August 9, 2025 • 44 mins
Colin is back from vacation discussing the struggles of Caleb Williams in training camp under new head coach Ben Johnson and why you can’t ignore the warning signs
Colin talks to 8-time Pro Bowl QB Philip Rivers about his legendary trash talk as a player and why he always admired Brett Favre
Colin’s not buying the idea Arch Manning will pass on the NFL draft but tells you why these were smart comments to make before the start of the season. He points out the personality traits for franchise quarterbacks over the years and why Shedeur Sanders doesn’t fit the profile
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, it's hour two. It is a Monday.
Matt Hassel back to three time pro bowler. In five minutes.
Diana Russini stops by as well. It is great to
be back from VAK. J McK and I are rolling
and ready to go NFL games. Now they start filtering
in little video quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Where are we going to?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
You know what's interesting to me. I was talking to
my buddy John Middlekoff, who's been on the show before.
Is that the guy lost in all this because we
know that Jaden daniels Is and Bonnix are working. Drake
May looks really, really solid. Caleb, we're gonna have our
eyes on, and JJ McCarthy, we're gonna have our eyes
on in all of this. Michael Pennix is quietly in
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the Deep South in Atlanta and nobody's talking about him.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Where are you on Penix today? If you have a
guests Well, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I'm lining up all my bets when I go to
Vegas the season long stuff. I have the Falcons in
the playoffs. I have them winning the division. I'm gonna
be taking Pennix in fantasy. I think he's got a
lot of value in that offense.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Colin.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
We only saw a few games of him last year.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Remember the Washington game that was nip and tuck until
the end and they ended up losing, But it was like,
I saw some things for Pennix. I think he's gonna
be good. I'm a buyer of the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, no, no, I think I've said this before. I
think he's a bigger, stronger toua left hander, beautiful ball
down fields, bigger arm, bigger athlete can move, but you
don't necessarily want him to because of previous injuries.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Uwa actually has a better coach though, in Mike McDaniel.
You kind of just destroyed McDaniel for like ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Out of bounds and on Warrenton. But nevertheless, if you
give Pennicks an offensive guy like McDaniel.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Oh, oh, look out, I'm not anti Michael McDaniels. I'm
three years into it. I was told it was revolutionary
with all the motion and flashing. They're twenty eight and
twenty three in a division with the Jets in the page.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
He made the playoffs twice.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
He took two out of the playoffs, but two got
hurt and two of kids getting hurt, and then they
make the passa.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Oh no.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
They lost to the Chiefs in Arrowhead in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I mean, geez, with.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
A lot of shame in that one. In like negative
thirty degrees. Our guys are losing fingers in the stands.
So like, I thought you were extremely harsh on McDaniel.
Remember he's a Yale educated Colin.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, so were a lot of our bad presidents.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I mean I did oooh, all right, Colin right, Colin wrong?
On Monday, here we go where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Jerry Jones once again has mangled a contract situation. I
said this a couple of years ago with Jerry, the
Cowboys are starting to feel like the Raiders when Al
Davis aged Al lost his fastball. I think I think
Jerry has lost his fastball and has too much power
in the organization, the old.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Saying all hat no cattle.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Jerry tells us he's a great businessman, but he keeps
getting taken to the cleaners by players and Micah, Now,
what are you gonna do? Trade him? Now, what are
you gonna do? You could have traded him last year
and gotten multiple players that could help you now in
the NFC as it strengthens as a conference. I don't
like where Dallas is headed, and it's all on Jerry.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Well, Jimmy, I don't know if I believe him, but
Jimmy Haslam says the Shador Sanders draft pick, Hey, I
didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
That was all on Andrew Berry.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And to that I would say, why would you draft
when you had Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Why would you draft.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Two more quarterbacks in the third and fifth round.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
But at least Jimmy Haslam is saying the right things publicly,
which is, hey, I didn't have anything to do with
a draft.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Pick where Colin was right. Well, I won't beat on
it too much more.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
But Tyreek Hill said last week that one of the
Dolphins running backs shouldn't be a short yardage tailback. On Sunday,
Mike McDaniels said, yeah, he isn't. We worked on that.
So there appears to be a gap this offseason between
Tyreek and Tua, Tyreek and the team, and Tyreek and
Mike McDaniels. And we've always said a lot more sizzle
(04:37):
than actual state with that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Acquisition where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
JJ McCarthy, according to Kevin Seaffert, respected reporter at ESPN,
accuracy a bit of an issue in the red zone.
Jeremy Fowler, another respected reporter, saying they're having to work
a lot on touch. Everything is a fastball. I don't
know how good JJ McCarthy is, but I never bought
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into the narrative that multiple teams were gonna move up
in the draft to get him. I've heard the opposite
is that there were real concerns that JJ McCarthy had
been led by a great coach, a great defense, a
great run game in college and never really had to
lead inferior talent, which is what happens in the NFL
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if you're a lottery.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Quarterback, where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, I may have to temper my Tennessee Titan predictions.
They just got rid of their first round receiver a
couple of years ago, Treylon Burks, apparently cam Ward. Last
couple of practices four picks. Cam Ward admits we're really
right now. Very mid is what he called his offense
(05:52):
between Tyler Lockett, Calvin Ridley, and Van Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Now no Burks.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
It's arguably the weakest receiving core in the NFL. I
do get two more revisions on my NFL predictions, so
I may have to scale back on the Titans where
Colin was right. Luka dantach Men's health in the best
shape of his career. This is what I've said about Luca.
(06:18):
Defense and being in great shape are all about wanting
to do you want to be a great defender? Do
you want to be in great shape? When did Luca
get in the best shape of his career his first
year as a rookie, when he wanted to impress and
now the Lakers have new owners. This is why I've
said he's a much better version to Carmelo Anthony. I
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don't worry about his game. I think he's gonna have
an unbelievable season. Does he have the want Lebron Kobe
Michael there were great defenders because they wanted to be
great defenders. So he breaks into the NBA. We're like, Wow,
this guy's amazing and increasingly gets in worse shape. Lakers
have new owners, he has an offseason now once again
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he's in unbelievable shape.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
The Indiana Fever are on a heater, all of it
without Caitlin Clark. Gotta be honest, she is a great player,
but Sophie Cunningham's been on fire hitting threes yesterday. They're
in a five game winning streak with no Caitlin Clark. So,
in fact, Kaylin this year, between injuries and struggling, has
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not been Caitlin Clark, and Indiana still has the fifth
best record in the league.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Where Colin was right. What do you know?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
The Celtics minority owner is buying the Connecticut Sun for
three hundred and twenty five million dollars.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I had said this two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yes, merch up one thousand percent TV ratings, attendance, this
league and it's got issues like it's officiating, like it's
inability to handle Caitlin Clark. Well, but is it a
bye as a stock?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I don't care about the last twenty five years Merge
TV ratings attendance all up at least one hundred percent.
It's absolutely a bye as a sports franchise. I felt
this way five years ago about the MLS. I feel
that now, and so do one of the Boston Celtics
(08:24):
minority owners.
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Yeah, you blobber li lame in me.
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Speaker 1 (09:39):
Well, I've been thinking about this interview last couple of days.
They told me I get Philip Rivers, who was so
animated as a player first round picked by the Giants,
traded for Eli Manning on draft day and they both
end up having absolutely remarkable careers. He is now the
football coach and has been for several years in Alabama's
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Saint Michael Katholick. His son now is the quarterback and
a good one. Philip Rivers is now joining US Live today.
You know, uh, I gotta tell the audience.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I don't. I've never seen your son play.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
But his name is Gunner Rivers, and I'm telling you
right now, that's a franchise quarterback name. I would draft
him sight unseen on that, just on the name. Now,
you were a trash talker and you had a different delivery.
Does he have your kind of sight arm delivery? Is
he a little trash talker?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Does he?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Does he have some of the Philip Rivers classic traits?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Hey, Colin, how's it going? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (10:38):
No, he uh, he definitely. Uh, he definitely has some
of the same traits.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
He's a little more traditional throwing the football than than
I than I was, but a lot of people see
him throw and go, dang, you throw just like your dad.
So he has a little bit of that. I guess
it's just genetic.
Speaker 8 (10:55):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
And then he's a little more reserved than I am.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
He has the fire and passion for the game, but
I think he's got his mom's calmness, which which will
probably serve him well.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I think everybody, very few people had your intensity on
the field.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You know what's amazing.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You were a trash talker, but players, even opponents loved you.
Did you think your intensity, you're obviously talented. Did you
think your passion and intensity was your best trait?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
It was.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
It was probably one of them. And I think, you know,
I had to, I had to, I had to a
little bit toe the line. I probably crossed the line
a few times.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
I think there's a there's a there's a you know,
a line that you don't want to cross to where
you maybe you're not helping yourself or your team.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
So I'm sure that I didn't always keep that in check.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
But I do think that the passion in the fire
and the intensity was genuine. I don't think I know
it was genuine, And I do think it was felt
by our teammates and and and some regard helped, you know,
fuel kind of our personality and and and our you know,
resiliency and how we how we went about the game.
And then you mentioned our opponents, and I hope you
know you gained You obviously gained respect of your opponent
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over doing it for a long period of time. So
maybe not early on, but I think as time grew,
you gained that respect and they realize, man, this dude
loves to play football, and that's really all it was
as a guy playing football in the backyard, and I
just never let that leave me, although we were playing,
you know, in front of you know, a million people
there on a Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You know, the you told me one time, And I've
used this whenever I give a speech, I always say,
the great Philip Rivers told me he liked the process
of building the game plan as much as the game.
And can you instill that in your son or a
young quarterback? Or do you think that was just your
dad was a football coach. Do you think that's God
given an innate that you loved practice? Can you tee
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if a guy some of these quarterbacks I think liked
the game, I'm not sure they loved practice. Can you
teach that? Or did you feel that was just in
you from day one? Well?
Speaker 5 (12:56):
I do think that there was a a some of
that that was just in me. But I think you
gotta you better grow to to uh to love it,
to love the process, uh, especially playing this position.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
You know, if you want to be.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Great, and and you know, and and and maybe I
would didn't get to get the great, but I know
I was pretty dang good for a long time. And
I don't think you can get there if you just
think you're going to, you know, show up and go
out there and play for three and a half hours
on a Sunday afternoon, and so the you know, the
the process of every day and the chance to be
on the grass with your buddies practicing football, uh, you know,
and sitting in a meeting room and figuring out you know,
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uh spags his blitz patterns and Rex s Rins blitz
patterns and all these and like figuring out how we're
going to get this thing picked up to throw a
touchdown to Antonio Gates. I mean, that's that's that's what
that's a blast or even a third down conversion versuszimmers,
you know, a double mug scheme. I mean, those things
were so fun to work on all week, and then
when he came to in the game, you know, there
were some some of the most gratifying plays on a
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Sunday afternoon were the ones the fans didn't even realize.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
But but it was the but the behind the.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Scenes preparations, you know, and it's those those Saturday morning
walk through the bush rise all those things that lead
up to the game.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I certainly love to play.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
I loved the games and running out of the tunnel
and all those things that I used to ask my
mom and dad, Hey, introduce me. You know, I'm coming
out and we're playing soever, you know, whoever, and they
would introduce me and I'd come running out down the hall,
you know, getting introduced. So I love that part, I'll
be clear on that. But it was the process that
made that part so special and and so. But I
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just don't know how you play quarterback and don't aren't
all in on the process if you're trying to be
you know, trying to be you know, one of the best.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
You know, it's I have said this one of the things.
I do think you can become more accurate with coaching.
I think your footwork can improve with coaching. But there
is one thing that I just think is innate. Certain
quarterbacks Ma homes. You could see this instantly. Patrick can
see the field. He just sees the field. You did,
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Breeze did? Brady obviously did. And then I'll watch some
young guy and I'm like, I don't know if they
I don't know if they can see it like there
and I know there's a film study. Did you get
did you always have that because you were a good
high school college coach the ability to and I've heard
this set about you, and I've heard this set about
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Peyton and Brady that when a play was over, you
could look at the right side of the field and
yet you knew what was going on and could see
the left side of the field without staring at it.
The great quarterbacks have this innate ability. They just there's
a rhythm to the secondary. And I guess my question is,
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are there can you teach that you had an innate
feel for the position? Are there some things, Philip that
aren't teachable?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, I mean I think that, I think yes.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
I mean I think there's certain things that are and
talents that so many guys have and so many different
positions that are God given ability. And you can, like
you said, I agree hundred percent. You know, we got
to clean up some footwork, We got to clean up
some fundamentals. We can clean up how you're reading this,
or maybe your eyes are just in the wrong place,
But there are some things you know, being able to
have to be accurate.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
You can work on accuracy.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Some people just they can throw all day long and
they just aren't very accurate. And you know, accuracy, anticipation,
and to be able to see it all and process
it fast. Definitely you can improve it, but you're probably
in a window. You know, someone that can't do that.
You can't get them to an elite level. Someone that's
pretty dang good at it. Maybe you can get them
to really good at it, but you can't. I don't
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think you can. There's there's certain parts of playing the
position that you can't make vast improvements. And some guys
like you mentioned Mahomes, and you know, we could go
on and on of talking about guys there are at
a certain level already that they are able to process
and do those things coached or not coached, and then
now you throw in Andy Reid and some of the
other coaches he's had and now and the experience that
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he's gained, and then you can take him to an
even even higher level. But he was already, you know,
pretty a lead at it.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
So I do agree. I do agree with you on
those things.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
And you know, it's funny because and everybody has their process.
You know, me and Drew were teammates. We got to
connect this weekend. It was great to see Drew and
we had such a different uh uh process in terms
of our daily routine. But yet they were both they
both worked and and there's some similarities. But I say
that not to mention this about Drew, but just we
all have our different routines. But uh, I used to
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I wasn't big looking at the iPad off the you know,
coming off the field. Now I would go look at
it to see or see the pictures to confirm maybe
or dang, maybe they fooled me. I need to go
see it. But a lot of times, you know, it
was kind of a running joke. I'd say, I saw
it live, Guys, I just saw it live, and I
need to come back over here and look at it again.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Crap.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I know I should have gone the other way, you know,
so and again.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
And that was in an arrogant way. It was just
I saw live, you know. And so certainly I use
those tools as needed over there. But yeah, there is
definitely some of that. And and I say it in
humility because shoot, I threw it to the other team.
They shoot your times or many times. So I certainly
take all right decisions. But I feel like I did
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have that ability to see it and process it quickly
and throw with anticipation and be accurate.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
So I have this. I wrote about this in my
first book.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I've had this theory forever that most of the great
quarterbacks at one point in North Carolina State had three
starting quarterbacks in the NFL, and COWL had two or three,
and USC and Ohio State had none. That there's an
argument to be made that when you play at a
North Carolina State or a COW or a Miami of
Ohio or a Purdue, that's real life in the NFL.
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You're getting hit. The windows are small. These USC guys
are throwing to wide, open, wide receivers. You're not doing
that at Duke. You're not doing that at NC State.
That I think it was an advantage for you to
go to NC State instead of an Ohio State because
the NFL truth is disc comfort. Nobody's that open. You
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don't get great protection. You're getting hit constantly. I used
to joke, I remember Matt Lioner at USC one year,
he got sacked eleven times. He may have just fallen
down half of those he birred got touched. That when
I was I'll give you an example. JJ McCarthy always
played with the lead Michigan a perfect offensive line. I
worry about JJ three years with hardball or two years
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with hardball, he.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Burley got touched.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Do you think there's an advantage getting beat up a
little bit in college like Mahomes or Josh Allen then
going to the NFL.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
I mean when you yeah, I'm sold based on that
that minute of you saying that. I never thought of
it that way. And I certainly didn't ever feel like
I had inferior teammates those years in NC State.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
But there's a.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Combination of that of yeah, maybe, and even more so
maybe now you don't have the you know, you're all
the comparisons you made make perfect sense. But we felt
like it State we were going to stink and win
them all. You know, we thought we were going to
win them all. So I say that with all due
respect to the certain teammates I had, because I had
many teammates. You mentioned the quarterbacks, you know behind me,
the great receiveratry Hole, many teammates of mine that had
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the long careers in the NFL. But yes, and I
think too, you get to play, you play more games.
You know, I played in fifty one college football games,
so I definitely felt like even more equipped than had
you go to a place and you only play two years,
you play twenty games, and you played from the lead,
and you hand it off and you.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Throw it eighteen times. I threw a hundred.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
I threw one hundred passes in my first two games
in he stayed with Norm Chowt you know so but
then but you're right though, you get the NFL. And
I was in my first few, first week or two
of mini camp and uh and and we had some
play on I don't remember, and I didn't throw the ball.
I got to the check down, didn't throw the deep
cross or deep over and and Cam Cameron said why
didn't you throw it? And I said he's not open?
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And he said he's wide open. And I was like, dang, okay,
Like that's there's the windows and the separation. So those things,
those things are all true that you say. Now you're
taking Matt Lioner to J. J.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
A guy that can come from those you know, historic
programs and they can still have unbelievable NFL career would
be great.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
So it's not like you can't that way.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
But is there something to be said for the you know,
the Texas Texas and the Wyomings and NC states of
the world.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Maybe heck yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
And you know, I definitely think there's something to game
experience and playing and playing. There's no similar there's nothing,
no substitute for playing.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
You have to play.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, So Antonio Gates makes the Hall of Fame. Speaking
of college never played a college football snap take me
to it may have been a practice. When was the
first moment You're at practice or somewhere with.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Him and you went, who's that guy? Like you knew?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
How long did it take for you to identify whoa
People can't guard him. He's too big for linebacker, he's
too he's too strong for safeties.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
How long did it take?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Well?
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Not long. I mean I was in my rookie year
and I had a front row seat my first two years,
you know, with Drew and and and and and Gates
that would have been his you know, he was a
rookie the year before me, and so I got to
see it for I got to see it from the
sideline his you know, those first two years, and he
was one of those guys that you know, we had
a gate trul we had a gate troul, we had
we had the we had the progression for the play
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and based off the coverage, and then we said, okay,
and this one is Gates rule, and and it was
which meant, hey, if he's singled up, I don't care
if the leverage is good for him, He's gonna beat
them anyway.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
And it was just that.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Over wrote that, that over you know, uh, the progression
was then done.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
It was overridden by the Gates rule.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
But he, uh, he had a unique ability to He
was fast and big, but he had a unique ability
to understand body position and getting hands off and attack
and attacking leverage and doing those things. And and I
you know, he was always considered this basketball guy, basketball guy,
basketball guy. But I think what he did was he
was very humble in saying, crap, I want to be
a football guy, and I gotta learn all this.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
What is all these coverages? And they're bracketing me, and
where's the help?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
And and once he learned that the it was, then
it was forget about it. And and that's why he
had that stretch, you know, seven or eight nine year stretch.
Obviously he played longer than that, and his whole career
was awesome, but he had that stretch where he was arguably,
you know, just uncoverable.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
So finally your son, Gunner Rivers is and you could
look him up. He's gonna be one of those top
quarterbacks on all those recruiting things. So you're gonna start
hearing about him. Do you ever watch him and think, Man,
he does have a little better than Dad did at
his age? Is there is there anything you're just thinking? Man,
may he maybe have a little better fastball than Dad?
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Or he may he may move a little better than dad.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Oh yeah, that happens. That happens more than you'd think.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I think.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I think too.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
The game has just changed so much. You know, you
and I talked a little bit off air briefly. You know,
twenty five years ago it was just different. The game
is just different than what it is now. There wasn't
seven on sevens. And you know, we didn't grow up
playing flag football. I mean me and Gunner and you know, uh,
we we're playing flag football, uh, playing against teams from
Hawaii and Idaho and Arizona and.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
All this when we're in California when he was ten
years old.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
You know, so you're getting you're getting to practice that
anticipation and accurate accuracy as a ten year old, and
so he's just he's just thrown the football in a
competitive environment a whole lot more because of the day
and age of football that we're in.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
And uh, you know, it's it's it's been fun.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
It's fun to it's fun to coach him and his
teammates and be at this, be at the school and
and coach these guys up and you know, and and again,
remember the mission is, it's more than about the game.
I remind these guys. It's going to end for you
at some point. Most of our guys, it's gonna end
when they graduate high school. And hopefully, you know, Gunner
and he does have some teammates that can advance and
play college football. But I remind them that even if
you get to play for seventeen years, it does stop,
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and the and the.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Clock will end.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
So it's got to be more than just the ex'es
and o's. You got to learn those those life lessons
that you get from this great sport. And uh, I'm
hopeful that I can pass some of that down to
these guys and help them be better men for having
been in the program.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Well, you're a class guy. One of my favorite players
seventeen years. I was looking at some of your stats.
Six most four hundred and twenty one career passing touchdowns,
the sixth most in NFL history. Two hundred and forty
consecutive starts in the regular season. That is a lot
of starts.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Was there ever?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Did you ever have a game day when you just
felt like crud and started?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Like?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Did you ever have? I mean, you obviously were not
in perfect condition. Did you ever not know an hour
before a game if you were going to start?
Speaker 5 (25:39):
No, no, I know, but yes, many games where it
felt like crud would be an understatement. But thankfully, I
mean again, this isn't me saying, wow, look how tough
I was.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I really was. I had a lot of.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
I was blessed with health and the ability to go
out there every Sunday. I'll just leave it at that.
But there were certain sundays that weren't real fun. Physically,
worked real fun during the week to get there. But again,
a lot of great guys up front fight like crazy
to keep me clean, and then you just have some
injuries you have and you deal with them, and you
there was the one, the one record that was one
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of my favorite growing up. You know, I mentioned the
fifty one starts in the row a n Cy State,
which at a time, at that time was a record.
I think it's been broken, and now these guys playing
fourteen fifteen games a year. But one of my favorite
records was Brett Farres Start Street and I remember watching
that going, man, he's played how many year, rold Man,
he's going to get to three hundred, And I remember
just saying again, this is just as a competitor, I'm
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going I'm going to chase.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Brett Far's record. I'm gonna get there.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
And I didn't play those first two years, as I
said behind Drew, and I realized ultimately I couldn't get there,
but by golly, I was going to find a way.
He'd be second, you know, and suit up and be
out there if I could every week for our team.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
And I do think there's a you know.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
The best ability, as Chuck Amato told us, the best
abilities dependability, and that was one thing I was gonna
be I was gonna be out there.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I was gonna be outre every week. I was gonna
be outre.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Every week and give him all and shoot, I know
we fell short plenty of times, but they knew that
you counted seventeen.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Get them everything they had for those turning forty in
a row.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well, my favorite interview in a long time Philip Absolute
pleasure Saint Michael Catholic High School in Alabama. He took
over a program that didn't really exist. They just won
their first playoff game last year. Congratulations to you and
your program and they are lucky to have you as
a coach.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Thanks man, Thanks Golling enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Philip rivers, great stories. Just a impressive guy like that.
There's a guy like there's a guy that. He had
some offensive lines that were a bit dubious. He took
a few hits in his day and was always there.
Two hundred and forty consecutive starts in the regular season.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
That is a ton. We take a break. Heard line
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Speaker 2 (28:27):
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great day. We are live and it is the herd.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Wherever here in August you are listening or watching, there's
a lot of choices. Thanks for making us part of
your day. Hey, we get Greg cosel. We might as
well start it now. Greg co sell stuff by in
one hour from today. We put them off about twenty
twenty two straight weeks during the football season, early and late,
(29:01):
and Greg Coso will join us in a one hour.
It's one of my favorite fifteen minute segments every football season.
We do it on Thursdays. J Mac, you used to
be in a business kind of a blogg a sphere
and most of the ninety nine percent of those things
did not do well. And I remember when I spotted
(29:21):
your site. I had told friends, I said, I like
the McIntyre site because you can tell he's like he
can break stories. He's like serious, he's not doing silly stuff,
Like there's like serious stories here.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
It's sourced And I want to start.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
My show talking about that because it was one of
the things I noticed before we had even met a blog.
A sphere can be just nonsense and whimsical, and yours wasn't.
You were breaking stories. And that's kind of a theme
today for quarterback. So I saw this headline from Archie
man and he says arch will not turn pro next season.
(30:03):
He'll be at Texas for the next to two years.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, that's what you have to say.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
If he beats Ohio State in Columbus, wins the Heisman
or doesn't and gets into the national championship game, it
would be really bad business to stay in college. And
I know almost every Manning pretty well. They're good at business,
and they say the right thing when they have to
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college sports for truly gifted athletes, like a Cooper Flag.
It's like that first really cool apartment you live in
when you make a little money and you're like, I'm
never leaving this place, and then eventually you get a
real job with a VP and the title and you
don't want to share walls or the pool, and you
(30:51):
forget about it really quickly. Arch Manning made six point
five million last year at Texas nil. Reportedly, cam Ward
made forty eight point seven guaranteed number one pick? Urge
can I can I interest you in a.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Forty two million dollar loan? Hook?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
What?
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
This is the classic Mannings saying the right thing and
a lot of times in society. I mean, I think
the term is true, but I get tired of it.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Woke. Well, you're just.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Not being honest, you know, when you're really important sometimes jd.
Vance should not talk about ever being a president. Keep
it to yourself, Lebron Mannings, Mahomes, Brady. I've seen Mahomes
step to the microphone and just say the right thing,
(31:41):
not necessarily the most honest, authentic thing. That's what happens.
And the Manning family is American Football royalty. So this
is exactly what you say. We Cooper Flag said it. Oh,
Duke and Denny talked to Nike, and then you're the
number one pick and here's fifty six large.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I love Duke so much.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I'll go visit when they play Caroline if I have time.
Arch Manning, if he's as good as I think he is,
he's got to go pro. I know Cooper, I know Eli,
I know Peyton, I know Archie, and I don't know Arch.
But Sark talking about Arch sounds a lot like Cooper
(32:25):
and Eli and Peyton Manning.
Speaker 8 (32:29):
His work ethic is incredible, whether it's you know, studying tape,
studying film, studying the playbook, working at his craft, you know,
in the weight room like that that that is, whether
it's innate in him or uh it was you know,
handed down from his uncles whatever, whatever it was, his
work ethic is really pretty incredible. And and that lends
(32:53):
itself to the teammate that he is too, And.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
That's an interesting way to describe him. Jump into my
next segment. Now, I will tell you ninety percent of
you will disagree with this take. And I've been doing
this for twenty five years. I believe in it strongly
and always have. So did you notice when Sark talked
about Arch and oh, by the way, Eli Manning could be,
(33:19):
you know, funny on Saturday Night Live. But if you
described Peyton Manning you would say intense. Bill Pollion once
said he was a teeth clencher. If you're describing Tiger Woods,
you'd be like obsessed, intimidating, Michael Jordan, Kobe, Bryant Brady.
(33:41):
It's not a coincidence that the greatest athletes of my
life are borderline crazy, obsessed, serious people. And I am
hoping when Shadur Sanders plays tomorrow night, I can't wait
to walk.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I'm rooting for them.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I mean, I don't like the speeding tickets, but they
lead me to my topic today. It is totally unfair
that at twenty three years old, as an NFL quarterback,
you are held to a totally different standard, not only
from every twenty three year old you know, but from
every twenty three year old professional athlete. You have to
(34:24):
be twenty three going on forty three, not even thirty three,
cause some of you are still doing shooters at the
you know, Captain Van Dangoes on a Friday night, right like,
I know where you're out.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
You're doing stuff that's really not inappropriate.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
You hope your boss doesn't walk in right right at
thirty three, at forty three, hopeful that you have kids,
you're a grown up, you're a vice president. You're not
doing it quarterback in the NFL. It's almost unfair. Jalen
Hurts is twenty seven, he acts forty seven. I've never
seen a quarterback that good at the PODIU him ever,
(35:01):
he is the best quarterback I've ever seen at the podium.
He surpasses the second best I've ever seen, Dak Prescott.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
No jokes.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
They're like accountants should bring a briefcase. And this is
something that's always bothered me about Shaduer.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
And Miles.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Garrett was asked to describe his personality here it is.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I mean, it's funny, optimistic, playhearted. Who's funny?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Jamis Winston was funny, Drew Lock was lighthearted. Cam Newton
is the best college football player I have ever seen.
He was the size of a defensive end, but he
was playful. Drew Lock remember that piece of video. That's
all I needed to see. I know all your frat bros,
(35:59):
they loved it.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I get it. The cigarette bros absolutely love that. I
get it.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
It's not what I want. Dak Prescott his rookie year.
It may have been preseason or it was early in
the season, did something and you guys made fun of it.
But there was a piece of garbage on the field
behind the cowboy bench. He's in the middle of a game,
and he walked by it and turned around, grabbed it
and put it in the garbage. And I'm like, oh,
(36:26):
that's grown up. He understands. It's like when you go
to a funeral, don't smile and don't laugh. You have
to be on. Dak Prescott understands. I'm the cowboy quarterback.
I am always on. Years ago in the Patriots Building,
they did a little test. This is true story. They
would randomly put stuff on the floor to see if
(36:46):
people picked it up when they interviewed them. To this day,
when I walked down the halls of Fox, just in
case my bosses are watching, I always stop and pick up.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
A piece of garbage. It matters, and it's unfair.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I don't want my quarterbacks to be, as Miles Garrett said,
fun lighthearted. I'm not interested in lighthearted at all. Jameis
Winston the best thing he's ever done. Worked for Fox.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
It was funny. He also threw thirty picks a year.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
It's not fair, but the Harbaughs, Nick Saban Sean Payton
are almost offensively intense. I mean there are times Nick
Saban's so intense it's intimidating. And yet Nick Saban is
five foot six. Did you know that he plays really big?
Sean Payton, I'm much taller than he is. He feels
(37:39):
bigger than I do. I don't want my quarterbacks to
be fun, lighthearted.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
In the draft room.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
But leggendary it was also fun in that car doing
one to four in a forty five.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I'm sorry, but it matters. I like the traits of
Shador Sanders. I like his size. I think he's more
mobile than people say.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I think he throws a beautiful football off platform er
on it. I think he's a much better pro prospect
than Dylan Gabriel. Obviously many of you disagree. But one
of the things that's always bothered me, he's kind of silly.
I don't want silly. I'm not interested in silly. There's
so many things pedigree, size, accuracy, I like about him,
(38:22):
but it's just one of those things. It is just
there was am I'll give you another example. I don't
love brock Purdy, but there was a moment with brock Purdy.
He was at a concert about a year ago with
George Kittle. George Kittle is shot gun and beers and oh,
by the way, brock Purdy, just like a funeral, don't laugh,
(38:42):
you're always on. Brock Purdy carried the beers in. He
wouldn't bite. He wouldn't bite. He didn't want that meme nothing.
Let the crazy tied end to it. I'm not biting.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
He is going, yeah, George, you keep doing it. He
wouldn't do it. He didn't want that anywhere.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Because if you do that and people see it, and
you go on a four game losing streak, the GM
sees it. And by the way, I will get three
to four texts today from GMS and they'll be like,
you're absolutely right. And every time I do that stuff
I get texts. Is that most twenty three year olds
are listening saying that's ridiculous. It is in ninety eight
(39:26):
percent of the work environments in the country. But one
of the things that impressed me about Dak and Jalen Hurts.
It's not how they throw from the pocket. I've said
this about Tua. Tua's grown up Tyreek Hill isn't. Hurts
is unbelievable. When people say Lamar Jackson he gets tight
in the playoffs. Yeah, damn righty does because he cares
(39:48):
so much. Lamar Jackson gets furious at Lamar Jackson. It's
one of my favorite traits. And I do think he
gets tight in the playoffs, and I do think Peyton
Manning did for years. If the biggest fault is the
dude is really intense. Sign me up for that, sign
me up for Lamar Jackson and early Peyton Manning. But
(40:12):
there's that Drew Locke video keeping a real man. I
got the vibes and y'all loved it, and I couldn't
stand it. And it was only ten seconds, and I'm like, dude,
do that at home. You're on you're smiling at a funeral.
You're trying to be the face of a franchise.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I wouldn't like my GM doing it. I wouldn't like
my head coach doing it. Remember that Chaduur Flacco thing.
There was a little piece of video with Shadur and
Flacco here in camp. And it's not the end of
the world. Nobody's saying it is. As I always say,
everything's something, nothing's everything. But remember that little piece of video.
Do we have the sound up on that when Flacco
and Chaduur and Schadeur's asking him about dancing?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Do we have that you ever did?
Speaker 3 (40:55):
That?
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Was that?
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Definitely not?
Speaker 5 (41:00):
I don't love if I've ever heard a public dance
movie in my life.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Joe Flacco's been to a Super Bowl and won a
Super Bowl, and if I recall he was the MVP
of the Super Bowl, it matters at least to me.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
All Right, the hate mail will be flying in and keep.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
It coming because it is a thing. It really is
a thing, and it just is one of those things.
I think about it all the time, and there are
different times in life. By the way, I've joked about
this for years. Whenever I'm hiring a young person like
twenty or thirty, I don't want somebody that loves golf.
Now by the time you get gray hair and you're old,
(41:42):
I don't care old guys. I'm really into golf. The
last three years, the gray er my hair gets. But
I'm out of that space now. But when you're twenty
and thirty and you're not making much and I need
you to work fifty five to sixty hours a week,
I'm not working that much anymore. I got a bigger
staff in it. But when I used to be in
this business, I was looking for young people. I didn't
mind what your hobbies were. I didn't want golfers. I
(42:04):
didn't want golfers because golf has an addictive quality. I'm
going through that now. Over the last three years once
the number six. That's different than two to three on
the name on the number. And so I will say this,
The brock Pretty thing really struck me. I was like,
you can say what you and I've never been a
huge brock Pretty guy. But one of the things Sam
(42:25):
Darnold said about him, like one of the reasons that
Kyle Shanahan was so impressed with him is his maturity.
They were like, he's just not your typical twenty four
year old and maybe that's unfair, but it's really impressive.
Part of what NFL teams do. They have these conversations,
(42:46):
Can we hand the keys of our franchise to this
young guy? That is a conversation networks have that I've
worked at. Can we give this person their own show?
It's his show, it's his staff. We can't babysit him.
We're not there every day. Can you give the keys
to the franchise? And you watch brock perty and like
he knew, come on, George a couple more. He wouldn't bite.
(43:09):
He would not bite j Mark.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
When you get.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Your show someday that Marquis You're gonna have to settle
down because you are a wild child on the beach
of a Manhattan beach.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
From what I hear, so basically this week you are
against backwards visors and you are against shotgutting beers on
stage at a concert. Okay, you're basically captain on fund.
You know you've heard of the fun uncle, the funkal.
You're like the opposite of that. You are unfun Colin.
Oh my gosh, golf really no, So what about basketball?
Speaker 2 (43:42):
You're good with me and the men's leagues. I've got
a big playoff game to get your cardio in. Get
your cardio in.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Hi, everybody, I understand that I always had a thing
with golf. When your hair gets gray, go for it
before that. I don't want to hear your golf that
they did plan on seven courses.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
That's just me. Everybody's got a different vine.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, it's hour two. It is a Monday.
Matt Hassel back to three time pro bowler. In five minutes.
Diana Russini stops by as well. It is great to
be back from VAK. J McK and I are rolling
and ready to go NFL games. Now they start filtering
in little video quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Where are we going to?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
You know what's interesting to me. I was talking to
my buddy John Middlekoff, who's been on the show before.
Is that the guy lost in all this because we
know that Jaden daniels Is and Bonnix are working. Drake
May looks really, really solid. Caleb, we're gonna have our
eyes on, and JJ McCarthy, we're gonna have our eyes
on in all of this. Michael Pennix is quietly in
(01:10):
the Deep South in Atlanta and nobody's talking about him.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Where are you on Penix today? If you have a
guests Well, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I'm lining up all my bets when I go to
Vegas the season long stuff. I have the Falcons in
the playoffs. I have them winning the division. I'm gonna
be taking Pennix in fantasy. I think he's got a
lot of value in that offense.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Colin.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
We only saw a few games of him last year.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Remember the Washington game that was nip and tuck until
the end and they ended up losing, But it was like,
I saw some things for Pennix. I think he's gonna
be good. I'm a buyer of the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, no, no, I think I've said this before. I
think he's a bigger, stronger toua left hander, beautiful ball
down fields, bigger arm, bigger athlete can move, but you
don't necessarily want him to because of previous injuries.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Uwa actually has a better coach though, in Mike McDaniel.
You kind of just destroyed McDaniel for like ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Out of bounds and on Warrenton. But nevertheless, if you
give Pennicks an offensive guy like McDaniel.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Oh, oh, look out, I'm not anti Michael McDaniels. I'm
three years into it. I was told it was revolutionary
with all the motion and flashing. They're twenty eight and
twenty three in a division with the Jets in the page.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
He made the playoffs twice.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
He took two out of the playoffs, but two got
hurt and two of kids getting hurt, and then they
make the passa.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Oh no.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
They lost to the Chiefs in Arrowhead in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I mean, geez, with.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
A lot of shame in that one. In like negative
thirty degrees. Our guys are losing fingers in the stands.
So like, I thought you were extremely harsh on McDaniel.
Remember he's a Yale educated Colin.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, so were a lot of our bad presidents.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I mean I did oooh, all right, Colin right, Colin wrong?
On Monday, here we go where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Jerry Jones once again has mangled a contract situation. I
said this a couple of years ago with Jerry, the
Cowboys are starting to feel like the Raiders when Al
Davis aged Al lost his fastball. I think I think
Jerry has lost his fastball and has too much power
in the organization, the old.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Saying all hat no cattle.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Jerry tells us he's a great businessman, but he keeps
getting taken to the cleaners by players and Micah, Now,
what are you gonna do? Trade him? Now, what are
you gonna do? You could have traded him last year
and gotten multiple players that could help you now in
the NFC as it strengthens as a conference. I don't
like where Dallas is headed, and it's all on Jerry.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Well, Jimmy, I don't know if I believe him, but
Jimmy Haslam says the Shador Sanders draft pick, Hey, I
didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
That was all on Andrew Berry.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And to that I would say, why would you draft
when you had Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Why would you draft.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Two more quarterbacks in the third and fifth round.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
But at least Jimmy Haslam is saying the right things publicly,
which is, hey, I didn't have anything to do with
a draft.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Pick where Colin was right. Well, I won't beat on
it too much more.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
But Tyreek Hill said last week that one of the
Dolphins running backs shouldn't be a short yardage tailback. On Sunday,
Mike McDaniels said, yeah, he isn't. We worked on that.
So there appears to be a gap this offseason between
Tyreek and Tua, Tyreek and the team, and Tyreek and
Mike McDaniels. And we've always said a lot more sizzle
(04:37):
than actual state with that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Acquisition where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
JJ McCarthy, according to Kevin Seaffert, respected reporter at ESPN,
accuracy a bit of an issue in the red zone.
Jeremy Fowler, another respected reporter, saying they're having to work
a lot on touch. Everything is a fastball. I don't
know how good JJ McCarthy is, but I never bought
(05:04):
into the narrative that multiple teams were gonna move up
in the draft to get him. I've heard the opposite
is that there were real concerns that JJ McCarthy had
been led by a great coach, a great defense, a
great run game in college and never really had to
lead inferior talent, which is what happens in the NFL
(05:25):
if you're a lottery.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Quarterback, where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, I may have to temper my Tennessee Titan predictions.
They just got rid of their first round receiver a
couple of years ago, Treylon Burks, apparently cam Ward. Last
couple of practices four picks. Cam Ward admits we're really
right now. Very mid is what he called his offense
(05:52):
between Tyler Lockett, Calvin Ridley, and Van Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Now no Burks.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
It's arguably the weakest receiving core in the NFL. I
do get two more revisions on my NFL predictions, so
I may have to scale back on the Titans where
Colin was right. Luka dantach Men's health in the best
shape of his career. This is what I've said about Luca.
(06:18):
Defense and being in great shape are all about wanting
to do you want to be a great defender? Do
you want to be in great shape? When did Luca
get in the best shape of his career his first
year as a rookie, when he wanted to impress and
now the Lakers have new owners. This is why I've
said he's a much better version to Carmelo Anthony. I
(06:40):
don't worry about his game. I think he's gonna have
an unbelievable season. Does he have the want Lebron Kobe
Michael there were great defenders because they wanted to be
great defenders. So he breaks into the NBA. We're like, Wow,
this guy's amazing and increasingly gets in worse shape. Lakers
have new owners, he has an offseason now once again
(07:01):
he's in unbelievable shape.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
The Indiana Fever are on a heater, all of it
without Caitlin Clark. Gotta be honest, she is a great player,
but Sophie Cunningham's been on fire hitting threes yesterday. They're
in a five game winning streak with no Caitlin Clark. So,
in fact, Kaylin this year, between injuries and struggling, has
(07:29):
not been Caitlin Clark, and Indiana still has the fifth
best record in the league.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Where Colin was right. What do you know?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
The Celtics minority owner is buying the Connecticut Sun for
three hundred and twenty five million dollars.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I had said this two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yes, merch up one thousand percent TV ratings, attendance, this
league and it's got issues like it's officiating, like it's
inability to handle Caitlin Clark. Well, but is it a
bye as a stock?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I don't care about the last twenty five years Merge
TV ratings attendance all up at least one hundred percent.
It's absolutely a bye as a sports franchise. I felt
this way five years ago about the MLS. I feel
that now, and so do one of the Boston Celtics
(08:24):
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Speaker 1 (09:39):
Well, I've been thinking about this interview last couple of days.
They told me I get Philip Rivers, who was so
animated as a player first round picked by the Giants,
traded for Eli Manning on draft day and they both
end up having absolutely remarkable careers. He is now the
football coach and has been for several years in Alabama's
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Saint Michael Katholick. His son now is the quarterback and
a good one. Philip Rivers is now joining US Live today.
You know, uh, I gotta tell the audience.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I don't. I've never seen your son play.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
But his name is Gunner Rivers, and I'm telling you
right now, that's a franchise quarterback name. I would draft
him sight unseen on that, just on the name. Now,
you were a trash talker and you had a different delivery.
Does he have your kind of sight arm delivery? Is
he a little trash talker?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Does he?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Does he have some of the Philip Rivers classic traits?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Hey, Colin, how's it going? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (10:38):
No, he uh, he definitely. Uh, he definitely has some
of the same traits.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
He's a little more traditional throwing the football than than
I than I was, but a lot of people see
him throw and go, dang, you throw just like your dad.
So he has a little bit of that. I guess
it's just genetic.
Speaker 8 (10:55):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
And then he's a little more reserved than I am.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
He has the fire and passion for the game, but
I think he's got his mom's calmness, which which will
probably serve him well.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I think everybody, very few people had your intensity on
the field.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You know what's amazing.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You were a trash talker, but players, even opponents loved you.
Did you think your intensity, you're obviously talented. Did you
think your passion and intensity was your best trait?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
It was.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
It was probably one of them. And I think, you know,
I had to, I had to, I had to a
little bit toe the line. I probably crossed the line
a few times.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
I think there's a there's a there's a you know,
a line that you don't want to cross to where
you maybe you're not helping yourself or your team.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
So I'm sure that I didn't always keep that in check.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
But I do think that the passion in the fire
and the intensity was genuine. I don't think I know
it was genuine, And I do think it was felt
by our teammates and and and some regard helped, you know,
fuel kind of our personality and and and our you know,
resiliency and how we how we went about the game.
And then you mentioned our opponents, and I hope you
know you gained You obviously gained respect of your opponent
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over doing it for a long period of time. So
maybe not early on, but I think as time grew,
you gained that respect and they realize, man, this dude
loves to play football, and that's really all it was
as a guy playing football in the backyard, and I
just never let that leave me, although we were playing,
you know, in front of you know, a million people
there on a Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You know, the you told me one time, And I've
used this whenever I give a speech, I always say,
the great Philip Rivers told me he liked the process
of building the game plan as much as the game.
And can you instill that in your son or a
young quarterback? Or do you think that was just your
dad was a football coach. Do you think that's God
given an innate that you loved practice? Can you tee
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if a guy some of these quarterbacks I think liked
the game, I'm not sure they loved practice. Can you
teach that? Or did you feel that was just in
you from day one? Well?
Speaker 5 (12:56):
I do think that there was a a some of
that that was just in me. But I think you
gotta you better grow to to uh to love it,
to love the process, uh, especially playing this position.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
You know, if you want to be.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Great, and and you know, and and and maybe I
would didn't get to get the great, but I know
I was pretty dang good for a long time. And
I don't think you can get there if you just
think you're going to, you know, show up and go
out there and play for three and a half hours
on a Sunday afternoon, and so the you know, the
the process of every day and the chance to be
on the grass with your buddies practicing football, uh, you know,
and sitting in a meeting room and figuring out you know,
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uh spags his blitz patterns and Rex s Rins blitz
patterns and all these and like figuring out how we're
going to get this thing picked up to throw a
touchdown to Antonio Gates. I mean, that's that's that's what
that's a blast or even a third down conversion versuszimmers,
you know, a double mug scheme. I mean, those things
were so fun to work on all week, and then
when he came to in the game, you know, there
were some some of the most gratifying plays on a
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Sunday afternoon were the ones the fans didn't even realize.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
But but it was the but the behind the.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Scenes preparations, you know, and it's those those Saturday morning
walk through the bush rise all those things that lead
up to the game.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I certainly love to play.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
I loved the games and running out of the tunnel
and all those things that I used to ask my
mom and dad, Hey, introduce me. You know, I'm coming
out and we're playing soever, you know, whoever, and they
would introduce me and I'd come running out down the hall,
you know, getting introduced. So I love that part, I'll
be clear on that. But it was the process that
made that part so special and and so. But I
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just don't know how you play quarterback and don't aren't
all in on the process if you're trying to be
you know, trying to be you know, one of the best.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
You know, it's I have said this one of the things.
I do think you can become more accurate with coaching.
I think your footwork can improve with coaching. But there
is one thing that I just think is innate. Certain
quarterbacks Ma homes. You could see this instantly. Patrick can
see the field. He just sees the field. You did,
(14:55):
Breeze did? Brady obviously did. And then I'll watch some
young guy and I'm like, I don't know if they
I don't know if they can see it like there
and I know there's a film study. Did you get
did you always have that because you were a good
high school college coach the ability to and I've heard
this set about you, and I've heard this set about
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Peyton and Brady that when a play was over, you
could look at the right side of the field and
yet you knew what was going on and could see
the left side of the field without staring at it.
The great quarterbacks have this innate ability. They just there's
a rhythm to the secondary. And I guess my question is,
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are there can you teach that you had an innate
feel for the position? Are there some things, Philip that
aren't teachable?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, I mean I think that, I think yes.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
I mean I think there's certain things that are and
talents that so many guys have and so many different
positions that are God given ability. And you can, like
you said, I agree hundred percent. You know, we got
to clean up some footwork, We got to clean up
some fundamentals. We can clean up how you're reading this,
or maybe your eyes are just in the wrong place,
But there are some things you know, being able to
have to be accurate.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
You can work on accuracy.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Some people just they can throw all day long and
they just aren't very accurate. And you know, accuracy, anticipation,
and to be able to see it all and process
it fast. Definitely you can improve it, but you're probably
in a window. You know, someone that can't do that.
You can't get them to an elite level. Someone that's
pretty dang good at it. Maybe you can get them
to really good at it, but you can't. I don't
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think you can. There's there's certain parts of playing the
position that you can't make vast improvements. And some guys
like you mentioned Mahomes, and you know, we could go
on and on of talking about guys there are at
a certain level already that they are able to process
and do those things coached or not coached, and then
now you throw in Andy Reid and some of the
other coaches he's had and now and the experience that
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he's gained, and then you can take him to an
even even higher level. But he was already, you know,
pretty a lead at it.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
So I do agree. I do agree with you on
those things.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
And you know, it's funny because and everybody has their process.
You know, me and Drew were teammates. We got to
connect this weekend. It was great to see Drew and
we had such a different uh uh process in terms
of our daily routine. But yet they were both they
both worked and and there's some similarities. But I say
that not to mention this about Drew, but just we
all have our different routines. But uh, I used to
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I wasn't big looking at the iPad off the you know,
coming off the field. Now I would go look at
it to see or see the pictures to confirm maybe
or dang, maybe they fooled me. I need to go
see it. But a lot of times, you know, it
was kind of a running joke. I'd say, I saw
it live, Guys, I just saw it live, and I
need to come back over here and look at it again.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Crap.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I know I should have gone the other way, you know,
so and again.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
And that was in an arrogant way. It was just
I saw live, you know. And so certainly I use
those tools as needed over there. But yeah, there is
definitely some of that. And and I say it in
humility because shoot, I threw it to the other team.
They shoot your times or many times. So I certainly
take all right decisions. But I feel like I did
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have that ability to see it and process it quickly
and throw with anticipation and be accurate.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
So I have this. I wrote about this in my
first book.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I've had this theory forever that most of the great
quarterbacks at one point in North Carolina State had three
starting quarterbacks in the NFL, and COWL had two or three,
and USC and Ohio State had none. That there's an
argument to be made that when you play at a
North Carolina State or a COW or a Miami of
Ohio or a Purdue, that's real life in the NFL.
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You're getting hit. The windows are small. These USC guys
are throwing to wide, open, wide receivers. You're not doing
that at Duke. You're not doing that at NC State.
That I think it was an advantage for you to
go to NC State instead of an Ohio State because
the NFL truth is disc comfort. Nobody's that open. You
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don't get great protection. You're getting hit constantly. I used
to joke, I remember Matt Lioner at USC one year,
he got sacked eleven times. He may have just fallen
down half of those he birred got touched. That when
I was I'll give you an example. JJ McCarthy always
played with the lead Michigan a perfect offensive line. I
worry about JJ three years with hardball or two years
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with hardball, he.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Burley got touched.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Do you think there's an advantage getting beat up a
little bit in college like Mahomes or Josh Allen then
going to the NFL.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
I mean when you yeah, I'm sold based on that
that minute of you saying that. I never thought of
it that way. And I certainly didn't ever feel like
I had inferior teammates those years in NC State.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
But there's a.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Combination of that of yeah, maybe, and even more so
maybe now you don't have the you know, you're all
the comparisons you made make perfect sense. But we felt
like it State we were going to stink and win
them all. You know, we thought we were going to
win them all. So I say that with all due
respect to the certain teammates I had, because I had
many teammates. You mentioned the quarterbacks, you know behind me,
the great receiveratry Hole, many teammates of mine that had
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the long careers in the NFL. But yes, and I
think too, you get to play, you play more games.
You know, I played in fifty one college football games,
so I definitely felt like even more equipped than had
you go to a place and you only play two years,
you play twenty games, and you played from the lead,
and you hand it off and you.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Throw it eighteen times. I threw a hundred.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
I threw one hundred passes in my first two games
in he stayed with Norm Chowt you know so but
then but you're right though, you get the NFL. And
I was in my first few, first week or two
of mini camp and uh and and we had some
play on I don't remember, and I didn't throw the ball.
I got to the check down, didn't throw the deep
cross or deep over and and Cam Cameron said why
didn't you throw it? And I said he's not open?
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And he said he's wide open. And I was like, dang, okay,
Like that's there's the windows and the separation. So those things,
those things are all true that you say. Now you're
taking Matt Lioner to J. J.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
A guy that can come from those you know, historic
programs and they can still have unbelievable NFL career would
be great.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
So it's not like you can't that way.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
But is there something to be said for the you know,
the Texas Texas and the Wyomings and NC states of
the world.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Maybe heck yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
And you know, I definitely think there's something to game
experience and playing and playing. There's no similar there's nothing,
no substitute for playing.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
You have to play.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, So Antonio Gates makes the Hall of Fame. Speaking
of college never played a college football snap take me
to it may have been a practice. When was the
first moment You're at practice or somewhere with.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Him and you went, who's that guy? Like you knew?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
How long did it take for you to identify whoa
People can't guard him. He's too big for linebacker, he's
too he's too strong for safeties.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
How long did it take?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Well?
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Not long. I mean I was in my rookie year
and I had a front row seat my first two years,
you know, with Drew and and and and and Gates
that would have been his you know, he was a
rookie the year before me, and so I got to
see it for I got to see it from the
sideline his you know, those first two years, and he
was one of those guys that you know, we had
a gate trul we had a gate troul, we had
we had the we had the progression for the play
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and based off the coverage, and then we said, okay,
and this one is Gates rule, and and it was
which meant, hey, if he's singled up, I don't care
if the leverage is good for him, He's gonna beat
them anyway.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
And it was just that.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Over wrote that, that over you know, uh, the progression
was then done.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
It was overridden by the Gates rule.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
But he, uh, he had a unique ability to He
was fast and big, but he had a unique ability
to understand body position and getting hands off and attack
and attacking leverage and doing those things. And and I
you know, he was always considered this basketball guy, basketball guy,
basketball guy. But I think what he did was he
was very humble in saying, crap, I want to be
a football guy, and I gotta learn all this.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
What is all these coverages? And they're bracketing me, and
where's the help?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
And and once he learned that the it was, then
it was forget about it. And and that's why he
had that stretch, you know, seven or eight nine year stretch.
Obviously he played longer than that, and his whole career
was awesome, but he had that stretch where he was arguably,
you know, just uncoverable.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
So finally your son, Gunner Rivers is and you could
look him up. He's gonna be one of those top
quarterbacks on all those recruiting things. So you're gonna start
hearing about him. Do you ever watch him and think, Man,
he does have a little better than Dad did at
his age? Is there is there anything you're just thinking? Man,
may he maybe have a little better fastball than Dad?
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Or he may he may move a little better than dad.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Oh yeah, that happens. That happens more than you'd think.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I think.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I think too.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
The game has just changed so much. You know, you
and I talked a little bit off air briefly. You know,
twenty five years ago it was just different. The game
is just different than what it is now. There wasn't
seven on sevens. And you know, we didn't grow up
playing flag football. I mean me and Gunner and you know, uh,
we we're playing flag football, uh, playing against teams from
Hawaii and Idaho and Arizona and.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
All this when we're in California when he was ten
years old.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
You know, so you're getting you're getting to practice that
anticipation and accurate accuracy as a ten year old, and
so he's just he's just thrown the football in a
competitive environment a whole lot more because of the day
and age of football that we're in.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
And uh, you know, it's it's it's been fun.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
It's fun to it's fun to coach him and his
teammates and be at this, be at the school and
and coach these guys up and you know, and and again,
remember the mission is, it's more than about the game.
I remind these guys. It's going to end for you
at some point. Most of our guys, it's gonna end
when they graduate high school. And hopefully, you know, Gunner
and he does have some teammates that can advance and
play college football. But I remind them that even if
you get to play for seventeen years, it does stop,
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and the and the.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Clock will end.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
So it's got to be more than just the ex'es
and o's. You got to learn those those life lessons
that you get from this great sport. And uh, I'm
hopeful that I can pass some of that down to
these guys and help them be better men for having
been in the program.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Well, you're a class guy. One of my favorite players
seventeen years. I was looking at some of your stats.
Six most four hundred and twenty one career passing touchdowns,
the sixth most in NFL history. Two hundred and forty
consecutive starts in the regular season. That is a lot
of starts.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Was there ever?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Did you ever have a game day when you just
felt like crud and started?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Like?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Did you ever have? I mean, you obviously were not
in perfect condition. Did you ever not know an hour
before a game if you were going to start?
Speaker 5 (25:39):
No, no, I know, but yes, many games where it
felt like crud would be an understatement. But thankfully, I
mean again, this isn't me saying, wow, look how tough
I was.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I really was. I had a lot of.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
I was blessed with health and the ability to go
out there every Sunday. I'll just leave it at that.
But there were certain sundays that weren't real fun. Physically,
worked real fun during the week to get there. But again,
a lot of great guys up front fight like crazy
to keep me clean, and then you just have some
injuries you have and you deal with them, and you
there was the one, the one record that was one
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of my favorite growing up. You know, I mentioned the
fifty one starts in the row a n Cy State,
which at a time, at that time was a record.
I think it's been broken, and now these guys playing
fourteen fifteen games a year. But one of my favorite
records was Brett Farres Start Street and I remember watching
that going, man, he's played how many year, rold Man,
he's going to get to three hundred, And I remember
just saying again, this is just as a competitor, I'm
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going I'm going to chase.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Brett Far's record. I'm gonna get there.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
And I didn't play those first two years, as I
said behind Drew, and I realized ultimately I couldn't get there,
but by golly, I was going to find a way.
He'd be second, you know, and suit up and be
out there if I could every week for our team.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
And I do think there's a you know.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
The best ability, as Chuck Amato told us, the best
abilities dependability, and that was one thing I was gonna
be I was gonna be out there.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I was gonna be outre every week. I was gonna
be outre.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Every week and give him all and shoot, I know
we fell short plenty of times, but they knew that
you counted seventeen.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Get them everything they had for those turning forty in
a row.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well, my favorite interview in a long time Philip Absolute
pleasure Saint Michael Catholic High School in Alabama. He took
over a program that didn't really exist. They just won
their first playoff game last year. Congratulations to you and
your program and they are lucky to have you as
a coach.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Thanks man, Thanks Golling enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Philip rivers, great stories. Just a impressive guy like that.
There's a guy like there's a guy that. He had
some offensive lines that were a bit dubious. He took
a few hits in his day and was always there.
Two hundred and forty consecutive starts in the regular season.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
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Speaker 2 (28:27):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Is Thursday and a
great day. We are live and it is the herd.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Wherever here in August you are listening or watching, there's
a lot of choices. Thanks for making us part of
your day. Hey, we get Greg cosel. We might as
well start it now. Greg co sell stuff by in
one hour from today. We put them off about twenty
twenty two straight weeks during the football season, early and late,
(29:01):
and Greg Coso will join us in a one hour.
It's one of my favorite fifteen minute segments every football season.
We do it on Thursdays. J Mac, you used to
be in a business kind of a blogg a sphere
and most of the ninety nine percent of those things
did not do well. And I remember when I spotted
(29:21):
your site. I had told friends, I said, I like
the McIntyre site because you can tell he's like he
can break stories. He's like serious, he's not doing silly stuff,
Like there's like serious stories here.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
It's sourced And I want to start.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
My show talking about that because it was one of
the things I noticed before we had even met a blog.
A sphere can be just nonsense and whimsical, and yours wasn't.
You were breaking stories. And that's kind of a theme
today for quarterback. So I saw this headline from Archie
man and he says arch will not turn pro next season.
(30:03):
He'll be at Texas for the next to two years.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, that's what you have to say.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
If he beats Ohio State in Columbus, wins the Heisman
or doesn't and gets into the national championship game, it
would be really bad business to stay in college. And
I know almost every Manning pretty well. They're good at business,
and they say the right thing when they have to
(30:29):
college sports for truly gifted athletes, like a Cooper Flag.
It's like that first really cool apartment you live in
when you make a little money and you're like, I'm
never leaving this place, and then eventually you get a
real job with a VP and the title and you
don't want to share walls or the pool, and you
(30:51):
forget about it really quickly. Arch Manning made six point
five million last year at Texas nil. Reportedly, cam Ward
made forty eight point seven guaranteed number one pick? Urge
can I can I interest you in a.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Forty two million dollar loan? Hook?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
What?
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
This is the classic Mannings saying the right thing and
a lot of times in society. I mean, I think
the term is true, but I get tired of it.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Woke. Well, you're just.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Not being honest, you know, when you're really important sometimes jd.
Vance should not talk about ever being a president. Keep
it to yourself, Lebron Mannings, Mahomes, Brady. I've seen Mahomes
step to the microphone and just say the right thing,
(31:41):
not necessarily the most honest, authentic thing. That's what happens.
And the Manning family is American Football royalty. So this
is exactly what you say. We Cooper Flag said it. Oh,
Duke and Denny talked to Nike, and then you're the
number one pick and here's fifty six large.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I love Duke so much.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I'll go visit when they play Caroline if I have time.
Arch Manning, if he's as good as I think he is,
he's got to go pro. I know Cooper, I know Eli,
I know Peyton, I know Archie, and I don't know Arch.
But Sark talking about Arch sounds a lot like Cooper
(32:25):
and Eli and Peyton Manning.
Speaker 8 (32:29):
His work ethic is incredible, whether it's you know, studying tape,
studying film, studying the playbook, working at his craft, you know,
in the weight room like that that that is, whether
it's innate in him or uh it was you know,
handed down from his uncles whatever, whatever it was, his
work ethic is really pretty incredible. And and that lends
(32:53):
itself to the teammate that he is too, And.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
That's an interesting way to describe him. Jump into my
next segment. Now, I will tell you ninety percent of
you will disagree with this take. And I've been doing
this for twenty five years. I believe in it strongly
and always have. So did you notice when Sark talked
about Arch and oh, by the way, Eli Manning could be,
(33:19):
you know, funny on Saturday Night Live. But if you
described Peyton Manning you would say intense. Bill Pollion once
said he was a teeth clencher. If you're describing Tiger Woods,
you'd be like obsessed, intimidating, Michael Jordan, Kobe, Bryant Brady.
(33:41):
It's not a coincidence that the greatest athletes of my
life are borderline crazy, obsessed, serious people. And I am
hoping when Shadur Sanders plays tomorrow night, I can't wait
to walk.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I'm rooting for them.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I mean, I don't like the speeding tickets, but they
lead me to my topic today. It is totally unfair
that at twenty three years old, as an NFL quarterback,
you are held to a totally different standard, not only
from every twenty three year old you know, but from
every twenty three year old professional athlete. You have to
(34:24):
be twenty three going on forty three, not even thirty three,
cause some of you are still doing shooters at the
you know, Captain Van Dangoes on a Friday night, right like,
I know where you're out.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
You're doing stuff that's really not inappropriate.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
You hope your boss doesn't walk in right right at
thirty three, at forty three, hopeful that you have kids,
you're a grown up, you're a vice president. You're not
doing it quarterback in the NFL. It's almost unfair. Jalen
Hurts is twenty seven, he acts forty seven. I've never
seen a quarterback that good at the PODIU him ever,
(35:01):
he is the best quarterback I've ever seen at the podium.
He surpasses the second best I've ever seen, Dak Prescott.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
No jokes.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
They're like accountants should bring a briefcase. And this is
something that's always bothered me about Shaduer.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
And Miles.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Garrett was asked to describe his personality here it is.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I mean, it's funny, optimistic, playhearted. Who's funny?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Jamis Winston was funny, Drew Lock was lighthearted. Cam Newton
is the best college football player I have ever seen.
He was the size of a defensive end, but he
was playful. Drew Lock remember that piece of video. That's
all I needed to see. I know all your frat bros,
(35:59):
they loved it.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I get it. The cigarette bros absolutely love that. I
get it.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
It's not what I want. Dak Prescott his rookie year.
It may have been preseason or it was early in
the season, did something and you guys made fun of it.
But there was a piece of garbage on the field
behind the cowboy bench. He's in the middle of a game,
and he walked by it and turned around, grabbed it
and put it in the garbage. And I'm like, oh,
(36:26):
that's grown up. He understands. It's like when you go
to a funeral, don't smile and don't laugh. You have
to be on. Dak Prescott understands. I'm the cowboy quarterback.
I am always on. Years ago in the Patriots Building,
they did a little test. This is true story. They
would randomly put stuff on the floor to see if
(36:46):
people picked it up when they interviewed them. To this day,
when I walked down the halls of Fox, just in
case my bosses are watching, I always stop and pick up.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
A piece of garbage. It matters, and it's unfair.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I don't want my quarterbacks to be, as Miles Garrett said,
fun lighthearted. I'm not interested in lighthearted at all. Jameis
Winston the best thing he's ever done. Worked for Fox.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
It was funny. He also threw thirty picks a year.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
It's not fair, but the Harbaughs, Nick Saban Sean Payton
are almost offensively intense. I mean there are times Nick
Saban's so intense it's intimidating. And yet Nick Saban is
five foot six. Did you know that he plays really big?
Sean Payton, I'm much taller than he is. He feels
(37:39):
bigger than I do. I don't want my quarterbacks to
be fun, lighthearted.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
In the draft room.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
But leggendary it was also fun in that car doing
one to four in a forty five.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I'm sorry, but it matters. I like the traits of
Shador Sanders. I like his size. I think he's more
mobile than people say.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I think he throws a beautiful football off platform er
on it. I think he's a much better pro prospect
than Dylan Gabriel. Obviously many of you disagree. But one
of the things that's always bothered me, he's kind of silly.
I don't want silly. I'm not interested in silly. There's
so many things pedigree, size, accuracy, I like about him,
(38:22):
but it's just one of those things. It is just
there was am I'll give you another example. I don't
love brock Purdy, but there was a moment with brock Purdy.
He was at a concert about a year ago with
George Kittle. George Kittle is shot gun and beers and oh,
by the way, brock Purdy, just like a funeral, don't laugh,
(38:42):
you're always on. Brock Purdy carried the beers in. He
wouldn't bite. He wouldn't bite. He didn't want that meme nothing.
Let the crazy tied end to it. I'm not biting.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
He is going, yeah, George, you keep doing it. He
wouldn't do it. He didn't want that anywhere.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Because if you do that and people see it, and
you go on a four game losing streak, the GM
sees it. And by the way, I will get three
to four texts today from GMS and they'll be like,
you're absolutely right. And every time I do that stuff
I get texts. Is that most twenty three year olds
are listening saying that's ridiculous. It is in ninety eight
(39:26):
percent of the work environments in the country. But one
of the things that impressed me about Dak and Jalen Hurts.
It's not how they throw from the pocket. I've said
this about Tua. Tua's grown up Tyreek Hill isn't. Hurts
is unbelievable. When people say Lamar Jackson he gets tight
in the playoffs. Yeah, damn righty does because he cares
(39:48):
so much. Lamar Jackson gets furious at Lamar Jackson. It's
one of my favorite traits. And I do think he
gets tight in the playoffs, and I do think Peyton
Manning did for years. If the biggest fault is the
dude is really intense. Sign me up for that, sign
me up for Lamar Jackson and early Peyton Manning. But
(40:12):
there's that Drew Locke video keeping a real man. I
got the vibes and y'all loved it, and I couldn't
stand it. And it was only ten seconds, and I'm like, dude,
do that at home. You're on you're smiling at a funeral.
You're trying to be the face of a franchise.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I wouldn't like my GM doing it. I wouldn't like
my head coach doing it. Remember that Chaduur Flacco thing.
There was a little piece of video with Shadur and
Flacco here in camp. And it's not the end of
the world. Nobody's saying it is. As I always say,
everything's something, nothing's everything. But remember that little piece of video.
Do we have the sound up on that when Flacco
and Chaduur and Schadeur's asking him about dancing?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Do we have that you ever did?
Speaker 3 (40:55):
That?
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Was that?
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Definitely not?
Speaker 5 (41:00):
I don't love if I've ever heard a public dance
movie in my life.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Joe Flacco's been to a Super Bowl and won a
Super Bowl, and if I recall he was the MVP
of the Super Bowl, it matters at least to me.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
All Right, the hate mail will be flying in and keep.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
It coming because it is a thing. It really is
a thing, and it just is one of those things.
I think about it all the time, and there are
different times in life. By the way, I've joked about
this for years. Whenever I'm hiring a young person like
twenty or thirty, I don't want somebody that loves golf.
Now by the time you get gray hair and you're old,
(41:42):
I don't care old guys. I'm really into golf. The
last three years, the gray er my hair gets. But
I'm out of that space now. But when you're twenty
and thirty and you're not making much and I need
you to work fifty five to sixty hours a week,
I'm not working that much anymore. I got a bigger
staff in it. But when I used to be in
this business, I was looking for young people. I didn't
mind what your hobbies were. I didn't want golfers. I
(42:04):
didn't want golfers because golf has an addictive quality. I'm
going through that now. Over the last three years once
the number six. That's different than two to three on
the name on the number. And so I will say this,
The brock Pretty thing really struck me. I was like,
you can say what you and I've never been a
huge brock Pretty guy. But one of the things Sam
(42:25):
Darnold said about him, like one of the reasons that
Kyle Shanahan was so impressed with him is his maturity.
They were like, he's just not your typical twenty four
year old and maybe that's unfair, but it's really impressive.
Part of what NFL teams do. They have these conversations,
(42:46):
Can we hand the keys of our franchise to this
young guy? That is a conversation networks have that I've
worked at. Can we give this person their own show?
It's his show, it's his staff. We can't babysit him.
We're not there every day. Can you give the keys
to the franchise? And you watch brock perty and like
he knew, come on, George a couple more. He wouldn't bite.
(43:09):
He would not bite j Mark.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
When you get.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Your show someday that Marquis You're gonna have to settle
down because you are a wild child on the beach
of a Manhattan beach.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
From what I hear, so basically this week you are
against backwards visors and you are against shotgutting beers on
stage at a concert. Okay, you're basically captain on fund.
You know you've heard of the fun uncle, the funkal.
You're like the opposite of that. You are unfun Colin.
Oh my gosh, golf really no, So what about basketball?
Speaker 2 (43:42):
You're good with me and the men's leagues. I've got
a big playoff game to get your cardio in. Get
your cardio in.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Hi, everybody, I understand that I always had a thing
with golf. When your hair gets gray, go for it
before that. I don't want to hear your golf that
they did plan on seven courses.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
That's just me. Everybody's got a different vine.
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