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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Our two and a Monday, calling right wrong in a
couple of minutes. You know, I love whenever NBA fans
are NFL fans go Letter of the law on that
SGA Scott Foster play and my takeaway as always, Oh
your letter of the law guy?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
All right?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Did you drive exact speed limit on the way to work?
Otherwise it's a ticket. Did you come to a full
and complete stop at every stoplight this weekend? That it's
a ticket. People are outraged in America when law enforcement
sets up those red light cameras. Were they mail you tickets?
People are outraged by that. Why it's letter to the law,

(01:05):
your letter of the law guy. That's not the way
life is for all you guys out there, lonely guys,
and there's a lot of you. You may buy your
dinner open her car door. You may be gracious and
well mannered. She could have decided four minutes into the date.
You ain't it. It's all how it lands. It's all flexible.

(01:29):
Everybody's a little morally flexible. So I don't rush to
the internet to get clicks and pretend we live in
a letter of the law society. It could be politics,
it could be sports. You don't drive the speed limit,
you don't make a complete stop, so stop going to
the rule book. So we saw it a the US Open,
where you're hitting the ball basically out of a water tunnel.

(01:51):
There's water everywhere. It's like it's interpretation. Life is gray.
It's not black and white. Black and white gets clear.
Life is grey. Parenting is gray. It's gray. I mean,
I remember when my kids before they were born. You
can't drink wine or have raw seafood while you're pregnant,

(02:16):
explain Japan.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
It seems to me that's the diet right, Like, I'm like,
are you serious? Are you were absolutely sure about that?
It's not basically encouraged, But there are cultures where like
raw fish is the absolute delicacy or like the primary
thing people consume. So this whole thing about this is

(02:41):
the way to parent, and this is the way to officiate,
and this is the way to do business.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
I don't buy any of it.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
I don't buy I don't want perfect abs at sixty
eight years old.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
I'm going to have ice cream, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
And by the way, I'm borderline lactose intolerance, so I'll
get sick. I'm still occasionally gonna have Greek yogurt and
ice cream because I feel like it. So don't give
me letter of the law. Stop with that nouns. That's
the Russell and mj letter of the law. That doesn't count.

(03:15):
Magic Johnson's career was a series of traveling. None of
them called it's you know, this is entertainment. You're gonna
let him go. In the NFL, I've been saying this
on pass interference, there is so much pushing, grabbing, and
shoving up the sidemon. You could call pass interference every call.
The reason the officials don't flow of the game. That's

(03:38):
why the NBA lets the players play in the playoffs.
They have a larger audience. Flow of the game, keep
the game moving. You could call you could call a
foul every possession in the NBA, you could call holding
in football every play flow of the game. Their television products,
NBA Finals, Let MJ let Durant, let Lebron, let s.

(04:00):
Just let them play their pro athletes. They've trained for
this moment. This is not the Olympics. It's not every
four years. We don't have a gun onitors or a
clock on it. That's not what this is. We got
a game in two days, so I'm not bothered by it.
Here we go, Colin right, Colin wrong. On a Monday,
where Colin was right, Caitlin Clark returned and the NBA

(04:22):
was mesmerizing. It is not anti Beyonce to say Taylor
Swift's tour change the economy. It is not ANTIWNBA to
say when Caitlin Clark plays, this is an incredibly easy
product to consume. They lost fifty five percent in which
she didn't play. She came back. You could not turn

(04:43):
the TV off. It's not anti anything, it's pro Caitlin Clark.
Where Colin was wrong, I thought I thought the thunder
were in trouble, and they were for much of the
game against Indiana, But in that fourth quarter they answered
the bell with one of the great three minute defensive
stands I have ever seen. Indiana held the one point

(05:06):
in the final three minutes. It was one of the
most impressive defensive performances for a brief stand that I've
ever seen. Okse won that game. Regardless of what you
think about this non call, where Colin was right, Shador Sanders,
according to Jeremy Fowler ESPN, made an impression. I don't

(05:28):
know how great he's going to be. I do think
he's a franchise quarterback. We can argue about that, but
his go to is his accuracy, and in camp he
was insanely accurate. People can say, well, he was playing
against backups. Well, soar half the quarterbacks in the NFL
during camp they didn't complete seventy seven percent. Every backup

(05:50):
quarterback in the NFL is playing against backups in camp?
Why did everybody else complete sixty percent? He completed seventy
seven percent.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Where Colin was right.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
I did not like the New York Knicks firing TIBs.
Now they're down to Mike Brown and Taylor Jenkins, who
are fine, But I always believe it was a personnel issue.
That's why we kept talking about all year to the
Knicks need Giannis or k d Runson and Kat are
below average defenders. Mihale Bridges is inconsistent offensively. Bottom line

(06:23):
is the New York Knicks. By firing TIBs, I think
it's inarguable will now end up for the worst head coach.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Where Colin was wronged.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Okay, J Mack was right.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Team USA throttled Trinidad Tobago five.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Nothing.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
It wasn't very pretty, but they did it. You know,
I guess the sky is not falling. I didn't think
it was a very pretty performance, but it's not a
bad outcome considering there's a little bit of noise out
around the United States men's national team.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
So I'll take a wrong on that.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Where Colin was right.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
I always thought.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
John Morant was one mildly entertaining, but I never thought
he was a build around enfranchise guy. Spindilee doesn't shoot
well early in his career, some maturity issues, and I
just I think over the last three years he's hurt
more and shooting more poorly. So I can like him
and think he's a two or a three, but boy,

(07:19):
when you're talking about a number one in the NBA,
I got to have you play seventy five games I
got to have you there very night, and a lot
of these smaller guards who don't shoot well therefore have
to score at the.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Rim get banged up. Where Colin was right.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
I've said this for the last couple of years. Joe
Burrow is doing what I wish Andrew luck would have
done in his career in Indy. He's calling the organization out.
They are playing around with excellent pass rusher Trey Hendrickson,
and Joe Burrow has no problem repeatedly saying yes, it's
a problem.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
Is Trey not being here his deal not done?

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Is that a distraction?

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Of course?

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Of course last year we had two. This year we
have one, So we do have less. You'd love to
have none, but you know, that's a life in the NFL.
For all support and Tray and would love for him
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Speaker 1 (08:21):
App so J Mac Show, Heyo TONI. We talked about
this yesterday, yes about Howie.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
What was the thing we talked about yesterday?

Speaker 1 (08:33):
We said, if I said to you, you're not gonna
believe what Blank did in sports. The two people I
would put in there are Caitlin Clark and Show Heyo Toni.
Caitlin Clark had thirty eight seconds this weekend at the WNBA.
It was the greatest, most exhilarating thirty eight seconds in
WNBA history. She was shooting thirty three footers, bang bang bang,

(08:55):
demanding the ball.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
It was.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
It didn't look real, okay, so oh HAWNI pitch last
night against the pod Race. By the way, he is
now pitching and hitting. The podres sent out their ace
because he's pitching. He came up to face the race
no practice wings. He threw over one hundred miles an hour,

(09:16):
and Dave Roberts is to a point now where he
is the Dodgers manager, but he acknowledges it's hard not
to just be a fan of show.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
Hey o Tani, I thought this stuff was really good,
much better as far as the fastball velocity than I
think anyone anticipated hit one hundred. You know, I was
thinking ninety five to ninety seven. But I think that
just a competitor adrenaline came out in him to see
him come into the dugout from the pen. All that stuff.

(09:47):
I was kind of fan boying for like half an inning.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
So even in high school baseball, kids become what they
call pos pitchers only like like we know in baseball
that how taxing just pitching is. I mean, you'll often
hear this in the postseason. I don't know if we
could throw Verlander on short rest. You know what, rech

(10:11):
rest Otani gets four and a half minutes in the
dugout until he's hitting. I mean, it's insane that he
is an ace in twenty twenty five with how specialized
pitching is. This is Dereck Henry of the Ravens being
the leading tackler for Baltimore at linebacker, or Patrick Mahomes

(10:34):
being the top edge rusher in the conference.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
I mean, just insane.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
He is the best player in Bathe the gap between
Otani and the second best baseball player and that second
best player maybe Mookie Betts, and even he gets engulfed
by the gravitas and the talent of Otani. And you
know a lot of times you hear about the Mount
rushmore would there are a handful of athletes I would

(11:00):
call them they make the Mount just more. They're just
more than even the second best person in their sport.
Michael Phelps would be on my mount just Moore ten
more Olympic medals than anybody else, fourteen more gold medals

(11:22):
than anybody else. When I was a kid growing up,
it was like Mark Spitz. I mean, it's an afterthought.
And by the way, if you're saying, well, how come
there are so many faces, that's why it's called mount
just more?

Speaker 3 (11:36):
We even have just more faces.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Number two would be Usain Bolt three straight Olympics, one
hundred and two hundred meter champion, three consecutive Olympics. As
an old man, he was the world's fastest guy in
two events. I would say Wayne Gretzky at one point
eight straight MVPs. Wayne Gretzky would be on the mount
just more. That's like when he's twenty three years old.

(12:00):
And also he still holds fifty five NHL records. Now
think about how fast Hawky is, how international it is,
and how good the athletes are. He still shares or
holds fifty five career NHL records. Serena Williams in the
open era, twenty three more major women's singles title than

(12:21):
anybody else. And by the way, a dominant doubles player singles, doubles, dominant,
Tiger Wood's highest career earnings, lowest career average, and literally
change courses. I think it's fair to say he changed
equipment and change courses. And I think then you have
to go on my mount just Moore, it's got to
be el tawny. In a specialized world of sports, we're

(12:45):
in high school. If a guy is a great pitcher,
that's just what he's going to do.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
First player.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Oh, by the way, he's not only a great hitter,
he's not only an ace.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
He'll still your fifty four bases. I mean, it's just
in what Otani does last night.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
He's pitching, goes to the dugout comes out, Padre is
throwing their ace.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
He don't even warm off. He just goes pitching, boom,
gloves off.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
I'm gonna go hit. There's just nothing like it. I mean,
even even Dave Roberts. I'm gonna fanboy a little bit.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
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Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, I was talking with Nick right earlier on the
show about Otani, I unveiled my Mountesmore is that you
literally are so great at your chosen sport that you
are just more, significantly more than the second best person
in your sport Michael Phelps, Usain Boltwayne Gretzky, Serena Williams,

(13:49):
Tiger Woods, and Shoho Tani. And I don't need Otani.
He pitched last night briefly for the Dodgers. I don't
need him to be an ACE because he already won
an ACE and an American League starting pitcher, an All
Star Game. If Patrick Mahomes one year was a Pro

(14:10):
Bowl cornerback for the Chiefs, he never has to do
it again. Derrick Henry was a one year Pro BOWLTT
linebacker for the Ravens and a running back. I don't
need seven years. If O'tawi can just start be a
semi reliable starter, I've already seen enough to blow me away.
Nick Wright wants more.

Speaker 6 (14:29):
Though, because he hasn't pitched in a couple of years.
Until we see him return to be a regular dominant pitcher,
hasn't his place forget a top mount Just Moore in history.
Right now, this moment, he's not the best player in baseball.

(14:49):
Aaron Judges right, because Judge has been demonstrably a better
hitter this year, Like I mean, he just has been.
I need him to start pitching again. I know he
threw the inning last night, but before he gets elevated
there or I mean you're you're ready, I mean, I
know you already. You coined better than Babe, which was great,
But you know, this year, I don't know that he's

(15:11):
been better than Betts because he's just playing the one position.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Now, I would argue using that rationale, was Burrow better
than Mahomes now because last year Burrough was better than Mahomes.
Malmes did not have a great year.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Last year.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
He was good in one possession games, but he didn't
have a great year. And so I think Mahomes is
considered to this point the greater quarterback talent, and we
all love Burrow. So Otani's better than Aaron Judge. You
can go to the fifth thing in the World Series.
Otani's better than Judge. He's done thing. Otani can do
everything Aaron Judge can do. Aaron Judge can't be an

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ace on the mound in an American League All Star game.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Otani can do everything.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I just don't think it's realistic to ask Otawi to
go to the Dodgers, who have big time money on
their staff and be a reliable ace or number two pitcher.
If Otani could pitch in two of three or four
playoff series, could give you a start, could give you

(16:15):
five and two thirds innings twice in the playoffs from
the mound, leave the game with a lead. That's unbelievable.
Forget the fact that he's just pitching. Let's say he
plays in the divisional round Game three, goes five and
two thirds innings, leaves with a lead, they win. You
do that one more time. I don't need you to

(16:35):
be an a. Some things I don't need you to do.
Remember the guy that used to I mean, there's guys
like tight rope walkers, and they'll walk across a canyon.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
I don't need twice. If you could do that once,
I'm good with it. I don't.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
I don't need everything duplicated. I don't There there are
certain feats in life I don't need you to do
multiple times. If you're an actor and you've done just film,
but you go on Broadway once and you crush it,
you can do Broadway.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
I'm good with that.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
So it's just it's just a fact to me that
we literally talk about all the time in baseball. We'll like,
we'll like seeing the playoffs. Man, I don't know if
this picture can go on short rest.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Short rest.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
He literally batted last night, didn't even get practice swings.
Here's Dave Roberts on last night.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
I thought the stuff was really good, much better as
far as the fastball velocity than I think anyone anticipated
hit one hundred. You know, I was thinking ninety five
to ninety seven. But I think that just a competitor
adrenaline came out in him to see him come into
the dugout from the pen, all that stuff. I was
kind of fan boing for for like half an inning.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
We're all fans. Jamak with the news.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
No No Turns is the herd line news.

Speaker 7 (18:02):
Let's bust right into the soap opera that is Kevin Durant.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
Colin.

Speaker 7 (18:06):
Remember everybody wanted him two weeks ago. Now it's like
not so much Colin. The latest, the very latest, indicates
the Suns may just hold on to Kevin Durant because
they aren't finding a deal to their liking. Now, this
is absolutely comical. They're trying to play some kind of
poker game here where they're trying to bluff their way

(18:27):
to a trade. They're not keeping Kevin Durant. That's not happening.
He wants out badly.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
He has checked out.

Speaker 7 (18:33):
We know he was kicked off. They tried to trade
him at the deadline. This is an epic disaster. I
will remind you last week we talked about the Sun's owner.
It's a I need to be in more control. Bro,
you're not a basketball guy. He's hiring his Michigan State people, Colin.
This is shaping up as a spectacular disaster.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
They're not keeping Kevin Durant.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
I'm sorry, yeah, I mean there's a report that they
don't want Karl Anthony Towns.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
I get that he's a quirky player. I'm just not
that it's a revelation. But I didn't think there would
be a massive market. But only one other player in
the NBA averaged twenty five points a game and shot
over forty percent from three jokis, so I can't believe.
I know he's gonna want a new deal. I'd give

(19:18):
him a two year deal. I'm not giving him a
five year max. I'd give him a two year deal.
Kevin Durant's gonna average twenty five for the next two years.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
I'd give it up.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
Maybe at thirty eight and thirty nine. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (19:27):
So Michah Parsons, we talk about this all the time, right, So,
Micah Parsons, if.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
You want to trade him with you, and I would.

Speaker 7 (19:32):
You got to give up assets to get him and
then make him the highest paid non quarterback in the league, right.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Similar to Kevin Durant.

Speaker 7 (19:38):
Not the highest in the league, but you got to
give up assets to get him and then sign him
to a two year I mean, at fifty mil, he
makes more than anyone on the Thunder or the Pacers.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Can you win with Kevin Durant as your number one player?

Speaker 2 (19:52):
No?

Speaker 4 (19:52):
No, Can you win with them as your number two?
The Sons could not.

Speaker 7 (19:56):
So I'm just I'm not seeing it, Colin. Next up,
how about this the Memphis Grizzlies and Joah Morant. So
they just traded Desmond van Away and all of a
sudden we're hearing could Ja Morant be going to the
Miami Heat?

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Is Memphis just tearing it all down?

Speaker 7 (20:13):
The logic here is you go from West to East.
Joh ain't winning in the West, but he could win
in the East. Yeah, I think he is the big guy.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
I think he actually needs a new environment, new GM,
new coach, new new environment. I think sometimes people need
a fresh start. And I've said I think Joe's really talented,
aesthetically fun highlight reel. I don't think you can build
around him. I'm not sure he can be your two.
He's not a one. He's not a foundational one. Maturity availability.

(20:43):
Can he be a two? I'm not sure. I honestly
think I think he's closer.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
To a three. Oh, I think he may No, I
know I do. I mean, look around right now.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Is he as dependable as SGA and Jalen Williams?

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Absolutely not. He would be a three on that team.
Door is more dependable.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Now you go, Now, let's go to Indy Haliburton, Siakam.
He's not as dependable as that. So these two teams,
he is at best of three. On these two teams,
he's at best of three.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
There's a what sport thing.

Speaker 7 (21:14):
He was on the injury list I believe eight times,
with eight different injuries this season, and he has a history.
But I do wonder Colin Jah Morant's off court activities
in Miami and South Beach.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
I don't know that that's a great recipe.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
I think that's fair.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Final story he needs to go to Sacramento and be
bored out of his own.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
Final story is cam Ward Colin.

Speaker 7 (21:36):
He's gotten high praise for his NFL offseason work since
he went number one to Tennessee. Here is Ward addressing
his mentality out of his rookie year.

Speaker 8 (21:46):
Then the day, I'm a ghostlinger.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
I live, but I always die by it.

Speaker 8 (21:50):
So Coach collahay know what type of guy he has
in the quarterback room? Cha I saw you will never
mean nothing to me. It won't get to me some
type of Well, I'm just somebody who likes doing it.
That's the point of playing something that you love. You
can't have phone with it, so you know that's where
it comes from. But I mean, I love the game
is so any chance I'll get, you know, to listen,
But I know that they can't with me. It really

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doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Can't wait to watch him play. They're gonna make the playoffs.
I really believe that. Jmck of the.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
News, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
The Herd Line News.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Let's bring him on. Been talking about this all day.
Jim Harball, coach of the LA Chargers, is joining us
live and often. As you see Jimmy's got a smile
on his face. I know why he's got a smile
because Joe Alton, year two, Hampton, Nasee, Mike William, Trey Harris.
I was saying this earlier, Jim. I followed your career.
I always feel Jim Harbaugh teams in year one you

(22:45):
change the culture. But it's not until year two, when
you have a second recruiting class or a second draft
that I feel like it's a Jim Harbad team. I
look at this team and I think, oh, that's a
Jim Harbaugh team. Two tackles, two stud running backs. I
felt last year. I'm like, it's not Jim's team quite,

(23:07):
but the culture is good. Did you feel you feel
like this is more complete this year.

Speaker 9 (23:13):
I loved our team last year, and as you know,
I want to I wanted to get everybody back running
back version two point zero.

Speaker 10 (23:22):
That that wasn't the case.

Speaker 9 (23:25):
We couldn't do that this this era of free agency
and everything else, et cetera. But we made some great additions,
Joe Hartiz our personnel staff has done an incredible job,
I mean going out and finding some of the guys
that that they brought in, plus what we did with
the draft.

Speaker 10 (23:43):
That, Yeah, I do. I feel like we're.

Speaker 9 (23:46):
I know, we're in a better place, you know, June
seventeenth than we were last year at June seventeenth. Part
of that is probably you're doing everything for a second time.
Everything you've done before year you're doing again. But you know,
the the entire mentality of the of the team, and
it's it's from the leaders like like Justin and Derwin

(24:08):
and k.

Speaker 10 (24:09):
Mack and Dan Henley, all the all the guys.

Speaker 9 (24:12):
I mean, they they train and prepare like they've accomplished nothing,
uh so that when the season comes they can they
can be that guy.

Speaker 10 (24:20):
So I am. I am taking that same lead.

Speaker 9 (24:24):
And you just don't talk about it really, you know,
unless unless we're on an interview and somebody you know,
puts a microphone in your face.

Speaker 10 (24:31):
Uh you know, then then you really you have to
talk about it.

Speaker 9 (24:34):
But uh, you know, the guys are the guys are
doing and prefer to do. Uh you know, they're talking
in the in the training environment, and on the practice field,
and I I am, I am drinking the kool aid, buying,
buying completely into that.

Speaker 10 (24:47):
And that's that's the way we've been rolling.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
You know, if I think of Jim Harbard teams, your
teams always have leaders. And I think to myself, do
you recruit leaders? Can you tell when you're recruiting a
kid if he's a leader in high school? Do you
you draft leaders? I mean, Joe Alt goes to Notre Dame,
he's a smart, tough kid.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Your teams.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
When I think of Harball, I think tough and good leaders.
How do you end up with them? Do you create them?
Or do you draft or recruit them? Why do your
teams end up with those?

Speaker 9 (25:19):
The uh, yeah you recruit him? Yeah, yeah, you draft him.
You can tell, you can tell the minute they walk.

Speaker 10 (25:28):
Out of the field.

Speaker 9 (25:29):
You know, the the minute Derwin James walked out of
the field our first off season, O t A h.

Speaker 10 (25:38):
When I when I when I walked over to.

Speaker 9 (25:40):
Shake justin Herbert's hand, it's you know right away, you
know it's there's a presence there. Same with Khalil mack. Uh,
there's the presence when he talks. Everybody's everybody's listening. When
he's playing, everybody is is watching. It's and it's never

(26:00):
what somebody says. It's never what they say. It's it's
what they do. And that that gets reinforced with how
they train, how they how they go about their business,
how they how they played the game of football. So, uh,
we like we have a saying that we really love,
which is what you say. I can't even hear what

(26:21):
you say because what you do speak so loudly that
I can't even hear what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
You know, it's obviously and I said this when you
went college to pro I said, man, Harbaugh's going to
be a great drafter for the first two to three
years because he's recruited half these guys. Did you find
in this draft, for instance, had you recruited any of
your draft picks or at least seen their tape in
high school? Did did the Michigan stuff help you a

(26:46):
little bit in the first two drafts? Like Joe Alt
you probably recruited at Michigan. Has Have you found that
it's helped you a little bit in the draft process.

Speaker 9 (26:54):
It really helped a lot, Colin, and not just for
it was my knowledge of guys.

Speaker 10 (27:00):
It was.

Speaker 9 (27:00):
Uh, it was Mike Elston's knowledge of Joe Alt, who
told all all the stories of the you know, the
the when he came in as a freshman. Uh, how
athletic he was. Uh you know that jesse mentor you know,
I could Steve Klinkscale, who I believe is uh one

(27:21):
of the best, if not the best, secondary coaches, and
in all of football. The guys they recruited, the guys
they coached, the guys that uh that you know, they
they watched weekly because they were preparing for him.

Speaker 10 (27:35):
Uh uh in a in an upcoming game. So it
was It's not just me, it was it was.

Speaker 9 (27:40):
That cumulative effect of all of us who had just
really been in that environment.

Speaker 10 (27:46):
Uh, you know, just a couple of months earlier.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
I remember years ago talking to a guy named Bill
Poley in the legendary Hall of Fame front office guy,
and he said, when he drafted Peyton Manny, he said
Peyton cared so much. He called him a teeth clencher.
He said, sometimes we have to say, hey, Peyton, it's
ice cream after practice, lighting up, It's okay. And when
I watch Justin Herbert, he cares so deeply that there

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are times I think he gets so frustrated with himself.
He's too hard on himself.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
That's my view of it.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Am I right? And if I am, how do you
make sure Justin still? You gotta have fun, Jim, You
gotta have fun when your coach, have to have fun
when you play.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Do you ever worry that Justin is too hard on Justin?

Speaker 2 (28:29):
No, don't change a thing.

Speaker 9 (28:31):
Do not change a thing about Justin Herbert. Yeah, he
does everything, everything great. How much he cares, Yeah, he cares,
He cares deeply. How much he trains, He trains the
perfect amount. You know, everything that he does is is

(28:55):
don't change the thing. Our challenge is the rest of us, us,
you know, especially the ones on the offensive side of
the ball that Justin's counting on. Uh, you know, the playmakers,
the offensive line, the backs, the tight ends, the coaches.
You know, it is our challenge to get to his
level because, uh, you know, the only in my opinion,

(29:17):
you know, his biggest weaknesses is us. You know, we've
got to we have to be the ones that rise
up to his level.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
So you're in a division now with Pete and Chip,
with Sean Payton's a pretty good coach, Andy Reid and Spags.
It's the best coach division in football. You get no breathers.
Every week is like a coaching challenge. You're you are
feisty and you're tough and you love challenges. It is
a you don't have a lot of breathers on that schedule.

(29:47):
But would you rather face that schedule in those staffs
and say, you know the roadblock, You'd rather have the
book on Pete, although you have a pretty good book.
There is there an advantage to being in a division
that is the best coach division in football.

Speaker 9 (30:05):
Well, first of all, I mean there's I've never seen
the coaching, uh you know, at a level that it
is across the entire.

Speaker 10 (30:11):
National Football League.

Speaker 9 (30:12):
I mean it's it's great coach after great coach because
the way they prepare their teams. Uh, everybody is great. Yeah,
we're gonna we're gonna play games. No matter who we're playing.
It's gonna get decided in in the the last two
minutes of the game. They're gonna come down to one
score games. This is the National Football League. Everybody's really
well coached, everybody's really well trained. Uh, everybody has has

(30:36):
great players. Uh, you know it's it's at an unprecedented
level where where the league is right now. I mean
everybody's good. Yeah, it's it's competitive, dog eat dog, Uh
for sure.

Speaker 10 (30:49):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (30:49):
You know, tremendous in the AFC West, tremendous. Uh in
every single division is as you look across pro football.

Speaker 10 (30:57):
So it is it is something you got to get
prepared for. I mean we know it.

Speaker 9 (31:02):
Uh, we're gonna play the Kansas City Chiefs Game one
in sath Palo.

Speaker 10 (31:06):
Uh, let's make sure we get ready for it.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
I've said for years, I always like Nausee Harris. He
played in front of offensive lines that were kind of
couldn't quite get it right. And I think you do
occasionally find these players in the NFL that maybe the
fit's not perfect, and then they go to a second
place and you're like, oh, he's better than I thought.
I think Nausee Harris is one of those guys. What

(31:31):
did you see about him when you looked on film
in Pittsburgh? What did you say, Okay, that that's gonna
work here with the Chargers.

Speaker 9 (31:42):
It's everything that he does is at a high level
and great, and he's he's there every week.

Speaker 10 (31:47):
He's there every game, and it's so cool.

Speaker 9 (31:51):
I mean you mentioned a little bit about being in
college before now and guys you recruited, and guys that
that that I coached. I mean, nobody I recruited hard
than Najee Harris, you know up in Antio, California. Uh,
you know, as many trips as I could make I
made there. Uh yeah, and uh and Makay back then.
I mean, I'm just I'm reminiscing going back to to

(32:14):
watching uh Makai play basketball and in high school and
being in a game where uh I see him, see
him slam dunk of basketball and then uh then he
gets then he got elbowed. He got elbowed, he might
have broken his nose, and uh he went over to towl.
There's play coming out. He throwing a towel from the bench,
and you know, he wipes it off. I think he

(32:35):
was out for like, uh, you know, like a whistle
or two and then right back in the game. And
I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's that's my kind of guy
right there.

Speaker 10 (32:46):
And then to come to Michigan.

Speaker 9 (32:47):
He went with the Louisville and at a had a
tremendous career, but uh, just so many so many great guys,
so many great uh great stories that way. Uh, and
I get you know, you get a chance to to
uh to be a part of it and coach these guys.
I mean you can imagine the excitement, you know, and
still still kind of pull it down, uh that we

(33:09):
have Justin Herbert and and Derwin James. I mean I
just I just loved him watching him play football. Uh,
you know, just an appreciation for how he played the game.
And now to be able to get to coach him. Uh,
I mean Derwin James, he likes people that like football.
If you like football, you're gonna like Derwin James. And
he's gonna he's gonna like you back. And yeah, you

(33:32):
just pull it down that you get to get to
coach these guys. You know, it's a it's a best
darn driver ahead.

Speaker 10 (33:39):
Colin.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
I'll just say, you look good.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
You look I look a little beenter than last year
you've had. You had a couple of hell things. Give
me an update. How do you feel, How are you doing?
How's your cause? You look good. You look younger than
the last time I had you. That's Southern California sushi.
That's the Jackie Harvall said the said the same thing.
Uh yeah, I get that got a hip replaced. Uh

(34:04):
it's it's working great, all patched up. The iron horse
had to go in for a few uh fine tunings,
and I had an ablaze had an Ablazian done. That
was uh it was. It was really really successful.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
It was Uh.

Speaker 10 (34:18):
I was really super happy. My uh my doctor, doctor Chipata.
Uh he came in and tell me how it went,
and he goes, it went good, it went really good.
And uh, I go what every doctor says, it went good.

Speaker 9 (34:31):
I mean I never talked to a doctor after a
surgery that that that uh said it didn't go well.
I go, tell me about it? And he uh, I
mean he started describing what he did and and it
was like it was like a football player describing you know,
the miraculous uh you know way that he scored a touchdown.

Speaker 10 (34:51):
You know he really I could tell, Okay, now we're getting.

Speaker 9 (34:54):
Somewhere, and uh he really he really feels uh really
feels good about it, you know, and uh they kind
of was described well, you know, why why did I
asked him, why why didn't they why didn't they fix
that issue?

Speaker 10 (35:06):
You know?

Speaker 9 (35:06):
The the last time I had this sublaz Well you
know it wasn't you know, they're really good.

Speaker 10 (35:11):
The you know, the technology is a lot better. I go, now, doctor,
it was you.

Speaker 9 (35:17):
It was you and uh so yeah, I feel you
know it just it just fires you up when uh,
when you get that kind of you right here and
uh right here in La.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
By the way, you saw Tawny pitch last night. I
think he's it's just unbelievable. It's just unbelievable. He's good looking,
he's great. Like you talk about the whole package. He's magnetic.
When when you go to a Dodger game, it doesn't
even feel I mean, you know what great is when
great is when among great players they look up to you.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
I always used to say this about Mike Tyson.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Other heavyweight fighters were intimidated by Mike Tyson. That's what
great is. You watched O'tawni last night. What do you see?

Speaker 10 (35:59):
I was just blown away by the whole thing, Uh
just everything.

Speaker 9 (36:03):
Uh, his his walk up song, I mean, uh you know,
the uh.

Speaker 10 (36:09):
The way he puts his bat you know, at the
end of the top of the plate there and he
measures it and he puts his foot in the same spot.

Speaker 9 (36:15):
And uh, you know, I really watched him as there
was my son Jack, who's a who's a twelve year
old baseball player, and son Johnny who's eight, and Katie,
and I'm going just study him. Just watch watch, uh
watch him. He's in a rhythm. Everything he does is
to create the rhythm. He does it the same way
every time. Look at that the pitching motion, whether it's

(36:38):
from the stretch or from the you know, from the
from the wind up. His his routine. Rhythm, rhythm, you know, rhythm,
get the rhythm, get the freak, you know, get the
get the freaking rhythm. Rhythm, get the rhythm, get the
freaking rhythm. You know it. You just watch it with
him and uh yeah, the the uh hit him nukes

(37:00):
a couple of nukes is.

Speaker 10 (37:02):
Uh as Johnny with my son eight year old, would say, uh,
this incredible. The walk up song is so good.

Speaker 9 (37:09):
Uh, just everything about it. But that's sports, you know, Colin.
You gotta you've got to be able to uh to
get the rhythm. You get out of rhythm, you start
trying to make adjustments and and then you're out there,
you're out there floundering. So uh, youngsters in sports, Uh,
you know, getting the rhythm, have that rhythm trained and practiced,

(37:30):
and then go do your job.

Speaker 10 (37:32):
Uh, get the rhythm and and uh and let the
chips fall where they may.

Speaker 9 (37:37):
But don't try to start start h questioning yourself or
making uh making adjustments.

Speaker 10 (37:44):
I mean that's that's uh, that's probably my biggest.

Speaker 9 (37:47):
Takeaway of watching, uh, watching last night's game.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Yeah, all right, And.

Speaker 10 (37:54):
Another l I guy, J J Spahn. How cool was that?

Speaker 1 (37:58):
You know, it's amazing is that JJ Sponge here? Did
you hear the story that he literally his daughter was sick?
Is that JJ Spahn calling you? He's his daughter that morning?

Speaker 10 (38:11):
Call her back?

Speaker 1 (38:13):
So his his daughter was throwing up Sunday morning, he
was up at three in the morning, went to a CVS.
He was working on four hours sleep.

Speaker 10 (38:23):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
And then he goes in rain delay and this kid
ends up hitting one of the great pots in the
history of the US Open. He was up at three
in the morning driving to a CBS because his daughter.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Well, that's what being a great dad is.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
And he said, actually, he said, it took my mind
off golf.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah, I didn't think about golf.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
I was worried about my daughter all day and I
was like sixty four foot Pott.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
That that's a winner right there.

Speaker 10 (38:50):
Yeah, how about the one where he hits the pen.

Speaker 9 (38:53):
You know, it hits the great shot in there and
kind of sucks up that it hits the pen.

Speaker 10 (38:58):
And then it goes oh, brutal all the way back down.
I mean this, I mean one of the most brutal
breaks you could get.

Speaker 9 (39:05):
Uh and uh, you know, just he was just a
he was just an iron wall to that negativity that
you know, just just just shattered that adversity, that negativety,
you know, negativity just crumble and uh watch him go
about his business.

Speaker 10 (39:22):
I mean, uh, it was Uh, it was tremendous.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Okay, listen, Andy Reid right now is working on plays.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
You got to get back. I want some razzle dazzle
in that opener, Jim. I want something. I want something
with Mike Williams. I want Somethinglad McConkey double pass. I
want you to go because I that game, I have
you winning the division and he's a wild card team,
so I know he's working right now.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
You got we got to get back to work.

Speaker 10 (39:47):
Okay, Yes, sir, appreciate you having me on. Jim.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
It's great seeing you're smiling more than you ever had.
The great Jim Horriball. Thanks coach.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
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Speaker 3 (40:07):
Oh, it is a Thursday. We have so much to
talk about. We are live. It is the Herd.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening,
thanks for making us part of your day. We got
aj Frazinski talking about the Padres Dodgers rivalry, which is intense.
Albert Breer, Christine Brennan has got a new book out.
They started it last night, really interesting on Caitlin Clark.
Christine Brennan's been very very critical of the WNBA, and

(40:37):
I think deservedly so.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
So we got a lot on the DANTA today JMACT.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
But yesterday after the show, there was a and we
don't normally talk a ton about this, but there was
a sale. It wasn't long ago the Celtics sold for
six billion. La' is a much bigger market. They sold
for ten billion dollars yesterday and nobody Laker fans aren't
quite sure how to react. And I'm here to tell
you it is a great day to be a Laker fan.

(41:04):
So the group that bought the Lakers already owned a
part of them. Mark Walter Group really shrewd LA resident.
All you have to do to wonder what's going to
happen to the Lakers is look at the Dodgers scouting
research and development facilities. Patients A plus plus plus plus

(41:25):
sharp do don't know him, No people that do. They
spend more money than any one, but they are very judicious.
They rarely miss. The Lakers have been a mom and
pop shop for years. It's Genie Bus and friends of
the family. That's cute, But this is twenty twenty five

(41:45):
and it's pro sports. The organization needs more juice, more financing,
more eyes, new eyes, and this is what they have.
They're going officially from dial up to fiber optic. Yesterday
was a great day to be a Laker fan. Now
the reports are well, Genie Buss will still be the governor.
She will still be in the front office. Yeah, and

(42:08):
that's what Mark Cuban told us when he sold the
MAVs and then he didn't know about the Luca trade.
That's sort of a big deal. She's not going to
have any power now. I think she's done great in operations.
She's beloving Los Angeles, a really cool person. Having her
around the organization is awesome. But it's a whole different

(42:29):
Ballget When you spend ten billion dollars to buy something,
you're going to have the final say. And that's what
the Lakers need. This Dodger group, I'm telling you, man,
they update and upgrade constantly. They don't get money away.
They could have had Manny Machado. Nope, Corey Bellinger MVP,

(42:49):
Corey Seeger. They'll move off people. Since Mark Walter and
his group have arrived, here's the reality. The Dodgers are
first or tied for first and wins pennantce tie World
series titles.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
And I hear this stuff. I hear all the fearmongers.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Colin just another oligarc another billionaire that doesn't care about
the team. You want to know the worst owners in
my life, Ted Steppian, look it up, Donald Sterling, Marg Shott.
None of them were venture capitalists. None of them, like
Mark Walter, were global asset managers, small thinkers, bad people.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Not this group.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
When you watch the Dodgers, man, they don't miss it's
impress it by the way a lot of teams spend money.
Yankees spend a lot of money. They're top heavy. Dodgers
never are so, even the way they finance stuff deferred payments,
They're always a step ahead. They go and get the
very best people. When they took the Dodgers over, Andrew
Friedman was the hot shot GM in Tampa.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
They went and got him.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
They were working on that Otawni deal three years when
he was an angel. Three years out they started working
on that deal. I would not be surprised if they
doubled the r indeed doubled the scouting department. The Lakers
have too many friends and family. I'm looking for a meritocracy,
not a barbecue. This is a great day. Don't be

(44:21):
afraid of something that's been in the building for years now.
They own all of it. Okay, I think the Lakers.
The Bus family owns fifteen percent for a couple of years.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
The media does something from time to time and it
kind of rubs me the wrong way. They pander, and
I get it. Athletes are young. I've said this before
about the NBA. I'm not going to beat up on
young NBA players making mistakes. They come into the League
at eighteen nineteen, twenty years old. Okay, but the NFL

(44:57):
is different. I'm into the NFL at twenty two, twenty three.
Now some guys are staying in college for and I'm
Almney maybe twenty five. And at the quarterback position, I
am harsh and punitives. The media again tends to pand
or too often. I warn Cleveland about Johnny Manziel. Colin,

(45:19):
you're overreacting. Uncle Colin was right. I warned you that
Baker was good but too immature. I was right on
that too, and Stefanski eventually showed him the door. Baker
now has grown up. I like this Baker, but I
was right, and I was right about the Shaun Watson
creepy cringey.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
That's not a leader at that position.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
So yesterday Shador Sanders got caught speeding over one hundred
miles an hour.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
He's a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Mike Tomlin often says two is a trend. Can't screw
up three or four times. Two is a trend? Just
two times. I'm not sure if I need two times.
When you're a young quarterback, one bad judgment turns me off.
But I have now in the last couple of months,

(46:08):
two things that really turned me off. Wishi or Sanders,
who I have championed that cringey awful legendary draft room.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Bro, you're a b prospect.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
You know your dad's prime time who led with his
ego for years. You gotta have a little self awareness.
I had more than one GM say total turnoff. Come on,
it's not the end of the world. It's a bad look.
And now this one hundred miles an hour. Yep, all

(46:39):
you fanboys, go ahead. Manzell Baker. Deshaun Watson defended it
to the hilt on your Reddit account. Sorry, don't minimize it,
don't pander. This is not good for a quarterback, not
good as of today.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
And I've said this for years.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
I do not cling to opinions, new information, new opinion.
I'm an airline pilot. We got a storm coming, here's
the latest radar. I'm changing my route, not flying headfirst
into it. I don't think about him the same. There
was a moment I thought Will Levis, about four months

(47:22):
out from the draft, had a chance. And I turned
on Will Levis when he started showing up like a
body builder gun show. And I had two NFL coaches,
both needing quarterbacks who text me, got my number and
text me. They're like, this is the exact conversation we
are having in our building right now. Two NFL coaches,

(47:45):
head coaches. They're like, bro, we're laughing watching this.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
It matters.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
New information legendary one hundred miles an hour judgment is
fifty percent of being a quarterback when you fall to
one forty four in the draft and then try to
match that number behind the wheel of a car. Yeah,
I don't think the same. You ignored signs with Manzelle

(48:12):
and Baker, and apparently based on the traffic violation, Shador
was avoiding some signs too, the ones that say stop.
I feel differently today. I'm not as high on him.
I'm not sure he's mature enough. Now I'm gonna have
to like Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
J Mac.

Speaker 7 (48:34):
Oh boy, I'm laughing at Kenny Pickett, not obviously the
Shador situation, but calling it.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
That's an interesting one to eighty from.

Speaker 7 (48:43):
You, my guy going from Hey put him in the
Hall of Thing because of seven on seven drills in June,
and now.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
It's like, well, he was going forty one over the limit.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Let's say you know me, you and I are similar.
This way new information, new opinion. I would agree, and
I said I did not like the legendary draft room.
It was cringey. It's not the end of the world,
but people reached out. You add these two together, all
you have to do Cleveland Manzell Baker, I kept saying,
Baker did to It wasn't the end of the world.

(49:15):
But it's something. It's a lack of self awareness. You know.
It's like your shirt off posing with a tiger. It's like, bro,
how about you play game like one before you go
super model on us? But in the end, Stefan Skiing
and Andrew Berry, two smart guys, were like, yeah, we
just he's putting He's starting too many fires not putting
them out.

Speaker 7 (49:32):
It's something Yeah, interesting, So Dylan Gabriel qb one No
in all seriousness though, regarding hide or like a speeding tickets,
not the end of the world, not the ends after midnight.
Sounds like it was a nice new vehicle. He's got
probably a V eight, a lot of power. I guess
my question Colin is like, have you ever worked with
someone who you knew was on thin ice and you're like, man,

(49:53):
they're looking for a reason to get rid of that guy.
He better not screw up, and he makes one misstep
and he's going, hey, have.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
You ever worked with somebody in that Listen, when you
fall to the fifth round and are perceived as a
first round quarterback, you are on thin ice. And when
there's a perception that the owner wanted you drafted not
the GM, you were on perilously thin ice. They're not
letting him practice with the ones Dylan Gabriel is. You're
on even thinner ice. You can't get in trouble. You

(50:23):
can't get in trouble. This is not good. Do not minimize.
I can assure you this. Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski
didn't go this is super duper well.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
They rolled their eyes.

Speaker 7 (50:35):
They probably were, you know, kind of we're looking at
the owner like see, I told you.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
But again, this is just a speeding ticket.

Speaker 7 (50:40):
I'm gonna remind you, Dak Prescott had an incident before
the draft.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Do you remember not great I had an incident and
people were like, oh, how can you do that? Before
the draft, They're like, where's the awareness?

Speaker 1 (50:51):
But but Dak Prescott, if you went back to and
I said this the Dak Prescott stuff, I talked about
on this show and and and you know, he did
drop to the fourth round for being a very good
college quarterback. But Dak Prescott from that moment on has
been one of the best leaders yet period at any

(51:12):
position in the NFL. I'm saying it's not the end
of the world, but when used to and there by
the way, there were four or five incidents. I saw
one piece of video against Nebraska where Chadueurs did some
stuff on the field I didn't love, like, like, there's
there by the way, there are people on the internet
that will find you four or five and six pieces

(51:32):
of video in college where he was a little into
Shedeur Sanders not the greatest teammate, right again, I stayed
away from that, but when I watched, when I watched
the legendary draft room, I'm like, oh, dude, a little again,
if he's a cornerback. You know my rule on this,
I look at point guards and quarterbacks differently. I'm now,

(51:53):
I look at it now, and I'm just this maybe
the last Sha Sanders segment.

Speaker 10 (51:57):
I do.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
No, yeah, I think it is.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Over a speeding ticket.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Colin, Again, you're not listening. It's not a speeding ticket.
It's multiple incidents in college. It's the draft room. Just
like you know, broadcasters, if your showed up and get ratings,
you're on thin eyes.

Speaker 7 (52:16):
You overlooked all of that during the OTAs when he
was crushing.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
No, No, I didn't. I talked about it every day
that it was amazing. I've never overlooked a thing. I've
always gone over the top positive. J Mac. Let me
give you some guidance. It an old guy, Okay, very
few people in important positions. You're judged every day. I'm

(52:41):
judged by management at my company, and they like me
every day. Doesn't take many screw ups. Narratives change, and
that's after success. I mean, look at think how great
Brady was. Belichick was drafting quarterbacks every other year. Just
in case Garoppolo second round. They couldn't have used another receiver.

(53:02):
If you don't think management's talking about I had a
great agent years ago. I had an agent. I brought
him up yesterday named Nick con Nick. Con the greatest
advice I ever got. He said, companies make a decision
a year before they tell you. I now own a company.
I make decisions six months before I tell anybody. You
think upstairs in the building. They're just like, it's just

(53:25):
you know, his foot got stuck on the gain. It's
not the way it works.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
I agree.

Speaker 7 (53:30):
If this is so weird you were you were a
big Shador guy.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
I was kind of anti they like Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 7 (53:37):
Now this and I find myself I kind of want
to defend Shador a little bit.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
But it's it's not indefensible.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
By the way you. Let's say that.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Let's let's not take you or I. Somebody's watching or
listening to my show, Love your Wife, Great Kids, support
of got your back. You walk in, she's with a mailman.
What does it not change everything? I mean, it's not
the end of the world. She's not an axe murderer.

(54:06):
Infidelity in an instant changes everything, and it's not the
end of the world. It happens all the time in relationships.
It's something not appropriate. If go ahead, how does he
overcome this? Again, it's not a great look. I don't
think it's the end of the world.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
You know, I didn't say it was for me. I
didn't say that for me.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
It's different. Now it's different. Sorry, I'm out, Good luck
fifth round guy. You know what, I'm gonna go to
a reddit Board under CC and start posting some Dylan
Gabriel's demand.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Get on board the hype trade. Baby Dylan Gabriel, Here
he comes.