July 12, 2025 • 47 mins
Jason McIntyre fills in for Colin while sharing his "JMac 6 Pack" listing the top contenders in the NBA after free agency.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio The Herd.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It's me Jason McIntyre in for Colin Cowherd. He's enjoying
an extended July fourth holiday. Boy, heck, guys living the
dream baby. So it's me and Alex Curry in the
Salt Mines. Alex, how we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hold it up? By the way, how was your July fourth?
Any firework activity or not? One? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I mean I did the standard like I think I
talked about it when we were on the show last week.
The Strand is just like immaculate vibes in hermos in Manhattan,
and I have a couple of friends with strandhouses, so
just yeah, just just know, Matt Staff just did the
walk down the Strand like seeing seeing everybody else rage
and have a good time and just waving from afar
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because I've officially been pregnant for every holiday since Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Wow, that's been great. All right, Well that's exciting. You know,
you got you got a big summer ahead, big summer.
We're in the red zone. We're feeling good, we're feeling happy.
Just hopefully she cooks for another week too.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
All right.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
We got Albert Breer coming up in five minutes. He's
jet setting against well, all these guys taking summer vacations.
We're just work. We grind, all right, let me let
me quickly go. So a lot of NBA free agency
has been decided.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Not everything.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Bradley Biel could still move. You've got big got Jonathan Kuminga.
I don't know if he's adjusting the odds of anybody,
but we decided to come up with a Jmax six
pack as of now, the six pack of NBA teams
that can win the championship next year.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Now, as I was reminded.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
This morning, if we had done this last year at
this time, it would have been Boston Celtics one through six.
Everybody thought they were gonna repeat. They had a loaded team.
They just won the chip. I mean they were absolutely
stacked and didn't get out of the second round.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
So keep that in mind.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
No, defending champ has gotten out of the second round
since the Kadi Curry Warriors. Let's have the six pack.
Let's get started with. I think we're starting with the
Cleveland Cavaliers in the East, mostly because they retain almost.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Everyone on their team.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
They did lose tied Jerome rotational guy had a good season.
But when you keep the core Garland coming off to
tow injury in the in the playoffs, MOBLEI Allen Mitchell
is a good team. DeAndre Hunters now had we'll have
a full season.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I know Cleveland, it's tough to think of them winning
a chip without Lebron, but guys, the pieces are there
for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I think the Cleveland Cavaliers are one or two.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
In the East.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Let's go to the next team and that is the
New York Knickerbockers. Yep, do they still call them Knickerbockers
either way. So last year, the Knicks added two new
starters in Towns and Bridges. Obviously very difficult to dominate
right out of the gate with two new starters. Well,
now this year the Knicks I will have a new
head coach, but it looks like they're going to retain
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everyone else from the starting lineup, added two guys to
the bench.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I you know, listen, Mike Brown, I like.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Him if he plays his cards right and uses more
bench and keeps his guys fresh for the postseason. I
don't see why this isn't a fifty five to six
win team, sixty win team, and I think they're top
two in the East, maybe number one, and the garden
home court advantage will be sick in the postseason. All right,
let's go to the West because nobody else is good
in the East, and we're gonna go Lakers.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I know, I know, Jay Mack, you're crazy. Were doing well.
Let's see if they add Bradley Beild there for sure in.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
The six pack, and I'm gonna put them here out
of respect to I don't know, two of the five
best players in the league in Luca and Lebron.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Oh, Jay, what happened against Minnesota? Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
They had like twenty games together to work out the Kings.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
They had no center.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Can we just take a deep breath and say, like
they lost to the Timberwolves and nobody really saw it coming,
They're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
The Lakers are certainly one of the six best.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Teams in the league. Next up, Denver Nuggets. I like
the offseason they've had. They're putting all their chips in
for now. Cam Johnson for Michael Porter Jr. Feels like
a slight upgrade, not a huge one because MPJ.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Is a much better scorer.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
But I think Cam Johnson will be good. I like
Bruce Brown coming.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Back getting off Russell Westbrook. I think they added.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Tim Hardaway to Yeah, Tim Hardaway, They've done.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
A good job.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
And remember Aaron Gordon was hurt in Game seven with
the ankle or maybe they beat OKC. Next up the
Houston Rockets. I think they've won the offseason more than anybody.
I mean, they added Kevin Durant, look at this, they
added Climp Capella, and they added Dorian Finney Smith. Essentially,
the Rockets got better than anybody and they lost like nothing,
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Dylan Brooks and Jalen Green and a first round pick.
I think you could look for guys like Reed Shepherd
to step up big time. I would not be surprised
at all if shen Goon is an All Star once again,
Jabari Smith less pressure Aman Thompson rising star.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Houston's good.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I think the team to beat in the West Houston
Rockets in the Jmax six pack.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
And I know you're waiting.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
On one last team, Okac Thunder.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I had for a moment Orlando in this spot over OKC. Yeah,
that's real. I could see Alex looking at me like Jmack,
what's wrong with you. I'm just gonna remind you guys.
SGA got paid, Chad Holbern got paid. There it's a
different mentality and mindset among the players, and history bears
this out. If you haven't won the chip, haven't gotten paid.
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Its front, front of office. That's a top priority. That's everything.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Well, now they got the title.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
SGA's got all the accolades, he's got all the money
that hunger desires.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Not quite there. Yes they're young.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yes, they're probably gonna win fifty to sixty games, maybe
sixty two. I don't know that they're gonna win the Championshi.
But again, you guys can better go for it. I'm
not doing that. So there's the Jmax six pack heading
into next season. Oh my gosh, who you doing these graphics?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
For everyone listening?
Speaker 4 (06:11):
You guys, there is a photo of j Mac on
the screen that is.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So on brand I'm in a tank top. Yes, that's
a good job. I think that's Timy or Scott. Shout
out to those guys. All right, let's go to Albert
Breer live from Nantucket. Yes, that is a big look
at that tan on this guy. Oh my gosh, what
are you doing this summer? He's just on a lobster boat.
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What's going on?
Speaker 6 (06:38):
No? No, no, no lobster boat for me. But yeah,
this is a couple of weeks. I shut it down.
And one of my few strengths j Mack is my
ability to answer. Everybody can see them on the screen now.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yes, yes, I'm close in personal all right, before we
get to NFL. I know you're a huge college football guy,
and Dion Sanders came out this week and essentially, so
we need a salary cap in college football.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So we're we went from like players.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Can't get paid five years ago to nil to salary
like it's exploding at a pace that I don't think
anybody could have foreseen.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Your buck.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Guys are always big spenders, but when you hear salary
cap in college football, that just it just doesn't seem
to make a ton of sense, does it.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
I mean, I think I understand what Deon's saying, and
I think what Deon's saying is a small version of
a bigger topic that college coaches have been discussing for
years now, which is we need guardrails. We need some
sort of system that will put rules in place that
everybody has to play by that you know, maybe isn't
apples to apples from program to program based on what
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program you're at, but gives everybody a fighting chance. And
you know, I think if you're at a place like Colorado,
which is not you know, a blue blood at the
level of Alabama or an Ohio State or at Texas,
then it really does behoove you to have those sorts
of guardrails in play and have some limits on how
much you can spend. And so what'll be interesting about
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this to me at least is two things. The first
thing I think would be, you know what this looks
like with the nil piece, because even though there is
that PETE the revenue share that goes up to twenty million,
you do have like the other piece of it, which
is nil, and our school is going to be able
to spend above the twenty million nil. How do you
classify nil versus money that's coming from the school. I
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think all of that needs clarification, you know. And then
I think the other one that's really obvious is whether
or not they unionize. And you know, forever and ever
and ever, the NCAAA has pushed back against any sort
of any sort of thought that these guys would be
classified as employees. But if you're going to put a
salary cap in place, it would pretty much necessitate a
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collective bargaining agreement, which would necessity unionization and making these
guys employees.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
So when you listen to Dion, it almost sounds like
he's maybe losing out on recruits to I don't know,
the Texas Text of the World. Here is audio of
Dion talking about a salary cap need albut I.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
Wish it was a cap, you know, like the top
of the line player makes this. And if you're not
that type of guy, you know you're not gonna make that.
This is what the NFL does. So the problem is
you got a guy that's not that durn good, but
he could go to another school and they give him
a half a million dollars and you can't you can't
compete with that. That don't make sense say, all you
have to do is look at the playoffs and see
what those teams spent. And you understand during the white
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in the playoffs, it's kind of hard to compete with
somebody who's giving twenty five thirty million dollars. So during freshman.
Speaker 8 (09:38):
Class it is. It's crazy.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
It seems that pays the more, pays the most is
gonna be then in So.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Again, you're just wrapping about college football. Do you think
we will see one here in the next like five
years or is there just too much layer? Like you
mentioned the word union that's insane for college football.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Come on, yeah, I don't know how you solve it.
And you know, once the genie got out of the bottle,
I don't think there was any putting it back in.
But I also don't know how you put enough rules
in place to make it fair for everybody unless you
turn the guys into employees. And then if you're going
to put a cap on what employees can make, well
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that needs to be negotiated with the employees, which would
require the employees being in a union. So I like,
there's no easy answers here, Jmac. I mean, it just
sort of is what it is. And you know there,
I think there was an opportunity over the last twenty
years for the NCAAA, for the conferences to get a
hold of this early, and get in early and try
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to fix this early and create some sort of order
and rules and guardrails and all of that stuff. And
unfortunately there wasn't the leadership at the NCAA level with
guys like Mark Emritt to do that. Those guys were
more concerned with just collecting every check until the until
the money train stopped rolling, you know, And so now
everybody else has left to pick up the pieces. And
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I think it's, you know again, it's sort of unpredictable
which way that's all going to go.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
All right, let's pivot to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
The new Quarterback Show on Netflix debuted, and it seems
like Kirk Cousins is I don't want to say a
sympathetic figure, but I mean, you're laughing. I think a
lot of people are like, who cares about this guy?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
He's made a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I keep going back to this when the first when
it first happened that they traded up for Penis six
weeks after signing Cousins to one hundred million guaranteed. It
felt like, WHOA, that's kind of dirty. Kirk Cousins. I
feel like he was misled by Atlanta, Like if they had.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Told him drafting Pennix, he probably would not have.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Signed there, right, Yeah, And I think, like the on
the Quarterback Show, he laid it out like as clearly
as he's laid it out, or I think anybody's laid
it out, which is more or less that the Vikings
wanted him to go to year to year and I
think a lot of us knew this at the time.
And yeah, there was some reporting out there on this
that he was looking for a multi year commit from
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a team that beyond just the money, beyond just the guarantees,
you know, a statement like this guy's going to be
our quarterback for the foreseeable future. And that's reflected in
the contract that we negotiated with him. And again, like
the Vikings were through going through this process of resetting
their roster, of of getting some of the older players
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out of there, getting younger at key spots. You sow
at the edge rusher position for example, was a really good,
a really good, really good example of that, like where
they move out to Neil Hunter and they bring in
Andrew van Ginkol and Jonathan Gernard and they draft Alice Turner,
and so like the the idea there was, well, yeah, Kirk,
we're willing to bring you back, we're willing to pay
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you market value. But that does not mean we're not
going to draft a quarterback. We're picking higher than we
plan to pick for some time. And you know, if
the quarterback is there that we like, we're going to
take him. And that means we can't guarantee that you're
going to be the quarterback in twenty twenty five and
going forward. We'll give you the job in twenty four.
But that's where it and the Falcons contract reflected that
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they were going to do more than that, that they
were going to give him at least a couple of
years of runway, and that it was going to be
his show. And so you know, I think, you know,
looking at that from an Apples to Apple's perspective, you know,
Kirk looked at it and said, Okay, on one end,
I'm going to get at least two years and if
I play well more than that. On the other end,
this team is probably going to take a quarterback in
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the first round and I may be out after a
year and looking for a new home again in twenty
twenty five. So of course he took the first option,
not knowing the two options that the two teams will
wind up in very similar situations at the end. And
I think the other thing you noticed just just listening
to him talk, and this is pretty obvious, is like
he felt like the Vikings were very honest with him,
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and because of that, the Vikings lost the quarterback right.
Whereas if you go back and you look at it,
like he felt like the Falcons were wound up being
a little bit dishonest, might be strong, but maybe misled
him a little bit in the way they were going
to handle them.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, let's go on to another story that just popped up.
And you know, Jared Goff, a super nice guy, doesn't
really rattle.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Cages or say stuff. He kind of called the RAMS.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I don't know if it was McVeigh or the RAMS
organization immature for the way they handled his departure a.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I'm looking back, you know, with Jared Goff as a starter,
he and McVeigh were doing awesome.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
They made the playoffs in three or four years like
it was a good run.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, and they got to a Super Bowl and then
to kind of not give him more of, like more
than a one minute heads up that we're trading you.
I don't know, did he deserve that? What's your read
on how that kind of shook out?
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Yeah, I mean I think, you know, if you listen
to a lot of the stuff that Sean himself has
said in the time since, he has a lot of
regret from that. You know, he did go back and
clear some of that stuff up and they have been
able to re establish a relationship. I don't think it
is what it was before and probably never will be,
but I mean it was to the point where, you know,
a year after the trade, one of the first texts
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that Sean got was from Jared congratulating him on winning
the Super Bowl. So yeah, I think there was a
lot of regret in the RAMS organization on the way
things were handled down the stretch in twenty twenty and
into early twenty twenty one with Jared Goff, and they
wish they would have handled it better than they did.
I also don't think that they anticipated that the opportunity
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to replace Jared Goff was going to come along as
quickly as it did. If you remember that happened, that
trade was agreed to now couldn't be consummated till March,
but that trade was agreed to at the end of January,
and so it was I mean, I believe less than
two weeks after the Rams season ended, So everything kind
of moved fast. And I do think the Rams have
some regret over the way that they handled that and
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as much as they I think have worked out their differences,
I think you can see, you know, in the way
that Jared's talking in the documentary that he still feels
a little stung by what went on.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, clearly, anytime you get bounced that way, it's brutal. Now,
I mean, he's done well in Detroit. I don't know
if they back So are you on board with the
Lions probably backsliding a little bit this year?
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Yeah, there's a lot that there, there's a lot that
they have to replace.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
I think Frank Ragnow is a really big boss. Like
I I know the amount they put on him to
to to to to to help run the show on
offense and really help their young linemen and from a
leadership perspective, from a play perspective, he's really good. Now
they have some answers at the position Graham Glasgow, they
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draft Tate Ratlege out of Georgia. But to think that
they won't take a little bit of a step back
and what's been a massive stretch for strength with them
along that offensive line, yeah, I think you'd be you'd be,
You'd be fooling yourself at least a little bit not
to think that they're that they that there's going to
be at least some effects to to losing Rag now upfront.
Then the other obvious part is the coordinators, right, So
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can Kelvin Shepard be what Aaron Glenn was? Can John
Morton be what Ben Johnson was? Those are high bars
to clear for those coaches. On the flip side, though,
I think everybody needs to remember what the lines were
at the end of the year. That was an incredibly
banged up team. They were playing at an exceptionally high
level when they were healthy, and they were able to
withstand losses of guys like Aiden Hutchinson and Aleen McNeil.
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On the defensive side of the ball. They were down
to I think only three or four like full time starters,
like the guys they had planned to be their starters
out there on that side, you know. So I think
if you look at that and you figure they're not
going to have as bad injury luck, and they've still
got so many young players that are ascending, you know,
you guys like Jamison Williams and Jamiri Gibbs and Brian Branch,
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you know Aiden Hutchinson himself coming back off the injury.
That those guys are still on the way up. They
still should be really good, even if they do take
a step back.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I got to ask you about the Kansas City chiefs.
I think when you do tea he hits, you automatically
have to talk chiefs at some point.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
But Brent Veach made a.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Curious comment about Travis Kelcey, and I think he was
just being honest, but it kind of sounded like maybe
he can see the end for Travis Kelcey and like
you could see him wear down.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
But he was just being honest. I don't think it
was a dig.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
But I'm curious just to your thoughts on on Vech's
comments on Kelsey.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Well, I mean he's turning thirty six, Yeah, you know
what I mean. Like, so, I think I think if
you're if you're being honest about it, like he's already
that position, by the way, Like it's amazing he's made
it as long as he has more tight ends where
the tag of injury prone than I think at any
other position. And the reason why is because of how
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difficult that position is on your body. So the fact
that he's made it this far is really really remarkable.
But yeah, they do have to they do have to
plan for what's next here. They did give Noah Gray
a contract extension, who's been his backup, and they drafted
out a duke a couple of years ago, and the
offense is going to look a little bit different. I mean,
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I I the weird thing is j mac like I
look at it like I think Travis Kelcey could take
a step back and they still could be significantly better
on offense than they were a year ago. And it's
for a few reasons. I think their tackle situation will
be better. I don't know what combination of Jalen Moore,
Juwan Taylor, and Josh Simmons will be out there tackle,
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but it should be better than what they were doing
what they had at the end of the year last year.
You know, and then Matt Naggi had this vision for
the offense last summer that never came to life, and
it was Hollywood Brown and Xavier Worthy on the outside,
with Travis Kelcey and Rashie Rice running through the space
vacated underneath. Hollywood Brown got hurt start of the year.
He wasn't available till December. Rashie Rice went down for
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the year about a month in so you never got
to see all that all together. Well, now you are
going to get the chance to see it all together.
And they think Rashie Rice has a chance to be
one of the ten best receivers in football. What and
Xavier Worthy's coming back in the second year and the
Checko's healthy. So if you're better at tackle and you
had this vision that come that that that that you
had drawn out last year, that comes to life this year,
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I think they actually have a chance to be better
on offense than they were a year ago, with the
X factor, of course being Kelsey's age. The same way,
I think the defense is going to be really good
with the X factor being Chris Jones' age on that
side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Now, listen, I'm glad you saved that hot take for
that moment because I'm shocked right now. I haven't heard
anybody say that. Everybody seems to think regression is coming,
you know.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Because you're all prisoners to the last thing you saw.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Not me, but other people probably. So that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
The world where the Chiefs offense is better with everybody
healthy and the offensive line maybe, Well, you're an Ohio
State guy, right, you know, you know the guy that
they drafted.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Right, yeah, I mean like Simmons is, like, that's a
devastating injury for like a big man, like the that's
worse than the torn acl what he wants through the
torn Pteller tendon. And I don't think it was perfect
at first, but since the Chiefs have had him, he's
checked all the boxes and physically he's a freak. So
the beauty of it for the Chiefs is they don't
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need him to start day one. If he wins the job, great,
But they brought in Jalen Moore to play that position
from the Niners, who had been a film for Trent Williams.
They have Juwan Taylor there who has been up and
down but still has ability, so like they can kind
of bring Josh Simmons along at his own pace, and
you know, he's got the ability to be a top
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shelf tackle somebody somebody there compared to the Trent Williams.
Maybe that's a little bit over the top, but he
does have a lot of ability.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
All right, we'll wrap up with this. Is there any
update on TJ. Watt.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
There's reports out there that like the fan base is
starting to get divided over what to do with their
beloved TJ.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Watt.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
There's a report about someone family member of someone in
the organization venting we can't pay him.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
What are you hearing out there?
Speaker 6 (22:03):
I just think I just think they're I think there's
too much mutual interest in getting something done for them
not to be for them not to get something done.
The reason the Steelers went and got Aaron Rodgers is
because with the core that they've built, the core that
they've been highly competitive with but not at the top
level with over the last four or five years, there
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may be a one or two year window left and
that's TJ. Watt, Minka Fitzpatrick when he was still there
before he got traded for Jalen Ramsey, which made them
two years older. Cam Hayward's at the end, you know,
with this group of players, it's about twenty twenty five.
And I think that's part of what appealed about the
situation to Aaron Rodgers is that he looks at it
and says, everybody else is on my timetable here. These
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are my peers. We're gonna go chase a championship together.
So if that's where the Steelers are, and TJ. Watt
is at a point in his career where he has
to go chase like he knows that the clock's ticking
a little bit, he has leverage over the Steelers and
that they need him to be part of that vision,
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but it also behooves him to be part of that team,
you know, And so I just think there's too much
mutual interest for them not to get something done. I
do think the contracts for Miles Garrett and Daniel Hunter
and Max Prosby done this offseason do complicate things a
little bit, But at the end of the day, you know,
I the way I see it, at least like the
two parties involved here have have too much mutual interest
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not to find a way to get something done. I
don't know if it will be at the beginning of
camp or right before week one, but I would think
that they'll find some sort of way to work this out.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
All right, Albert Breer, thanks a lot for taking time
out of your vacation and your family to talk football.
Oh my gosh, what a good guy. All right, Albert,
and enjoy all right, Thanks guys, all right, Coming up
next here on the Herd.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Wait a minute, Dia, Am I reading this right?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Yannis making a definitive decision about a future in Milwaukee.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Alex says that for the next In the next segment, here.
Speaker 8 (24:04):
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Speaker 10 (24:20):
Hey, what's up everybody? It's me three time pro bowler
LeVar Arrington and I couldn't be more excited to announce
a podcast called Up on Game? What is Up on Game?
You asked, along with my fellow pro bowler TJ. Hutschman,
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You can only name a show with that type of
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sharing our real life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen
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Speaker 3 (25:02):
Welcome back our number two here on the Herd. It's
a gorgeous Friday morning in Los Angeles. It's me Jason
McIntyre in for Colin Cowhard. I did speak with the
Big Guy yesterday. He is enjoying the burning embers of
his summer vacation in Art's Unknown. I just like saying
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that because they used to announce a wrestling duel from
Parts Unknown.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I don't know if you guys remember that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yes, I was a huge wrestling fan as a kid.
I'm joined by Alex Curry, who track were you a
wrestling fan or no?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
No, I will say now, I appreciate the art of
it because it is it's it's art, it's acting. And
I think when you look at it that way like
it's not you're like, oh, it's not real. It's like,
oh no, it's real. These are incredible athletes. But it's theater.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's theater. It's theater, so you.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Have to look at it like theater and I was
a big theater nerd as a Thespian growing up, So
like once I think I like equated it to that,
I was like, oh, I get it.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
This is cool.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Jake the Sake, Roberts Ultimate Warriors, don't know very Ames.
I know The Rock. I love Duayne the Rock. Johnson,
he's like my fave. It seems like a nice guy,
all right.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Coming up here in like six minutes, Holy cow, we
get an all pro NFL quarterback, Marlon Humphrey from the Ravens.
You know, there's a new ranking out The best secondary
in the league belongs to the Ravens. Interesting the way
they're building it. But we'll talk to Marlon Humphrey soon.
I want to go here. They love to do a
good list on this show. They travel well online, so
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they came up with j Mac. We need a six
pack of teams that can win the Super Bowl, and
there's a couple obvious ones we'll get to. I could
only find two in the AFC and four in the NFC.
So here's my six teams as of right now, early
July twenty twenty five, who can win the twenty twenty
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six Super Bowl. Let's start what that San Francisco forty
nine ers. They had a terrible year last year, but
it was due to injury. Now they get Brandon Ayuk
should be back, although I'm seeing one report he may
not start Week one. We'll see, but Ayuk should be
a factor when he returns. Obviously, the young fellow they
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drafted last year, that Christian McCaffrey comes back. Trent William
still breathing. I think this is going to be a
great team. The schedule is the great determinant, with the
Niners easiest by far in the league. They only face
three playoff teams from last year. They don't face any
of the top five quarterbacks in the league. Folks, the
Niners are a Super Bowl contender. I would say a
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minimum of twelve or thirteen wins. Next up my pick
to win the Super Bowl next year the Buffalo Bills.
They've been knocking on the door for a few years.
Josh Allen obviously tremendous. They came up a little short
in the playoff game in Kansas City. We will not
relitigate the terrible officiating in that one. Obviously, Buffalo huts
some self inflicted wounds trying to pull off the tush
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push show, whatever you want to call it, repeatedly and
it failed. The bill did add Joey Bosa, not a
bad pickup. Josh Palmer from the Chargers Tredavius White. Not
sure what he can give you as like a Nicol
dime quarterback. But they also have a very favorable schedule
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and they've won the last five afcast titled Wow, it
did not realize that it's been a while for my Jets.
The the third team. I think they win the Super
Bowl next year. A bit of a dart throw here
Washington commanders so instantly I get pushed back. Well, the
Texans had a good first year with CJ. Stroud, then
they fell back a little, still made the playoffs. I
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thought Washington adding Laramie Tunseell and Deebo Samuel was just
a stroke of genius. I think is a really good team.
I think they'll push the Eagles in the NFC East.
They're vastly superior to the Cowboys and Giants, and you
just you look at the continuity, kept their head coach,
kept both coordinators. Terry mcclaurin told out should be done
here shortly, folks. I know they got slaughtered by the
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Eagles in the NFC Championship game. They will be much
better if that win over Detroit in the playoffs. I mean,
did Jayden Daniels making the leap in year two? I'm
bullish on Washington. I think they could win the Super Bowl.
Team number four, Yes, you got to go for the
Philadelphia Eagles. They are favored to repeat. I do think
it'll be a challenge. I would not bet them to repeat.
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Offensive line is formidable. Saquon Barkley coming off a heavy
usage year scares me a little bit. You know, I
have Jalen Hurts as the fifth best quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
They did lose their offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
They lost Makai Beckton, Josh Sweat, Brandon Graham, Darius Lay, CJ.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Gardner, Johnson. That's like six starters gone.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
But the Eagles are gonna certainly be an eleven win team,
and there's just too much talent not to be in
the Super Bowl discussion. Next up, Yes, surree the La Rams.
They are really The arrow is super duper pointing upward
for them. They had the best off season according to
one report. You know they grade the moves. One report
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had the Rams having the best off season. Adding Devonte
Adams certainly helps they lose Cooper Cup. But DeVante Adams
and Pooka that is pretty impressive. And they're drafts the
last couple of years. Between Pooka Jared vers Fisk, they've
just hit home run after home run. Is a really
really good team. If the offensive line holds up, they
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should make the NFC Championship. Finally, my final team of
the six pack, they could win.
Speaker 8 (30:35):
The Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
And it's not just because he's coming up as a
guest here, but Baltimore Ravens number one secondary in the NFL. Obviously,
the Lamar Jackson a Derrick Henry combination.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Is just filthy.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
You have to love adding JayR Alexander as like a
dime cornerback.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
They got him on the cheap.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Malachi Starks should form the best safety duo in the league.
I know he's only a rookie, but Hamilton should be
really formidable on the back end if the wide receivers
can stay healthy. I mean, listen, if Mark Andrews doesn't
drop a two point conversion, I don't know what the
Ravens any Super Bowl do. They beat the Chiefs on
the road. Is a really really good team. The Ravens
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will certainly be there. Ken Lamar deliver in January. That's
the big question. So those are my six teams that
can win the Super Bowl. The Jmax six pack. They
love this photo and look at the.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Jets on a dinghy?
Speaker 8 (31:28):
Is that? What that is?
Speaker 6 (31:28):
A dingy?
Speaker 4 (31:30):
An inner tube entertaine is safety tube or whatever. Someone
goes overboard, you toss it to them.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, basically the Jets are overboard. We're a good fifteen
years now.
Speaker 9 (31:40):
I'll be sure to catch live editions of the Herd
weekdays and neon Easter not a em Pacific.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
All right, let's get to our guest, Marlon Humphrey joining
the Herd, the all pro quarterback from the Baltimore Ravens
at college football legend.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
What's up?
Speaker 9 (31:54):
Man?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
How you doing?
Speaker 8 (31:56):
Not that much?
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Feeling good and joined the last couple of days before
I got to start the real world.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
So I'm feeling good.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Let me ask you what was the summer like? I
mean you you've been on a hiatus. Did you go
travel the world? Was you just grinding on football?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
What was going on?
Speaker 5 (32:13):
A lot of golf? A lot of uh, A lot
of LESLIEP nights? I just had a well not just
had but got a six month old now, so it's
been a different offseason definitely not my norm.
Speaker 8 (32:27):
But I just got into golf.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
So golf's been greats football training and then a lot
of family time and we just got had a family vacation.
Speaker 8 (32:37):
So it's really good. But it's been great. Life's been
really good.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Real quick.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
On the golf, I find golf a little slow, you know.
I liked up more up tempost stuff. How do you
handle that transition? Football fast and powerful and golf is
just like taking it easy.
Speaker 8 (32:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
I became a member of the country club that doesn't
have a crazy ton amount of members, so people are
going too slow. I just leave that hole, go to
skip around a lot of different holes. So I've made
it kind of as I don't know if I'm allowed
to do that, so honestly, I might be telling on myself,
but I've made it a little bit faster. But that
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is sometimes the bad thing of golf.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
It takes. It can take some time to some slower players, and.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
I feel like, if you're not you're gonna be a
slower player. You at least got to be good. And
most people that are slow are not good, So that
needs to be a new rule for sure.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
I hope your wife likes it when you say, hey,
i'll be back.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
In five hours. I'm going to play golf. My wife doesn't. Anyways.
Let's get to the NFL aspect.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
So Pro Football Focus recently ranked the secondaries of the league,
and you guys are number one.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
A is at a surprise, be obvious.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
And see, you know a lot of defenses these days,
Marlon are building. Hey, you just need edge rushers, let's
start there. Cornerback is secondary safety and linebacker forget it.
But you guys are kind of built different from the
back end.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
Yeah. I think for me, honestly, we were thirty second
last year.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
I believe last in the league, so for us to
be ranked number one does not really mean anything to me.
I just would love to not be last. I would
love to be number one. That would be amazing, but
I'm really focused on what we just did last year.
We got essentially most of the same guys returning, so
I would love to finish number one.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
That'd be great.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
But I do know right now, the only thing on
my mind is we were the thirty second ranked and
that was that. That's not cool, and that's just not
very good. So I'm trying to fix that before we
even think about being number.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
One toughest quarterback you faced last season, all the.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Toughest quarterback I faced last season would probably.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I mean, he faced a lot of good ones.
Speaker 8 (34:52):
That's a.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Oh Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow, I don't even know, Yeah,
Joe Burrow a surprising second, even though we end up
winning that game, but I felt we caught them on
the earlier end. Jayden Daniels what, we caught them pretty
early on. But I just remember, I'm like, man for
his got to be a rookie. He was just so poised,
so smooth, seemed like he never was really phazed. Honestly,
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so I think from a young, young talent perspective, he's
I mean, he already.
Speaker 8 (35:23):
Is a is a star, but he was He's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
So no mention of Josh Allen there. I don't know
Buffalo fans are going to take that as a slight
or did you you know it was Josh Allen easier.
Speaker 8 (35:34):
To prep for.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
No.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
I think they their game well going up their playoff
game plan.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
It just was a pretty it was a playoff game plan.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
I felt, and they didn't really have him do anything
crazy that they didn't need to do. They were I
thought their game plan was really good against us, and
they just kind of kept us on our heels and
we just couldn't really we couldrently make the plays we
need to make. I think you see more. I feel
like you see a little bit more from a quarterback
in a bad way of when they score a lot
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of points on you and either you're ahead and they're
trying to come back, and the quarterbacks really got to
just full blown carry the team. But Josh Allen Bafar
managed the game. Yeah, that playoff game in just a
great way. And I obviously they beat us, and you know,
we played Jalen Hurts, but that was another to me,
a simple, simpler game plan. And so there was a
lot of good quarterbacks, but the ones that seemed like,
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you know, this guy's pretty good obviously Joe Burrow and
they dad it.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, let me quickly. You mentioned playoffs, so I'll ask
about it. Listen. You guys have had some tough endings
to the season.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Obviously, you know the loss in Buffalo was just brutal.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I'm just curious, what's the mood.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Like after that because every season you guys go and
thinking we got a shot at the Super Bowl and
then to come up short again. I don't know what
was a vibe like do you remember that day pretty closely?
Speaker 5 (36:58):
It's not the best I think it was a lot
of uncertainty. I felt for myself, for some of the
other guys to know if you they'd be around the
next year, including myself, and so there's a lot of uncertainty.
Speaker 8 (37:14):
Obviously, you know, teams change every single year.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Felt that you had a really good roster at the time,
so yeah, it was just a lot of uncertainty. It
was a lot of you know, kind of what happened,
you know, what did we do wrong here?
Speaker 8 (37:27):
But it was definitely.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
You know, obviously every year if you don't win the
Super Bowl, to you didn't get the objective. But over
my past eight years, it was definitely a definitely a
different feeling of just it was just different.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
You know.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
I don't know if it was because we felt we
had a good team or what, but if I had
to put.
Speaker 8 (37:45):
Into words, it would be just a lot of uncertainty.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
If Lamar is a golfing partner but I'm sure you
get this a lot. Hey man, when is Lamar gonna
carry you guys one day in January? And I know
it win as a team, loses a team, but he
has had some playoff game where he hasn't been MVP calibers.
What do you say to people when they when they
ask you about or maybe nobody asked you about this.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Espestally, I don't get accet too often.
Speaker 8 (38:14):
I think, I, you know, I have the player.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
I don't really see it as a just quarterback only
type stat. I know that's kind of how it is.
It's all about, you know, the quarterback got But I
just want to focus on, you know, how can we help,
how can we play better? How can we win the game.
On defense, There's been a lot of past Baltimore Ravens
defenses that have you know, led teams. All I know
is that the biggest stat is, you know, we haven't
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really had I think we've had one ton over and
all of Lamar's playoff games.
Speaker 8 (38:42):
So I know it's all about the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
But you know, when you look at the numbers, you
look at the stats, you look at the reality the
Baltimore Ravens defense hasn't really helped out at all or
even done their part to.
Speaker 8 (38:52):
Win some of these playoff games.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
And that's kind of the biggest focus on us in
the defensive room this offseason, and that'll be the focus
in training camp and it'll translate.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
To games a little inside football. But the gayr Alexander addition,
does this change anything for you? Do you prefer playing
on the inside outside? Does it matter or or because
the secondary is pretty stacked right now.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
Yeah, yeah, it didn't matter to me. I was super
excited to add him to the to the squad. I
actually tried to hit him up on Instagram, but he
deleted his Instagram so I was like scrambling get his number.
And then by the time I even could get it,
I see him in the building and so I'm like,
all right, sweet, and I talked to him, and I'm
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just super excited.
Speaker 8 (39:35):
We got a lot of great players in our secondary
of this year.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
I think the way we want to play, who plays
where matchups we put, you know, all our best guys
in the field.
Speaker 8 (39:45):
Yeah, I'm just super excited it.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
I think you just can't go wrong adding a guy
like that, and so I'm really excited for this year
secondary and excited for us to just make a lot
of plays and hopefully he'll he'll help. Like I said,
with getting those turnovers in the playoffs. He've done it
before and I look forwar him doing it again.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Let me quickly ask you, I noticed you played in
twenty fifteen at Alabama on a loaded team with Derrick Henry.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Is that the most dominant team you've ever been on
or was there a.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Ravens team you felt that was more dominant, because you, guys,
I'm looking at the results twenty fifteen, You guys just
eviscerated almost everybody.
Speaker 8 (40:21):
We Yeah, it.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
Would be it would be hard. I have been on
the number one defense and in the NFL, But that
that that that Alabama team was just next level. I
think everyone on the starters ended up getting drafted into
the NFL. You're breaking giving the ball at Derek Henry
forty times a game, Nobody can stop it.
Speaker 8 (40:44):
So there was there was it was.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
It was honestly pretty crazy to look back from that team,
and you know, obviously the next year we end up
losing a Clemson, but it would have been great to repeat.
Speaker 8 (40:53):
But that that that's the fifteen team. It was just
it was just.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Loaded and I don't I don't know if there that
domination is can only be done really at the college level.
Speaker 8 (41:04):
But that was that was a great year.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yeah, all right, we could wrap up. You got a movie,
Nothing but a Winner. It's a documentary tell us about
it being part of the process. What's that been like
and any comparisons to football.
Speaker 8 (41:18):
Yeah, so it was great.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
I executive produced Nothing but a Winner, me and my sister,
she's the actress in La. It was a great opportunity
that got presented to me and I was able to
be a part of it and kind of have inputs
here and there and different things. It's basically just about
you know, the history of two great coaches at happened
to be at the universe Alabama. Some of the wins,
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some of the you know, ugly losses, the kick six
for harburd fans out there, tune INTC they had, and
you know kind of how Bama came up part to be,
you know, with segregation and different things. First, you know,
athlete African American athlete at the university.
Speaker 8 (41:56):
So a lot of different things going on with it.
But just as basically.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
A documentary about just greatness, how it form the process
of it, all the great things that kind of is
in the rich history of Alabama football and just winning coaches.
That's the biggest thing is you can take away with
your Alabama fan, not Alabama fan. It's just really a
a documentary about just something great and it'll be out soon.
Speaker 8 (42:22):
And it'll be it'll be really good.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, it sounds like July thirty first in theater's congrats
on that. I'm curious. A lot of.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
People look to set themselves up for a post career.
You just turned twenty nine, so you got a ways
to go. But is Hollywood where you want to go next?
Or you know a lot of guys transition to the media,
or you could you know, do what Cam Newton's doing
and just start a podcast and trying to go rebel
rouse that way.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
What do you think in post career?
Speaker 8 (42:48):
I had a lot of different thoughts. Media was one.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
You know, Hollywood would be would be awesome if I
if I chose that route.
Speaker 8 (42:55):
There's you know, that's something I kind of think about.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
You know, obviously, you do football for a long time
and you're you kind of figure out what do you
want to do after there's so many different ways you
can go, but I would love to. You know, I
always wanted to direct a movie. I always wanted to
play in a movie. So I've always wanted to do
something around that space. Maybe not full time. But the
cool thing about all that is that's something you can
do and do something else. But media, Hollywood, all those
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things are kind of things that interest me. And just
we'll just have to see when what happens when I
when I retire with the wife says, you know, so
I always have a big part in that. I wish
I could be a pro golfer. If I could do that,
I would that would be the biggest one. But I
think I missed too many reps when I was six, seven,
eight years old.
Speaker 8 (43:38):
You can't get back, and so.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
The best I could do now was maybe break eighty
one day of my life and I'll consider that my
Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Hey, let me ask one more things. I just was
watching those highlights and I thought about something. So Travis
Hunter is coming into the league as an elite cornerback
and wants to play both ways. I'm assuming in high
school you were playing both ways and dominating. But Marlin,
my big thing the second he said this, I was like, okay,
so you got to play the Ravens, So you got
to go tackle Derek Henry and space then go to
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the sideline and come back on and.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Run a bunch of passa. That's impossible. How on earth
is he going to be able to do this?
Speaker 3 (44:12):
And I'm just curious your thoughts on on did you
play two ways in high school?
Speaker 2 (44:15):
And yeah? Is this mission impossible for Travis Hunter?
Speaker 8 (44:20):
I think, you know, he is very talented. I think
he's me watching.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
I think he's a really really elite DV based off
the you know, a couple of games I saw this
past year.
Speaker 8 (44:32):
But to do both it seems very mission impossible.
Speaker 5 (44:35):
As you know, I think Dion obviously did a little
bit of it, you know, back in his day, but
I just think the game has changed so much since then.
Dion was clearly light and day the fastest guy out there. Nowadays,
everybody's fast, you know. I think of Jason Kelsey, that
dude's running up on you just as fast as as
a receiver tight end. So I think he's really he
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got a tough challenge ahead. I think eventually he will realize, man,
it's really really hard to do this at a high
level where every week you're.
Speaker 8 (45:08):
Playing a top NFL team.
Speaker 5 (45:10):
It's not like college, where you know, there is teams
on everyone's roster, where it's like this should be a
pretty easy game.
Speaker 8 (45:17):
And that's just not the case in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
And I think he'll I hope he has success with it,
and I hope he just decides it's just too much
for me as opposed to you know, he kind of
struggles with it. But I definitely think he has the
ability to do it, but I more just think the
stamina to do it.
Speaker 8 (45:35):
I don't know if anyone has that to do it
for You played with.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Derreck Henry in college.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Now he's your teammate, have you I'm just curious, have
you ever tackled him?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
What the hell is that?
Speaker 8 (45:44):
Like? The problem is he's so tall.
Speaker 5 (45:48):
A lot of times you go low, his knee will
actually hit your head, and it's it's a lot he's
this stuff got to tackle. He's somehow, I don't know how,
he gets stronger and faster in the fourth quarter while
everyone else seems to be fatiguing, And I think that
gives him a lot of his advantage. But his exception
speed he's so tall. He's getting on the edge faster
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than what you think. And if you if you don't
go now, it's it's bad and it's stiff. Arm will
throw you around, but it's rough. It's something at the corner.
You think, I shouldn't be doing this. I don't want
to do this. The linebacker Delauna should be doing this.
But when you do, got to do it, you gotta
you gotta run your feet, try not to close your
eyes and try to get him down.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Yeah, good stuff, Marlin Humphrey, check out is movie nothing
but a winner. End of this month in theater's congrats
on everything man, and good.
Speaker 8 (46:34):
Luck this year. Yes, yes, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
All right, Marlon Humphrey, who's a budding golfer who knew
I had no idea, but I hope Travis Hunter was listening.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Did you, I mean, did you hear did you see
the reaction? Alex? He almost started laughing. He's like, yeah,
that's mischief. It's hard.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
I mean again, like you, you never wanted to deter
someone from reaching a crazy goal that we've never seen before.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
I mean, people have to show. Hey, Otani when he.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
Said he was going to be a power hitter and
An's pitcher. Obviously, it's way different on your body baseball
compared to football, but again, don't knock it until you
until you try it. I think that's kind of most players'
reactions are going to be what Marlin's reaction was, but
again he's very impressed. Producer Golfer like like that was
(47:19):
a good interview, pretty fun
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
It's me Jason McIntyre in for Colin Cowherd. He's enjoying
an extended July fourth holiday. Boy, heck, guys living the
dream baby. So it's me and Alex Curry in the
Salt Mines. Alex, how we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hold it up? By the way, how was your July fourth?
Any firework activity or not? One? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I mean I did the standard like I think I
talked about it when we were on the show last week.
The Strand is just like immaculate vibes in hermos in Manhattan,
and I have a couple of friends with strandhouses, so
just yeah, just just know, Matt Staff just did the
walk down the Strand like seeing seeing everybody else rage
and have a good time and just waving from afar
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because I've officially been pregnant for every holiday since Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Wow, that's been great. All right, Well that's exciting. You know,
you got you got a big summer ahead, big summer.
We're in the red zone. We're feeling good, we're feeling happy.
Just hopefully she cooks for another week too.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
All right.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
We got Albert Breer coming up in five minutes. He's
jet setting against well, all these guys taking summer vacations.
We're just work. We grind, all right, let me let
me quickly go. So a lot of NBA free agency
has been decided.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Not everything.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Bradley Biel could still move. You've got big got Jonathan Kuminga.
I don't know if he's adjusting the odds of anybody,
but we decided to come up with a Jmax six
pack as of now, the six pack of NBA teams
that can win the championship next year.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Now, as I was reminded.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
This morning, if we had done this last year at
this time, it would have been Boston Celtics one through six.
Everybody thought they were gonna repeat. They had a loaded team.
They just won the chip. I mean they were absolutely
stacked and didn't get out of the second round.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
So keep that in mind.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
No, defending champ has gotten out of the second round
since the Kadi Curry Warriors. Let's have the six pack.
Let's get started with. I think we're starting with the
Cleveland Cavaliers in the East, mostly because they retain almost.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Everyone on their team.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
They did lose tied Jerome rotational guy had a good season.
But when you keep the core Garland coming off to
tow injury in the in the playoffs, MOBLEI Allen Mitchell
is a good team. DeAndre Hunters now had we'll have
a full season.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I know Cleveland, it's tough to think of them winning
a chip without Lebron, but guys, the pieces are there
for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I think the Cleveland Cavaliers are one or two.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
In the East.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Let's go to the next team and that is the
New York Knickerbockers. Yep, do they still call them Knickerbockers
either way. So last year, the Knicks added two new
starters in Towns and Bridges. Obviously very difficult to dominate
right out of the gate with two new starters. Well,
now this year the Knicks I will have a new
head coach, but it looks like they're going to retain
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everyone else from the starting lineup, added two guys to
the bench.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I you know, listen, Mike Brown, I like.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Him if he plays his cards right and uses more
bench and keeps his guys fresh for the postseason. I
don't see why this isn't a fifty five to six
win team, sixty win team, and I think they're top
two in the East, maybe number one, and the garden
home court advantage will be sick in the postseason. All right,
let's go to the West because nobody else is good
in the East, and we're gonna go Lakers.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I know, I know, Jay Mack, you're crazy. Were doing well.
Let's see if they add Bradley Beild there for sure in.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
The six pack, and I'm gonna put them here out
of respect to I don't know, two of the five
best players in the league in Luca and Lebron.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Oh, Jay, what happened against Minnesota? Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
They had like twenty games together to work out the Kings.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
They had no center.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Can we just take a deep breath and say, like
they lost to the Timberwolves and nobody really saw it coming,
They're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
The Lakers are certainly one of the six best.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Teams in the league. Next up, Denver Nuggets. I like
the offseason they've had. They're putting all their chips in
for now. Cam Johnson for Michael Porter Jr. Feels like
a slight upgrade, not a huge one because MPJ.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Is a much better scorer.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
But I think Cam Johnson will be good. I like
Bruce Brown coming.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Back getting off Russell Westbrook. I think they added.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Tim Hardaway to Yeah, Tim Hardaway, They've done.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
A good job.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
And remember Aaron Gordon was hurt in Game seven with
the ankle or maybe they beat OKC. Next up the
Houston Rockets. I think they've won the offseason more than anybody.
I mean, they added Kevin Durant, look at this, they
added Climp Capella, and they added Dorian Finney Smith. Essentially,
the Rockets got better than anybody and they lost like nothing,
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Dylan Brooks and Jalen Green and a first round pick.
I think you could look for guys like Reed Shepherd
to step up big time. I would not be surprised
at all if shen Goon is an All Star once again,
Jabari Smith less pressure Aman Thompson rising star.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Houston's good.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I think the team to beat in the West Houston
Rockets in the Jmax six pack.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
And I know you're waiting.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
On one last team, Okac Thunder.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I had for a moment Orlando in this spot over OKC. Yeah,
that's real. I could see Alex looking at me like Jmack,
what's wrong with you. I'm just gonna remind you guys.
SGA got paid, Chad Holbern got paid. There it's a
different mentality and mindset among the players, and history bears
this out. If you haven't won the chip, haven't gotten paid.
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Its front, front of office. That's a top priority. That's everything.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Well, now they got the title.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
SGA's got all the accolades, he's got all the money
that hunger desires.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Not quite there. Yes they're young.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yes, they're probably gonna win fifty to sixty games, maybe
sixty two. I don't know that they're gonna win the Championshi.
But again, you guys can better go for it. I'm
not doing that. So there's the Jmax six pack heading
into next season. Oh my gosh, who you doing these graphics?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
For everyone listening?
Speaker 4 (06:11):
You guys, there is a photo of j Mac on
the screen that is.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So on brand I'm in a tank top. Yes, that's
a good job. I think that's Timy or Scott. Shout
out to those guys. All right, let's go to Albert
Breer live from Nantucket. Yes, that is a big look
at that tan on this guy. Oh my gosh, what
are you doing this summer? He's just on a lobster boat.
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What's going on?
Speaker 6 (06:38):
No? No, no, no lobster boat for me. But yeah,
this is a couple of weeks. I shut it down.
And one of my few strengths j Mack is my
ability to answer. Everybody can see them on the screen now.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yes, yes, I'm close in personal all right, before we
get to NFL. I know you're a huge college football guy,
and Dion Sanders came out this week and essentially, so
we need a salary cap in college football.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So we're we went from like players.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Can't get paid five years ago to nil to salary
like it's exploding at a pace that I don't think
anybody could have foreseen.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Your buck.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Guys are always big spenders, but when you hear salary
cap in college football, that just it just doesn't seem
to make a ton of sense, does it.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
I mean, I think I understand what Deon's saying, and
I think what Deon's saying is a small version of
a bigger topic that college coaches have been discussing for
years now, which is we need guardrails. We need some
sort of system that will put rules in place that
everybody has to play by that you know, maybe isn't
apples to apples from program to program based on what
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program you're at, but gives everybody a fighting chance. And
you know, I think if you're at a place like Colorado,
which is not you know, a blue blood at the
level of Alabama or an Ohio State or at Texas,
then it really does behoove you to have those sorts
of guardrails in play and have some limits on how
much you can spend. And so what'll be interesting about
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this to me at least is two things. The first
thing I think would be, you know what this looks
like with the nil piece, because even though there is
that PETE the revenue share that goes up to twenty million,
you do have like the other piece of it, which
is nil, and our school is going to be able
to spend above the twenty million nil. How do you
classify nil versus money that's coming from the school. I
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think all of that needs clarification, you know. And then
I think the other one that's really obvious is whether
or not they unionize. And you know, forever and ever
and ever, the NCAAA has pushed back against any sort
of any sort of thought that these guys would be
classified as employees. But if you're going to put a
salary cap in place, it would pretty much necessitate a
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collective bargaining agreement, which would necessity unionization and making these
guys employees.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
So when you listen to Dion, it almost sounds like
he's maybe losing out on recruits to I don't know,
the Texas Text of the World. Here is audio of
Dion talking about a salary cap need albut I.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
Wish it was a cap, you know, like the top
of the line player makes this. And if you're not
that type of guy, you know you're not gonna make that.
This is what the NFL does. So the problem is
you got a guy that's not that durn good, but
he could go to another school and they give him
a half a million dollars and you can't you can't
compete with that. That don't make sense say, all you
have to do is look at the playoffs and see
what those teams spent. And you understand during the white
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in the playoffs, it's kind of hard to compete with
somebody who's giving twenty five thirty million dollars. So during freshman.
Speaker 8 (09:38):
Class it is. It's crazy.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
It seems that pays the more, pays the most is
gonna be then in So.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Again, you're just wrapping about college football. Do you think
we will see one here in the next like five
years or is there just too much layer? Like you
mentioned the word union that's insane for college football.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Come on, yeah, I don't know how you solve it.
And you know, once the genie got out of the bottle,
I don't think there was any putting it back in.
But I also don't know how you put enough rules
in place to make it fair for everybody unless you
turn the guys into employees. And then if you're going
to put a cap on what employees can make, well
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that needs to be negotiated with the employees, which would
require the employees being in a union. So I like,
there's no easy answers here, Jmac. I mean, it just
sort of is what it is. And you know there,
I think there was an opportunity over the last twenty
years for the NCAAA, for the conferences to get a
hold of this early, and get in early and try
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to fix this early and create some sort of order
and rules and guardrails and all of that stuff. And
unfortunately there wasn't the leadership at the NCAA level with
guys like Mark Emritt to do that. Those guys were
more concerned with just collecting every check until the until
the money train stopped rolling, you know, And so now
everybody else has left to pick up the pieces. And
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I think it's, you know again, it's sort of unpredictable
which way that's all going to go.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
All right, let's pivot to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
The new Quarterback Show on Netflix debuted, and it seems
like Kirk Cousins is I don't want to say a
sympathetic figure, but I mean, you're laughing. I think a
lot of people are like, who cares about this guy?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
He's made a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I keep going back to this when the first when
it first happened that they traded up for Penis six
weeks after signing Cousins to one hundred million guaranteed. It
felt like, WHOA, that's kind of dirty. Kirk Cousins. I
feel like he was misled by Atlanta, Like if they had.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Told him drafting Pennix, he probably would not have.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Signed there, right, Yeah, And I think, like the on
the Quarterback Show, he laid it out like as clearly
as he's laid it out, or I think anybody's laid
it out, which is more or less that the Vikings
wanted him to go to year to year and I
think a lot of us knew this at the time.
And yeah, there was some reporting out there on this
that he was looking for a multi year commit from
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a team that beyond just the money, beyond just the guarantees,
you know, a statement like this guy's going to be
our quarterback for the foreseeable future. And that's reflected in
the contract that we negotiated with him. And again, like
the Vikings were through going through this process of resetting
their roster, of of getting some of the older players
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out of there, getting younger at key spots. You sow
at the edge rusher position for example, was a really good,
a really good, really good example of that, like where
they move out to Neil Hunter and they bring in
Andrew van Ginkol and Jonathan Gernard and they draft Alice Turner,
and so like the the idea there was, well, yeah, Kirk,
we're willing to bring you back, we're willing to pay
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you market value. But that does not mean we're not
going to draft a quarterback. We're picking higher than we
plan to pick for some time. And you know, if
the quarterback is there that we like, we're going to
take him. And that means we can't guarantee that you're
going to be the quarterback in twenty twenty five and
going forward. We'll give you the job in twenty four.
But that's where it and the Falcons contract reflected that
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they were going to do more than that, that they
were going to give him at least a couple of
years of runway, and that it was going to be
his show. And so you know, I think, you know,
looking at that from an Apples to Apple's perspective, you know,
Kirk looked at it and said, Okay, on one end,
I'm going to get at least two years and if
I play well more than that. On the other end,
this team is probably going to take a quarterback in
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the first round and I may be out after a
year and looking for a new home again in twenty
twenty five. So of course he took the first option,
not knowing the two options that the two teams will
wind up in very similar situations at the end. And
I think the other thing you noticed just just listening
to him talk, and this is pretty obvious, is like
he felt like the Vikings were very honest with him,
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and because of that, the Vikings lost the quarterback right.
Whereas if you go back and you look at it,
like he felt like the Falcons were wound up being
a little bit dishonest, might be strong, but maybe misled
him a little bit in the way they were going
to handle them.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, let's go on to another story that just popped up.
And you know, Jared Goff, a super nice guy, doesn't
really rattle.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Cages or say stuff. He kind of called the RAMS.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I don't know if it was McVeigh or the RAMS
organization immature for the way they handled his departure a.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I'm looking back, you know, with Jared Goff as a starter,
he and McVeigh were doing awesome.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
They made the playoffs in three or four years like
it was a good run.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, and they got to a Super Bowl and then
to kind of not give him more of, like more
than a one minute heads up that we're trading you.
I don't know, did he deserve that? What's your read
on how that kind of shook out?
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Yeah, I mean I think, you know, if you listen
to a lot of the stuff that Sean himself has
said in the time since, he has a lot of
regret from that. You know, he did go back and
clear some of that stuff up and they have been
able to re establish a relationship. I don't think it
is what it was before and probably never will be,
but I mean it was to the point where, you know,
a year after the trade, one of the first texts
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that Sean got was from Jared congratulating him on winning
the Super Bowl. So yeah, I think there was a
lot of regret in the RAMS organization on the way
things were handled down the stretch in twenty twenty and
into early twenty twenty one with Jared Goff, and they
wish they would have handled it better than they did.
I also don't think that they anticipated that the opportunity
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to replace Jared Goff was going to come along as
quickly as it did. If you remember that happened, that
trade was agreed to now couldn't be consummated till March,
but that trade was agreed to at the end of January,
and so it was I mean, I believe less than
two weeks after the Rams season ended, So everything kind
of moved fast. And I do think the Rams have
some regret over the way that they handled that and
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as much as they I think have worked out their differences,
I think you can see, you know, in the way
that Jared's talking in the documentary that he still feels
a little stung by what went on.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, clearly, anytime you get bounced that way, it's brutal. Now,
I mean, he's done well in Detroit. I don't know
if they back So are you on board with the
Lions probably backsliding a little bit this year?
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Yeah, there's a lot that there, there's a lot that
they have to replace.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
I think Frank Ragnow is a really big boss. Like
I I know the amount they put on him to
to to to to to help run the show on
offense and really help their young linemen and from a
leadership perspective, from a play perspective, he's really good. Now
they have some answers at the position Graham Glasgow, they
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draft Tate Ratlege out of Georgia. But to think that
they won't take a little bit of a step back
and what's been a massive stretch for strength with them
along that offensive line, yeah, I think you'd be you'd be,
You'd be fooling yourself at least a little bit not
to think that they're that they that there's going to
be at least some effects to to losing Rag now upfront.
Then the other obvious part is the coordinators, right, So
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can Kelvin Shepard be what Aaron Glenn was? Can John
Morton be what Ben Johnson was? Those are high bars
to clear for those coaches. On the flip side, though,
I think everybody needs to remember what the lines were
at the end of the year. That was an incredibly
banged up team. They were playing at an exceptionally high
level when they were healthy, and they were able to
withstand losses of guys like Aiden Hutchinson and Aleen McNeil.
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On the defensive side of the ball. They were down
to I think only three or four like full time starters,
like the guys they had planned to be their starters
out there on that side, you know. So I think
if you look at that and you figure they're not
going to have as bad injury luck, and they've still
got so many young players that are ascending, you know,
you guys like Jamison Williams and Jamiri Gibbs and Brian Branch,
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you know Aiden Hutchinson himself coming back off the injury.
That those guys are still on the way up. They
still should be really good, even if they do take
a step back.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I got to ask you about the Kansas City chiefs.
I think when you do tea he hits, you automatically
have to talk chiefs at some point.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
But Brent Veach made a.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Curious comment about Travis Kelcey, and I think he was
just being honest, but it kind of sounded like maybe
he can see the end for Travis Kelcey and like
you could see him wear down.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
But he was just being honest. I don't think it
was a dig.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
But I'm curious just to your thoughts on on Vech's
comments on Kelsey.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Well, I mean he's turning thirty six, Yeah, you know
what I mean. Like, so, I think I think if
you're if you're being honest about it, like he's already
that position, by the way, Like it's amazing he's made
it as long as he has more tight ends where
the tag of injury prone than I think at any
other position. And the reason why is because of how
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difficult that position is on your body. So the fact
that he's made it this far is really really remarkable.
But yeah, they do have to they do have to
plan for what's next here. They did give Noah Gray
a contract extension, who's been his backup, and they drafted
out a duke a couple of years ago, and the
offense is going to look a little bit different. I mean,
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I I the weird thing is j mac like I
look at it like I think Travis Kelcey could take
a step back and they still could be significantly better
on offense than they were a year ago. And it's
for a few reasons. I think their tackle situation will
be better. I don't know what combination of Jalen Moore,
Juwan Taylor, and Josh Simmons will be out there tackle,
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but it should be better than what they were doing
what they had at the end of the year last year.
You know, and then Matt Naggi had this vision for
the offense last summer that never came to life, and
it was Hollywood Brown and Xavier Worthy on the outside,
with Travis Kelcey and Rashie Rice running through the space
vacated underneath. Hollywood Brown got hurt start of the year.
He wasn't available till December. Rashie Rice went down for
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the year about a month in so you never got
to see all that all together. Well, now you are
going to get the chance to see it all together.
And they think Rashie Rice has a chance to be
one of the ten best receivers in football. What and
Xavier Worthy's coming back in the second year and the
Checko's healthy. So if you're better at tackle and you
had this vision that come that that that that you
had drawn out last year, that comes to life this year,
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I think they actually have a chance to be better
on offense than they were a year ago, with the
X factor, of course being Kelsey's age. The same way,
I think the defense is going to be really good
with the X factor being Chris Jones' age on that
side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Now, listen, I'm glad you saved that hot take for
that moment because I'm shocked right now. I haven't heard
anybody say that. Everybody seems to think regression is coming,
you know.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Because you're all prisoners to the last thing you saw.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Not me, but other people probably. So that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
The world where the Chiefs offense is better with everybody
healthy and the offensive line maybe, Well, you're an Ohio
State guy, right, you know, you know the guy that
they drafted.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Right, yeah, I mean like Simmons is, like, that's a
devastating injury for like a big man, like the that's
worse than the torn acl what he wants through the
torn Pteller tendon. And I don't think it was perfect
at first, but since the Chiefs have had him, he's
checked all the boxes and physically he's a freak. So
the beauty of it for the Chiefs is they don't
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need him to start day one. If he wins the job, great,
But they brought in Jalen Moore to play that position
from the Niners, who had been a film for Trent Williams.
They have Juwan Taylor there who has been up and
down but still has ability, so like they can kind
of bring Josh Simmons along at his own pace, and
you know, he's got the ability to be a top
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shelf tackle somebody somebody there compared to the Trent Williams.
Maybe that's a little bit over the top, but he
does have a lot of ability.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
All right, we'll wrap up with this. Is there any
update on TJ. Watt.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
There's reports out there that like the fan base is
starting to get divided over what to do with their
beloved TJ.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Watt.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
There's a report about someone family member of someone in
the organization venting we can't pay him.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
What are you hearing out there?
Speaker 6 (22:03):
I just think I just think they're I think there's
too much mutual interest in getting something done for them
not to be for them not to get something done.
The reason the Steelers went and got Aaron Rodgers is
because with the core that they've built, the core that
they've been highly competitive with but not at the top
level with over the last four or five years, there
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may be a one or two year window left and
that's TJ. Watt, Minka Fitzpatrick when he was still there
before he got traded for Jalen Ramsey, which made them
two years older. Cam Hayward's at the end, you know,
with this group of players, it's about twenty twenty five.
And I think that's part of what appealed about the
situation to Aaron Rodgers is that he looks at it
and says, everybody else is on my timetable here. These
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are my peers. We're gonna go chase a championship together.
So if that's where the Steelers are, and TJ. Watt
is at a point in his career where he has
to go chase like he knows that the clock's ticking
a little bit, he has leverage over the Steelers and
that they need him to be part of that vision,
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but it also behooves him to be part of that team,
you know, And so I just think there's too much
mutual interest for them not to get something done. I
do think the contracts for Miles Garrett and Daniel Hunter
and Max Prosby done this offseason do complicate things a
little bit, But at the end of the day, you know,
I the way I see it, at least like the
two parties involved here have have too much mutual interest
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not to find a way to get something done. I
don't know if it will be at the beginning of
camp or right before week one, but I would think
that they'll find some sort of way to work this out.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
All right, Albert Breer, thanks a lot for taking time
out of your vacation and your family to talk football.
Oh my gosh, what a good guy. All right, Albert,
and enjoy all right, Thanks guys, all right, Coming up
next here on the Herd.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Wait a minute, Dia, Am I reading this right?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Yannis making a definitive decision about a future in Milwaukee.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Alex says that for the next In the next segment, here.
Speaker 8 (24:04):
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Speaker 10 (24:20):
Hey, what's up everybody? It's me three time pro bowler
LeVar Arrington and I couldn't be more excited to announce
a podcast called Up on Game? What is Up on Game?
You asked, along with my fellow pro bowler TJ. Hutschman,
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You can only name a show with that type of
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sharing our real life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen
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Speaker 3 (25:02):
Welcome back our number two here on the Herd. It's
a gorgeous Friday morning in Los Angeles. It's me Jason
McIntyre in for Colin Cowhard. I did speak with the
Big Guy yesterday. He is enjoying the burning embers of
his summer vacation in Art's Unknown. I just like saying
(25:24):
that because they used to announce a wrestling duel from
Parts Unknown.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I don't know if you guys remember that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yes, I was a huge wrestling fan as a kid.
I'm joined by Alex Curry, who track were you a
wrestling fan or no?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
No, I will say now, I appreciate the art of
it because it is it's it's art, it's acting. And
I think when you look at it that way like
it's not you're like, oh, it's not real. It's like,
oh no, it's real. These are incredible athletes. But it's theater.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's theater. It's theater, so you.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Have to look at it like theater and I was
a big theater nerd as a Thespian growing up, So
like once I think I like equated it to that,
I was like, oh, I get it.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
This is cool.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Jake the Sake, Roberts Ultimate Warriors, don't know very Ames.
I know The Rock. I love Duayne the Rock. Johnson,
he's like my fave. It seems like a nice guy,
all right.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Coming up here in like six minutes, Holy cow, we
get an all pro NFL quarterback, Marlon Humphrey from the Ravens.
You know, there's a new ranking out The best secondary
in the league belongs to the Ravens. Interesting the way
they're building it. But we'll talk to Marlon Humphrey soon.
I want to go here. They love to do a
good list on this show. They travel well online, so
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they came up with j Mac. We need a six
pack of teams that can win the Super Bowl, and
there's a couple obvious ones we'll get to. I could
only find two in the AFC and four in the NFC.
So here's my six teams as of right now, early
July twenty twenty five, who can win the twenty twenty
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six Super Bowl. Let's start what that San Francisco forty
nine ers. They had a terrible year last year, but
it was due to injury. Now they get Brandon Ayuk
should be back, although I'm seeing one report he may
not start Week one. We'll see, but Ayuk should be
a factor when he returns. Obviously, the young fellow they
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drafted last year, that Christian McCaffrey comes back. Trent William
still breathing. I think this is going to be a
great team. The schedule is the great determinant, with the
Niners easiest by far in the league. They only face
three playoff teams from last year. They don't face any
of the top five quarterbacks in the league. Folks, the
Niners are a Super Bowl contender. I would say a
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minimum of twelve or thirteen wins. Next up my pick
to win the Super Bowl next year the Buffalo Bills.
They've been knocking on the door for a few years.
Josh Allen obviously tremendous. They came up a little short
in the playoff game in Kansas City. We will not
relitigate the terrible officiating in that one. Obviously, Buffalo huts
some self inflicted wounds trying to pull off the tush
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push show, whatever you want to call it, repeatedly and
it failed. The bill did add Joey Bosa, not a
bad pickup. Josh Palmer from the Chargers Tredavius White. Not
sure what he can give you as like a Nicol
dime quarterback. But they also have a very favorable schedule
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and they've won the last five afcast titled Wow, it
did not realize that it's been a while for my Jets.
The the third team. I think they win the Super
Bowl next year. A bit of a dart throw here
Washington commanders so instantly I get pushed back. Well, the
Texans had a good first year with CJ. Stroud, then
they fell back a little, still made the playoffs. I
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thought Washington adding Laramie Tunseell and Deebo Samuel was just
a stroke of genius. I think is a really good team.
I think they'll push the Eagles in the NFC East.
They're vastly superior to the Cowboys and Giants, and you
just you look at the continuity, kept their head coach,
kept both coordinators. Terry mcclaurin told out should be done
here shortly, folks. I know they got slaughtered by the
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Eagles in the NFC Championship game. They will be much
better if that win over Detroit in the playoffs. I mean,
did Jayden Daniels making the leap in year two? I'm
bullish on Washington. I think they could win the Super Bowl.
Team number four, Yes, you got to go for the
Philadelphia Eagles. They are favored to repeat. I do think
it'll be a challenge. I would not bet them to repeat.
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Offensive line is formidable. Saquon Barkley coming off a heavy
usage year scares me a little bit. You know, I
have Jalen Hurts as the fifth best quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
They did lose their offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
They lost Makai Beckton, Josh Sweat, Brandon Graham, Darius Lay, CJ.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Gardner, Johnson. That's like six starters gone.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
But the Eagles are gonna certainly be an eleven win team,
and there's just too much talent not to be in
the Super Bowl discussion. Next up, Yes, surree the La Rams.
They are really The arrow is super duper pointing upward
for them. They had the best off season according to
one report. You know they grade the moves. One report
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had the Rams having the best off season. Adding Devonte
Adams certainly helps they lose Cooper Cup. But DeVante Adams
and Pooka that is pretty impressive. And they're drafts the
last couple of years. Between Pooka Jared vers Fisk, they've
just hit home run after home run. Is a really
really good team. If the offensive line holds up, they
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should make the NFC Championship. Finally, my final team of
the six pack, they could win.
Speaker 8 (30:35):
The Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
And it's not just because he's coming up as a
guest here, but Baltimore Ravens number one secondary in the NFL. Obviously,
the Lamar Jackson a Derrick Henry combination.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Is just filthy.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
You have to love adding JayR Alexander as like a
dime cornerback.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
They got him on the cheap.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Malachi Starks should form the best safety duo in the league.
I know he's only a rookie, but Hamilton should be
really formidable on the back end if the wide receivers
can stay healthy. I mean, listen, if Mark Andrews doesn't
drop a two point conversion, I don't know what the
Ravens any Super Bowl do. They beat the Chiefs on
the road. Is a really really good team. The Ravens
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will certainly be there. Ken Lamar deliver in January. That's
the big question. So those are my six teams that
can win the Super Bowl. The Jmax six pack. They
love this photo and look at the.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Jets on a dinghy?
Speaker 8 (31:28):
Is that? What that is?
Speaker 6 (31:28):
A dingy?
Speaker 4 (31:30):
An inner tube entertaine is safety tube or whatever. Someone
goes overboard, you toss it to them.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, basically the Jets are overboard. We're a good fifteen
years now.
Speaker 9 (31:40):
I'll be sure to catch live editions of the Herd
weekdays and neon Easter not a em Pacific.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
All right, let's get to our guest, Marlon Humphrey joining
the Herd, the all pro quarterback from the Baltimore Ravens
at college football legend.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
What's up?
Speaker 9 (31:54):
Man?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
How you doing?
Speaker 8 (31:56):
Not that much?
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Feeling good and joined the last couple of days before
I got to start the real world.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
So I'm feeling good.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Let me ask you what was the summer like? I
mean you you've been on a hiatus. Did you go
travel the world? Was you just grinding on football?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
What was going on?
Speaker 5 (32:13):
A lot of golf? A lot of uh, A lot
of LESLIEP nights? I just had a well not just
had but got a six month old now, so it's
been a different offseason definitely not my norm.
Speaker 8 (32:27):
But I just got into golf.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
So golf's been greats football training and then a lot
of family time and we just got had a family vacation.
Speaker 8 (32:37):
So it's really good. But it's been great. Life's been
really good.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Real quick.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
On the golf, I find golf a little slow, you know.
I liked up more up tempost stuff. How do you
handle that transition? Football fast and powerful and golf is
just like taking it easy.
Speaker 8 (32:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
I became a member of the country club that doesn't
have a crazy ton amount of members, so people are
going too slow. I just leave that hole, go to
skip around a lot of different holes. So I've made
it kind of as I don't know if I'm allowed
to do that, so honestly, I might be telling on myself,
but I've made it a little bit faster. But that
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is sometimes the bad thing of golf.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
It takes. It can take some time to some slower players, and.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
I feel like, if you're not you're gonna be a
slower player. You at least got to be good. And
most people that are slow are not good, So that
needs to be a new rule for sure.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
I hope your wife likes it when you say, hey,
i'll be back.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
In five hours. I'm going to play golf. My wife doesn't. Anyways.
Let's get to the NFL aspect.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
So Pro Football Focus recently ranked the secondaries of the league,
and you guys are number one.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
A is at a surprise, be obvious.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
And see, you know a lot of defenses these days,
Marlon are building. Hey, you just need edge rushers, let's
start there. Cornerback is secondary safety and linebacker forget it.
But you guys are kind of built different from the
back end.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
Yeah. I think for me, honestly, we were thirty second
last year.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
I believe last in the league, so for us to
be ranked number one does not really mean anything to me.
I just would love to not be last. I would
love to be number one. That would be amazing, but
I'm really focused on what we just did last year.
We got essentially most of the same guys returning, so
I would love to finish number one.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
That'd be great.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
But I do know right now, the only thing on
my mind is we were the thirty second ranked and
that was that. That's not cool, and that's just not
very good. So I'm trying to fix that before we
even think about being number.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
One toughest quarterback you faced last season, all the.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Toughest quarterback I faced last season would probably.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I mean, he faced a lot of good ones.
Speaker 8 (34:52):
That's a.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Oh Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow, I don't even know, Yeah,
Joe Burrow a surprising second, even though we end up
winning that game, but I felt we caught them on
the earlier end. Jayden Daniels what, we caught them pretty
early on. But I just remember, I'm like, man for
his got to be a rookie. He was just so poised,
so smooth, seemed like he never was really phazed. Honestly,
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so I think from a young, young talent perspective, he's
I mean, he already.
Speaker 8 (35:23):
Is a is a star, but he was He's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
So no mention of Josh Allen there. I don't know
Buffalo fans are going to take that as a slight
or did you you know it was Josh Allen easier.
Speaker 8 (35:34):
To prep for.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
No.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
I think they their game well going up their playoff
game plan.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
It just was a pretty it was a playoff game plan.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
I felt, and they didn't really have him do anything
crazy that they didn't need to do. They were I
thought their game plan was really good against us, and
they just kind of kept us on our heels and
we just couldn't really we couldrently make the plays we
need to make. I think you see more. I feel
like you see a little bit more from a quarterback
in a bad way of when they score a lot
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of points on you and either you're ahead and they're
trying to come back, and the quarterbacks really got to
just full blown carry the team. But Josh Allen Bafar
managed the game. Yeah, that playoff game in just a
great way. And I obviously they beat us, and you know,
we played Jalen Hurts, but that was another to me,
a simple, simpler game plan. And so there was a
lot of good quarterbacks, but the ones that seemed like,
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you know, this guy's pretty good obviously Joe Burrow and
they dad it.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, let me quickly. You mentioned playoffs, so I'll ask
about it. Listen. You guys have had some tough endings
to the season.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Obviously, you know the loss in Buffalo was just brutal.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I'm just curious, what's the mood.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Like after that because every season you guys go and
thinking we got a shot at the Super Bowl and
then to come up short again. I don't know what
was a vibe like do you remember that day pretty closely?
Speaker 5 (36:58):
It's not the best I think it was a lot
of uncertainty. I felt for myself, for some of the
other guys to know if you they'd be around the
next year, including myself, and so there's a lot of uncertainty.
Speaker 8 (37:14):
Obviously, you know, teams change every single year.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Felt that you had a really good roster at the time,
so yeah, it was just a lot of uncertainty. It
was a lot of you know, kind of what happened,
you know, what did we do wrong here?
Speaker 8 (37:27):
But it was definitely.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
You know, obviously every year if you don't win the
Super Bowl, to you didn't get the objective. But over
my past eight years, it was definitely a definitely a
different feeling of just it was just different.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
You know.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
I don't know if it was because we felt we
had a good team or what, but if I had
to put.
Speaker 8 (37:45):
Into words, it would be just a lot of uncertainty.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
If Lamar is a golfing partner but I'm sure you
get this a lot. Hey man, when is Lamar gonna
carry you guys one day in January? And I know
it win as a team, loses a team, but he
has had some playoff game where he hasn't been MVP calibers.
What do you say to people when they when they
ask you about or maybe nobody asked you about this.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Espestally, I don't get accet too often.
Speaker 8 (38:14):
I think, I, you know, I have the player.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
I don't really see it as a just quarterback only
type stat. I know that's kind of how it is.
It's all about, you know, the quarterback got But I
just want to focus on, you know, how can we help,
how can we play better? How can we win the game.
On defense, There's been a lot of past Baltimore Ravens
defenses that have you know, led teams. All I know
is that the biggest stat is, you know, we haven't
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really had I think we've had one ton over and
all of Lamar's playoff games.
Speaker 8 (38:42):
So I know it's all about the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
But you know, when you look at the numbers, you
look at the stats, you look at the reality the
Baltimore Ravens defense hasn't really helped out at all or
even done their part to.
Speaker 8 (38:52):
Win some of these playoff games.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
And that's kind of the biggest focus on us in
the defensive room this offseason, and that'll be the focus
in training camp and it'll translate.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
To games a little inside football. But the gayr Alexander addition,
does this change anything for you? Do you prefer playing
on the inside outside? Does it matter or or because
the secondary is pretty stacked right now.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
Yeah, yeah, it didn't matter to me. I was super
excited to add him to the to the squad. I
actually tried to hit him up on Instagram, but he
deleted his Instagram so I was like scrambling get his number.
And then by the time I even could get it,
I see him in the building and so I'm like,
all right, sweet, and I talked to him, and I'm
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just super excited.
Speaker 8 (39:35):
We got a lot of great players in our secondary
of this year.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
I think the way we want to play, who plays
where matchups we put, you know, all our best guys
in the field.
Speaker 8 (39:45):
Yeah, I'm just super excited it.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
I think you just can't go wrong adding a guy
like that, and so I'm really excited for this year
secondary and excited for us to just make a lot
of plays and hopefully he'll he'll help. Like I said,
with getting those turnovers in the playoffs. He've done it
before and I look forwar him doing it again.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Let me quickly ask you, I noticed you played in
twenty fifteen at Alabama on a loaded team with Derrick Henry.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Is that the most dominant team you've ever been on
or was there a.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Ravens team you felt that was more dominant, because you, guys,
I'm looking at the results twenty fifteen, You guys just
eviscerated almost everybody.
Speaker 8 (40:21):
We Yeah, it.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
Would be it would be hard. I have been on
the number one defense and in the NFL, But that
that that that Alabama team was just next level. I
think everyone on the starters ended up getting drafted into
the NFL. You're breaking giving the ball at Derek Henry
forty times a game, Nobody can stop it.
Speaker 8 (40:44):
So there was there was it was.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
It was honestly pretty crazy to look back from that team,
and you know, obviously the next year we end up
losing a Clemson, but it would have been great to repeat.
Speaker 8 (40:53):
But that that that's the fifteen team. It was just
it was just.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Loaded and I don't I don't know if there that
domination is can only be done really at the college level.
Speaker 8 (41:04):
But that was that was a great year.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yeah, all right, we could wrap up. You got a movie,
Nothing but a Winner. It's a documentary tell us about
it being part of the process. What's that been like
and any comparisons to football.
Speaker 8 (41:18):
Yeah, so it was great.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
I executive produced Nothing but a Winner, me and my sister,
she's the actress in La. It was a great opportunity
that got presented to me and I was able to
be a part of it and kind of have inputs
here and there and different things. It's basically just about
you know, the history of two great coaches at happened
to be at the universe Alabama. Some of the wins,
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some of the you know, ugly losses, the kick six
for harburd fans out there, tune INTC they had, and
you know kind of how Bama came up part to be,
you know, with segregation and different things. First, you know,
athlete African American athlete at the university.
Speaker 8 (41:56):
So a lot of different things going on with it.
But just as basically.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
A documentary about just greatness, how it form the process
of it, all the great things that kind of is
in the rich history of Alabama football and just winning coaches.
That's the biggest thing is you can take away with
your Alabama fan, not Alabama fan. It's just really a
a documentary about just something great and it'll be out soon.
Speaker 8 (42:22):
And it'll be it'll be really good.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, it sounds like July thirty first in theater's congrats
on that. I'm curious. A lot of.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
People look to set themselves up for a post career.
You just turned twenty nine, so you got a ways
to go. But is Hollywood where you want to go next?
Or you know a lot of guys transition to the media,
or you could you know, do what Cam Newton's doing
and just start a podcast and trying to go rebel
rouse that way.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
What do you think in post career?
Speaker 8 (42:48):
I had a lot of different thoughts. Media was one.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
You know, Hollywood would be would be awesome if I
if I chose that route.
Speaker 8 (42:55):
There's you know, that's something I kind of think about.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
You know, obviously, you do football for a long time
and you're you kind of figure out what do you
want to do after there's so many different ways you
can go, but I would love to. You know, I
always wanted to direct a movie. I always wanted to
play in a movie. So I've always wanted to do
something around that space. Maybe not full time. But the
cool thing about all that is that's something you can
do and do something else. But media, Hollywood, all those
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things are kind of things that interest me. And just
we'll just have to see when what happens when I
when I retire with the wife says, you know, so
I always have a big part in that. I wish
I could be a pro golfer. If I could do that,
I would that would be the biggest one. But I
think I missed too many reps when I was six, seven,
eight years old.
Speaker 8 (43:38):
You can't get back, and so.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
The best I could do now was maybe break eighty
one day of my life and I'll consider that my
Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Hey, let me ask one more things. I just was
watching those highlights and I thought about something. So Travis
Hunter is coming into the league as an elite cornerback
and wants to play both ways. I'm assuming in high
school you were playing both ways and dominating. But Marlin,
my big thing the second he said this, I was like, okay,
so you got to play the Ravens, So you got
to go tackle Derek Henry and space then go to
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the sideline and come back on and.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Run a bunch of passa. That's impossible. How on earth
is he going to be able to do this?
Speaker 3 (44:12):
And I'm just curious your thoughts on on did you
play two ways in high school?
Speaker 2 (44:15):
And yeah? Is this mission impossible for Travis Hunter?
Speaker 8 (44:20):
I think, you know, he is very talented. I think
he's me watching.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
I think he's a really really elite DV based off
the you know, a couple of games I saw this
past year.
Speaker 8 (44:32):
But to do both it seems very mission impossible.
Speaker 5 (44:35):
As you know, I think Dion obviously did a little
bit of it, you know, back in his day, but
I just think the game has changed so much since then.
Dion was clearly light and day the fastest guy out there. Nowadays,
everybody's fast, you know. I think of Jason Kelsey, that
dude's running up on you just as fast as as
a receiver tight end. So I think he's really he
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got a tough challenge ahead. I think eventually he will realize, man,
it's really really hard to do this at a high
level where every week you're.
Speaker 8 (45:08):
Playing a top NFL team.
Speaker 5 (45:10):
It's not like college, where you know, there is teams
on everyone's roster, where it's like this should be a
pretty easy game.
Speaker 8 (45:17):
And that's just not the case in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
And I think he'll I hope he has success with it,
and I hope he just decides it's just too much
for me as opposed to you know, he kind of
struggles with it. But I definitely think he has the
ability to do it, but I more just think the
stamina to do it.
Speaker 8 (45:35):
I don't know if anyone has that to do it
for You played with.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Derreck Henry in college.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Now he's your teammate, have you I'm just curious, have
you ever tackled him?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
What the hell is that?
Speaker 8 (45:44):
Like? The problem is he's so tall.
Speaker 5 (45:48):
A lot of times you go low, his knee will
actually hit your head, and it's it's a lot he's
this stuff got to tackle. He's somehow, I don't know how,
he gets stronger and faster in the fourth quarter while
everyone else seems to be fatiguing, And I think that
gives him a lot of his advantage. But his exception
speed he's so tall. He's getting on the edge faster
(46:10):
than what you think. And if you if you don't
go now, it's it's bad and it's stiff. Arm will
throw you around, but it's rough. It's something at the corner.
You think, I shouldn't be doing this. I don't want
to do this. The linebacker Delauna should be doing this.
But when you do, got to do it, you gotta
you gotta run your feet, try not to close your
eyes and try to get him down.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Yeah, good stuff, Marlin Humphrey, check out is movie nothing
but a winner. End of this month in theater's congrats
on everything man, and good.
Speaker 8 (46:34):
Luck this year. Yes, yes, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
All right, Marlon Humphrey, who's a budding golfer who knew
I had no idea, but I hope Travis Hunter was listening.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Did you, I mean, did you hear did you see
the reaction? Alex? He almost started laughing. He's like, yeah,
that's mischief. It's hard.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
I mean again, like you, you never wanted to deter
someone from reaching a crazy goal that we've never seen before.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
I mean, people have to show. Hey, Otani when he.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
Said he was going to be a power hitter and
An's pitcher. Obviously, it's way different on your body baseball
compared to football, but again, don't knock it until you
until you try it. I think that's kind of most players'
reactions are going to be what Marlin's reaction was, but
again he's very impressed. Producer Golfer like like that was
(47:19):
a good interview, pretty fun
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