? Like, well we know that that.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Just something did not come From Jalen, brunson who staunchly
defended his. Coach after The knicks were eliminated by The,
pacers we had a reporter, say, well what do you
think About?
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Tibbs is you got to make it?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Back And brunson was, like is that a real? Question
we Know brunson like, Tips he's known tib since he
was a young. Guy Rick, brunson his father who's done
with The knicks staff played for The knicks and like.
That there's a lot of internal. Stuff brunson And thibodeau
were At. Copacetic but what we do know is That
Josh hart had beef at points this season With thibodeaux
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And Mikale. Bridges as recently as the middle Of, march piped,
up why aren't we playing our? Bench why are we
playing so many? Minutes what's going on?
Speaker 5 (08:48):
HERE i? Mean and the numbers bear it.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Out The knick starters averaged more points per game than
any other starting unit in the last forty five years
in THE. Nba tibbs does not trust his, bench, Right
that's very well.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Known happened In.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Chicago, unfortunately after that you Saw Derek, Rose we're. Down
you start, Joking, noah like these guys' Careers Luell. Dang
your curves kind of ended early Because TIBs ran him
into the ground and the next players clearly pushed back on.
That bridges actually mentioned In, March yeah we Got Landry.
Shammitt why isn't he planned? More?
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Well, TIBBS i guess saw the light and started.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Playing Landry shammon in The pacer, Series but unfortunately it
was a little bit too. Late Landry shammitt couldn't save the.
Day so now you have to, wonder, like does this
change the trajectory of Say Carl Anthony. Towns now we
know he is A TIBs guy dating back To. Minnesota
is he all of a sudden on the trading? Block
like what Happens Mikhail bridges who has had for five
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first round picks and is looking for a big money?
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Extension do you pay?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Him do you try to get three guys to create
him and the aggregate next? Year does this mess everything?
Up but most, importantly where do The knicks head for
a head? Coach AND i do want to quickly defend.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Tives just give me a.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Second there was a nineteen year stretch where The knicks
won one playoff. Series, Okay thibodeau has won four in
the last three.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Seasons he has been.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Successful look at this Under Tom, thibodeaux five, seasons four
playoff appearances and you see that winning record.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
THERE i know this is gonna be.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Surprising he has more wins with The knicks than Pat.
Riley it's just a mind blowing stat Like Tom thibodeau's been.
Great and we should also add Before TIBs came on,
board eighteen, seasons twelve different head, coaches so they finally
get their act. Together and now we're back in the
head coaching cycle for The. Knicks who's gonna be the
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next head? Coach, well you, know at the top of next,
Hour i'm gonna reveal my five top names to Replace,
thibodeau and then a really spicy name THAT i haven't
really seen bandied. About it doesn't seem, realistic BUT i
think there could be some potential. There what's gonna happen
next with The? Knicks, NOW i do want to pivot
to a really explosive report in The athletic About Kevin,
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durant and oh, boy, folks it don't look good For Kevin.
Durant let me start here by, Saying Kevin durant is
one of the fifteen greatest players in the history of.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Basketball full. Stop we all.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Agree the guy won AN, mvp CARRIED ok seed to the,
finals goes To Golden, state wins two finals. MVPs his
resume speaks for. Itself Kevin durant has had an incredible.
Career it's inarguable that being, said we, know sports are
what have you done for me? Lately and in some,
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ways you, Know Kevin durant is the guy who used
to be AN a list actor and get all the
first look at, scripts and now he's not getting any.
LOOKS i Mean Nick cage comes to. Mind you, know
won An Academy award for Leaving Las. Vegas what has
that guy done? Lately Where's Nick cage the last ten?
Years can he open a?
Speaker 9 (11:59):
Movie no?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
SHOT i Mean Will? Smith Will smith has an unbelievable movie.
RESUME i, MEAN I Am legend is like probably one
of my top ten movies of all. TIME i Love
Will smith as an. Actor, Again, like is he getting
any good looks? Anymore what are they starting Filming Bad boys?
For you? Know like that's Where Kevin durant is in his.
CAREER i don't know if anybody wants. Them AND i
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know what the trade, deadline there were teams involved and
talking to The.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Suns you had.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Reports i'm gonna put those in air, quotes reports that
five teams Wanted Kevin. Durant, well the latest report in
The athletic is that The Phoenix suns keep calling The Houston,
rockets and The sons keep lowering their asking.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Price Kevin durant is thirty, six and we know he's
still a. Bucket, okay that's that's. Obvious Kevin. Durant he
can give you twenty five points a. Night that's.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Great, yeah so Can Moe wagner And Jalen. GREEN i,
mean these guys are ten years younger and they can
score almost What Kevin durant. Us And Kevin durant is
also kind of an ordinery prickly fellow who, oh by the,
way has not been great in the playoffs. Lately, guys
the Super Team, sons, yes D Book durant And Bradley
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beial qualifies as a super. Team that's three ALL nba
players joining. Forces they didn't make the playoffs this, year.
Okay Kevin durant has been swept in two of his
last three trips to the, playoffs and, yes both were
with super. Teams NEED i remind you the super team
fiasco In, brooklyn which is really deserves its own thirty
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for Thirty it was A.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Hindenburg.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Okay they got swept in his last playoff appearance By
Jason tatum and The celtics Like Kevin durant in the
postseason is not what we he used to. Be, again
you could LOVE kd and he's a, bucket but he's
turning thirty seven In. September Here's Rick buker earlier this
week talking about the trickiness of how to Move Kevin.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
Durant the tricky part is are you just getting him
as a one year rental or is he going to
sign an? Extension do you want to sign him to?
Extension what does that extension look. Like there's a lot
of tricky parts to. That to your, point because Of kd's, AGE.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
I just don't know what the market is For Kevin.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Durant SO i started looking at the standings and teams
that could be close and looking At Kevin durant's fifty
four million dollar contract next, year and, yeah, okay, sure
he's going to give you twenty five twenty seven points a.
Game he don't want to be a. Leader so if
you Expect Kevin durant to go to a young team
and maybe be that, leader be that agent of change
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who's going to take them up the next, step And
i'll toss one out, there you, Know Kevin durant went
to The university Of. Texas he Loves, austin has a
very big affinity for the. City, hey The San Antonio,
spurs could that? Work Wee Ben yama Dieron Fox Kevin,
durant maybe that's. Something and then you look at what
The spurs are and you're, Like, okay well we're not
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giving Up Stefan cassel for to Rent Kevin durant for one?
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Year Is webbin yamen Kd is that doing anything in The?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
West AND i look around The Houston, rockets, folks they
would rather Chase giannis than go After Kevin. DURANT i,
MEAN i don't you, know a couple of years, Ago Kevin,
durant you, know he grew up in THE dc.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Area there's a legend In maryland growing.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Up AND i floated the, idea why wouldn't he go
to The, wizards you, know and joined forces with Like
John wall And Bradley. Beal this is way, back and
it's Like wizards are one of the worst teams in
the league right. NOW i, mean is that the kind
of thing where we're gonna See Vin durant end up
on a bad? Team somebody in our morning, meeting, floated
what about The Atlanta, HAWKS, Kd Trey, Young Jalen johnson
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coming back FROM i don't.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Know and, Again i'm a Huge Kevin durant.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Fan, yes we've had our online beefs a few times
over the, years BUT i love him as a basketball.
PLAYER i don't love THE i just want to. HOOP
i don't want to be a leader. THING i, mean
could we see him In detroit.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
To help The pistol get over the. Top but then
you look at The.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Piston salaries and it's, Like, okay are we dumping any
of our good young? Players, hey we need on Sar.
Thompson you're not getting, him not For Kevin durant for
one freaking. Year and the more we talk About kadi
and you read stories about The sun's lowering their asking,
price you start to, wonder, like she's of The son's
gonna have to attach a draft, pick assuming.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
They have any left to get Off Kevin.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Durant are we in a world Where Kevin durant is
close to ending his career Like Patrick ewing did with
The Seattle. Sonics you, guys remember A lajahwan wearing A Raptor's.
JERSEY i, Mean Karl malone's sitting on the bench with
The lakers like we're Not this is like a year
or two. Away maybe For Kevin, Durant he's either gonna
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have to have a big reality check and, understand, Dude
i'm not that guy.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Anymore Or Kevin duran's gonna have to change his.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Ways and, say you know, WHAT i will be a
leader for a young team because IF i need twenty five,
Points i'll go Get Tyler. Hero, SORRY i don't Think
Kevin durant's defense is that superior to what you're getting
at fifty four million playing the position he. Does And
i'll leave you with, this, like, AGAIN i don't want
to be seen as taking jabs At Kevin, durant but
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at this stage in the, game like what do you
do with?
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Him is there a world where nobody Wants Kevin.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Durant as shocking as that, SOUNDS i think we're getting
close To Kevin durant not really getting the interest that
he thought he. Would so he goes super teams and
now he goes kind of out with a. Whimper all,
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Speaker 5 (18:49):
Rich welcome back into the.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Herd we got to go To New york now to
figure out who put the nice And Tom thibodeau's back sort.
Of Mitch, lawrence who's covered The knicks, FOREVER nba writer
Host SIRIUS.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Xm he's got an amazing background there as you could.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
See All, Right, mitch so we were talking during the
commercial break and you described The garden as a pit
full of.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Vipers can you kind of break down what?
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Happened Because tipoteau just led the next to their best
season this century and then he gets, asked.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
YEAH i mean he had their best playoff run since
nineteen ninety, nine and the fans were partying like it
was nineteen ninety, nine and all of a, sudden he's
the guy who's the. Scapegoat it. Is, listen The garden
front office is full of. Vipers these are guys who
have their own. Agendas whatever they, are they leak stuff
to the. Media they want certain people and certain people,
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out and they had it in For. Tom it goes beyond, Basketball.
Jason it goes beyond he didn't develop a. Bench it
goes beyond guys didn't know their. Roles it goes beyond you,
know you didn't have an offensive. Imagination this goes beyond
all that. Stuff and now we're going to see Who Jim,
dolan the, owner you, know who gets his ear and
who he talks to and who they settle on as
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the next.
Speaker 9 (20:09):
Coach it'd, say this is WHAT i WHEN i, was you.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Know based In New york and at The New York
Daily news doing twenty one years OF nba, columns this
was familiar ground for anybody who dealt with The nicks
and dealt With Jim. Dolan it is a it's a
it's a treacherous place if you're a, coach because you're
the guy who's the face of the. Franchise they don't
Let Leon rose. Talk dolan doesn't. Talk So Tom thibodeau
was the guy who had a. Talk they don't. Help
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nobody's held accountable in terms Of Leon rose Or Jim.
Speaker 9 (20:37):
Dolan and you, know stuff like this.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Happens it's a very it's run differently than any other,
organization and it's been unsuccessful in a lot of. Ways you,
know it's the Anti, spurs Anti, miami whatever you want
to call. It they do things their own, way and
for the most, part Before time came on, board they
were irrelevant and a dumpster, fire and THEY i Think
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nick fans probably fear now that's the road they're headed back.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
On, yeah especially if you don't make the right.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Higher so who would you say has the biggest poll
or the most poll in making the? Higher is It
dolan who's kind of been out of the, mix you
know he was with The sphere In vegas?
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Building that.
Speaker 9 (21:20):
Is?
Speaker 5 (21:20):
It Leon? Rose do the players have us say? Here
we know it's a players.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
LEAGUE i, Mean Jalen brunson couldn't Save, TIBs but how
do you break that?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Down, Well Jalen Jalen brunson Liked, TIBs so he and
they didn't listen to. Him so you also have to
wonder what that means for, him especially if they get
rid of his father who's on the. BENCH i think
that has to be a concern For nick fans. Too,
LISTEN i think it's gonna probably be a few. People
it'll Be Leon, rose they'll run By. Dolan dolan will you,
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know do his. Checks it's hard to tell. It it's
because nobody really talks. Publicly like what they should do
is Have Leon rose out there today to, say this
is why we Fire tom Tibbotall i'm gonna take questions
and answers and by the, way this is what we're
looking for in our next. Coach give people an idea
of what they're going. For but The knicks don't do
things like that like other. Teams they don't make people
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you know that Pat riley goes public after his team
gets wiped off the court Against cleveland and he owns
up to. Stuff The knicks don't do, that so you
never know their game. Plan so it's very hard to
say exactly how it's all gonna, run or who's gonna
have the, power who's gonna you, know who wants who out?
There it's, oh you're always dealing with a lot of
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mystery at the.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Garden, yeah and it feels, LIKE i don't know if
you use the word, accountability but Like Leon, rose like
shouldn't you step up and meet the media and talk
about this.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
NOW i mean that seems like the way we should do.
Speaker 9 (22:47):
It, no everybody does it that way in the.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
LEAGUE i mentioned Pat Riley Brad stevens when thing went
south For boston this year they're sending. Champs he met
with the media and he Had Darryn Nick nurse meet In.
Philadelphia nobody had a worst year expectation wise than Probably.
Philadelphia Jim dolan doesn't want his, people Like Leon rose
and other gms before, him to speak. Publicly he kind
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of has an ant you, know you hear teams having
a you, know a media. Policy he has an anti media.
Policy that's where as long AS i you, know for
the longest, time and a lot of it dates back
to that sexual harassment case and you, know post that
in twenty oh, seven that's already eighteen years Where Isaiah
thomas and The knicks got in big. Trouble it Costs
dolan twelve million. Dollars after, that the league basically held
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Sway David stern over The.
Speaker 9 (23:38):
Knicks that's when they Hired Donnie.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Walsh Jim dolan listened to THE nba, then but since,
then he he does things his. Way he's not going
to Have Leon rose at all talk to the. Media
the next coach will be the face of the, franchise
just Like tom. Was Tom, tibodeau which adds, to you,
know the pressure of the job In New. York now
you're the. Coach not only you have to coach the,
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team prepared the. Team now you're also the face and
the voice of the. Franchise puts a lot of pressure
on that next. Coach besides the fact that obviously the
next coach has a very high.
Speaker 9 (24:10):
Bar you got to come. In you got to win
eleven playoff games Because tom just one ye.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Ten i'm gonna throw some names at. You you tell
me your.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Thoughts but, first The Phoenix suns have just announced that
they have Hired calvs Assistant Jordan.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Ott you know whoever that. IS i don't know that
that is a move based on what The knicks are.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Doing but there is a, Guy Johnny, bryant whose name
has been bandied about as a Potential knicks. CANDIDATE i
don't think you go From Tom thibodeau To Johnny, bryant do. You.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
WELL i don't think so, Either but that doesn't mean
it can't. Happen and he seems to be the front
runner right.
Speaker 9 (24:48):
Now he was In New.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
York now you Mentioned jordan not getting The phoenix. Job
Johnny bryant was also.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Up for that.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Job so now he works In cleveland For Kenny, atkinson
but he had been In New. York he's familiar with
the front. Office people are familiar with. Him he's got
people who will hope he gets his. Job he has people,
who from my, understanding who hope he doesn't get the. Job,
listen if you think you're a championship, contender AND i
don't think The knicks. ARE i think they're a decent
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cut below with that, roster with their two best players
being one way offensive players and defensive. Liabilities i'm talking
About Jalen brunts And Karl Anthony. Towns you've built around
those those. GUYS i don't think he can bring in
a guy like A Johnny bryant who's never been a
head coach, certainly you, know and all of a sudden
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entrust him to actually exceed What Tom thibodeau. DID i
think that's an impossible spot for. Him AND i think
that's the thing THAT i Think nick fans have to
be worried.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
About, Yeah Michael malone was fired By denver maybe two months. Ago,
yeah he feels Like thibodeaux two point zero doesn't like
to play young, guys rides his starters like that was
an issue For. TIBBS i would Cross Michael malone off
the list of your thoughts.
Speaker 9 (26:03):
Just based on. That, WELL i will say, this if
you go back to His denver team and now he Had.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
JOKIC i Know sga is THE, mvp but this is
like back in The Michael jordan, Era Mcarl malone won THE.
Mvp we all knew That Michael jordan was the best
player in the, world just like now we know That
jokic is the best player in the. World he only
had a bench of basically three Guys Jeff, Green Bruce.
Speaker 9 (26:26):
Brown And Christian. Brett that's. It they won the title that.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Way so if you're hung up on this, bench nonsense
that he won't play your.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
BENCH i, mean think of it this. Way The Tom,
thibodeau is he really the first coach.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
In the history of THE nba maybe sports to get
fired because he didn't he didn't develop a.
Speaker 9 (26:46):
Bench it's. Absurd it's. Absurd look who's on his.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Bench Mike malone had a great bench with those three
players versus What Tom thibodeau had to work. With but,
anyway that's a whole different. STORY i would Hire Mike.
Malone he Knows New. York his father coached In New.
YORK i Knew Brendan malone when he was an assistant
In syracuse WHEN i started out in the newspaper racket
in nineteen. EIGHTIES i go back that far When Michael
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malone was running around and basically.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
Diapers, YEAH i think it's the hell of a. Coach
now ten.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Years In, denver long, time won a. Title maybe got
a little full of, himself that's what people.
Speaker 9 (27:20):
SAY i don't. KNOW i havn't talked To mike since,
then but he's a very good.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Coach and let's not forget where was he before he
landed In denver and did a great job their first title.
Speaker 9 (27:30):
Ever he was In.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Sacramento he did a great job there for a franchise
that continues to you, KNOW i, mean that's just like
total dysfunction out there except for a few, moments, right
except for a very few, Moments And michaelone did a
good job.
Speaker 9 (27:45):
THERE i Think nick.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Fans would actually, say you know, what if we Got Mike, Malone,
yeah we can go places and not worry about what
he did with his bench In.
Speaker 9 (27:53):
Denver just look at his. Accomplishments the only, thing, Though,
jason is is he going to come In you're going to, say,
well he hadn't. Know let's see how he does without.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Yoga without the basket. Player, yeah that's not all.
Speaker 9 (28:03):
Right let me throw.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
One he's currently coaching The Dallas mavericks and his name
Is Jesse.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Kidd he played with The.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Knicks, obviously he was not brought in uh to talk
about The luca. Deal he looked shell shocked at the
press conference. Afterward are The nickson upgrade from The? MAPS
i don't. Know.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Jason kid's an interesting.
Speaker 9 (28:26):
Name it is an interesting.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Name you, know if you look at The knicks in
terms of where they are in The, east you, Know
indiana is there. Now boston's not gonna Have tatum for
probably a, year but they're going to be. Back you've
Got detroit on the rise Or. Orlando we'll see what
happens In milwaukee With. Jannis The, Knicks, uh you know
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they're gonna they're probably gonna take a step back with
a new. COACH i don't know How. Jason first of,
all he has a job In. Dallas like you raised
the point with his, Roster he's not gonna Have Kyrie
irving for a. While he'll Have Anthony. Davis we know
That Anthony davis cannot stay on the court at, points
but he's going to Get cooper flat. Right it sounds
like they're going to keep that draft picking up Pick cooper.
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Flag so it would have to be some sort of
a trade to Get Jason. Kidd they're gonna have to
get some sort of. Compensation and who knows What Nico
harrison And Patrick dumont the owner are thinking these days
About Jason.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
KIDD i have no.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Idea ALL i know is that The maverick fans are
STILL i rate That Luka doncis is A laker that
has not gone.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Away yeah all, Right Mitch, LAWRENCE nba, writers, serious SERIOUS xm.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Hosts great. STUFF i like the Blue knick's shirt. Turtleneck nice, Job,
mitch thanks a lot.
Speaker 9 (29:40):
Man thanks for having. Me jason enjoyed.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
It, yeah interesting. Stuff he's bullish On Michael. Malone.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
LISTEN i was Pushing Michael malone's name a month ago
when The knicks were struggling Against detroit AND i was,
LIKE i don't if they can't get By, detroit just
Get TIBs out of here Bringing.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Malone then they beat The celtics And i'm, like just
Keep TIBs
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Yeah kidding, I'm still in my prime. I would rock
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money guys coming up in a few minutes, rick Yucker.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Never miss it when Rick joins because we always spar
over stuff, and I'm sure he's gonna love the list
that I just.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
Came up with. We'll talk about it right now.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
So obviously SGA and the Thunder going to the finals
against Haliburton and the Pacers.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
And we saw that over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Lebron did a podcast with Luka Doncic along with Steve Nash,
and they were talking about Luca's style, and I said,
why don't we do a list the top five players
in the NBA without a ring. And here's what Lebron
and Luca talked about that got me to that point.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Here we go.
Speaker 7 (01:39):
Obviously, we've seen throughout his career, like there's plays and
passes that certain guys that in the league history have
ever been able to make. I mean, it's always his pace,
has always been his pace. And he's never ever been
on the floor where he's allowed someone to dictate where
they're gonna put him on the floor. It's always been
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in the opposite, you know. And for us, we all
work on all of that. We just got to stay ready.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Hm, you know what this is leading up to, right people.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I'm a Luca guy, and this is not just Johnny
come lately, this is not since he got to the Lakers.
But I'm a huge Luca fan So I thought i'd
rank going from five to one the five best players
in the NBA without a ring. Now, this caused some
drama in the morning meeting, and I out of the
corner of my eye, I can see Rick Buker just like,
oh my gosh. So let's start with number five, fifth
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best player right now in the NBA without a ring,
and that's got to be my guy, Jalen Brunson. He
is a phenomenal talent. He is emergist from of the
best point guards in the league.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
He's a you know, sub six' three point, guard which
some people think you can't win. With And brunson only
does his deliver.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Buckets, now why they didn't get by The. PACERS i
don't think it's fully On. Brunson obviously his defense was
not up to. Stuff but the fifth spot came down
to me For brunson Or, haliburton And i'm, SORRY i
Think brunson slightly better Than.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Haliburton SO i.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Go brunson at number, five the fourth best player in
THE nba without a.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Ring here we go a little bit of a. Curveball Jimmy. Butler,
now somebody tried to tell me in the morning.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Needing oh my, God Jay, Mack joel embiid it's so
much better Than Jimmy butler AND i almost like vomited
in my. Mouth come, on, Guy Jimmy butler as an
alpha led The Miami.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Heat to the championship. Twice, okay that's a.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Superstar.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
NOW i know he's getting up there an.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Agent he's not what he was three years, ago but
he is still a phenomenal. TALENT i love The Jimmy butler.
Story back to my radio. Days Like Jimmy butler coming
out of like living on he was. CouchSurfing, okay had
to like fax in his resume to get.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Into college At.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Marquette like this guy was interrupt spot and he has
just become a star in THE.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
NBA i love everything About Jimmy.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
BUTLER i don't love he'll get a, title BUT.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
I have his fourth best player in the league without a.
Ring number. Three let's go to THE, Mvp Shay Gilgess.
ALEXANDER i have a Feeling rick's gonna have him in.
ONE i Think SGA's a really good. Player obviously great.
Seasons he's on a really good. TEAM sga does everything.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Well i'm not gonna say he's a jack of all,
trades master of none because he's the master of the
mid range right, now he just gets buckets at the mid.
Range probably gonna get his title this, year right, favorite
the fifth biggest favorite in like the last fifty years or, WHATEVER.
Sga third best player in the league without a.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Ring number Two Anthony.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Edwards, YES i Believe Anthony edwards is better Than Shake Gilges. Alexander,
sorry he's, younger he's got a better offensive. Bag he's
led the league in threes this. Season he just doesn't
have as good of a team As, Okay, SEE i
Think Anthony edwards is. Phenomenal all this future faith of
the league, stuff it's, legit. Guys he's that, good now
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is he a little goofy off the court and sometimes
not locked in and he loves a good ig baddie
who does? It but Once Anthony edwards grows up just
a little, bit alex stop. Laughing once he grows, up
just atle, Bit Anthony.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Edwards is going to be the top player in THE.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Nba, now for the number one player in THE nba
without a.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Ring it's got to Be. Luca who's better Than?
Speaker 4 (05:09):
LUCA i have him right there in The Jokich giannis
class and my things THAT i coped theme back to
all the.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Time luca makes everyone around him. Better he did it In.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Dallas they got to the finals last year because he
made everyone around him.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Better That dallas, team it's not a great. Team look
at them this. Year what would they do this?
Speaker 7 (05:29):
Year?
Speaker 5 (05:29):
NOW i Know kyrie got, heard but they had a
d and largely the same.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Guys That luca had that he put on his back
and got to the. Finals for, Me luca dont just
the best player in THE nba without a.
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HELL i want to welcome back to The.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Herd it's Me jason McIntyre here IN la on A,
wednesday and boy do we have a spicy show. Ahead
i'm joined as always By Alex. Curry, ALEX i had
several people ask me about the ghost.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Topic yesterday you brought up and they were fired up
about the.
Speaker 8 (06:13):
Ghosts, no, Okay, jami the way you see it is
like you think like white cheet.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Scary No i'm talking about like, energy so you can feel.
Energy and it's, Funny.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
TOAD a lot of people bring it up to me,
too and it's all women who can feel.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
It you see. It we can't say, anything, no but
women have like strong.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
INFLUSITIONS i mean we're basically like.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Gods great pretty. Much. YEAH i don't see the paper
towel being. Empty it's not the toilet. PAPER i don't
even see that. Stuff it's not like what cartoons and
movies ghosts. Terrified all, right so.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Listen, obviously we got to start the show with the
big news in THE nba yesterday My New York, knicks
who finally seemed to get their act together, right greatest
season this, century and they fire their, Coach Tom tibodau
gets fired yesterday and what like the middle of the,
Show alex AND i were. Stunned that was closer to
the end of the. Show and one interesting nugget trickled
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out overnight regarding how this. Happened because remember a lot of,
folks myself, included thought it maybe you just bring tigitew
back and you run it, back you, know you, guys
two games away from THE Nba, finals took down the
defending Champion. Celtics why not run it? Back but this
nugget trickled out of the exit. Interviews, apparently when The
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knicks were Interviewing Josh, Hart Michael, Bridges Jalen, brunson one
certain play person in the organization happened to sit in
on those exit, interviews and.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
That Was James, dolan who's largely been a ghost the
last five. Years do you like that play on words?
Speaker 4 (07:46):
There, Uh dolan has not been around The knicks because
he's been running the sphere In vegas and getting that
off the, ground and obviously that's a great win for Mister.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Dolan but sitting in on.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
The exit interviews and all of a sudden, boom the
head coach has, gone you have to wonder did he hear.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Something he didn't? Like, well we know that that.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Just something did not come From Jalen, brunson who staunchly
defended his. Coach after The knicks were eliminated by The,
pacers we had a reporter, say, well what do you
think About?
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Tibbs is you got to make it?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Back And brunson was, like is that a real? Question
we Know brunson like, Tips he's known tib since he
was a young. Guy Rick, brunson his father who's done
with The knicks staff played for The knicks and like.
That there's a lot of internal. Stuff brunson And thibodeau
were At. Copacetic but what we do know is That
Josh hart had beef at points this season With thibodeaux
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And Mikale. Bridges as recently as the middle Of, march piped,
up why aren't we playing our? Bench why are we
playing so many? Minutes what's going on?
Speaker 5 (08:48):
HERE i? Mean and the numbers bear it.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Out The knick starters averaged more points per game than
any other starting unit in the last forty five years
in THE. Nba tibbs does not trust his, bench, Right
that's very well.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Known happened In.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Chicago, unfortunately after that you Saw Derek, Rose we're. Down
you start, Joking, noah like these guys' Careers Luell. Dang
your curves kind of ended early Because TIBs ran him
into the ground and the next players clearly pushed back on.
That bridges actually mentioned In, March yeah we Got Landry.
Shammitt why isn't he planned? More?
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Well, TIBBS i guess saw the light and started.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Playing Landry shammon in The pacer, Series but unfortunately it
was a little bit too. Late Landry shammitt couldn't save the.
Day so now you have to, wonder, like does this
change the trajectory of Say Carl Anthony. Towns now we
know he is A TIBs guy dating back To. Minnesota
is he all of a sudden on the trading? Block
like what Happens Mikhail bridges who has had for five
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first round picks and is looking for a big money?
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Extension do you pay?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Him do you try to get three guys to create
him and the aggregate next? Year does this mess everything?
Up but most, importantly where do The knicks head for
a head? Coach AND i do want to quickly defend.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Tives just give me a.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Second there was a nineteen year stretch where The knicks
won one playoff. Series, Okay thibodeau has won four in
the last three.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Seasons he has been.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Successful look at this Under Tom, thibodeaux five, seasons four
playoff appearances and you see that winning record.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
THERE i know this is gonna be.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Surprising he has more wins with The knicks than Pat.
Riley it's just a mind blowing stat Like Tom thibodeau's been.
Great and we should also add Before TIBs came on,
board eighteen, seasons twelve different head, coaches so they finally
get their act. Together and now we're back in the
head coaching cycle for The. Knicks who's gonna be the
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next head? Coach, well you, know at the top of next,
Hour i'm gonna reveal my five top names to Replace,
thibodeau and then a really spicy name THAT i haven't
really seen bandied. About it doesn't seem, realistic BUT i
think there could be some potential. There what's gonna happen
next with The? Knicks, NOW i do want to pivot
to a really explosive report in The athletic About Kevin,
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durant and oh, boy, folks it don't look good For Kevin.
Durant let me start here by, Saying Kevin durant is
one of the fifteen greatest players in the history of.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Basketball full. Stop we all.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Agree the guy won AN, mvp CARRIED ok seed to the,
finals goes To Golden, state wins two finals. MVPs his
resume speaks for. Itself Kevin durant has had an incredible.
Career it's inarguable that being, said we, know sports are
what have you done for me? Lately and in some,
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ways you, Know Kevin durant is the guy who used
to be AN a list actor and get all the
first look at, scripts and now he's not getting any.
LOOKS i Mean Nick cage comes to. Mind you, know
won An Academy award for Leaving Las. Vegas what has
that guy done? Lately Where's Nick cage the last ten?
Years can he open a?
Speaker 9 (11:59):
Movie no?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
SHOT i Mean Will? Smith Will smith has an unbelievable movie.
RESUME i, MEAN I Am legend is like probably one
of my top ten movies of all. TIME i Love
Will smith as an. Actor, Again, like is he getting
any good looks? Anymore what are they starting Filming Bad boys?
For you? Know like that's Where Kevin durant is in his.
CAREER i don't know if anybody wants. Them AND i
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know what the trade, deadline there were teams involved and
talking to The.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Suns you had.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Reports i'm gonna put those in air, quotes reports that
five teams Wanted Kevin. Durant, well the latest report in
The athletic is that The Phoenix suns keep calling The Houston,
rockets and The sons keep lowering their asking.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Price Kevin durant is thirty, six and we know he's
still a. Bucket, okay that's that's. Obvious Kevin. Durant he
can give you twenty five points a. Night that's.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Great, yeah so Can Moe wagner And Jalen. GREEN i,
mean these guys are ten years younger and they can
score almost What Kevin durant. Us And Kevin durant is
also kind of an ordinery prickly fellow who, oh by the,
way has not been great in the playoffs. Lately, guys
the Super Team, sons, yes D Book durant And Bradley
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beial qualifies as a super. Team that's three ALL nba
players joining. Forces they didn't make the playoffs this, year.
Okay Kevin durant has been swept in two of his
last three trips to the, playoffs and, yes both were
with super. Teams NEED i remind you the super team
fiasco In, brooklyn which is really deserves its own thirty
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for Thirty it was A.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Hindenburg.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Okay they got swept in his last playoff appearance By
Jason tatum and The celtics Like Kevin durant in the
postseason is not what we he used to. Be, again
you could LOVE kd and he's a, bucket but he's
turning thirty seven In. September Here's Rick buker earlier this
week talking about the trickiness of how to Move Kevin.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
Durant the tricky part is are you just getting him
as a one year rental or is he going to
sign an? Extension do you want to sign him to?
Extension what does that extension look. Like there's a lot
of tricky parts to. That to your, point because Of kd's, AGE.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
I just don't know what the market is For Kevin.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Durant SO i started looking at the standings and teams
that could be close and looking At Kevin durant's fifty
four million dollar contract next, year and, yeah, okay, sure
he's going to give you twenty five twenty seven points a.
Game he don't want to be a. Leader so if
you Expect Kevin durant to go to a young team
and maybe be that, leader be that agent of change
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who's going to take them up the next, step And
i'll toss one out, there you, Know Kevin durant went
to The university Of. Texas he Loves, austin has a
very big affinity for the. City, hey The San Antonio,
spurs could that? Work Wee Ben yama Dieron Fox Kevin,
durant maybe that's. Something and then you look at what
The spurs are and you're, Like, okay well we're not
(15:00):
giving Up Stefan cassel for to Rent Kevin durant for one?
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Year Is webbin yamen Kd is that doing anything in The?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
West AND i look around The Houston, rockets, folks they
would rather Chase giannis than go After Kevin. DURANT i,
MEAN i don't you, know a couple of years, Ago Kevin,
durant you, know he grew up in THE dc.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Area there's a legend In maryland growing.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Up AND i floated the, idea why wouldn't he go
to The, wizards you, know and joined forces with Like
John wall And Bradley. Beal this is way, back and
it's Like wizards are one of the worst teams in
the league right. NOW i, mean is that the kind
of thing where we're gonna See Vin durant end up
on a bad? Team somebody in our morning, meeting, floated
what about The Atlanta, HAWKS, Kd Trey, Young Jalen johnson
(15:40):
coming back FROM i don't.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Know and, Again i'm a Huge Kevin durant.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Fan, yes we've had our online beefs a few times
over the, years BUT i love him as a basketball.
PLAYER i don't love THE i just want to. HOOP
i don't want to be a leader. THING i, mean
could we see him In detroit.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
To help The pistol get over the. Top but then
you look at The.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Piston salaries and it's, Like, okay are we dumping any
of our good young? Players, hey we need on Sar.
Thompson you're not getting, him not For Kevin durant for
one freaking. Year and the more we talk About kadi
and you read stories about The sun's lowering their asking,
price you start to, wonder, like she's of The son's
gonna have to attach a draft, pick assuming.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
They have any left to get Off Kevin.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Durant are we in a world Where Kevin durant is
close to ending his career Like Patrick ewing did with
The Seattle. Sonics you, guys remember A lajahwan wearing A Raptor's.
JERSEY i, Mean Karl malone's sitting on the bench with
The lakers like we're Not this is like a year
or two. Away maybe For Kevin, Durant he's either gonna
(16:45):
have to have a big reality check and, understand, Dude
i'm not that guy.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Anymore Or Kevin duran's gonna have to change his.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Ways and, say you know, WHAT i will be a
leader for a young team because IF i need twenty five,
Points i'll go Get Tyler. Hero, SORRY i don't Think
Kevin durant's defense is that superior to what you're getting
at fifty four million playing the position he. Does And
i'll leave you with, this, like, AGAIN i don't want
to be seen as taking jabs At Kevin, durant but
(17:14):
at this stage in the, game like what do you
do with?
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Him is there a world where nobody Wants Kevin.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Durant as shocking as that, SOUNDS i think we're getting
close To Kevin durant not really getting the interest that
he thought he. Would so he goes super teams and
now he goes kind of out with a. Whimper all,
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Speaker 4 (18:55):
Herd we got to go To New york now to
figure out who put the nice And Tom thibodeau's back sort.
Of Mitch, lawrence who's covered The knicks, FOREVER nba writer
Host SIRIUS.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Xm he's got an amazing background there as you could.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
See All, Right, mitch so we were talking during the
commercial break and you described The garden as a pit
full of.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Vipers can you kind of break down what?
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Happened Because tipoteau just led the next to their best
season this century and then he gets, asked.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
YEAH i mean he had their best playoff run since
nineteen ninety, nine and the fans were partying like it
was nineteen ninety, nine and all of a, sudden he's
the guy who's the. Scapegoat it. Is, listen The garden
front office is full of. Vipers these are guys who
have their own. Agendas whatever they, are they leak stuff
to the. Media they want certain people and certain people,
(19:47):
out and they had it in For. Tom it goes beyond, Basketball.
Jason it goes beyond he didn't develop a. Bench it
goes beyond guys didn't know their. Roles it goes beyond you,
know you didn't have an offensive. Imagination this goes beyond
all that. Stuff and now we're going to see Who Jim,
dolan the, owner you, know who gets his ear and
who he talks to and who they settle on as
(20:08):
the next.
Speaker 9 (20:09):
Coach it'd, say this is WHAT i WHEN i, was you.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Know based In New york and at The New York
Daily news doing twenty one years OF nba, columns this
was familiar ground for anybody who dealt with The nicks
and dealt With Jim. Dolan it is a it's a
it's a treacherous place if you're a, coach because you're
the guy who's the face of the. Franchise they don't
Let Leon rose. Talk dolan doesn't. Talk So Tom thibodeau
was the guy who had a. Talk they don't. Help
(20:34):
nobody's held accountable in terms Of Leon rose Or Jim.
Speaker 9 (20:37):
Dolan and you, know stuff like this.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Happens it's a very it's run differently than any other,
organization and it's been unsuccessful in a lot of. Ways you,
know it's the Anti, spurs Anti, miami whatever you want
to call. It they do things their own, way and
for the most, part Before time came on, board they
were irrelevant and a dumpster, fire and THEY i Think
(21:02):
nick fans probably fear now that's the road they're headed back.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
On, yeah especially if you don't make the right.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Higher so who would you say has the biggest poll
or the most poll in making the? Higher is It
dolan who's kind of been out of the, mix you
know he was with The sphere In vegas?
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Building that.
Speaker 9 (21:20):
Is?
Speaker 5 (21:20):
It Leon? Rose do the players have us say? Here
we know it's a players.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
LEAGUE i, Mean Jalen brunson couldn't Save, TIBs but how
do you break that?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Down, Well Jalen Jalen brunson Liked, TIBs so he and
they didn't listen to. Him so you also have to
wonder what that means for, him especially if they get
rid of his father who's on the. BENCH i think
that has to be a concern For nick fans. Too,
LISTEN i think it's gonna probably be a few. People
it'll Be Leon, rose they'll run By. Dolan dolan will you,
(21:50):
know do his. Checks it's hard to tell. It it's
because nobody really talks. Publicly like what they should do
is Have Leon rose out there today to, say this
is why we Fire tom Tibbotall i'm gonna take questions
and answers and by the, way this is what we're
looking for in our next. Coach give people an idea
of what they're going. For but The knicks don't do
things like that like other. Teams they don't make people
(22:13):
you know that Pat riley goes public after his team
gets wiped off the court Against cleveland and he owns
up to. Stuff The knicks don't do, that so you
never know their game. Plan so it's very hard to
say exactly how it's all gonna, run or who's gonna
have the, power who's gonna you, know who wants who out?
There it's, oh you're always dealing with a lot of
(22:35):
mystery at the.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Garden, yeah and it feels, LIKE i don't know if
you use the word, accountability but Like Leon, rose like
shouldn't you step up and meet the media and talk
about this.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
NOW i mean that seems like the way we should do.
Speaker 9 (22:47):
It, no everybody does it that way in the.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
LEAGUE i mentioned Pat Riley Brad stevens when thing went
south For boston this year they're sending. Champs he met
with the media and he Had Darryn Nick nurse meet In.
Philadelphia nobody had a worst year expectation wise than Probably.
Philadelphia Jim dolan doesn't want his, people Like Leon rose
and other gms before, him to speak. Publicly he kind
(23:13):
of has an ant you, know you hear teams having
a you, know a media. Policy he has an anti media.
Policy that's where as long AS i you, know for
the longest, time and a lot of it dates back
to that sexual harassment case and you, know post that
in twenty oh, seven that's already eighteen years Where Isaiah
thomas and The knicks got in big. Trouble it Costs
dolan twelve million. Dollars after, that the league basically held
(23:36):
Sway David stern over The.
Speaker 9 (23:38):
Knicks that's when they Hired Donnie.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Walsh Jim dolan listened to THE nba, then but since,
then he he does things his. Way he's not going
to Have Leon rose at all talk to the. Media
the next coach will be the face of the, franchise
just Like tom. Was Tom, tibodeau which adds, to you,
know the pressure of the job In New. York now
you're the. Coach not only you have to coach the,
(24:01):
team prepared the. Team now you're also the face and
the voice of the. Franchise puts a lot of pressure
on that next. Coach besides the fact that obviously the
next coach has a very high.
Speaker 9 (24:10):
Bar you got to come. In you got to win
eleven playoff games Because tom just one ye.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Ten i'm gonna throw some names at. You you tell
me your.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Thoughts but, first The Phoenix suns have just announced that
they have Hired calvs Assistant Jordan.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Ott you know whoever that. IS i don't know that
that is a move based on what The knicks are.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Doing but there is a, Guy Johnny, bryant whose name
has been bandied about as a Potential knicks. CANDIDATE i
don't think you go From Tom thibodeau To Johnny, bryant do. You.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
WELL i don't think so, Either but that doesn't mean
it can't. Happen and he seems to be the front
runner right.
Speaker 9 (24:48):
Now he was In New.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
York now you Mentioned jordan not getting The phoenix. Job
Johnny bryant was also.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Up for that.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Job so now he works In cleveland For Kenny, atkinson
but he had been In New. York he's familiar with
the front. Office people are familiar with. Him he's got
people who will hope he gets his. Job he has people,
who from my, understanding who hope he doesn't get the. Job,
listen if you think you're a championship, contender AND i
don't think The knicks. ARE i think they're a decent
(25:16):
cut below with that, roster with their two best players
being one way offensive players and defensive. Liabilities i'm talking
About Jalen brunts And Karl Anthony. Towns you've built around
those those. GUYS i don't think he can bring in
a guy like A Johnny bryant who's never been a
head coach, certainly you, know and all of a sudden
(25:37):
entrust him to actually exceed What Tom thibodeau. DID i
think that's an impossible spot for. Him AND i think
that's the thing THAT i Think nick fans have to
be worried.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
About, Yeah Michael malone was fired By denver maybe two months. Ago,
yeah he feels Like thibodeaux two point zero doesn't like
to play young, guys rides his starters like that was
an issue For. TIBBS i would Cross Michael malone off
the list of your thoughts.
Speaker 9 (26:03):
Just based on. That, WELL i will say, this if
you go back to His denver team and now he Had.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
JOKIC i Know sga is THE, mvp but this is
like back in The Michael jordan, Era Mcarl malone won THE.
Mvp we all knew That Michael jordan was the best
player in the, world just like now we know That
jokic is the best player in the. World he only
had a bench of basically three Guys Jeff, Green Bruce.
Speaker 9 (26:26):
Brown And Christian. Brett that's. It they won the title that.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Way so if you're hung up on this, bench nonsense
that he won't play your.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
BENCH i, mean think of it this. Way The Tom,
thibodeau is he really the first coach.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
In the history of THE nba maybe sports to get
fired because he didn't he didn't develop a.
Speaker 9 (26:46):
Bench it's. Absurd it's. Absurd look who's on his.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Bench Mike malone had a great bench with those three
players versus What Tom thibodeau had to work. With but,
anyway that's a whole different. STORY i would Hire Mike.
Malone he Knows New. York his father coached In New.
YORK i Knew Brendan malone when he was an assistant
In syracuse WHEN i started out in the newspaper racket
in nineteen. EIGHTIES i go back that far When Michael
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malone was running around and basically.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
Diapers, YEAH i think it's the hell of a. Coach
now ten.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Years In, denver long, time won a. Title maybe got
a little full of, himself that's what people.
Speaker 9 (27:20):
SAY i don't. KNOW i havn't talked To mike since,
then but he's a very good.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Coach and let's not forget where was he before he
landed In denver and did a great job their first title.
Speaker 9 (27:30):
Ever he was In.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Sacramento he did a great job there for a franchise
that continues to you, KNOW i, mean that's just like
total dysfunction out there except for a few, moments, right
except for a very few, Moments And michaelone did a
good job.
Speaker 9 (27:45):
THERE i Think nick.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Fans would actually, say you know, what if we Got Mike, Malone,
yeah we can go places and not worry about what
he did with his bench In.
Speaker 9 (27:53):
Denver just look at his. Accomplishments the only, thing, Though,
jason is is he going to come In you're going to, say,
well he hadn't. Know let's see how he does without.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Yoga without the basket. Player, yeah that's not all.
Speaker 9 (28:03):
Right let me throw.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
One he's currently coaching The Dallas mavericks and his name
Is Jesse.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Kidd he played with The.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Knicks, obviously he was not brought in uh to talk
about The luca. Deal he looked shell shocked at the
press conference. Afterward are The nickson upgrade from The? MAPS
i don't. Know.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Jason kid's an interesting.
Speaker 9 (28:26):
Name it is an interesting.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Name you, know if you look at The knicks in
terms of where they are in The, east you, Know
indiana is there. Now boston's not gonna Have tatum for
probably a, year but they're going to be. Back you've
Got detroit on the rise Or. Orlando we'll see what
happens In milwaukee With. Jannis The, Knicks, uh you know
(28:49):
they're gonna they're probably gonna take a step back with
a new. COACH i don't know How. Jason first of,
all he has a job In. Dallas like you raised
the point with his, Roster he's not gonna Have Kyrie
irving for a. While he'll Have Anthony. Davis we know
That Anthony davis cannot stay on the court at, points
but he's going to Get cooper flat. Right it sounds
like they're going to keep that draft picking up Pick cooper.
(29:10):
Flag so it would have to be some sort of
a trade to Get Jason. Kidd they're gonna have to
get some sort of. Compensation and who knows What Nico
harrison And Patrick dumont the owner are thinking these days
About Jason.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
KIDD i have no.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Idea ALL i know is that The maverick fans are
STILL i rate That Luka doncis is A laker that
has not gone.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Away yeah all, Right Mitch, LAWRENCE nba, writers, serious SERIOUS xm.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Hosts great. STUFF i like the Blue knick's shirt. Turtleneck nice, Job,
mitch thanks a lot.
Speaker 9 (29:40):
Man thanks for having. Me jason enjoyed.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
It, yeah interesting. Stuff he's bullish On Michael. Malone.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
LISTEN i was Pushing Michael malone's name a month ago
when The knicks were struggling Against detroit AND i was,
LIKE i don't if they can't get By, detroit just
Get TIBs out of here Bringing.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Malone then they beat The celtics And i'm, like just
Keep TIBs
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