Boxing with Chris Mannix - Boxing Boogeymen

Joining Mannix this week is former junior middleweight champion and DAZN broadcaster Sergio Mora. Mannix and Mora discuss a big Tank Davis-Frank Martin fight, David Benavidez's move to 175-pounds, Adrien Broner's loss and why Sergio ranks Subriel Matias as one of the most avoided fighters in boxing. Later, Benavidez joins to talk his move to 175, his feelings towards Canelo, why he thinks he will be even better at light heavyweight and more. ReplyForwardAdd reaction. #Volume #Herd

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for you. This week, I am down in Puerto Rico

(02:35):
for the Suprio Mattias Liam Paro one hundred and forty
pound title fight. That's a fight you can watch Saturday
on his own. I will be on the call for
that fight. Sergio Mora, my broadcast partner, he will join
me there and he will join me in just a
few minutes. Sergio and I get into all the news
of the week, from the Tank Davis Frank Martin fight

(02:56):
to some of the consternation if you will, that Tank
Davis has about the way he's being promoted. We also
talk about David Benavitez fighting on that undercard. The latest
with Ryan Garcia. We look back on another disappointing performance
by Adrian Bronner, and I asked Sergio why on social

(03:18):
media this week he named Supril Mattias as one of
the top five boogeymen in all of boxing. Kind of
a hot take there from Sergio that we unpack here
on the show. A little bit later, David Benavidez will
join me. Benavidez, of course, the former super middleweight champion,
who has given up the pursuit for now at least
of a fight against Canelo Alvarez, in favor of chasing

(03:40):
one hundred and seventy five pound title. That campaign begins
on Saturday against Alexender Vostik. I talked to David about
what went into that decision, how he feels about all
this Canelo stuff that's out there, and how he thinks
his body, his speed, his power are all going to
adjust to one hundred and seventy five pounds. Stick around
for that great conversation, as always with David Benavidez. Before

(04:04):
we get to them, though, I did want to weigh
in briefly on the reports that are out there about
Saudi Arabia kind of forming a boxing league. Now, this
is something that has been in the water supply for
several months now. A lot of people in boxing believed
that this was ultimately the end goal for Turkey Ala

(04:27):
Chic and Saudi Arabian officials to consolidate the boxing promoters,
to consolidate the boxing talent and put it all kind
of under one umbrella. Obviously, I think it's a good
idea if it can happen, because the less entities there
are in boxing, the better fights were going to get. Like,

(04:51):
there's a reason UFC is as popular as it is.
It's because it's effectively a monopoly. It has ninety percent
of the market share. It can make big fights whenever
it wants to because it's the UFC. I don't know
that boxing can ever become the UFC, even with the
the Saudi influence and the Saudi money. But bringing Matchroom

(05:15):
and Golden Boy and Queensberry and Top Rank and PBC
kind of under one umbrella, if they can get it done,
it's only gonna benefit boxing overall. I also think one
big benefit is you get rid of the sanctioning bodies.
I'm sorry, we don't need sanctioning bodies. Sanctioning bodies and
their belts do more harm than good, the interim titles,

(05:39):
the bad mandatories, the unforced mandatories, all the goofiness. Look
in my conversation with Benavetez coming up in a few minutes,
one thing I asked him was aren't you a little
bit pissed off that the WBC, over the course of
almost two years didn't order a mandatory fight between you
and Canelo. He might not have taken it, but the

(06:00):
WBC should have at least ordered it. But they didn't
because like all sanctioning bodies, they create rules and then
they don't follow them. So if a new Saudi league
can squeeze out the sanctioning bodies and make one belt
or two belts or whatever it is, and can eliminate
the interim titles, the super champions, the champions in recess,

(06:22):
the champions emeritus, whatever the hell else is out there,
that is only going to be a benefit for boxing.
Streamlining it, making people understand it, making people know who's
a title holder who's not. That is big for the sports.
So I love that potential as well. Stay locked in
on this feed. We're gonna do more on the Saudi

(06:44):
impact and what they might be planning a little bit
later in this week, and I have another guest on a
little bit later in the week to talk about that.
But look, it's exciting, there's no question about that. If
you can just make these fights between you know, fighters
that are currently fighting under rival promoters umbrella, and you

(07:05):
can do it without an eighteen month dragout or a
three year dragout, and and make them when these guys
are in their prime, and then maybe make two or
three of these fights. It's only gonna benefit boxing short
and long term. So we'll talk more about it for
sure a little bit later in the week, but when
we come back, I will be joined by my broadcast

(07:25):
partner and the former junior middleweight champion of the world,
Sergio Moral. So you know what I like about you

(07:50):
is that you are transparently ridiculous. Like I saw your
tweet this week about how you have been looking forward
to this Zone show with Supril Mattias and Liam Paro.
You could not give a damn about Suprial Mattias or
Liam Paromy.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
We called the Paro fight against Montana Love. You're telling
me he didn't upset Montana Love, he didn't turn heads,
he didn't shock everybody. The kids, likable, he's popular. He's
one of these road warriors from Australia. Mattias twenty and
oh twenty knockouts, and it just happened to be in
the beautiful littery of Puerto Rico.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
If this fight was in Minneapolis, Minnesota, you would not
have tweeted one word of it. You got to Puerto
Rico on Tuesday. The fight's not till Saturday. You got
here on Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Yeah, but they need me for press conferences. Press conference
is Thursday, and the you know, the Zone Boxing show
they need they need the Latin snake here. You know,
me and Claudia are doing some things in Spanish, so yeah,
you know, busy, busy schedule, Manix.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
Some people got to work around here.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Sergia the former junior middleweight champion, his own broadcasters here
and we are in Puerto Rico. Are we in San Juan?
Technically No, we're not technical, just outside.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Saying outside it. Yeah, you can walk there. I was
walking the beaches right now.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
The super real Matias Liam Paro one hundred and forty
pound title fight is on Saturday live on his own.
We're gonna get to that and get to a few
other things that are happening this weekend, and we'll start,
I guess with the big fight in Las Vegas that's
also happening on Saturday night. Tak Davis one hundred and
thirty five pound champion. He will defend his title against

(09:32):
Frank Martin. You know Sergia a couple of years ago,
you know, after the Frank Martin Michelle Rivera fight. I
would have been really excited about this bye. But Frank
Martin's last time out didn't look all that great. There's
a lot of complicating factors with Frank Martin right now.

(09:54):
He's trained by Derek James, he's promoted by Errol Spence.
Derek James Spence are suing each other at the moment. Uh,
this just feels like a bad matchup for Frank Martin.
But let's just ask you that first. How do you
see Davis against Martin?

Speaker 4 (10:12):
I mean, stylistically, it's gonna be a difficult fight for
Tank Davis looks similar to when Frank when a Tank
Davis fought what's that guy's name? The other Dominican Hector
Luis Garcia, another South Paul who's a little taller or
similar size to Martin. He's gonna look similar to that,
where he's gonna have to be patient.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
Tank. You know, you can't just go in there.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
He's gonna have to respect the power, you know, the
size advantage to reach and the skill Frank Martin has
is very disciplined, you know, especially behind that jab. And
like I said, lefty versus Lefty, you know, it could
either be a sloppy fight or a patient, calculated fight.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
I think it's gonna be the latter.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
But yeah, I just don't think Martin has the the
one the resume. I don't think he has a power,
and I just don't think he has enough to get
the respect of Tank Davis, who will die seckted them slowly,
just like you did Garcia, and it.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
Should enter on the same time nine ten rounds.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
I think the best case scenario is Frank Manin goes
a distance, but I just don't see him pulling off
a decision.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah. The the best win of Martin's career at this
point was the Rivera winning. Before that, he had some
good wins. He beat Romero Duno, he beat Jackson Marinez.
Then he goes out and is in a prospect versus
prospect matchup with Rivert and he completely outclasses and wins
wide on all three scorecards. Then you fast forward to

(11:33):
July of last year and he fights our time for
a tortiani and I'm going to try to say that
right Terrible gave him my best shot, but he has
kind of a lackluster type performance where he escaped with
the a narrow decision. And you know that it's been
almost a year now. I know that Tank has been
off for just as long, actually longer than Frank Martin.

(11:57):
But I just think he's more used to that type
of layoff. He's more used to this type of fight.
And again, I gotta believe that there's there's something to
training with a trainer who is suing your promoter, right
like that. The dynamic of that is just a little
crazy to me.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah that I can only imagine how that that camp is,
you know. But you know, there's always a little havoc
in every camp and every team, you know, but you know,
we we we fight through that because we've been with
each other so long. I mean, the chemistry is not
always going to be perfect, and you just got to
get past it, you know, and understand that business comes first,
uh before friendship and relationships and if you can compartmentalize that,

(12:38):
which I think they can.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
They've been doing it for a long time.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
I mean, Frank Martin has had a success, successful amateur career,
successful professional career.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
He's the goods.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Now he needs to do it on I don't even
want to say the championship level, because I still don't
consider Tank a legitimate, you know, one forty or one
thirty five champion.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
We know the champions are there, but.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
He's officially a champion now though he got you know,
kind of the email upgrade.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
He got the email off he got upgraded. Oh great, Okay,
so bacon champion gotcha?

Speaker 5 (13:06):
All right?

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Like I said, I still don't, but I think he's
still but I think he's a star. He's the man
to beat and he's the all eyes are on him.
He's the number one guy at one thirty five or
even one forty, depends what he fights someone forty, but
at won thirty five, he's a man. And I can
understand why he's getting upset or frustrated at his promoter
for the fight not being as big as it should.

(13:27):
You know, I totally get it. The promotion has been lacking,
the advertisement has been lacking. I mean there's a lot
of there's a lot of promoters that are looking right
now at Tank Davis, who's a star, a pay per
view star, and one of the biggest attractions and punchers
in boxing.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
They're licking their lips saying, Hey, They're like Shook Knight
at the at the source of Wars.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
Hey, man, you ain't happy, Come over the death row,
Come over here the match from Come over your doss,
Golden Boy.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Come.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Promoters are gonna want to suit him, you know, because
they want to show him and give him the big
stage and roll out the red carpet from for this
fight against marn There's no car, there's no attention.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Well, let's talk about you said, Tank is pissed off
about the lack of promotion about this body blew off
the Grand Arrivals, that sort of ceremonial media event that
starts fight week. Does he have a you kind of
answer this question, but does he have a point? Like
does he have reason to be upset? Like ever since

(14:21):
kind of Amazon got into the boxing game, we haven't
seen them commit a lot of resources to promoting these events. Now,
a lot of times these events get promoted a lot
during fight week and I'm sure we'll see kind of
a ramp up for it as well. But to his point,
there really hasn't been a lot of mainstream interest in

(14:42):
this fight. There hasn't been a lot of mainstream boxing
coverage of at least not as much as it should be. Look,
this is a big card, like, you know, it's Tank,
it's Frank Martin, it's David Benavidez. We're gonna get to
in a minute taking on Alexander Vostik, Like this is
a pretty significant card, even one that's on pay per view.
Does he have a point that this should be promoted.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
More, and especially on a on a big boxing weekend
where we have you know, we have Matias Paro and
then across the pond, you know you have uh what
is Smith and React Pork React Pork Chris Bill Smith.
And it's a it's a rematch, an exciting fight. I
watched that yesterday. It's a good fight. I'm glad they're
having a rematch to better wait five years later. But

(15:23):
uh yeah, so there should be more be more emphasis
on everything that Tank is and uh David Benavitez too.
I mean, Benavidez isn't gonna sell you know, you have
to you have to cross promote, you have to be
more than just one one side of the audience. You know,
Tank has that East Coast you know audience. David Benavidez
has a West Coast audience. I think you gotta you

(15:44):
gotta promote to both man the Spanish market, the Mexican
the Latino market, the black market, and you know, the everything.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
You know.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
I think that's where they're going wrong. And yeah, I
haven't seen commercial on Amazon. I mean, if you're gonna,
if you're gonna have that big of a of a
of a partner, you know, to advertise, and they're not
doing it.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
Kind of a disrespect to the promotion.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
So Tank is going to be thirty years old in November,
and he's unquestionably a star in this game. He sells
out arenas all across the country, he drives pay per views,
but his resume remains relatively thin compared to his peers.
His biggest win was the knockout against Ryan Garcia, which
was more of a big win on a popularity level

(16:27):
than it was a notable win. Well, yeah, for a boxer,
this Frank Martin fight is fine, but nobody thinks Frank
Martin is among the elite at one hundred and thirty
five pounds. You've got Chaquarze Stevenson out there, Sergio. He's
going to fight July sixth, and that is the last
fight of his deal with Top Rank. He's going to
be a free agent. If there was ever a time

(16:50):
for Tank Davis to fight Chaquore Stephenson, it would be
now right. And to me, if that fight's going to happen,
it's going to be on Tank Davis to make it.
I think Or will make it. I don't think Shakor
is going to hold out for every last dollar. I
think Chakur knows he's the B side in that fight.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
If Tank wants it, he can have it. I'm of
the opinion that if he gets through this fight unscathed
before the end of the year, he's got to get
in the ring with Chakor Stevenson.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
He's not gonna fight chir Course Stevenson. No one's gonna
fight Course Stephenson. He's everything wrong that every He's gonna
make everyone look bad. Chakour is gonna keep uh beating
the guys that put in front of him, making seven figure,
seven figure pay days, and he's gonna do it on
his terms. He's not gonna Tank's not gonna fight him,
all right, So get that out of your mind.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
I think a fight.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
That's more makeable if it's at one thirty five is
a Williams a paida fight or a rematch with Pitt
Bull Cruise or if he moves up to one forty
HAINI makes a lot of sense. A rematch with Garcia
makes a lot of sense. There's a lot of big
promotional uh uh, successful promotions you can make with all
those fights I just mentioned. I just thought, think, of course,

(18:00):
Stevenson is going to sell on pay per view, sell
tickets wherever they put that fight. Of course, Stevenson just
one of those guys that is that damn good, that
damn talented, but he doesn't put butts in seats.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
I think you're wrong. I think a fight with Tank
and Chiquor sells out every arena in every major city, exactly.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Like Frank Martin and Tank Davis exactly. As far as
the the attention, march.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Court's an Olympic silver medalist. He's been on the big
stage for like six years. Now, what are you talking about?
It's a much bigger fight.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
Than biggest fight Schakour, what's the biggest.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Fight blanking on his resume? Two division title holder?

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Though it's point exactly mister sports illustrated. So there you go,
there you go, and can you imagine to a casual
fan that you're trying to sell that to me?

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Jamel Herring was a good win for him.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
Good He has good wins. He just doesn't have great wins.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Because nobody will fight him.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Hey, Davis doesn't have great wins either. He has he has,
he has a solid resume, but not on a championship level.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
But he's a puncher. That's something that Shakour is not.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
So when you're knocking out guys, well, you know, it
doesn't matter who they put in front of. You're knocking
him out. And he's exciting to watch. So Tank is
gonna be popular because of the power that that that
little ora that he brings at Mike Tyson, you know, mystique.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
But he's likable, you know, once he starts smiling, you know.
So he's gonna be a star no matter who he fights.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
But you have to have a good b side, And
like what I just said earlier, when you cross promote
with different cultures. That's when it's a big fight. I mean,
think about the biggest fights in history. You know, if
you go back to like Larry Holmes and when he
fought uh, the gentleman Jerry Corey, huge fight.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
Corey wasn't on his level.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
There was a huge fight Oscar de la Joya Floyd Mayweather,
huge fight, two different cultures. You know, Mayweather beat him easily.
That's what your That's what I mean. Look at Rocky
and Drago for good.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
All right, that's not a real fight. Okay, you lose
you know what I'm trying to say that, you lose
me when you say that, Frank in terms of mainstream appeal,
as on the same level as Chakoris. Not Shaquor has
done good numbers on ESPN. Chakor is a far more
well known commodity than Frank Martin is. If those two
got together, they would sell out a building in a

(20:14):
hot minute. Maybe it doesn't do a million pay per
view buys, but it does, like, yes, it does, if
it's promoted properly, of course it does. That is a
big fight. That's gonna that's gonna fight that that tank
Davis frankly needs like you mentioned Pitbull Cruise, and if
I was going to make the most likely options list

(20:36):
for Tank after this fight, Pittbull would probably be at
the top right like he's he's fighting, hold on, He's
fighting on August third. He's gonna defend his title. If
he does successfully, there will be buzz for a rematch
with Tank at one. It would give chance a Tank
a chance to become a real two division world champion.
It would sell a lot of tickets because frankly, Pitbull

(20:56):
Cruise saws way more tickets than I thought he did,
so UH would be up pretty because he.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
Brings the Mexican audience.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
They'd love to see a little pit pull, aggressive fighter
that gave hell to Tank Davis and he always comes
to fight. This guy's a power punching a little menace,
a record machine. People want to see that. People don't
want to see a guy bouncing around the ring.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Wait, so you want to see the rematch between east
Side Cruise and Tank Davis more than you want to
see Shakrgan's Tank day.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
No, no, no, I didn't say that because I'm a boxer.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
I'm talking about for the casual fan, Maatics, the casual
fan that's gonna pay for the pay per view.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
They're not gonna pay for schir Corse Stevenson.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
I'm gonna pay for Schirquart Stevenson because I think he's
one of the best boxers, pure boxers in boxing, and
I think he's one of the most avoided for good reason,
because he's that damn skilled. I just don't think skills
sells in pay per view, and skills don't put butts
in seats because they're not gonna go out there and
look for the knockout. That's all I'm saying. Look, I
had that type of style, not on the same level

(21:53):
as the brilliant Stevenson, but I wasn't a puncher, you know,
so I had to make punchers look bad by moving.
That's what Stevenson does. The only difference is Stevenson has
that Olympic pedigree, that silver medal. He's a champion on
the championship level. He can he can turn it on
and put it on another gear whenever he wants, but
he doesn't, and that's the knock on him. And I
just don't think people are gonna want to pay for

(22:15):
a guy that can win on three gears only.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I don't know if if top rank is quote not
in the way anymore after July sixth, and Shaquur's a
free agent. If you're not gonna make that fight now,
you're never gonna make it. And that to me is
the kind of legacy defining fight that Tank Davis needs.
He can make a pile of money fighting anybody wants.
But November, he's turning thirty, and is the number of

(22:38):
signature wins that he has you can count on a
couple of fingers. He does not have even one. I
guess the Petraza fight back at one thirty was a
good win, but a marquee statement win.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
I got a name for you that's going to cross
everything that I just mentioned, and it's a legitimate name
and threat and champion Tank versus Loman Chankle.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
What's the difference between Loma Chanko and Shakur.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
Loma's been on the on the bigger thing.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Loma Chanko is a bigger draw than Shakur.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
I think he's more and well known. He's been in
big he's been in bigger fights.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
He's been in bigger fights. Yeah, but I think you're
dramatically underestimating, Like the not not that Kor's the most
popular guy in boxing, but he's pretty well known at
this point.

Speaker 5 (23:20):
That's why you couldn't name the Championseues beat.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Well when you're avoided as much as he is. That's why, right,
let's move on. Also on this card is David Benavidez,
who has given up the pursuit of Canelo Alvarez for
now in pursuit of a title. At one seventy five,
he'll take on Alexander Vosti. Vostav, of course, known as
the former title holder, lost his belt in a fight

(23:43):
against Archer better Biev. He's been on the comeback trail
a couple of fights into it, and now he takes
on David Benavidez ser Jio. David Benavitez is a big
guy generally. Do you think his style, his power is
going to be the same at one seventy five as
it was at one sixty eight.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
I think his speed would carry over. I think his
size would be uh will be fine. I don't think
his power is going to be enough whenever you're dealing
with a fighter like better Biev who's knocking out everybody
at that wave division. Whenever you're dealing with a with
a brilliant mastermind boxer like Bevo, it's not gonna be enough.
So the speed's in to carry, the size is in

(24:21):
the carry, but the power isn't. So the guys that
he's normally you know, beaten down at one sixty eight,
he's not going to be able to beat down like
that at one seventy five. Benavide is not a one
punch knockout artist. He puts you down with speed, and
at one sixty eight it's hard to see speed like that.
He reminds me of a super middleweight dar O Corals,
you know, short shoulders, long arms, and he peppers you

(24:42):
in a little in a little square right in front
of you, and he goes from up to bottom, you know,
and uh and and he just he surprises guys with
with that handspeed for as big as he is. So
I think he'll be able to compete with everyone else
in the top ten at one seventy five. But those
guys that I just mentioned, those big dogs, better be
of Bevil.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
No, I don't think he's ever gonna be able to,
you know, knock them guys over.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Why not?

Speaker 5 (25:05):
Like I just told you, he doesn't have the size.
He doesn't. He's not out Jeb Bevil.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
What do you mean does have the size? He's like
six foot three like between him.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
Be No, he's not, just like you're not six foot three, Okay.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
I am six foot three. Between Benavidez and Gilberto Ramirez
where the two guys I never fathom get it all
the way up, all the way down to one sixty eight.
Benavitez is huge, right, He's the Mexican monster. That's in
part because he is a big guy. I could never
understand how he made one sixty eight as often as

(25:39):
he did. In fact, he lost his title once on
the scale because he wasn't disciplined enough to make one
sixty eight. Going up seven pounds. I think he's only
gonna make him better. It's gonna make him less fatigued
in these fights because he's not cutting as much weight,
and I think he's got plenty of size and plenty
of power to do similar damage in that weight class.
I don't know how you look at him and say

(25:59):
he he's not big enough to meet your people A
big guy. No, He's talked about going back down to
one sixty eight if Canelo would give him a chance
down there. We're not talking about huge, massive super middleweights
that Benavitez would be competing against.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
BEEVI has the If you look at him in person,
you'll see the mass difference, the shoulder sized difference. Benavitez
is not a big, a big guy. I don't know
what your.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Six foot two box wreck as him listed at six.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
I've called one of his fights before I've sized them up.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
I've stood next to him many right now, especially when
he's making weight, he doesn't look I mean.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
I don't shrink in height when you're making When we.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
Rehydrate, then he maybe looks a little bit bigger. But
he's soft. Even at one sixty eight, at when he's
in peak shape, he looks soft. He doesn't have a
six pack. He's soft. Can you imagine him going up
ten pounds to one seventy five, He's gonna be softer.
He's gonna be softer, you know.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
So.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
No, I just don't think he beats the big dogs,
but he competes with the rest.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
That's to answer your question.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
No, Benavitez won't beat a better bee of or a bevil,
but he can maybe pick up a vacant strap if
it's released by one of them, two monsters.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
I don't understand the not big enough. He's one of
the strongest guys, was one of the strongest guys at
super middleweight. He won. He's won twenty four of his
twenty eight fights by knockout. No, he doesn't have the
same kind of one punch knockout power that some of
these other guys have. But he beat the but Jesus
out of Caleb Plant last year. He beat the daylights

(27:23):
a Demetrius Andreid. Last year, he beat two guys that
were among the top fighters in that weight class, and
he beat them going away. I mean the Caleb Plant fight,
that one of those score cards a little bit too close.
The Android fight that was, you know, after the first
couple of rounds, that was lopsided. I just think he's
got more than enough strength, more than enough speed. He's

(27:45):
gonna throw a ton of punches when you're in the
ring with him, so you're gonna have to compete with that.
H Does he have the chin to hold up to
a better BF shots. I don't know the answer to that.
He has been knocked down before. But we just saw
be Ball fight a couple of weeks so I picked
up his first knockout in six years. Like his power
ain't what it used to be. So I think he's
got a great chance. In fact, if better Biev is

(28:06):
not able to go in October because of injury reasons,
I want Benavitez to step right in there. I want
to see Benavitez against Beebel in Saudi Arabia October of
this year.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
I would love to see that fight.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
But him moving up to one seventy five is gonna
look similar to when Sula Ramirez moved up to one
seventy five. He was knocking everyone out. I won sixty eight,
became a champion, but I don't want seventy five.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Well, he did.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
His first five fights were decisions. Look it up.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Oh my god, No they weren't.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
No, he wasn't knocking him out at want seventy five?

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Do you do any prep work for this show? But
your memory you don't? Okay, So look it up.

Speaker 5 (28:38):
I'm looking it up. Who seventy five?

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Uh knocked out Tommy Carpency first?

Speaker 5 (28:44):
His first three fights? Did you can knock out?

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Actually? He knocked out everybody. Sergia won seventy five. He
moved up, he knocks out Tarmy Carpency, knocks out Alfonso Lopez,
he knocks out Sullivan Brera, he knocks out Yenesky Gonzales,
he knocks out Don mcdominic, Bosel. He goes this, says
you with Joe Smith, that cruiserweight, so literally every fight
that he had at one seventy five he won by knockout.

(29:07):
Do you do any research before you prepare to come
on the air? But not Joe Smith at one ninety something,
he didn't look. I think, I think you're dead wrong.
I think do you think Bettaby has stops Vostik? Yes,
but the hell that's a former champion at what's seventy five?

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Vot got He got retired because he got beaten down,
got one loss, and I got so surprised because he
has so much left in the tank. But when you
get beaten down like that, you get shell shocked, you know,
and then the inactivity you start questioning yourself. So yes,
I think he stopped someone like Vastik. I just don't
think he can he can hurt or or get the
respect or the power with everyone else as far as

(29:47):
better be than Bebo, I just don't see it.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
You called all of those Zerda Ramira's fights. You were
there when he knocked out Dominic Bosel in southern California.
You were there when he stopped Unski Gonzalz. How do
you do you not remember these things?

Speaker 4 (30:02):
Because I have pugilistic dementia and you have a computer.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
In front of you, and I don't.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
I just look, but I knew he had won those
fights by knockout. Anyway, all right, more serious topic. We
saw Ryan Garcia get into some trouble this past weekend.
He was arrested at a Los Angeles hotel for allegedly
vandalizing the hotel room. According to reports, there's about fifteen
thousand dollars worth of damage. When Ryan wouldn't pay, he

(30:27):
was arrested by the Los Angeles area Police departments. You know,
there was a statement that was put out by members
of Ryan's legal team that said he was going through
some stuff right now, which is the most obvious statement
you could possibly make. Your reaction, I guess, to the
recent developments with Ryan Garcia.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
I think my reaction is just like everyone else were concerned.
You know, we're concerned with not only the stability the
mental health of Ryan Garcia. But now you know the
physical health, you know, because he's drinking a lot, he's
doing god knows what else he's doing. You know, he
takes prescription medication, he smokes weed. I mean, this is

(31:08):
a cry for help, in my opinion, I've been twenty
five years old, manx, I want the contender. When I
was twenty five years old, and I got seven figures
in my bank account. When I was, you know, twenty
five years old, I had, you know, the face recognition
when I was faced, you know, twenty five, I got
the invice of the Playboy Mansion.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
I know what it is on a smaller scale, a
lot smaller, because I'm nowhere near as Hansome as Ryan.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
I'm not even sure it was a smaller scale though,
because how many people talk about money back then. Money yes,
but twenty million for his fight with Tank, but visibility,
visibility yes.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
And I was, you know, I was in these in
these Playboy Mansion parties. I was, you know, the in
Hollywood scenes, I was in Vegas, I was, I was
doing all that, man. And it takes its toll on
you because you got everyone telling you how great you
are and no one telling you how real you are,
you know, keeping you grounded, because even the team that's
supposed to keep you grounding, they're, you know, writing your

(31:59):
coattails and the gravy train with you. They're they're experiencing
that life as well. So they're not gonna tell you, hey, man,
let's go to that Playboy mentioned party, but you gotta
wake up in the morning and train. It's not like that, man.
So Ryan Garcia has the wrong people in his corner,
even his father.

Speaker 6 (32:12):
Man.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
I mean, I hate to say it, but his father
seems like a cheerleader as well. So I just think
he really needs an honest voice. And it's not gonna
be his family. Who is it gonna be a therapist,
a medical doctor.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
He has to get the respect.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Out of somebody that's been through there, been there, done that,
and tell him. Tell him, look, man, you're gonna lose
it all. You will lose it all, not only because
you know you'll lose it inside the ring, you'll lose
it outside of the.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
Ring in legal, you know, in the legal, hiring lawyers
and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Gambling, you know, you see him on his Instagram gambling
twenty thousand and a hand.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
That is ridiculous. Who are you to be doing that?
It's gonna go fast.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
You will to do two thousands the tax man, I.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
Lost a thousand yesterday. Did you know there's a casino here.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yes, it's called the Sheridan Casino.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
I lost.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
I'm down eight hundred man, so yes, but that's neither
here or there. I need to redulky and go back tonight.
But yeah, man, I've been there with Ryan Garcia on
a smaller scale. And but I had people like my brothers,
you know, I had people like my my, my coach
John to get in my here coach Dean, and you
know they they will have a little bit of fun
with me. But it's like, all right, man, you got

(33:21):
to get to work now. Hey, you're getting carried away now.
Hey man, you only got seven weeks to prepare. Hey,
you better be you know, you got to put some
some fear into him and and and and Ryan Garcia
talks about the fear of God, but then he lives
another lifestyle. So it's hypocritical and people don't like that.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
Man. His own fans.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
Are are are are are turning against him because if
you're gonna be holier, then now you're gonna act like it, man,
you're gonna act like it. So he has the world
and the palm of his hand, and it's slipping away
with the decisions he's making, and it will cost him
and not not maybe it will cost him, and it's
costing him already.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
I think he needs to step away from boxing for
a while, and he's probably going to be forced away
from boxing in the next couple of weeks and months.
I was in New York this past weekend for the
Top Rank show Xander Zias Shushu Carrington, and while I
was there, I was talking to some people that are

(34:19):
in and around the New York State Athletic Commission, and
there's a pretty strong consensus that at a bare minimum,
the result of the Haini fight is going to get
overturned to a no contest and Ryan Garcia will be
slapped with a six month suspension. That's the bare minimum.
I think there's a decent chance it could be longer

(34:41):
than a six month suspension. I don't think it's going
to be a disqualification, that's what a Han's team is
pushing for, but I think it will be overturned to
a no contest. Look, Sergio, we were around Ryan Garcia
in twenty twenty one when he had to step away
from the game because of mental health issues, Like we
didn't even see that it happened in real time. That

(35:02):
was stuff that was happening with Ryan Garcia privately. Right now,
he just seems like a guy that is completely unraveling.
And when you see him as active as he is
on social media, constantly pushing tweets out there, sometimes these
tweets make absolutely no sense. You just want you wonder

(35:24):
like where does this end? Like where does when does
the crash really come? And you're seeing some small crashes
right like you're seeing little things happen like this arrest,
Like does there have to be something bigger? And look,
I know I know that Ryan is going through some
other stuff in his personal life. His mom, Lisa, was

(35:44):
recently diagnosed with breast cancer. We obviously hope for the
best with her, but that that's got a weigh on
him as well. He's got some personal stuff as well
in his own life life with his ex wife. There's
just a lot going on with Ryan Garcia right now.
But before he even thinks about getting in the ring,
putting past, like when he's allowed to get back in
the ring before he thinks about getting back in the ring.

(36:06):
He's got to get his mind right. He has got
to get his focus back, or else this could end
with something a lot worse than an arrest.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
You know, Man, the Greeks you used to say, I
think it was Aristotle. I don't know if he was Greek,
but they used to say, if you want to punish him, man,
make his dreams come true.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
You know.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
So for Ryan Garcia, all his dreams came true. You know,
he fought the biggest fights. He made a boatload of money.
His face is plastered everywhere. Everyone knows his name. He's
super popular on social media. But it's a gift and
a curse, and it's turning against him now. So everything
that made him, you know, as popular and as rich

(36:49):
as he is now it's turning against him. So you
live by social media, you're gonna die by social media.
And this kid is not How can I say this
without being disrespectful. You could tell he's a smart kid,
he just doesn't articulate his intelligence. Well, you could tell
that he's gifted. You could tell that he's talented, but
he has he's emotionally immature. I think that's what's happening here,

(37:14):
and he needs to grow up and he needs a
solid figure that he respects and a voice that just
slaps some sense into him, because it's gonna end bad, man,
It's gonna end bad.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
It could end up in a way like the next
guy I want to talk about. That's Adrian Broner, who
we saw this past weekend on a low level Don
King's show in southern California going up against Blair Cobbs.
I don't want to disrespect the show was actually like
the show going into it. I mean Michael Hunter against
cash Is Chaney. I was at in that big win

(37:48):
by Michael Hunter, right yeah, and then you have Blair
Cobbs against Adrian bron Or. Adrian Broner gets knocked down
in the second round, lose a tooth when he gets
knocked down, which I haven't seen too often before, and
loses once again. You know, it was kind of a
typical Adrian Broner fight where he didn't let his hands

(38:10):
go and that ultimately cost him. Like all of his
losses over the last few years and even some of
his wins have been as a result of him not
being willing to let his hands go sir, do I
watch that fight and look, he made the weight at
one forty seven. It didn't look like he was in
good shape. He didn't anything like the Adrian Broner we
saw fighting at what one thirty, one thirty five, one
forty and even when he won a belt at one

(38:32):
forty seven. I said a couple of weeks ago before
that fight that if Broner lost to Blair Cobbs, then
that would be the end for Adrian Broner. He's been
on social media saying it's not over, I'll be back.
But he's thirty four years old, Sergio. And if you
can't beat Blair Cobbs at thirty four years old at welterweight,
I don't know who you're beating. And he's never shown

(38:55):
the kind of discipline you need to succeed at the
highest level. So a lot do you feel any any
any differently? Is this is this? And should this be
the end for Adrian Broner?

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Uh, it's not gonna be the end because he needs money,
so he's gonna be one of these uh, these tragic
you know, boxing figures that made a lot of money,
and Adrian Broner did make a lot of money without him,
and and and you know in fights where he got
overpaid and he got accustomed to that money. He thought
he was always gonna be rolling in and then you know,
his his his his baby, mama's came asking for money,

(39:29):
child support, legal issues, alcohol and drugs, and and and
spending money and and buying everything. Think it's never gonna
run out, And he ran out. So he's gonna be
fighting again, You'll see. And the thing about Adrian Broner
is that he's not getting knocked out. Chris Man, He's
never been knocked out. He's got a so and he's
always in a fight. So no matter if he's fighting
Bakyaw or Mikey Garcia or Madonna, the guy could take

(39:51):
a while up, he could take a punch, He's gonna
keep coming.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
So watching Blair Cobs put him down like that in
the second.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Round was because he's already thirty four and it passed
his good good days. But he still has the name,
he still talks a lot of shit. He can still
market himself. But he's gonna he's gonna keep fighting because
he needs money. It ain't gonna be a big name,
it's gonna be another small show.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
Probably on Don King.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
You know, Don King will give him another slot and
he'll probably be against another Blair Cops type opponent, maybe
an Alexis Roacher or something like that.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
You know somewhere, someone.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
That's probably gonna beat him again. Adrian Berner, it's sad
man what happened to him? Because you know he had
all the talent, but he's lazy.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
So what's drilled down on that? Adrian Broner is a
four division world champion. You can never take that away
from him. That is on his resume forever. But if
you examine his resume, it's not as impressive as it
ultimately looks. You look at some of the wins he
had in world title fights. Twenty eleven, he beats Vicente Rodriguez,

(40:49):
that was a very average fighter. Twenty twelve, he beats
Antonio DeMarco. That was a good win, one hundred and
thirty five pounds. That might be the best win of
Adrian Broner's career. Twenty thirteen, he goes up to one
forty seven fights. Pauli Malanaji gets a split decision win there.
Polly towards the end at that point of his career
not really a welterweight either, but you give him credit

(41:11):
for winning that fight. And then twenty fifteen he gets
a piece of the one hundred and forty pound crown,
a vacant belt when he beats Kabib Akaverdev in a
fight in Cincinnati, Ohio's hometown. So he's got the four titles.
And he beat Ashley Theofan as well after that. So

(41:32):
he's got four division titles, but none of them came
against Marquis guys, and really only one was super impressive,
that was the DeMarco win. So you talk about his
skill set like, was he ever really good or was
he the most carefully and well matched fighter of the
algame and era?

Speaker 4 (41:51):
No, Adrian Broner was damn good. He was damn good.
He just wasn't great. He came short against great fighters.
He was exciting, he talked a smack, he had a
good backing. I mean, look, even in his last fight,
Rick Ross Is, you know, walking him out to the ring.
So he's still popular even at this stage of his career.
You know, so he's a bad guy. People are gonna

(42:12):
pay for the bad guy, you know that, and the
bad guys always gonna come up short. But people are
gonna want to pay to see that. Adrian Broner has
never stylistically as a boxer. Watching him, he's just lazy man.
He just doesn't move his feet. He thinks he can
avoid every shot with his upper body doing that shoulder roll,
and he doesn't punch enough. So that's why he gets

(42:32):
outworked by all these fighters, even fighters like Malonaje. We
talked about Malonaji. Malonaji is tough as nails. He could
take a big punch. He's been in there with some
great fighters, and malon Naji was giving him issues.

Speaker 5 (42:44):
You know.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
So Adrian Broner on the elite level wasn't great, nowhere
near it, but on a smaller scale against so smaller champions,
and he's a champion. I mean, he's always gonna be
down in history as a champion. And is he the
worst four division champion in boxing? Probably, but he's still
a four division champion, right, so you still got to
put some some kind of respect on those accolades. But yeah,

(43:07):
if you dissect it, it's disappointing. Adrian Broner could have
been a lot more, a lot more if he was
just have more discipline and.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
More hunger well, discipline's the keyword, right, Like he was
never a disciplined guy outside the ring. He didn't take
his craft as seriously as he should and ultimately cost him.
You mentioned some of those step up fights, Like when
he fought in these step up fights, more often than not,
he lost pretty wide. I mean, he got beat badly
by Marcos Madonna, he got beat clean by Sean Porter,

(43:36):
he got beat pretty wide by Mikey Garcia. Manny Pacquiao
beat him pretty wide. Now after the fact, just like
he did with Blair Cobbs, Berner was like, I did
lose that fight. No way, I lost that fight. But
it's pretty clear to everybody that he did. He lost
all those fights, and it was largely due to a
lack of punch out butts. He's winless in four of
his last six fights. If you could point to the

(43:57):
same exact thing, every single time he does let his
hands go. Maybe that's because he doesn't want to get
hit anymore. Maybe he never did. But you know, when
you're not willing to throw punches at an elite level,
you're not gonna beat any of these top tier guys.
So I look, I think there was talent there, No
doubt about it, but I do think the matchmaking for

(44:18):
him was brilliant. He was put in with the exact
right type of guys that he could beat, and every
time he stepped up, it generally speaking, didn't go his way.
All right, last thing for you, we are in Puerto
Rico and we've got a big show this weekend. I
saw you, Sergio Mora on Twitter, just burping out another
terrible take. You said Boxing's five boogeymen in a way

(44:41):
agreed better beev sure, Benavitez just trashed him, but okay,
Jana Beek not so much. And super Il Mattias as
one of Boxing's by boogeyman. You had eighty replies to that,
most of them telling you you're an idiot and that
you should put other people in that list. Why do
you put super al Matias on your list of boogeymen?

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Because Mattias is knocking out everyone they put it from
in front of him. He's one of the handful of
guys that has one hundred percent knockout ratio, all right,
So that's scary power, all right, when you're knocking out
everybody that's one two.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
He's a world champion now.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
He's he's he's NonStop aggression. He's always looking to beat
you down. And the main thing why I say the
word boogeyman is because his last five opponents there were winners.
They were undefeated guys, you know, so there were guys
that are want to Yeah, so there were winners, and
he beat them down. He made them I don't want

(45:38):
to say quit, submit. He made them submit either the
corner stopped it, the referee stopped it, the doctor stopped it,
or the look in his eyes were pleading for someone
to stop it. This dude's a monster, all right. Subrel
Matthias is a fucking monster. He belongs in the boogeyman list.
Now I'm not talking about greatness and pound four pound
level championship like like Terrence Cross, you know a boogeyman type. No,

(46:01):
Crawford is pound for pound number one. He's no boogeyman
because everyone wants that paycheck. Cannelo is you know a paycheck.
All these guys are names. I'm talking about the lack
of name, the lack of marketability and popularity and all
the power and dangerous skill they bring to the table.
That's a boogeyman. Where it's a lot more risk than reward,
and no one wants to mention your name. And even

(46:22):
though you're a champion. That's why I put Janabik there.
He's a unified champion. Yet fighters who are looking to
become champion don't mention his name. That's a boogeyman. But
Matias is gonna be on the same page, watch and
learn if he gets past Paro, which is gonna be
a tough fight, by the way, But if he does
get past Paro, Mattias and a loaded division with a
lot of loaded names, people are gonna not mention his

(46:43):
name for good reason. Boogieyman and uh Benevite is Mexican monster.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
Mike Tyson named them that. You're telling me that Mike
Tyson wasn't Boogeyman in his day.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Absolutely Boogeyman recognized Boogeyman, all right.

Speaker 5 (46:56):
So I don't know what it is.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
Anytime you put a list out there, and you know
that's more than anybody, people are gonna shit on it
because they have their don't take that's my list and
I'm sticking to.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
It, Okay, But you look at your list of the
five Boogieman In a way, undefeated better bev undefeated, Benevetez undefeated,
janebec undefeated. Mattias not a defeated. He was out boxed
and knocked down. I know you've watched that fight. At
this point, you've been doing your prep for the show.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
When Petrosananian is out boxing you and putting you down,
doesn't that take some of the shine off you?

Speaker 5 (47:30):
He never went down. The Ropes album up one and.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Two, which is the same. It's a knockdown.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
He didn't go down.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
It's a countdown. Well incorrect the words Chris Mann stop,
it's a knight. It's considered a knocked down. He didn't
go down.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Think so Ticeon Fury didn't go down either, Apples and Orange.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
This guy, he never went down, just like Jakelmatta never
put me down.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
Ray.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
Yeah. So these are these are.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Names I'm sticking sticking by because their champions are doing
on the championship level. Man, And and if people aren't
gonna mention your name, they want that title shot.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
What the hell? What? What what are we doing here?
What are we doing here? Not fighting for a championship?
And it's there for you.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Jenna Beck is calling all these fighters and no one's
looking this way, Mattias is gonna be in the same boat.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Uh okay, But talk to me about talk to me
about the Ananion fight then, because that stands out. Look,
he avenged that loss then was back.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
He avenged it. He made him quit, he made him,
he made him resign.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
But did that fight expose anything in Matias to you?

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Well, I can't wait to talk in the fighter meetings.
But I was going through some old interviews on Matias
and he was saying he was on vacation when he
got that call, smoking weed.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
Okay, so he was.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
He was living anyway, so he was enjoying his life
outside of boxing when he got the call, and then
he had a five or six week camp.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
So yeah, everybody always say that though, like every time
somebody loses, and how many fighter means have you've been
in with guys where it's like, what happened in that
last fight? All I got out three weeks? Notice I
was out of shap blah blah blah. Like I hear
that all the time, and I almost never believe it. It
neither to you. By the way, I don't think you
really talking about.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
I've been part of it. Yes, of course, I believe.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
It, but he's as a viable excuse. I bet he's
won some fights where if he would have came.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
Back, if he would have came back and struggled in
the rematch, and Utter said, but he did not because
he took it serious, and he took this guy serious.

Speaker 5 (49:11):
So no, I believe everything he says.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
And I can't wait to watch this guy fight in
person because every time I do watch his fights and commentaries,
like hear his shots. I love hearing that when a
boxer normally it's a it's it's a champion. Andalys saying
you could hear the thud and his punches. That's a
scary part. You know, the punches all sound different. No
heaviness sounds like a thud. Man, it hits you anywhere.
And that's what I can't wait to hear and see

(49:35):
from this killer in Matias man and and and look,
Paulo is not gonna stand in front of him, so
Matia's gonna have to show.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
More than in front of him.

Speaker 5 (49:43):
He's not. He's not. Paul's gonna give him a difficult fight.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
That's this is gonna be a difficult fight, and it
might be a close fight until it's not because I
I just think if if Paul comes to win, which
he is, he's probably gonna get stopped late. But I
won't be surprised if Parlo takes some early rounds and
make it really difficult for Matias to have to come
back from behind to do something special.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
The Ergashev fight was really impressive because Ergushev came into
that fight undefeated, and I know I still have the
text messages. You thought Ergyshev was gonna win after the
first round. You thought Ergasrhev was gonna rock and roll
right through super heal Matias. But one thing, like Mattias,
it was almost a Mohammed Ali type ropodope right like
he was just letting Ergashev unload everything he had over

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the first two rounds, and then he picked up the
pace and beat him down. Look. I don't like to
use the word quit either often with fighters, but you
could see the look of nomas on the face of
Ergashev in the corner after what that fifth or sixth
round when he finally said no, That was him basically
saying I don't want to do this anymore. This guy's
too strong, too tough, hits too hard. I threw everything

(50:46):
at him and I couldn't knock him out. And that
was an undefeated, heavy handed one hundred and forty pounder.
Parter was gonna have some kind of game bet, have
some kind of good tactical game plan here, because you're
not gonna be able to hurt Matias. I'm gonna be
able to knock out Matias. You better have a game
plan to win, you know, win seven of the twelve
rounds on the scorecards, because otherwise it could be a

(51:09):
short night for you.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
No, he's gonna have to he's gonna have to move. Man,
if he stands in front of him, it's gonna be
He's gonna be bad news. Because Matias doesn't have to
hit you solid, like he proved in his last couple
of fights. You know, he can glaze you, glance you
with the shot and you're gonna get rock You're gonna
get hurt, and it keeps you hurt because he has
you know, he throws eighty punches around and those are
power punches. That's a boogeyman if I had never seen
one man, I mean, and he has that tall, lanky

(51:33):
body power, you know, kind of like you know, uh,
you know, like I'm not gonna say Thomas Hearns, but
like a Kelly Pavlick, you know, tall, long arms, lanky, skinny,
but he has that power. You know, it's a scary power.
I Felix Trinidad is fellow Puerto Rican, you know, a skinny,
skinny fighter. You know, he didn't look intimidating, he didn't
look too muscular. He was knocking everyone's lights out. So yeah,

(51:55):
mixed between Trinidad and pablic is what I see when
when I see uh Matias. But it's high praise. Still
needs to do it against the big names. But for
right now, twenty and oh twenty knockouts and he overcame
his first defeat by knockout.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
Hey, he's a good.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
This is an IBF title fights, which means there's a
second day weigh in for both Mattias and Power or
the IBF right now the only sanctioning body that does
second day weig This has been a source of controversy
Sergio for weeks and months now is we talk more
and more about weight and rehydration as a fighter, How

(52:30):
do you feel about the second day weigh in?

Speaker 5 (52:32):
I don't like it.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
I fought for the IBF title when I thought Daniel
Jacobs and I hated it.

Speaker 5 (52:37):
You always have it in the back of your mind.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
You can't just eat and drink and be at peace
after weighing because you're thinking about, Okay, I had two
glasses of gettorad. Now you gotta go to the scale.
I'm gonna go eat my meal. You gotta go to
the scale. I gotta go walk off my food. Go
to the scale. It's a pain in the ass because
you're gonna go over ten pounds. Every fighter in this
IBF weigh in the rehydration, they go over the pounds.

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Now they just have to taper themselves before they go
to sleep. So if they're like eleven pounds over good,
eleven and a half good, maybe even twelve, you're good
because that's gonna be waterweight. You already made the weight.
So those two pounds are gonna be hard to come off.
But it's still a pain in the ass. They have
to get up and be worried about the damn weight.

Speaker 5 (53:18):
You already made weight. It shouldn't be. It's a terrible,
terrible thing. Some people like it.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
I personally, isn't the counterpoint to that like, if you
rehydrate more than ten pounds and twenty four hours, you
shouldn't be fighting it that weight anyway.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
Nonsense.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
My skinny ass always rehydrated to eleven to twelve pounds
when I was in my greatest shape, So no, that's nonsense, man.
And what was I put in the weight? You can
even tell when I gained the weight or rehydrated up.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
In no world is it healthy to gain more than
ten pounds in a day. Like.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
That's not a hit water weight, man, it's waterweight. You
don't understand when you when you're cutting weight, it's all liquid.
It's not food.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
We've got burger king weight.

Speaker 5 (53:59):
That's that's different. But see liquid weight.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
Man, you can lose four pounds in one hour when
you're when you're hydrated. When you're dehydrated and cutting weight
and you're you're doing it the wrong way, you can't
even lose one pound. But when you're when you're full
of when you're full of energy and water and you're
in good shape. Believe me, man, three pounds is nothing
to lose.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
It it's pretty easy.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
You can ask any boxers so that that ten pound
weigh and I hate it because it just doesn't let
you focus on the task in hand.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
Which is the fight that you're going to have.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
You're still thinking about that damn weight the scale the
following day, so you're worried about the scale, and you're
worried about your opponent, and you're worried about losing a
chance to win a belt. It's too much, too much
stress going into a fight.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
All right.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Last thing for you. I made appearance this week on
Bill Simmons podcast and he had some words for you
on this show. I want you to take a listen.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
What do you want to plug boy podcasts?

Speaker 1 (54:55):
It's illustrated What's illustrated Boxing with Chris Mannix where this
kind of conversation Bill, you get every single week on
the pod with me and Sergio Mora.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Mostly to Sergio could sell your jokes like twenty percent better.
I'm leaving this in the pod. Hey, Sergio, Sergio be
a better teammate sometimes I don't know. Somebody's got to
say it right, Come on, Sergio. It's a give and
take business, all right. Chris Mag's good to see you.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
So we've got a show on Saturday. Sergio, are you
going to lighten up and roll with the jokes a
little more.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
I roll with punches. I don't roll with jokes. Chris Mannix,
you come at me, I'm coming at you twice as hard.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Go back to the beach and when we come back.
My conversation with David Benavitez. All right, David Benavidez, two
time super middleweight champion. On Saturday, he will move up
to light heavyweight take on oligend to Vaste because he

(55:59):
campaigns for new belts in a new weight class. So, David,
is it is it kind of bittersweet to be moving
up to one seventy five and you accomplished a lot
at one sixty eight two times, you know, champion, nobody
took the belts off you. But you know you're moving
up to one seventy five without getting that one big
fight you were looking for.

Speaker 7 (56:18):
Yes, I guess you could say that. Like I said,
I'm not gonna wait for anybody to make any fight happen.
I've been waiting long enough. It's been three years, and
this has been a fight that everybody's want been, the
whole world of boxing wants to see. So since we
couldn't make that happen, we're doing the next best team
going up to one seventy five and campaigning there.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
So you're a big guy anyway. But has it been
nice this week not having to worry about those extra
seven pounds? No?

Speaker 6 (56:43):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 7 (56:44):
This has probably been the most favorite thing about my
about my camp so far, that I'm going to lose
the extra seven pounds and I feel great, man, I
feel strong, fast, and ready to rock and roll this Saturday.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
So take me through kind of this decision to move
up to one seventy five at Deface Bostic beat Android.
Last year, you had a Fighter of the Year, had
a campaign with two big wins in your weight class.
What got you to this point that you made the
decision to move up.

Speaker 7 (57:11):
Just basically frustration, just you know, a fight that I
was promised that was going to happen that never happened,
you know, just me. And it's not like me asking
for something to night and earn. I rightfully earned it,
you know. I fought for the interim title, fought two
great fighters at one sixty eight, and it was just
it just looked like it, you know, the fight wasn't
gonna happen, and it showed a Canelo show that there
was no interest for him making a fight. So, like

(57:33):
I said, I don't want to worry about one fighter
too much, So I went to go and make my
own lane. And that one seventy five, I feel great,
I feel strong, and I definitely do feel like I
could take over the whole weight class.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
That win over Android was definitive. That was an undefeated
former title holder at one sixty and you beat him comprehensively.
Did you believe after that kind of win that you
were going to get that Canelo fight?

Speaker 7 (57:56):
I felt like it was gonna happen because you know,
you got two great performances back to back. Why wouldn't
it happen, and especially if people want to see it,
you know, I thought it was gonna happen. But like
I said, Cornelo has his own agendas. He wants to
do his own things and you know, get suffice that
he wants to get. So I'm not gonna be waiting
for another fighter. And like I said, now we're here
find out one seventy five, and this is gonna put

(58:17):
me in the spot to fight, you know, for the
world titles.

Speaker 6 (58:19):
That won seventy five, all of them.

Speaker 7 (58:21):
So I'm I me know, I really don't feel like
I lose anything, I feel like, you know, I even
I gain more experiences coming up to one seventy five.
This is a weight class I've been wanting to fight
out for a long long time, and I feel like
this is going to be the best half of my
career at this weight class.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
We just saw the IBF order Canelo to face William Skull,
who no boxing fan could pick out of a lineup.
You're a two time WBC one hundred and sixty eight
pound title holder. Is there any frustration on your part
that the WBC didn't do what the IBF did and
order you as is mandatory.

Speaker 7 (58:57):
Yeah, definitely, because they should have been in the would
have been ordered to have mandate it. I see a
lot of people saying that why didn't I activate my
my I forgot what that phrase is called.

Speaker 6 (59:09):
Why didn't I activate my number one contender spot? You know?
But I didn't think like I had to do that.
I had. I didn't feel like I had to do
a press conference to say.

Speaker 7 (59:16):
You know what, I'm gonna activate my number one spot
and now it's gonna be time for me to fight
for the title. I thought, once you win the title
eliminator and the WBC in from title.

Speaker 6 (59:25):
I think they just I thought they just gave it
to you automatically.

Speaker 7 (59:27):
But since this is not happening with the WBC, you know,
at least the IVF is doing something right.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
I don't think there's a button you push that activates
your your number one contender status. Did I'm just curious.
Did you ever get an explanation? I mean, you are
a Mexican American fighter. At Canelo Benavidez fight is one
of the biggest fights that can be made in boxing.
The WBC could have played a role in that. Did
you ever get an explanation, whether it's from Mauricio or
somebody else, about why they didn't push that button?

Speaker 7 (59:54):
To be honest with you, I didn't. I never got
any explanation from nobody. And but like I said, I'm
not gonna you know, I'm not gonna right about anything
now this time. I'm at one seventy five and I
feel it strong here. There's a lot of great fights
to be made here. We're just ready to keep it going.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Yeah, and to your credit, David, you never do cry
or wait around. I mean, you beat Caleb Plant last year.
I think you'd take on Demetrius Andrea, a guy that
nobody wanted to face. So you you talk to talk
about keeping it moving, and then you you walk the walk.
But as we're as we're kind of here now, as
you're out of one hundred and sixty eight pound weight class,
is it a surprise to you that we have not

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gotten that fight two years ago when you were kind
of banging on the doorstep, did you believe then that
eventually it would have happened.

Speaker 7 (01:00:36):
Yeah, I definitely thought it was going to happen at
some point, and I still believe it may It may
still happen at some point. I just feel like it's
too big of a table, too big of a fight
to leave on the table like that. And like I said,
I just feel like Canelos getting the easier fights. He's
picking off the easier fights one by one and then
he's waiting for the big fight. As when this fight
is going to happen.

Speaker 6 (01:00:55):
I don't know when is going to happen, But I
definitely do believe in my heart is going to happen
one hundred percent. I just don't know when.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Now, do you believe as I do that when Canelo's
out there saying I want one hundred million, one hundred
and fifty million, two hundred million. He's talking to one guy, David.
He's talking to one guy, and that's the guy over
there running boxing in Saudi Arabia, Turkey ala Chik. Do
you do you believe that? Do you believe he's sending
a message that if a boxing powerbroker like Turkey ala

(01:01:21):
Chik wants to see that fight, he's got to come
to the table with a pile of money.

Speaker 7 (01:01:25):
I definitely do feel like that's what he's doing, is
throwing his price out there. But also, like another thing
that people don't talk about, you know, Canelos actually thank
me because I don't see him asking those numbers for
anybody else around. I'm not seeing him asking that for
Terrence Crawford, Dmitri Beebl, Edgar Berlanga, anybody, you know, if
anybody his last fight, well, he made thirty million, and
I'm not saying nothing about that. That's a lot of money.

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But he's not asking hundred and fifty two hundred million
like he is for me. So as for him saying
that I bring nothing to the table, that's a whole lie.

Speaker 6 (01:01:54):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:01:54):
That's why he's asking those big numbers for me because
he knows this is a big fight.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
No, no question, you bring the most to the table
of anybody at one sixty eight, even at one seventy five.
I mean we've seen Canelo versus Beebel. Your numbers would
be a lot better, Uh, at one seventy five or
one sixty eight. Talk to me about one seventy five though,
I mean, I know you've only it's a training camp,
but do you feel any different at this weight you know,
not having to go through what you have to go
through to make one sixty eight.

Speaker 7 (01:02:17):
Yeah, to be honest with you, surprisingly, I feel faster
at this weight class. I think this is just a
more natural weight class. I should have been at this
whole time. You know, I spent ten years at one
sixty eight. I won three titles. Are you know I
did everything else was supposed to do. You know, we're
waiting for that big fight. But now I feel like, really,
I feel like I get more out of my workouts.

Speaker 6 (01:02:36):
I feel stronger.

Speaker 7 (01:02:36):
I pushed through the whole workout, and I just feel
really good man, And I'm just very excited to perform
for all my fans.

Speaker 6 (01:02:42):
June fifteenth, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
It's almost been shocking over the years, you and Zerda Ramirez.
I never understood ho you squeeze down to one sixty
eight all those years. Man, you're big guys and you
made it. To your credit, you made that weight. It's impressive,
but I couldn't believe that you're able to do it
so Vastik, you know, experienced guy, former world champion. Was
this the kind of test you were looking for in
your first fight to kind of see what you're made

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of at this weight class?

Speaker 7 (01:03:06):
Yeah, To be honest with you, I'm just looking for
the best fights. It doesn't matter. It does I'm not
coming into this weight class scene. Oh ye, I'm gonna
just test the waters first. I just told them to
give me the best fight you could possibly make happen,
and I just want to I just want to keep
the rhythm going, you know, from the last coming up
from one sixty eight, having two great fights, and now
coming up to one seventy five. I just want to
fight the best in the world, and I'm definitely gonna
show everybody that I am the best in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
You're a main eventer, you're a headliner. What was your
reaction when they said we can do this fight, but
it as the co main event on Tank Davis Frank Martin.

Speaker 7 (01:03:37):
I had no problem with it. I was actually hoping
something like this would happen. It was my I had
a thought that it would. You know, it would be
a cool thing if it happened a couple of years ago,
but because we both became main event fighters, you know,
I didn't think it was ever gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (01:03:51):
So when they get it gave me the call.

Speaker 7 (01:03:52):
I think in February about this fight, I'm like, oh man,
this is gonna be This is gonna be a treat
for the fans.

Speaker 6 (01:03:58):
So that's that's where I'm at this point. I don't
really care about being the cole Man event.

Speaker 7 (01:04:01):
I know him a main even fighter, but you know,
sometimes you have to make that sacrifice for the fans,
and the fans are really going to be the ones
who're gonna win. This is probably gonna be the biggest
event PBC this whole year, so I'm very excited to
be a part of this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
You know, I was in Saudi Arabia a couple of
weeks ago now and Turkey Alaschick announced the better be
a Bevil fight for October, and look, I think a
lot of us, probably you hope that happens too. It's
a great fight. We want to see an undispeeded champion
at one seventy five, but we don't know about Better Beef.
Like Better Bv's health is a big mystery if he
can't go in October, Are you, David Benavidez ready to

(01:04:35):
step in and fight Dmitri Bevio one hundred percent.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
I'll definitely be ready to fight to meet with Bebo
by October.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
What did you think of Beebo's performance last time out?

Speaker 6 (01:04:44):
I thought it was a good performance.

Speaker 7 (01:04:45):
I feel like he was getting caught in the first
couple of rounds and he was getting that jab kept
landing on him all night until you know, Biebo ended
up finding you know, his rhythm. But Biebo is a
great fighter, you know, I have nothing bad to say
about him. Is a great fighter, and as you can see,
you know, once he turns it up, he doesn't he
doesn't stop until you're finished. And it definitely would be
a great fight, especially since I know him personally. We

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had a lot of great sparing wars together, so it
definitely would be a hell of a fight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Do you think he's changed it all as a fighter
of the last couple of years. We know the knockouts
haven't come for him quite as frequently. But do you
see a different fighter than maybe the one you sparred
with years ago?

Speaker 6 (01:05:19):
To be honest to you, I see him slowing down
a little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:05:21):
But when once these types of fights get ready or
get made happen, I gotta always think that the best
Dmitri b wall is gonna come out, even with all
his under buzznik, I'm preparing for the best, all this
under busnick there is, And that's just the way I
prepare for the fights. I feel like me just you know,
thinking in that terms. That's how I prepare for the best,
the best of the best, and that's how I come
one hundred percent prepared.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
I like how you keep it moving, David. You don't
wait around for anybody. Gets back on track. On the
fifteenth of June, Amazon Prime pay per View, David Benavidez
Auxitivevostak terrific card from Las Vegas. They have a good
catch up man, look forward to watching you on Saturday.

Speaker 6 (01:05:57):
Yes, sir, take care of brother.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
That's it for this week's episode. My thanks to Sergio
Mora and David Benavidez for joining the show. As always, subscribe, rate,
review this podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you download podcasts.
And if you are looking for Sergio Mora, I think
you can find him just outside at the beach.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
Chris maddox is Thomas in San Juan, Puerto Rico. You
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